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General => Dysfunctional Hall of Fame => Topic started by: Billy Rygar on November 05, 2008, 02:29:05 AM

Title: Dear California
Post by: Billy Rygar on November 05, 2008, 02:29:05 AM
Fuck you, you ignorant bigots.  i should move to whatever bumblefuck, heehaw state beardo lives in so i get blue state tax dollars.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: demi on November 05, 2008, 02:29:52 AM
Come to Ohio and we can go to COSI!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2008, 02:30:54 AM
Ohio is totally redeemed tonight
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: demi on November 05, 2008, 02:31:25 AM
Shower me with gifts, for tonight, I saved America.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 05, 2008, 02:32:32 AM
From now on, Mormons rank lower than Scientologists.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Smooth Groove on November 05, 2008, 02:33:10 AM
Ohio is totally redeemed tonight

They voted correctly last time too.  Republicans just cheated.

A friend in grad school did some research and found there were too many statistic oddities for them to be coincidental.  
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 05, 2008, 02:33:21 AM
GAF had a chart showing it was black people responsible for it passing.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 02:35:00 AM
I'd imagine so - black people are voting yes 69-31, and with the record Obama turnout...
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Bloodwake on November 05, 2008, 02:35:00 AM
From now on, Mormons rank lower than Scientologists.

When haven't they?

Shit, even most CHRISTIANS think their shit sounds crazy.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2008, 02:38:15 AM
mormons are scum. i agree with tvc and genghis: they are officially the lowest form of religiotard from this day forward.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2008, 02:38:59 AM
I'd imagine so - black people are voting yes 69-31, and with the record Obama turnout...

so a yes vote is actually a no for the down low :'(
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Rman on November 05, 2008, 02:42:32 AM
What the hell, California?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: demi on November 05, 2008, 02:46:11 AM
Black president, or homos marrying. Not both. You sillies, you should know better.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 05, 2008, 02:47:18 AM
uhh, I dunno. Palin was a pretty dangerous VP pick.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: AdmiralViscen on November 05, 2008, 02:49:52 AM
Missourri is the new Ohio, 400 votes short of Obama.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: demi on November 05, 2008, 02:51:04 AM
JUST typical of fukin libruls to want EVERYTHING

WELL TOO FUCKING BAD
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: ToxicAdam on November 05, 2008, 02:52:35 AM
You should move to Minnesota. The place that birthed that fruit, Prince.

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 02:54:15 AM
I kind of never want to talk to my Mormon friends ("friends"?) again, or really anyone who's Mormon, period.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: demi on November 05, 2008, 03:05:43 AM
HATE, HATE,HATE

SUDDENLY HATE IS COOL
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: demi on November 05, 2008, 03:06:36 AM
You think Ellen DeGeneres is gonna cry on national television?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 05, 2008, 03:09:02 AM
I kind of never want to talk to my Mormon friends ("friends"?) again, or really anyone who's Mormon, period.

Yeah, practicing mormons are off my civility list.  Frankly, I think LDS should be stripped of its tax exempt status for fucking with the elections in states where they are an extreme minority.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: FatalT on November 05, 2008, 03:41:03 AM
You think Ellen DeGeneres is gonna cry on national television?

She'll be crying into Rosie O'Donnell's fat hairy twat.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: drozmight on November 05, 2008, 03:52:52 AM
Booooooo it's passing.

We have a ban on same-sex marriage here in Warshington, but we now have domestic partnerships as of this summer which are kinda basically the same thing, only called something different.  Separate but not equal much?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 05, 2008, 03:55:41 AM
So when will America get an openly gay president?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 05, 2008, 03:59:26 AM
Most likely that they have the same legal rights as a heterosexual marriage but it's not called a 'marriage' and nothing regarding children etc.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: drozmight on November 05, 2008, 04:05:17 AM
Booooooo it's passing.

We have a ban on same-sex marriage here in Warshington, but we now have domestic partnerships as of this summer which are kinda basically the same thing, only called something different.  Separate but not equal much?

 ??? ??? ???

I don't think the domestic partnerships have allllllll of the same rights marriages do.  I'd have to look it up, but I'm lazy.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: trippingmartian on November 05, 2008, 04:08:03 AM
So when will America get an openly gay president?
GWB has been openly shitdicking the US economy for the last 8 years.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: warcock on November 05, 2008, 04:54:53 AM
Ya ok! the black vote in so cal. Like all 100k of them. No friends, prop 8 passed because of the cathomexis, pure and simple. Its pretty sad, but hey im going to make the most of this and pretend like this is like shoving my big finger in norcal's face. woot.

:(
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: xnikki118x on November 05, 2008, 05:09:33 AM
Booooooo it's passing.

We have a ban on same-sex marriage here in Warshington, but we now have domestic partnerships as of this summer which are kinda basically the same thing, only called something different.  Separate but not equal much?

 ??? ??? ???

I don't think the domestic partnerships have allllllll of the same rights marriages do.  I'd have to look it up, but I'm lazy.

They do not. Marriages actually have 100+ more rights than civil unions/domestic partnerships do.

I can't believe prop 8 passed. I'm sick to my stomach over it and seriously wanna cry.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 05, 2008, 05:15:33 AM
Ya ok! the black vote in so cal. Like all 100k of them. No friends, prop 8 passed because of the cathomexis, pure and simple. Its pretty sad, but hey im going to make the most of this and pretend like this is like shoving my big finger in norcal's face. woot.

:(

the russians were heavily against it as well
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: xnikki118x on November 05, 2008, 05:18:44 AM
Okay wait, everything I'm reading says prop 8 is still too close to call. Did it actually go through or is it still too close?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 05, 2008, 06:13:52 AM
its still possible it could change I think
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: brawndolicious on November 05, 2008, 06:23:36 AM
52% voted yes and 86% of precincts have reported so far.  Since it's mostly because of black voters that prop 8 has a chance, it could change a lot one way or the other depending on what precincts are left.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: cloudwalking on November 05, 2008, 06:29:53 AM
this is gonna be really close either way. i just hope there are enough "no" voters left to shoot this thing down. prop 8 is bullshit and the people who voted yes on it are assholes
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2008, 07:35:30 AM
This is sad.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Beardo on November 05, 2008, 08:59:11 AM
So since its blacks that voted yes on prop 8 are you liberals saying that black people are scum now?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2008, 09:19:13 AM
So since its blacks that voted yes on prop 8 are you liberals saying that black people are scum now?

No. But people who try to incite race hatred on the flimsiest of pretexts, however...yup.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2008, 09:28:04 AM
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So since its blacks that voted yes on prop 8 are you liberals saying that black people are scum now?

the worst thing about arguing with people like Beardo is they are too stupid to realise they've lost :(


the best thing is that they do all the work for you. it evens out!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: patrickula on November 05, 2008, 09:58:34 AM
Yeah this really bums me out  :(
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2008, 10:02:50 AM
Shit List:
Alaska (Stevens won wtf)
California
Ohio
Florida
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2008, 10:21:01 AM
Chin up gays. As long as you are the minority, people are going to tell you how to live. It's the way it is and it sucks. Please realize this is just a temporary set back. Go out and suck a cock today as a big middle finger to the mean blacks who held you back.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 05, 2008, 10:40:23 AM
Put away the saw, Bugs, Florida is no longer embarrassing to live in.  :-*
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 05, 2008, 11:15:13 AM
It isn't?  Prop 2 there passed with 68% of the vote.

