Looks like the election's all sewn up now:
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How many debates have been confirmed as of now, if any?
At this time, I pretty much have a media black out from the usual rampant stupidity that runs amok with the media so I'm kind of in the dark. However, I'd still love to see the debates, especially the VP debate.
:lol I originally bought it so I could watch the Detroit Tigers this season while I'm at work. What a shit season this has been. A Dem victory is the only way to salvage an otherwise awful 2008.
I can't stand listening to Palin talk. Her speaking skills are simply awful.
I mean, I know these are all scripted speeches, but it shouldn't be so blatantly obvious.
UGHH McCain bringing up the Bridge to Nowhere. Do people really pay eat this stuff up? Earlier on The Morning Joe, Scarborough made it sound irrelevant that Palin used to be in support of the Bridge because she opposed it once she was in office. :-\
I changed my xbl gamer tag to OBAMA O8 so I can convince those racist halo 3 players
After their speeches, Palin and McCain ducked into The Chocolate Factory to greet customers and sign autographs. After Palin met a few people, she turned to the ice cream counter and said: "I've got to get the moose tracks, please. Moose tracks, you know, near and dear to my heart. I can't go wrong with it." She was handed a waffle cone with a giant scoop.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBtpyeLxVkI -- Analysis of the population of Wasilla.
Scott from VGcats. You made this video go from "Popular" to "Rediculously Popular" and thats totally awesome. Thanks a ton Scott.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/palin_power_fresh_face_now_more_popular_than_obama_mccain
Not looking good for the dems, I guess people bought into her narrative. Still she has interviews to do and even though their going to prep her to hell and back she still might slip.
Watching the footage of the morons rioting at the RNC made me think that these people have no other means of communicating with the outside world. They look like chimps trying to learn to communicate by banging sticks together. The only people that can understand them is others of their own kind. Typical liberal socialism disguised as freedom of speech: "Say whatever you want as long as we agree with you." Liberals, are you ashamed to say you share the same political views as those who will damage property in the name of silencing opposing opinions? Discuss. BTW, I am not talking bad about liberals in general. To each their own. Only the pathetic filth I saw who actually had the nerve to be surprised when they get arrested.
This is Obama's community service! He is a freakin' foaming at the mouth radical in sheep's clothing. His past and present associations are enough to make even your average liberal cringe.
LOL Just an interesting note: Lenin was once a street agitating, community organizer. I'm not talking about John!
Awesome, the next VP of the United States is a book banning, snake handling Mayor of bumfuck Alaska. I'm downloading the French Rosetta Stone program right now and looking into what careers are in demand in Canada right now.
Fuck that. lyte edge, need a roommate? :-*Awesome, the next VP of the United States is a book banning, snake handling Mayor of bumfuck Alaska. I'm downloading the French Rosetta Stone program right now and looking into what careers are in demand in Canada right now.
You could get a shoo-in job working in the oil industry in Alberta.
Then again, Alberta is America-lite, sooo......
Skip the French though, you won't need it. :P
David Jaffe knows who he's voting for, and by voting for, I mean masturbate to like a blind monkey.:rofl
http://kotaku.com/5046237/david-jaffe-i-am-not-sexist-because-i-want-to-bone-sarah-palin
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The worst thing about Palin might be that Steven's re-election bid is looking a lot more solid than it was a few weeks ago. fuck
Stealing my punchline.
Right now at Google News there's a headline reading "McCain Camp Accuses Obama of Cynical Attempt to Play Victim".
Before this campaign is over my head will asplode.
The RNC and the Daily Show have reminded me just how much shameless dishonesty bugs me and how potentially effective a rhetorical weapon it is.
Palin scares me with how confidently she lies.
[youtube=425,350]9AknbG8LaEc[/youtube].The southern twang adds a nice touch.
i love the videos of her reading her speeches following along on the paper with her index finger
at first that may be rather striking but if you think about it it makes sense to control the message of the over all campaign
becaise palin is "relatable" -- the all-important characteristic for narcissistic republican ignoramuses
Republicans are basically banking on Americans being dumb enough to enough to eat up obvious lies.
Republicans are basically banking on Americans being dumb enough to enough to eat up obvious lies.
Also, wtf is a "hockey mom"?
What sort worries me is that there seemed to be a healthy amount of cynicism about Obama by black people during the primaries who he eventually won over. But Palin it seems doesn't get that trial of fire. It's understandable that conservative women are going crazy because they just want to win but what happened to the moderates?
Many of the more prominent republican female figures aren't happy about the Palin pick but of course they put on a very happy public face.???
The entire GOP is putting on a happy face, as I said. Privately it's a different matter.
The entire GOP is putting on a happy face, as I said. Privately it's a different matter. McCain didn't get to choose who he wanted, now he's throwing the weakest hail mary pass I've ever seen.
where's Triumph?
Welcome to the club BUT I hope you aren't getting down over these national polls. He's getting his convention bump, nothing amazing.
From what I heard the media has been obsessing over the pregnancy bullshit while not covering the substantiative stories, like the earmarks/bridge/troopergate/etc. The longer Palin hides the more these questions will pop up. Sucks that Charlie fucking Gibson is going to give her his trademark underhand softball "interview"
I believe you elite liberal snobs threw away american flags.
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wtf is that from
"Shit.
I know shit's bad right now, what with the dust storms and the economy and we're running out of burrito coverings."
I've never seen idiocracy either :(
Best speech ever.
"here's a solution. you're a dick"
dude did you see Kwame throw Jennifer Granholm under the bus? I wanted to puch the tv
that motherfucker will be back, mark my words
But as the past two weeks have shown, that success has a downside. When the vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin lamented media bias during her speech, attendees of the Republican convention loudly chanted “NBC.”
wtf is that from
wtf maurice you haven't seen motherfucking Idiocracy?
Ban this filth.
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Most people i've talked to liked the movie for its absurd and crude imagery. Expecting 'clever' from a movie called idiocracy?
I haven't seen Idiocracy but I get a strong vibe that it's better as a source of references and in-jokes than it is a movie.
Has anybody on this board noticed that the chancellor candidate of the German SPD (comparable to the US's Democrats) for next years election was announced? Do you even know the name of the current German Chancellor?
It's interesting, how the whole world is watching the american run for the presidency, yet most people don't even know who the presidents/Chancellors/Prime Ministers of most other countries in the G7 are...
Has anybody on this board noticed that the chancellor candidate of the German SPD (comparable to the US's Democrats) for next years election was announced? Do you even know the name of the current German Chancellor?
It's interesting, how the whole world is watching the american run for the presidency, yet most people don't even know who the presidents/Chancellors/Prime Ministers of most other countries in the G7 are...
Isn't Angela Merkel the German chancellor? Is the new candidate in the same party or not? Who's likely to win?
How conservative is the CDU? Would you compare them to the Republicans over here, or are you familiar enough with them to make the comparison? I'm curious about international politics, I keep hearing that the conservatives in Europe aside from the splinter racist groups are basically as conservative as moderate Democrats over here.
It's just almost unfathomable to me that we could elect a Republican after the last eight years. Not that there haven't been some good Republican leaders in the past, but aren't we kind of obligated to change the party in power at this point?
It seems to me that the fundamentalist Christians should be environmentalists given that the Bible commands people to exercise good stewardship over the earth, but for whatever reason they're perfectly fine with letting hundreds of species go extinct every year and all gung-ho about desecrating one of the finest nature preserves on earth for oil that will hardly make a difference if consumption trends don't change. My father is like this. Very conservative Christian, but he gives my sister and I a ton of shit about our environmentalist leanings. Makes no sense to me.Christians are also not supposed to kill other people, even when protecting yourself.
CNN Poll showing right now has them tied at 48%.
I'm breathing a *little* easier at the moment.
I dont get where he gets votes all of a sudden. People just cant be that stupid about Palin :(
I'll worry if McCain holds a lead after the debate. I'm still waiting to see if the media sharpens their claws on this trooper story, or it the GOP effectively chastened them post-convention.
For every Huffington Post or Dailykos article posted I should be able to legitimately use a Rush Limbaugh or Sean Hannity sound clip.
But I wont. Because, guess what, I dont listen to or read drivel.
Someone needs to open their borders for American refugees :(
I'll worry if McCain holds a lead after the debate. I'm still waiting to see if the media sharpens their claws on this trooper story, or it the GOP effectively chastened them post-convention.
I'll worry if McCain holds a lead after the debate. I'm still waiting to see if the media sharpens their claws on this trooper story, or it the GOP effectively chastened them post-convention.
Same here. Also I'm not particularly sold on Palast and his conspiracy shit. We'll see. I trust the Obama ground game enough to assume that they'll catch any possible bullshit and deal with it.
Trust me, if McCain wins, you will really want to watch my actions online.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214508.php -- god damn ABC fucks
I think that ignoring Palin is a mistake, and that Obama and his advisers have bought into it. You have to punch back on her, but don't make it about her: if you can't paint her as unacceptable, then you can't use that against McCain. And that really should be easy to do.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/214508.php -- god damn ABC fucks
I predicted as much when they were promoting this interview last night. Nutless, subservient motherfuckers. Peggy Agar for President of USA and snowplowing in the Detroit area, Gibson for Presidential shitpot.I think that ignoring Palin is a mistake, and that Obama and his advisers have bought into it. You have to punch back on her, but don't make it about her: if you can't paint her as unacceptable, then you can't use that against McCain. And that really should be easy to do.
Well, isn't this what Biden is for?
Obama needs to be more and more vicious. Since the GOP has moved into earmarking and experience, these are by far some of the weakest points of the GOP. Palin is not some untouchable element; if she flings shit, she should get it back. The most annoying thing about the Democrats is that they try to be above certain things where the Republicans have no rules whatsoever.
Obama needs to be more and more vicious. Since the GOP has moved into earmarking and experience, these are by far some of the weakest points of the GOP. Palin is not some untouchable element; if she flings shit, she should get it back. The most annoying thing about the Democrats is that they try to be above certain things where the Republicans have no rules whatsoever.
Which is why I still think Clinton would crush McCain. They know how to play the game; didn't work in the primaries this year but it's definitely effective in national elections
Obama doesn't realize that he lost his "above politics" luster after the Wright fiasco. People just don't buy that anymore. There's an obvious danger in attacking McCain too hard and coming off disrespectful but that doesn't mean he can't punch back. Consider Gov. Rendell's comments today where he just lambasted Palin's lies, as well as McCain. This ad is a good starting point imo.
People AGREE that McCain is like Bush but polls suggest they don't care. That's a fucking problem.
HB 270 : Passed! Chapter 57, SLA 2000 An Act relating to sexual assault and sexual abuse and to payment for certain examinations in cases of alleged sexual assault or sexual abuse.
alaska is an amazing and horrifying place.
yeah, the pro-palin folks i know -- anecdotally -- are all educated, college degree'd white folks living in rural areas. RURAL is the thing, not income/education level. living in the boonies makes you stupid.
Thankfully MSNBC was commenting that McCain has probably given up on turning Oregon and WA
i figured it would be the bastion of small gov't politics coupled with a strong sense of "leave me alone" type sentiment.FoC I think you know where to move now.
gregoire's been kind of a shitty guv :'(
i didn't absolutely hate rossi, but since i am so adamantly and irrationally anti-republican this cycle, CHRIS "where's the -tine" GREGOIRE gets mah vote
straight talk!
never vote a republican governor-all you get is tax cuts that turn into budget deficits which then get passed onto local municipalities. We should be able to fight off our challenger here in NC but man GOP governors send your state the shitter faster than a seedy taqueria will send your ass to one.
the west side of the cascades: because we ARE better than you!
it's actually packed to the gills with religious kooks
three types live in the woods: criminals, crypto-libertarian roughnecks and religious nutters too crazy to have a city church
palin is a three-fer!
our republicans tend to run on fiscal conservatism uber alles, which is fine -- they really only mouth the nutty christian social conservatism angle in the few rare cases. that said, i also think the crooked and downright grossly mismanaged seattle city council and mayorship could use a shakeup, if the democrats could afford it
After Democrat Mike Lowry announced that he would not seek re-election due to allegations of sexual harassment, Craswell announced that she would win. During her legislative career, she gained a strong identity as an Evangelical Christian and member of the Christian right. Craswell was very open about her religious identity, prompting concern among some in the Republican Party that she would have difficulty in moderately liberal Washington. During the campaign, Craswell successfully appealed to suburban conservatives with more moderate social leanings by promising to repeal more than a third of state taxes and cut 30 percent of the state budget. In September 1996, she narrowly gained the primary nod, receiving 15.26% of the primary vote and defeating nearest Republican opponent Dale Foreman, who received 13.37%.
Craswell campaigned both on fiscal issues and as an unabashed conservative Christian. She gained media coverage for comments, including those where she described herself as a "radical," declared that she would hire only "wise and godly people" as staffers, and listed God at the top of her campaign organisation chart. Education also became an important issue during the campaign, with Craswell supporting heavy localisation and a tuition-based system for all schools, and Democratic opponent Gary Locke supporting a more state-centric system. Craswell successfully ran a grassroots campaign, receiving campaign contributions from only individuals and advertising only on billboards and yard signs and at campaign events.
Craswell's outspoken position on social issues - including comments that gay rights were "special rights for sodomites" - did not resonate with voters in the state.[citation needed] In November, Craswell was defeated by Locke, receiving only 42.04% of the vote.[1]
the west side of the cascades: because we ARE better than you!
over the pass isn't a bad place, provided you never talk to the people.
I wouldn't mind living in a place like walla walla or pullman at all. Then again, I'm a total sucker for sleepy western college towns-hello Logan, UT (a city I've visited once that I thought was really cool). Also, BIRDZ.
ME FOR MAYOR! EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MATTER!
our republicans tend to run on fiscal conservatism uber alles, which is fine -- they really only mouth the nutty christian social conservatism angle in the few rare cases. that said, i also think the crooked and downright grossly mismanaged seattle city council and mayorship could use a shakeup, if the democrats could afford it
Remember Ellen Craswell? She was the Republican nominee (and big time Evangelical Christian) for Governor back in 1996.QuoteAfter Democrat Mike Lowry announced that he would not seek re-election due to allegations of sexual harassment, Craswell announced that she would win. During her legislative career, she gained a strong identity as an Evangelical Christian and member of the Christian right. Craswell was very open about her religious identity, prompting concern among some in the Republican Party that she would have difficulty in moderately liberal Washington. During the campaign, Craswell successfully appealed to suburban conservatives with more moderate social leanings by promising to repeal more than a third of state taxes and cut 30 percent of the state budget. In September 1996, she narrowly gained the primary nod, receiving 15.26% of the primary vote and defeating nearest Republican opponent Dale Foreman, who received 13.37%.
Craswell campaigned both on fiscal issues and as an unabashed conservative Christian. She gained media coverage for comments, including those where she described herself as a "radical," declared that she would hire only "wise and godly people" as staffers, and listed God at the top of her campaign organisation chart. Education also became an important issue during the campaign, with Craswell supporting heavy localisation and a tuition-based system for all schools, and Democratic opponent Gary Locke supporting a more state-centric system. Craswell successfully ran a grassroots campaign, receiving campaign contributions from only individuals and advertising only on billboards and yard signs and at campaign events.
Craswell's outspoken position on social issues - including comments that gay rights were "special rights for sodomites" - did not resonate with voters in the state.[citation needed] In November, Craswell was defeated by Locke, receiving only 42.04% of the vote.[1]
I wasn't able to vote yet, but I did everything I could as a wee 15 year old lad to ensure she lost to Gary Locke. She came and spoke to my high school government class, we ate her alive. :lolthe west side of the cascades: because we ARE better than you!
over the pass isn't a bad place, provided you never talk to the people.
I wouldn't mind living in a place like walla walla or pullman at all. Then again, I'm a total sucker for sleepy western college towns-hello Logan, UT (a city I've visited once that I thought was really cool). Also, BIRDZ.
I lived in Ellensburg for two years while I was getting my Master's degree. It's actually really nice town, but I couldn't wait to move back to Seattle.ME FOR MAYOR! EXPERIENCE DOES NOT MATTER!
MAF, your platform should revolve around bringing even more fine dining to Mill Creek.
"If elected, I will bring a second Round Table Pizza to the citizens of my fair town!"
Obama is going to lose.
http://www.alternet.org/democracy/92695/?page=entire
http://www.gregpalast.com/obama-doesn%E2%80%99t-sweat-he-should/#comment-7058
fucking bitches.
i wish we could stab everyone in the face
I dont get where he gets votes all of a sudden. People just cant be that stupid about Palin :(
Obama = Dukakis 2008
God, I'm so angry about all of this that I've switched from NPR to Air America.
:punch
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Can't argue with that!
For the life of me I don't know why registration isn't automatic/why we don't have elections on Saturdays.
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Im beginning to change my view on Palin. :/ Oh well
But let me address the issue about the voter purge. When done accurately Purging voters is essential to prevent voter fraud. If you move or lose your house etc.. It's essential to get rid of these people in the database to prevent fraud.
it's insane how bad it has been able to get (and how long it has gone on) without becoming huge news.
it's insane how bad it has been able to get (and how long it has gone on) without becoming huge news.
See, this demonstrates a major problem in the United States. Who is supposed to be throwing the stinks and dictate when enough is enough? All of that responsibility is placed on media. This is in part understandable as it's obviously quite difficult for common people to dig up information and distribute it on a level that mainstream media can, but people don't even throw public stinks here even after the grunt work has been done by the news media. Other nations would have been bordering on the edge of total street wars were the people in those nations to experience American levels of corporate and governmental corruption. Why are Americans so "tolerant" of obvious bullshit that affects them?
Probably because the majority of americans dont get their news
Quote from: BeardoProbably because the majority of americans dont get their news
fix'd
I'm too busy not reading my law shit, but some of you might want to read What's the matter with "What's the Matter with Kansas?" (http://www.princeton.edu/~bartels/kansasqjps06.pdf)
cliff notes:
-Rich, educated whites are more interested in social issues than poor, uneducated whites.
-working-class whites care more about economic issues than social issues.
-Working-class-whites are not that socially conservative and actually lean Democrat on many social issues, like abortion and gun control. But are actually closer to the Republicans on economic issues.
Or I could just say that all active Republicans at this point are dumbs
Looks like Colorado will be the new Ohio then.
Looks like Colorado will be the new Ohio then.
Looks like Florida is the new Ohio, and Ohio is the new Florida.There's only one Bush state that's approaching any degree of being "out of reach" at this point for Obama and that's Missouri (McCain and the Fundie Wretch have been trolling there the last few days in an attempt to "close out" the state, which is stupid because it's not going to get abandoned for another four or five weeks at the earliest).
Or I could just say that all active Republicans at this point are dumbs by definition and not worry about it.Willfully ignorant are the words you're looking for.
I kinda wish the DNC was the second convention...that way Obama's fuckawesome speech would be the thing on everybody's mind, not this bullshit.This is what I was realizing today. The sloppy RNC seemed embarrassing in comparison to the polished spectacle of the DNC, but the RNC had the final word. And the Palin story eclipsed Obama's historic first black nominee speech right away. While the execution and decision making going on by McCain has been suspect, the timing and actual impact have worked out pretty well so far. The attention span of the media/populace is seemingly infinitesimal.
Looks like Colorado will be the new Ohio then.
Looks like Florida is the new Ohio, and Ohio is the new Florida.There's only one Bush state that's approaching any degree of being "out of reach" at this point for Obama and that's Missouri (McCain and the Fundie Wretch have been trolling there the last few days in an attempt to "close out" the state, which is stupid because it's not going to get abandoned for another four or five weeks at the earliest).
I will donate $100 to EB via Willco if McCain wins this Novembers election.
Make me poorer, McCain, NOBAMA!
RALEIGH (WTVD) -- In an election for President of the United States in North Carolina Tuesday, September 09, Republican John McCain suddenly and breathtakingly surges to a 20-point win over Democrat Barack Obama, 58% to 38%, according to this latest exclusive SurveyUSA election poll conducted for ABC11-WTVD.http://abclocal.go.com/wtvd/story?section=news/politics&id=6380065
What the fuck what the fuck what the FUCK
Fuck this country. 60 percent of America is fucking distinguished mentally-challenged beyond all belief.
Goddamn the media, goddamn Palin, urghhhhhh
Voters, particularly women, seem to agree, according to new polls. An ABC News-Washington Post survey found white women have moved from backing Obama by 8 points to supporting McCain by 12 points, with majorities viewing Palin favorably and saying she boosts their faith in McCain's decisions.
"Last week, John McCain told Time magazine he couldn't define what honor was. Now we know why," said Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton.
So it looks like Experiment was right for now. Man I hoping misogyny wins through.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09/09/mccain-camp-accuses-obama-of-comparing-palin-to-a-pig/Now we'll see the next 3 days of Obama is sexist :-\
good news piece
i do, however, find it hilarious that there is a "palin truth squad" who exists to i guess mobilize to be the voice they won't allow her to have
The WSJ poll is the only really reliable poll for me. Kerry never was ahead of Bush in 04. The daily poll show the whims and willies of the crazies, but the WSJ poll is pretty steady methinks.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/mccain-ad-obamas-lone-edu_n_125205.html -- bwahahaha oh McCain, turnin the facts around into crazy talk. That pic of Obama makes me lol tho
This week's mainstream coverage of the presidential horse-race has been dominated by a series of polls showing the McCain-Palin ticket with its first stable lead over Obama and Biden. Gallup's tracking poll, USA Today and CBS News all show the Republicans with some kind of lead over the Democratic ticket. But, interestingly, all three polls were also conducted using a higher sampling of Republican voters than in July, raising a question of methodology.
In a year in which Democrats have a lead of 11 million registered voters over Republicans, and have been adding to that advantage through a robust field operation, are pollsters over-sampling Republicans?
Or it could be more people self-identifying as Republicans in the wake of the convention. People tend to answer polls based on how they're feeling at that very moment rather than how they're registered.
One great example which I'm pretty sure I read in a credible place was that polls in the late 90's which asked about people's past and current views found that only 5% (or some other tiny figure) copped to voting Perot in 92.
I'm not much of an expert on the stock market, so maybe one of you can tell me:
Why can we not outright ban speculation in the oil market? If speculation is largely responsible for oil prices, why is it not heavily regulated, if not outright banned?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/mccain-ad-obamas-lone-edu_n_125205.html -- bwahahaha oh McCain, turnin the facts around into crazy talk. That pic of Obama makes me lol tho
Iraq may be a lost cause but McCain is leading the way in the war on satire.
Maybe someone with more economic training can tell me: what are the BENEFITS of allowing trading in futures contracts?
(plus Democrats in power wanted it to fail anyway to promote their party IMO).
(plus Democrats in power wanted it to fail anyway to promote their party IMO).
please tell me how one can come to believe something so stupid
(plus Democrats in power wanted it to fail anyway to promote their party IMO).
please tell me how one can come to believe something so stupid
Have you SEEN the Republican Party Platform? I mean, really. People are dumb. Really, really dumb.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/mccain-ad-obamas-lone-edu_n_125205.html -- bwahahaha oh McCain, turnin the facts around into crazy talk. That pic of Obama makes me lol tho
Iraq may be a lost cause but McCain is leading the way in the war on satire.
Lost cause? Umm, sorry to break it to you man, but that troop surge and the forced cooperation of all Iraqi parties in power has helped over there. You hear less about suicide bombers and such every day. Yea, there are still attacks, but less because the plan is working, just slower than people wanted (plus Democrats in power wanted it to fail anyway to promote their party IMO).
Have you SEEN the Republican Party Platform? I mean, really. People are dumb. Really, really dumb.
yeah and i don't fucking get it. i guess most people that i see say ridiculous shit like that tend to be pretty ill-informed, and they fill in the gaps with incomplete or incorrect things they hear from rumors or character assassinations or who the fuck knows where.
Maybe someone with more economic training can tell me: what are the BENEFITS of allowing trading in futures contracts?
(plus Democrats in power wanted it to fail anyway to promote their party IMO).
please tell me how one can come to believe something so stupid
I guess they haven't taken enough of these
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And an equally important to tool in artificially keeping up prices and securing a maximum profit. Hooray!Maybe someone with more economic training can tell me: what are the BENEFITS of allowing trading in futures contracts?
40,000 ft view:
Futures add to the completeness of markets.
They are important for hedging risk and determining future price/demand.
::)And an equally important to tool in artificially keeping up prices and securing a maximum profit. Hooray!Maybe someone with more economic training can tell me: what are the BENEFITS of allowing trading in futures contracts?
40,000 ft view:
Futures add to the completeness of markets.
They are important for hedging risk and determining future price/demand.
Enough of this bullshit. Enough.
The past eight years have been a remarkable record of failure in every conceivable, measurable way. It is time for Republicans to OWN THAT FAILURE. It happened on your watch. Reap the whirlwind.
If someone is working on a motorcycle with a wrench, and discovers that the wrench they're using is the wrong size, they don't keep using that wrench. They put it down and try another one. It's that time for America. On every conceivable issue, Republicans have the same old, failed philosophies. It's so fucking tiring. Yes, if you are a conservative and don't want to own the past eight years, you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. You fucked up and should get your asses kicked for it. The only reason you might not is that people are irrational and will vote on fears and divisive cultural issues- ones that you guys champion and pick at every four years but really don't ever fucking do anything about. So, yes. If you're a Republican these days you're either an idiot or someone preying on the fears of idiots. End of discussion.
Admittedly I don't know much about the futures market, but actually trading futures contracts doesn't sound like it's being used to hedge risk. Entering into the initial futures contract does.
Enough of this bullshit. Enough.
The past eight years have been a remarkable record of failure in every conceivable, measurable way. It is time for Republicans to OWN THAT FAILURE. It happened on your watch. Reap the whirlwind.
If someone is working on a motorcycle with a wrench, and discovers that the wrench they're using is the wrong size, they don't keep using that wrench. They put it down and try another one. It's that time for America. On every conceivable issue, Republicans have the same old, failed philosophies. It's so fucking tiring. Yes, if you are a conservative and don't want to own the past eight years, you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. You fucked up and should get your asses kicked for it. The only reason you might not is that people are irrational and will vote on fears and divisive cultural issues- ones that you guys champion and pick at every four years but really don't ever fucking do anything about. So, yes. If you're a Republican these days you're either an idiot or someone preying on the fears of idiots. End of discussion.
Enough of this bullshit. Enough.
The past eight years have been a remarkable record of failure in every conceivable, measurable way. It is time for Republicans to OWN THAT FAILURE. It happened on your watch. Reap the whirlwind.
If someone is working on a motorcycle with a wrench, and discovers that the wrench they're using is the wrong size, they don't keep using that wrench. They put it down and try another one. It's that time for America. On every conceivable issue, Republicans have the same old, failed philosophies. It's so fucking tiring. Yes, if you are a conservative and don't want to own the past eight years, you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. You fucked up and should get your asses kicked for it. The only reason you might not is that people are irrational and will vote on fears and divisive cultural issues- ones that you guys champion and pick at every four years but really don't ever fucking do anything about. So, yes. If you're a Republican these days you're either an idiot or someone preying on the fears of idiots. End of discussion.
I hate to break it to you buddy but almost as many democrats in congress voted for the presidents "failures" (patriot act, Iraq war, wiretapping etc...)
Enough of this bullshit. Enough.
The past eight years have been a remarkable record of failure in every conceivable, measurable way. It is time for Republicans to OWN THAT FAILURE. It happened on your watch. Reap the whirlwind.
If someone is working on a motorcycle with a wrench, and discovers that the wrench they're using is the wrong size, they don't keep using that wrench. They put it down and try another one. It's that time for America. On every conceivable issue, Republicans have the same old, failed philosophies. It's so fucking tiring. Yes, if you are a conservative and don't want to own the past eight years, you're a fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow. You fucked up and should get your asses kicked for it. The only reason you might not is that people are irrational and will vote on fears and divisive cultural issues- ones that you guys champion and pick at every four years but really don't ever fucking do anything about. So, yes. If you're a Republican these days you're either an idiot or someone preying on the fears of idiots. End of discussion.
I hate to break it to you buddy but almost as many democrats in congress voted for the presidents "failures" (patriot act, Iraq war, wiretapping etc...)
The surge didn't work completely. I would've still voted against it if I were in Congress.
And you seem to forget that a) Obama wasn't there for the Patriot ActThis just shows how inexperienced he really is. He has very little political experience currently.
and b) Obama voted against the Iraq War.Then in doing so he voted against a U.N. Resolution.
This just shows how inexperienced he really is. He has very little political experience currently.
QuoteThis just shows how inexperienced he really is. He has very little political experience currently.
This is a bullshit response and you know it. The same argument can be made towards Palin, but I'm not going to dignify myself to make such an argument.
All I'm saying is that a vote for McCain is a vote for deranged, distinguished mentally-challenged jackals that want to continually bankrupt future generations, line the pockets of the uber wealthy, lie to simple people about doing something regarding all of the dumb positions they hold on cultural issues, fight continual wars, ignore the climate crisis, ignore the health care crisis, and piss on the Constitution. If you're cool with that, why didn't you guys just say so?
All I'm saying is that a vote for McCain is a vote for deranged, distinguished mentally-challenged jackals that want to continually bankrupt future generations, line the pockets of the uber wealthy, lie to simple people about doing something regarding all of the dumb positions they hold on cultural issues, fight continual wars, ignore the climate crisis, ignore the health care crisis, and piss on the Constitution. If you're cool with that, why didn't you guys just say so?
It's so easy!!! Stop the presses the election has been solved.
All I'm saying is that a vote for McCain is a vote for deranged, distinguished mentally-challenged jackals that want to continually bankrupt future generations, line the pockets of the uber wealthy, lie to simple people about doing something regarding all of the dumb positions they hold on cultural issues, fight continual wars, ignore the climate crisis, ignore the health care crisis, and piss on the Constitution. If you're cool with that, why didn't you guys just say so?Like wealth redistribution? "Give me that Theodore you're too successful."
All I'm saying is that a vote for McCain is a vote for deranged, distinguished mentally-challenged jackals that want to continually bankrupt future generations, line the pockets of the uber wealthy, lie to simple people about doing something regarding all of the dumb positions they hold on cultural issues, fight continual wars, ignore the climate crisis, ignore the health care crisis, and piss on the Constitution. If you're cool with that, why didn't you guys just say so?Like wealth redistribution? "Give me that Theodore you're too successful."
Never said I was voting for McCain (undecided), I'm just not voting for Obama man. Nothing against him personally I just think some of his policies will move us one step closer to socialism .
All I'm saying is that a vote for McCain is a vote for deranged, distinguished mentally-challenged jackals that want to continually bankrupt future generations, line the pockets of the uber wealthy, lie to simple people about doing something regarding all of the dumb positions they hold on cultural issues, fight continual wars, ignore the climate crisis, ignore the health care crisis, and piss on the Constitution. If you're cool with that, why didn't you guys just say so?
It's so easy!!! Stop the presses the election has been solved.
I kno rite?
But srsly, people who give a shit about, you know, THE FUTURE AND WANTING TO LIVE IN IT, might not want to vote for McCain. Or any other Republican. EVER.
Dont forget class warfare. The staple of the left.
Dont forget class warfare. The staple of the left.
It's not warfare on the left's part to point out that the Right has been systematically declaring war and fucking over the middle class and poor for like, ever.
I don't know much about futures, but in essence they seem similar to bonds except they deal with commodities.
Fuck it, the Republicans are probably going to win. They've successfully lied themselves into the upper hand now. The only hope the Dems have is in all of these new voters showing up and not being idiots this November.
So, looking ahead to the charred hellscape that the country will be in 2012, I'm betting on a healthy dose of Western Populism beating Mayor McMooseburger. That's right, meet Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, the 45th President of the United States! Known for his sense of humor and also threatening pussy ass GOP lawmakers with a gun in his office, this is the man the Dems need to grow them a set of balls.
YOURE GOIN DOWN GAN!
Fuck it, the Republicans are probably going to win. They've successfully lied themselves into the upper hand now. The only hope the Dems have is in all of these new voters showing up and not being idiots this November.
So, looking ahead to the charred hellscape that the country will be in 2012, I'm betting on a healthy dose of Western Populism beating Mayor McMooseburger. That's right, meet Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, the 45th President of the United States! Known for his sense of humor and also threatening pussy ass GOP lawmakers with a gun in his office, this is the man the Dems need to grow them a set of balls.
oh jeez don't turn into a loser liberal whinefag-you're too good for this. We got this shit, McCain could barely bounce above dead even with Obama in most polls, and we have all of the structural advantages this election.
Keep your eyes on the prize-we'll win, and once we do we'll never let this country fall to fools and fundies ever again. :gun
But I dont see a draft coming unless we are attacked again ala Pearl Harbor/September 11th style.
Fuck it, the Republicans are probably going to win. They've successfully lied themselves into the upper hand now. The only hope the Dems have is in all of these new voters showing up and not being idiots this November.
So, looking ahead to the charred hellscape that the country will be in 2012, I'm betting on a healthy dose of Western Populism beating Mayor McMooseburger. That's right, meet Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, the 45th President of the United States! Known for his sense of humor and also threatening pussy ass GOP lawmakers with a gun in his office, this is the man the Dems need to grow them a set of balls.
oh jeez don't turn into a loser liberal whinefag-you're too good for this. We got this shit, McCain could barely bounce above dead even with Obama in most polls, and we have all of the structural advantages this election.
Keep your eyes on the prize-we'll win, and once we do we'll never let this country fall to fools and fundies ever again. :gun
YOURE GOIN DOWN GAN!
I wouldn't be in boot camp with you man, lol.
But I dont see a draft coming unless we are attacked again ala Pearl Harbor/September 11th style.
A good way to ensure that happening is to vote for someone whose foreign policy is the equivalent of hanging out at a honey bee colony and throwing rocks at the hives, then acting surprised when we get stung.
YOURE GOIN DOWN GAN!
I wouldn't be in boot camp with you man, lol.
Won't even visit?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/mccain-ad-obamas-lone-edu_n_125205.html -- bwahahaha oh McCain, turnin the facts around into crazy talk. That pic of Obama makes me lol tho
Iraq may be a lost cause but McCain is leading the way in the war on satire.
Lost cause? Umm, sorry to break it to you man, but that troop surge and the forced cooperation of all Iraqi parties in power has helped over there. You hear less about suicide bombers and such every day. Yea, there are still attacks, but less because the plan is working, just slower than people wanted (plus Democrats in power wanted it to fail anyway to promote their party IMO).
Fuck it, the Republicans are probably going to win. They've successfully lied themselves into the upper hand now. The only hope the Dems have is in all of these new voters showing up and not being idiots this November.
So, looking ahead to the charred hellscape that the country will be in 2012, I'm betting on a healthy dose of Western Populism beating Mayor McMooseburger. That's right, meet Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, the 45th President of the United States! Known for his sense of humor and also threatening pussy ass GOP lawmakers with a gun in his office, this is the man the Dems need to grow them a set of balls.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/09/mccain-ad-obamas-lone-edu_n_125205.html -- bwahahaha oh McCain, turnin the facts around into crazy talk. That pic of Obama makes me lol tho
Iraq may be a lost cause but McCain is leading the way in the war on satire.
Lost cause? Umm, sorry to break it to you man, but that troop surge and the forced cooperation of all Iraqi parties in power has helped over there. You hear less about suicide bombers and such every day. Yea, there are still attacks, but less because the plan is working, just slower than people wanted (plus Democrats in power wanted it to fail anyway to promote their party IMO).
Oh, fucking really?!? (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=24384.0)
Fuck it, the Republicans are probably going to win. They've successfully lied themselves into the upper hand now. The only hope the Dems have is in all of these new voters showing up and not being idiots this November.
So, looking ahead to the charred hellscape that the country will be in 2012, I'm betting on a healthy dose of Western Populism beating Mayor McMooseburger. That's right, meet Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, the 45th President of the United States! Known for his sense of humor and also threatening pussy ass GOP lawmakers with a gun in his office, this is the man the Dems need to grow them a set of balls.
Seems like the early primary schedule is going to greatly benefit someone like him, assuming Obama loses this year of course. I still think Hillary will be president in 2013 though
LOL.
So to refute me and try and burn me you point to an old thread that I never posted in or looked at? LOL.
Seriously, how can you say the surge hasn't done the job it was setup to do: lower the number of U.S. troop deaths in Iraq (it has lowered).
Seriously, how can you say the surge hasn't done the job it was setup to do: lower the number of U.S. troop deaths in Iraq (it has lowered).
(http://www.mightygodking.com/images/magic08/ronpaul.jpg):lol
Seriously, how can you say the surge hasn't done the job it was setup to do: lower the number of U.S. troop deaths in Iraq (it has lowered).
Its called "moving the goal posts".
I don't care about your irony meter or anything else that belongs to you.
Like I said in the thread you linked - Your boy was wrong. Deal with it.
When can Iraq man up and take control?
(http://www.mightygodking.com/images/magic08/ronpaul.jpg)
PUBLICANS! Cant live with em!
That was the only goal of the surge? Abandoning the country would have accomplished the same thing. You're not that stupid.
LOL.
So to refute me and try and burn me you point to an old thread that I never posted in or looked at? LOL.
Seriously, how can you say the surge hasn't done the job it was setup to do: lower the number of U.S. troop deaths in Iraq (it has lowered).
It's a fortnight old thread in which I explain why the surge didn't "work". Do yourself a favor and read it because you obviously haven't been keeping up with the details of the situation there.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/10/meghan-mccain-my-dad-says_n_125323.html
eh, sd's just trolling. He knows he can rile up people by confidently making dumb pronouncements.
Ganhyun I don't know about. Does anyone seriously believe that the aim of the surge was to lower American casualties?
Ummmm...Mandark was referring to this: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/19610.html (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/19610.html)
Weird, how did i know what he was talking about.
When can Iraq man up and take control?
Hopefully very soon and also when can they man up and foot part of the bill.
eh, sd's just trolling. He knows he can rile up people by confidently making dumb pronouncements.
Ganhyun I don't know about. Does anyone seriously believe that the aim of the surge was to lower American casualties?
It was a significant goal of the surge.
YouTube has removed a webad that casts Sarah Palin as the victim of sexism on the request of CBS, whose anchor Katie Couric was featured in the ad.
“One of the great lessons of that campaign is the continued and accepted role of sexism in American life," Couric is quoted in the ad.
In the original clip, she was talking about Hillary Clinton; the ad applies her words to Sarah Palin.
Asked about the ad, CBS spokeswoman Leigh Farris said, "CBS News does not endorse any candidate in the Presidential race. Any use of CBS personnel in political advertising that suggests the contrary is misleading."
When can Iraq man up and take control?
Hopefully very soon and also when can they man up and foot part of the bill.
The only reason Iraq can enjoy some sort of surplus and an economy is because we forgave all their debt, we want to prop them up so they can eventually heal and prosper. I don't think they'll ever foot any significant part of the bill any time soon. Which to be fair, is probably only right.
Its not all bad news! Our fledgling democracy Iraq happens to be floating on a sea of oil that we can pipe through Turkey to provide an alternative to Saudi oil. It will help us circumvent and compete with Gazprom's supplies in Europe and Asia. If we bom-bom-bom bom-bom Iran, we'll probably get more, securing the USAs influence even more! My tar-black heart is skipping a beat at the very thought! :drool
Not only will the likes of Exxon Mobil, Shell, Total and BP get to secure a presence on Iraq's largest oil fields (the Chinese deal will look small in comparison), but they and their shareholders could also be in the minority bracket that would enjoy tax relief courtesy of McCain! At least someone can benefit from all those trillions $$$ of investment! :usacry :gbcry
The world might be a wee bit fucked up in the aftermath, but we'll be able to power our cars, homes and factories for a few more decades before our children have to come up with a real alternative. Yay.
eh, sd's just trolling. He knows he can rile up people by confidently making dumb pronouncements.
Ganhyun I don't know about. Does anyone seriously believe that the aim of the surge was to lower American casualties?
It was a significant goal of the surge.
Nope. They listed 18 official benchmarks and lowering US casualties wasn't in any of them.
As Cohen said, if you want to lower the number of Americans dying in Iraq, boy do I have a strategy for you! (http://www.amazon.com/Marvin-Mooney-Please-Bright-Early/dp/0394824903)
Rangel should be tossed out. Hell he should have resigned over the rent controlled apartments.
then I have a plan for you too.
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then I have a plan for you too.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb127/ganhyun/canadianflag.jpg)
After the election, all unhappy Americans can move in with me.*
*since this means moving to Winnipeg and living with me, I know that this offer will not bite me in the ass.
posting a map that seems to show people congregating into neighborhoods together, kind of like how we have in our major cities.
then I have a plan for you too.
(http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/bb127/ganhyun/canadianflag.jpg)
After the election, all unhappy Americans can move in with me.*
*since this means moving to Winnipeg and living with me, I know that this offer will not bite me in the ass.
<fiendishly rubs hands together>
only slightly smh
He's getting his bump, although it's interesting that this national bump can be explained by a huge increase in southern states compared to low to negative movement everywhere else.
Obama pull out the race card ffs.
Obama pull out the race card ffs.
Race card=automatic loss. It's not a coincidence that Obama has refused to even directly comment on racial comments made by McCain supporters, nor is it surprising that people like Jesse Jackson are upset with Obama. He's not touching race until he's secure in the White House
A democrat lady on Hardball just did exactly that, PD.
Obama's lost this. Unless the tone of the election changes which I doubt McCain and Palin have got this in the bag.
I think most Americans are looking for reasons not to vote for Obama, than reasons to vote for McCain. The media clearly now will take the view that anything in favour of Palin should be covered since it's what gets ratings. Biden puts a foot wrong and then we'll get another week of 'sexist' being called out. *smh*
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/10/matt-damon-on-palin-like_n_125334.html -- HOW DO YOU LIKE THESE APPLEZ
September 26th: first debate
It's a foreign policy debate so McCain already has the perceived advantage. I hope the Obama camp realizes this could be the game changer and prepares accordingly. It would be awesome if someone like Chuck Hagel agreed to be Obama's sparring partner to warm up for this.
September 26th: first debate
It's a foreign policy debate so McCain already has the perceived advantage. I hope the Obama camp realizes this could be the game changer and prepares accordingly. It would be awesome if someone like Chuck Hagel agreed to be Obama's sparring partner to warm up for this.
Obama pull out the race card ffs.
Race card=automatic loss. It's not a coincidence that Obama has refused to even directly comment on racial comments made by McCain supporters, nor is it surprising that people like Jesse Jackson are upset with Obama. He's not touching race until he's secure in the White House
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/rangel.congress/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/rangel.congress/index.html)
on top of
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/nyregion/11rangel.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/nyregion/11rangel.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
Any reason why he should still be head of the House W&M committee?
A democrat lady on Hardball just did exactly that, PD.
Obama might as well hire me if he's gonna take my advice :bow
the sad thing is that it seems like McCain's adviser was right: this election isn't about issues. It's about an ever revolving list of bullshit topics the media runs with whenever they smell ratings. In my economics class today our teacher gave us a bunch of the economy numbers for the last 4 month; unemployment, underemployment, etc. The numbers are absolutely horrible, and rising each fucking month. Yet here we are talking aboutpracticelipstick. Not the economy, or Iraq: lipstick.
People might expect the president to do more than he can but it's definitely more than "very little".
For example a good regulatory regime could prevent a ridiculously untenable asset bubble from developing, bursting, and taking a good chunk of the country's financial system with it.
The video shows McCain and a group of other POW getting out of a bus and lined up at Hanoi airport. After McCain's name is called by a voice with a northvietnamese accent, the cameraman tracks an only slightly limping McCain, who shakes hands with two american officers before walking towards the airplane which is to take him home to the USA after more than five years of imprisonment as a POW.
September 26th: first debate
It's a foreign policy debate so McCain already has the perceived advantage. I hope the Obama camp realizes this could be the game changer and prepares accordingly. It would be awesome if someone like Chuck Hagel agreed to be Obama's sparring partner to warm up for this.
Obama can talk to Hagel if he wants to hash out some foreign policy conundrum through discussion.
If he's preparing for McCain he just needs someone who is willing to study and become a McCain surrogate, using the same memes, catchphrases, and speech patterns that McCain would use.
Which reminds me, this old Atlantic article on Al Gore (http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2000/07/fallows.htm) is fun stuff for politics geeks.
Protip: The president has very little to do with the economy especially employment.Raise tariffs. Subsidise manufacturing. But neither party rolls like that.
September 26th: first debateIf he's preparing for McCain he just needs someone who is willing to study and become a McCain surrogate, using the same memes, catchphrases, and speech patterns that McCain would use.
It's a foreign policy debate so McCain already has the perceived advantage. I hope the Obama camp realizes this could be the game changer and prepares accordingly. It would be awesome if someone like Chuck Hagel agreed to be Obama's sparring partner to warm up for this.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/rangel.congress/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/10/rangel.congress/index.html)
on top of
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/nyregion/11rangel.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/11/nyregion/11rangel.html?_r=3&hp&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)
Any reason why he should still be head of the House W&M committee?
Rengel wanted to have an earmark build a building in New York that was going to have a statue of himself and be named after himself. That's a big no-no in congress. IMO
Just finished watching all 4 of the o'reilly interviews. If you haven't seen them yet they're on youtube. I have to say they're easily some of the best interviews I've seen with Obama and they eally put Olbermann's 2-day interview to shame.
I agree, the olbermann interview was SNORE. People knock the ABC interview of Plain (and rightly so), but this one gets ignored? Its the same shit. Anyway here's Obama on Letterman commenting on the lipstick crap:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/10/obama-appears-on-letterma_n_125509.html
OReilly has also come out against the Lipstick comment, which is a surprise to me.
Rachel rocks, I agree.
Yeah, Rachel's show is great. I only got to see the first one. The second one got wiped from my Tivo and I was pre-occupied last night. Are they available online at all? I know Countdown finally has full video episodes available on itunes.
that's not saying much
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
HOW DARE YOU
TO HAVE THE AUDACITY
TO SAY STUFF I DONT AGREE WITH
YOU ARE BAD AMERICAN
BACK TO CAMERA 1
BACK TO CAMERA 2
GOOD
NIGHT
AMER
ICA
I wanna see Maddow's show, is it on 5 nights a week?
Speaking of MAF - I poop with headphones on sometimes when I'm at work. I figure, if I can't hear it nobody else can. At least I feel better about myself :lol
Speaking of MAF - I poop with headphones on sometimes when I'm at work. I figure, if I can't hear it nobody else can. At least I feel better about myself :lol
I have wireless headphones for my tv, so when I gotta poop I can and not miss a beat. bam
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/11/abc-on-troopergate-womens_n_125670.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/11/abc-on-troopergate-womens_n_125670.html
Huffington is blocked at work, what does the article say?
What the polls are missing
http://www.theseminal.com/2008/09/10/what-the-polls-are-missing-part-1-the-obama-ground-game/?
(MUST read)
that post+chillthefuckoutigotthis.jpg=me feeling less panicked. Not that these new polls are making me feel bad, I just find myself thinking about the possibility of an Obama loss all the time. I've been feeling rather confident lately which scares me
I was going to post something about this in the last thread where Triumph was calling the election political Ragnarok, but it got locked and I forgot.
Whether Obama or McCain wins, the Democrats are going to take more seats in Congress. The Republican party has shredded their brand and is clinging to a shrinking base. The polling data of youth voters and demographic trends should have them terrified.
We're moving into a phase of American politics where a Republican has to run away from his party while the Democratic candidate can embrace his.
I think McCain would be an awful president, but I don't think his victory would change anything about the fundamental dynamic and that's what will be important over the next decade or two.
First excerpts emerge from Charlie Gibson’s interview with the vice presidential candidate.
Gibson asks if, under the NATO treaty, the U.S. would need to go to war with Russia if it again invades Georgia.
Palin: “Perhaps so. I mean, that is the agreement when you are a NATO ally, is if another country is attacked, you’re going to be expected to be called upon and help.”
Adds: “For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable.”
GIBSON: You said recently, in your old church, "Our national leaders are sending U.S. soldiers on a task that is from God." Are we fighting a holy war?
PALIN: You know, I don't know if that was my exact quote.
GIBSON: Exact words.
PALIN: But the reference there is a repeat of Abraham Lincoln's words when he said -- first, he suggested never presume to know what God's will is, and I would never presume to know God's will or to speak God's words. But what Abraham Lincoln had said, and that's a repeat in my comments, was let us not pray that God is on our side in a war or any other time, but let us pray that we are on God's side. That's what that comment was all about, Charlie.
GIBSON: I take your point about Lincoln's words, but you went on and said, "There is a plan and it is God's plan."
PALIN: I believe that there is a plan for this world and that plan for this world is for good. I believe that there is great hope and great potential for every country to be able to live and be protected with inalienable rights that I believe are God-given, Charlie, and I believe that those are the rights to life and liberty and the pursuit of happiness. That, in my world view, is a grand -- the grand plan.
GIBSON: But then are you sending your son on a task that is from God?
PALIN: I don't know if the task is from God, Charlie. What I know is that my son has made a decision. I am so proud of his independent and strong decision he has made, what he decided to do and serving for the right reasons and serving something greater than himself and not choosing a real easy path where he could be more comfortable and certainly safer.
Collective defense is a sticky wicket.
The main benefit of NATO is that nobody would think of attacking a member. That's why the only time Article 5 has been invoked was after 9/11, which wasn't a case of another nation making an act of war.
But you run the risk of committing to defend a nation in the expectation that you won't have to, another great power invades that nation in the expectation you won't intervene, both of you have miscalculated, Archduke Franz Ferdinand is dead, the cat's in the bag and the bag's in the water.
1. Boo Russia for fighting with other neighbors, totally unprovoked too! I can see them from over here, too.
2. Death to Iran, they are a threat because they are (supposedly) trying to build weapons!
3. Well, we can't second guess Israel's actions to defend themselves (like, preemptively) by bombing Iran!
Good grief, why isn't this man laughing at her?
the bar is set so low for her that by just showing up to the VP debate she'll be praised
Yeah, I'm somewhat impressed with the interview, although the problem is that these interviews tend to work on the assumption that the viewers/readers are capable of filling in the blanks, and as such they give themselves a bit too great of a margin. Though, if this is how Palin performs during arranged, directed interviews, I don't think she's going to do well in the wild.
is rachel a blowhard like hannity/olbremann
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRVQ4xwwmQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pdRVQ4xwwmQ)
"If you don't vote, you're a moron."
:bow Ferguson :bow2
Obama, like Jesus, lived on Planet Earth. The similarities are striking. Is that the best your beltway brothers can come up with?
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(http://g.photos.cx/n506076248_1238537_9081-b2.jpg)Please tell me that pic isn't real. If so WOW at Fox News.
I dont agree with that either. Obama may be a lot of things, but not a terrorist as far as I can tell.
We already have a Ron Paul card, can anyone shop up an Obama Christ card and a POW McCain card? Then we can play political poker.
Please tell me that pic isn't real. If so WOW at Fox News.::)
It's not real.I dont agree with that either. Obama may be a lot of things, but not a terrorist as far as I can tell.
::)
We already have a Ron Paul card, can anyone shop up an Obama Christ card and a POW McCain card? Then we can play political poker.
We could almost do a whole deck from Palin alone. The "blatant cynicism" card, the "false outrage" card, the "false sexism" card, the "false reformer" card etc etc.
And no that's not real, someone shopped it.
I don't do shops/gifs dude sorry. But hey I applaud your pixel eyes.Please tell me that pic isn't real. If so WOW at Fox News.::)
(http://www.davidmays.com/images/fox-news-fake-obama-biden-osama-bni-laden-coincidence.gif)
Here's the video (http://www.cato.org/videohighlights/index.php?highlight_id=36)
Obama, like Jesus, lived on Planet Earth. The similarities are striking. Is that the best your beltway brothers can come up with?
wow, angry much? Here I thought Jesus..err Obama..err Jesus (yes i'm messing with you guys) taught a message of turning the other cheek.
The comparison to Jesus of Obama doesn't annoy me. Its the comparison of Palin to the guy who ordered Jesus's execution that annoys me.
So then you're a troll? And me = angry over this? Nah, what gets me angry is that there's a large chunk of our country that would repeat your post, yet they wouldn't be kidding.
I like the way things are going. I'm starting to get slightly optimistic again. If Obama loses, my mood would be much closer to apathetic or depressed than angry. I've had the last 8 years of this administration to go through my angry and cynical stage and they're just not worth that anymore.
I don't really care so much about experience as I do about eloquence, intelligence, and honesty. No politician (or person, for that matter) is going to score an A+ across all 3, but it's a rare thing to see that combination in a politician running for office. Perhaps my misty-eyed adoration for Obama is blinding my judgment, but I really do feel he'll make things better. More than just from politics and policy, but from inspiration.
If he was simply a charismatic person that I could be fond of but didn't believe he'd move the country in the right direction, he'd be Mike Huckabee.
In this election, McCain is hardly what I'm worried about. It's the members of his cabinet, the supreme court, and Palin that terrify me. However, I don't believe McCain2000 is suddenly going to rise from the dead once he's done campaigning either.
In this election, McCain is hardly what I'm worried about. It's the members of his cabinet, the supreme court, and Palin that terrify me. However, I don't believe McCain2000 is suddenly going to rise from the dead once he's done campaigning either.
This is a concern for me for either candidate. Like what if Obama appoints William Ares to a position? This is one mistake Bush made if you look at a lot of the corrupt members that were part of his administration (some still are) they were old buddies of his, looking out for the good ol boys the Texas Mafia if you will. Not all that different from Carter's Georgia Mafia.
While they often pretend they are interviewing multiple people for these positions, deep down inside they already have their mind made up who they are going to appoint.
I think a lot of promises are made when receiving donations/support.
Now, there are realistic picks on both sides to have issues with. I don't like some of Obama's Chicago University educated economist buddies. And Phil Gramm as Secretary of the Treasury would have been one of the biggest fucking boondoggles EVER. While it's good that he's eliminated himself from consideration by opening his big dumb mouth, McCain still has 130 something lobbyist scumfucks that he he supposedly hates and wants to destroy running his campaign. So yeah.
Obama's ground game's ultimate impact might be underestimated in all this talk about ads and so on. This is simply anecdotal evidence, but I see his campaign outside the metro station near my work in Alexandria, VA pretty much every day for weeks now, and I've never seen a McCain campaigner, even though they're based two metro stops away.
Though I worry that this possible impact might be mitigated by all the voter-purging and driver's-license-requiring shenanigans going on.
I saw more Ron Paul campaigners than anyone and obviously we all know how that turned out.Point taken :bawl
neither of them can handle the russia situation well, gonna be badAgreed we are in no position as a nation really atm to deal with Russia. Europe may cry.
A McCain presidency wouldn't be that bad, Palin would be pushed back into a corner and McCain will hopefully revert to the center.
A McCain presidency wouldn't be that bad, Palin would be pushed back into a corner and McCain will hopefully revert to the center.
I didn't realise that. I guess it's a good issue to rally the GOP's troops though.
Palin would be Bush 2.0. It wouldn't be *that* much worse since he's already screwed most of it up. I also expect her to be controlled more.
Sarah Palin is the distilled essence of wingnut. She has it all. She is dishonest. She is a religious nut. She is incurious. She is anti-science. She is inexperienced. She abuses her authority. She hides behind executive privilege. She is a big spender. She works from the gut and places a greater value on instinct than knowledge.
And most dangerous of all, she is supremely self-confident to the point of not recognizing how ill-equipped she is to lead the country.
Nice fuck up ObamaBad on the democrat part McCain = PoW again. I guess most of the general population doesn't know about diability tools.
http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/30072 (http://www.commentarymagazine.com/blogs/index.php/jpodhoretz/30072)
What can you really do now though (economically)? Rolling back the Iraq War is one. Stopping unnecessary government spending i.e subsidies for lobbyists is second.
The only thing different I see is Obama talking about reverting globalisation as well as eventually stopping the war outright.
I also believe McCain will increase taxes.
So much for home field advantage. Cable news outlets shouting from opposite ends of the political spectrum both aired sit-downs with Barack Obama on Monday night. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly aired the second part of a four-part interview (!) at 8pm against MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, which had a live interview with Obama on "Countdown."
Winner? O'Reilly, in a landslide. O'Reilly's "Factor" drew 4.6 million viewers for the hour, more than twice Olbermann's 1.9 million, according to Nielsen. It was a bit of a come-down for O'Reilly, though. The first part of his interview, which aired Thursday, drew 6.6 million viewers, his second-biggest audience ever.
The two interviews could have hardly followed different scripts. Excerpts: O'Reilly called the candidate "Robin Hood Obama" and called his tax plan a "socialist tenet." Olbermann asked Obama, "have you thought about getting angrier?"
here is ratings of obama interviews maybe posted ???
http://www.alleyinsider.com/2008/9/fox-news-o-reilly-stomps-msnbc-s-olbermann-with-obama-interviewQuoteSo much for home field advantage. Cable news outlets shouting from opposite ends of the political spectrum both aired sit-downs with Barack Obama on Monday night. Fox News' Bill O'Reilly aired the second part of a four-part interview (!) at 8pm against MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, which had a live interview with Obama on "Countdown."
Winner? O'Reilly, in a landslide. O'Reilly's "Factor" drew 4.6 million viewers for the hour, more than twice Olbermann's 1.9 million, according to Nielsen. It was a bit of a come-down for O'Reilly, though. The first part of his interview, which aired Thursday, drew 6.6 million viewers, his second-biggest audience ever.
The two interviews could have hardly followed different scripts. Excerpts: O'Reilly called the candidate "Robin Hood Obama" and called his tax plan a "socialist tenet." Olbermann asked Obama, "have you thought about getting angrier?"
She really deserves the liar label that Gore got back in 2000. The problem is that he got it because it was repeated ad nauseum, not because of actual lies. It's a question of whether Obama's willing to push this and if the media will bite.
Also, there's a rumor going around now that the reason Track Palin enlisted was to avoid jail time after vandalizing forty school buses.
I have no idea whether her incompetence gets through to the audience from that interview, though.
I have no idea whether her incompetence gets through to the audience from that interview, though.
Entertainment Tonight last night snipped together various pieces and she sounded great. So, if you're just the average person that only turns in here and there, then she's probably fine.
I still can't believe she didn't know the meaning of the Bush Doctrine on the day her son was deployed to Iraq.
Also, there's a rumor going around now that the reason Track Palin enlisted was to avoid jail time after vandalizing forty school buses.
In haven't heard that. Is there a legitimate source?
I have no idea whether her incompetence gets through to the audience from that interview, though.
Entertainment Tonight last night snipped together various pieces and she sounded great. So, if you're just the average person that only turns in here and there, then she's probably fine.
I still can't believe she didn't know the meaning of the Bush Doctrine on the day her son was deployed to Iraq.
Who cares? You're in LOVE!
So Sarah Palin, Mrs. Hockey Mom housewife-cum-small-town gossip merchant and cheap little guttersnipe, suppose you shut up and allowed real politicians and diplomats to do their work? Threatening Russia with a war is perhaps the most irresponsible thing anyone could do at this moment in time. Have you any idea what a nuclear holocaust is? Have you any notion of the power of Russia’s armed forces? Did you know that Russia has enough missiles to destroy any target anywhere on Earth in seconds?
And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.
