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General => The Superdeep Borehole => Topic started by: ManaByte on December 22, 2009, 02:27:28 PM

Title: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: ManaByte on December 22, 2009, 02:27:28 PM
Anyone still read weekly/monthly comics? Use this thread to post what you're reading or recommend something that's worth reading. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 22, 2009, 02:28:49 PM
Batman RIP kind of soured me to Batman for a while. Been reading Supes with the latest "New Krypton" storyline, and it's pretty good. Bainiac breaks open Kandor and there are now 100,000 Kryptonians on Earth...and they kill off Pa Kent again too.

Also the artists are drawing Supes to look like Christopher Reeve now, which is pretty cool:
http://i49.tinypic.com/nved6u.jpg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 22, 2009, 02:37:18 PM
I've bailed out. Brubaker aside, most of the spandex stuff blows, and Marvel and DC have done a complete turnaround from their "no crossover, limited continuity" mandates that drew back readers in the early aughts. It's all events and crossovers and it's totally ridiculous. I can't wait for one of them to go belly up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 22, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
I REALLY can't stand Marvel. Their comics are just $5 ads for the latest Marvel movie or DVD.

"Spidey is in a black suit in the new movie, what do we do?"

"Um. Change him into the black suit in the comics during the run of the film, then change it back! It'll push ticket sales!"

"But how do we explain it?"

"Shoot Aunt May again and say he's in mourning!"

Like I said, Batman RIP was just stupid. It was as dumb as killing off Captain America to make a statement.

But New Krypton and Blackest Night are both great. They're storylines (and crossovers) that really fit well in the mythos of the core books they spring from. That's what people want to see, not stupid zombie/skrull crossovers just for the fun of seeing Spidey fight Wolverine.

Maybe because with DC being linked to Warner they feel more stable and safer to do standard stuff and not rely as much on gimmicks. Marvel is just sad and it's only a matter of time before they return to holofoiljizz covers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2009, 06:45:28 PM
I really can't tell any difference between Marvel and DC; the point at which you care is the point past which you become "fanboy", I'm afraid (where you start liking/disliking books because of who publishes them). They both have practically identical strategies, as far as I can see.

I haven't much to recommend, recently. Terry Moore's Echo is good stuff, but not "buttonhole strangers on the street" level. It's about a woman who randomly becomes fused to part of a super-suit and has no idea why. The vibe is similar to Paul Chadwick's "Concrete", I guess. Quite low-key, with occasional bouts of action (which means when something happens, it actually has some impact).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 22, 2009, 07:07:00 PM
I read The Walking Dead, Chew and Invincible from Image and from Marvel/DC: Morrison's Batman and Robin, Blackest Night, Green Lantern/Corps, Detective Comics, Spiderman, all The Avengers books, The Unwritten, Greek Street, Daytripper, X-Factor and all the Deadpool series.

I also follow the Dr.Who monthly and Rucka's Stumptown.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 22, 2009, 08:08:22 PM
I read Powergirl because I love Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner's stuff, and also Empowered from Adam Warren, which is always entertaining as hell, but the books come out like once or twice a year and that's it.

Also been getting Gotham City Sirens, which Paul Dini is writing, but the book is kinda going nowhere so I may drop it.  My favorite issue wasn't even written by him, and was a Scott Lobdell fill-in that focused on a reformed Edward Nigma (The Riddler).  And instead of even trying to keep up with Blackest Night, I've been buying Marvel's X-Men rip-off version, Necrosha, which only runs through a few books, and the Psylocke mini series, which promises to to end the storyline with her going back to the early 90's when they changed the character into a maybe-Japanese ninja.  If there's any particular series of comics I may get back into, it's the X books.  The Avengers/Dark Avengers stuff is all over the place, but I did like reading the Sinister Spider-Man mini.  I used to love Spider-Man, but I've hated what they've done with the character since the clone saga stuff.  And One More Day's premise sucks.

Usually I just head to the comic store once or twice a month and go for whatever covers look interesting, but don't end up getting much.  I'd really like to get back to The Savage Dragon, which was my favorite superhero book, but after I went to Japan, I stopped reading comics and would need to get around 30 or so back issues to catch up.  It's just too much.

Would really like to read The Walking Dead.  Blackest Night I will probably see about downloading at some point.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 22, 2009, 08:09:47 PM
The only Marvel book I looked at in the last year was X-Men Forever simply because it continued the early 90s storyline as if none of the shit after that ever happened.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 22, 2009, 08:13:27 PM
Oh yeah, forgot about Marvel Zombies.  Those were fun reads, although the last mini series was kinda "eh."

The only Marvel book I looked at in the last year was X-Men Forever simply because it continued the early 90s storyline as if none of the shit after that ever happened.

I looked at that and just went  :lol :yuck.  Plus then it went off into the land of the stupid.  Didn't they kill off Wolverine in like the second issue, then make Kitty Pryde a "badass" using one of his claws or something?  Yuck.

One book I found myself surprised with was Exiles.  I bought a few of the trades and enjoyed the stories quite a bit.  It's fun when the writers can just go nuts with characters and not have to worry about continuity since everything takes place in alternate universes.  But then they ended the series, restarted it with a new cast, the book failed, and they killed it off.  I have yet to read the new series and don't know if I want to.

With the X-Men, I miss the days when they had finally come back together and there were two teams in two books.  That was more than enough.  The roster changes and new characters all pretty much suck.  I also don't like Cyclops and Emma Frost leading all the mutants and all that crap.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 22, 2009, 08:14:32 PM
http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/12/09/morrisons-inspiration-decoded/

:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 22, 2009, 08:16:19 PM
I gotta give it to Empowered once again.  Everybody needs to check it out...don't let the manga look fool you; animu it is NOT.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 22, 2009, 08:21:47 PM
http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/12/09/morrisons-inspiration-decoded/

:rofl

 :lol

I'm surprised some of you BUY comics, I just pirate everything. When I read something I really like or I would rather read it in hand then I'd buy it, like Nextwave or the numerous Batman books.

I gotta give it to Empowered once again.  Everybody needs to check it out...don't let the manga look fool you; animu it is NOT.

I don't like this at all, the art is great but besides that :x
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: drew on December 22, 2009, 08:38:00 PM
read this and be cool instantly

(http://teenagethunder.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/hate-bronca-peter-bagge-3.jpg)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Bagge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2009, 08:59:00 PM
I read The Walking Dead, Chew and Invincible from Image and from Marvel/DC: Morrison's Batman and Robin, Blackest Night, Green Lantern/Corps, Detective Comics, Spiderman, all The Avengers books, The Unwritten, Greek Street, Daytripper, X-Factor and all the Deadpool series.

I also follow the Dr.Who monthly and Rucka's Stumptown.

Chew has been really good, although I have no idea where they are going with it. I'm letting the Unwritten build up for a while before diving in; I REALLY enjoyed reading their Lucifer in one shot once it was all done.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 22, 2009, 09:02:15 PM
http://blog.newsarama.com/2009/12/09/morrisons-inspiration-decoded/

:rofl

 :lol

I'm surprised some of you BUY comics, I just pirate everything. When I read something I really like or I would rather read it in hand then I'd buy it, like Nextwave or the numerous Batman books.

I gotta give it to Empowered once again.  Everybody needs to check it out...don't let the manga look fool you; animu it is NOT.

I don't like this at all, the art is great but besides that :x

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

PM me some good spots to get stuff from.  The main one I use doesn't have anything Marvel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2009, 09:17:02 PM
Empowered from Adam Warren, which is always entertaining as hell, but the books come out like once or twice a year and that's it.

:rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 23, 2009, 12:27:13 AM
So Im reading that Punisher got beheaded, resurrected as some Frankenstein like creature and now has superpowers?

WHAT?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: muckhole on December 23, 2009, 12:29:07 AM
Isn't that the second (possibly third) time they've offed him? Didn't he come back as an angel or something at some point?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 12:29:48 AM
I just got into comics and i'm starting to get out of them again. I currently read walking dead and that's about it. Trying to finish Y: The Last Man but it's boring, and almost finished with Box Office Poison, then I can move onto Marvel 1602, but I fucking hate hardcovers.

What's the Joss Whedom Xmen comics? Good?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 23, 2009, 12:32:05 AM
I just got into comics and i'm starting to get out of them again. I currently read walking dead and that's about it. Trying to finish Y: The Last Man but it's boring, and almost finished with Box Office Poison, then I can move onto Marvel 1602, but I fucking hate hardcovers.

What's the Joss Whedom Xmen comics? Good?


Astonishing Xmen, it was ok IMO
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 12:35:44 AM
Just ok, eh? I might skip it then. My attention span is sparse for comics.

Oh, I also started reading fables and thought it was shit. Scott Pilgrim kinda sucks too. I guess I just like RL comics more than others, but i'm looking forward to Marvel 1602, and I hate hardcovers but damn does it look nice.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 23, 2009, 12:47:47 AM
Read 100 bullets and Criminal Methodis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 12:54:09 AM
I've been meaning to check out Criminal so bad, I forgot about 100 Bullets, thanks for the recc's.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:57:37 AM
I recommended Criminal to everyone a year ago. It's like Sin City, except it doesn't suck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 23, 2009, 02:20:04 AM
So Im reading that Punisher got beheaded, resurrected as some Frankenstein like creature and now has superpowers?

WHAT?

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/photosizer/upload/FrankenCastle.jpg

:rofl

Isn't that the second (possibly third) time they've offed him? Didn't he come back as an angel or something at some point?

Yeah.  I never read those books, but IIRC he had guns that shot unlimited "holy bullets" or something.  The Punisher is one of those characters that should either never interact with 99% of the rest of the Marvel universe, or be put into a universe of his own. 

Remember THE PUNISHER VS. ARCHIE?   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 23, 2009, 03:02:59 AM
I want to see Punisher vs Batman just to see who is more fucked in the head.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 23, 2009, 03:42:16 AM
So Im reading that Punisher got beheaded, resurrected as some Frankenstein like creature and now has superpowers?

WHAT?

http://www.bloody-disgusting.com/photosizer/upload/FrankenCastle.jpg

:rofl

Isn't that the second (possibly third) time they've offed him? Didn't he come back as an angel or something at some point?

Yeah.  I never read those books, but IIRC he had guns that shot unlimited "holy bullets" or something.  The Punisher is one of those characters that should either never interact with 99% of the rest of the Marvel universe, or be put into a universe of his own. 

Remember THE PUNISHER VS. ARCHIE?   :lol


@ the pic: oh good lord.


Well there was the "Punisher kills the Marvel Universe" comic and he is in his own Universe where there are no superheroes (MAX imprint)


I want to see Punisher vs Batman just to see who is more fucked in the head.

Would be interesting but Punisher would an advantage since he's willing to kill IMO
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on December 23, 2009, 04:36:07 AM
preptime
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 23, 2009, 09:44:48 AM
Frankencastle has some very kick ass art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on December 23, 2009, 09:52:03 AM
So Im reading that Punisher got beheaded, resurrected as some Frankenstein like creature and now has superpowers?

WHAT?

Wasn't he beheaded by wolverine's emo son too?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 23, 2009, 11:02:33 AM
So Im reading that Punisher got beheaded, resurrected as some Frankenstein like creature and now has superpowers?

WHAT?

Wasn't he beheaded by wolverine's emo son too?  :lol

Yea and dismembered
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 23, 2009, 12:20:17 PM
Which is why Marvel sucks and is beyond saving.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 23, 2009, 12:55:00 PM
Marvel >>>>>>>>>>> dc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 12:57:58 PM
You're both wrong - both Marvel and DC suck. As Cormacaroni so eloquently put it:

I really can't tell any difference between Marvel and DC; the point at which you care is the point past which you become "fanboy", I'm afraid (where you start liking/disliking books because of who publishes them). They both have practically identical strategies, as far as I can see.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 23, 2009, 12:58:06 PM
The last Crisis set DCU back to a sort of Pre-Crisis setting (especially Supes) so it's all good right now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on December 23, 2009, 01:00:36 PM
All I read was, "The last stupid mega-crossover event series changed convoluted continuity back to a pre-existing set of convoluted continuity, that will no doubt lead to another event series that crosses over into all monthly published titles - perhaps even with multiple, collector's edition covers!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mandark on December 23, 2009, 01:17:43 PM
Seriously.

I've never really kept up with comics as they're being released, but I got the impression over the last few years that the two big labels have been going nuts with the big, world-threatening crossovers.  Every time I went to the local comic shop there'd be promotional stuff for Secret Invasion, Civil War, World War Hulk, Crisis and all the affiliated stuff.

I can see the appeal of doing these now and again, but if your universe is always in turmoil then it's not really an event, is it?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 23, 2009, 01:50:01 PM
Marvel does a big crossover every summer when kids are out of school to milk as much cash as possible.

With the exception of the last Crisis and Blackest Night right now, most of the DC crossovers mostly stay within the "family" books. Like the Batman one only touches Batman books, the Supes one Supes books, etc. Even Blackest Night is mostly confined to the Green Lantern books, but others are involved but not required reading to get the most out of it.

With the Marvel shit you need a long checklist and to buy/read/download like 10 different comics every week to know what the hell is going on. And with Marvel publishing stuff like Amazing Spidey THREE TIMES A MONTH it gets way out of hand.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 23, 2009, 01:55:12 PM
Manabyte, Marvel is ALWAYS doing a "big crossover" at this point.

Seriously.

I've never really kept up with comics as they're being released, but I got the impression over the last few years that the two big labels have been going nuts with the big, world-threatening crossovers.  Every time I went to the local comic shop there'd be promotional stuff for Secret Invasion, Civil War, World War Hulk, Crisis and all the affiliated stuff.

I can see the appeal of doing these now and again, but if your universe is always in turmoil then it's not really an event, is it?

Yes, this is definitely the biggest problem both companies have.  It also feels like the same five writers are going back and forth between the two companies doing everything.  I guess these big event series must be profitable for them.  On the Marvel side, Dark Reign is coming to an end, but they're ready for the follow-up with Siege!  

At least the Marvel events are relatively easy to follow.  DC is dipping back in the well and pulling out obscure characters and referencing events that nobody remembers for their crossover events, which is ironic given that the purpose of Crisis On Infinite Earths was to clean all that shit up.

That's why I tend to go with the books that have little or nothing to do with these crossovers, or wait for a TPB that collects it all.  The only event I am buying every issue of is Necrosha X, but that's because it's only running in a few of the X books.  It's easy to follow, although it does bring back deceased characters from the 80s and 90s.  You could even cut out some of the books (it's mostly taking place in X-Force and The New Mutants) and still be able to follow the story.

I just find the creative teams I like and follow their stuff.  Like I said, I like Powergirl.  The character without Palmiotti and Conner behind her is just some big-tittied boring bimbo, though.  Whenever they leave the book, I'm done with it.  I don't buy it out of some fanboy loyalty to the character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 23, 2009, 02:07:42 PM
Who keeps hiring this idiot?
(http://i.livescience.com/images/Bloodstrike-IU_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 03:18:42 PM
Whats the best comic ereader?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: twerd on December 23, 2009, 03:36:25 PM
fourplay?  :lol :yuck :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 23, 2009, 04:47:47 PM
Whats the best comic ereader?

I like Comic Zine.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 23, 2009, 04:57:14 PM
Will check it out, i've been using Comical so far and it's decent, just wondered if there was a better alternative. I'll be sure to check out Comic Zine though :D. Thanks mana.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 23, 2009, 11:55:30 PM
Blackest Night 6 leaked! :rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 24, 2009, 12:10:46 AM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/12/17/the-15-worst-comics-of-the-decade/

Amazing read. Comics are so terrible. He said, loving comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 24, 2009, 12:29:26 AM
Man, countdown was such an horrible piece of shit and I think it didn't even ended up being cannon to FC, I don't know wtf dc was thinking.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2009, 06:45:05 PM
Whats the best comic ereader?
The Mac comic reader landscape is pretty barren. Windows is well-served by this app, which is luscious in its simplicity and competence. I would LOVE if this was available for Mac:
http://cdisplay.techknight.com/setup.zip
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 27, 2009, 06:50:23 PM
Not sure if this has been posted on EB before, but I didn't see it in this thread:
http://progressiveboink.com/archive/robliefeld.html

So. Good. (Because he's so bad.) Liefield is like the Michael Bay of comics, except I can watch Michael Bay for what it is and Rob Liefield-drawn comics make me throw up in my mouth a little. OK, a lot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 27, 2009, 06:51:28 PM
thanks for the program chronovore
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 27, 2009, 07:04:39 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/12/17/the-15-worst-comics-of-the-decade/

Amazing read. Comics are so terrible. He said, loving comics.

omg bill jemas

i totally forgot that dude existed

fucking comics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2009, 07:07:09 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/12/17/the-15-worst-comics-of-the-decade/

Amazing read. Comics are so terrible. He said, loving comics.

"Samantha Brown! You have to get out of here! Your vagina is haunted!"

Never gets old :rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on December 27, 2009, 07:15:41 PM
WTF

(http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/1360/cable3zz2.jpg)


How does he get paid to draw that?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2009, 02:17:37 AM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/12/17/the-15-worst-comics-of-the-decade/

Amazing read. Comics are so terrible. He said, loving comics.

About the X-Men, in particular:
Quote
Plots seem random and slapped-up. Weird justifications are given artlessly: Juggernaut's just a big, angry kid in a suit, there was a real Xorn who was not Magneto and oh yeah there's a brother, because fans really liked Xorn and were really shocked and heart-broken and Morrison's twist and why not just biopsy the impact completely? Then there's the legendary "Draco" storyline, which goes something like this: The Devil has been on Earth, impregnating women for years, so that he can go to Earth. And he's Nightcrawler's father! And he's The Devil!

FFFFFFUUUUUUU!  The Morrison run was godlike. I've read it 4 or 5 times. It's one of the comics that I don't give away, because I know I'll keep coming back to it. Put a comics-industry permaban on whomever made the call to retcon Xorn.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 29, 2009, 02:36:30 AM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/12/17/the-15-worst-comics-of-the-decade/

Amazing read. Comics are so terrible. He said, loving comics.

About the X-Men, in particular:
Quote
Plots seem random and slapped-up. Weird justifications are given artlessly: Juggernaut's just a big, angry kid in a suit, there was a real Xorn who was not Magneto and oh yeah there's a brother, because fans really liked Xorn and were really shocked and heart-broken and Morrison's twist and why not just biopsy the impact completely? Then there's the legendary "Draco" storyline, which goes something like this: The Devil has been on Earth, impregnating women for years, so that he can go to Earth. And he's Nightcrawler's father! And he's The Devil!

FFFFFFUUUUUUU!  The Morrison run was godlike. I've read it 4 or 5 times. It's one of the comics that I don't give away, because I know I'll keep coming back to it. Put a comics-industry permaban on whomever made the call to retcon Xorn.

was that the run which had that mass genocide at the mutant island (Genosha) that was instigated by Professor X's evil twin sister whom he devoured while in the womb?

if so that one was crazy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 29, 2009, 02:41:14 AM
:bow Cassandra Nova :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 29, 2009, 03:04:52 AM
Morrison wants to be Alan Moore so bad his stories are becoming jokes. DC is going to need to do REALLY FINAL CRISIS once he's done fucking with Batman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 29, 2009, 03:14:44 AM
I cant believe what they did with Superboy Prime

WTF?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ferrarimanf355 on December 29, 2009, 03:27:20 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Cat-Bat-Fabian-Nicieza/dp/1401224962/asylum.com-20 (http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Cat-Bat-Fabian-Nicieza/dp/1401224962/asylum.com-20)

They had me at Batgirl chasing Catwoman through a nudist club. :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 29, 2009, 08:55:39 PM
Put me in with the "Morrison (and especially Morrison/Quietly) =  :yuck :yuck :yuck" crowd.  I did like it when they did the Authority though, go figure.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 29, 2009, 09:29:54 PM
::)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 29, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
Put me in with the "Morrison (and especially Morrison/Quietly) =  :yuck :yuck :yuck" crowd.  I did like it when they did the Authority though, go figure.
It's like I don't even know you. You are dead to me.
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Morrison wants to be Alan Moore so bad his stories are becoming jokes. DC is going to need to do REALLY FINAL CRISIS once he's done fucking with Batman.
I'm pretty sure that, despite both of them claiming to be magicians, Alan Moore is eccentric but verifiably sane and Morrison is probably actually insane but socially productive. Any writer who doesn't respect and admire Alan Moore is speaking from a place of jealous self-delusion; even Warren Fucking Ellis is pretty candid with the regard in which he holds AM.

Sadly, I must admit to speaking out of ignorance. I've heard the Batman stuff he's been doing is a bit esoteric and, unlike his I-don't-really-give-a-shit-about-canon run on NEW X-MEN, I've heard that he's bringing the craziest stuff out for Bats. I also wasn't entirely fond of Morrison's pretentious Arkham Asylum when it first came out, so...
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Post by: ManaByte on December 30, 2009, 01:54:01 AM
The only artist worse than Quietly is Liefeld. It's like Quietly makes too much an effort to make his Superheroes look extremely gay.
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Post by: bork on December 30, 2009, 02:31:17 AM
I'm thinking specifically about the "New X-Men."  I hated it so much.  The story, the art, the roster, the costumes...yuck.  Haven't been much of an X-Men fan since then; wasn't thrilled with Astonishing X-Men, the new teams (with Wolverine appearing on every fucking one of them), the Academy-X stuff, and everything after, although I kind of remember liking House Of M.  But I only read the first five or so issues (whatever was collected in the first TPB) of New X-Men and stopped after that, so if it got better, I will see about going back and reading everything I missed.

Only just in the last few months have I decided to try some of the books again.  The funny thing is that I have fond memories of a lot of the stories Chris Clarement did, but then X-Men Forever came out and sucked a sweaty ball sack.
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Post by: bork on December 30, 2009, 02:37:13 AM
The only artist worse than Quietly is Liefeld. It's like Quietly makes too much an effort to make his Superheroes look extremely gay.

Can't agree with that.  There's a difference between the two:  Quietly can actually draw; I think his artwork is ugly, but he's certainly got talent.  Liefeld cannot draw for shit, yet somehow managed to make himself a career in comics, and even got himself a Levi's commercial. 
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Post by: Ichirou on December 30, 2009, 02:37:47 AM
I miss the '80s.  Jerry Ordway, Jim Aparo, Norm Breyfogle...those were great comic book artists.
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Post by: bork on December 30, 2009, 02:50:23 AM
I got a lot of old TPBs at my folks' place.  Recently I re-read X-Tinction Agenda from the early 90s.  It was like X-Men (Jim Lee)  :o :D :D :D, X-Factor (???)  :( :-X :-\, and finally The New Mutants (Our good buddy Rob)  ??? :maf :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck as far as the art goes.

It also seems like just about all the superhero books sucked for a while from the mid-90s until the 2000s, but I still don't know what the fuck I was thinking at the time, dropping Marvel for Image.  I keep going through old comic boxes and looking through stuff, and so many of those Image mags are beyond awful, Erik Larson stuff aside.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 30, 2009, 07:49:13 AM
Quitely's art is ugly? My god, just stop reading comics. He may draw ugly people, but ugly art? Are you fucking kidding me? I could stare at any Frank Quitely book all day.
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Post by: chronovore on December 30, 2009, 08:31:15 AM
I remember when Image Comics launched, and it was all about "LOOK! These creators are famous for handling your favorite heroes at Marvel and DC! Now watch what happens when they're OFF THE LEASH!"

...and it was all crap. It all seemed like second-run imitations of Marvel and DC crap, nothing new under the sun, and McFarlane couldn't write, and his Spawn series was just tremendously clichéd and jumbled and horrible. It was funny, they drag in Gaiman to actually write something decent and he creates Angela, and with all the talk about creator-ownership and people getting their due, Gaiman sued McFarlane for not abiding by the terms of his creation of the character.

It was the same story when Dreamworks was founded; I got all excited to see what directors would do when they were not answerable to some massive, oppressive established movie studio -- and they produced Peacekeeper, a competent but generally lifeless, completely standard action movie.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on December 30, 2009, 09:43:23 AM
All-Star Superman is a terrific miniseries, you don't really have to know jack shit about Superman to enjoy it

Joe Kelly wrote a Superman story in Action Comics #775 called What's so funny about Truth, Justice & the American Way? which is probably the best single issue Superman comic in the past ten years.

I mostly hate new (mainstream) comics.  They're too expensive, too inbred, too charmless and cynical.  I mainly stick with reprints of stuff pre-1980 or independents nowadays, if I read at all.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 30, 2009, 12:26:18 PM
I find it hard to take seriously any adult who takes Blackest Night seriously; I mean, it has the same plot and structure as The Care Bears Movie, for fuck's sake.

This is Geoff Johns:  :supergay
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Post by: Eric P on December 30, 2009, 05:57:16 PM
you've watched the care bear movie enough to draw the parallels?

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Post by: Cormacaroni on December 30, 2009, 08:06:05 PM
All-Star Superman is a terrific miniseries, you don't really have to know jack shit about Superman to enjoy it

Joe Kelly wrote a Superman story in Action Comics #775 called What's so funny about Truth, Justice & the American Way? which is probably the best single issue Superman comic in the past ten years.

I mostly hate new (mainstream) comics.  They're too expensive, too inbred, too charmless and cynical.  I mainly stick with reprints of stuff pre-1980 or independents nowadays, if I read at all.

That issue IS pretty awesome. :bow Manchester Black :bow2
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 30, 2009, 08:55:28 PM
you've watched the care bear movie enough to draw the parallels?

Only the once! I mean, it doesn't have the rewatchability of the Strawberry Shortcake movie.

Anyway, both Blackest Night and the Care Bears movie are about several different protagonists, each with a representative color and emotion, working together to make a big happy rainbow that stops the bad guys. I guess Blackest Night has more tits (http://www.comicartcommunity.com/gallery/details.php?image_id=33676), as well as a villain named Larfleeze (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larfleeze), a portmanteau of "lard" and "sleaze."

You know, Blackest Night also has the same plot as most Lucky Charms commercials.
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Post by: chronovore on December 30, 2009, 09:15:12 PM
You know, Blackest Night also has the same plot as most Lucky Charms commercials.

Now those have rewatchability. Mmmm. Cereal.
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Post by: Diunx on December 30, 2009, 10:41:50 PM
The only artist worse than Quietly is Liefeld. It's like Quietly makes too much an effort to make his Superheroes look extremely gay.

You suck at everything.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 30, 2009, 11:13:55 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/05/11/lanterns-vs-care-bears-emotion-deathmatch/
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Post by: bork on January 01, 2010, 05:09:06 PM
Quitely's art is ugly? My god, just stop reading comics. He may draw ugly people, but ugly art? Are you fucking kidding me? I could stare at any Frank Quitely book all day.

Considering that superhero comics focus on the people, uh...yeah.   :lol  Kind of reminds me of the guy who draws Initial D, where the cars are insanely detailed, but the people are ugly as sin.  Anyway, like I said, Quietly has talent.  I hate his artwork, but he's no Rob Liefeld.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2010, 08:13:23 PM
Quitely's art is ugly? My god, just stop reading comics. He may draw ugly people, but ugly art? Are you fucking kidding me? I could stare at any Frank Quitely book all day.

Considering that superhero comics focus on the people, uh...yeah.   :lol  Kind of reminds me of the guy who draws Initial D, where the cars are insanely detailed, but the people are ugly as sin.  Anyway, like I said, Quietly has talent.  I hate his artwork, but he's no Rob Liefeld.

I weep for the blighted wasteland that is your soul. :'(
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 01, 2010, 08:37:46 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/33kwyt0.jpg)
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Post by: Van Cruncheon on January 01, 2010, 08:46:11 PM
(http://i48.tinypic.com/33kwyt0.jpg)

:lol omg annihilation :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 01, 2010, 09:33:11 PM
:rofl
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Post by: bork on January 01, 2010, 10:08:09 PM
It would have been perfect, but Jeff Loeb? 
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 01, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
It was him or Geoff Johns! Johns sometimes accidentally writes something readable, though.
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Post by: bork on January 01, 2010, 10:11:56 PM
It was him or Geoff Johns! Johns sometimes accidentally writes something readable, though.

I don't read anything from those two, although I did get Batman Hush a few years back...for Jim Lee. 

Am I right that Loeb is doing the Hulk stuff?  And Johns is of course doing DC Care Bears.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 01, 2010, 10:18:46 PM
yeah, that's right. Loeb has the most depressing quote in all comics.

Quote
In an interview with Loeb, Z. Julian Cenac of ComixFan.com noted that some readers were upset that the Red Hulk was able to thrash other powerful Marvel characters, and were concerned that such a high power-level wouldn't be sustainable. Loeb replied, "I tell the best stories I can."[24]

:linkinpark
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Post by: bork on January 01, 2010, 10:38:05 PM
And now there's Red She-Hulk!  What creativity!
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Post by: ManaByte on January 02, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
The only reason Loeb gets work is out of pity because his kid died.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2010, 07:52:21 PM
I liked the work Jeph Loeb did on Long Halloween, Catwoman: When in Rome, and Superman for All Season. Does that makes me a bad person?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 02, 2010, 08:15:24 PM
I think I've read all of those and all I can remember is some tasty art from Tim Sale and Darwyn Cooke. I don't think i've ever read a Loeb comic for the writing, in fact. I don't despise him or anything, he just leaves no impression for the  most part. The Ultimates stuff was beyond distinguished mentally-challenged but everybody gets one strike.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 02, 2010, 08:18:38 PM
Ultimates: strike one
Heroes: strike two
Red Hulk: strike three

I can't belive he was allowed anywhere near Lost.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 02, 2010, 08:33:16 PM
God, he sure did turn Heroes from must-see TV into the laughing stock of the nation in 1 season flat
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Post by: ManaByte on January 03, 2010, 01:14:54 AM
Not hating X-Men Forever. An X-Men book without Wolverine in every panel is a good thing.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 03, 2010, 10:26:20 AM
I haven't read a mainstream superhero book in years.  I heard Blue Beetle got killed off, which pisses me off.  He was one of my all-time favorite comic book characters.

I think the last superhero comic book I read regularly was Kurt Busiek's Astro City.  Then he got mercury poisoning and stopped doing it. :(

I did pick up the Identity Crisis and Emerald Rebirth mini-series just to see what was going on and thought both were awful (but had nice artwork).
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 03, 2010, 10:39:32 AM
I haven't read a mainstream superhero book in years.  I heard Blue Beetle got killed off, which pisses me off.  He was one of my all-time favorite comic book characters.

they killed him off in a really shitty way, too
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Post by: Diunx on January 03, 2010, 10:41:35 AM
Pick up All Star Superman if you haven't read it, probably the best superhero book of the decade.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 03, 2010, 11:01:06 AM
I haven't read a mainstream superhero book in years.  I heard Blue Beetle got killed off, which pisses me off.  He was one of my all-time favorite comic book characters.

they killed him off in a really shitty way, too

I have the entire '80s Justice League run packed in a box somewhere in my closet back home.  My all-time favorite superhero book. :(

I'm sure they'll bring the character back eventually...they do it with every single comic book character these days.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 03, 2010, 11:01:37 AM
Pick up All Star Superman if you haven't read it, probably the best superhero book of the decade.

Is it out in paperback? I don't buy single issues anymore.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 03, 2010, 01:04:07 PM
Pick up All Star Superman if you haven't read it, probably the best superhero book of the decade.

Is it out in paperback? I don't buy single issues anymore.

It's out in hardback release.
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Post by: Eric P on January 03, 2010, 02:05:16 PM
i hope they do an absolute edition of that series

so awesome
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Post by: bork on January 03, 2010, 09:10:35 PM
Not hating X-Men Forever. An X-Men book without Wolverine in every panel is a good thing.

No, instead you have Exiles-Sabretooth and WOLVER-KITTY taking his place.  I think I am gonna download all the issues so far, because the one issue I did read was a total trainwreck, and I'd like to know how it got to that point.  Also, if it takes place right after X-Men #1-3, where are the rest of the X-Men?  There's a bunch of them missing.

Speaking of Exiles, I just finished reading through the entire first 100 issue series.  Pretty fun read for the most part; most of the filler issues kind of sucked (I love how they take two issues to show what happens to four of the characters when they are all split up, but Mimic, who gets lost in an alternate reality for FOUR YEARS, gets nothing), and the Weapon-X stuff was awesome and way under-utilized...it was fun seeing the deranged/psychotic characters running around screwing with alternate realities.  Way, way too many Wolverines, but at least none of them were ever on the team roster.  (Of course Mimic had to have Wolvie claws and healing factor...can't have an "X" book without some kind of Wolverine!) 

Now it's time for New Exiles, which looks to be nothing like the original series and just more Claremont nuttiness.  I already know that it ends with zero explanation of how Psylocke got back to the main universe.  Brilliant! 
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Post by: bork on January 03, 2010, 09:11:33 PM
I haven't read a mainstream superhero book in years.  I heard Blue Beetle got killed off, which pisses me off.  He was one of my all-time favorite comic book characters.

they killed him off in a really shitty way, too

And then they got some kid to replace him, right?  But the original is back as EVIL ZOMBIE MAN in DC Care Bears!
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Post by: Ichirou on January 03, 2010, 09:24:43 PM
I just read the Wiki.  That makes no sense at all.  The Ted Kord Wiki says his body was incinerated, so how could he come back as a Black Lantern or whatever?  I can understand making a mistake in continuity for an older story, but wasn't Ted Kord killed off just a couple of years ago?  How can the writers have forgotten that the body was reduced to cinders?
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Post by: Eric P on January 03, 2010, 09:25:03 PM
i really like Jamie Reyes, the new blue beetle
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Post by: Ichirou on January 03, 2010, 09:31:37 PM
Never heard of that character.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 09:47:22 PM
I just read the Wiki.  That makes no sense at all.  The Ted Kord Wiki says his body was incinerated, so how could he come back as a Black Lantern or whatever?  I can understand making a mistake in continuity for an older story, but wasn't Ted Kord killed off just a couple of years ago?  How can the writers have forgotten that the body was reduced to cinders?

In Final Crisis, we see Batman's charred skeleton, and then him alive in a stone age cave a few pages later. Would love to know how both happened but I suspect only No-Prizes will be handed out for those who take issue with it, as usual. I'm waaaaaaay past caring about stuff like this. Note it in passing and accept it.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 03, 2010, 10:19:27 PM
Jaime Reyes (the new young, Hispanic Blue Beetle) is really, really awesome. No offense meant to Ted Kord, who totally went out an undeserved punk.

I believe Ted Kord is back in the pages of Booster Gold, but since he's travelling with Booster throughout the multiverse, no one in main DC continuity knows he's "alive."

How have I lived my life in such a way to know these things.

EDIT: Apparently that only lasted for a few issues before Ted Kord redied again and is now a Black Lantern. COMICS!
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Post by: Eric P on January 03, 2010, 10:22:30 PM
whoops

it's jaime reyes

totally awesome character

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Post by: bork on January 03, 2010, 10:33:37 PM
Remember when characters dying in comics was a big deal?  Now it's like Dragonball Z.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 11:06:29 PM
Well, they can't ever die permanently now that the prospect of even the most questionable characters being turned into a multi-billion dollar movie franchise exists. It shouldn't really matter all that much, since most kids only read comics for 4-5 yrs - keep a character dead for that length of time and it has SOME meaning. The creators don't have a lot of choice in this.

One more reason to step outside of Marvel/DC.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 03, 2010, 11:06:50 PM
I blame Waid and Johns, who want to play with the exact same toys they had in the 1970s
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Post by: chronovore on January 03, 2010, 11:17:41 PM
Well, they can't ever die permanently now that the prospect of even the most questionable characters being turned into a multi-billion dollar movie franchise exists. It shouldn't really matter all that much, since most kids only read comics for 4-5 yrs - keep a character dead for that length of time and it has SOME meaning. The creators don't have a lot of choice in this.

One more reason to step outside of Marvel/DC.

Yeah, I don't mind death/resurrection if it's handled well, and there's the whole "too soon" thing -- most of these guys are dead for a couple months, and then they're back. Doesn't that mean a religion should be founded on them?
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Post by: Ichirou on January 03, 2010, 11:20:58 PM
They killed off Superboy during Infinite Crisis and brought him back less than a year later. :lol

They brought back Barry Allen, what the fuck...

Reading these wikis is fuck depressing.

Oh, they brought back Ice! Sweet, another of my favorite Justice League characters.  Just sucks that they brought her back only to kill off Ted Kord. :(
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 03, 2010, 11:25:21 PM
They killed off Superboy during Infinite Crisis and brought him back less than a year later. :lol

They brought back Barry Allen, what the fuck...

Reading these wikis is fuck depressing.

Oh, they brought back Ice! Sweet, another of my favorite Justice League characters.  Just sucks that they brought her back only to kill off Ted Kord. :(

Just checking, 'cause you seem to be a bit out of the loop: have you read the JLA Classified stuff by the classic Giffen-DeMatteis-McGuire team? It was pretty awesome and featured Ice heavily.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 03, 2010, 11:41:28 PM
I'm majorly out of the loop.  Are you talking about the Super Buddies thing?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2010, 01:25:50 AM
here's what wikipedia has to say:

[edit] Formerly Known as the Justice League
Main article: Super Buddies
In 2003, Giffen, DeMatteis, and Maguire returned with a separate limited series called Formerly Known as the Justice League with the same humor as their Justice League run, and featuring some of the same characters in a team called the "Super Buddies" (a parody of the Super Friends). A follow-up limited series, entitled I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League, soon was prepared, although it was delayed due to the events shown in the Identity Crisis limited series, but was eventually released as the second arc in JLA: Classified. The Super Buddies consisted of Blue Beetle; Booster Gold; Captain Atom, Fire; Mary Marvel; the Elongated Man with his wife, Sue Dibny; Maxwell Lord; and L-Ron. The second story arc of JLA: Classified focuses on the Super Buddies in a humorous story that features Power Girl, Guy Gardner, and Doctor Fate.

I can mail you the scans if you want, just pm me.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 04, 2010, 01:41:09 AM
I have the first Super Buddies trade paperback.  I think a second series came out at some point but I don't know if it was collected into trade?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2010, 01:52:35 AM
The 2nd series is the JLA Classified arc, "I Can't Believe It's Not the Justice League'' but no idea if it was collected.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 04, 2010, 01:53:37 AM
They also did a reasonably fun Defenders mini-series for Marvel. Why Kevin McGuire isn't working on a major book at all times, I have no idea. Still does the best facial expressions in comics.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 04, 2010, 12:27:15 PM
I don't read Marvel very much, but Planet Hulk was all kinds of awesome.
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Post by: Eric P on January 06, 2010, 05:25:53 PM
http://www.usps.com/communications/newsroom/2009/pr09_118.htm#sunday

some fucking bullshit right here
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 07, 2010, 08:59:54 PM
Have any of you guys read Wanted, the comic that the movie was very loosely based on? I've heard that the comic is completely different from the movie, and also that the comic is really good. I was thinking about trying to get a copy of it based on what I've heard.

I did, hated it. The movie was much better (and still not very good). Millar is something worse than a hack: a hack who thinks "cunt" makes for edgy dialogue
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 07, 2010, 10:24:42 PM
millar basically insults you for spending money on it at the end

They also did a reasonably fun Defenders mini-series for Marvel. Why Kevin McGuire isn't working on a major book at all times, I have no idea. Still does the best facial expressions in comics.

he's really slow, i remember reading something back in the day about he and art adams always being the two slowest artists in comics at the time
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2010, 12:48:39 AM
...unlike all the top artists in comics today!

i dunno, Justice League always seemed to come out on time. I used to buy it in issues monthly, I should know.
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Post by: bork on January 08, 2010, 08:50:30 AM
 :-X

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1262884805.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on January 08, 2010, 09:54:51 AM
ugh
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Post by: bork on January 08, 2010, 11:03:46 AM
Somebody on GAF said it's supposed to be Mimic, which makes me feel better (I was under the impression he was going to be Wolverine's bastard child).

Still, ugh indeed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 08, 2010, 04:51:30 PM
...unlike all the top artists in comics today!

i dunno, Justice League always seemed to come out on time. I used to buy it in issues monthly, I should know.

so did i, i just read it somewhere

perhaps he had a lot more assistance from inker al gordon back then?

i do know that the last two issues of the adventures of captain america miniseries he did back in 91 were very late, and the last issue had to be finished by another artist
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Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2010, 09:29:53 AM
I was the hugest Art Adams fan during his first X-Men run, but it's easy to see why he'd be slow. So. Much. Detail.

I also liked Paul Smith. Whatever happened to that guy?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 09, 2010, 01:31:59 PM
last thing i remember him doing is leave it to chance with james robinson, that was a good series
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Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2010, 11:08:37 PM
last thing i remember him doing is leave it to chance with james robinson, that was a good series
Kewl, thanks! The first book of that is only ¥1600 on amazon, so I'ma bag it.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 20, 2010, 12:18:36 AM
Really enjoying Green Lantern right now.
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Post by: The Fake Shemp on January 20, 2010, 12:22:46 AM
Disposable White Guy bought me the first two volumes of Scalped. Pretty good stuff.
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Post by: bork on January 20, 2010, 06:20:31 AM
Really enjoying Green Lantern right now.

Is it worth bothering with the Blackest Night tie-in books, or better to stay with the main series plus Green Lantern and The Green Lantern Corps?

Power Girl #8 comes out tomorrow.  :hyper
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Post by: Diunx on January 20, 2010, 11:46:55 PM
They are worth a read unless you are paying for them, they aren't essential to the main story its just showing how the non GL characters are dealing with the dead rising, Wonder Woman and Titans have been the best so far.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 03:08:27 AM
Stick with the GL books.

Geoff Johns has made GL the best Superhero book by far. Read his run from the beginning and it's amazingly consistant. Unbelievably better than the Batman mess. The only mediocre parts come during Crisis, but that's not his fault.

Blackest Night is great and after that we get Brightest Day.

And the stuff coming out about the GL movie is making it sound like we're going to get a pants wettingly awesome series. 
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Post by: bork on January 22, 2010, 03:10:32 AM

Blackest Night is great and after that we get Brightest Day.


Seriously?  BRIGHTEST DAY?  DC Care Bears continues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 03:13:38 AM
It makes sense in the GL books.
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Post by: bork on January 22, 2010, 03:15:27 AM
What, isn't that a line from the old GL ring-recharge mantra?  Cheesy.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 22, 2010, 03:17:04 AM
what's Brightest Day about?
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 03:19:29 AM
They haven't said. DC just announced it and it'll start up right after Blackest Night and go through the spring/early summer. Newsarama has the announcement image.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 22, 2010, 03:20:28 AM
what's the post-Blackest Night stuff that you think is going to be "pants wettingly awesome"?
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 03:26:38 AM
what's the post-Blackest Night stuff that you think is going to be "pants wettingly awesome"?

I was referring to the GL movie. They're setting up at least two sequels right off the bat and they're trying to cram everything fans want to see in a Hal Jordan GL movie in it. Instead of saving Sinestro for a sequel he'll be in the first one in a small way.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 03:28:04 AM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/prev-brtst-day_02.jpg)

26 issue bi-weekly.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2010, 03:31:23 AM
The Golden Compass was supposed to have 2 sequels as well but...
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 03:39:18 AM
They altered Golden Compass so much from the books people hated it.

GL is extremely faithful to the comics. Jordan gets the ring from Abin Sur, Sinestro is his mentor, and they even have Kilowag in it. Hammond is the main villain but they're having Sinestro in it as Jordans mentor to set up at least the first sequel.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 03:48:53 AM
Due to the problems surrounding Supes DC is facing they cut the Clark Kent cameo out of the GL movie, but Guy Gardner is apparently still in it as are the space battles against Legion.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 22, 2010, 04:00:05 AM
nice prismatic logo for the White Lanterns, Care Bear Stare is GO
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 04:26:33 AM
Took a look at an issue of Image United the other day. Basically the Image founders (except Jim Lee) each draw their characters in a massive fanservice piece of crap. The problem is Liefeld is involved and his parts look like some dumb teenager snuck their trapper keeper sketches into the book.
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Post by: Raban on January 22, 2010, 04:46:56 AM
I only read Hellboy, really.

I also read most of The Death of Captain America's arc. Brubaker is amazing.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 04:50:16 AM
Brubaker is the best Marvel has. It's too bad he's forced to do Quesada's bidding.
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Post by: Raban on January 22, 2010, 04:53:15 AM
Brubaker is the best Marvel has. It's too bad he's forced to do Quesada's bidding.

I hear the Cap movie is going to be set mainly during WW2. If so, rad.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 04:56:12 AM
Yea and then the comics will be set during WWII while the movie is in theaters. 

Quesada should've been forced out after the Spidey bullshit he forced on JMS. Fuck him.
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Post by: Raban on January 22, 2010, 05:04:30 AM
I wanna read some Batman and Superman but I only really dug the WB cartoons penned by Dini and Timm. Which comics are really worth diving into?

I know as far as Batman, No Man's Land is a must. I've already done Long Halloween, DKR (awesome) and DK2 (which sucked). I've also read Killing Joke. Not really interested in the Arkham Asylum TPB.

I'm completely lost on Supes comics. I tried reading Kingdom Come and wanted to shoot myself by the end.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 05:17:22 AM
For Supes I'd jump around. Read the Death storyline but stop before the funeral/supermen crap. The newer stuff has been good. Richard Donner had a short run on it that reintroduced Zod and lead into the current (and good) New Krypton story.

Same thing with Batman. Read Knightfall, but not the Azbat bullshit. 
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 05:18:27 AM
Oh yeah you MUST read Death in the Family. Joker beating Jason Todd with a crowbar before blowing him up is classic.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2010, 06:20:06 AM
Raban: Read Batman Year One. Miller and Mazuchelli. Really good stuff.

No Man's Land is a must? What?

In general, all the best Batman stuff is regular single-issue stories. Longer does not equal better.

Manabyte, "faithful to the comics" does not inspire me at all. The recent animated film had all that stuff, even Kilowog, and it was still boring.
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Post by: Raban on January 22, 2010, 06:27:09 AM
Raban: Read Batman Year One. Miller and Mazuchelli. Really good stuff.

No Man's Land is a must? What?

In general, all the best Batman stuff is regular single-issue stories. Longer does not equal better.

Manabyte, "faithful to the comics" does not inspire me at all. The recent animated film had all that stuff, even Kilowog, and it was still boring.

Forgot to mention I own Year One as well. Excellent stuff. Mazzucchelli is an amazing artist. I wanted to get Asterios Polyp simply because his name's on it.

So...No Man's Land is no good?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2010, 06:30:06 AM
I read it all (i read any old shit) but it's really not much good. The premise is ridiculous and they sweep it all under the carpet at the end like nothing ever happened. Plus, it's spread over about 50 books so it's a bit of a slog. Give it a couple of issues by all means but I really wouldn't expect you to like it much.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 06:52:57 AM
Superman Red Son is an awesome Elseworlds book.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 22, 2010, 07:04:40 AM
For Supes I'd jump around. Read the Death storyline but stop before the funeral/supermen crap. The newer stuff has been good. Richard Donner had a short run on it that reintroduced Zod and lead into the current (and good) New Krypton story.

Same thing with Batman. Read Knightfall, but not the Azbat bullshit. 

The Death of Superman "story" is terrible.  It's just a seven-issue long fistfight.  The Funeral/Supermen thing is WAY more interesting.

Same thing with Knightfall.  Shit story, the stuff that happened afterwards (the idea of introducing an "edgy" Batman just to show fans who wanted one how much they'd hate it) is much more interesting.

Death in the Family is also crap. wtf with your recommendations.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 07:10:46 AM
Azbat was shit. It was just DC trying to capitalize on Image by making a Batman that was a reject from Youngblood.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 22, 2010, 07:18:23 AM
wait, did you fail to recommend All Star Superman and recommend New Krypton instead?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 07:24:08 AM
The All Star books are just DCs version of the Ultimate universe. Blah.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 22, 2010, 07:28:45 AM
Azbat was shit. It was just DC trying to capitalize on Image by making a Batman that was a reject from Youngblood.

...you really missed the point of that entire storyline, didn't you?  Wow.
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Post by: Eric P on January 22, 2010, 08:25:26 AM
wait, did you fail to recommend All Star Superman and recommend New Krypton instead?



to be fair new krypton is pretty good

also
(http://www.progressiveruin.com/images/jokerbar.gif)
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Post by: Diunx on January 22, 2010, 10:06:01 AM
They altered Golden Compass so much from the books people hated it.