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on November 05, 2008, 11:21:39 AM
It isn't?  Prop 2 there passed with 68% of the vote.


There's no election drama. That's good enough for me.  :-*
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 05, 2008, 11:25:10 AM
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Missourri is the new Ohio, 400 votes short of Obama.

it's my & friends' fault for moving to Portland :guilt
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: T234 on November 05, 2008, 11:26:20 AM
Yep, WARCOCKS state still sucks.

QUAKE >>>>> COUNTER STRIKE

SUCK IT DOWN OH WAIT YOU GUYS VOTED AGAINST IT
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: tiesto on November 05, 2008, 11:48:24 AM
Damn, I go to sleep and this is what happens... Stevens wins and Prop 8 gets voted in. That's a bit of a killjoy :(
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 05, 2008, 12:29:39 PM


White Man, there's an LDS church a block away from my apartment, want me to egg it or something. (actually there are about half a dozen different types of churches within two blocks of my apartment, which I find weird)

I'd imagine so - black people are voting yes 69-31, and with the record Obama turnout...
Blacks, on average, are pretty socially conservative about certain issues.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on November 05, 2008, 12:34:33 PM
I can't believe it actually passed considering that the only people who seemed to back it were oddball fundies. ???

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: muckhole on November 05, 2008, 12:41:10 PM
I can't believe it actually passed considering that the only people who seemed to back it were oddball fundies. ???



Well, oddball fundies and ignorant people. Which we know both have quite high numbers.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 05, 2008, 12:46:14 PM
Didn't Arnold even say he against Prop. 8?

California, you suck.  Everyone move to Ohio, we rock today.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: hyp on November 05, 2008, 12:58:27 PM
look on the bright side.  we voted for the bullet train from SF to LA  :rock

and looks like BART to the silicon valley is gonna pass.  hell yea.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 05, 2008, 01:14:18 PM
I can't believe it actually passed considering that the only people who seemed to back it were oddball fundies. ???



http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/county/#CAI01map

Sacramento :'( There's a big Mormon church right across from the apartment complex I used to live at. There were "Yes on 8" signs all over town. Well, at least we got Obama.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Rman on November 05, 2008, 01:17:27 PM
look on the bright side.  we voted for the bullet train from SF to LA  :rock

and looks like BART to the silicon valley is gonna pass.  hell yea.

That's awesome.  I love mass transit initiatives.  I'm not familiar with the West Coast, but everyone I know from there always sez the traffic is crazy, especially in SoCal.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 01:19:00 PM
look on the bright side.  we voted for the bullet train from SF to LA  :rock

cool, maybe the gays can sit in the back
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Arbys Roast Beef Sandwich on November 05, 2008, 01:20:10 PM
look on the bright side.  we voted for the bullet train from SF to LA  :rock

and looks like BART to the silicon valley is gonna pass.  hell yea.
Yeah the bullet train is gonna be BALLIN'. Wonder how long a trip from LA to SF is gonna be on it.

OC and SD disappoint me, I thought we didn't have much fundies in the area.  :gun
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: T234 on November 05, 2008, 01:21:38 PM
Can you guys ever vote on this again? Because if you could, the religious right cannot win forever. Eventually they WILL run out of money.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 05, 2008, 01:22:20 PM
Orange County is super-conservative
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 05, 2008, 01:24:18 PM
Is there a site that shows all the props for each state?

Also bullet trains >>>>> equal rights. Sorry guys.  :-[
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 05, 2008, 01:32:30 PM
Dan Savage is pissed.

Quote from: Dan Savage
Black Homophobia

posted by Dan Savage on November 5 at 9:55 AM

African American voters in California voted overwhelmingly for Prop 8, writing anti-gay discrimination into California’s constitution and banning same-sex marriage in that state. Seventy percent of African American voters approved Prop 8, according to exit polls, compared to 53% of Latino voters, 49% of white voters, 49% of Asian voters.

I’m not sure what to do with this. I’m thrilled that we’ve just elected our first African-American president. I wept last night. I wept reading the papers this morning. But I can’t help but feeling hurt that the love and support aren’t mutual.

I do know this, though: I’m done pretending that the handful of racist gay white men out there—and they’re out there, and I think they’re scum—are a bigger problem for African Americans, gay and straight, than the huge numbers of homophobic African Americans are for gay Americans, whatever their color.

This will get my name scratched of the invite list of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force, which is famous for its anti-racist-training seminars, but whatever.

Finally, I’m searching for some exit poll data from California. I’ll eat my shorts if gay and lesbian voters went for McCain at anything approaching the rate that black voters went for Prop 8.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: jiji on November 05, 2008, 01:38:52 PM
I apologize for this shitty state of Utah.  :-\
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 05, 2008, 01:41:55 PM
Is there a site that shows all the props for each state?

Also bullet trains >>>>> equal rights. Sorry guys.  :-[
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/ballot.measures/
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Human Snorenado on November 05, 2008, 01:54:27 PM
I don't buy those exit polls; they don't add up to how the final vote is gonna end up being.  I think there's probably some sort of weird effect where white people said they voted against it but voted for it in the booth.  Call it the "Agadore Spartacus" Effect.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Oblivion on November 05, 2008, 01:57:31 PM
Yeah, I honestly didn't expect this shit to fly in Cali.

Just out of curiosity, is there any legitimate non-religiotard reason people want to ban gay marriage?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 05, 2008, 01:58:15 PM
Atleast Arizona Proposition 202:
Hiring Illegal Immigrants

didn't pass.

Fuck illegals.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 02:08:11 PM
hey, where's that comic about getting with a dude? I think that may give us some insight into the African American community
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2008, 02:08:37 PM
Anyone have the exit poll results pic, on race?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 02:15:13 PM
Anyone have the exit poll results pic, on race?

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/MINIggy03/prop8.jpg)
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2008, 02:43:24 PM
It's a shame that on a night where we shattered a 400 year high glass ceiling we helped to segregate another demographic
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: demi on November 05, 2008, 02:44:16 PM
And you wonder why you guys are fucking USELESS. You can't even do anything aside from make peanut butter.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 05, 2008, 02:52:55 PM
Anyone have the exit poll results pic, on race?

(http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/MINIggy03/prop8.jpg)

Those numbers don't add up, unless 8 failed
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 05, 2008, 03:01:08 PM
I see. 

So has it officially failed now?

I really like hoe Obama mentioned gays in his speech, just as they are getting rights removed.

Also what rights don't people get with civil union as compared to marriage? 
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm

Civil unions are basically "separate but equal," except they're not equal.