Head over heels... :heartbeat :heartbeat :heartbeatShe shot you in the heart with loves arrow from a plane.
Just a cursory peak on Google and it looks like the Track Palin rumors are false. Just more smearing. But, what else is new?
i have a bunch of hipster/folkie quasi-friends from Alaska and they are AWESOME, especially the women (even though she won't call me). targeting Palin is cool and all, but Alaska is not acceptable collateral damage :maf
Russian editorial: "Palin – the Devil in disguise" (http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/columnists/12-09-2008/106354-palindevil-0)holy shiiiiiiiiit :roflQuoteSo Sarah Palin, Mrs. Hockey Mom housewife-cum-small-town gossip merchant and cheap little guttersnipe, suppose you shut up and allowed real politicians and diplomats to do their work? Threatening Russia with a war is perhaps the most irresponsible thing anyone could do at this moment in time. Have you any idea what a nuclear holocaust is? Have you any notion of the power of Russia’s armed forces? Did you know that Russia has enough missiles to destroy any target anywhere on Earth in seconds?
And have you not forgotten, you pith-headed little bimbo from the back of beyond, that small detail about the slaughter of Russian citizens by Georgians, which started the whole debacle? So next time suppose you keep your mouth shut and while you’re at it, make sure the members of your family keep their legs shut too. Your country has enough failed mothers as it is.
Activists at a conservative political forum snapped up boxes of waffle mix depicting Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama as a racial stereotype on its front and wearing Arab-like headdress on its top flap.that is amazing. yet why am i not surprised
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Republican Party stalwarts Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney were among speakers at the forum, which officials said drew 2,100 activists from 44 states.
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Asked if he considered the pictures of Obama on the box to be racial stereotypes, Whitlock said: "We had some people mention that to us, but you think of Newman's Own or Emeril's — there are tons and tons of personality-branded food products on the market. So we've taken that model and, using political satire, have highlighted his policies, his position changes."
The socially conservative public policy groups American Values and Focus on the Family Action co-sponsored the summit.
After about 6+ months of using 538 as the definitive polling analysis source, GAF has decided they suddenly don't like their methodoly. Ah...good times.
WASILLA, Alaska — Gov. Sarah Palin lives by the maxim that all politics is local, not to mention personal.
So when there was a vacancy at the top of the State Division of Agriculture, she appointed a high school classmate, Franci Havemeister, to the $95,000-a-year directorship. A former real estate agent, Ms. Havemeister cited her childhood love of cows as a qualification for running the roughly $2 million agency.
Ms. Havemeister was one of at least five schoolmates Ms. Palin hired, often at salaries far exceeding their private sector wages.
When Ms. Palin had to cut her first state budget, she avoided the legion of frustrated legislators and mayors. Instead, she huddled with her budget director and her husband, Todd, an oil field worker who is not a state employee, and vetoed millions of dollars of legislative projects.
And four months ago, a Wasilla blogger, Sherry Whitstine, who chronicles the governor’s career with an astringent eye, answered her phone to hear an assistant to the governor on the line, she said.
“You should be ashamed!” Ivy Frye, the assistant, told her. “Stop blogging. Stop blogging right now!”
nvm!
The new mayor also tended carefully to her evangelical base. She appointed a pastor to the town planning board. And she began to eye the library. For years, social conservatives had pressed the library director to remove books they considered immoral.
Huffington Post does a good job consolidating dirt I care about; and its legitimate dirt. No im not talking about the colored commentary, im talking about the videos and hard evidence provided in between. There is nothing wrong with posting FACTS where they can be found. Its not like we were all spamming the 'distinguished mentally-challenged fellow baby really her daughters' story or that we're taken in by every fucking rumor. The shit we post is legitimate dirt on a shitty fucking candidate. grow a pairi was just suggesting that leaning on NYT and Huff, who are so clearly one of thos Web 2.0 circle jerk blogs that obsess over one side over the other, should be done minimally and in moderation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBFk9XC3YLs
Tina Fey, made for the role
i'd prefer we wean off of Huffington or NYT
CNN just debunked a bunch of these internet rumors.
If you're gonna find something on the left that matches the hysterical race war clash of civilizations viewpoint from LGF you'll need a heavy dose of Truthers, which I assume DU has.
a) obama is not even close to a socialist (and it's a shame), and b) most conserva-tards don't even know what socialism is.Some of his policies (or goals if you'd prefer to call them that) adopt tools of socialism.
a) obama is not even close to a socialist (and it's a shame), and b) most conserva-tards don't even know what socialism is.Some of his policies (or goals if you'd prefer to call them that) adopt tools of socialism.
I'm beginning to think that while Obama may be the President that we in America need, McCain might be the President we deserve. :(
God, I fucking hate this country. I especially will if McCain and this fucking pathetic excuse for a vice president get elected.
:maf
People are fucking distinguished mentally-challenged.
I'm beginning to think that while Obama may be the President that we in America need, McCain might be the President we deserve. :(
This. We're that fucking stupid.
The Palin bounce has erased Obama's lead in the national polls, and it has now cut into his electoral-vote advantage, according to NBC’s latest map. Obama holds a 233-227 edge here, down from his 228-200 advantage from last week. The biggest changes: We moved Florida -- with its 27 electoral votes -- from Toss-up to Lean McCain, and New Mexico from Toss-up to Lean Obama. We also shifted Oregon and Washington from Likely Obama to Lean Obama, as well as Alaska, Georgia, North Dakota and South Dakota from Lean McCain to Likely McCain. The good news for McCain is that the map looks better for him than at any point so far in this race, and many of those red states that looked like opportunities for Obama (AK, GA, IN) look to be longer shots for him. The bad news for McCain is that given the wave his campaign has been riding from the Palin bounce, is this as good as it gets? If he isn’t leading in some states now, he might not ever lead in them. Bottom line: You'll know the map is starting to move in one direction or the other if either Pennsylvania or Florida moves back into Toss-up before Election Day.
PALIN :rock
I would put money on mccain at this point.
"She has no experience!"
It's fair to assume that Barack Obama believed he was qualified to be in the White House when he announced he was running for president. At that point, he had been a U.S. Senator for 767 days. When Sarah Palin was announced as a vice presidential candidate, she had been the governor of Alaska for 634 days.
While I'm sure those extra 133 days were filled with personal discovery, I can't imagine anyone seriously trying to make the case that Obama is experienced and Palin isn't.
Unless, of course, you're Matt Damon, who said a Palin presidency would be a really "scary thing" because she has been "governor of Alaska for...for less than two years!" (Damon originally expressed his presidential preference for Obama in December 2006, when he had been a senator for less than two years.)
More importantly, Palin's career has been filled with executive experience. She's the only one of the four in this race who has run a business, town, and/or state (a state that gives her crucial energy experience in the middle of an energy crisis).
When Obama's campaign complains that Palin would be one heartbeat away from the presidency, they should consider that their candidate would be zero heartbeats away.
Obama's career preceding joining the Senate was very different from Palin's. Looking at it as two years as a governor vs two years as a senator is just dumb.
Obama's career preceding joining the Senate was very different from Palin's. Looking at it as two years as a governor vs two years as a senator is just dumb.
community organizer. So much more experience.
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community organizer. So much more experience.
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More than 150,000 new voters registered ::)Obama's career preceding joining the Senate was very different from Palin's. Looking at it as two years as a governor vs two years as a senator is just dumb.
community organizer. So much more experience.
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I think I would place 'tells the truth' over experience, but since Palin does nothing but lie...
i like how republicans totally dismiss Obama's time as a state legislature unless they're using it to attack him (sex ed)
She hasn't done anything but make leaning red states become red states again.
Why the hell isn't Obama more on the offense about the economy? :-\
I really hope Obama kicks some serious ass in the debates and moves on the offensive PRONTO.
community organizer. So much more experience.
::)
i'm amazed how quickly the right has turned against the community driven faith based initiatives and charity work just to score political points against their opponent.
More than 150,000 new voters registered ::)Obama's career preceding joining the Senate was very different from Palin's. Looking at it as two years as a governor vs two years as a senator is just dumb.
community organizer. So much more experience.
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Also, president of Harvard Law Review, and professor/lecturer of constitutional law, and a state senator. All ::)-worthy stuff of course.
Though really this discussion is just distraction from the fact that she's a lying fundie. The experience issue was originally the concern of those who didn't back Obama anyway.
She hasn't done anything but make leaning red states become red states again.
Keep telling yourself that!
Well, since he announced his candidacy, Barack Obama has raised about $22 million a month. That's a large organization for sure, unless you are directly comparing it to Sarah Palin, who is handling state revenues that are about 61 times as large, or more than $1.3 billion per month.
Why the hell isn't Obama more on the offense about the economy? :-\
I really hope Obama kicks some serious ass in the debates and moves on the offensive PRONTO.
He can only promise windfall taxes so many times before people realize that he just advocating punishment for succeeding.
Florida wasn't leaning red - it was a toss up.
cool, he'd make a great lawyer then wouldn't he? Also, You do realize that Democrats are using the same tactic against her on experience right? Or are you conveniently overlooking that as well?Well the President is supposed to enforce the laws of the country. Might as well be familiar with them.
Why the hell isn't Obama more on the offense about the economy? :-\
I really hope Obama kicks some serious ass in the debates and moves on the offensive PRONTO.
He can only promise windfall taxes so many times before people realize that he just advocating punishment for succeeding.
I'm going by the MSNBC map, which is where the article is pulled from. You can't compare two different maps!
cool, he'd make a great lawyer then wouldn't he? Also, You do realize that Democrats are using the same tactic against her on experience right? Or are you conveniently overlooking that as well?Well the President is supposed to enforce the laws of the country. Might as well be familiar with them.
Experience is a weakness for both, of course they'll be attacked by opponents on the point.
I personally think that Obama's experience is more relevant. Palin has a recorded history of disinterest in the world outside of Alaska, which is OK for a governor of Alaska... but (vice) President? Though I guess it worked out for GWB.
But like I edited in to my earlier post, the argument is a distraction. If you vote based on who's inexperience is less problematic, Obama or Palin, then you've got some weird priorities.
He can only promise windfall taxes so many times before people realize that he just advocating punishment for succeeding.
It is embarrassing that a candidate for president of the USA has become irrelevant to his own campaign, and is gaining in the polls because of it.
community organizer. So much more experience.
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i'm amazed how quickly the right has turned against the community driven faith based initiatives and charity work just to score political points against their opponent.
dude, where did I say that I was against community events? Please show me. And no, my post you qouted doesn't say that, lol.
Maybe Obama if elected does better since he got a Harvard degree.
community organizer. So much more experience.
::)
i'm amazed how quickly the right has turned against the community driven faith based initiatives and charity work just to score political points against their opponent.
dude, where did I say that I was against community events? Please show me. And no, my post you qouted doesn't say that, lol.
you'll notice i didn't say "you." my comment was directed more toward the general tone i've seen taken (if you need specifics please refer to Rudy's 9/11 - 8 speech). To deride community organizers is really a disingenuous mode of attack.
QuoteMaybe Obama if elected does better since he got a Harvard degree.
Wasn't he also elected Harvard Law Review president?
As far as education and knowledge of the law goes, that Yale degree GWB got really helped him didnt it? :lol :lol
Maybe Obama if elected does better since he got a Harvard degree.
QuoteMaybe Obama if elected does better since he got a Harvard degree.
Wasn't he also elected Harvard Law Review president?
If you're a minority and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "token hire."
If you're a conservative and you're selected for a job over more qualified candidates you're a "game changer."
Black teen pregnancies? A "crisis" in black America.
White teen pregnancies? A "blessed event."
If you grow up in Hawaii you're "exotic."
Grow up in Alaska eating mooseburgers, you're the quintessential "American story."
Similarly, if you name you kid Barack you're "unpatriotic."
Name your kid Track, you're "colorful."
If you're a Democrat and you make a VP pick without fully vetting the individual you're "reckless."
A Republican who doesn't fully vet is a "maverick."
If you spend 3 years as a community organizer growing your organization from a staff of 1 to 13 and your budget from $70,000 to $400,000, then become the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter registration drive that registers 150,000 new African Amerian voters, spend 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, then spend nearly 8 more years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, becoming chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, then spend nearly 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of nearly 13 million people, sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, you are woefully inexperienced.
If you spend 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000 people, then spend 20 months as the governor of a state with 650,000 people, then you've got the most executive experience of anyone on either ticket, are the Commander in Chief of the Alaska military and are well qualified to lead the nation should you be called upon to do so because your state is the closest state to Russia.
If you are a Democratic male candidate who is popular with millions of people you are an "arrogant celebrity".
If you are a popular Republican female candidate you are "energizing the base".
If you are a younger male candidate who thinks for himself and makes his own decisions you are "presumptuous".
If you are an older male candidate who makes last minute decisions you refuse to explain, you are a "shoot from the hip" maverick.
If you are a candidate with a Harvard law degree you are "an elitist-out of touch" with the real America.
if you are a legacy (dad and granddad were admirals) graduate of Anapolis, with multiple disciplinary infractions you are a hero.
If you manage a multi-million dollar nationwide campaign, you are an "empty suit".
If you are a part time mayor of a town of 7000 people, you are an "experienced executive".
If you go to a south side Chicago church, your beliefs are "extremist".
If you believe in creationism and don't believe global warming is man made, you are "strongly principled".
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you're a Christian.
If you have been married to the same woman with whom you've been wed to for 19 years and raising 2 beautiful daughters with, you're "risky".
If you're a black single mother of 4 who waits for 22 hours after her water breaks to seek medical attention, you're an irresponsible parent, endangering the life of your unborn child.
But if you're a white married mother who waits 22 hours, you're spunky.
If you're a 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton, the right-wing press calls you "First dog."
If you're a 17-year old pregnant unwed daughter of a Republican, the right-wing press calls you "beautiful" and "courageous."
If you kill an endangered species, you're an excellent hunter.
If you have an abortion your not a christian, you're a murderer ( forget about if it happen while being date raped.)
If you teach abstinence only in sex education, you get teen parents.
If you teach responsible age appropriate sex education, including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of society.
If you're a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.
If you're a Democratic Senator who is out of public office and have an affair, your political career is over and your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.
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If Obama hasn't run a counter ad yet, this is the shit that'll hurt him. I was in the Giant today and all these women that worked there kept talking about this ad and how wrong Obama was.
If you're a Republican senator who solicits gay sex in an airport bathroom, you get to return to your job in the Senate and are encouraged to run for re-election.
If you're a Democratic Senator who is out of public office and have an affair, your political career is over and your wife who has terminal cancer is to blame.
As far as education and knowledge of the law goes, that Yale degree GWB got really helped him didnt it? :lol :lol
Maybe Obama if elected does better since he got a Harvard degree.
GWB was a mediocre student at Yale, at a time when admission wasn't strictly based on merit, and was not accepted to law school. Obama, on the other hand, graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (even if Obama was an AA entrant, he was competing against other students who weren't and did significantly better than most of them).
Not exactly the same thing.
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If Obama hasn't run a counter ad yet, this is the shit that'll hurt him. I was in the Giant today and all these women that worked there kept talking about this ad and how wrong Obama was.
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If Obama hasn't run a counter ad yet, this is the shit that'll hurt him. I was in the Giant today and all these women that worked there kept talking about this ad and how wrong Obama was.
When a man abandons his responsibility he's a bum, when a woman does it she's pro choice :P
When a man abandons his responsibility he's a bum, when a woman does it she's pro choice :P
When a man abandons his responsibility he's a bum, when a woman does it she's pro choice :P
You're presupposing that a woman has a responsibility to carry a fetus to term. And that if such a responsibility exists, it is equivalent to the responsibility a parent has for providing for his child, who has basic needs and requirements that must be met by someone.
:megarolleyes
This coming from Michigan? :lol
While I myself am against Abortion, I do see where a woman having a choice would be acceptable. But I can't help but wonder, with all these Abortions going on and such, how many potential AIDS virus solving scientists or new discoveries we are throwing away by doing so. Its not the kid's fault that his/her mother was raped. Why punish him/her for it?
I'm not even touching that one.
While I myself am against Abortion, I do see where a woman having a choice would be acceptable. But I can't help but wonder, with all these Abortions going on and such, how many potential AIDS virus solving scientists or new discoveries we are throwing away by doing so. Its not the kid's fault that his/her mother was raped. Why punish him/her for it?
how many aids solutions and new discoveries are we throwing away by dropping government funding for science to its lowest levels in this country's history, or by driving top scientists to other countries with our hatred of intellectualism, academia, and education?
republicans: so fucking dumb.
i propose a bill that makes abortions not only federally sponsored and mandatory for pregnant teens, but also requires that the fetuses be fired out of a cannon into ganhyun's house. prole/maf 2008, nukkaz
/me 's head hurts
leper plz
leper plz
wow so since my view is different and I don't suck Obama's cock 24/7
We do like the homoist undertones though. :-*leper plz
wow so since my view is different and I don't suck Obama's cock 24/7
hold on let's get something straight: we may like the boy but we sure aren't promoting interracial relations
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leper plz
wow so since my view is different and I don't suck Obama's cock 24/7 you want me lepered? lol. How is this place different from GAF then? Oh wait. Lepered doesn't = banned. Thats the only difference.
I remember posting in another thread I thought it was a mistake for the Obama team (or media supporters) to attack Palin's experience. Actually it was a mistake for them to focus so heavily on Palin period, they don't have to defeat her, but the guy above her, and it looks like McCain capitalized on that going by the polls. Now Palin finds herself in a mode similar to the rock start mode Obama was in during his trip to Europe.
So where are you guys moving to? Canada?
so they can beat the fuck out of her and force her to have a child she won't raise well? good thinkin'!
So where are you guys moving to? Canada?Nah. Even if McCain does get elected.
I remember posting in another thread I thought it was a mistake for the Obama team (or media supporters) to attack Palin's experience. Actually it was a mistake for them to focus so heavily on Palin period, they don't have to defeat her, but the guy above her, and it looks like McCain capitalized on that going by the polls. Now Palin finds herself in a mode similar to the rock start mode Obama was in during his trip to Europe.
Have you watched the campaign? Or are you another internet republican thinking the media = camp obama. camp obama ignored Palin long enough. McCain forced their hands by trying to spam america with lies.
so they can beat the fuck out of her and force her to have a child she won't raise well? good thinkin'!
Would you want your daughter to keep her pregnancy secret from her you?
You know what would be awesome prole? If that comic was funny.
Obama's career preceding joining the Senate was very different from Palin's. Looking at it as two years as a governor vs two years as a senator is just dumb.
community organizer. So much more experience.
::)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/chris-matthews-battles-na_n_126657.html -- lol, obama ISNT RAISING TAXES ON MIDDLE CLASS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/chris-matthews-battles-na_n_126657.html -- lol, obama ISNT RAISING TAXES ON MIDDLE CLASS
But he is raising taxes. Raising taxes -> more spending -> more taxes ->more spending -> more taxes. etc...
Its the circle oflifegovernment
It will be impossible to sustain (Liberals love that word) all the entitlements we have now let along all the extra ones Obama wants to shovel on us.
Clinton raised taxes and balanced the budget. His successor lowered taxed, especially on the rich, and yet he expanded government immensely and erased the Clinton era surpluses. Why does ''raising taxes'' raise such a red flag? You have to look at the proper context. Do you think the government can afford these massive deficits, fund to two wars, bail out two big mortgage brokers, while lowering taxes?http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/15/chris-matthews-battles-na_n_126657.html -- lol, obama ISNT RAISING TAXES ON MIDDLE CLASS
But he is raising taxes. Raising taxes -> more spending -> more taxes ->more spending -> more taxes. etc...
Its the circle oflifegovernment
It will be impossible to sustain (Liberals love that word) all the entitlements we have now let along all the extra ones Obama wants to shovel on us.
Clinton raised taxes and balanced the budget. His successor lowered taxed, especially on the rich, and yet he expanded government immensely and erased the Clinton era surpluses. Why does ''raising taxes'' raise such a red flag? You have to look at the proper context. Do you think the government can afford these massive deficits, fund to two wars, bail out two big mortgage brokers, while lowering taxes?
Abortion. ::)(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h61/Arde0/warmongerer.jpg)
Oh, how I wish the Republicans would make abortion the focal (and vocal) point of their campaign. Then we could all watch the flames.
So today I e-mailed my mother (very much a Christian) a link to Biden's speech. She's admitted to me that she doesn't know anything about politics, so I'm trying to help her reach an informed decision and not to just vote McCain "because Christians always vote Republican." Of course, her vote really doesn't matter because we live in California, which always goes blue, but I think I can convince her that Obama is the better candidate.
But her e-mail back to me just left me shaking my head.QuoteI was on the phone with Aunt (name removed) when I opened your email and so I read it out loud to her and she was surprised that you are pro Obama. She thinks he's going to usher in the anti-christ! I will try and listen to the speech later this evening or tomorrow. Right now I'm going to go start on dinner. . .
:( :( :(
The aunt in question lives in Indiana, and much of the rest of my family is scattered throughout Michigan and Ohio, some key battleground states. I hope the rest of my family is better informed. Granted, this aunt has always been a little bit loony, but still. All these fundamentalists voting for the Republican ticket out of habit just make me sick, especially considering that Obama is a Christian.
So today I e-mailed my mother (very much a Christian) a link to Biden's speech. She's admitted to me that she doesn't know anything about politics, so I'm trying to help her reach an informed decision and not to just vote McCain "because Christians always vote Republican." Of course, her vote really doesn't matter because we live in California, which always goes blue, but I think I can convince her that Obama is the better candidate.
But her e-mail back to me just left me shaking my head.QuoteI was on the phone with Aunt (name removed) when I opened your email and so I read it out loud to her and she was surprised that you are pro Obama. She thinks he's going to usher in the anti-christ! I will try and listen to the speech later this evening or tomorrow. Right now I'm going to go start on dinner. . .
:( :( :(
The aunt in question lives in Indiana, and much of the rest of my family is scattered throughout Michigan and Ohio, some key battleground states. I hope the rest of my family is better informed. Granted, this aunt has always been a little bit loony, but still. All these fundamentalists voting for the Republican ticket out of habit just make me sick, especially considering that Obama is a Christian.
:lolQuoteI was on the phone with Aunt (name removed) when I opened your email and so I read it out loud to her and she was surprised that you are pro Obama. She thinks he's going to usher in the anti-christ! I will try and listen to the speech later this evening or tomorrow. Right now I'm going to go start on dinner. . .
Shouldn't these people WANT the anti-christ to show up? The sooner he's here, the sooner they get raptured up. I thought the fulfillment of apocalyptic prophecy was part of the reason for vehemently protecting Israel's position in the middle east and so on.That's not the point. The point is that they stay true i.e. vote for God loving McCain and Palin while the rest vote for dark disciple Obama. Hence they'll get into heaven for being true to God while the rest burn in hell.
Those two votes I disagree with. Parents should know if little Suzie is knocked up and trying to get out of it.
Obama's career preceding joining the Senate was very different from Palin's. Looking at it as two years as a governor vs two years as a senator is just dumb.
community organizer. So much more experience.
::)
That was in the 80s dipfuck, he followed that up with being a Constitutional law professor, civil rights attorney, and more importantly, 7 years as a state congressman.
Also, Palin's problem isn't experience, it's qualification. SHE DOESN'T KNOW SHIT. Reading Obama's 4 year old book is enough to demonstrate how intelligent and knowledgeable and QUALIFIED he is, Palin can't string a sentence together about our country's most vague issues.
Also, sinc when is the life of service of a community organizer not something to be respected? Isn't the existence of these sorts of people required under the hands-off Republican style of government? Aren't they America's heroes, and teen preggers the villains?
But I agree, community fundraisers-etc are good things and shouldn't be attacked.
Those two votes I disagree with. Parents should know if little Suzie is knocked up and trying to get out of it.
I would like to submit this entry for Most Inadvertently Revealing Statement by a Conservative for the month of September.
Just read Ganhyun's follow-up (http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=24570.msg639180#msg639180) to that, which I might have to nominate for the most, um, Advertently Revealing Post.
Like you've never made a typo or mixed up multiple sentences when editing a post you've written?
Like you've never made a typo or mixed up multiple sentences when editing a post you've written?
mandark is strongly against the mixing of the sentences.
he's a good old fashion noun verb guy.
if you mix the sentences you get inbreeding so you'll get things like fragments or even worse...run ons.
now you'll see some people say that those are ok. that there's nothing wrong with "alternative" sentence structure. however, they know in their hearts that just isn't the truth. and sometimes, just sometimes, it can even kill a man.
like david foster wallace. pride of the "sentence mixers" who hung himself this past week.
tragic, i know. but i think everyone in this thread knows he'd be alive today if he would have just kept his sentences pure and american.
democratic govts are designed to act in the people's best interests
for-profit companies are designed to act in the company's interests
"increased profits" has never translated into "a healthy, long-lived public" -- EVER"
An exaggeration for sure
Profits mean a company is doing something that the public approves of.
QuoteProfits mean a company is doing something that the public approves of.
Fuck off a thousand times over. Tell that to Exxon
Quote"increased profits" has never translated into "a healthy, long-lived public" -- EVER"
So your business strategy is to not increase profits? Interesting idea. I'll email my business professor and see what he thinks about it.
QuoteProfits mean a company is doing something that the public approves of.
Fuck off a thousand times over. Tell that to Exxon
Do you buy gas? If yes than you are supporting their product. Ohhhhhh how evil of Exxon to want to sell you something. Perhaps you should move to Venezuela where Chavez can give it to you. Isnt that what you liberals want? Free shit from the government.
you DO understand that eric p said "designed", not "implemented".The only people who cant afford healthcare are poor people who dont work hard enough.
private healthcare doesn't work if people can't afford it.
no, profits mean the company is doing something the shareholders' largely approve of. note that the shareholders are a very tiny segment of the public, and even then, many disapprove if the price is environmental damage or the exploitation of workers.
The only people who cant afford healthcare are poor people who dont work hard enough.
I honestly can't believe such arrogance and stupidity exists in this country.
How the fuck am I supposed to get where I need to be with my car without buying gas? I have no other alternative: I have to drive to my hometown almost every single weekend. Try that on a bike. Or walking. Or cut off your dick, I don't care.
We buy the gas because we HAVE to buy gas, not because we approve of the "great business choices" they're making. I honestly can't believe you said that, now I KNOW you're a fucking moron.
Republicans: Fuck your complaining, it's all in your head! See! Gas prices are actually pretty good!
more specifically, in the shareholders' single-minded interests
"increased profits" has never translated into "a healthy, long-lived public" -- EVER
I cannot understand why liberals complain about Gas prices. Go to liberal heaven (Europe) and see how much gas is there. We have it pretty darn good hear. Not to mention that most economists agree it was a fluke when gas was $.90 a gallon back in the late 90s.
republicans: so very dumb
you DO understand that eric p said "designed", not "implemented".The only people who cant afford healthcare are poor people who dont work hard enough.
private healthcare doesn't work if people can't afford it.
Borders Books and Music doesn't even pay the state minimum :(
Borders Books and Music doesn't even pay the state minimum :(
Isn't that illegal?
Whaaa?Borders Books and Music doesn't even pay the state minimum :(
Isn't that illegal?
Who should regulate this? A private firm? Or maybe we shouldn't have any regulation; leave that up to the companies, they know what's best for the people!
John McCain Rolls Out New Economic Policy, "Work Harder, Stop Complaining"
Either you happily pay exorbitant prices for gas, or you're a pinko.
Cameras will be placed at all pumps to check for smiles; a good declaration of, "Boy, paying for this feels good, I earned this money!" is always helpful in speeding up the process.
Anyone without a grin of mandated proportions will be deported to Commie-Land.
There is probably a state regulatory board.
Borders Books and Music doesn't even pay the state minimum :(
Isn't that illegal?
Whaaa?Borders Books and Music doesn't even pay the state minimum :(
Isn't that illegal?
Who should regulate this? A private firm? Or maybe we shouldn't have any regulation; leave that up to the companies, they know what's best for the people!
There is probably a state regulatory board.
There is probably a state regulatory board.
Damn big government. If people aren't satisfied with their pay, they should work harder to find a better job. If they continue on working, they're obviously happy with their wages.
I have just entered some kind of bizarro world where liberals dont want the government to enforce minimum wage.
This is gay and a waste of my time.
Fact of the matter is that Obama is more likely to give tax relief to the majority of Americans than McCain, but somehow that DOES NOT MATTER.
Hmm, way to not keep reading the thread and see my next post where I admit that both sides used this trick on each other. Also, I myself never said I was against community organizations, in fact I believe I admitted backing them? Way to read fucktwit.
I especially get pissed when he blames his dirty campaign on obama for not wanting to do things his way.
I have just entered some kind of bizarro world where liberals dont want the government to enforce minimum wage.
This is gay and a waste of my time.
republicans: so very dumb
I'm not sure if "dumb" is the correct descriptor, but this need to rely on exaggeration is certainly entertaining, in a sitcom sort of way. And if exaggeration doesn't bite, try baseline mockery (irrespective of whether or not there is an actual base for mockery or not, or whether or not it could possibly be applied to the mocking party itself). Their "points" can't be reasonably validated, so fuck reason, and reasonable examples. The Playground argumentative and analytical system, a valid choice for political debate in 2008!
QuoteProfits mean a company is doing something that the public approves of.
Fuck off a thousand times over. Tell that to Exxon
Do you buy gas? If yes than you are supporting their product. Ohhhhhh how evil of Exxon to want to sell you something. Perhaps you should move to Venezuela where Chavez can give it to you. Isnt that what you liberals want? Free shit from the government.
Fact of the matter is that Obama is more likely to give tax relief to the majority of Americans than McCain, but somehow that DOES NOT MATTER.
It's class warfare! :oreillyQuoteHmm, way to not keep reading the thread and see my next post where I admit that both sides used this trick on each other. Also, I myself never said I was against community organizations, in fact I believe I admitted backing them? Way to read fucktwit.
Hey cuntbutt, I read your backpedaling. Fact is the people you support took a big shit on community organizing and I wasn't talking exclusively to you. And there's no way to paint your post as anything but derisive, backpedal or not.
That was in the 80s dipfuck
REPUBLICAN MELTDOWN
I dont get why ANYONE making less than 250k a year is a republican aside from giving in to fear.
I dont get why ANYONE making less than 250k a year is a republican aside from giving in to fear.
especially given that obama is going to REDUCE their tax burden by shifting it to the rich folk
then again, most idiots who make 60k/household think they are "rich," and the gop preys on their ignorance
fuckers, you aren't upper-class until you crest at LEAST 250k/year, if not more
hell, my brother makes over 300k/yr and he's a dirty librul -- far moreso than even me -- and he has no problem paying higher taxes even though he'd take home more at a lower bracket because he understands that without a stable social infrastructure there is no market for boutique graphics design
stupid dirty american middle-class who don't realize they NEED government breaks and assistance
i can't even begin to understand that comic
so, lemme try
the vice presidential "ring" of all things is desired by the evil lord WHO -- it can't be hilary, because she's gollum
but plucky palin happened upon it while having a riddle content with hilary
so palin will take the ring to mount doom -- i mean the white house -- and cast it into the fire to end the power of the vice presidency forever WHAT
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT
WHAT
*** SEGMENTATION FAULT at 0x00FE330892 in pprole.exe: CORE DUMPED ***
hell, my brother makes over 300k/yr and he's a dirty librul -- far moreso than even me -- and he has no problem paying higher taxes even though he'd take home more at a lower bracket because he understands that without a stable social infrastructure there is no market for boutique graphics design
I dont get why ANYONE making less than 250k a year is a republican aside from giving in to fear.
especially given that obama is going to REDUCE their tax burden by shifting it to the rich folk
then again, most idiots who make 60k/household think they are "rich," and the gop preys on their ignorance
fuckers, you aren't upper-class until you crest at LEAST 250k/year, if not more
hell, my brother makes over 300k/yr and he's a dirty librul -- far moreso than even me -- and he has no problem paying higher taxes even though he'd take home more at a lower bracket because he understands that without a stable social infrastructure there is no market for boutique graphics design
stupid dirty american middle-class who don't realize they NEED government breaks and assistance
300k per year for boutique graphics design? WTF have I been wasting my time on? :'(
I seen this somewhere on the web this weekend. I figured i'd share it with you guys since I know the more liberal of you will want to slam it. :D
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I dont get why ANYONE making less than 250k a year is a republican aside from giving in to fear.
especially given that obama is going to REDUCE their tax burden by shifting it to the rich folk
then again, most idiots who make 60k/household think they are "rich," and the gop preys on their ignorance
fuckers, you aren't upper-class until you crest at LEAST 250k/year, if not more
hell, my brother makes over 300k/yr and he's a dirty librul -- far moreso than even me -- and he has no problem paying higher taxes even though he'd take home more at a lower bracket because he understands that without a stable social infrastructure there is no market for boutique graphics design
stupid dirty american middle-class who don't realize they NEED government breaks and assistance
300k per year for boutique graphics design? WTF have I been wasting my time on? :'(
he is an actual entrepreneur with the drive, passion, and talent most americans wish they had -- and unlike most folks in his pay bracket, he actually earns his money
yet he also recognizes a need for a stable society and his own social responsibility
maybe it's this maturity and perspective that makes him a true entrepreneur, and not an entrepreneur groupie/wannabe like most middle-class republicans
About the minimum wage thing I'd just like to say this. While I'm sure it was done for a good purpose it has had a small negative affect on the middle class. I can think of a couple of local examples where small businesses raised prices on their products the day it was raised, one even posted a sign about it (which is bad considering prices have increased due to gas prices anyway.) Some cut hours, other hired less, and some put more responsibility on the worker to in their eyes justify the increase.
I guess my question is how much have we helped someone when we throw them a dollar more, but the business in turn raises prices on certain products say 20%, and how did that help the middle class making things 20% more expensive for them?
Can't we find a solution to provide more jobs that are better than minimum wage jobs in this country? I suppose some of the problems with that are also connected to our education issues, but it's just a thought, carry on.
Most of the skilled labor is shipped overseas to save money, I am not so certain its an education issue even if lately, its become clear the quality of our education is fading. I mean we can bitch and moan bout min wage, but its really the low wage in some other country and a company's ability to shove work over there that hurts us.
I dont get why ANYONE making less than 250k a year is a republican aside from giving in to fear.
especially given that obama is going to REDUCE their tax burden by shifting it to the rich folk
then again, most idiots who make 60k/household think they are "rich," and the gop preys on their ignorance
fuckers, you aren't upper-class until you crest at LEAST 250k/year, if not more
hell, my brother makes over 300k/yr and he's a dirty librul -- far moreso than even me -- and he has no problem paying higher taxes even though he'd take home more at a lower bracket because he understands that without a stable social infrastructure there is no market for boutique graphics design
stupid dirty american middle-class who don't realize they NEED government breaks and assistance
300k per year for boutique graphics design? WTF have I been wasting my time on? :'(
he is an actual entrepreneur with the drive, passion, and talent most americans wish they had -- and unlike most folks in his pay bracket, he actually earns his money
yet he also recognizes a need for a stable society and his own social responsibility
maybe it's this maturity and perspective that makes him a true entrepreneur, and not an entrepreneur groupie/wannabe like most middle-class republicans
You can't get the last point through to Ganhyun, and now I know why: Rob Smith cartoons are inspiration for his political observations.
Ganhyun even admitted in his original post that he didnt know what to think of the comic. Poli-bore SMH.
Ganhyun even admitted in his original post that he didnt know what to think of the comic. Poli-bore SMH.
lol Beardo. Its ok. Since i admitted I have Conservative leanings on alot of issues, Poli-bore does what they can, at least some do not all, to try and discredit me. The funny thing is, I must not be some total monster if MAF an I shared the same idea on the cause of a problem.
I can agree with most of that. But how do you tell parents to shape up and start teaching their kids the value of education.
The conservative in me would start preaching family values and involvement when it comes to education, but also teachers need to be paid more, and rewarded long term: A lot of teachers burn out within two years, after pouring all of their enthusiasm and sometimes some of their own money to properly educate children in an overcrowded and underfunded classroom. That deserves far more than a pat on the back.
I also think the drive for quality education begins at home and ends in school. If parents don't spend time methodically educating their children and fostering a desire to learn, then the kids probably wont give much a shit. Too many parents believe their child is some genius and they'll just go about learn'n their own way, but i believe children are largely a product of their environment, and if a parent fails to create the proper environment well then its over before it started.
I can agree with most of that. But how do you tell parents to shape up and start teaching their kids the value of education.
The conservative in me would start preaching family values and involvement when it comes to education, but also teachers need to be paid more, and rewarded long term: A lot of teachers burn out within two years, after pouring all of their enthusiasm and sometimes some of their own money to properly educate children in an overcrowded and underfunded classroom. That deserves far more than a pat on the back.qft
I also think the drive for quality education begins at home and ends in school. If parents don't spend time methodically educating their children and fostering a desire to learn, then the kids probably wont give much a shit. Too many parents believe their child is some genius and they'll just go about learn'n their own way, but i believe children are largely a product of their environment, and if a parent fails to create the proper environment well then its over before it started.
Actually Wilco the rising cost of education is a result of the rise government loans for education. If more people can go to college it will cost more which in turn leads to needing more money which will make college even more expensive.
Why would Pell Grants raise the price? It's federal financial aid exclusively for low income families, which has no bearing on the cost of tuition. A university won't raise the price on tuition to avoid dirty poors entrance - that's silly.
The reality is what the two of you GOP dumbfucks fail to realize: over the past eight years, under mostly Republican rule (Maryland included - fuck you Erhlich!), universities have seen their state and federal funds cut.
Colleges are even bigger of a joke. Even kids that live comfortably, such as myself, require assistance from their parents in the way of credit checks or what have you. What about kids whose parents have awful credit? Who make nothing? Even if they get government assistance, it rarely covers the total cost of education and the loans are huge.
same here, the wife and i have no problem with paying taxes and we're in one of the higher tax brackets. in fact, it's part of our budget so it doesn't come as a surprise at the end of the year.
We got bumped into a higher bracket last year, so we're taxed even more now. Hooray for all the interest we're paying on our mortgage!
Colleges are even bigger of a joke. Even kids that live comfortably, such as myself, require assistance from their parents in the way of credit checks or what have you. What about kids whose parents have awful credit? Who make nothing? Even if they get government assistance, it rarely covers the total cost of education and the loans are huge.
I wasn't able to transfer to a university for 3 years because I couldn't get financial aid, since I wasn't living with my parents (that was 3 years AFTER I completed my required units, mind you). The whole FAFSA thing seriously needs a fucking rewrite.
Why would Pell Grants raise the price? It's federal financial aid exclusively for low income families, which has no bearing on the cost of tuition. A university won't raise the price on tuition to avoid dirty poors entrance - that's silly.
The reality is what the two of you GOP dumbfucks fail to realize: over the past eight years, under mostly Republican rule (Maryland included - fuck you Erhlich!), universities have seen their state and federal funds cut.
Well, not sure about all the states, but I didnt realize PELL was dirty poor only. so I retract the statement that it is part of reason tution costs rose. I couldnt get it, I could only get HOPE anyway myself.
But I know GA limited HOPE to a certain number of credit hours per person because they started finding that basically the same people over and over and over kept going back to school on HOPE's dime and getting several different associates degrees and such and never actually working. It was as if school was their job.
One of the Huffington Post articles stated that McCain and one of his spokespersons defended the sex-ed ad attacking Obama. To anyone who saw it: how exactly did they go about defending something like that?
One of the Huffington Post articles stated that McCain and one of his spokespersons defended the sex-ed ad attacking Obama. To anyone who saw it: how exactly did they go about defending something like that?
The only people who cant afford healthcare are poor people who dont work hard enough.
I can think of a couple of local examples where small businesses raised prices on their products the day it was raised, one even posted a sign about it (which is bad considering prices have increased due to gas prices anyway.)
I guess my question is how much have we helped someone when we throw them a dollar more, but the business in turn raises prices on certain products say 20%, and how did that help the middle class making things 20% more expensive for them?
John McCain Rolls Out New Economic Policy, "Work Harder, Stop Complaining"
what's the obsession with keeping kids ignorant about sex? a healthy discussion about it sure beats having them inevitably learn about it from mtv, miley cyrus, and consumer culture in general
BOBOBOBO THE MARKET SEZ SEX SELLS
Why would Pell Grants raise the price? It's federal financial aid exclusively for low income families, which has no bearing on the cost of tuition. A university won't raise the price on tuition to avoid dirty poors entrance - that's silly.
The reality is what the two of you GOP dumbfucks fail to realize: over the past eight years, under mostly Republican rule (Maryland included - fuck you Erhlich!), universities have seen their state and federal funds cut.
Well, not sure about all the states, but I didnt realize PELL was dirty poor only. so I retract the statement that it is part of reason tution costs rose. I couldnt get it, I could only get HOPE anyway myself.
But I know GA limited HOPE to a certain number of credit hours per person because they started finding that basically the same people over and over and over kept going back to school on HOPE's dime and getting several different associates degrees and such and never actually working. It was as if school was their job.
so you point to a few folks that abuse the system, and suddenly those edge cases are the root cause? how do you feel about them welfare moms?
On afternoon conference call, Obama and Michigan Democratic officials say they are seeking an injunction to block alleged “caging” by the state GOP– using home foreclosure lists to seek to block residents from voting.http://thepage.time.com/2008/09/16/o...hisement-plan/
Obama counsel Bob Bauer: “It is an absolute attack on their right to vote” and a “completely false and completely illegal basis” to challenge votes.
“This is a standard operating procedure within the Republican party that’s been under legal challenge.”
The Macomb party chair denies the comments attributed to him.
Too bad the media doesn't matter. They've convinced the dumbs to go one way already, and the dumbs will not change course in fear of looking WRONG.
society will ALWAYS have leeches. to make welfare work perfectly, you will hafta raise taxes and create an untenable bureaucracy chasing an unrealistic dream. really, shouldn't you be happy that your granny is getting the assistance she needs, and spend less time worrying about society's worthless leeches? remove welfare, and they will find new ways to be leeches -- it's what they do. part of becoming an adult is recognizing that there will ALWAYS be people who are little boils on society in general, and that is neither your duty nor obligation to hold society back or refuse to help people because of said leeches existence.
Dude, some spokesperson for McCain claimed he created the BlackBerry today.He meant that he planted the first blackberry bush.
her flight layover in Ireland constituting as foreign policy experience
I was in class all morning; I can't believe this thread has moved so fast. Has FoC created more joke characters?Dude it's a fucking example I'm in a chair i'm not currently comparing receipts. And you're also assuming you know every product I'm referring too. But I pulled part of that example out of my wallet if you must know. :'(I can think of a couple of local examples where small businesses raised prices on their products the day it was raised, one even posted a sign about it (which is bad considering prices have increased due to gas prices anyway.)
This assumes that the merchant is being honest, and not using this as a convenient opportunity to raise prices.
I guess my question is how much have we helped someone when we throw them a dollar more, but the business in turn raises prices on certain products say 20%, and how did that help the middle class making things 20% more expensive for them?
Such large increases in prices could not result from such small increases in salaries for such a small part of the economy. I think less than 2% of workers make the federal minimum wage or less. And their wages account for far less than 1% of the costs of all goods and services in America. So how would an increase in their wages lead to things being 20% more expensive for the middle class.
For example, if you doubled farm laborers' salaries, you would increase the price of lettuce by only six percent. Now this is a good which requires many low wage earners. Other good, like cars, which require few low wage earners, would not be affected at all.
Don't pull numbers from your ass.
He added, though, that McCain — who has struggled to stress his economic credentials this cycle — did have experience dealing with the economy, pointing to his time on the Senate Commerce Committee. Pressed to provide an example of what McCain had accomplished on that committee, Holtz-Eakin said the senator did not have jurisdiction over financial markets — then held up his Blackberry, telling reporters: “He did this.”
How would you guys feel about taxing the FUCK out of all companies that move jobs overseas?I can support this and give the tax cuts to the companies that leave the jobs here. :american
I was in class all morning; I can't believe this thread has moved so fast. Has FoC created more joke characters?Dude it's a fucking example I'm in a chair i'm not currently comparing receipts. And you're also assuming you know every product I'm referring too. But I pulled part of that example out of my wallet if you must know. :'(I can think of a couple of local examples where small businesses raised prices on their products the day it was raised, one even posted a sign about it (which is bad considering prices have increased due to gas prices anyway.)
This assumes that the merchant is being honest, and not using this as a convenient opportunity to raise prices.
I guess my question is how much have we helped someone when we throw them a dollar more, but the business in turn raises prices on certain products say 20%, and how did that help the middle class making things 20% more expensive for them?
Such large increases in prices could not result from such small increases in salaries for such a small part of the economy. I think less than 2% of workers make the federal minimum wage or less. And their wages account for far less than 1% of the costs of all goods and services in America. So how would an increase in their wages lead to things being 20% more expensive for the middle class.
For example, if you doubled farm laborers' salaries, you would increase the price of lettuce by only six percent. Now this is a good which requires many low wage earners. Other good, like cars, which require few low wage earners, would not be affected at all.
Don't pull numbers from your ass.
Ah yeah as I said it was an example and I'd need to know the % due to gas too. I think I even mentioned in my post in between the you know () the gas thing. So you don't think any prices were raised due to wage increase? Or worker hours cut? Or layoffs?I was in class all morning; I can't believe this thread has moved so fast. Has FoC created more joke characters?Dude it's a fucking example I'm in a chair i'm not currently comparing receipts. And you're also assuming you know every product I'm referring too. But I pulled part of that example out of my wallet if you must know. :'(I can think of a couple of local examples where small businesses raised prices on their products the day it was raised, one even posted a sign about it (which is bad considering prices have increased due to gas prices anyway.)
This assumes that the merchant is being honest, and not using this as a convenient opportunity to raise prices.
I guess my question is how much have we helped someone when we throw them a dollar more, but the business in turn raises prices on certain products say 20%, and how did that help the middle class making things 20% more expensive for them?
Such large increases in prices could not result from such small increases in salaries for such a small part of the economy. I think less than 2% of workers make the federal minimum wage or less. And their wages account for far less than 1% of the costs of all goods and services in America. So how would an increase in their wages lead to things being 20% more expensive for the middle class.
For example, if you doubled farm laborers' salaries, you would increase the price of lettuce by only six percent. Now this is a good which requires many low wage earners. Other good, like cars, which require few low wage earners, would not be affected at all.
Don't pull numbers from your ass.
A comparisons of receipts would be meaningless unless you know what percentage of the cost of those good went to American worker's who made the minimum wage.
Look, a 35% increase in the wages of farm laborers would raise the price of lettuce by 2%. (http://www.therationalradical.com/documents/farm_workers.htm)So please tell me what goods increased by 20% as a result of a much smaller minimum wage increase?
Ah yeah as I said it was an example and I'd need to know the % due to gas too. So you don't think any prices were raised due to wage increase?I was in class all morning; I can't believe this thread has moved so fast. Has FoC created more joke characters?Dude it's a fucking example I'm in a chair i'm not currently comparing receipts. And you're also assuming you know every product I'm referring too. But I pulled part of that example out of my wallet if you must know. :'(I can think of a couple of local examples where small businesses raised prices on their products the day it was raised, one even posted a sign about it (which is bad considering prices have increased due to gas prices anyway.)
This assumes that the merchant is being honest, and not using this as a convenient opportunity to raise prices.
I guess my question is how much have we helped someone when we throw them a dollar more, but the business in turn raises prices on certain products say 20%, and how did that help the middle class making things 20% more expensive for them?
Such large increases in prices could not result from such small increases in salaries for such a small part of the economy. I think less than 2% of workers make the federal minimum wage or less. And their wages account for far less than 1% of the costs of all goods and services in America. So how would an increase in their wages lead to things being 20% more expensive for the middle class.
For example, if you doubled farm laborers' salaries, you would increase the price of lettuce by only six percent. Now this is a good which requires many low wage earners. Other good, like cars, which require few low wage earners, would not be affected at all.
Don't pull numbers from your ass.
A comparisons of receipts would be meaningless unless you know what percentage of the cost of those good went to American worker's who made the minimum wage.
Look, a 35% increase in the wages of farm laborers would raise the price of lettuce by 2%. (http://www.therationalradical.com/documents/farm_workers.htm)So please tell me what goods increased by 20% as a result of a much smaller minimum wage increase?
Ah yeah as I said it was an example and I'd need to know the % due to gas too. So you don't think any prices were raised due to wage increase?I was in class all morning; I can't believe this thread has moved so fast. Has FoC created more joke characters?Dude it's a fucking example I'm in a chair i'm not currently comparing receipts. And you're also assuming you know every product I'm referring too. But I pulled part of that example out of my wallet if you must know. :'(I can think of a couple of local examples where small businesses raised prices on their products the day it was raised, one even posted a sign about it (which is bad considering prices have increased due to gas prices anyway.)
This assumes that the merchant is being honest, and not using this as a convenient opportunity to raise prices.
I guess my question is how much have we helped someone when we throw them a dollar more, but the business in turn raises prices on certain products say 20%, and how did that help the middle class making things 20% more expensive for them?
Such large increases in prices could not result from such small increases in salaries for such a small part of the economy. I think less than 2% of workers make the federal minimum wage or less. And their wages account for far less than 1% of the costs of all goods and services in America. So how would an increase in their wages lead to things being 20% more expensive for the middle class.
For example, if you doubled farm laborers' salaries, you would increase the price of lettuce by only six percent. Now this is a good which requires many low wage earners. Other good, like cars, which require few low wage earners, would not be affected at all.
Don't pull numbers from your ass.
A comparisons of receipts would be meaningless unless you know what percentage of the cost of those good went to American worker's who made the minimum wage.
Look, a 35% increase in the wages of farm laborers would raise the price of lettuce by 2%. (http://www.therationalradical.com/documents/farm_workers.htm)So please tell me what goods increased by 20% as a result of a much smaller minimum wage increase?
America needs to spend more money on literacy.
I'm skeptical that prices (for anything) rose by 20% because of a minimum wage increase. Based on the numbers I provided, the overall increase in the price of goods and services as a result of an increase in the minimum wage had to be below 1%.
And context too it seems. ::)Why is context important?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/moveon-ad-uses-my-friends_n_126797.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/moveon-ad-uses-my-friends_n_126797.html
"Hope and Change"
"Post-partisan candidate"
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"
...
etc
Ok but I don't think I said that was a national number either dude, just saying. :PUnless your state significantly differs from others states in some important respect, I don't think it really matters. We can always narrow things down, but the broader point still stands: a small increase in wages for a small segment of the population will not lead to large increases (like 20%) in the prices of goods and services.
Yeah I know the number itself was an example, I guess I could have used x, y, or z. The real point of my post was that it hurt the middle class a little that didn't get an increase.
It sucks not getting a raise. :-\
Yeah I know the number itself was an example, I guess I could have used x, y, or z. The real point of my post was that it hurt the middle class a little that didn't get an increase.
My point is that the middle class wouldn't notice it.It sucks not getting a raise. :-\
Yes, it sucks for low wage earners whose wages have stagnated or gone down over the last couple decades.
Yeah I know the number itself was an example, I guess I could have used x, y, or z. The real point of my post was that it hurt the middle class a little that didn't get an increase.
My point is that the middle class wouldn't notice it.It sucks not getting a raise. :-\
Yes, it sucks for low wage earners whose wages have stagnated or gone down over the last couple decades.
I notice everything that goes up myself, for me everything adds up even when the small things I purchase daily increase I notice. Maybe its just me eh?
Those two votes I disagree with. Parents should know if little Suzie is knocked up and trying to get out of it.
I would like to submit this entry for Most Inadvertently Revealing Statement by a Conservative for the month of September.
so what am I inadvertantly revealing here? I'd like to know, lol.
Edit nm.
Those two votes I disagree with. Parents should know if little Suzie is knocked up and trying to get out of it.
I would like to submit this entry for Most Inadvertently Revealing Statement by a Conservative for the month of September.
so what am I inadvertantly revealing here? I'd like to know, lol.
Edit nm.
The worldview that's informed the rest of your posts in this thread.
You want people to be punished for doing stuff you consider immoral. That's why you described an abortion as "trying to get out of" an obligation, and why you think there needs to be "reprisal" for teens who have sex.
I figure this would explain your take on the drug war, health insurance, and the welfare state in general.
You assume the main reason someone would get an abortion is because they would get in trouble? smh.
how many non-aborted babies could find the cure for cancer if republicans didn't hold science and government funding for medical science and stem cell research in such contempt, eh?
fucking a teen was fantastic. :drool
You assume the main reason someone would get an abortion is because they would get in trouble? smh.
Edit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
Edit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
Here's the dead giveaway.
Ganhyun doesn't want the kids to fuck, and he thinks that unwanted pregnancies and venereal diseases are awesome ways of building in disincentives. If you take those away, they'll be at it like rabbits which we are given to understand is a bad bad thing.
Where is all this dirty sex going on at? And why did I miss out?
Edit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
Edit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
QuoteEdit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
So how would you explain the low teen pregnancy rate, which was rapidly dropping for awhile (I think it's up now, but what do I know)
QuoteEdit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
Sorry, but I just want to make sure I'm reading this right. You're saying that pregnancy is a good deterrent for teens having sex, otherwise, if there was no consequence, kids would be fucking whenever they want; which you say is a bad thing. But isn't getting pregnant one of the main reasons people don't want kids to be fucking to begin with?
We're just trying to run downlolspoiler (click to show/hide)polygaf[close]
QuoteEdit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
So how would you explain the low teen pregnancy rate, which was rapidly dropping for awhile (I think it's up now, but what do I know)
I don't know about michigan, but I know in GA that they teach guys in school that if you get a girl pregnant, your responsible for the child's well-being for 18 years. 18 years of child-support.
Thats one thing the drill into the guys' heads.
Also, they teach progressive use of condoms and birth control, as well as show the risk of STDs/AIDS and such. Basically, any reason to not want to be pregnant is thrown at them down here. But with the notion that if your gonna do it anyway, then go to the Health Department and get birth-control/condoms.
QuoteEdit: Children should know that having sex carries great risks such as pregnancy and STDS/AIDS. Doing it the other way just lets them fuck like rabbits (which yes they will do) with no reprisal except a possible STD/AIDS. Teen Pregnancy? Taking care of a baby you and someone else made? Forget that, just get an abortion. Its the thing to do.
So how would you explain the low teen pregnancy rate, which was rapidly dropping for awhile (I think it's up now, but what do I know)
I don't know about michigan, but I know in GA that they teach guys in school that if you get a girl pregnant, your responsible for the child's well-being for 18 years. 18 years of child-support.
Thats one thing the drill into the guys' heads.
Also, they teach progressive use of condoms and birth control, as well as show the risk of STDs/AIDS and such. Basically, any reason to not want to be pregnant is thrown at them down here. But with the notion that if your gonna do it anyway, then go to the Health Department and get birth-control/condoms.
I had abstinence-only education in my health classes in high school, full of lots of scare tactics but nothing about safe-sex practices. I already knew about birth control, etc., but it wasn't taught at all. My hometown also had the highest rate of teen pregnancy in the entire state at that time.
McCain: "The fundamentals of the economy are still good!"
Obama campaign: "WTF you craaaaaaaaazy."
McCain: "When I said fundamentals, I meant American workers and their values. Obama is insulting average Americans!"
Right now I'm seeing this election as a referendum on a politician's willingness to say crazy shit. That's the McCain campaign's one big advantage right now.
america will have no money -- your dollar won't be worth SHIT -- if the fed has nothing to back investments. you do NOT have a financial infrastructure if your government cannot maintain the value of its dollar relative to other markets in the vast and complex web of fiat currency. take your pick: taxes on the wealthy and corporate (i.e. not you or 97% of americans), or a dollar that won't buy ANYTHING.
Brilliant prole! Tax america in to prosperity.
King Solomon ain't walking through that door.
King Solomon ain't walking through that door.
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"sup, mandark"
Are you live blogging political pundits?
that's a big, big smh
I didn't know Neil Cavuto actually had opinions. I thought all he did was talk about Yodels, his crappy ass suits, and invite guests.
The Fed bailed out AIG and now has a 79.9% stake in it. I wonder the candidates will say about this...so much for the ownership society.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/16/moveon-ad-uses-my-friends_n_126797.html
"Hope and Change"
"Post-partisan candidate"
"We are the ones we've been waiting for"
...
etc
Since he was a community organizer I am more inclined to believe his words, than mr no lobbyists but my best friends are lobbyists.
http://search.ebay.com/lehman-brothers_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40 (http://search.ebay.com/lehman-brothers_W0QQ_trksidZm37QQfromZR40)
lehman brothers employees are auctioning off their stuff.
Obama lies about writing this year's stimulus package bill (that he didn't even bother to show up for). :lol
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-inflates.html (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/09/obama-inflates.html)
Yes, I can fake outrage about a politician lying too. ;)
Nah. I wouldn't say Obama's proposal had a big impact on the process, but his plan was much, much closer to the bill that was passed than Hillary's or AFAIK any of the Republican candidate's.
Nah. I wouldn't say Obama's proposal had a big impact on the process, but his plan was much, much closer to the bill that was passed than Hillary's or AFAIK any of the Republican candidate's.
Fantastic...so why didn't he bother to vote for it?
LOL OH NOES GOTTA TALK ISSUES?!?
Nah. I wouldn't say Obama's proposal had a big impact on the process, but his plan was much, much closer to the bill that was passed than Hillary's or AFAIK any of the Republican candidate's.
Fantastic...so why didn't he bother to vote for it?
...are you a fucking idiot? I'll take a wild guess and say you attend church religiously?
The only way I see abortion as allowable, and even then I don't because to me life begins when cells begin to multiply, is if the mother's life is threatened. Rape victims I could go with it being the mother's choice too, but I do honestly wonder how many of these aborted babies could hold the cure for diseases and such in their futures had they been allowed to live.
2. Abortion. This, along with the support for abstinence only program, is the biggest point of hypocrisy from conservatives. So they stand up for govt deregulation/libertarianism, except when it conflicts with their Christian religion/ethics? It's hypocrisy.edit: holy shit :bow Prole
The Fed bailed out AIG and now has a 79.9% stake in it. I wonder the candidates will say about this...Who's next the big 3 auto makers, American Express? Companies that make bad decisions need to fail.
i like alaska a little better now::hitit
(http://mamadance.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/awrp-dead-a.jpg)
...are you a fucking idiot? I'll take a wild guess and say you attend church religiously?
me a while back:Quote2. Abortion. This, along with the support for abstinence only program, is the biggest point of hypocrisy from conservatives. So they stand up for govt deregulation/libertarianism, except when it conflicts with their Christian religion/ethics? It's hypocrisy.edit: holy shit :bow Prole
The lady who shuttles back and forth between London and New York thinks that the guy raised by a single parent is elitist? Ok, then.
QuoteThe lady who shuttles back and forth between London and New York thinks that the guy raised by a single parent is elitist? Ok, then.
from the same link just for perspective
QuoteThe lady who shuttles back and forth between London and New York thinks that the guy raised by a single parent is elitist? Ok, then.
from the same link just for perspective
I just figured I'd post relevant and fresh news on this, since she is a major Democrat. After all, she is a member of the Democratic National Committee’s Platform Committee. So she has some pull/swing. But yea, her calling him an elitist is ironic when in reality she is one herself.
