THE BORE
General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: Van Cruncheon on September 14, 2006, 12:52:02 AM
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AHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUAHUA :lol
WHERE IS YOUR WAGGLEGOD NOW
BUT BUT BUT BUT BUT DRINKY WE GET A COLLECTION OF SUB-PS2 TECH DEMOS PACKED IN
COME ON, INACCURATE AND COUNTERINTUITIVE WAGGLE CONTROLS
BUH BUH BUH RSS FEEDS
HUR HUH BUT THE WHOLE FAMILY WILL WANT TO PLAY EVEN THOUGH REAL GAMERS GET SHAFTED
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What a fucking joke. :lol
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:lol
I will buy it and love it dammit :'(
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what a strange feeling: to gloat while posting from a MAC
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Fuck you there's a thread!
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since it has Wii Sports I would think two controllers is a given, how esle would you play Wii Tennis?
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By forking out another $50 at launch for a second controller as we have at every previous launch since the SNES?
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Fuck Nintendo.
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Man, Nintendo had this holiday season on a golden platter. They have to be making near 100 bucks of pure profit at 250 bucks. I'm not paying premium price for thier lackluster hardware.
I'm PRAYING that MS drops the 360 Core to 250, just so Nintendo gets owned.
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I'll buy one off the clearance table at Best Buy in a couple of years. At least (at LEAST) $50 too expensive, no third-party online until 2007, no mandatory widescreen = eat a plate of dicks nintendo.
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The funny thing is, it will still sale, just like the DS stuck its cock down your mouth after flaming it too Drinky.
I'm not getting it at launch though, its too much. GC Zelda, and other GC games I haven't played like RE4 is what I'll be playing when Zelda comes out.
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If a "victory" to you means archaic hardware and a library not suitable for gamers, by all means, continue to champion Nintendo!
Me, I'll continue to support companies that take a loss on hardware to give me the cutting-edge technology that supports real innovation and games that are targeted at real gamers instead of my grandma.
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I will buy for smash brothers! I'm compelled, especially if it's online.
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http://wii.com/
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If a "victory" to you means archaic hardware and a library not suitable for gamers, by all means, continue to champion Nintendo!
Me, I'll continue to support companies that take a loss on hardware to give me the cutting-edge technology that supports real innovation and games that are targeted at real gamers instead of my grandma.
Shit we already have archaic game design nowdays, there isnt shit for 360, there isnt shit for PS3, may as well throw in archaic hardware. Innovation my ass, Sony and MSoft have about as much innovation as the guys on late night TV selling things that promise to cut your gas consumption by adding 20 miles per gallon with a can sticking out of your gas tank.
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http://wii.com/
Upon arrival I'm treated with a page of disgrace...coming soon.
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Upon arrival I'm treated with a page of disgrace...coming soon.
I know.
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AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The thing is, I don't care about the lack of HD. I don't care that it's not as powerful as the 360 or PS3. But Call of Duty 3, Far Cry, Blazing Angels - without online they're just so much Gamecube deja vu. No mandatory widescreen support for games is completely short-sighted, much moreso than the lack of HD. See, we HDTV owners can live without true HD (I'm fine with my DVDs), but we like our media to use the entire area of our screen real estate. And $250 sounds like a price structure that was implemented about 30 seconds after Sony announced their own pricing structure. $60 component cables is just BOGGLE greed. $50 third-party portovers, same.
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64 MB RAM :(
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How fucking useless is surfing the web and viewing photos on an SD TV, too?
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especially given that any household with a Wii will also have an internet PC with at LEAST 1024x768 resolution.
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No shit, just crazy. It's like Nintendo's run by the residents of an old folk's home. "The kids, they love that World Wide Internet I keep hearing about! I'll bet they'd love to get on the AOL right there on their TVs! And picture shows, right up there with it! Imagine, pictures that YOU take, right there on your TV like on that Star Trek! And when we come out with the Wii2 with that MPTHREE support, we got us a hit, by cracky!"
It's not a COMPLETE ripoff if it comes with two nintendildos and a game, but fuck Wii sports.
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especially given that any household with a Wii will also have an internet PC with at LEAST 1024x768 resolution.
Why the fuck would you even have the internet in a house without a PC? Web browsing on a console is a dumb idea. Sega proved this back on the Creamblast.
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One of the Wii sports games is fucking bowling. BOWLING. If there's a bunch of people at your house, why not just get hammered and go bowling for real?
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Ask those who play the SIMS. If I want to play a game based on life I'll just .. um .. live.
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The best part of The Sims was locking people in the bathroom until they died of toxic shock. Unfortunately, that was a "game" I could only play once in real life -- shame about my first wife, really.
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$300 for Zelda is a STEAL.
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$300 for Zelda is a STEAL.
Even if Wii was 99 dollars, I'd be getting Zelda for GC. I don't want to have to waggle to swing my sword.
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Zelda will never come out for GameCube. And the swing motion is not what you think it is. I actually wish it was less restricted than what you had at E3.
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I was going to buy the Wii no matter what the price. Too many games I must have. That 250 bucks puts me a little off budget considering that I'll be getting the PS3 at that time too.
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The best part of The Sims was locking people in the bathroom until they died of toxic shock. Unfortunately, that was a "game" I could only play once in real life -- shame about my first wife, really.
you're weird.
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Japan price and date announced - 25000 yen and December 2nd. 25000 yen in US currency is $212.50. The NYT and Seattle stories have been pulled BTW, either because incorrect info or it wasn't supposed to come out this early, which is more likely. But Japan's price being so much cheaper than $250 is weird.
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WTF? Nintendo is not going to launch before Black Friday? That's retail suicide.
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Zelda will never come out for GameCube. And the swing motion is not what you think it is. I actually wish it was less restricted than what you had at E3.
I don't think Nintendo can pull the US release of Zelda GC at this point without losing a ton of face. . .then again, they've already shown that they're willing to disappoint their fans tonight.
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Ask those who play the SIMS. If I want to play a game based on life I'll just .. um .. live.
Well, the case can be made for playing God in a game. But BOWLING?
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I'll eat my Wii (lolz) if it comes out for GameCube and Wii. The only way I see this happening is if the rumors of a December Japanese launch is true, and NOA releases Zelda on Cube for a November release and the Q1 on Wii as SPECIAL EDITION. If Wii is coming out in November, then Zelda will never see the light of day on the GameCube.
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I'll eat my Wii (lolz) if it comes out for GameCube and Wii. The only way I see this happening is if the rumors of a December Japanese launch is true, and NOA releases Zelda on Cube for a November release and the Q1 on Wii as SPECIAL EDITION. If Wii is coming out in November, then Zelda will never see the light of day on the GameCube.
Why would there have to be a delay? Zelda for GC has probably been complete for months. Maybe even Zelda Wii.
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The Seattle site and NYT site have pulled the stories about the price and release date. The Japan price is 25000 yen (which by Japan law INCLUDES tax), making it about $212 with tax. It could be nothing or the price could actually be around its Japanese price and be $199.
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No, it has nothing to do with a delay. If the Wii comes out November, which would be the same month they'd target for a AAA release like Zelda, they're not going to release two versions of it and Zelda GameCube will die a horrible, horrible death. However, the folks doin' the reporting in Seattle say the Wii has a street date of December 2nd in Japan and I highly doubt that'll it reach US shores before that. But if that is the case, then Zelda will probably be a Q1 release for Wii as SPECIAL EDITION. My two cents.
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The Seattle site and NYT site have pulled the stories about the price and release date. The Japan price is 25000 yen (which by Japan law INCLUDES tax), making it about $212 with tax. It could be nothing or the price could actually be around its Japanese price and be $199.
That would be much better. I'm still holding off until they get their online shit straight, but at least the launch folks wouldn't get completely hosed at $199.
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How would zelda die on gamecube when you can't probably get a wii?
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The US is getting Wii Sports packed in while JP is not. Matt Cassamassaturbator confirmed $250. Lolz.
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Oh well, whatever. I wasn't getting one at launch anyway. Zelda will kick ass on GC or Wii.
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No, it has nothing to do with a delay. If the Wii comes out November, which would be the same month they'd target for a AAA release like Zelda, they're not going to release two versions of it and Zelda GameCube will die a horrible, horrible death. However, the folks doin' the reporting in Seattle say the Wii has a street date of December 2nd in Japan and I highly doubt that'll it reach US shores before that. But if that is the case, then Zelda will probably be a Q1 release for Wii as SPECIAL EDITION. My two cents.
Why would Nintendo care if Zelda Wii's sales were cutting into Zelda GCs? They control manufacturing and distribution. . .Nintendo makes bank on Zelda either. They don't lose out if one launches first.