GL is extremely faithful to the comics. Jordan gets the ring from Abin Sur, Sinestro is his mentor, and they even have Kilowag in it. Hammond is the main villain but they're having Sinestro in it as Jordans mentor to set up at least the first sequel.

Ryan Reynolds is playing Hal Jordan, that pretty much kills most of my interest for the movie.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 22, 2010, 12:10:58 PM
wait, did you fail to recommend All Star Superman and recommend New Krypton instead?



to be fair new krypton is pretty good


Is it? I can't really get past the whole "last son of krypton except for his new 50,000 friends" thing

What's the diff between New Krypton and the Bottle City of Kandor

Also, failing to recommend All-Star Superman is about the worst oversight imaginable.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
CONTINUITY ISN'T REAL. THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS CONTINUITY.
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Post by: Eric P on January 22, 2010, 12:17:11 PM
that's kind of why it's cool

all of superman's friends are fascists and hate humanity
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 22, 2010, 12:18:23 PM
is New Krypton an actual planet? or is it shrunk in a bottle somewhere?

and the New Kryptonians are jerks?

I stopped even paying attention to DC Superman when uh, Superman was not in the comic for like a year. Mon-El? GTFO

(http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/thumb/3/3e/Superman_v.1_686.jpg/300px-Superman_v.1_686.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on January 22, 2010, 12:20:50 PM
i stopped reading it for the past 6 months, but i read like a year's worth in a day or so and it's honestly pretty good.

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Post by: ManaByte on January 22, 2010, 04:12:12 PM
New Krypton is Kandor. Brainiac broke open Kandor and unleashed all the Kryptonians.

Basically for years writers have been saying to give Supes some depth give him a kid to deal with. Well that didn't go over well in a movie, so they decided "well, lets give him 100,000 Kryptonians to deal with"
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Post by: chronovore on January 23, 2010, 08:26:22 AM
I've got no love for Superman; he's boring, through and through. The only time I've enjoyed him is when Morrison wrote him in JLA and All-Star Superman. My vision of Supes is the brainwashed dope from Dark Knight Returns. He wants to do the right thing, but he's just so powerful that he never has to think about it hard enough.

Hm. Kind of an analogy for America, I guess.

I've been reading Peter David's Fallen Angel. It's been a long run, and I've almost given up several times, usually after a really trite spate of dialog, but things have finally gotten interesting. He's been trying to do "dark" for three or four years, and it's like he finally figured it out. I guess he had to come down off all the sterility of those Star Trek novels he wrote (which are some of the best Trek novels, for what that's worth).

Also re-read Doktor Sleepless, which is better the second time around. I'm less upset by all the almost instantaneously dated tech references, and getting more into the larger picture of what it takes to change the world when it's crap but everyone's convinced themselves that it's tolerable. The tulpa stuff is pretty neat; not sure how he's going to work in The Old Ones he's shown taking out Dok's parents. The art in the book is annoyingly straightforward while managing to be uneven. I honestly like his artist on Freakangels better, Paul Duffield; at least he's consistent and has a sense of enthusiasm.

And Rob Liefield can't draw.
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Post by: Tucah on January 24, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
I've been doing a decent amount of comic reading lately starting with the random rush from the summer where I had an urge to go through the current GL run in time for Blackest Night. Still picking up GL/GLC/BN monthly and just finished catching up on Invincible (which I loved). I think Walking Dead is next for me, it's something that I've wanted to start for a while and I figure it's a good time to start with my Kirkman kick from Invincible.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 25, 2010, 12:42:25 AM
Love Invincible. It's like Spider-man could be if the status quo was ever allowed change meaningfully. Walking Dead is also great, although I think death fatigue set in for me a while back. It takes a lot to shock me now.
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Post by: Eric P on January 25, 2010, 08:55:47 PM
http://www.tcj.com/superhero/rich-kreiners-yearlong-best-of-the-year-new-krypton


We’re in the midst of complimenting, amazingly enough, aspects of three ongoing commercial mega-crossovers. Last time, acknowledgment went to crafted early moments of Brian Michael Bendis’ Dark Avengers which displayed real cleverness in conception and smacked of authentic presidential malfeasance. This time it’s the more complex social and political framework underlying the “New Krypton” cycle in DC’s Superman-related titles.

“New Krypton” is the realm created by the enlargement of Brainiac’s bottled city of Kandor, a Silver Age artifact familiar to Superman readers of longstanding. That enlargement unleashes a flood of super-powered Kryptonians on Earth, in essence 100,000 new Supermen, itself a wrinkle that might awaken some curiosity in readers of almost any standing.

Early on there are glimpses of what that many endowed aliens might mean to the storyline. Among the glistening spires of New Krypton, a newly supered-up visitor dumps a blue whale carcass in a pristine courtyard: “I found this in the water. It tried to eat me. I punched it. It stopped trying to eat me.” At street-level Metropolis, two Kryptonians exhibit indifference, then disdain, at a traffic accident; they were moved neither to prevent it before nor to mitigate the severity of the injuries after. It all tends to heighten the clash of sensibilities and, in the process, throw into high relief the deep-seated humanity the Kents bequeathed their adopted son Clark during the course of his upbringing.

Of course things get worse for almost everybody. There’s an admirable coordination between the saga’s authors, among them Geoff Johns and James Robinson, in conveying the astonishment and confusion rippling along both sides of the species divide.They provide the satisfying progression from nervousness to apprehension to suspicion to antagonism to provocation and hostility between the sides, an escalation accelerated by sheer foreignness and disparate wherewithal. On “our” side are wary citizens, overmatched costumed good guys and, well behind the scenes, bad guys forwarding their own agenda. The other side boasts a multitude of strange visitors from another planet, augmented to unmatchable levels, carrying out their own agenda in plain sight. And why wouldn’t they? What have they to hide or be ashamed and hesitant about? Anyway, who could do anything about it?

In one proactive bit of vigilante housecleaning — not to trivialize death, even in funnybooks — several cops are killed in the line of duty by Kryptonians (unnecessarily, it appears to readers). The newcomers’ leader, Alura, explains: “there’s an earth term I’ve learned of late – collateral damage. These policemen were unlucky.” Eventually she will allow that humans are “Pathetic and inferior yet mired in hubris. Let them all die.”

Not to trivialize real-world horrors — especially as funnybook inspiration — but it’s difficult not to map specific incidents, twists or snippets of dialogue onto those real-world horrors.  First to mind are the conflicts of the Middle East. American servicemen and women, armed and armored like relative supermen, alien supermen, intervene in Iraq, hoping that shock and awe can pave the way to immediate objectives. Perhaps a closer mapping still is that of the Palestinian / Israeli fighting during the winter of 2008. There, the latter, enjoying a similar superiority of armament and weaponry, inflicted wildly disproportionate degrees of “collateral damage” upon their opposition. Theirs was a premeditated response that could have flowed directly from the position enunciated by the fictional Alura: “Until we are absolutely safe, there can be no limits.”

As for our escapist entertainment, Superman, compromised by his multiple allegiances, is superimpotent to effectively intervene, unable to prevent unfolding tragedies. So’s Supergirl, twice over, as her mom is Alura.  By way of contrast, Lex Luthor remains an exemplar of unswerving motivation, pure as driven soot. All in all, the opening act made for a tight and tidy dilemma for its principle players.

As of the end of the second collected volume of the “New Krypton” storyline, some of the most intractable problems mentioned here have seemingly been sidestepped, put on a back burner by the fabulous developments possible only in comics. Thank goodness this is only an imaginary story, eh?
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Post by: bork on January 25, 2010, 09:33:19 PM
Is DC still in danger of losing their rights to Superman?
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Post by: ManaByte on January 25, 2010, 09:34:11 PM
Is DC still in danger of losing their rights to Superman?

They lost some rights, kept others. And the heirs can sue them if they don't get a Superman movie started by next year.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 25, 2010, 09:56:18 PM
that actually sounds pretty interesting (New Krypton), but unfortunately comics means I have no idea where to start, what to read, which books are involved, etc. Comics!
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Post by: Eric P on January 26, 2010, 08:17:30 AM
there are two tpbs of new krypton and one of Brainiac

the brainiac one is prelude that shows how kandor came to be on earth

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Krypton
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 26, 2010, 09:42:10 AM
superman was pretty awesome in the late 80s when jerry ordway was doing a lot of it
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 26, 2010, 10:11:31 AM
Superman for All Seasons is pretty good.
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Post by: bork on January 26, 2010, 04:00:25 PM
How was Superman: Up, Up, and Away?  Focusing on a depowered Superman using his reporter skills to fight crime as Clark Kent seems kind of interesting.
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Post by: Eric P on January 26, 2010, 04:20:19 PM
i actually never read it though i was intrigued by the concept
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Post by: chronovore on January 26, 2010, 07:52:43 PM
http://www.tcj.com/superhero/rich-kreiners-yearlong-best-of-the-year-new-krypton


We’re in the midst of complimenting, amazingly enough, aspects of three ongoing commercial mega-crossovers. Last time, acknowledgment went to crafted early moments of Brian Michael Bendis’ Dark Avengers which displayed real cleverness in conception and smacked of authentic presidential malfeasance. This time it’s the more complex social and political framework underlying the “New Krypton” cycle in DC’s Superman-related titles.

“New Krypton” is the realm created by the enlargement of Brainiac’s bottled city of Kandor, a Silver Age artifact familiar to Superman readers of longstanding. That enlargement unleashes a flood of super-powered Kryptonians on Earth, in essence 100,000 new Supermen, itself a wrinkle that might awaken some curiosity in readers of almost any standing.

Early on there are glimpses of what that many endowed aliens might mean to the storyline. Among the glistening spires of New Krypton, a newly supered-up visitor dumps a blue whale carcass in a pristine courtyard: “I found this in the water. It tried to eat me. I punched it. It stopped trying to eat me.” At street-level Metropolis, two Kryptonians exhibit indifference, then disdain, at a traffic accident; they were moved neither to prevent it before nor to mitigate the severity of the injuries after. It all tends to heighten the clash of sensibilities and, in the process, throw into high relief the deep-seated humanity the Kents bequeathed their adopted son Clark during the course of his upbringing.

Of course things get worse for almost everybody. There’s an admirable coordination between the saga’s authors, among them Geoff Johns and James Robinson, in conveying the astonishment and confusion rippling along both sides of the species divide.They provide the satisfying progression from nervousness to apprehension to suspicion to antagonism to provocation and hostility between the sides, an escalation accelerated by sheer foreignness and disparate wherewithal. On “our” side are wary citizens, overmatched costumed good guys and, well behind the scenes, bad guys forwarding their own agenda. The other side boasts a multitude of strange visitors from another planet, augmented to unmatchable levels, carrying out their own agenda in plain sight. And why wouldn’t they? What have they to hide or be ashamed and hesitant about? Anyway, who could do anything about it?

In one proactive bit of vigilante housecleaning — not to trivialize death, even in funnybooks — several cops are killed in the line of duty by Kryptonians (unnecessarily, it appears to readers). The newcomers’ leader, Alura, explains: “there’s an earth term I’ve learned of late – collateral damage. These policemen were unlucky.” Eventually she will allow that humans are “Pathetic and inferior yet mired in hubris. Let them all die.”

Not to trivialize real-world horrors — especially as funnybook inspiration — but it’s difficult not to map specific incidents, twists or snippets of dialogue onto those real-world horrors.  First to mind are the conflicts of the Middle East. American servicemen and women, armed and armored like relative supermen, alien supermen, intervene in Iraq, hoping that shock and awe can pave the way to immediate objectives. Perhaps a closer mapping still is that of the Palestinian / Israeli fighting during the winter of 2008. There, the latter, enjoying a similar superiority of armament and weaponry, inflicted wildly disproportionate degrees of “collateral damage” upon their opposition. Theirs was a premeditated response that could have flowed directly from the position enunciated by the fictional Alura: “Until we are absolutely safe, there can be no limits.”

As for our escapist entertainment, Superman, compromised by his multiple allegiances, is superimpotent to effectively intervene, unable to prevent unfolding tragedies. So’s Supergirl, twice over, as her mom is Alura.  By way of contrast, Lex Luthor remains an exemplar of unswerving motivation, pure as driven soot. All in all, the opening act made for a tight and tidy dilemma for its principle players.

As of the end of the second collected volume of the “New Krypton” storyline, some of the most intractable problems mentioned here have seemingly been sidestepped, put on a back burner by the fabulous developments possible only in comics. Thank goodness this is only an imaginary story, eh?

And this is all without Superman in it? It sounds really good.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2010, 07:54:39 PM
It has Superman in it. but really, it's not that good. Utterly bemused at the excitement over this. The initial premise is good and it started off well but it's filled with absolutely inane events and is now a muddled mess. Plus, it's blatantly leading into a huge crossover event.
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Post by: Eric P on January 26, 2010, 07:55:18 PM
well, remember, i said i've only read the beginning stuff, but i found it enjoyable

it may shit the bed later but i never got there
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 26, 2010, 08:03:28 PM
Eric P: EXONERATED

Manabyte: NOT EXONERATED
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Post by: Diunx on January 27, 2010, 11:40:11 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/life/comics/2010-01-27-marvel27_ST_N.htm

More details about Marvel's "Heroic Age", I love how both Dc's and Marvel's new status quo have this very optimistic feel to them after both Secret Invasion and Final Crisis left their universes in the shitter.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 28, 2010, 03:00:20 AM
Concept art from the GL movie:
http://cosmicbooknews.com/articles/glm_report/

Holy shit. And to think they almost made it a Jack Black comedy.
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Post by: Ichirou on January 29, 2010, 06:34:09 AM
I hope the plot they talked about isn't the real thing.  It reads as horribly unfocused and can't decide on a villain (Hector Hammond or Legion) or a setting (Earth or space).
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Post by: ManaByte on January 30, 2010, 03:38:19 PM
GL always takes place in Earth and space and this is an origin movie so it makes sense.

It's like complaining about Batman Begins having too many villains.
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Post by: Raban on January 30, 2010, 08:31:22 PM
GL always takes place in Earth and space and this is an origin movie so it makes sense.

It's like complaining about Batman Begins having too many villains.

Hey Mana I'm interested in GL. What some essential shit that I should read? Is it worth digging up the Showcase Presents books or should I focus on the more contemporary TPBs?
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Post by: Ichirou on January 30, 2010, 08:58:57 PM
GL always takes place in Earth and space and this is an origin movie so it makes sense.

It's like complaining about Batman Begins having too many villains.

It's not in any way like that.  I'm talking about the basics of storytelling.  It reads as unfocused - you don't split the plot in half over most of the movie with two mostly unrelated stories starring the same protagonist that switch back and forth.
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Post by: ManaByte on January 30, 2010, 09:57:57 PM
GL always takes place in Earth and space and this is an origin movie so it makes sense.

It's like complaining about Batman Begins having too many villains.

Hey Mana I'm interested in GL. What some essential shit that I should read? Is it worth digging up the Showcase Presents books or should I focus on the more contemporary TPBs?

Read Geoff John's run. Start with Rebirth then issue #1.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2010, 02:00:31 AM
Chew continues to be hilarious and surprising. Fantastic art too. Strongly recommended.
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Post by: Eric P on January 31, 2010, 12:24:53 PM
GL always takes place in Earth and space and this is an origin movie so it makes sense.

It's like complaining about Batman Begins having too many villains.

Hey Mana I'm interested in GL. What some essential shit that I should read? Is it worth digging up the Showcase Presents books or should I focus on the more contemporary TPBs?

the showcase stuff is mad goofy, i'd start with rebirth exactly as mana suggests
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on January 31, 2010, 02:21:38 PM
I would actually recommend secret origin and Emerald twilight before rebirth to get a little familiar with Jordan, Rebirth is not really that good if you are not familiar with the GL world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on January 31, 2010, 02:52:17 PM
Hmm. We'll see. Goddamn comics and their complexity.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 02, 2010, 11:04:36 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/02/misfitshellfire.jpg)

:uguu

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/02/02/the-seven-most-amazingly-shojo-moments-in-x-men-misfits/
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2010, 11:16:58 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/02/misfitshellfire.jpg)

:uguu

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/02/02/the-seven-most-amazingly-shojo-moments-in-x-men-misfits/
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 :usacry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 02, 2010, 11:20:19 PM
That's Longshot in the bottom left corner with the mandolin? Holy fuck. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 02, 2010, 11:28:53 PM
I though that was Emma :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 02, 2010, 11:54:33 PM
The scariest part is that is 100% American-made.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 03, 2010, 12:41:23 AM
The scariest part is that is 100% American-made.

Not entirely. Anzu, the artist, is from Indonesia.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 03, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Star-Superman-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401229174/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265157871&sr=1-1

:hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on February 03, 2010, 12:13:08 PM
BONER!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 03, 2010, 03:30:45 PM
Chew continues to be hilarious and surprising. Fantastic art too. Strongly recommended.

Yeah, this has become one of my most anticipated books each month.

Siege #2 :rock enjoying it a lot more than BN so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 04, 2010, 02:22:40 AM
Chew continues to be hilarious and surprising. Fantastic art too. Strongly recommended.
Will find. Thanks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2010, 02:29:35 AM
Chew continues to be hilarious and surprising. Fantastic art too. Strongly recommended.
Will find. Thanks.

First 5 issues are out in trade, 'Taster's Choice'.
One-time only offer: If you don't like it, I'll buy it from you and give it to someone else!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2010, 02:30:56 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Star-Superman-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401229174/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1265157871&sr=1-1

:hyper

:hyper

but October? gah.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 04, 2010, 02:39:43 AM
Chew continues to be hilarious and surprising. Fantastic art too. Strongly recommended.
Will find. Thanks.

First 5 issues are out in trade, 'Taster's Choice'.
One-time only offer: If you don't like it, I'll buy it from you and give it to someone else!
Yeah, cool. Of course, I'd have to ship it to you and you'd have to ship or hand it off again. But I'll probably like it.

My copy of Leave It To Chance by Paul Smith showed up yesterday: 1600 yens for a lovely HARDCOVER. Amazon.co.jp is teh awesum.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2010, 02:52:10 AM
Yeah, amazon is our best bet. The only problem I have is that buy one comic, and they send you an email every day for the rest of your life plugging shitty comics.

You will LOVE Chew. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 05, 2010, 02:17:35 AM
Yeah, amazon is our best bet. The only problem I have is that buy one comic, and they send you an email every day for the rest of your life plugging shitty comics.

You will LOVE Chew. 
I've got that system beat, Fuad Ramses! I use a chaff hotmail account for my amazon dealings, and get my notifications on stuff i actually care about, like MP3 freebies and sales, through their twattings.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2010, 02:32:48 AM
on the other hand...gmail. no need to ever do anything with it. let amazon and google's servers fight for all i care.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 05, 2010, 02:54:45 AM
http://www.beaucoupkevin.com/blog/this-is-a-tiny-game-piece-that-features-aquamans-wife-vomiting-blood/2010/02/02/

Red Lanterns are an awful idea even by the lowered standards of Comics!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 05, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
(http://i50.tinypic.com/9rog3o.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on February 05, 2010, 03:57:54 PM
jim lee own shares in an india ink mine or something?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 05, 2010, 07:00:04 PM
jim lee own shares in an india ink mine or something?

That's 100x better than the non-variant cover.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 05, 2010, 07:07:19 PM
is that cover supposed to mean something to me? serious question.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on February 05, 2010, 07:13:51 PM
You shut your whore face, it looks fine.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2010, 07:19:12 PM
Hawkman :lol

i've never watched an ep of Smallville but i must see this
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 05, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
oh God :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on February 05, 2010, 07:44:15 PM
oh my god

hahahahaha

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 05, 2010, 07:55:47 PM
Hawkman :lol

i've never watched an ep of Smallville but i must see this

Two full hours!

(http://i48.tinypic.com/34zbsk1.jpg)

HOLY SHIT :rofl :rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 05, 2010, 08:15:06 PM
That's badass.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Ichirou on February 05, 2010, 08:40:12 PM
I love that this discussion has turned into how did Hawkman make his mace?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2010, 08:42:38 PM
Brian Blessed is intrinsically interesting.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: cool breeze on February 05, 2010, 08:44:44 PM
superman's costume is a trench coat  ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 05, 2010, 09:22:14 PM
He's not Superman yet. He's "the blur" and he just runs around real fast...in a blur.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on February 05, 2010, 09:29:28 PM
Is there anything else interesting about Hawkman?

the hawkgirl resurrected lovers story

especially as hawkgirl hates hawkman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on February 06, 2010, 03:59:08 AM
I've been meaning to ask, I assume you guys download a lot of comics. Where exactly do you get them from?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 07, 2010, 03:03:39 AM
I like comics, I like movies and TV shows about comics, but can't deal with Smallville. I even like that lovely critter Kristen Kreug, but still can't stomach Smallville.  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Ichirou on February 07, 2010, 03:06:49 AM
Unless you have a huge budget, anything to do with costumed heroes is going to look majorly cheesy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 07, 2010, 05:45:51 AM
I've been meaning to ask, I assume you guys download a lot of comics. Where exactly do you get them from?

direct connect hubs all the way for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 07, 2010, 03:33:41 PM
I've been meaning to ask, I assume you guys download a lot of comics. Where exactly do you get them from?

Warez-bb.org and Myxss.com
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 15, 2010, 01:32:13 PM
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/marvel-astonishing-line-100215.html

I don't even know what to say about that x-men artwork, just fucking awful.

Spidey/Wolverine on the other hand :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 15, 2010, 01:58:13 PM
DAT ART
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 15, 2010, 08:06:12 PM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/astxmenvol2_01cov_col_02.jpg)

:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 15, 2010, 08:16:41 PM
You shut your whore face, it looks fine.

(http://6.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kvvw4dhFcu1qz8qfno1_500.jpg)

No, it doesn't.

r&d meeting

dude 1: ok, how can we change superman's costume so it's not gay, and not piss off the nerdling fans?
dude 2: lets give him a dark trenchcoat or some shit right, then have the superman logo tagged on his black tee
dude 1: sounds innovative and inclusive, i like it
dude 2: ok now lets work on the justice league members
dude 1: nah, just have them look gay, no one will care
dude 2: alright
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 15, 2010, 09:49:32 PM
*bad art*

:rofl

:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on February 15, 2010, 10:36:05 PM
I like the art but Scott looks a little odd and Emma is way too short and ass is lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 15, 2010, 10:40:46 PM
There is nothing good about that artwork.  It's hideous.  The artist just fucked up; someone posted some of his other work and it looked a hell of a lot better.

Who is the anime rip-off girl on the left?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on February 15, 2010, 10:45:17 PM
Armor, who coincidently is Japanese.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 16, 2010, 04:05:45 AM
Armor, who coincidently is Japanese.

Awful, awful, awful.

Awful.

But I still can't get over how badly drawn Emma Frost is.   :lol

Also I wanna bitch at how I hate the whole "Utopia" storyline and I hate how Cyclops is the head honcho, with both Prof. X and suddenly-good-again Magneto "under" him.   :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 16, 2010, 04:09:10 AM
It's time someone tosses Joe Quesada off a building.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on February 17, 2010, 09:30:00 AM
Storm's hips and waist are so awful I think they would have been rejected from Aeon Flux  :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on February 17, 2010, 10:18:31 AM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/astxmenvol2_01cov_col_02.jpg)

:rofl

what the fuck is this?

what are they doing to Astonishing and changing one of the best things about that series (the fucking art)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 19, 2010, 08:38:55 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/02/ditkospidey.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 19, 2010, 08:39:57 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/02/liefeldcable.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 19, 2010, 11:27:19 PM
so i'm watching this new justice league crisis on two earths animated feature, and mark harmon is probably the worst superman voice ever

i mean, i honestly think i could have done a better job sitting on the shitter with a digital recorder in my hand

surprisingly, william baldwin (!!!William!!!!Baldwin!!!!) makes a pretty decent batman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 20, 2010, 12:25:20 AM
is it worth a download? I'm a fan of the Morrison/Quitely book...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 20, 2010, 12:35:59 AM
pretty decent, especially stacked against the other D2D DC crap

there are some silly moments, eyerolling dialogue here and there, and it's missing the kink from the book (end plot is a lot different, too), but the fight scenes are well-animated and the story is fairly well-told

there are also cameos by a lot of "twisted" versions of dc heroes throughout the movie

and i liked this owlman better than the comics version, to be honest

there's a ten-minute spectre bonus short on the dvd i haven't been able to find, supposedly that's done in the old "horror avenger" 1970s style and is pretty trippy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 20, 2010, 12:39:18 AM
mark harmon is genuinely terrible as superman, though - i wasn't kidding about that
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 20, 2010, 01:59:31 AM
James Wood made a pretty awesome Owlman, and wonder woman had some great moments too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on February 20, 2010, 02:35:12 PM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/astxmenvol2_01cov_col_02.jpg)

:rofl
:-\

I quit comics shortly after Cyclops got killed (loved it)/Claremont came back (hated it). People say good things about Morrison's run; one day I'll pick it up. Too bad Cyclops is alive again
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 21, 2010, 01:14:56 AM
Jim Lee promoted to co-publisher of DC and Geoff Johns is CEO.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 21, 2010, 01:22:29 AM
Storm's hips and waist are so awful I think they would have been rejected from Aeon Flux  :yuck
Yeah, actually my first thought was "when did Peter Chung pick up art chores?"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 23, 2010, 03:08:24 PM
 :drudge Blackest night Spoilers!  :drudge

There is a pic of
spoiler (click to show/hide)
white lantern Sinestro
[close]
around the web, smh Johns.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 23, 2010, 05:31:42 PM
Storm's hips and waist are so awful I think they would have been rejected from Aeon Flux  :yuck
Yeah, actually my first thought was "when did Peter Chung pick up art chores?"

Did you get hold of Chew yet? Again, I'm sure you will love this. It's joyously deranged.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 23, 2010, 06:32:12 PM
It's in my Amazon cart, waiting for me to place an order. So... not in my hands per se, but nearly so. Thanks for the reminder!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 24, 2010, 12:29:51 PM
Welp Jim Lee is co-publisher of DC for not even a week and they are already looking at bittorrent...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 24, 2010, 12:37:24 PM
link please
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 24, 2010, 12:44:16 PM
link please


Twitter.
"How many of you read bittorrented comics? Do you supplement bought comics with add'l pirated ones? Just curious..."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on February 24, 2010, 12:48:41 PM
bittorrent?

for comics?

he'd be better off searching the direct download providers

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 24, 2010, 12:53:34 PM
i mainly download stuff published from the 30s through the 70s so i don't really care

he should maybe ask the masterworks guys about the scanning scene, some of them have actually requested clean scans of rarer comics from groups before
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 24, 2010, 12:55:11 PM
also anyone who answers his question is an idiot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 28, 2010, 07:50:53 PM
so i decided to read through all of blackest night because i figured it wasn't fair to keep talking shit about it without having read it all

turns out my i should have gone with that first instinct

if this is what the future of dc comics is gonna look like with didio and johns in charge, then i can safely continue with my plan of not giving a fuck about dc comics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on March 01, 2010, 04:13:27 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388940

I know there's a thread for GAF, but I'd really like to know how Marvel undid Spidey's outing and his marriage without it being absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged?  Please.  Somebody.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2010, 04:17:14 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388940

I know there's a thread for GAF, but I'd really like to know how Marvel undid Spidey's outing and his marriage without it being absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged?  Please.  Somebody.

The Devil undid their marriage so that Peter Parker could save Aunt May from dying.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on March 01, 2010, 04:19:20 PM
... couldn't they have gotten a divorce?  I've been through one and it's more hell than the devil can do.

How about undoing his outing in the civil war?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 01, 2010, 04:19:36 PM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=388940

I know there's a thread for GAF, but I'd really like to know how Marvel undid Spidey's outing and his marriage without it being absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged?  Please.  Somebody.

The Devil undid their marriage so that Peter Parker could save Aunt May from dying.

...AGAIN.  It's as distinguished mentally-challenged as the clone saga shit was.  This is why I don't read Spider-Man comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 01, 2010, 04:20:51 PM
... couldn't they have gotten a divorce?  I've been through one and it's more hell than the devil can do.

How about undoing his outing in the civil war?

I think it was something like Mephisto wanting the love Spidey and MJ had, or something cheesy like that.  They agreed and Spider-Man was suddenly not married and nobody remembered him revealing his identity.  Absolutely distinguished mentally-challenged.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on March 01, 2010, 04:22:44 PM
HOLY CRAP

that is bad.  I've got a good 200 or so spidey comics and am a pretty big fan of the old stuff.  The last time I bought a spidey comic he had some bad attitude and was married to MJ and I thought Aunt May had died or something (I picked it up randomly without reading previous entries) and it was just godawful.  I'm staying the fuck away forever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 01, 2010, 04:27:05 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_One_More_Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_One_More_Day)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 01, 2010, 05:03:24 PM
HOLY CRAP

that is bad.  I've got a good 200 or so spidey comics and am a pretty big fan of the old stuff.  The last time I bought a spidey comic he had some bad attitude and was married to MJ and I thought Aunt May had died or something (I picked it up randomly without reading previous entries) and it was just godawful.  I'm staying the fuck away forever.

I had been wondering about Aunt May coming back from the dead myself, since I was an avid Spider-Man reader up until the mid-90s, when I dropped Marvel all together for 4-6 years.  What was it, Amazing Spider-Man #400 where Aunt May "died?"  I say "died" because apparently what they did to bring her back was to make it so that the Aunt May who died was actually an imposter.   :lol ::)

Put Spider-Man back with Mary Jane.  Focus on good stories instead of stupid-ass "earth-shattering character-changing events."  I miss the way the Marvel Universe was right at the beginning of the 1990s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on March 01, 2010, 05:20:04 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_One_More_Day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_One_More_Day)
:barf

HOLY CRAP

that is bad.  I've got a good 200 or so spidey comics and am a pretty big fan of the old stuff.  The last time I bought a spidey comic he had some bad attitude and was married to MJ and I thought Aunt May had died or something (I picked it up randomly without reading previous entries) and it was just godawful.  I'm staying the fuck away forever.

I had been wondering about Aunt May coming back from the dead myself, since I was an avid Spider-Man reader up until the mid-90s, when I dropped Marvel all together for 4-6 years.  What was it, Amazing Spider-Man #400 where Aunt May "died?"  I say "died" because apparently what they did to bring her back was to make it so that the Aunt May who died was actually an imposter.   :lol ::)

Put Spider-Man back with Mary Jane.  Focus on good stories instead of stupid-ass "earth-shattering character-changing events."  I miss the way the Marvel Universe was right at the beginning of the 1990s.
holy shit.  an imposter??  and people keep reading this shit??  every few years I hear someone tell me that Marvel is starting on a clean slate and going back to the basics for spiderman, but yet they use the same annoying tactics over and over again they know spiderman fans hate.  and they wonder what makes comic book reading such an embarassing hobby nowadays.  It's worse than your grandma's soaps.  Gimme normal peter parker/spiderman and mary jane and aunt may and the good ol' bad guys coming and trying to fuck shit up and spidey saving the day.  I don't need a spiderman from a different dimension or another down and out spidey.  just give me the basics back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 01, 2010, 05:58:57 PM
The first several issues of Ultimate Spider-Man were good: high school Peter Parker, adolescent angst, trying to do the right thing in a world that doesn't accept him (neither as an adult, nor a superhero). A fun ride. It's not canon, but the "canon" of Spidey is a joke.

Oh, and if you want real spider-man fun, grab Twisted Toyfare Theater compilations.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 01, 2010, 07:01:37 PM
spider-man has been distinguished mentally-challenged since the 70s

grew extra arms, drove the spider-mobile, gwen stacey clone, fought these dudes:

(http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManB/Large/AmazingSpider-Man110.jpg)

(http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManA/Large/AmazingSpider-Man081.jpg)

(http://www.samruby.com/AmazingSpider-ManB/Large/AmazingSpider-Man139.jpg)

etc, etc

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 01, 2010, 10:15:59 PM
Spidey has been pretty awesome since one more day, Gauntlet has been fantastic so far, but I think they should have kill May in these arc, she serves no purpose whatsoever and it would make for a great story if they pick the right writer, same with Jimmy fucking Olsen I want him to have a very long and painful dead.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 02, 2010, 12:26:20 AM
Undoing the Spidey marriage was Quesada's goal when he took over Marvel. JMS regretted ever agreeing to write it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2010, 12:26:57 AM
Spidey has been pretty awesome since one more day, Gauntlet has been fantastic so far, but I think they should have kill May in these arc, she serves no purpose whatsoever and it would make for a great story if they pick the right writer, same with Jimmy fucking Olsen I want him to have a very long and painful dead.

We don't often agree on comics, but you're absolutely dead fucking on about Spidey right now. It's fucking GREAT. Fantastic art as well. :rock

:bow Diunx :bow

:piss uninformed Spidey haters :piss2

OTOH, there's no real reason they couldn't have had it be just as good with Mary Jane and Aunt May etc etc...they've proven all they need is great stories and great art.  Love the 3 issues/mo. format though - I guess that helps. As great as it is, it's kind of insubstantial so I don't know if i'd be as happy about it if I had to wait a month between issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 02, 2010, 01:47:17 AM
JMS retconned Gwen Stacey fucking the Green Goblin and squirting out a pair of goblinbabies, so he can eat a thousand dicks
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2010, 01:52:34 AM
Well, you can keep on hating JMS all you want but that has nothing to do with the fact that AMS is top-notch awesome right now :rock

Just forget all that nonsense ever happened. That's what the writers do!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 02, 2010, 02:05:45 AM
I like Spider-Man fine, he was my favorite character as a kid. Just saying people can't really call BND any more distinguished mentally-challenged than fighting a dude calling himself The Kangaroo whose power is jumping on stuff.

I thought the JMS run was abysmal, though.  Spider-totem, my ass.  Can't blame that horseshit on Quesada.

I like the idea of BND, btw.  Spider-man was always supposed to be the lovable loser who could barely manage to keep his shit together from month to month, but always kept a sense of humor about his predicaments.  "The hero who could be you." Once they had him banging hot models and joining The Avengers all that shit went right out the window.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2010, 02:32:57 AM
That's pretty much the vibe they are nailing right now. It's not art, it's not a timeless classic, but it's pretty great Spider-man comix. The last 10-12 issues have been rockin'.

lyte edge - I checked out Power Girl after your raving ITT. Pretty fun! Hope this team sticks together...I'll probably stop reading the second they split up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 02, 2010, 02:48:57 AM
lyte edge - I checked out Power Girl after your raving ITT. Pretty fun! Hope this team sticks together...I'll probably stop reading the second they split up.

Same; I'm only buying it because of them...I've looked at other comics with Power Girl and the character is just your typical all-tits superwoman.  Palmiotti/Gray/Conner make it what it is!  If you want to get in on their full PG run, it basically goes like this:

-JSA Classified Power Girl #1-4
-Supergirl #13
-Terra #1-4
-Power Girl (ongoing; currently at #9)

Also read The Pro.  It's a mature-rated parody about a hooker that gets super powers.  Pretty funny.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2010, 02:53:01 AM
I'll take a look at those. I have no idea who this Terra is.

I was most amused to see Vartox appear. He was in some random issue of Superman or Action Comics that made it over to Ireland when I was a kid. Even at the time, I thought he had the gayest costume ever made. Blatantly a parody of Sean Connery in Zardoz too.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1a/Vartoxdcu0.jpg/250px-Vartoxdcu0.jpg)
:supergay
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 02, 2010, 02:58:46 AM
I'll take a look at those. I have no idea who this Terra is.

I was most amused to see Vartox appear. He was in some random issue of Superman or Action Comics that made it over to Ireland when I was a kid. Even at the time, I thought he had the gayest costume ever made. Blatantly a parody of Sean Connery in Zardoz too.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1a/Vartoxdcu0.jpg/250px-Vartoxdcu0.jpg)
:supergay

 :lol Yeah, and that story didn't end like most people were probably expecting!

Terra is a character from the Teen Titans comics, but the one in Power Girl and her own limited series is not the same character.  She's like the third Terra or something...it really doesn't matter; this character is completely new and the limited series gives her origin.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2010, 03:19:28 AM
Yes, i said i don't know who THIS Terra is. I had most of the original Perez run of Teen Titans back in the day. Still surprisingly awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2010, 03:22:51 AM
Yeah, I was in during the Perez run as well; I used to think Marv Wolfman was an AMAZING writer. He /is/ a nice guy though. And he did manage some pretty spectacular mystery and drama in the common superhero vein while Claremont was busy regurgitating on himself and Moore was changing the entire paradigm.

Terra was interesting; really unlikeable.

Oh, and I remember getting all hot and bothered over a post-coital shot of Grayson and Starfire that Perez whipped out for some fan at a convention. I think I had a 10th-generation xerox of it, but it was by Perez SO IT MUST BE CANON.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2010, 04:49:00 AM
There was a great post-coital shot during that run with Terra and Deathstroke lounging around in robes, brandy snifters and cigarettes to hand. Given that she was supposed to be 15 or 16 at the time, I wonder how they sneaked that one past the CCA.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 02, 2010, 06:19:05 PM
Oh, wow. I'd totally forgotten about their "relationship" - ew.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 04, 2010, 11:23:13 AM
Wasn't she hes daughter?, or was that another terra?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 04, 2010, 12:30:32 PM
Wasn't she hes daughter?, or was that another terra?

maybe she then got pregnant...AND SHE WAS THE BABY

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 04:36:11 PM
Alan Moore as a Japanese schoolgirl doujinshi :uguu

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/03/04/ryusuke-hamamotos-darkseid-is-a-pretty-little-lady-girl-week/

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:lol

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Vizzys on March 04, 2010, 04:39:00 PM
moore is so moe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 04, 2010, 04:54:54 PM
new avatar getto
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 04, 2010, 05:51:18 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 04, 2010, 06:21:34 PM
wow, cry for justice and flash rebirth were fucking horrible :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on March 04, 2010, 10:35:04 PM
Neither of those Alan Moore doujins have been scanned yet. Thats some shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 05, 2010, 02:45:51 PM
I picked up my Ed Brubaker stuff today. I had not been to the store in awhile, so the haul was $50+ :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 05, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
moore is so moe

OR is he?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 06, 2010, 10:36:46 AM
Can someone explain to me, in a world where color eReaders are about to hit the market in a very big way, why DC and Marvel are not selling digital comics for download?

Really, make downloadable .PDFs for 99 cents and I'll subscribe! Marvel has some kind of digital comic store, but it's not really recent stuff and tied to the web browser. How is this not a done deal? Don't the realize everyone's just going to pirate comics once everyone owns an iPad?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 06, 2010, 11:10:36 AM
marvel has some deals with several iphone app makers to distribute their e-titles, but the catalog is pretty small

and yeah, their digital subscription interface/reader is pretty shit

dc, i dunno what the hell their deal is

these guys basically waited too late to start anything, really

it's pretty shameful for a multimillion dollar comic company when the pirates are doing a better job of scanning, archiving, and cleaning up older titles

really, all they'd have to do at this point (almost the entire DC output from the 30s to present has been scanned) is collect up all the scans from the newsgroups and torrents, pick the best quality ones out, and sell those at 99 cents a pop - what the hell could the pirate scanners do about it

they won't even make that nominal effort, though
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 06, 2010, 11:45:33 AM
I just picked up my haul from the local comic book shop, and the prices on the issues are ridiculous now. I really don't feel like spending that kind of cash anymore.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 06, 2010, 11:46:59 AM
Instead, Jim Lee has a DC attack dogs targeting torrents now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 06, 2010, 11:59:47 AM
well, that particular pandora's box has been fisted wide open at this point

comic scanners (i am speaking specifically of golden and silver age scanners here) do a service, imo

i have scanned some of my golden age comics before, it takes about 3 hours to scan a 64 page GA comic, align it, and clean it up (all i do is run some light scripts to take some of the yellowing out, myself)

some of these comics will never be reprinted for one reason or another (rights issues, lack of popular interest, etc), and this is a great way of preserving particular moments in pop culture

i've already read hundreds of comics from the 30s through the 50s that i would have otherwise lived my entire lifetime without even seeing in person

jim lee can talk all the shit he wants, but like i said earlier, some of the masterworks production crew have gone on various forums requesting clean scans of art/comics in the past (i distinctly remember one guy calling for scans of early marvel mystery and sub-mariner issues)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 06, 2010, 12:04:53 PM
Can someone explain to me, in a world where color eReaders are about to hit the market in a very big way, why DC and Marvel are not selling digital comics for download?

Really, make downloadable .PDFs for 99 cents and I'll subscribe! Marvel has some kind of digital comic store, but it's not really recent stuff and tied to the web browser. How is this not a done deal? Don't the realize everyone's just going to pirate comics once everyone owns an iPad?

I think the answer has been hinted at earlier in this thread; with Marvel owned by Disney, and Jobs on the Disney board, the likely answer will be to hobble things that might be empowered by piracy. This didn't stop Apple when it wanted to make  a music store. It was actually part of how they approached the RIAA: "Other people are already eating your lunch. You can't do anything about it. Want in?"

Instead this time they're looking at ways of removing usability from users, by limiting what they can access. And we've already seen Apple put the kibosh on finished apps because they don't offer items which replicate abilities in their own s/w-- and they don't tell anyone what they're working on, so it's easy for devs to invest time in making something which was already in progress at Apple under their Veil of Steve. I can only imagine developing for iPod/iPhone right now must be a total crapshoot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: The Fake Shemp on March 09, 2010, 12:14:34 PM
Finally wrapped up Brubaker's Incognito. I will never get tired of the 'ole Brubaker/Phillips combo, but the ending felt rushed - like they ran out of time or something. Latest Criminal issue was fantastic, per usual. Criminal is the best thing out right now.

I'm reading Andy Diggle's run on Daredevil, and I don't know how I feel. I want to like it, and I don't hate it, but the latest issue left a sour taste in my mouth. I hate plots that involve a super secret conspiracy behind an already existing conspiracy.

I'm dumping Captain America again - fuck Steve Rogers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Ichirou on March 09, 2010, 07:24:28 PM
From what I understand, the comic book companies do not make particularly big profits these days, so any revenue sources should be welcomed, IMO.  It would be so easy to put this stuff out online, too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2010, 07:29:59 PM
I didn't like Incognito much, I'm afraid. The first couple of issues were fine but then it devolved into shock value and ever-spiralling ridiculousness. What is it with comic writers that they can't stick to the actual concept they lay out? They can't write a 6 issue story about an ex-supervillain WITHOUT throwing the usual kitchen sink of 'people thought he was dead BUT O NO HERE HE IS' and 'your whole life was part of one big plot by an evil mastermind' and 'SHOCKING BETRAYAL by one close to you' etc etc.  Going in, I was lead to expect the whole thing would be a low-key examination of how a bad-ass copes with mundanity but it mostly ended up being about a bad-ass being a bad-ass and doing all the usual bad-ass shit. Zzzzz.

Reading Fear Agent right now. Great stuff, and I have no idea where he's going with all of this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 09, 2010, 07:32:40 PM
cosigned - I expected Incognito to be an interesting riff on the hero/villain dichotomy, but no, it was just more xtreme pervert suits
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2010, 07:37:47 PM
Try Fear Agent - it has rayguns and jetpacks and a genuine anti-hero! Luscious art too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 09, 2010, 07:38:51 PM
I'm fucking sick of "superheroes EXCEPT" as a genre

fuckers don't even bother with the "EXCEPT" anymore
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2010, 07:45:27 PM
It struck me recently that a major reason superheroes survive as a genre is because people can't distinguish the characters in most comics unless they are in costumes. Look at Walking Dead - the artists go to great pains to make the characters individual-looking, but readers complained until they started putting in a 'who's who' in every issue. Yet no matter how shitty the art, everyone can tell Superman from Batman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 09, 2010, 07:48:03 PM
yeah, I can't tell any of those fuckers apart in Walking Dead, sorry!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 09, 2010, 07:50:11 PM
And so Marvel Zombies was born :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 09, 2010, 11:34:46 PM
And so Marvel Zombies was born :'(
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 10, 2010, 12:19:27 AM
Hey, the first few Marvel Zombies books were fun reads!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2010, 12:28:52 AM
I won't deny they were fun in an extremely distinguished mentally-challenged way for about 5 minutes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 10, 2010, 10:05:34 PM
Batman and Robin 10 was brilliant, the return of bruce wayne went off with an awesome start, fuck brightest day, this will end up being the event of 2010 for DC.

Chew 9 was also fantastic, loved the cliffhangers :lol, the last one was really wtf! worthy, I love the art and the writing of this series, these guys have a brilliant future in the industry.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 13, 2010, 05:02:34 PM
M.O.E.D.O.K.: Mobile Organism Expressly Designed Only for Kawaiiness

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on March 16, 2010, 04:45:35 AM
I stopped by my local comic shop to pick up Essential Ms. Marvel and the clerk there told me that Disney is archiving all the essentials and that they aren't printing any more. Is this true?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 16, 2010, 03:52:40 PM
I stopped by my local comic shop to pick up Essential Ms. Marvel and the clerk there told me that Disney is archiving all the essentials and that they aren't printing any more. Is this true?

Your comic book guy is an angry nerd pissed that Disney bought Marvel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on March 16, 2010, 06:30:56 PM
I stopped by my local comic shop to pick up Essential Ms. Marvel and the clerk there told me that Disney is archiving all the essentials and that they aren't printing any more. Is this true?

Your comic book guy is an angry nerd pissed that Disney bought Marvel.

Figured as much.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 16, 2010, 06:32:06 PM
Disney has absolutely no say, yet, in how Marvel runs things or publishes their books.

Fuck, Disney only bought Marvel for the rights to the characters.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 16, 2010, 07:14:22 PM
I stopped by my local comic shop to pick up Essential Ms. Marvel and the clerk there told me that Disney is archiving all the essentials and that they aren't printing any more. Is this true?

Your comic book guy is an angry nerd pissed that Disney bought Marvel.

Wow! Asking a comic store employee how a comic is created and published is just as accurate as asking a GameStop employee how a game is developed and published!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 16, 2010, 08:56:50 PM
Also, 'Essential Ms. Marvel' is an oxymoron.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on March 17, 2010, 12:06:06 AM
I stopped by my local comic shop to pick up Essential Ms. Marvel and the clerk there told me that Disney is archiving all the essentials and that they aren't printing any more. Is this true?

Your comic book guy is an angry nerd pissed that Disney bought Marvel.

Wow! Asking a comic store employee how a comic is created and published is just as accurate as asking a GameStop employee how a game is developed and published!

I didn't ask. He told me. Come on now, I know better than to initiate conversation between myself and a lowly retail clerk :smug

Also, 'Essential Ms. Marvel' is an oxymoron.

:punch
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 17, 2010, 12:34:05 AM
Also, 'Essential Ms. Marvel' is an oxymoron.

Ms. Marvel rocks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 17, 2010, 12:36:27 AM
maybe now, but that series from 1977 is pretty awful
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 17, 2010, 12:42:43 AM
That openback suit she had around that time was reason enough to read her books :drool
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 17, 2010, 12:46:56 AM
Ms. Marvel rocks so much that they cancelled the series!   :lol

Kinda sucks; I liked Sana Takeda's art.

(http://marvel.com/i/content/st/26005new_storyimage7674376_full.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on March 17, 2010, 02:12:55 PM
dat crotch
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on March 19, 2010, 03:08:35 PM
CUM!!!

(http://www.onipress.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/SPV6-4x6-COMP-FNL-copy.jpg)

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“It’s been quite a ride, and I couldn’t have gotten here without the support of the fans and the retailers,” said O’Malley. “It feels great to be in the home stretch, and I think this is going to be the best Scott Pilgrim book ever!”

Bryan Lee O’Malley and the SCOTT PILGRIM series have both been honored with multiple awards including the Harvey, Doug Wright, Joe Shuster, and National Cartoonists Society Reuben awards, in addition to being named Entertainment Weekly and Wizard Magazine’s Independent Comic of the Year. Series Editor and Oni Press Editor-in-Chief James Lucas Jones gave additional praise to O’Malley, “it’s been an honor working with Bryan over the years. He’s got such a unique voice and I’ve been fortunate to witness him develop a style unlike anyone working in the industry today; a style that I feel will influence many future generations of comic professionals. I’m so proud that Oni has been a part of that.”