Nah. I wouldn't say Obama's proposal had a big impact on the process, but his plan was much, much closer to the bill that was passed than Hillary's or AFAIK any of the Republican candidate's.
Fantastic...so why didn't he bother to vote for it?
We know what you're getting atspoiler (click to show/hide)lazy distinguished black fellow?[close]
How the flipflying fuck can he be leading in such a goddamn poll?
Fuck that
"In the past few weeks, Wall Street’s been rocked as banks closed and markets tumbled. But for many of you – the people I’ve met in town halls, backyards and diners across America – our troubled economy isn’t news. 600,000 Americans have lost their jobs since January. Paychecks are flat and home values are falling. It’s hard to pay for gas and groceries and if you put it on a credit card they’ve probably raised your rates. You’re paying more than ever for health insurance that covers less and less.
“This isn’t just a string of bad luck. The truth is that while you’ve been living up to your responsibilities Washington has not. That’s why we need change. Real change. This is no ordinary time and it shouldn’t be an ordinary election. But much of this campaign has been consumed by petty attacks and distractions that have nothing to do with you or how we get America back on track.
“Here’s what I believe we need to do. Reform our tax system to give a $1,000 tax break to the middle class instead of showering more on oil companies and corporations that outsource our jobs. End the ‘anything goes’ culture on Wall Street with real regulation that protects your investments and pensions. Fast track a plan for energy ‘made-in-America’ that will free us from our dependence on mid-east oil in 10 years and put millions of Americans to work. Crack down on lobbyists – once and for all — so their back-room deal-making no longer drowns out the voices of the middle class and undermines our common interests as Americans.
“And yes, bring a responsible end to this war in Iraq so we stop spending billions each month rebuilding their country when we should be rebuilding ours. Doing these things won’t be easy. But we’re Americans. We’ve met tough challenges before. And we can again. I’m Barack Obama. I hope you’ll read my economic plan. I approved this message because bitter, partisan fights and outworn ideas of the left and the right won’t solve the problems we face today. But a new spirit of unity and shared responsibility will."
While that's well and good, Americans aren't going to sit there and listen to him for two minutes. He needs to learn how to condense what he wants to get across in 10 words or less. Obviously things are going well for him this week but the worm turns often leading up to election day and sooner or later Obama will be on the wrong side of the 8 ball again. He needs to learn how to speak quickly and plainly.
While that's well and good, Americans aren't going to sit there and listen to him for two minutes. He needs to learn how to condense what he wants to get across in 10 words or less. Obviously things are going well for him this week but the worm turns often leading up to election day and sooner or later Obama will be on the wrong side of the 8 ball again. He needs to learn how to speak quickly and plainly.
Then people need to learn to slow down.
i suggest:
<picture of buildings crumbling> WHOA THERE GOES YER 401K AND CREDIT AND CHANCE FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, AMERICA
<cut to shot of old grandmother weeping as thugs in suits wearing gop paraphernelia hurl her into the street> TOMORROW THEY COME FOR YOU. THE FOLKS YOU ELECTED IN 2000 AND 2004 MADE THIS HAPPEN.
<cut to a close-up of mccain smoking a cigar made of g-notes, sporting devil horns and cackling>
<pull back to show his feet resting on a good ol' boy middle american white worker> "MAN I'M GLAD I CUT THAT DEAL WITH SATAN!"
<broken white guy in a small voice> "i wish *i* hadn't..."
paid for by the obama '08 campaign.
man, i should form my own 527
so there's a link to a photobucket account of supposed screen shots from palin's super secret yahoo email addressI saved them all, not really sure if there was anything important in them.
McCain/Palin sex tape!I would fap to it
While that's well and good, Americans aren't going to sit there and listen to him for two minutes. He needs to learn how to condense what he wants to get across in 10 words or less. Obviously things are going well for him this week but the worm turns often leading up to election day and sooner or later Obama will be on the wrong side of the 8 ball again. He needs to learn how to speak quickly and plainly.10 words?
i suggest:
<picture of buildings crumbling> WHOA THERE GOES YER 401K AND CREDIT AND CHANCE FOR HOME OWNERSHIP, AMERICA
<cut to shot of old grandmother weeping as thugs in suits wearing gop paraphernelia hurl her into the street> TOMORROW THEY COME FOR YOU. THE FOLKS YOU ELECTED IN 2000 AND 2004 MADE THIS HAPPEN.
<cut to a close-up of mccain smoking a cigar made of g-notes, sporting devil horns and cackling> "MAN I'M GLAD I CUT THAT DEAL WITH SATAN!"
<pull back to show his feet resting on a good ol' boy middle american white worker>
<broken white guy in a small voice> "i wish *i* hadn't..."
paid for by the obama '08 campaign.
man, i should form my own 527
While that's well and good, Americans aren't going to sit there and listen to him for two minutes. He needs to learn how to condense what he wants to get across in 10 words or less. Obviously things are going well for him this week but the worm turns often leading up to election day and sooner or later Obama will be on the wrong side of the 8 ball again. He needs to learn how to speak quickly and plainly.
John McCain and Clinton and Biden and Reid and PeLOLsi and the Taliban and the Shiites and the Yemenese and the...what the fuck are we talking about?smh
Obama = halo on his head
BOW TO HIM FUCKERS
John McCain and Clinton and Biden and Reid and PeLOLsi and the Taliban and the Shiites and the Yemenese and the...what the fuck are we talking about?
Obama = halo on his head
BOW TO HIM FUCKERS
Clinton was able to convince anyone inside of ten seconds flat that he really did care about that person and wanted to make his life better. Palin, a genius at the kind of narcissistic personal resentment that seems to be the Republican version of empathy, can get people from an astonishing range of American life to see themselves in her, so that they share her hatreds and want to smite her enemies. I suspect that the two most important questions facing us as we head into this next election, two questions that will not receive the attention they deserve because the mainstream media can't figure out a polite way to word them, are: how many white voters who aren't inclined to drive the country any further into the shit will finally be unable to bring themselves to vote for a black president, and how many people will identify with the ugliness in Sarah Palin to such a degree that they'll figure that whatever else happens to the country in the next four years, it'll be worth it so long as voting for her pisses off the right people.
SAVE ME BIG TALL BLACK MAN!!!
Socialism = RepublicaDem-takeoverism...
FUCK - I give up. The DEMs might win this round.
I'm limply laying on the water waiting for Obama to rescue me...
SAVE ME BIG TALL BLACK MAN!!!
Socialism = RepublicaDem-takeoverism...
FUCK - I give up. The DEMs might win this round.
I'm limply laying on the water waiting for Obama to rescue me...
SAVE ME BIG TALL BLACK MAN!!!
you've already been saved by a tall black man. his name was jesus, the son of god. maybe you've heard of him
"Executive abilities? She doesn't have any," said former Wasilla City Council member Nick Carney, who selected and groomed Palin for her first political race in 1992 and served with her after her election to the City Council.
Four years later, the ambitious Palin won the Wasilla mayor's office -- after scorching the "tax and spend mentality" of her incumbent opponent. But Carney, Palin's estranged former mentor, and others in city hall were astounded when they found out about a lavish expenditure of Palin's own after her 1996 election. According to Carney, the newly elected mayor spent more than $50,000 in city funds to redecorate her office, without the council's authorization.
Carney confronted Mayor Palin at a City Council hearing, and was shocked by her response.http://www.salon.com/news/feature/20...7/palin_mayor/
"I braced her about it," he said. "I told her it was against the law to make such a large expenditure without the council taking a vote. She said, 'I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.'"
"I'll never forget it -- it's one of the few times in my life I've been speechless," Carney added. "It would have been easier for her to finesse it. She had the votes on the council by then, she controlled it. But she just pushed forward. That's Sarah. She just has no respect for rules and regulations."
I'm limply laying on the water waiting for Obama to rescue me...
SAVE ME BIG TALL BLACK MAN!!!
Backlash is starting to kick in around my parts (Iowa). Even my Republican friends admit that McCain's constant lying are annoying them. Few people are talking about Palin. Although Iowa probably never was going to McCain anyway.
It seems after today and yesterday the economy is going to be all that matters. I predict the first candidate who goes off message on this goes down.
It seems after today and yesterday the economy is going to be all that matters. I predict the first candidate who goes off message on this goes down.
Well, McCain wasn't necessarily "off message", but he certainly didn't seem to be getting the memo that shit just got REAL.
Also, it's funny that the first debate in Oxford, Mississippi was originally scheduled to be about domestic affairs but the Obama camp wanted it changed to foreign policy because they thought the location would bring race into it unnecessarily. So the first debate will take the spotlight off of the economy when it would benefit Obama NOT to. He better beat McCain like a drum or he could lose some momentum, although I guess it could be helpful now to have the LAST debate be the domestic policy one.
Although who really knows what will happen in the next month and a half? Hopefully more failures and bail outs!
Although who really knows what will happen in the next month and a half? Hopefully more failures and bail outs!
-500 + 150 - 450 = -800 for the dow this week. if that ain't real realz, i dunno what is, and i REALLY don't want mccain in the wh if all he can do is suggest "committees".
mmmm, communism :hump
Barack Obama is not my ideal candidate for president. (In fact, I made the maximum donation to John McCain during the primaries, when there was still hope he might come to his senses.) But I now see that Obama is almost the ideal candidate for this moment in American history. I disagree with him on many issues. But those don’t matter as much as what Obama offers, which is a deeply conservative view of the world. Nobody can read Obama’s books (which, it is worth noting, he wrote himself) or listen to him speak without realizing that this is a thoughtful, pragmatic, and prudent man. It gives me comfort just to think that after eight years of George W. Bush we will have a president who has actually read the Federalist Papers.
Most important, Obama will be a realist. I doubt he will taunt Russia, as McCain has, at the very moment when our national interest requires it as an ally. The crucial distinction in my mind is that, unlike John McCain, I am convinced he will not impulsively take us into another war unless American national interests are directly threatened.
The new bill would also make law enforcement agencies that are investigating a sexual assault responsible for the costs of testing victims for sexually transmitted diseases and emergency contraception.
Backlash is starting to kick in around my parts (Iowa). Even my Republican friends admit that McCain's constant lying are annoying them. Few people are talking about Palin. Although Iowa probably never was going to McCain anyway.
I guess a silver lining to the financial disasters this week is that the economy is now a no-go zone for the GOP. Its too easy for the Democrats to attack the Republicans on that issue. I doubt DRILL BABY DRILL will suffice as a response for the cracker middle class, who are worried that their retirement funds might be ruined.
Oh Lordy. Two sentences that are dead giveaways someone doesn't have a clue:
"We should appoint a bipartisan commission to study the issue."
"I would appoint a policy czar."
It sounds very serious and thoughtful but it's really just passing the buck to someone else. "We should find someone smart and have them figure it out." If you're campaigning to run the country then it's an abdication of your duty to make decisions.
Besides it's not like these problems have a universally fair and painless solution just waiting for a bunch of old men to discover. There are conflicting priorities and interests at work and it's the job of our political leaders to balance them, not to call on a mythical council of elders. King Solomon ain't walking through that door.
“This morning, instead of offering up concrete plans to solve these issues, Sen. McCain offered up the oldest Washington stunt in the book – you pass the buck to a commission to study the problem,” [Obama] said to laughter from the crowd of about 2,200 people packed into a gym. “But here’s the thing – this isn’t 9/11. We know how we got into this mess. What we need now is leadership that gets us out.”
For people that are so afraid of business monopolies, liberals sure have their panties on fire to give the government monopolies.
For people that are so afraid of business monopolies, liberals sure have their panties on fire to give the government monopolies.
Yeah, because the govt. is culpable to the voters. Corporations are culpable to NO ONE and when they fail there are no fucking consequences for the people that caused the failure, as evidenced by our financial meltdown this week.
For people that are so afraid of business monopolies, liberals sure have their panties on fire to give the government monopolies.
Yeah, because the govt. is culpable to the voters. Corporations are culpable to NO ONE and when they fail there are no fucking consequences for the people that caused the failure, as evidenced by our financial meltdown this week.
Corporations are culpable to the law and their customers. The only reason there are no consequences this week is because our great leaders in washington want to bail them out.
That sounds good until you realize that when these idiots are failing, the CEOs are getting golden parachutes as a reward and get off with no consequences, tens of millions of dollars for running their companies into the ground, and if they're lucky become advisers to Republican presidential candidates!
That sounds good until you realize that when these idiots are failing, the CEOs are getting golden parachutes as a reward and get off with no consequences, tens of millions of dollars for running their companies into the ground, and if they're lucky become advisers to Republican presidential candidates!
If the board wants to give crappy CEOs a bucket of money then fine. Let them reward incompetence, it only hurts their business.
That sounds good until you realize that when these idiots are failing, the CEOs are getting golden parachutes as a reward and get off with no consequences, tens of millions of dollars for running their companies into the ground, and if they're lucky become advisers to Republican presidential candidates!
If the board wants to give crappy CEOs a bucket of money then fine. Let them reward incompetence, it only hurts their business.
That's the point- it doesn't! Because the gubmint comes in and bails their asses out.
Seeing McCain rant about greed on Wall St. and cry out for regulation is like Capt. Renault say that he is shocked, SHOCKED to discover there is gambling going on at Rick's.
That's the point- it doesn't! Because the gubmint comes in and bails their asses out.
That's the point- it doesn't! Because the gubmint comes in and bails their asses out.
On a related note, what do you think is going to happen when a terrible hospital manager runs a hospital to the ground under socialized medicine. Do you think the fed will step in?
Oh thats right liberals think that government employees do no wrong.
In these dark economic times, only one man can lead us...spoiler (click to show/hide)(http://www.amandastevens.com/uploaded_images/250px-Bruce_Campbell_Army_of_Darkness-710635.jpg)
ASH FOR PRESIDENT![close]
There should be a debate between Ash and...spoiler (click to show/hide)(http://weblogs.newsday.com/news/local/longisland/politics/blog/Ron_Paul_Photo_4.jpg)[close]
"She doesn't have any foreign policy credentials," Hagel said in an interview. "You get a passport for the first time in your life last year? I mean, I don't know what you can say. You can't say anything."
Palin has cited the proximity of Alaska to Russia as evidence of her international experience.
Hagel scoffed at that notion.
"I think they ought to be just honest about it and stop the nonsense about, 'I look out my window and I see Russia and so therefore I know something about Russia,'" he said. "That kind of thing is insulting to the American people."
"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
edit: Oh shit. Extra special bonus section.Quote"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
Don't try and take the focus of that, because whether or not YOU believe it's an issue, it IS. The vice president only has one true Constitutional power, but his/her real purpose we've found out through the years to to serve as President during times of duress, illness, stress, or fucking death. That IS a high probability here in this case. McCain's going to die soon, and we don't know if it could happen in these next few years or not, but it probably will.
She would be our President. What the fuck.
edit: Oh shit. Extra special bonus section.Quote"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
edit: Oh shit. Extra special bonus section.Quote"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Ahem. Um. Golly gee willikers gosh.
CHUCK HAGEL IS A FUCKING REPUBLICAN SENATOR.
edit: Oh shit. Extra special bonus section.Quote"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Ahem. Um. Golly gee willikers gosh.
CHUCK HAGEL IS A FUCKING REPUBLICAN SENATOR.
WOW REALLY SKIPPER? My point still stands.
edit: Oh shit. Extra special bonus section.Quote"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Ahem. Um. Golly gee willikers gosh.
CHUCK HAGEL IS A FUCKING REPUBLICAN SENATOR.
WOW REALLY SKIPPER? My point still stands. So hes a Republican who doesn't like Palin. Ok. There are probably alot of the that feel that way. But my issue is that all I see from Democrats/Liberals is attacking Palin, ignoring McCain. As I posted above to Brandnew. If Democrats wnat to win the election, they need to focus on McCain, not Palin.
edit: Oh shit. Extra special bonus section.Quote"I think it's a stretch to, in any way, to say that she's got the experience to be president of the United States," Hagel said.
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Ahem. Um. Golly gee willikers gosh.
CHUCK HAGEL IS A FUCKING REPUBLICAN SENATOR.
WOW REALLY SKIPPER? My point still stands.
First of all, I'll give you a moment to get that egg off of your face. Ok. Done.
Now, NO IT DOESN'T.
Palin's favorability ratings have taken a dive off of a cliff over the past week. (http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/09/16/palin-s-favorability-ratings-begin-to-falter.aspx) So yeah, seems like the right idea in retrospect to me. I expect those number to keep dropping, too. Apparently, to know Sarah Barracuda is not to love her, unless you're part of the base. Which, I don't know if you've noticed, has SHRUNK DRAMATICALLY on your side this year.
But keep on living in your alternate universe where the Republican party isn't the biggest fucking failure since the Whigs.
Biden: Paying higher taxes patriotic for wealthy
WASHINGTON - Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden said Thursday that paying more in taxes is the patriotic thing to do for wealthier Americans. In a new TV ad that repeats widely debunked claims about the Democratic tax plan, the Republican campaign calls Obama's tax increases "painful."
Under the economic plan proposed by Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama, people earning more than $250,000 a year would pay more in taxes while those earning less — the vast majority of American taxpayers — would receive a tax cut.
Although Republican John McCain claims that Obama would raise taxes, the independent Tax Policy Center and other groups conclude that four out of five U.S. households would receive tax cuts under Obama's proposals.
"We want to take money and put it back in the pocket of middle-class people," Biden said in an interview on ABC's "Good Morning America."
Noting that wealthier Americans would indeed pay more, Biden said: "It's time to be patriotic ... time to jump in, time to be part of the deal, time to help get America out of the rut."
McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that "a big government casts a big shadow on us all," the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.
"Obama and his liberal congressional allies want a massive government, billions in spending increases, wasteful pork," the ad says. "And we would pay — painful income taxes, skyrocketing taxes on life savings, electricity and home heating oil. Can your family afford that?"
The McCain campaign said the ad is set to run nationally.
McCain released a television ad Thursday charging that Obama would increase the size of the federal government amid an economic crisis. Contending that "a big government casts a big shadow on us all," the ad features the image of a shadow slowly covering a sleeping baby as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.
So patriotism is now defined by giving more money to the government? It will take a lot more than that to get us out of this rut. We have a lot of "I owe you's" handed out as is.
as a narrator misstates the reach of the Obama tax proposal.
So patriotism is now defined by giving more money to the government? It will take a lot more than that to get us out of this rut. We have a lot of "I owe you's" handed out as is.
Does no one in washington know what true patriotism is?
The right thinks patriotism is supporting the war, the left thinks its paying taxes. I weep for this country.
Since Ganhyun likes to take every opportunity to emphasize that he TOTALLY isn't a Republican but in fact an independent, I would now like to take this opportunity to allow him to tell us who the last Democratic candidate that he voted for was. Or a single substantive issue where he differs from the Republican party that he TOTALLY isn't a member of, despite the fact that he likes to joke about beating up people who voted for Kerry while he was in boot camp. Which would definitely, TOTALLY be the act of a freethinking Independent, and not the act of a goose stepping, non-thinking Republican shitheel.
Also, mega lulz @ Zell Miller. I wonder if he and Chris Matthews will ever get around to that duel?
I weep for those who don't understand how paying taxes could be considered patriotic. How the hell else could you pay for your beloved war and SUPPORT OUR TROOPS?spoiler (click to show/hide)not that we've really been paying for it anyway :shh[close]
Why yes that it would be, borrowing it from China not so much. :-\
And I'm not even sure when you look really at his tax, I think everybody's going to be taxed a lot more.
You know, a lot of people are talking about how a McCain victory would mean disaster for the Supreme Court with Stevens likely retiring soon. But I just realized that Stevens wrote the majority opinion on Gonzales v. Raich, possibly the worst Supreme Court decision of the past 25 years. Can someone more knowledgeable than I about the Supreme Court inform me as to some good decisions Stevens has made that lead to him being so beloved by Democrats?
Well if McCain's mother is anything to go by he might live through two terms and after, but this discussion is entirely hypothetical anyway.
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Because taking over as president in an emergency is practically the VP's ONLY job. What, she was picked for her outstanding ability to make tiebreaking votes in the Senate? The odds of McCain being incapacitated early in his term might be low, but the VP exists almost solely as a backstop for that event.
It would be like if we appointed a completely unqualified hack to run FEMA, because what are the odds that some giant storm will wipe out a major American city? Oh wait.
Anyone have the video of Obama's speech from yesterday morning? The one with the "they call that a staff meeting" quote?
Why do Democrats still attack her as if she is running for President? She's not. She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Because taking over as president in an emergency is practically the VP's ONLY job. What, she was picked for her outstanding ability to make tiebreaking votes in the Senate? The odds of McCain being incapacitated early in his term might be low, but the VP exists almost solely as a backstop for that event.
It would be like if we appointed a completely unqualified hack to run FEMA, because what are the odds that some giant storm will wipe out a major American city? Oh wait.
Do you think it's a mistake for the republicans to be focusing on her as well?
Do you think it's a mistake for the republicans to be focusing on her as well?
Dude, you can't be like "That's not a valid argument, see?" then get called on it and get all "Sure it's a valid argument. What I'm saying is that it will be politically ineffective!"
She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
So you can basically choose anyone for vp.
McCain had a huge old-guy moment in an interview with some Spanish-language media apparently. He was asked about Spanish PM Zapatero and apparently didn't know who that was, so he gave a generic answer about supporting our allies and standing up to our enemies in Latin America.
Josh Marshall (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com) has been all over this.
The U.S. Ambassador to Spain has told the Spanish press that John McCain was "prudent" not to commit to a meeting with the prime minister of Spain.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
McCain had, in an April interview, appeared to commit to a meeting with Prime Minister Zapatero; yesterday, he didn't directly answer a series of questions about it.
Ambassador Eduardo Aguirre, who was referring to the more recent remarks, said at a press conference that McCain "had been prudent" to avoid questions about a White House meeting with Zapatero, the news agency EFE reported.
Aguirre said that McCain was prudent to avoid making plans before being elected president.
Yeah, their excuses are often worse than the probable truth. Like Palin now claiming Monegan was fired for "going rogue" and wanting to use too much in state funds to fight sexual assault and child predators.
She is the VP pick. And unless something bad happens to McCain if he wins the election (notice I said if there), she won't be President.
Okay, champ.
OMG, whats this? Is it.. McCain warning us about a possible housing Market issue?(http://www.bttf.com/backtalk/future4.jpg)
Edit: In 2005.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190
wow, look at that. He even co-sponsored a Bill for reform.
Hmm.. Looking at the bill's history, it never made it out of the Democratically controlled committee.
I blame the committee for this failure. The Republicans in the committee too.
Committee list:
http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership
nsfw i think.:)spoiler (click to show/hide)http://threadpit.com/store/watermark/picgen.php?src=null&wmk=256.png&img=256&make=master&productid=256 (http://threadpit.com/store/watermark/picgen.php?src=null&wmk=256.png&img=256&make=master&productid=256)[close]
OMG, whats this? Is it.. McCain warning us about a possible housing Market issue?
Edit: In 2005.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190
wow, look at that. He even co-sponsored a Bill for reform.
Hmm.. Looking at the bill's history, it never made it out of the Democratically controlled committee.
I blame the committee for this failure. The Republicans in the committee too.
Committee list:
http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership
:shh facts have no place in evilbore politic threads.
You just dont know how evil maccain is. He's EVIIIIIIIIIL
OMG, whats this? Is it.. McCain warning us about a possible housing Market issue?
Edit: In 2005.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/record.xpd?id=109-s20060525-16&bill=s109-190
wow, look at that. He even co-sponsored a Bill for reform.
Hmm.. Looking at the bill's history, it never made it out of the Democratically controlled committee.
I blame the committee for this failure. The Republicans in the committee too.
Committee list:
http://banking.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?FuseAction=Information.Membership
WTF I like Pat Buchanan. SMH!!
Obama's dangerous views on oxygen have just been endorsed by Charles Manson.
Concerned? You should be.
I want to go back and get higher math degree so I can more deeply explain the topologies of the transitive power of bullshit. I think exploring a discussion on the operations and properties that can be allowed on 'bullshit' would make the best master's thesis ever.
I want to go back and get higher math degree so I can more deeply explain the topologies of the transitive power of bullshit. I think exploring a discussion on the operations and properties that can be allowed on 'bullshit' would make the best master's thesis ever.
I think I've officially lost it... :dur
The odds of McCain being incapacitated early in his term might be low...
Eh, let them do it. This is Matt Damon, I respect him a whole shitload more than any other actors out there.
If Paris Hilton came out in support for Obama, then I'd get annoyed :-\
I happen to think that heartland/Southern backlash against coastal cultural elites is mostly bullshit, grounded in bigotry and fear of change, and the leaders that stoke it are complete assholes (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/149645.php) who are using wedges to protect and bolster the actual power elites.
But everyone knows there's backlash to outspoken liberal celebrities and it's not like Damon's providing anything that's missing. He's not standing up for an unpopular minority group or highlighting a low-profile issue.
Not that this will turn the election or anything, but every bit helps and in this case that means Matt Damon SingTFU.
Jesus Christ. Every discussion board I visit, I see people debating the merits of nationalized health care vs. a free market system. As always, the price argument comes up. And yet no one ever brings up the fact that the care itself is priced at least 200-300% above the level it should be at.
(directed at no one on this particular forum) IF HOSPITALS COULDN'T CHARGE $50 FOR AN ASPIRIN AND DOCTORS COULDN'T BILL THEIR TIME AT $500/HR, AND AN X-RAY WHICH IS BASICALLY TURNING ON A MACHINE FOR A FEW SECONDS AND HAVING A SPECIALIST EXAMINE A CHART FOR FIVE MINUTES COULDN'T BE BILLED AT $1000+, IT WOULDN'T COST $20,000 A YEAR TO PRIVATELY INSURE A FAMILY OF THREE, YOU IDIOT FUCKS!
/rant.
Forcibly driving down costs needs to be the FIRST thing that happens.
Jesus Christ. Every discussion board I visit, I see people debating the merits of nationalized health care vs. a free market system. As always, the price argument comes up. And yet no one ever brings up the fact that the care itself is priced at least 200-300% above the level it should be at.
(directed at no one on this particular forum) IF HOSPITALS COULDN'T CHARGE $50 FOR AN ASPIRIN AND DOCTORS COULDN'T BILL THEIR TIME AT $500/HR, AND AN X-RAY WHICH IS BASICALLY TURNING ON A MACHINE FOR A FEW SECONDS AND HAVING A SPECIALIST EXAMINE A CHART FOR FIVE MINUTES COULDN'T BE BILLED AT $1000+, IT WOULDN'T COST $20,000 A YEAR TO PRIVATELY INSURE A FAMILY OF THREE, YOU IDIOT FUCKS!
/rant.
Forcibly driving down costs needs to be the FIRST thing that happens.
Point B, if the gibberment has 80 billion bucks laying aroudn to bail out any compnay dumb enough to recklessly engage the market, they have the dough to cough up some fuckin' healthcare.
Eh, let them do it. This is Matt Damon, I respect him a whole shitload more than any other actors out there.
If Paris Hilton came out in support for Obama, then I'd get annoyed :-\
Eh, let them do it. This is Matt Damon, I respect him a whole shitload more than any other actors out there.
If Paris Hilton came out in support for Obama, then I'd get annoyed :-\
Hahaha, you saw this right?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423865,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423865,00.html)
http://foxnews.proteus.com/content.html?contentId=9962
:lol :lol :lol :lol
Eh, let them do it. This is Matt Damon, I respect him a whole shitload more than any other actors out there.
If Paris Hilton came out in support for Obama, then I'd get annoyed :-\
Hahaha, you saw this right?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423865,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,423865,00.html)
(http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20080307/425.lohan.ronson.0308708.jpg)2 vaginas. Why so boggled?
The mind boggles.
(http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20080307/425.lohan.ronson.0308708.jpg)2 vaginas. Why so boggled?
The mind boggles.
(http://images.eonline.com/eol_images/Entire_Site/20080307/425.lohan.ronson.0308708.jpg)2 vaginas. Why so boggled?
The mind boggles.
I see only one woman in that photo. Does Lohan have two ham n' cheese pita sandwiches?
Were there any democrats talking about the current financial crisis a few years ago, or even 6 months ago? I'm not talking about the typical Bill Maher verbal diarrhea of "War costs money we need to raise taxes hur hur hur" Im talking about someone with an economics background.
Obviously you missed Obama's legislation seeking to curb shitty mortgages 2 years ago, or the letter he wrote urging Paulson and Bernanke to do something last year that they ignored. You were probably too busy jerking off to the idea of less regulations, so it's understandable I guess.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/26782428#26782428 -- FISH LOVE OIL RIGS
Jesus Christ. Every discussion board I visit, I see people debating the merits of nationalized health care vs. a free market system. As always, the price argument comes up. And yet no one ever brings up the fact that the care itself is priced at least 200-300% above the level it should be at.med school bills are also part of the reason doctors need such high salaries. medical school is a lot cheaper in europe so if you want to get it to a socialized system like there, you really have to overhaul the whole field of medicine.
(directed at no one on this particular forum) IF HOSPITALS COULDN'T CHARGE $50 FOR AN ASPIRIN AND DOCTORS COULDN'T BILL THEIR TIME AT $500/HR, AND AN X-RAY WHICH IS BASICALLY TURNING ON A MACHINE FOR A FEW SECONDS AND HAVING A SPECIALIST EXAMINE A CHART FOR FIVE MINUTES COULDN'T BE BILLED AT $1000+, IT WOULDN'T COST $20,000 A YEAR TO PRIVATELY INSURE A FAMILY OF THREE, YOU IDIOT FUCKS!
/rant.
Forcibly driving down costs needs to be the FIRST thing that happens.
As a feminist I AM NOT one issue. Feminists began fighting for equal pay for equal work (which we STILL do not have) and Abortion rights.
Those of you who think Roe v Wade will be overturned are swallowing the Dem bull. It simply will not happen.Don't throw away your vote. They need your vote to win and are now scampering to get it.
NO MAN will support women like women will!!
WAKE UP SISTERS there is only 1 ticket that actually had the guts to put a women on the ticket and that is the one we MUST support.
McCain will hand over to A WOMAN! Do you really think a MAN from Chicago really cares about equal pay and power for women? What does he pay his male staffers compared to the females (about $10,000 more a year, but McCain pays females on his staff MORE than the men!). Obama had the chance to put a woman on the ticket and did not.
The Dems PASSED OVER a more qualified women for a MAN! What does that tell you? So the dems throw us a bone by supporting abortion right. THIS IS NOT ENOUGH! WE NEED REAL POWER!
Join with me sisters, support EVERY powerful women who is running. When we win the feminist war, we can argue about the spoils later. WE NEED THE POWER FIRST!!!
I was going to vote for Clinton�but the choice is clear�VOTE FOR THE WOMAN!
What people tend not to get when looking at average debt after 4 years of med school (which averages about $140,000 for the 2007 class, for the 2012 class it will be significantly higher), is that during residency you get paid jack-shit. But remember, that interest is accruing all the time. Try owing $140,000 + collateralized interest over the terms of residency, plus any residual debt from your undergrad education. Average residency of an anaesthetist is 3 years; for a general surgeon it's 8 years. You want to further specialize, you're looking at another 2 - 3 years on average. All the while, that debt is increasing 'cause realistically it's difficult to pay anything meaningful towards it.Jesus Christ. Every discussion board I visit, I see people debating the merits of nationalized health care vs. a free market system. As always, the price argument comes up. And yet no one ever brings up the fact that the care itself is priced at least 200-300% above the level it should be at.med school bills are also part of the reason doctors need such high salaries. medical school is a lot cheaper in europe so if you want to get it to a socialized system like there, you really have to overhaul the whole field of medicine.
(directed at no one on this particular forum) IF HOSPITALS COULDN'T CHARGE $50 FOR AN ASPIRIN AND DOCTORS COULDN'T BILL THEIR TIME AT $500/HR, AND AN X-RAY WHICH IS BASICALLY TURNING ON A MACHINE FOR A FEW SECONDS AND HAVING A SPECIALIST EXAMINE A CHART FOR FIVE MINUTES COULDN'T BE BILLED AT $1000+, IT WOULDN'T COST $20,000 A YEAR TO PRIVATELY INSURE A FAMILY OF THREE, YOU IDIOT FUCKS!
/rant.
Forcibly driving down costs needs to be the FIRST thing that happens.
I'm betting that's a viral marketer.
to be fair, I would describe a lot of white people as not being intelligent at school or smart at everyday things. That's why I wish there was comparisons to people in general, rather than just focusing on one color with nothing to compare it to.
not just republicans - >40% of white dems would describe black people as "hard-working," "intelligent at school," and "smart at everyday things." sad, sad, sad
At the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.
McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/20/al-franken-john-mccain-sn_n_128008.html -- haha so good:lol
McCain campaign fights for, wins changes to format of the VP debate. (http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/21/us/politics/21debate.html?_r=4&hp=&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=1221944424-M80ol3HyyXHv4YOA0dtK0w&oref=slogin&oref=slogin&oref=slogin)QuoteAt the insistence of the McCain campaign, the Oct. 2 debate between the Republican nominee for vice president, Gov. Sarah Palin, and her Democratic rival, Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., will have shorter question-and-answer segments than those for the presidential nominees, the advisers said. There will also be much less opportunity for free-wheeling, direct exchanges between the running mates.
McCain advisers said they had been concerned that a loose format could leave Ms. Palin, a relatively inexperienced debater, at a disadvantage and largely on the defensive.
FUCKIN WHO CARES, SIAMESEDREAMER IS IN FUCKING LOVE WHOOO
WASHINGTON - Deep-seated racial misgivings could cost Barack Obama the White House if the election is close, according to an AP-Yahoo News poll that found one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks — many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles.
The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference between the candidates in 2004 — about two and one-half percentage points.
Certainly, Republican John McCain has his own obstacles: He's an ally of an unpopular president and would be the nation's oldest first-term president. But Obama faces this: 40 percent of all white Americans hold at least a partly negative view toward blacks, and that includes many Democrats and independents.
Issue among Democrats
The findings suggest that Obama's problem is close to home — among his fellow Democrats, particularly non-Hispanic white voters. Just seven in 10 people who call themselves Democrats support Obama, compared to the 85 percent of self-identified Republicans who back McCain.
The survey also focused on the racial attitudes of independent voters because they are likely to decide the election.
Lots of Republicans harbor prejudices, too, but the survey found they weren't voting against Obama because of his race. Most Republicans wouldn't vote for any Democrat for president — white, black or brown.
Not all whites are prejudiced. Indeed, more whites say good things about blacks than say bad things, the poll shows. And many whites who see blacks in a negative light are still willing or even eager to vote for Obama.
On the other side of the racial question, the Illinois Democrat is drawing almost unanimous support from blacks, the poll shows, though that probably wouldn't be enough to counter the negative effect of some whites' views.
Race is not the biggest factor driving Democrats and independents away from Obama. Doubts about his competency loom even larger, the poll indicates. More than a quarter of all Democrats expressed doubt that Obama can bring about the change they want, and they are likely to vote against him because of that.
Three in 10 of those Democrats who don't trust Obama's change-making credentials say they plan to vote for McCain.
Still, the effects of whites' racial views are apparent in the polling.
Statistical models derived from the poll suggest that Obama's support would be as much as 6 percentage points higher if there were no white racial prejudice.
But in an election without precedent, it's hard to know if such models take into account all the possible factors at play.
The AP-Yahoo poll used the unique methodology of Knowledge Networks, a Menlo Park, Calif., firm that interviews people online after randomly selecting and screening them over telephone. Numerous studies have shown that people are more likely to report embarrassing behavior and unpopular opinions when answering questions on a computer rather than talking to a stranger.
Other techniques used in the poll included recording people's responses to black or white faces flashed on a computer screen, asking participants to rate how well certain adjectives apply to blacks, measuring whether people believe blacks' troubles are their own fault, and simply asking people how much they like or dislike blacks.
"We still don't like black people," said John Clouse, 57, reflecting the sentiments of his pals gathered at a coffee shop in Somerset, Ohio.
Word association
Given a choice of several positive and negative adjectives that might describe blacks, 20 percent of all whites said the word "violent" strongly applied. Among other words, 22 percent agreed with "boastful," 29 percent "complaining," 13 percent "lazy" and 11 percent "irresponsible." When asked about positive adjectives, whites were more likely to stay on the fence than give a strongly positive assessment.
Among white Democrats, one-third cited a negative adjective and, of those, 58 percent said they planned to back Obama.
The poll sought to measure latent prejudices among whites by asking about factors contributing to the state of black America. One finding: More than a quarter of white Democrats agree that "if blacks would only try harder, they could be just as well off as whites."
Those who agreed with that statement were much less likely to back Obama than those who didn't.
Among white independents, racial stereotyping is not uncommon. For example, while about 20 percent of independent voters called blacks "intelligent" or "smart," more than one third latched on the adjective "complaining" and 24 percent said blacks were "violent."
Nearly four in 10 white independents agreed that blacks would be better off if they "try harder."
The survey broke ground by incorporating images of black and white faces to measure implicit racial attitudes, or prejudices that are so deeply rooted that people may not realize they have them. That test suggested the incidence of racial prejudice is even higher, with more than half of whites revealing more negative feelings toward blacks than whites.
The Clinton factor
Researchers used mathematical modeling to sort out the relative impact of a huge swath of variables that might have an impact on people's votes — including race, ideology, party identification, the hunger for change and the sentiments of Sen. Hillary Clinton's backers.
Just 59 percent of her white Democratic supporters said they wanted Obama to be president. Nearly 17 percent of Clinton's white backers plan to vote for McCain.
Among white Democrats, Clinton supporters were nearly twice as likely as Obama backers to say at least one negative adjective described blacks well, a finding that suggests many of her supporters in the primaries — particularly whites with high school education or less — were motivated in part by racial attitudes.
The survey of 2,227 adults was conducted Aug. 27 to Sept. 5. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 2.1 percentage points.
u mad?
old, almost everyone is a little racist, being shocked by this only makes you look stupid.
Beardo could make the next McCain commercial::lol
"Democrats racist? Obama is a Democrat. Obama hates black people. That's change we don't need.
I'm John McCain and I approve this message."
u mad?
No, I just assumed the average age of posters here at the bore was over 12 years old. I guess I was mistaken.old, almost everyone is a little racist, being shocked by this only makes you look stupid.
Damage control? :lol :lol
So when the poll that shows that republicans are racist comes out. You guys say stuff like, "man, republican racism confirmed and sealed." But when there is evidence that the democrats are racist your excuse is "Oh everyone is racist it's ok"
SMH @ Hypocrites
u mad?
No, I just assumed the average age of posters here at the bore was over 12 years old. I guess I was mistaken.old, almost everyone is a little racist, being shocked by this only makes you look stupid.
Damage control? :lol :lol
So when the poll that shows that republicans are racist comes out. You guys say stuff like, "man, republican racism confirmed and sealed." But when there is evidence that the democrats are racist your excuse is "Oh everyone is racist it's ok"
SMH @ Hypocrites
It's the same poll Tiesto posted, dipshit.
"man, republican racism confirmed and sealed."
Show me where i've said that. Quit projecting your own bullshit logic on us just so you have a leg to stand on.I never said that you said it. I said evilbore said it. Since all of evilbore's liberal collective is the same group circle jerk.
He's like a little kid lol.
You guys are gonna have to go easy on Beardo, he's grappling with the fact that it's the Republican party that has gifted America with socialism. Of course, just like everything else the Republicans touches it's shitty, ineffectual socialism that benefits maybe only 1% of the country but hey! Gotta start somewhere.
I'm wondering if we're going to see an increase of suicide rates.
Finance/Business majors with a shitload of student loans who can't find much work because existing financial firms are having hiring freezes.
First, there must be no blank check when American taxpayers are on the hook for this much money.
Second, taxpayers shouldn't be spending a dime to reward CEOs on Wall Street.
Third, taxpayers should be protected and should be able to recoup this investment.
Fourth, this plan has to help homeowners stay in their homes.
Fifth, this is a global crisis, and the United States must insist that other nations join us in helping secure the financial markets.
Sixth, we need to start putting in place the rules of the road I've been calling for for years to prevent this from ever happening again.
And finally, this plan can't just be a plan for Wall Street, it has to be a plan for Main Street.
Finance/Business majors with a shitload of student loans who can't find much work because existing financial firms are having hiring freezes.
Not sure how the market's going to look for accountants in the short or long run after all of this. Thank god I have the option of going for my Masters after this summer to kind of delay my entry into that particular job field. I'm just gonna work at my current company a couple years longer than I had hoped to make sure I pay off my loans entirely before I accept a pay cut to start my career.
"Governor Palin, are you ready at this moment to perform surgery on this child's brain?"
"Of course, Charlie. I have several boys of my own, and I'm an avid hunter."
"But governor, this is neurosurgery, and you have no training as a surgeon of any kind."
"That's just the point, Charlie. The American people want change in how we make medical decisions in this country. And when faced with a challenge, you cannot blink."
Go ahead dems keep attacking the republicans VP on her experience as if she was the top of the ticket. I dont want to see any whiney threads on EB or NEOGAF when Mccain wins.
How can she be so 'Christian', yet lie so much?
It is one of their core beliefs regardless of what you think about christianity. But ya, THou shalt not lie is the 2nd to last commandment.How can she be so 'Christian', yet lie so much?
How can you be Christian and not lie so much. Is there anything more dishonest than Christianity?
Matt MillenLiar or just incompetent?
It is one of their core beliefs regardless of what you think about christianity. But ya, THou shalt not lie is the 2nd to last commandment.Thanks, I had no idea there was commandment against lying. ::)
It is one of their core beliefs regardless of what you think about christianity. But ya, THou shalt not lie is the 2nd to last commandment.How can she be so 'Christian', yet lie so much?
How can you be Christian and not lie so much. Is there anything more dishonest than Christianity?
I've heard that used for Thou shalt not kill so I imagine they apply that to bearing false witness.
you can't accept the premise that a politician doesn't require much experience to become president.
you can't accept the premise that a politician doesn't require much experience to become president.
Why? Cheney had tons of experience. Should he be president?
I actually think principle is more important than experience.
Oh c'mon.. It was just my little play on the fact that being the 9th out of 10 commandments, it wasn't high priority. :P
Thanks, I had no idea there was commandment against lying. ::)
defending religion as usual. great job maf
How can she be so 'Christian', yet lie so much?
defending religion as usual. great job maf
Knowing MAF, he was probably defending RPG's.
take a chill pill dude, it was a troll
and Malek pray for me: my african american studies teacher is having a New Black Panther Party member speak today. They're a black supremacist, anti-semite group with no redeeming qualities and very different from the original Panthers. I've had dealings with them before, and even had one pull a gun on me. This should be fun
take a chill pill dude, it was a troll
and Malek pray for me: my african american studies teacher is having a New Black Panther Party member speak today. They're a black supremacist, anti-semite group with no redeeming qualities and very different from the original Panthers. I've had dealings with them before, and even had one pull a gun on me. This should be fun
This is the state of our great republic: We've nationalized the financial system, taking control from Wall Street bankers we no longer trust. We're about to quasi-nationalize the Detroit auto companies via massive loans because they're a source of American pride, and too many jobs — and votes — are at stake. Our Social Security system is going broke as we head for a future where too many retirees will be supported by too few workers. How long before we have national healthcare? Put it all together, and the America that emerges is a cartoonish version of the country most despised by red-meat red-state patriots: France. Only with worse food.:lol
I hope the government nationalizes student loans and reduces the interest to almost nothing or better yet, writes off large portions of it.Yeah right. You can't line the pockets of the rich with that.
I hope the government nationalizes student loans and reduces the interest to almost nothing or better yet, writes off large portions of it.SMH.
I hope the government nationalizes student loans and reduces the interest to almost nothing or better yet, writes off large portions of it.Australia is quite good that way. You incur the debt pay no/little interest during your course until you graduate and earn over a certain threshold you start to pay the debt off.
I hope the government nationalizes student loans and reduces the interest to almost nothing or better yet, writes off large portions of it.
I hope the government nationalizes student loans and reduces the interest to almost nothing or better yet, writes off large portions of it.
SMH.
The more free money there is to pay for college the more college will cost.
You guys hear the rumors about McCain's Chief of Staff being gay?
I'd love to see the religious right spin that one if true.
It's not a rumor apparently
You guys hear the rumors about McCain's Chief of Staff being gay?It'd be FABULOUS!!
I'd love to see the religious right spin that one if true.
take a chill pill dude, it was a trollwas that the time where he wasn't really pulling a gun on you?
and Malek pray for me: my african american studies teacher is having a New Black Panther Party member speak today. They're a black supremacist, anti-semite group with no redeeming qualities and very different from the original Panthers. I've had dealings with them before, and even had one pull a gun on me. This should be fun
Nope, doubt they will. There have been prominent gay republicans before (Ken Melhman or whatever his name is)
There are also some persistent rumors that Rove is gay.
In any case Republicans don't think they got played by Rove because they don't think Rove's that important or that people who say things they like are being manipulative.
Democrats give more weight to Rove and Cheney, while Republicans generally think (thought?) of Bush as a firm, honest commander.
It's natural to believe people's sincerity when they say things you believe, and doubt it when they say stuff you don't. Not to draw an equivalence though; the gay-baiting in 2004 was completely cynical and Rove was definitely cracking the whip.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/obama-hits-mccains-foreig_n_128577.html -- haha CARS! I'd laugh at this but michigan is pretty single minded.:lol
:lolTo be a little fair, this is an ad specifically for Detroit, the city where General Motors, Ford, and Chrysler are headed, which provide a huge amount of employment and business to the city and to the state of Michigan.
So he only owns only nine American cars.
And, OMG, he bought his daughter a Toyota Prius.
Jesus Christ, Americans! Your election cycle drags on forever, focused on non-issue after non-issue. Your election will decided after our Canadian election, even though the campaign only started a couple of weeks ago.
How can canadienz listen to Sara Palin talk when she butchers that cool Canadien accent?
???How can canadienz listen to Sara Palin talk when she butchers that cool Canadien accent?
She doesn't sound like any Canadians I have ever met. For instance, "terrorist" is three syllables, not two! Her accent seems like it's out of "Fargo."
A McCain administration would discourage Israeli-Syrian peace talks and refrain from actively engaging in the Israeli-Palestinian peace process.
That was the message delivered over the weekend by two McCain advisers -- Max Boot, a senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, and Richard Williamson, the Bush administration's special envoy to Sudan -- during a retreat hosted by the Washington Institute for Near East Policy at the Lansdowne Resort in rural Virginia.
???How can canadienz listen to Sara Palin talk when she butchers that cool Canadien accent?
She doesn't sound like any Canadians I have ever met. For instance, "terrorist" is three syllables, not two! Her accent seems like it's out of "Fargo."
She says aboot and called Obama a hoser, what's left?
Back on track, this is fuck awesome:
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Sarah's Excellent Foreign Leader Adventure! (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/media-presses-mccain-campaign-for-access-to-palin-meeting/)So is the media boycott on then? I doubt they have the cajones for it.
The gist of it- apparently, our gal Sarah was supposed to meet up with some foreign leaders at the UN to brush up her foreign policy chops. The McCain campaign, in their continued effort to keep the press away from her, said that only cameras would be allowed in, no actual reporters! The press uncharacteristically grew a pair of balls and threatened to pull their cameras, thereby depriving Palin of her photo op. So the McCain campaign apparently relented and decided to allow a reporter in. Except they got ushered out AFTER 29 SECONDS. And of course the McCain campaign says it was "a mix-up". Uh huh.
Sarah's Excellent Foreign Leader Adventure! (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/09/23/media-presses-mccain-campaign-for-access-to-palin-meeting/)
The gist of it- apparently, our gal Sarah was supposed to meet up with some foreign leaders at the UN to brush up her foreign policy chops. The McCain campaign, in their continued effort to keep the press away from her, said that only cameras would be allowed in, no actual reporters! The press uncharacteristically grew a pair of balls and threatened to pull their cameras, thereby depriving Palin of her photo op. So the McCain campaign apparently relented and decided to allow a reporter in. Except they got ushered out AFTER 29 SECONDS. And of course the McCain campaign says it was "a mix-up". Uh huh.
So is the media boycott on then? I doubt they have the cajones for it.
CBS News was with him last Thursday during one of the rockiest weeks in history for the U.S. economy, something that wasn't lost on the six-term senator.
"Part of what being a leader does is to instill confidence is to demonstrate what he or she knows what they are talking about and to communicating to people ... this is how we can fix this," Biden said. "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt* got on the television** and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"
http://cbs2.com/politics/joe.biden.interview.2.823202.html (http://cbs2.com/politics/joe.biden.interview.2.823202.html)QuoteCBS News was with him last Thursday during one of the rockiest weeks in history for the U.S. economy, something that wasn't lost on the six-term senator.
"Part of what being a leader does is to instill confidence is to demonstrate what he or she knows what they are talking about and to communicating to people ... this is how we can fix this," Biden said. "When the stock market crashed, Franklin Roosevelt* got on the television** and didn't just talk about the princes of greed. He said, 'look, here's what happened.'"spoiler (click to show/hide)
* Not actually president in 1929
** Not actually invented in 1929[close]
why would you interpret that as literally the day after the crash?
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13736.html -- Palin apparently doesnt show up for work much lol
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/23/obama-hits-mccains-foreig_n_128577.html -- haha CARS! I'd laugh at this but michigan is pretty single minded.:lol
So he only owns only nine American cars.
And, OMG, he bought his daughter a Toyota Prius.
Jesus Christ, Americans! Your election cycle drags on forever, focused on non-issue after non-issue. Your election will decided after our Canadian election, even though the campaign only started a couple of weeks ago.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13736.html -- Palin apparently doesnt show up for work much lol
She has more in common with Obama then we first thought.
Well three of the cars are even pure electric buggy short range vehicles. They go LOL OLD PEOPLE BUGGY but should dems really knock someone for owning three? I think it has more to do with his lie to the people in michigan.
well if you don't assume that he made a simple grammatical error, then you have to assume that most senators don't know who Herbert Hoover was.why would you interpret that as literally the day after the crash?"When the stock market crashed" is an adverbial clauses that modifies the independent clause "Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed." You don't have to interpret it as the same day, but at least sometime immediately after the crash--certainly not four years later when Roosevelt finally became president.
well if you don't assume that he made a simple grammatical error, then you have to assume that most senators don't know who Herbert Hoover was.why would you interpret that as literally the day after the crash?"When the stock market crashed" is an adverbial clauses that modifies the independent clause "Franklin Roosevelt got on the television and didn't just talk about the princes of greed." You don't have to interpret it as the same day, but at least sometime immediately after the crash--certainly not four years later when Roosevelt finally became president.
Back on track, this is fuck awesome:
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I don't understand how Obama's lead has been shrinking over the past few days. It's down to 3 points according to the last Gallup poll. How is he not up by 7+ at this point?
bobobo grow govt...haha I mean economy of course you dont want to grow econ..I mean govt ahhhhhh shit
National polls are fucking worthless because of the electoral college, pay attention to state polls. www.fivethirtyeight.com is your friend.
It looks like McCain is tanking in important places- Colorado is increasingly leaning Obama, as is Virginia and the Tampa area of Florida is starting to heavily tilt towards Obama. Iowa and New Mexico are pretty much out of reach for McCain now. If I were Obama, I would focus as much as possible on playing offense in Nevada, Florida, Virginia and Colorado. Apparently he needs to play defense in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and Pennsylvania, although I'm of the opinion that he'll win all four states.
bobobo grow govt...haha I mean economy of course you dont want to grow econ..I mean govt ahhhhhh shit
'lol I saw that Freudian slip. And that is exactly what it was.
National polls are fucking worthless because of the electoral college, pay attention to state polls. www.fivethirtyeight.com is your friend.
It looks like McCain is tanking in important places- Colorado is increasingly leaning Obama, as is Virginia and the Tampa area of Florida is starting to heavily tilt towards Obama. Iowa and New Mexico are pretty much out of reach for McCain now. If I were Obama, I would focus as much as possible on playing offense in Nevada, Florida, Virginia and Colorado. Apparently he needs to play defense in Wisconsin, Minnesota, Michigan and Pennsylvania, although I'm of the opinion that he'll win all four states.
What about Ohio, Montana, and NC? A blue-shift is certainly possible, but it would take a lot of work and a bit of luck. Actually, based on checking 538 and other polling sites, Ohio seems much more in reach than Florida.
Except me :(
(I live in northeast Ohio)
I'm in the same boat as Brandnew, to be honest. Of the Bush 2004 states that Obama is targeting I'd say he's likely to flip them in this order: Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada, North Carolina, Florida and lastly Ohio. Nothing good has ever come out of Ohio, let's be honest.
I'm in the same boat as Brandnew, to be honest. Of the Bush 2004 states that Obama is targeting I'd say he's likely to flip them in this order: Iowa, New Mexico, Colorado, Virginia, Nevada, North Carolina, Florida and lastly Ohio. Nothing good has ever come out of Ohio, let's be honest.
Ohio this election has been been nearly tied in state polls for a while now. However, I still think it'll go red as usual, because the southern Ohio area is something fierce.
I have a little more faith in Florida, to be honest.
It's really bad down there. That two hour shitfest drive from Columbus to Cincy is borderline scary.
BIBLE IS TRUTH signs everywhere
It's really bad down there. That two hour shitfest drive from Columbus to Cincy is borderline scary.
BIBLE IS TRUTH signs everywhere
Funny thing to me was getting made fun of for being from Kentucky. We have our fair shair of ignorant racist bible thumpers...but nothing like I met there. I worked with a guy from Cleveland who was all for ceding southern Ohio to its own state. Huge difference between the two parts.
Florida definitely seems better positioned than Ohio at this point. The demographics in FL are better for Obama and McCain's had his head in the sand there for months, assuming that Obama wouldn't seriously compete there. Oops!
NC is Obama's if he can keep up the mix of "tied" and "+3 McCain" polling results. Anything near +2 McCain in the final polling means Obama wins here, McCain has nothing on the ground and NC Dems have been busting their butts like crazy for their ticket. Turnout is expected to be enormous given the races on the ballot this year.
and yeah, nothing good comes from Ohio. FACT.
What do you guys think about the bailout plan, Paulson's idea? From what I understand it basically overpays for shitty assets, and because of this that extra money goes directly to these various firms/their CEOs/etc. They're asking for people and the government to bail them out, then requiring no oversight which makes no sense.
my limited understanding is based on econ lectures this semester as well as articles like this
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/22/opinion/22krugman.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
And a big :bow to Investopedia
In an interview with CNN's Larry King airing tonight, Bill Clinton offered a slightly unusual reason for postponing his campaigning for Obama: The Jewish high holidays of Rosh Hashanah and Yom Kippur, which he's not known to observe.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
"When [the Clinton Global Initiative] is over, and after the Jewish holidays, which follow close on it, I intend to go to Florida, to Ohio, to northeast Pennsylvania, and to Nevada at a minimum," he said. "I may do events in Arkansas depending on what the Democratic Party does down there. And I've agreed to do some fundraising for them in California and New York."
"Are you kind of feeling Jewish that you're waiting until after the Jewish holidays?" King asked, according to a CNN transcript.
"No. But I think it would be -- if we're trying to win in Florida, it may be that," Clinton began, before discussing his real Florida target: "You know, they think that because of who I am and where my politic[al] base has traditionally been, they may want me to go sort of hustle up what Lawton Chiles used to call the 'cracker vote' there."
"But Senator Obama also has a big stake in doing well in the Jewish community in Florida, where Hillary did very well and where I did very well. And I just think respecting the holidays is a good thing to do," he said.
Yeah... Bill will go campaign heavily for Obama... later. Uh, later than that. Still later. Oops! It's election day! Oh well, I guess we'll try harder in 2012 (with Hillary).
I dunno, I saw him pushing Obama hard on the daily show.
I dunno, I saw him pushing Obama hard on the daily show.
Eh, I always find he sidesteps full out saying THIS MAN SHOULD BE PRESIDENT
I mean, we all know he's endorsed him and is slightly compaigning...but Hildawg is doing much more.
The Paulson Plan picked up an unusual endorsement last night when Jim Cramer, the bombastic host of CNBC's "Mad Money" and a former Wall Street executive, called for its passage. Cramer's support of the plan is noteworthy because he has been the loudest -- and we mean loudest -- critics of Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke and Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson for their handling -- or, in his opinion, the lack thereof -- of the financial crisis.http://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/
Last summer, Cramer had his viral 15-minutes when he unleashed a red-faced tirade against the Fed that whipped around the Internet and was met largely with snickering. Today, he looks prescient, having warned that foreclosures were destroying investment bank's balance sheets. "Bernanke's being an academic! It's no time to be an academic!" he shouted.
"He has no idea how bad it is out there! He has no idea! I have talked to the heads of almost every one of these firms in the last 72 hours and he has no idea what it's like out there! None!"
He added, correctly, "These firms are going to go out of business! And they're nuts! They're nuts! They know nothing!...This is a different kind of market and the fed is asleep...We have armageddon!"
For the administration head, he also had a message. "There was a president by the name of Hoover and no one thinks much of him now," said Cramer. "Will somebody come on TV and tell the truth about how bad it is?"
On his show last night, Cramer defended Paulson and Bernanke and noted that it may be the first time he'd ever done so. The conventional wisdom on Capitol Hill is that the point of the bailout is to rid the banks of their toxic assetts so that they can become stable. But that's not the primary purpose, argued Cramer.
Rather, the goal of Paulson's plan is to stem the foreclosures with the purpose of stopping the decline in housing prices. The collapse of the housing market has diminished the value of banks' holdings; reverse that decline and the system works again. Paulson's plan would slow foreclosures, Cramer argued, because the government would be the mortgage holder and could negotiate with the homeowner to help him or her stay in the house. Fewer foreclosures means less housing supply and the eventual bottoming out of the market, which he thinks will come in nine months.
He had kind words for Democratic components of the plan, too, arguing that executives who agree to work with the treasury should agree to work for free in 2009 and that the government should be given an equity stake in companies it bails out.
Cramer also noted that regardless of Paulson's skills at managing the economy, his record as a Wall Street trader is an impressive one. "Paulson knows how to make money," said Cramer, suggesting that Paulson's planned-for $700 billion dive into the market could end up being profitable for the taxpayer. "I'll bank with him."
What do you guys think about Obama and McCain's energy plans and the bailing out business? I haven't really read this thread because I think politics are boring as fuck, I'd rather get high than read this shit, but I think these things are quite important.
Sounds good.
I'm really feelin' Obama.
What do you guys think about Obama and McCain's energy plans and the bailing out business? I haven't really read this thread because I think politics are boring as fuck, I'd rather get high than read this shit, but I think these things are quite important.
Sounds good.
I'm really feelin' Obama.
Of course you are! He'sspoiler (click to show/hide)a sensible, intelligent candidate.[close]spoiler (click to show/hide)Lolz I bet you thought I was gonna say HE'S BLACK![close]spoiler (click to show/hide)He totally is, though. Black, that is.[close]
Breaking news on MSNBC
-McCain is suspending his campaign to work on bailout
-Asks for friday debate to be moved back
King of empty gestures and band-aid solutions.