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Nintendo Co. Ltd. revealed that Wii's various controllers would be available to buy separately at launch. The Wii remote will cost 3800 yen or about $40; the nunchuck 1800 yen or about $20 and the classic controller 1800 yen or about $20.
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Maybe the controller is that fucking expensive.
Memory = $40
Controller plus nunchuk = $60
Wii sports = $40
250-140 = 110 hardware :D
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Why would Nintendo care if Zelda Wii's sales were cutting into Zelda GCs? They control manufacturing and distribution. . .Nintendo makes bank on Zelda either. They don't lose out if one launches first.
You're missing the point here.
Why sell two copies at the same time and saturate your fanbase, when the hardcore fan base and what's left of the GameCube user base will buy the GC release automatically and the Wii adopters and Nintendo faithful (yet again) purchase a SPECIAL EDITION just months later. Either you maximize the release to take advantage of both user bases or target the one that'll make you the most at the point of its release.
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Also Wii sports is not a pack in, in Japan and costs 4800 yen, which is like $60 here. Whoa.
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Gamecube controllers were 2800 yen in Japan, but went for $39.99 at retail in the States. :O
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I'm not going to argue about it, Will. The reason I think it will be released as a GC game is because Nntendo has had a hell of a lot of time to back out of it. They've backed out in every territory except the US. If they were going to shitcan the GC version, why didn't they do it when they did the other territories' GC versions?
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Um, you are mistaken. GC controllers were like $25.
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It had better come out, because despite it compromising all kinds of masculinity, I really wanna play Twilight Princess on my $60 used Gamecube. It won't be as good as Okami, of course, because Capcom ALWAYS makes better Zelda titles than Nintendo does, but it'll rock!
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It had better come out, because despite it compromising all kinds of masculinity, I really wanna play Twilight Princess on my $60 used Gamecube. It won't be as good as Okami, of course, because Capcom ALWAYS makes better Zelda titles than Nintendo does, but it'll rock!
I just don't want to have to waggle to swing my sword. The Wii version could look better than Gears of War, but if I have to waggle to play, count me out.
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GBC Zeldas weren't as good as ones by Nintendo, although good.
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IGN.Wii
Wii Price, Launch Date Revealed
The news we've all been waiting for.
by Kathleen Sanders and Matt Casamassina
September 13, 2006 - Nintendo fans finally have a price and release date for the company's new generation console, Wii. The Big N is set to officially announce that the system will hit retail in North and South America for $250 on November 19. The New York Times published with the story and seems, in fact, to have beaten Nintendo Co. Ltd with the news.
Nintendo's Wii console will come packaged with Wii Sports, a compilation sports game that best shows off the mechanics of the system's unique controller. Wii Sports features tennis, baseball, golf and previously unannounced bowling and boxing games.
Nintendo said it would provide Wii owners with more than 25 unique games this year.
Wii's much talked-about Virtual Console download service, which enables gamers to purchase classic games, will offer a library of some 30 titles when the system launches. Titles will include entries from the Mario, Zelda and Donkey Kong franchises, Nintendo said. Virtual Console games will cost between $5 and $10 each. Specifically, Nintendo Co. Ltd. announced that Virtual Console games would cost 500 yen ($5), 800 yen ($8) or 1,000 yen ($10); we're presuming these prices are for NES, SNES and N64 games respectively.
The Big N confirmed that it would charge $50 for its new Wii games, which is $10 cheaper than the cost of standard Xbox 360 titles.
Nintendo Co. Ltd. revealed that Wii's various controllers would be available to buy separately at launch. The Wii remote will cost 3800 yen or about $40; the nunchuck 1800 yen or about $20 and the classic controller 1800 yen or about $20.
In a surprise announcement, Nintendo said that it wanted to make Wii a living room centerpiece by shipping the system with features outside of the videogame realm. Wil will include a photo channel, enabling users to display their digital photos through the console. It will also boast regularly updated news and weather channels. In addition, the system will ship with the Opera Web browser, enabling users to connect online.
Sony recently announced that it would ready 400,000 PS3s in North America and another 100,000 in Japan for the system's launch. Nintendo said it plans to ship 4 million Wii units worldwide by the end of the year.
Nintendo will launch Wii in Japan on December 2 of this year for 25,000 yen, it revealed. North America will get the system first.
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They were quite a bit better! Better dungeons, better overworlds, more imaginative gadgets, vastly better boss fights --the Oracles are king! (Minish Cap needed two more dungeons.)
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I like 3D Zelda's better than 2D regardless. The Oracle games just blur together, I beat both, good games nothing spectacular though.
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Then you'll dig Okami -- which, ironically, is a game that WOULD actually play better with the waggle wand + nunchuk despite being BALLBURSTINGLY AWESOME on the PS2.
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I don't have a PS2, maybe I'll get a silver one this fall. I'dd like to play Guitar Hero.
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Man, Nintendo had this holiday season on a golden platter. They have to be making near 100 bucks of pure profit at 250 bucks. I'm not paying premium price for thier lackluster hardware.
I'm PRAYING that MS drops the 360 Core to 250, just so Nintendo gets owned.
PLEASE GOD happen. Just so these fucking Ntards can shut the hell up.
This is a terrible price, a terrible date, and a terrible launch list IF Zelda is really delayed. I'm shocked. 5 years later and the third party support still consists mainly of ports :lol
Outside of Zelda there is no reason to buy a Wii this year. Absolutely none.
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Man, Nintendo had this holiday season on a golden platter. They have to be making near 100 bucks of pure profit at 250 bucks. I'm not paying premium price for thier lackluster hardware.
I'm PRAYING that MS drops the 360 Core to 250, just so Nintendo gets owned.
PLEASE GOD happen. Just so these fucking Ntards can shut the hell up.
This is a terrible price, a terrible date, and a terrible launch list IF Zelda is really delayed. I'm shocked. 5 years later and the third party support still consists mainly of ports :lol
Outside of Zelda there is no reason to buy a Wii this year. Absolutely none.
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Zelda will never come out for GameCube. And the swing motion is not what you think it is. I actually wish it was less restricted than what you had at E3.
I don't think Nintendo can pull the US release of Zelda GC at this point without losing a ton of face. . .then again, they've already shown that they're willing to disappoint their fans tonight.
Their fans don't care. Case in point:
http://gamebunker.com/GameBunker/Forums/thread12084-0-asc-0.html
The Nintendo love pisses me off. No one thinks for themselves it seems
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Zelda will never come out for GameCube. And the swing motion is not what you think it is. I actually wish it was less restricted than what you had at E3.
I don't think Nintendo can pull the US release of Zelda GC at this point without losing a ton of face. . .then again, they've already shown that they're willing to disappoint their fans tonight.
Their fans don't care. Case in point:
http://gamebunker.com/GameBunker/Forums/thread12084-0-asc-0.html
The Nintendo love pisses me off. No one thinks for themselves it seems
Um I haven't seen one of the big three companies do anything to not screw over the consumer. Seems like there's a lot of 360 support now, but comeon .. its still $400 fucking dollars, and its library is still pretty damn anemic. Oh and if you say, 'well theres the core', yeah getting a $300 system with no memory card you can only get for $40 at about 1/20th the size of the packed in $100 HD with the $400 one is a joke. Don't forget, games are still 60 fucking dollars, throw in microtransactions, special editions, Live, and whatever else they decide to tack on, they are fucking anyone and everyone they can in true MSoft style.
Nintendo is selling a system for $250 with a pack in game and flash memory, but the system's capabilities are barely higher than a $100 Gamecube. Hell the Xbox is pretty much the same at this point as a Wii. The games at launch look generally unimpressive and the controls look less like an innovation (although some games do attempt to use it well) and more like a control OPTION. As in, instead of pressing A, move the controller right. That's not an innovation, thats just another stupid control mode. The system's hardware is very very poor compared to competition. I would understand if its lesser, but they just overclocked the GC plain and simple.
Sony? Is there really a need to start on them? The PSP is bombing, UMD's are too expensive, Sony won't drop the PSP price. Sony is selling a $600 console to put over its new format of media, and if you get the $500 version of the system, it can't even play its format in full glory! The games, also $60 like 360, look no better than 360 games right now - and Sony screwed people again with a bunch of CGI videos to put over the Cell. Meanwhile they rip off Nintendo's controller,well halfway because they couldn't even do THAT all the way and they put in a gimped motion censor without the abilities of the Wii's controls. Oh yeah, and this at the expense of rumble. Oh and don't forget, they still refuse to drop a 6 year old system, the PS2 to $100 when both of its competitors are dead in the water. Paying $130 for 6 year old technology, by far the weakest console now on the market is about as equal as paying $250 for the Wii. And the PS2's tech makes the Wii look like Deep Blue.