It's like a nest of confusing laws that not everyone recognizes vs. "THAT'S MY HUSBAND"
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 05, 2008, 03:06:01 PM
http://lesbianlife.about.com/cs/wedding/a/unionvmarriage.htm
Separate, but equal unequal.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 03:19:24 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/5/13351/5326/393/654565

Sums up why I'm not beating myself up, though I am certainly mad:

1) It was close, and history and demographics are on our side.
2) No on 8 was, frankly, incompetent. They brought a knife to a NUKE fight. Yes on 8 used every dirty lying trick in the book, and No on 8 just sort of asked people to please be nice, if it's not too much trouble. By the time No on 8 woke up to what was happening, they'd already squandered a 20-point advantage. As Obama showed, it's not enough to be right - you also have to be ruthless. Next time will be different from the start.
3) In addition to being incompetent, No on 8 completely failed to seek out or use any of its high-profile endorsements. Why didn't Schwarzenegger cut an ad? Why didn't Obama? Why didn't any of the hundreds of celebrities who opposed this?
4) I am mad. Lots of people are mad. I only realized how close this was and started fighting a few weeks before the election. Unfortunately, a lot of Californians are being surprised by Yes on 8's success for the first time this morning. So they're mad, too, and they'll join the fight.
5) An Obama victory means a more progressive direction for America, the mainstreaming of LGBT opinions into the national discourse, and more liberal judges and justices if this gets challenged in court. All of these will be advantages the next time it's challenges.

So yeah. It sucks, and it's a setback, but it's a temporary one. The thing which makes me maddest is that we have to wait until 2010 for our first rematch.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 05, 2008, 03:25:38 PM
Gay marriage will happen in our lifetimes.  This is just a relatively minor inconvenience.  If people were shocked that it passed, they will come out in numbers to bring back gay marriage in CA, along with greater endorsements.

Losing the battle, winning the war, etc.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Brehvolution on November 05, 2008, 03:38:23 PM
It's still pretty comical to me that people living in Utah care so much about the sex lives of Californians. :S
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: hyp on November 05, 2008, 03:40:52 PM
look on the bright side.  we voted for the bullet train from SF to LA  :rock

cool, maybe the gays can sit in the back

 :lol
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Madrun Badrun on November 05, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: xnikki118x on November 05, 2008, 03:43:17 PM
It's still pretty comical to me that people living in Utah care so much about the sex lives of Californians. :S

Yes, this. WTF?

I'm still holding onto hope!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Fresh Prince on November 05, 2008, 04:01:08 PM
It's still pretty comical to me that people living in Utah care so much about the sex lives of Californians. :S
Gay is passed on by wind.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: muckhole on November 05, 2008, 05:43:41 PM
Gay is passed on by wind.

There's a bad "The Happening" joke in there somewhere, but I'm not clever enough to dig it out.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 05, 2008, 06:10:17 PM
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/5/13351/5326/393/654565

Sums up why I'm not beating myself up, though I am certainly mad:

1) It was close, and history and demographics are on our side.
2) No on 8 was, frankly, incompetent. They brought a knife to a NUKE fight. Yes on 8 used every dirty lying trick in the book, and No on 8 just sort of asked people to please be nice, if it's not too much trouble. By the time No on 8 woke up to what was happening, they'd already squandered a 20-point advantage. As Obama showed, it's not enough to be right - you also have to be ruthless. Next time will be different from the start.
3) In addition to being incompetent, No on 8 completely failed to seek out or use any of its high-profile endorsements. Why didn't Schwarzenegger cut an ad? Why didn't Obama? Why didn't any of the hundreds of celebrities who opposed this?
4) I am mad. Lots of people are mad. I only realized how close this was and started fighting a few weeks before the election. Unfortunately, a lot of Californians are being surprised by Yes on 8's success for the first time this morning. So they're mad, too, and they'll join the fight.
5) An Obama victory means a more progressive direction for America, the mainstreaming of LGBT opinions into the national discourse, and more liberal judges and justices if this gets challenged in court. All of these will be advantages the next time it's challenges.

So yeah. It sucks, and it's a setback, but it's a temporary one. The thing which makes me maddest is that we have to wait until 2010 for our first rematch.

this. we won the white house, and now it's time to drop the hammer on the homophobes.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 05, 2008, 07:33:05 PM
My wife had to break up a screaming match at her work over prop 8. :-\

It's interesting that even the most liberal states can be so against gay marriage, hell even the thought of gays marrying. wtf mang

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 05, 2008, 08:31:54 PM
wrong thread
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2008, 11:25:27 PM
Yeah, I honestly didn't expect this shit to fly in Cali.

Just out of curiosity, is there any legitimate non-religiotard reason people want to ban gay marriage?

Protect the "traditional nuclear family." Protect "traditional marriage" (traditional in America, not traditional dating back to Sumerian days). Those are the reasons I've heard. I don't really have an opinion one way or the other.

I realize that you've got a neutral position here but neither of those strike me as legitimate. Both hinge on the word 'traditional'. ANY new law or amendment is going to alter what is deemed 'traditional' (i.e. what the law has decreed to that point).
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 06, 2008, 12:54:18 AM

Among the people I talked to who voted Yes, it is true that some of them do hate homosexuals and believe that they will burn in hell, but most of them don't actually hate homosexuals. They simply see homosexuality as unnatural.
...
most of the people I know who voted Yes don't hate them; rather, they simply want to keep marriage between a man and a woman, and they don't see marriage as a "civil right."

I have more trouble understanding this point of view. At least I can write off the fundies and Mormons as brainwashed nutters, but clinging to this romanticized notion of sanctifying love and all that crap is just inane. My dad was trying to argue this same bullshit a couple of weeks ago.  It's more about the legal issues than anything, eg joint taxation, joint property rights, and survivor's pension.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2008, 01:04:46 AM
The best possible argument I could think up is one in which I assume that homosexuality is completely a choice. Making this assumption, marriage, along with the tolerance of the community at large, might cause many people to "choose" to become gay. This might then lead to a massive drop in the birth-rate, destabilizing society, and leading to a Communist take-over lead by Triumph.

Sure, it's a silly, implausible argument with a false premise, but it's better than the "Bible says it's wrong" or "it's unnatural" or "shit Webster's will have to change their definition of marriage."
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 01:11:00 AM
I have more trouble understanding this point of view. At least I can write off the fundies and Mormons as brainwashed nutters, but clinging to this romanticized notion of sanctifying love and all that crap is just inane. My dad was trying to argue this same bullshit a couple of weeks ago.  It's more about the legal issues than anything, eg joint taxation, joint property rights, and survivor's pension.

I think I didn't explain well enough. Most of the people I talked to who voted Yes are in favor of all of those things being given to gay couples. They are in favor of homosexual civil unions being expanded to include every right that married couples have. They are opposed to the word "marriage" being used to describe these unions.

then they're even more idiotic if they'd condemn a large group of people to second-class status because of the their perceived definition of a fucking word.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 06, 2008, 01:14:16 AM
I have more trouble understanding this point of view. At least I can write off the fundies and Mormons as brainwashed nutters, but clinging to this romanticized notion of sanctifying love and all that crap is just inane. My dad was trying to argue this same bullshit a couple of weeks ago.  It's more about the legal issues than anything, eg joint taxation, joint property rights, and survivor's pension.

I think I didn't explain well enough. Most of the people I talked to who voted Yes are in favor of all of those things being given to gay couples. They are in favor of homosexual civil unions being expanded to include every right that married couples have. They are opposed to the word "marriage" being used to describe these unions.