Using the financial crisis McCain is able to continue not having Palin or himself talk to the press and reveal how inept the both really are.
Using the financial crisis McCain is able to continue not having Palin or himself talk to the press and reveal how inept the both really are.
They just may be saving it for the debates.
WASHINGTON—Amid allegations that his thoughtless and insensitive decisions have damaged his relationship with the nation, President George W. Bush vowed Monday that he would, starting now, "make everything better."
"This time I'm serious," Bush said. "I am ready to make a fresh start if we can just put the past behind us. I promise."
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Bush swears that this time he's really going to pay attention to all 280 million U.S. citizens, and try to do right by them for once.
An estimated 35 million citizens listened to the president's televised remarks while silently crying behind locked bathroom doors.
Though Bush told all Americans they owed it to him to give him one more chance, he admitted that there was no excuse for his mishandling of national affairs.
"Things have just been so crazy at work lately," he said.
During the 14-minute address Bush acknowledged that he and the country had drifted apart. He accepted some of the blame, but stressed that it was partly the American people's fault, and went on to chide them for not giving him an opportunity to explain, not standing behind him, and failing to understand his "very real" need for unchecked executive authority.
"My job is stressful," Bush said. "Trust me, things will calm down in a few months once I don't have to deal with it anymore."
The president, whose approval ratings have dropped steadily in recent years, said he had no idea how bad things had gotten until he found out that an overwhelming percentage of Americans didn't even bother responding to an opinion poll this month about his recent $3.1 trillion budget proposal.
Bush has since taken steps towards reconciliation with the American people, including promoting a promise to help alleviate the fiscal woes the U.S. has faced in recent months. Bush said he knew that the $300 he intended to give to every citizen "couldn't possibly make up for how [he has] governed," but nevertheless asked the nation to have faith in him.
"I know it's not much, but it's a start, right?" Bush said. "And it hasn't always been bad. Doesn't this remind you of that other $300 rebate I gave you in 2003? You always forget all the times I'm a really great president. We have really had some wonderful moments."
"Cut me some slack here, for Christ's sake," Bush continued. "I'm trying. I really am."
In addition to providing economic relief, Bush said he has taken other measures to strengthen his bond with the nation. According to the president, his newly proposed warrantless-wiretapping bill will greatly broaden the reach of his personal attention to the American people's needs and put him in a position to be more directly involved in their lives.
The president concluded by imploring the nation to help him rectify the situation, stressing that he always has America's best interests at heart but cannot be expected to improve things all by himself.
"You have to realize that everything I do, I do for you," Bush said. "Do you think I like denying health care to underprivileged children, or plunging the country deeper and deeper into debt? Well, I don't, and I hope someday you'll understand that. In the meantime, I'm asking the American people to try to meet me halfway on this."
Despite Bush's seemingly conciliatory stance, public response to Bush's promises has been frosty at best. Cato Institute policy scholar Brian Whitaker echoed the sentiments of many Americans, calling Bush's recent overtures "too little, too late."
"We want to believe that he's finally going to be the president we always wanted, but we've given him so many chances," Whitaker said. "I don't think we can handle another disappointment. Maybe it's time to realize that President Bush will never be the head of state we need him to be."
"Then again, maybe our expectations are unfair," Whitaker added. "He seemed so sincere this time. He wouldn't abuse his executive powers if he didn't care about us, right?"
Whitaker predicted that the nation will likely move forward and try to forget Bush, though it may be difficult for Americans to ever trust a president again. He said the current crop of presidential contenders offers little in the way of an alternative to Bush, but maintained that "at least Barack Obama listens to us."
oh shits! bridge to nowhere: THE RETURN OF THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE AKA I NOWHERED YOU DID LAST SUMMER(http://www.greatoutdoors.org/oclb/Tripnotes/images/bridge2nowhere2.jpg)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html
oh shits! bridge to nowhere: THE RETURN OF THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE AKA I NOWHERED YOU DID LAST SUMMER(http://www.greatoutdoors.org/oclb/Tripnotes/images/bridge2nowhere2.jpg)
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html
Thats an Onion article, right MAF?
Right?
So...if you're in Obama's war room right now, you've got Obama to your left, Axelrod to your right, and Scarlett Johansson on your lap...what do you do/say?You fuck Scarlett and ignore the others. Or if your gay, you fuck Obama and ignore the others. Or just have an orgy.
haha so touchy
What do you guys think about Obama and McCain's energy plans and the bailing out business? I haven't really read this thread because I think politics are boring as fuck, I'd rather get high than read this shit, but I think these things are quite important.
McCain's plan for everything: I dropped off the money exactly as per... look, man, I've got certain information, all right? Certain things have come to light. And, you know, has it ever occurred to you, that, instead of, uh, you know, running around, uh, uh, blaming me, you know, given the nature of all this new shit, you know, I-I-I-I... this could be a-a-a-a lot more, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, complex, I mean, it's not just, it might not be just such a simple... uh, you know?
oh shits! bridge to nowhere: THE RETURN OF THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE AKA I NOWHERED YOU DID LAST SUMMER
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html
*** UPDATE *** NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that Obama campaign strategist Robert Gibbs said, Obama initiated contact at 8:30 this morning after discussing it on the flight to Tampa yesterday afternoon and again last night. They discussed a joint statement of shared principles on the bailout package -- to help move it along toward consensus on the Hill.
At 2:35 p.m., McCain called back and mentioned whether they should meet at the White House and delay the debate. Asked whether they should delay the debate, Gibbs said that this is a global financial crisis -- and there would be no better way to shed light this crisis than to debate it. Gibbs says they have not decided whether or not it would be better to postpone the debate -- but want to talk to the sponsors (the debate commission) first.
oh shits! bridge to nowhere: THE RETURN OF THE BRIDGE TO NOWHERE AKA I NOWHERED YOU DID LAST SUMMER
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/09/23/biden.earmarks/index.html
as presented it's inexcusable. the question is why did they vote against the amendment?
Quote*** UPDATE *** NBC's Andrea Mitchell reports that Obama campaign strategist Robert Gibbs said, Obama initiated contact at 8:30 this morning after discussing it on the flight to Tampa yesterday afternoon and again last night. They discussed a joint statement of shared principles on the bailout package -- to help move it along toward consensus on the Hill.
At 2:35 p.m., McCain called back and mentioned whether they should meet at the White House and delay the debate. Asked whether they should delay the debate, Gibbs said that this is a global financial crisis -- and there would be no better way to shed light this crisis than to debate it. Gibbs says they have not decided whether or not it would be better to postpone the debate -- but want to talk to the sponsors (the debate commission) first.
So Obama calls up McCain and wants to release a joint statement. McCain calls back and agrees...then says he's also going to suspend his campaign and wants Obama to do the same. McCain injected politics into this, not Obama. Suspending the debates may be a good idea, I'd probably agree to move it back a couple days. Suspending your campaign though? Fuck no
ABC News’ George Stephanopoulos and Rick Klein report: Sen. John McCain on Wednesday said he would “suspend” his presidential campaign to come to Washington to help negotiate a financial bailout bill, a dramatic move designed to seize a powerful issue.http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/09/mccain-not-comm.html
However a senior Obama campaign official said Obama "intends to debate."
"The debate is on," a senior Obama campaign official told ABC News.
Obama supporter and chief debate negotiator Rep. Rahm Emanuel, D-Ill., told MSNBC that "we can handle both," when asked about his reaction to McCain's call to postpone the first debate because of the administration's bailout plan.
What's changed today in the financial crisis other than John McCain's poll numbers tanking? Isn't this the campaign equivalent of faking an injury when you're down late in the 4th quarter? Note too that McCain was in the midst of debate prep when he made this decision.
If this is how McCain reacts to emergencies when he's just a nominee, how will he handle crises as President?
Obama press conference/comments in 15min or so
Mccains not going to win the election.
http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReportUC.aspx?g=54d651a7-a62b-4420-bb32-9dd6b2df8c02
lol
David Letterman tells audience that McCain called him today to tell him he had to rush back to DC to deal with the economy.http://drudgereport.com/flash3cbm.htm
Then in the middle of the taping Dave got word that McCain was, in fact just down the street being interviewed by Katie Couric. Dave even cut over to the live video of the interview, and said, "Hey Senator, can I give you a ride home?"
Earlier in the show, Dave kept saying, "You don't suspend your campaign. This doesn't smell right. This isn't the way a tested hero behaves." And he joked: "I think someone's putting something in his metamucil."
"He can't run the campaign because the economy is cratering? Fine, put in your second string quarterback, Sara Palin. Where is she?"
"What are you going to do if you're elected and things get tough? Suspend being president? We've got a guy like that now!"
Fox News just reported that John McCain currently does not plan to attend the debate Friday night but that if a plan is agreed to by Friday, he will:lol
Malek :lol
McCain accidentally sent his talking points to the media
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0908/Suspension_The_talking_points.html?showall
his campaign is imploding, Hillary style
Ah ha!:lol
Things just crystalized. On THE MOTHERFUCKING SITUATION ROOM just now the McCain camp apparently said they want to move Friday's debate to next Thursday, and bump the VP debate to "a later date".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
COURIC: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?http://home.comcast.net/~duncanblack/couricpalin.htm
PALIN: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.
COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.
PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.
COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?
PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.
Palin got owned by Couric?QuoteCOURIC: You've said, quote, "John McCain will reform the way Wall Street does business." Other than supporting stricter regulations of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac two years ago, can you give us any more example of his leading the charge for more oversight?http://home.comcast.net/~duncanblack/couricpalin.htm
PALIN: I think that the example that you just cited, with his warnings two years ago about Fannie and Freddie--that, that's paramount. That's more than a heck of a lot of other senators and representatives did for us.
COURIC: But he's been in Congress for 26 years. He's been chairman of the powerful Commerce Committee. And he has almost always sided with less regulation, not more.
PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though. Taking shots from his own party, and certainly taking shots from the other party. Trying to get people to understand what he's been talking about--the need to reform government.
COURIC: I'm just going to ask you one more time, not to belabor the point. Specific examples in his 26 years of pushing for more regulation?
PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.
:lol
PALIN: He's also known as the maverick though
LOLLLLL, Laura Bush says Palin lacks foreign policy experience::rofl
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/palin_laura_bush (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080924/ap_on_el_pr/palin_laura_bush)
Ah ha!:lol
Things just crystalized. On THE MOTHERFUCKING SITUATION ROOM just now the McCain camp apparently said they want to move Friday's debate to next Thursday, and bump the VP debate to "a later date".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
the potential timeline:
September 26th: McCain fails to show up for presidential debate.
October 2nd: VP Debate - Palin gets shit canned by Biden in the debate, is seen as unprepared and acknowledgeable
October 7th: McCain shows up for debate - which is scheduled to be about the economy
:lol
Maybe Obama was right to switch the first debate to foreign policy afterall.
PALIN: I'll try to find you some and I'll bring them to you.Take it easy on her guys, she was just reading from the teleprompter.
This campaign is completely hilarious.
Good grief
[youtube=425,350]Vbg6hF0nShQ[/youtube]
OMFG
How can anyone see this shit and want to vote for this person? HOW?
Oh yeah, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow baby.
One of my good friends thinks this was a good move on McCain's part and that he continues to be a "beacon of hope for America." I think we'll just stop talking politics and be friends. ::)
McCain's meltdown was so severe that it unfroze my account
It's amazing, though. Everything she says is rehearsed, and hey, that might work... as long as no one pushes for a different angle, or even just for some clarification. Which, you know, happens quite often in real life. It's nearly incomprehensibly screwed up that this woman is actually, seriously, a candidate for Vice President of the United States.
It's amazing, though. Everything she says is rehearsed, and hey, that might work... as long as no one pushes for a different angle, or even just for some clarification. Which, you know, happens quite often in real life. It's nearly incomprehensibly screwed up that this woman is actually, seriously, a candidate for Vice President of the United States.
A source just sent us a copy of the working draft of the bailout plan circulating, as of about two hours ago, in the House.*http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/tpmmuckraker_exclusive_house_d.php
Based on our quick look, it includes a strong provision for congressional oversight, limits executive pay, and would allow bankruptcy judges to adjust mortgages in order to help homeowners, among other items. In other words, the major Democratic priorities.
Things have been changing so quickly on the Hill -- even before McCain's dramatic announcement -- that there's no telling what's occurred in the intervening period.
The source, who's a well-connected Democratic lobbyist, added in an email to TPMmuckraker that "the deal on the "bail out" is 98 percent done. Treasury has capitulated on almost every point. A draft is circulating on the Hill now. No one needs McCain to help do the remaining 2 percent."
Late Update: As we should have mentioned earlier, the draft plan also contains a provision designed to "maximiz[e] taxpayer benefits" by requiring that the Treasury "obtain warrants" (i.e. stock futures) if it makes a direct purchase of a company. That's intended to ensure that taxpayers get a share of any future profits, and it's another element Democrats have been insisting on.
*Ed. Note: A well-placed Hill source subsequently tells us that this version has actually been circulating for a couple of days, and that while it's still mostly operative, it is not the latest iteration of the alternative to the Bush plan.
Good grief
[youtube=425,350]Vbg6hF0nShQ[/youtube]
OMFG
How can anyone see this shit and want to vote for this person? HOW?
Oh yeah, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow baby.
To recap: McCain is a lying scumbag, Bush ruins yet another business he's involved in, Palin knows as much about running the country as Kittonwy.
OMFG
How can anyone see this shit and want to vote for this person? HOW?
Oh yeah, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow baby.
One of the people in that interview is an intelligent, informed, competent woman with a grasp on the issues
and one is a candidate for Vice President of the United States :(
You know what I love?
Our economy is being saved from falling into a great depression not by Bush. Not by McCain. Not by Obama. But most of all by Barney Frank. Barney Frank is THE key person who has the power to get this through or not which determines the fate of our economy.
I wonder how many religious right folks from the south realize that a GAAAAAAY man is the person whose fate this country has rested on the past few days.
I would love to see their reaction to finding this out. Barney Frank ftw.
Good grief
[youtube=425,350]Vbg6hF0nShQ[/youtube]
OMFG
How can anyone see this shit and want to vote for this person? HOW?
Oh yeah, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow baby.
:bow energy expertise :bow2
I'd hate to walk into tinfoil hat territory but I've heard that soldiers are being recalled in October due to the financial crisis to prevent domestic problems?
Sounds like BS but you never know.
I haven't seen Letterman in years. Tuned in tonight.I wouldn't be surprised if Letterman spends the remainder of the election ragging on McCain. He looked visibly pissed.
I wonder if Letterman will be getting a Christmas card from McCain this year.
some americans are really embracing the ridiculously apocalyptic vision -- they are actively against the bailout, and want a "reset" of america with them on top and the "eggheads" humbled, and a return to good ol' agrarian/biblical values. the "soldiers recalled to fight at home" is pure eschatological fantasy.
We could make a fort
Don't know if this is old, it was posted on my facebook today:
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I'd hate to walk into tinfoil hat territory but I've heard that soldiers are being recalled in October due to the financial crisis to prevent domestic problems?
Sounds like BS but you never know.
I couldn't even get through the 2 min mark on the Couric/Palin interview. I felt really uncomfortable watching her. Boom goes the dynamite.
I couldn't even get through the 2 min mark on the Couric/Palin interview. I felt really uncomfortable watching her. Boom goes the dynamite.
Maybe if we riot enough they'll get to use that awesome heat ray. That'd be badass.
Patel:
Yep. When you can tell a joke that relies on the audience already thinking Palin is a lightweight and they react to it, you know her character has been established.
It's like references to Gore being a liar in 2000, but not wrong and infuriating.
http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/35321150/navy-releases-mccains-records
It is quite possible that McCain killed more Americans in the Vietnam war than Vietnamese. smh
http://rockcreekfreepress.tumblr.com/post/35321150/navy-releases-mccains-records
It is quite possible that McCain killed more Americans in the Vietnam war than Vietnamese. smh
That's not true. The placement of the planes makes it impossible for him to have caused the fire with a wet start; the back of McCain's plane was facing out to sea, on the opposite side of the deck from the plane that fired the rocket due to an electrical malfunction.
I'd hate to walk into tinfoil hat territory but I've heard that soldiers are being recalled in October due to the financial crisis to prevent domestic problems?
Now that the financial meltdown is real I hope you guys apologize to me. I warned all of you douche bags last fall about this but you guys had your head so far up your asses you couldn't hear anything.QuoteI'd hate to walk into tinfoil hat territory but I've heard that soldiers are being recalled in October due to the financial crisis to prevent domestic problems?
Awesome! Martial Law. I cant wait to see you assholes spin this around.
b-b-b-but conspiracy.
Fuck! You distinguished effete fellows will never learn anything. Have fun when the army is patrolling your street.
Now that the financial meltdown is real I hope you guys apologize to me. I warned all of you douche bags last fall about this but you guys had your head so far up your asses you couldn't hear anything.QuoteI'd hate to walk into tinfoil hat territory but I've heard that soldiers are being recalled in October due to the financial crisis to prevent domestic problems?
Awesome! Martial Law. I cant wait to see you assholes spin this around.
b-b-b-but conspiracy.
Fuck! You distinguished effete fellows will never learn anything. Have fun when the army is patrolling your street.
Voters fell for it:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110668/Gallup-Daily-Race-Back-Tie-46-Each.aspx
They are now tied.
This update covers interviewing conducted Monday through Wednesday, and as such includes one night after McCain's announcement that he was suspending election campaigning and flying to Washington to help seek a bipartisan solution to the financial crisis. A night by night analysis of interviewing results, however, does not suggest that McCain had a dramatically better night against Obama on Wednesday. Instead, the data show that McCain has been doing slightly better for the last three days than he had in the previous week, and with some strong Obama days falling off of the rolling average, the race has moved to its current tied position.
Hey distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, you do realize that the one person who bears the most responsibility for this mess that we're in right now was Alan Greenspan, noted disciple of shitbag douchenugget Ayn Rand, right?
Voters fell for it:
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110668/Gallup-Daily-Race-Back-Tie-46-Each.aspx
They are now tied.
Hey distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, you do realize that the one person who bears the most responsibility for this mess that we're in right now was Alan Greenspan, noted disciple of shitbag douchenugget Ayn Rand, right?
Alan Greenspan may have been a fan of her but practiced none of her philosophy.
:piss greenspan :piss2
The Venus Embrace commercial between MSNBC online videos kinda reminds me why this race is so close:
"My razor has like 3 or 4 blades, so I gotta get 5"
wtf does that mean?!!??!?
You really know nothing, don't you? He had the ability to regulate the mortgage industry as Chair of the Fed but didn't think it was appropriate to fuck with the market. Who does that sound like to you, distinguished mentally-challenged fellow?
Seriously, how do you remember how to breathe?
Yeah, like, none of this Letterman and general McCain nonsense has caught on with the public. I think most laymen think he did an upstanding thing by suspending his campaign, actually.
Yeah, like, none of this Letterman and general McCain nonsense has caught on with the public. I think most laymen think he did an upstanding thing by suspending his campaign, actually.
Yeah, like, none of this Letterman and general McCain nonsense has caught on with the public. I think most laymen think he did an upstanding thing by suspending his campaign, actually.
As someone else said, this nation will get the President it deserves. It's just a shame for the rest of the world, who has no say in this, that this particular nation still has such international influence as to make it everybody's problem.
Yeah, like, none of this Letterman and general McCain nonsense has caught on with the public. I think most laymen think he did an upstanding thing by suspending his campaign, actually.
As someone else said, this nation will get the President it deserves. It's just a shame for the rest of the world, who has no say in this, that this particular nation still has such international influence as to make it everybody's problem.
He did it!! OMFG MacCain fixed the economy!!!!! A deal has been reached in the bailout.
I wonder what excuse they will use for Palin to no-show next week
FoC, get that Ron Paul shit out of here. Do you want me to make you another shitheap thread? Cause I will, but you're NOT derailing threads that have fuck all to do with Ron Paul and shitty Libertopian thinking when it was that sort of dumbness that CAUSED this fucking debacle.
FoC, get that Ron Paul shit out of here. Do you want me to make you another shitheap thread? Cause I will, but you're NOT derailing threads that have fuck all to do with Ron Paul and shitty Libertopian thinking when it was that sort of dumbness that CAUSED this fucking debacle.
FoC, get that Ron Paul shit out of here. Do you want me to make you another shitheap thread? Cause I will, but you're NOT derailing threads that have fuck all to do with Ron Paul and shitty Libertopian thinking when it was that sort of dumbness that CAUSED this fucking debacle.
deregulation? yea, libertarians seem like deregulatory folks to me
Kind of an unusual source but the housing failures, which are causing this mess today, have been known since January 2002:
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/9-us-faces-national-housing-crisis/
Actually, parts of that Ron Paul article have merit and register with me, as I've had some of the same thoughts.
I couldn't even get through the 2 min mark on the Couric/Palin interview. I felt really uncomfortable watching her. Boom goes the dynamite.the last 10 seconds are the best.
seems like the deal fell through
Obama debates himself tomorrow :lol
But, CNBC’s John Harwood reports, GOP senators may be ready to sign on to the end product. Tennessee's Lamar Alexander tells Harwood that at least 40 of the 49 Republican senators are prepared to agree to the package.from First Read
McCain's first choices to be his running mate were former Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania and Senator Joe Lieberman, the Democrat-turned-Independent from Connecticut, and former vice presidential nominee of his former party. Neither passed the ideological litmus test of the Republican-Right -- "The Base" -- because each holds pro-choice views. Certainly both are qualified to step into the presidency in terms of national security credentials -- regardless of whether one agrees with their particular politics -- in the event of the death of the president. McCain's "Hail Mary" pick -- Palin -- was hastily decided on the next-to-last day of the Democratic convention, by which time it was evident that Obama's convention was winning over independent voters; all that remained was the final night and the opportunity for Obama to deliver a speech that would further work to his advantage, and debilitate the McCain campaign. Only by exciting "The Base" could McCain remain competitive and win, it was calculated.
The issue of Palin's relative ignorance about international affairs and the larger world beyond America's shores (compared to previous vice presidential nominees), her attendant arrogance in seeming to revel in it, and McCain's decision to subject the country to it in choosing a possible president -- is the biggest question in this election, or perhaps ought to be. It goes to the core of who the John McCain of this campaign is.
Another conservative commentator, David Brooks, wrote last week: "Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."
I no longer have a grasp of reality.
1. McCain supports de-regulation for 26 years in the senate, seeking advice from Phil Gramm for much of that time
2. McCain runs for president during economic crisis, claims he is now for regulation - ala "calling out" Fannie/Freddie 2 years ago
3. Economic crisis demands action: McCain returns to Washington to set things right
4. Democrats and republicans reach a deal before he arrives
5. McCain arrives, torpedoes deal with his own plan: more de-regulation and tax breaks for the rich
I'm baffled. I don't know what to say.
I no longer have a grasp of reality.
1. McCain supports de-regulation for 26 years in the senate, seeking advice from Phil Gramm for much of that time
2. McCain runs for president during economic crisis, claims he is now for regulation - ala "calling out" Fannie/Freddie 2 years ago
3. Economic crisis demands action: McCain returns to Washington to set things right
4. Democrats and republicans reach a deal before he arrives
5. McCain arrives, torpedoes deal with his own plan: more de-regulation and tax breaks for the rich
I'm baffled. I don't know what to say.
Interesting EDITORIAL
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-bernstein/the-palin-pick----the-dev_b_129373.html
Much of what is referenced in it or said by the author it falls in-line wit how I feel, which is why I link it:QuoteMcCain's first choices to be his running mate were former Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania and Senator Joe Lieberman, the Democrat-turned-Independent from Connecticut, and former vice presidential nominee of his former party. Neither passed the ideological litmus test of the Republican-Right -- "The Base" -- because each holds pro-choice views. Certainly both are qualified to step into the presidency in terms of national security credentials -- regardless of whether one agrees with their particular politics -- in the event of the death of the president. McCain's "Hail Mary" pick -- Palin -- was hastily decided on the next-to-last day of the Democratic convention, by which time it was evident that Obama's convention was winning over independent voters; all that remained was the final night and the opportunity for Obama to deliver a speech that would further work to his advantage, and debilitate the McCain campaign. Only by exciting "The Base" could McCain remain competitive and win, it was calculated.QuoteThe issue of Palin's relative ignorance about international affairs and the larger world beyond America's shores (compared to previous vice presidential nominees), her attendant arrogance in seeming to revel in it, and McCain's decision to subject the country to it in choosing a possible president -- is the biggest question in this election, or perhaps ought to be. It goes to the core of who the John McCain of this campaign is.
Another conservative commentator, David Brooks, wrote last week: "Sarah Palin has many virtues. If you wanted someone to destroy a corrupt establishment, she'd be your woman. But the constructive act of governance is another matter. She has not been engaged in national issues, does not have a repertoire of historic patterns and, like President Bush, she seems to compensate for her lack of experience with brashness and excessive decisiveness."
CBS News reports that McCain's alternative proposal includes "fewer regulations and corporate tax breaks
I do call shennigans on his "80% poll tomorrow that says americans want the bailout", most polls show americans just dont know much about the bailout and are wary.
I do call shennigans on his "80% poll tomorrow that says americans want the bailout", most polls show americans just dont know much about the bailout and are wary.
wah - who said that?
John McCain's campaign put out an extraordinary memo just now, denouncing a proposal that, by all accounts, was supported by all parties but the House Republicans, promising to return tomorrow, and casting the debate in serious doubt.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Says the memo from press secretary Brian Rogers:
"Despite today's news reports, there never existed a "deal," but merely a proposal offered by a small, select group of Members of Congress. As of right now, there exists only a series of principles, including greater oversight and measures to address CEO pay. However, these principles do not enjoy a consensus in Congress."
The memo -- after the jump -- also denounces "the plan that has been put forth by the Administration."
Speaking of McCain:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Fox_host_tells_guest_mentioning_Keating_0925.html
QuoteJohn McCain's campaign put out an extraordinary memo just now, denouncing a proposal that, by all accounts, was supported by all parties but the House Republicans, promising to return tomorrow, and casting the debate in serious doubt.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Says the memo from press secretary Brian Rogers:
"Despite today's news reports, there never existed a "deal," but merely a proposal offered by a small, select group of Members of Congress. As of right now, there exists only a series of principles, including greater oversight and measures to address CEO pay. However, these principles do not enjoy a consensus in Congress."
The memo -- after the jump -- also denounces "the plan that has been put forth by the Administration."
He's putting all the chips on the table. This is Game Over for him or Obama.
Speaking of McCain:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Fox_host_tells_guest_mentioning_Keating_0925.html
How in the holy hell can ANYONE watch that clip and not think that is total bullshit? Kudos to that guy for actually trying to bring it up on FOX....I haven't heard one word on any other news show about McCains involvement in the Keating 5 scandal.
Many Bothans died to bring McCain back to Washington.
Bergala called McCain a high-functioning moron on CNN.
Bergala called McCain a high-functioning moron on CNN.
Damn, missed that.
Bergala called McCain a high-functioning moron on CNN.
Damn, missed that.
He called Bush a high functioning moron, actually.
So, are you guys looking forward to the collapse of the America economy tomorrow? I think we should try and figure out how many points the dow will fall. I've got 700 in the pool!Nah they'll shut it down before that. I'm betting 500.
Great Depression Part Deux
So, are you guys looking forward to the collapse of the America economy tomorrow? I think we should try and figure out how many points the dow will fall. I've got 700 in the pool!
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try explaining that to the dipshit voters squawking about how they don't wanna "bail out their idiot neighbors"
seriously, this national schadenfreude is appalling
In the Roosevelt Room after the session, the Treasury secretary, Henry M. Paulson Jr., literally bent down on one knee as he pleaded with Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker, not to “blow it up” by withdrawing her party’s support for the package over what Ms. Pelosi derided as a Republican betrayal.
“I didn’t know you were Catholic,” Ms. Pelosi said, a wry reference to Mr. Paulson’s kneeling, according to someone who observed the exchange. She went on: “It’s not me blowing this up, it’s the Republicans.”
Mr. Paulson sighed. “I know. I know.”
kos is almost always off his rocker. at some point, the far left becomes indistinguishable from the far right: they're just angry zealots demanding a national "reset".
i do kinda enjoy the reprieve from the squealing diatribes of internet free market evangelists, now that they've temporarily gone into hiding
My increasing theory is that this is all about Palin - that she is so incoherently awful beyond our imagination that even a single debate will tank the entire campaign.
Where have I seen this before?
Republicans cut taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Recovery_Tax_Act_of_1981) and deregulate financial institutions. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_Loan_crisis)
Things go bad. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_1980s_recession) They go bad in a way that will last (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobless_recovery). The fiscal situation is pretty dire. (http://www.eriposte.com/economy/indicators/bush_deficit_graphic.gif)
A Democrat is elected, hoping to invest funds into infrastructure (http://www.newsweek.com/id/119436) and a revamped healthcare system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Clinton_health_care_plan). Instead, the crisis forces him to take unpopular belt-tightening measures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993) including raising taxes.
Finally, the Republicans successfully run against (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_1994) the unpopular remedy to the mess they created in the first place.
Where have I seen this before?
Republicans cut taxes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_Recovery_Tax_Act_of_1981) and deregulate financial institutions. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savings_and_Loan_crisis)
Things go bad. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late_1980s_recession) They go bad in a way that will last (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobless_recovery). The fiscal situation is pretty dire. (http://www.eriposte.com/economy/indicators/bush_deficit_graphic.gif)
A Democrat is elected, hoping to invest funds into infrastructure (http://www.newsweek.com/id/119436) and a revamped healthcare system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_Clinton_health_care_plan). Instead, the crisis forces him to take unpopular belt-tightening measures (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnibus_Budget_Reconciliation_Act_of_1993) including raising taxes.
Finally, the Republicans successfully run against (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives_elections,_1994) the unpopular remedy to the mess they created in the first place.
Yup, yup, yup. Word-the-fuck-up. I've heard that we should never attribute to maliciousness that which can be explained by stupidity... but are they really that stupid?
If I were a betting man, I would not put money on Palin showing up to the VP debates. I don't know how they'll try to weasel out of it but it appears that a no-show is worth about $700 billion to them right now.
My bet? Bristol gets an abortion and they call it a miscarry, or the "first dude" gets a faked heart attack. They so desparately want to drag her hillbilly family back into the picture to improve her image.
kos is almost always off his rocker. at some point, the far left becomes indistinguishable from the far right: they're just angry zealots demanding a national "reset".
Quotekos is almost always off his rocker. at some point, the far left becomes indistinguishable from the far right: they're just angry zealots demanding a national "reset".
wrong! the real far left demands a global reset, and does not read or post to kos.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/TheNote/story?id=3105288&page=1 -- jesus christ what a political clusterfuck
Statement By McCain Campaign On Negotiations
John McCain’s decision to suspend his campaign was made in the hopes that politics could be set aside to address our economic crisis.
In response, Americans saw a familiar spectacle in Washington. At a moment of crisis that threatened the economic security of American families, Washington played the blame game rather than work together to find a solution that would avert a collapse of financial markets without squandering hundreds of billions of taxpayers’ money to bailout bankers and brokers who bet their fortunes on unsafe lending practices.
Both parties in both houses of Congress and the administration needed to come together to find a solution that would deserve the trust of the American people. And while there were attempts to do that, much of yesterday was spent fighting over who would get the credit for a deal and who would get the blame for failure. There was no deal or offer yesterday that had a majority of support in Congress. There was no deal yesterday that included adequate protections for the taxpayers. It is not enough to cut deals behind closed doors and then try to force it on the rest of Congress — especially when it amounts to thousands of dollars for every American family.
The difference between Barack Obama and John McCain was apparent during the White House meeting yesterday where Barack Obama’s priority was political posturing in his opening monologue defending the package as it stands. John McCain listened to all sides so he could help focus the debate on finding a bipartisan resolution that is in the interest of taxpayers and homeowners. The Democratic interests stood together in opposition to an agreement that would accommodate additional taxpayer protections.
Senator McCain has spent the morning talking to members of the Administration, members of the Senate, and members of the House. He is optimistic that there has been significant progress toward a bipartisan agreement now that there is a framework for all parties to be represented in negotiations, including Representative Blunt as a designated negotiator for House Republicans. The McCain campaign is resuming all activities and the Senator will travel to the debate this afternoon. Following the debate, he will return to Washington to ensure that all voices and interests are represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners.
Statement By McCain Campaign On Negotiations
John McCain’s decision to suspend his campaign was made in the hopes that politics could be set aside to address our economic crisis.
In response, Americans saw a familiar spectacle in Washington. At a moment of crisis that threatened the economic security of American families, Washington played the blame game rather than work together to find a solution that would avert a collapse of financial markets without squandering hundreds of billions of taxpayers’ money to bailout bankers and brokers who bet their fortunes on unsafe lending practices.
Both parties in both houses of Congress and the administration needed to come together to find a solution that would deserve the trust of the American people. And while there were attempts to do that, much of yesterday was spent fighting over who would get the credit for a deal and who would get the blame for failure. There was no deal or offer yesterday that had a majority of support in Congress. There was no deal yesterday that included adequate protections for the taxpayers. It is not enough to cut deals behind closed doors and then try to force it on the rest of Congress — especially when it amounts to thousands of dollars for every American family.
The difference between Barack Obama and John McCain was apparent during the White House meeting yesterday where Barack Obama’s priority was political posturing in his opening monologue defending the package as it stands. John McCain listened to all sides so he could help focus the debate on finding a bipartisan resolution that is in the interest of taxpayers and homeowners. The Democratic interests stood together in opposition to an agreement that would accommodate additional taxpayer protections.
Senator McCain has spent the morning talking to members of the Administration, members of the Senate, and members of the House. He is optimistic that there has been significant progress toward a bipartisan agreement now that there is a framework for all parties to be represented in negotiations, including Representative Blunt as a designated negotiator for House Republicans. The McCain campaign is resuming all activities and the Senator will travel to the debate this afternoon. Following the debate, he will return to Washington to ensure that all voices and interests are represented in the final agreement, especially those of taxpayers and homeowners.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=MDZiMDhjYTU1NmI5Y2MwZjg2MWNiMWMyYTUxZDkwNTE= -- argument that palin should bow out
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/jon-stewart-bush-bailout_n_129588.html -- clip from daily show - bush bailout speech = bush iraq speech
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/9/26/105843/780 -- haha McCain wins debate that hasnt happened yet!
I think Letterman did the nation a service by showing that feed.
This whole economic meltdown is blowing up in McCain's face.
"They were pretty aggravated," a CBS News source told The Post.
"But they were not about to start a fight with Letterman," the source said. "We're in the middle of a heavy, heavy news cycle and Letterman is Letterman.
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
McCain is going to the debate because he has the upper hand, debate wise. He will corner Obama and make him admit he is in favor of the pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-Wall Street, anti-Main Street bailout bill.
Beaten by four posts :'(
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
McCain is going to the debate because he has the upper hand, debate wise. He will corner Obama and make him admit he is in favor of the pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-Wall Street, anti-Main Street bailout bill.
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
McCain is going to the debate because he has the upper hand, debate wise. He will corner Obama and make him admit he is in favor of the pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-Wall Street, anti-Main Street bailout bill.
Obama needs to counter with "Ok, what is YOUR pro-Main Street plan?"
but we NEED more regulation and more taxation of the rich :(
but we NEED more regulation and more taxation of the rich :(
Yes we do.
I can't stand my friends who are so against Obama mainly due to the taxation issue. My wife and I make more than they and their spouses make combined. NONE OF US MAKE ENOUGH TO BE FAVORED BY MCCAIN'S INANE PLAN!!!
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
McCain is going to the debate because he has the upper hand, debate wise. He will corner Obama and make him admit he is in favor of the pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-Wall Street, anti-Main Street bailout bill.
McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless"
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
McCain is going to the debate because he has the upper hand, debate wise. He will corner Obama and make him admit he is in favor of the pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-Wall Street, anti-Main Street bailout bill.
I don't think things are going to play out like that. All Obama has to do is point out that what McCain and the house GOP want is more of what got us in this mess in the first place. "You don't cure an alcoholic by taking him back to the bar."
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
McCain is going to the debate because he has the upper hand, debate wise. He will corner Obama and make him admit he is in favor of the pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-Wall Street, anti-Main Street bailout bill.
I don't think things are going to play out like that. All Obama has to do is point out that what McCain and the house GOP want is more of what got us in this mess in the first place. "You don't cure an alcoholic by taking him back to the bar."
McCain Camp insiders say Palin "clueless"
Capitol Hill sources are telling me that senior McCain people are more than concerned about Palin. The campaign has held a mock debate and a mock press conference; both are being described as "disastrous." One senior McCain aide was quoted as saying, "What are we going to do?" The McCain people want to move this first debate to some later, undetermined date, possibly never. People on the inside are saying the Alaska Governor is "clueless."
The GOP will be trying desperately to get the Dems to cancel the VP debate. They will try to push it back, water the content down, and make it seem like a huge nuisance to get Palin to debate.
It'll go back to a tie. I now have no faith in American people anymore. CNN's iReporters bitching about OMG TAXES BU BU BU made me terrified. McCain's gonna emerge from this as the hero. Fuck me in the ass.
McCain is going to the debate because he has the upper hand, debate wise. He will corner Obama and make him admit he is in favor of the pro-regulation, pro-tax, pro-Wall Street, anti-Main Street bailout bill.
I don't think things are going to play out like that. All Obama has to do is point out that what McCain and the house GOP want is more of what got us in this mess in the first place. "You don't cure an alcoholic by taking him back to the bar."
That will be a tough sell. McCain could say, "Well, it wasn't until the Democrats controlled Congress when all this happened." That during the GOP led Congresses, the economy did well. During the Democrat's time, economic difficulty.
I really wish 80% of the links you post weren't blocked at work. :(
McCain's campaign since August has been nothing but Hail Mary after Hail Mary. I could easily see them try to throw a wrench in the VP debate in the last minute. I don't see how they could fuck it up but McCain didn't pull his act until just a couple days before the debate tonight. Honestly, a Palin no-show would pan out better than Palin attending it.
Welcome to Dumbmerica
Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee said Thursday that Sen. John McCain made a "huge mistake" by even discussing canceling the presidential debate with Sen. Barack Obama.
Huckabee said Thursday in Mobile that the people need to hear both candidates. He said that’s "far better than heading to Washington" to huddle with senators.
Huckabee said he still backs McCain’s candidacy, but said the Arizona senator should not have put his campaign on hold to deal with the financial crisis on Wall Street. He said a president must be prepared to "deal with the unexpected."
"You can’t just say, ‘World stop for a moment. I’m going to cancel everything,"‘ Huckabee said.
WASHINGTON - Republican John McCain agreed to attend the first presidential debate Friday night even though Congress doesn't have a bailout deal, reversing an earlier decision to delay the event until Washington had taken action to address the crisis.
You know, disregarding Huck's batshit insane religious opinions, he's not that bad of a guy. I hate him less.
This is a very common sentiment towards the Huckster. Very genuine guy who seems to play politics pretty straight and honest. Too bad about him being kinda batshit insane with his religious views.
Funny tidbit for the Seattle Shat-pack: apparently your Republican candidate for Gov. (I think his name is Rossi or something) is trying to get on the ballot without an "R" or "Republican" next to his name, but the amusingly titled "GOP Party" next to him instead. Since "GOP" stands for "Grand Old Party" I guess he wants people to know that he's TOTALLY ready to throw down. It couldn't possibly be that he wants you to think he's not a "Republican" in a year they're about as popular as pedos, no sir!
WASHINGTON— In a blatant show of disgust and indifference toward her senatorial duties, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-NY) repeatedly yelled "boring" from her seat Wednesday, interrupting New Mexico senator Jeff Bingaman's speech in support of S. 3125, a bill that would extend certain expiring provisions of the Internal Tax Revenue Code of 1986.
Clinton's declaration of boredom and the various iterations that followed—including shouts of "Bored," "I'm bored," "This is stupid," "This is boring," and "Oh my God, I'm so bored"—were not reportedly targeted at one person in particular but at the entire assembly. According to those senators present, Clinton delivered her unprompted remarks while she slouched in her chair, rested her head atop the back of her seat, and fixed her eyes on the Senate Chamber's ceiling.
"Shut up," a visibly exasperated Clinton said in a forceful monotone when Sen. Bingaman attempted to resume his speech. "Shut up. Shut up. Shut up."
"Stop being boring," Clinton added. "Why can't we do something fun for a change, like run for president?"
Despite suggestions from nearby legislators that she keep her voice down, Clinton once again interrupted Bingaman before the conclusion of his speech when she began a slow, exaggerated clap for her colleague in an apparent attempt to get him to leave the podium. When Bingaman tried to speak above the clapping, Clinton addressed him with pointed sarcasm, saying, "Great speech, Jeff. Just great. Really brought the house down."
Clinton then reportedly asked the senator seated next to her, "How long do these things go?" and spent the next 45 minutes slowly rubbing her temples.
Although her fellow lawmakers admitted they were startled by Clinton's most recent outburst, they were not surprised. The disruption, one senator said, follows a pattern of rude behavior that began in June, when Clinton returned to the Senate after a narrow loss in the Democratic primaries.
During the first meeting she attended following her crushing defeat, Clinton greeted the 99 other senators by loudly declaring, "Ugh, kill me now." She then made what could be described as a "Yap, yap, yap" gesture with her right hand during the entirety of Sen. Harry Reid's (D-NV) introduction of bill S. 3268, an amendment to the Commodity Exchange Act.
Perhaps the most egregious example of Clinton's misbehavior, according to congressional records, came in July when the former presidential contender twirled her right index finger and stated "Whoop-de-doo" when Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-MA) appeared on the Senate floor for the first time since undergoing surgery for brain cancer.
"We understand that Sen. Clinton is going through a difficult adjustment right now," Reid told reporters. "But at some point she is going to have to stop blurting out 'sucks' after each person's name is called during roll."
Reid went on to confirm reports that Clinton has taken to arriving an hour late to all meetings, most often wearing pajama bottoms and an oversized Late Show With David Letterman T-shirt.
However, many of Clinton's fellow senators said they do not mind her tardiness, noting that she is actually more of a disturbance when she arrives on time. One anonymous Wisconsin senator told reporters that Clinton has been known to deliver a sustained, audible sigh while President Pro Tempore Robert Byrd calls the meeting to order; frequently votes by letting out an extended belch; repeats the title of every bill in a high-pitched, mocking tone; and, once, after her disruptions caused the former first lady to be escorted out of the Capitol, raised both middle fingers in the air and proposed that the entire Senate go fuck itself.
"Yesterday I spoke to [Clinton] about the reauthorization of the Higher Education Act, a bill she used to be very passionate about," Sen. Tom Harkin (D-IA) said. "She pretended to fall asleep while I was speaking, started fake snoring, woke up, and said, 'I'm sorry, Tom, were you saying something?'"
"She's worse than Kerry was in 2004," added Harkin, referring to Sen. John Kerry (D-MA), who, after his loss in the presidential election, spent the remainder of the congressional year seated in the back of the chamber, trying to master "Rocky Raccoon" on his guitar.
Despite receiving several verbal warnings, Clinton has shown no signs of amending her behavior. As chair of the Subcommittee on Superfund and Environmental Health, the senator is expected to resume her duties tomorrow by banging a gavel in front of a silent audience for approximately 10 straight minutes and leaving for lunch.
What the fuck? I get my cock out and the first 50 seconds of the video is some dude.
Funny tidbit for the Seattle Shat-pack: apparently your Republican candidate for Gov. (I think his name is Rossi or something) is trying to get on the ballot without an "R" or "Republican" next to his name, but the amusingly titled "GOP Party" next to him instead. Since "GOP" stands for "Grand Old Party" I guess he wants people to know that he's TOTALLY ready to throw down. It couldn't possibly be that he wants you to think he's not a "Republican" in a year they're about as popular as pedos, no sir!
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/14015.html -- lawlz
But if the Democrats and the White House were ready for a game of “ganging up on Boehner” – as the minority leader said later – McCain didn’t play along.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4837644.ece -- McCain camp wants to use Bristol wedding for teh POLITICS
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/palin-claimed-dinosaurs-a_n_130012.html - Palin claims dinosaurs and people lived together 6,000 years ago, smhWhy wouldn't she believe that humans and dinosaurs coexisted when she's on a ticket with one.
Debates proved twinkle trumps facts
by ANDREW HALCRO
Published: September 27th, 2008 11:18 PM
Last Modified: September 27th, 2008 11:47 PM
When he faces off against Sarah Palin on Thursday night, Joe Biden will have his hands full. After debating Palin at more than two dozen forums and debates during the 2006 gubernatorial campaign, I'll offer some advice to both candidates.
Palin's debate style is simple: She's a master, not of facts, figures or insightful policy recommendations, but at the fine art of the non-answer, the glittering generality. Against such charms there is little Sen. Biden or anyone can do.
On paper, of course, the debate appears to be a mismatch.
In 2006, Palin was running to be the governor of Alaska, while Biden was serving his 34th year as a United States senator. While Palin was offering up as few specifics as possible, Biden was talking specifically about his five-point plan he authored with Leslie H. Gelb, president emeritus of the Council on Foreign Relations, about how a post-war Iraq should look.
On both domestic and foreign policy, the difference in experience is like the difference between shooting a bullet and throwing a bullet. Unfortunately for Biden, if history is any measuring stick, experience or a grasp of the issues won't matter when it comes to debating Palin.
On April 17, 2006, Palin and I attended a debate in Fairbanks at the University of Alaska on agricultural issues. The next day, the Fairbanks Daily News Miner published this excerpt:
"Andrew Halcro, a declared Independent candidate from Anchorage, came armed with statistics on agricultural productivity. Sarah Palin, a Republican from Wasilla, said the Matanuska Valley provides a positive example for other communities interested in agriculture to study."
On April 18, 2006, Palin and I sat together in a hotel coffee shop comparing campaign trail notes. As we talked about the debates, Palin made a comment that highlights the phenomenon that Biden is up against.
"Andrew, I watch you at these debates with no notes, no papers and yet when asked questions you spout off facts, figures and policies and I'm amazed. But then I look out into the audience and I ask myself, 'Does any of this really matter?' " Palin said.
While public policy wonks might cringe, the fact was that Sarah Palin was simply vocalizing her biggest campaign strength without realizing it. During the campaign, from January to November, Palin's message on important public policy issues never evolved -- because it didn't have to. Her ability to fill the debate halls with her presence and her gift of the glittering generality made it possible for her to rely on populism instead of policy.
In one debate, a moderator asked the candidates to name a bill the Legislature had recently passed that we didn't like. I named one. Democratic candidate Tony Knowles named one. But Palin used her allotted time to criticize the unpopular incumbent governor, Frank Murkowski. Asked to name a bill we did like, the same pattern emerged: Palin didn't name a bill.
And when she does answer the actual question asked, she has the canny ability to connect with the audience on a personal level. For example, asked to name a major issue that had been ignored during the campaign, I mentioned the health of Alaska communities, Mr. Knowles talked about affordable health care, and Palin talked about the need to protect hunting and fishing rights.
So what should the strategy be for both candidates?
Since the McCain campaign demanded changes in the debate rules to include shorter question and answer times and limited interaction between the two candidates to prevent any free flowing discussions, Biden needs to simply ignore Palin on stage and answer the questions as if he were the only one there. Any attempt to flex policy knowledge to show Palin is not ready for prime time will inevitably cast him in the role as the bully.
On the other side of the stage, Palin simply needs to do what she's always done best during debates: fill the room with her presence and stick to scripted sound bites. With limited interaction, thus less chance of going off message, Palin can definitely hold her own.
Andrew Halcro is a former Republican legislator who ran for governor in 2006 as an Independent. He hosts a radio show on 650 KENI and you can read his political blog at www.andrewhalcro.com.
Some Democrats who are growing wary with what they see as Bill Clinton's tepid support for Barack Obama weren't likely relieved by the former president's appearance this Sunday on Meet the Press.
Clinton offered some praise for the man hoping to fill his former chair in the Oval Office, but much of it was admiration for Obama's political acumen and not his character. "I know he saw and imagined the way this thing could develop this political year and this economic situation, in a way that has left him in a position of leadership he is now," Clinton said.
At one point, host Tom Brokaw asked, "Would you use the same words for Obama that you have used for Senator McCain, that you admire him and that you think he's a great man?"
Clinton seemed caught off-guard and responded, "Well, I don't -- look, I had my first conversation with him in my entire life in Harlem," a reference to a lunch the two had in mid-September. Clinton followed by stating that he "certainly admire(s)" Obama, but that while the Illinois Democrat has "unlimited potential," he could only achieve greatness in time.
At one point in the interview, Clinton acknowledged that it was his wife, Hillary, who "told me to go help (Obama)." And while Bill Clinton criticized John McCain for representing a brand of politics that he disagreed with, he offered a far more adulatory take on the Arizona Republican's personality traits.
"Most people would have been broken by what he been through, or we would have been happy just to give him an atta boy and medal and let him wander through life," said Clinton. "I think his greatness is that he keeps trying to come back to service without ever asking people to cut him any slack or feel sorry for him or any of that stuff because he was a P.O.W."
come back to service without ever asking people to cut him any slack or feel sorry for him or any of that stuff because he was a P.O.W.
The Palin defense: Biden is a gaffe machine!
Seeing a cariacture of a hapless Sarah Palin develop, McCain supporters are responding by not so much defending her as pointing out that Joe Biden makes lots of mistakes, too.
After showing the clip of Palin struggling to explain to Katie Couric the importance of Alaska's proximity to Russia, Fox News Sunday's Chris Wallace asked of Lindsey Graham this morning: "What the heck was she talking about?
Graham, one of McCain's top allies in the Senate, quickly shifted focus to the other number two.
"But the truth is Joe [Biden] has said some things about FDR being on T.V.," Graham noted seizing on one of the Delaware senator's more recent gaffes. "He's right. These are human beings. She'll get better. She's very talented at what she's been asked to do in the past. She's been a really good governor."
Graham than sought to focus again on Biden before Wallace brought the subject back to Palin.
"She's going to have to show she's a valuable part of this team, that she's capable of the job, that she shares John's philosophy," Graham conceded.
But again, he used the Biden comparison, saying Palin shouldn't be judged only for the Couric debacle.
"If we're not going to judge Joe by one sound bite in one interview, which is fair to Joe, and we're not going to take a mistake that he's made and say that that's a death-defying blow, let's don't do it for her."
Joe Pounder, in the McCain Morning Update email to reporters, offered a similar tactic.
"If there was a 'Saturday Night Live' primary last night, Joe Biden lost because he wasn’t even mentioned despite some notable mistakes this week," Pounder wrote.
SNL, for the second time in three weeks, mocked Palin as being clueless.
Im not sure Palins non-answers will work much longer, the couric interview was pretty damning and people did not respond well to her non-answers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/28/axelrod-schmidt-clash-on_n_130026.html -- today's meet the press
Palin takes questions during cheesesteak run
Posted: 09:00 AM ET
From CNN Political Producer Peter Hamby
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The governor got a more serious interrogation moments later when Temple graduate student Michael Rovito approached her to inquire about Pakistan.
"How about the Pakistan situation?," asked Rovito, who said he was not a Palin supporter. "What's your thoughts about that?"
"In Pakistan?," she asked, looking surprised.
"What's going on over there, like Waziristan?"
"It's working with [Pakistani president] Zardari to make sure that we're all working together to stop the guys from coming in over the border," she told him. "And we'll go from there."
Rovito wasn't finished. "Waziristan is blowing up!," he said.
"Yeah it is," Palin said, "and the economy there is blowing up too."
"So we do cross border, like from Afghanistan to Pakistan you think?," Rovito asked.
"If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin responded, before moving on to greet other voters.
WASHINGTON - Republican presidential nominee John McCain defended running mate Sarah Palin on Sunday, even as she contradicted his policy against talking publicly about attacking terrorist targets in Pakistan.
McCain chided Democrat Barack Obama during Friday's presidential debate for saying publicly he supports striking terrorist targets inside Pakistan if the Pakistani government is unable or unwilling to do so.
Osama bin Laden and other top al-Qaida leaders are thought to be hiding in tribal areas along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. Obama has said he would support sending American troops into Pakistan to attack such high-value targets.
"You don't say that out loud," McCain said during the debate. "If you have to do things, you do things."
But on Saturday, Palin said much the same thing to a customer at a Philadelphia restaurant, with the press nearby.
"If that's what we have to do stop the terrorists from coming any further in, absolutely, we should," Palin said in the exchange, which was captured on video and reported by CBS News.
Palin, the governor of Alaska, energized McCain's campaign when he chose her as a running mate just before the Republican convention. But polls show Palin's popularity waning among some as she has struggled to answer questions about foreign policy in the few interviews she has granted to journalists.
"She was in a conversation with some young man," McCain said during his own interview Sunday on ABC's "This Week." "She understands and has stated repeatedly that we're not going to do anything except in America's national security interest and we are not going to, quote, announce it ahead of time."
McCain said Palin's exchange was not an official policy statement.
"I don't think most Americans think that that's a definitive policy statement made by Governor Palin," McCain said.
The gift that keeps on giving: more embarassing Couric-Palin footage to air Weds-Thurs. (http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/09/cbs_to_air_more_footage_of_cou.php)He watches Palin with the volume on mute.
I for one can't wait.
But something has been bothering me lately. I miss my right leaning buddy, siamesedreamer. The one who fell in love with that spunky gal from Alaska back a month or so ago. I wonder what he thinks these days, or if he's just barricaded himself into a closet and is crying or something. I would have liked to have his input on the genius House GOP "plan" in response to the financial meltdown we're in. You know, the one that would have been like treating alcoholics by putting them in charge of a brewery instead of rehab.
Come back to us, siamesedreamer.
Appearing with John McCain on Monday, Gov. Sarah Palin said she was looking forward to debating Sen. Joe Biden.
"So I guess it's my turn now, and I do look forward to Thursday night. ... I'm looking forward to meeting him, too. I never met him, but I've been hearing about his Senate speeches since I was in, like, second grade," she joked at a rally in Columbus, Ohio.
Zing! :lol
Appearing with John McCain on Monday, Gov. Sarah Palin said she was looking forward to debating Sen. Joe Biden.
"So I guess it's my turn now, and I do look forward to Thursday night. ... I'm looking forward to meeting him, too. I never met him, but I've been hearing about his Senate speeches since I was in, like, second grade," she joked at a rally in Columbus, Ohio.
Zing! :lol
Unaired Couric interview material shows Palin cannot name a single Supreme Court case ruling other than Roe v. Wade. :lol
Unaired Couric interview material shows Palin cannot name a single Supreme Court case ruling other than Roe v. Wade. :lol
Unaired Couric interview material shows Palin cannot name a single Supreme Court case ruling other than Roe v. Wade. :lol
Are you joking? Link!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/mccain-camp-blames-obama_n_130359.html
Unaired Couric interview material shows Palin cannot name a single Supreme Court case ruling other than Roe v. Wade. :lol
Are you joking? Link!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/latest-palin-gaffe-cant-n_n_130395.html
Ignorance is strength.
Unaired Couric interview material shows Palin cannot name a single Supreme Court case ruling other than Roe v. Wade. :lol
Unaired Couric interview material shows Palin cannot name a single Supreme Court case ruling other than Roe v. Wade. :lol
Unaired Couric interview material shows Palin cannot name a single Supreme Court case ruling other than Roe v. Wade. :lol
I love how he spent most of last week trying to act like he was putting aside politics for the plan while being careful to avoid putting his name on the plan, then over the weekend he decided it was safe to put his name all over it, just in time for it to buttfuck him :lol
Why isn't McCain's campaign still suspended? The bill didn't win!!!
:lol @ Olbermann tonight
"Why weren't you wearing the flag pin? Where was the flag pin??" *blank stare*
http://palinquotes.sillycloud.com/
http://palinquotes.sillycloud.com/
Thats great
http://palinquotes.sillycloud.com/
That's "Gotcha Voterism"
IS THAT A PIZZA PLACE?
John McCain and Sarah Palin gave their first joint interview to Katie Couric of CBS News. Couric asked Palin to respond to the fact that she seemed to contradict McCain on the issue of cross-border attacks in Pakistan, and that her position was almost identical to Obama's. Palin did not directly address the question, and McCain and Palin both blamed the gaffe on "gotcha" journalism. Couric rightly noted that it wasn't "gotcha" journalism as the question came from a voter.
couric and brokaw have been owning this week.
I hope McCain suspends his campaign again! It worked so well the first time. Do you think he'll chaperone Palin to the VP debate?
I think he'll probably manage to screw up negotiations Thursday to the point where the VP debate can't possibly take place while the economy is in such peril. Um, still.
This would be more reassuring if Palin had demonstrated more evidence of having read extensively about history or world affairs. Asked in an interview for PBS's Charlie Rose show last year ( http://www.charlierose.com/guests/sarah-palin (http://www.charlierose.com/guests/sarah-palin)) about her favorite authors, Palin cited C.S. Lewis -- "very, very deep" -- and Dr. George Sheehan, a now-deceased writer for Runner's World magazine whose columns Palin still keeps on hand.
Very inspiring and very motivating," she said. "He was an athlete and I think so much of what you learn in athletics about competition and healthy living that he was really able to encapsulate, has stayed with me all these years."
Also, she got a Garfield desk calendar for Christmas 1987 that made a big impression.
wait
20 years ago she got a Garfield desk calendar
and that's in the top 3 things she's read ever?
really? REALLY?
I'm about as rational satanist as they come and I've read several CS Lewis books for pleasure
I can't wait until the stupid ass photoshops of Palin's head on Garfield to plague the internet.
"FOCUSDED"
haha oh fox news.
"FOCUSDED"
haha oh fox news.
:lol
when's the debate tonight? is there going to be a live stream?
Every time Palin opens her mouth it's :lol :lol :lol followed by ??? :o :'(
[youtube=425,350]9go38MgZ4w8[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9go38MgZ4w8
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Man paints nude painting of Palin, uses daughter as model (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/chi-talk-naked-sarahsep30,0,4944201.story)
:pimp :pimp :pimp
Palin outdoes Bush by making all political satirists obsolete.I think one of the techniques of humor is to take something true and exaggerate it. But there's no exaggerating Palin's stupidity.
Looking for a Sarah Palin lookalike for an adult film to be shot in next 10 days.
Major adult studio.
Please send pix, stats etc. ASAP
Pay: $2000-3000
No anal required
how much are they paying for Todd Palin lookalikesI don't think so.
how much are they paying for Todd Palin lookalikes
538.com is a lot more left leaning than the other projection sites. As much as I want to believe Obama would get that many electoral votes, I think they're always 10-20 votes more generous.
did everyone here see the Des Moines interview with McCain?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-gets-testy-with-de_n_130801.html
he's seething. and constantly telling awful, horrible lies to the interviewer's confused faces.
the VP debates are another 2-3 point swing in Obama's favor - this campaign hasn't even entered it's dirty tricks, "I can't believe they did that" phase. I fully expect "Obama is a Muslim" 538s by mid-October.
did everyone here see the Des Moines interview with McCain?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-gets-testy-with-de_n_130801.html
he's seething. and constantly telling awful, horrible lies to the interviewer's confused faces.
the VP debates are another 2-3 point swing in Obama's favor - this campaign hasn't even entered it's dirty tricks, "I can't believe they did that" phase. I fully expect "Obama is a Muslim" 538s by mid-October.