Anything else? Anywhere you go you get FUCKED, plain and simple. Don't play one company over the other like the company you choose is Mr. Generous and all for the consumer, because they aren't. Maybe not conspired but all three together have basically pulled an oligopoly over the industry effective pulling an OPEC. Nintendo didn't have to goto $200 because everyone else was high. MSoft sweated out the PS3 price ready to counter with a drop if Sony was low, which they weren't. Now everyone is gonna be a fat cat and not start a price war because they each want their profits.
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http://wii.com/jp/movies/miichannel/
OS in action.
Wii box:
(http://www.famitsu.com/blog/express/mobimg/photo-20060914-064302-0-728fcdf2ae8d8626676c8324bb2b0ec4.jpg)
Fire Emblem: Goddess Of Dawn:
(http://www.famitsu.com/blog/express/mobimg/photo-20060914-064834-0-c3cf43ee666e5189a571d42464f5dc22.jpg)
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the GUI is sexy as hell :'(
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Well they got the GUI right or actually crazy right. Not my concern though. Fix the price! Gimme info on Forever Blue.
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That shit fucking rules. Wii is the system I'm getting this year and I wouldn't have it any other way.
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In one of the GUI videos you can see R-Type as a selection. Looks like it will be a launch vc game.
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*bows to r-type*
fuck gradius.
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and guess what the return rate for faulty ones will be less than 5%!
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I called it hours before the price was revealed. I KNEW it would be $250.
Nintendo is positioned nicely from a competetive standpoint. They can still say they have the cheapest console. They will not take a big hit from a price drop because the console is overpriced to begin with. So if MS slashes core and premium prices by $50-100 (or just makes the premium $300) next year, Nintendo will have no problem reducing Wii's price to $200. In the meantime, Nintendo laughs all the way to the bank while MS and Sony are probably losing a considerable amount of money with every 360 and PS3 sold.
It sucks if you wanted a Wii, but Nintendo played it smart this time.
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I remember paying €217 for my launch Cube. And now Nintendo is offering me the same tech for a higher price.
Nintendo can shove the Wii deep into their anus.
For now. :'(
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Next-Generation = RAPE TIME
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Next-Generation = RAPE TIME
Pretty much.
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The Wii will be dead in 18 months anyway.
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$250 seems cheap next to the X360 and PS3. I think that is the only thing that will matter come Xmas.
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ITS MORE THAN A FEEEELING (MORE THAN A FEEEELING!!)
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Well, regardless if the tech is worth the value, 250 is still within the purchase range of most people.
A lot of you seem to forget that most people who buy game systems are not us. They dont follow magazines or websites, or know which chip manufacturer made what for which system.
Point being at 250 most walmart shoppers CAN afford it, and will buy it for reasons like the name of the company that produced it, and the fact that Nintendo games are safe and require very little parental effort to monitor what their kids play. Plus SOME parents might be under the wrong impression that the waggle wand will provide their kids with exercise.
In any case this doesnt affect Nintendo as much as it affects the fanboys who were hoping that Megaton would finally happen.
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Well, regardless if the tech is worth the value, 250 is still within the purchase range of most people.
A lot of you seem to forget that most people who buy game systems are not us. They dont follow magazines or websites, or know which chip manufacturer made what for which system.
Point being at 250 most walmart shoppers CAN afford it, and will buy it for reasons like the name of the company that produced it, and the fact that Nintendo games are safe and require very little parental effort to monitor what their kids play. Plus SOME parents might be under the wrong impression that the waggle wand will provide their kids with exercise.
In any case this doesnt affect Nintendo as much as it affects the fanboys who were hoping that Megaton would finally happen.
It didn't stop people from picking up GC's / Dreamcasts when they were cheaper...it's about Marketing/Hype. Nintendo's going to get a lot of "that's gay" from casual gamers this gen.
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Well if they are going to just now get "That's Gay" from casuals THIS gen, its long overdue, cause most of Nintendos console practices since N64 have been "Gay". I dont think that's stopped them from turning a profit the past decade.
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As you can see their home division though profit is turning less and less from the N64 though...
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After almost three generations of watching Nintendo do dumb moves, I am now convinced they cannot die.
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Yeah, Nintendo is pretty much a staple. They always figure out a way to stick around.
As for your comment about people not knowing or caring about the technology inside, you're absolutely right, but the proof of this will also be shown with the games. Which I predict will look almost a whole generation behind 360 and PS3. Nintendo will need to wow potential buyers with really hot exclusives and a killer lineup overall.
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Well the exclusives people care about on Nintendo platforms have almost always been Nintendo's games, so not too much to worry about there.
I mean you think of a Nintendo fan. Sure they get older, but they are FAITHFUL, and I honstly believe MS and Sony lose more fans to age than Nintendo does. While Sony and MS get more NEW fans, I think the door revolves a bit faster.
So while Nintendo gets fewer younger fans, it does keep more of its older fans who, as they get older, become even more fanatical and buy ANYTHING Nintendo with the 'deeper pockets' of a full grown adult.
That's really how Nintendo survives. That and Walmart families lol Walmart. Nintendo systems and packaging tend to also look more like 'Toys' so uneducated parents and grandparents would buy a Nintendo console over the other consoles on a blind shopping run. The Walmart factor, while pathetic cannot be denied. The games sold through GAME stores is on the decline, which explains the fact that a person rarely see's shelves fully STOCKED with loads of additional copies of a game despite the fact the game industry has grown so much since the Dreamcast days. The industry is supporting THREE consoles and TWO handhelds, thats almost unheard of.
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I don't know about the whole age thing... doesn't the average age of a gamer continue to increase? There are still lots of Sony fans around too... they have quite an established userbase. MS is the newest kid on the block.
It will be interesting to see how this gen plays out.
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Well I will be clear and say I dont have statistics to back up what I am saying, I am going by the fact that almost every N-Fan on GAF is getting pretty fucking old.
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Hmm. But like so many other things on GAF, does the group of rabid Nintendo fanboys represent Nintendo's market as a whole, or just the hardcore fans?
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I like to believe it represents Nintendo fans. Muhahaha.
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At least the DS rocks.
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DS Lite and the GBA SP are the best things Nintendo has done since the SNES era.
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Fantendo! When do preorders start? I've already got Elebits taken care of.
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wTF IS ELEBITS
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wTF IS ELEBITS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elebits (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elebits)
Next Gen Graphics Powerhouse!!!!!!!!
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Elebits5.jpg)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f8/Elebits2.jpg)
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Sorry drinky your wrong, it doesn't play DVDs so it's more like X0.5
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Not playing DVDs if fine. Theres going to be a lot of angry kids that can't play their Hoodwink DVDs though.
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good god that elebits game looks unplayably bad
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NEW YORK, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s (7974.OS: Quote, NEWS, Research) new Wii game console and related software will be profitable to the company once sales begin in the United States in November, the president of Nintendo of America said on Thursday.
"We will make a profit on the entire Wii proposition out of the box -- hardware and software," Reggie Fils-Aime told Reuters in an interview.
NEW YORK, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s (7974.OS: Quote, NEWS, Research) new Wii game console and related software will be profitable to the company once sales begin in the United States in November, the president of Nintendo of America said on Thursday.
"We will make a profit on the entire Wii proposition out of the box -- hardware and software," Reggie Fils-Aime told Reuters in an interview.
NEW YORK, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Nintendo Co. Ltd.'s (7974.OS: Quote, NEWS, Research) new Wii game console and related software will be profitable to the company once sales begin in the United States in November, the president of Nintendo of America said on Thursday.
"We will make a profit on the entire Wii proposition out of the box -- hardware and software," Reggie Fils-Aime told Reuters in an interview.
IT PRINTS MONEY!
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NO LOSSES
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Hollywood is going to die inside when Wii fails.
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Fuck Nintendo.
:D :D :D
Man, Nintendo had this holiday season on a golden platter. They have to be making near 100 bucks of pure profit at 250 bucks. I'm not paying premium price for thier lackluster hardware.
I'm PRAYING that MS drops the 360 Core to 250, just so Nintendo gets owned.
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I Agree With Everything Stated in This Post. :-*
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"We will make a profit on the entire Wii proposition out of the box"
Uh, you're not supposed to admit that you're ripping your customers off.
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"We will make a profit on the entire Wii proposition out of the box"
Uh, you're not supposed to admit that you're ripping your customers off.
Yep
Some rough math when it comes to the pricing of the Wii, the underlying system is basically priced as a Gamecube (shock!). Guess the Wiimotes addon stigma isn't really far fetched.