Oni Press will be rolling out a series of event announcements in the weeks and months leading up to the release, including Bryan Lee O’Malley signings at this year’s sold out San Diego Comic Con. Oni Press Publisher Joe Nozemack said about the works, “I’m convinced that Scott Pilgrim will go down as one of those series that changed comics forever. When I’m out and see someone wearing a Scott Pilgrim t-shirt or sitting in a cafe reading one of the books, I get so excited about comics entering the mainstream and to know that Oni Press’ books are helping lead the way, it’s an indescribable feeling. I can’t wait to see the reaction to the final volume!”

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 20, 2010, 12:08:20 AM
Really liked American Vampire, the art is :drool
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 20, 2010, 07:09:17 AM
Damn, Palmiotti/Gray/Conner are leaving Power Girl after issue #12.  That was the only book I was buying regularly.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Ichirou on March 20, 2010, 07:25:26 AM
Power Girl has big boobies. :)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on March 20, 2010, 01:15:20 PM
Yes she does
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 20, 2010, 01:48:26 PM
Damn, Palmiotti/Gray/Conner are leaving Power Girl after issue #12.  That was the only book I was buying regularly.  Oh well.

A shame, Conner was the book imo, it wont be the same without her style and charm.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 26, 2010, 11:31:14 PM
what's the best cbr reader?  i totally forgot the name of what i was using but it was some manga reader that was just amazing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on March 27, 2010, 12:33:16 AM
I use Pixelcomic, everyone recommends cdisplay but I just can't get used to it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 27, 2010, 01:53:17 AM
Weird. I can't get used to anything other than Cdisplay.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 27, 2010, 03:01:40 AM
Damn, Palmiotti/Gray/Conner are leaving Power Girl after issue #12.  That was the only book I was buying regularly.  Oh well.

A shame, Conner was the book imo, it wont be the same without her style and charm.

Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray thought so, too.  I read Palmiotti's blog and he said after they found out that Amanda Conner wanted to leave (looks like to take some time off), they just couldn't bring themselves to replace her and decided to leave the book with her.  He did say that they passed along scripts to the next writer.  Maybe I will give it a chance, but it won't be the same. 

Power Girl #10 was great and the ending was awesome; at least they are going out with a bang.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 28, 2010, 01:03:44 AM
Did anyone else here read Nemesis this week?  It's written by Mark Millar, of Wanted and Kick-Ass fame, among others.

(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/73456comic_storystory_full-6586873..jpg)

The actual retail cover says "Makes Kick-Ass look like shit!"  :lol  The cover character is not a super hero, but rather the world's only super villain, and one hell of a ruthless son a bitch.  In just the beginning alone, he goes to Tokyo and
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kidnaps the police chief, misleads his men into a building full of explosives, blows it up, causing it to crumble and fall, killing tons of people, then the frame reveals that the chief is tied up to a chair on some train tracks.  The train comes by and splatters him everywhere, then leaves the tunnel they're in and falls off the now-missing bridge that was part of the blown-up building.
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It read like it was clearly intended to be made into a movie.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Ichirou on March 28, 2010, 01:07:34 AM
Looks like Batman used way too much bleach when cleaning his tights.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on March 28, 2010, 01:15:25 AM
I didn't like Nemesis's art. I like McNiven but his art seemed real off. I didn't care for it all together.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2010, 01:49:45 AM
Yeah, Millar's stuff just reads like movie storyboards these days. They're all 5 minute reads that are carried (or not) by the artist, plus whatever degree of shock he manages to evoke in you. Still fun for 5 minutes though.
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Post by: Diunx on March 28, 2010, 02:03:24 AM
I think this one already has a movie deal :lol
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Post by: bork on March 28, 2010, 02:09:17 AM
Yeah, Millar's stuff just reads like movie storyboards these days. They're all 5 minute reads that are carried (or not) by the artist, plus whatever degree of shock he manages to evoke in you. Still fun for 5 minutes though.

I don't know about "these days."   :lol  Wanted is what, seven years old now?  It had the same kind of feel, and the two main characters even looked suspiciously close to Eminem and Halle Berry. 
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Post by: Purple Filth on March 28, 2010, 05:37:55 AM
i'm checking out on this and i see that Sinestro is a white lantern


WAT?

Plus Kitty is back
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Post by: Veidt on March 28, 2010, 09:12:53 AM
wat a shitty suit he's wearing though.
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Post by: Diunx on March 28, 2010, 02:22:15 PM
I still don't get the mask.
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Post by: Purple Filth on March 31, 2010, 05:03:30 PM
seems Image is re releasing YoungBlood 1 under their  "image first" label

(http://i401.photobucket.com/albums/pp93/spikespiegel_ngaf/comic_gaf/youngblood.jpg)

preview of the greatness that is rob liefield  :lol

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/ba9ddf6i4773/prv4773_pg5.jpg)
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Post by: Yeti on March 31, 2010, 05:18:01 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Diunx on March 31, 2010, 06:21:18 PM
Holy shit the art in BN#8 was INSANE!!! :omg

The ending was exactly what was expected but I'm interested in how things are gonna develop.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on March 31, 2010, 07:36:20 PM
I just got this huge ass book in today:

Ninja by Brian Chippendale:

(http://imgur.com/FypVb.jpg)

(http://imgur.com/T3ffN.jpg)


it's about a ninja and is extremely bizarre, like everything published by Picturebox
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Post by: Diunx on March 31, 2010, 07:37:59 PM
Thats a lot of panels.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on March 31, 2010, 07:41:33 PM
almost every page is like that too. :lol 
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Post by: Himu on March 31, 2010, 07:43:43 PM
the author/artist for vgcats would be proud.
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Post by: Don Flamenco on March 31, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
VGcats guy would give up after seeing how many panels are in this book
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Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 31, 2010, 07:50:46 PM
how are the Marvel Noir books? Especially Spider-man and Punisher?
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Post by: Diunx on March 31, 2010, 07:53:32 PM
Those two are the only good ones, but is nothing out of this world.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 17, 2010, 11:55:11 PM
McFarlane just tweeted that movie producers are contacting him about Haunt.

They'll definitely have to change that costume for a movie...
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Post by: Diunx on April 18, 2010, 12:30:44 AM
Man, between that and the walking dead series Kirkman is gonna be swimming in a nice pool of money.
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Post by: muckhole on April 18, 2010, 11:49:46 AM
McFarlane just tweeted that movie producers are contacting him about Haunt.

They'll definitely have to change that costume for a movie...

Having been out of the comics loop for years, I had to go look the character up. Yeah, that's one original costume.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 25, 2010, 05:01:47 AM
Marvel's iPhone/iPad ap is actually pretty good.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 25, 2010, 10:45:56 PM
You must all read Afrodisiac, from the team that brought you Street Angel:

(http://precur.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/afrodisiac.jpg)

It's freakin' hilarious, and a masterpiece of design. It's a blaxpoitation parody in the vein of Black Dynamite but much more surreal and comicbooky.

Well worth $15, especially since it's a silk-bound hardcover.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 12:28:08 AM
Started reading Siege tonight. Marvel moving away from the "villains pretending to be heroes" bs has me looking forward to Avengers #1.
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Post by: Purple Filth on April 27, 2010, 12:54:44 AM
Started reading Siege tonight. Marvel moving away from the "villains pretending to be heroes" bs has me looking forward to Avengers #1.

So is Thunderbolts basically done then since that was its shtick?
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Post by: ManaByte on April 27, 2010, 02:46:24 AM
Basically. All current Avengers books are cancelled and they're restarting with Avengers #1 with Cap, IM, and Thor on the team. 
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Post by: Diunx on April 28, 2010, 11:15:10 PM
Second coming spoilers:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nightcrawler is dead
[close]
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Post by: ManaByte on April 29, 2010, 02:25:42 AM
For now.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 29, 2010, 03:13:13 AM
Schedule for the 2061 San Diego Comic Con announced:
http://www.blueshiftworld.com/BlueshiftTravelHtTML/comic-con_1_ready.html
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Post by: Yeti on April 29, 2010, 05:27:10 PM
I've never read any Marvel comics, but I've kind of been interested to try some. Are there any good trade paperbacks for Spider-Man or X-Men that are more like self contained stories where I don't need to know ridiculous amounts of continuity?
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Post by: ManaByte on April 29, 2010, 05:52:21 PM
I'd read McFarlane's run on Spider-Man that introduces Venom. Only decent Spider-Man before the spiral into stupidity.

For X-Men, anything Claremont did is great. INCLUDING X-Men Forever since he killed off Wolverine immediately.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2010, 02:03:10 AM
Astonishing X-men is probably the best of the bunch they have up there. By Joss Whedon, awesome art by John Cassaday.

I can err hook you up with much better stuff of course.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 30, 2010, 02:05:09 AM
What you, personally, should read is this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phonogram_(comic)

Being essentially a love letter to BritPop and the Manics in particular.
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Post by: Diunx on April 30, 2010, 10:55:54 AM
Read The Ultimates, its pretty much 2 books of The Avengers tearing shit up :rock
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Post by: Diunx on May 01, 2010, 02:27:49 AM
Tomorrow is free comic books day so go to your local store and get some free books you lucky yanks.

For the rest of the world they are already available on the webz :pirate
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Post by: ManaByte on May 01, 2010, 10:05:50 PM
Siege is awesome so far.
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Post by: ManaByte on May 18, 2010, 02:18:22 PM
J. Scott Campbell does the Disney princesses:
http://loyalkng.com/2010/05/15/comic-book-art-disney-princess-scott-campbell-includes-cinderella-beauty-beast-mermade-tinker-bell-alice-wonderland-sleeping-beauty-malifacent-snow-white/
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 18, 2010, 04:39:24 PM
Saw those a while back. Nice stuff. I really liked Xenogenesis, art was very stylish but the constant shots of Emma's chest made me laugh. Good stuff.
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Post by: bork on May 18, 2010, 06:50:58 PM
That Siege garbage is finally over, as is Dark Reign.  This week all the new Avengers books come out...it's Marvel's "Brightest Day."

I want to go back and read all the Dark Avengers comics now.  Only read the first six or so, and the last issue.
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Post by: Diunx on May 18, 2010, 09:16:57 PM
Siege #4 was complete crap, but the other issues where good, dark avengers is great, its pretty much a sequel to Ellis Thunderbolts.
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Post by: ManaByte on May 18, 2010, 11:16:54 PM
I love the last panel of Siege #1 with Cap watching the TV and getting pissed :rofl
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Post by: bork on May 19, 2010, 07:39:11 AM
Siege #4 was complete crap, but the other issues where good, dark avengers is great, its pretty much a sequel to Ellis Thunderbolts.

It's all over now.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 01, 2010, 03:34:22 PM
The Return of Bruce Wayne is :rofl
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on June 01, 2010, 04:18:49 PM
I haven't read the second yet but I really liked the first. Caveman Bruce was neat. It was cool that he even had a Robin too.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 01, 2010, 05:06:45 PM
Puritan Batman is even better than Caveman.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 01, 2010, 06:19:21 PM
Tried to read some of Batman & Robin. But Frank Quietly = puke
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2010, 09:01:24 PM
Tried to read some of Batman & Robin. But Frank Quietly = puke

It's Quitely. And those are the most beautiful issues I've seen in the past year. How so many people can not get such a great artist is beyond me.

Agreed on Bruce Wayne #2 - that was great stuff. Same artist that did Morrison's Klarion the Witch Boy series (part of Seven Soldiers) in case you want more.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 02, 2010, 04:10:46 PM
Miller on Xerxes:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/06/xerxes-300-frank-miller-300-zack-snyder-300.html
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Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2010, 07:35:09 PM
I love Quitely's work, though sometimes I'm less than thrilled with his women, who commonly appear m2f postops.
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on June 02, 2010, 07:46:41 PM
I love Quitely's work, though sometimes I'm less than thrilled with his women, who commonly appear m2f postops.

 :drool
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Post by: Eric P on June 02, 2010, 08:12:11 PM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/ericprva/dungeon.jpg)

i'm currently going through Dungeon, which is a parody of heroic fantasy while also being a wonderful heroic fantasy in itself.

very very good stuff
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 02, 2010, 10:21:22 PM
never heard of it but sounds interesting. Who is it by and who publishes?
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Post by: Eric P on June 03, 2010, 08:54:21 AM
It's kind of by a rotating roster of artists.  It's French, but it's printed in small full color editions by NPB, who often translates Eurocomics for North American consumption.

I've only just started reading it, and it's a very large series, though only a small portion has made it to English, unfortunately.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeon_%28comics%29
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Post by: Diunx on June 03, 2010, 09:26:49 AM
Tried to read some of Batman & Robin. But Frank Quietly = puke

Get some taste dude.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 03, 2010, 03:28:33 PM
Only Quitely could make Superman gay:
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8z0ZaDF7tTQ/SwNp0YWxIpI/AAAAAAAAAVo/MATLEZqLM10/s1600/All+Star+Superman+Cover.jpg)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 03, 2010, 03:41:16 PM
Miller on Xerxes:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/06/xerxes-300-frank-miller-300-zack-snyder-300.html

You gotta be shitting me
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2010, 09:24:35 PM
That's the greatest Superman cover I've ever seen, smh. Utter lack of taste confirmed. I suppose you hate Bill Sienkiewicz, Alex Maleev, Ben Templesmith et all as well?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2010, 09:31:49 PM
This just turned up in the post:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51C7kVfgy3L._SS500_.jpg)

Dong Xoai, Vietnam by Joe Kubert

A true story about US soldiers in Vietnam as 'advisors' prior to declaration of war, somewhat fictionalized and illustrated by 83-yr comics legend Joe Kubert. It looks insanely gorgeous. Cross-posting from books thread.
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Post by: chronovore on June 06, 2010, 09:10:03 PM
Miller on Xerxes:
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/herocomplex/2010/06/xerxes-300-frank-miller-300-zack-snyder-300.html

You gotta be shitting me
What part makes you incredulous?
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Post by: ManaByte on June 06, 2010, 10:09:20 PM
As if Miller will get all of the parts finished before the end of the decade.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 06, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
Why not? I assume Hollywood won't be bothering him for a while after The Spirit bombed.

Maybe you're too young to remember, but I remember going into the comic shop and seeing awesome new issues of Daredevil that he wrote and drew every month for several years. Frank can crank it out.
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Post by: chronovore on June 07, 2010, 05:21:28 AM
Boo ya. Frank knows how to move, that's for sure. Trouble is, he can make bad judgment calls, like letting Lynn Varley spaz colors all over the Dark Knight sequel. I'd also argue that Ronin looks like crap, but it's clear in retrospect that he was just working toward the style in which he would eventually render DKR. Which is flawless.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2010, 10:08:13 AM
comics on iPad is probably the greatest thing ever OMG
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 23, 2010, 01:45:29 AM
Correction, THIS is the greatest thing ever:

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/4723603447_db30b2cbb6.jpg)

Reposted from the "Things you bought" thread, on the grounds that someone here might care.

I checked out a few of the scans of this when it initially came out but it was tough to read on screen and I lost interest. This, however, is something else. The whole thing is printed on art paper, unlike the original newsprint, so the art absolutely shines. Plus, it's presented at double the normal height, so when you read it, you're looking at basically 4 normal comic pages. It's just stunning. The strips themselves are great fun for the most part, but this is all about the art. Just a gorgeous book. I have no idea where I'm going to put it though - my wife hated it before I even opened the amazon box! (which was approx. the size of a gravestone).
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 23, 2010, 09:28:46 AM
The DC Comics iTunes app is up. Plenty of free samples! And at least one comic that's not in stores yet, which is unexpected. Cool beans. Planetary, The Losers, Sandman, All-Star Superman etc all up there.
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Post by: Diunx on June 29, 2010, 08:32:02 PM
WW new design

(http://i45.tinypic.com/2emo0hx.jpg)

:rofl :rofl :rofl
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2010, 09:16:24 PM
Why is Wonder Woman dressed like Trinity? ???
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 29, 2010, 09:28:35 PM
It can't tell if it wants to be '80s or '90s. Not that anyone cares about Wonder Woman.

OK, let's talk about REAL comics, homos.

I read Sea Bear and Grizzly Shark last night, what a fucking riot. A shark lives in the forest, a bear lives in the sea. They murder people in horrific fashion constantly with zero provocation or warning. The shark is particularly hilarious, since it can home in on the most unlikely amount of blood at astonishing distances.

(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_EPFF03dTkaU/S-isAmd5g2I/AAAAAAAAA8g/gIM5F8MpJig/s1600/8.jpeg)


preview pages here:
http://theygotmixedup.blogspot.com/
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Post by: bork on June 30, 2010, 06:51:02 PM
Yeah, I don't get the WW redesign either.  Maybe I expected too much from Jim Lee.  They are throwing out everything about the character and essentially starting over with her, but I read the prelude in WW #600 today and it just seemed like more the same, tired, cliche "character who doesn't know his/her past on the run in gritty environment" storyline we've seen before.  WW's design also screams early-90s leather jacket-with-pushed-up-sleeves-super hero. 

They need to leave the iconic characters' costume designs alone, but it's not like this storyline and character change will be permanent anyway.  I'm not a big fan of Wonder Woman's costume as is, but this latest version isn't any better. 

That said, I'm all for DC removing the underwear-on-the-outside-of-the-tights look that Superman and Batman (didn't they do this at one point already?) still have.   :P
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Post by: ManaByte on June 30, 2010, 06:55:45 PM
Yeah, I don't get the WW redesign either.  Maybe I expected too much from Jim Lee.  They are throwing out everything about the character and essentially starting over with her, but I read the prelude in WW #600 today and it just seemed like more the same, tired, cliche "character who doesn't know his/her past on the run in gritty environment" storyline we've seen before.  WW's design also screams early-90s leather jacket-with-pushed-up-sleeves-super hero. 

They need to leave the iconic characters' costume designs alone, but it's not like this storyline and character change will be permanent anyway.  I'm not a big fan of Wonder Woman's costume as is, but this latest version isn't any better. 

That said, I'm all for DC removing the underwear-on-the-outside-of-the-tights look that Superman and Batman (didn't they do this at one point already?) still have.   :P

You actually expected Jim Lee to not reside in the 90s?

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Post by: bork on June 30, 2010, 07:00:55 PM
He could have done a lot better.  Hell, I will take his Just Imagine...Stan Lee version over that costume.

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/0/40/752216-justimaginejimlee_super.jpg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 30, 2010, 07:55:47 PM
nobody cares /demi
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Post by: chronovore on July 04, 2010, 11:07:48 AM
Frank Miller's redesign for WW is pretty great. Subtle.

Sharks are scary.
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Post by: bork on August 12, 2010, 06:30:09 AM
So let me get this straight:

-Morrison's big idea for Batman after Bruce Wayne returns (properly) to the DCU is "Batman, Inc."
-It will focus on Batman recruiting other superhero/vigilante types to wear Batman suits and fight crime in his style.
-The costume is getting a re-design, ditching the jockey shorts outside the pants (yes!) and bringing back the yellow and black bat symbol.

So are they gonna ditch "Red Robin," "Batgirl," and others and just give them all matching batsuits?

(http://www.ifanboy.com/files/images/dc/Batman%20Inc_1.jpg)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 13, 2010, 11:24:05 AM
So let me get this straight:

-Morrison's big idea for Batman after Bruce Wayne returns (properly) to the DCU is "Batman, Inc."
-It will focus on Batman recruiting other superhero/vigilante types to wear Batman suits and fight crime in his style.
-The costume is getting a re-design, ditching the jockey shorts outside the pants (yes!) and bringing back the yellow and black bat symbol.

So are they gonna ditch "Red Robin," "Batgirl," and others and just give them all matching batsuits?


Have you actually READ a Grant Morrison comic? If so, is that really all you're expecting?
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Post by: Yeti on August 16, 2010, 06:17:47 PM
That's quite a big cup he's sporting there
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Post by: ManaByte on September 08, 2010, 02:19:50 AM
Tomorrow ASM #641 and 642 come out. 641 gets MJ back in Spidey's life. They don't retcon out One More Gay though. Still I think Quesada caved into the negative backlash and loss of readers. This is his Twitter image:
(http://a1.twimg.com/profile_images/1111177801/ASM641_cvr_col.JPG)
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 08, 2010, 11:30:13 AM
I thought she died or some shit. Haven't payed attention to comics in years
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Post by: ManaByte on September 09, 2010, 08:06:59 PM
My haul this week:
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/69458comic_storystory_full-3683091..jpg)
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/69460comic_storystory_full-6096012..jpg)
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/resized/2bc97706a61ffa86a315745f16a84c87.jpg)
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/13662storystory_full-2061576..jpg)
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Post by: ManaByte on September 09, 2010, 08:26:30 PM
Oh god. Quesada turned Dr. Strange into the magic Star Trek reset button.
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 09, 2010, 09:25:22 PM
smh at MJ. Nice art though aside from reusing a few OMD pages.
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Post by: ManaByte on September 10, 2010, 12:41:42 AM
I fucking hate the art in #642.
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Post by: Yeti on September 11, 2010, 07:49:15 PM
wow there is a girl Scorpion and a photo negative Venom now?
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Post by: Purple Filth on September 11, 2010, 09:05:22 PM
wow there is a girl Scorpion and a photo negative Venom now?

That venom has been around for a while now (since Brand New Day). Hes actually called Anti-Venom and is also the original Venom (aka Eddie Brock).

He literally lives up to his name.

Never knew about the female scorpion though.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 13, 2010, 01:30:36 AM
http://twitter.com/markmillarideas

Quote
What if Captain America was SECRETLY a NAZI?

Quote
What if instead of KILLING KILLERS, the Punisher RAPED RAPISTS?

Quote
What if the Invisible Woman was the secret cause of male nocturnal emissions ALL ALONG?

Quote
No longer just a metaphor: what if Spidey's webbing WAS real jizz?

Quote
What if I wrote an implied rape scene and then said people were reading the rape into it?
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Post by: chronovore on September 13, 2010, 11:21:15 AM
Excellent. That whole page reads like it might have been his notebook. It just needs a couple Hollywood namedrop moments.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 14, 2010, 12:07:01 AM
What if I made a magazine for teens and called it 'CUNT'?

oh wait, he already did that one.
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Post by: Diunx on September 14, 2010, 01:28:48 AM
Mark Millar is a bottomless Scottish well of ideas.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on September 14, 2010, 02:08:56 AM
I'd buy a comic where Punisher rapes rapists. That's not too off character for Frank Castle.
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Post by: chronovore on September 14, 2010, 06:59:18 AM
Call it "THE PENISHER"
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Post by: bork on September 16, 2010, 06:24:39 AM
I'd buy a comic where Punisher rapes rapists. That's not too off character for Frank Castle.

It's better than killing him off (again) and then bringing him back as say, the Frankenstein monster.  But Marvel would never do tha-- Oh, fuck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on September 21, 2010, 01:11:16 PM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/3_amazing_spider_man_650_02.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on September 21, 2010, 03:48:30 PM
so what's the story on THIS costume?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on September 21, 2010, 04:08:19 PM
so what's the story on THIS costume?

this is all i could find so far,

Quote
The Story: To face off against an amped-up HOBGOBLIN, you need an amped-up SPIDER-MAN! What's the story behind Spidey's NEW SUIT? What is it and what can it do? Meanwhile, MACH 5 (from THE THUNDERBOLTS) faces off against one of Spidey's deadliest foes! All this, and a secret side mission for THE BLACK CAT. Plus an additional 8 page story: We showed you who was behind the HOBGOBLIN'S mask last issue. But what were they up to BEFORE their startling return? Here's where you find out! 40 PGS.

and hey the insignia can change color

(http://i22.servimg.com/u/f22/15/22/09/94/4_amaz10.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 22, 2010, 04:07:19 PM
Spider-Man 2099?  What the shock?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on September 22, 2010, 06:51:21 PM
I think this is more like Spider-Tron
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 14, 2010, 12:01:23 AM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2010/10/peteranduncleben.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on October 14, 2010, 01:43:42 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2010, 05:18:20 AM
That Calvin and Hobbes Spidey is pretty darned good.

I'm re-re-reading The Walking Dead. O-M-F'ing-G, this series is excellent. I'd forgotten how some of the characters are introduced and... dismissed from the series. Without fail, Kirkman manages to keep the tone of a truly good zombie movie, never forgetting that the zombies are actually somewhat incidental; the main tension in the work must come from friction within the remaining humans.

Some memories from my previous readings remain pretty firmly attached, so it's hard to see some characters introduced, knowing how they'll end up, or what they'll end up doing. I know no-one is safe; I thought they'd have a hard time maintaining tension with "one good man," Rick Grimes, leading the storyline, but Kirkman has managed to gradually damage or kill parts of Rick to the point where that doubt has been answered. Now I'm left wondering how long the series can continue.

My hope is that it will end similarly to McCarthy's The Road, buy my fear is that it will lead a comic book's life, with a long descent into meaninglessness before it is ever canceled.

But for now it's still epic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on October 19, 2010, 12:17:31 PM
I think this is more like Spider-Tron

That's EXACTLY what it is.

(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404437..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7406359..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7406026..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404442..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404447..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404451..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404457..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7406010..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404561..jpg)(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404570..jpg)


•   AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #651 TRON Variant, featuring Spider-Man
• AVENGERS #7 TRON Variant. featuring Spider-Woman
•   AVENGERS ACADEMY #7 TRON Variant, featuring Quicksilver
• CAPTAIN AMERICA #612 TRON Variant, featuring Captain America
• INCREDIBLE HULKS #618 TRON Variant, featuring Ghost Rider
•   INVINCIBLE IRON MAN #33 TRON Variant, featuring Iron Man
•   NEW AVENGERS #7 TRON Variant, featuring Ms. Marvel
• SECRET AVENGERS #7 TRON Variant, featuring Moon Knight
•   THOR #617 TRON Variant, featuring Thor
•   WOLVERINE #4 TRON Variant, featuring Wolverine
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on October 19, 2010, 12:22:18 PM
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/content/14404storystory_full-7404442..jpg)
:drool
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 19, 2010, 03:15:42 PM
Lots of horrible artwork going on there!

The only good one is the Ghost Rider Tron cover.  It works.

On the comics front, I've been reading the Secret Invasion storyline from 5-6 years back on an iPhone comic reader.  I really, really like what they did with New Avengers and Mighty Avengers during this time, using both books to focus on the Skrulls who replaced certain key characters and showing everything from their points of view.  Also like some of the other tie-in books that feature other Skrull characters who have either been "hiding" on Earth in human identities and aren't on the Skrull invasion side, and the kooky "Skrull Kill Krew" that is just now popping up where I'm at in this story.  The one part of the story I cannot stand is the stupid "Skrull-god" storyline in the Hercules books.  It looks like that set up for the current Hercules storyline that has just started now.

Also decided to order The Battle For Bludhaven and both Freedom Fighters TPBs that came out recently, since I started getting the new series.  I read Bludhaven is one of those so-bad-it's-good books, and that the first FF TPB is good but the second is...eh, but I wanted to try them all. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 19, 2010, 07:22:13 PM
I'm up to the prison sequence in my re-reading of The Walking Dead. I'd forgotten about how creepy Michonne is, right from the start, and I'd completely forgotten how quickly the situation with the neighboring community and "The Governor" unravels.

I'm going to have to pace myself through the four new trade paperbacks I picked up. Reading through this, the pace seems relentless, like there is no break at all where people can just relax and show the portion of their personalities that isn't completely wrapped up in this dire, traumatic situation. There are several spots where it looks like they're going to be able to put down stakes and relax, but it never actually pans out. Even the prison.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 25, 2010, 11:28:00 PM
I'm up to the prison sequence in my re-reading of The Walking Dead. I'd forgotten about how creepy Michonne is, right from the start, and I'd completely forgotten how quickly the situation with the neighboring community and "The Governor" unravels.

I'm going to have to pace myself through the four new trade paperbacks I picked up. Reading through this, the pace seems relentless, like there is no break at all where people can just relax and show the portion of their personalities that isn't completely wrapped up in this dire, traumatic situation. There are several spots where it looks like they're going to be able to put down stakes and relax, but it never actually pans out. Even the prison.

I did a bit of thinking about how they could wrap the TV series up quickly if it doesn't last long enough to follow the full narrative of the comic. This got me thinking about how the comic should end. The only logical conclusion is a last panel of Zombie Rick chewing on his son, Carl. Or MAYBE Carl gnawing on Rick but I doubt it. Anything else would be a betrayal of the promise implicit in the title.

Last night I read Alison Bechdel's rather extraordinary 'Fun Home'. It was so good I bought another copy for my mum, which might be the first and last comic she'll ever read. Can't recommend it highly enough, it even has enough gay quotient for EB, being written by a lesbian activist and daughter of a gay father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun_Home
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on October 30, 2010, 01:38:15 PM
How is Superman: Earth One? amazon is selling the hardcover for 10 bucks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on November 02, 2010, 01:33:32 AM
I'm up to the prison sequence in my re-reading of The Walking Dead. I'd forgotten about how creepy Michonne is, right from the start, and I'd completely forgotten how quickly the situation with the neighboring community and "The Governor" unravels.

I'm going to have to pace myself through the four new trade paperbacks I picked up. Reading through this, the pace seems relentless, like there is no break at all where people can just relax and show the portion of their personalities that isn't completely wrapped up in this dire, traumatic situation. There are several spots where it looks like they're going to be able to put down stakes and relax, but it never actually pans out. Even the prison.

I did a bit of thinking about how they could wrap the TV series up quickly if it doesn't last long enough to follow the full narrative of the comic. This got me thinking about how the comic should end. The only logical conclusion is a last panel of Zombie Rick chewing on his son, Carl. Or MAYBE Carl gnawing on Rick but I doubt it. Anything else would be a betrayal of the promise implicit in the title.

Last night I read Alison Bechdel's rather extraordinary 'Fun Home'. It was so good I bought another copy for my mum, which might be the first and last comic she'll ever read. Can't recommend it highly enough, it even has enough gay quotient for EB, being written by a lesbian activist and daughter of a gay father.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fun_Home
I dunno, like The Road, this is a story about a father and son journey. Kirkman has stated that it's only about Rick, and the changes that a person would go through in this situation. I think at some point Rick will likely die, and we'll see some hint of where Carl will next go. But the story can't be about Carl, because it's not a story about the loss of the world for him. It's constantly shown that Carl is more practical in adapting to every situation. He may bawl and cry occasionally when things are understandably emotional, but he also has shown more pathos when appropriate -- and less, when the situation has demanded it.

I'm up to the beginning of "Fear the Hunters" in the TPBs, and I'm still stunned how Kirkman continues to pull rabbits out of a hat I was certain was entirely empty.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 02, 2010, 02:56:31 AM
Agree that Rick will die; after that we will find out where Carl goes

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(down Daddy's throat)
[close]

Seriously, that's the last, ultimate thing that can be done to Rick in this world. The final, inevitable defeat of a noble man by horrendous circumstance. Some variation of this will happen. Carl is a product of the current world, to a large extent - he barely knows anything else. Thus he's never going to be as interesting a protagonist as Rick. A story about Carl would boil down to a simple survival tale, without all the pathos brought in by the loss of his previous world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 04, 2010, 11:09:53 PM
COMICS COMICS COMICS COMICS COMICS OMG I'M DROWNING IN THEM!  :spin

I was wanting to read some Green Lantern before the movie came out and also because I kinda want to know what's going on with this whole Blackest Night/Brightest Day business, when I came across a whole slew of used GL TPBs at Hastings for $4-7 each. I got:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ULk5ctF8L._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51st3%2B%2BAlIL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OMgKgOqPL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61bK3sfewoL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61rNf%2B07Q3L._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fQMS%2BDvkL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Y9RduMyeL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Sq005SlWL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CYWUBtNqL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51579ADGXNL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51VkEb%2BHq-L._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61o53U2HOKL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BIEDmex-L._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51-5IXxFB7L._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)

I did a little research online, and I think this is every TPB of the rebooted GL & GL Corps series that have been released so far. I read the first few, alternating between GL & Corps and it's been pretty good so far. I'm just about to start the Sinestro Corps War. At first I was like  :dizzy when they started talking about Hal Jordan being both Parallax and Spectre, because I'm not really up on DC Mythos, so I had to wiki some of that. But apparently they just brought up all that old stuff just so they could totally dismiss it and start all over, so that's okay. I just want to see Flying Green Jedi blasting alien scum with green lasers, pretty much.

Also, non-GL related, I got:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51J89RUBYjL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51m3l0Z0l0L._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/415kxq%2Bm8CL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2010, 05:23:49 AM
Look on the bright side Joe - you got one good one (R.I.P.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2010, 04:23:51 PM
A good superhero comic? Don't be silly, I'm sure there's no such thing. It's all the about the deaths, the resurrections, the crazy personalities, the allegiance changes, the over-the-top storylines, and guys in tights beating the crap out of each other. It's like Professional Wrestling for people who can read. :rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 06, 2010, 04:01:53 AM
There are oodles of great superhero comics. For my sins, I've read every page of that Green Lantern stuff in scans and I can barely remember any of it. Given what you're looking for, I'd try Invincible, maybe - things can actually happen there since it's creator-owned. Consistently fun series. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Vizzys on November 06, 2010, 05:06:55 AM
i read superman red son recently, it was good except for the lol twist ending
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Powerslave on November 06, 2010, 06:25:25 AM
thread needs more pictures
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2010, 09:06:04 AM
There are oodles of great superhero comics. For my sins, I've read every page of that Green Lantern stuff in scans and I can barely remember any of it. Given what you're looking for, I'd try Invincible, maybe - things can actually happen there since it's creator-owned. Consistently fun series. 

Invincible! Another Kirkman series, what a shock! I have the first TPB of it, and keep meaning to grab more. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on November 06, 2010, 09:20:50 AM
Invincible was pretty awesome from what I remember of it - at least through the WATWAT end of the first story arc. I read a bit past that but never really got into it as much.

Also: finally got caught back up on Astro City :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2010, 09:24:58 AM
That's a great series. I read it and the Forty-Niners series prequel. Wait... am I thinking of Top-Ten?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 06, 2010, 09:38:33 AM
That's a great series. I read it and the Forty-Niners series prequel. Wait... am I thinking of Top-Ten?

Yeah. Astro City is by Kurt Busiek. Top Ten is Alan Moore. It's good stuff, at least for the first year or so. After that I lost track a bit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on November 10, 2010, 03:28:23 PM
JMS has quit monthly comics, saying that graphic novels are the future.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2010, 03:34:10 PM
I think just about everyone but the hardest of the hardcore just wait for the inevitable trade paperback to come out anyway. So that's probably the right move.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2010, 04:36:32 PM
Just finished reading

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Batwoman_Elegy.JPG)

It was awesome. :rock Batman should die more often.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 10, 2010, 05:04:52 PM
i read superman red son recently, it was good except for the lol twist ending

MARK MILLAR
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on November 10, 2010, 07:17:13 PM
I'm looking into getting some Graphic Novels again, but I need help choosing some. I like theo nes that are based onr eality, not superhero ones, i've read Walking Dead, Kick-Ass,Y:TLM, Box Office Poison, some of Fables, Scott Pilgrims, Marvel 1602 but im lookign for more reccomendations, but I don't like single issues I like TPD reccs please
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2010, 07:21:33 PM
i read superman red son recently, it was good except for the lol twist ending

MARK MILLAR

But what if the Punisher really was a rapist that raped rapists? Best comic ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 10, 2010, 08:46:33 PM
Just finished reading

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Batwoman_Elegy.JPG)

It was awesome. :rock Batman should die more often.

Yeah, I love this. The writing is eh, solid enough but the art is just stunning. Loved his riffing on Mazuchelli. The only drawback is that the cool double-page layouts were spoiled a bit by the spine.
It's coming back soon, in case you weren't aware. JH is writing as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2010, 10:50:15 PM
Just finished reading

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5a/Batwoman_Elegy.JPG)

It was awesome. :rock Batman should die more often.

Yeah, I love this. The writing is eh, solid enough but the art is just stunning. Loved his riffing on Mazuchelli. The only drawback is that the cool double-page layouts were spoiled a bit by the spine.
It's coming back soon, in case you weren't aware. JH is writing as well.

Yeah, I was constantly trying to spread the pages apart just a little bit wider. I'll definitely check out the solo series though, JH Williams artwork is just incredible.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2010, 12:31:08 AM
JH Williams has to be close to the top, right now. I prefer Quitely but JH is just killing it. Wish we saw more from both of those guys. I got the two Promethea Absolute volumes recently, the ones Williams did with Alan Moore. It's just gorgeous.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 11, 2010, 12:43:58 AM
Also, anyone who's re-reading All-Star Superman in the Absolute version really needs to read this:

http://techland.com/2010/11/02/the-secret-of-all-star-superman/

I've read the series 3 times but this never occurred to me even though I was SURE there was something weird going on with Quintum.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 11, 2010, 03:02:49 PM
http://ourvaluedcustomers.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 11, 2010, 04:00:16 PM
Also, anyone who's re-reading All-Star Superman in the Absolute version really needs to read this:

http://techland.com/2010/11/02/the-secret-of-all-star-superman/

I've read the series 3 times but this never occurred to me even though I was SURE there was something weird going on with Quintum.

just to be clear, the Absolute is out this week (http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Star-Superman-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401229174/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1289508959&sr=8-2). I know you sort of implied that but I thought I should make it explicit.

that's a cool theory re: Quintum; not sure I buy it but I'll pay attention while re-reading.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
One theory I have is that Leo Quintum is a descendent of Lex, not Lex himself - kind of like Braniac 5 to Braniac. He's still a time traveller, but he's trying to atone for his ancestor's ills, not his own. I have a feeling the text supports this reading equally well, plus there's the whole "Quintum" / "5" connection.
[close]

Morrison is the master of the new-but-really-old character.

:bow Xorn :bow2

:bow Oberon Sexton :bow2

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 11, 2010, 04:06:53 PM
http://ourvaluedcustomers.blogspot.com

I posted this in the Outside link thread the other day, pretty entertaining stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on November 11, 2010, 04:09:14 PM
It's like shitmanabytesays.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2010, 07:55:29 PM
http://ourvaluedcustomers.blogspot.com

I posted this in the Outside link thread the other day, pretty entertaining stuff.

These are my good sweat pants, mom! Gah!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2010, 11:42:24 PM
After reading Batman R.I.P., I also read through "Batman and Son" and "Batman: The Black Glove" to get the lead up. Now I'm pumped for some DC mythos. I usually only read the self-contained stories, but I decided to go all in and read through all the Crises.

Today, I read:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511-BqbZhvL._BO2,204,203,200.jpg)

Then I started on:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CM80JZGSL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CYPFESFPL.jpg)

And waiting I've got:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NJN83RAHL.jpg)(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/91/72/5470810ae7a07f33fa95a110.L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51001MYBE9L._SL500.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WDH0584DL..jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51AXGoC4ySL.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5187VpcCKzL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51ipeoVTU-L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51kAYn1-PLL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fJG9QICbL.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41XyZt2iKFL.jpg)

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51rRuh5iZoL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41SpnCjkIrL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511S4O%2BMrDL.jpg)

So, yeah, I think I'm good to go. Kinda maybe went a little bit crazy, may regret this, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 15, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
my god, Joe. Your poor eyes. Final Crisis is the shit but to be honest I'd recommend reading it 3 times rather than reading the rest of it once.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 15, 2010, 11:58:31 PM
52 is supposed to be good though, at least, right? That's what I've heard on the Internets.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 16, 2010, 12:26:30 AM
52 - definitely some good parts, but a lot of tedious/ridiculous/pointless stories in there as well. I like the obviously Grant Morrison bits best. I read it month by month and a lot of months, I was just like, I don't care about this AT ALL. I wouldn't mind reading the whole thing over a couple of days - I bet it's a lot more compelling that way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 16, 2010, 01:56:26 AM
Read all of Planet Hulk, following all of the Secret Invasion storyline.  Secret Invasion was definitely better. 

I didn't read Infinite Crisis or 52 either, so maybe that's next.   Also finally got through the first Freedom Fighters TPB.  It was better than the awful, awful Battle For Bludhaven, but was still a bit hard to finish. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on November 16, 2010, 10:48:59 AM
Read 52, skip Final Crisis and just read the wiki entry.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 16, 2010, 05:11:53 PM
I read Identity Crisis, it was pretty cool except at the end when everyone except Batman thinks that Captain Boomerang committed all the crimes. It doesn't take the world's great detective to figure out that Boomerang's bumbling home invasion was totally different than when Sue was killed. He doesn't even have any abilities other than being able to throw a freaking boomerang really good, for crissakes!

Then I read The OMAC Project & Superman: Sacrifice. OMAC was okay, I like seeing some Booster Gold + Blue Beetle action, even if Blue Beetle did get killed, which kinda sucked. I flipped through the new Blue Beetle comics at the comic store, and it looked kinda gay. Superman: Sacrifice was awesome in it's lawl-worthiness. Max Lord steals Superman's brain! :lol How powerful of a telepath is he that he can take over Superman's mind despite being hundreds of miles away, and having Superman know what's happening? And not even Martian Manhunter can stop him? WTF :lol Even Zatanna has to touch people's heads to erase their minds. But the real hilarity is when he uses his mind control to make Superman think that Lois is making out with Brainiac or that he's in a literal boxing match with Darkseid, complete with Lois ringside in some slavegirl/groupie getup. :lol Pretty amazing stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 16, 2010, 05:24:27 PM
Read 52, skip Final Crisis and just read the wiki entry.

boo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on November 17, 2010, 04:26:35 PM
 :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
(http://i53.tinypic.com/vx12xv.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 17, 2010, 04:48:31 PM
Batman's back in full-force now.

Batman, Inc. #1 and Batman: The Return (one shot) are out today.  That's a double dose of Morrison.  Cormac will be pleased.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 17, 2010, 06:48:20 PM
The Morrison-Bats schedule has been crazy recently - clearly Ryan Sook held up the whole show with Return of Bruce Wayne 5. Since then we've had a flood of pent-up stuff. And it's all been awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 17, 2010, 07:31:39 PM
I didn't like#6, but Returns #1-5 were fun reads.  Hated the ending, but I was there for the whole Batman throughout various periods thing anyway. 

So now there's gonna be a whole bunch of Bat books.  I think it's two-three comics with Dick as Batman and two with Bruce.  Not sure what I am going to start/stick with.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 17, 2010, 07:38:43 PM
I seriously doubt the 2 books written by artists are going to be any good (Batman and Dark Knight). Batman Inc should be great, Detective should be great with Scott Snyder (American Vampire has been great) and Jock and BaR might be ok but I don't have high hopes. Otherwise, Batwoman is a must cause of JH Williams III. Everything else is eminently missable, I'd say.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on November 17, 2010, 07:41:41 PM
Morrison is no longer writing BaR? what is he writing besides Batman Inc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 17, 2010, 07:46:09 PM
Nothing in the Batverse that I know of. Paul Cornell is doing a 3 issue arc on BaR, then Peter Tomasi is taking over. I've liked Paul Cornell generally but Knight and Squire was pretty weak, so not wildly excited. Peter Tomasi has done one thing of quality that I know of (The Mighty).

Presumably Morrison is working on the Multiversity project for next summer and so forth. Very little has been announced beyond Batman Inc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on November 17, 2010, 08:15:55 PM
I completely forgot about Multiversity it was supposed to come out this year! something else that I was looking forward but never came out is League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Century vol II :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 17, 2010, 10:12:13 PM
Multiversity has been scaled back quite a bit as well, by the sound of it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on November 18, 2010, 02:39:19 AM
IDW's D&D comic from John Rogers (creator of Leverage) is excellent.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Vizzys on December 08, 2010, 10:02:46 PM
I just finished reading No Hero

and I think need to stop reading things with twist endings

spoiler (click to show/hide)
also the main character tore out another guys spine and put it where his penis was
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 15, 2010, 11:51:37 AM
So Morrison takes Catwoman to Tokyo...and she ends up wrapped in tentacles.

:facepalm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 15, 2010, 02:03:31 PM
Downloading now :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2010, 11:02:02 PM
So I'm reading Countdown to Final Crisis and yeah it pretty much sucks like everyone said, but then OMG!

(http://i.imgur.com/0efeG.jpg)

The look on Superman's face makes the entire series. :lol  :lol :lol

Then later Jimmy makes it with a freaky alien babe! (with a little something-something for ladies!)

(http://i.imgur.com/78a5i.jpg)

Then you've got Black Mary Marvel going pycho-bitch on everyone, some semi-sapphic scenes with Holly Robinson and Harley Quinn in togas, and gay jokes at the expense of The Trickster (portrayed below by Mark Hamill).

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Prank_and_Trickster.jpg)

(Oh sorry, that's actually the straight man of the group, it's Pied Piper that's gay.)

How can you hate this series?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 16, 2010, 09:18:00 PM
Superman Earth One is amazing

:bow JMS :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 18, 2010, 07:54:15 AM
also posted in the WDYB thread but probably more relevant here:


This showed up from amazon today:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61Oe4medIHL._SS400_.jpg)

100 covers from DC's 75 year history. It is the classic YMMV product but there are about 15-20 in there that I'd happily put on my wall. So I went to my local crafts shop and got some cheap-ass frames, all half-price. I cut some cheap card to fit and just pasted the covers on top. It's utterly ghetto but that says 'comics' to me a lot more than expensive reproductions under glass, in a way. Big, garish cheap and disposable!

Here's the 3 I settled on (to begin with - the shop only had 3 frames!). Top is Animal Man #5, the classic 'The Coyote Gospel', which is a 4th wall-breaking exercise in existential terror based on the Roadrunner cartoon. One of the best single issue comics of the period. Cover by Brian Bolland, who does very little interior work but who is probably best known for The Killing Joke with Alan Moore. Written by Grant Morrison of course.

On the bottom left is Batman Year 100 #1, by writer/artist Paul Pope. I fucking love his art, it's just savage and lush and sexy. His Batman is genuinely weird and terrifying but very human at the same time.

On the bottom right is Ronin #1 by Frank Miller, which may be the first comic I can remember reading that really broadened my appreciation of the medium. This came out when I was about 12 yrs old and it was pretty mind-blowing, combining as it did elements from manga (Lone Wolf and Cub/Shogun Assasin, Akira etc) with European Heavy Metal-type artists like Moebius along with Frank's own post-Kirby superhero madness. It doesn't quite come together the way his later work did, but it is probably the most interesting thing he has ever done, for its ambition if nothing else. I have the Absolute edition, and I'm SERIOUSLY considering cutting it up to frame it as well. Such a beautiful book.

(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5250/5271114346_2226a6c965_o.jpg)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 18, 2010, 10:32:24 PM
from the Buy thread -

Whole bunch of comics-related stuff has showed up from amazon, part of my yearly Xmas binge shopping:

SOLO by Brendan McCarthy:
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/05/de/8ab3793509a0864732496110.L.jpg)

Just insane psychedelic art.

Prison Pit #1-2 by Johnny Ryan (#2 pictured):
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51RNRi3ugWL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

The INCAL Classic Collection by Jodorowsky and Moebius. This is one of 750 produced in English, at the original Euro size and coloring:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513ERqcw4AL._SS500_.jpg)

Green Lantern: Will World (for the incredible art by the late, great Seth Fisher. Only tangentially a GL story really. It reads much more like Little Nemo in Slumberland by Windsor McCay)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515S4A8YZ8L._SS500_.jpg)

Best of American Splendor by Harvey Pekar etc. Best toilet book ever! I love Harvey.
(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/14/24/60ebc060ada050c89cb3d110.L._AA300_.jpg)

Krazy & Ignatz 1927-1928: "Love Letters in Ancient Brick" (Krazy Kat)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51X5jZyNFjL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Powr Mastrs #1-3 by CF. (#3 pictured below) One of the strangest comics ever published, and a book of the year candidate.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41aEozXkePL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Hellboy - Library Collection #1-3 (only 1 pictured below). These share the production values of DC's Absolutes, but are far cheaper for some reason. No slipcase but almost the same size and done on beautiful paper. The Mike Mignola art is a revelation at that size.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41OpnOMLgtL._BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01_.jpg)

Duncan the Wonder Dog by Adam Hines - 800pgs of an alternate history in which animals can talk.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GFkkXMKBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

If n'Off by Brian Chippendale
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/610t%2BHh1p9L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Grant Morrison: Talking with Gods (DVD documentary)
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51b75SiNY2L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

and finally: Absolute All Star Superman
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41781uOL8mL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Don't even ASK what all of this cost. It isn't pretty.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 21, 2010, 05:52:24 PM
(http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/345/evangelworldorderemocom.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 21, 2010, 10:29:36 PM
Been reading some Power Girl: A New Beginning [also have Aliens and Apes to read after this] and it's really good. Power Girl's basically Superman but actually interesting as a character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 22, 2010, 01:13:59 AM
The INCAL Classic Collection by Jodorowsky and Moebius. This is one of 750 produced in English, at the original Euro size and coloring:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513ERqcw4AL._SS500_.jpg)

ARGH why didn't you tell me this was coming out

I bought this in Paris the last time I was there and actually high school Frenched my way through both volumes

it's awesome but I would love the official English
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2010, 01:34:15 AM
Sorry dude :(

I didn't actually know about it until a few weeks ago, and impulse pre-ordered. It's $100 though, in case that eases your pain at not buying it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 22, 2010, 09:33:40 AM
Sorry dude :(

I didn't actually know about it until a few weeks ago, and impulse pre-ordered. It's $100 though, in case that eases your pain at not buying it.