I enjoyed a nice heaping of schadenfreude with lunch today, browsing the Rapture Ready politics boards. The dude that ended his incoherent, bitter post with "LORD JESUS, TAKE ME NOW" made me laugh.Rapture Ready has a SMH smiley and we don't (http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/patrickula/tsk.gif)
Unless the Rezko October surprise thingie is true, it seems like the right might have run out of relevant bullshit to throw.
Unless the Rezko October surprise thingie is true, it seems like the right might have run out of relevant bullshit to throw.
What's Rezko?
I enjoyed a nice heaping of schadenfreude with lunch today, browsing the Rapture Ready politics boards. The dude that ended his incoherent, bitter post with "LORD JESUS, TAKE ME NOW" made me laugh.Rapture Ready has a SMH smiley and we don't (http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/patrickula/tsk.gif)
More McCain Nonsense:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/01/mccain-ad-biden-thinks-me_n_130980.html
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what drohne said. if she doesn't combust -- and she probably won't -- the media will probably flatter her performance as they did with junior.
what drohne said. if she doesn't combust -- and she probably won't -- the media will probably flatter her performance as they did with junior.i think this is the likely outcome
nah medias dumb, they'll applaud her for dumb reasons like 'she really held her own' or some shit. Who cares if she says anything that isnt just a mish mash of politicsI'm care, and I'm not the only one. It has become a mockery to the fabric of America that this person can fake it, rather shittily to boot, and millions upon millions eat that shit up. They are the new breed.
nah medias dumb, they'll applaud her for dumb reasons like 'she really held her own' or some shit. Who cares if she says anything that isnt just a mish mash of politicsI'm care, and I'm not the only one. It has become a mockery to the fabric of America that this person can fake it, rather shittily to boot, and millions upon millions eat that shit up. They are the new breed.
Neosheep.
If you can't stump Couric in an interview you can't stump anybody in anything
Couric did a good job of asking follow up questions but everything changes in a debate. She won't be able to just say "Imma have to get back with you on that Gwen!" And if she even dares to take on Biden she's gonna get smashed; I bet part of their strategy is to troll Biden into saying something demeaning.
American's gave Palin the benefit of the doubt, they liked her, they defended her from the media, etc. But now money is on the line, and people don't want to give the keys of the country to a dumbass again. I seriously seriously doubt she'll be able to get away with a bad (think Bush 04) performance simply by using identity politics/stories/etc.
Are they going to encourage cross-talk like in the Presidential debate?Th repubs have asked this not happen.
When is this debate again?
Letterman had a nice McCain pro-environment ad tonight.
Something to the effect of (adlibbing everything but the end)...
We have to make tough decisions and sacrifices in order to protect our planet. We have to cut back on our use of energy. To do your part, John McCain is asking for everyone to turn off their televisions tomorrow night from 9 to 10:30.
"My name is John McCain and I endorse this message."
When is this debate again?
Thursday, 9:00 PM EST
Letterman had a nice McCain pro-environment ad tonight.that can't be real. i refuse to believe even mccain's campaign is that embarrassing
Something to the effect of (adlibbing everything but the end)...
We have to make tough decisions and sacrifices in order to protect our planet. We have to cut back on our use of energy. To do your part, John McCain is asking for everyone to turn off their televisions tomorrow night from 9 to 10:30.
"My name is John McCain and I endorse this message."
Letterman had a nice McCain pro-environment ad tonight.that can't be real. i refuse to believe even mccain's campaign is that embarrassing
Something to the effect of (adlibbing everything but the end)...
We have to make tough decisions and sacrifices in order to protect our planet. We have to cut back on our use of energy. To do your part, John McCain is asking for everyone to turn off their televisions tomorrow night from 9 to 10:30.
"My name is John McCain and I endorse this message."
Letterman had a nice McCain pro-environment ad tonight.Priceless :lol :lol
Something to the effect of (adlibbing everything but the end)...
We have to make tough decisions and sacrifices in order to protect our planet. We have to cut back on our use of energy. To do your part, John McCain is asking for everyone to turn off their televisions tomorrow night from 9 to 10:30.
"My name is John McCain and I endorse this message."
don't want my head to explode.
I expect Palin to do relatively well. Which will leave most everyone disappointed, because who doesn't like some high comedy in the political arena?
The Alaska Governor also said that 85 percent of small businesses would be adversely affected by Obama's tax plans, and added it is "scary that Sen. Biden has not grasped" the need for a comprehensive energy policy, which Palin said should include offshore drilling.
And Democratic nominee Barack Obama was irresponsible, though, to not get involved in bailout negotiations, Palin said. "John McCain was leading this charge toward a bipartisan effort that could help support Wall Street," the Republican vice presidential candidate said, "but Barack Obama was phoning it in."
Palin reiterated claims that Obama had voted against funding for troops in Iraq, calling him reckless and irresponsible. "It's beyond naive, it's downright dangerous to think that those were Obama's positions," Palin said.
"Americans, as individuals, we have to start changing our habits also, and start incurring less debt," Palin said, adding that Americans should take more personal responsibility in managing their own finances.
don't want my head to explode.
aw, u sure baby? :-*
If Palin fails, the election is 100% over. If she does amazing McCain may have a chance. If both do average then I say Obama wins due to being ahead already.
TONIGHT THE ELECTION IS DETERMINED I SAY.
Can you paraphrase or do you habe a transcript? On my BlackBerry here.
Can you paraphrase or do you habe a transcript? On my BlackBerry here.
Can you paraphrase or do you habe a transcript? On my BlackBerry here.
Intro by Cafferty: There's a reason Palin has been hidden from the press. (roll Couric tape on the bailout)
Cafferty: Did you get that? If John McCain wins this woman will be one 72 year old's heartbeat away from being President of the United States. And if that doesn't scare the hell out of you it should. I'm 65 and ahve been covering politics for a long time, that is one of the most pathetic pieces of tape I have ever seen for someone aspiring to one of the highest offices in this country. That's all I have to say.
Blitzer: Yea well she's cramming a lot of information --
Cafferty: There's no excuse for that, she's supposed to know a little bit of this. Don't make excuses for this.
Blitzer: THat was not her best answer... I agree with you on that
The media has been shitty leaning right to appear objective since they got swatted on the butt at RNC
I'm starting to agree with Palin's policies. We really need to shore up our economy so that our health care reforms accompany tax reductions for the middle class so that people can afford groceries for tax breaks or else we won't be able to capitalize on the expanding trade sector. If she is so wonderful and so blessed to have the wonderful and blessed opportunity to take office then she will be able to implement tax reforms because The Maverick is determined to pass economic reforms that will ultimately form an umbrella over the American economy and create jobs to help the working class Americans.
this is why jews and blacks don't get along
John McCain is pulling out of Michigan, according to two Republicans, a stunning move a month away from Election Day that indicates the difficulty Republicans are having in finding blue states to put in play.http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/McCain_pulling_out_of_Michigan.html?showall
McCain will go off TV in Michigan, stop dropping mail there and send most of his staff to more competitive states, including Wisconsin, Ohio and Florida. Wisconsin went for Kerry in 2004, Ohio and Florida for Bush.
McCain's campaign didn't immediately respond to a request for comment.
Republicans had been bullish on Michigan, hopeful that McCain's past success in the state in the 2000 primary combined with voter dissatisfaction with Democratic Gov. Jennifer Granholm and skepticism among blue-collar voters about Barack Obama could make it competitive.
McCain and his running mate Sarah Palin spent the night after the GOP convention at a large rally in Macomb County, just outside Detroit. The two returned later last month for another sizable event in Grand Rapids.
But recent polls there have shown Obama extending what had been a small lead, with the economic crisis damaging an already sagging GOP brand in a state whose economy is in tatters.
A McCain event planned for next week in Plymouth, Michiigan, has been canceled.
:bow Washtenaw County :bow2
:bow Wayne County :bow2
McCain is pulling really desperate shit in Iowa. Yesterday, the college GOP tried to rally supporters. They had a big posterboard that said "Hitler's Holocaust" with a liberated concentration camp. Then below it, it said "Obama's Holocaust" and it had a wide variety of pictures of dead fetuses. It was offensive but it was funny, considering that they have to resort to this to whip up GOP support. Nobody paid attention to them and just kept walking.
I think the only reason why he remains in Iowa is that it has been a swing state for the past decade. However, the state is solidly Obama territory.
I think McCain's new areas to visit will be Florida, Ohio, Indiana, Nevada, and North Carolina. Maybe Colorado. I could see them go either way.
yea. Your wife isn't in Michigan?
if he's bailing out of Michigan he might as well bail out of the race.
Whoa in Ann Arbor? That's interesting. I would think Ann Arbor is far too much of a liberal/intellectual oasis for McCain to even try to siphon democrats. That makes no fucking sense - AA is religiously liberal lol. Trying to trick former Clinton voters into joining the McCain camp may work on Macomb County or some blue collar county, but not there
Is your wife on the fence?
I lol'ed (http://)Is this a metaphor for the "Bridge to Nowhere?"
I'm putting my hands up for Detroit now. Fedde Le Grand would be proud.
So when does thismassacredebate start?
don't get yer hopes up, i'm anticipating a populist-declared victory for mayor mooseburger
don't get yer hopes up, i'm anticipating a populist-declared victory for mayor mooseburger
fuckkkkkkk idiots are going to eat her up. She's being cute.
Bridge to nowherethat was coldblooded :lol
Palin is already starting to crack a bit. She's starting to wander around in what she is saying.
Where can I watch this online?????
omg she can't talk about homosexuality without getting visibly flustered :rofl
Palin is taking some REALLY passive aggressive cheap shots
How can Biden love John but not support civil gay marriage?
Kill her Biden!!!Yup, he's going to rip her head off and shit down her neck like Duke Nukem...
why does he keep referring to himself in the third person?It'll win The Rock's vote, jabroni. >:(
That won't win you the simple people Biden.
Biden sweating...
BIDEN SMASH.Biden sweating...
He's powering up.
SUNNY IS ON, FUCKING DEBATES!
John who knows how to win a war, who's been there...in a pow camp winning the war. In a pow camp.
Sarah Palin and her team of Mavericks
John who knows how to win a war, who's been there...in a pow camp winning the war. In a pow camp.
You guys won in Vietnam?
I'm watching this on TV. How has the CNN lines been going? More to Palin or to Biden?
I'm watching this on TV. How has the CNN lines been going? More to Palin or to Biden?
I'm watching this on TV. How has the CNN lines been going? More to Palin or to Biden?
Biden attacking Cheney
Biden makes emotional appeal
Biden makes emotional appeal
and it dipped when he did.
did biden have a face lift? The ends of his eyebrows are attached to his high forehead.I think he used the temporary skin tightening thing.
I'd like to quasi-cave in her fucking skull.
did biden have a face lift? The ends of his eyebrows are attached to his high forehead.I think he used the temporary skin tightening thing.
I'd love to hate fuck her
Far too much Palin praise. I got to study for a test. When I wake up, I better hope that tomorrow, everyone admits that Biden won it.
Did I fall into some sort of worm hole? Am I in some other dimension? How in the world can their be this much positivity surrounding Palin following that performance?
Ridiculous.
i feel kinda bad for viz though because he'll still be stuck with her after this is over:lol
Palin did better with men the women. Jesus Christ, was everyone beating off?
What's your real greatest weakness? "Don't have one!"
Palin's fake bolted on smile reminds me of a telemarketer. Can't believe so many Americans put "charisma" over knowledge and intelligence. SMH
:usacry
ouch the small towneness hurts my ears.
Recorded the debate but haven't seen it yet.
Evilbore, I demand summaries!
Recorded the debate but haven't seen it yet.
Evilbore, I demand summaries!
Recorded the debate but haven't seen it yet.
Evilbore, I demand summaries!
I will say, having seen this tonight, but never really following him before he joined Obama, I think pretty highly of him.
I've been to Israel twice, I bet I know more about the region than she does.
Embassy in Jerusalem? You dumb bitch, have you been to Israel? No, you haven't. That would be one of the dumbest things you could possibly do in the region.
I've been to Israel twice, I bet I know more about the region than she does.
My two cents on this is that Palin did enough to make the people already voting for the McCain/Palin ticket feel better about their choice. She didn't make any huge mistakes and she stuck to the script well. She certainly came off better here than in the interviews, although I don't think the format of the debate allowed her to be pressed hard enough, oddly enough.
At least he called her on the maverick crap though. A bit late, but I assume his outburst came from genuine frustration.
At least he called her on the maverick crap though. A bit late, but I assume his outburst came from genuine frustration.
I was pretty impressed with that.
I was also pretty impressed with how he almost started crying. Then I thought better of that.
At least he called her on the maverick crap though. A bit late, but I assume his outburst came from genuine frustration.
I was pretty impressed with that.
I was also pretty impressed with how he almost started crying. Then I thought better of that.
Yeah, I wasn't sure how honest that was. Then again, good acting is another necessary talent.
At least he called her on the maverick crap though. A bit late, but I assume his outburst came from genuine frustration.
I was pretty impressed with that.
I was also pretty impressed with how he almost started crying. Then I thought better of that.
Yeah, I wasn't sure how honest that was. Then again, good acting is another necessary talent.
His wife and daughter were killed in a car crash. I don't think that's something I could ever get over.
That was definitely real. It really seemed like he was having flashbacks or something
IIRC, at one point in the debate Palin referred to Biden's wife, but I can't remember the exchange. What was it?
I love how Palin slammed the Democrats for being so concerned with the past, but then mentioned how she and McCain will use lessons they've learned from the past to bring about change. ::)
The recording cut off before the debate had ended, right before the closing arguments. She didn't bring up the maverick again, did she?
Did anyone else feel like hurling when Palin try to bring up some good vs evil shit? GTFO with that fairy tales shit.
Did you see the part where Biden railed against the "McCain is a maverick" talking point right before the end? I don't recall if Palin specifically used the term in her closing statement, but I think Biden effectively nuked it with his rebuke.
Again, it doesn't matter. Palin played to the base well, but I think (and the early polls are showing) that Biden appealed to more independents/undecideds.
I believe he was really getting choked up but really such things are unnecessary to the debate. If people think it's fake then you're manipulative, if they think it real then as a man you're seen as weak.
The recording cut off before the debate had ended, right before the closing arguments. She didn't bring up the maverick again, did she?
I believe he was really getting choked up but really such things are unnecessary to the debate. If people think it's fake then you're manipulative, if they think it real then as a man you're seen as weak.
Why don't any of these moderators actually moderate? This is absurd. Say whatever you want please - don't answer the questions!
The recording cut off before the debate had ended, right before the closing arguments. She didn't bring up the maverick again, did she?
Holy fuck dude, WATCH HER CLOSING STATEMENT. It makes absolutely no sense, it's her worst moment by far.
Why don't any of these moderators actually moderate? This is absurd. Say whatever you want please - don't answer the questions!
Why don't any of these moderators actually moderate? This is absurd. Say whatever you want please - don't answer the questions!
It's crazy, it really is. Although she tried a few times, she was nowhere near as insistent and persistent as she should have been. I'd prefer a conversation and debate that wasn't moderated, but if they are going to have a moderator, then have them be moderators.The recording cut off before the debate had ended, right before the closing arguments. She didn't bring up the maverick again, did she?
Holy fuck dude, WATCH HER CLOSING STATEMENT. It makes absolutely no sense, it's her worst moment by far.
Is it available online somewhere?
It's not like she could say shit - the right would have leapt all over her if she actually tried to needle Palin.
I believe the moderators hands are largely tied since the format of the debate and what is allowed and not allowed is negotiated by lawyers for the respective camps.
Insert duckman2000 "US Politics sucks" tirade in next post.
I dunno. CNN is reairing it right now though, it'll be on again in 40 minutes.
I dunno. CNN is reairing it right now though, it'll be on again in 40 minutes.
Wolf Blitzer is nowhere near it, right?
I dunno. CNN is reairing it right now though, it'll be on again in 40 minutes.
Wolf Blitzer is nowhere near it, right?
He's in the post debate analysis, but the debate itself is the same feed as everywhere else. Except CNN has that whole audience tracker thing as well as the pundits' live scoring (for HDTV viewers).
We still don't get CNN HD in Seattle.
Stupid Comcast...
We still don't get CNN HD in Seattle.
Stupid Comcast...
It's the only HD news channel we get here in Greensboro, NC (Time Warner). But all you're missing here is republican pundits scoring Palin well and democratic pundits scoring Biden well, as per the usual.
I've finally figured out which TV character she reminds me of. "Karen," from Will & Grace.
That was definitely real. It really seemed like he was having flashbacks or something
Why don't any of these moderators actually moderate? This is absurd. Say whatever you want please - don't answer the questions!
Why don't any of these moderators actually moderate? This is absurd. Say whatever you want please - don't answer the questions!
Palin excelled....against low expectations. Why people cant be clear on that is beyond my understanding. She didnt answer almost all the questions, and even told the moderator that she wouldnt. Why kind of debate performance is that? Her closing statement was a garbled mess too. Jesus Experiment. Confidence cannot run a country, just cause she didnt bolt or mess stumble on words doesnt mean she did well. Past interviews clearly show she is comfortable presenting non-answers and lies, why is this getting her WOOHOOS from you just now?
Well, you know, we're mavericks! Who knows what we will disagree on! McCain Palin, the bipolar ticket.
I still don't quite get how they can use "maverick" as a decidedly positive term.
Anyone get bingo?One person watching at our place got bingo. I was close :-\
Anyone get bingo?One person watching at our place got bingo. I was close :-\
edit:
re:"maverick"
(http://i145.photobucket.com/albums/r231/patrickula/200px-Maverick_Chris_Bradley.jpg)
The way Palin ran the term right into the ground, and Biden destroyed it's usefulness with his rebuttal, I don't think we'll be hearing the word "maverick" that much anymore.
I hope.
i have no idea who that is, but it looks like it's a 90s liefeld characterLooks like it :lol
-159,000 jobs in SeptemberOf course this bad news would be released right after Palin's triumphant victory at last night's debate.
-760,000 for the year
Unemployment at 6.1%
"My name is John McCain and I approve these numbers."
-159,000 jobs in SeptemberOf course this bad news would be released right after Palin's triumphant victory at last night's debate.
-760,000 for the year
Unemployment at 6.1%
"My name is John McCain and I approve these numbers."
tsk tsk reality!
Obama said there were plenty of noteworthy moments in the Biden-Palin debate late Thursday, "but there's one that sticks out this morning."
"It's when Governor Palin said to Joe Biden that our plan to get our economy out of the ditch was somehow a job-killing plan. I wonder if she turned on the news this morning," he said.
"So when Senator McCain and his running mate talk about job-killing, that's something they know a thing or two about. Because the policies they've supported and are supporting are killing jobs in America every single day."
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/41792/original.jpg)
(http://images.huffingtonpost.com/gen/41792/original.jpg)
-159,000 jobs in September
-760,000 for the year
Unemployment at 6.1%
"My name is John McCain and I approve these numbers."
Why, hello there, folks! May I call you "folks"? I'll be your pilot today. What? Am I "qualified" to fly this jalopy? You betcha! Why? Because I'm a mom, that's why. No, I don't know what all these switches and handles and whatnot are. I don't CARE what they are, to tell ya the truth. The important thing is that I'm ready, I'm willing, and (wink) I'm eager as heck to get the job done! THAT'S what matters.
Doncha think? O-kay then. Here we go!
Whoops! Whew. That's a lotta noise. And just a teeny bit of fire back there. But what the heck, right? It's fuel, and energy happens to be my specialty.
What? Who's that fella yellin' over the radio? Air traffic control? Well, who the heck cares? No, honestly, really: Who cares? I sure as heck don't, and I don't think my passengers do either.
What's my heading? What's my heading? We're on the right track and we know where we want to go, that's for darn sure.
No, I'm not going to give you my "bearings," or whatever it is you call those little numbers. Look here, Buster, I might not answer those questions the way you or the other pilots might like. But you know what? I'm going to talk straight to my passengers here, without the filter of any darned air traffic controllers or FAA or whatever the heck you all are calling yourselves now.
I mean, how good can you all be at your jobs, anyhoo? There are just heck of a lot, I mean a HECK of a lot of plane crashes all the darn time. So real people like me and my passengers figure it's time for some fresh air in this whole flying business anyway.
What? What are you saying there in your fancy-dancy tower down there? We don't have towers like that on Main Street in Wasilla, buster, you can bet your life. Nope. Just a whole heck of a lot of common sense, which is all too rare in this world today, doncha think?
And don't you think that if I can handle a crying baby and ban a book and milk the federal government for all the pork my little town can hold then I can fly your darn little airplane, for crying out loud?
What? are you TALKING again? Saying that most crashes are due to pilot error? Like, because the pilot didn't KNOW stuff?
There you go again with your LOOKING BACK. We'd rather look FORWARD where I come from. But then, heck, I guess that's just the darned difference between you and us, isn't it? But you're a good talker, though. I'll give ya that.
Why aren't I changed my heading to zero-one-niner as instructed? Because I'm the mommy, that's why, Mr. Smarty-Pants. I think I've got enough sense to know when to turn a darn airplane.
What's that? Raise flaps? Raise FLAPS? Raise flaps or we'll CRASH? There you go again, raising the white flag of surrender just when we ....
..... [static] ...
Wait. Wait. Team, I think we found a couple survivors. They're in critical condition - looks like they'll need surgery right here at the crash site. But a routine depressurizing of the skull should save this guy's life. Can we get the neurosurgeon over here stat? Here she is. Thank God. We got the expert here just in time.
Oh, heck. Ouch. That's gotta hurt, right? No, I didn't go to any fancy-dancy medical school but I'm a Mom so believe-you-me I've seen a booboo or two in my day and if somebody around here just has a sharp thimgamajig we'll have you fixed up in a jiffy. Don' worry. This won't hurt a bit!
"Todd and I, we'd be happy to get to Michigan and walk through those plants of the car manufacturers," Palin said, referring to her husband. "We'd be so happy to get to speak to the people in Michigan who are hurting because the economy is hurting."
Palin acknowledged the GOP ticket's lackluster poll ratings in the state, but said: "I want to get back to Michigan and I want to try."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/palin;_ylt=Avne_3FbQ66GzCzfRtK6EDOs0NUE
The McCain camp didn't even bother telling Sarah Palin about pulling out of Michigan. She said she found out this morning reading one of those media outlets she probably can't name.
But wait, there's more.Quote"Todd and I, we'd be happy to get to Michigan and walk through those plants of the car manufacturers," Palin said, referring to her husband. "We'd be so happy to get to speak to the people in Michigan who are hurting because the economy is hurting."
Palin acknowledged the GOP ticket's lackluster poll ratings in the state, but said: "I want to get back to Michigan and I want to try."
Pull out of Michigan because you think you have no chance, or send Palin in and know you have no chance. Hmmm.
I don't put too much stock into polling but it is a pretty decent barometer of momentum. I don't see what McCain did exactly to deserve that minor bump. Is it just people are so tired of pro Obama coverage that they're automatically going to switch to the GOP?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/palin;_ylt=Avne_3FbQ66GzCzfRtK6EDOs0NUE
The McCain camp didn't even bother telling Sarah Palin about pulling out of Michigan. She said she found out this morning reading one of those media outlets she probably can't name.
But wait, there's more.Quote"Todd and I, we'd be happy to get to Michigan and walk through those plants of the car manufacturers," Palin said, referring to her husband. "We'd be so happy to get to speak to the people in Michigan who are hurting because the economy is hurting."
Palin acknowledged the GOP ticket's lackluster poll ratings in the state, but said: "I want to get back to Michigan and I want to try."
Pull out of Michigan because you think you have no chance, or send Palin in and know you have no chance. Hmmm.
I don't put too much stock into polling but it is a pretty decent barometer of momentum. I don't see what McCain did exactly to deserve that minor bump. Is it just people are so tired of pro Obama coverage that they're automatically going to switch to the GOP?
What bump are you talking about? The Minnesota outlier?
McCain will still win, because October is the Devil's month and people are back in love with Palin!
Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is accusing Democrat Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists" for his association with a former 1960s radical.http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h2TC1ztefVzOiXeCNcmY7lIelBNwD93JRMQ81
Palin was referring to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. The group took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol four decades ago.
In remarks to GOP donors in Englewood, Colo., on Saturday, Palin said Obama seems to see the U.S. as being so imperfect that, in her words, "he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."
Obama served on a charity board with Ayers in Chicago and has denounced his past activities.
And here we go!QuoteRepublican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin is accusing Democrat Barack Obama of "palling around with terrorists" for his association with a former 1960s radical.http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5h2TC1ztefVzOiXeCNcmY7lIelBNwD93JRMQ81
Palin was referring to Bill Ayers, one of the founders of the group the Weather Underground. The group took credit for bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol four decades ago.
In remarks to GOP donors in Englewood, Colo., on Saturday, Palin said Obama seems to see the U.S. as being so imperfect that, in her words, "he's palling around with terrorists who would target their own country."
Obama served on a charity board with Ayers in Chicago and has denounced his past activities.
The economy is the biggest issue of this election. September's job numbers were horrible across the board. All Obama has to do is continue hammering that, over and over again. McCain=Bush. I'd love for Obama to bring up the 2004 election where people were indeed fooled by personality politics and distractions: look what happened.
McCain has supported de-regulation for 26 years (I'd love for Obama to explain what that means at the town hall). Being a 10% Maverick is nothing to brag about.
i think, speaking very honestly: the bush 04 re election, all those debates, all teh tactics have really just changed my view of how the US world works. Whenever something amazing and improbable happens - like Obama being this close - this close - to the presidency, that 04 election creeps up at the corner of my eye.
Quotei think, speaking very honestly: the bush 04 re election, all those debates, all teh tactics have really just changed my view of how the US world works. Whenever something amazing and improbable happens - like Obama being this close - this close - to the presidency, that 04 election creeps up at the corner of my eye.
this year feels a lot different to me than 04, I'm pretty sure the dems will clean up. too bad the dems are worthless.
In its broad strokes, McCain's life story is oddly similar to that of the current occupant of the White House. John Sidney McCain III and George Walker Bush both represent the third generation of American dynasties. Both were born into positions of privilege against which they rebelled into mediocrity. Both developed an uncanny social intelligence that allowed them to skate by with a minimum of mental exertion. Both struggled with booze and loutish behavior. At each step, with the aid of their fathers' powerful friends, both failed upward. And both shed their skins as Episcopalian members of the Washington elite to build political careers as self-styled, ranch-inhabiting Westerners who pray to Jesus in their wives' evangelical churches.
In one vital respect, however, the comparison is deeply unfair to the current president: George W. Bush was a much better pilot.
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/make_believe_maverick_the_real_john_mccain
Looooong read, but good.
FUCKING OUCH.
Holy shit at him causing a blackout in spain. :lolNo wonder he hates it so much.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html)
Soooo... if Hilldawg got the nomination, what do you think the situation for the dems would have been like?
McCain's military record ranges from below average to disasterous (the Spain thing is not the worse part). His worst personal quality has to be his temper though.Holy shit at him causing a blackout in spain. :lolNo wonder he hates it so much.
at the end of a long day, McCain's wife, Cindy, mussed his receding hair and needled him playfully that he was "getting a little thin up there." McCain reportedly blew his top, cutting his wife down with the kind of language that had gotten him hauled into court as a high schooler: "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you cunt." Even though the incident was witnessed by three reporters, the McCain campaign denies it took place.I feel really bad for his wife, she was young and stupid when she married him and now she's stuck. That RS article made me realize that McCain is not just stupid and evil, but fucking insane as well.
That RS article made me realize that McCain is not just stupid and evil, but fucking insane as well.
I mean more reckless than stupid. Crashing a bunch of planes, getting in the bottom 2% of his class, and his "bad judgement" in the Keating 5 scandal were pretty common knowledge but this article makes it seem like he lost a few screws while sitting in Hanoi for 6 years. His colleagues seem to think the same.That RS article made me realize that McCain is not just stupid and evil, but fucking insane as well.
I don't think McCain is stupid; like Bush, he's just intellectually incurious. Palin, on the other hand, is both stupid and intellectually incurious.
He's the same person after Hanoi as before: reckless, impulsive, emotional, and egotistical.I mean more reckless than stupid. Crashing a bunch of planes, getting in the bottom 2% of his class, and his "bad judgement" in the Keating 5 scandal were pretty common knowledge but this article makes it seem like he lost a few screws while sitting in Hanoi for 6 years. His colleagues seem to think the same.That RS article made me realize that McCain is not just stupid and evil, but fucking insane as well.
I don't think McCain is stupid; like Bush, he's just intellectually incurious. Palin, on the other hand, is both stupid and intellectually incurious.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html)
Tina Fey does do a better Sarah Palin than Sarah Palin.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/04/tina-fey-as-sarah-palin-i_n_131964.html)
Check the #1 spot:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/02/david-letterman-top-ten-t_n_131125.html
(BURLINGAME, Calif.) — Sarah Palin defended her claim that Barack Obama "pals around with terrorists," saying the Democratic presidential nominee's association with a 1960s radical is an issue that is "fair to talk about."http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1847388,00.html
Palin, the Republican vice presidential candidate, launched the attack Saturday, repeating it at three different events and signaling a new strategy by John McCain's presidential campaign to go after Obama's character.
"The comments are about an association that has been known but hasn't been talked about," Palin said as she boarded her plane in Long Beach, Calif. "I think it's fair to talk about where Barack Obama kicked off his political career, in the guy's living room."
At issue is Obama's association with Bill Ayers, a founder of the radical Weather Underground group during the Vietnam era. Both have served on the same Chicago charity and live near each other. Ayers also held a meet-the-candidate event at his home for Obama when Obama first ran for office in the mid-1990s, the event cited by Palin.
But while Ayers and Obama are acquainted, the charge that they "pal around" is a stretch of any reading of the public record. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts. Obama was 8 years old at the time the Weather Underground claimed credit for numerous bombings and was blamed for a pipe bomb that killed a San Francisco policeman.
At a rally in North Carolina, Obama countered that McCain and his campaign "are gambling that he can distract you with smears rather than talk to you about substance." The Democrat described the criticism as "Swiftboat-style attacks on me," a reference to the unsubstantiated allegations about 2004 Democratic nominee John Kerry's decorated military record in Vietnam.
I think using Keating 5 directly sort of gives an opening for McCain's smears to have credibility. I think his surrogates should talk about it, the 527s should run ads with it, but Obama should stay above the fray. There's no reason for his campaign to go fight in the dirt when Obama has the high ground and McCAin is playing a card that has a 90% chance to backfire anyway.
Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) on Monday will launch a multimedia campaign to draw attention to the involvement of Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) in the “Keating Five” savings-and-loan scandal of 1989-91, which blemished McCain’s public image and set him on his course as a self-styled reformer.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14302.html
Pushing back against what it calls “guilt-by-association” tactics by McCain, the Obama campaign is e-mailing millions of supporters a link to a website, KeatingEconomics.com, that will have a 13-minute documentary on the scandal beginning at noon Eastern time on Monday. The overnight e-mails urge recipients to pass the link on to friends.
The Obama campaign, including its surrogates appearing on radio and television, will argue that the deregulatory fervor that caused massive, cascading savings-and-loan collapses in the last ‘80s was pursued by McCain throughout his career, and helped cause the current credit crisis.
Obama’s offensive comes after McCain’s running mate, Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, spent two days telling voters, donors and reporters that Obama showed poor judgment in his relationship with the former radical William Ayers.
McCain’s campaign has vowed to make a major issue of Obama’s Chicago relationships in coming days, with a senior McCain official telling Politico that they are “the vehicle that allows us to question Obama’s truthfulness about his past and his plans for the future.”
In 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee cleared McCain of corruption charges but cited him for “poor judgment” in meeting with federal regulators on behalf of Charles H. Keating Jr., a political patron who went to prison for fraud in connection with the collapse of the California-based Lincoln Savings and Loan Association, which at the time was one of the biggest financial failures in the nation’s history.
Obama-Biden communications director Dan Pfeiffer said: “While John McCain may want to turn the page on his erratic response to the current economic crisis, we think voters will find his involvement in a similar crisis to be particularly interesting. His involvement with Keating is a window into McCain’s economic past, present, and future.”
A trailer for the campaign-produced documentary features William K. Black, a former bank regulator who McCain met with in the Keating case, saying: “The Keating Five involved all the things that have brought the modern crisis. Senator McCain has not learned the lesson, and has continued to follow policies that are going to produce a disaster.”
The Obama website will have news clips, timelines and narratives explaining the scandal and McCain’s involvement for voters and reporters.
The Keating episode took a searing toll on the senator and his wife, Cindy. Robert Timberg, in his 1999 biography “John McCain: An American Odyssey,” writes that the trouble began with the senator “carelessly choosing his friends.”
“McCain had stumbled into a scandal of immense proportions,” Timberg wrote. “Charles Keating, it turned out, had built his financial empire on the life savings of elderly retirees, men and women who watched helplessly as their dreams were snuffed out along with the assets of Keating’s Lincoln Savings and Loan Association.
“The story was complicated, but the press found a tag line that simplified it. McCain and four other senators with ties to Keating were dubbed ‘the Keating Five.’ The label stuck, imputing to all the same degree of guilt even though it soon became evident that at least two, McCain and former astronaut John Glenn of Ohio, were far less culpable, if they were culpable at all.”
Rep. Rahm Emanuel (D-Ill.), a close Obama adviser who is the fourth-ranking House Democratic leader, brought up McCain’s association with Keating on CNN’s “Late Edition” on Sunday. “John McCain got admonished by the Senate Ethics Committee for that,” Emanuel said.
Politico has asked the McCain campaign for a response and will post it when it arrives.
I agree, but I'm curious as to why you think McCain's current smear strategy is a sure loss for him.
Shit just got real.
I'm interested in whether the Obama campaign (1) was always going to roll this out, (2) figured the financial crisis makes it potent and relevant where it wasn't before, or (3) held it until McCain launched the Ayers/Rezko/Wright attacks, in a game of MAD.
Either way I'm not sure what I think about this.
Shit just got real.
I'm interested in whether the Obama campaign (1) was always going to roll this out, (2) figured the financial crisis makes it potent and relevant where it wasn't before, or (3) held it until McCain launched the Ayers/Rezko/Wright attacks, in a game of MAD.
Either way I'm not sure what I think about this.
Why isn't the Obama campaign pushing the Palin secessionist thingggg
Why isn't the Obama campaign pushing the Palin secessionist thingggg
I don't just want Obama to win, I want him to actually get something done. I have a list of demands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJ_cT8anP20), damn it.
Why can't we?
wow low blow from mccain. dude must be furious at the keating 5 shit.
update: just watched it. :lol obama's taking the gloves off finally.
http://www.barackobama.com/images/keating/keatingeconomics.mov
My opponent has invited serious questioning by announcing a few weeks ago that he would quote — "take off the gloves." Since then, whenever I have questioned his policies or his record, he has called me a liar.
Rather than answer his critics, Senator Obama will try to distract youfrom noticing that he never answers the serious and legitimate
questions he has been asked. But let me reply in the plainest terms I know. I don't need lessons about telling the truth to American people. And were I ever to need any improvement in that regard, I probably wouldn't seek advice from a Chicago politician.
My opponent's touchiness every time he is questioned about his record should make us only more concerned. For a guy who's already authored two memoirs, he's not exactly an open book. It's as if somehow the usual rules don't apply, and where other candidates have to explain themselves and their records, Senator Obama seems to think he is above all that. Whatever the question, whatever the issue, there's always a back story with Senator Obama. All people want to know is: What has this man ever actually accomplished in government? What does he plan for America? In short: Who is the real Barack Obama? But ask such questions and all you get in response is another barrage of angry insults.
Our current economic crisis is a good case in point. What was his actual record in the years before the great economic crisis of our
lifetimes?
This crisis started in our housing market in the form of subprime loans that were pushed on people who could not afford them. Bad
mortgages were being backed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and it was only a matter of time before a contagion of unsustainable debt began to spread. This corruption was encouraged by Democrats in Congress, and abetted by Senator Obama.
Senator Obama has accused me of opposing regulation to avert this crisis. I guess he believes if a lie is big enough and repeated often
enough it will be believed. But the truth is I was the one who called at the time for tighter restrictions on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
that could have helped prevent this crisis from happening in the first place.
Senator Obama was silent on the regulation of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and his Democratic allies in Congress opposed every effort to rein them in. As recently as September of last year he said that subprime loans had been, quote, "a good idea." Well, Senator Obama,
that "good idea" has now plunged this country into the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. To hear him talk now, you'd think he'd always opposed the dangerous practices at these institutions. But there is absolutely nothing in his record to suggest he did. He was surely familiar with the people who were creating this problem. The executives of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac have advised him, and he has taken their money for his campaign. He has received more money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac than any other senator in history, with the exception of the chairman of the committee overseeing them. Did he ever talk to the executives
at Fannie and Freddie about these reckless loans? Did he ever discuss with them the stronger oversight I proposed? If Senator Obama is such a champion of financial regulation, why didn't he support these regulations that could have prevented this crisis in the first place?
He won't tell you, but you deserve an answer.
Who is the real Senator Obama? Is he the candidate who promises to cut middle class taxes, or the politician who voted to raise middle class taxes? Is he the candidate who talks about regulation or the politician who took money from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and turned a blind eye as they ran our economy into a ditch?
Is he the candidate who promises change, or is he the politician who has bought into everything that is wrong with Washington? We can't change the system with someone who's never fought the system.
Washington is on the wrong track and I'm going to set it right. The American people know my record. They know I am going to change
Washington, because I've done it before. They know I'm going to reform our broken institutions in Washington and on Wall Street because I've done it before. They know I'm going to deliver relief to the middle class, because that's what I've done.
Since then, whenever:rofl :rofl :rofl
I have questioned his policies or his record, he has called me a liar.
Quote from: McCainSince then, whenever:rofl :rofl :rofl
I have questioned his policies or his record, he has called me a liar.
Is he really insinuating that those lies were not lies?
mccain should avoid drinking scotch before writing his blog entries. he's worse than drunk evilborians posting new topics.Nah, I still respect the drunk posters.
Senator Obama is attempting to distract you from his unwillingness to answer tough questions.Obama is black
vvv
Senator Obama hopes you won't notice he's unwilling to answer tough questions.
12 words, your move
NEGRO!;) ;) *nudge *nudge
I win
Senator Obama is attempting to distract you from his unwillingness to answer tough questions.
vvv
Senator Obama hopes you won't notice he's unwilling to answer tough questions.
12 words, your move
Colorado 10/5, 1,000 LV 3%
Obama 51, McCain 45, Barr 1, Nader 1, McKinney 1
Florida 10/5, 1,000 LV 3%
Obama 52, McCain 45, Nader 1, Barr 0, McKinney 0
Missouri 10/5, 1,000 LV 3%
Obama 50, McCain 47, Barr 1, Nader 1, McKinney 0
Ohio 10/5, 1,000 LV 3%
McCain 48, Obama 47, Barr 1, Nader 1, McKinney 0
Virginia 10/5, 1,000 LV 3%
Obama 50, McCain 48, Barr 1, Nader 0, McKinney 0
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27057346#27057346
That shit was epic. :lol
oh shit :o
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/in-georgia-small-improvements-in-black.html
I just wonder about voter intimidation/suppression in places like Georgia. Will those votes be counted, absentee and otherwise?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27057346#27057346
That shit was epic. :lol
You know what kinda bring s a smile to my face? 538's color map has Texas as a shade of pink instead of a solid red.
:)
That's pretty awesome, tbh.
You know what kinda bring s a smile to my face? 538's color map has Texas as a shade of pink instead of a solid red.
:)
That's pretty awesome, tbh.
yeah, I found out that my Dallas suburb which went 90% plus for Bush in 00 and 04 is now 47 Obama, 45 McCain
McCain will still win the state, but seeds are being sown
You know what kinda bring s a smile to my face? 538's color map has Texas as a shade of pink instead of a solid red.
:)
That's pretty awesome, tbh.
yeah, I found out that my Dallas suburb which went 90% plus for Bush in 00 and 04 is now 47 Obama, 45 McCain
McCain will still win the state, but seeds are being sown
One of the most pivotal legislative debates in the next congress will be over immigration reform, and it's there that the House GOP will really be starting into the abyss. Do they embrace lenient, humane, and Democratic-sponsored legislation that will give amnesty to workers, enraging their xenophobic base? Or do they oppose and try to block it, likely ruining the party's standing even more with Hispanics for years and years to come?
Texas is probably only reliably Republican for another eight or twelve years at most, if all else remains equal after the current realignment in progress solidifies (it will be complete in 2010, barring some sort of unexpected GOP surge). After that it will be increasingly difficult for Republicans to hold.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/06/mccain-does-nothing-as-cr_n_132366.html
Worse, Palin's routine attacks on the media have begun to spill into ugliness. In Clearwater, arriving reporters were greeted with shouts and taunts by the crowd of about 3,000. Palin then went on to blame Katie Couric's questions for her "less-than-successful interview with kinda mainstream media." At that, Palin supporters turned on reporters in the press area, waving thunder sticks and shouting abuse. Others hurled obscenities at a camera crew. One Palin supporter shouted a racial epithet at an African American sound man for a network and told him, "Sit down, boy."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/fox-news-the-facts-are-no_n_132682.html
as a side note, I am absolutely terrified at the concept of Palin running for President in 2012; I only hope that should people become dissatisfied with Obama over four years, should he be elected, that Hillary swoop in and show us how to kick ass.
Yea, she really is on a blood path right now. Huck jabbed Romney on his religion but never really seemed to unleash any major attacks. I wonder how he'd be doing against Obama right now
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/fox-news-the-facts-are-no_n_132682.html
as a side note, I am absolutely terrified at the concept of Palin running for President in 2012; I only hope that should people become dissatisfied with Obama over four years, should he be elected, that Hillary swoop in and show us how to kick ass.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/cindy-mccain-obamas-waged_n_132751.html
Oh i better not watch the debate tonight, ill get so pissed listening to McCain pretend he's telling the truth about anything anymore.
What's tonight's debate about?mutually assured destruction (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/mccain-on-tuesday-preside_n_132653.html)
I dont get how its allowed at all to run a campaign on lies. There should be some governing body that just hits them on the face and tells them they cant run anymore.
From NBC/NJ's Matthew Berger
PENSACOLA, Fla. -- Palin chastized Obama for continuing to serve on charitable boards with William Ayers after he knew of Ayers’ ties to a domestic terrorist group.
Palin continued to question Obama's claims that was unaware of Ayers’ ties to Weather Underground, and criticized him for staying involved on charitable boardds with him after finding out.
“He didn’t know that until he did know? And then he continued to be in any way associated with that person?” Palin asked rhetorically. “The story keeps changing and the claims keep getting more and more curious.”
Obama’s advisors acknowledged the Democratic presidential candidate stayed on charitable boards after he learned of Ayers' past. The campaign had said Obama was unaware of Ayers' background when he became involved in Chicago politics.
Palin’s words received a strong reaction at the Civic Center, where the continuous strobe of camera flashes were striking in the darkened auditorium. At one point, as Palin delineated Obama’s comments on Ayers, a supporter yelled “We’re not stupid!”
Palin nearly repeated verbatim her comments from an earlier fundraiser in Jacksonville, when she defended McCain’s health-care plan and repudiated suggestions that it is a tax, or that McCain would threaten Social Security.
From NBC/NJ's Matthew E. Berger
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Palin said a McCain Administration would protect Social Security and not tax health care, while suggesting Obama was trying to scare senior citizen voters in Florida.
“We will protect the entitlement programs that Americans depend on -- above all Social Security,” she said at a fundraiser at Jacksonville Municipal Stadium. “No presidential election cycle is complete, though, so keep in mind, without the Democratic candidate coming down here to Florida especially and trying to stir up fear and panic on this issue of Social Security.”
Palin accused Obama of exploiting the health care and Social Security issues to win votes among seniors in Florida. “If you expect any better from a guy who promises to get rid of old-style politics, you’re in for a good warning there,” she said. “Because Barack Obama has exploited this issue and that’s the way that he works.”
Palin’s choice of venue for this message was odd, however. Despite the Florida address, she spoke predominantly to Baby Boomers and younger voters at the fundraiser, and the promises to “make health care more accessible and more affordable” did not garner applause.
Palin said Obama’s health-care plan “puts expensive mandates on small businesses” and said that would lead to unemployment and layoffs.
“Our health-care plan will give millions of middle class Americans access to better health-care coverage without costing you a dime,” she said, saying middle class families would receive a $5,000 tax credit to buy coverage.
Palin suggested the new lines were needed because of Obama’s advertising campaign -- which argued the McCain plan would tax health-care benefits -- and because McCain’s health-care message was not getting through in the media.
“Barack Obama is calling that a tax,” she said. “Now, there’s no tax; that’s changing health care for the better. He doesn’t understand that. I don’t know how he captures it and spins it to being a tax on Americans. No, it’s a credit.”
Palin lies
I was told by my mother that I'm socialist because I want to vote for Obama and he will revert this country to COMMUNISM.What does she say about the financial crisis and its origins in deregulation? Also, when was America COMMUNIST in the first place?
This resulted in me being called socialist over and over again, until she left in disgust.
AND GAF ATTACKS IN 3,2,1.
I just personally feel like Barack has supporters who would follow him blindly anywhere, its a joke. Off shore drilling must begin now, I hate his argument of it will take 10-20 years, so what when were completely fucked in 10-20 years we'll just be sitting here "good thing were not reaping the rewards of drilling in our own country". My main reason for supporting McCain, nuff said.
i read that, posted a three sentence response, then thought better of it.I bet it would have been fantastic. Don't hold back.
it wouldn't change anyone's mind, so it's pointless.
We study and search for another solution for ten years that might not come around either? I suppose both sides have good points but I'm so sick doing what all these countries want us to pay for oil, I'd much rather prefer we act now rather than later, I feel like McCain has a plan for this oil crisis as soon as he gets in office, Obama might but it could take longer or never come fruition.
GAF is like staying behind in a hurricane and occasionally opening the door to tell the hurricane to fuck off. Hurricane doesn't care.
i read that, posted a three sentence response, then thought better of it.I bet it would have been fantastic. Don't hold back.
it wouldn't change anyone's mind, so it's pointless.
This resulted in me being called socialist over and over again, until she left in disgust.
She also called you a drunk under her breath.
'nuff said indeed. 10 years of 4+ dollar gas only to depend on gas all over again later is much better than 10 years of 4+ dollar gas and breaking away from fossil fuels entirely.
Sweet!
Oil has dropped by over a 3rd but gas has dropped ~25%.
Imagine if Obama actually beat McCain tonight in either voter polls or pundit analysis. He would be so pissed. I'd hate to see what Schmidt would convience him to do then :/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/07/cindy-mccain-obamas-waged_n_132751.html
Oh i better not watch the debate tonight, ill get so pissed listening to McCain pretend he's telling the truth about anything anymore.
This is just another example of the simple-minded Republican "rightback at ya" tactic of taking any criticism launched at them and the next day accuse you of the exact same thing. The fact that their return criticism makes no sense doesn't matter. It's simply meant to infuriate and shift focus from their guilt back at their opponent. The try to make them waste their energy defending themselves against ridiculous charges. ." The correct response is to call them on it.:bow
Mrs. McCain, the old schoolyard retort "I'm rubber your glue. Whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you," was lame back then when we were school children. From a grown woman, it is truly pathetic. Just shut up, snort another line of coke and melt away into your meaningless, empty money poisoned life you soulless freak.
Yea, I really can't comprehend McCain being against killing Bin Laden.
The Obama Nation: Leftist Politics
:drudge
http://thepage.time.com/mccain-release-on-ayers/
jesus fucking christ :lol
:drudge
http://thepage.time.com/mccain-release-on-ayers/
jesus fucking christ :lol
:wtf What year is this? Can I just say that if McCain wins with this strategy, that will be the shame of this and a good part of last century?
Shamelessly ripped from gaf:
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:drudge
http://thepage.time.com/mccain-release-on-ayers/
jesus fucking christ :lol
the Reverend Baracknaphobia bin Hussein Terrobama has some questions to answer.
I thought it was absolutely ridiculous that Cindy McCain vilified Obama for voting against the troop funding bill - so did her husband two months later!
In an interview on ABC News, Sen. Barack Obama called Sen. John McCain's attempts to link him to 1960s anti-war radical Bill Ayers are an attempt to "score cheap political points."http://politicalwire.com/
Then he issued a challenge to his rival.
Said Obama: "I am surprised that, you know, we've been seeing some pretty over-the-top attacks coming out of the McCain campaign over the last several days, that he wasn't willing to say it to my face. But I guess we've got one last debate. So presumably, if he ends up feeling that he needs to, he will raise it during the debate."
Sily Willco, supporting Veterans isn't what matters when supporting the troops! What matters is that you're a Republican! Oh, and it also helps if you got yourself out of service and/or failed so badly at it that you crashed multiple plans. That's what it means to Support the Troops!
Support the troops, by not voting for the new GI Bill! It makes perfect sense! Giving these troops new benefits is just want the terrorists want!
As for the Ayers deal, how many Americans enjoying today's American culture would hand to their hearts honestly disagree with the positive ripple effects of radical actions taken decades ago? Of course, these people seem to believe that the answer to everything is in the past, which is just plain ridiculous. There is this really romantic and bananas fucked up idea of what the world and the nation was like 40-50 years ago.
But hey, on the other hand, people are publicly calling for people to lose their heads, so hey. I guess while riots are out, lynchings are in.
Action, as opposed to the toothless public launching toothless petitions into the system it is petitioning against. Or expecting others to do the job for them, as is so common with demands of media to do this or that.
Action, as opposed to the toothless public launching toothless petitions into the system it is petitioning against. Or expecting others to do the job for them, as is so common with demands of media to do this or that.
Why praise action when that action included the bombings of police stations, actions which are not going to get you much public sympathy, and are not going to help your broader cause.
atheist Muslim
Can't they just make Palin President of Ohio?Come November 5th it will be.
FACT: For the longest time, I thought it was called "The Bugeye State"
How exactly does Huckabee fit into the Republican mold? Maybe he's more sinister than it'd appear, but he strikes me as a pretty down to earth person. Sometimes, it feels like the Republican party is a multi-party system all in itself.
"Just who IS Barack Obama?""Why do you think he is a terrorist?"
A TERRRRIST
“When Petraeus says Pock-i-stahn I have an uncontrollable urge to read the New Yorker and find some Chardonnay. Fortunately I have an old copy of NR and a Coors Light to snap me back to reality. Seriously though — no one in flyover country says Pock-i-stahn. It’s annoying.” (The Corner on National Review Online)
“Re Gen. Petraeus’s ostentatiously exotic pronunciation of Pakistan, one thing I like about Sarah Palin is the way she says ‘Eye-raq’.” (The Corner on National Review Online)
“Most overwrought pronunciation of the night: The academic way that Petraeus says ‘Pakistan,’ with a soft ‘a’ - reminscent of a 1980s ‘Saturday Night Live’ sketch in which newscasters over-pronounced ‘Managua, Nicaragua.’” (Philadelphia Daily News)
Well, it's so great to see that racism in America is as strong as ever. :'(
But seeing it fueled indirectly(directly) by the republican party makes me very angry. :maf
Looking at some of the comments on that YouTube video, apparently they're dropping the middle name pretense and just calling him "Barack Hussein" now. Getting straight to the point, I guess.
Also, "ScottfromTexas" is making sure to remind people that the White Man is being oppressed by voter registration groups and welfare, and that all the white people will be enslaved by "King Obongo."spoiler (click to show/hide)Keep up the good job, FOC![close]
seriously, IQ limits on voting rights. NOW.
seriously, IQ limits on voting rights. NOW.
I second this, along with IQ requirements for driver's license and stock market participation.
[In the name of the lord, no less. ::)
EAT OUR FUD AMERICA, EAT IT.
Quotehttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7661758.stm
haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaa
seriously, IQ limits on voting rights. NOW.
If you can't see through this pitiful sham of a campaign, you have no right deciding who leads the most powerful nation in the world.
"Change? omg it's so risky!"
EAT OUR FUD AMERICA, EAT IT.
i mean, seriously, this line of "he's friends with the guy who bombed the pentegon!"... didn't the republicans sign a load of arms deals with Iraq back in the day? Doesn't that make them friends with Hussain and thereby, by their own bullshit, Al Q sponsors?
McCain's game is craps. So is Jeff Dearth's. Jeff was at the table when McCain showed up and happily made room for him. Apparently there is some kind of rule or tradition in craps that everyone's hands are supposed to be above the table when the dice are about to be thrown. McCain--"very likely distracted by one of the many people who approached him that evening," Jeff says charitably--apparently was violating this rule. A small middle-aged woman at the table, apparently a "regular," reached out and pulled McCain's arm away. I'll let Jeff take over the story:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/09/report-mccain-exploded-wi_n_133242.html
"McCain immediately turned to the woman and said between clenched teeth: 'DON'T TOUCH ME.' The woman started to explain...McCain interrupted her: 'DON'T TOUCH ME,' he repeated viciously. The woman again tried to explain. 'DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO?' McCain continued, his voice rising and his hands now raised in the 'bring it on' position. He was red-faced. By this time all the action at the table had stopped. I was completely shocked. McCain had totally lost it, and in the space of about ten seconds. 'Sir, you must be courteous to the other players at the table,' the pit boss said to McCain. "DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM? ASK ANYBODY AROUND HERE WHO I AM."
This being Puerto Rico, the pit boss might not have known McCain. But the senator continued in full fury--"DO YOU KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING TO? DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?"--and crisis was avoided only when Jeff offered to change places and stand between McCain and the woman who had touched his arm.
The national headquarters in Chicago airily dismisses complaints from journalists wondering why a schedule cannot be printed up or at least e-mailed in time to make coverage plans. Nor is there much sympathy for those of us who report for a newscast that airs in the early evening hours. Our shows place a premium on live reporting from the scene of campaign events. But this campaign can often be found in the air and flying around at the time the "CBS Evening News with Katie Couric" is broadcast. I suspect there is a feeling within the Obama campaign that the broadcast networks are less influential in the age of the internet and thus needn't be accomodated as in the days of yore. Even if it's true, they are only hurting themselves by dissing audiences that run in the tens of millions every night.
The McCain folks are more helpful and generally friendly. The schedules are printed on actual books you can hold in your hand, read, and then plan accordingly. The press aides are more knowledgeable and useful to us in the news media. The events are designed with a better eye, and for the simple needs of the press corps. When he is available, John McCain is friendly and loquacious. Obama holds news conferences, but seldom banters with the reporters who've been following him for thousands of miles around the country. Go figure.
The McCain campaign plane is better than Obama's, which is cramped, uncomfortable and smells terrible most of the time. Somehow the McCain folks manage to keep their charter clean, even where the press is seated.
The other day in Albuquerque, N.M., the reporters were given almost no time to file their reports after McCain spoke. It was an important, aggressive speech, lambasting Obama's past associations. When we asked for more time to write up his remarks and prepare our reports, the campaign readily agreed to it. They understood.
Similar requests are often denied or ignored by the Obama campaign aides, apparently terrified that the candidate may have to wait 20 minutes to allow reporters to chronicle what he's just said. It's made all the more maddening when we are rushed to our buses only to sit and wait for 30 minutes or more because nobody seems to know when Obama is actually on the move.
Maybe none of this means much. Maybe a front-running campaign like Obama's that is focused solely on victory doesn't have the time to do the mundane things like print up schedules or attend to the needs of reporters.
But in politics, everything that goes around comes around.
The other day in Albuquerque, N.M., the reporters were given almost no time to file their reports after McCain spoke. It was an important, aggressive speech, lambasting Obama's past associations. When we asked for more time to write up his remarks and prepare our reports, the campaign readily agreed to it. They understood.
One of the reasons I started this Not-a-Blog was to have a place to talk about politics, and for more than a year now I have been intending to post some of my thoughts and opinions on the presidential campaign. It's been a busy year, however, and political posts demand more time and energy than I have had to spare, so as it happened I never got around to posting about the primaries, the conventions, or the debates. Aside from the "Books for Barack" plug in my last post, I have hardly commented on the election at all.http://grrm.livejournal.com/
In view of what's happening right now, however, I find a need to say a word or three, even if it means taking a few hours off from DANCE WITH DRAGONS, the Vance anthology, SUICIDE KINGS, the WARRIORS anthology, and all the other projects that I am juggling.
I am referring, of course, to the McCain campaign's decision to go swiftboating. Instead of talking about the economy or the war or the other issues that confront the country, all of a sudden all they want to talk about is Obama serving on the board of a charity with a guy who was in the Weather Underground back in the 1960s.
If it wasn't so tragic, this would be funny. In her debate with Joe Biden, Sarah Palin tried to score points by arguing that Biden was talking about "the past" when he criticized the policies and mistakes of the Bush administration. She wasn't interested in talking about "the past," Palin said. Since the debate, however, Palin has talked about little else... and not last week or last year or four years ago, either, oh no, her interest is all in something that happened forty years ago, when Barack Obama was eight.
And now McCain has started in as well.
That saddens me. I'm an Obama supporter, make no mistake, and I'll be voting for him in a few weeks. Even so, a year ago I had a lot of respect for John McCain. I looked on him in the same way as I once looked on men like Barry Goldwater and William F. Buckley -- as a man of integrity and intelligence with whom I disagreed. (For the record, I looked on W as a man who combined the integrity of Richard Nixon with the intelligence of Dan Quayle). One of the things that I found most attractive about McCain was his insistence that he wanted to run a clean campaign on the issues.
That's gone now, it appears, and with it any respect I might have still retained for McCain. Faced with the spectre of defeat, he has turned to swiftboating, to the old tried-and-true tactic of guilt by association that was such a mainstay of HUAC and Tailgunner Joe back in the days of the Red Scare, one of the darkest epochs of American history.
Will it work? I hope not. Still, it worked in 2004, when a well-financed campaign of lies and character assassination destroyed John Kerry, a true American hero. I hope we have all learned better since then, but there's part of me that wonders.
Make no mistake. McCain and Palin are now appealing to the darkest elements in the American populace, as the shouts of "Treason" and "Kill him!" at their recent rallies make clear.
When a candidate, any candidate, engages in a campaign of character assassination, it says more about the character of the attacker than the target. What this says to me is that John McCain has abandoned his own ideals and principles, that he would do anything to win.
If I ever happened to be at one of those "town halls" that McCain likes so much, and if by some miracle I was actually allowed to ask a question, I know what that would be. I would ask him the same question that Joseph Welch asked Senator McCarthy at the Army-McCarthy Hearings, a question that still echoes down the halls of history:
"Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?"
It'll probably be some autobiographical stuff plus policy details
I wonder what the political climate will look like on October 29th. Will we be looking back thinking "fuck, what happened" or will things be looking like they're looking now.
