She's pro-drilling in the Alaskan Wildlife for fossil fuels.
As are a lot of Alaskans. BTW isn't she a creationist?So she's pro-drilling for devil-trickery fuels.
She is pro-life, and recently gave birth to a child with downs instead of getting an abortion. Her other son is going to Iraq next month.
Sarah Palin Is an Anagram for “A Sharp Nail”
posted by Brendan Kiley on August 29 at 10:12 AM
A sharp nail straight into my heart. She’s killing my longstanding fantasy—that McCain would rediscover his maverick backbone and use this campaign to hurl evangelicals off the Republican train and put out the call to Goldwater conservatives to take back their hijacked party.
But this Palin is a “conservative Christian,” fiercely pro-life, and pundits on the Christian Broadcasting Network are wetting their tight little khakis over her selection. From Dr. Land, at the Southern Baptist Convention:
Governor Palin is a vice-presidential selection which shows that John McCain at the age of 72 today is still able to think outside the box. Governor Palin will delight the Republican base. She is pro-life. She is an avid hunter and member of The National Rifle Association and is both a conservationist and someone who avidly believes in exploiting our fossil fuel resources as well as developing other forms of energy. A mother of five and a background as a television commentator makes her appear to be a very solid candidate for appealing to a lot of women who feel that Senator Clinton was treated disrespectfully by the Obama camp.
Great. Just great. Nothing would’ve been better for the party than to ditch its social-conservative/fiscally-spendy/Rapture-Ready wing and embrace its better, more Goldwater half. (Plus, McCain, as a former POW, could’ve killed the sharpest criticism of Goldwater—that he was dumb about Vietnam—by saying he understands all too well the cost of that war, blah blah blah.)
But this Palin chick is suffocating the dream. And sucking all the dramatic tension out of the Convention, which I’d hoped would be a Night of Long Knives, in which McCain and his band of secret agnostic assassins slit the throats of jerkbags who look like this:
I blame Obama and the wedgies he shoved into the evangelical base.
Now, by picking Palin, McCain’s put himself in bed with people who write crap like this (from an evangelical blog):
I have been amazed at the number of younger evangelicals (early career and college) that are flocking to Obama. He has the mark of cain and is proud of it, yet that seems not to matter to them.
Mark of Cain? Ugh.
McCain could’ve done the right thing—lost the election while getting rid of the most pernicious force in American politics since racism. But he had to go and pick Palin for vice president.
She’ll always be McCain’s vice to me.
So now we've learned that Sarah Palin is McCain's choice for nominee. I have to say. It's a daring pick but I think a very weak pick. I'm perfectly happy with it. Palin is in the midst of a reasonably serious scandal in her home state. Her brother-in-law is a state trooper who is in the midst of an ugly custody battle with her sister. And she's accused of getting the state police to fire him. Recently she was forced to admit that one of her aides had done this, though she insists she didn't know.
And if that happens guess who'll be there in 2012 to set things right: Hillary Clinton. The importance and possible consequences of today can't be over stated
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BrandNew, take a bow. :bow :bow2
edit: you should make it say "taps dat ass", would be even bettar.
Well some of them anyway...
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26089
AM SO EXCITED, I'M HEADING TO ALASKA,
YES YES YES YES YES
VOLUNTEER, I'M IN, I'M READY,DONATE, TIME, WHATEVER, MY VOTE GOES TO MCCAIN/PALIN ALL THE WAY, I'M RUNNING BACK AND FORTH, CANNOT SIT DOWN, I'M CLIMBING THE WALLS
VOTE
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
OFF TO MAKE DONATION TO MCCAIN
If he wins ill just let europeans call us stupid without trying to discuss it with them anymore
Well some of them anyway...
http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=26089
hillary1 says:QuoteAM SO EXCITED, I'M HEADING TO ALASKA,
YES YES YES YES YES
VOLUNTEER, I'M IN, I'M READY,DONATE, TIME, WHATEVER, MY VOTE GOES TO MCCAIN/PALIN ALL THE WAY, I'M RUNNING BACK AND FORTH, CANNOT SIT DOWN, I'M CLIMBING THE WALLS
VOTE
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
MCCAIN/PALIN
OFF TO MAKE DONATION TO MCCAIN
Jesus christ. Fucking distinguished mentally-challenged, excitable moron.
McCain has picked PALIN!!! I am THRILLED! AS for the Dums whining that she doens't have experience running things--SHE HAS FIVE KIDS!! TRUST ME! SHE KNOWS HOW TO RUN THINGS!
There are far too many "feminists" who supported Hillary because of her sex and not her platform. McCain's choice of Palin is brilliant in that it exploits this common blasphemy of feminism. I'm deeply worried by this, in that a number of these voters vowed that they wouldn't vote for Obama simply because Hillary lost. Despite Palin's contempt for reproductive rights and other important feminist issues, they'll vote for McCain because it embodies their daytime talk show conception of feminism.
Stellie, New Mexico, USA
She has 2 years of experience. How can republicans rap on Obama for this? Obama has about 7 years total political experience.
This is an insult to Hillary Clinton and women, the only reason Sarah was picked was because she is very attractive, so she's just eye candy to replace McCain who is like a zombie.
It also doesn't help Sarah wants creationism to be taught in school.
She isn't a reformer, she's a FAR right conservative, who should be at home taking care of her down syndrome child.
William, San Diego
The real emancipation will be when newspapers can report about a politician without mentioning what is between their legs.
[miriam22]
This decision places the judgment of the two candidates in stark
contrast. Obama chose someone with substantial foreign policy experience and credibility who brings much to the table. McCain, on the other hand, opted to pander to former Clinton supporters by choosing a woman, with zero experience. Unfortunately, McCain did not realize that Ms. Palin was the antithesis of Clinton, in being pro-life and pro-gun. Which person had the best interest of the country in mind? Obama wins hands down.