"ease my pain"? the moment I saw this thread I placed an order on Amazon, just in case it ever comes back in stock :(

I'm sure I'll track one down eventually :)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on December 22, 2010, 03:09:36 PM
I got the Walking Dead hardcover for Sinterklaas, pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2010, 06:19:30 PM
Sorry dude :(

I didn't actually know about it until a few weeks ago, and impulse pre-ordered. It's $100 though, in case that eases your pain at not buying it.

"ease my pain"? the moment I saw this thread I placed an order on Amazon, just in case it ever comes back in stock :(

I'm sure I'll track one down eventually :)

Sorry, you made me look on amazon again and HOLY SHIT, the only re-seller on amazon is asking $799.99 for it. I never re-sell books but I would flip the CRAP out of it for that.

That would finance my plan to buy an original Brendan McCarthy canvas :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 29, 2010, 10:13:59 PM
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:D
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 29, 2010, 10:35:28 PM
Been reading some of Paul Dini's Jingle Belle in celebration of Christmas. :rock
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 30, 2010, 01:51:46 AM
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:D

aaand it's out of stock again. so thanks to Cormac for mentioning it earlier. Boritos never say die! When there's stuff to be bought, we will find a way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 30, 2010, 02:05:33 AM
awesome! :D
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 30, 2010, 02:08:26 AM
Just in case, you may want to get on this as well 'cause it will also be a very limited run:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QRzUHSOvL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1600108334/ref=wms_ohs_product
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 30, 2010, 02:36:34 AM
Just in case, you may want to get on this as well 'cause it will also be a very limited run:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51QRzUHSOvL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1600108334/ref=wms_ohs_product

Looks cool, but I already own this from last year: http://www.amazon.com/Rocketeer-Complete-Deluxe-Dave-Stevens/dp/1600105378/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 30, 2010, 03:04:24 AM
This is apparently wondrous to behold though. The original art at the original size. I'm double-dipping, and will probably cut a few pages out for my wall!

I bought that Brendan McCarthy canvas btw - will post pics when it arrives and I get it framed!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on January 03, 2011, 01:59:24 AM
That's a sumptuous series, and D.S. is a genuinely nice guy. I was working at a comic store during its original run, and he came by and signed stuff. I probably have a mylar bagged signed copy of #1 somewhere. And he introduced many comic fans to Betty Page, so we should all be extra thankful.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on January 04, 2011, 09:58:30 PM
I swung by Atlantis Fantasyworld in Santa Cruz, CA today. Picked up the following:
(http://i.imgur.com/X9iJz.jpg)

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, c. 1900
Alan Moore's Writing for Comics
McCloud's Understanding Comics
Vertigo First Cut (it was super cheap)
Kirkman's Invincible 3, 4, 5
Star Wars thing written by a friend from college
2 Authority TPBs I didn't have yet
All-Star Superman Vol. 2
Aetheric Mechanics
Chew (on Cormac's recommentdation)
Madman and the Atomics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on January 04, 2011, 10:05:53 PM
 Waiting for the new League of Extraordinary Gentlemen is such a torture :'(

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2011, 09:40:09 AM
derpa
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 07, 2011, 09:40:35 AM
http://bullyscomics.blogspot.com/2011/01/commissioner-gordon-is-jerk.html

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 07, 2011, 05:41:23 PM
http://bullyscomics.blogspot.com/2011/01/commissioner-gordon-is-jerk.html



I hope he was using his growly Batman voice so Gordon didn't recognize him!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on January 07, 2011, 06:12:12 PM
I lost The Invisibles 1-20 on ebay, someone bid 50 more cents in the last two seconds :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on January 13, 2011, 01:37:46 PM
Last night at Golden Apple Comics in LA:
(http://furiousfanboys.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Image-Founders.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on January 13, 2011, 02:59:26 PM
Are you the old asian dude or the blonde kid?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 01, 2011, 04:46:11 PM
what issue did supergirl get polio


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2ACTeWX6_Pk/TTjJjfJsSyI/AAAAAAAAAoc/JNMLqQhDkxg/s1600/Supergirl-%252360.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on February 01, 2011, 04:58:52 PM
I think the one where she got exposed to Blue Kryptonite

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7mLRGgZm-kQ/TIbSt5JbotI/AAAAAAAAAHI/vrcaiuXe1GQ/s1600/handicap_sign.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 01, 2011, 05:03:21 PM
What an awful cover :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 01, 2011, 05:09:44 PM
I think the one where she got exposed to Blue Kryptonite

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7mLRGgZm-kQ/TIbSt5JbotI/AAAAAAAAAHI/vrcaiuXe1GQ/s1600/handicap_sign.jpg)
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:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2011, 06:05:36 PM
what issue did supergirl get polio


(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_2ACTeWX6_Pk/TTjJjfJsSyI/AAAAAAAAAoc/JNMLqQhDkxg/s1600/Supergirl-%252360.png)

She's just super-sore after an evening of scissor-sistering with PowerGirl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 01, 2011, 06:14:43 PM
Speaking of Power Girl, I hope the Power Girl series never ends. They could just repeat the same stories over and over and I wouldn't care.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 01, 2011, 06:14:52 PM
Power Girl >>>>> Supergirl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 01, 2011, 07:36:33 PM
Yep.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 10, 2011, 03:26:47 PM
:drudge We3 Deluxe Edition :drudge

(http://www.dccomics.com/media/product/1/7/17721_400x600.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/We3-Deluxe-Grant-Morrison/dp/1401230679

http://www.dccomics.com/vertigo/graphic_novels/?gn=17721

This amazing hardcover features new story pages by Morrison and Quitely.

(10 pages)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 10, 2011, 04:15:41 PM
Awesome. I remember there was a rumor going around that it was going to be an Absolute Edition, but it's only like 100 pages long, so that doesn't really make sense. For 16 bucks though, I'll rebuy it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 10, 2011, 04:40:15 PM
:drool
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 10, 2011, 06:35:13 PM
I just rushed to amazon to check but I had already pre-ordered that on Jan. 23rd, before the cover image was released :lol

You guys know Flex Mentallo is coming as well, right? No date on that yet though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on February 13, 2011, 10:12:21 PM
over the last year I've been gingerly sticking my toe into the comics world, a hobby that I had not pursued since I was about 12 years old.  I got a treasure trove of great stuff from a going-out-of-business sale and I'll be working through a considerable backlog in time.  Before I get to all that stuff (lotsa Garth Ennis) I worked through the entire collection of 100 Bullets the library had on hand.

I started reading it because I liked another book from the same author (http://www.amazon.com/Filthy-Vertigo-Crime-Brian-Azzarello/dp/1401211844/ref=cm_lmf_tit_2).  I'm a sucker for good crime stories, and the initial premise was great.  And it was great, for the first couple of volumes it was a captivating read.  Then things got convoluted, then the B-stories started taking over the space for the A-stories, and then the initial, anthology style 'revengers dilemma' stuff just about disappeared entirely to make room for a full time and boring as hell story about some shifty and all powerful conspiracy.  If the plot was at all clear it wouldn't be as much of a problem, but this shit gets murkier then a mud bath.

100 Bullets was almost a series at war with itself.  The only interesting characters would be the ones who die almost immediately, and the ones that stick around are ciphers who are trying desperately to out-badass each other to the point that nobody has any personality besides 'Kill!'.

Oh yeah, and just like this post, the ending sucks too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 13, 2011, 11:22:17 PM
I love 100 bullets, gonna try and read it again this year :rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2011, 12:25:38 AM
Keep meaning to start it. I like Eduardo Risso a lot but not enough hours in the day.

I got a bunch of nice new stuff, should really take some pics. The Sin City vol. 2 box set is fucking amaaaazing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 14, 2011, 01:29:48 PM
Speaking of Power Girl, I hope the Power Girl series never ends. They could just repeat the same stories over and over and I wouldn't care.

I loved the first 12 issues, with Conner/Palmiotti/Gray, but with the new team from #13 on, it just hasn't done much to keep my attention.  The first few issues with the new team were good after I got used to the direction they went in, but I'm just not digging this Maxwell Lord resurrection thing.  I never read older JLA and OMAC stuff so it's not grabbing me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 14, 2011, 01:50:24 PM
Speaking of Power Girl, I hope the Power Girl series never ends. They could just repeat the same stories over and over and I wouldn't care.

I loved the first 12 issues, with Conner/Palmiotti/Gray, but with the new team from #13 on, it just hasn't done much to keep my attention.  The first few issues with the new team were good after I got used to the direction they went in, but I'm just not digging this Maxwell Lord resurrection thing.  I never read older JLA and OMAC stuff so it's not grabbing me.

Well that's disappointing. Conner, Palmiotti, and Grey did really well with the writing and art. Maybe it'll turn around soon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 17, 2011, 12:41:21 PM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 17, 2011, 02:29:16 PM
Speaking of Power Girl, I hope the Power Girl series never ends. They could just repeat the same stories over and over and I wouldn't care.

I loved the first 12 issues, with Conner/Palmiotti/Gray, but with the new team from #13 on, it just hasn't done much to keep my attention.  The first few issues with the new team were good after I got used to the direction they went in, but I'm just not digging this Maxwell Lord resurrection thing.  I never read older JLA and OMAC stuff so it's not grabbing me.

Well that's disappointing. Conner, Palmiotti, and Grey did really well with the writing and art. Maybe it'll turn around soon.

It will if they ever come back to it!   :lol  But right away with #13, the new creative team destroyed a lot of the stuff that the first twelve issues built.   :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 17, 2011, 04:03:03 PM
Speaking of Power Girl, I hope the Power Girl series never ends. They could just repeat the same stories over and over and I wouldn't care.

I loved the first 12 issues, with Conner/Palmiotti/Gray, but with the new team from #13 on, it just hasn't done much to keep my attention.  The first few issues with the new team were good after I got used to the direction they went in, but I'm just not digging this Maxwell Lord resurrection thing.  I never read older JLA and OMAC stuff so it's not grabbing me.

Well that's disappointing. Conner, Palmiotti, and Grey did really well with the writing and art. Maybe it'll turn around soon.

It will if they ever come back to it!   :lol  But right away with #13, the new creative team destroyed a lot of the stuff that the first twelve issues built.   :-\

I've got a friend who's been reading the issues as they're released and he says that Power Girl keeps getting mind-controlled over and over.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 17, 2011, 04:18:05 PM
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/40/4d51b4c8116e7/detail.jpg)

So fucking awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 17, 2011, 04:19:03 PM
Deadpool is totally the new Venom or Lobo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on February 18, 2011, 11:25:05 PM
Looks like Carnage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2011, 11:29:29 AM
Looks like a fanboy doodle on a Pee-Chee Folder.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 19, 2011, 07:08:39 PM
Looks like a fanboy doodle on a Pee-Chee Folder.

Don't hate on Skottie Young. And go buy his Oz books for your kids, they'll love 'em.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 19, 2011, 10:55:19 PM
The new What If? is great.

Peter Parker falling to his death: "Save me Lord Mephisto!"

"Behold - Galactus is the baby daddy!"

Venompool killing Thor in a bathroom stall while yelling "There can only be one Highlander!"



Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on February 19, 2011, 11:47:05 PM
I hate comics and I might actually go out and get that. Sounds awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 20, 2011, 12:07:27 AM
Venompool makes an olestra joke. :rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 25, 2011, 07:03:04 AM
Just finished the first two volumes of Sleeper. Fantastic! Thanks, Cormacaroni.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 11, 2011, 05:40:25 PM
Flashpoint

:bow Johns :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 11, 2011, 06:25:54 PM
Flashpoint

:bow Johns :bow2

Q: What if... Hal Jordan never got the Green Lantern ring?
A: Geoff Johns would still have such a hard-on for him that he gets a 3-issue mini.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 13, 2011, 09:49:09 AM
Re-reading some Sandman, since Cormacaroni sent me a heap of them. It holds up surprisingly well.

Also finished Allred's The Atomics. Started off dry and stilted, but I was into it by the end of the first hardcover. It's charming. A twee comic about superheroes with trans-species sex, murder, acne, and heart-torn teenagers.

Also enjoyed a couple more TPBs of The Authority, my first not by Uncle Warren. Transfer of Power (#22-29) and Harsh Realities (vol. 2, issues #0-5). It was OK, but I think I'm done. I'll re-read Ellis' stuff if I want more. It felt like the other guys were aping the form.

I've read the first five TPBs of Invincible as well. Nothing as surprising as the first major plot twist, which is more the central pillar on which the story's built, but the way Kirkman plays with comic tropes while maintaining some nods to believable human behavior is quite skillful. The art's great, too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 15, 2011, 09:50:54 PM
Flashpoint

:bow Johns :bow2

I thought this was terrible, myself, and I read it for free. I *do not* understand Johns' popularity. He is utterly, utterly dull and mediocre.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 18, 2011, 11:51:55 AM
Been readin' mah funny books:

(http://i.imgur.com/Dd8zS.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Mqdnm.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 18, 2011, 04:39:53 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/gjDmG.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/inLFQ.jpg)

Just awful, dreadful stuff. Why did I even buy this, I hate Kyle Rayner? Worst Green Lantern ever. The only part that was worthwhile was some crazy stuff with Kyle getting sucked into The Bleed and Tangent Universe versions of Flash, Green Lantern, and Atom showing up for pretty much no reason whatsoever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2011, 05:19:35 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/5143y3crBDL..jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JR4jdB8IL.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/xZxex.jpg)

I like Booster Gold, but this series is really starting to drag. The new Doom Patrol is meh. I enjoy The Outsiders, though. And I know it's serious business, but I did lawl a bit when they teamed up with John Walsh to take on a child kidnapping ring.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 19, 2011, 07:59:07 PM
Wait, when did Doom Patrol come back?  :o ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 19, 2011, 08:05:09 PM
It was right before Blackest Night (one of the first issues is a BN crossover) but it's already been cancelled again, though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2011, 04:39:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UlhkJ.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/kV9NP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dW6Rn.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/VUrnJ.jpg)

I like Judd Winick's Outsiders better than Geoff John's Teen Titans, but they're both pretty good.


Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 20, 2011, 07:22:01 PM
we need some kind of comic intervention for Joe. Bros don't let bros read this stuff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 20, 2011, 08:08:23 PM
It's all part of my master plan to completely entrench myself in DC Universe mythology. I'm making good progress, I've burned through over 100 TPBs in the past 6 months.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2011, 05:01:22 PM
Okay, is this better?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61YI1JL1UOL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/614EnKE76fL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0N56a.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61UCH9JQdYL.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2011, 09:00:15 PM
:rock

<3 Seven Soldiers

Check out the annotations at Barbelith for your inevitable re-read:

http://www.barbelith.com/faq/index.php/Seven_Soldiers_Annotations
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 22, 2011, 01:50:28 AM
Grant Morrison's Animal Man is next on my reading list.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2011, 05:10:20 PM
Amazon sent me this today:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51HQZGBb0nL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61xd84y2wGL.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 24, 2011, 03:36:18 PM
:rock

<3 Seven Soldiers

Check out the annotations at Barbelith for your inevitable re-read:

http://www.barbelith.com/faq/index.php/Seven_Soldiers_Annotations

:bow SEVEN SOLIDERS :bow2

:bow the DC universe achieves sentience :bow2

Morrison's most underrated series by far

Really need to load these up on Ye Olde Aye Padde and give it the reread it deserves
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2011, 08:51:46 PM
Check out http://andrewhickey.info/  for a really interesting take on the series (he's actually planning on releasing it as a book on Kindle if you prefer that). The site is failing to load for me right now, but it's definitely worth a look. Not your usual 'And that guy standing behind Power Girl is Stripesy, the ORIGINAL from 1942 and the son of oh god shoot me' type annotations...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2011, 05:53:58 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lGY2K.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Kcbsg.jpg)

Okay, enough talking about good comics, back to my regularly scheduled superhero junk food. Superboy died and it's sad...oh wait, he's back in Final Crisis, who cares? Superboy sucks anyway, even if he does get to nail Wonder Girl's fine amazonian ass. Also Raven and Beast Boy kiss, gotta go find some fanart of this STAT. :drool Grace and Thunder lezz it up a bit in this volume of The Outsiders while the team fight Africans and gorillas, read into that what you will. I read into it only AWESOMENESS. :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 31, 2011, 05:54:59 PM
Well, it's confirmed. All DC comics will be rebooted with #1 issues in September.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/31/dc-comics-comics-relaunch-digital/

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The entire DC Comics line of comic books will be re-launched with new #1 issues and feature "younger" and cosmetically redesigned versions of the heroes of the DC Universe. Written by Geoff Johns and illustrated by Jim Lee, Justice League will be the first of the more than 50 titles to debut in September, each of which will go on sale with same day digital releases via DC's various mobile applications and Web store. The initiative is designed explicitly to make the DC Universe more palatable for new readers and, in the words of DC Comics Co-Publisher Dan DiDio, "today's audience."

Batman, Superman, Green Lantern, The Flash, Wonder Woman and Aquaman are among the DC Comics characters who will be "injected with new life," according to Dan DiDio, who spoke with USA Today.

In September, more than 50 more first issues will debut, introducing readers to stories that are grounded in each character's specific legend but also reflect today's real-world themes and events. Lee spearheaded the redesign of more than 50 costumes to make characters more identifiable and accessible to comic fans new and old.

"We looked at what was going on in the marketplace and felt we really want to inject new life in our characters and line," says Dan DiDio, who co-publishes DC with Lee. "This was a chance to start, not at the beginning, but at a point where our characters are younger and the stories are being told for today's audience."

DiDio's remarks would seem to indicate that existing DC readers are going to see major changes in the status quo and continuities of their favorite characters and titles. Among the major events that have informed various characters' modern histories include the death of Superman; Clark Kent's marriage to Lois Lane; the death of the second Robin, Jason Todd; the activities of Damian Wayne, the son of Batman and Talia al Ghul; Crisis on Infinite Earths, Infinite Crisis and 52, the stories that defined the nature of the DC Multiverse itself; the crippling of Barbara Gordon, the original Batgirl; the defeat of Batman at the hands of Bane, resulting in the installation of the homicidal Jean-Paul Valley as Batman; the fall and redemption of Green Lantern Hal Jordan; The Sinestro Corps War, Blackest Night and the rest of the Green Lantern "emotional spectrum" mythology; Final Crisis and the journey of Bruce Wayne across time; the emergence of Batwoman Kate Kane; and the consolidation and reconciliation of dozens of characters from the Golden Age of DC Comics and their descendants, as depicted in books like JSA, Justice Society of America and Starman.

A DC spokesperson declined to comment on questions of continuity or the fate of Grant Morrison's Batman comics at this time and directed ComicsAlliance to The Source blog post.

USA Today suggests that DC's intentions are at least in part a response to the success of Marvel Comics, whose market share has eclipsed DC's every year since 2002, and that Lee, Johns and DiDio consider the plan integral to the company's continued existence in the publishing market.

"We're trying to set the table for the DC Universe's future success and health," said Lee.

UPDATE

DC Entertainment's Senior Vice President of Sales, Bob Wayne, issued a letter to retailers addressing the announcement. While no prices were discussed for the new books or their digital counterparts, Wayne addressed the question of narrative continuity:

We have taken great care in maintaining continuity where most important, but fans will see a new approach to our storytelling. Some of the characters will have new origins, while others will undergo minor changes.

More on this as it develops.

Expect Superman to no longer come from Krypton and not be Clark Kent anymore.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 08:32:39 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. Most likely it'll be a bunch of superficial bullshit and it'll all be safely renumbered (oh god the renumbering will be EPIC) and retconned inside of a year or so. Flashpoint #1 was so dull I find it hard to care. Real talk, Geoff Johns is just not a good writer and nothing he does will ever be good.

I like that they're doing SOMETHING though. And day and date digital for everything is the only sane policy going forward, although they really need to work on pricing it better and getting subscriptions in place.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 31, 2011, 08:35:30 PM
Johns and Lee are making some major Superman announcement June 11th at a Richard Donner-hosted screening of Superman 1 and 2.

They're changing Superman a lot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 08:43:10 PM
Wired: 50 #1 issues in September 2011
Tired: 50 #5 issues January 2012
Expired: 17 #13 issues in September 2011
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 31, 2011, 08:51:20 PM
DC Universe: Monetary Crisis
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 09:22:01 PM
Superman reboots represent about half of the Superman stories in the past 3 decades, I think (mostly cause they seem to take 10-12 issues to tell). Johns just got done rebooting Superman himself a year or so back :lol

But still....why not? What they're doing right now certainly isn't bringing in new readers.

This made me realize that the only mainstream DCU books I give a crap about are whichever Batman Morrison is writing, and to a lesser extent Detective (Snyder, Jock and Francavilla are all killing it). It would be very annoying to have Morrison's 5 year storyline disrupted by this but he has a history of nimbly writing around this crap so I doubt it will disturb things too much.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 09:29:56 PM
This made me realize that the only mainstream DCU books I give a crap about are whichever Batman Morrison is writing, and to a lesser extent Detective (Snyder, Jock and Francavilla are all killing it). It would be very annoying to have Morrison's 5 year storyline disrupted by this but he has a history of nimbly writing around this crap so I doubt it will disturb things too much.

yes, the best things to happen to Batman in the past 20 years are Grayson-Bats, Damian Wayne (MUCH to my surprise) and Batman Inc. would be a shame to throw that all under the bus just now ...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 10:10:30 PM
Damian is a fantastic character, although he was written so badly in the post-Morrison Batman & Robin that I stopped even reading it in scans. He's not just a bratty 10 year old. He's an evil ninja snob genius trying desperately to be Batman who just happens to be stuck in an annoyingly tiny and puny body.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 10:13:24 PM
Rumor mill is suggesting that Morrison will be writing Wonder Woman and / or the Flash after the reboot. Not very enthusiastic about that but will check it out of course. Would much rather see Morrison unleashed on the New Gods or something where he can really tear shit up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 10:20:56 PM
Rumor mill is suggesting that Morrison will be writing Wonder Woman and / or the Flash after the reboot. Not very enthusiastic about that but will check it out of course. Would much rather see Morrison unleashed on the New Gods or something where he can really tear shit up.

still bitter Bruce Wayne didn't get to return as the first New God of the Fifth World >:(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 10:25:23 PM
i haven't given up hope on that one. Multiversity Is Coming!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 10:26:47 PM
Morrison on Wonder Woman is like Kirby on Jimmy Olsen
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 10:36:07 PM
...you're right I'm sure. But he has been saying for years that he wants to explore the weird fetishist side of the character in some modern way, though I really can't imagine how that could be done without being totally creepy and keep any semblance of a strong character. Not that there aren't strong lesbians into bondage out there in the real world. It's just going to be tricky to work that into a storyline that involves punching supervillains.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 10:41:06 PM
if Cameron Stewart has time to dick around drawing the Suicide Girls comic, then he can damn well draw Wonder Woman for Morrison!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 31, 2011, 10:43:18 PM
We interrupt this sensible comics discussion to make fun of Cyborg being part of the new Justice League:

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/05/jimleedcuredesignfull.jpg)

As you were.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 10:51:08 PM
it's actually a shape-shifted Martian Manhunter. Psyche!

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 10:54:44 PM
alright time for some Real Talk

Y'all need to be reading this:
(http://vice.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c625053ef0115711a9abf970c-450wi)

The NEW reprints by Fantagraphics. Accept no substitutes. Hal Foster draws better-rendered muscled pretty boys than Jim Lee, REAL TALK. And he can do feet!

Also, the most amazing book on a comics artist I've seen:

(http://media.ideaanddesignworks.com/idw/covers/solicitations/2011/04_april/Genius_Isolated_AlexToth_cover.jpg)




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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 31, 2011, 10:59:31 PM
I want Fantagraphic's new Mickey Mouse book:

(http://i.imgur.com/zH8oP.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 31, 2011, 11:14:22 PM
Looking forward to their reprints of the Carl Barks duck stuff too. Never really read any of that stuff so it will all be new to me. We are in the Golden Age of Reprints. :bow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mandark on June 01, 2011, 12:04:52 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NFb36LVHL._SS500_.jpg)

Reminds me a lot of Fables, in that both authors borrow really heavily from Neil Gaiman's fiction-reality blurring schtick, but tend to tell more conventional stories with more explicitly defined rules.

It's a good read so far, and there are two awesome stunt included in the first three volumes that I don't want to spoil.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 01, 2011, 12:21:01 AM
If you're ever in Seattle, definitely check out the Fantagraphics store. Realllly coool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 01, 2011, 11:28:28 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51NFb36LVHL._SS500_.jpg)

Reminds me a lot of Fables, in that both authors borrow really heavily from Neil Gaiman's fiction-reality blurring schtick, but tend to tell more conventional stories with more explicitly defined rules.

It's a good read so far, and there are two awesome stunt included in the first three volumes that I don't want to spoil.

Is it a monthly, or some kind of quarterly/limited thing?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 12:12:13 PM
monthly

I keep meaning to start reading this but i have a feeling it's gonna get cancelled any month now and never get finished.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on June 01, 2011, 12:33:30 PM
Want see the Japanese take on Marvel's BLADE?

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you don't want to see the Japanese take on Marvel's Blade
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http://www.animax.co.jp/marvelanime/blade/

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Hair is difficult to draw; like HD towns
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on June 01, 2011, 02:06:11 PM
The Unwritten is cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 01, 2011, 02:23:28 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/01/dc-comics-reboot/

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In an interview with USA Today, Dan DiDio stated that while roughly three-quarters of titles will see a creative team switch-up, one quarter -- the books that are working -- won't be touched by the reboot.

There's no conceivable reason to mess with high-selling moneymakers like Batman Incorporated, Green Lantern, Batman: The Dark Knight and, well, other Batman titles, and to do so would be a huge mistake, especially since Grant Morrison's major Leviathan uber-arc is, alongside Geoff Johns's Green Lantern, the only major DC title with ongoing stories continuing past August.

:rock Batman Inc. :rock

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 07:39:32 PM
Nightwing #1 on the way :gloomy. Guess the world needs another 2nd rate Spider-man. Oh well, I enjoyed the steady diet of Dick while it lasted.

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To quote Bill Simmons' podcast intro: It might be cool, I dunno. And if it's not...I don't care
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 01, 2011, 08:13:52 PM
Nightwing #1 on the way :gloomy. Guess the world needs another 2nd rate Spider-man. Oh well, I enjoyed the steady diet of Dick while it lasted.

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To quote Bill Simmons' podcast intro: It might be cool, I dunno. And if it's not...I don't care
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This is how I feel about the DC Universe relaunch:

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(http://i51.tinypic.com/33nvl9i.gif)
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Also, please add that as :comics

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Superman and Batman Spend the Night Together (http://the-isb.blogspot.com/2005_11_01_archive.html)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2011, 08:25:10 PM
Comic fans will hate the reboot, non-comic fans won't care.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 08:34:08 PM
Comic fans will hate the reboot, non-comic fans won't care.

I daresay that there will be a couple of good-to-decent books in there that will be worth a look. But the thing to remember is that the actual talent pool isn't changing, from what we've heard. It really is just shuffling the deckchairs on the Titanic in that regard. So if you like a lot of DC books now, you'll probably like a lot of DC books in September, and so forth.

Also, :teehee
http://mindlessones.com/2011/06/01/flashpoint-1-the-face-immolation/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 01, 2011, 08:58:36 PM
I REALLY hope the plot of Batman Inc. is "Bruce Wayne was so irritated by Geoff Johns' Flashpoint that he built a machine to keep it from affecting him." because Batman, that's why
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 01, 2011, 09:27:51 PM
I saw a theory that those 2 inexplicably red panels in Batman Inc 5 are Flashpoint happening :lol

The beauty of Morrison's 'everything is in continuity' concept (i.e. hypertime) is that he can just say 'Sure, that happened. In that timeline over here which is just a tiny part of the stage available for MY story'. In other words, as Joker said to Batman in R.I.P.:

'but it doesn't matter see? because every single time I try to think outside his toy box...he builds a new box around me'

In his story, Batman is the Hyper-Adapter, all continuity is Batman, the entire endpoint of space and time itself IS Batman.

Good luck trying to box THAT into your continuity, Johns.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2011, 12:09:14 AM
:bow Morrison :bow2

I miss Doom Patrol. When I get my comics out of storage in the USA, I will re-read them all.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 02, 2011, 01:13:43 AM
have you not read anything recent, Chrono? At the very least you need to read All Star Superman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 02, 2011, 07:48:14 AM
I want Fantagraphic's new Mickey Mouse book:

(http://i.imgur.com/zH8oP.jpg)

I just got it in the mail yesterday.  It's pretty good but i've only gone through 40 pages of actual comics.  the bio / essays are top notch to give great contextualization and info on the artist.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 02, 2011, 11:50:17 AM
I just got Black Jack Vol 14, only 3 more volumes to go! though it's flown rather under the radar, this has been a pretty impressive years-long effort to get EVERY story of one of Osamu Tezuka's best series in English
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 04, 2011, 05:37:26 AM
have you not read anything recent, Chrono? At the very least you need to read All Star Superman

I've read that, since I picked up the 2nd TPB in January. It was really good. Superb.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 04, 2011, 01:06:29 PM
The best news out of this whole DC mess of announcements is that Morrison is supposedly to write Superman as an ongoing from September. I guess I'm looking forward to it but it's hard to imagine it'll improve on All Star. And unless they get like Moebius or somebody, any artist will be a big step down from Quitely. Personally, I think he should probably just walk away from Superman unless he's going to do something radically different from ASS.
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Post by: chronovore on June 04, 2011, 01:32:11 PM
"ASS" :teehee

Yeah, it will probably still be good, though the completeness of All-Star is really a testament to Morrison's actual flexibility. There are some Really Weird items in there, but they're not the focus of it, like in DOOM PATROL. He really writes to the spirit of Superman, makes him likable.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on June 05, 2011, 09:46:16 AM
The best news out of this whole DC mess of announcements is that Morrison is supposedly to write Superman as an ongoing from September. I guess I'm looking forward to it but it's hard to imagine it'll improve on All Star. And unless they get like Moebius or somebody, any artist will be a big step down from Quitely. Personally, I think he should probably just walk away from Superman unless he's going to do something radically different from ASS.

No the best news is that the $3.99 books are moving to $2.99 and the $2.99 books will be $1.99.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2011, 09:49:53 AM
buh? DC has been 'holding the line' at 2.99 for print for some time now, no? My understanding is that digital will have the same pricing but will drop a dollar after a month.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 05, 2011, 09:58:29 AM
buh? DC has been 'holding the line' at 2.99 for print for some time now, no? My understanding is that digital will have the same pricing but will drop a dollar after a month.

Well, they told retailers that. But they could have the head up their ass because that letter that they said they sent to retailers actually didn't go out until like three days after they hyped it up. I'm not sure their retail side of things knows what's going on because of the focus to the day and date digital.

It's also annoying because they keep talking to the press about all the new #1s, but the solicits aren't out for any of the new DC stuff until next month's Previews so comic shops are stuck without information for the time being when people want to know stuff.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2011, 11:06:44 AM
2.99 for print and digital is exactly what they have right now (with the drop to 1.99 later for digital). So the press release saying exactly that didn't surprise me in the least.

A genuine dollar price cut across the board for new stuff WOULD be huge news, for sure. But I haven't heard this from any other source, and I've been following this pretty closely (I don't really care about DC's new line up much but I DO care about digital comics a lot so I'm fascinated by all this...)
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Post by: ManaByte on June 05, 2011, 12:13:07 PM
They ARE doing a combo pack for Justice League for $3.99 that gives you a code in the polybag for the digital version when you buy the physical.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 05, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
They ARE doing a combo pack for Justice League for $3.99 that gives you a code in the polybag for the digital version when you buy the physical.

Saw that, but not sure how that results in a $1.99 price point. Do you think you will be able to sell that code for $1.99 or something?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on June 22, 2011, 12:59:26 AM
Marvel killed Ultimate Spider-Man, and NO ONE GIVES A FUCK. :lol

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/UltimateSpider-Man_160_DeathofSpider-Man.jpg)

(http://reelsportsnotes.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/death_of_superman.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on June 22, 2011, 02:52:11 AM
I remember when Ultimate Spider-Man started, it enjoyed what I read of it.

And the reason nobody cares is that since Superman died we got an endless supply of death and resurrection in the comic medium, it got old really fast.

Nobody cares because nobody reads the Ultimate line. No one.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 22, 2011, 07:50:22 AM
I remember when Ultimate Spider-Man started, it enjoyed what I read of it.

And the reason nobody cares is that since Superman died we got an endless supply of death and resurrection in the comic medium, it got old really fast.

Doesn't Phoenix pre-date that by heaps? What was the first mainstream death/resurrection, I wonder...
*checks*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comic_book_death
Yeah, apparently Jean Grey was first...? At least among the high profile, "announced, to sell comics" variety.



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Such beings may also have access to some afterlife where the soul of the character fled after dying (such as fictional variations of Heaven or Hell)
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(such as fictional variations of Heaven or Hell)
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(such as fictional variations of Heaven or Hell)

:lol :lol :lol
Sorry, what? I'm amused by the use of the word "fictional" here.
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Post by: chronovore on June 25, 2011, 08:02:16 PM
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln7lock9Wp1qc2f84o1_400.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 25, 2011, 11:12:04 PM
(http://pics.livejournal.com/allah_sulu/pic/004g2z69)
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Post by: cool breeze on June 26, 2011, 07:04:31 PM
I haven't been following this DC reboot thing, but I just saw this picture:

(http://i.imgur.com/uJyu4.jpg)

so, is this some riff on Toy Story where action figures come alive? or are they all robots?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2011, 07:40:53 PM
Yeah, the DC house style seems to be resetting to mid-90's Image. Meh. There are a handful of interesting-looking books coming out of the reboot though. Nothing world-changing, most likely. I applaud them for offering it all digital on same day as print though, they beat Marvel to the punch on that for sure.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on June 26, 2011, 08:49:15 PM
Is DC retconning all the stuff they've done with Batman recently?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2011, 10:17:08 PM
no...some of it is getting changed but Grant Morrison's book will continue (and be 'in continuity'). The other stuff I don't care about really. There will be 3 good Bat-books for sure -

Batman Inc (vol. 2 coming next year)
Batman by Scott Snyder
Batwoman by JH Williams/Amy Reeder

...and a bunch of other stuff by the usual hacks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 26, 2011, 10:48:36 PM
What's the big deal about Ultimate Spidey dying?  Marvel deaths are meaningless after Bucky got resurrected and Cap came back a few years after being shot in the head.  Also, it's not even in the main Universe. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2011, 10:52:46 PM
What's the big deal about Ultimate Spidey dying?  Marvel deaths are meaningless after Bucky got resurrected and Cap came back a few years after being shot in the head.  Also, it's not even in the main Universe. 

None of this stuff matters or means anything. It was a pretty good little story though. It allows them to end the series in a satisfying way, rather than just have bad shit happen ad infinitum to the main character without any serious, ongoing consequence. It thus adds a bit of spice to all future stories in that universe. 'Hey...this threat is real! The character might die and go away like Spidey!'

The line is dying anyway so I suspect it won't be reversed any time soon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Smooth Groove on June 26, 2011, 10:53:53 PM
The book is ending?  I read somewhere that Marvel was using Parker's death to introduce a new Ultimate Spiderman. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2011, 11:13:37 PM
well, it may continue with a new set of characters but for all intents and purposes *that* book has ended I think.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 29, 2011, 07:58:55 PM
So...anyway, I just saw this.

(http://i.imgur.com/wGjxU.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 29, 2011, 10:05:31 PM
Started reading Beasts of Burden and it is AWESOME.

neighborhood dogs (and one stray cat) basically live on the Hellmouth which causes all kinds of freaky shit to happen in their suburb.

written by the amazing Evan Dorkin with some very very good painted pages by Jill Thompson this is absolutely worth your time

You can check out a preview here
http://www.darkhorse.com/Comics/Previews/13-834?page=0
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2011, 12:43:55 PM
There is a ton of good-to-great Vertigo stuff on sale on comixology for 99 cents a pop right now. The sale lasts another couple of days. Most of it is back catalog stuff like Preacher and Sandman, but there is some great new stuff as well that is very much worth checking out at that price -  American Vampire, Sweet Tooth, The Unwritten...I spent about $40!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2011, 05:10:27 PM
Reading Booster Gold and Generation Lost has got me pumped for some JLI. I bought JLI Volumes 1-4 and Formerly Known as Justice League/I Can't Believe It's Not Justice League.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 02, 2011, 06:18:58 PM
Museum of Comic and Cartoon Art in NYC is having an exhibit on Will Eisner.  One of the sections is artists with their art talking about the influence of Eisner.  Included is Kubert's Superman Vs Ali original cover art.  1) it's huge.  2) it's far more detailed than even the recent special edition allows you to see.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/336274960.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1309645819&Signature=DDQ6kyHajj%2FdUSdltXNe33OedhU%3D)

Hidden among the artists and writers of DC and various other celeb's (like the Sweat Hogs, The Jackson 5, Stevie Wonder) I found Plastic Man, The Metal Men and Billy Batson.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/336277089.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1309646082&Signature=vnnzV1fd6nKRlqSK%2FOvStfoQQ5U%3D)

I tried to nerd out about that to the guy working the desk at MoCCA but he didn't know what the fuck I was going on about so I stopped trying.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2011, 11:19:12 PM
I tried to nerd out about that to the guy working the desk at MoCCA but he didn't know what the fuck I was going on about so I stopped trying.

:lol

That sounds pretty awesome.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 02, 2011, 11:58:39 PM
Museum of Comic and Cartoon Art in NYC is having an exhibit on Will Eisner.  One of the sections is artists with their art talking about the influence of Eisner.  Included is Kubert's Superman Vs Ali original cover art.  1) it's huge.  2) it's far more detailed than even the recent special edition allows you to see.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/full/336274960.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1309645819&Signature=DDQ6kyHajj%2FdUSdltXNe33OedhU%3D)

Hidden among the artists and writers of DC and various other celeb's (like the Sweat Hogs, The Jackson 5, Stevie Wonder) I found Plastic Man, The Metal Men and Billy Batson.

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/336277089.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJF3XCCKACR3QDMOA&Expires=1309646082&Signature=vnnzV1fd6nKRlqSK%2FOvStfoQQ5U%3D)

I tried to nerd out about that to the guy working the desk at MoCCA but he didn't know what the fuck I was going on about so I stopped trying.

Kubert? Not Neal Adams?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 03, 2011, 07:05:21 AM
You're right.  I had no idea why I said Kubert!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 07, 2011, 06:08:42 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/06/30/dc-comics-fans-protest-relaunch-comic-con/

WHO WILL STAND AND BE COUNTED WITH ME
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2011, 08:47:48 PM
I will be with you in spirit.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2011, 09:03:45 PM
I guess they just like spending their precious free time drumming up free publicity for mega corporations!
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Post by: ManaByte on July 07, 2011, 09:14:11 PM
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So Sony re-boots Spider Man after 3 films in 7 years, Fox reboots X-Men inside a decade but people will protest DC rebooting after 60 years?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://twitter.com/#!/robertliefeld/status/86520615770669057
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 07, 2011, 11:07:38 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 07, 2011, 11:23:29 PM
i'd imagine the protesters care precisely because it has gone 60 years without a reboot, which gives it some weight or meaning in their minds that I cannot for the life of me manage to give a fuck about
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2011, 12:14:31 AM
http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/and-not-a-single-fuck-was-given-that-day--3
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on July 08, 2011, 12:16:02 AM
i'd imagine the protesters care precisely because it has gone 60 years without a reboot, which gives it some weight or meaning in their minds that I cannot for the life of me manage to give a fuck about

And it isn't even really a reboot. Some things changed, true, but the only thing different with this versus a post-Crisis situation is that the books are starting at issue #1.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 12, 2011, 11:40:34 AM
I picked up and read Superman: Black Ring Vol. 1 (Action Comics starring Lex Luthor). I liked it, it's cute. I can't decide who I want to be mai waifu, Death or Robot Lois Lane.  :heart
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Sho Nuff on July 17, 2011, 03:23:35 AM
My #1 summer jam = the Conan books by Busiek/Mignola/Nord.

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-D_aSJjCc5FI/TeWJHjb6TmI/AAAAAAAABGM/1JhpAU7t34c/s1600/Conan+The+God+in+the+Bowl.jpg)

FUCK YOU, SNAKE

#2 summer jam = THE GOON

(http://chickitychina.com/images/wordpress/independent/the-goon-satans-sodomy-baby-2a.jpg)

So fucking good
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 21, 2011, 04:31:13 PM
Hey guys, which matoor graphical novel should I read next?

- Sandman
- Starman
- Hellblazer
- Lucifer

?

Kinda leaning towards Sandman, because I've heard people talk about it all my life and also I want those sweet, sweet Absolute Editions.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 21, 2011, 07:33:07 PM
personal preference

hellblazer
sandman but only so that you can read the superior
lucifer
starman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 21, 2011, 10:06:23 PM
The Absolute editions are nice but the artists on Sandman were wildly inconsistent and just not very good in many places so it's not really that big of a draw seeing the art oversized. The main attraction for me was the recoloring, which the reissued TPBs also have now I think. I grew up with Sandman and Hellblazer but I think Lucifer is a better, more cohesive work than either, and just plain fun. I'm reading Starman now actually...it's ok. At this point (about 20 issues in), I'd say it's overrated but I hear it all comes together nicely.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 21, 2011, 10:07:14 PM
And if you haven't read The Invisibles....THAT is the motherfucking Vertigo series to end all Vertigo series'
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 22, 2011, 01:31:04 AM
And if you haven't read The Invisibles....THAT is the motherfucking Vertigo series to end all Vertigo series'

+1, ad infinitum.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 22, 2011, 02:07:11 AM
Just imagine if Quitely had drawn all of it. sigh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 22, 2011, 06:20:03 AM
It would have taken even longer to come out. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 22, 2011, 07:39:43 AM
yeah, they kind of had a self-imposed deadline of 2012, would have been a squeaker
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Post by: Eric P on July 23, 2011, 09:39:42 AM
really liked this week's wonderella

(http://nonadventures.com/comics/2011-07-23-259.png)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 23, 2011, 03:33:39 PM
Like you'd say no to fucking a woman in a cat suit? And don't spend your days staring at a PC screen?
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Post by: chronovore on July 24, 2011, 10:26:43 AM
Furry-lover.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on July 26, 2011, 01:47:45 AM
The DC panels at Comic Con were really good. Except for this really annoying bitch who went to EVERY SINGLE panel and got to the mic to grill DC as to why they have no female characters at all and no women working for the company.
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Post by: bork on July 26, 2011, 10:14:32 AM
The DC panels at Comic Con were really good. Except for this really annoying bitch who went to EVERY SINGLE panel and got to the mic to grill DC as to why they have no female characters at all and no women working for the company.

 ??? at the "no female characters" comment,  :lol at "no women working for the company."  Although all I can think of is Gail Simone right now.
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Post by: Eric P on July 26, 2011, 11:09:28 AM
read four volumes of Scalped in 3 days.  I didn't like the first volume, but man from 2 on it's just fucking amazing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2011, 11:57:17 AM
The DC panels at Comic Con were really good. Except for this really annoying bitch who went to EVERY SINGLE panel and got to the mic to grill DC as to why they have no female characters at all and no women working for the company.

 ??? at the "no female characters" comment,  :lol at "no women working for the company."  Although all I can think of is Gail Simone right now.

I love Secret Six.  :heartbeat
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2011, 12:12:25 PM
The DC panels at Comic Con were really good. Except for this really annoying bitch who went to EVERY SINGLE panel and got to the mic to grill DC as to why they have no female characters at all and no women working for the company.

 ??? at the "no female characters" comment,  :lol at "no women working for the company."  Although all I can think of is Gail Simone right now.

Devin Greyson wrote a lot of Batman comics, but I don't know if she's still with DC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on July 26, 2011, 01:03:34 PM
The DC panels at Comic Con were really good. Except for this really annoying bitch who went to EVERY SINGLE panel and got to the mic to grill DC as to why they have no female characters at all and no women working for the company.

 ??? at the "no female characters" comment,  :lol at "no women working for the company."  Although all I can think of is Gail Simone right now.

Sandra Hope is inking Flashpoint right now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on July 26, 2011, 01:09:11 PM
Hey guys, which matoor graphical novel should I read next?

- Sandman
- Starman
- Hellblazer
- Lucifer

?

Kinda leaning towards Sandman, because I've heard people talk about it all my life and also I want those sweet, sweet Absolute Editions.

SANDMAN!!!!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 09:07:54 PM
read four volumes of Scalped in 3 days.  I didn't like the first volume, but man from 2 on it's just fucking amazing

It is great, but I feel very unclean after reading it. Yes, Jason Aaaron, I know all that shit is happening to Indians right now in the real world. No, I don't think you choose that setting because you just had to write about Indian life and culture - I think you choose it because all that heinous shit going on is what people want to see in their drama. But still, yeah, can't stop reading.
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Post by: Eric P on July 26, 2011, 09:37:34 PM
it does feel kind of exploitative at times, but i do love the casino owner character and his really complex relationship with those around him, namely Dashiel's mother.

The Hmong element though?  That just feels really trashy.  As though he couldn't hold the story together without some Ennis-esque character going around cutting people's eyeballs out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 09:58:58 PM
Yeah, eyeball-abuse is the greatest cliche in Vertigo books...I wonder if Karen Berger has some kind of fetish. I don't need to be 'shocked' constantly to stay awake if the actual storytelling is good (which it is).

The only other criticism I have of Scalped is that it is blatantly a TV drama on paper. It wants to be The Wire/Sopranos/Sons of Anarchy/Breaking Bad so bad it hurts.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2011, 10:01:32 PM
Hey guys, which matoor graphical novel should I read next?

- Sandman
- Starman
- Hellblazer
- Lucifer

?

Kinda leaning towards Sandman, because I've heard people talk about it all my life and also I want those sweet, sweet Absolute Editions.

SANDMAN!!!!

I think I'm going to get Absolute Sandman Vol. 1 and a few Hellblazer TPBs when I get paid this week.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 10:07:23 PM
I have 1-4, but will pass on 5.

I got them all from amazon, and I really should have returned #1 (despite the huge bath I'd have taken on international postage). The binding was a mess - it came apart as I read it. The other ones were fine but watch out for that. They are pretty huge books so I'd imagine this is a common issue. They are fun as hell to read though - feels like you are reading from the Book of Destiny. You want to stand up and put them on a plinth.

Having said that, I just pre-ordered the IDW Wally Wood Artist Edition book - 22" x 15"! What the fuck! I have no idea what I'm gonna do with it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 10:31:47 PM
Some info on the Wally Wood book if anyone is interested:

https://shop.idwpublishing.com/wally-wood-s-ec-stories-artist-s-edition-pre-order-1.html

I also have the Simonson book ordered, and there is no way I can resist either the upcoming Eisner Spirit book or the Romita Spider-man one. Fuuuuuuuuuuuu

Pretty sure these will at least double in value in a year or less but these will be strictly reading copies! I may even cut out and frame some pages. It'd still be waaaaaay cheaper than buying the original art. I am :drool'ing thinking about what other artists they might give this treatment to. Miller? Toth? Quitely? KIRBY??
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2011, 10:37:38 PM
I have 1-4, but will pass on 5.

I got them all from amazon, and I really should have returned #1 (despite the huge bath I'd have taken on international postage). The binding was a mess - it came apart as I read it. The other ones were fine but watch out for that. They are pretty huge books so I'd imagine this is a common issue. They are fun as hell to read though - feels like you are reading from the Book of Destiny. You want to stand up and put them on a plinth.