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Melissa: Thats bizzare looking haha
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atm the Wii's line-up seems uninspired even in Japan, because Nintendo basically took all their successful DS franchises to make Wii home versions of them: Brain Training, Nintendogs, etc etc...
it won't bode the same success in a home console, than it did on a twee portable though, and certainly it won't appeal the same people
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The Wii: Dead on Arrival.
Fact.
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SSB:B!
Salvation!
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The Wii: Dead on Arrival.
Fact.
The Dark Shake: kook.
Fact.
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I'll give six months before it takes the market lead.
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The Dark Shake: kook.
Fact.
:'( :'( :'(
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
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Let's be honest here people:
Has anyone who was planning to buy a Wii changed their mind after today?
No, because you've already managed to look past Nintendo raping your wallet with last gen hardware, gimmicky control schemes, and likely even worse third party support than the GC had. What's another 50 bucks compared to the assrape the Wii represents at even 200? Or hell, 150?
*goes back to play NSMB on DS Lite
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
The thing is, Wii Sports doesn't cost Nintendo 50 bucks. They developed it themselves, and since it's going to be included with every unit, it won't have an MSRP of its own. And just by looking at the game you can tell they're not losing much by giving it away for free. The extra 50 bucks just comes from Nintendo being greedy.
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Well, regardless if the tech is worth the value, 250 is still within the purchase range of most people.
A lot of you seem to forget that most people who buy game systems are not us. They dont follow magazines or websites, or know which chip manufacturer made what for which system.
Point being at 250 most walmart shoppers CAN afford it, and will buy it for reasons like the name of the company that produced it, and the fact that Nintendo games are safe and require very little parental effort to monitor what their kids play. Plus SOME parents might be under the wrong impression that the waggle wand will provide their kids with exercise.
In any case this doesnt affect Nintendo as much as it affects the fanboys who were hoping that Megaton would finally happen.
I agree with this post to a certain extent. These are the same people who will walk past the stacks of unsold $600 PS3 units as if they were invisible come June of next year. That's just reality, on which some gamers seem to have the most tenuous of grips. I think the port dumping ground of the launch might hurt the Wii a little bit, though. "Blazing Angels? Why come it's $50 for Nintendo when it's only $29 for Playstation 2?"
But yeah, I think they'll sell a ton at first. A couple of years and a few PS3/360 price drops from now, I think it might be a different story. I can only speak for myself. To me, $250 is too much for what they're offering, even though I could easily afford it.
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you realize that in a couple years nintendo may have changed the console games market?
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I mean you think of a Nintendo fan. Sure they get older, but they are FAITHFUL, and I honstly believe MS and Sony lose more fans to age than Nintendo does. While Sony and MS get more NEW fans, I think the door revolves a bit faster.
So while Nintendo gets fewer younger fans, it does keep more of its older fans who, as they get older, become even more fanatical and buy ANYTHING Nintendo with the 'deeper pockets' of a full grown adult.
That's an excellent point. It's very similar to the situation in mainstream superhero comics right now. Stuff like Infinite Crisis and Civil War caters to the long-term fanboy crowd, because kids aren't going to pay upwards of $5 a pop on 32 page pamphlets. For the long term it's a shaky business practice, though. These hardcore fanboy types are a finite source of income. Marvel and DC comics love to crow about a comic that sells 300K in a month, but 300K isn't DICK compared to sales of 30 years ago. A comic selling 300K 30 years ago would have been cancelled.
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those companies work on the games and movies of comics now.
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you realize that in a couple years nintendo may have changed the console games market?
Not unless they lock down Madden or GTA as a Wii exclusive.
I paint apartments for a living, and whenever I do work orders at a rental property I see many copies of Madden/GTA in people's living rooms. A large segment of the gaming populace is comprised of people who only buy a couple of games a year, or buy when the game hits $20.
In a couple of years, 360 hardware will hit that sweet casual buyer spot in price, with PS3 hardware not that far behind. Nintendo can't price drop themselves out of business, so don't expect a $50 Wii in 2008. When Occasional Gamedude walks into Best Buy in Fall 2008 and sees Madden on all the kiosks, the Wii version is going to look like a booger compared to the PS3 and 360 versions, even at SD resolution. It's going to be worth the extra bit of money to him to pick the system with the prettiest version of Madden. Plus, no GTA on Wii? Fuck that, Occasional Gamedude's going home with a 360 or PS3
They're not going to change the console market. They're going to sell an assload of Wii systems, but they're not going to change Occasional Gamedude, and that's where the real money is.
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those companies work on the games and movies of comics now.
Comics are a loss leader for Marvel, to keep their products visible and to sell property rights to videogame, film and toy companies. Time Warner prints them to keep the copyrights alive on their 70 year old characters, and as a raping ground for film ideas.
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
The thing is, Wii Sports doesn't cost Nintendo 50 bucks. They developed it themselves, and since it's going to be included with every unit, it won't have an MSRP of its own. And just by looking at the game you can tell they're not losing much by giving it away for free. The extra 50 bucks just comes from Nintendo being greedy.
Yeah, I was just thinking that. Wii Sports is like Brain Training, a fun budget $20 game. You might even get the same games in Monkey Ball minus the Mii avatars.
$99 Gamecube + $40 Wiimote + $20 Nunchuck + $20 Game = $180
So looking at it that way, it's about $70 off. $200 would seem fine given that its a bit better tech than GC and offering all the extra features.
Plus, with the cost of the extra controllers, you might be pricing out the audience they're aiming for. You are asking for new gamers, female and elsewise. These people see any console as a risk. To them 199.99 is a lot less risky. The lower the price the more you can reach them. Jacking it up makes no sense, even if your thought process is "oh they'll sell out anyways", you're starting off with a bit of alienation towards your meal ticket.
And to Fatghost, I won't be buying a Wii now until they drop that silly price. Nintendo lost it's advantage as best bang for the buck.
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Not unless they lock down Madden or GTA as a Wii exclusive.
I paint apartments for a living, and whenever I do work orders at a rental property I see many copies of Madden/GTA in people's living rooms. A large segment of the gaming populace is comprised of people who only buy a couple of games a year, or buy when the game hits $20.
In a couple of years, 360 hardware will hit that sweet casual buyer spot in price, with PS3 hardware not that far behind. Nintendo can't price drop themselves out of business, so don't expect a $50 Wii in 2008. When Occasional Gamedude walks into Best Buy in Fall 2008 and sees Madden on all the kiosks, the Wii version is going to look like a booger compared to the PS3 and 360 versions, even at SD resolution. It's going to be worth the extra bit of money to him to pick the system with the prettiest version of Madden. Plus, no GTA on Wii? Fuck that, Occasional Gamedude's going home with a 360 or PS3
They're not going to change the console market. They're going to sell an assload of Wii systems, but they're not going to change Occasional Gamedude, and that's where the real money is.
I don't see PS3 having much to offer. It just seems to try to reinvent the wheel. Wii has a country that games like Japan in it's hands but you're right, in other countries it probably has a problem.
*dreams shattered*
Comics are a loss leader for Marvel, to keep their products visible and to sell property rights to videogame, film and toy companies. Time Warner prints them to keep the copyrights alive on their 70 year old characters, and as a raping ground for film ideas.
Yeah that's what I meant.
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Wii will ultimately sell through less than Gamecube.
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I'm not shitting on the Wii, by the way. I'll buy one when I think it's worth the money, when they have an online system that's worth a fuck, and when third party controllers that aren't the recockulous price of $60 for a complete remote-chuck combo become available (which might be never, as I doubt Nintendo wants that waggletech in the hands of third parties). I want to play Mario Galaxy. I want to play Excite Truck. I want to see a really asskicking FPS. Those games will still be around when I get around to buying a Wii. I'm just not very interested in buying at launch anymore.
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Wii will ultimately sell through less than Gamecube.
I don't think you know shit.
I'm not shitting on the Wii, by the way. I'll buy one when I think it's worth the money, when they have an online system that's worth a fuck, and when third party controllers that aren't the recockulous price of $60 for a complete remote-chuck combo become available (which might be never, as I doubt Nintendo wants that waggletech in the hands of third parties. I want to play Mario Galaxy. I want to play Excite Truck. I want to see a really asskicking FPS. Those games will still be around when I get around to buying a Wii. I'm just not very interested in buying at launch anymore.
I think Nintendo's going to do something weird price-raping wise with the bundles. Maybe they'll get generous. Just why couldn't they have packed a real game?
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
The thing is, Wii Sports doesn't cost Nintendo 50 bucks. They developed it themselves, and since it's going to be included with every unit, it won't have an MSRP of its own. And just by looking at the game you can tell they're not losing much by giving it away for free. The extra 50 bucks just comes from Nintendo being greedy.