Not seeing why the distinction even needs to be made, other than for the sake of preserving tradition that is inherently wrong. "Those fegs are going dirty up our marriage" is pretty much all that says
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Phoenix Dark on November 06, 2008, 01:15:30 AM
last time i checked the divorce rate was 50%+

hateros have already fucked marriage up enough
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 01:16:08 AM
I don't buy those exit polls; they don't add up to how the final vote is gonna end up being.  I think there's probably some sort of weird effect where white people said they voted against it but voted for it in the booth.  Call it the "Agadore Spartacus" Effect.

hahahahaha ugh
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2008, 01:18:28 AM
last time i checked the divorce rate was 50%+

hateros have already fucked marriage up enough
From what I understand, that stat is inflated (it's more in the low forties). But your point stands, marriage is not some sacred institution that gays will fuck up.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on November 06, 2008, 01:19:03 AM
Gays are the last group that can be openly hated on in the US.  Well, maybe the Muslims and in certain backwater pockets, black people.

WASPs just want to cling onto their one last group to hate.  
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2008, 01:20:15 AM
Gays are the last group that can be openly hated on in the US.  Well, maybe the Muslims and in certain backwater pockets, black people.

WASPs just want to cling onto their one last group to hate.  
Yes, I blame it on the WASPS!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2008, 01:25:55 AM
I think we could think of some groups that are more likely to oppose gay marriage than White Anglo-Saxons from mainline protestant denominations, a group that I doubt makes up more than 15% of Americans.

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 01:43:19 AM
Eh, they should let people marry whoever they want. I wonder if the supporters think there should be 3 way marriages too, like some polygamist people want. If not, that seems kind of hypocritical too. What is marriage despite being some document saying you are and some marginal legal rights, usually when the other person is sick or dies or whatever? It really shouldn't even be a big deal or voted on, just do it, who gives a crap what people do. Gay folk should have the right to ruin their life through the sanctity of marriage like any other pussy loving folk.  :P
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 06, 2008, 01:49:24 AM
I have more trouble understanding this point of view. At least I can write off the fundies and Mormons as brainwashed nutters, but clinging to this romanticized notion of sanctifying love and all that crap is just inane. My dad was trying to argue this same bullshit a couple of weeks ago.  It's more about the legal issues than anything, eg joint taxation, joint property rights, and survivor's pension.

I think I didn't explain well enough. Most of the people I talked to who voted Yes are in favor of all of those things being given to gay couples. They are in favor of homosexual civil unions being expanded to include every right that married couples have. They are opposed to the word "marriage" being used to describe these unions.

then they're even more idiotic if they'd condemn a large group of people to second-class status because of the their perceived definition of a fucking word.

:bow
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 06, 2008, 01:54:19 AM
Gays are the last group that can be openly hated on in the US.  Well, maybe the Muslims and in certain backwater pockets, black people.

WASPs just want to cling onto their one last group to hate.  
what the fuck are you talking about?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Anglo-Saxon_Protestant
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 01:54:44 AM
I have more trouble understanding this point of view. At least I can write off the fundies and Mormons as brainwashed nutters, but clinging to this romanticized notion of sanctifying love and all that crap is just inane. My dad was trying to argue this same bullshit a couple of weeks ago.  It's more about the legal issues than anything, eg joint taxation, joint property rights, and survivor's pension.

I think I didn't explain well enough. Most of the people I talked to who voted Yes are in favor of all of those things being given to gay couples. They are in favor of homosexual civil unions being expanded to include every right that married couples have. They are opposed to the word "marriage" being used to describe these unions.

then they're even more idiotic if they'd condemn a large group of people to second-class status because of the their perceived definition of a fucking word.

Sounds like some people calling video games, "non games." IT DOESN'T FIT THE DEFINITION OF A GAME, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CALL IT THAT!  :lol
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:04:17 AM
well, ludicrous analogy likening videogames to human beings aside, you pretty much set the standard for "butthurt ninthing" by sticking THAT little non sequitur in a serious thread
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 06, 2008, 02:09:41 AM
I have more trouble understanding this point of view. At least I can write off the fundies and Mormons as brainwashed nutters, but clinging to this romanticized notion of sanctifying love and all that crap is just inane. My dad was trying to argue this same bullshit a couple of weeks ago.  It's more about the legal issues than anything, eg joint taxation, joint property rights, and survivor's pension.

I think I didn't explain well enough. Most of the people I talked to who voted Yes are in favor of all of those things being given to gay couples. They are in favor of homosexual civil unions being expanded to include every right that married couples have. They are opposed to the word "marriage" being used to describe these unions.

then they're even more idiotic if they'd condemn a large group of people to second-class status because of the their perceived definition of a fucking word.

Sounds like some people calling video games, "non games." IT DOESN'T FIT THE DEFINITION OF A GAME, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO CALL IT THAT!  :lol

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Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 02:11:58 AM
well, ludicrous analogy likening videogames to human beings aside, you pretty much set the standard for "butthurt ninthing" by sticking THAT little non sequitur in a serious thread

Not comparing that with people, just showing that some people make a huge deal out of perceived definitions all the time. So for whatever reason, the people who don't want gay marriage are likely married people who think their little marriage category should only be a man and a woman.

I just find it ironic YOU of all people are saying something about not sticking with "perceived" definitions since you've been the internet king of waggle/non game/kiddie whatever else definition for about 95% of your posts for forever.  :lol
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:16:51 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 06, 2008, 02:16:55 AM
well, ludicrous analogy likening videogames to human beings aside, you pretty much set the standard for "butthurt ninthing" by sticking THAT little non sequitur in a serious thread

Not comparing that with people, just showing that some people make a huge deal out of perceived definitions all the time. So for whatever reason, the people who don't want gay marriage are likely married people who think their little marriage category should only be a man and a woman.

I just find it ironic YOU of all people are saying something about not sticking with "perceived" definitions since you've been the internet king of waggle/non game/kiddie whatever else definition for about 95% of your posts for forever.  :lol
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Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 02:23:38 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 06, 2008, 02:26:12 AM
Dude, video games != politics

I don't think it's possible to simplify it much more
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2008, 02:26:51 AM
Calling wii music a non-game is the equivalent of not allowing gay people to marry? :-\

I blame this on the WASPs, those fucking pale, tennis-playing Episcopalians!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 02:29:38 AM
Prole (or recursive) write me a law wherein the longer serious internet dissussion goes on the probability of a nintendo/anime comparison gets closer to one.

Since I've given up the gaming side at GAF it's pretty jarring when somebody does that.

A poster makes some analogy where the candidates are game company execs I don't know and I just think "go back to your ghetto!"
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 02:29:59 AM
Pro-wrestling and Nintendo fan doesn't understand that important issues are judged on different standards than video games.  News at 11.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 06, 2008, 02:33:32 AM
There aren't enough Hank Hill face palms in the world.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:35:03 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!