Having said that, I just pre-ordered the IDW Wally Wood Artist Edition book - 22" x 15"! What the fuck! I have no idea what I'm gonna do with it.

Wasn't aware of 5 - I like how it includes both versions of the Dream Hunters (the awesome Amano one, and the totally weirdly redundant 2009 COMIX one)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 11:03:28 PM
They are milking it hard, yeah. Not quite as bad as Absolute Death but close. (also passed on that...)

While we're on the subject: My Absolute roll call!

Sandman 1-4
New Frontier
Dark Knight
Planetary 1/2
V for Vendetta
All-Star Superman
Promethea 1,2 (3 preordered)
Watchmen
Ronin
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2011, 11:13:51 PM
btw are you talking about that 1800 page Simonson TOME of THOR? that thing is one hammer handle away from being MJOLNIR SIZED
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 11:20:08 PM
no, i have that already. It's AWESOME!*

I'm talking about this: https://shop.idwpublishing.com/walter-simonson-s-thor-artist-s-edition-pre-order-with-shipping-options.html

*apart from a few issues near the end, like the awful Judge Dredd parody
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2011, 11:22:43 PM
no, i have that already. It's AWESOME!*

I'm talking about this: https://shop.idwpublishing.com/walter-simonson-s-thor-artist-s-edition-pre-order-with-shipping-options.html


I just got a Boner Ray Bill
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 11:32:18 PM
Comics Journal has a great piece on it:

http://www.tcj.com/the-walter-simonson-interview/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 26, 2011, 11:32:37 PM
Sorry I'm costing you money aren't I
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 30, 2011, 02:32:55 PM
Bought on Amazon:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41kEkqSoh0L.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51DroZ7R4KL.jpg)

Bought at Half-Price Books:
(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/616iEiG2YpL.jpg)

Also at HPB:
(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51baP0ygulL.jpg)

Because my friend's been going on about this series for a while.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on July 31, 2011, 07:52:35 PM
Also at HPB:
(http://img.amazon.ca/images/I/51baP0ygulL.jpg)

Because my friend's been going on about this series for a while.

This creepy guy comes in the shop and only reads Supergirl, Batgirl, Power Girl, Birds of Prey, and Morning Glories.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2011, 08:01:25 PM
Got Absolute Sandman Vol. 1 today, it's sexy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 03, 2011, 10:21:47 PM
Cross-posted from the buy thread - picked up this awesome Nexus tribute by Mitch Gerads, who is one of the artists who posts at the Comic Twart blog:

(http://ny-image3.etsy.com/il_570xN.213192635.jpg)

$45, 11x17 inches. It's not Steve Rude but it's a steal!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 04, 2011, 05:33:57 AM
Comics Journal has a great piece on it:

http://www.tcj.com/the-walter-simonson-interview/

i just got issue 301

it's a goddamn monster.  the first 200 pages are all about Crumb and Genesis.  It's fairly overwhelming.  I also snagged the new Morrison book about comics. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 04, 2011, 05:48:07 AM
been debating getting that. The preview bits they had up on Crumb and Cerebus were really good. Supergods is great stuff but it's as much about Morrison's life and views as it is comics, so how much you like it will depend on your tolerance for G-Mo (mine is sky-high)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 05, 2011, 08:50:36 AM
I used to love Nexus. I think I still have a whole run of the first four or five years in storage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2011, 09:06:35 AM
your tolerance for G-Mo (mine is sky-high)

love him.  I'll probably start it after I finish Good Calories, Bad Calories.

I have books 5-7 of Scalped, I Kill Giants, and the first volumes of Dororo and Black Jack.  I just read Ayoko and I think it's probably the absolute best thing I've read from Tezuka. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 05, 2011, 06:57:18 PM
Black Jack is my MOST favorite. Dororo is great, too. I mean - everything Tezuka does is awesome.

I Kill Giants isn't so bad - I didn't like it as much as some.

I should probably read Supergods, I am okay with Morrison's amazing floating brain.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 06, 2011, 12:45:21 PM
Guess the "pants edict" has been overruled?

It went from this:
(http://i.imgur.com/kG9Rq.jpg)

To this:
(http://i.imgur.com/blAVx.jpg)

Shitty "WHAT?  NO PANTS AGAIN!  IMMA DRAW!!!!!" David Finch variant cover:

(http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/files/2011/08/JLA_1A_FINCH_600-CMYK_R1_akjsdfhlaksjdf279511245.jpg)

No Cyborg  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 06, 2011, 12:57:49 PM
Even the cover art guys know Cyborg sucks but Geoff Johns didn't get the memo. Back to Teen Titans for you, loser.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2011, 06:32:49 PM
Picked up:
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51T70Ro2ZvL.jpg)

I'm already going to miss be-panted Wonder Woman. :(

[youtube=560,345]eGQEAiZJMco[/youtube]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 07, 2011, 06:51:28 PM
I wouldn't have gotten that, joe-- It sucks.  The story takes forever to get going, too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 08, 2011, 12:35:44 AM
Taking advantage of the high yen to pick up some stuff from my amazon wish list (this is just the stuff that arrived today...!)

Little Nemo in Slumberland by Winsor McCay Many More Splendid Sundays! vol 2

This is the current record holder for 'Hugest-ass book in my collection', although I think the new Wally Wood book might give it a run for its money when it arrives...iPad shown for scale

Also: Milt Caniff's Terry and the Pirates vols 1 and 2 from IDW (who are putting out some seriously god tier reprints these days, giving fantagraphics a run for their money)

(http://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg739/scaled.php?tn=0&server=739&filename=vfxmk.jpg&xsize=640&ysize=640)
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Post by: chronovore on August 08, 2011, 09:49:48 AM
I loves me some Winsor McCay.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2011, 10:04:31 AM
I saw a book of his political cartoons and they were absolutely amazing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2011, 12:08:26 PM
i just got this in

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61R0ltymTwL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Quote
Before there were 3-D movies there were 3-D comics! In the mid-fifties comic book great Joe Kubert hit upon the idea of doing comics in 3-D, which resulted in some of the best-selling comics of all time, with print runs in the millions! Eisner Award winner Craig Yoe collects the best of these stories and samples by artists like Jack Kirby, Steve Ditko, Bob Powell, Al Jaffee, Russ Heath, Milt Stein, Alex Toth, and many more! Carefully re-mastered and reproduced in large format so that every dynamic, eye-popping effect can be looked at in astonishment! The comics cover every genre: superhero, jungle adventures, horror comics, science fiction, funny animals, satire, western and romance! Features a fascinating, behind-the-scenes introduction by the mastermind behind 3-D comics himself, Mr. Joe Kubert! Rare art and ephemera as only Yoe Books does it! And, yes, of course, it comes with special FREE 3-D GLASSES! BUT WAIT! There's more! This must-have hardback book boasts a special linticular 3-D cover that puts the amazing in Amazing 3-D Comics!

I saw some of these back in the 80s when there was a mini3D comic boom (I had the Captain EO 3D Comic, for example) but this looks to be far better than the horrible reprints that were available then.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 08, 2011, 12:13:29 PM
Finished this: http://www.amazon.com/One-Soul-Ray-Fawkes/dp/1934964662/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312819888&sr=8-1

9-panel grid x 2 page spread = 18 simultaneous stories of birth, life, and death. You can read it spread-by-spread or follow one panel/story up and down the ages. Amazing formalist accomplishment, and pretty good comix too.

(http://media.thestar.topscms.com/images/37/b4/8cd2770d4062b69c06a0e3f38d9f.jpeg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2011, 05:36:45 PM
I wouldn't have gotten that, joe-- It sucks.  The story takes forever to get going, too.

I guess I probably shouldn't mention that I also got the first volume of the latest Birds of Prey series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 08, 2011, 07:03:57 PM
I wouldn't have gotten that, joe-- It sucks.  The story takes forever to get going, too.

I guess I probably shouldn't mention that I also got the first volume of the latest Birds of Prey series.

That's okay...I probably wouldn't go past the first volume though.   :lol  Gail Simone stayed on until #12, but Ed Benes left and the story seemed to follow the artwork in going to shit.  I haven't read the last seven or so issues, so maybe it gets better.  Doubtful, but the last story arc takes place in the past and is all about the original Black Canary and Phantom Lady.

But the book's already been canceled to make room for the new Birds Of Prey series.  One look at the cover and you know it's headed to cancel-ville too!

http://comicartcommunity.com/gallery/data/media/361/BIRDS_OF_PREY_1.jpg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2011, 10:33:39 PM
I've already decided I'm not going to like it with Barbara retconned back to being Batgirl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Smooth Groove on August 11, 2011, 01:12:46 AM
(http://tdwgeeks.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/951e6b7e-465e-46db-a5d4-0c69cc5881dd.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 11, 2011, 10:21:56 AM
Alan Moore :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on August 20, 2011, 02:36:10 PM
Anyone else collect DC Direct or Marvel Select?

I started with the last line of JLA figures, and the Flashpoint and Batman Inc ones are great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 20, 2011, 04:41:20 PM
I finally got around to reading the first issues of Y The Last Man- then ordered all the deluxe versions. Cool stuff. Cant wait for the Fables Deluxe Vol 3 out soon here. Love the care they put into crafting these deluxe releases. Not sure what ill do with the TPBs tho
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2011, 07:19:14 PM
Give 'em to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 20, 2011, 07:20:18 PM
Sure, pm me your addy and ill get them sent out here sometime soon- ill send you tpbs included in the first 3 deluxe volumes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 20, 2011, 07:26:23 PM
Sweet!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 20, 2011, 09:22:25 PM
i am stupid excited for my New Teen Titans omnibus to get here in the next week or so.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 20, 2011, 10:17:32 PM
I did love those back in the day but think i'll probably pass on that. It's good value, even, but my shelves are getting out of control again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 22, 2011, 02:00:02 AM
http://www.majorspoilers.com/major-spoilers-confidential-case-file-0001-the-franklin-richards-paradox
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: brob on August 22, 2011, 02:10:21 AM
Less than a month til Craig Thompson's Habibi is released! Feel the hype bros! :rock

(http://i.imgur.com/t0bsO.jpg)

Quote from: Craig Thompson
The book will be $29.95 — 672 b&w pages — clothbound hardcover with stamped gold foil, and look something like the mock-up above. On the
right are a handful of cover ideas that didn’t make the cut.

:bow2 :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 22, 2011, 02:44:42 AM
I have it pre-ordered but don't know a thing about it otherwise. Enlighten me. Blankets thrilled and irritated me in equal measure.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: brob on August 22, 2011, 02:48:31 AM
it's about a prostitute and a eunuch. something something humanizing islam. dunno, I loved blankets so I haven't bothered looking for any info other than a release date. 


not really an edit at all:
Quote from: wiki
Habibi is a forthcoming graphic novel by Craig Thompson. It will be published by Pantheon in September 2011, about seven years after Thompson began work on it.[1] At 672 pages, it is Thompson's longest work to date.[2]

The story involves slavery, religion, and "a love story between a prostitute and a eunuch."[3] Particular focus is given to Islam: Thompson said that he was motivated by a "desire to humanize Islamic culture, instead of it always being vilified"[4] and that the book is "like an Arabian Nights tale of my own making."[3] The word "Habibi" is Arabic for "my beloved."[5]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 22, 2011, 02:51:22 AM
Did Blankets not make you want to slap his weaselly little face every few pages though
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 22, 2011, 02:51:54 AM
I mean, fantastic artist, admire him for laying it all out there and all, but enough with the LiveJournal self-justification already
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: brob on August 22, 2011, 02:55:01 AM
beneath this shell of muscle and brood there is a soft man made out of cookie dough and rainbows. his whine resonated with said cookie dough.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 22, 2011, 02:58:46 AM
Bits of it did, don't get me wrong. Other bits were like reading Bebpo posting about his new romantic obsession
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 22, 2011, 03:02:12 AM
Have you read his Carnet de Voyage? It's just a travelogue that he drew instead of blogged, but it's cool and displays his range well. Even his fucking handwriting is beautiful.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: brob on August 22, 2011, 03:06:53 AM
I was fifteen when I read Blankets I think. so that isn't too far from where I was at the time  :lol

regarding Carnet de Voyage, no, my library didn't carry it last I saw. Moved cities since so I guess it's worth trying again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: brob on August 22, 2011, 03:11:40 AM
and, yo, his hand writing?

http://www.dootdootgarden.com/2010/11/22/tedium/

shiiiiiii~
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 22, 2011, 03:21:24 AM
That is freakin' nuts. He could have just sent his publisher a font of 10 numbers...instead he did all that.

For all its skill and passion, Blankets is a teenaged work, no getting around it. I'm hoping Habibi is much more mature. Some artists just get stuck on those teen years though, for a variety of reasons. Charles Burns is the other notable.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 22, 2011, 03:32:45 AM
Hubba hubba

(http://www.dootdootgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/spined.jpg)

(http://www.dootdootgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/stacked.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: brob on August 22, 2011, 03:33:41 AM
:bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 22, 2011, 09:04:49 AM
Bits of it did, don't get me wrong. Other bits were like reading Bebpo posting about his new romantic obsession

ohsnap.gif
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 23, 2011, 03:40:11 AM
FAO Eric P: http://www.amazon.com/New-Teen-Titans-Omnibus-Vol/dp/1401234291/ref=pd_sim_b_20

Vol. 2! May as well pre-order now and lock in the best price. I succumbed after all :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 23, 2011, 03:52:04 AM
Also, possibly the best Batman story ever is back in print in hardcover. If you haven't seen it, the hardcover has a ton of additional content by David Mazzuchelli that is REALLY worth a look. Not just the usual prelim sketches - actual drawn pages that illustrate his process and thinking. Get on this shit if you don't got it

http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Year-One-Deluxe-New/dp/1401233422/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1314085851&sr=8-1
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 23, 2011, 05:11:30 AM
FAO Eric P: http://www.amazon.com/New-Teen-Titans-Omnibus-Vol/dp/1401234291/ref=pd_sim_b_20

Vol. 2! May as well pre-order now and lock in the best price. I succumbed after all :lol

*cough*

I may have already done so.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.titanstower.com/assets/gallery/perezgallery/commissions/Robin1999.jpg)hundreds of pages of short shorts robin.
[close]


and speaking of excellent batman comics, looks like they're doing the deluxe thing for Morrison's Batman Run as well

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401233368/ref=pd_1ctyhuc__bxgy_01_01
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 23, 2011, 08:14:57 AM

and speaking of excellent batman comics, looks like they're doing the deluxe thing for Morrison's Batman Run as well

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401233368/ref=pd_1ctyhuc__bxgy_01_01

 :o :o :o

PRE-ORDER'D!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 23, 2011, 09:38:03 AM
FAO Eric P: http://www.amazon.com/New-Teen-Titans-Omnibus-Vol/dp/1401234291/ref=pd_sim_b_20

Vol. 2! May as well pre-order now and lock in the best price. I succumbed after all :lol

*cough*

I may have already done so.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.titanstower.com/assets/gallery/perezgallery/commissions/Robin1999.jpg)hundreds of pages of short shorts robin.
[close]

and speaking of excellent batman comics, looks like they're doing the deluxe thing for Morrison's Batman Run as well

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401233368/ref=pd_1ctyhuc__bxgy_01_01

Yeah, I already ordered it :lol

I actually ordered almost $200 of stuff today, all told. Year One, NTT vols 1 and 2, Alan Moore's DCU Omnibus and the Morrisonbats Omnibus. It won't all arrive 'til next spring though. I like to send these little presents to Future Myself randomly :tophat
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Post by: Eric P on August 23, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
got that Gene Colan Batman volume in the mail.  it's really nice.  the good glossy paper rather than that crap they used for the Jack Kirby omnibuses. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 23, 2011, 06:56:38 PM
Hubba hubba

(http://www.dootdootgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/spined.jpg)

(http://www.dootdootgarden.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/stacked.jpg)

I like the art.  What kind of comic is it?  I don't follow comics at all.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 23, 2011, 07:04:31 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OVMka0m%2BL._SS500_.jpg)

Shipped yesterday- pumped. I also recommend this one- been out for a while but totally worth it:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515vZRcpzkL._SS500_.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tucah on August 23, 2011, 07:11:36 PM
I've owned the first deluxe edition of Fables for forever and never got around to reading it. I should get on that some point soon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 23, 2011, 11:27:45 PM
Bebpo - no-one really knows yet as it has not been released or reviewed. It's some kind of Muslim love story. Blankets is emo teen romance coming of age and ditching your 1st your GF angsty/realizing that religion is bullshit and wanking is ok crap but extremely beautiful and well-crafted nonetheless
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Post by: Eric P on August 24, 2011, 08:28:21 AM
The Gene Colan book is great stuff!  His artwork with Klaus Janson on inks looks sooo good!  The stories are presented in sequential order rather than grouped by title.  It looks like the creative teams bounced from Batman to Detective alternating each month.

Grant Morrison interview in Rolling Stone is great stuff

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/grant-morrison-on-the-death-of-comics-20110822?print=true#

Do you still hang out with your former protégé Mark Millar at all?
No.

Is that an estranged situation?
It's a can of worms. I met Mark when he was 18, and I really got on with him, because he laughed at all my jokes. He has the same sense of humor as me, he's very dark, and has that sense of humor, so we bonded. I used to phone him every day, and we ended up doing some work together on 2000 AD, which went well. It was funny stuff, we'd meet in the pub and get drunk and do this Big Dave strip, which was a comedy strip, and obviously, he was trying to get into American comics, so I got him on in Swamp Thing, and they asked me to write the book but I said, "Let's get Mark in, let's give him a job," so I consulted with him on the stories, and so on through the Nineties.

When he got the Authority book, his star started to rise, and at that point, he felt he was in my shadow and he had to get out, and the way to get out was to do this fairly uncool split. It was quite hard, I felt, but he had to make his own way, and he was in denial that I'd been there, because I saw a lot of his work had been plotted or devised, even dialogue suggestions were done by me right up until the point of The Ultimates. It was seen by him as a dimunition of his position, even though it wasn't, I was quite proud of him as a mentor. He's done well without me, he has his own style, he does his own stuff. It was kind of that archetype, you get caught up in that story.

You came out and acknowledged this, but that was after the estrangement?
Yeah. Before that, everyone in the business knew that I was working with him, it was obvious, I was 10 years older, I was already successful. His star rose, and that history became sidelined.

He still lives in Glasgow, is there a chance of bumping into him?
There's a very good chance of running into him, and I hope I'm going 100 miles an hour when it happens.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 24, 2011, 12:03:23 PM
He says all that much more diplomatically in Supergods - I think he's blatantly searching for some easy headlines here. Having said that, the bad blood seems to be genuine.

A lot of the comics internet is focusing on some very bland statements about Siegel & Shuster though - it seems anything short of calling for the heads of DC for their ill-treatment of these creators is tantamount to murder. whatever. I do note a huge disconnect between his portrayal of business at Marvel and at DC. He's certainly not above kissing corporate ass at this stage, which I think is just repugnant to those fans who've been with him since he was a genuine counterculture icon in his King Mob days. But fuck, the dude is 51 and creatively far from dead yet...that's better than I expect from most artists I appreciate. Very few Angry Young Men stay angry into their 50s after they meet with success like he has.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 24, 2011, 12:04:38 PM
also, you may wanna check out this:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/159582782X

Indian Summer alone is worth it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 24, 2011, 12:29:07 PM
He still lives in Glasgow, is there a chance of bumping into him?
There's a very good chance of running into him, and I hope I'm going 100 miles an hour when it happens.

ICE COLD!  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 26, 2011, 09:23:42 AM
Secret Society of Super-Villians is totally nuts and totally 70s.  I can't even begin to go into it.  The art is largely horrible though and the story is uh also horrible, but it's also kind of insane in a weird homage to Kirby's 4th world (Darkseid!  Kalibak Vs Gorilla Grodd!) and full of these strange characterizations and leaps of logic which are as breath taking as any high wire act.  In the first issue some of the Flash's rogue's gallery are so broke they're sticking up a jewelery store and complaining about only getting $10k from their fence, two issues later, Boomerang has a CUSTOM BUILT BOOMERANG SPACESHIP HE USES TO HIGHJACK THE ISS.  If you're broke, you could have maybe sold that.

It also features the worst cameo by a Kirby character ever.  The Black Racer shows up on the cover of an issue like he's going to be a huge part of the story, but nope.  One panel.  The next issue, he's waved away by Darksied so he only shows like like 5 panels total and does nothing.

I'm about halfway through with this book so it could go even crazier, but man, this joint is popping.  It's like a turkish b-movie rip off of suicide squad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 29, 2011, 02:23:27 AM
Since getting my cheap Touchpad I burned through all of Invincible, loved it...and now the wait begins, ugghhh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 29, 2011, 02:41:06 AM
well, the good news is that there are hundreds of other comic series of similar or higher quality i guess
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2011, 06:08:15 PM
I read Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run, finally - pretty good, but an artifact of the time - Moore did much better work in the same field just a few years later. My biggest takeaway from it was "wow, Gaiman sure ripped off Alan Moore's Swamp Thing for the first 20 issues of Sandman!"

Got caught up on Morrison-Bats (I'd last stopped at B&R 12). I respect it a lot more than I like it, and reading it is like learning a foreign Batman language, where the individual issues and sentences never quite gel, but the overarching narrative is, in retrospect, quite cleverly constructed.

The best thing I've read recently is Fraction's Casanova. Yes, it's B-grade Jerry Cornelius fanfic, but it's 2-shades shy of Umbrella Academy-crazy, and the two arcs are drawn by Ba/Moon, respectively. And hey, at least it's better than Gideon Stargrave!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 30, 2011, 02:03:27 AM
well, the good news is that there are hundreds of other comic series of similar or higher quality i guess

yet to find them, really.

burning through Planetary atm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 02:57:24 AM
I'm not dumping on Invincible, I like it a lot. But it is far from the be-all and end-all. Planetary is way better, for one. IMHO of course.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Vizzys on August 30, 2011, 04:47:21 AM
planetary owns

read global frequency ~
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 06:30:30 AM
Fuck, there go all my illusions
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 30, 2011, 09:49:37 AM
Invincible just seems a little stupid to me. How could a race like the Viltrumites exist? How would evolution ever produce such a species? At least with the Kryptonians, it was justified as being some weird quirk with the yellow sun. The Viltrumites just defy all logic.

Who cares? It's suitably terrifying to think of "What if Superman was lying to all of us? And there is an army of them which have no compunction about turning into $20 bath mats and anal sex toys... not necessarily in that order."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 10:51:46 AM
Also, you should never ever ever ever EVER read any Legion of Superheroes comics, Awesom-o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 10:52:14 AM
Invincible just seems a little stupid to me. How could a race like the Viltrumites exist? How would evolution ever produce such a species? At least with the Kryptonians, it was justified as being some weird quirk with the yellow sun. The Viltrumites just defy all logic.

Who cares? It's suitably terrifying to think of "What if Superman was lying to all of us? And there is an army of them which have no compunction about turning into $20 bath mats and anal sex toys... not necessarily in that order."

Also the whole damn thing is just Dragon Ball
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2011, 11:09:25 AM
Invincible just seems a little stupid to me. How could a race like the Viltrumites exist? How would evolution ever produce such a species? At least with the Kryptonians, it was justified as being some weird quirk with the yellow sun. The Viltrumites just defy all logic.

Who cares? It's suitably terrifying to think of "What if Superman was lying to all of us? And there is an army of them which have no compunction about turning into $20 bath mats and anal sex toys... not necessarily in that order."

Also the whole damn thing is just Dragon Ball

Yeah, that's the easiest/best dis for Invincible. It's Dragon Ball with pervert suits!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on August 30, 2011, 11:23:26 AM
Invincible just seems a little stupid to me. How could a race like the Viltrumites exist? How would evolution ever produce such a species? At least with the Kryptonians, it was justified as being some weird quirk with the yellow sun. The Viltrumites just defy all logic.

Who cares? It's suitably terrifying to think of "What if Superman was lying to all of us? And there is an army of them which have no compunction about turning into $20 bath mats and anal sex toys... not necessarily in that order."

Also the whole damn thing is just Dragon Ball

That's what makes it awesome :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2011, 02:45:23 PM

Also the whole damn thing is just Dragon Ball

Yeah, that's the easiest/best dis for Invincible. It's Dragon Ball with pervert suits!

I never thought about it that way, but that totally makes sense.  I only read like the first 30 issues or so.  It didn't really grab me at all.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 30, 2011, 02:59:34 PM
So...tomorrow is JLA #1. Let the bed shatting commence!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2011, 03:17:23 PM
DC is doing midnight launches across the country.

There are 3 in NYC alone.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2011, 04:06:36 PM
"DC claims there’s no Psycho Pirate-type loophole in their new continuity where someone “remembers” the old continuity."

(dot dot dot)

"This weekend at Fan Expo Canada, Dan DiDio confirmed an ongoing rumor: James Robinson and Nicola Scott are working on a new Justice Society of America book -- that takes place on Earth-Two."

:facepalm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2011, 04:09:14 PM
I will be honest.  I love JSA and I like Earth-2, so I'm the problem target audience.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2011, 04:13:10 PM
I will be honest.  I love JSA and I like Earth-2, so I'm the problem target audience.

Geoff Johns?!

OTOH if they are willing to make Byrne's 1986 Man of Steel Superman the new Earth-2 Superman I would be hilariously on-board
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2011, 07:37:33 PM
i guess it's a kind of weird nostalgia for that era and that storytelling style which is so strange to me as i was never a fan when i was younger and it was current.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 07:54:58 PM
"DC claims there’s no Psycho Pirate-type loophole in their new continuity where someone “remembers” the old continuity."

(dot dot dot)

"This weekend at Fan Expo Canada, Dan DiDio confirmed an ongoing rumor: James Robinson and Nicola Scott are working on a new Justice Society of America book -- that takes place on Earth-Two."

:facepalm

Why does that bother you? It's an actual separate timeline it seems, so JSA would appear to be starting over free of continuity. Robinson might be good on this, I dunno. He has been shit for years and his JLA was diabolical but you never know! It seems the kind of book on which he could thrive - slow burn plots free of interference from other books, retro setting which he loves... And come on, no matter what else happens, DC is not going to let valuable copyrights lapse.

I'm torn about Johns-Lee JLA. I kinda want to get it just 'cause it's a big event, and it casts a vote for same day digital comics. On the other hand, it's Johns and Lee, which is like the definition of corporate mediocrity. I'm sure i'll hate it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 08:29:16 PM
On the positive tip though! I will buy, not steal, a good dozen or so of the relaunch books and probably steal most of the rest too.

First the stuff I'll likely buy at least 6 months worth of, assuming the current creative teams stick around (or improve! god knows DC's talent pool is miserable right now):

Action Comics - Grant Morrison, will buy anything
Batwoman - JW Williams, will buy anything
Batman - Been following Scott Snyder's Detective so why not continue? He's not Alan Moore but he's pretty good. The art is a huge downgrade from Jock and Francavilla sadly.
Justice League Dark - Peter Milligan so who knows. Could be genius, could be tossed-off tosh.
Stormwatch - Paul Cornell, the Authority characters and Martian Manhunter, sounds like a larf
Demon Knights - Paul Cornell, the Demon, medieval setting, sounds like a larf
All-Star Western - Palmiotti, Grey, Moritat? Fuck yes.
OMAC - for the amazing Keith Giffen Kirby pastiche art alone, doubt Dan DiDio's writing is up to much
Batman Inc - not part of the launch but may as well be. Still on board forever despite that fairly horrible last issue.

various maybes, will at least check out a few issues or when they are cheap, or if I see some good reviews or twitter enthusiasm
Frankenstein - Lemire's mini was ok, not amazing. Could be interesting if he goes mad with it.
Resurrection Man - DnA - got a real soft spot for these guys, loved all their Marvel Cosmic stuff. (oh, and if anyone wants to read something like Invincible, you could do a lot worse than their run on Nova!). This is just a bizarre concept that could turn out pretty cool.
Swamp Thing - Snyder, pretty ambivalent on this one really as i basically dislike the concept for reasons I cannot well explain but he has hyped it up quite well
Grifter - hey, I like Nate Edmondson. Who is Jake Ellis is fucking GREAT
Legion of Superheroes - I still like the old Levitz/Giffen LoS stuff and this is Levitz doing LoS so worth a punt at least. Of course i haven't read any of the scans i have of his last couple of years on basically the exact same book so it is rather fiscally imprudent of me to spend actual cash on this. Still, worth a few issues i guess

Will probably have to update with more too!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2011, 09:39:53 PM
"DC claims there’s no Psycho Pirate-type loophole in their new continuity where someone “remembers” the old continuity."

(dot dot dot)

"This weekend at Fan Expo Canada, Dan DiDio confirmed an ongoing rumor: James Robinson and Nicola Scott are working on a new Justice Society of America book -- that takes place on Earth-Two."

:facepalm

Why does that bother you? It's an actual separate timeline it seems, so JSA would appear to be starting over free of continuity. Robinson might be good on this, I dunno. He has been shit for years and his JLA was diabolical but you never know! It seems the kind of book on which he could thrive - slow burn plots free of interference from other books, retro setting which he loves... And come on, no matter what else happens, DC is not going to let valuable copyrights lapse.

I'm torn about Johns-Lee JLA. I kinda want to get it just 'cause it's a big event, and it casts a vote for same day digital comics. On the other hand, it's Johns and Lee, which is like the definition of corporate mediocrity. I'm sure i'll hate it.

Well, reintroducing Earth-2 right away doesn't seem like much of a continuity sweep... it's hard to take DC seriously when we have the same writers, artists, and now apparently multiverse as pre-wipe.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 30, 2011, 09:40:51 PM
Batman Inc - not part of the launch but may as well be. Still on board forever despite that fairly horrible last issue.

May I just say, what the fuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 09:47:45 PM
well, I thought the story was pretty solid, but hardly outstanding. He's not very solid on sci-fi at all, unfortunately. All buzzwords and no substance. The reveal was a yawn. The Poser art really really bothered me though, although there were a few striking scenes. Overall it just didn't do anything for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 09:50:36 PM
"DC claims there’s no Psycho Pirate-type loophole in their new continuity where someone “remembers” the old continuity."

(dot dot dot)

"This weekend at Fan Expo Canada, Dan DiDio confirmed an ongoing rumor: James Robinson and Nicola Scott are working on a new Justice Society of America book -- that takes place on Earth-Two."

:facepalm

Why does that bother you? It's an actual separate timeline it seems, so JSA would appear to be starting over free of continuity. Robinson might be good on this, I dunno. He has been shit for years and his JLA was diabolical but you never know! It seems the kind of book on which he could thrive - slow burn plots free of interference from other books, retro setting which he loves... And come on, no matter what else happens, DC is not going to let valuable copyrights lapse.

I'm torn about Johns-Lee JLA. I kinda want to get it just 'cause it's a big event, and it casts a vote for same day digital comics. On the other hand, it's Johns and Lee, which is like the definition of corporate mediocrity. I'm sure i'll hate it.

Well, reintroducing Earth-2 right away doesn't seem like much of a continuity sweep... it's hard to take DC seriously when we have the same writers, artists, and now apparently multiverse as pre-wipe.

The point is blatantly not to wipe continuity - that much has been made clear from the start (i.e. Batman Inc was always going to follow on directly). I thought they were being pretty up-front about only changing continuity for struggling titles that needed a change, i.e Superman.

The biggest issue is more-or-less insurmountable - they just don't have a lot of talent. If they keep selling 100,000-plus maybe they'll be able to steal some better talent but in the short run, we're just going to see a new coat of paint on the old mediocrity. No editorial mandate or trickery can overcome that really.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 30, 2011, 10:16:04 PM
define "online" :teehee
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 30, 2011, 10:21:30 PM
comixology had a deal on the whole series for $25 recently, pretty awesome deal. It'll probably come around again at some point.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 31, 2011, 12:47:36 AM
Hey J-Bore, how do you guys get your Western comics?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 31, 2011, 02:23:59 AM
by which you mean me, i guess. amazon.com (paper - i only buy collections), comixology (digital) and Direct Connect (scans)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 31, 2011, 09:44:19 AM
"by which you mean me, i guess" -- What am I, chopped liver?

I have Atlantis Fantasybooks in Santa Cruz keeping a box for me, and I pick up stuff when I go back, or have friends grab it and ship it over. Lately I've been buying trade paperbacks through Amazon.co.jp, which have reasonable prices overall and only take a week or so to arrive.

I have some .cbz/.cbr comicz, but honestly I'm not into reading them on a computer in front of me, and the iPod Touch screen is just a little too small to be practical for it. Also, CDisplay is my favorite comic reading app, and it's not on Mac.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 31, 2011, 11:52:51 AM
Is there a retail market for Western comics in Japan? Do any stores import them?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 31, 2011, 03:52:58 PM
Is there a retail market for Western comics in Japan? Do any stores import them?

There are a few stores here and there that do import comics, but they are marked-up.  I paid like 800 yen for one issue of a JLA comic once.

Some comics are also translated into Japanese.  The manga section at a bookstore I used to frequent had some old early 90's era X-Men graphic novels available.  Never saw anyone looking at them though, and they were placed right beside the hentai-porn-whatever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 31, 2011, 04:46:11 PM
I hate this DC reboot- I was just getting into stuff again- motherfuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 31, 2011, 06:26:30 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH3W1gQYiD4[/youtube]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 31, 2011, 06:43:06 PM
On August 31st, everything you were following will go away and you'll lose interest and stop buying comics for a while
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on August 31, 2011, 06:49:06 PM
[youtube=560,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH3W1gQYiD4[youtube]
[/quote]

Has HarleyQuinn (sp?) been part of the DCU before?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 31, 2011, 07:35:24 PM
Has HarleyQuinn (sp?) been part of the DCU before?

Your link is broken, and yes, though she originated in the Dini-verse.

(http://www.letsbefriendsagain.com/comics/2011-08-31.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 31, 2011, 07:40:16 PM
I read Anya's Ghost last night. It's a young adult story I guess but I enjoyed it a lot. Neil Gaiman calls it a masterpiece on the cover blurb which is going a bit far, but still, it is a great little story, beautifully told.  My kid had a ball looking through it too.

Preview chapter here:
http://firstsecondbooks.com/anyas/anya.html
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 31, 2011, 07:47:50 PM
yeah my gr grabbed it from the library.  Damn good read
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 31, 2011, 08:35:54 PM
I hate this DC reboot- I was just getting into stuff again- motherfuck

Yup, lots of stuff just went right into the toilet with clearly-rushed endings.  But whatever; as long as some good stories are told, I'll check out some of these comics.

Complete Flashpoint storyline is up on the interwebs now.  Will read that before all these new books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 01, 2011, 02:33:27 PM
My two word review of Justice League of America v2 #1:

"SHIT"

("SANDWICH" won't appear until JLA v2 #2)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 01, 2011, 03:14:02 PM
[youtube=560,345]-ruDdcd8G-g[/youtube]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 01, 2011, 03:20:41 PM
My two word review of Justice League of America v2 #1:

"SHIT"

("SANDWICH" won't appear until JLA v2 #2)

BODES WELL!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 01, 2011, 04:05:10 PM
My two word review of Justice League of America v2 #1:

"SHIT"

("SANDWICH" won't appear until JLA v2 #2)

The only thing that could have made it better is if at the part where the guys are talking about Vic Stone and they're like "He's like a tank out there!" if they had been "He's like a robot or something...like a Cyborg!" Man, that would pushed it into best comic ever territory.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 01, 2011, 08:37:39 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/01/dc-fifty-too-rugg-lewis-culver-rolston/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 01, 2011, 08:44:33 PM
Quote
I've always thought Plastic Man worked best in the way Jack Cole originally intended him - as a perfectly sane man in an utterly insane world. As much as I've enjoyed the 'wacky' Plas from other stories, I've always enjoyed it more when Plas is a flexible and unflappable straight man and everyone else around him provides the absurdity.

this guy gets it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 01, 2011, 10:00:52 PM
Did you ever see the Art Spiegelman/Chip Kidd book on Jack Cole and Plastic Man? It's amazing, check it out if you get the chance.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 01, 2011, 10:12:58 PM
I own it :heart
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on September 02, 2011, 02:00:14 AM
Quote
Marvel Fan Letter of the Day: Way back in 1964, Marvel received a fan letter about The Avengers and The Fantastic Four from an opinionated 16-year-old kid named George R.R. Martin.

Yep, that’s the same GRRM who went on to write A Song of Ice and Fire and see his work adapted into an HBO series.

The teenage Martin had high praise for Stan Lee’s “fast-paced action and solid characterization,” but disliked a handful of villains, including the Moleman, Diablo, the Puppet Master and the Thinker.

The letter was unearthed by comics writer (and Coheed and Cambria frontman) Claudio Sanchez, while reading through old issues during a power outage.

(http://tdwgeeks.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/3bb2c3f5-40a4-4b86-901f-6da9e13cf12d.jpg)
(http://www.marvelmasterworks.com/marvel/mm/ff/images/lp_ff020_2.jpg)
http://geeks.thedailywh.at/2011/08/31/marvel-fan-letter-of-the-day/

lol awesome. I remember writing letters to Uncanny X-Men as a kid, but I never got published
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 02, 2011, 09:11:15 AM
Did you ever see the Art Spiegelman/Chip Kidd book on Jack Cole and Plastic Man? It's amazing, check it out if you get the chance.

god it's so depressing.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 06, 2011, 08:48:02 AM
Supergods is making me read a lot of things I would never consider reading.

Like Captain Marvel and Warlock.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 06, 2011, 10:30:22 AM
I've read most of those two already, but I read the Kree-Skrull War a few weeks back for the same reason. It has its moments but it doesn't really hold up. He's right about everyone always being furious in the 70s according to Marvel though :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 07, 2011, 10:38:46 AM
so Justice League #1 is shit?  I've got a subscription to the new Batman, Superman, Batman The Dark Knight and Ultimate Spiderman. 

How is Ultimate Fallout?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 11:52:22 AM
Justice League #1 is so bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 07, 2011, 11:59:05 AM
Bobobobobo green lantern is all cocky funny and superman is wearing a star trek uniform!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 07, 2011, 12:07:57 PM
 :(

Glad I didn't subscribe I guess.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 12:17:32 PM
i love JL and I was even able to find stuff to enjoy during Meltzer's run but this?  Godawful.  No idea how it's supposed to draw in new consumers and keep them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 07, 2011, 01:30:27 PM
crap.  will pirate I guess and jump in if it gets good.

anyone reading the current run of amazing spiderman?  It's been forever since i've read it but I went ahead and jumped in on it since spidey is my favorite
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 07, 2011, 02:06:59 PM
read Action Comics #1 this morning. not bad, I like Morrison's blue-collar socialist Superman

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Intergang!  :heart
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 02:22:11 PM
I like Morrison's blue-collar socialist Superman

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Intergang!  :heart
[close]

omg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 07, 2011, 02:22:36 PM
ah crap.  i took a trip on my lunch break to the comic book store (picked up ultimate fallout #1 and wonder woman #601) but forgot about action comics #1. booooooooo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 07, 2011, 02:42:55 PM
now that Eric has read it, I kinda want to go into how bad JL #1 is

Action Comics #1 would have been much better as your "meet the new 52" lead - the Superman is distinctly different from old-continunity Superman in several ways, stuff actually happens, and it ends on a pretty great cliffhanger for the first issue

instead of reheated Johns
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 03:47:15 PM
JL1 made me hate batman and feel embarrassed for green lantern.

but hey, at least no one got their arm ripped out of their socket, so Johns is improving there!

today i get The New Teen Titans Omnibus.  I am excited.  640 pages of teen angst! Big hair!  Short Shorts!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2011, 06:05:39 PM
today i get The New Teen Titans Omnibus.  I am excited.  640 pages of teen angst! Big hair!  Short Shorts!

Real comic books :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 06:47:44 PM
it's amazing.  it's oversized so you can marvel in the detail that goes into Perez's pencils.  The paper stock is the quality slick stuff not the shit newsprint they used for Kirby (poor Kirby).  It has issues 1-20, Tales of the Teen Titans and some promo material.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 07, 2011, 09:00:05 PM
Woke up and bought 11 comics on comixology before getting out of bed :bow iPad :bow2

Only read Action Comics - awesome - starting on OMAC next.

Of course Justice League was bad. Not a spark of originality anywhere but what else can you expect from Johns? Weirdly, I think this is their idea of playing it safe - providing the exact sort of pap that has been shrinking the comics audience for several decades now. The 'best-selling' creators of this generation on the book with the most famous characters is their idea of a winning formula. Compare to, you know, Stan and Jack. Up against the wall, they create the Fantastic Four.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2011, 09:10:18 PM
ACTION IS SO GOOD.

here's hoping for the jliww.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 07, 2011, 09:40:30 PM
OMAC - KIRBY THRILL POWER! AND 4TH WORLD! Awesome

Action is fucking great. I knew the general direction Morrison was going in from interviews, but it was still decidedly fresh. One nit to pick - those people in the train would have been fucking jelly
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2011, 10:25:53 AM
I read Action Comics #1 last night. 

Man!  That was fucking awesome.  I'm pretty damn pumped for the next issue
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 10:30:45 AM
yay

ACTION > OMAC > ANIMAL MAN > STORMWATCH so far

Swamp Thing will probably make it in there too once i get a chance to read it. The word is good. Nothing else really stands out or seems worth sticking with, but I reckon they're doing pretty well so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 11:24:04 AM
I read Animal Man #1 - it was alright. I really like the way the clean art contrasts with the graphic tone - animal powers as Cronenbergian body horror, rendered with storyboarded precision. I'm hoping the narrative picks up a bit, but it wasn't JL paced or anything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 08, 2011, 11:31:26 AM
DC's iPad app takes too long to update- my DC WinPhone 7 app was updated first wtffff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2011, 11:32:58 AM
so OMAC is good stuff?  I'm looking for another issue to pick up tomorrow at the store.  I'm getting Ultimate Fallout #2, Spiderman #252 and I want something else. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 11:43:20 AM
for god's sake don't buy Ultimate Fallout
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2011, 11:50:40 AM
well dammit!  I asked earlier for opinions.  I read #1 and it was super short and well uh nothing happened.

Will I need to read it for the new ultimate spiderman?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 11:55:57 AM
not unless you are a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, no. The set-up for a new #1 is gonna be uber-simple. At the end of the 6-ish series, I still know next to nothing about the new Spidey. The whole thing was a horrible waste of time and energy. Glad I didn't waste any cash on it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2011, 11:57:24 AM
well gay-o. 

I'll skip out on the rest then.  I'll just read them in the shop  mwahahahaha
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2011, 12:00:18 PM
If I wanna jump in on xmen, which one should I buy?  I haven't read an xmen comic in years.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 12:03:03 PM
I read Animal Man #1 - it was alright. I really like the way the clean art contrasts with the graphic tone - animal powers as Cronenbergian body horror, rendered with storyboarded precision. I'm hoping the narrative picks up a bit, but it wasn't JL paced or anything.

One thing I loved was the slow open. Starting with a page of text takes balls, but using a double page splash on a tableaux of a family making dinner and chit-chatting? That takes some balls, especially in a first issue. Lemire really has a handle on the slow build-up of tension that is needed for true horror. He also has the voice for Buddy down - I felt comfortable with it right away. That said, if you were comparing it to Morrison's Animal Man I'd have to agree with 'alright'. I thought it was easily as interesting as say, Sweet Tooth or American Vampire though, which is a lot more realistic an expectation I think.

Swamp Thing was ok, pretty good start but I wasn't riveted. I've never felt the concept had any value unless you had Alan Moore writing it, and let's face it, Alan Moore can write anything. It's a stoner comic that is always gonna take a while to get anywhere so I guess I have to commit to half dozen issues at least.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 12:05:20 PM
If I wanna jump in on xmen, which one should I buy?  I haven't read an xmen comic in years.

Uncanny I guess but sadly it's mired in the middle of this whole Fear Itself abortion for another few months. You'll be neck-deep in continuity before you get 5 pages in, but fuck it, that's cape comics for you. None of it is so complex that you can't catch up fast.

If you just want to be entertained, I'd say just pick up some older trades - the New X-men ones (if you are feeling a bit daring) or the Whedon Astonishing X-men trade (if you crave something more familiar and approachable).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 08, 2011, 12:23:50 PM
i looked for a jumping on point for marvel and i can't seem to find one.  i think the last one was right before civil war?  so i gave up and am just reading trades of older stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 12:33:09 PM
It's just been one big rolling mega-event for like 10 years now. I wouldn't worry about it - if there is a creative team that interests you, jump in whenever. It's not like it makes any fucking sense anyway :lol  I mean, they recently went through something called 'The Heroic Age' - all the books got branded with this. I double-dare anyone to tell me what this actually meant for any books that didn't have Steve Rogers in it though. Basically, he became head of SHIELD. It was billed as this line-wide change in tone - all the superheroes would be like accepted and happy and inspirational and shit. Were they fuck :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 01:09:55 PM
It's just been one big rolling mega-event for like 10 years now. I wouldn't worry about it - if there is a creative team that interests you, jump in whenever. It's not like it makes any fucking sense anyway :lol  I mean, they recently went through something called 'The Heroic Age' - all the books got branded with this. I double-dare anyone to tell me what this actually meant for any books that didn't have Steve Rogers in it though. Basically, he became head of SHIELD. It was billed as this line-wide change in tone - all the superheroes would be like accepted and happy and inspirational and shit. Were they fuck :lol

Yeah, it's kind of ludicrous. A few weeks ago I went back and read Pak's Incredible Hercules run (because Amadeus Cho  :heart) and it was one giant line-spanning clusterfuck after another. It was kind of hilarious because a 2.5 year, 30 issue run has all this shit like Asgard in Kansas, Dark Avengers, Osborn as Iron Patriot, Secret Invasion etc. etc. etc. that I had completely forgotten about, just lying around the edges. It's completely ludicrous comics.

One thing I loved was the slow open. Starting with a page of text takes balls, but using a double page splash on a tableaux of a family making dinner and chit-chatting? That takes some balls, especially in a first issue. Lemire really has a handle on the slow build-up of tension that is needed for true horror. He also has the voice for Buddy down - I felt comfortable with it right away. That said, if you were comparing it to Morrison's Animal Man I'd have to agree with 'alright'. I thought it was easily as interesting as say, Sweet Tooth or American Vampire though, which is a lot more realistic an expectation I think.

"Alright" is pretty high praise from me for a DC/Marvel book - it means it's something I'll continue reading and supporting with my dollars, which is pretty rarified company. And you're right - the family scenes and the slow burn do really add to the overall tone, so complaining "this is slow" is not really fair. I mentioned to the woman last night as I was reading it that one of the things I like most about Animal Man is that he has a real family that's not just there to get kidnapped or shoved into refrigerators, and that the family drama is on par in importance with the superheroics. While it can seem kind of like trite legacy hero brand extension for some heroes, for Buddy I think bringing Maxine into the fold is a really good direction for the book. You are also right that the tone of Buddy's dialogue and "everyguy"ness was nailed straight from the start.

I think it's worth noting that (for the first arc, at least) DC now has me supporting two books in digital monthly - Action Comics and Animal Man - which is $6 more per month than they were getting from me before. If they'd just gone day-and-date digital without a full systemic reboot, I doubt I would have taken a look at any of the wares. So, chalk some up at least a partial victory for the "new 52."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 08, 2011, 01:13:45 PM
Bah, I'll just jump into some random xmen ones and see what catches my eye then.  Maybe start with some of the classics.

Local shop is out of animal man and swamp thing.  Fuuuuu 

He's got two copies of OMAC left.  Hopefully they're still there by the time I get off work.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 08, 2011, 01:46:23 PM
I mean, they recently went through something called 'The Heroic Age' - all the books got branded with this. I double-dare anyone to tell me what this actually meant for any books that didn't have Steve Rogers in it though. Basically, he became head of SHIELD. It was billed as this line-wide change in tone - all the superheroes would be like accepted and happy and inspirational and shit. Were they fuck :lol

I thought that the "Heroic Age" branding was just being used to show that Dark Reign was over and the good guys were back in charge.

It also appears that the Dark Avengers are coming back soon, too.   :lol

Bah, I'll just jump into some random xmen ones and see what catches my eye then.  Maybe start with some of the classics.

Local shop is out of animal man and swamp thing.  Fuuuuu 

He's got two copies of OMAC left.  Hopefully they're still there by the time I get off work.