Never taken a business class eh?
You don't sell things for what they're worth. You sell to make a profit. If a car is worth $3,000, you don't sell it for $3,000. Basic economics son!
That being said...
Let's be real: The Wii hardware is worth around $150. When you add the other stuff on, you get to around $230 at most. So $250 is not terribly overpriced...
That doesn't mean I like the price: I'm not getting on at launch anymore. But as an educated indivual (DUN DUN DUNNN), I see what Nintendo is doin
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Never taken a business class eh?
You don't sell things for what they're worth. You sell to make a profit. If a car is worth $3,000, you don't sell it for $3,000. Basic economics son!
That being said...
Let's be real: The Wii hardware is worth around $150. When you add the other stuff on, you get to around $230 at most. So $250 is not terribly overpriced...
That doesn't mean I like the price: I'm not getting on at launch anymore. But as an educated indivual (DUN DUN DUNNN), I see what Nintendo is doin
How do you know what the hardware is worth?
From a consumer standpoint, you have to look at it from comparative value. Is the Wii a good value compared to the PS3 or X360? For most gamers, I think it's pretty clear the answer is "No". Certainly, from a technological stand point, it's an emphatic "No".
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I think Nintendo's going to do something weird price-raping wise with the bundles. Maybe they'll get generous. Just why couldn't they have packed a real game?
I'll be honest - if they'd included a second wagglewand in the package, I'd probably buy it for $250. As it stands now, $300 gets you a Wii, an extra (real) game, and the opportunity to swing your arms around like a jackass by yourself.
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I'll be honest - if they'd included a second wagglewand in the package, I'd probably buy it for $250. As it stands now, $300 gets you a Wii, an extra (real) game, and the opportunity to swing your arms around like a jackass by yourself.
now I realize why people were so serious about getting a PS3 to sell. Wii could be completely useless for most games.
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
The thing is, Wii Sports doesn't cost Nintendo 50 bucks. They developed it themselves, and since it's going to be included with every unit, it won't have an MSRP of its own. And just by looking at the game you can tell they're not losing much by giving it away for free. The extra 50 bucks just comes from Nintendo being greedy.
Never taken a business class eh?
You don't sell things for what they're worth. You sell to make a profit. If a car is worth $3,000, you don't sell it for $3,000. Basic economics son!
That being said...
Let's be real: The Wii hardware is worth around $150. When you add the other stuff on, you get to around $230 at most. So $250 is not terribly overpriced...
That doesn't mean I like the price: I'm not getting on at launch anymore. But as an educated indivual (DUN DUN DUNNN), I see what Nintendo is doin
You traditionally sell hardware at a loss, though. This is Nintendo being greedy from day 1.
One of the draws of console gaming is that you get hardware worth more than you are paying.
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That was distinguished mentally-challenged, PhoenixDark. The industry is a content delivery one, where by manufacturers are supposed to make their money on content (software, accessories, etc.). The actual form of delivery is regulary sold for cost or less than cost to entice customers. This goes for many things, like cell phones and cable DVR boxes and such.
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
The thing is, Wii Sports doesn't cost Nintendo 50 bucks. They developed it themselves, and since it's going to be included with every unit, it won't have an MSRP of its own. And just by looking at the game you can tell they're not losing much by giving it away for free. The extra 50 bucks just comes from Nintendo being greedy.
Never taken a business class eh?
You don't sell things for what they're worth. You sell to make a profit. If a car is worth $3,000, you don't sell it for $3,000. Basic economics son!
That being said...
Let's be real: The Wii hardware is worth around $150. When you add the other stuff on, you get to around $230 at most. So $250 is not terribly overpriced...
That doesn't mean I like the price: I'm not getting on at launch anymore. But as an educated indivual (DUN DUN DUNNN), I see what Nintendo is doin
You traditionally sell hardware at a loss, though. This is Nintendo being greedy from day 1.
One of the draws of console gaming is that you get hardware worth more than you are paying.
Greedy? This is a business.
Nintendo traditionally does not sell harware at a loss. That's why they're a healthy company.
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Nintendo used to sell hardware that was competitive. NES, SNES, N64, GC, all were competitive with other hardware on the market when they launched. Wii is a joke compared to its competition. You can't get away with charging a premium price for a non premium product. It's going to hurt Nintendo.
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Greedy? This is a business.
Nintendo traditionally does not sell harware at a loss. That's why they're a healthy company.
they sold it for a couple cents more then it cost to manufacture.
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
The thing is, Wii Sports doesn't cost Nintendo 50 bucks. They developed it themselves, and since it's going to be included with every unit, it won't have an MSRP of its own. And just by looking at the game you can tell they're not losing much by giving it away for free. The extra 50 bucks just comes from Nintendo being greedy.
Never taken a business class eh?
You don't sell things for what they're worth. You sell to make a profit. If a car is worth $3,000, you don't sell it for $3,000. Basic economics son!
That being said...
Let's be real: The Wii hardware is worth around $150. When you add the other stuff on, you get to around $230 at most. So $250 is not terribly overpriced...
That doesn't mean I like the price: I'm not getting on at launch anymore. But as an educated indivual (DUN DUN DUNNN), I see what Nintendo is doin
You traditionally sell hardware at a loss, though. This is Nintendo being greedy from day 1.
One of the draws of console gaming is that you get hardware worth more than you are paying.
Greedy? This is a business.
Nintendo traditionally does not sell harware at a loss. That's why they're a healthy company.
But the argument is, is the consumer benefiting from this? Its good that Nintendo is always in the green but as Fatghost already stated, it seems that their more interested in their bottom line. With this in mind their trying to segregate themselves from the rest of the gaming industry so they don't have to worry about Microsoft and Sony.
Thats the one thing that I find weird about a lot of Nintendo fans. They seem to put a lot of thought into how Nintendo is doing, more so than other fanbases.
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Yeah. I don't give a shit whether or not Sony, MS or Nintendo make any money. Their profit is not my problem.
Shit, I bet Nintendo fans are a car salesman's wet dream. When you guys go to buy a car, are you insisting you pay MSRP so the dealership and salesman can get a nice profit? Sheesh.
I think Nfans tout the profit horn a lot because that's the one thing they have in the console wars "sure, our hardware of choice sucks, is dead last, and doesn't have any games...but Nintendo's balance sheet and income statement totally rock Sony's and MS's!"
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Yeah I really get confused why the fuck those feggits care about sales numbers and Nintendo's profits so much? I really could give 2 shits about their profit margins, and what not.
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GAF console wars for the goddamned lose, I think all of us combined on this forum play games than GAF does.
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SSB:B!
Salvation!
YES!
So I will probably be getting a Wii next year around Christmas time.
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(http://wiimedia.ign.com/wii/image/article/732/732719/super-mario-galaxy-20060914080417081.jpg)
OMG THIS IS TEH NEXT GEN!!!
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I do want that game as well. I'm such a fucking cigarillo. Goddamn it.
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Wii will rock. Anything closer to a mouse that's not a distinguished mentally-challenged thumb joystick gets my vote for any FPS that's non-PC :)
I lost interest in every single FPS console game after Goldeneye... The mouse is just soooooooo much faster, better, more accurate, and fun!
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I still can't get that they're charging 250 bucks for something with 64 frickin megs of RAM. WTF? I shit more RAM than that.
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Yeah, it's like you could give RAM away. But you don't.
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Dear Nintendo,
I'm not paying $50 extra bucks for Wii Sports. You are losing customers with the price when you can't afford to lose more buyers in the console sector. It's not like you're taking a loss by offering a non-pack in at 200 pricepoint. All you are doing is losing customers from the get go.
"People will still buy it" = "Less people will still buy it."
Really, they had it all set up for them. Then they came out greedy. And Metroid in 2007? Wtf? It's basically a cube game.
The thing is, Wii Sports doesn't cost Nintendo 50 bucks. They developed it themselves, and since it's going to be included with every unit, it won't have an MSRP of its own. And just by looking at the game you can tell they're not losing much by giving it away for free. The extra 50 bucks just comes from Nintendo being greedy.
Yeah, I was just thinking that. Wii Sports is like Brain Training, a fun budget $20 game. You might even get the same games in Monkey Ball minus the Mii avatars.
$99 Gamecube + $40 Wiimote + $20 Nunchuck + $20 Game = $180
So looking at it that way, it's about $70 off. $200 would seem fine given that its a bit better tech than GC and offering all the extra features.
Plus, with the cost of the extra controllers, you might be pricing out the audience they're aiming for. You are asking for new gamers, female and elsewise. These people see any console as a risk. To them 199.99 is a lot less risky. The lower the price the more you can reach them. Jacking it up makes no sense, even if your thought process is "oh they'll sell out anyways", you're starting off with a bit of alienation towards your meal ticket.