Pat Watson, Rowley, MA USA
Todd and Sarah fish in Bristol Bay with their children – Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig.
"THIS IS OUR TIME" NOOOOOOO SKREW THE BLAK PEOPLE WOMEN HAD IT HARDER WE SLAVES SINCE EVE RITE GRRL POWR
Doesn't she realize the more we drill for oil, the closer we are to opening a portal to hell?
I don't think McCain has the regional experience to understand the complex relationship between the mortal sinners and the venial sinners, and the impact of that relationship on the region of hell as a whole. This doesn't even begin to touch upon the subject of limbo, which has been wanting to breakaway for years.
like some people i knowI don't think McCain has the regional experience to understand the complex relationship between the mortal sinners and the venial sinners, and the impact of that relationship on the region of hell as a whole. This doesn't even begin to touch upon the subject of limbo, which has been wanting to breakaway for years.
Of course he doesn't have the experience to understand mortal and venial sin. He's not a filthy pedo Catholic.
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>_>
Speaking of filthy Catholics, Palin was a Pat Buchanan supporter in the 2000 primaries (http://www.thenation.com/blogs/jstreet/350730/sarah_palin_buchananite).
Guess I can start hating her in earnest now.
:lolspoiler (click to show/hide)are you calling barack "hussein" obama a pedo?[close]
She hunts, eats moose hamburger, ice fishes, rides snowmobiles, and owns a float plane. Palin holds a lifetime membership with the National Rifle Association. In December 2007, Palin posed for a photo spread in the fashion magazine Vogue.
From NBC's Mark Murray and NBC/NJ's Adam Aigner-Treworgy
The McCain camp has just released a tick-tock of how the Palin pick came to be. And according to it, McCain had met her just one time prior to yesterday.
The tick-tock from McCain communications director Jill Hazelbaker:
"John McCain first met Governor Sarah Palin at the National Governors Association meeting in Washington in February of 2008 and came away extraordinarily impressed. John McCain followed her career and admired her tenacity and her many accomplishments. She was scheduled for a high profile speaking role at our convention and included in the VP selection process because of his admiration for her strong reform credentials. Last Sunday, Governor Palin and John McCain had a conversation over the phone. Governor Palin was at the Alaska State Fair, and John McCain was at his home at Phoenix. Previously, Rick Davis, John McCain’s campaign manager, had also been in regular contact with the Governor as part of the on-going selection process. This past week, Governor Palin arrived with Kris Perry in Flagstaff, Arizona, on Wednesday evening. Upon arrival, Governor Palin and her longtime aide Kris Perry met with Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter of the McCain campaign at Mr. Bob Delgado’s home in Flagstaff. Mr. Delgado is the CEO of the Hensley corporation, which is Mrs. Cindy McCain’s family business. On Thursday morning, Governor Palin and staff were joined by Mrs. Cindy McCain and later joined by John McCain at the McCain family home in Sedona, Arizona. At approximately 11:00 a.m. Thursday August 28, 2008, John McCain formally invited Governor Sarah Palin to join the Republican ticket as the vice presidential nominee on the deck of the McCain family home."
"Later that morning, John McCain departed for Phoenix and Governor Palin departed with staff to Flagstaff, Arizona. Governor Palin, Kris Perry, Steve Schmidt and Mark Salter proceeded to the Manchester Inn and Conference Center in Middleton, Ohio. They were checked into the hotel as the Upton Family. While there, Governor Palin’s children, who had been told they were going to Ohio to celebrate their parents’ wedding anniversary, were told for the first time that their mother would be a nominee for Vice President of the United States of America."
"Today, John McCain was proud to announce that Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, a proven-reformer, will share a partnership with him to shake things up in Washington and to make government more effective for American families."
So basically he said "who will make the most news" and Palin came out ahead?
"Senator McCain is such a maverick that he can make seemingly politically capricious and wholly nonsensical decisions at the drop of a hat just to undercut the effect of one speech. In choosing Governor Palin he is willing to bet that her lack of experience and the 15 minutes he spoke to her makes her an excellent choice for the job of president of the United States of America if he dies, which is a strong possibility."
interesting...
the criminal investigation over her allegedly firing a state trooper because he wouldn't fire a trooper who had a messy divorce with her sister is going to release their findings on October 31st...
my mom just found out about the pick. her response was almost exactly like some of the mom responses I saw on GAF:
"her infant is distinguished mentally-challenged? shouldn't she be home taking care of him?"
not the most politically correct wording, but still= :bow
I'm still in shock. Having a hard time processing what happened today. My wife absolutely hates the pick - thinks McCain is stoopit if he thinks he can convince women to vote for him just because he chose a woman. It wouldn't surprise me if there's some backlash from women because she's attractive too.
In Palin's defense she's bold enough to call out global warming as not being a man-made phenomenon.
I also read that after there was some state wildlife report about how polar bears should be listed as endangered, she asked her own team to have their own study. They concluded the same thing.
She still said, "Well, I interpret the results of this expert study by scientists as saying polar bears shouldn't be listed as endangered. My decision is based on science."
— Mayoral performance. Palin, who portrays herself as a fiscal conservative, racked up nearly $20 million in long-term debt as mayor of the tiny town of Wasilla — that amounts to $3,000 per resident. She argues that the debt was needed to fund improvements.
Palin is two days of headlines and two months of headaches for the GOP.
The reason why the punditry is going bananas over the pick is that it defies all logic and everyone is seeking some rational reasoning as to why McCain picked her-the Occam's Razor explanation for the selection (complete, gross miscalculation and incompetence) is just too devastating to the McCain campaign.