If you're looking for current X-Men comics, try the regular X-Men line.  It only started up a little over a year ago.  Also check out Uncanny X-Force.  It's pretty much self-contained and ignores all the other shit going on in the other X books.  Ditto for the various Wolverine books (Wolverine, The Best There Is, X-23, and Daken Dark Wolverine).

But all the X team books are about to get revamped.  There's currently a miniseries called "Schism" going on that's going to split the X-Men into two main factions in a month or two, lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on September 08, 2011, 02:00:41 PM
is the new ultimate spidey's powers/origin set for some big reveal or something? I looked on wiki and there was next too nothing about the actual character
 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 08, 2011, 06:08:01 PM
Full reveal of Cyclops' team(s) post-schism:

(http://i.imgur.com/PGMc3.jpg)

Psylocke, Domino, Vampire-Jubilee, and Warpath being there makes no sense whatsoever. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 08, 2011, 07:18:35 PM
T. Hawk?!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2011, 07:47:53 PM
I ordered The New Teen Titans Omnibus 1 and Aquaman: Death of a Prince. 70's DC all over mah face.  :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 08, 2011, 08:58:21 PM
Uncanny X-Force is FUCKING GOD TIER

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 09, 2011, 09:52:30 AM
T. Hawk?!

 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 09, 2011, 12:57:21 PM
animal man: good tense buildup and the payoff was fucking excellent. I loved it.  i actually gave an audible what the fuck

Omac and  swamp thing: both were interesting but could go either way I guess. Omac had awesome action and swamp thing had great atmosphere. Best thing about swamp thing is that it totally nails a b movie feel in dialogue and art.

So far from dc...

Action comics = animal man > swamp thing > omac >>>>>>>>>>>>>> JL
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 09, 2011, 11:26:51 PM
I picked up 'Class War' on comixology 'cause I wanted to check out more of Travel Foreman's art. It's pretty solid Authority-esque real world cape stuff, but his art is pretty crazy. It reminds me a lot of Leinil Yu but he must draw like 4x the size of the printed page 'cause his line is about the thinnest I've ever seen. (He only does the last 3 issues btw, Trevor Hairsine does the first 3)

If you're on comixology, I would recommend the 'Alec: Years Have Pants' omnibus by Eddie Campbell, and 'Infinite Kung-fu' by Kagan McLeod. Both are great value for money. I bought the former but unfortunately had already bought the latter on paper first. Would have much preferred the digital version due to shelf-space issues. Oh well.

Turning to more obscuro stuff, I just got my copy of 'Forming' by Jesse Moynihan. It's a seriously abstract creation myth. Looks really good so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 12, 2011, 09:59:58 AM
Did anyone read the batman detective comics #1?  That shit was pretty damn good.  I'm going to keep picking that one up as well. 

I picked up The Stand and The Dark Tower Gunslinger.  They're both damn good if you're a fan of the books. 

I also picked up Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep: Dust to Dust but haven't gotten started yet.  Anyone read it?

I found a copy of Spiderman #300 (first venom issue) and #252 (first symbiote issue).  W00t w00t.  Gonna pick them up later this week.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on September 12, 2011, 10:40:13 AM
I read the first bit of Do Androids... and wasn't super moved by it. It was the novel, with all the dialog intact. I dunno; it's a nice idea, but it's overly loyal to the source material.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 12, 2011, 10:59:11 AM
wasn't a fan of Detective #1, Mups. He was trying pretty hard but other than that last wtf page, nothing about it grabbed me. He's probably read DKR a few too many times, I think.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 12, 2011, 11:46:04 AM
I read the first bit of Do Androids... and wasn't super moved by it. It was the novel, with all the dialog intact. I dunno; it's a nice idea, but it's overly loyal to the source material.
I haven't gotten to the actual novel one (I've never read the novel either but always wanted to).  I'm on Dust to Dust which is supposed to be a prequel of sorts.  Other than showing certain bits of information like it's a tweet (which grates the fuck out of me) it's pretty interesting.  A bit slow, but considering what it's going for I can handle that for now.

wasn't a fan of Detective #1, Mups. He was trying pretty hard but other than that last wtf page, nothing about it grabbed me. He's probably read DKR a few too many times, I think.
Maybe I liked it because I've never read any of the DK stuff (subbed at the local shop for #1 though).  I've never been much of a reader of the different Batmans so it was definitely a different batman than I'm used to.

If it means anything for new Batman fans though, my wife was really intrigued by it too so maybe it'll actually do a good job of attracting some new audiences.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 12, 2011, 04:26:24 PM
I love that the artist of Detective Comics #1 is totally obsessed with hero shots of Batman and super-detailed cityscapes. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 12, 2011, 09:31:49 PM
Well, he can sell off the original art for thousands of dollars if there are lots of 'iconic' poses - like that double page splash that features exactly the same pose that Paul Pope starts Batman Year 100 with...

Mups, if you like Detective, read the Dark Knight Returns to start, I say. It's still awesome. And by all means, don't let me stop you from sticking with Detective...i've read a bazillion Batman books and am jaded.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on September 13, 2011, 08:54:32 AM
Time to re-read The Invisibles.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 13, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
Isn't it always? Well, until late 2012 that is, then time sort of ceases to exist in any linearly experiential fashion
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 13, 2011, 02:09:01 PM
Mups, if you like Detective, read the Dark Knight Returns to start, I say. It's still awesome. And by all means, don't let me stop you from sticking with Detective...i've read a bazillion Batman books and am jaded.
Cool.  I'll order the dark knight returns tonight.  Never read any Frank Miller stuff but I've always heard good things.  I'll give it a shot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 13, 2011, 02:49:14 PM
The Dark Knight Returns is absolutely insane in an awesome way.

On the other hand, The Dark Knight Strikes Again is absolutely insane in a really bad way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 13, 2011, 04:41:06 PM
Why is there no Absolute Invisibles?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 13, 2011, 07:32:10 PM
Well, it barely sold when it was being published. It avoided cancellation only by the unleashing of the seed of its 10,000 readers in a mighty magickal working of Morrison's devising.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 13, 2011, 10:25:08 PM
If everyone on Evilbore faps together, what do you think we'd be able to get with that?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 13, 2011, 10:35:02 PM
we haven't had much luck so far
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 13, 2011, 10:37:48 PM
seriously, i'm not sure I'd really want an Absolute Invisibles. The art is all over the place, and it would have to be 4 or 5 volumes, which is a huge commitment on the part of DC.

I am kind of baffled as to why there is no Absolute Batman Year One yet. It's short, but Mazzuchelli stuffed the hardcover with plenty of cool extras that could pad out an Absolute. Artistically and financially, it seems like a shoe-in.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 15, 2011, 01:19:22 PM
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Post by: Mupepe on September 15, 2011, 01:23:44 PM
Did anyone read Batman and Robin #1?  I picked it up today on a whim since they forgot to pull my ultimate spidey #1 so I gotta wait til 2nd shipments come in Monday. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 15, 2011, 06:28:38 PM
WTF, they didn't need to sex up Amanda Waller, she was awesome the way she was. DC  :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 15, 2011, 09:08:56 PM
Did anyone read Batman and Robin #1?  I picked it up today on a whim since they forgot to pull my ultimate spidey #1 so I gotta wait til 2nd shipments come in Monday. 

I thought it was ok, better than when the same guy wrote it before. Damian was written better, and there were a few good lines. But nothing much new or exciting and I doubt I'll stick with it very long.

Of this week, Batwoman was the standout just 'cause it looks so fucking amazing. Demon Knights was fun, much preferred it to Stormwatch. And of all things, Superboy was surprisingly good. Still got a few to read but nothing else looks very promising.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 15, 2011, 09:22:23 PM
Did anyone read Batman and Robin #1?  I picked it up today on a whim since they forgot to pull my ultimate spidey #1 so I gotta wait til 2nd shipments come in Monday. 

Haven't read Batman and Robin yet, but you didn't miss anything in Ultimate Spider-Man #1.  Slooooooooooooow-paced as hell.

His origin is also
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2011, 09:54:44 AM
You think they'd have tighter security around the radioactive spider lab.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 10:08:47 AM
I'm not going to hit that spoiler :lol

I figured it'd be slow which is why I'm not too annoyed with the fact they didn't pull it.  I can wait.  The Spiderman "big issues" from what I can tell don't have a history of being "omg so good".  I always find the in between filler fights way more exciting.  Anytime they try to do something huge it mostly falls flat IMO.  They usually take their sweet time picking up steam.

I might pick up Superboy today or Batwoman.  If I can find Frankenstein I'll pick that up.  I heard it was pretty good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 16, 2011, 10:42:08 AM
Download them and see for yourself!

I quit buying comics.  I read the CBRs and then order the TPBs for the storylines I like off Amazon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 10:45:19 AM
Eh, I've always been a physical media/original issue kind of guy.  I don't mind dropping 3 bucks to check out a comic and if it sucks I just won't buy again.  When I get a tablet I'll probably download some just for the convenience, but as of right now I hate reading them on my laptop or PC or phone and the closest thing I have to a tablet is a 2nd gen Kindle.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 10:47:09 AM
I still buy TPBs from time to time, but for current stuff its ipad2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 10:50:16 AM
how does the digital delivery stuff work?  do they just email it to you when it comes out?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 11:05:27 AM
That I dunno, I just check the comic apps on release days- I think DC has made more of a commitment to same day online releases with this reboot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 11:29:04 AM
Sadly, this might be what actually pushes me to buy a tablet.  Hmmm
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 16, 2011, 11:42:02 AM
I was a big CBR guy, but Comixology is so easy post new-52 that I'm picking stuff up I'm interested in legitimately. Score one for DC!

You can set up a notification in the app to buzz you when a series on your "pull list" has a new issue out. I think you can subscribe & auto-pay, too, but you may have to do that through the website ... still figuring it out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 11:49:30 AM
well the biggest thing I want out of the digital subs are access to all the old libraries.  that'd be sweet
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 12:28:59 PM
theyre working on that too- at a slower pace of course. I did notice all o Age of Apocalypse is digital these days- I have the TPBs though since that was such a badass run.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 01:03:06 PM
I thought marvel already had all their back stuff up?  Or is it just like all the big name ones like amazing spiderman, etc?

i went to the store on my lunch break and checked out a nice copy of the dark knight returns.  Maaaaaan.  That is a sweet fucking cover.  Bah.  65 bucks though.  I'll get the TPB first (only 14 bucks) and then depending on if/how much I love it I'll probably end up grabbing the issues at some point.  1st issue was 65, 2nd was 45, 3rd was 30 and the 4th was 20. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 01:08:53 PM
big names probably? I use their marvel ipad app and I im pretty sure not everything is on there. Like AVENGERS WEST COAST I want to read some back issues of that for nostalgia
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 01:22:06 PM
From what I'm reading there's no Marvel Android app.  WTF.  Bah.  I knew they didn't have one for WP7.  But apparently marvel doesn't care about putting it on anything but app store.  Eh.  I was planning on getting an ipad anyways since there isn't a real contender and I don't think a windows 8 tablet will be out anytime soon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 01:36:45 PM
DC has a WP7 app at least- but honestly a full sized tablet is the way to go for reading comics digitally
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 01:46:38 PM
what's the difference between an ipad and ipad2? 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 02:25:19 PM
weight, speed, front facing camera, auto-brightness (using front facing camera) s'bout it. I upgraded from 1 to 2 the instant I was in a store with one in stock- and I laughed at the first ipad lol

Edit: Oh, and 3G carrier- iirc ipad1 uses at&t while ipad2 is Verizon
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Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 02:37:22 PM
eh i guess i'll be shelling out for one.  thanks, dude.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 02:38:41 PM
its worth the purchase, and I was a hugeeeee ipad hater back in the day
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Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 02:59:51 PM
i've just been hoping a serious contender would show up like alternatives did for the iphone.  But it doesn't seem to be happening. 
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 03:10:19 PM
I think its still a safe buy - i think competition is coming, just not in the short term
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Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 03:29:41 PM
i wish the windows 8 tablets were out already :'(
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 16, 2011, 04:27:07 PM
I read Birds of Prey: Endrun and Green Lantern: Emerald Warriors today. Endrun was okay, chicks beating the crap out of each other for seven issues if you're into that kind of thing. 10/10 Emerald Warriors was all just build up to the War of the Green Lanterns, and Guy Gardner was hardly even a dick anyone. 3/10
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 06:19:57 PM
I like that batgirl is back, batwoman too. Suicide squad looks like an even crazier secret six, but while it was a guilty pleasure, power girl had good writing and now it's gone
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 16, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
I like that batgirl is back, batwoman too. Suicide squad looks like an even crazier secret six, but while it was a guilty pleasure, power girl had good writing and now it's gone

Power Girl was a mercy killing. After Justin Gray, Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner left it turned sour pretty fast.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 06:34:07 PM
I've only read up to the last 7 issues? TPBs. Where did these folks go? Any new 52 series by them?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 16, 2011, 07:59:56 PM
Palmiotti and Grey are doing All Star Western, basically a continuation of their Jonah Hex book. Should be great.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 16, 2011, 08:19:44 PM
Just bought Frankenstein. Pretty good, and I'll follow through the first arc, but not as great as Animal Man #1.

On that note, why the hell are digital comics the same price as print? I'll keep up with a series or two at $2.99, but at $1.99 I'd read almost anything I'm interested in, and at $0.99 I'd buy Rob Liefeld's Hawk and Dove just to laugh at the teeth on my iPad.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 08:24:15 PM
Yeah 2.99 is steep but we went through this with digital distribution of PC games too. Rob liefelds stuff should be free tho
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Post by: Mupepe on September 16, 2011, 08:24:47 PM
Today I got severed #1 and added #2 to my pull list for next week. I also got batgirl, batwoman, the Simpsons, green lantern and superboy. Im about to head to another store and hope they have Frankenstein. I also got in 15 back issues of ranma 1/2 that my wife ordered. I'll read them  *shrug*
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Post by: bork on September 16, 2011, 08:27:16 PM
I like that batgirl is back, batwoman too. Suicide squad looks like an even crazier secret six, but while it was a guilty pleasure, power girl had good writing and now it's gone

Power Girl was a mercy killing. After Justin Gray, Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner left it turned sour pretty fast.

The book went in a completely different direction with them gone.  It actually started out all right at first, but then went to shit with the whole Max Lord resurrection storyline.  Awful, awful shit.

I've only read up to the last 7 issues? TPBs. Where did these folks go? Any new 52 series by them?

Rumor has it that they are all going to be working on a new DC series.  Hope it's true!

Also if you missed Terra, grab it-- TPB or four issue limited series (plus Supergirl #13) from the same people.  Power Girl is in too!
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 08:29:43 PM
Yeah I have Terra and the first three PG TPBs. I'll keep an eye out for a new series, they make some good stuff
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Post by: Eric P on September 16, 2011, 08:30:47 PM
I also got in 15 back issues of ranma 1/2 that my wife ordered. I'll read them  *shrug*

I liked Ranma but it's been lik 13 years since I read it
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 16, 2011, 08:54:13 PM
Just bought Frankenstein. Pretty good, and I'll follow through the first arc, but not as great as Animal Man #1.

On that note, why the hell are digital comics the same price as print? I'll keep up with a series or two at $2.99, but at $1.99 I'd read almost anything I'm interested in, and at $0.99 I'd buy Rob Liefeld's Hawk and Dove just to laugh at the teeth on my iPad.

The plan is for all the 2.99 books to drop to 1.99 a month after release. Not ideal but it's a start. Between that, the absurdly high yen vs the dollar, and the sales, I don't feel too ripped off these days. Everyone wants a subscription buffet model but it's not even being hinted at at this point.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 16, 2011, 08:55:33 PM
Im a fool with money, ill pay 2.99 for day one releases of stuff I follow- but im much less likely to check out anything new until a month afte release then
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 16, 2011, 09:52:21 PM
Well, most people I know don't stick to any kind of a plan. They buy books in comic stores, trades from amazon, new digital, old digital, torrent scans...whatever option is most appealing at the time. I think it makes sense to have the $2 price point out there. If you hear about a great run on a book you missed, you can go back and pick up all the back issues reasonably cheaply without feeling like a total idiot for paying more than the TPB would cost.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 17, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
I also got in 15 back issues of ranma 1/2 that my wife ordered. I'll read them  *shrug*

I liked Ranma but it's been lik 13 years since I read it
I'm only familiar with the anime.  But my wife was reading them last night and laughing her ass off. 
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2011, 11:56:43 AM
I also got in 15 back issues of ranma 1/2 that my wife ordered. I'll read them  *shrug*

I liked Ranma but it's been lik 13 years since I read it
I'm only familiar with the anime.  But my wife was reading them last night and laughing her ass off. 

The anime and the manga are essentially the same, as far as I know.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 17, 2011, 11:58:17 AM
ah ok cool.  my wife is obsessed with the anime and is now going nuts on the manga.  I just ordered the next 13 issues for her :lol

As for me, should I pick up Watchmen or V for Vendetta?  Never read either.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 17, 2011, 01:53:04 PM
As for me, should I pick up Watchmen or V for Vendetta? 

Yes.
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Post by: HyperZoneWasAwesome on September 20, 2011, 01:31:35 AM
so I've been really enjoying the Vertigo Crime imprint lately.  I just finished all the currently published ones, with just a few left for release before DC kills the brand.  They also republished A History of Violence, which is fugging ace.  They're all stand alone (save for the Hellblazer story Dark Entries), pulpish usually noir-ish stories, printed in black and white with a strong ehphasis on flawed protagonists.  Even the weaker books are still kinda okay (The Chill kinda sucks, but at least has a neat premise).  Lotsa nice violence usually too.

I'd rank them like this.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61piA4ePVsL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
The Executor-is a murder mystery set on a broke-ass Mohawk reservation, not unlike the Val Kilmer film Thunderheart, but way bleaker.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51L6BS2WEML._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
The Bronx Kill-if the plot weren't so simple it'd be #1, but its easily the best written title of this bunch.  A writers new book, a historical thriller, begins to have uncomfortable similarities to his real life.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51B6xv1JUyL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Area 10 -a supernatural mystery where a detective gets all sorts of cool psychic powers after accidentally getting trepinated on the job.  Dueling psychics are never not cool.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/514pnSOxKBL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Fogtown-a worn down and shaggy private eye in silver age San Francisco investigates all those bothersome dead sex worker and gay people that keep turning up.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51D6HZqFPFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Noche Roja -disappearing factory workers in a Mexican border town reactivates a shady PI's sense of duty.  Great art in this one.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51OzjJp3ZIL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
A Sickness in the Family -a pseudo retelling of Poe's The Fall of the House of Usher.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51asm3R4iDL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Dark Entries  -John Constantine takes an ill advised job as a contestant on a haunted reality show.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51xmA--p1rL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Rat Catcher -some mystery super-assassin keeps knocking off fed witnesses.  Not a great plot, but pretty good sorta-manga style art here.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51JQ-qLJJdL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
Filthy Rich-ex-athelete tries his hand at selling expensive cars, and wooing a dangerous dame.
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Sl%2BxVTaUL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)
The Chill -irresistible morphing sex-bomb killer tearing its way through NYC, who can stop her and her pshychoctic Dad?

there's but a few straggler titles left for me to read, I'm looking forward to raiding my local and very cool library system for them.  Check some of em out for a nice little slice of inhumanity and meanness.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 20, 2011, 01:45:27 PM
Picked up a few things over the last few days

The Dark Knight Returns #2
Ranma 1/2 Part 3 - All 13 issues
Sailor Moon Volume 1
Codename: Sailor V Volume 1
The Dark Tower: Gunslinger Born 1-7
Spiderman #300
Superboy (surprisingly damn good)
Legions Lost (really entertained by this one)
Ultimate Comics Captain America #1 - This was pretty entertaining too.  Need to get it ASAP
Captain America #1 and #2
The Punisher #1, #2 and #3
I picked up a few of the 28 Days Later comics
Venom #5 and #6

Not a bad haul for the weekend and I still have a bit to read so I'm excited.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 22, 2011, 07:33:46 AM
Hyperzone - have you got the Green River Killer GN? It just showed up from amazon, looks great. Seems like you'd dig it. Also the various Criminal minis - the latest one was the strongest yet, and the best thing I've read from Brubaker in forever.

I'm reading waaaaaaay too much shit to talk about but the standout right now is Infinite Kungfu, which you can sample a huge chunk of here: http://www.infinitekungfu.com/

It's also cheap on comixology, although i'm reading it on paper. It's basically one long crazy kung-fu epic, and played straighter than you might think at first. Mix in some blaxploitation, zombies and western tropes and it pretty much SCREAMS 'Joe Molotov' on every page.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 22, 2011, 07:40:04 AM
meh, took a pic of some new arrivals to save time

(http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6164/6171578651_3d7c07a668.jpg)

Also really enjoyed Atomic Robo on comixology - uber cheap. Kind of a light-hearted science take on Hellboy, lots of fun. The vibe is a bit like Invincible actually.
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Post by: Eric P on September 22, 2011, 09:37:42 AM
Atomic Robo is great comics.  A lot of fun.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 22, 2011, 10:01:34 AM
Stay Calm. Trust In Science.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 22, 2011, 02:40:07 PM
lol wtf @ catwoman #1 ending- GRR Martin guest writer?
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Post by: Mupepe on September 22, 2011, 02:43:32 PM
was Catwoman good?

I cleaned out my box today...

Legion of Superheroes
Nightwing
Wonder Woman
Supergirl
Batman
Severed #2
Captain America #3
Game of Thrones
Ultimate Spiderman
The Stand: Captain Trips #2 and #3
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Post by: bork on September 22, 2011, 02:50:59 PM


Picked up a few things over the last few days

Ranma 1/2 Part 3 - All 13 issues


Was this really cheap?  If not, I would recommend getting the regular manga versions instead.  The newer ones aren't reversed, too.  Ranma is a huge series (like 38 volumes...I think 35-36 in the States though) and Viz Comics quit releasing their stuff in comic book format, going manga format-only around 6-7 years back.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 22, 2011, 02:59:08 PM
Picked up a few things over the last few days

Ranma 1/2 Part 3 - All 13 issues


Was this really cheap?  If not, I would recommend getting the regular manga versions instead.  The newer ones aren't reversed, too.  Ranma is a huge series (like 38 volumes...I think 35-36 in the States though) and Viz Comics quit releasing their stuff in comic book format, going manga format-only around 6-7 years back.
Super cheap.  less than a dollar for each issue.  I got 13 issues for around 12 bucks.  I would get the manga but my wife (and me too actually) prefer issues over TPB's and with most stuff it's about the same or cheaper. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2011, 03:29:47 PM
It's also cheap on comixology, although i'm reading it on paper. It's basically one long crazy kung-fu epic, and played straighter than you might think at first. Mix in some blaxploitation, zombies and western tropes and it pretty much SCREAMS 'Joe Molotov' on every page.

I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. :lol I've been wanting to read it, though.

lol wtf @ catwoman #1 ending- GRR Martin guest writer?

My friend just texted me this morning and said Catwoman kills some guys and then rapes Batman, is this true MAF?  :rapetime
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 22, 2011, 03:43:16 PM
Kinda, I mean he appears to be all into it in the last panel but there's a few panels of her forcing herself on him. Its just kinda awkward to read.

I liked the issue overall, the arts really great imo and I like that shes a lot more crazy than the catwoman I remember from a few months ago while catching up on Sirens.
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Post by: bork on September 22, 2011, 03:52:03 PM
-I liked Action Comics #1.   :o  First time Superman has been interesting to me in...ever.
-Red Hood And The Outlaws was  ???.  I haven't read the previous Red Hood stuff, and Lobdell did a poor job of making his (recent) past easy to follow for new readers.  Some GAFfers are freaking out over Starfire being some kind of free-spirited alien-hippie-type who loves sex, but hasn't that character always been like that?  I never read Titans or Outsiders.
-Supergirl #1 just retcons her coming to Earth...again.  Weird that after the whole no-pants edict and before that, the whole "issue" fanboys had with them giving the character bike shorts under the skirt. 
-Detective #1 was "eh."  Liked Batman And Robin.
-Green Lantern and Red Lantern were fun reads, but both are like Red Hood in that you need to know the older series' backstories.  I've only read Blackest Night.
-Mister Terrific was just all right.  Nothing particularly memorable, and again they do a terrible job of introducing this character to new readers, IMO.
-Static Shock, on the other hand, did it right.
-Resurrection Man was also kind of  ???.  The plot was easy to follow, but again I have no idea who the hell this character is supposed to be and why I should care about him.

Picked up a few things over the last few days

Ranma 1/2 Part 3 - All 13 issues


Was this really cheap?  If not, I would recommend getting the regular manga versions instead.  The newer ones aren't reversed, too.  Ranma is a huge series (like 38 volumes...I think 35-36 in the States though) and Viz Comics quit releasing their stuff in comic book format, going manga format-only around 6-7 years back.
Super cheap.  less than a dollar for each issue.  I got 13 issues for around 12 bucks.  I would get the manga but my wife (and me too actually) prefer issues over TPB's and with most stuff it's about the same or cheaper. 

Yup, larger is nicer...but again they quit doing them in comic format and went manga format only.

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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 22, 2011, 03:56:37 PM
-Supergirl #1 just retcons her coming to Earth...again.  Weird that after the whole no-pants edict and before that, the whole "issue" fanboys had with them giving the character bike shorts under the skirt. 

Bike shorts are awesome, why would anyone complain about them?
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 22, 2011, 03:57:27 PM
Is supergirl less OMG WHINY TEENGIRL now?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2011, 04:03:35 PM
Some GAFfers are freaking out over Starfire being some kind of free-spirited alien-hippie-type who loves sex, but hasn't that character always been like that?  I never read Titans or Outsiders.

Having read quite a bit of the recent runs of Outsiders, Teen Titans, and Titans...yeah, pretty much, at least for the past few years. She was always sunbathing nude at Animal Man's pool or having sex with Nightwing or whatever.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 22, 2011, 04:11:11 PM
Yup, larger is nicer...but again they quit doing them in comic format and went manga format only.

So after a certain point I can only get them in Manga?  Hm.  I'll have to tell my wife it continues then.  she still has a lot of volumes to go through though.
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Post by: bork on September 22, 2011, 04:26:26 PM
Wonder Woman was also a great read.  Completely new direction for the character.  On the Marvel side, Schism #4 FINALLY FINALLY FINALLY gets around to Cyclops and Wolverine having it out.  Shit is too damn slow-paced.  And Spider-Island has been awesome.

-Supergirl #1 just retcons her coming to Earth...again.  Weird that after the whole no-pants edict and before that, the whole "issue" fanboys had with them giving the character bike shorts under the skirt. 

Bike shorts are awesome, why would anyone complain about them?

Fanboys angry over the lack of upskirt panty angles, of course!

Is supergirl less OMG WHINY TEENGIRL now?

Well most of the first issue was Supergirl
spoiler (click to show/hide)
thinking this was a dream
[close]
and acting all :smug, so there's no telling how things will really turn out.  Seems like a different character from the little I have read of the older titles.

Also the hooded lady from the very end of Flashpoint is showing up in some panels in various books:

(http://i.imgur.com/koqsl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/x0egj.jpg)
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Post by: Mupepe on September 22, 2011, 04:28:58 PM
I've picked up some of the last few venom issues and I'm starting up on the latest of Amazing Spiderman.  Is that Spider Island stuff good?  Or is it just the Fear Itself tie-ins that are good?  I keep hearing mixed reviews. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2011, 07:54:08 PM
I finally caught Reboot Fever. I'd held out until now, but this afternoon I went to the store and bought a dozen #1's. Alright Geoff Johns and Dan Didio, you win you sons of bitches.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 22, 2011, 09:56:36 PM
She's been in every single new 52 book, lyte
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 22, 2011, 10:20:42 PM
She's probably a Monitor, getting everyone prepped for Crisis on 52 Earths, beginning November 2012. Thrill as they unretcon all of the retcons that nobody liked and cancel all the series that aren't selling very well. Oh yeah, and it's crosses over all 52 series, so get them wallets open!
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 23, 2011, 03:08:33 AM
this week's DC books were pretty atrocious - Wonder Woman by far the best of the bunch. Batman was disappointing, everything else sucked.
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Post by: bork on September 23, 2011, 08:12:41 AM
Catwoman #1 was okay.  The end was...uh...did we need that in a superhero comic?

She's probably a Monitor, getting everyone prepped for Crisis on 52 Earths, beginning November 2012. Thrill as they unretcon all of the retcons that nobody liked and cancel all the series that aren't selling very well. Oh yeah, and it's crosses over all 52 series, so get them wallets open!

I really do wonder how long this "rebooted" universe is going to last for.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2011, 09:29:34 AM
The scene with Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws was utterly ridiculous. :lol
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Post by: bork on September 23, 2011, 09:41:43 AM
The scene with Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws was utterly ridiculous. :lol

The Catwoman/Batman costume-fetish fuckfest at the end of CW #1 might top it!  :lol
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 23, 2011, 09:44:46 AM
The scene with Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws was utterly ridiculous. :lol

The Catwoman/Batman costume-fetish fuckfest at the end of CW #1 might top it!  :lol

It's definitely close!

:bow New 52 :bow2
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Post by: Mupepe on September 23, 2011, 09:57:12 AM
So was Red Hood bad?  I was going to go find a copy this afternoon but reviews have been lukewarm at best. 

Is Catwoman worth picking up?  How was Nightwing?

Batman was just okay.  It was too much of a slow burn with too small of a payoff.

On the other hand, Severed #2 was fucking awesome. 
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 23, 2011, 10:01:32 AM
You don't need any of the DC books this week, real talk.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 23, 2011, 10:05:13 AM
Bah.  Well I got Nightwing, Supergirl and Wonder Woman already.  Just hadn't read them.  Oh well, I've got plenty of other stuff to read
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Post by: chronovore on September 23, 2011, 10:37:26 AM
She's probably a Monitor, getting everyone prepped for Crisis on 52 Earths, beginning November 2012. Thrill as they unretcon all of the retcons that nobody liked and cancel all the series that aren't selling very well. Oh yeah, and it's crosses over all 52 series, so get them wallets open!

I'm pretty sure you've just outlined their actual plan, so I'll not be taking that bet.
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Post by: bork on September 23, 2011, 10:52:46 AM
You don't need any of the DC books this week, real talk.
Bah.  Well I got Nightwing, Supergirl and Wonder Woman already.  Just hadn't read them.  Oh well, I've got plenty of other stuff to read

I don't agree with Cormac.  If nothing else, Wonder Woman was worth it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 23, 2011, 11:41:49 AM
look up at the top of the page Lyte
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 23, 2011, 11:47:53 AM
I liked Catwoman #1 until the last few pages where the tone shifted all weird-like with the costume sex. Crazy catwoman is honestly the best catwoman.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2011, 12:17:15 PM
Yeah, they had basically turned her completely into a superhero, post-Infinite Crisis. Time to get crazy (but less costume sex, plz). I liked the new Harley Quinn from Suicide Squad too, that looks like it could be a good series.
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Post by: bork on September 23, 2011, 12:55:45 PM
look up at the top of the page Lyte

I know...but look at what I quoted!   :)
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Post by: Himu on September 24, 2011, 03:32:27 AM
Went to the comic store with mups tonight. Picked up IDW's TMNT #2. It was okay. The origin story is...different. In this one, April starts off as a student who keeps splinter and the turtles as pets or science experiments. splinter steals some data or something on a disc and the foot come in to eliminate april and her experiments. They steal the turtles and ooze splinter chases after them. They fall and all of them fall into ooze. A cat sweeps up Raphael in its mouth and gets lost. The turtles have lived in the sewers for 15 months after the fact, still looking for Raph.

It's weird. For one thing, the turtles already have their weapons and seemingly know how to use ninjutsu. Same for Splinter. It makes no sense to me because if they were just science experiments kept by April, then Splinter didn't have the awareness of learning martial arts by watching his master. Not to mention becoming fluent in English in 15 months.

But whatever, it's okay. Oh, and Casey Jones has an alcoholic abusive dad.

Also picked up the latest of my beloved X-Factor.

I'll pick up the dc #1's the rest of this week. From what mup's was telling me Superman sounds interesting this iteration.
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Post by: Himu on September 24, 2011, 03:36:23 AM
Mups, if you like Detective, read the Dark Knight Returns to start, I say. It's still awesome. And by all means, don't let me stop you from sticking with Detective...i've read a bazillion Batman books and am jaded.
Cool.  I'll order the dark knight returns tonight.  Never read any Frank Miller stuff but I've always heard good things.  I'll give it a shot.

if you haven't ordered it yet, i own it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 24, 2011, 08:27:17 PM
Finished reading the new DC #1's that interest me.

Action Comics - A
Detective Comics - C
Superboy - A
Justice League - C
Batman - B +
Batgirl - B
Batwoman - D (amazing art though)
Catwoman - D-
Nightwing - B+
Batman and Robin - C
Green Lantern - C
Wonder Woman - C
Animal Man - A
Swamp Thing - A

Overall I'm really impressed with what DC is doing and I hope they keep it up. Action Comics and Superboy are easily my favorites at this point due to their superior writing, characterization and scenarios and this is coming from someone who's not really that big on Supes, if a fan at all. Can't wait for Superman #1.

One thing I thought was that there are far too many Batman related comics. I honestly think they only need Detective Comics and Batman line. Batman was in like every other issue I've read so far and his stories started to feel muddled and redundant by the end due to how often he's crossing over.

I'm not sure which I should both sticking with aside from Action Comics, Superboy, Batgirl, Justice League, Batman, Swamp Thing, Animal Man, and Nightwing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 25, 2011, 12:10:28 AM
Animal man is sooo good. I was also pretty intrigued by legion lost
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2011, 12:40:12 AM
Yeah, Animal Man was GREAT. So was Swamp Thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2011, 01:50:03 AM
Action comics and Superboy have me on Superman kick. I was huge into Superman as a kid but as I grew older I started to hate him for the exact reasons I loved him as a child: his broken super powers. So I watched superman the movie for the first time since I was 8. It was awesome, surprisingly. What are the best Superman trades so I can arrrrrr 'em?

I wish Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman was on Netflix instant because I loved that show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2011, 12:28:18 PM
What are the best Superman trades so I can arrrrrr 'em?

All-Star Superman
Superman for All Seasons
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 25, 2011, 08:21:43 PM
Birthright, I remember being pretty good. And of course Alan Moore's 'Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?' The JLA stuff by Grant Morrison has lots of great Superman bits also.

I recommend getting a random sampling of the Silver Age crazy shit, just to skim through. It would drive you crazy to actually read but they are fun as hell to look at, even if you never get past the covers. Don't forget the Jimmy Olsen/Lois Lane stuff as well.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2011, 08:46:45 PM
(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/1027_4_115.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/98_4_0377.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/97_4_0000311.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/1027_4_125.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/1027_4_030.jpg)

(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k33/GreatRumbler/luthorstimedevice0sq.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 25, 2011, 09:46:13 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine

perfectly summarizes why red hood and catwoman were hot garbage
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 25, 2011, 09:50:50 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/22/starfire-catwoman-sex-superheroine

perfectly summarizes why red hood and catwoman were hot garbage

Emphasis on "hot", but always garbage, yeah.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 25, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
I atone for my white male guilt by reading Gail Simone's Birds of Prey and Batgirl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2011, 02:04:28 AM
I really liked batgirl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 26, 2011, 02:06:21 AM
batgirl was probably my favorite so far- all the others are really weird. Catwoman had nice art but the sex scene at the end- batwoman was boring, detective comics as kinda all over the place, Batman was boring cause of boring plot blah but I like the art, justice league was a bunch of jerks, suicide squad was promising.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 26, 2011, 07:24:01 AM
now reading miracle man.

i had read two issues previously, but couldn't stand the art on my computer screen.

on the touchpad it's damn near perfect.

fucking awesome stuff.

Billy Baston?  More like Billy Bastard, AMIRITE?!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 26, 2011, 10:58:09 AM
I liked Supergirl *shrug*  Wasn't amazing but it was pretty entertaining.

Wonder Woman was WTF but pretty awesome
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 26, 2011, 11:13:33 AM
A lot of these early issues feel like OMG WE EDGY COOL SEE BLOOD SEX OMG- hopefully they'll get it out of their systems soon
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 26, 2011, 11:15:19 AM
now reading miracle man.

i had read two issues previously, but couldn't stand the art on my computer screen.

on the touchpad it's damn near perfect.

fucking awesome stuff.

Billy Baston?  More like Billy Bastard, AMIRITE?!

kind of amazing how much Agent Smith from the Matrix steals the look, vibe, and behavior of Kid Miracleman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 26, 2011, 11:30:42 AM
I think Animal Man is my favorite so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 26, 2011, 12:27:21 PM
I liked Supergirl *shrug*  Wasn't amazing but it was pretty entertaining.

Wonder Woman was WTF but pretty awesome

i liked supergirl too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 27, 2011, 07:19:06 PM
A 7-year-old responds to the new Starfire (http://io9.com/5844355/a-7+year+old-girl-responds-to-dc-comics-sexed+up-reboot-of-starfire)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 27, 2011, 09:05:51 PM
The DC reboot was never about attracting a new audience.

The DC reboot was all about squeezing more bucks out of the same, old audience.

See: anime, manga
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 27, 2011, 09:19:15 PM
A 7-year-old responds to the new Starfire (http://io9.com/5844355/a-7+year+old-girl-responds-to-dc-comics-sexed+up-reboot-of-starfire)

I think those are all perfectly valid points that DC should definitely consider before putting out something like that again. But a few points:

1) it's a fucking terrible book that NOBODY should be reading
2) it's a fucking terrible book to put in front of a 7yr old
3) DC publishes the Tiny Titans (which has won or been nominated for Eisners I believe) featuring Starfire  - why not give 'em that instead? I got a few issues on comixology to read to my daughter and she thinks it's great
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 27, 2011, 09:22:31 PM
I know there's other points being made and it's not just the clothing, but it's kinda funny how she posts pictures of her daughter with funnybooks featuring scantily-clad Starfire and Supergirl, pre-reboot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 10:26:13 AM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/tumblrls0k9fpe901qhyhwto1500-1317101556.jpeg)
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Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 10:45:13 AM
 :lol :lol

I found a copy of Catwoman.   :yuck  That was the worst thing I've read from the new DC.  It was boring to begin with and then it was just wtf.  Don't think I'll be subscribing to that one.  It's the first time in the new DC stuff where I've felt like I wasted 3 bucks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 10:51:00 AM
If you think Catwoman is bad DON'T READ Red Hood.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 10:53:20 AM
ah fuck.  It can't possibly be worse.  I already ordered a copy of Red Hood.  Oh well. 

I really want to read Resurrection Man but I can't find any copies.  I guess I'll have to buy a digital copy.  Bleh. 
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 11:21:28 AM
NEW 52 GIRLZ WANNA GET LAID! EDGYCOOL! THEY ARNT ATTACHED TO MEN, JUST PLEASURE!

Most of the DC reboot is either incredibly boring or makes me feel uncomfortable.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 11:23:09 AM
I know there's other points being made and it's not just the clothing, but it's kinda funny how she posts pictures of her daughter with funnybooks featuring scantily-clad Starfire and Supergirl, pre-reboot.

Article aside, i think it has more to do with Starfire wantin SEX, and LOTS OF IT. Its just creepy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 11:33:22 AM
oh god i just read the io9 article.  wtf? Between Batwoman, Catwoman and now this Starfire shit what the hell is DC thinking with their female characters?  At least Supergirl and Wonder Woman weren't obnoxiously sexual.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 11:40:28 AM
Batgirl isnt bad either, and Batwoman wasnt bad but the first issue was snore. As long as supergirl isnt trying to get nailed every 5 minutes and isnt a fucking whiner like in her last series i'll be ok with it.
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Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 11:42:54 AM
There was no sexuality in Supergirl.  And the actual issue was pretty good too IMO.  And Batwoman wasn't that bad but it gave my the vibe that they're going to try to play up the sex angle with her.  Batgirl was also sexless.  w00t.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 11:45:17 AM
I dunno Batwoman was always kinda weird- and by comparison any sex vibe from Batwoman is super tiny compared to Catwoman and Starfire.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 12:44:40 PM
Batwoman, Batgirl Wonder Woman and Supergirl are all strong women without one trace of sexuality in their books. Hell, Batwoman is a LESBIAN.

Anyways, I picked up this week's haul:

Superman
Flash
Amazing Spider-Man
Cloak and Dagger 1 and 2 :rock
Action Comics
Justice League Dark
andddd some Daredevil

I caught up on Spider Island last night so I just jumped into Amazing Spider-Man 670. I actually KIND of like the current arc, Spider Island - it's certainly a fun premise - even if I feel like the writers don't really GET Spider-Man or why he's appealing. Also the art is faux anime TRASH but today's issue is pretty gewd.
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Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 12:51:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XeXo8.png)

:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
I know there's other points being made and it's not just the clothing, but it's kinda funny how she posts pictures of her daughter with funnybooks featuring scantily-clad Starfire and Supergirl, pre-reboot.

Article aside, i think it has more to do with Starfire wantin SEX, and LOTS OF IT. Its just creepy.

I guess, although is from one of the comics Starfire was in, pre-reboot:

http://readrant.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/starfire-is-still-naked.jpg

So it seems like Lobdell took the character's personality and dialed it up one too many notches.  And you're right...it is creepy.  I have no problem with scantily-clad characters and with sex in comics, but that book just did it all wrong.  See something like Empowered on how to do that right.
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Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 01:00:44 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XeXo8.png)

:rofl

While this makes a good point, they are showing the cartoon Teen Titans Go version of the character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 01:01:00 PM
Scott Lobdell :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 01:03:29 PM
Scott Lobdell :yuck

Wonder if he's gonna get canned after all this, although if people are BUYING the book to see how messed up it is, maybe not.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 01:12:12 PM
I was going to get Teen Titans today at the store but they ran out. I asked how it was since Lobdell wrote and the dude said it's actually good, unlike Red Hood.

And to be fair, half of what's wrong with Red Hood is the artist depiction of Starfire.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 01:16:36 PM
less beach scenes more super hero-ing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 01:21:01 PM
I was going to get Teen Titans today at the store but they ran out. I asked how it was since Lobdell wrote and the dude said it's actually good, unlike Red Hood.

And to be fair, half of what's wrong with Red Hood is the artist depiction of Starfire.

Nah, it's the writing.  The artist was being told to depict her like that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 01:21:34 PM
less beach scenes more super hero-ing


There was "super hero-ing" in that comic?   ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 01:27:25 PM
im sayin there needs to be more, of the none...errr- im sayin they should cancel that series now- actually. Wtf red robin red hood hamburgers gimme good ol nightwing amirite wtfff robin? :*(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 03:01:33 PM
REALLY liked Superman #1.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 03:03:07 PM
I won't be reading my copy of Superman until tomorrow :(

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 03:04:08 PM
I just hate the dumb t-shirt n jeans, or is that just action comics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 03:05:03 PM
That's just in Action Comics. I find the jeans refreshing for a super hero. I love that costume.

Aquaman is great.

About to read Flash and Justice League Dark.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 03:05:38 PM
its a dumb costume shut up- ill check out Superman #1 then
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 03:08:40 PM
Word of warning, Superman is really really dense. Lots of dialogue.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 03:09:07 PM
:bow Levi's :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 03:11:07 PM
haha, those crappy levi commercials have come full circle

AMERICA
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 03:14:15 PM
fuuuuuuu punch some shit superman!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 03:17:27 PM
its a dumb costume shut up- ill check out Superman #1 then

It's fine for now, since it's just showing that he's an amateur superhero and doesn't even have the uniform yet!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 03:56:08 PM
Is anyone going to check out Holy Terror?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 03:57:00 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/w5gvW.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 03:57:42 PM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 03:59:29 PM
No way thats real hahah wtffffffffffffff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 04:04:27 PM
The biggest flaw with that cover is that they got Red Robin's costume wrong.  Still could easily be passed off for the real thing, haha.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 04:13:04 PM
:lol

Is anyone going to check out Holy Terror?

I'm torrenting this week's 52 lineup so I'll see how it is for you.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 28, 2011, 04:17:11 PM
I heard it's pretty much racist garbage with some nice art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 04:19:24 PM
:o AQUAMAN IS GREAT :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 04:30:27 PM
I don't have the tools at work to do this justice.  Someone photoshop Catwoman #1 or Red Hood #1 on there!

(http://i.imgur.com/NJsLVl.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2011, 04:44:37 PM
I know there's other points being made and it's not just the clothing, but it's kinda funny how she posts pictures of her daughter with funnybooks featuring scantily-clad Starfire and Supergirl, pre-reboot.

Article aside, i think it has more to do with Starfire wantin SEX, and LOTS OF IT. Its just creepy.

I guess, although is from one of the comics Starfire was in, pre-reboot:

http://readrant.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/starfire-is-still-naked.jpg

So it seems like Lobdell took the character's personality and dialed it up one too many notches.  And you're right...it is creepy.  I have no problem with scantily-clad characters and with sex in comics, but that book just did it all wrong.  See something like Empowered on how to do that right.

Yeah, I mean Starfire has always been an eye candy character, but at least before she had friends and feelings and stuff. She had sex with Dick Grayson when they were dating, but that was it, she wasn't sleeping around with the entire team. And she wasn't like "Ho hum, I'm bored let's kill some bad guys/have sex, what was your name again?" I don't know whether it's more insulting to women, or to the men that this is obviously targeted at.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 04:57:48 PM
lyte edge:

(http://i.imgur.com/MOAG3.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
You should have put a Deus Ex ad on the back cover for maximum realism.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 28, 2011, 09:47:47 PM
Enjoyed Supes 1,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
lots of action following the talky. Don't give a shit about that emo dawsons creek ending tho.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 28, 2011, 09:53:26 PM
I have read Aquaman like three times. Amazing. :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 28, 2011, 10:58:49 PM
I'm getting Holy Terror in the mail. Expectations have been duly lowered.

Also getting Prison Pit 3, Love and Rockets New Stories 4, the Kamani Omnibus, Finder Library Vol. 2...crazy week for OGNs/collections.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2011, 11:01:08 PM
lyte edge:

(http://i.imgur.com/MOAG3.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 28, 2011, 11:36:45 PM
so excited about Kamandi, will look great next to my Fourth World and OMAC omnibii!

so... is Finder actually good? (ducks)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on September 29, 2011, 12:05:39 AM
I'll have holy terror tomorrow so I'll post something then.

So far my favorites are the dark tower and severed. The dark tower is amazing but that's expected because the books are awesome and its so cool seeing a favorite of mine so well done.

Severed is just awesome. It oozes atmosphere. I love it. So creepy and the art is fantastic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 12:58:39 AM
Also loving the trend of OGNs/collections showing up cheap and on time in comixology. Got 'Sweets' last night, which I hear is really good. Same price as the paper version but no postage cost or waiting, or having to find shelf space for it. I could torrent it of course but I am way more likely to actually read it and it is nice to not feel like a filthy crim all the time.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 12:59:43 AM
so excited about Kamandi, will look great next to my Fourth World and OMAC omnibii!

so... is Finder actually good? (ducks)

Must get OMAC as well, fuck. Finder is great but very oblique and idiosyncratic. The mindless ones have had some great posts about it recently.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 01:03:30 AM
oh, HAT:

 if you want some REAL off the wall Kirby, Image just put up a collection of his Silver Star series on comixology for cheap. He was old and losing it by that point so the drawing is rough, the melodrama is off the charts and it is just plain NONSENSICALLY WEIRD, not to mention tone-deaf. But in a way, it is actually MORE KIRBY than almost anything else he has ever done. There will almost certainly be single panels, pages or lines of dialog in there that make the whole thing worthwhile for you.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 29, 2011, 01:28:05 PM
The amazing final page of Batman The Dark Knight Issue 1

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads//2011/09/batty-boy.jpg)
[close]
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2011, 01:35:32 PM
lolwat
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 29, 2011, 01:46:12 PM
so excited about Kamandi, will look great next to my Fourth World and OMAC omnibii!

so... is Finder actually good? (ducks)

Must get OMAC as well, fuck. Finder is great but very oblique and idiosyncratic. The mindless ones have had some great posts about it recently.

who are "the mindless ones"? is that a comic review site?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 29, 2011, 01:47:27 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/29/dc-amazon-kindle-fire-graphic-novels-exclusive/

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

EDIT: Well, as long as they work with the Kindle app on iPad...which seems to still be up-in-the-air.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on September 29, 2011, 01:49:40 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/29/dc-amazon-kindle-fire-graphic-novels-exclusive/

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

EDIT: Well, as long as they work with the Kindle app on iPad...which seems to still be up-in-the-air.

