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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: brawndolicious on June 23, 2007, 10:57:44 PM

Title: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 23, 2007, 10:57:44 PM
Regardless of the fact that we just had a person jump over shit to clock in, I feel this is important.

http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/06/20/1833246
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Anuborn Satirak writes to tell us that Physicists from Case Western Reserve University claim to have cracked the black hole information loss paradox that has puzzled physicists for the past 40 years. "The physicists are quick to assure astronomers and astrophysicists that what is observed in gravity pulling masses together still holds true, but what is controversial about the new finding is that 'from an external viewer's point it takes an infinite amount of time to form an event horizon and that the clock for the objects falling into the black hole appears to slow down to zero,' said Krauss, director of Case's Center for Education and Research in Cosmology." 

A black hole is not a thing that exists in time and space, it's an event or process that is a warping the space-time fabric. A black hole is not a THING that warps time and space, it IS a warping of time and space. An object actually moving to the center of the black hole takes an infinitely long time to get there, so when it actually does get there, it happens to arrive right at the end of the universe.

The black hole is basically always in it's creation phase and hasn't always existed since the beginning of time, all the matter that goes in it doesn't disappear until the end of the universe.

Think about it logically though. If black holes gain size by accruing matter, why isn't the universe in the process of being swallowed by huge wandering black holes?
Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 23, 2007, 11:03:06 PM
I fail to see the new information here.

Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: Vizzys on June 23, 2007, 11:04:02 PM
You JUST BLEW MY MIND
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Post by: brawndolicious on June 23, 2007, 11:07:52 PM
what part of this has been said before foc?
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Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 23, 2007, 11:10:55 PM
I'm not reading this until MAF or malek approves it!
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 23, 2007, 11:11:25 PM
All of it.
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Post by: Vizzys on June 23, 2007, 11:11:33 PM
So PEOPLE WHO ENTER BLACK HOLES CAN LIVE FOREVER RIGHT
Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: brawndolicious on June 23, 2007, 11:12:38 PM
All of it.
where?
Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 23, 2007, 11:18:32 PM
So PEOPLE WHO ENTER BLACK HOLES CAN LIVE FOREVER RIGHT

we'll pieces of them, yes, but they would get ripped apart entering it. 

Be sides WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER!  WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER! WHO WANTS TO LIVE FOREVER, WHEN LOVE MUST DIE!
Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 23, 2007, 11:20:06 PM
Black Holes are really alternate versions of FoC's asshole collapsing into itself when their girlfriends end the relationships due to physical abuse.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on June 23, 2007, 11:26:19 PM
Do black holes come with Revelations?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/8f/BHARCOVER.jpg)
Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 23, 2007, 11:38:17 PM
I'm not a big space nut, but why would a warping in time/space cause extreme levels of gravitational pull to be exerted on all objects around it?



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Post by: CajoleJuice on June 23, 2007, 11:39:09 PM
Gravity IS the warping of space/time.
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 23, 2007, 11:40:32 PM
Its kind of cool. Gravity is one of the few things scienes knows very little about, yet its everywhere and affects eveything.
Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: ToxicAdam on June 23, 2007, 11:45:24 PM
So then, is time different on Jupiter than it is on Earth? Since Jupiter would have the ability to warp space/time more (due to it's gravity)?






Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 23, 2007, 11:47:57 PM
So then, is time different on Jupiter than it is on Earth? Since Jupiter would have the ability to warp space/time more (due to it's gravity)?

I think this is correct but its such a small difference that its not noticeable.



Title: Re: Black holes aren't really black holes.
Post by: BlueTsunami on June 23, 2007, 11:48:31 PM
So then, is time different on Jupiter than it is on Earth? Since Jupiter would have the ability to warp space/time more (due to it's gravity)?

I believe the densitiy of Black Holes exceeds that of planets by an insane amount. So the jump (as far as gravity is concerned) is probably very small between Earth and Jupiter when you factor in a Black Hole (and what it would take to cause such a distortion in Space and Time).
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Post by: FlameOfCallandor on June 23, 2007, 11:50:09 PM
Black holes are like infinite density its insane to even comprehend.
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Post by: CajoleJuice on June 23, 2007, 11:50:20 PM
Yea, it's very much like how time slows down as something travels faster, but most of the time, the speed difference is such a small fraction of the speed of light that it's negligible.
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Post by: ToxicAdam on June 23, 2007, 11:50:36 PM
Ok, that makes sense.

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Post by: MrAngryFace on June 24, 2007, 01:30:04 AM
Old news.