I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol


just as nintendo's mad spiral into gaming's trailer park weights you with righteous gravitas, so does seeing several hundred thousand fellow human beings stripped of their dignity make me into a SERIOUS FACE. the difference, of course, escapes you
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 02:35:57 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 02:36:41 AM
I have more trouble understanding this point of view. At least I can write off the fundies and Mormons as brainwashed nutters, but clinging to this romanticized notion of sanctifying love and all that crap is just inane. My dad was trying to argue this same bullshit a couple of weeks ago.  It's more about the legal issues than anything, eg joint taxation, joint property rights, and survivor's pension.

I think I didn't explain well enough. Most of the people I talked to who voted Yes are in favor of all of those things being given to gay couples. They are in favor of homosexual civil unions being expanded to include every right that married couples have. They are opposed to the word "marriage" being used to describe these unions.

Not seeing why the distinction even needs to be made, other than for the sake of preserving tradition that is inherently wrong. "Those distinguished effete fellows are going dirty up our marriage" is pretty much all that says

If it is a religious tradition(And in this country, it is.) then the state saying what a marriage is against the church's definition is a conflict of church and state.  Of course, voting to define it within the state is as well.  So, prop 8 is just part of a redundant cycle of Cali politics.  

I wait for universal civil unions.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 02:36:45 AM
Pro-wrestling and Nintendo fan doesn't understand that important issues are judged on different standards than video games.  News at 11.

Hey, both those descriptors would have applied to me as recently as... eight years ago.

Oh God I've wasted so much time on forums.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 02:38:30 AM
Pro-wrestling and Nintendo fan doesn't understand that important issues are judged on different standards than video games.  News at 11.

Hey, both those descriptors would have applied to me as recently as... eight years ago.

Oh God I've wasted so much time on forums.

Last year, I averaged out all my posts on GAF and EB, and I figured that I type at a minimum 10 words in each post.  I did the math and realized I could have written like, lotsa lotsa novels with all of those ultimately wasted words.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Rman on November 06, 2008, 02:38:53 AM
Jesus this thread devolved of rational discussion quickly.  videogaming analogies in political discussion is nonsensical.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 02:41:05 AM
Hollywood: Most of GAF and any GAF refugees think its totally okay to be complete hypocrites because they are on the internet.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2008, 02:42:06 AM
Pro-wrestling and Nintendo fan doesn't understand that important issues are judged on different standards than video games.  News at 11.

Hey, both those descriptors would have applied to me as recently as... eight years ago.

Oh God I've wasted so much time on forums.

Last year, I averaged out all my posts on GAF and EB, and I figured that I type at a minimum 10 words in each post.  I did the math and realized I could have written like, lotsa lotsa novels with all of those ultimately wasted words.

On the bright side, you've written and posted several erotic, though highly disturbing, short stories involving necrophilia.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:42:53 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.

what the holy

every thread looks like a personal golgotha to the nintendo devout

get out, this is about the real world
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 02:43:38 AM
Hollywood: Most of GAF and any GAF refugees think its totally okay to be complete hypocrites because they are on the internet.

oh god you can't be this fucking stupid
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:43:56 AM
Hollywood: Most of GAF and any GAF refugees think its totally okay to be complete hypocrites because they are on the internet.

first the martyr, now the preacher

nintendo truly is a faith
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 02:46:17 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
What in god's fucking green earth are you babbling on about?  Are you seriously equating forum trolling with wide spread cultural and religious intolerance that has led to people actually being beaten to death?  Yes, all the California gays just got "trolled," you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry, must be over your head. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up videogames and just explained it: drinky talking about intolerance is funny. Ta-da. I find it funny people think this thread is serus intranet business, when all kinds of others of equal issue importance get trolled and mocked all the time. Don't get all butthurt dude, chill. Go grab your wife's tissues or something.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 02:47:21 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
What in god's fucking green earth are you babbling on about?  Are you seriously equating forum trolling with wide spread cultural and religious intolerance that has led to people actually being beaten to death?  Yes, all the California gays just got "trolled," you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry, must be over your head. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up videogames and just explained it: drinky talking about intolerance is funny. Ta-da. I find it funny people think this thread is serus intranet business, when all kinds of others of equal issue importance get trolled and mocked all the time. Don't get all butthurt dude, chill. Go grab your wife's tissues or something.

Yes, Nintendo making non-games is as equally important as Prop 8 passing.  Good jon.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 02:49:57 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
What in god's fucking green earth are you babbling on about?  Are you seriously equating forum trolling with wide spread cultural and religious intolerance that has led to people actually being beaten to death?  Yes, all the California gays just got "trolled," you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry, must be over your head. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up videogames and just explained it: drinky talking about intolerance is funny. Ta-da. I find it funny people think this thread is serus intranet business, when all kinds of others of equal issue importance get trolled and mocked all the time. Don't get all butthurt dude, chill. Go grab your wife's tissues or something.

Yes, Nintendo making non-games is as equally important as Prop 8 passing.  Good jon.

Ya cus thats what I said ya know. WINNA.

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 02:50:21 AM
Drinky, are you going to claim you're not a hypocrite?

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 02:51:44 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
What in god's fucking green earth are you babbling on about?  Are you seriously equating forum trolling with wide spread cultural and religious intolerance that has led to people actually being beaten to death?  Yes, all the California gays just got "trolled," you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry, must be over your head. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up videogames and just explained it: drinky talking about intolerance is funny. Ta-da. I find it funny people think this thread is serus intranet business, when all kinds of others of equal issue importance get trolled and mocked all the time. Don't get all butthurt dude, chill. Go grab your wife's tissues or something.

Yes, Nintendo making non-games is as equally important as Prop 8 passing.  Good jon.

Ya cus thats what I said ya know. WINNA.



You brought up a Nintendo analogy and then your stated point was the text I bolded.  What's difficult to understand here?  You think trolling Nintendo is akin to taking away the rights of gays.  You're the one that made the analogy and clarified your point.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:53:28 AM
Drinky, are you going to claim you're not a hypocrite?



inasmuch as you're capable of assessing it, yup. there's this hilarious little thing called "context"
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 02:55:27 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
What in god's fucking green earth are you babbling on about?  Are you seriously equating forum trolling with wide spread cultural and religious intolerance that has led to people actually being beaten to death?  Yes, all the California gays just got "trolled," you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry, must be over your head. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up videogames and just explained it: drinky talking about intolerance is funny. Ta-da. I find it funny people think this thread is serus intranet business, when all kinds of others of equal issue importance get trolled and mocked all the time. Don't get all butthurt dude, chill. Go grab your wife's tissues or something.

Yes, Nintendo making non-games is as equally important as Prop 8 passing.  Good jon.

Ya cus thats what I said ya know. WINNA.



You brought up a Nintendo analogy and then your stated point was the text I bolded.  What's difficult to understand here?  You think trolling Nintendo is akin to taking away the rights of gays.  You're the one that made the analogy and clarified your point.

Okay so take out Nintendo and put whatever else Drinky trolls. I don't keep up with his thousands of posts lately but I'm sure theres another here in the off topic forum, I just went with what he's most notorious for. What the subject is, isn't the point, the point was I thought it was funny Drinky was on a crusade against intolerance - when the way he posts is one of the most intolerant people I've seen around these parts. Make more sense?