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 29, 2011, 02:32:05 PM
i can't imagine this being worth while on a 7" screen

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 29, 2011, 02:47:54 PM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/29/dc-amazon-kindle-fire-graphic-novels-exclusive/

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

EDIT: Well, as long as they work with the Kindle app on iPad...which seems to still be up-in-the-air.

*HISSSSSS*
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 29, 2011, 02:51:57 PM
i can't imagine this being worth while on a 7" screen

exactly - iPad is jussst big enough, 7" Kindle Fire is quite not
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on September 29, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
I hate these bullshit exclusive things- its never actually good for the customer
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Post by: Eric P on September 29, 2011, 03:01:01 PM
i can't imagine this being worth while on a 7" screen

exactly - iPad is jussst big enough, 7" Kindle Fire is quite not

ah to dream for a 13" tablet
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Post by: bork on September 29, 2011, 03:33:05 PM
LOL, DC.

Quote
DC Comics On Starfire Controversy: 'Pay Attention To The Ratings'

Prompted by the resoundingly negative critical response to Red Hood And The Outlaws #1's dubious, oversexualized depiction of the superheroine Starfire -- in particular, the disgusted reaction of a 7-year-old fan of Cartoon Network's Teen Titans, a popular animated series in which a version of Starfire appeared -- DC Comics released a terse statement via Twitter (here and here) that advised unhappy readers to "pay attention to the ratings." The full statement is as follows:

    We've heard what's being said about Starfire today and we appreciate the dialogue on this topic. We encourage people to pay attention to the ratings when picking out any books to read themselves or for their children.



Red Hood And The Outlaws #1 is rated "T -Teen", which DC Comics defines as "Appropriate for readers age 12 and older. May contain mild violence, language and/or suggestive themes." Fair enough, then. By that guideline, the book is obviously inappropriate for a 7-year-old. But the 7-year-old girl's question, and that of Shortpacked's David Willis and our own Laura Hudson remains valid. Should a Starfire comic book be targeted so narrowly? As part of the bold and massive publishing initiative and mainstream outreach that is DC's New 52, does using characters best-known from all-ages cartoons in books like Red Hood And The Outlaws make sense?

Read More: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/28/dc-comics-on-starfire-controversy-pay-attention-to-the-ratings/#ixzz1ZN6gfNVq

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/catwoman03bwul.jpg)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on September 29, 2011, 04:05:59 PM
Yeah, the stated point of the relaunch was to draw in people who weren't reading comics before, but it's clear that the actual goal is to further pander to the dwindling fanbase.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 29, 2011, 04:08:58 PM
Is DC even publishing any titles that AREN'T rated T for Teen?
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Post by: Eric P on September 29, 2011, 04:17:57 PM
Is DC even publishing any titles that AREN'T rated T for Teen?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://blog.schoollibraryjournal.com/goodcomicsforkids/files/2011/04/DC-Super-Pets_Pooches-of-Power.jpg)
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Post by: Himu on September 29, 2011, 06:01:20 PM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/catwoman03bwul.jpg)

:rofl
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 07:43:41 PM
Yeah, the stated point of the relaunch was to draw in people who weren't reading comics before, but it's clear that the actual goal is to further pander to the dwindling fanbase.

I'm gonna out-cynical your cynicism, GR:
It was to avoid having to stop making comics altogether. They're doing it the only way they know how, which is not all that well. If they succeed in raising sales, it will be from either: 1) lapsed readers like many ITT, or 2) iPad owners curious about digital

HAT: mindlessones.com

(sorry, they are legendary Morrison experts so figured you were in the know already).
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Post by: Himu on September 29, 2011, 09:17:48 PM
if they realize the comics industry is failing why continue to use the same business model?

If I were in charge of DC/Marvel, I'd have the big hitter comics (Action Comics, Justice League, Batman, X-Men, Iron Man, Spider-Man;etc) bi-weekly with a sticker price of two bucks a book.

Waiting one month for a book that feels like it's the first 10 minutes of a tv show -- an incomplete story -- with no end goal or end destination, a story that continues on and on and on and on, is not going to swing non-comic readers into buying a 4 dollar comic they can read in oh....5 minutes that, let me remind you, comes out once a month.

In comparison, I can pick up a issue of Time for less than a comic, and spend 1-2 hours reading through and digesting all the content.

On top of this, they're not really selling these books where people actually buy shit. These days, it's all about itunes. I'd put comics on there, bi-weekly, at the expense of slightly lower quality art, with longer average page length, for 2 bucks a pop and advertise the fuck out of it. The movies, cartoons and tv shows and video games for these comics are popular as all fuck so I don't see why the comics can't be either.

If they want the comics business to survive, they need to change their business formula. Following a formula that was created almost 100 years ago ain't gonna cut it. I think looking at stuff like manga and graphic novels for inspiration would be for the best.

Just about every week I enjoy reading manga. Sure, it's black and white, but I get a new 20 or so page chapter EVERY WEEK.

Or hell, follow a shounen jump format and bundle all the big hitters into ONE GIANT MAGAZINE and sell it bi-weekly. Put your most popular hits, the best of the best, in that mag, it should be 300-500 pages and dirt cheap. Advertise the FUCK out of it. Monthly floppies (single issues) do not make sense on a grand scale in this day and age.

You have comics that have been going on for 70+ years with no end goal, no finale, not even a destination, they just go on and on. The best these guys can do is make this as approachable as possible to non-comic book fan.

There are so many sources of inspiration they could draw from, and the fact they still stick with the status quo is both hilarious and sad.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 09:23:11 PM
yes, but it's what they know. Desperate as things may seem for them, many at the top now (like Jim Lee) are still coasting on millions made during the 90s boom, or movie money (like Mark Millar). It's the small indie houses that will take the bold steps first - Dark Horse has much better pricing for digital, for example.

The move to same-day digital for all titles is a huge and sensible step but I totally agree they also need to pull the trigger on pricing/frequency/format issues as well. You should be able to buy the new Spider-man on iTunes for a quarter and read it anywhere. Then you could actually pull in some new readers, I think. But Red Hood and the Outsiders for 3 bucks for 20 (shitty) pages? :lol
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Post by: Himu on September 29, 2011, 09:28:26 PM
The benefit of the giant magazine idea is that you could also put it on display near the cashiers where the tabloids, Disney Adventures and crossword puzzles go at grocery stores. Kids would EAT THAT SHIT UP. Especially if it were weekly, cost around 4-5 bucks, and had all their favorite superheroes in it.

I used to buy my comics at KROGER (a grocery store) when I was a kid. I didn't go to comic shops. They would make so much bank!
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 09:35:41 PM
well, it's a whole different model. If you sell at grocery stores etc, then you have to allow returns. Which means 50% of what you sell to retailers ends up coming back. This is why they moved to what is essentially a print-on-demand model with the so-called 'direct market' (which ironically means comics bypass 99% of the population). Digital is their best hope of overcoming that barrier, I think.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 29, 2011, 09:55:35 PM
yeah, direct market pretty much saved comics in the 70s-80s but ended up helping to kill them off in the 90s-00s
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 29, 2011, 10:02:22 PM
i can't imagine this being worth while on a 7" screen

exactly - iPad is jussst big enough, 7" Kindle Fire is quite not

ah to dream for a 13" tablet

i like the android tablet semi-standard of a 16:10 1280x800 10.1" screen, it's a nice compromise between 4:3 and 16:9 and is closer to comic page dimensions.  the average dimensions of a modern mainstream comic are 6 1/4" x 10 1/4" which would make the ideal screen size around 12 inches

maybe someday... :-\
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 10:09:37 PM
Well, what smart companies will do first is start designing the comic around the iPad, like Chris Ware did. Opening digital comics with a single page followed by a double page spread is just dumb (ala JLA #1) - new readers immediately go AARGH WHAT AM THIS
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on September 29, 2011, 10:12:11 PM
i'm mainly talkin bout scanzzzz of all my old shit, on the ipad the bottom 1/4 of the comic was always cut off so i had to scroll up - not a big deal, but not ideal

new stuff, yeah, they better tailor it to the screen standard because that screen is what's gonna save them this time
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 29, 2011, 10:58:47 PM
well, that and movie money
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 30, 2011, 03:01:34 AM
Anybody reading Witch Doctor from Image? It's got a really fun 'House meets Hellblazer' vibe to it. I giggled at least 3 times at the latest issue. I recommend it unreservedly. The zero issue is even free on comixology!

(http://www.witchdoctorcomic.com/comics/2011-03-25_15-Issue1Cover.jpg)

http://www.witchdoctorcomic.com/

The Flash was probably the best from DC this week. The story was pretty slight but the visual storytelling was really nice. Had a very fresh feel despite not being Manapul's first run on the Flash. Proof that artists can tell a story better by themselves than when being stage-directed to death by a writer who can't draw. (although to be fair, some of the narration was a bit clunky...but who cares).
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Post by: Mupepe on September 30, 2011, 10:24:45 AM
I got the 0 issue for free in one of my Walking Dead issues.  Eh.  I didn't care for it.  About halfway through I flipped further towards the end to see "is this really all there is?"

But to be fair, I've been thinking of giving it another shot.  Going from The Walking Dead to Witch Doctor was kinda jarring and it wasn't what I was in the mood for.  I was mostly just thinking "I could be reading the next Walking Dead issue"
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Post by: Himu on September 30, 2011, 05:37:21 PM
FF :rock
New Mutants :rock
Daredevil :rock
Cloak and Dagger :rock
Ultimate X-Men :rock
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Post by: Dickie Dee on October 01, 2011, 08:12:38 AM
Anybody reading Witch Doctor from Image? It's got a really fun 'House meets Hellblazer' vibe to it. I giggled at least 3 times at the latest issue. I recommend it unreservedly. The zero issue is even free on comixology!

(http://www.witchdoctorcomic.com/comics/2011-03-25_15-Issue1Cover.jpg)

http://www.witchdoctorcomic.com/

The Flash was probably the best from DC this week. The story was pretty slight but the visual storytelling was really nice. Had a very fresh feel despite not being Manapul's first run on the Flash. Proof that artists can tell a story better by themselves than when being stage-directed to death by a writer who can't draw. (although to be fair, some of the narration was a bit clunky...but who cares).

real nice cover/art where to start?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 01, 2011, 09:50:30 AM
with the free zero issue on comixology I mentioned...?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 01, 2011, 10:59:03 AM
:bow Love and Rockets New Stories vol. 4 :bow2

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Post by: Himu on October 02, 2011, 04:49:26 AM
found my copy of Peter Parker Spider-Man #1 I got way back in 99 when I was heavy into comics. lol It's not in the best condition but I'm sure I can curate it. I'm sure it's not worth anything anyways.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on October 04, 2011, 12:29:06 AM
Loving the updated DC ipad app- new UI is great
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Post by: Mupepe on October 04, 2011, 10:18:49 AM
I've pretty much just been reading the Dark Tower the last few days.  Damn it's good.
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Post by: Himu on October 05, 2011, 12:36:01 AM
http://dcu.blog.dccomics.com/2011/10/04/the-second-month-of-dc-comics-%e2%80%93-the-new-52-starts-now-previews-below/

preview of DC's #2's
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 05, 2011, 05:36:24 PM
:bow Animal Man #2 :bow2

I am really enjoying DC's New 52
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Post by: Mupepe on October 05, 2011, 05:37:50 PM
Can't wait to pick it up tomorrow.  Animal Man #2 and Severed #3 are gonna rock my fucking socks this week :hyper
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Post by: Himu on October 05, 2011, 11:53:38 PM
Holy jesus, Action Comics is fucking AMAZING. Swamp Thing, Batwing, and Animal Man are all great...but holy crap, Action Comics just slapped its semen drenched dick on my proverbial face and I asked for seconds.
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Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 09:59:19 AM
Hey Cormac, did you get Holy Terror yet?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 10:32:04 AM
Holy jesus, Action Comics is fucking AMAZING. Swamp Thing, Batwing, and Animal Man are all great...but holy crap, Action Comics just slapped its semen drenched dick on my proverbial face and I asked for seconds.

Agreed, on everything except Batwing (ok but I don't think it's worth the cash so just read a scan. Hey look there's a black man with lightning powers! That HAS to be parody...). Action was spectacular apart from some bizarre shifts in the art (I still don't have a firm idea of what Lois is supposed to look like!) but that's just quibbling really. Swamp Thing and Animal Man were imaginative and chilling, and beautifully rendered. Foreman's cold, clean, spidery style is working really well on that book, and Paquette has come on leaps and bounds. He used to be basically a 3rd rate Bryan Hitch but now he is doing stuff worthy of the pedigree of Bissette, Veitch and Totleben on that book (nice little shout-outs to those guys in there too...)

We don't seem to agree on all that much so I'm betting those books will continue to be the stand-outs. I culled pretty much everything else from this week's nu52, other than OMAC (which ruled, again). Stormwatch sucked again so I may have to drop that.

Hey Cormac, did you get Holy Terror yet?

Yeah, I did. But Prison Pit 3 was in the same package so I read that first. Holy Terror is in my stack, and I have a 5 day weekend coming up so hoping to get to it then. I've paged through it of course - it looks spectacular. But I hear the story is really bad, jingoistic flag-waving bullshit so not in a real rush at this point.

My comixology pick of the week would be The Bulletproof Coffin from Image. The collection is super-cheap - 700 yen which barely buys you a coffee and a muffin these days. I think that's 9 bucks or so in your money. The Essex County complete collection is also a steal (by the writer of Animal Man for you newbs).

I have to say Scott Snyder is only rising in my estimation. He's not Alan Moore but he is putting out a ton of solid comics right now. I just read the American Vampire issue that was illustrated by Jordi Bernet - exquisite stuff in the vein of Alex Toth. Loved it. Batman is solid, Severed has a lot of promise, Swamp Thing has me eager for more...
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Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 10:40:34 AM
Yeah I put off my purchase of Holy Terror after reading so many bad reviews.  It's 30 bucks that can be spent somewhere else for now.  I went through it at the store and the art is awesome so I'll eventually get it for that I guess but I just can't get excited for the story.

Snyder is one of my favorites right now.  Severed and Animal Man are my favorite series right now and American Vampire is definitely up there.  I haven't read Swamp Thing #2 yet but I heard good things and can't wait.  He's on a fucking roll.

I can't wait to read OMAC #2 :hyper

I might get that bulletproof coffin but I just started a few collections like Fables and The Walking Dead
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 10:51:11 AM
Well, Bulletproof Coffin is just those six issues, for now at least. It will rearrange your fucking head, I guarantee.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 10:53:59 AM
Yeah, OMAC is :bow

If you want some more wacky Kirby action but can't deal with the 50s-70s stuff (which would be sad but understandable...I grew up with it so my tolerance is high), I highly recommend Godland from Image, which is almost done now. Just a few issues left, although they are coming out really slowly. They are all up on comixology and oh my GOD do they look insane on the ipad.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 10:55:26 AM
btw, if you just want some more awesome Frank Miller art in that vein, check out the Sin City collections, or 300. And of course you can't go wrong with stuff like Ronin or his Daredevil run either.
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Post by: Mupepe on October 06, 2011, 11:07:12 AM
I'll check out Godland.  I can handle 50-70's stuff (love the wackiniess) so go ahead and throw me some recommendations if you've got them. 

I've got Sin City and 300 issues ordered.  I'm a dolt and love to have the issues of TPB's when possible but I should have them soon.  I ordered them after I read The Dark Knight Returns.  :bow

I'll check out some Bulletproof Coffin :hyper
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 11:16:40 AM
So how good is Kamandi? If I want to get into Kirby is this a good place to start, or should I wait for the Fourth World omnibus reprints?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 11:50:21 AM
Mups -

sheeit, well. The Fourth World Omnibuses (4 of 'em, about $25 on amazon IIRC) are a great place to start, especially New Gods and Mr Miracle. As is the Lee-Kirby run on FF, which starts getting really good around #40 on. The Marvel Masterworks TPB series are really good for those (considerably cheaper than the original issues at this point :lol). From around vol. 4 is the start of the best stuff.

His runs on Thor and Captain America are also amazing. Big hardcover omnibuses of both of those just came out this year, as well as his 2nd run on Cap in the 60s (which was some crazy crazy shit). Basically though, if it says 'Jack Kirby' on it, it's at least worth looking through it. I just can't ever get enough of Kirby. Oh yeah, check out the Kirby Fuck Yeah! tumblr. That'll give you some ideas on where to start digging.

http://fuckyeahkirby.tumblr.com/
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 11:51:47 AM
So how good is Kamandi? If I want to get into Kirby is this a good place to start, or should I wait for the Fourth World omnibus reprints?

It's great. You could totally start there. It's not far removed from the 4th World stuff - he did Kamandi very soon after that so the style is very similar.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 12:33:31 PM
I was wondering because I noticed Kamandi Omnibus 1 was in my personal Amazon Gold Box for $29, which is not bad for ~500 color pages. I've been wanting to read his Fourth World stuff ever since I read Final Crisis and there were tons of references to it, but the hardcovers are kinda pricey right now, and the first of the paperback reprints doesn't come out until December.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 06, 2011, 01:26:24 PM
You really can't go wrong with Kirby, though I'd recommend the four Fourth World Omnibii as the best starting point

NEWSBOY LEGION FUCK YEAH

EDIT: Somehow I missed there was a Newsboy Legion HC (http://www.amazon.com/Newsboy-Legion-Simon-Spangled-Comics/dp/1848565763/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1317922303&sr=8-2)!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 06, 2011, 01:36:50 PM
http://fuckyeahkirby.tumblr.com/

When I started reading Kirby, Morrison made a lot more sense (just like Zelazny explained a lot about Neil Gaiman I never quite understood)
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 06, 2011, 01:40:51 PM
(http://www.letsbefriendsagain.com/comics/2009-11-18.jpg)
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 06, 2011, 01:42:02 PM
Every page of every comic ever should aspire to look more like the climax of The Glory Boat:

(http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/2296/fourthworld1sv4.jpg)

:bow COMICS :bow2

Apparently, Alex Ross took a shot at coloring this page for a charity auction:

(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_PDVvMvCGCgs/TP2m6wOtzlI/AAAAAAAAD4k/obFZOb5sC0o/s1600/Kirby%2BKing%2Bof%2BComics%2B176C.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 02:31:47 PM
OMG :drool

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqod84LW421qzizmho1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1318012099&Signature=Gip9kKhEB91Q1qFPgaHKPkf9zck%3D)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2011, 02:33:52 PM
“ Another time, Jack took a call. A voice on the other end said, ‘There are three of us down here in the lobby. We want to see the guy who does this disgusting comic book and show him what real Nazis would do to his Captain America’. To the horror of others in the office, Kirby rolled up his sleeves and headed downstairs. The callers, however, were gone by the time he arrived." Mark Evanier, Kirby: King of Comics
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Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 02:46:02 PM
X-Men Schism #5 was good. Wolverine is a dumbass.
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Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 02:51:54 PM
Cormac: RAGS MORALES DRAWS LOIS LANE LIKE SHE'S A FAT CHICK
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 02:56:27 PM
X-Men Schism #5 was good. Wolverine is a dumbass.

Care to spoil it for me? I don't read comics anymore but I always like to hear what's going on with X-men.
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Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 03:32:35 PM
X-Men Schism #5 was good. Wolverine is a dumbass.

Care to spoil it for me? I don't read comics anymore but I always like to hear what's going on with X-men.

Basically, X-Men Schism is a limited series that separates the X-Men. This month is going to be the final issue of Uncanny X-Men. Cyclops and Wolverine are going to have their own teams. Cyclops is blue team in Uncanny X-Men, Wolverine is gold team in Wolverine and the X-Men.

Basically, to have an idea of what's going on you have to know about the House of M/Messiah Complex events in which Scarlet Witch takes away everyone's mutant powers (House of M) and the X-book story Messiah Complex, in which Cable protects the newest mutant birthed in a time when no new mutants are being born, Hope Summers (not related to Scott), a girl from the future. Eventually some mutants gain their powers back. This storyline decimated the mutant population from millions to hundreds. Magneto loses his powers, as does Professor X. Of course, since these are comics we're talking about,

Fast forward to now. The Xavier Institute has been destroyed, so the X-Men move to their own island off the coast of San Francisco Bay christening the island "Utopia". Since there are only hundreds of mutants, mutantdom is facing extinction and this is forcing nations to get more aggressive towards the annihilation of the mutant race. So they're making new, more powerful sentinels and anti-mutant tech. In light of this, Cyclops and Wolverine are having a rift in ideology. Cyclops thinks that because mutants are now a commodity and that mutant kind is literally at war, that the children (Hope and her friends) should be taught how to fight and survive in such times. Wolverine argues that the only reason he fights is so that the children don't have to.

The violence escalates when attending the opening of a museum for the history of mutants when terrorists with new anti-mutant tech manage to kill any mutants in there and knock the X-Men out who are in attendance. Cyclops tells one of the kids trapped in the museum (Idie) to save her own hide by killing the troops inside. This just makes tension worse between Wolverine and Cyclops. The brunt of the X-men forces are out fighting Sentinels across the world as nations get more mutant trigger happy and this leaves Utopia vulnerable, leaving Cyclops and, Wolverine and just a few new recent recruits (Hope and her friends) to fend for themselves. Wolverines hates that Idie had to kill  for herself, Cyclops thinks it was necessary in order to survive. With Utopia being taken over by a group of powerful Sentinels, there's no line of defense except for the kids who are there. Wolverine hates this and thinks they should leave. Cyclops argues that they have no other place to go and other nations won't have them and that fighting is the only course of action.

So Wolverine plants bombs across Utopia, and threatens to bomb the place, taking out Utopia and the Sentinels with him. Cyclops and Wolverine fight. I mean, really, really fight. Cyclops blows away Wolverine's face with his beam, to the point where Wolverine face is nothing but a skeleton with eyes. Wolverine sinks his claws deep into Cyclops' body MULTIPLE times. This shit is brutal. All while a Sentinel is about to blow them to pieces. The kids come out and help them beat the Sentinel's and Wolverine disengages the bomb. The next morning Logan tells Scott he's leaving and doesn't want to have anything to do with his X-Men, gets a blackbird, his own team, and moves shop to the destroyed Xavier Institute in New York.

So we have this:

Cyclops now pretty much has a bunch of dudes seen as bad guys on his team (Colossus, who has been infected by...oh it's not worth going into, Magik, Magneto;etc).

(http://i.imgur.com/3WACj.jpg)

Wolverine has this team:

(http://i.imgur.com/gw3cB.jpg)

I'm pretty sure that Wolverine WILL call in the Avengers and have them take on Cyclop's X-Men.
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Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 03:34:24 PM
Also:

(http://i.imgur.com/b9ExS.jpg)

:bow

Distant: read this if you want more

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/28/x-men-schism-review-cyclops-wolverine/
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:35:56 PM
I actually knew about what happened in issues 1-4, just curious about how they wrapped things up in #5. Thanks, though!
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Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 03:38:05 PM
Oh. They just fight. Cyclops burns off Wolverine's face and Wolverine stabs the shit out of Cyclops. Then they part ways and then the issue basically ends with "welp, cyclops was right"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:38:41 PM
Cool. Team Cyke for life, even if he is teetering towards becoming Magneto.

Jean Grey School for Higher Learning. Ouch. Way to go, Logan.

Speaking of Logan, the whole "kids shouldn't have to fight" is so out of character for the guy who trained Kitty and Jubilee over the years to fight against those who hate and fear them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 03:41:16 PM
Logan is bordering on creepy these days with the Jean Grey shit. Fuck.

I like that Cyclops is teetering towards Magneto. In the Fear Itself line, it's pretty much revealed that his biggest fear is becoming another Magneto and dooming his fate as a pro-mutant militant.

Cyclops' development has been amazing recently.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:43:11 PM
So when is the big "Jean returns from the dead to judge the fuck out of everyone" crossover event? :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
You know it's coming. It's Marvel.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 03:45:32 PM
I don't know. I don't see the point in Jean coming back now that Scott has Emma.

But yeah, she's totally coming back. Eventually.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:46:40 PM
I don't fucking know. I don't see the point in Jean coming back now that Scott has Emma.

If Scott ends up going full blown Mags, I'm sure they'd figure out some excuse to bring her back and make him feel like crap for betraying the original dream.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 03:48:05 PM
Funnily, Professor X is on Scott's side.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2011, 03:49:02 PM
Funnily, Professor X is on Scott's side.

Yeah, I had heard that.

Stuff like this always make me interested in getting back into X-men, but then I remember how many different books there are, and Wikipedia summaries are more than enough.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 03:53:11 PM
It's not bad if you wait for the trades:

(http://www.jinxworld.com/news_images/HOUSEOFM_TPB_cover.jpg)

(http://www.twocatscomicbookstore.com/1721-862-thickbox/x-men-messiah-complex-trade-paperback.jpg)
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Post by: bork on October 06, 2011, 04:38:41 PM
X-Men Schism #5 was good. Wolverine is a dumbass.

Care to spoil it for me? I don't read comics anymore but I always like to hear what's going on with X-men.

Brief summary of Schism: A new Hellfire Club appears.  All of them are super-intelligent CHILDREN.  They murder the old Hellfire Club members and their parents.  Then the fuck with the X-Men by creating a new type of Sentinel after them.  Quentin Quire also comes back from...wherever he was (I wasn't reading X-Men when this character was around) and commits an act of "Mutant Terrorism," then seeks asylum in Mutopia.

Long story short, a bunch of nothing happens.  Quentin Quire just sort of disappears from the last few issues.  Some X-Men go to the opening of a "mutant museum" and get attacked by the Hellfire Club.  One of the newer mutants ends up killing them all on Cyclops' orders, turning her from "innocent" into a soldier.

This is what pisses Wolverine off.  He doesn't like the way Cyclops is leading the X-Men and feels that the younger generation shouldn't be made into soldiers who can murder without remorse.  Kind of weird coming from fucking Wolverine. 

Then a Sentinel is sent to Mutopia, which is the downed Asteroid-M base, now serving as their island "country."  Wolverine wants to evacuate the island and blow it up.  Cyclops would rather fight the Sentinel, but the only people on the island at the time are the kids.

So Wolverine and Cyclops brawl right in front of the Sentinel, which starts attacking them.  They work together and destroy it while the Hellfire kids watch from far away. 

And that's it...only a little anger is displayed, and the story drags on way too slowly.  Wolverine and Cyclops don't continue fighting...instead Wolverine says he's leaving, gets a Blackbird jet, and finds a bunch of X-Men already onboard that want to come with him.  They fly back to Xavier's (demolished) School grounds.  The end.

Total waste of fucking time.  This could have been two issues long instead of five, seriously.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 06, 2011, 04:40:21 PM
LOL, I see Himu covered it.

If you're gonna read any X book, make it Uncanny X-Force.  It's self-contained and far better than everything else out there.  I'm hoping that if nothing else, Schism makes the other X books interesting again.

Despite the marketing, however, Schism #5 shows that this is a mutual split.  I would have preferred it if they had two X-Men groups that were at each others' throats due to their different ideals.  This storyline did not come off that way.

Oh, and Professor X was not involved in the mini-series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 04:42:20 PM
Two issues is pushing it. I think it could have been done in 4 but I wouldn't say nothing happens.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 04:44:01 PM
LOL, I see Himu covered it.

If you're gonna read any X book, make it Uncanny X-Force.  It's self-contained and far better than everything else out there.  I'm hoping that if nothing else, Schism makes the other X books interesting again.

X-Factor :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 05:09:15 PM
wants me more batgirl/batwoman- next week for those #2s right?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2011, 05:11:13 PM
Maf: yes

Thanks a lot himu. And in which issue did wolverine and cyclops have that brutal fight? I must read it!

issues 4 and  5 of Schism
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 06, 2011, 07:30:48 PM
Batman sure is about the sex in the new 52 lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 09:34:40 PM
You really can't go wrong with Kirby, though I'd recommend the four Fourth World Omnibii as the best starting point

NEWSBOY LEGION FUCK YEAH

EDIT: Somehow I missed there was a Newsboy Legion HC (http://www.amazon.com/Newsboy-Legion-Simon-Spangled-Comics/dp/1848565763/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1317922303&sr=8-2)!

Let's start an EB Newsboy Legion. I call dibs on the name change to Big Woids
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 06, 2011, 10:42:04 PM
Two issues is pushing it. I think it could have been done in 4 but I wouldn't say nothing happens.

-Old villain team, already long-missing any recognizable faces, gets replaced with kids.
-Quentin Quire comes back and...ends up doing nothing.
-One "innocent" character uses powers to kill.
-Cyclops and Wolverine fight for a couple of pages.
-Wolverine leaves, peacefully, with other characters.

That's pretty much the entire story in a nutshell.  It was handled poorly overall.  Awful pacing and the confrontation everyone was waiting for did not deliver.

Speaking of pacing, there were two tie-in issues of whatever the hell that new-new-new-new-mutants series is called, with Hope and her little team...all they do for TWO FUCKING ISSUES is decide if they are going to fight while the Sentinel lumbers towards the island.   :lol

And what's even more hilarious is that none of the X books have caught up to schism yet, so in everything else you have Cyclops and Wolvie as buddies. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 06, 2011, 11:32:16 PM
:drudge

FAO Howard Alan Treesong and all right-thinking individuals: unpublished New Gods #12 pages:

http://kirbytech.tumblr.com/tagged/New_Gods
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 12:18:04 AM
You really can't go wrong with Kirby, though I'd recommend the four Fourth World Omnibii as the best starting point

NEWSBOY LEGION FUCK YEAH

EDIT: Somehow I missed there was a Newsboy Legion HC (http://www.amazon.com/Newsboy-Legion-Simon-Spangled-Comics/dp/1848565763/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1317922303&sr=8-2)!

Let's start an EB Newsboy Legion. I call dibs on the name change to Big Woids

I call Flipper Dipper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 07, 2011, 12:52:05 AM
Geoff Johns needs to take Flipper Dipper under his loving wing doesn't he. I could use a 6 issue mini demonstrating how his aquatic abilities are indeed awesome no matter what the environment.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 02:15:12 AM
I think I'm the only person who loves Men of War. I find it appealing to see regular people caught up in the mix of superhero battles. It's why I really enjoyed Marvels.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 02:41:59 AM
jesus fuck, batman is getting so much play in the new 52 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 03:56:51 AM
Distant: Marvel is teasing this for the NYC Comic Con.

(http://i.imgur.com/T7Iee.jpg)

Bet it's Jean/Phoenix :lol

Of course, some writers have hinted that Hope is Jean reincarnated.  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on October 07, 2011, 10:26:17 AM
Not a comment regarding anything discussed so far, just random after my readings last night...

Marvel (at least in its main superhero series) loves to just slowly drag shit out.  I know that tends to be a comic book thing, but I mean good God, Marvel takes it to a whole new level.  A whole issue discussing if they should or shouldn't do something and then the issue ends on a cliffhanger of the fucking decision and then the next issue is a bunch of bullshitting and farting around before they actually do it in the following issue.  Yeesh.  I've never been much of a marvel superhero fan outside of Spiderman but all their other shit seems to be mostly this. 
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 11:10:00 AM
jesus fuck, batman is getting so much play in the new 52 :lol

who did he fuck this week
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 07, 2011, 11:42:46 AM
Distant: Marvel is teasing this for the NYC Comic Con.

Bet it's Jean/Phoenix :lol

Of course, some writers have hinted that Hope is Jean reincarnated.  :-\

I dunno...was that said to be X-Men specific?  They already have the next big event teased.  One image showed ANOTHER Scarlet Spider.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 12:25:42 PM
Finally got around to reading Superboy- was awesome
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 07, 2011, 12:51:25 PM
This is the big Marvel 2012 storyline:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/30/marvel-point-one/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/09/30/marvel-point-one/)

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/pointonescarletspider.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/pointonelapham.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/pointonedefenders.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/pointoneultron.jpg)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/09/pointonenova.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 01:42:59 PM
fine, in lieu of additional information I am gonna assume Bruce made it with the Joker's face. woo
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2011, 02:08:59 PM
jesus fuck, batman is getting so much play in the new 52 :lol

who did he fuck this week

Robin. They're finally out of the closet in Gay Crisis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 02:18:27 PM
Some reporter lady. Im wondering where Batman finds all this time for all his local crimefighting, JLA, JLI, Catwoman fucking, reporter fucking, yelling at his son.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 02:24:27 PM
being fucked by Batman is the new refrigerator (http://www.unheardtaunts.com/wir/)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 02:53:37 PM
Some reporter lady. Im wondering where Batman finds all this time for all his local crimefighting, JLA, JLI, Catwoman fucking, reporter fucking, yelling at his son.

Totally. Batman is featured in too many books.

He even shows up in Africa in Batwing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2011, 02:56:48 PM
Some reporter lady. Im wondering where Batman finds all this time for all his local crimefighting, JLA, JLI, Catwoman fucking, reporter fucking, yelling at his son.

Totally. Batman is featured in too many books.

He even shows up in Africa in Batwing.

Does he catch jungle fever?  :interracial
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Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 03:16:38 PM
Naw :(

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/Batman-1-diamond-september-sales-111007.html

Middle of the road titles at the top of the list. :( Outselling Animal Man :(
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Post by: Mupepe on October 07, 2011, 03:21:05 PM
Severed not even on the list :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 03:24:10 PM
whelp, I'm depressed now
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 07, 2011, 03:37:29 PM
If Bat is not in your title you're kinda fucked from the looks of it. Superboy ended up being one of my favorites, kinda low :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 03:52:20 PM
Superboy was great :( Teen Titans was great too, I thought
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 07, 2011, 07:37:36 PM
Maybe you guys don't realize how long its been since DC lead a month in market share. 8 out of the top 10 books are DC - that's insane for them.

(still no evidence of any mainstream crossover of course but it's something)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 08:16:51 PM
Maybe you guys don't realize how long its been since DC lead a month in market share. 8 out of the top 10 books are DC - that's insane for them.

(still no evidence of any mainstream crossover of course but it's something)

Will be interesting to see how the #2s pan out - I'd imagine a lot of people bought stuff because hey, New 52! and will quickly drop down to only what caught their interest. 5 months from now (after the first arcs) is gonna be a bloodbath.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 07, 2011, 08:22:43 PM
all star western was pretty good, if a bit too "wink-wink hey jonah hex is in GOTHAM CITY, you know, where BATMAN is from"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 07, 2011, 08:24:04 PM
i wish david lapham would go back and finish stray bullets :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 08:26:07 PM
all star western was pretty good, if a bit too "wink-wink hey jonah hex is in GOTHAM CITY, you know, where BATMAN is from"

oh? did Jonah fuck him as long as he was in town
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 07, 2011, 08:30:07 PM
no, but he was making eyes at jebediah (or whoever) arkham, though
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 07, 2011, 08:49:25 PM
Thought this was kinda interesting:

http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/10979241054/rebooting-the-justice-league
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Post by: Himu on October 07, 2011, 09:06:10 PM
That Wonder Woman owns
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Post by: chronovore on October 07, 2011, 09:19:52 PM
Thought this was kinda interesting:

http://dresdencodak.tumblr.com/post/10979241054/rebooting-the-justice-league

That was awesome. I'd buy that book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 07, 2011, 10:08:21 PM
all star western was pretty good, if a bit too "wink-wink hey jonah hex is in GOTHAM CITY, you know, where BATMAN is from"

It was good BUT:

- they seem to have abandoned the 'one and done' structure, boo hiss
- more slaughtered prostitutes than CSI: Rapeandkillville, USA. Not helping with the whole sexism thing
- Batman refs don't really ADD anything at this point
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 07, 2011, 11:21:54 PM
Kamandi arrived today along with Hark a Vagrant
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on October 07, 2011, 11:42:20 PM
Picked up the watchmen tpb today. Pretty excited :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 08, 2011, 12:14:53 AM
Kamandi arrived today along with Hark a Vagrant

Nice! Mine are in the post. I got One Soul, btw, haven't started it yet. If you are not yet on the Prince Valiant bandwagon, now is a good time to start, as vol. 4 just hit. vol. 3 is really where it hits its stride artistically, so you could jump on there, or just go straight to vol. 4. We are in 'End of Year Best of List' territory now. All the art house stuff is hitting at once.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 08, 2011, 12:44:15 AM
Kamandi arrived today along with Hark a Vagrant

Nice! Mine are in the post. I got One Soul, btw, haven't started it yet. If you are not yet on the Prince Valiant bandwagon, now is a good time to start, as vol. 4 just hit. vol. 3 is really where it hits its stride artistically, so you could jump on there, or just go straight to vol. 4. We are in 'End of Year Best of List' territory now. All the art house stuff is hitting at once.

awesome - let me know what you think of One Soul, you'll be the only other person I know who's read it :lol

did you ever read/pick up Duncan the Wonder Dog? Graphic Novel of the Year for sure
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 01:28:26 AM
Picked up the watchmen tpb today. Pretty excited :hyper

temper your expectations
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2011, 01:30:26 AM
Picked up the watchmen tpb today. Pretty excited :hyper

temper your expectations

Why? Watchmen is awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 01:58:45 AM
But not "best graphic novel ever written" awesome.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2011, 02:13:16 AM
 ::)

i'm goin' to bed, fuck this noise
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 08, 2011, 02:23:04 AM
oh my God YOU GUYS Andrew Plotkin is making an iPad version of Jason Shiga's Meanwhile (http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/zarf/hadean-lands-interactive-fiction-for-the-iphone/posts/126972) YOU GUYS

(http://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/13754/posts/126972/image-69017-full.jpg?1318049084)(http://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/13754/posts/126972/image-69018-full.jpg?1318049106)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 02:50:27 AM
::)

i'm goin' to bed, fuck this noise

If we're on Moore, I like V for Vendetta and From Hell more. I have read a lot of graphic novels, and while Watchmen is a classic, one's expectations should be tempered when reading it for the first time due to hyperbolic fan frenzy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 03:52:29 AM
They just came out last week. Notables were Action Comics, Animal Man, Swamp Thing, Batwing, and Detective Comics.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 08, 2011, 04:01:51 AM
::)

i'm goin' to bed, fuck this noise

If we're on Moore, I like V for Vendetta and From Hell more. I have read a lot of graphic novels, and while Watchmen is a classic, one's expectations should be tempered when reading it for the first time due to hyperbolic fan frenzy.

TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS, IT'S ONLY A CLASSIC
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 04:15:37 AM
Not all people agree on classics, though. And this isn't just any classic, this is what many comic nerds describe to be "the greatest graphic novel of all time".
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 08, 2011, 04:27:34 AM
but that's an inherently ridiculous statement that any adult can see through a mile off. Let's not treat our Mups like an idiot, shall we?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2011, 09:07:50 AM
I went in Watchmen with high expectations, and came out with high praise. Chill out Himu.

I read Watchmen for the first time about 5 years ago, and it was the same for me. I expected a lot, and it delivered.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 08, 2011, 09:19:39 AM
himu gets a point re: the ending of watchmen
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Post by: chronovore on October 08, 2011, 09:51:41 AM
I re-read it recently. It holds up very well.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on October 08, 2011, 10:36:26 PM
::)

i'm goin' to bed, fuck this noise

If we're on Moore, I like V for Vendetta and From Hell more. I have read a lot of graphic novels, and while Watchmen is a classic, one's expectations should be tempered when reading it for the first time due to hyperbolic fan frenzy.

TEMPER YOUR EXPECTATIONS, IT'S ONLY A CLASSIC
:lol

himu annihilated

I really should get From Hell, it was great from what I read in Borders
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 10:48:15 PM
I fail to see how I'm annihilated.
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Post by: Himu on October 08, 2011, 11:07:14 PM
My copy of the "new" Tezuka graphic novel, Book of Human Insects, arrived today.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51d4LRrXz3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

Quote
Toshiko Tomura is a genius; the darling of the intelligentsia. A modern-day Michelangelo, this twenty year-old is already an established international stage actress, an up-and-coming architect, and the next recipient of the prestigious Akutagawa Prize as Japan's best new writer. Her actions make headlines in the papers, and inspire radio and television programming. And like many great talents, her troubled past is what motivates her to greatness. She has the amazing ability to emulate the talents of others.

Toshiko is also the mastermind behind a series of murders. The ultimate mimic, she has plagiarized, blackmailed, stolen and replicated the works of scores of talents. And now as her star is rising within the world of the elites and powerful she has amassed a long list of enemies frustrated by the fact that she has built critical and financial acclaim for nothing more than copying others' work. Neglected as a child, she is challenging the concepts of gender inequality while unleashing her loneliness upon the world as she climbs the social ladder one body at a time.

One of Osamu Tezuka's most wicked tales, The Book of Human Insects renders the 70's as a brutal and often polarizing bug-eat-bug world, where only those willing to sell their soul to the masses and become something less than human are capable of achieving their wildest dreams

It owns. I've never seen this side of Tezuka, MW and arguably Black Jack aside.

More "new" Tezuka in a few weeks. I've never read Princess Knight.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2011, 02:20:14 AM
Temper your expectations. It's probably not very good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2011, 02:50:58 AM
I fail to see how I'm annihilated.

Just makes it better, really
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 02:51:28 AM
I fail to see how I'm annihilated.

Just makes it better, really

"Temper your expectations" does not mean "it sucks". in this case, it means "Watchmen is a great comic, but the way comic geeks whack their nut all over it borders on hilarious, so don't go in with ridiculous high expectations or it may not meet them " to which you're proving my point to a tee, right fucking now.

Watchmen fanboys are fucking obnoxious.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on October 10, 2011, 09:34:48 AM
I dunno, I'm about 1/4 of the way through and it's awesome-wowsome.  I didn't have much reading time this weekend but I hope to knock it out tonight .

Shit is amazing so far. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 10, 2011, 10:07:45 AM
I fail to see how I'm annihilated.

Just makes it better, really

"Temper your expectations" does not mean "it sucks". in this case, it means "Watchmen is a great comic, but the way comic geeks whack their nut all over it borders on hilarious, so don't go in with ridiculous high expectations or it may not meet them " to which you're proving my point to a tee, right fucking now.

Watchmen fanboys are fucking obnoxious.

I mocked you for a glaring tautology, SORRREEEE. That's what we do here, sonny. How does that make me a fanboy? Have I even expressed an opinion on Watchmen in here yet? You're projecting all over the place, probably because of some horrible thread on GAF that still gives you nightmares.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 10, 2011, 11:44:38 AM
STFU AND READ SOME COMIX!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2011, 01:21:38 PM
in a fit of nostalgia i dl some V1 X-Factor.

oh man, i would read anything when i was a kid, wouldn't i?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 10, 2011, 01:22:45 PM
Some of the furry shit in the last x-force run was kinda weirding me out
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 03:13:56 PM
I dunno, I'm about 1/4 of the way through and it's awesome-wowsome.  I didn't have much reading time this weekend but I hope to knock it out tonight .

Shit is amazing so far. 

Watchmen is one of the best superhero comics to exist. Unlike other comics in that time period that are said to change the game like Dark Knight Returns, Watchmen isn't overrated. Watchmen is fairly rated and deserves all accolades.

It's just that...some people like to use a lil' hyperbole in regards to it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on October 10, 2011, 03:15:10 PM
Let it go Himu, it's not that great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 03:31:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XSLdy.jpg)

Neo Tokyo is about to explode!

(http://i.imgur.com/hqO4N.jpg)

:bow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 03:38:46 PM
Action Comics covers for #3 and #4

(http://i.imgur.com/4Pmkal.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/nXY8Gl.jpg)

:bow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 10, 2011, 04:26:05 PM
TIL Quentin Quire likes FLCL
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 10, 2011, 04:55:05 PM
He'd be a homo if he didn't.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2011, 12:49:46 AM
Wait, Brian Wood is doing a Quentin Quire/Wolverine thing?
...
I don't even know how to react.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 15, 2011, 12:41:16 PM
I liked Suicide Squad #2, but really it just made me wish they'd ditch everyone and let Deadshot do his own series. This version of Quinn is really bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on October 15, 2011, 11:58:46 PM
Man, severed #3 was great. Its definitely the best current series I'm reading. Snyder is general is awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 17, 2011, 04:04:22 AM
Everyone - EVERYONE - should get The Immortal Iron Fist on comixology's one day 99c sale. At the least, get the issues with art by David Aja. Easily one of the best and most underrated artists working in cape comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on October 17, 2011, 10:22:34 AM
when is the 99c sale? 

Edit:  Oh.  Today.  I'll check out a few
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 21, 2011, 12:29:22 PM
Dear god. Just cancel Catwoman already. That said Birds of Prey Batgirl and Batman #2 were fun
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on October 21, 2011, 12:41:17 PM
I didn't even pick up Catwoman #2  :yuck  The first one showed me enough that I wasn't remotely interested.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 21, 2011, 01:02:48 PM
The cover of cat woman 2 is very WAT
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 22, 2011, 09:24:32 PM
LOL, even my friend that liked Catwoman #1 said that #2 was crap.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 22, 2011, 09:31:10 PM
Overview of Catwoman #2 [from what I could tell by flipping through it at the bookstore]:

-Catwoman and Batman are still getting sexy
-Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle act all sexy at a party
-Catwoman gets all sexy with Bruce Wayne after the party
-Catwoman gets beat up by thugs but is still kinda sexy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 22, 2011, 11:21:19 PM
lol god damnit worst of the new 52 for sure
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2011, 10:32:45 AM
(http://coverstosleepunder.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/batgirl15intro.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 23, 2011, 12:49:49 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 23, 2011, 12:56:30 PM
i don't get the ending

also, I really did not like Batman RIP
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2011, 02:27:49 PM
Its out of context so you won't get it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 23, 2011, 02:56:59 PM
It's from a pre-reboot issue of Batgirl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 23, 2011, 04:19:51 PM
I liked that run of Batgirl, was fun
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 26, 2011, 11:05:48 AM
Wolverine and the X-Men #1 is win.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 26, 2011, 01:40:43 PM
Wolverine and the X-Men #1 is win.

Spoil it for me!!!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 27, 2011, 12:44:29 AM
Just read it, Gundam. It's really fun. Reminds me of the start of Morrison's X-men but played for laughs. The class descriptions at the end are straight-up hilarious. Bacchalo's art is wonderfully expressive as usual - probably as good as anything I've seen from him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 27, 2011, 08:55:41 PM
Wolverine and the X-Men #1 is win.


Definitely a fun read, although Wolverine's personality was so NOT Wolverine.  :lol

Mr.Gundam- There's nothing to really spoil.  Issue one just sets stuff up.  Mansion is rebuilt and evaulated by the board of education, Hellfire brat threatens Wolvie.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 27, 2011, 10:09:01 PM
like it or not, that IS Wolverine in the current Marvel U - Aaron's been writing him that way for years now. He is of course doing the whole 'fish out of water' riff here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 27, 2011, 11:24:41 PM
Which is fine with me- someone cant live as long as he has and not change lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 28, 2011, 11:43:43 AM
Interesting end to Spider Island. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Mary Jane is still powered up and Peter is sitting with her at the end.  His current girlfriend is not even mentioned and is nowhere in sight.
[close]

like it or not, that IS Wolverine in the current Marvel U - Aaron's been writing him that way for years now. He is of course doing the whole 'fish out of water' riff here.

It's not, though-- Wolverine has a different personality in every freaking book he's in.  :lol 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 28, 2011, 10:24:52 PM
Just read it, Gundam. It's really fun. Reminds me of the start of Morrison's X-men but played for laughs. The class descriptions at the end are straight-up hilarious. Bacchalo's art is wonderfully expressive as usual - probably as good as anything I've seen from him.
I ordered a physical copy. ComiXology has shown me one thing about an iPod Touch screen and comics: SIZE DOES MATTER.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 30, 2011, 10:39:02 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61oq%2BOSfsgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Age-Apocalypse-Scott-Lobdell/dp/0785159827/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1HFM9ZM28U00L&colid=2QM6L71N76HFT

Just in time for my birthday- cant wait. I have the first TPB releases but hardcover edition = MO BETTA
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 31, 2011, 11:47:43 AM
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/10/dresdencodaktales.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 31, 2011, 11:52:29 AM
 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 31, 2011, 01:24:29 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61oq%2BOSfsgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Age-Apocalypse-Scott-Lobdell/dp/0785159827/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1HFM9ZM28U00L&colid=2QM6L71N76HFT

Just in time for my birthday- cant wait. I have the first TPB releases but hardcover edition = MO BETTA

Looks like Marvel is also going to be starting an Age Of Apocalypse ONGOING series, spinning out of X-Force.