Also, every liberal and a good chunk of the reasonable moderates in the country are quietly-though they aren't going to admit it-looking at her views of science, aborition, contraception, global warming, the environment, and energy and thinking to themselves "shit, if that old fuck dies we are going to be stuck with THAT monster". Did no one think of the consequences of putting a hard-line movement conservative on the ticket?
I swear, part of me thinks that the GOP is using 2000 or 2004 era voter registration numbers to determine policy. If they wanted to win, they'd take their own smaller base for granted and run to the center, and hope that fear of the abortion holocaust and The Godless Communism would scare them up enough to get out and vote.
Palin is two days of headlines and two months of headaches for the GOP.
The reason why the punditry is going bananas over the pick is that it defies all logic and everyone is seeking some rational reasoning as to why McCain picked her-the Occam's Razor explanation for the selection (complete, gross miscalculation and incompetence) is just too devastating to the McCain campaign.
Also, every liberal and a good chunk of the reasonable moderates in the country are quietly-though they aren't going to admit it-looking at her views of science, aborition, contraception, global warming, the environment, and energy and thinking to themselves "shit, if that old fuck dies we are going to be stuck with THAT monster". Did no one think of the consequences of putting a hard-line movement conservative on the ticket?
I swear, part of me thinks that the GOP is using 2000 or 2004 era voter registration numbers to determine policy. If they wanted to win, they'd take their own smaller base for granted and run to the center, and hope that fear of the abortion holocaust and The Godless Communism would scare them up enough to get out and vote.
Great post
I was at my dad's practice today cleaning up and the hygienists (all female) were talking about this...and every single one kept pointing out the fact that she has an infant but will be campaigning for vice president instead of raising him; the fact that he's a special needs child wasn't even the big deal, it was the fact that this is a new born.
Somewhere along the line, [Bush] was going to go with Quayle. He didn't tell [James A.] Baker that. . . . He didn't tell anybody that. I have no argument with his choice, but if you're going to pick a young, totally unknown senator from a state like Indiana, you'd better use the political process to see how it's going to work. . . . [He] should have made sure that Quayle's name was leaked so that it could be bounced around, so that the press could go do their vetting. . . . The first vetting Quayle gets is New Orleans [site of the Republican National Convention], where there are 5,000 animals who don't know who he is and are mad because they hadn't guessed who it could be. . . .
I go to Baker and Bush, and I say, "What do you want me to do with this guy?" By this time, they're in a state of shock. . . . I don't get any good answers. The answers were sort of a shrug: "Do what you want to do."
I looked at them and said, "Okay, I'm going to go out and bury the son of a bitch. We've got 90 days, and all they can do is harm you. He's going to every burg in America. He's not going to any high press level towns. He's going to do nothing." They didn't say no. . . .
After about 10 to 15 days of that, Quayle figured out what I was doing. . . . I don't lie very much, so when Dan asked me, I told him, ". . .You got off to a bum start, and it's not your fault. But you can't save George Bush. You can't win for George Bush. You can't do anything but be a problem for George Bush unless we do this right."
Yeah I was about to post that link for you to read Mandark.
I think it explains why there was never a serious trial balloon for Palin. The whole thing reeks of irrational behavior and terrible arrogance on McCain's part regarding what his campaign needs.
If he's wrong about Palin-and right now it looks like he is judging from pundit responses and overall WTF moments from the country-he's not just going to sink his own campaign, he's going to bring down the rest of the party with him. Had his advisors known sooner they would have done something to step in and force Pawlenty down the ticket's throat.
(btw that WashPost article is great)
I'm going to bed. On a final note, perhaps we should congratulate John McCain - not for handling Obama
I'm going to bed. On a final note, perhaps we should congratulate John McCain - not for handling Obama the election, or proving his lack of judgment, or anything like that. This election season started out with more than 20 people running for president, and John McCain managed to choose a vice president with less experience or "qualifications" than every single one of them. That's not maverick status: that's MacGyver status
I love the bit about Ford agreeing to be Reagan's VP but only if he secretly ran the White House.
QuoteI love the bit about Ford agreeing to be Reagan's VP but only if he secretly ran the White House.
This was also my response when I got offered a job writing software for a defense contractor.spoiler (click to show/hide)I'd tell you how they answered but it's classified.[close]
re. Willco's mom, I expect that to be a common reaction from fencesitters. This pick was based on reactionary splashiness, not wisdom or suitability. His campaign has sunk several of their talking points against Obama at no clear gain to themselves. After the hype dies down I think this will be shown as an incredible negative.
That said the debates should be AWESOME!
Yeah I was about to post that link for you to read Mandark.
I think it explains why there was never a serious trial balloon for Palin. The whole thing reeks of irrational behavior and terrible arrogance on McCain's part regarding what his campaign needs.
If he's wrong about Palin-and right now it looks like he is judging from pundit responses and overall WTF moments from the country-he's not just going to sink his own campaign, he's going to bring down the rest of the party with him. Had his advisors known sooner they would have done something to step in and force Pawlenty down the ticket's throat.
Not picking Pawlenty is a big mistake, imo. People talk about Obama competing in the south, but he's going to win because he can appeal to people in the mid-west and western states- Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, and the western triumvirate of Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada. Palin really doesn't fuck with that. Picking Pawlenty makes it at least HARD to win one of those states, and probably saves Coleman's Senate seat in the bargain. Now Pawlenty is apparently pissed at McCain for jerking him around and going in a bizarre direction at the last second. Haha.
Not picking Pawlenty is a big mistake, imo. People talk about Obama competing in the south, but he's going to win because he can appeal to people in the mid-west and western states- Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, and the western triumvirate of Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada. Palin really doesn't fuck with that. Picking Pawlenty makes it at least HARD to win one of those states, and probably saves Coleman's Senate seat in the bargain. Now Pawlenty is apparently pissed at McCain for jerking him around and going in a bizarre direction at the last second. Haha.