Maybe he should put up a "for serious" tag on his real posts.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 02:56:55 AM
Really?  What actually important issue is he intolerant on?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Flannel Boy on November 06, 2008, 02:57:49 AM
These two things are not analogous. Being "intolerant" on the Internet doesn't end with people being denied their legal rights. Being intolerant of gays at the ballot box in California does.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:58:05 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
What in god's fucking green earth are you babbling on about?  Are you seriously equating forum trolling with wide spread cultural and religious intolerance that has led to people actually being beaten to death?  Yes, all the California gays just got "trolled," you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry, must be over your head. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up videogames and just explained it: drinky talking about intolerance is funny. Ta-da. I find it funny people think this thread is serus intranet business, when all kinds of others of equal issue importance get trolled and mocked all the time. Don't get all butthurt dude, chill. Go grab your wife's tissues or something.

internet intolerance for videogames <> real-life intolerance for human beings

i am quite intolerant of tomatoes, the music of the beatles, sports fandom, neckbeard blogs, and laser printer jams, for what it's worth

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 02:58:44 AM


Maybe he should put up a "for serious" tag on his real posts.

context, dude

lrn2read
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:00:47 AM
leper hollywood and etoilet for this derail, btw

if you wanna grudgefight me over nintendo slights, take it to gaming

fuckin' nerds
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:01:24 AM
Okay, pop quiz time!  You will be presented with several pairs of behaviors.  In each pair, one is a genuine instance of societal oppression that marginalizes and oppresses an entire cultural group.  The other will be an example of someone playing the dozens, possibly in a somewhat assholeish way but well within the boundaries of netiquette.


A) Making derogatory comments about the romantic lives of "Ninthings".

OR

B) Using the legal apparatus of a state to restrict marriage rights and privileges only to heterosexuals.



A) Ridiculing the idea of a "fursona" or "fursonality"

OR

B) Banning Jews from owning property outside of certain areas and mandating that they wear a yellow star in public.



A) Speculating about the home life of a Star Wars fan in an ungenerous manner

OR

B) Maintaining both written laws and social mores which prevent women from becoming financially independent.



A) Using dismissive terms such as "lolbertarian" and "Randroid" rather than the preferred "classic liberal" or "Objectivist"

OR

B) Supporting an unofficial shadow justice system whereby black men are castrated and lynched for talking to white women without the proper deference.



Answer key:

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If you didn't immediately smack your head and say "I, Hollywood/etiolate just got caught up in the argument and acted really dumb.  Boy is my face red!" then you FAIL FAIL FAIL
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Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:02:26 AM
you forgot "looking for a chink in the drinky armor irrespective of any common sense"

edit: did i just say CHINK

i expect a lecture incoming
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:02:42 AM
Drinky, are you going to claim you're not a hypocrite?



inasmuch as you're capable of assessing it, yup. there's this hilarious little thing called "context"

And you depend on the context of the time.

But what is the context of your irrational hatred towards people who like Nintendo? It's just irrational. Does intolerance and hatred get a coolie pass in certain cases? Your attitude is completely sensitive to time.

I just don't find any of what you say all that serious, because you're a hypocrite so often. You switch opinions to suit yourself or to suit the mood of the time. If I run across you a hundred years in the past, I expect to find a gay hating, red blooded American, for its personally acceptable and well thought of at that time.  

I don't believe you can just be a jackass all the time, then expected to be seen as tolerant due to some politics.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:03:57 AM
fortunately, i can believe you're just that stupid, so it works for both of us
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:04:13 AM
JINX
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:05:55 AM
Prole hates one aspect of a frivolous hobby, therefore, he must hate everything rational in life.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 03:06:14 AM
leper hollywood and etoilet for this derail, btw

if you wanna grudgefight me over nintendo slights, take it to gaming

fuckin' nerds

I apologize Drinky, I didn't know this gay stuff affected you so deeply. Ahem ... no pun intended.

Next time I'll pay more attention to real world Drinky vs. fake internet troller Drinky, even though he's probably compiled about 95% of his posts on the latter. Nerd? I'll stop my argument, because you only got a dozen or so posts until you hit the 20K market of coolness. Wouldn't wanna waste it on a gay thread arguing with a nerd right.  ;)

As for gay marriage, as I said earlier ... I just wish people only concerned themselves with what concerns them and let gay people do whatever they want What someone else does shouldn't really be up for vote, but thats just me.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:06:21 AM
You think that because it's a videogame, you can be a douchebag about things you don't like.

Am I right or wrong?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:06:33 AM
Does intolerance and hatred get a coolie pass in certain cases? Your attitude is completely sensitive to time.

As simply as I can say this:

Making fun of someone for their tastes in pop culture is not "intolerance" the way legislating different rights and privileges among different cultural groups is "intolerance".

They are completely different acts with totally different social costs and implications.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: BobFromPikeCreek on November 06, 2008, 03:08:00 AM
When will Drinky's hate mongering end? Thank god we have such valiant internet warriors!

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Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:08:35 AM
the purpose of analogy is comparison, waggletard. you are claiming that mocking nintendo's irrelevant new direction directly correlates to the sort of thinking that deprived hundreds of thousands of californians of basic respect and dignity. this is why ninthings don't get laid!

I'm comparing the way you act to that group of people who are set on making clarifications about the definition of message. Since you're known for being a troll, mostly in video games, I just find it funny you take offense at a bunch of homophobe's being a stiff ass about who's allowed to be declared married when you troll all the time about little definitions of shit.

I honestly expected a standard Drinky classic "HOMOS AM CRY :catlogo :catlogo :catlogo" response. It's just funny that you actually take this seriously and act like you don't understand intolerance, of all people.  :lol

My wife was in tears last night because a bunch of our friends were voted second class citizens last night by millions of people.  Way to take videogames too seriously.

It wasn't a gay marriage-videogames analogy, it was an intolerance analogy. Drinky's known for trolling everything and being intolerant. I just found it ironic HIM of all people suddenly is clueless as to how the group of idiots in California who care far too much about something that doesn't concern them is governed, just because of how they define something. He spends all his time trolling something that doesn't concern him, its not a different sentiment than people in California "trolling" with anti-gay marriage stuff and voting against it when it doesn't concern them. So I'm not sure how he doesn't understand how people have that sentiment, when he does all the time, although much less relevant.
What in god's fucking green earth are you babbling on about?  Are you seriously equating forum trolling with wide spread cultural and religious intolerance that has led to people actually being beaten to death?  Yes, all the California gays just got "trolled," you fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

Sorry, must be over your head. Maybe I shouldn't have brought up videogames and just explained it: drinky talking about intolerance is funny. Ta-da. I find it funny people think this thread is serus intranet business, when all kinds of others of equal issue importance get trolled and mocked all the time. Don't get all butthurt dude, chill. Go grab your wife's tissues or something.

Yes, Nintendo making non-games is as equally important as Prop 8 passing.  Good jon.

Ya cus thats what I said ya know. WINNA.



You brought up a Nintendo analogy and then your stated point was the text I bolded.  What's difficult to understand here?  You think trolling Nintendo is akin to taking away the rights of gays.  You're the one that made the analogy and clarified your point.