And to Fatghost, I won't be buying a Wii now until they drop that silly price. Nintendo lost it's advantage as best bang for the buck.
Except the fact people ignore it ISN'T a GC.
R&D costs money. The motion censor costs money. Shrinking the components down costs money. Slot loading drive and shrinking that down costs money.
No doubt $250 is a little high and they are making money, but people act as if its JUST an overclocked GC. Just because the money doesn't go to hardware power doesn't mean its not going somewhere else. Even if you think the motion controls are a stupid gimmick doesn't mean they don't cost money to make.
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I still can't get that they're charging 250 bucks for something with 64 frickin megs of RAM. WTF? I shit more RAM than that.
Can you crap out some RAM for my laptop please?
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Except the fact people ignore it ISN'T a GC.
R&D costs money. The motion censor costs money. Shrinking the components down costs money. Slot loading drive and shrinking that down costs money.
No doubt $250 is a little high and they are making money, but people act as if its JUST an overclocked GC. Just because the money doesn't go to hardware power doesn't mean its not going somewhere else. Even if you think the motion controls are a stupid gimmick doesn't mean they don't cost money to make.
my thoughts exactly
even if it's kind of a rip-off for such crippled hardware, at least we know it's going to still have some unmatched image quality like the GameCube had
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The lack of a dvd player isn't a big deal. Who doesn't own at least 1 player by now anyways? Heck I have 5 if you include the ps2, 360 and Xbox along with regular home dvd players.
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I still can't get that they're charging 250 bucks for something with 64 frickin megs of RAM. WTF? I shit more RAM than that.
Gaping anus lolz
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Wiimote!! I can't wait for a good challenging FPS with that thing! Online multi-mode ownage.
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BTW, where does it say 64MB RAM? All the 'leaked' spacs I saw were around over 100MB RAM. Was there new specs out??
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I kinda wish it came in black.
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I kinda wish it came in black.
Doesn't it? I could of sworn I saw some black Wii pics a long time ago. Maybe they where photoshops though..
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They had black remotes at e3 and the early Revolution promo pics had the system in black, but they're only launching with white to maximize production. New colors won't come until at least Spring, if not later.
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(http://www.nintendorevolution.com/files/images/aab.preview.jpg)
Heh, still says revolution in the link.
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They had black remotes at e3 and the early Revolution promo pics had the system in black, but they're only launching with white to maximize production. New colors won't come until at least Spring, if not later.
Ah I see. Pity.
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Total RAM is like 88 MB -- 64 MB working set + 24 MB 1TSRAM video/fast cache.
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The lack of RAM is a good thing, because it'll push the developers to really utilize the hardware since they can't rely on too much RAM as a handicap. As a result, second year titles will look amazing!
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The lack of RAM is a good thing, because it'll push the developers to really utilize the hardware since they can't rely on too much RAM as a handicap. As a result, second year titles will look amazing!
I had to read that twice.
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They might even reach Xbox levels of graphics!
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I wish some new specs would come out, because right now we really don't know. Either way 88MB total RAM is a good bit better than the original GC. No doubt though this was about the cheapest way possible to make a new system. I'm sure Nintendo has 3-5 schematics for planning NEW game systems, and Nintendo took the absolute weakest and cheapest option, no doubt.
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Are there specs released yet? Is the RAM just based on word of mouth?
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They might even reach Xbox levels of graphics!
XBox doesn't have as much RAM, and Wii has a better processor than Pentium 3, so Wii is a little better.
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The Wii also lacks a lot of DirectX 8-caliber features and shaders which it has to compensate for with generic TEV ops or brute force.
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Which doesn't matter to Nintendo's own games anyway, or select third parties with their own engines. All the other games/companies are shit anyway.
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Wii is to Gamecube what DS is to N64, essentially. It's a bit more powerful if you compare them toe to toe, but ultimately the same hardware generation and will produce graphics and physics at a fairly equivalent level. In no way will Wii be competitive with X360 or PS3 graphically, even if all three machines are running at SD resolutions. Running on HDTV, Wii is going to look especially like shit. And as HDTV penetrates more and more homes, the fact the Wii is still SD is going to make it a harder and harder sell for the casual Madden player and the hardcore graphics nerds alike.
I don't get how people try to say Wii is quite a bit more than an overclocked Gamecube - it's exactly an overclocked gamecube, with waggle thrown in. Same CPU, Same GPU, same RAM configuration, with some clock speed bumps and a little bit extra RAM thrown in. It's still 1999-2000 era graphics technology with a CPU to match. It's not even a tiny bit next gen from a hardware perspective. The controller gimmick is the only thing Wii has going for it and I think that will alienate as many as it attracts.
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Wii is to Gamecube what DS is to N64, essentially. It's a bit more powerful if you compare them toe to toe, but ultimately the same hardware generation and will produce graphics and physics at a fairly equivalent level. In no way will Wii be competitive with X360 or PS3 graphically, even if all three machines are running at SD resolutions. Running on HDTV, Wii is going to look especially like shit. And as HDTV penetrates more and more homes, the fact the Wii is still SD is going to make it a harder and harder sell for the casual Madden player and the hardcore graphics nerds alike.
I don't get how people try to say Wii is quite a bit more than an overclocked Gamecube - it's exactly an overclocked gamecube, with waggle thrown in. Same CPU, Same GPU, same RAM configuration, with some clock speed bumps and a little bit extra RAM thrown in. It's still 1999-2000 era graphics technology with a CPU to match. It's not even a tiny bit next gen from a hardware perspective. The controller gimmick is the only thing Wii has going for it and I think that will alienate as many as it attracts.
And that's why it will fail. I don't see casual gamers supporting this system. They'll get Gears of War and wait for the GC version of Zelda instead.
This isn't like PS2 vs the Xbox/Gamecube, where the PS2 could still look good in comparison. And of course now games like God of War look just as good as most Xbox stuff. With the Wii, we won't see that. In 2007 we are going to start seeing games that truly redefine graphics. MGS4, Halo 3, FFXIII, etc. On the other hand, the Wii will make slight graphical improvements, but eventually things will start getting pathetic. Being this inferior to your competitors is dangerous.*
*first person to pull the "bu bu...DS is owning PSP!" card gets slapped the fuck out
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Lets also look at the Wii's price advantage - in two years there won't be a price advantage! About halfway through this generation, the Wii's price will be about the same as the X360 and probably even the PS3. There is only so much room Nintendo has to drop their price before they are priced out of the market. You can't sell hardware for less than the cost of a game, for example. And the Wii won't sell at all at 100 bucks if the 360 or Ps3 is 150.
They'll be within spitting difference, hell, at launch the Wii is in spitting difference with the 360, but the hardware value is going to make everyone look to 360 or PS3. It's just not going to fly.
I suspect even in Japan, where 360 is a non factor and PS3 is even more expensive, that most consumers will wait for PS3 to become affordable and just stick to PS2. People aren't stupid - the gimmick for Wii will sell the Wii early to everyone interested and the Nintendo faithful, and then the Wii will peter out to obscurity, the same way the GC started fairly strong and was essentially dead within 18 months.
The DS does well because it is a great portable, coming from a market leader, with tremendous and superior third party support, AND has a noticeable price advantage and has a form factor and ergonomics that make it work both with traditional controls and the "gimmick" control, although the "gimmick" in DS' case is a proven portable consumer electronic input method that has wide acceptance in a variety of other portable electronics.
The Wii doesn't have any of these advantages. The price advantage is tiny, since it's only 50 bucks off from a 360 premium. The form factor is nice, being small, but in terms of capabilities, it's behind the 360 and PS3 as a media player and as a media hub. Web browsing (which costs extra!) is kinda nice but who the fuck wants to surf the web in 640x480?? If it didn't fly when it was free with the Dreamcast in 1999, who would care now in 2006? Nintendo is dead last in the market, not only in hardware sales but also software sales...at least third party games sold on Xbox 1. Third party support for Wii is pretty terrible, mostly last gen port overs (not even port ups, no fresh coat of paint like you at least get with 360 port ups), and the waggle is not a proven input method, unless you count the arcade games that use mo-cap inputs...that are fun for 5 minutes until muscle cramp sets in.
Wii is fucking still born but the Nintendrones don't even realize it.
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Wii is doomed to fail.
Mark my words, this is Nintendo's final console. From now on, they'll stick to handhelds.
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I doubt it. Nintendo doesn't view the Wii as a traditional console, period. If it falters, a lot of people have speculated Nintendo won't drop out of the hardware business, but that a joint venture with another company would probably be in order.