Agree with all that. Having slept on this its easy to see the disaster Palin will be.
You got a link for Pawlenty being pissed?
Once again internet message boards prove how out of touch they are with reality. She is a great choice and I don't think it could have been better. She couldn't be further away from washington. She has a record of fightig corruption and she a hard working american.
Outside of the basement dwellers and libs she is seen as a great choice.
And what kind of argument is "she has a distinguished mentally-challenged infant she needs to take care of it, why didn't she abort it?" Is just a fucking silly argument.
I think that's for her to decide not pimply internet nerds.
Oh I forgot you guys get butthurt when you can't tell people what to do.
I think that's for her to decide not pimply internet nerds.
Oh I forgot you guys get butthurt when you can't tell people what to do.
How are they confused? Strong woman wants to be the vp.
Would you guys be saying this if it was a father of 5?
Didn't think so sexist hypocrite.
If I were in your shoes sd, I'd be most pissed that the candidate most likely to pick someone to help shut out the evangelical yahoos from the party instead went with a paleo-conservative nutbar.
what the hell does her ability to abort have anything to do with the 'she aint be takin care of her offspringz' argument? All i am saying is that the 'childrearing' argument can only apply through a sexist perspective and not through an actual legit argument perspective. Would people be having this argument if it was Mr. Palin who was chosen?@Frag: excellent post
@ 'she should be taking care of kids': wtf guys? Would you be thinking the same if it was Palin's husband that was picked? I can't believe so many peopel - and all the women too like willco's - are actually avoiding Palin BECAUSE of her 'not taking care' of her disabled kid. You can be disgusted of Palin for a million other reasons - which is what i am doing - but that?
???
Hey, they can't have it both ways. In custody battles women tend to win because a child needs a mother. Women can decide on an abortion even if the father did/didn't want to have the kid.
I'm just being a contrarian, btw
I thought Pawlenty was pretty much a lock for veep, but I doubt he'll be miffed for more than a day.
Watching her speech in PA right now.....and I'm getting really nervous. She's a pretty damned good speaker and she is absolutely trying to appeal to those Hilary supporters - referring to those women as "18 millions cracks in the glass ceiling that will break through this November" (well, paraphrasing sorta...).
Man oh man...
I don't think this is going to end well :gloomy
The only fault of evilbore (and GAF by extension) is that everybody relies too much on what their mama said. That being said these middle class women will be her most fierecest critics. She doesn't have the luxury of having a single grown child hence her family life will be under scrutiny especially regarding her attitude to her newborn and her political aspirations. Considering she is more 'glamourous' than Hillary I expect to see the nit picking on her appearence and manner to be ten fold.
I mean their are easy comparsions between her and Bush for the Democrats to exploit.
i've heard many females say they wanted Hillary on the simple basis that "it's about time we had a woman in charge"
:-\
i've heard many females say they wanted Hillary on the simple basis that "it's about time we had a woman in charge"I'd like to give those pumas out there some credit and hope that they realise Palin is not Hillary even with policy differences aside.
:-\
A counter to the outpouring of pro-Palin people from Dem campaign sources in Ohio:http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/
We've had multiple diehard Hillary supporters come into our office yesterday and today and say that HRC's speech didn't sway them and neither did Obama's, but they resent the Palin pick as trying to manipulate them and think it's insulting to compare her to Hillary, and they have gone from sitting this out to volunteering for Barack.
There is a backlash we're seeing among HRC supporters who are now coming over.
The Palin choice reminds me of Michael Steele being tapped as Lt. Governor and later Senate candidate in Maryland.
The state GOP figured that black voters would support him because he's black. He never broke with GOP orthodoxy on anything important to the black community and when Republican governor Ehrlich visited an all-white private country club Steele said something along the lines of "I don't follow golf."
You can guess how all that worked out.
QuoteI love the bit about Ford agreeing to be Reagan's VP but only if he secretly ran the White House.
This was also my response when I got offered a job writing software for a defense contractor.spoiler (click to show/hide)I'd tell you how they answered but it's classified.[close]
The selection of Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate "has electrified conservative activists, providing a boost of energy to the GOP nominee-in-waiting from a key constituency that had been previously had been lukewarm -- at best -- about him," according to Politico.http://politicalwire.com/
"By tapping the anti-abortion and pro-gun Alaska governor just ahead of his convention, which is set to start here Monday, McCain hasn't just won approval from a skeptical Republican base -- he's ignited a wave of elation and emotion that has led some grassroots activists to weep with joy."
David Brody: "I'm telling you folks. The Evangelical base is revved up about this pick. A McCain campaign source told me that there is so much excitement from the Evangelical community about this pick that it's making their head spin."
After the ruling Democrats introduced a Lily Ledbetter equal pay act to clarify the 180 days as starting from the last unfair paycheck. The GOP blocked it (in the Senate I think).
QuoteThe selection of Sarah Palin as John McCain's running mate "has electrified conservative activists, providing a boost of energy to the GOP nominee-in-waiting from a key constituency that had been previously had been lukewarm -- at best -- about him," according to Politico.http://politicalwire.com/
"By tapping the anti-abortion and pro-gun Alaska governor just ahead of his convention, which is set to start here Monday, McCain hasn't just won approval from a skeptical Republican base -- he's ignited a wave of elation and emotion that has led some grassroots activists to weep with joy."