Florida 10/8, 700 LV, 4%
Obama 50, McCain 47
Indiana 10/7, 500 LV, 4.5%
McCain 50, Obama 43
Michigan 10/8, 500 LV, 4.5%
Obama 56, McCain 40
New Jersey 10/7, 500 LV, 4.5%
Obama 50, McCain 42
Sen: Lautenberg(D) 51, Zimmer (R-i) 37
North Carolina 10/8, 700 LV, 4%
Obama 49, McCain 48
A few Republican operatives, who declined to be named, offered blunt criticism.http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/
The McCain campaign is “a joke,” one said. “There’s not a campaign in Nevada. A couple of guys, running around, being incompetent. Or even worse, arrogantly incompetent.”
The consultant said there was no discernible McCain ground game, which is political jargon for the massive effort needed to find likely supporters and get them to the polls.
He did hedge a bit, saying that if some earth-shattering event were to occur, McCain could still win in Nevada. Otherwise: “There’s not one single positive note for Republicans. I couldn’t be more pessimistic.”
The gloom is not surprising, given national polls showing Obama opening a lead and McCain playing defense in traditionally Republican states, which had included Nevada until Democratic registration drives have given the party an advantage of 80,000 voters.
Shangri-Las song about Obama:
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NHYFpLJbIgE
God damn you I was going to post this exact same thing!
I'll bide my time until someone calls Obama the leader of a pack and we'll see who posts the Youtube then.
johnny's in the basement mixing up the medicine/ i'm on the pavement thinking about the governmentGod damn you I was going to post this exact same thing!
I'll bide my time until someone calls Obama the leader of a pack and we'll see who posts the Youtube then.
"Barack Obama enjoys the "wall of sound" vocal stylings of 60s girl group The Shangri-Las...a gang of three underage girls produced by convicted murderer Phil Spector. How disrespectful."
In an interview with the sympathetic conservative talk radio host this afternoon, Obama offered the clearest explanation yet of how an extremely careful politician allowed himself anywhere near a former '60s radical who would become a Republican target in this year's presidential campaign.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/ (audio at link)
Obama "had assumed" from Bill Ayers' stature in Chicago, he told the Philadelphia-based Michael Smerconish, that Ayers had been "rehabilitated" since his 1960s crimes.
In the interview, which was taped this afternoon and will air tomorrow, and which you can listen to above, Obama recalled moving back to Chicago after law school, and becoming involved in civic life there.
"The gentleman in question, Bill Ayers, is a college professor, teaches education at the University of Illinois," he said. "That's how i met him -- working on a school reform project that was funded by an ambassador and very close friend of Ronald Reagan's" along with "a bunch of conservative businessmen and civic leaders."
"Ultimately, I ended up learning about the fact that he had engaged in this reprehensible act 40 years ago, but I was eight years old at the time and I assumed that he had been rehabilitated," Obama said.
That may not have been an unreasonable assumption for Obama in the 1990s. Though Ayers never repented his part in the Weather Underground bombings, he had not yet become notorious for advertising them. That notoriety returned in 2001, when he published his memoir, "Fugitive Days," and reminisced about the bombings in a New York Times interview that happened to appear September 11 of that year.
"This guy is not part of my inner circle, he doesn't advise my campaign, he's not going to advise me as president," Obama assured listeners.
Obama also lashed McCain for focusing on Ayers on a day of dramatic economic turmoil, calling th issue a "red herring."
"The fact that Senator McCain wants to make this the centerpiece of his campaign is pretty remarkable," he said. "We are going through an enormous challenge right now. "
"Senator McCain surely doesn't believe that I've endorsed any of the actions that [Ayers] has taken," he said. "They're trying to distract from the economy."
"We've got the biggest economic crisis on our hands since the Great Depression and Senator McCain's team has said in the newspapers, they've said it publicly, 'If we talk about the economy, then we lose the election,'" Obama said.
Different account than the one Gibbs has given, which claims Obama didn't know who Ayers was when they first met.
WASH TIMES Friday: Obama secretly tried to sway Iraqi government to ignore Bush deal on keeping troops in Iraq... Developing...
Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.
Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.
I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!
Such charming people at McCain-Palin rallies!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjxzmaXAg9E
Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.
I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!
You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?
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Everytime I see one of these signs my blood boils.
We need real leadership and these idiots want to elect the court jester.
Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.
I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!
You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?
There are 14 adults, one baby and three dogs in our group. Hell, we might as well just start our little militia.
edit: Holy shit, we totally could start our own little society in the Central Washington wilderness. We have a nurse, an elementary school teacher, a psychologist, two construction managers, a geologist, a video game designer, a bioethicist, an economist, a graphic designer, and a bass guitarist.
Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.
I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!
You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?
There are 14 adults, one baby and three dogs in our group. Hell, we might as well just start our little militia.
edit: Holy shit, we totally could start our own little society in the Central Washington wilderness. We have a nurse, an elementary school teacher, a psychologist, two construction managers, a geologist, a video game designer, a bioethicist, an economist, a graphic designer, and a bass guitarist.
Bristol Palin's Boyfriend Posts Violent Rhetoric on MySpace Page
Bristol Palin's boyfriend, the father of her unborn child, refers to himself as
proud to be a "fuckin' redneck" on his MySpace page (before his profile was
removed). He also said if anyone “messes” with him, he would "kick their fuckin'
ass." He uses the N-word freely, and under hobbies, says “I like to shoot shit" for
fun.
Palin Left Behind Almost $19 Million In Long-Term Debt, Compared to
None Before She Was Mayor.
http://clapboard.org/temp/SarahPalinReport.pdf
Repost?
If it is, sorry. If not, some pretty interesting stuff.
My favorite part was:QuoteBristol Palin's Boyfriend Posts Violent Rhetoric on MySpace Page
Bristol Palin's boyfriend, the father of her unborn child, refers to himself as
proud to be a "fuckin' redneck" on his MySpace page (before his profile was
removed). He also said if anyone “messes” with him, he would "kick their fuckin'
ass." He uses the N-word freely, and under hobbies, says “I like to shoot shit" for
fun.
wait, look at that
she got an 841 combined SAT????
wait, look at that
she got an 841 combined SAT????
I think this was back when it was out of 1600. Dubya, for comparison, got a 1200 or so. Yes folks she is JUST THAT DUMB.
wait, look at that
she got an 841 combined SAT????
I think this was back when it was out of 1600. Dubya, for comparison, got a 1200 or so. Yes folks she is JUST THAT DUMB.
...back when it was out of 1600? did they change it? 1600 has been the magic number to me forever.
minimum to compete in NCAA is 820, and those people are dumb as ROCKS.
I'm actually kind of retroactively impressed by her debate performance!
EDIT 2: Oh fuck, IQ score of 83. In fairness an IQ test merely measure your ability to take an IQ test, but that's spectacularly low.
EDIT 2: Oh fuck, IQ score of 83. In fairness an IQ test merely measure your ability to take an IQ test, but that's spectacularly low.
Where are you getting this?
holy shit, when i was 11, i was almost 100 iq points smarter than sarah palin
shit, my bratty ass was twice the intellect of the retardican's jesus-in-high-heels
:bow :bow me :bow2 :bow2
Yes. Apparently the McCain camp is planning a major offensive to distract from it, which suggests the report will have damaging evidence.
I'm heading out to the middle of nowhere and hanging out at a cabin with friends all weekend around 2pm PST. No radio, no TV, and our only electricity is from a gas powered generator. I sure hope it comes out before then!
You may be the EB'er best-positioned to get through this depression. have you considered just staying there and learning to hunt?
There are 14 adults, one baby and three dogs in our group. Hell, we might as well just start our little militia.
edit: Holy shit, we totally could start our own little society in the Central Washington wilderness. We have a nurse, an elementary school teacher, a psychologist, two construction managers, a geologist, a video game designer, a bioethicist, an economist, a graphic designer, and a bass guitarist.
The school teacher always dies first, dude
:bow :bow socialism :bow2 :bow2
the retardicans are STILL trying to pin the blame on ACORN (aka the dirty greedy poors) and the CRA (aka the bleeding hearts that gave the dirty poors a chance), ignoring credit default swaps and fraudulent lending practices across the board altogether. oh, how they FEAR the indictment of the free market ethos that MUST come to pass
So blaming deregulation for the financial mess is misguided. But it is dangerous, too, because one of the big challenges for the next president will be to defend markets against the inevitable backlash that follows this crisis. Even before finance went haywire, the Doha trade negotiations had collapsed; wage stagnation for middle-class Americans had raised legitimate questions about whom the market system served; and the food-price spike had driven many emerging economies to give up on global agricultural markets as a source of food security. Coming on top of all these challenges, the financial turmoil is bound to intensify skepticism about markets. Framing the mess as the product of deregulation will make the backlash nastier.http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/05/AR2008100501253.html
you were only smarter than fake Sarah Palin
This needs to be borne collectively by the G8 countries IMO.
I'm a producer, so I am best suited to be president of our new commune
This needs to be borne collectively by the G8 countries IMO.
Yep. The advanced economies of the world all got the benefit of a development path which relied on cheap fossil fuels. Besides which, they're best equipped to create efficient new technologies and the methods for mass producing them cheaply.
People who argue that China, India, etc. need to equally share the burden of transitioning to renewable energy are usually just making a reflexive argument against anything that would constrain or place blame on American industry and capitalism.
Thankfully, both countries have such massive infrastructure needs that provided we have the technology around, they'll be willing to implement it. Heck, they can probably build most of it themselves. And in a way, they sort of have to-the population will demand clean air and clean water and the newer tech is the only way they are going to get there.
I'm a producer, so I am best suited to be president of our new commune
But producers don't actually do anything, silly!
John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, “We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us.” This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget “by the end of my first term.” Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?
I would very much like to see the GOP polarize and have in fighting for the next 4 years.
With most Reagan Republicans either dead or disgraced, it would be interesting if Neocon hard liners and Huckabee and the Christians fight amongst themselves.
With all the shit that needs to be done, the butthurt right will be trying desperately to destroy Democrat legislation in hopes of creating enough anti-Democrat sentiments to gain seats in 2010.
I would very much like to see the GOP polarize and have in fighting for the next 4 years.
With most Reagan Republicans either dead or disgraced, it would be interesting if Neocon hard liners and Huckabee and the Christians fight amongst themselves.
With all the shit that needs to be done, the butthurt right will be trying desperately to destroy Democrat legislation in hopes of creating enough anti-Democrat sentiments to gain seats in 2010.
The funny thing is, they're in an even worse position to try and win anything in 2010. At least in the Senate anyhow. It would truly be awesome if the Dems can pick off some of their leaders this cycle, too. Mitchell and Shadegg are in competitive elections. I would love to see Eric Cantor lose, too, but that's probably not happening.
As to the coming political knife fight, it will be a thing of beauty to see. They will learn nothing from this election- the theocons, neocons and WSJ set will be fighting over who gets to lead. The longer the Republican party thinks it can be viable without tacking to the center, the longer it will be non-viable. Which is just where they deserve to be, in all honesty.
The McCain campaign is now broadening their attack on Obama's past association with William Ayers to include Michelle Obama -- even though McCain has repeatedly said spouses should be off limits during the campaign.
The attack? Bernardine Dohrn, Ayers' wife and fellow former Weatherman, went to work in 1984 for the major Chicago-based national law firm of Sidley & Austin, and three years later, Michelle joined the mega-firm as well.
That's the entire attack. We wish we were joking. But we aren't.
In launching this latest, McCain is ditching yet another formerly-claimed principle as he faces the growing likelihood of defeat. In a statement back in June, the McCain campaign said: "Senator McCain agrees with Senator Obama that spouses should not be an issue in this campaign, and he has stated that position frequently."
The attack on Michelle came on a McCain conference call with reporters this afternoon featuring John Murtagh, who has been hitting Obama over the Weather Underground's attack on his family's home back in 1970. Murtagh noted that Dohrn and Michelle Obama had both worked at the firm starting in the late 1980s.
The firm's Chicago office currently employs more than 500 lawyers.
Murtagh didn't even bother alleging that the two even knew each other, instead suggesting that they might have. If so, he said, the Obamas have known the two longer than suspected.
"If it is true" that the two women knew each other, Murtagh said, "the relationship is almost a decade older than Senator Obama has acknowledged. And that can very easily be resolved by Senator Obama, by Mrs. Obama, by Mr. Ayers and by Ms. Dohrn."
"And incidentally, I would emphasize that we've all been focusing on Senator Obama," said Murtagh. "I think we need to speak to his wife."
Keep in mind that this wasn't any surrogate speaking off the cuff. He was on a call organized by the McCain campaign, and he was apparently reading from a prepared statement, which would of course have been vetted by McCain aides. And so another once-cherished McCain principle gets junked in the service of self-parody.
Later in the event, man in the audience stood up and told McCain he's "scared" of an Obama presidency and who he'd select for the Supreme Court.
"I have to tell you. Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States," McCain said as the crowd booed and shouted "Come on, John!"
"If I didn't think I'd be a heck of a lot better, I wouldn't be running for President of the United States."
If it's not the Times editorial board jeering him, it's his own crowd.
:drudge BREAKING: ALASKA COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY VOTES TO RELEASE TROOPERGATE REPORT :drudge
even the republicans voted to release it? sounds like the report could be a bunch of nothingWasn't there something about Alaskan Republicans hating her though?
:drudge BREAKING: ALASKA COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY VOTES TO RELEASE TROOPERGATE REPORT :drudge
:drudge BREAKING: ALASKA COMMITTEE UNANIMOUSLY VOTES TO RELEASE TROOPERGATE REPORT :drudge
Wow. Either they hate Palin or there is nothing there.
we are certainly in historical times, MY FRIENDS
man history ain't pretty
Is there an remote possibility that Palin will be dropped? That would be hilarious.
I mean first it was Edwards that thought he would never get caught cheating and now it's Palin who had the idiocy to accept the VP nomination when she knew this was coming out.
One of his friends in the audience.
I can't find that video, but here's one from the same event
[youtube=425,350]MzoyADkoFUk[/youtube]
McCain is completely flustered at facing the blowback of his own negative campaigning. He is rightly fucked.
The other video is better because McCain defends Obama as "a decent man" and GETS BOOED by his own supporters.
I recorded it off the TV with my phone, I can email it to one of you if you have a youtube account.
One of his friends in the audience.
I can't find that video, but here's one from the same event
[youtube=425,350]MzoyADkoFUk[/youtube]
McCain is completely flustered at facing the blowback of his own negative campaigning. He is rightly fucked.
And I doubt she thought she was going to get caught. In her little hamster brain, she thought she hadn't done anything wrong to begin with. This is what happens when you let a half-bright PTA mom run things.
First nominee VP to face a trial. What a farce.
Though I wonder happens now (if she is found to break the law); I presume charges will brought against her and a court date arranged :lol
I love the stupidity of that woman who called Obama an Arab when she meant Muslim.
First nominee VP to face a trial. What a farce.
Though I wonder happens now (if she is found to break the law); I presume charges will brought against her and a court date arranged :lol
I love the stupidity of that woman who called Obama an Arab when she meant Muslim.
No trial was suggested in the report
So I took the "political compass" survey again tonight. It's the one that evaluates your political leanings on a 2D plane, with the Y axis being the social side and the X axis being the economic side. I was surprised when I first did this one a few years ago that I wasn't as conservative as I thought I was, and then tonight when taking it I wondered how many people would have seen a definitive shift leftward in light of the current economic climate. Sure enough, the results showed an even more pronouced liberal leaning that before. What the crap. :/
http://www.politicalcompass.org/test
My results:
-3.88 on economic left/right
+0.51 on social libertarian/authoritarian
I think the ranges go from -10 to +10 on both metrics.
edit: "if democrats are for the poor, why are people still poor?" :lol:lol 8 years of Bush solved the economic divide.
http://wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=77539
More on it but the whole he is the Messiah meme has already passed.
You can watch it for yourself on a newly posted YouTube video.:lol
Economic Left/Right: -6.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.49
is that good?
Economic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.64
They should have had one button on the test that says "I just wanna play videogames and sleep", cause that sums me up most days lol
My result from two years ago:
http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=4509422&postcount=64 (http://www.ga-forum.com/showpost.php?p=4509422&postcount=64)QuoteEconomic Left/Right: -0.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.64
Not a major shift.
Example 3: Making peace with the establishment is an important aspect of maturity.
Too vague. What does making peace mean?
Is there an remote possibility that Palin will be dropped? That would be hilarious.yes, it was stupid of her stupidity all around. But lets not forget, this investigation started LAST SPRING(its been all over the Alaska media for ages now). Months and months before the convention. McCain knew about this, he knew it was coming out sooner rather then later (remember, his lawyer was the only other one kept in the loop), and he went ahead and picked her anyway.
I mean first it was Edwards that thought he would never get caught cheating and now it's Palin who had the idiocy to accept the VP nomination when she knew this was coming out.
McCain's campaign has generally endulged in some negative bullshit, but McCain himself deserves a little respect for trying to get through to people like this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/us_elections_2008/7665238.stm
I think McCain is a man lost in his own campaign. Shame on him for playing along this long, but at this point I feel kinda sorry for him.
Whatever arises in place of the Republican Party as we know it today will not advocate Trickle Down Economics any longer. You can see them TRYING to pretend like they're not for it now- McCain saying he wants tax relief for everyone, not just the uber rich. But of course he's lying.
I would kind of like for there to be a second viable party, since absolute power corrupts absolutely, blah blah blah and all that rot. But right now the Republican party is such a shitty, looked down upon brand name that only the far, far right nutbars are going to be left after this election to pick up the pieces. And they'll think that they lost so badly this year because they didn't go FAR ENOUGH to the right. The Republicans are in such a pickle because they like to ostensibly play to the "look down your nose at snooty, uppity educated folk" card. Well guess what? When you do that, people getting educations say "well shit, they're not for me then I guess." So you end up with a party of Sarah Palins. And that will only appeal to other Sarah Palins, who thankfully are becoming a smaller percentage of the population. So that's a losing strategy over the long haul, as is the "fuck over the non-white skinned people" kick that Republicans have been on for a while.
I know that people say that a third party or more system wouldn't work in our bicameral legislature having, checks n' balances system. But I kind of think that if you had to have a majority coalition cobbled together to get things passed, it would encourage active and actual bipartisanship for the sake of the country and progress as opposed to the toxic insanity that we have today. We could have a far left party (that's me), the boring centrists (that's APF), the conservatives (toxic adam and sd) and then the loony religious nutbars. Obviously the libertopians would be right out. Now, the loony religious nutbars would probably win in some states, but since by nature they won't want to compromise on anything none of their agenda would get advanced and eventually their constituents would have to ask themselves- "hey, we don't get money for bridges and shit so much. maybe we should try electing someone that isn't insane." Or at least it would be hoped.
Anyway, just a thought.
Third parties don't happen because the two big parties are giant, self-perpetuating institutions and the plurality-takes-all voting system always winnows things down to two choices.
Models for the Republican party over the next decade: the 1930's GOP under FDR, the 1970's-80's Democrats, and the Tories under Blair in the UK. They'll still have a base that's a big chunk of the party, and representatives from safe seats will remain hardliners, but overall they'll be on the defensive.
But Senators, governors, and presidential candidates will have to respect the way the winds have blown, and downplay their differences with the ruling party. I think Dubya's "compassionate conservatism" was a step in this direction, and 9/11 was just a disruption of the underlying trends.
The GOP isn't going to split. I think the differences within the party have always been exaggerated by outsiders (like myself) who find their social and economic platforms to be contradictory. It's just going to slowly wither, and it'll be fun to watch.
Before McCain’s arrival, a minister delivering an invocation said, “There are plenty of people around the world who are praying to their god, be they Hindu, Buddah, or Allah, that (McCain’s) opponent wins. I pray that you step forward and honor your own name.” Ends with “in Jesus’ name.”
WTF is choggle pants. Do I even want to know? :lol
1. Steve Schmidt???
2. Obama adviser Steve Hildebrand
3. Obama adviser Paul Tewes
4. George W. Bush
5. The person overseeing McCain’s direct mail copy.
Also, the last time a Presidential candidate tried to win with racism:
1972 - Richard Nixon - 520 Electoral Votes
1988 - George HW Bush - 426 Electoral Votes
"What I am seeing reminds me too much of another destructive period in American history," Lewis said in a statement issued today. "Sen. McCain and Gov. Palin are sowing the seeds of hatred and division, and there is no need for this hostility in our political discourse."
"George Wallace never threw a bomb," Lewis noted. "He never fired a gun, but he created the climate and the conditions that encouraged vicious attacks against innocent Americans who were simply trying to exercise their constitutional rights. Because of this atmosphere of hate, four little girls were killed on Sunday morning when a church was bombed in Birmingham, Alabama."http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/1008/John_Lewis_invoking_George_Wallace_says_McCain_and_Palin_playing_with_fire.html
I would just like an anchorman or anchorwoman that challenged talking heads on these ludicrous points or when they don't answer the question. For BOTH sides!
"Sent me more things about Obama"
I bet the collection of nutter email that I have here is pretty much the extent of what she has been sent. :punch
I'm telling you, if you guys come up with something good, I can get the message inserted straight into the email stream of the Christian right
I would just like an anchorman or anchorwoman that challenged talking heads on these ludicrous points or when they don't answer the question. For BOTH sides!
Think of the political media like the sports media where PTI, Around The Horn, First and Ten, and Rome is Burning rehash the exact same story about TO's latest quote for hours on end.
1) They're terrified of seeming partisan
I mean, how much complete garbage can you cover before you feel obligated to report on its stink?
I do think the media should strive for objectivity. But "objectivity" to me means verifiable facts and actual expert analysis, rather than saying "well, both sides have a point" every time. It shouldn't be that hard.
I don't know, it sounded like "boo-urns" to me.That's how they always do ceremonial puck drops; otherwise, the play would start and she'd be at risk of getting hit.
By the way, what was she doing actually? She dropped the puck for a photo and not to start the actual game?
I do think the media should strive for objectivity. But "objectivity" to me means verifiable facts and actual expert analysis, rather than saying "well, both sides have a point" every time. It shouldn't be that hard.
I guess that's what I'm looking for, objective journalism but based on the facts of the matter. There's absolutely nothing objective about pretending that the two are on equal footing right now. I'd by no means argue that Obama is at all flawless, but one of the candidates is running a dirtier, more desperate, less substantial and honestly more hostile campaign than the other. I guess that fear of perceived bias is really strong enough to steamroll fairness and reason.
Some people will say that words like scum and rotten are wrong for Objective Journalism -- which is true, but they miss the point. It was the built-in blind spots of the Objective rules and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither into the White House in the first place. He looked so good on paper that you could almost vote for him sight unseen. He seemed so all-American, so much like Horatio Alger, that he was able to slip through the cracks of Objective Journalism. You had to get Subjective to see Nixon clearly, and the shock of recognition was often painful.
This was the essence of the thing that got me hit with the ban-hammer at gaf. I find life too short to go around pretending that someone isn't a massive, disgusting waste of flesh and air and I'll say it when I feel like it. The Amirox Fairness Doctrine in poli-gaf was anathema to actual honest discussion. If someone is being stupid or dishonest you should have the right to insult them.
This was the essence of the thing that got me hit with the ban-hammer at gaf. I find life too short to go around pretending that someone isn't a massive, disgusting waste of flesh and air and I'll say it when I feel like it. The Amirox Fairness Doctrine in poli-gaf was anathema to actual honest discussion. If someone is being stupid or dishonest you should have the right to insult them.
That's been my posting philosophy at GAF for years now. Unlike you, however, I seem to be immune from bannings. (okay, in truth, I'm just an order of magnitude less abrasive than you. But I still have people who occassionally bitch at me for saying mean things about them)
I guess my main mistake was in taking on the House. The House always wins. If I had continued to just flame regular old members I probably would have just kept getting week long bans or whatever. But when you call a moderator a great big blubbering vag there's really only one outcome, even if the moderator is in fact a great big blubbering vag. I mean, who can forget the "I beat up my mom because she wouldn't let me watch South Park" thread?
My mother has lupus and rheumatoid arthritis so she has always been in excrutiating pain all her life. Would you believe that my brother would regular hit her as a teenager, and also tried to push her down the stairs?
Remember when the Iraq war started? There were a ton of hawkish posters on that iteration of GAF (gamesquad.net?) and the war thread was mostly a lot of "OMG look at this awesome hi-tech weaponry on CNN!"
That's why I respect people more when they say that they're a socialist or something. Because then you know they're a real fucking socialist and not just somebody who watches the daily show.
oh I also respect anarchists, of course.
oh fuck, I passed 10,000. I have no life.
^ what was your ID at neogaf, nintenho??I never posted there. Like 3 years ago, I hassled a lot of people with PMs before my account was activated and so my account was deleted. I think I'm the reason why unactivated accounts can't send pm's anymore. For some reason, they activate new accounts only like every 3 months so I was wondering why I couldn't post after a couple weeks, but I'll make a new account there just to see how long I can troll somebody.
Because then you know they're a real fucking socialist and not just somebody who watches the daily show.
Most people choose their political views based on their geographical location or whichever comedian has the highest ratings so socialists or anarchists sort of won't be affected by those factors.QuoteBecause then you know they're a real fucking socialist and not just somebody who watches the daily show.yeah, uh, not really
1. Bill Clinton
2. Hillary Clinton
3. McCain sunny alter ego Mark Salter
4. McCain economic adviser Douglas Holtz-Eakin
5. Cindy McCain
The key distinction here is between voter fraud and voter registration fraud, one of which is truly dangerous, the other a petty crime.
The former would be, say, voting the cemeteries or stuffing the ballot boxes. This has happened occasionally in American history, though I can think of recent instances only in rare local races. Practically speaking, this can most easily be done by whoever is actually administering the election, which is why partisan observers carefully oversee the vote-counting process.
The latter is putting the names of fake voters on the rolls, something that happens primarily when organizations, like Acorn, pay contractors for new voter registrations. That can be a crime, and it messes up the voter files, but there's virtually no evidence these imaginary people then vote in November. The current stories about Acorn don't even allege a plan to affect the November vote.
Was there a new SNL Presidential/Vice Presidential sketch made yesterday? They've been surprisingly good as of late.
Hey guys, did I miss anything over the weekend? I bought a Sunday paper for the drive home today and saw that the Troopergate report was released late Friday evening. Has anything come of it yet?
I hope Fox streams their election coverage on November 4th. We could know pretty early whether Obama is cruising to a victory - Ohio, NC, Penn, and Virginia are all EST. If he pulls off either NC, Ohio or Virginia around 11PM it's a done deal.
It'll be so interesting watching how Fox handles an Obama landslide. If it happens of course
I guess my main mistake was in taking on the House. The House always wins. If I had continued to just flame regular old members I probably would have just kept getting week long bans or whatever. But when you call a moderator a great big blubbering vag there's really only one outcome, even if the moderator is in fact a great big blubbering vag. I mean, who can forget the "I beat up my mom because she wouldn't let me watch South Park" thread?
I guess my main mistake was in taking on the House. The House always wins. If I had continued to just flame regular old members I probably would have just kept getting week long bans or whatever. But when you call a moderator a great big blubbering vag there's really only one outcome, even if the moderator is in fact a great big blubbering vag. I mean, who can forget the "I beat up my mom because she wouldn't let me watch South Park" thread?
Actually, your big mistake was making a thread calling out Amirox on the same day that someone else did the same thing (and got permabanned for it) :p I think you'd still be there if not for that.
I hope Fox streams their election coverage on November 4th. We could know pretty early whether Obama is cruising to a victory - Ohio, NC, Penn, and Virginia are all EST. If he pulls off either NC, Ohio or Virginia around 11PM it's a done deal.What do you mean? They will continue on the their course of credibility and show how McCain wins in a landslide. Then the next morning, when the smoke clears, they will go all ACORN.
It'll be so interesting watching how Fox handles an Obama landslide. If it happens of course
Calling out the mods ain't never a good idea. I'm still alive there (well I'm currently banned, but temporarily) because I know how to play the game. smh Triumph, you thought you were bigger than the game
I'm finding it hard to concentrate on school now. Jeez November 4th needs to get here soon.
It will be sweet. I'll be watching nothing but Faux News and listening to right wing hate radio the following week.
The butthurt right will throw temper tantrums and I'll be there to laugh my ass off at it.
but what if mccain wins
but what if mccain wins
This seems like a lot of big talk from the Obama die-hards, considering how far away the elections are. If McCain's economic plan gets traction, it could easily reverse everything. Not that I'd want that to happen or anything.
Obama's foreign policy scares me. It's just as bad if not worse than McCain's. I really wish there was a viable third party candidate this year; I don't feel comfortable voting for either Obamo or McCain.
did you notice how the states where Obama is ahead are "battleground states" while the ones where McCain are ahead are "leaning Republican"Just another example of Triumph's flagrant pro-Republican bias.
:eyeroll
Was there a new SNL Presidential/Vice Presidential sketch made yesterday? They've been surprisingly good as of late.
it was a repeat because thurs was the special episode
To: BuckeyeTexan
Does this mean that the McCain camp, talk radio and conservatives generally shouldn't bother exposing these things? Not at all. The truth is the truth, and needs to be told.
Rush Limbaugh in particular infuriates me!!! The one guy with the most power to educate his listeners has been stone cold **silent** about Marxism for YEARS!!!!
In the past few weeks he may have uttered the word Marxist or Stalinist once or twice, but he should have been hammering this YEARS ago.
Marxism is our nation's **MOST** serious threat. Rush Limbuagh hasn't been at the leading letting his listeners know it.
Last month I painted 4 rooms of my house. I listened to every program of Rush for solid MONTH. Some programs more than once. Not one time did I hear Rush Limbaugh use the word Marxism or communism. NOT one time did I hear him talk about Obama or Ayers COMMUNIST philosophy or connections.
20 posted on Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:45:10 PM by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
You guys,,, this is a must win. Obama isn’t a normal opponent, he is the end of Freedom as we know it,, or the beginning of some form of civil war to preserve freedom.
Stopping him involves US voting, even if McCain isn’t our dream candidate.
It ALSO involves us convincing many many middle of the road morons to join us. The ones who vote for whoever “seems nicest”. These people just started hearing about the election a week or two ago.
Theres the way things ought to be, and the way things actually are. Good for McCain for going on the show.
Let Sarah attack,, John be agreeable.
BTW,,, the world is waiting for a McCain tantrum so they can crucify him on the famous temper thing.
33 posted on Sunday, October 12, 2008 9:55:08 PM by DesertRhino (Dogs earn the title of "man's best friend", Muslims hate dogs,,add that up.)
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To: acsuc99
Sometimes the only way to expose enemy positions is to have someone go in and get shot at. IIRC, this was done to expose SAM sites during the Vietnam War. McCain is taking fire to expose the enemy. Hopefully America is paying attention.
As long as he can remain gracious under fire, he deflects the ‘temper’ thingy. Improtant, that.
If Obambam cannot remain equally gracious, and IF it gets airtime, McCain wins.
If I were to expect the press to air anything negative about Obambi, I really should drive back to town 60 miles through ice, snow, mud, and slush to get a Powerball ticket, and see which pays off first...
39 posted on Sunday, October 12, 2008 10:00:45 PM by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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# Ewan Cummins Says:
October 7, 2008 at 6:02 am
The Weather Underground were a bunch of whiny rich kids playing at terrorism. Every time I read about those stupid pricks blowing themsleves up in their failed [well, successful from where I stand] bombmaking enterprise I get a warm and fuzzy feeling deep down inside.
DEATH TO ALL MARXIST TRAITORS!
We need an American Freikorps to do to Nancy Pelosi and Obama what the Freikorps did to Rosa Luxemburg and Karl Liebknecht.
Despite signals that Senator John McCain would have new prescriptions for the economic crisis after a weekend of meetings, his campaign said Sunday that Mr. McCain, the Republican presidential nominee, would not have any more proposals this week unless developments call for some.
The signs of internal confusion came as the campaign was under pressure from state party leaders to sharpen his message on the economy and at least blunt the advantage that Democrats traditionally have on the issue in hard times. Republicans have grown fretful as Senator Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, has edged ahead in polls three weeks before the election, while Mr. McCain has veered between ill-received economic plans and attacks on Mr. Obama's character.
Obama's foreign policy scares me. It's just as bad if not worse than McCain's. I really wish there was a viable third party candidate this year; I don't feel comfortable voting for either Obamo or McCain.i wish i could laugh at that clip
If only they would learn from George W. Bush
[youtube=425,350]F9SOVzMV2bc[/youtube]
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14523.html
obama hittin' mccain where it hurtsRight in the issues.
Palin’s frustration with McCain has led to clashes over strategy. When she learnt he was pulling resources from Michigan, an industrial swing state leaning heavily in Obama’s favour, she fired off an e-mail saying, “Oh come on, do we have to?” and offered to travel there with her husband Todd, four-times winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snow-mobile race.
She also told Bill Kristol, the conservative New York Times columnist, that she wished the campaign would make more of Obama’s 20-year association with the Rev Jeremiah Wright, his controversial former pastor, who said, “God damn America”.
“To me, that does say something about character,” Palin said. “But you know, I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring it up.”
McCain and Palin are bumping heads on issue of negative campaigning. (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4926283.ece) Guess who wants to stay on the offensive?QuotePalin’s frustration with McCain has led to clashes over strategy. When she learnt he was pulling resources from Michigan, an industrial swing state leaning heavily in Obama’s favour, she fired off an e-mail saying, “Oh come on, do we have to?” and offered to travel there with her husband Todd, four-times winner of the 2,000-mile Iron Dog snow-mobile race.
She also told Bill Kristol, the conservative New York Times columnist, that she wished the campaign would make more of Obama’s 20-year association with the Rev Jeremiah Wright, his controversial former pastor, who said, “God damn America”.
“To me, that does say something about character,” Palin said. “But you know, I guess that would be a John McCain call on whether he wants to bring it up.”
I don't think their strategy runs that deep. It seems to me as if they are trying to create the illusion of there being a minor split between the two to keep McCain separate from the hate campaign. I don't think people are stupid enough to buy into that.
My post-election prediction, based on the assumption that Obama wins: Rove is going to move in early and take a lot of interest in Palin. If she's smart she'll block all of McCain's advisers from her phone and instead ally herself with Bush's folks.
My post-election prediction, based on the assumption that Obama wins: Rove is going to move in early and take a lot of interest in Palin. If she's smart she'll block all of McCain's advisers from her phone and instead ally herself with Bush's folks.
Thats never gong to happen. When Obama wins nobody will want to touch Palin.
I don't think their strategy runs that deep. It seems to me as if they are trying to create the illusion of there being a minor split between the two to keep McCain separate from the hate campaign. I don't think people are stupid enough to buy into that.
My post-election prediction, based on the assumption that Obama wins: Rove is going to move in early and take a lot of interest in Palin. If she's smart she'll block all of McCain's advisers from her phone and instead ally herself with Bush's folks.
Thats never gong to happen. When Obama wins nobody will want to touch Palin.
On "the issues" in these closing weeks, there really isn't a very sharp or highly noticeable distinction to be made between the two nominees, and their "debates" have been cramped and boring affairs as a result. But the difference in character and temperament has become plainer by the day, and there is no decent way of avoiding the fact. Last week's so-called town-hall event showed Sen. John McCain to be someone suffering from an increasingly obvious and embarrassing deficit, both cognitive and physical. And the only public events that have so far featured his absurd choice of running mate have shown her to be a deceiving and unscrupulous woman utterly unversed in any of the needful political discourses but easily trained to utter preposterous lies and to appeal to the basest element of her audience. McCain occasionally remembers to stress matters like honor and to disown innuendoes and slanders, but this only makes him look both more senile and more cynical, since it cannot (can it?) be other than his wish and design that he has engaged a deputy who does the innuendoes and slanders for him.
hasn't hitchens been a big fan of the Iraq War?
He (Andy Martin) is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of “moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.”
it's easy to understand:QuoteHe (Andy Martin) is a law school graduate, but his admission to the Illinois bar was blocked in the 1970s after a psychiatric finding of “moderately severe character defect manifested by well-documented ideation with a paranoid flavor and a grandiose character.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html
Another article on ACORN and the inevitable right wing spin we'll see in the event of an Obama win. It's very important the democrats push back on this bullshit. I hope to god that McCain brings up ACORN at the debate tomorrow, and Obama puts it to bed with a bit of humor ("If I register Micky Mouse and Donald Duck to vote will they show up on November 4th?")
Something is a little bit funny when Matt Drudge is treating 1-2 point gains for McCain in the Rasmussen and Zogby tracking polls as "BREAKING" news. Naturally, Drudge ignores other results like the just-released ABC/WaPo poll that show Obama continuing to gain ground.http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/is-drudge-priming-mccain-reboot.html
Drudge has a nose for news, and he knows that a one-point gain in a tracking poll is not news -- unless someone desperately wants it to be.
So here's what I think is going on.
The McCain campaign is planning on a major "reboot" of its campaign in some point in advance of Wednesday night's debate. This will take on something of the form that Bill Kristol advocates in his must-read Monday AM piece in the Times, including some combination of (i) pledging to run a positive campaign; (ii) firing/demoting Steve Schmidt and or/Rick Davis; (iii) apologizing for his campaign's tone. In fact, Kristol's column may be something of a trial balloon for this strategy.
What the McCain campaign really, really doesn't want is for this move to be portrayed as desperate stunt. McCain has already developed a reputation for being a bit erratic under pressure -- the ABC/Post poll now shows that a 48-45 plurality of voters trust Obama to handle an "unexpected major crisis" -- and Bill Burton and Robert Gibbs must be foaming at the mouth waiting to spin something like this.
The only way for McCain to do that is for him to convince the media that he already had the momentum. The campaign will probably try and claim the moral highground, perhaps contrasting McCain's repudiation of the woman who called Obama an "Arab" on Friday against John Lewis's comments from Saturday. They will suggest that McCain found his voice, and made the "maverick" move of telling off the Beltway Republicans who were urging him to go for blood. They will suggest that the reboot is a continuation of this strategy, and that -- as the Zogby poll so obviously attests to! -- voters were already responding favorably to McCain's new tone.
It won't be an easy spin war for them to win. But they'd seem to have little left to lose, and if the media is reminded of the "old" McCain, they may tend to give his narrative the benefit of the doubt.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html
Another article on ACORN and the inevitable right wing spin we'll see in the event of an Obama win. It's very important the democrats push back on this bullshit. I hope to god that McCain brings up ACORN at the debate tomorrow, and Obama puts it to bed with a bit of humor ("If I register Micky Mouse and Donald Duck to vote will they show up on November 4th?")
Obama's already promised to go on the offensive on the ACORN bullshit. The best thing about McCain's distinguished mentally-challenged campaign is they like to telegraph their moves a day or two in advance, so it looks like the story is "building" or "has momentum" - but really this just gives the Obama campaign 48 hours to rapid response before they start the attack. :lol
The rally will feature Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) as the headline speaker along with elected officials, immigrants and key local and national leaders. Sen. McCain is one of the chief sponsors of the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act; bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform legislation introduced last Congress and scheduled for consideration by the Senate in the coming weeks. A similar rally with Sen. McCain is planned for New York City on February 27.
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The rally in Miami is being sponsored by the New American Opportunity campaign (NAOC) in partnership with ACORN, Catholic Legal Services - Archdiocese of Miami, Florida Immigrant Advocacy Center, Florida Immigrant Coalition, Miami Dade College, People for the American Way/Mi Familia Vota en Acción, Service Employees International Union, and UNITE HERE.
McCain hears the same stuff yelled at Obama speeches as his own.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-matzzie/how-mccain-will-steal-the_b_133989.html
Another article on ACORN and the inevitable right wing spin we'll see in the event of an Obama win. It's very important the democrats push back on this bullshit. I hope to god that McCain brings up ACORN at the debate tomorrow, and Obama puts it to bed with a bit of humor ("If I register Micky Mouse and Donald Duck to vote will they show up on November 4th?")
Obama's already promised to go on the offensive on the ACORN bullshit. The best thing about McCain's distinguished mentally-challenged campaign is they like to telegraph their moves a day or two in advance, so it looks like the story is "building" or "has momentum" - but really this just gives the Obama campaign 48 hours to rapid response before they start the attack. :lol
I really hope Obama nails him if he does bring it up. Since Ayers is a professor at the U of I, does that make it a terrorist training ground?
Ayers was never charged with anything, just like McCain in Keating 5. Obama and Ayers worked to help poor people in Chicago some how leads to Obama palling around with terrorists?
I really hope McCain gets put in his place. But what would Fox cover then?
So despite the debate topic being about the economy, McCain is going to talk about Ayers?
McCain advisers say they're saving their best material for the last ten days of the race, when, the campaign hopes, three quarters of the remaining undecided voters will make up their minds, and their minds will be concentrating on Barack Obama. When the urgency of the presidential election impresses itself, the hope is that these voters will swing back to the familiar, rather than the unknown. The last ten days, according to a McCain aide, are when the "imponderables" come into play.
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/10/mccains_fight.phpQuoteMcCain advisers say they're saving their best material for the last ten days of the race, when, the campaign hopes, three quarters of the remaining undecided voters will make up their minds, and their minds will be concentrating on Barack Obama. When the urgency of the presidential election impresses itself, the hope is that these voters will swing back to the familiar, rather than the unknown. The last ten days, according to a McCain aide, are when the "imponderables" come into play.
"At this dark time in American history, the last thing we need is another black spot on the White House. America needs a white knight to lead them out of the shadows, not colorful words. Don't be spooked by the economic chatter; one candidate has the experience necessary, and in spades. Sunny growth is just around the corner, just don't be niggardly with your vote this November 4th. Remember: states' rights! States' rights!""
"Very frankly, Dana, I don't give a damn about an old unrepentant terrorist."http://politicalwire.com/
-- Sen. John McCain, in an interview with Dana Base on CNN, obviously getting tired of talking about Barack Obama and 1960s radical William Ayers.
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McCain bringing up Ayers would rule
Obama's team is probably already crafting a thermonuclear "bitch, please" retort as we speak
policy by e-mail forward
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McCain bringing up Ayers would rule
Obama's team is probably already crafting a thermonuclear "bitch, please" retort as we speak
policy by e-mail forward
There's a good newsweek article about how Axlerod prepares for all of this shit
McCain bringing up Ayers would rule
Obama's team is probably already crafting a thermonuclear "bitch, please" retort as we speak
policy by e-mail forward
There's a good newsweek article about how Axlerod prepares for all of this shit
Yeah, Axelrod is pretty gnarly. (http://www.newsweek.com/id/163623)
Patel- no, I for one am impressed with his spelling and grammar. He does look unhappy to be there, tho. Probably something about a baby-murdering muslim about to be his President.
Maddow respect +100, and I've never been a fan of hers
But after that I might as well jump on the bandwagon. Can you imagine how O'Reilly or Olbermann would react to such trolling? She held her own, gave him more than enough time to repeat his positions, and never lost her cool. In fact, every clip from her show that I've seen has not only shown that she's calm and calculating - but she actually invites people who disagree with her onto the show. Unlike that fucktard Olbermann
Posted?
Jesus Christ, SECEDE OHIO!
"At this dark time in American history, the last thing we need is another black spot on the White House. America needs a white knight to lead them out of the shadows, not colorful words. Don't be spooked by the economic chatter; one candidate has the experience necessary, and in spades. Sunny growth is just around the corner, just don't be niggardly with your vote this November 4th. Remember: states' rights! States' rights!""
fix'd
Country has become quite the political tool, eh?For hillbillies. Yes. You can't entertain the IQ deficient with more than 3 chords. You'll just lose them.
Country has become quite the political tool, eh?For hillbillies. Yes. You can't entertain the IQ deficient with more than 3 chords. You'll just lose them.
The Atlanta Journal Constitution reported recently on disproportionate voting from African-Americans. Georgia doesn't appear to be in play in the presidential election, but it tracks early votes contemporaneously (and online), so it may be a useful bellwether for what's happening elsewhere.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
If it is, the news continues to be extremely good for Obama. Early vote totals have now reached 499,582 -- more than 75,000 more than were cast early in all of 2004, according to Matt Carrothers, a spokesman for the Secretary of State. (The state is also newly encouraging early voting this year, so that's a major factor in the overall increase.)
Most striking: The ratio of African-American voters remains extremely high. 37% of the early votes were cast by black voters, who make up just 29% of the state's electorate.
QuoteThe Atlanta Journal Constitution reported recently on disproportionate voting from African-Americans. Georgia doesn't appear to be in play in the presidential election, but it tracks early votes contemporaneously (and online), so it may be a useful bellwether for what's happening elsewhere.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
If it is, the news continues to be extremely good for Obama. Early vote totals have now reached 499,582 -- more than 75,000 more than were cast early in all of 2004, according to Matt Carrothers, a spokesman for the Secretary of State. (The state is also newly encouraging early voting this year, so that's a major factor in the overall increase.)
Most striking: The ratio of African-American voters remains extremely high. 37% of the early votes were cast by black voters, who make up just 29% of the state's electorate.
fuuuck!
Can't wait for the right wing spin though. "How duz blacks be 29% of the population but they done casted 37% of the votes?"
Posted?
Jesus Christ, SECEDE OHIO!
oh man i wish she went back to this jan 2008 hairdo. She looks heterosexual AND very very attractive.
her current look is just lesbian and attractive.
On a recent afternoon, Senator Joe Biden, the Democratic candidate for Vice-President, could be found inside a tent, pitched beside a pond in Claude Moore Park, in northern Virginia. His Secret Service agents, who were dispersed among the trees, formed a perimeter around the candidate; his motorcade, consisting of half a dozen cars, idled on a gravel road nearby. A portable toilet had been hauled into the woods and stood outside the tent. This was no wilderness; the park is in the suburb of Sterling, a place rich with potential supporters of Barack Obama. But the image of Biden relaxing at a picnic table in the tent, with his ten-year-old granddaughter Finnegan, who was cheerfully drawing on a napkin, gave the impression of a man not at the center of combat but off on a distant mission.http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/10/20/081020fa_fact_lizza?currentPage=all
Obama posited Tuesday that the alleged fraud likely was the result of a few bad actors, wouldn’t impact the election and shouldn’t be used by the GOP to try to bar voters from casting ballots on Election Day.http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14574.html
“My understanding in terms of the voter fraud, because having run a voter registration drive, I know how problems arise – this is typically a situation where ACORN probably paid people to get registrations and these folks, not wanting to actually register people because that’s actually hard work, just went into a phone book or made up names and submitted false registrations to get paid,” he said.
“So there’s been fraud perpetrated probably on ACORN if they paid these individuals and they actually didn’t do registrations, but this isn’t a situation where there’s actually people who are going to try to vote, ‘cause these are phony names, and, it’s doubtful Tony Romo is gonna show up in Ohio to vote, so this is another one of these distractions that gets stirred up in the course of a campaign.”
Country has become quite the political tool, eh?My friend is actually writing his phd thesis on this very topic.
New CBS poll has Obama up 53-39 over Old Man McCain and Caribou Barbie. GAME OVER, MAN.
Guys, moral dilemma here.
I'm voting for Obama just cause I don't like McCain's association with Bush and/or the republican party. Does that make me as bad as those inbreeders from Ohio who don't want to vote for Obama cause he's a dirty colored?
Guys, moral dilemma here.
I'm voting for Obama just cause I don't like McCain's association with Bush and/or the republican party. Does that make me as bad as those inbreeders from Ohio who don't want to vote for Obama cause he's a dirty colored?
New CBS poll has Obama up 53-39 over Old Man McCain and Caribou Barbie. GAME OVER, MAN.
Republicans are using every wrinkle and loophole in — ironically — the McCain-Feingold campaign finance law to try to keep pace and stretch their spending power.
The most important change would occur in the Middle East, where "decades of putting Israel's interests first" would end.http://www.nypost.com/seven/10142008/postopinion/opedcolumnists/the_o_jesse_knows_133450.htm?page=0
Jackson believes that, although "people who believe in the development and protection of a Jewish nation who have controlled American policy for decades" remain strong, they'll lose a great deal of their clout when Barack Obama enters the White House.
Wow, that Limbaugh rant goes right past traditional conservative disdain and right into conspiracy theory territory.
Really???Wow, that Limbaugh rant goes right past traditional conservative disdain and right into conspiracy theory territory.
Interestingly most black supremacist groups don't even like Obama. He's against reparations and has always championed self-betterment within the black community (without the segregationist language of say, the NOI).
Tying Ayers (?) and Wright into this giant conspiracy just makes it even more laughable. Of course we as a community need to come together and stop blaming our failures on other people but that doesn't mean we should simply ignore the fact that institutional racism still exists.
On the eve of the third debate...I think McCain is going to come out blasting and catch Obama off guard
oh man i wish that guy in the phooto came to my university, shucks
Jesus shrimp.....
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The sign in the upper right will provided the ultimate lolz come Nov. 5.
While I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of "conservative" government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.
So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven't left the Republican Party. It left me.
John McCain campaign senior strategist Nicole Wallace conceded Wednesday that the campaign “lost the spin war” by allowing Barack Obama’s campaign to brand the Arizona senator as a dirty campaigner.
“The truth is they play dirty politics, and maybe we haven't been quick enough. Maybe we don't have enough friends in the media to carry the message,” Wallace said on MSNBC’s Morning Joe show. “We certainly lost the spin war about his fighting a more negative campaign. The truth is that Barack Obama has spent more money on negative attack ads against John McCain than any politician, Democrat or Republican, in history.”
Wallace blamed a double standard in the media which highlights any potentially negative mention of Obama’s race while ignoring attacks against Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin’s gender.
“There is an acceptance of the gender bashing that's happened with Sarah Palin,” Wallace said. “It's an atrocity. Win or lose, we'll spend a long time examining the atrocities that have been carried out.”
“The truth is we've had a lot of thoughtful discussions about race in this campaign, and that is entirely appropriate. We should continue to do so. We have spent far less time talking about the gender bashing that happens, not only out of the Obama campaign, but on the far left,” the strategist added.
But Wallace said that no matter the tack taken by the McCain campaign in pushing its message, its efforts have so far been futile.
“Well, look, it's like running against God,” Wallace said. “You know, the media has anointed Obama. Many, many places in the media, present company excluded, and he's got more money. He opted out of public funds. No one cares about that.”
This is so typical of the Republican side, though. They attempt to equalize, ignoring of course differences in nature or severity of the individual attack ads.
On the eve of the third debate...I think McCain is going to come out blasting and catch Obama off guard
First part maybe. Second part not.
Obama's campaign hasn't slacked for a year and a half now while McCain keeps sending advance notice of his own tactics via Pony Express.
What is there for McCain to attack on which he hasn't tried already? Ayers/Wright/Rezko? The most effective lines of attack have been tried. When McCain digs for something fresh which Obama won't have planned on the best he can do is crap like the overhead projector.
Stretch of the truth at best.
We should caveat that these are not hard-and-fast numbers. Estimates of early voting results are subject to the same statistical vagaries as any other sort of subgroup analysis, such as response bias and small sample sizes.
Nevertheless, Obama is leading by an average of 23 points among early voters in these five states, states which went to George W. Bush by an average of 6.5 points in 2004.
Is this a typical pattern for a Democrat? Actually, it's not. According to a study by Kate Kenski at the University of Arizona, early voters leaned Republican in both 2000 and 2004; with Bush earning 62.2 percent of their votes against Al Gore, and 60.4 percent against John Kerry. In the past, early voters have also tended to be older than the voting population as a whole and more male than the population as a whole, factors which would seem to cut against Obama or most other Democrats.
Now certainly, early voters tend to be your stauncher partisans rather than your uncommitted voters -- just 1-2 percent of early voters in 2000 and 2004 reported that they would have voted differently if they'd waited until election day. So it's unlikely that John McCain is actually losing all that many persuadable voters to the early voter tallies.http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2008/10/obama-dominating-among-early-voters-in.html
What these results would seem to suggest, however, is that there are fairly massive advantages for the Democrats in enthusiasm and/or turnout operations. They imply that Obama is quite likely to turn out his base in large numbers; the question is whether the Republicans will be able to do the same.
I just got an astounding e-mail from a Republican consultant I know well. He's a guy who's always thought Obama had a "glass jaw," and was always among those agitating for hitting Obama harder.http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
Recently, he conducted a focus group in an upper-Midwestern state, showing them the kind of ad he thought would work: A no-holds-barred attack, cut for an independent group, which hasn't aired.
I'm just going to reprint his amazed e-mail about the focus group:
Reagan Dems and Independents. Call them blue-collar plus. Slightly more Target than Walmart.
Yes, the spot worked. Yes, they believed the charges against Obama. Yes, they actually think he's too liberal, consorts with bad people and WON'T BE A GOOD PRESIDENT...but they STILL don't give a f***. They said right out, "He won't do anything better than McCain" but they're STILL voting for Obama.
The two most unreal moments of my professional life of watching focus groups:
54 year-old white male, voted Kerry '04, Bush '00, Dole '96, hunter, NASCAR fan...hard for Obama said: "I'm gonna hate him the minute I vote for him. He's gonna be a bad president. But I won't ever vote for another god-damn Republican. I want the government to take over all of Wall Street and bankers and the car companies and Wal-Mart run this county like we used to when Reagan was President."
The next was a woman, late 50s, Democrat but strongly pro-life. Loved B. and H. Clinton, loved Bush in 2000. "Well, I don't know much about this terrorist group Barack used to be in with that Weather guy but I'm sick of paying for health insurance at work and that's why I'm supporting Barack."
I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I sat on the other side of the glass and realized...this really is the Apocalypse. The Seventh Seal is broken and its time for eight years of pure, delicious crazy....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/14/christopher-buckley-resig_n_134628.html
Doesnt pay to think for yerself in the conservative media omgQuoteWhile I regret this development, I am not in mourning, for I no longer have any clear idea what, exactly, the modern conservative movement stands for. Eight years of "conservative" government has brought us a doubled national debt, ruinous expansion of entitlement programs, bridges to nowhere, poster boy Jack Abramoff and an ill-premised, ill-waged war conducted by politicians of breathtaking arrogance. As a sideshow, it brought us a truly obscene attempt at federal intervention in the Terry Schiavo case.
So, to paraphrase a real conservative, Ronald Reagan: I haven't left the Republican Party. It left me.
Oooh, Sick Burn!
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EPIC MELTDOWN :lol
(4:45min)
edit: oooh fuck last second ownage as well :lol
Or take Julie Follette, a 25-year-old coffee barista in Issaquah who voted for George W. Bush last time.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2008267851_danny15.html
"Look, I love women," she said, "but you have to be able to put together a complete sentence. You know, like when you're talking to those doggone foreign leaders?"
Follette then winked at me. She designed the wink to be Palinesque — "as perky as it is phony."
Article on how Palin fucked up McCain's chances to win the State of MAF/DrinkyQuoteOr take Julie Follette, a 25-year-old coffee barista in Issaquah who voted for George W. Bush last time.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2008267851_danny15.html
"Look, I love women," she said, "but you have to be able to put together a complete sentence. You know, like when you're talking to those doggone foreign leaders?"
Follette then winked at me. She designed the wink to be Palinesque — "as perky as it is phony."
:lolspoiler (click to show/hide)Am I a stalker for looking her up on facebook :-\[close]
By MATT MITOVICH
TV GUIDE
A Fox spokesperson confirms for TVGuide.com that the network will push back the start of its World Series Game 6 coverage (if needed) by some 15 minutes, to make room for the half-hour of airtime recently purchased by White House hopeful Sen. Barack Obam
Last week, Obama purchased 30 minutes of prime time from Fox, CBS and NBC, to deliver a final message to voters on Wednesday, Oct. 29 (starting at 8 pm/ET). Major League Baseball and Fox were to start Game 6 at 8:20, but agreed to hold the ball for a few and accommodate the program (for which Fox is fetching some $1 million in ad revenue).
"We are pleased that Major League Baseball has agreed to delay the first pitch of World Series Game 6 for a few minutes in order for Fox to carry [Obama's] program," Fox Sports says in a statement. "If requested, the network would be willing to make similar time available to Senator McCain's campaign."
Of the Big 3's 8 o'clock programs, only ABC's Pushing Daisies remains unaffected by the half-hour delay. CBS is shuttling Old Christine to 8:30 (bumping Gary Unmarried), while NBC's plans for that gap (where the back end of Knight Rider usually airs) have yet to be announced.
It's going to be so weird watching the Obama special on Fox while Ayers and ACORN shit will be scrolling across the bottom of the screen.
Isn't that just going to piss people off?
How a state could flirt with the likes of Ellen Craswell (fucking Ellen Craswell), and then repeat it twice with Dino Rossi is beyond my humble comprehension. If Gregoire can't win re-election in WA, Seattle should secede. Leave the Eastside to suffer the ills of it's proximity to the desert out east.Article on how Palin fucked up McCain's chances to win the State of MAF/DrinkyQuoteOr take Julie Follette, a 25-year-old coffee barista in Issaquah who voted for George W. Bush last time.http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/dannywestneat/2008267851_danny15.html
"Look, I love women," she said, "but you have to be able to put together a complete sentence. You know, like when you're talking to those doggone foreign leaders?"
Follette then winked at me. She designed the wink to be Palinesque — "as perky as it is phony."
:lolspoiler (click to show/hide)Am I a stalker for looking her up on facebook :-\[close]
McCain NEVER had a chance to win Washington State.
The Gubernatorial race may be ridiculously close, but we were always going to go for Obama.
:bow THE POWER OF SEATTLE :bow2
The "traditional" likely voter model, which Gallup has employed for past elections, factors in prior voting behavior as well as current voting intention. This has generally shown a closer contest, reflecting the fact that Republicans have typically been more likely to vote than Democrats in previous elections. Today's results show Obama with a two-point advantage over McCain using this likely voter model, 49% to 47%, this is within the poll's margin of error. -- Frank Newport
Every poll except likely voter polls, pd. smh.
For polling data released during the week of October 12-18, 2008, the partisan weighting targets used by Rasmussen Reports will be 39.3% Democratic, 33.0% Republican, and 27.7% unaffiliated.http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
Democrats 391 (35%)http://www.dailykos.com/dailypoll/2008/9/19
Republicans 278 (26%)
The tracking poll has a baseline of 1100 likely voters nationwide.
I've had it on CNN for a bit (background noise) and if I hear "Joe Plumber" one more time, I'm going to kill a middle aged white guy.
Wurzelbacher also acknowledged that he had no specific plans for buying Newell’s business, saying he and Newell had simply talked about the idea from time to time. He might have difficulty making the purchase: Court records from his divorce show that Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006.
Even if he did buy Newell Plumbing and Heating, Obama’s tax plan wouldn’t affect him. While Wurzelbacher told Obama that he would be taxed at a higher rate because the company grossed more than $250,000 a year, Ohio business records show the company’s estimated total annual revenue as only $100,000. Actual taxable income would be even less than that.
In any event, Obama’s tax plan specifies that the higher rate would apply only to income above the $250,000 threshold. Assuming Wurzelbacher’s income as owner somehow hit $280,000 — the top end of his supposition of the company’s revenue — only the extra $30,000 would be taxed at a higher rate.
Analysts calculated that the extra tax would amount to $900, which would likely be more than offset by separate provisions of Obama’s plan: a 50 percent tax credit for health care and elimination of the capital gains tax for small businesses.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27221645/
What a fitting example for the Republicans to use. Screw reason and truthfulness, this is politics!