Okay so take out Nintendo and put whatever else Drinky trolls. I don't keep up with his thousands of posts lately but I'm sure theres another here in the off topic forum, I just went with what he's most notorious for. What the subject is, isn't the point, the point was I thought it was funny Drinky was on a crusade against intolerance - when the way he posts is one of the most intolerant people I've seen around these parts. Make more sense?

Maybe he should put up a "for serious" tag on his real posts.

Really?  What actually important issue is he intolerant on?

[youtube=425,350]sPi0LUF1uV8[/youtube]
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:10:48 AM
I disagree with people in their tastes for pop culture, but I don't make fun of them or spend as much energy and time into doing it as Drinky does.  What people like and dislike, their TASTES can be as much born into them as anything. I obviously state my disagreement, but I don't act like a douchebag about it. This is a part of tolerance. You can not dismiss it.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:12:03 AM
whhhhooooooa, we have just crossed the threshold into one crazy space

"nintendo is a genetically determined preference" is a WHOLE NEW WORLD for me

y'know, those jokes about martyrdom were just metaphors, guys

guys

oh jesus
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:13:29 AM
Furthermore, furries disturb me. But I can't go on a Drinky-style witch hunt for them.  It's just not in myself to do so.

Drinky, what is your feeling of how to face furries? You're pretty openly disgusted by it. Does your tolerance extend to them?

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:20:47 AM
I disagree with people in their tastes for pop culture, but I don't make fun of them or spend as much energy and time into doing it as Drinky does.  What people like and dislike, their TASTES can be as much born into them as anything. I obviously state my disagreement, but I don't act like a douchebag about it. This is a part of tolerance. You can not dismiss it.

Saying jerk-y in discussions on the internet != using the law, backed by the implicit threat of violence, to deny privileges and rights to a group of people.

That's without even getting into the difference between the GLBT community and the Nintendo fan community in terms of historical oppression and community identity, which I hope would be staggeringly obvious to anyone with more brain cells left than Terri Schiavo.


PS Drinky's said that he's got no real problem with furries but finds them too hilariously hypersensitive not to needle.  It's not like he's crashing furry cons or I dunno, sponsoring a ballot making it a felony to fuck in a Phillie Phanatic costume.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 03:23:26 AM
Context, etiolate, context.  Drinky is a grade A asshole, we understand, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because he is talking about videogames.  Please don't conflate heavy handed console trolling with real bias.



Maybe so, but the context of the poster just made it seem odd too. Drinky's a well known master troll of intolerance, so I just found it kinda funny. Maybe the issues matter on how he reacts, but he's well known for that, so it seems out of character. It would be like if some other well known ex OA/GAF guys came here and started doing stuff. Like if REIROM came over and posted proof that he has a doctorate, or olimario became an women's internet privacy advocate.  :o

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:23:30 AM
Context, etiolate, context.  Drinky is a grade A asshole, we understand, but at the end of the day it doesn't matter because he is talking about videogames.  Please don't conflate heavy handed console trolling with real bias.



I'm going down the road of what that thinking really says. Ages ago, homosexuality wasn't seen as a natural thing at all.  It was a sexual perversion, a character flaw, a choice of indulgence perhaps.  Applying this separation of what its okay to treat poorly, then I'd assume you would all be ready to bust in some homo's skull a century or so ago. My point is that Drinky's behavior or anyone following such thinking shows a penchant for following a current idealogical thought flow more than that he is tolerant in any true, solid way.

Being nice to things or people you like isn't a pillar of tolerance.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:24:45 AM
or maybe it's not out of character, but rather that your thick, lugubrious ninthing tears blind you to the other 90% of what i post
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:27:19 AM
omg

100 years from now, i will be regarded as the heinrich himmler of an entire human subspecies, homo nintendocus

omg

"remember when drinky crow coined the term 'waggle' and diminished the self-respect of literally TENS of gaf denizens?"

"truly a despicable time. dark days, dark days."
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: OptimoPeach on November 06, 2008, 03:27:22 AM
Applying this separation of what its okay to treat poorly, then I'd assume you would all be ready to bust in some homo's skull a century or so ago. My point is that Drinky's behavior or anyone following such thinking shows a penchant for following a current idealogical thought flow more than that he is tolerant in any true, solid way.

Did I miss the part where we were going around bashing in the skulls of Nintendo fans? Is there a thread where I can sign up for this?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:27:26 AM
Wow, etoilet.  Now your argument is based on past-life regression or something.,  A hundred years ago, we'd ALL probably be bashing in homo skulls.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:28:44 AM
Applying this separation of what its okay to treat poorly, then I'd assume you would all be ready to bust in some homo's skull a century or so ago.

You're eliding the massive (MASSIVE!) differences in "treating poorly" that are going on here.  I mean, wow.  You get what I'm saying, right?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:29:08 AM
Wow, etoilet.  Now your argument is based on past-life regression or something.,  A hundred years ago, we'd ALL probably be bashing in homo skulls.

Yeah, but you're the only one who'd be doing it as foreplay.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:29:11 AM
for etoilet's sake, i hope he pulls the "lol i was trolling u guys, chumps haw" card like

right

about

now

(please)
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:29:45 AM
Wow, etoilet.  Now your argument is based on past-life regression or something.,  A hundred years ago, we'd ALL probably be bashing in homo skulls.

Yeah, but you're the only one who'd be doing it as foreplay.

It's not officially sex until something's been dislocated!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:29:58 AM
I've seen you trash on many things, including furries(obiously why I brought it up). I don't buy the "its just videogames" approach, because I understand that bigotry and intolerance is a form of thinking more than anything else.

Quote
Wow, etoilet.  Now your argument is based on past-life regression or something.,  A hundred years ago, we'd ALL probably be bashing in homo skulls.

Not if your way was truly tolerant.

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 03:30:50 AM
for etoilet's sake, i hope he pulls the "lol i was trolling u guys, chumps haw" card like

right

about

now

(please)

He's going to make you waste your 20,000th post and then laugh at you.  :P
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:30:57 AM
Really, etoilet.  Tell us what you would be like if you were born 100 years ago.  Fuck, tell us what you'd be like if you were born 20 years before you actually were.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 06, 2008, 03:31:12 AM
i did think the 100 years in the future finish to obama's speech was pretty cool, yes.

john holbo is WRONG WRONG (http://crookedtimber.org/2007/06/13/rortys-rhetoric-of-anticipatory-retrospective/) here.  anticipatory retrospective is the niftiest rhetorical gambit there is.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:31:48 AM
so basically, you unroll the plastic on the steepest incline you can find, and plunge belly first down it?

by this logic, he who will not suffer everything suffers nothing

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:32:34 AM
TVC- Hopefully, I'd be tolerant.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:33:02 AM
Trolling Nintendo fans in 2008 == Murdering homos in 1908.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:34:19 AM
you could stand to be more tolerant of me and my loathesome ways
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:35:48 AM
Trolling Nintendo fans in 2008 == Murdering homos in 1908.

let's use the assignment operator rather than the equivalence one

if i troll a ninthing in the 21st century, a homo in the 20th DIES

or vice versa

this gets us closer to godwin much faster, recursively will appreciate this small but significant syntactical fix and its effect on overall local process efficiency
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:36:10 AM
Sorry, Prole, I am NOT tolerant of loli fans or Narutards.  