David Brody: "I'm telling you folks. The Evangelical base is revved up about this pick. A McCain campaign source told me that there is so much excitement from the Evangelical community about this pick that it's making their head spin."
hm
plus her 16 year old daughter is preggers. You know, like Juno
http://www.spike.com/video/juno-like-city-in/2919340
we really really really really need more of these people. i mean, i disagree with them on many fronts but by god it's better than a far right theocracy. better than a christian iran that's poisoning the govtQuoteI love the bit about Ford agreeing to be Reagan's VP but only if he secretly ran the White House.
This was also my response when I got offered a job writing software for a defense contractor.spoiler (click to show/hide)I'd tell you how they answered but it's classified.[close]
If you don't mind me asking, what defense contractor was it?
Also, I was at my girlfriend's parents house for a family BBQ and her family (all hardcore evangelical Christians - my gf and I had a big fight about this that is still unsettled) and they all LOVE Palin. Go figure. Instead of being a "maverick" and attempting to bring the Republican party back to fiscal responsibility and smaller government, he attempts to tap into the evangelical base, the PUMAs who feel estranged by Hillary's loss, chicks who just want to see a chick in the White House, and those stupid people who will vote for McCain because "Palin's hot" (they're out there). It's a pretty shrewd move, I'll admit.
But on the other note, a few of my friends who are of the fiscal responsibility/smaller government/pro defense Republican type... absolutely hate the pick and now aren't voting for either.
Beforehand, if McCain won it wouldn't have been so bad (even though I've been probama from the start)... now, forget about it.
we really really really really need more of these people. i mean, i disagree with them on many fronts but by god it's better than a far right theocracy. better than a christian iran that's poisoning the govt
wait so palin tried to fool everyone that she was preggers, that kid with the down syndrome, and all that 'i'm keeping hte baby'
so that she could hide her 16yo sexcapades
to please the religious right?
Why would anyone travel like 16 hours after her water breaking to give birth to a premature baby in a bumblefuck little town instead of one of the two major cities she was present in in the interim?
Cohen, PM
As soon as she hits on it in a speech someone is going to either prove or disprove the story, but until then i can't see it being anything more than a personal issue that should be kept that way. As much as I dislike her politics, I can't condone bringing family business into the public sphere. However if she starts using the story as a sop to the religious right, and someone breaks it wide open, that is her fault.After the 'Obama is a muslim', I think the Democrats need all the help they can get and play dirty.
As soon as she hits on it in a speech someone is going to either prove or disprove the story, but until then i can't see it being anything more than a personal issue that should be kept that way. As much as I dislike her politics, I can't condone bringing family business into the public sphere. However if she starts using the story as a sop to the religious right, and someone breaks it wide open, that is her fault.After the 'Obama is a muslim', I think the Democrats need all the help they can get and play dirty.
That while she was busy playing politics, her family was falling apart?
FA: Have you given your mom info on Obama's positions and such? There are a lot of people who just refuse to look up any info on the man so they can just say "what do we REALLLY know about Obama?" smh. Most people agree that the economy is screwed up and that McCain is the same as Bush, they just don't trust Obama sadly
Ah so a woman in politics = playing??From a socially conservative view woman in politics = playing. Yes.
Ah so a woman in politics = playing??From a socially conservative view woman in politics = playing. Yes.
I was on my way to the gym when she called me so I didn't get to talk to her for more than 10 minutes, but I did give her some basics. Essentially, I told her she needs to stop paying attention to the smear ads and email forwards and start learning more for herself. I asked her how she felt about Roe v. Wade, about taxes, about the economy, and how she felt about Bush.
Ah ah ah :wag Those were your words buddy.Jesus learn about context and povs. How can you be socially conservative if you don't know what you believe in? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservatism
I consider myself socially conservative and I dont know wtf your talking about.
Ah ah ah :wag Those were your words buddy.Jesus learn about context and povs. How can you be socially conservative if you don't know what you believe in? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_conservatism
I consider myself socially conservative and I dont know wtf your talking about.
Mothers main aim in life is to care for their children and husbands and careers are always secondary in nature.
my mom also brought up the point that as women get older the chances of them conceiving a fucked up kid rise. it probably is her kid.
For fuck's sake "playing politics" doesn't mean "pretending" it means that someone is just making political moves for their personal gain.
So black people in politics are just "playing?"
smh @ beardo and his knee jerk reaction
That while she was busy playing politics, her family was falling apart?
"Playing politics" is a common enough term that opening it up to reinterpretation is pretty dumb, like cable news pundit grade dumb.
I don't know, I can easily imagine someone like Laura Schlessinger or Michale Coren, a socially conservative Canadian broadcaster, saying something like that.
"Playing politics" is a common enough term that opening it up to reinterpretation is pretty dumb, like cable news pundit grade dumb.
Not the way he used it.QuoteI don't know, I can easily imagine someone like Laura Schlessinger or Michale Coren, a socially conservative Canadian broadcaster, saying something like that.
I'll retract my posts if you can find a link to one of them saying that within the past 10 years.
John McCain is visibly uncomfortable talking about social issues, and when pressed on them, tends to veer between conservatism-in-a-can boilerplate (“marriage is a unique institution in our society and we have to protect it”) and a kind of jokey admission that he is giving you talking points. In New Hampshire last November, I pressed him on Mitt Romney’s assertion that the weakening of the American family will lead to the weakening of America as a whole. His answer? “Well, strong families are important for America… the most successful children come from strong families…. You need to strengthen the family,” and went on a bit in that vein before his voice took on a sarcastic tone and he added, “And every home should display the flag and every mother should cook apple pie once a week.” We arrived at our destination just as he finished his answer and as he got up to go do his town hall, he said, “Just in time.”I know context is a bit difficult to understand for you beardo, but here McCain is being cynical about what social conservatism proclaims.