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Nintendo isn't aiming for the hardcore. Most of the traditional Nintendo fans -- at least the ones who love serious third-party content as well as first-party content -- are actually nowhere in Nintendo's focus for the Wii, although many of them seem willing to reinvent their preferences just to make sure they're on Nintendo's side.
The Wii is there to sell to a non-traditional audience -- the newly-discovered Brain Age/Bejeweled set. They'll throw some "epic" content on the Wii, of course, but their primary development focus is on the true casuals (not lapsed hardcores) and non-gamers. That's where the money will be spent.
Now, you can delude yourself into thinking that you'll be more than happy to waggle about with Wii Sports, mini-game collections, and various Animal Crossing-esque OCD outlets -- and perhaps some of you will -- but it is no longer a primary console for the hardcore. It's almost a portable to us -- what we might play BETWEEN real games. The Nintendo-only hardcore gamer is officially dead as of the Wii.
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The Nintendo-only hardcore gamer has been dead as of the N64, Drinky.
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See, that's the problem. They say they're all about all gamers, yet they continue to stick their finger up hardcore gamer's asses. How many glorified tech demos and mini game orgies does a system launch really need? From what I've seen, Nintendo has put far more effor into creating those games than REAL games. Zelda looks polished, and it's going to sell. But what else is there? EAD has been busy with Zelda (thanks to the Wii port!) and budget titles like Wii Sports that apparently they don't have the time to make real games.
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You know, watching as many Nintendo console releases as I have, its really hard to listen to people support Nintendo anymore, because its like watching reruns of the same season of television every launch.
I mean there's lots of different words used but the general idea behind each Nintendo rant is the same lame tune.
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The problem comes down to how will Traditional games adapt to the Wiimote (an old argument since the Wiimote was first revealed). Since its the first of its kind (as a standard controller) your gonna have more idea like games, nothing polished or a full package.
Like Zelda for instance, it uses the regular traditional controller for most of its functions and uses the Wiimote for smaller usage (like the boomerang, grappling hook etc). But the game is not built around the controller. I'm very interested to see a game that has the same polish as Zelda and yet be built around the controller.
I personally think games like Kings Field should be made on the Wii, en mass!
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http://gamebunker.com/GameBunker/Forums/thread12084-0-asc-45.html
God dammit...
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Wii is to Gamecube what DS is to N64, essentially. It's a bit more powerful if you compare them toe to toe, but ultimately the same hardware generation and will produce graphics and physics at a fairly equivalent level. In no way will Wii be competitive with X360 or PS3 graphically, even if all three machines are running at SD resolutions. Running on HDTV, Wii is going to look especially like shit. And as HDTV penetrates more and more homes, the fact the Wii is still SD is going to make it a harder and harder sell for the casual Madden player and the hardcore graphics nerds alike.
I don't get how people try to say Wii is quite a bit more than an overclocked Gamecube - it's exactly an overclocked gamecube, with waggle thrown in. Same CPU, Same GPU, same RAM configuration, with some clock speed bumps and a little bit extra RAM thrown in. It's still 1999-2000 era graphics technology with a CPU to match. It's not even a tiny bit next gen from a hardware perspective. The controller gimmick is the only thing Wii has going for it and I think that will alienate as many as it attracts.
And that's why it will fail. I don't see casual gamers supporting this system. They'll get Gears of War and wait for the GC version of Zelda instead.
This isn't like PS2 vs the Xbox/Gamecube, where the PS2 could still look good in comparison. And of course now games like God of War look just as good as most Xbox stuff. With the Wii, we won't see that. In 2007 we are going to start seeing games that truly redefine graphics. MGS4, Halo 3, FFXIII, etc. On the other hand, the Wii will make slight graphical improvements, but eventually things will start getting pathetic. Being this inferior to your competitors is dangerous.*
*first person to pull the "bu bu...DS is owning PSP!" card gets slapped the fuck out
I'll play the DS is owning PSP card, because people said the exact fucking thing then, and they said the exact fucking thing when DS launched. The DS had a MUCH worse launch than the Wii is having right now, it has a Mario 64 remake, with touch screen controls most people didn't even want to use.
Graphics aren't everything, its been proven time and time again. The DS is owning the PSP. The PS2 is owning the 360. The Wii WILL sell in Japan whether you like it or not, that territory is locked up. Established franchises plus popular DS games on Wii = big seller. 360 is dead there, period. PS3 will sell as much as it can with the amount of money it costs.
In America Nintendo can't do any worse than the Gamecube. At least now the Wii has a distinct philosophy behind it, and the novelty of it will make it sell more than GC. Bubububu waggle controls, yeah and Guitar Hero really bombed too, with a big ass guitar periphiral.
Your ass is going ot get owned, just like you were with the DS. Suck IT.
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Hollywood, it's common knowledge that you're in Nintendo's Gay Parade.
You want a comparison to how distinguished mentally-challenged it is to bring up the DS in regards to Wii?
Look at Gamecube sales. Enough said.
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Hollywood, it's common knowledge that you're in Nintendo's Gay Parade.
You want a comparison to how distinguished mentally-challenged it is to bring up the DS in regards to Wii?
Look at Gamecube sales. Enough said.
QFT
Entirely different situations. Nintendo owns the handheld market. They could release a black and white Gameboy again and still capture the market with a new 2D Mario game.
GBA sold toe to toe with the PS2, yet that success NEVER translated to the Gamecube. Not even the Gamecube Pokemon games did huge numbers
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Wanna know how distinguished mentally-challenged it is to say the Wii will bomb? Look at the profit. How the fuck does a machine bomb when every game or machine you sell makes money? Nintendo could sell like 1 million of them total, and make money, thats what you don't get. You wanna play armchair videogame industry some more smart guy?
It's more relevant to compare the Wii to the DS than the GC because the Wii has an unorthodox strategy, just like the DS. The GC was more like the PS2 or XBox with less games, which is why it sold less. There was absolutely nothing unique or different about it other than it looked like a Cube.
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Wanna know how distinguished mentally-challenged it is to say the Wii will bomb? Look at the profit. How the fuck does a machine bomb when every game or machine you sell makes money? Nintendo could sell like 1 million of them total, and make money, thats what you don't get. You wanna play armchair videogame industry some more smart guy?
That 1 million would generate a profit on manufactured hardware, yes - would it pay for all the cost of wiimote R&D, though? I don't really care about sales debates, but that immediately came to mind when I read your post.
Maybe there'll be a price drop next spring, so I can play Mario Galaxy.
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Wanna know how distinguished mentally-challenged it is to say the Wii will bomb? Look at the profit. How the fuck does a machine bomb when every game or machine you sell makes money? Nintendo could sell like 1 million of them total, and make money, thats what you don't get. You wanna play armchair videogame industry some more smart guy?
So Nintendo is going to make one Wii console for every person thats going to buy a wii and not overship? Thats some magic forecasting analysts Nintendo has go tharrrrr.
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Wanna know how distinguished mentally-challenged it is to say the Wii will bomb? Look at the profit. How the fuck does a machine bomb when every game or machine you sell makes money? Nintendo could sell like 1 million of them total, and make money, thats what you don't get. You wanna play armchair videogame industry some more smart guy?
It's more relevant to compare the Wii to the DS than the GC because the Wii has an unorthodox strategy, just like the DS. The GC was more like the PS2 or XBox with less games, which is why it sold less. There was absolutely nothing unique or different about it other than it looked like a Cube.
So it's perfectly fine to compare the Gamecube to the GBA too right? :stfu
You lose
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Gamecube isn't a Game Boy. DS isn't a Game Boy. Wii isn't a Game Boy. Comparing anything to the most known brand of handheld gaming in history is ridiculous. I didn't say the DS being successful means the Wii will be, but your argument that its an overclocked Gamecube doesn't hold water either. The power argument is stupid, it has no relevance. There are similarities between the bashing the DS got and what the Wii is getting. Who cares about the touch screen or two screens, who cares about motion control? The graphics are much much poorer than the PSP, the graphics are much much poorer than the PS3/360.
If you want to come up with an argument why the Wii will fail at least use one that holds water. Saying something is a stupid gimmick because YOU don't like it, and saying the graphics suck and it won't sell because YOU like HD and powerful looking graphics doesn't mean thats the rule for everyone. The DS is used as an example of people saying the exact same thing, and regardless if its a handheld or not, those reasons prove to be invalid. And they prove to be invalid when a 6 year old PS2 machine is beating the 360's ass in sales, and the Game Boy Advance 5 years old with absolutely zero releases is beating the PSP in the US.