What a fitting example for the Republicans to use. Screw reason and truthfulness, this is politics!
someone on GAF made a great post about how this seems like a guy who is middle class at best, yet is far more concerned with his aspirations of joining the financial elite that he forgets that they don't give a shit about him. He made $40,000 last year and is acting like he's on the cusp of making $250,000 profits as a plumber. My dad has his own dental practice and doesn't bring home that much in profit :lol
Plumbers make a lot of money "under the table."
Plumbers make a lot of money "under the table." Joe, therefore, probably makes a lot more than he reports.
Black people who dont vote for Obama should be lynched. AMIRITE guys?
If he was a plant the McCain camp would make double sure he meets qualifications like BEING REGISTERED TO VOTE
Atlas Shrugged has been on my mind a great deal these past few weeks. I don't hold with Ayn Rand on everything -- her view of what constitutes "morality," for example, is in complete opposition to my closely held religious faith. And she could have used a good editor; the damn book could have been half its size but just as effective. However, Rand did have incredible foresight into the political and socioeconomic ills that were occurring around her and that abound, nearly unchecked, in our world of 2008.
Apparently, I'm not the only person who has been thinking along these lines -- for example, see Ask Dr. Helen's article "Is It Time to 'Go John Galt'?". This is very much the question that has been plaguing me: what will I be doing in response to the presidential election?
Regardless of the outcome of next month's election, a great deal of pain lies ahead for most Americans. The American financial market and business environment are currently in big trouble -- either in complete meltdown or overdue correction, depending on your viewpoint -- and the heavily burdened American taxpayers have been handed the tab for the "fix" instituted by politicians.
If McCain/Palin should win the election:
Senator McCain, I've never been a big supporter of you -- I don't like your past and/or present positions on illegal aliens, the First Amendment, oil drilling, etc. However, I'm supporting you in this election for two reasons: your excellent (and surprising) choice of a vice presidential candidate, and your recent apparent modifications of your positions on some issues.
However, be very clear about one fact: you are this country's last RINO politician. Should you carry the day, I am going to stay on top of your policies and positions. If I may channel Steinbeck for a moment… When you propose opening America's doors to illegal aliens, I'll be there. When you start to discuss limiting the freedom of speech, I'll be there. When you start waxing rhapsodic about the phony science of "man-made global warming," I'll be there, too. To paraphrase a line from your acceptance speech: "I will make you famous, and others will know your name." Betray me -- as I have been betrayed in the past, time and time again, by Republican politicians too numerous to count -- and I will be at the front of the pack, demanding your ouster.
Governor Palin… what can I say? "You had me at 'Hello'." I was a proponent of you running for president at the beginning of 2008, at a time when most Americans (outside of Free Republic) had no idea who you were. You have my encouragement, my support, and my admiration. The only warning I will give to you is to stay on McCain's tail in those areas where he is deficient: energy policy, "immigration" (i.e., dealing with illegal aliens), constitutional rights, and -- heaven help us -- "crossing the aisle" to work with the enemies of this country (viz., Democrats). Steer him in the right directions, with your wit, your charm, and your plainspoken manner, and we'll have him turned around in no time.
The economic situation is very bad. I'm counting on the two of you to help move this country back to a pro-growth, pro-capitalism, pro-America world view.
If Obama bin Biden should win the election:
If this scenario occurs, it will be catastrophic, as it will likely be accompanied by a Democrat takeover of both houses of Congress. American voters (including Deceased Americans and those allowed to vote more than once) will have elected their first openly Communist president.
For years, we have heard liberals throw around (incorrectly) the word fascist in supposed reference to conservatives. If the Obama ticket prevails, bona fide, literal fascism will soon be coming to a street corner near you. Should this nightmare come to pass, I -- and many tens of millions of others, I suspect -- will be implementing any of a number of possible actions, including the following:
* I promise you, Mr. Hussein Obama, my income will disappear from the books, to the greatest extent that I am able to carry it out. This may involve setting up foreign trusts, working under the table, putting money in tax-free investments, participating in barter systems in my local area (perhaps even with a homemade local currency), shopping in tax-free zones, etc. But I will never allow you to get your hands on my hard-earned money to "share the wealth" according to your godless, communistic worldview. When you try to implement your trillions of dollars of liberal spending and bad debt, let your well-heeled Hollywood supporters foot the bill -- because my dollars won't be there anymore.
* If I have children, I will pull them out of the indoctrination camps currently known as the public school system; I will encourage others to do the same. And I will support financially those organizations that fight in the public arena against those who wish to ban homeschooling, which will become the new "last line of defense" against the brainwashing of this country's citizenry.
* My privacy will become a paramount concern, even more so than it is now. Whatever new hardware and software products become available to guard against government snooping, I will employ them. As government spooks find ways to crack these safeguards, I will align with the hackers and phreaks who continually search for ways to stay one step ahead. I will employ anonymizers, new firewall technologies, satellite hookups -- heck, even ham radios and Aldis lamps, if they'll help -- if they will maintain my privacy and keep your thugocratic government out of my life.
* My Second Amendment rights will not be infringed -- not by you and not by your thugs. The moment you try to take any steps against gun owners, you will instantly create the largest "black market" that the world has ever seen -- one that will exist in every state, every county, every town. Should you ever try to restrict or eliminate my right, then I and 50 million other gun owners, in the spirit of Thomas Jefferson, will peaceably assemble in Washington and not leave until you have been removed from office.
* Your support of the twin cultures of death (abortion) and degeneracy ("norming" of homosexuality) will not go unchallenged. Through every means available, I will fight your support of these horrors and expose your double-talking support of them.
* Don't even think about trying to suppress the voice of the people. You and your criminal accomplices in the Capitol may try to revive the so-called "Fairness Doctrine"; you may try to regulate newspapers and television; you certainly will try to clamp down on the Internet. But information always has prevailed and it always will -- even if we return to the days of wood-carved letterpresses, messages sewn into coat linings, or notes passed from horseback rider to horseback rider.
* As for your Muslim connections and your anti-Christian policies…. well, you've done a poor job trying to hide them, even as you present yourself to the foolish and the stupid as "a man of belief." I have no doubt that you would soon begin to move against those who believe in Christ and who try to live His teachings. But your efforts ultimately will fail -- my people started in the catacombs; being forced back there will simply be like going home again.
There could be many, many more points made (I haven't even touched on energy policy and "global warming"), but these should suffice for now. Be warned, Mr. Hussein Obama: This country holds many Spartacuses. For every one you and your jackbooted thugs cut down, two more will rise to take his place.
may channel Steinbeck for a moment… When you propose opening America's doors to illegal aliens, I'll be there. When you start to discuss limiting the freedom of speech, I'll be there. When you start waxing rhapsodic about the phony science of "man-made global warming," I'll be there, too
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2107676/postsQuotesnip
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2107676/postsQuotesnip
:wtf :wtf :wtf
That's a very interesting case of paranoid-narcissistic-antisocial disorder.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2107676/postsQuotesnip
:wtf :wtf :wtf
That's a very interesting case of paranoid-narcissistic-antisocial disorder.
yes, but what about the content of his post?
Is it not fair that those who receive the most benefits from society also contribute the most to the maintenance and well-being of that society?if you register under a welfare democracy suchas in many ueropean countries...sure. and there's nothing inherently wrong with registering yourself under that belief, at least in my moderate political view. but you also gotta ask other questions. Like, how can govt - the supposed representative of the collective will of society - ensure that tax money is well spent, is not bribed away, or wasted, etc.
I can't see both sides, and I dont really want to. There aren't many things I believe in strongly enough to soapbox, but giving back to the society you benefit from is one of those things. Pay it forward or go live in a cabin somewhere.indeed, taxation along with some degree of governmental oversight and regulation is one of the pre requisites of a civilization [as opposed to social darwinism, which many lolbertarians advocate].
Is it not fair that those who receive the most benefits from society also contribute the most to the maintenance and well-being of that society?if you register under a welfare democracy suchas in many ueropean countries...sure. and there's nothing inherently wrong with registering yourself under that belief, at least in my moderate political view. but you also gotta ask other questions. Like, how can govt - the supposed representative of the collective will of society - ensure that tax money is well spent, is not bribed away, or wasted, etc.
this complaint would not exist if government was automatically well vested in maximizing tax money for the good of all its poeples.
i'm the kind of person who usually goes against the grain of what has happened around me. the idiocy of the conservative movement - mostly from the social conservatists, but a little bit from the political conservatists as well - as gotten me tired of small govt. So really at this stage, the main reason i support more regulation as espoused by obama is because i'm sick and tired of the failure of the attempt at deregulation so far....not because i believe more regulation is better per se.Is it not fair that those who receive the most benefits from society also contribute the most to the maintenance and well-being of that society?if you register under a welfare democracy suchas in many ueropean countries...sure. and there's nothing inherently wrong with registering yourself under that belief, at least in my moderate political view. but you also gotta ask other questions. Like, how can govt - the supposed representative of the collective will of society - ensure that tax money is well spent, is not bribed away, or wasted, etc.
this complaint would not exist if government was automatically well vested in maximizing tax money for the good of all its poeples.
Unfortunately, some tax dollars will always be used inefficiently, some tax dollars will often be used pointlessly, and some tax dollars will occasionally be used criminally to enrich large corporations who win no-bid contracts. A perfect allocation of tax dollars will never happen. Tax payers, therefore, have to live with some of their money being spent badly.
There should be a thread where the only posters are laesperanzapaz, The Experiment, and am nintenho.oooh.
I can't see both sides, and I dont really want to. There aren't many things I believe in strongly enough to soapbox, but giving back to the society you benefit from is one of those things. Pay it forward or go live in a cabin somewhere.indeed, taxation along with some degree of governmental oversight and regulation is one of the pre requisites of a civilization [as opposed to social darwinism, which many lolbertarians advocate].
the key question mark is the "degree" part of that above statement.
Damn these pundits are hammering on the "Spread the wealth" thing. Some douche was on GMA this morning saying how the average American doesn't like the govt. taking their money for programs. They are conveniently leaving out that the it is not the average American who's wealth is going to be spread. Chalk up another lie.
um, 'american'? ok.
in any case, globalism [which is what you're referring to] has had enormous consequences, both negative and positive, depending largely on which end of the barrel of Globalism you're facing. I'd argue globalism's enormous positive results are slightly larger than its almost equally enormous negative results.
and to the gist of what Joe Plumber and I was referring to: the qquestion of whether more success merits higher giveback towards society at large [aka taxing] is quite a fundamental debate, one where i can see both sides. Capital accumulation, even massive ones, is the strongest known motivator for succeeding in history; obviously the seriose side effects associated with it wawrrants debate.
man i can spell.
If they keep this up and do the right thing on the 4th, I might not want to build a wall around the state.
(http://s.buzzfeed.com/static/imagebuzz/2008/10/15/21/56f4973861dad49acc7ebf4fca77a853.jpg)
That comic is awesome.
*claps*
Colin Powell is going to be on Meet the Press this week. Politico is reporting that it may be to endorse Senator Government.
It's still fun to see it in summary.That comic is awesome.
*claps*
meh, it's just an eight panel monologue of an obvious take.
Palin sez im not American :(
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/palin-clarifies-what-part_n_135641.html
it's american to marry a secessionist WHAT WHAT
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27243547#27243547
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27243729#27243729
I've always enjoyed the slow needling Matthews over the CRAZY LIBRUL one. I love when he just asks her 'so whats the connection, liberals are unamerican?'
This kinda shit will kill swing votes for the republicans, because if you arent with the pubs all the way YOU R UNAMERICAN
fuck small town america.
Dude's up over 60k today from his campaign spokespeople. Minnesota is going to probably boot her out for saying something like that, Minnesota folk are pretty sane people.
So a canvasser goes to a woman's door in Washington, Pennsylvania. Knocks. Woman answers. Knocker asks who she's planning to vote for. She isn't sure, has to ask her husband who she's voting for. Husband is off in another room watching some game. Canvasser hears him yell back, "We're votin' for the n***er!"
Woman turns back to canvasser, and says brightly and matter of factly: "We're voting for the n***er."
In this economy, racism is officially a luxury. How is John McCain going to win if he can't win those voters? John Murtha's "racist" western Pennsylvania district, where this story takes place, is some of the roughest turf in the nation. But Barack Obama is on the ground and making inroads due to unusually strong organizing leadership.
Since Michelle Bachman opened her dumb, McCarthyism spewing mouth on Hardball at around 5:30 or so today her opponent has raised about 40k for his campaign.
Since Michelle Bachman opened her dumb, McCarthyism spewing mouth on Hardball at around 5:30 or so today her opponent has raised about 40k for his campaign.
Wait, her seat is actually at risk?
Is there somewhere online I can donate to her opponent?
I remember one of you had a great link (Prole maybe?) shooting down the "liberals caused this by forcing banks to take on bad loans" talking point. Repost plz?
Damn these pundits are hammering on the "Spread the wealth" thing. Some douche was on GMA this morning saying how the average American doesn't like the govt. taking their money for programs. They are conveniently leaving out that the it is not the average American who's wealth is going to be spread. Chalk up another lie.
"We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. We believe" -- here the audience interrupted Palin with applause and cheers -- "We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation. This is where we find the kindness and the goodness and the courage of everyday Americans. Those who are running our factories and teaching our kids and growing our food and are fighting our wars for us. Those who are protecting us in uniform. Those who are protecting the virtues of freedom."http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/17/palin-clarifies-what-part_n_135641.html
Damn these pundits are hammering on the "Spread the wealth" thing. Some douche was on GMA this morning saying how the average American doesn't like the govt. taking their money for programs. They are conveniently leaving out that the it is not the average American who's wealth is going to be spread. Chalk up another lie.
More importantly they are distorting his comments, and not even calling McCain out on this. Obama pointed out that if everyone had more money to spend due to tax cuts they'd be able to afford Joe's imaginary plumbing business, thus he'd benefit and hence money would be spread around that way - people with more money in their pocket can spread it. It's amazing that the media has sat by and let this blatant distortion breath.
I remember one of you had a great link (Prole maybe?) shooting down the "liberals caused this by forcing banks to take on bad loans" talking point. Repost plz?
This has been swatted down all over and I forget where the most popular thing was posted, but here's a starting point: http://www.businessweek.com/investing/insights/blog/archives/2008/09/community_reinv.html
It links to some other places too, if you want to click through.
Call it "Spread the wealth" if you want. I call it getting my money back.Damn these pundits are hammering on the "Spread the wealth" thing. Some douche was on GMA this morning saying how the average American doesn't like the govt. taking their money for programs. They are conveniently leaving out that the it is not the average American who's wealth is going to be spread. Chalk up another lie.
More importantly they are distorting his comments, and not even calling McCain out on this. Obama pointed out that if everyone had more money to spend due to tax cuts they'd be able to afford Joe's imaginary plumbing business, thus he'd benefit and hence money would be spread around that way - people with more money in their pocket can spread it. It's amazing that the media has sat by and let this blatant distortion breath.
actually, that IS spreading the wealth. For me, I support Obama's method of spreading the wealth to his degree, but in any case: it IS spreading the wealth. and it IS closer to socialism than NOT spreading the wealth. it's all ideologies, yuou see.
@ Green: Obama opposed it because it had no protection for the mother's health. It specifically came up in the last debate.
Polling locations here in the Triangle area of North Carolina are moving at a pretty brisk pace still today. We're absolutely slaughtering the Republicans here in early voting and I really don't see any sign of that slowing down just yet.
I'm tasked for six hours of canvassing tomorrow and a shift of poll workin' on Monday. All of us here are working under the notion that 'if all else fails, the burden is on us to pull off the upset'.
Damn these pundits are hammering on the "Spread the wealth" thing. Some douche was on GMA this morning saying how the average American doesn't like the govt. taking their money for programs. They are conveniently leaving out that the it is not the average American who's wealth is going to be spread. Chalk up another lie.
More importantly they are distorting his comments, and not even calling McCain out on this. Obama pointed out that if everyone had more money to spend due to tax cuts they'd be able to afford Joe's imaginary plumbing business, thus he'd benefit and hence money would be spread around that way - people with more money in their pocket can spread it. It's amazing that the media has sat by and let this blatant distortion breath.
The other ideaology says you cut taxes on companies and small businesses. They have more money to hire and pay. They expand and hire and pay... and then those workers hire a plumber or more importantly they have good paying jobs, security and they feel comfortable spending which in turn grows the economy. You can't raise taxes on small businesses and corporations and grow the economy and you especially can't do it in a recession. For what Obamas entitlement programs are going to "spread" or who they're going to be spread to, it won't matter. Those people won't be able to afford a plumber anyway.
From black rights in the 60's to President Barack Hussein Obama it's almost unreal. Hopefully the poll numbers hold true.
I've done all I could do though: donated to his campaign twice, voted for him in the early vote in Iowa, a secure Obama state. Not much more I can do except maybe donate one more time.
The other ideaology says you cut taxes on companies and small businesses. They have more money to hire and pay. They expand and hire and pay... and then those workers hire a plumber or more importantly they have good paying jobs, security and they feel comfortable spending which in turn grows the economy. You can't raise taxes on small businesses and corporations and grow the economy and you especially can't do it in a recession. For what Obamas entitlement programs are going to "spread" or who they're going to be spread to, it won't matter. Those people won't be able to afford a plumber anyway.First of all, a company claiming their profits that are in the realms of the 'socialism tax' area are still doing amazingly fine. Knowing, as this profitable business owner paying this higher tax, that my core workers(the ones that make the business profitable) are better off because I pay a little more should be the icing on the cake of life. The increase these much more well off people are bitching about make me hate them all the more
From black rights in the 60's to President Barack Hussein Obama it's almost unreal. Hopefully the poll numbers hold true.yes but you might not wanna put too much analogies to the 60s with obama. you know.
In an exclusive interview with 12 News, 58 year-old Nancy Takehara of Chicago says she was going door-to-door when she came across a disgruntled homeowner.
“The next thing I know he’s telling us we’re not his people, we’re probably with ACORN, and he started screaming and raving,” Takehara said. “He grabbed me by the back of the neck. I thought he was going to rip my hair out of my head. He was pounding on my head and screaming. The man terrified me.”
Colin Powell endorses Obama. (http://voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix/2008/10/powell_endorses_obama.html?nav=rss_blog)
The bit about the Muslim FUD tactics at 4:30 is good.
Rush Limbaugh said Colin Powell's decision to get behind Barack Obama appeared to be very much tied to Obama's status as the first African-American with a chance to become president.http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/
"Secretary Powell says his endorsement is not about race," Limbaugh wrote in an email. "OK, fine. I am now researching his past endorsements to see if I can find all the inexperienced, very liberal, white candidates he has endorsed. I'll let you know what I come up with."
As for Powell's statement of concern this morning about the sort of Supreme Court justices a President McCain might appoint, Limbaugh wrote: "I was also unaware of his dislike for John Roberts, Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, Anthony Kennedy and Antonin Scalia. I guess he also regrets Reagan and Bush making him a four-star [General] and Secretary of State and appointing his son to head the FCC. Yes, let's hear it for transformational figures."
What the fuck was the point of Palin even being on SNL tonight? She didn't do a damn thing.
I'm surprised she was cool with that rap. I can't believe she just sat there and took it. Did she understand the point of it?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/racist-obama-effigy-hung_n_135971.html
this is MORE wtf.
LOL at the misspelled hussein and the star of david.
LOL at the misspelled hussein and the star of david.
An America hating Muslim who carries water for the Jews
You can't make this stuff up
Posted Oct 30, 2008 9:00 PM:o
Powell, like Rice, is a republican but is rather liberal on social views; that makes Rush's SC comments quite puzzling. I'm not surprised that he's dismissing this as Powell "voting for the black guy." Drudge is insinuating it on his front page.
Can't wait to hear McCain surrogates attack Powell's judgment and (possibly?) character next week. Or will they simply roll out a list of REAL generals who support McCain
Powell, like Rice, is a republican but is rather liberal on social views; that makes Rush's SC comments quite puzzling. I'm not surprised that he's dismissing this as Powell "voting for the black guy." Drudge is insinuating it on his front page.
Can't wait to hear McCain surrogates attack Powell's judgment and (possibly?) character next week. Or will they simply roll out a list of REAL generals who support McCain
FINALLY AN ARREST IN THIS VOTER REGISTRATION FRAUD CONTROVERSY
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-fraud20-2008oct20,0,3842357.storyspoiler (click to show/hide)A republican :rofl[close]
It seems that right-wing boards have reached a consensus that Powell only supports Obama because of race.
It's like they didn't listen to the 5+ minutes of Powell delineating his reasons for supporting Obama. It's completely ridiculous. Why can't these fucktards just get raptured away already?
I love the 'Wildcard, bitches!' aspect of this move but I must ask the more knowledgeable: Why on earth did Powell wait so long? Is this bandwagon-jumping or did it really take him so long to compile his list of grievances with the Bush administration? Come on now, he must have been working on them for years.
Still, regardless of his motivations, this seems like a killer blow to McCain's hopes.
If Powell wanted to run he would have done it in 1996. He's in his seventies now.
Degenerates slash the tires of more than 30 cars outside of an Obama rally in Fayetteville, NC. (http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=307949)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/19/mccain-counters-powell-en_n_135954.html
Victory from evil. (http://emptywheel.firedoglake.com/2008/10/20/mi-republicans-admit-to-illegal-foreclosure-scheme-surrender-to-democrats/) The fucking nerve of the republicans drives up my blood pressure. :maf
ACORN has nothing to do with Obama.
I was raised by my grandmother and am from a military family. Everyone is a Republican. I was the first to go to college and am finishing up my graduate degree. ...http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/The_personal_election.html?showall
I am currently in a relationship with a black man in what John McCain would describe as the "real Virginia." My family, after three years, are just now becoming comfortable, if you want to call it that, with my boyfriend. They claim that he isn't like all of the other *****.
Before my grandmother died, she left me with a note that she didn't want me to open until she died. I opened that letter. My grandmother — who has never referred to blacks appropriately — had [early] voted for Obama. She called him a "socialist" in her letter but she voted for him because she said that maybe the values that her parents instilled in her, which was to hate anyone that didn't look like her, would not be passed on if people saw Obama in office.
It was especially touching given my current relationship, and I honestly believe that there are many others out there just like my grandmother. Take it for what it's worth but I believe that Obama will not only win my home state of Virginia, and that includes doing well in the "real Virginia" as well as win this election.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07kO9TtHYzQ
READING IS FUNDAMENTAL!
A golden oldie returns. Watch the whole thing!
Within the first 6 months of being sworn in, Obama will make the case that Iran is planning an attack on Israel as a way of testing to see how tough Obama is on foreign policy. He will say that he has plenty of evidence, supplied by the (thanks to the Bush administration) fully-funded intelligence agencies. Using Iraq War II as precedent, he will launch a pre-emptive war against Iran. This new war won't be popular with most of America, but thanks to his incredible speechmaking, and his brilliant diplomacy, the Obama administration will not call this a "war" (which would need Congress), or even a "police action", which implies some ethical responsibility - instead he will label it a "holy crusade" against the towel-heads. This will make him instantly popular among the "war party" (the solid core that remained after the crumbling of the Republican party after McCain's defeat), who will totally turn around on Obama and back him to the hilt. The peaceniks and other liberals will object, and in response, their patriotism will be questioned by the new "war party". The war party will call anyone who opposes the war un-american, will question their citizenship, will sick INS on them, and will tell them to go back to France. When faced with criticism about a pre-emptive war, Obama will respond that not attacking would be surrendering to Iran, and that he owes it to the American people to never surrender.
Faced with too few troops to effectively open up a third front, Obama will combine his two middle-east foreign policy plans, turning the withdrawal from Iraq into a surge into Iran, by telling everyone in Iraq to "just run in the direction they all pray, and shoot anything you see." Although this rapid troop withdrawal from Iraq will leave a dangerous power vacuum, it should turn out ok because many people have been saying that Iran was the one inciting all the problems in Iraq anyway.
That still won't be enough troops though. Fortunatly, Obama has a plan:
He'll encourage all illegal aliens to join the Army with the promise that they'll be granted citizenship at the end of their tour - and those that don't come on their own, he'll collect via INS. Then they will be thrown with minimal training and armament into the most dangerous, and most suicidal missions. Those that survive will have their tours lengthened indefinitely. And since they aren't citizens, they have no recourse to complain. Also, they don't speak English. This plan will be popular with both conservatives that hate illegal immigration, and liberals who thought they were going to get drafted. In a bi-partisan show of support, the vigilante border patrols will be augmented by conservatives and liberals alike, trying to lure Mexicans across the border with the promise of candy.
In the second (and longer term) part of his plan, Obama will personally overturn Roe vs. Wade, and will take all the unwanted infants and give them to the military, where they will be raised as Perfect Killing Machines in DARPA programs. Those that criticize the program and say that we won't see any results for, like, 18 years will be reminded how they didn't seem to care when offshore drilling wouldn't actually do anything for 10 years.
Holy crusades are expensive though, even if you aren't arming your troops, and the economy will still be in the crapper, so Obama - seeing where the money is - will nationalize the banks and all the oil companies. With the oil industry finally in government hands, he will use his monopoly to raise the price of gas. This will have several great benefits: the government will be swimming in cash, people will be encouraged to consume less oil, and it will jump-start the alternative fuel industry.
In another stunning move to augment government revenue, Obama will also decriminalize most drugs, and will task the DEA with selling drugs to the American peolpe. In a crossover program, the DEA will team up with the USPS to lace the lickable backs of stamps with LSD in an attempt to get more people hooked.
Even with these direct-sales programs by the government, taxes will still the primary source of revenue for the government. And the best way to increase tax revenue is to make sure that the lower and middle-classes have more money in their bank accounts. To help facilitate this, Obama will impose trade sanctions on the United States, preventing the import of all cars, clothes, and consumer electronics. After one supertanker full of pokemon toys crashes into Harbor Island in an attempt to land their illicit goods, the administration will enforce the sanctions with a naval blockade.
With nothing else to spend their money on, Americans will be able to to pay much higher taxes. These tax increases will be sold to citizens under the guise of a "tax cut for the middle class". When asked who the middle-class is that will be receiving an actual tax "cut" instead of a tax "increase", Obama will reply "STFU" and will ask them if they want some candy.
Finally, Obama will reveal his true character - the Obama he hid so well during the campaigns. With a holy crusade raging in the east, the government cashing in on an economic disaster at home with huge taxes, and by selling drugs to the American people, Obama will reveal himself as That Wealth-Spreading One. He will seize the accounts and assets of all citizens making over $250,000 a year (singly, or $450,000 a year if filing jointly), and will hand these greedy greed-mongers over to the newly formed National Inquisition Agency, where they will be tortured until they reveal all their money-making secrets, and until they reveal where they are hiding their Jew Gold.
Obama will then redistribute this collected wealth to the American people. One week later, he will raise taxes sufficiently to recollect all that money. If anyone complains, he will say that paying taxes is patriotic. If anyone keeps complaining, he will hold a match under their birth certificate, and ask them if they really want to go to Iran.
And that's why I'm voting for Obama.
King 5 News - September 14th, 2009
As we enter the 9th week of the Holy Crusade against the evil, villainous dictatorship of Iran, Supreme Commander In Chief, President of the LSAaM (Liberated States of America (and Mexico) Obama has issued a disparaging statement regarding the United Nations lack of support to the crusade effort:
"The UN is vistigial entity. It used to be a place to bring the plights of the world into the conscienceness of the global leaders and mandate that change be made. Sadly, in recent years the mandates have not aligned with our priorities. Therefore - whether or not the UN approves - we've just been doing what we want. What, are they going to send the French Army to stop us? I salute you! [President Obama raises both arms similar to an NFL official signaling a touchdown ... or like someone surrendering]
haha, so absurd
hmm, what is this?
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html
Looks like Obama's been getting alot of foreign donations and using them.
And also using money he legally has to give back because the donations were too high.
:(
hmm, what is this?
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html
Looks like Obama's been getting alot of foreign donations and using them.
And also using money he legally has to give back because the donations were too high.
:(
:lol :lol :lol
hmm, what is this?
http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/obama_illegal_donations/2008/10/19/141979.html
Looks like Obama's been getting alot of foreign donations and using them.
And also using money he legally has to give back because the donations were too high.
:(
and since I figured that the site would be slammed, I posted other sites that have stories on his contributions being illegal and such. :)
The article, not to mention the entire page is so self-serving and slanted :lol
and since I figured that the site would be slammed, I posted other sites that have stories on his contributions being illegal and such. :)
The article, not to mention the entire page is so self-serving and slanted :lol
and since I figured that the site would be slammed, I posted other sites that have stories on his contributions being illegal and such. :)
The article, not to mention the entire page is so self-serving and slanted :lol
So, let me get this straight. People gave illegally to Obama and he returned their cash.
I hate to be vulgar, but what's the big fucking deal, bitch?
smh guys :-\
My point is that the record isn't open to the public - like McCain's - so who knows what Obama could be hiding
Speaking in Massachusetts, Sen. Kerry refers to the famous "boxers or briefs" question posed to Bill Clinton in 1992:http://thepage.time.com/sen-kerrys-depends-joke/
"Barack got asked the famous boxers or briefs question. I was tempted to say commando."
"Then they asked McCain and McCain said, 'Depends.'"
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O'Reilly :bow
"Tell me if I'm wrong: in the 60s if a black personed abandoned her child, they were SHAMED by the black community. Today if a black person abandons their child it's COOL"
pretty LONG robocall but at least it's civil
Gah
I just got my absentee ballot, and there are some names I have nooooo clue about. Is there a site that lists every candidate and their issues so I can make an informed opinion? First couple results in Google didn't really help.
I'm in Ohio btw.
[youtube=425,350]JG8SZ3uKlxI&NR=1[/youtube]
O'Reilly :bow
"Tell me if I'm wrong: in the 60s if a black personed abandoned her child, they were SHAMED by the black community. Today if a black person abandons their child it's COOL"
[youtube=425,350]HzM6XCisBcI[/youtube]
"M.O. and B.O. flirt. M.O. playfully hits B.O. multiple times in a row" :lol :lol :lol
listen to the reporters gasp when she hits him.
Matthews has been awesome the past few weeks:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/27285413#27285413
[youtube=425,350]HzM6XCisBcI[/youtube]man i remember when you weren't so emotionally involved in his campaign
"M.O. and B.O. flirt. M.O. playfully hits B.O. multiple times in a row" :lol :lol :lol
listen to the reporters gasp when she hits him.
If you would post them in the election topic that would be great
Stop the ACLU?
Michelle Malkin?
The American Thinker?
The Employment Policies Institute (http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Employment_Policies_Institute)!?
It's almost like you're daring people to dismiss you, dude.
The defendants, who were paid employees and supervisors of ACORN, the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now, concocted the scheme as an easy way to get paid, not as an attempt to influence the outcome of elections, King County Prosecuting Attorney Dan Satterberg said.
Arde0 gets it.
One quibble: it's not "technically voter fraud". It's technically registration fraud. Voter fraud would be if they were somehow creating fake votes or letting people vote multiple times on election day.
Okay. Maybe there's no actual voter fraud going on, and I've just wasted a few dozen posts pretending to believe something that's obviously not true but in a hypothetical alternate Evilbore you're all hypocrites.
Ok, maybe thats the real truth and all there is to it, but if it were an organization that endorsed John McCain and not Obama, I feel this board would probably be even more vindictive against the group.
But that's just my opinion.
Quote from: GanhyunOkay. Maybe there's no actual voter fraud going on, and I've just wasted a few dozen posts pretending to believe something that's obviously not true but in a hypothetical alternate Evilbore you're all hypocrites.
Touche.
Posed here at Arde0's request:QuoteIf you would post them in the election topic that would be great
We were discussing Voter Registration Fraud.
Ok, maybe thats the real truth and all there is to it, but if it were an organization that endorsed John McCain and not Obama, I feel this board would probably be even more vindictive against the group.
But that's just my opinion.
Ok, maybe thats the real truth and all there is to it, but if it were an organization that endorsed John McCain and not Obama, I feel this board would probably be even more vindictive against the group.
But that's just my opinion.
Well, we'd be used to it by now, all considering the last two elections were decided by questionable methods. I live in Ohio for shit's sake, I would know.
edit:
Read up:
Diebold and the 2004 election (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_presidential_election_controversy,_voting_machines#Specific_issues_relating_to_Diebold_machines_and_practices)
edit 2: Well that didn't mention Diebold by name, but they're considered involved in the electronic voting machines section.
After all, if you can register 100,000 names who support your agenda, its more likely to be added as a big issue.
Ok, maybe thats the real truth and all there is to it, but if it were an organization that endorsed John McCain and not Obama, I feel this board would probably be even more vindictive against the group.
But that's just my opinion.
McCain has supported ACORN in the past.
the company willingly practices in the fraud to push their agenda/issues.
Ok, maybe thats the real truth and all there is to it, but if it were an organization that endorsed John McCain and not Obama, I feel this board would probably be even more vindictive against the group.
But that's just my opinion.
McCain has supported ACORN in the past.
I dont like ACORN. I dont care who supported or supports them. I feel that the company willingly practices in the fraud to push their agenda/issues.
But in this election ACORN did not endorse McCain for president, they endorsed Obama :)
Hey, let's talk about William Ayers!
Hey, let's talk about William Ayers!
REV WRIGHT HATES AMERICA
Hey, let's talk about William Ayers!
REV WRIGHT HATES AMERICA
Hey, let's talk about William Ayers!
REV WRIGHT HATES AMERICA
McCain still hasn't touched that one, even while pushing Ayers/ACORN, right?
I wonder if John Lewis' comments and the imagery of a black church being bombed actually kept McCain's campaign from going there.
After all, if you can register 100,000 names who support your agenda, its more likely to be added as a big issue.
What does this even mean?
Is there a Federal Registry of Big Issues that I'm not aware of?
Hey Ganhyun if the 2008 NCAA champion Georgia Bulldogs voted would that be voter fraud? No it wouldn't, because the 2008 NCCA Georgia Bulldogs don't exist
After all, if you can register 100,000 names who support your agenda, its more likely to be added as a big issue.
What does this even mean?
Is there a Federal Registry of Big Issues that I'm not aware of?
Oh, looking into the New Mexico voter registration fraud, apparantly they used those fraudulent voters registered to add a wage initiative to the ballot. This affected that election. Also, they found that of those, some had sent in absentee ballots to actually vote.
"Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.” "
After all, if you can register 100,000 names who support your agenda, its more likely to be added as a big issue.
What does this even mean?
Is there a Federal Registry of Big Issues that I'm not aware of?
Oh, looking into the New Mexico voter registration fraud, apparantly they used those fraudulent voters registered to add a wage initiative to the ballot. This affected that election. Also, they found that of those, some had sent in absentee ballots to actually vote.
"Four ACORN employees submitted as many as 3,000 potentially fraudulent signatures on the group’s Albuquerque ballot initiative. A local sheriff added: “It’s safe to say the forgery was widespread.” "
if you are going to continue this boring line of stupid attack please do it in this thread: http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=25841.0
Hey Ganhyun if the 2008 NCAA champion Georgia Bulldogs voted would that be voter fraud? No it wouldn't, because the 2008 NCCA Georgia Bulldogs don't exist
If the person doesn;'t exist and sends in a absentee ballot voting, then that is fraud.
So in your example, if they actually voted, yes.
If they were created to add signatures to an agenda ballot, yes thats fraud.
If they were added to just make money, thats voter registration fraud, as Mandark and others pointed out.
Hey Ganhyun if the 2008 NCAA champion Georgia Bulldogs voted would that be voter fraud? No it wouldn't, because the 2008 NCCA Georgia Bulldogs don't exist
If the person doesn;'t exist and sends in a absentee ballot voting, then that is fraud.
So in your example, if they actually voted, yes.
If they were created to add signatures to an agenda ballot, yes thats fraud.
If they were added to just make money, thats voter registration fraud, as Mandark and others pointed out.
Voter fraud and voter registration fraud are two entirely different things.
Voter fraud=Dead people casting ballots that are legitimately counted, or throwing legitimate ballots in the garbage
Voter registration fraud=Registering Matlock to vote.
Matlock, Micky Mouse, and the tons of other fake people ACORN has registered pose no danger to the legitimacy of election results because they won't be counted at the polls; Micky Mouse doesn't have a social security number or drivers license...because he doesn't exist. It's not hard to understand unless you have an agenda
I'd have to do more research on your claims about initiatives being added to ballots thanks to fraudulent signatures. That claim sounds far more plausible than the idea that a fake person could cast a ballot.
Mandark Rules #1 - ACORN Shit goes in HERE: http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=25841.0
I voted today. I'm a 33 year old, white criminal defense lawyer in southwest Kansas. The early voting is at the courthouse. I arrive to find 12 old white people occupying all the voting machines. I wait. A machine opens up. The 80 something white male who had been using the machine is now up at the front table asking if he can vote again. The lady running the table says "no, one person, one vote." He replies, "well, I just want to make sure we don't have some terrorist running the country."http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
This obviously catches my attention so I look at the old man. Our eyes meet. He points a bony finger at me and says, "Don't let it happen." Thinking this old man could one day kill someone and need my services, I don't say anything and proceed to vote.
As I'm leaving the voting room, the young black janitor is in the hallway in front of the room with his cleaning cart. "Did you do the right thing?" he asks me. "You know it." I say and we exchange a terrorist fist jab.
Mandark Rules #1 - ACORN Shit goes in HERE: http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=25841.0
and after thinking it over, I took it there. So fuck off MAF.
Mandark Rules #1 - ACORN Shit goes in HERE: http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=25841.0
and after thinking it over, I took it there. So fuck off MAF.
WTF dude, are you saying you hate me because I live in the NW?
MAF hates the south?
Class LOLZfare is more like it. I donate thousands of dollars each year to various charities, I just dont like the south.
I'm a bay area wine snob. Do i make the cut?
QuoteI voted today. I'm a 33 year old, white criminal defense lawyer in southwest Kansas. The early voting is at the courthouse. I arrive to find 12 old white people occupying all the voting machines. I wait. A machine opens up. The 80 something white male who had been using the machine is now up at the front table asking if he can vote again. The lady running the table says "no, one person, one vote." He replies, "well, I just want to make sure we don't have some terrorist running the country."http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/
This obviously catches my attention so I look at the old man. Our eyes meet. He points a bony finger at me and says, "Don't let it happen." Thinking this old man could one day kill someone and need my services, I don't say anything and proceed to vote.
As I'm leaving the voting room, the young black janitor is in the hallway in front of the room with his cleaning cart. "Did you do the right thing?" he asks me. "You know it." I say and we exchange a terrorist fist jab.
:lol
NEW YORK (Reuters) – Merrill Lynch & Co's (MER.N) head of strategy will likely leave the bank with as much as $25 million in compensation, while three other top executives are set to stay at the firm once it combines with Bank of America Corp (BAC.N), according to media reports.
The Wall Street Journal reported on Tuesday that Merrill's global strategy head, former Goldman Sachs executive Peter Kraus, will not stay on. Instead, he will pick up a paycheck worth $10 million to $25 million, the newspaper said.
Three other senior executives will be given positions at Bank of America, CNBC reported.
Greg Fleming, president and chief operating officer at Merrill, will be named head of corporate and investment banking, while Tom Montag, head of global sales and trading at Merrill, will take a similar role at Bank of America, according to CNBC.
Bob McCann, Merrill's vice chairman and president responsible for global wealth management, will head the wealth management business at Bank of America, the network said.
A Merrill Lynch spokeswoman was not immediately available for comment.
Its a very Cheney-esque way of looking at the VP role.
Its a very Cheney-esque way of looking at the VP role.
Cheney didnt run congress. Heck even LBJ was locked out of congress. LOL
Its a very Cheney-esque way of looking at the VP role.
Cheney didnt run congress. Heck even LBJ was locked out of congress. LOL
Cheney-esque in that she believes the VP gets to do shit aside from break tie votes in senate and wait as backup for Prez. Most VPs realize that at most they will be close council for the president.
The Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
WTF is wrong with Palin? Today she said that the vice president runs congress? :lol What a dumb ass. Mccain deserves to lose.
The VP gets the deciding vote if the senate vote is a tie. I think that's it.WTF is wrong with Palin? Today she said that the vice president runs congress? :lol What a dumb ass. Mccain deserves to lose.
I thought that the VP essentially was in control of the Senate, but it was largely a ceremonial position and the pro-tempore did most of the actual legwork.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlQuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlQuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlQuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlQuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
If a $400 haircut gets you ribbed on the late night circuit, I can't even imagine what $150,000 (!) should net you.
Jesus. That's SO much money.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlSocialism!!!!!!QuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/obama_campaign_selling_chicago.html
smh
I'm all for Obama but if he loses I might bust out laughing before jumping out the window
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/obama_campaign_selling_chicago.html
smh
I'm all for Obama but if he loses I might bust out laughing before jumping out the window
Wow at the comments.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/10/obama_campaign_selling_chicago.html
smh
I'm all for Obama but if he loses I might bust out laughing before jumping out the window
Wow at the comments.
now they're mad at obama for being a capitalist! WHAT'S A BROVA GOTTA DO
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlQuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
If a $400 haircut gets you ribbed on the late night circuit, I can't even imagine what $150,000 (!) should net you.
Jesus. That's SO much money.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlQuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/14805.htmlQuoteThe Republican National Committee appears to have spent more than $150,000 to clothe and accessorize vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin and her family since her surprise pick by John McCain in late August.
According to financial disclosure records, the accessorizing began in early September and included bills from Saks Fifth Avenue in St. Louis and New York for a combined $49,425.74.
The records also document a couple of big-time shopping trips to Neiman Marcus in Minneapolis, including one $75,062.63 spree in early September.
The RNC also spent $4,716.49 on hair and makeup through September after reporting no such costs in August.
Haha, GREAT NEWS FOR JOHN MCCCAIN!!!!!!!!!!1
Makes John Edwards seem a bit less distinguished mentally-challenged I suppose
sigh
Let's be fair here: this is a great step forward for the McCain campaign, considering that just ONE of Cindy McCain's RNC outfits cost like 300k. They're learning fiscal discipline!
Let's be fair here: this is a great step forward for the McCain campaign, considering that just ONE of Cindy McCain's RNC outfits cost like 300k. They're learning fiscal discipline!
Is there a source for this? How can you possibly spend 300 grand on a single outfit (assuming that it's not like, encrusted with diamonds)?
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/vanity-fair-estimates-cindy-mccains-outfit-cost-313-000/12776 (http://omg.yahoo.com/news/vanity-fair-estimates-cindy-mccains-outfit-cost-313-000/12776)
300,000 in diamonds will do that
The McCain campaign cannot possibly be as hapless as it looks, party leaders feel. It is lulling the Democrats into complacency. The Republicans have to have an October surprise, because the Republicans always have an October surprise.
Besides, the robocalls could work. Never underestimate the power of the robocalls. Because people really like getting robocalls, right?
You are at home, it is dinnertime (which is when they call you because they figure you are at home then), and you are either trying to relax or get the kids fed, and the phone rings and it is this recorded voice saying: “I’m calling for John McCain and the RNC because you need to know that Barack Obama has worked with domestic terrorist Bill Ayers.”
And does that make you feel more or less positive about John McCain? Does it persuade you that McCain has a plan to save the economy? Or to help you pay your mortgage? Or that he has a steady hand on the tiller?
For the robocalls to be effective, the Republicans would need Bill Ayers to plant bombs today and not when Barack Obama was 8 years old. They need Ayers to plant bombs in key states right now with stickers on them that say: “I am Barack Obama, and I endorse this bomb.”
But McCain may have found his October surprise after all. In Bensalem, Pa., on Tuesday, McCain said: “Now, I’m not dumb enough to get mixed up in a World Series between swing states. But I think I may have detected a little pattern with Sen. Obama. It’s pretty simple, really. When he’s campaigning in Philadelphia, he roots for the Phillies, and when he’s campaigning in Tampa Bay, he ‘shows love’ to the Rays.”
And rumors are now flying that McCain has proof that when Obama was in the second grade he once ate paste.
John Sidney McCain III (born August 29, 1936) is a compulsive cocksucker that cannot keep his pruny hands off of small children and is the senior United States Senator from Arizona and presidential nominee of the Republican Party in the 2008 presidential election.
From fivethirtyeight.com:
"Zogby gives Obama a 21-point lead nationwide among people who have already voted, and SurveyUSA and Civitas peg his advantage among early voters in North Carolina at around 20 and 30 points, respectively."
sux 2 b a republican
Five days after Rep. Michele Bachmann went on a McCarthy-esque rant suggesting Barack Obama was unpatriotic and urging the major newspapers of the country to investigate anti-American sentiment in Congress, the national Republican political parties are running for cover.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/22/gop-pulling-its-ads-from_n_136941.html
Two sources aware of ad buys in Minnesota say that the National Republican Congressional Committee is pulling its media purchases from Bachmann's race. If true, it is a remarkable fall for a congresswoman who, until recently, seemed relatively safe in her predominantly conservative district. The race had become closer in recent days -- the NRCC had transferred funds from Rep. Erik Paulsen (MN-03) to Bachmann a little over a week ago.
In the days following her appearance on Hardball, however, Bachmann has watched as her challenger, El Tinklenberg raised more than a million dollars off her incendiary remarks. That surge in fundraising put Bachmann's re-election in a far less certain position. Bachmann tried to stem the bleeding by telling the press she was sorry for her remarks. But with the national party now apparently pulling the plug, the situation has gone from bad to worse.
That sucks that your posts were deleted. I would have loved to read them and the replies to them. That forum is a serious nuthouse though.
Chris Matthews being an ass
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553
:lol :bow
Nancy is SO hot though
Chris Matthews being an ass
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553
:lol :bow
Nancy is SO hot though
A document provided to Washington Whispers from a House GOP official shows that they could lose a net 34 seats. That means the Democrats would have a 270-165 advantage in the 111th Congress. In the Senate, Republicans expect to lose also but to keep up to 44 seats, ensuring their ability to stage a filibuster.
Obama got up and said: “Don’t underestimate the capacity of Democrats to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Don’t underestimate our ability to screw it up.”
105 seat advantagePolitical genocide.
An internal poll from Sen. Barack Obama's campaign in Pennsylvania has him just two points ahead of Sen. John McCain, according to The Hill.
"WILK radio host Steve Corbett said Tuesday he obtained an Obama campaign e-mail about the internal poll showing a tight race." The Obama campaign "wouldn't confirm the internal poll numbers, but said that the e-mail was sent without permission."
Update: Apparently this poll was reported a week ago, though it's relevance is more interesting today considering the McCain campaign's recent actions.
needs to go into an Obama ad. Totally undercuts the socialist attacks
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Michigan State :usacry
Some Likely Voter Models are Suspect
There are eight current national polls that list separate sets of results for likely and registered voters. (In this case, for reasons that will be apparent momentarily, I am deliberately double-counting the two Gallup likely voter models). On average, Barack Obama leads by 9.8 points in the registered voter versions of these polls, but by 7.0 points in the likely voter versions -- nearly a 3-point difference:
Note, however, that the likely voter models appear to segregate themselves into two clusters. In one cluster, there is a rather large, 4-6 point difference between registered and likely voter results. In the other cluster, there is essentially no difference.
The first cluster coincides with Gallup's so-called "traditional" likely voter model, which considers both a voter's stated intention and his past voting behavior. The second cluster coincides with their "expanded" likely voter model, which considers solely the voter's stated intentions. Note the philosophical difference between the two: in the "traditional" model, a voter can tell you that he's registered, tell you that he's certain to vote, tell you that he's very engaged by the election, tell you that he knows where his polling place is, etc., and still be excluded from the model if he hasn't voted in the past. The pollster, in other words, is making a determination as to how the voter will behave. In the "expanded" model, the pollster lets the voter speak for himself.
Frankly, I find polls showing a 4-6 point gap between likely and registered voters to be utterly ridiculous. Why?
1. Among people who have already voted, Democrats lead overwhelmingly. Zogby pegs Barack Obama's advantage at 27 points among people who have already voted. The New York Times details how Democrats are overperforming, sometimes dramatically, in states where early voting is underway. (By the way, the New York Times' data on Florida is wrong, as it includes absentee ballot requests as well as early voters. According to an Open Left diarist, Democrats have a 24-point advantage among those who have actually voted early in Florida).
Pollsters ought to make certain that they're asking people whether they've already voted. Moreover, they ought to be putting these early voters through their likely voter models as a sanity check. That is, they should be testing to see whether a substantial number of people who have actually voted would in fact have been excluded by their likely voter screens. If the answer to this question is yes, they ought to be asking themselves whether their likely voter models have any basis in reality.
2. Enthusiasm is much higher among Democrats than among Republicans. The latest Diageo/Hotline numbers show that 72 percent of Democrats are enthusiastic about voting for their candidate, as opposed to 55 percent of Republicans.
3. Most likely voter models are unlikely to distinguish newly registered voters from what I would call lapsed registered voters. If someone is registered, and has been registered for a long while, but has not cast a ballot since they pulled the lever for Ross Perot in 1992, there is good reason to be skeptical about their intentions. On the other hand, voters who are newly registered have quite literally demonstrated their interest in the 2008 campaign; they are in fact quite likely to vote. Barack Obama's advantages are principally from among the newly-registered voter group.
4. There is an enormous discrepancy in the strength of the Republican and Democratic turnout operations. In past elections, such as 2004, this advantage favored the Republicans; in this one, it favors the Democrats. Barack Obama has somewhere between a 2:1 and a 4:1 advantage in field offices in most battleground states. He is relying almost exclusively on volunteers (the exception are a couple of cities like Philadelphia and Detroit, where Obama will most likely pay 'street money' to canvassers on Election Day). McCain, meanwhile, has already had to hire paid canvassers in Florida, and perhaps he will also in several other states.
5. Turnout among 'unlikely' voter blocks was substantially up during the Democratic primaries. Youth voters (18-29 year olds) increased their share of the Democratic electorate by 52 percent. Latino voters increased their share by 42 percent. Black voters increased their share by 8 percent.
I would like to issue a challenge to those pollsters like Franklin & Marshall and GfK which in spite of all the facts above, are showing a substantial shift toward the Republicans when they apply their likely voter models. E-mail me -- my contact information is at the top of the page -- and tell me why you think what you're doing is good science.
Gawd damn NeoBolsheviks...
I wish they really would get raptured away.
My layman's observation is that the economy is fucked. If things are not turned around by the 2010 midterms, it shouldn't be hard for Republicans to regain lost ground in Congress. And that's really what worries me most - that we will see another Clinton situation, where a Democrat occupies the White House but is rendered impotent by a fiercely conservative Congress.
If Obama wins, I think voters will recognize a couple years from now that he inherited a crappy situation, which I suppose is the upshot of having the housing bubble burst sooner rather than later.
I really really really don't want to see a backlash against the Dems in 2010, cause that's when the state legislatures get to gerrymander Congressional districts for the next decade.
Fuck the kids of rich people too. Most haven't done shit in life yet they feel an amazing amount of entitlement.
This is also why I'm kinda expecting the next president to be a one termer. Between the economic crisis and whatever the Iraq exit strategy ends up being, there's going to be a lot of ammunition to fire on the incumbents. Unless Obama hits a dinger and the Democrats in the House and Senate get together, they can clearly become easy targets. It's not like their behavior in the House and Senate in the past 2 years has inspired much confidence, either.
November forth is going to be very bad for the GOP. But, you're never as good as your best day and you're never as bad as your worst. I expect that over the next few months there will be tons and tons of people claiming that its the end of the Republican Party. Yada, yada, yada...
What's going to be missing from their triumphant conclusions is the massive overreach the DEMs are about to embark on with bullshit like this:
http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php (http://www.workforce.com/section/00/article/25/83/58.php)
There will be other types of overreaching of course. But, if they fuck up 401K programs in a way that affects people earning less than $250,000 per year, they will face the wrath of voters in 2010 and have a 1994 style debacle.
The Republican Party is atomizing, and each faction must participate in Project BLAME. The neocons may want to blame the theocons. The economic conservatives will likely blame the big spenders. The conflagration will be so multi-dimensional we'll need a program to sort out the players. They will need to answer fundamental questions: What does it mean to be a Republican? Do Republicans support laissez-faire or nationalized banking? Do Republicans support a balanced budget or half-trillion-dollar deficits? Do Republicans want a "humble foreign policy" like George W. Bush, or preventive war against countries that pose no threat, like, umm, George W. Bush? Are Republicans the party of limited government or a vast Medicare prescription drug benefit? Are they wary of Big Brother or eager to expand warrantless wiretaps? Do they support Christian values or torture? Are they the party that believes that cutting-edge technology can shoot a missile out of the sky or the party that believes humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously?
The rumor is Isakson is gonna run for Gubna and Tom Price would theoretically take his seat.
Anyway, saw this yesterday:
(http://i239.photobucket.com/albums/ff156/siamesedreamer7/NA-AT321_TAXES0_NS_20081020192823.gif)
Just think - only one more tax credit and they can achieve their goal of having >50% of all tax filers not paying any taxes! Its a built in voting majority!!!
Writing welfare into the tax code - Change we Need.
I don't like ripping stuff from PoliGAF but I thought it was interesting:
http://www.politico.com/playbook/1008/playbook471.html
The summary is that Republicans are beginning to abandon McCain.
McCain's latest flip flop against the 8 years of Bush is hilariously dumb. If he didn't want to make allies with the hard right, he never should have abandoned the moderates to go to the hard right in the first place with his piss poor October Surprise. He will find himself supported by neither, increasing the criticisms from the right wing about McCain, shaking the already frail confidence Republicans have over McCain.
I'm not a hopium distinguished mentally-challenged fellow but this is looking to be more and more of an Obama blowout than a moderate victory. McCain is absolutely trapped: he has burned almost all his bridges, has little money left with no relief in sight, a VP who seems to be going more and more astray to protect her own future, his own party supporters turning their backs on him...
The bigger challenge will be if the Dems can secure a supermajority in the Senate.
Carville and Begala implore Republicans to start playing the blame game. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-carville-and-paul-begala/let-the-blame-game-begin_b_136223.html)QuoteThe Republican Party is atomizing, and each faction must participate in Project BLAME. The neocons may want to blame the theocons. The economic conservatives will likely blame the big spenders. The conflagration will be so multi-dimensional we'll need a rogram to sort out the players. They will need to answer fundamental questions: What does it mean to be a Republican? Do Republicans support laissez-faire or nationalized banking? Do Republicans support a balanced budget or half-trillion-dollar deficits? Do Republicans want a "humble foreign policy" like George W. Bush, or preventive war against countries that pose no threat, like, umm, George W. Bush? Are Republicans the party of limited government or a vast Medicare prescription drug benefit? Are they wary of Big Brother or eager to expand warrantless wiretaps? Do they support Christian values or torture? Are they the party that believes that cutting-edge technology can shoot a missile out of the sky or the party that believes humans and dinosaurs walked the earth simultaneously?
:lol :lol :lol
http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/stumper/archive/2008/10/23/is-this-really-a-one-point-race.aspx
They've got Obama jumping the shark...
Definitely. Black people don't skate
Do they support Christian values or torture?
Definitely. Black people don't skate
maybe in michigan
in dc i used to know all 4 black skaters in the mid 90s
now there are a ton of them. from the cities and suburbs
it's really kind of awesome
"close to Detroit" pd, "close to Detroit"
As Biden tried to tie McCain to President Bush this morning, he slipped and referred the Republican nominee as “John McLane." He immediately recognized the mistake, and tried to roll with it.
“I don’t recognize him anymore. I used to know him well,” he said, before acknowledging it was “a bad joke.” The crowd laughed politely, anyway.
McCain: "Obama will say anything to get elected."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081023/ap_on_el_pr/mccain
Insert something about a pot and a kettle.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27347418#27347418
WOW
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27347418#27347418
WOW
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27347418#27347418
WOW
It amazes me that people are floating the idea of a Palin 2012 campaign. It's just laughable. She would not survive the first month of primaries.
Female vote on lock? Shes performing HORRIBLY with women. Dont you read stuff?
It should trouble everyone that this woman doesn't get what terrorism is, and that she's apparently hesitant to rip on abortion clinic bombers.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032553
David Corn: complete ownage on the socialism issue. Holy fuck
This has got to be the weirdest story of this election season so far. (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20081023/NEWS01/81023024)
Long story short- this morning there was a debate for the Kentucky Senate. A GOP operative by the entertaining name of Richard St. Onge III placed a recording device on Democratic candidate Bruce Lunsford's podium, apparently to catch him saying things while his microphone was off, for God knows what purpose. But Lunsford found the device and took it with him and gave it a staffer, who then erased it and gave it back. Which prompted the GOP to file a criminal complaint.
Huh?
You guys don't give Republicans enough credit. Her approval ratings are not superb, and the people that are latching onto her now are only doing so because she's the only option. She will not be able to stand against more competent rivals within the party.
I thought liberals were supposed to be good-hearted, open-minded and non-judgmental.
QuoteI thought liberals were supposed to be good-hearted, open-minded and non-judgmental.
i stopped reading there. i am open-minded, but definitely not good-hearted or non-judgmental.
okay, i lied: i read the whole wah wah thing, which was just bitter clown tears over a poorly-assembled strawman. christmas can't come early enough for that man! as for hate mail, i doubt it resonated with anyone enough to make fifty-something keypresses worth it.
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whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03fcGelz8Hw
Well, interesting read on CNN. I bet this guy got a lot of hate mail for this.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/23/navarrette.liberals/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
So what is the Bore's thoughts?
Well, interesting read on CNN. I bet this guy got a lot of hate mail for this.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/23/navarrette.liberals/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
So what is the Bore's thoughts?
Well, interesting read on CNN. I bet this guy got a lot of hate mail for this.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/23/navarrette.liberals/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
So what is the Bore's thoughts?
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whttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03fcGelz8Hw
My mom has lost 31, 000 on her investments since june. You guys better elect someone who's going to fix this shit. Tell Obama Canada is mad.
Well, interesting read on CNN. I bet this guy got a lot of hate mail for this.you know Ganhyun, to tell you the truth, i don't really have anything against you, but the way you criticize Obama Nation just provides me more evidence of how clueless cowards you guys are.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/23/navarrette.liberals/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
So what is the Bore's thoughts?
psst, taxes are a redistribution of wealth
that interview is insane
...anymore than just because John McCain wants to believe that if he suspends his campaign and makes serious faces in Washington that the economic crisis will be averted. That's magical thinking. It doesn't make it so just because you want something. Just because John McCain wants to be President does not mean that it must happen. That's the same magical thinking that really undid Hillary Clinton. It was like, "I don't need to put forward a compelling argument for my candidacy. My candidacy is a compelling argument for my candidacy. I want to be President. Obviously, you all know it's time. Let's get this over with." That wasn't good enough to go against somebody who I think really has looked at the reality of election, saw all the opportunities where he could make gains, saw that she was totally neglecting the caucus states, saw that that was a place where he could take an advantage, planned for it, took the advantage, and won. That's science. Do you know what I mean? That's reality triumphing over magical thinking.
Do I like Obama, personally? I do. Do I think he's got good policies? Look, I'm like everyone else, I hope so. They sound good. They sound like something I believe in, so I think based on his performance and the way that he has run his campaign, I feel that it is reasonable to feel confident that he is going to take the same discipline and smarts and lack of drama and apply them to the very serious issues today and I think that makes him a good choice for President. Do I think that his candidacy is historic? Sure, that's exciting too, but what I think it's really amazing that he exists in the same world that I also inhabit and no other political candidate lives in that world right now. They live in a made-up world that is not reality. I think that that's why you see Obama surging right now. It's that the people like the fact that Obama lives in the world that they live in.