Social conservatives believe in promoting traditional moral values and social mores to preserve and improve American society. They have been especially active in taking traditionalist positions on issues involving sexual standards and gender roles
Her glasses are kind of cool. I'd cum on them.
I'm tempted to go look at librarian milf porn just to see if i can find an exact match.
my mom also brought up the point that as women get older the chances of them conceiving a fucked up kid rise. it probably is her kid.
Triumph requested you be unbanned :o
Triumph requested you be unbanned :o
Triumph requested you be unbanned :o
I never thought Triumph would be more respectable than MAF.
They arent gonna cancel Ronstock. All the Ronvoys left already!They may scale it back, and besides even if they go full bore no one will pay any attention anyway, except perhaps to point out their lack of respect.
Rally for the Republic to Continue as Planned
We’ve been getting a lot of questions about the Rally schedule in light of the RNC’s plans to suspend activities on Monday.
Well, we’re moving forward as planned. Too many people have traveled too far and worked too hard to stop now.
Dr. Paul is a great guy, but he knows his limitations - and even he can’t control the weather Our thoughts and prayers will be with our fellow Americans in Louisiana and East Texas, but there is nothing important that bureaucrats and elected officials can do in this type of emergency - other than get in the way.
Politicians and bureaucrats have managed to relocate 18,000 people in the course of three days, many of whom would be stuck otherwise. But hey, don't budge from your political underpinnings, I certainly won't.
You guys were probably having some kind of philosophical melt down on the icon board.
MAF: I banzered FOC Haw HAW
Triumph: But then doesnt that make us as bad as neogaf when they ban people for no reason. Like Denis dyckface.
MAF: Nom nom nom
I certainly do. I'm also watching a much more organized response this time around. if it fails again, it fails again, but really who else are these people going to turn to? Big business?
Our thoughts and prayers will be with our fellow Americans in Louisiana and East Texas, but there is nothing important that bureaucrats and elected officials can do in this type of emergency - other than get in the way.Libertarianism at work. We'll pray for you unlike the that nasty government that actually will help you relocate and provide provisions.
Our thoughts and prayers will be with our fellow Americans in Louisiana and East Texas, but there is nothing important that bureaucrats and elected officials can do in this type of emergency - other than get in the way.Individuals thoughts and prayers vs. government action. ::)
So you don't want the government to have done what it's done so far? We're talking about now, not Katrina.
If I was an American citizen my taxes would be helping them and I would personally choose to donate to charities after the event. Unlike ah what's the point afrguing with a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.
So you don't want the government to have done what it's done so far? We're talking about now, not Katrina.
Tell the people to get the fuck out of dodge when shit is a comin!
What kind of dumbfucks need to be told more than once that a category 5 hurricane plus under sea level city = rape
Ah fuck this gay shit. Just ban me. What a pile of shit posters this place is. :lolGiving up so soon :'(
Asked about Palin's national security experience, Cindy McCain could not come up with anything beyond the fact that, after all, her state is right next to Russia. "You know, the experience that she comes from is, what she has done in government -- and remember that Alaska is the closest part of our continent to Russia."
how is she better? McCain is better than Palin
how is she better? McCain is better than Palin
I like that she wasnt afraid of reforming her own party in Alaska.
I feel like I stumbled into a room full of Digg users that cant stop reading huffington post or daily kos.Better than voting because she's 'hot'.
how is she better? McCain is better than Palin
I like that she wasnt afraid of reforming her own party in Alaska.
Yeah because there's nothing corrupt about whats going on with her ex brother-in-law. Doofus.
i know dailykos is a shit site but photographic evidence is hard t argue against. you know, if uyou're preggers, you're supposed to show.my mom also brought up the point that as women get older the chances of them conceiving a fucked up kid rise. it probably is her kid.
Besides the fact there isn't a shred of evidence other than innuendo from the usual hatemongering sites that don't posess a morsel of objectivity, this is the most likely explanation.
Nutroots crash and burn...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734 (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/31/234157/516/1017/581734)
Nex up is her naked pic.
i do appreciate the fact that foc's facile opposition to the democrats has caused him to defend a woman that is the very enemy of lolbertarianismIm not voting for her or anything. And she isnt the exact opposite.
I don't know much about politics, but I probably will need to go vote now. I just really know that there is a magazine with Obama and Biden smiling on the cover in my hallway, and every time I look at it I just think that both look ballin' and need to become the next president and vp.
I don't know much about politics, but I probably will need to go vote now. I just really know that there is a magazine with Obama and Biden smiling on the cover in my hallway, and every time I look at it I just think that both look ballin' and need to become the next president and vp.
I think ive seen that one, I agree
Why did fivethirtyeight.com shift so drastically in the last few days? Obama gained like 10 points in the pie chart and Virginia and Ohio are suddenly blue. No new polling data, am I missing something?
uh...appearently her daughter is preggers - 5 months :lolDun dun dun!
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/01/palin.daughter/index.html)
She'll keep it of course and of course marry the father. McCain knew when he picked her too.
What a fricking disaster...
WTF is up with the media and her daughter's pregnancy? It's like on every station. If that's the best they can dig up on this woman then :lol. That is about as relevent as Clinton getting a bj IMO.
Well, it's sex related so the media fixates on it. There's plenty of other shit on her, including the fact that she used to be a member of a political party dedicated to Alaskan independence; she hired a lobbyist to get shit tons of ear marks while she was mayor of Wasilia; she was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it; and she thinks that creationism should be taught in public schools. I find the fact that she's not the "reformer" that the McLame campaign is painting her as to be the most comical, myself.
WTF is up with the media and her daughter's pregnancy? It's like on every station. If that's the best they can dig up on this woman then :lol. That is about as relevent as Clinton getting a bj IMO.Not really considering her abstinence, anti-abortion platform etc.