As for the one million comment, it was an exaggeration, but you know what I mean. Wii will sell more than 1 million easily within the first week of launch, no doubt, and likely a lot more. Those 4 million world wide will definately be gone, whether you want to admit it or not. That right there is all the success they need. It's not going to bomb no matter how much you want it to.
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Since when have graphics EVER mattered in the handheld market? The console market is different, and it's not hard to understand. Consider the last few generations since the NES. All of them included consoles that ALL competed with with each other graphically.
SNES
Genesis
N64
PS1
Saturn
lol dreamcast
Xbox
Gamecube
PS2
The Wii is going to break this trend by being vastly inferior to its COMPETITORS (yes, they are all competing for the same thing, and they're all in the same market). We'll see how that plays out
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Relax. I'm not attacking you or wishing failure on Nintendo. I just don't want to get milked for overpriced launch packages with software I don't want, and which requires additional $60 controllers I have to buy in two pieces to enjoy.
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I posted earlier in the thread about how I think all three companies are practically highballing everyone. I'm not starting 'OMG console warz!!!' stuff anymore. That's so 2001. Needless to say, I think you are a damn fool if you think any one of the three companies will 'bomb'. Nintendo probably won't sell as much as 360 or PS3 in the US for sure, but they don't have to. Break even points for Nintendo have to be quite a bit lower than MSoft or Sony. Hell Sony or Microsoft may not even break even in the long run, it will take Microsoft years and years to even break even from getting into the console market, and the Cell and Blu Ray is a dangerous proporsition for Sony.
You can spend 600, 400, or 250 for a console and honestly I don't see games out right now or even this fall that I want, that a current/last gen console can't provide. Zelda is on Gamecube, PS2 still has some hot games coming like Guitar Hero 2, which is one of the few new types of games out there ... there's FF XII, among others. So whatever, right now I don't think any are worth it.
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Hollywood, I regards to the PS3 and Wii, I think your asking way to much from two consoles that haven't even launched yet.
As far as the PSe, If anything the launch is looking MUCH more appealing than the PS2 launch. There seems more of a diverse set of games. If you end up waiting then theres DMC4 and Metal Gear Solid 4 that may be coming out next year. The year after that? Possibly Final Fantasy XIII (and maybe a remake of FFVII).
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I'm about to slap the next person talking about "hardcore gamer". MS keeps touting they have them, but their library is narrow and redundant. Action game, action game, fps, fps! So a hardcore gamer only plays the same game over and over? They don't play new things? Where the fuck did this hardcore gamer idea come from? In the past, the 'hardcore gamer' was always ready and willing to try wacky new things(especially if it was 'wacky jappy'). They imported strange games, or raved about small devs with new ideas. The current definition of the word sounds more like the rut of redundancy the PC scene has been stuck in forever.
For example, those of us who have been gaming for more than a couple gens might remember Caveman Games on the NES. An odd, but lovable game that was a lot of fun. Nobody was discounting the game back then because of its setup or trial of events. But now we have Rayman Raving Rabbids, which is basically a modern Caveman Games with Rayman, and it's just a lame minigame non-game?
People get caught up in silly videogame political-like phrases and talking points. I am never sure how much is people just entertaining themselves and how much is people actually thinking these things. I know that the spouters of it get others to think it and it somehow becomes fact.
Honestly, I get frustrated by being the only person who seems to have a clue. I don't talk to others about videogames in real life, even though they know I play them a lot, because I know they've been inundated with the hyperbole already. I just won't talk about games. I'll sit there and play them, but god damned if I am talking to anyone about games in real life after having read such an exasperating chorus of chicken clucking online.
hrm
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I'm about to slap the next person talking about "hardcore gamer". MS keeps touting they have them, but their library is narrow and redundant. Action game, action game, fps, fps! So a hardcore gamer only plays the same game over and over? They don't play new things? Where the fuck did this hardcore gamer idea come from? In the past, the 'hardcore gamer' was always ready and willing to try wacky new things(especially if it was 'wacky jappy'). They imported strange games, or raved about small devs with new ideas. The current definition of the word sounds more like the rut of redundancy the PC scene has been stuck in forever.
For example, those of us who have been gaming for more than a couple gens might remember Caveman Games on the NES. An odd, but lovable game that was a lot of fun. Nobody was discounting the game back then because of its setup or trial of events. But now we have Rayman Raving Rabbids, which is basically a modern Caveman Games with Rayman, and it's just a lame minigame non-game?
People get caught up in silly videogame political-like phrases and talking points. I am never sure how much is people just entertaining themselves and how much is people actually thinking these things. I know that the spouters of it get others to think it and it somehow becomes fact.
Honestly, I get frustrated by being the only person who seems to have a clue. I don't talk to others about videogames in real life, even though they know I play them a lot, because I know they've been inundated with the hyperbole already. I just won't talk about games. I'll sit there and play them, but god damned if I am talking to anyone about games in real life after having read such an exasperating chorus of chicken clucking online.
hrm
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it's just dumbasses getting caught up in the sensation. The only time new good games can sell a lot is if they're at launch (Halo, Mario 64, etc.) because they force buyers to choose from only a few games and everybody plays it. I think that's what Nintendo is doing with they're fairly mediocre-looking launch line-up of many very different then there past versions games.
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I think the launch lineup looks better than most, even if its game you don't want to play. It's close to identical to some other past launches.
Zelda is obviously THE game, even if it comes out on GC a month later or so. Excitetruck is to Waverace of past launches when a racing alternative is needed, looks very similar. Wii Sports is a tech demo, which is better than nothing.
Rayman and Super Monkey Ball look like the perfect kind of party games to use the Wii controller, sleeper games that most will scoff at and say aren't worth it but most who buy will love.
Red Steel is a wildcard that could go either way. Then you have your standard EA Sports connection and Tony Hawk fix, and a few other dark horses like Trauma Center and Splinter Cell. IMO this launch is MUCH stronger than the Gamecube launch for sure.
People saying this is the GC redux, to put it simply, GC got a Tony Hawk 3 port, and now they get a new version. GC didn't get ANY Ubi Soft games at launch I recall, now they got a boatload of support. EA Sports is putting much more effort into their sports games than Gamecube got, even if you think the controlelr is stupid, they are putting together a better effort.
I don't see what could get worse, third parties are putting in more effort and time than before, something GC got shafted on.
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First of all, none of us are saying Wii is a bad business decision, just that it's a piece of shit product that is over priced and aimed at a market that none of us, who used to buy Nintendo products, still fit into.
Wii will probably make a lot of money for Nintendo, but since I'm not Nintendo, I don't give a shit about their profitability. It's 1999 tech being sold for an outlandish price with a shitty software line up with one bright spot being two Gamecube port overs. It's going to have worse third party support than GC and even less varied library.
Nintendo is abandoning the traditional game market to pursue the brain training group like Drinky said. Whether or not this will be successful, I don't know. DS did not abandon the traditional games market, in embraced it, and I think this universality is key to mainstream success. The PS2 embraced universality and the GBA embraced it, and both machines dominated their market. The DS also embraces it and it's doing incredibly well. The Wii eschews it.
I think Nintendo is overestimating the power of a brain training to sell consoles though. The DS is impulse buy priced, it's portable, it's self contained, and it's easily shown to friends and co-workers. It's cute and girls like that, and it's easy to operate and I suspect many people throw it in a drawer after a few sessions and forget about it for months. A console is a different animal altogether. It's more cumbersome, it's a bigger investment, it takes up TV real estate, it's not at all self contained, it's no longer easily shown to friends and co-workers, and the type of 10-20 minute game play sessions that suit the DS won't suit a console game session at all. Let alone all the set up and configuration that the Wii will require to make the wagglewand work. I don't think a non gamer would want to put up with the required set up, room dimensions and lighting conditions that are necessary to get the waggle wand to be accurate. It's not as easy as turning on a DS and tapping the touch screen. The Wii will not be as intuitive as most of you think.
I suppose the better term to use instead of "hardcore" gamer is "traditional" gamer. I don't want to be stuck with SD resolutions in order to beef up Nintendo's bottom line. I don't want to be forced to deal with an entirely new input method for all genres when it would only help a few. There is nothing wrong with the traditional control pad for Ninja Gaiden, for example. Waggle would not improve that game - having to swing my sword would be cumbersome, tiresome, and not at all precise enough to work for that game.
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I think the reason Wii is seen by Nintendo as a secondary console or a casual's console is that it's more about changing the types of multiplayer games available. Add this to great Nintendo first-party games and you don't have a bad system. One that's very hard to emulate without the exact same controller but still a good system.
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Wii does not have Japan locked up. I suspect the overwhelming majority of the Japanese market is now going to just stick to PS2 and wait for PS3 to get cheap/Wii to become a real next gen system.
One of these two things is more likely to happen than the other though.