There's something that occurred to me today. Certain people get angry at the thought of "spreading" or "distributing" wealth, but then they go and talk about trickle-down and supply side economics and whatnot. Isn't "spreading wealth" the basic idea of those concepts?
Redistribution Of Wealth
Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign the read 'Vote
Obama, I need the money.' I laughed.
Once in the restaurant my server had on a 'Obama 08' tie, again I
laughed--just imagine the coincidence.
When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him
that
I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there
in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to
someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server
angrily stormed from my sight.
I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server
inside as Ive decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was
grateful.
At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized
the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter
was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the
actual recipient deserved money more.
I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept
than in practical application. OR IS IT? REDISTRIBUTION OF SOMEONE ELSE'S
WEALTH IS A GREAT IDEA..............or just a fools political game!
For those among you who have more money than you will ever need, save your
time and delete this email.
For the rest of us who are still working with mortgages, children and
grandchildren or retired living on a pension and or Social Security perhaps
you will take a couple of minutes to read the proposed changes in the
American tax system.
Sharing this email with others can make a difference on November 4, 2008;
for our citizens and our country.
INTERESTING DATA JUST RECEIVED ON TAXES
This is something you should be aware of so you don't get blind-sided. This
is really going to catch a lot of families off guard. It should make you
worry.
Proposed changes in taxes after 2008 General election:
CAPITAL GAINS TAX
MCCAIN
0% on home sales up to $500,000 per home (couples) McCain does not propose
any change in existing home sales income tax.
OBAMA
28% on profit from ALL home sales
How does this affect you? If you sell your home and make a profit, you will
pay 28% of your gain on taxes. If you are heading toward retirement and
would like to down-size your home or move into a retirement community, 28%
of the money you make from your home will go to taxes. This proposal will
adversely affect the elderly who are counting on the income from their homes
as part of their retirement income.
DIVIDEND TAX
MCCAIN 15% (no change)
OBAMA 39.6%
How will this affect you? If you have any money invested in stock market,
IRA, mutual funds, college funds, life insurance, retirement accounts, or
anything that pays or reinvests dividends, you will now be paying nearly 40%
of the money earned on taxes if Obama become president. The experts predict
that higher tax rates on dividends and capital gains would crash the stock
market yet do absolutely nothing to cut the deficit.
INCOME TAX
MCCAIN (no changes)
Single making 30K - tax $4,500
Single making 50K - tax $12,500
Single making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 60K- tax $9,000
Married making 75K - tax $18,750
Married making 125K - tax $31,250
OBAMA
(Reversion to pre-Bush tax cuts)
Single making 30K - tax $8,400
Single making 50K - tax $14,000
Single making 75K - tax $23,250
Married making 60K - tax $16,800
Married making 75K - tax $21,000
Married making 125K - tax $38,750
Under Obama your taxes will more than double! How does this affect you?
No explanation needed. This is pretty straight forward.
INHERITANCE TAX
MCCAIN 0% (No change, Bush repealed this tax)
OBAMA Restore the inheritance tax
How does this affect you? Many families have lost businesses, farms and
ranches, and homes that have been in their families for generations because
they could not afford the inheritance tax. Those willing their assets to
loved ones will not only lose them to these taxes.
NEW TAXES BEING PROPOSED BY OBAMA
* New government taxes proposed on homes that are more than 2400 square feet
* New gasoline taxes (as if gas weren't high enough already)
* New taxes on natural resources consumption (heating gas, water,
electricity)
* New taxes on retirement accounts and last but not least....
* New taxes to pay for socialized medicine so we can receive the same level
of medical care as other third-world countries!!!
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/would_obama_tax_my_profits_if_i.html
There are plenty of reasons to vote against Senator Obama, but mistruths and scare tactics should not be among them.
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mmm hmm
McCain's economic speech included no new proposals. Instead, he once again promised to provide incentives for people to stay in the stock market, use the government's bailout money to buy up and refinance bad mortgages and lower taxes on business.
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The tragedy of the civil rights movement was that it didn't redistribute wealth. It may have guaranteed voting rights and ended legal discrimination, but fuck it all cuz it didn't take white people's money.
Jeezus...he almost makes his pastor look like a moderate.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-boonie.gif) But that's soshee-liism! Obama is a dang socialist.Never thought I'd say it but Crushed :bow :bow :bow
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-eng101.gif) How so? The United States already has a progressive income tax where entities which earn more, pay more. It is already "redistributing wealth." How does adjusting the percentages suddenly make it socialism if it wasn't before?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-boonie.gif) Because he's gonna take the money away from the people who earned it and give it to the filthy poors and dern Mexicans!
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-eng101.gif) It doesn't mean that at all. The government wouldn't just directly give the extra money from the higher brackets to the lower ones. That extra money means that the government can afford to tax the middle/lower classes less than before. It's the same procedure we use today; Obama won't suddenly walk up to rich people, grab their cash, and hand it to homeless guys.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-boonie.gif) I'm an American, and American won't stand for the socialist ideas like that.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-eng101.gif) Really? This chart shows the amount of tax revenue that the top tax bracket in the country has paid since the inception of the federal income tax, compared to approximately how much they would pay under Obama:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/obamaradicaltaxagenda.jpg)
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-eng101.gif) How is Obama's plan any more socialist than the higher previous tax rates for the top bracket (including Reagan's first term, in which the top bracket contributed ~10% more of tax revenue than they would under Obama)?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-boonie.gif) I AIN'T NO COMMUNIST, AND I DON'T BELIEVE IN COMMUNISM, GO BACK TO RUSSIA
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/MastahCrushed/Emote/emot-eng99.gif)
:piss progressive tax :piss2
Obama is a socialist. Which is fine but he needs to just come out of the marxist closet and be proud of it. And maybe if he is lucky he can get mccain to come too.
I just like this whole brouhaha over "redistributing wealth"
what do you think taxes ARE
what do you think the government does with that money
THEY SPEND IT
I swear, Republicans are just so fucking DUMB.
Hey you piss drinking mongoloid, if Obama is a socialist for wanting to raise the top bracket's tax rate to 39%, what the fuck does that make Nixon, who had it at 70%?
Hey you piss drinking mongoloid, if Obama is a socialist for wanting to raise the top bracket's tax rate to 39%, what the fuck does that make Nixon, who had it at 70%?
Am I disagreeing with you about Nixon?
I just like this whole brouhaha over "redistributing wealth"
what do you think taxes ARE
what do you think the government does with that money
THEY SPEND IT
I just hope that when Obama is elected to the highest office on the planet we can finally leave the whole race debate behind. :piss affirmative action.
I just hope that when Obama is elected to the highest office on the planet we can finally leave the whole race debate behind. :piss affirmative action.
Yes because racism and prejudice will disappear if Obama is elected. ::)
But whites are the ones who have predominantly acted out their prejudices by enslaving other people and promoting supremacist views for hundreds of years. Your point?
I don't support affirmative action based on race. It should be based on income imo, at least with respect to school admissions
bububububububu secretly they give it to poor people and those poor people get nicer teevees than me, i just know it cuz my uncle he was a cop he saw they'd have these crappy apartments but with fancy teevees they bought with welfare checks bubububu socialism at work
But whites are the ones who have predominantly acted out their prejudices by enslaving other people and promoting supremacist views for hundreds of years. Your point?
I don't support affirmative action based on race. It should be based on income imo, at least with respect to school admissions
Whites were dominating other races because they could. I'd imagine it's easy for one group to foster a sense of supremacy when it is actively and successfully dominating so many other ethnic groups (people who that were just as happy to engage in slave trade themselves, only of course on a much smaller scale).
McCain's economic policies are so anti-reality
he always talks about "housing investments" instead of "homes"
and thinks normal people care about the capital gains tax. or know what it is.
I just saw the video of the Biden Quesiton. :lol :lol So awesome, even if Oabam isnt a communist, its good that he cleared it up.
[youtube=425,350]sQXcImQfubM[/youtube]
Biden cant handle the heat.
Jesus Christ, smh@trailer park Americans acting as if a 40% tax rate on millionaires is communism. What IS the sentiment driving this? 'We're not millionaires...but we could be if not for uppity black men taxing us!' :???
I don't get it.
What IS the sentiment driving this?
:piss progressive tax :piss2
Obama is a socialist. Which is fine but he needs to just come out of the marxist closet and be proud of it. And maybe if he is lucky he can get mccain to come too.
:piss progressive tax :piss2
Obama is a socialist. Which is fine but he needs to just come out of the marxist closet and be proud of it. And maybe if he is lucky he can get mccain to come too.
:bow progressive tax :bow2
:bow :bow :bow progressive house :bow2 :bow2 :bow2
McCain's economic policies are so anti-reality
he always talks about "housing investments" instead of "homes"
and thinks normal people care about the capital gains tax. or know what it is.
Or "buying that small business they've always dreamed of owning." As if most people could ever think to aspire to that, or as if they want to deposit large sums of money into a risky venture anytime soon.I just saw the video of the Biden Quesiton. :lol :lol So awesome, even if Oabam isnt a communist, its good that he cleared it up.
[youtube=425,350]sQXcImQfubM[/youtube]
Biden cant handle the heat.
Anyone have another video of this? Or a transcript? I have no idea what it is.
At this point, anyone who votes for McCain drops quite a bit in my personal opinion of them. I mean how could you? I just cant fathom giving in to his fear mongering and lies. Its clear he doesnt have a plan for the economy, and the wars? He wasn't even a GOOD officer from what ive read. All I see is same ol trickle down bullshit and an insane VP.Your tune has really changed from the anybody's better bush than stuff you were saying months ago.
I think the funniest thing I saw today was a car that had both Vote McCain and Vote Obama stickers on it. :lol
At this point, anyone who votes for McCain drops quite a bit in my personal opinion of them. I mean how could you? I just cant fathom giving in to his fear mongering and lies. Its clear he doesnt have a plan for the economy, and the wars? He wasn't even a GOOD officer from what ive read. All I see is same ol trickle down bullshit and an insane VP.Your tune has really changed from the anybody's better bush than stuff you were saying months ago.
I think the funniest thing I saw today was a car that had both Vote McCain and Vote Obama stickers on it. :lol
Sarah Palin's War on Science
The GOP ticket's appalling contempt for knowledge and learning.
http://www.slate.com/id/2203120 (http://www.slate.com/id/2203120)
Hitchens :bow2
Those who despise science and learning are not anti-elitist. They are morally and intellectually slothful people who are secretly envious of the educated and the cultured.
:piss progressive tax :piss2
Obama is a socialist. Which is fine but he needs to just come out of the marxist closet and be proud of it. And maybe if he is lucky he can get mccain to come too.
Trailer trash wants a message that is quick and to the point. "Obama is a commie" works better than "Well, if you take into account the new tax rates..." Too much explanation for the Pabst Blue Ribbon crowd.
i found an embarrassing amount of hooj records in my collection in the move
also, stuff from a VERY short lived label by the name of Acetate who's biggest hit was the Stephanie K and John Creamer song called I Love you.
http://www.discogs.com/label/Acetate+Ltd
I have a ton of these. There's a dark prog breaks on the A side and a dark progressive house track on the flip
Trailer trash wants a message that is quick and to the point. "Obama is a commie" works better than "Well, if you take into account the new tax rates..." Too much explanation for the Pabst Blue Ribbon crowd.
I'm pretty sure that most hipsters are voting for Obama...
Also, I haven't been following the senate races very much, apart from reading in brief on 538 every so often... what's the likelihood of getting a 60 seat majority at this point in time?
Trailer trash wants a message that is quick and to the point. "Obama is a commie" works better than "Well, if you take into account the new tax rates..." Too much explanation for the Pabst Blue Ribbon crowd.
I'm pretty sure that most hipsters are voting for Obama...
Also, I haven't been following the senate races very much, apart from reading in brief on 538 every so often... what's the likelihood of getting a 60 seat majority at this point in time?
I just want to take this opportunity to state that I love Nate Silver and fivethirtyeight.com
It's like pornography for the reality-based community
Yeah, I started referring to the site as "porn for liberals" when McCain dropped into the single digits.
I'm trying to savor this election. It could very well be the best result I see in my lifetime.
http://hamptonroads.com/2008/10/phony-flier-says-virginians-vote-different-days
Yeah Obama winning is going to be one of the 'big events' of my lifetime, right up there with the berlin wall n shit.
An Obama aide points out to First Read that the $150,000 figure Biden was citing was simply an example of what someone making that amount would get under Obama's tax plan. Indeed, Biden's $150,000 remark came after he referred to someone making $1.4 million.
Per the Tax Policy Center, here is how Obama's tax plan breaks down for individuals:
$0-$18,891 = $567 tax cut
$18,982-$37,595 = $892 tax cut
$37,596-$66,354 = $1,118 tax cut
$66,355-$111,645 = $1,264 tax cut
$111,646-$160,972 = $2,135 tax cut
$160,973-$226,918 = $2,796 tax cut
$226,919-$603,402 = $121 tax increase
$603,403-$2.87 million = $93,709 tax increase
$2.87 million-plus = $542,882 tax increase
OH NOES! 131 MORE at 226k! NOOOOOOOOOOOO
I would like Greenspan tarred and feathered as well
On a personal note, it would be really awesome to see blue GA and blue NC on election night. There are some specific things I'd also like to see, and since I'm a vengeful fucker they're all on the petty side:
-John Shadegg in AZ-03 losing. Shadegg is the darling of the far right nutbars in the House and on the intertubes. Having him lose would be awesome- there's no better way to demoralize the enemy than to kill their generals. Bonus: he holds John McCain's old House seat.
-The odious and corrupt Diaz-Balart brothers in south Florida losing.
-Al Franken winning, because it will infuriate the flapping heads on the right that he's clashed with in the past.
-Darcy Burner winning in WA-08. The liberal loonies on the intertubes have invested lots of time and money into this race, after having Darcy barely lose in '06. The opposition is pushing back hard because if she loses it discredits the idea that the liberal blogosphere can have influence in races. Plus she's a very progressive Democrat.
-Jim Martin beating the nefarious Saxby Chambliss in the GA Senate race. I don't think he'll win outright but this could be heading to a run off thanks to that weird GA law.
-Mitch McConnell losing to Bruce Lunsford. Revenge for Daschle in '04.
-Michelle Bachmann losing in Minnesota.
Probably out of reach, but having Eric Cantor and Virgil Goode of Virginia lose their House seats would also be awesome.
i found an embarrassing amount of hooj records in my collection in the move
also, stuff from a VERY short lived label by the name of Acetate who's biggest hit was the Stephanie K and John Creamer song called I Love you.
http://www.discogs.com/label/Acetate+Ltd
I have a ton of these. There's a dark prog breaks on the A side and a dark progressive house track on the flip
Not a fan of John Creamer and Stephane K myself, although I looked at the discogs page... the 4x4 rmx of Mara-Desanitize is one of my favorites. :heart prog breaks and prog house :heart
Why are liberals so vengeful?
i found an embarrassing amount of hooj records in my collection in the move
also, stuff from a VERY short lived label by the name of Acetate who's biggest hit was the Stephanie K and John Creamer song called I Love you.
http://www.discogs.com/label/Acetate+Ltd
I have a ton of these. There's a dark prog breaks on the A side and a dark progressive house track on the flip
Not a fan of John Creamer and Stephane K myself, although I looked at the discogs page... the 4x4 rmx of Mara-Desanitize is one of my favorites. :heart prog breaks and prog house :heart
if you like i'll see if i can rip them from the vinly and i can shoot them over to you in mp3 format. 320k so you can use them for your own mixes or whatever
Why are liberals so vengeful?
An interesting tidbit from Robert Draper on Gov. Sarah Palin: "I've heard from one well-placed source that McCain has snubbed her on one long bus ride aboard the Straight Talk Express, to the embarrassment of those sitting nearby."http://politicalwire.com/
On a personal note, it would be really awesome to see blue GA and blue NC on election night. There are some specific things I'd also like to see, and since I'm a vengeful fucker they're all on the petty side:
-John Shadegg in AZ-03 losing. Shadegg is the darling of the far right nutbars in the House and on the intertubes. Having him lose would be awesome- there's no better way to demoralize the enemy than to kill their generals. Bonus: he holds John McCain's old House seat.
-The odious and corrupt Diaz-Balart brothers in south Florida losing.
-Al Franken winning, because it will infuriate the flapping heads on the right that he's clashed with in the past.
-Darcy Burner winning in WA-08. The liberal loonies on the intertubes have invested lots of time and money into this race, after having Darcy barely lose in '06. The opposition is pushing back hard because if she loses it discredits the idea that the liberal blogosphere can have influence in races. Plus she's a very progressive Democrat.
-Jim Martin beating the nefarious Saxby Chambliss in the GA Senate race. I don't think he'll win outright but this could be heading to a run off thanks to that weird GA law.
-Mitch McConnell losing to Bruce Lunsford. Revenge for Daschle in '04.
-Michelle Bachmann losing in Minnesota.
Probably out of reach, but having Eric Cantor and Virgil Goode of Virginia lose their House seats would also be awesome.
I should go contribute to AZ-03 and WA-08. AZ-03 in particular. As others have said, it's hard to pick your battles this cycle with so many great pickup opportunities. But AZ-03 would be sahweeeeet.
-Mitch McConnell losing to Bruce Lunsford. Revenge for Daschle in '04.
i found an embarrassing amount of hooj records in my collection in the move
also, stuff from a VERY short lived label by the name of Acetate who's biggest hit was the Stephanie K and John Creamer song called I Love you.
http://www.discogs.com/label/Acetate+Ltd
I have a ton of these. There's a dark prog breaks on the A side and a dark progressive house track on the flip
Not a fan of John Creamer and Stephane K myself, although I looked at the discogs page... the 4x4 rmx of Mara-Desanitize is one of my favorites. :heart prog breaks and prog house :heart
if you like i'll see if i can rip them from the vinly and i can shoot them over to you in mp3 format. 320k so you can use them for your own mixes or whatever
Would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
go here (http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2008/10/28/youdecide1_1028/#comment-328925) and leave your comment for the fox faithful to see. Fox has the sheep all riled up over Obama's 'take the day off and vote' comment.
I posted under the name Parah Salin.
sheesh.
Im totally taking the day off to sit in front of my laptop shivering with anxiety
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/28/foxs-shepard-smith-forced_n_138674.html -- lol Joe the Plant
Props to Shepard Smith
I thought 'ol Joe the plumber wasn't even a registered voter? Could be wrong I guess....he is a smarmy cocksucker when he is being interviewed though....like so many other douche nozzles I have met like him..
...oh well, doesn't matter anyway.
I thought 'ol Joe the plumber wasn't even a registered voter? Could be wrong I guess....he is a smarmy cocksucker when he is being interviewed though....like so many other douche nozzles I have met like him..
...oh well, doesn't matter anyway.
He's registered but his name is mis-spelled on his voter card or something, so if the GOP in Ohio gets their way he'll be purged on Nov 4th
this is the first ever official campaign video that's ALSO a 4ch image macro:lol the fact that it's from teh obama campaign makes this even better
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Xnk9aqih8ospoiler (click to show/hide)Jarosh could do better[close]
God bless Mexican Americans!
And they won't win the Hispanic vote until they stop fanning the flames of racism and nationalism over immigration. It's a catch 22 though: the more they move to the center on immigration, the more Hispanics they reach BUT they wind up losing the southern base
I saw this video on the front page of yahoo a little while ago, and it's the first thing in recent memory that has made me genuinely pissed off while watching it. I think Bill Burton is kind of a schmuck to be honest, but the fox bitch just really personifies everything that I hate about fox news. I'm a pretty chill guy, but the vid made me SEETHE. It made me go grab a beer.Oh yeah, I saw her on the O'Reily Factor, just beaming over her hard-hitting journalism skill, her and Bill were just so frigging confident in their rightness and in their percieved fairness. Gawsh, it was terrible.
When I checked back and found that it wasn't on the yahoo FP anymore, I googled it and found it again on huffpost.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/zp-heller/obama-campaign-takes-the_b_138635.html
FAIR AND BALANCED ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::) ::)
And they won't win the Hispanic vote until they stop fanning the flames of racism and nationalism over immigration. It's a catch 22 though: the more they move to the center on immigration, the more Hispanics they reach BUT they wind up losing the southern base
I don't think it's racist to want to deport illegal immigrants. Pretty much every other country deports illegals. Why is it racist if we do it?The point is that many things in life do not occur in a vacuum, and while therea re many people who are well-intentioned and believe firmly in preventing porous borders, the issue cannot be NOT RACIALIZED because 1] many victims/perpetrators are of brown skin and different language, 2] their American opponents/critics are of another race/language, and 3] really, both sides put on their race-tinted goggles on looking at the matter, no matter how much certain people who are honest try to be objective and practical.
I don't think it's racist to want to deport illegal immigrants. Pretty much every other country deports illegals. Why is it racist if we do it?
I don't think it's racist to want to deport illegal immigrants. Pretty much every other country deports illegals. Why is it racist if we do it?The point is that many things in life do not occur in a vacuum, and while therea re many people who are well-intentioned and believe firmly in preventing porous borders, the issue cannot be NOT RACIALIZED because 1] many victims/perpetrators are of brown skin and different language, 2] their American opponents/critics are of another race/language, and 3] really, both sides put on their race-tinted goggles on looking at the matter, no matter how much certain people who are honest try to be objective and practical.
Furthermore, while I agree that the US has a right in securing what it thinks are too porous, unsafe borders, I would point out that 1] this mass illegal immigration is not an aberration but an unstoppable major long term trend, 2] it is not only the consequences of Mexico and its shit situation with shitty economics and shitty narcotraffic murders, but also the consequence of NAFTA's enormous effects, and illicit drug use, both of which US is highly culpable/responsible, 3] blocking them from coming in via barricades or guards along the huge border is a fucking waste of taxpayer money and will not only NOT work, it will BACKFIRE, and 4] 'shipping them out' is undeniably racist. You don't say SHIP EM OUT with a clean nose.
and FYI, western europe and britain are also grappling with this. I'm not saying LETS DO JACK SHIT AND LET EM COME IN but displeasure at mass immigration is almost never free from being strongly racial/ethnic in tone.
the issue cannot be NOT RACIALIZED because 1] many victims/perpetrators are of brown skin and different language, 2] their American opponents/critics are of another race/language
and 3] really, both sides put on their race-tinted goggles on looking at the matter, no matter how much certain people who are honest try to be objective and practical.
Furthermore, while I agree that the US has a right in securing what it thinks are too porous, unsafe borders
I would point out that 1] this mass illegal immigration is not an aberration but an unstoppable major long term trend
2] it is not only the consequences of Mexico and its shit situation with shitty economics and shitty narcotraffic murders, but also the consequence of NAFTA's enormous effects, and illicit drug use, both of which US is highly culpable/responsible,
3] blocking them from coming in via barricades or guards along the huge border is a fucking waste of taxpayer money and will not only NOT work, it will BACKFIRE,
and 4] 'shipping them out' is undeniably racist. You don't say SHIP EM OUT with a clean nose.
and FYI, western europe and britain are also grappling with this. I'm not saying LETS DO JACK SHIT AND LET EM COME IN but displeasure at mass immigration is almost never free from being strongly racial/ethnic in tone.
Nobody said it's racist to want to deport undocumented immigrants. Green Shinobi framed it that way.
Here's the thing. Holding that opinion does not make you a racist. But the anti-immigration movement as it actually exists owes a ton to xenophobia and racism.
There were perfectly race-neutral critiques of the fair housing act from libertarian and federalist perspectives, but how many white Americans in the 60's suddenly developed a love for states' rights and how many didn't want black people moving in next to them?
They will reform and get their true Reagan style politician to lead them to the promised land...but that won't be for awhile.
2012 is gonna be all about feeding the base red meat from the top of the ticket - ie an extremist candidate from one of the many factions of the GOP. 2016 will probably see the nomination of a member of the faction that lost out in the 2012 primaries - so that means another extremist loses most likely. Dems could be in power for 16 years (Obama for 8, Mark Warner for another 8) but who knows, anything can happen.
One thing is for sure: the GOP will be back with the vengeance eventually
So she prefers opinion and conjecture over facts?
So she prefers opinion and conjecture over facts?
She prefers whatever her parents fed her all her life and can't think for herself.
So she prefers opinion and conjecture over facts?
She prefers whatever her parents fed her all her life and can't think for herself.
YOSo she prefers opinion and conjecture over facts?
She prefers whatever her parents fed her all her life and can't think for herself.
This is the problem with young Kentucky voters outside of Berea.
Fucking Republican girls are amazing, because you always got the hate fuck factor.
Fucking Republican girls are amazing, because you always got the hate fuck factor.
Indeed, and as most of them are good Christian girls, they're paradoxically more likely to let you put it in their pooper, as that's not "real" sex.
Where do you live again?
Same here only replace meth with oxycontin, and remove the tornado season.Where do you live again?
Iowa.
Funny thing is that no matter how the GOP tries to play up small town America, all the small towns nearby mine are all fucked up. A lot of them have various drug problems, teenage sex is rampant, poverty exists (some small towns are total shitholes due to the corporatist farming environment) and everyone is in denial about how the reality clashes with the Norman Rockwell-GOP fantasy.
Same here only replace meth with oxycontin, and remove the tornado season.Where do you live again?
Iowa.
Funny thing is that no matter how the GOP tries to play up small town America, all the small towns nearby mine are all fucked up. A lot of them have various drug problems, teenage sex is rampant, poverty exists (some small towns are total shitholes due to the corporatist farming environment) and everyone is in denial about how the reality clashes with the Norman Rockwell-GOP fantasy.
The oxycontin problem is even worse in the far eastern part of the state.
Johnson County has more people addicted to oxcontin than NEW YORK CITY does ffs.
I don't think it's racist to want to deport illegal immigrants. Pretty much every other country deports illegals. Why is it racist if we do it?
Dole's 30-second ad, which is running on television in North Carolina but has not (understandably) been promoted by the GOP, uses a September fundraiser co-hosted by 40 people, including a representative of the Godless America PAC, to falsely accuse Democrat Kay Hagan of being an atheist herself.http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/29/dole-ad-fabricates-audio_n_138874.html
The end of the ad features a picture of Hagan with a female voice yelling "there is no God!" -- the clear implication is that the voice is Hagan's. In fact, the Democratic candidate is a Sunday School teacher and an elder at her Presbyterian church.
LEXINGTON — An effigy of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee and an African American, was found hanging from a tree on the University of Kentucky campus this morning, according to university officials.
I think Mandark is right: once those boogeymen are either taken away or become major players in the democratic process (Hispanics) the GOP is in for trouble. Just look at the EC: as CO/NV/NM move into the blue thanks to young voters and Hispanics the electoral math becomes quite worrisome for republicans.
The Real Problem With Obama's Tax Plan (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/10/28/AR2008102802955.html)
More honest than most conservative efforts in this area but still pretty disingenuous. Apparently if we raise the top rate from 35% to 39% then the rich people of the country (to whom us plebes owe everything) they'll start cheating on their taxes and stop creating jobs.
You stay classy, Liddy Dole.
Also, Kentucky is now officially on notice: (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20081029/NEWS01/81029016)QuoteLEXINGTON — An effigy of U.S. Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee and an African American, was found hanging from a tree on the University of Kentucky campus this morning, according to university officials.
i wanna cut a dance mix based on mccain campaign samples and smear memes(http://home.comcast.net/~erickson.doug/catdance.gif)(http://home.comcast.net/~erickson.doug/catdance.gif)(http://home.comcast.net/~erickson.doug/catdance.gif)
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
GONNA MAKE YOU DANCE ALL NIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
rapid high hats, chorus pedal
SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!
SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!
(cool hand luke sample: "what we have here is a failure to communicate")
boom-pish-boom-pish-boom-pish
[spock]Pure energy independence[/spock]
i wanna cut a dance mix based on mccain campaign samples and smear memes
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
GONNA MAKE YOU DANCE ALL NIGHT!
AYERS-ACORN-REZKO-WRIGHT!
rapid high hats, chorus pedal
SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!
SOCIALIST! TERRORIST!
NOT A CITIZEN OF THE US!
(cool hand luke sample: "what we have here is a failure to communicate")
boom-pish-boom-pish-boom-pish
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/10/29/prager-equality-unamerican/
Equality is not a American Value says the old white dude. :american
[youtube=425,350]lrzThqzV4fM[/youtube]
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
[youtube=425,350]lrzThqzV4fM[/youtube]
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS
I wanna see a Dorito's commercial like that
I forgot about this :-\
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=10062775&postcount=4341
Seems over for Obama: http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
"If you're planning to dress as vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin . . . Please don't come toting a rifle," read the announcement placed in the LGBT newsmagazine Metro Weekly. "An Eskimo sidekick, however, is probably just fine."
But at Palin's campaign event, it was the surprise appearance by Joe the Plumber that fired up the Bowling Green State University crowd.
“He’s a fellow Alaskan, and he’s a fellow military man who has served our country proudly,” she said. “I’d like you to meet him. Please welcome Joe the Plumber!”
Joe Wurzelbacher was introduced as a special guest midway through Palin’s speech, to a roaring ovation. A day after he campaigned on his own -- and received criticism for agreeing with comments suggesting Obama’s election would mean “death to Israel” -- Wurzelbacher stood silently by Palin’s side through the rest of her remarks, dressed in jeans and a checkered work shirt.
“All the pictures I’ve seen of him, I knew I’d like him, wearing his Carhartts and steel-toed boots,” she said.
Seems over for Obama: http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/
I'm not sure I'm ready for President Barr
Luke.. you fail to realize the wrong doing of Obama's socialist ways. You don't understand basic economics that the coroprations create the middle class, and if it weren't for th corporations, you and I would have no jobs. Why increase taxes on corporations where they don't have the cash flow to retain employees? Increased taxes will reduce a companies cash flow, making it harder for that company to retain jobs, which will eliminate jobs for the middle class. God help this country if Obama gets elected. Read between the lines and think about the implications of increased taxes on corporations Luke.
Joe... first off, did you know that taxes were at 70% for the wealthiest under Nixon's presidency (as opposed to 40% under Obama)? Yup, by your logic, Nixon was a socialist. Now that that's out of the way... why are corporations that don't the have cash flow to retain employees giving the CEO's that sunk the company 20 million dollar golden parachutes? That's REALLY helping the middle class, let me tell you. Is it fair that many corps don't pay taxes at all due to exploitable loopholes? Higher taxes on corps didn't hurt our country during Clinton's reign...
Have you even looked into Obama's economic plan at all (including tax breaks for companies who want to retain their workers and not outsource, challenging corps to invest in long term R&D, creating new venues for alternate energy), or are you just drinking the old decrepit McCain kool-aid, which was left over from the horrible Bush presidency?
Haha tiesto, you have some weird facebook friends. Then again, one of my "friends" gave me a McCain button as a gift. :(
The pervasive apologism for corporate and wealthy parasites is infuriating..
Haha tiesto, you have some weird facebook friends. Then again, one of my "friends" gave me a McCain button as a gift. :(
That was one cheesy half hourRegardless, Obama can connect with people. He is not the mouth piece of corporations or big oil. I genuinely believe that since he didn't grow up with a silver spoon and put himself through college, that he sees America as a true American. Someone that knows the hardships that working families deal with since he had to deal with them first hand. Then you have the old and wealthy McCain. Who's going to care about people? Who's going to care about wealthy?
Following Patel's generosity, I donated $50 to Obama ($150 total) and $50 to No for Proposition 8
I'm done donating this election year.
have you seen the articles about the mormon families donating tens of thousands of dollars to Yes on 8?
smh
they say its for their children's future
I guess their children's future doesn't include college anymore
[youtube=425,350]UQvw8rvcQxg[/youtube]
:lol
have you seen the articles about the mormon families donating tens of thousands of dollars to Yes on 8?
smh
they say its for their children's future
I guess their children's future doesn't include college anymore
Houston rap, the best kind:
[youtube=425,350]TKP_IZIQhG4[/youtube]
Dear President Obama: Get on that legalizing weed thing. Love, Spencer
my dad is talking to my brother about negroes in the white house and how obama mesmerizes women and how ancient greek columns from months ago reminded them of nuremburg
But sure, the cost/benefit stuff.
Economically immigrants are a very small net plus. There are certain negatives which mostly have to do with them not being integrated into the system. Things like using ER care rather than seeing a physician because they're not insured. Legalize them, make them pay taxes, etc. Works just as well as kicking them out and is cheaper to boot.
Rule of law? Eh. I can't get worked up over victimless laws that are honored in the breach. A lot of people besides the immigrants contributed to the norms of lax enforcement.
On the national security side, sealing off a giant contiguous border with the largest wealth gap between two adjacent countries in the world would mean a lot of resources. A lot of money and a lot of police authority doled out. I'm not sure I want to spend all that much to prevent a threat that's more hypothetical than anything. How many terrorists have come through Mexico?
I'd just as soon abolish or drastically raise the quotas and streamline the process. The vast majority of undocumented immigrants would rather make their new lives as part of society, rather than insecure second-class humans.
It's worth asking why they're not allowed to live here in the first place. I sure as hell didn't do anything to earn my spot.
Why are they not allowed to live here in the first place?
Because they are not American citizens, they were not born in America, they were not raised in American culture, a large percentage of them do not speak English, etc. I don't know about you, but I want to know that all Americans have a level of proficiency with the native language. I want to know that all Americans have some understanding of the culture (although our educational system is failing us in that regard).
There's also the fairness aspect of it. Why should we allow people to just become Americans on a whim? Can we, as Americans, just pack up and move to London or Paris or Rome and become citizens of those countries? No. I remember how shocked I was when I found out how difficult it would be to legally and permanently emigrate to Britain. Pretty much the only countries in the world that will let you just pack up and move there permanently are the dirt poor ones in southeast Asia, and maybe a few others that I don't know about. But I'm really opposed to letting anyone become an American citizen when the rest of the world won't do the same for us.
That ad was made in Atlanta by some friends of mine. The paint huffer, "I want a Pres I can drink a beer with" dude in the coveralls and the couple are all people I know. It was weird watching it earlier.
ok you know what Loki???I don't think it's racist to want to deport illegal immigrants. Pretty much every other country deports illegals. Why is it racist if we do it?The point is that many things in life do not occur in a vacuum, and while therea re many people who are well-intentioned and believe firmly in preventing porous borders, the issue cannot be NOT RACIALIZED because 1] many victims/perpetrators are of brown skin and different language, 2] their American opponents/critics are of another race/language, and 3] really, both sides put on their race-tinted goggles on looking at the matter, no matter how much certain people who are honest try to be objective and practical.
Furthermore, while I agree that the US has a right in securing what it thinks are too porous, unsafe borders, I would point out that 1] this mass illegal immigration is not an aberration but an unstoppable major long term trend, 2] it is not only the consequences of Mexico and its shit situation with shitty economics and shitty narcotraffic murders, but also the consequence of NAFTA's enormous effects, and illicit drug use, both of which US is highly culpable/responsible, 3] blocking them from coming in via barricades or guards along the huge border is a fucking waste of taxpayer money and will not only NOT work, it will BACKFIRE, and 4] 'shipping them out' is undeniably racist. You don't say SHIP EM OUT with a clean nose.
and FYI, western europe and britain are also grappling with this. I'm not saying LETS DO JACK SHIT AND LET EM COME IN but displeasure at mass immigration is almost never free from being strongly racial/ethnic in tone.
Yeah, a lot of this is pretty much bullshit, sorry. Real talk.
ELECTION THREADlo siento
ELECTION THREAD
ELECTION THREAD
yes, let's discuss McCain's comeback chances!
The pervasive apologism for corporate and wealthy parasites is infuriating.
"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - JK Galbraith
That ad was made in Atlanta by some friends of mine. The paint huffer, "I want a Pres I can drink a beer with" dude in the coveralls and the couple are all people I know. It was weird watching it earlier.
These the same friends who made The Signal?
make a new thread GS.
And I actually agree with you, except for the "american assimilation" part. Hint: the melting pot is not waht its name implies.
but yea, make a new thread.
It's hilarious they seem to think Obama is gonna "overreach" thus causing republicans to take control in 2010, just like in 94. The comparison doesn't even make sense historically. 94 was a rejection of over bloated democratic rule just as 2006/2008 were of republican over bloated rule, and Clinton certainly did his party no favors. Lots of people still blame Clinton for ruining the party. I doubt Obama will face similar situations
Where was that political gambling website where you could get pretty good odds a month or so ago on betting that Obama would break 340 electoral votes?http://www.intrade.com/ (http://www.intrade.com/)
That seems like a pretty decent bet now. I wish I had put a few hundred dollars on him breaking 300, and maybe a hundred on him breaking 340.
no.
i don't think so
far too much baggage
i mean the right haaaaaaaaaates her.
Another hypothetical: would Romney be doing better against Obama than McCain is currently doing?
Another hypothetical: would Romney be doing better against Obama than McCain is currently doing?
I think so.
McCain camp trying to seek a scapegoat for their loss... who will it be?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15073 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15073)
Also... think it's time to speculate on Obama cabinet picks?
McCain camp trying to seek a scapegoat for their loss... who will it be?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15073 (http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/15073)
Also... think it's time to speculate on Obama cabinet picks?
Also, a “top McCain adviser” told Mike Allen of Politico that Palin is “a whack job.”
but the speculation that people are positioning Palin to be the leader of the party is just strange.
just....strange
Wow, that sure sounds both nationalist and racist to me.
If your culture is worth preserving, it will thrive with increased diversity, not collapse. If you have to endure a little inconvenience at the convenience store when someone gets your order wrong, cry me a river. From my perspective, America's multi-cultural nature has been it's greatest strength.
It's nationalistic to be sure, but I don't think that's a bad thing. Why is America the only country that isn't allowed to show nationalism? It's certainly not racist. But tell you what, the next time a European mocks America for not having culture within earshot, I'll tell him that it's because we're not allowed to have one, and I might even call him a racist while I'm at it.
It really amazes me that Palin thinks that she has even a glimmer of hope at running successfully in o'12. She really has no clue.
It's hilarious they seem to think Obama is gonna "overreach" thus causing republicans to take control in 2010, just like in 94.
Sorry about the rays SD. :-\
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/27447282#27444126
Would love to get you guy's opinions on this discussion - basically the idea that this is still a center right country, and when "republicans run as republicans" they always win. Pfft
If "the most liberal senator" wins in a landslide this ain't a right of center country, and the idea that a massive landslide won't give Obama a mandate is laughable.
It's hilarious they seem to think Obama is gonna "overreach" thus causing republicans to take control in 2010, just like in 94.
Oh he's going to overreach. There's no doubt about that. The DEM congress ensures it. In fact, the bigger the margin he wins by, the greater the overreach will be. "Mandate", etc. Will it be enough to flip congress in 2010? No way. But, it will definately be the start of getting the Senate back in GOP hands.
So gents, a theoretical:
If Hillary Clinton won the primary season, does she win the general?
So gents, a theoretical:
If Hillary Clinton won the primary season, does she win the general?
Oh yeah. You'd be hearing about the Clinton economic record in the 90's ad nauseum.
Any of the big three Democratic candidates would have beaten any of the big five Republican candidates this cycle. Different maps and different margins maybe, but the fundamentals are just too much to overcome.
On the other hand, a lot of people (myself included, I think) said that Obama's negatives would be Hillaryesque once the GOP had a whole campaign to go after him, but that hasn't been true. It's certainly not for a lack of trying by conservatives, though.
Dude, what seats do you see the GOP picking up? There are 15 Dem seats vs. 19 GOP seats.
no.
i don't think so
far too much baggage
i mean the right haaaaaaaaaates her.
So gents, a theoretical:
If Hillary Clinton won the primary season, does she win the general?
Oh yeah. You'd be hearing about the Clinton economic record in the 90's ad nauseum.
Any of the big three Democratic candidates would have beaten any of the big five Republican candidates this cycle. Different maps and different margins maybe, but the fundamentals are just too much to overcome.
On the other hand, a lot of people (myself included, I think) said that Obama's negatives would be Hillaryesque once the GOP had a whole campaign to go after him, but that hasn't been true. It's certainly not for a lack of trying by conservatives, though.
Edwards will forever be on my shit list for trying to run for president with that skeleton in his closet.
You're about as good as the average of your polling over two or three years, though.
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Keeping it classy, John!
The Iran ad makes no sense though. Obama goes into a meeting with Iran with no pre-conditions, Iran wants to wipe Israel off the map, causing Obama to accept their "demands" and let Israel be wiped off the map? That ad made me feel stupid
Well, I guess if I ever see Barack Obama close up again I will be calling him "Mr. President" because I don't see him losing.
Which is great. I've supported him since before he announced his presidency and there were several times I was worried about him losing. Guess not.
that's the McCain campaign in a nutshell right there: vile accusations w/no facts to back it up.
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So do you guys think this thread or any poli-bore talk will die off after the election?
So do you guys think this thread or any poli-bore talk will die off after the election?
I'm sure SD, Beardo, and JayDubya will keep us entertained for the next 4 years
So do you guys think this thread or any poli-bore talk will die off after the election?
On the 4th and probably the following couple days I'll only be watching Fox News, looking at the exasperated faces of Hannity and Cavuto as they can barely utter the words of that McCain lost.
I will anticipate that the GOP will have some really creative reasons why Obama won. Each one more entertaining than the next.
So gents, a theoretical:no
If Hillary Clinton won the primary season, does she win the general?
So do you guys think this thread or any poli-bore talk will die off after the election?
Nah.
The best part of all is next week: the bitter tears of the right wing.
On the 4th and probably the following couple days I'll only be watching Fox News, looking at the exasperated faces of Hannity and Cavuto as they can barely utter the words of that McCain lost.
I will anticipate that the GOP will have some really creative reasons why Obama won. Each one more entertaining than the next.
Then you got the cabinet selections. Watch as thousands of dumbasses make jokes that William Ayers will be Obama's right hand man. Watch as the bitter racists make racist tirades on the internet about how the rapture is near and how distinguished black fellows have taken over the White House.
This part of the election is just dragging on now. There should have been another debate or another VP debate.
Perhaps a clue why such comments are uncontested by candidates who claim to be putting "country first," lies in Sarah Palin's acceptance speech at the Republican convention. She quoted “a writer” who extolled the virtues of small town citizens. That writer was Westbrook Pegler, for decades an anti-black, anti-Semitic nationally syndicated columnist with ten million readers. Pegler had a penchant for “white patriots” and a bitter hatred of people who opposed white supremacy. [Frank Rich, New York Times, October 11, 2008] He was noted for his lament that Giuseppe Zangara, the deranged gunman who shot at President-elect Franklin Roosevelt in Miami in 1932 had missed and killed the Mayor of Chicago instead. Pegler found it "regrettable that Giuseppe Zangara hit the wrong man . . . . ” In 1965, two years after President John F. Kennedy's assassination, Pegler said of his brother Robert Kennedy that he hoped "some white patriot of the Southern tier will spatter his spoonful of brains in public premises before the snow flies." [Wall Street Journal, September 10, 2008]
Westbrook Pegler died in 1969, the year after two of his choice targets, Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy were assassinated. But now his specter haunts the 2008 campaign.
It really amazes me that Palin thinks that she has even a glimmer of hope at running successfully in o'12. She really has no clue.
Agreed. She has been a tremendous disappointment and the thought of her "leading" the GOP (or leading anything) in the future makes me want to vomit.
It really amazes me that Palin thinks that she has even a glimmer of hope at running successfully in o'12. She really has no clue.
Agreed. She has been a tremendous disappointment and the thought of her "leading" the GOP (or leading anything) in the future makes me want to vomit.
BU-BU-BU, I thought you were in love?
Good ol' self-hating SD. :lol
http://www.counterpunch.org/katz10302008.html (http://www.counterpunch.org/katz10302008.html)
Pretty good article about the hate spewing shit coming from the McCain campaign. A particularly poignant part of the article:Quote.
It really amazes me that Palin thinks that she has even a glimmer of hope at running successfully in o'12. She really has no clue.
Agreed. She has been a tremendous disappointment and the thought of her "leading" the GOP (or leading anything) in the future makes me want to vomit.
BU-BU-BU, I thought you were in love?
Good ol' self-hating SD. :lol
Ah, don't pick on him. People change their minds. He came around and that's what is important.
Palin isn't going rogue, she isn't rooting for McCain to lose, she wants to be president (she's admitted to a friend such ambition in the past) but her best/only chance is in winning this election.
Palin's best shot of ever being president is in not losing now. She has got to know that a Vice President has a much better shot of winning the nomination then the governor of America's 2nd-least populated state. What with McCain being extremely old and crusty, she could be a realistic contender for the 2012 seat should McCain decide not to run again due to health reasons or whatnot, that is, assuming he doesn't die first.
If (when, lets face it, when) McCain doesn't win, she has no political future outside of Alaska.
Yea I got through my mid terms but it was hard just motivating myself to study instead of refreshing blog pages, or heading to coffee shops to discuss the race with friends 'n university faculty. I've been thinking about this god damn thing non-stop for more than a year and a half.Luckily people around here (engineering faculty) are pretty apolitical except for Obama = good, McCain= bad. Though the weird thing is that there's socialist party posters here that seem to be hailing Obama as some socialist Saviour for America and the world ???
Palin wont be around after this year.Who else do the republicans have? Trust me, we haven't seen the last of Palin.
Is this the part of the thread where we all praise conservative posters and pat ourselves on the back for being open-minded?
More importantly, how does this forum not have a dismissive jerking off motion smiley? Cause seriously guys, :dismissivejerkingoffmotion
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/10/30/rachel-maddow-interviews_n_139402.html
1st vid, 2:50. haha
They include new rules governing employees who take family- and medical-related leaves, new standards for preventing or containing oil spills, and a simplified process for settling real estate transactions.
That shit had better not pass vote.QuoteThey include new rules governing employees who take family- and medical-related leaves, new standards for preventing or containing oil spills, and a simplified process for settling real estate transactions.
Fuck Bush. I really hope they find a way to throw his ass into prison. I can't wait to feel the rage when he releases his list of pardons.
At this point I think Scooby-Doo villians are more intelligent that McCain's senior advisors.:rofl
Is this the part of the thread where we all praise conservative posters and pat ourselves on the back for being open-minded?
More importantly, how does this forum not have a dismissive jerking off motion smiley? Cause seriously guys, :dismissivejerkingoffmotion
Just to clarify a few things you liberals dont actually vote based on how much free stuff you can get other people to pay for do you?you mean like a trust fund?
Just to clarify a few things you liberals dont actually vote based on how much free stuff you can get other people to pay for do you?you mean like a trust fund?
Just to clarify a few things you liberals dont actually vote based on how much free stuff you can get other people to pay for do you?
Just to clarify a few things you liberals dont actually vote based on how much free stuff you can get other people to pay for do you?
If we do, we're doing a piss-poor job of it:
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3041/2987025203_fc2c517522_o.jpg)
already been madeIs this the part of the thread where we all praise conservative posters and pat ourselves on the back for being open-minded?
More importantly, how does this forum not have a dismissive jerking off motion smiley? Cause seriously guys, :dismissivejerkingoffmotion
Please someone make this emote
i swear, they just wanna take everything from rich white elitists like me
i swear, they just wanna take everything from rich white elitists like me
we must stop this white menace before they marry our daughters and propagate
i swear, they just wanna take everything from rich white elitists like me
we must stop this white menace before they marry our daughters and propagate
you listed those steps out of order
I love how the people whowouldalready benefit the most from social services are typically the ones who are so vehemently against them.
This is happens when you break a promise on public financing so you can deliberately disable the AVS for donations on your website to ensure anyone from anywhere in the world can donate any amount of money in an effort to afford you the opportunity to outspend your opponent 4-1:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html)
This is happens when you break a promise on public financing so you can deliberately disable the AVS for donations on your website to ensure anyone from anywhere in the world can donate any amount of money in an effort to afford you the opportunity to outspend your opponent 4-1:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html)
I love how the people who would benefit the most from social services are typically the ones who are so vehemently against them. Is it pride? Ignorance? Too much meth and HFCS?
An AP poll from today says that 1 in 7 American voters are still undecided.
1 in 7.
1 in 7.
How stupid are people?
This is happens when you break a promise on public financing so you can deliberately disable the AVS for donations on your website to ensure anyone from anywhere in the world can donate any amount of money in an effort to afford you the opportunity to outspend your opponent 4-1:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html)
This is happens when you break a promise on public financing so you can deliberately disable the AVS for donations on your website to ensure anyone from anywhere in the world can donate any amount of money in an effort to afford you the opportunity to outspend your opponent 4-1:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html)
I say, a system where only the richest can donate only large amounts of money is to be preferred, pip pip cheerio eh wot :tophat
An AP poll from today says that 1 in 7 American voters are still undecided.
1 in 7.
1 in 7.
How stupid are people?
they're not undecided; they're just being coy so they don't appear to be in the tank for a particular side. hell, when i get called, i'm tempted to tell the pollfags that i'm undecided just so they won't make assumptions. i have this knee-jerk reaction to "team" associations. yes, i suck!
I was talking to my buddy's girlfriend last night about this anti-Socialist movement in the country. She was in the Navy after getting out of college, and mentioned how socialist the military is. It always boggled her to watch a guy slam any sort of program that was communal in nature in civilian society then in the same breath bitch about how he didn't get his allotment for dependents (just as with welfare, you get more money for each child you have - not enough to cover all costs, naturally).
This is happens when you break a promise on public financing so you can deliberately disable the AVS for donations on your website to ensure anyone from anywhere in the world can donate any amount of money in an effort to afford you the opportunity to outspend your opponent 4-1:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1008/15127.html)
Going to a party on Tuesday night. I wonder if our only conservative friend will attend and try to spout Michael Savage BS all night long...
I bought a couple 4-packs of Jones Soda Yes We Can Cola for election night. We're gonna use it for mixed drinks.
Going to a party on Tuesday night. I wonder if our only conservative friend will attend and try to spout Michael Savage BS all night long...
I bought a couple 4-packs of Jones Soda Yes We Can Cola for election night. We're gonna use it for mixed drinks.
Where are they selling that?
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
If McCain wins, I am going to step away from the internet for a while and crawl into an alcohol- and marijuana-filled hole for a few weeks, until I feel ready to face the world again without saying anything foolishly hyperbolic. So the look on my face will be somewhere between Truman Capote and Jeff Spicoli.
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
If McCain wins, I am going to step away from the internet for a while and crawl into an alcohol- and marijuana-filled hole for a few weeks, until I feel ready to face the world again without saying anything foolishly hyperbolic. So the look on my face will be somewhere between Truman Capote and Jeff Spicoli.
Orson Welles was so hot. I'd let him fuck me. Any iteration of him, too.
:bow Orson :bow2Orson Welles was so hot. I'd let him fuck me. Any iteration of him, too.
cocky young is my favorite
it's a shame we can't just give people like that infinite amounts of money and say "go"
http://gawker.com/5072722/barack-obama-cockblocker
This man is so magic. Obama is the greatest. He'll call you up and apologize for cockblocking you.
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
If McCain wins, I am going to step away from the internet for a while and crawl into an alcohol- and marijuana-filled hole for a few weeks, until I feel ready to face the world again without saying anything foolishly hyperbolic. So the look on my face will be somewhere between Truman Capote and Jeff Spicoli.
You can find torrents of Chimes at Midnight pretty easily, or I can upload/burn you a copy. It's in legal hell and will likely never be released in the US. I don't know why, because as far as I recall, it's his daughter or something that is holding up release, but Orson completed the whole movie on his own with no studio fuckery.
Did youc heck out Mr. Arkadin? There's that Criterion box set with like 3 different cuts of it. I like that one a lot because it's interesting to guess at what Orson's final cut would have looked like, or even where he was ultimately going with the picture.
mccain wining is nowhere near as bad as palin winning. idiots will think she's ready as she needs to be for the presidency.It can be one in the same. McCain pretty old, dude.
After the last week of market disasters and scenes of mobs clamoring for just a glimpse of Barack Hussein Obama, I had all of these thoughts fresh in my mind as I ended my radio show and finally fell asleep last Saturday. My last conscious thoughts were of the dark clouds coming ashore in America and what our response to martial law, shortages, imprisoned patriots, and riots would be…………..
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
if you actually were unlucky enough to see the look on my face in person, it would be the last thing you saw.
I know obama is gonna win. But man if mccain won somehow. I would love to see the looks on your faces.
if you actually were unlucky enough to see the look on my face in person, it would be the last thing you saw.
Did you just threaten to kill another member?
BlackMage has threatened to kill most of the better members here. It's a rite of passage.spoiler (click to show/hide)you have been much calmer[close]
His term ends in 2010 and I don't see him sticking around after that.
Maybe he'll make a grand gesture or two to salvage his reputation on the way. Bucking his party on immigration again, something like that.
Man, McCain's concession speech is gonna be awesome. And when I say awesome, I mean I'm looking forward to him choking out some sort of vague well wishing.
God, fuck you CNN. Already stirring the pot on a possible McCain comeback.
DON'T DO THIS TO ME
God, fuck you CNN. Already stirring the pot on a possible McCain comeback.
DON'T DO THIS TO ME
Fox News has already beat them to the punch. Hannity is reporting that McCain is now in the lead in their new poll.....lol
the funny thing is if you remember that "traditional" Gallup poll that had Obama only up by 3, that Drudge was hyping to the ends of creation last week...
Obama's up by 8 in that model today...crickets...crickets
http://www.tindeck.com/audio/filestore/w/wwdo-SarahPalin.mp3
Holy shit. :rofl
http://www.tindeck.com/audio/filestore/w/wwdo-SarahPalin.mp3
Holy shit. :rofl
http://www.tindeck.com/audio/filestore/w/wwdo-SarahPalin.mp3
Holy shit. :rofl
http://www.tindeck.com/audio/filestore/w/wwdo-SarahPalin.mp3
Holy shit. :rofl
wow americaFor some reason I though America still had those, 'right to refuse service anyone' laws. Actually no one would be blatant as that it would've of been better if they asked he to remove her scarf for 'security purposes' and see if people caught on.
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=g3jZjm8xMwg [esp: the people at the first few minutes; but the rest of the clip rassures me a bit]
it's from March 2008 but i think it's relevant.
for thhe lazy: 12 stood against the guy, 6 stood for him, and 23 did jack shit
wow america
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=g3jZjm8xMwg [esp: the people at the first few minutes; but the rest of the clip rassures me a bit]
it's from March 2008 but i think it's relevant.
for thhe lazy: 12 stood against the guy, 6 stood for him, and 23 did jack shit
I read PoliGAF and I have to LOL at the chickenshit handwringing going on there. Most are thinking Obama will struggle to get 300 EVs when even Karl fucking Rove, who has "the math," shows Obama getting at least 311 EVs with the potential to get up to 67 more.
Its one thing to act like its 20 pts behind to motivate the supporters to press for more Obama votes, its another thing to actually believe it.
I read PoliGAF and I have to LOL at the chickenshit handwringing going on there. Most are thinking Obama will struggle to get 300 EVs when even Karl fucking Rove, who has "the math," shows Obama getting at least 311 EVs with the potential to get up to 67 more.
Its one thing to act like its 20 pts behind to motivate the supporters to press for more Obama votes, its another thing to actually believe it.
As usual with poligaf, Amirox is to blame. He's probably the worst thing to happen to that forum in general in the past three years or so, and that's saying a lot.
oh my god that shocking new revelation has made me decide to not turn in my ballot.
I read PoliGAF and I have to LOL at the chickenshit handwringing going on there. Most are thinking Obama will struggle to get 300 EVs when even Karl fucking Rove, who has "the math," shows Obama getting at least 311 EVs with the potential to get up to 67 more.
Its one thing to act like its 20 pts behind to motivate the supporters to press for more Obama votes, its another thing to actually believe it.
As usual with poligaf, Amirox is to blame. He's probably the worst thing to happen to that forum in general in the past three years or so, and that's saying a lot.
They really want you back over there, Triumph. Hitokage even considered reinstating your account in the Poligaf thread.
oh my god that shocking new revelation has made me decide to not turn in my ballot.
You're ok.
It doesnt affect people who dont work for a living.
Fuck you, I bust my ass 40-50 hours a week.
coal minors
I read PoliGAF and I have to LOL at the chickenshit handwringing going on there. Most are thinking Obama will struggle to get 300 EVs when even Karl fucking Rove, who has "the math," shows Obama getting at least 311 EVs with the potential to get up to 67 more.
Its one thing to act like its 20 pts behind to motivate the supporters to press for more Obama votes, its another thing to actually believe it.
http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Live/video/clips/countdown-with-keith-olbermann/805561/
:rofl
??? How did he cheat?
The "KARL ROVE IS AN ELECTION JENIUS" thing is bullshit. If he really knew what was going on with elections, he wouldn't have had to cheat to win one, and squeeze in on the margins of another. Maybe he knows hot to cheat in elections, but he sure doesn't know that much about winning them.
??? How did he cheat?
The "KARL ROVE IS AN ELECTION JENIUS" thing is bullshit. If he really knew what was going on with elections, he wouldn't have had to cheat to win one, and squeeze in on the margins of another. Maybe he knows hot to cheat in elections, but he sure doesn't know that much about winning them.
I think more than a few people there secretly want Obama to lose for whatever reason.I doubt this. It's more likely they come from the PD way of thinking of low expectations and not letting themselves get too caught up in the history of the event.
I'm not worrying...but I'm not feeling confident. I have a feeling PA is going to fuck things up
So what was the scuttlebutt around this time in 2004? Was everyone this confident in Kerry?
If so, :-\
oh my god that shocking new revelation has made me decide to not turn in my ballot.
You're ok.
It doesnt affect people who dont work for a living.
Fuck you, I bust my ass 40-50 hours a week.
Masturbating isn't considered work.
Republicans are really clutching at straws:Chris Cannon is a legendary piece of shit. He is even disliked among Utah republicans for going too far, o much so they voted him out in the last primary.
Republicans battle to prove Ayers wrote Barack memoir
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24591711-2703,00.html
Republicans are really clutching at straws:Chris Cannon is a legendary piece of shit. He is even disliked among Utah republicans for going too far, o much so they voted him out in the last primary.
Republicans battle to prove Ayers wrote Barack memoir
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24591711-2703,00.html
Andy McCarthy at The Corner has been beating drum for this particular rumor (http://edgeofthewest.wordpress.com/2008/10/12/who-really-wrote-obamas-dreams-from-my-father/).
It was actually my favorite of the whimsical smear jobs on Obama until Pam Gellar wrote an exhaustive post showing that Malcom X is Barack Obama's real biological father (http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/10/how-could-stanl.html).
One of my best friends got an Obama-as-Antichrist text from his sister (unironically; she's a born-again Republican) today. That's so last season.
The right wing kept up a steady hate-on for Bill Clinton. The DLC's own deficit-busting, police-funding, free-trading, welfare-cutting, deregulating Bill Clinton.
No doubt they'll be able to convince themselves of how horrible Obama is as a person and president no matter how reality plays out.
hit 100 pages boom