Nobody will attack the 17 year old, people will attack Palin as a hypocrite, an abstinence monkey that can't preach to her own daughter or whatever else. Also when did middle class America have such low standards to think that a 17 year old pregnant should now be the norm?
Do I run for a political office? Do I shape public policy? It doesn't matter what I think or say I am not in the position Palin is or could be.
How many children at age 17 do you really think aren't sexually active?
Nobody will attack the 17 year old, people will attack Palin as a hypocrite, an abstinence monkey that can't preach to her own daughter or whatever else. Also when did middle class America have such low standards to think that a 17 year old pregnant should now be the norm?You are so right even though the real reason is that Palin was rarely at home to be a mother since she is a high ranking politician.
You are so right even though the real reason is that Palin was rarely at home to be a mother since she is a high ranking politician.
I think the dem's find it easier to paint her as a hypocrite instead of a career minded woman.You are so right even though the real reason is that Palin was rarely at home to be a mother since she is a high ranking politician.
This doesn't sound much better.
"I avoided my family responsibilities to pursue a career - children be damned!"
Maybe if that's the case, she shouldn't have had kids.
BUT A REPUBLICAN HOUSEHOLD DICTATES THAT YOU NEED TWO PARENTS. WITHOUT A MOTHER AND A FATHER, THE CHILD COULD TURN FULL BLOWN HOMO.
Well what sucks for people like me who are fiscally conservative is that I can't vote for either candidate. I'm stuck with Barr, he's alright I guess but still... he has no shot and everyone knows it.
you have no principles that aren't shallow and childish, foc, so keep your silence while your betters are speaking
You should vote based on your principles not who is gonna win. This isn't a popularity contest.
you have no principles that aren't shallow and childish, foc, so keep your silence while your betters are speaking
B-b-but im not responsible for my own opinions remember.
To Shogun:
I think you're taking it a bit too far. To be honest, it's the media and pundits that's talking it up so much, I haven't really seen any word from either Obama or McCain regarding the matter. And I don't think either party would stoop that low during the debates to try and rally some support; it'd come off more as a bellow-the-belt dickmove than anything.
To Shogun:
I think you're taking it a bit too far. To be honest, it's the media and pundits that's talking it up so much, I haven't really seen any word from either Obama or McCain regarding the matter. And I don't think either party would stoop that low during the debates to try and rally some support; it'd come off more as a bellow-the-belt dickmove than anything.
Well actually Obama rejected this saying people's families shouldn't be brought into this which I applaud him for he couldn't be more right. I guess I view the pundits registered to either party as part of the party though if that makes since :-\
you have no principles that aren't shallow and childish, foc, so keep your silence while your betters are speaking
B-b-but im not responsible for my own opinions remember.
you have no principles that aren't shallow and childish, foc, so keep your silence while your betters are speaking
B-b-but im not responsible for my own opinions remember.
so your "principles" are merely opinions? no surprise, there!
The biggest problem with Palin is the hypocritical nature of it all. McCain definitely shot himself in the foot.
I don't disagree with that at all. But, doesn't Biden fall under the same category? Obama wants to end the influence of lobbyists in Washington, yet picks a guy who's son lobbied for a bankruptcy bill that he played an important role in getting passed. And now people are paying the price during this housing mess.
They're going after Palin because 1) she's not Hillary and 2) she's an easy target because she's unknown.
QuoteHow many children at age 17 do you really think aren't sexually active?
*raises hand*
:'(
I'm just waiting for this pregnancy business to pass so that the media can get down to business on her ties to the Alaskan Independence Party.
http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/9687
QuoteHow many children at age 17 do you really think aren't sexually active?
*raises hand*
:'(
meet any hot girls at collage yet?
Why is that a negative.
Why is that a negative.
:spin
AKIP members apparently hold differing views on the statehood question and it's not clear if Palin was ever in favor of full Alaskan independence.
Supporting Palin despite EVERYTHING shows a huge lack of sense.
QuoteHow many children at age 17 do you really think aren't sexually active?
*raises hand*
:'(
meet any hot girls at collage yet?
Some, but as a habit and lifestyle, I'm just socially inept. I like to be alone a lot of the time. I'm trying to talk to some of them though, so eh.
You already have shown the problem - it takes far too many dots to connect to make a worthwhile attack against Obama, regardless if they're connected or not. It's harder to form an attack of BIDEN'S SON LOBBIED FOR A BILL THAT BIDEN HELPED PASS than it is of PALIN'S DAUGHTER IS PREGNANT LOL ABSTINENCE and PALIN GOT PORK SPENDING, McCAIN IS DIRECTLY OPPOSTED TO THAT and PALIN ABUSED HER POWER.
Palin's weakness is the same as Obama's, inexperience. Her strength is energy.
Why is that a negative.
:spinQuoteAKIP members apparently hold differing views on the statehood question and it's not clear if Palin was ever in favor of full Alaskan independence.
So she supported a third party. Is that a crime to you people?
I'm pretty sure I could get a bestseller out of a book series that focuses on the nation's first Native American vice president who solves mysteries in his polar bear form.
Why is that a negative.
:spinQuoteAKIP members apparently hold differing views on the statehood question and it's not clear if Palin was ever in favor of full Alaskan independence.
So she supported a third party. Is that a crime to you people?
This is all irrelevant anyway - John McCain will be President and then we will just look at her sway her MILF bottom through the press.
Why is that a negative.
:spinQuoteAKIP members apparently hold differing views on the statehood question and it's not clear if Palin was ever in favor of full Alaskan independence.
So she supported a third party. Is that a crime to you people?
she supported a party that wanted her state out of the country, but now she wants to lead the country. do you see how that is funny?
foc, it's illegal for a state to secede. the problem isn't that she was in some third party that no one has ever heard about. the problem is that the party that she supported was in favor of denying the authority of the entire constitution. that's a bad platform for a vp pick.