Also, not liking Chinese Democracy in 2008 == Pushing jews into the showers in 1938.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:36:40 AM
Yes, because telling someone you disapprove of them is tantamount to 100 year old murders, and Drinky's intolerance can be born into him just as much as Nintendo fandom or teh gay.


Man, putting together these obviously specious arguments is easy.  Is it intolerant if I mock someone for doing it full time?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:39:05 AM
etoilet disapproves of me and will possibly travel back in time to rape my grand-dad

Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:39:41 AM
Now let me get this straight, you honestly think the delta (given 100 years) between murder and trolling videogame fans on the internet is literally zero?

It's the thought process behind it, which is only buffered by current mores, which is the deal here.  

To me, "it's okay because it's.." is dangerous thinking.

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you could stand to be more tolerant of me and my loathesome ways

I tolerate you all the time =D
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:40:51 AM
Now let me get this straight, you honestly think the delta (given 100 years) between murder and trolling videogame fans on the internet is literally zero?

It's the thought process behind it, which is only buffered by current mores, which is the deal here.  

To me, "it's okay because it's.." is dangerous thinking.

Doesn't thinking "it's okay because it's. . ." is dangerous dismiss the majority of valid logical reasons for anything?  You're saying there's never a good reason for blank, where blank could be anything.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:41:40 AM
because thought translates into action!

OH JESUS TVC IS COMING FOR ALL OF US

(re: furries -- do a search for "drinky," "sonarrat," and "furries" on gaf for enlightenment. i believe that was one of my "serious" moments as hollywood likes to phrase it)
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: laesperanzapaz on November 06, 2008, 03:43:36 AM
jesus what the fuck
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:44:32 AM
Now let me get this straight, you honestly think the delta (given 100 years) between murder and trolling videogame fans on the internet is literally zero?

It's the thought process behind it, which is only buffered by current mores, which is the deal here.  

To me, "it's okay because it's.." is dangerous thinking.

Doesn't thinking "it's okay because it's. . ." dismiss the majority of valid logical reasons?  You're saying there's never a good reason for blank, where blank could be anything.

We're talking about applying visceral hatred to things and the ethics of tolerance. I am applying it to that. There's good reasons for things. I don't find good reasons for hatred.  

PS: The fact that I am putting up a real ethical question and people are ready to bail to lolsville says a lot.  
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:45:27 AM
ninthing vendettas, dude

they die very, very hard

never get between a manchild and his wall-eyed delight in non-gaming experiences
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:46:02 AM
Now let me get this straight, you honestly think the delta (given 100 years) between murder and trolling videogame fans on the internet is literally zero?

It's the thought process behind it, which is only buffered by current mores, which is the deal here.  

To me, "it's okay because it's.." is dangerous thinking.

Doesn't thinking "it's okay because it's. . ." dismiss the majority of valid logical reasons?  You're saying there's never a good reason for blank, where blank could be anything.

We're talking about applying visceral hatred to things and the ethics of tolerance. I am applying it to that. There's good reasons for things. I don't find good reasons for hatred.  

PS: The fact that I am putting up a real ethical question and people are ready to bail to lolsville says a lot.  

So basically, it relies on CONTEXT, as mentioned earlier in this thread?  Your line of thinking only applies in context to "the ethics of tolerance," whereas the behavior of Prole has to do with frivolity vs actually relevant issues?

CONTEXT!
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:46:14 AM
etiolate's stipulating an unrealistically binary concept of "tolerance" here.

Either you are Truly Tolerant or you are not.  If you are, then you are at peace with the world and never say or do anything that could ever cause anyone any sort of discomfort.

If you are not, then you are at the whim of society and its mores.  I'm not sure how those mores change, because the Intolerant would never be activists about it and the Truly Tolerant couldn't be selective about their Tolerance.

I'm not sure how this model explains the uneven and fitful expansion of rights throughout modern history.  Maybe there's something we're missing, like dark matter.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 03:46:55 AM
And I should apologize for derailing. I know Cohen wants a Prop 8 discussion.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 03:50:20 AM
etiolate, do you have any evidence for your personal Unified Theory of How Tolerance Works?  I mean, any basis whatsoever in anything academic at all?  Psychology?  Sociology?  Social history?  Neuroscience?

Or is this just your own personal reinventing-the-wheel amateur hour philosophizing?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on November 06, 2008, 03:52:16 AM
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recursively will appreciate this small but significant syntactical fix and its effect on overall local process efficiency

both are isomorphic views on the same underlying immutable value, translation/conversions are an implementation detail that can be transparently handled by the compiler, there is no need to introduce assignment or explicit state into the model.  
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 03:57:01 AM
:bow :bow lambda calculus applied to internet slapfights :bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 03:58:55 AM
Seriously, recursively, I would be sucking on your cock, with a bacon-flavored condom on, if I didn't know that a slightly post-Victorian version of myself and Prole would soon be bashing my skull in.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 04:00:09 AM
Mandark- binary? No, just Drinky is way too much a douche to be close to the positive side or at least not enough to be free of hypocrisy.  

Also, what I say stands on its own. I don't think it needs me digging through my ethics stuff.  


I feel bad for derailing the thread, so I'm leaving my point stated and leaving recursive to conversation rule.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 04:01:44 AM
Mandark- binary? No, just Drinky is way too much a douche to be close to the positive side or at least not enough to be free of hypocrisy.  

What does this even mean?  You know so much about Prole from his trolling of Nintendo that you know he is a bad person?  Really?  Really?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 04:02:47 AM
only bad people bash nintendo, just like only bad people burn flags and mock the bible and hide willco's dreidels
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 04:07:45 AM
Also, what I say stands on its own. I don't think it needs me digging through my ethics stuff.  

Are you really Jonah Goldberg?
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Hollywood on November 06, 2008, 04:09:26 AM
As a note to the original topic, I just read on Wikipedia they haven't counted 3 million absentee/provisional votes, and the margin right now is about 504,000, so they might catch up anyway - although it may take a big rally.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: TVC15 on November 06, 2008, 04:09:52 AM
Just replace "Nintendo trolling" with "Spider-Man trolling" and this thread becomes even more ridiculous.  If you vocally hate Spider-Man, you would be murdering gays a hundred years ago.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Mandark on November 06, 2008, 04:11:27 AM
"I apologize for the derail" is the new "har har i trolled u"
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 04:17:14 AM
The original one passed as well, so I don't see this having some miracle turn around.  It will get undone one way or the other.
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Tristam on November 06, 2008, 04:17:35 AM
jesus what the fuck
you walked into what what might be the absolute worst attempt to "get" drinky in the history of videogame forums.

 :rofl :rofl

This thread...
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: The Fake Shemp on November 06, 2008, 04:34:32 AM
Howard Lincoln died for our sins :'(
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: Van Cruncheon on November 06, 2008, 04:43:18 AM
yes, hof plz
Title: Re: Dear California
Post by: etiolate on November 06, 2008, 04:43:38 AM
Retitle it "EB too immature for Real Talk" =D =D