The biggest problem with Palin is the hypocritical nature of it all. McCain definitely shot himself in the foot.
I don't disagree with that at all. But, doesn't Biden fall under the same category? Obama wants to end the influence of lobbyists in Washington, yet picks a guy who's son lobbied for a bankruptcy bill that he played an important role in getting passed. And now people are paying the price during this housing mess.
They're going after Palin because 1) she's not Hillary and 2) she's an easy target because she's unknown.
Errr, the Prohibition is a horrible example. It was REVERSED.
ummmm...not really.
have her leave her hippie dippie conservationist man for a new big oil boyfriend which like eat pray love you can use to make a stand about women's sexuality.
somehow
Unless Rev. Wright wanted to create his own party, try to secede from the United States and get a whole lot of black people to join him how is this same?
How can you be all for America if you wanted to break away from it?
holy fuck, she's a pentecostal? YIKES PLUS.
foc, you don't even know what socialism is -- and there are indeed parts of the constitution (and the bill of rights) that are common to the tenets of socialism. (socialism and democracy are quite compatible, after all.) last i checked, your cult goddess ayn rand wasn't a founding father, although her giant jaw probably coulda beat even thomas paine's in a straight match-up
holy fuck, she's a pentecostal? YIKES PLUS.
foc, you don't even know what socialism is -- and there are indeed parts of the constitution (and the bill of rights) that are common to the tenets of socialism. (socialism and democracy are quite compatible, after all.) last i checked, your cult goddess ayn rand wasn't a founding father, although her giant jaw probably coulda beat even thomas paine's in a straight match-up
holy fuck, she's a pentecostal? YIKES PLUS.
foc, you don't even know what socialism is -- and there are indeed parts of the constitution (and the bill of rights) that are common to the tenets of socialism. (socialism and democracy are quite compatible, after all.) last i checked, your cult goddess ayn rand wasn't a founding father, although her giant jaw probably coulda beat even thomas paine's in a straight match-up
The founding fathers new that democracy was only the means to and end the end being complete personal liberty. Something that will never come close to happening in a huge bureaucratic socialist system. All you have to do is ask yourself why was the american revolution fought. It was fought essentially over taxes, something that socialists have a love affair with.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
you can say boboobobo huffington, but she said this stuff. Sigh PROOF?
SARAH PALIN, L33t HAX0R: http://valleywag.com/5044455/sarah-palin-++-beauty-queen-sportscaster-hacker
This picture is NOT Sarah Palin. It's Sabine Ehrenfeld from the Overstock advertisements. I know it makes your stories seem more interesting but please check your facts.:lol :lol :lol
SARAH PALIN, L33t HAX0R: http://valleywag.com/5044455/sarah-palin-++-beauty-queen-sportscaster-hackerQuoteThis picture is NOT Sarah Palin. It's Sabine Ehrenfeld from the Overstock advertisements. I know it makes your stories seem more interesting but please check your facts.:lol :lol :lol
i think http://www.hillaryis44.org is replacing the free republic forums as my favorite batshit crazy post-work web stop
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
you can say boboobobo huffington, but she said this stuff. Sigh PROOF?
i think http://www.hillaryis44.org is replacing the free republic forums as my favorite batshit crazy post-work web stop
Those are some certifiably insane ramblings. I can't decipher what they're trying to say.
What's their stance on the Palin selection by McCain? Do they like it?
Campbell Brown owning Tucker Bounds caused McCain to cancel an interview with Larry King :lol
Campbell Brown owning Tucker Bounds caused McCain to cancel an interview with Larry King :lol
All politics aside, she is the MILFINGEST milf I have ever laid eyes on. My goodness.
Obvious photoshop. I don't know why the GOP is so embarrassed by the female form.All politics aside, she is the MILFINGEST milf I have ever laid eyes on. My goodness.
...er
(http://www.rightwingnews.com/graphics/notpalin.jpg)
oohhhhhhh, that wicked george soros and his philanthropy and his billions of european funny money! HOW DARE THE RICH TRY TO ADVANCE THE COMMON GOOD, HOW DARE THEY
outside of the principles being opinions, I don't know where I'd disagree with him and agree with you. Principles are strongly held opinions that can't be shaken by some pundit, politician, or wikipedia very easily..but I still hold them in the opinion camp I guess.
oohhhhhhh, that wicked george soros and his philanthropy and his billions of european funny money! HOW DARE THE RICH TRY TO ADVANCE THE COMMON GOOD, HOW DARE THEY
They're already starting!
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/sarah_palin_deeply_threatening.html
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/palin_has_pushed_the_left_over.html
Quote from: The Good Professorgood thing i was bored enough to scroll up!
Does this mean you're watching the RNC too? Fuck, this is awful. I'm really trying to be "fair" in viewing both parties conventions, but this is god fucking awful. I'd rather Watch CSPAN7 during a congressional recess than this snoozefest.
Which is why we should all take responsibility for that failing now and put him in a box until we can conceive of a proper re-education regimen for him.
Which is why we should all take responsibility for that failing now and put him in a box until we can conceive of a proper re-education regimen for him.
indeed, i think we've suffered the fool for our sins long enough
send him to karl's kamp for marxist re-education
Quote from: The Good Professorgood thing i was bored enough to scroll up!
Does this mean you're watching the RNC too? Fuck, this is awful. I'm really trying to be "fair" in viewing both parties conventions, but this is god fucking awful. I'd rather Watch CSPAN7 during a congressional recess than this snoozefest.
Apparently I'm part of "the angry left" that John McCain will never give into. At least according to Dear Leader.