(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2011/10/uxforcepo2010019cov-1319169900.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 31, 2011, 02:39:06 PM
awww shiiiiiit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 02, 2011, 10:48:50 AM
Apparently part of sticking with Scott after the schism for Emma is getting to dress in even less clothing. Comic books, now even more embarrassing to explain to your friends.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on November 02, 2011, 10:56:42 AM
My wife made the mistake of taking Catwoman to work to read during her lunch break.  She tried showing it to a girl there when she asked about comics and yeah :-\  funny looks aplenty
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 02, 2011, 11:07:02 AM
Haha, I remember thinking "maybe issue two will be different" -then I saw the cover of issue two. I've since deleted the first issue on my iPad. Not giving that another chance
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on November 02, 2011, 11:11:08 AM
 :lol

they pulled issue 2 for us and when I went to clean out my box I quietly threw it back on the shelf.  No no no no no no.  Not even wasting my time. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 02, 2011, 11:29:20 AM
go read some Love and Rockets, let the healing begin
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 02, 2011, 12:22:35 PM
If they were smart they would have made the cover page 2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 02, 2011, 12:34:15 PM
Apparently part of sticking with Scott after the schism for Emma is getting to dress in even less clothing. Comic books, now even more embarrassing to explain to your friends.

You mean like the old White Queen outfit or something?

What's embarrassing about this stuff, anyway?  Doesn't matter what they do with superhero books...they're always gonna be the mark of shame to your friends!   :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2011, 11:04:34 PM
I just bought this Kamandi pic from artist Tom Fowler:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-AZ3MHJ6XFKA/Tn-sJtjzL_I/AAAAAAAABp4/6i4pGHKfqps/s1600/KAMANDItwartc150.jpg)

Some process stuff here for the art nerds:
http://bigbugillustration.blogspot.com/2011/09/kamandi-searchdestroy-twartists.html

The inspiration was the Iggy and the Stooges track, 'Search and Destroy'. The lyrics fit the Kamandi story to an eerie degree. 'I am the World's Forgotten Boy'...

The lettered and colored version is cool as hell but it's digital-only:

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9_-VpdcFRfU/TojUuqZO21I/AAAAAAAABqw/RK_UvCp2tHU/s400/KAMANDItwartkyleweb.jpg)

More pics when it arrives and I get it framed etc. I'm asking him for a high-res version of the lettered/colored version so I can print it out and frame them side by side.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on November 06, 2011, 07:34:00 AM
Soopahkewl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on November 06, 2011, 03:06:56 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61oq%2BOSfsgL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/X-Men-Age-Apocalypse-Scott-Lobdell/dp/0785159827/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I1HFM9ZM28U00L&colid=2QM6L71N76HFT

Just in time for my birthday- cant wait. I have the first TPB releases but hardcover edition = MO BETTA

AWESOME!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 07, 2011, 01:27:32 PM
Why is it they can never keep Batmans shit consistent through the movies? His new costume is trying too hard

(http://i.imgur.com/VVMIC.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 07, 2011, 01:34:33 PM
That's starting to look like a Schumaker-era costume.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 07, 2011, 01:59:44 PM
All it needs are some pointy nips
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 07, 2011, 04:47:25 PM
This only effects me, but I just want it to be known that I'm peeved that DC released the Flashpoint trade now, but the Flashpoint tie-ins won't be released until March. Now I have to wait 4 months to do my Identity Crisis --> Flashpoint marathon.

(http://i.imgur.com/CAA7G.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on November 15, 2011, 10:19:44 AM
i am totally fucking addicted to Back Issue magazine now.

If you're a fan of Bronze age comics, check them out.  Great detailed articles and The Comics Journal style interviews with artists and writers of stuff which is largely overlooked in comic fandom.  It balances a nicely between TCJs taking comics seriously and Wizard Magazine's populist leanings.

You can get them in nicely inexpensive PDF format from the publisher at $3 a pop
http://twomorrows.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=98_54&sort=20a&page=1

You can also download a free copy of all their other magazines, something I have done, but I haven't yet looked into them.  I think Eel would be quite interested in Alter Ego, which focuses on Golden and Silver age topics and creators.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 17, 2011, 12:31:57 AM
Man, so disappointed in Suicide Squad, had potential but somehow it's just boring with a the most un Harley Harley ever
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on November 18, 2011, 05:26:36 PM
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lurmm39Ojm1qdz8ujo1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 30, 2011, 03:36:32 PM
New X-Men is out and all I can think of, even with empending doom from every direction, is how the hell Emma's gonna get that arm situation resolved.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on November 30, 2011, 10:20:24 PM
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lurmm39Ojm1qdz8ujo1_500.jpg)

how am i supposed to be reacting here
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 30, 2011, 10:43:33 PM
that does not look like a comfortable pose
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on November 30, 2011, 10:50:16 PM
I think Eel would be quite interested in Alter Ego, which focuses on Golden and Silver age topics and creators.

i subscribed to AE for a long time, didn't know they still published it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on November 30, 2011, 11:39:28 PM
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lurmm39Ojm1qdz8ujo1_500.jpg)

how am i supposed to be reacting here

Stephanie was a fun Batgirl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 01, 2011, 09:28:04 AM
(http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lurmm39Ojm1qdz8ujo1_500.jpg)

how am i supposed to be reacting here

You have a number of options. You can agree that girl-Robins are hawt. You can agree that there have been too many Robins. Or you can kill one by calling a special phone number.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 01, 2011, 06:25:47 PM
Oh thank god they finally upgraded the Marvel iPad App
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 06, 2011, 11:09:43 AM
Is Sandman worth reading?

yes, though it's totally 90s these days
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 06, 2011, 11:41:40 AM
I went back and read it and while it holds up for the most part, it's definitely an artifact of the 90s.  I kind of wish we had that Gaiman around instead of our current model.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 06, 2011, 11:44:51 AM
I went back and read it and while it holds up for the most part, it's definitely an artifact of the 90s.  I kind of wish we had that Gaiman around instead of our current model.

what I found interesting when rereading it is that the arcs I liked and the arcs I disliked had almost done a complete 180 from when I was a teenager

I now :heart Game of You
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 06, 2011, 12:04:46 PM
Is Sandman worth reading?

yes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 06, 2011, 06:40:23 PM
NEW COMICS AVATAR

+luv to the first to ID
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 06, 2011, 09:37:00 PM
Deepo, natch
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 06, 2011, 10:46:24 PM
Deepo, natch

:heart U

Are you my 1/750 brother in cultural imperialism?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 07, 2011, 09:05:15 PM
Deepo, natch

:heart U

Are you my 1/750 brother in cultural imperialism?

How soon we forget.

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32804.msg1252769;topicseen#msg1252769

Also got the Metabarons collection but haven't cracked it yet. Been buyin' mad comix yo, must do a update post of my fat staxx
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 07, 2011, 09:27:20 PM
I'm waffling on the Metabarons but should just buy it - if I end up regretting it, I can always flip it for a $250 profit later on! :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2011, 03:35:41 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5bzoT.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/6JgJ3.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OxNoi.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/XmIis.jpg)

Time to get some Geoff Johns up in here. :rock

Just finished reading War of the Green Lantern, lol @ Kyle Rayner being whiny and useless for back-to-back volumes. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 09, 2011, 04:21:08 PM
So they kill spiderman, and then release avenging spiderman series? Im confused! Oh well- least its been a fun two issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 09, 2011, 07:02:30 PM
So they kill spiderman, and then release avenging spiderman series? Im confused! Oh well- least its been a fun two issues.

Ultimate (universe) Spider-Man was killed off...not the real one.

They killed a shit-ton of Ultimate characters off, actually.  Wolverine was killed and replaced with his teenage bastard son (not Daken), for instance.

Meanwhile in the regular Marvel universe, the CLONE SAGA resurfaces, as Kaine came back, was "cured" of disfigurements, and is now the new Scarlet Spider.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 10, 2011, 02:33:32 AM
I'm waffling on the Metabarons but should just buy it - if I end up regretting it, I can always flip it for a $250 profit later on! :lol

Is that series good after it gets going? I have a mess of singles from a friend; I read the first few issues, but it felt like eurojank/Heavy Metal at its most obtuse.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 10, 2011, 02:39:55 AM
argh hate the clone bullshit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Herr Mafflard on December 10, 2011, 10:47:36 AM
NEW COMICS AVATAR

+luv to the first to ID

The Incal hardback I bought just arrived today and I was flicking through it when I saw the image in your avatar. Kinda cool. Didn't know it was from The Incal as I didn't click on Cormac's link.

(http://i.imgur.com/KWjHt.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2011, 06:32:26 AM
:drudge

Invisibles Omnibus!

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LMJtO12PL._SS500_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401234593/ref=pd_1ctyhuc__sbs_02_02

:drudge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 17, 2011, 08:29:22 AM
that's a lot of comics in on volume

if it's anything like teen titans omnibus it will be too difficult to actually read the middle issues

i'd rather have each series in its own individual omnibus format
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2011, 08:52:52 AM
It's DOUBLE the length of the TT omnibus, over 1500 pages. The closest thing I have to it is the Simonson Thor book, which is 1100. It's still readable but only in the lighter-than-kettlebells-i-suppose sort of way. This thing will be fucking insane. They should really put it in two volumes in a slipcase or something. (3 would make sense too obvs)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 17, 2011, 08:53:30 AM
having said that i pre-ordered it instantly anyway, may as well lock in the pre-order price guarantee early
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 17, 2011, 11:41:17 AM
having said that i pre-ordered it instantly anyway, may as well lock in the pre-order price guarantee early

Good idea. How does that work? You place the order for its current price, and if it goes up once it's on sale, it doesn't affect what you've already paid?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 17, 2011, 11:59:45 AM
also if the price goes LOWER they charge you less when it actually ships.  it's pretty cool if you know you want something
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 17, 2011, 12:25:23 PM
Bought, but with the same reservations. I've endured both the New X-Men and Thor omnibae... I know this book will be ridiculously unreadable. Here's hoping for digital rerelease of any recoloring!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on December 17, 2011, 05:39:34 PM
Im all bout that hardcove AoA omnibus release next year omggg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2012, 09:24:12 AM
Can't say I'm surprised
Quote

The comics that DC will cancel, effective in April, are “Blackhawks,” “O.M.A.C.”, “Men of War,” and “Hawk and Dove,” as well as “Mister Terrific” and “Static Shock,” which are among the rare mainstream titles to focus on African-American heroes.

Among the series that it will introduce (or reintroduce) in May is “Batman Incorporated,” written by the popular comics author Grant Morrison and illustrated by Chris Burnham, in which the alter ego of Bruce Wayne deals with worldwide crises; DC was publishing a similar series before it began its company-wide makeover, called “The New 52,” at the end of the summer.

Other new titles include “Dial H,” written by the science-fiction and fantasy novelist China Miéville, and which DC described in a news release as “a bold new take on a cult classic concept about the psychological effects on an everyman who accidentally gains powers to become a hero.” The publisher will also start series called “Earth 2″ and “Worlds’ Finest,” set in a parallel reality; as well as “G. I. Combat” and “The Ravagers,” about a group of teenage heroes.

I LOVE the Dial H for HERO concept and always have.  I'm very curious to see China's take on the while thing
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 12, 2012, 09:32:16 AM
DC doesn't care about black people.
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Post by: bork on January 12, 2012, 09:53:26 AM
LOL at those cancellations.  I'd be happy about Hawk and Dove, but Rob is being put on Deathstroke instead.

Also LOLOLOL at them bringing BACK "Earth 2" stuff after all the nonsense they did to remove parallel universes.

Know what would be awesome?  If Earth 2 was the DC Universe before the reset.  :p

On the Marvel side of things, Wolverine And The X-Men #4 re-introduces X-Force to some of the X-Men.  Wolverine continuously mentions that he is now a teacher by day, assassin by night.  The whole point of X-Force was to keep everything hidden.  Even worse, whereas when the team was exposed previously, the X-Men were disgusted, but now they're just like "well I don't like it, buuuuut...."  ::)
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Post by: chronovore on January 12, 2012, 12:11:42 PM
Can't say I'm surprised
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The comics that DC will cancel, effective in April, are “Blackhawks,” “O.M.A.C.”, “Men of War,” and “Hawk and Dove,” as well as “Mister Terrific” and “Static Shock,” which are among the rare mainstream titles to focus on African-American heroes.

Among the series that it will introduce (or reintroduce) in May is “Batman Incorporated,” written by the popular comics author Grant Morrison and illustrated by Chris Burnham, in which the alter ego of Bruce Wayne deals with worldwide crises; DC was publishing a similar series before it began its company-wide makeover, called “The New 52,” at the end of the summer.

Other new titles include “Dial H,” written by the science-fiction and fantasy novelist China Miéville, and which DC described in a news release as “a bold new take on a cult classic concept about the psychological effects on an everyman who accidentally gains powers to become a hero.” The publisher will also start series called “Earth 2″ and “Worlds’ Finest,” set in a parallel reality; as well as “G. I. Combat” and “The Ravagers,” about a group of teenage heroes.

I LOVE the Dial H for HERO concept and always have.  I'm very curious to see China's take on the while thing

There is not enough SMH in the reserves to cover this.

Superhero deaths not being permanent is now extended TO ENTIRE REALITIES.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2012, 12:13:29 PM
really curious about China's Dial H

I'm dropping Animal Man after the first arc - it's barreling straight into a Swamp Thing crossover and I can't pretend to keep up
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 12, 2012, 12:20:52 PM
They should cancel catwoman imo, what crap that is- also how did Voodoo escape their wrath?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 12, 2012, 12:24:04 PM
They should cancel catwoman imo, what crap that is- also how did Voodoo escape their wrath?

Tits ftw, apparently.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2012, 12:44:59 PM
They should cancel catwoman imo, what crap that is- also how did Voodoo escape their wrath?

Tits ftw, apparently.

tits > black heroes' tits > black heroes without tits
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 12, 2012, 12:58:35 PM
But shes not REALLY black, shes green
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 12, 2012, 01:25:52 PM
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w56/MyraGrozinger/New%20Start/alan.jpg)
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 12, 2012, 01:44:44 PM
:rofl
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 12, 2012, 01:48:31 PM
Thats the best thing ever
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Post by: Eric P on January 12, 2012, 02:03:45 PM
I just picked up the Scott Snyder Batman book The Black Mirror.  Did anyone else follow his run at the end of Detective Comics?  It's some damn fine stuff.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2012, 08:17:42 PM
yeah, I liked it although shame on you for calling it the Scott Snyder book ;)

 Jock is god tier, Francavilla is also tops and that Joker cover is > all
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 12, 2012, 08:44:28 PM
really curious about China's Dial H

I'm dropping Animal Man after the first arc - it's barreling straight into a Swamp Thing crossover and I can't pretend to keep up

Can't help but be curious - the silver age stuff was corny beyond words but still kinda fun. I seriously doubt he will be using characters designed by 8yr old fans though :lol

Did you read his Hellblazer stuff? No-one seemed very enthused but it seems a hell of a lot better fit for him than Dial H.

I'm still on both Animal Man and Swamp Thing - Travel Foreman's art on Animal Man genuinely creeps me the fuck out. Love it.
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Post by: chronovore on January 13, 2012, 07:06:47 PM
China did a run on Hellblazer? Or are you talking about Snyder?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2012, 09:53:37 PM
China. I haven't read it. Read enough Hellblazer for several lifetimes already....
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Post by: chronovore on January 13, 2012, 10:16:22 PM
I've read just enough that the character is still interesting to me. I'll check it out.
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Post by: Eric P on January 14, 2012, 08:00:24 AM
i love hellblazer but haven't read it in like a decade.
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Post by: Momo on January 14, 2012, 08:02:47 AM
I need to get back into comics, but these various reboots and re imaginations are putting me off
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2012, 09:54:58 AM
Simply avoid Marvel and DC then!
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 14, 2012, 11:45:22 AM
ipad got me back into new comic releases- but ive followed some series through tpb releases before that
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Post by: Momo on January 14, 2012, 12:09:33 PM
Simply avoid Marvel and DC then!
Recommends my good man!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 14, 2012, 01:16:08 PM
Chew is awesome and my go-to recommendation for new comics readers.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2012, 10:02:16 PM
OK, some very accessible non-Marvel / DC recommendations (including Vertigo and Icon here though). Unlikely anyone would like ALL of these but any comic reader will likely find something they like. All are ongoing except for Severed (7 issue mini i think). Godland is ending in a couple of issues but it's so long and so good that you should get on board before it ends.

Locke & Key
Chew
Scalped
Hellboy
BPRD
The Boys
Walking Dead
Invincible
Scalped
The Unwritten
Criminal // Fatale // whatever Brubaker & Philips are working on currently
Casanova
Godland
Irredeemable
Blue Estate
Severed
The Sixth Gun
Atomic Robo
Sweet Tooth
Witch Doctor

Plus there are always quality OGNs coming out...if you were so inclined you could read nothing but new OGNs every month. Not to mention collections and reprints of classic stuff. Really, your money and time is better spent avoiding Marvel/DC continuity and just looking for quality comics wherever they may be. Following Marvel / DC exclusively is like confining your listening to Top 40 radio.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 14, 2012, 10:04:26 PM
btw Howard Alan Treesong - you should totes try Witch Doctor if you haven't already. It's as funny as Chew. I will now attempt to sell it to you with a sample 2 word gag buried in the background of one panel and never alluded to directly in the story:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Arkham Aquarium
[close]
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Post by: Great Rumbler on January 14, 2012, 10:20:09 PM
Best non-Marvel/DC comic? Jim Balent's Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose. Don't believe me? Check it, yo:

http://www.the-isb.com/?p=980
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 15, 2012, 09:39:34 AM
I'm trying to read Hellboy/BRPD now but the continuity is hellacious. I should just buy the huge hardcover Absolutes and save myself the pain of math

I like Morning Glories; I'd add it to your list

Let me know when Godland actually finishes, I have always been curious as a Kirby fann

Finally, sell me on Atomic Robo... is it comedy? action? action-comedy?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2012, 11:02:45 AM
yeah, get the Hellboy Library editions and the BPRD Plague of Frogs hardcovers. ~$35 for the former and ~$23 for the latter. The Mignola stuff is hundreds of pages of art that you could just cut out and plaster your house with.  Complete the decor with a few pentangle throw rugs and some dripping candles!

Godland is 2 issues away from finishing, which means only about another 2 years to go. But it's not like the story is particularly coherent. It's a moment-to-moment thing, a vibe, a wave that you ride, a door that you open in your brain!

Atomic Robo is basically science Hellboy played for laughs. It's the Saturday action serial to Hellboy's Hammer House of Horror. It's very light but clever and expertly paced. The different volumes do that Planetary genre-hopping thing too (as they're set in different eras, the titular Robo being quite old). I'm divided on the art - it has its moments, some of the characters are very expressive...but it's overall pretty bland and he really cheats on backgrounds etc. The script and characterizations are much more of a draw for me.
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Post by: Eric P on January 15, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
Atomic Robo is pretty grand. 
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Post by: bork on January 15, 2012, 02:26:05 PM
Best non-Marvel/DC comic? Jim Balent's Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose. Don't believe me? Check it, yo:

http://www.the-isb.com/?p=980
(http://www.the-isb.com/images/Tarot53e.jpg)

 :lol
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 15, 2012, 02:36:35 PM
from the travel channel?
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Post by: Momo on January 15, 2012, 03:11:27 PM
Thanks for the recs Corma <3
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 15, 2012, 09:21:31 PM
:drudge

All of Y: The Last Man is on sale at comixology. $58 for the complete 60-odd issue run (1st issue is free).
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Post by: Eric P on January 16, 2012, 04:37:43 AM
thanks to a swap table, I am reading the original run of Suicide Squad. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 16, 2012, 09:05:31 AM
from the travel channel?

Yes, her vagina got haunted by the ghost of Steve Irwin, and Adam Richman had to save her by eating an entire Anthony Bourdain in less than an hour.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 29, 2012, 12:20:23 PM
I'm digging the new Scarlet Spider series. Set in Texas sooweirdddddd
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 30, 2012, 09:36:25 AM
Try and get hold of a copy of The Long Halloween before you read Dark Victory. DV is a direct sequel to LH, and parts of it are going to leave you feeling a little lost if you haven't read it. The two form a fairly stand alone story that doesn't really require you having extensive knowledge of Batman comics.

I remember some people liking it back then, but I thought Knightfall was straight 90s era inbred fan/collector trash. I think those two Trades collect the entire main storyline from the comics, though.

Batman: The Ressurection of Ra's Al Ghul collects:
Batman #670-671, Robin #168-169, Nightwing #138-139, Detective Comics #838-839

Batman: Long Shadows collects:
Batman comics issues #687-691

Batman: Life After Death collects:
Batman comics issues #692-699

So I guess read those trades in that order.

Arkham City takes place between the two video games. I don't know how much knowledge you need of them before jumping into that.

Batman: Noel is a one-shot self contained story, and Haunted Knight collects three one-shot stories. You can read those (as well as Long Halloween/Dark Victory) in any order, really.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 30, 2012, 01:06:12 PM
batgirl is always consistently good IMO, so is batwoman.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2012, 01:15:26 PM
Batman: Noel has some sweet art. That's pretty much it.

Long Shadows and Life After Death both take place right after Batman's "death" and the Battle for the Cowl, I don't know how easy it'll be to get into those if you haven't already been following Batman. Bruce Wayne is gone and Dick Grayson (original Robin) is now Batman and Bruce's son Damian is Robin.
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Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2012, 01:37:48 PM
Batman: Noel has some sweet art. That's pretty much it.

Long Shadows and Life After Death both take place right after Batman's "death" and the Battle for the Cowl, I don't know how easy it'll be to get into those if you haven't already been following Batman. Bruce Wayne is gone and Dick Grayson (original Robin) is now Batman and Bruce's son Damian is Robin.

WAT!? When did that happen?
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 30, 2012, 01:41:38 PM
He's back so whatever lol
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 30, 2012, 03:02:20 PM
That whole storyline was weird as hell. I've read Batman RIP, Final Crisis, and The Return of Bruce Wayne, and none of that shit makes a lick of sense. But I'm fine with that, because we got Morrison's Batman and Robin out of it, which was awesome.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 30, 2012, 04:05:29 PM
also im not sure what to think of the Hope --> Namor --> Emma "Friends"-style love triangle thats forming, but at least Magneto is being awesome.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2012, 07:06:22 PM
That whole storyline was weird as hell. I've read Batman RIP, Final Crisis, and The Return of Bruce Wayne, and none of that shit makes a lick of sense. But I'm fine with that, because we got Morrison's Batman and Robin out of it, which was awesome.

I spent around an hour explaining it all to someone in a bar one night. It can be done but it takes a bit of work. David Uzumeri's annotations at Comics Alliance help a lot, but you still have to do a lot of work yourself (i.e. reading it multiple times and thinking about it all day long instead of working ahem)
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Post by: Vizzys on January 30, 2012, 07:28:02 PM
yall should buy this

http://www.amazon.com/Old-City-Blues-Giannis-Milonogiannis/dp/1936393204/ref=wl_it_dp_o_npd?ie=UTF8&coliid=I127XXE0PBRMU4&colid=SJWZVJINT70X
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Post by: Dickie Dee on January 30, 2012, 08:02:52 PM
Currently reading Moore's Supreme run. Really love it, though as much as it lovingly embraces (while teasing) the Golden/Silver Age, it's accuracy to it also makes me realize I'm on the fence between that and 90's Exxreme that it more harshly lampoons. Both were pretty shite, though at least the former had alot of fun with it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2012, 09:28:34 PM
Oh yeah, Moore's Supreme is the SHIT. Best Superman ever, bar All Star Superman.
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Post by: chronovore on January 31, 2012, 07:48:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1Ak7ZMIh74
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2012, 09:26:05 PM
:lol
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 01, 2012, 09:25:17 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/01/books/dc-comics-plans-prequels-to-watchmen-series.html?_r=1

cover artwork:

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/01/before-watchmen-gallery-quote-file/
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Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 09:27:02 AM
Well, that seems unfortunate.
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Mr. Moore, who has disassociated himself from DC Comics and the industry at large, called the new venture “completely shameless.”

Speaking by telephone from his home in Northampton, England, Mr. Moore said, “I tend to take this latest development as a kind of eager confirmation that they are still apparently dependent on ideas that I had 25 years ago.”
:lol

Moore's Supreme is beyond amazing.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 01, 2012, 09:49:20 AM
At one time Moore himself pondered doing a Minutemen prequel, so I can sort of see where that comes from, but he gave so much backstory to the characters in the miniseries that I wonder what exactly the creators hope to tell us with this new stuff. Comedian is a nihilistic sadist/rapist who still has a single shred of decency left in him? Been covered. Dr. Manhattan was a normal man who became a god and lost his humanity along the way?  Welcome to 1986. Rorshach always had mental problems and went fully insane after seeing just how terrible people could be to each other? Check mark already in the box, hurm. Ozymandias had been plotting and scheming a bittersweet Utopia since the very beginning? See issues 1-12 of Watchmen. Nite Owl truly believed in what he was doing until he realized what he'd been doing had never really amounted to much more than playacting? See fat naked Dan Dreiberg panels. Silk Spectre was a better actual hero than her mother but could never live up to her memory or influence? Did you read the miniseries, just look at the pictures?

I mean, it's a complete story (albeit with, imo, a really awkward smh endgame) with all the history inside.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 01, 2012, 11:07:40 AM
Yeah, it'sa  totally unnecessary and cynical exercise in copyright maintenance and fanbase-exploitation and I can see why Moore is pissed about it all over again. I am annoyed on his behalf because he really, genuinely doesn't want it to happen, and creators rights are important. DC has exploited a loophole in the original contracts for decades, and made millions out of it. Great short-term business decision for them, bad long-term business decision if they ever hope to have a creator on the level of Alan Moore do genuinely creative work for them again.

In a weird coincidence, considering both of these stories have been brewing for well over a decade, Neil Gaiman finally won his suit against Todd McFarlane over Gaiman's rights to characters he created for Spawn ages ago. He obviously has fuck-you money and is just doing it to make the point that comic creators' rights have to be respected by publishers. McFarlane seems to have been a total tool about it so glad to see him nailed to the wall.

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Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2012, 11:43:47 AM
Not only that, but Image was created in response to Marvel/DC's "fuck you" attitude to their talented staff, so having MacFarlane taking Gaiman to the mat over something like this is double-extra tool-like.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 01, 2012, 12:41:55 PM
well, at least straczynski finally got what he wanted, he's been writing watchmen knockoffs for years
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Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2012, 03:09:35 PM
Picked up the Xombi and Batman:Gates of Gotham trades. Love Scott Snyder's Batman books.  Black mirror is still phenomenal after reading it a few times in a row.  It just captures this great frisson of detective work and psychological craziness I love in my Batbooks.

I wish I liked his American Vampire but it's just too blargh.  I guess "typical?"  I dunno.

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well, at least straczynski finally got what he wanted, he's been writing watchmen knockoffs for years
I really liked his Justice League knock off for the Marvel Max line
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Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2012, 03:28:32 PM
well, at least straczynski finally got what he wanted, he's been writing watchmen knockoffs for years
Admit it, you're just jealous that you couldn't think of and sell the idea of Superman walking across the country lecturing people.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 01, 2012, 08:01:27 PM
i would write that, only i would jack him up on about a dozen different types of kryptonite first
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Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2012, 08:03:33 PM
i would write that, only i would jack him up on about a dozen different types of kryptonite first
:lol

"I came for the rhetoric, but stayed for the collateral damage."
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 01, 2012, 08:05:49 PM
ape superman dishing out life lessons while flinging poo at supersonic speeds

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Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2012, 08:44:38 PM
Yeah I'd read that.

Fuck, I'd even read a Brave and the Bold team up with Superape and Gorilla Grod

now I want to go buy some crazy ass Silver Age reprints.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2012, 01:19:01 AM
Picked up the Xombi and Batman:Gates of Gotham trades. Love Scott Snyder's Batman books.  Black mirror is still phenomenal after reading it a few times in a row.  It just captures this great frisson of detective work and psychological craziness I love in my Batbooks.

I wish I liked his American Vampire but it's just too blargh.  I guess "typical?"  I dunno.

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well, at least straczynski finally got what he wanted, he's been writing watchmen knockoffs for years
I really liked his Justice League knock off for the Marvel Max line

American Vampire has a fair amount of variety and the art is consistently great, so you might find you like the later stuff even if you didn't like it in the early going. Check out the Jordi Bernet stuff, for example. It's basically a Western. The current storyline is set in the 50s, with a Rebel Without a Cause vibe. Great stuff.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2012, 01:23:01 AM
well, at least straczynski finally got what he wanted, he's been writing watchmen knockoffs for years

I put this on twitter last night but anyway: I kinda wish Alan Moore would be tapped to helm a revival of Babylon 5 and just go thermonuclear on it
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 02, 2012, 09:45:51 AM
:lol

creator-wise this whole thing seems like http://www.fanfiction.net/comic/Watchmen/
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Post by: Eric P on February 02, 2012, 10:18:13 AM
Read Gates of Gotham last night.  It wasn't as good as the Black Mirror stuff, but it was still enjoyable.  I wish it had another issue so that it could expand on the mystery angle a bit more.

Started to read Xombi last night but had to stop because it looked too weird for casual reading.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
I really liked Xombi. Frazier Irving :heart

I'm pretty sure you would dig Prophet by Brandon Graham/Simon Roy, Eric P.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2012, 10:20:44 AM
Also, I haven't read Gates of Gotham but I think it rolls right into the current Batman run by Snyder.
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Post by: Eric P on February 02, 2012, 10:23:28 AM
Yeah that was the reason I grabbed it.

I'm going to wait for a trade on Prophet. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 02, 2012, 10:28:32 AM
I ordered Black Mirror last night, also got Batman & Robin Vol 4.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 02, 2012, 10:57:38 AM
hahaha, i had a weird feeling i was being a bit of a hypocrite in this thread

http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=33283.0

i was reading through my old posts in that thread, since then i have read watchmen again and had a slight change of heart

i still think the "reveal' ending is bad, and i still think the "sacred ground" argument doesn't really hold water, but i am of the opinion that this series of miniseries is totally unnecessary because the backstory has already been thoroughly covered and there's nothing new to tell there

will still download for more informed trolling purposes
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Post by: Eric P on February 02, 2012, 02:02:01 PM
also got Batman & Robin Vol 4.

I read those thanks to my library.  I'm holding off now for the "deluxe" HC editions which will start rolling out this year.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 02, 2012, 08:25:26 PM
Holy Hell, I just read this article about what happened to Bill Mantlo:

http://www.lifehealthpro.com/2011/11/07/tragic-tale

I am thoroughly depressed, heartbreaking stuff there :(

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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2012, 09:40:00 PM
Yeah, I'd heard about that on a podcast (11 O'Clock comics) and I was fighting back the tears. Gave $50 by PayPal but compared to the costs he's facing it's nothing. Marvel should be stepping up but yeah right. Ike Perlmutter has a net worth in the billions ($1.6 bn from the Disney acquisition of Marvel alone) but does he give a fuck? Riiiight
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2012, 10:08:23 PM
A 24hr comic which is getting a lot of justified praise. Must have been some strong fucking espresso is all I can say

http://english.bouletcorp.com/2012/02/01/darkness/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 02, 2012, 10:28:12 PM
Holy Hell, I just read this article about what happened to Bill Mantlo:

http://www.lifehealthpro.com/2011/11/07/tragic-tale

I am thoroughly depressed, heartbreaking stuff there :(

Dude should have had insurance, it was his own fault for not taking responsibility for his own health care costs.

OH WAIT.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 02, 2012, 10:34:01 PM
i totally don't believe that was done in 24 hours, but it was pretty good!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 04, 2012, 12:04:28 PM
:lol

http://watchmen2creatordarwyncooke.tumblr.com/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2012, 02:53:27 PM
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“Generally, if I can’t be true to the creator’s intention and spirit, I will probably shy away from working on a character.”

Well, he did say "probably".
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: patrickula on February 04, 2012, 05:52:28 PM
That Alan Moore webcast was pretty awesome. 2.5 hours and I saw Cormacaroni in there!

Alan confirmed that he is God :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 04, 2012, 08:25:11 PM
That Alan Moore webcast was pretty awesome. 2.5 hours and I saw Cormacaroni in there!

Alan confirmed that he is God :bow2

ditto! I posted about it in here a few times I think. Pretty wild that 2 Borians showed up out of only 60 or so people in the world watching. It was pretty much no holds barred, wasn't it? Addressed a bunch of touchy issues head on, like the rapiness in much of his work, Grant Morrison, the issues with corporate comics...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: patrickula on February 04, 2012, 11:54:45 PM
It was pretty wild that there were two Bore users in there in such a small crowd. Small internet for sure! I haven't even looked at the Bore enough lately to have noticed it being talked up here so seeing someone there was an amusing surprise.

I tried recording the webcast with very little planning on my part... so I got video but no audio, oops  :lol
I'm pretty sure I would have been better off the other way around.

Fortunately the organizers will supposedly be distributing recordings later for a small price so it should end up out there. It's certainly possible that someone else recorded it themselves, but like Cormacaroni said, there were only about 60 people watching.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: patrickula on February 05, 2012, 12:04:30 AM
One interesting bit related to the contradiction between people using his work in the Watchmen prequels or move is of his work and the way he appropriates characters in LXG and Lost Girls.
I'm not sure his explanation was totally satisfactory but it seemed to come down to the difference between stealing (fine and done in literature forever) and adaptation (terrible).

He also did some interesting talking about time as a solid object that our consciousness passes through.

The Grant Morrison stuff was pretty good. He was dismissive of Morrison as an imitator who only came after him to get famous. Apparently he and Michael Moorcock argue about who Morrison rips off more (Moore says Moorcock).

Something else interesting was his dismissal of the sad, modern-life-is-hollow comics that he particularly saw coming from America (I assume the Dan Clowes kind of stuff) and said those creators should try to be more like Joe Sacco.

He answered my chat-delivered question about whether Brought to Light would ever come back into print (great book)... he said no one had talked to him about it and it would be unlikely because of all the trouble with its publication before. He thought it was a great piece of work and it's too bad, something like that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: patrickula on February 05, 2012, 12:04:46 AM
Woops, didn't mean to make this post  :-[
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2012, 06:47:09 AM
Sure, his answer was a bit self-serving, and it boiled down to 'it's fine when a creative genius does it and not fine when a hack does it'.

But the big diff between Watchmen and LOEG etc is that the latter are public domain characters created by people who are now dead, and the former is by a creator who is very much alive and is so opposed to further abuse of the property that he gave up the movie rights and refused to take back the print rights from DC since that came with the condition that he would endorse the prequels.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: patrickula on February 05, 2012, 02:06:58 PM
Here's a piece summarizing some more parts of the Moore talk from one of the participants, with an embedded video: http://www.bleedingcool.com/2012/02/05/that-two-half-hour-alan-moore-webchat-missed/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 05, 2012, 07:37:02 PM
Meh, Here's THE WHOLE THING ;)

http://vimeo.com/36211102

Info on the project:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1844705603/harvey-pekar-library-statue-comics-as-art-and-lite

There is probably still a paypal addy you can donate to somewhere on there if you like.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on February 06, 2012, 07:31:11 AM
Started reading the Xombi trade.  It's crazy.  Loving it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 10, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UbiGt.jpg)

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/03/08/batman-odyssey-neal-adams-insane/

Wut...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 11, 2012, 02:34:26 PM
Batman & Robin Vol 4: Dark Knight, White Knight
Kinda meh. After Morrison left, they brought in some fill-in writers to wrap up the series before the reboot, and it wasn't as good. The second arc of the book with this White Knight character was blah, and the third arc with Jason Todd could not have been any more boring, but first arc by Paul Cornell with The Absence was pretty awesome. Old girlfriend of Bruce gets shot in the head but survives because of a brain deformity, then goes nuts when Bruce doesn't show up at her funeral. Pretty hilarious.

(http://i.imgur.com/TA6bT.jpg)

Batman: Black Mirror
Just flat out awesome. This is the best bat-book I've read in a long time. :rock

Gonna go read Gates of Gotham and The Dark Knight - Golden Dawn now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 16, 2012, 11:24:59 AM
I found a used TPB of Batman: The Long Halloween at Green Apple Books in San Francisco.

I almost bought No-Man's Land, but couldn't remember if it was supposedly good or crap. And there were SO MANY volumes of it...

Also picked up The Umbrella Academy at a beleaguered little figure shop in Union City. The story's finish does not quite live up the promise of the first several issues, but it is, overall, pretty damned fantastic. The art is also very good, looking like a more freeform version of Mignola's Hellboy style.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2012, 08:17:33 PM
Check out Daytripper and Casanova for more Ba / Moon art then (they're brothers with different surnames...). I prefer Moon but both are great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2012, 08:35:55 PM
The current 'largest books in my collection' - the Wally Wood Artist's Edition from IDW rules the roost

(https://p.twimg.com/Al0ZNRxCIAAcHC7.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2012, 08:50:56 PM
Picked up a nearly irresponsibly large pile of tpb today at Dr. Comics in Oakland. Black Mirror has been keeping me engaged for the last two hours. Very good stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 17, 2012, 09:05:59 PM
I finished my Batman marathon. Gates of Gotham was pretty good, not Black Mirror good, but it was a nice follow-up to Black Mirror, continuing with the theme of focusing on the city of Gotham itself as a malignant, corrupting entity. Then I read Golden Dawn and it was just weird; Batman fighting Etrigan and then TEAMING UP WITH Etrigan to fight another demon and some evil cultists. I guess they wanted to get Etrigan some more exposure (he was also in the most recent Green Arrow HC) since he was getting his own comic in the New 52, but it was just really bizarre reading Black Mirror and then this.

Now I'm moving over to Superman. I finished reading Black Ring which started out great in the first volume and then kinda pittered out in the second one. I'm reading some New Krypton stuff now, so I can KNEEL BEFORE ZOD and all that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on February 17, 2012, 10:37:28 PM
Local comic store is having a 30% off trades for President's Day.  I picked up The Batcave Companion which is all about the "New Look" (60s) and "Dark Detective" (70s) eras of Batman.  Great great great stuff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 22, 2012, 03:45:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Hb8ek.jpg)

Batman: Tales of the Batman, The Long Halloween, Black Mirror
The Walking Dead volumes 14 and 15 -- oddly hard to find anything past vol. 13
iZombie 1~3
Alan Moore League of Extraordinary Gentlemen 1969, which I didn't even know about. Necronomicon; didn't know about this, either.
Umbrella Academy 1 and 2, not shown: Umbrella Academy collection of PVC figures. Very cute.

The right-hand stuff was all half price, DV8 looks like crap but it's old Warren Ellis, and has a girl hero with a vagina dentata in her abdomen so, for $7, I'm in.
I like Invincible a lot, and was happy to find my next unread one for 1/2 price.
There's an Eddie Cambpell and a Ted Naifeh thing in there, too.

The paperback is not a comic, but it's Sean Stewart, and it's one of the few things he's done I haven't read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 01, 2012, 01:29:23 PM
I finished The Black Mirror, it was really very good. I'm not entirely sold on Dick-as-Batman, but I do like the variation Dick brings to the Batman style, and how Snyder politely calls attention to it without beating anyone over the head with it. In some ways, despite Dick's time as adult Robin, Nightwing, etc., the Batman he portrays is similar to the feel of Batman: Year One.

Seeing as Year One is my 2nd favorite Batman comic ever, I intend that as high praise.

That said, I felt a bit jumbled in terms of "who is doing what to whom?" - There are several villains, it's not clear who is in play at any given time (probably intentional), and the wrap-up is vaguely unsatisfying. Between this disjointed story path and the switch off between two very different art styles, this feels less like an arc, and more like a collection of ongoing stories. Which I guess it was.

I'm currently working through Powers: Who Killed Retro Girl, which I've never read, for some reason. So far, so good.

Also reading She-Hulk: Single Green Female, which was one of my half-off TPBs. It is surprisingly entertaining. She-Hulk gets kicked out of the Avengers' mansion and is offered a job at the most prestigious law firm, but only under the condition that she operate as Jen Walters in the office. Some clever cases are brought before her; it makes for good set-ups and punchlines.

I picked up Dead Ahead at ImageCon in Oakland on Saturday. I met the creators, and they seemed like nice guys, so I picked up their show-special book and poster, got them signed... Unfortunately, the art is a bit too subservient to its roots in the style of Alex Niño without understanding why Niño did some of what he did. It's pretty though! The writing is pretty good, though the dialog is full of unnecessary exclamations, one-liners which would feel better in an action comedy. And there's not enough comedy.

And then there is this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzNMtGx_cZc
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Post by: Eric P on March 01, 2012, 02:57:46 PM
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Also reading She-Hulk: Single Green Female, which was one of my half-off TPBs. It is surprisingly entertaining. She-Hulk gets kicked out of the Avengers' mansion and is offered a job at the most prestigious law firm, but only under the condition that she operate as Jen Walters in the office. Some clever cases are brought before her; it makes for good set-ups and punchlines.

this was seriously one of the greatest comics of its time.  It contained everything that was great about that era in Marvel comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on March 01, 2012, 03:50:06 PM
Avenging Spiderman is pretty great- new Scarlet Spider is fun too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2012, 10:38:50 AM
Just read this in one sitting

(http://www.fantagraphics.com/images/flog/covers/2011/bookcover_cabbi1.jpg)

this is, to borrow a phrase from semiotic theory, some seriously fucked up shit

Might even have to give it the Eric P :drudge in fact
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 02, 2012, 06:09:33 PM
The fruits of my latest HPB run:

(http://i.imgur.com/J5EHI.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 02, 2012, 08:08:28 PM
Just read this in one sitting

(http://www.fantagraphics.com/images/flog/covers/2011/bookcover_cabbi1.jpg)

this is, to borrow a phrase from semiotic theory, some seriously fucked up shit

Might even have to give it the Eric P :drudge in fact

I remember reading that in Raw back in the day

great stuff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 02, 2012, 08:31:47 PM
Ah, the hot warm bath of Eric P approbation :)

In a similar vein, I also got that Pinocchio book by Winschluss...will post when I get around to reading it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 02, 2012, 09:21:38 PM
Ah, the hot warm bath of Eric P approbation :)

In a similar vein, I also got that Pinocchio book by Winschluss...will post when I get around to reading it.

My Euro friends have been recommending the hell out of that one - keep me posted!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 07, 2012, 09:04:40 AM
finally grabbed the Bulletproof Coffin trade.

fucking amazing.

great art and a mind bending story that is about...well, comic nerds, collecting and obsession
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 07, 2012, 08:00:05 PM
:rock

Easily my favorite comic of 2010. Are you getting Disinterred? On issue 2 (of 6 i think) now, and it's crazy. It doesn't seem to have the meta aspect of the original but that frees them up to do just insane little short stories...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 08, 2012, 01:23:09 AM
i'm not currently reading it, no. i don't read a lot of monthlies.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 08, 2012, 01:54:51 AM
Well, make a note to find the trade when it comes out I guess.You'd dig it the most
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 09, 2012, 04:38:57 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Batman-Robin-Reborn/dp/1401237371/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331329045&sr=1-2

I am very curious to see what is in this
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 09, 2012, 05:18:41 PM
I heard it's the Morrison run of B&R, so the first 16 issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2012, 06:46:22 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Absolute-Batman-Robin-Reborn/dp/1401237371/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1331329045&sr=1-2

I am very curious to see what is in this

Yeah, the 3 Morrison trades, all of which I bought in deluxe HC format already :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2012, 07:08:03 AM
Finally got that Kamandi pic by Tom Fowler (whom you may know from Mysterious the Unfathomable and recently Venom) framed. He was kind enough to include a full-sized print of the colored and lettered version as well, so I could frame them side-by-side. He was listening to Iggy and the Stooge's 'Search and Destroy' and thought the lyrics were basically describing Kirby's Kamandi, so he did a mash-up. I <3 it

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7202/6969249103_5527217b13_b.jpg)

(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7044/6823127170_f6b0b13711_b.jpg)
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Also got this sketch of Nexus (& Sondra) by Mitch Gerads, who is kicking ass on The Activity from Image:
(http://i43.tinypic.com/3024b9s.jpg)


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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 10, 2012, 07:35:10 AM
Well, shit. Moebius is dead. :'( :gloomy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 10, 2012, 08:33:09 AM
first reaction

wait he was still alive

second reaction

hopefully we'll get some deluxe silver surfer reprints now!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on March 10, 2012, 03:39:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/yvI94.jpg)

7lbs of awesome
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on March 14, 2012, 10:21:31 AM
Wolverine and the XMen > Uncanny Xmen
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 14, 2012, 10:26:50 AM
first reaction

wait he was still alive

second reaction

hopefully we'll get some deluxe silver surfer reprints now!

Ron Lim is still the definitive SS artist though

*ducks*
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 10:48:25 AM
Wolverine and the XMen > Uncanny Xmen

Team Logan!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 14, 2012, 11:38:41 AM
first reaction

wait he was still alive

second reaction

hopefully we'll get some deluxe silver surfer reprints now!

Ron Lim is still the definitive SS artist though

*ducks*

i don't disagree, but i would like the mobius stuff in a nice handsome volume
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: MrAngryFace on March 14, 2012, 11:42:41 AM
My problem with Uncanny XMen is that its the same ol shit and you can see the stupid Cyke Emma drama from a mile away.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 14, 2012, 12:22:22 PM
first reaction

wait he was still alive

second reaction

hopefully we'll get some deluxe silver surfer reprints now!


Ron Lim is still the definitive SS artist though

*ducks*

i don't disagree, but i would like the mobius stuff in a nice handsome volume

I actually never knew of these  - i'll try and hunt it down. Silver Surfer was my favorite comic back in the day when I still collected.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on March 14, 2012, 01:28:33 PM
Moore on the Watchmen prologues, and other stuff
http://www.seraphemera.org/seraphemera_books/Alan_Moore_Interview.html
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 14, 2012, 02:22:54 PM
That's really kind of depressing to read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2012, 08:03:00 PM
Depressing, but so is the backstory of most corporate-owned comics I enjoy.

Won't be buying the prequels though, even the Darwyn Cooke one. Terrible idea anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 17, 2012, 04:54:33 PM
Talking of the Anal Moore, I got my copy of Neonomicon today. About half way through and really enjoying it, less insane than his Promethea series. The art is lovely.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 17, 2012, 05:14:05 PM
Okay. Now it's just basically about tentacle rape. Yawn. Still readable.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 30, 2012, 03:49:33 AM
Re: The BORE thread of Comics and how Rob Liefeld can't draw.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on March 30, 2012, 04:46:33 PM
Avenging Spider-Man rules.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 01, 2012, 01:47:14 AM
iZombie is GREAT GREAT stuff

I wish I had ignored the name before, but it's like cougartown in that way.  horrible name, great product.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 18, 2012, 01:08:43 AM
http://JPRart.deviantart.com/art/Justice-League-296142414
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on April 22, 2012, 12:50:57 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/2LuKk.jpg)
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He-Man fans rejoice! An all-new comic book series chronicling HE-MAN AND THE MASTERS OF THE UNIVERSE will be released starting in July, and offer an entirely new take on the storied warrior who celebrates his 30th anniversary this year.  The six issue, limited series is written by James Robinson, with pencils by Phillip Tan and inks from Ruy Jose.

In the new series, Robinson reintroduces the Masters of the Universe® to comic readers with Skeletor having won a major victory and rewriting the world of Eternia where he now rules from Castle Grayskull and the Masters have no memory of their former glory. Adam is a simple woodsman haunted by dreams of a heroic warrior, wielding a powerful sword in battle. He is found by a mysterious sorceress who tells him his dreams are of the way the world should be, that he is Eternia's champion He-Man. Adam sets off on a quest to regain his power and reawaken the Masters of the Universe.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 22, 2012, 08:25:40 PM
ffs

oh well, at least it keeps Phillip Tan off any book I might want to read for a while
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on April 23, 2012, 12:57:54 AM
I can't really believe anyone wants to read He-Man in general this day and age (us he-man fans are way past it), this particular version much less so.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 01:44:36 AM
btw, Sacrifice is a cool little book - modern-day Joy Division epileptic emo kid transported back in time to the day of the Aztecs. Beautiful brush art, fun story

Also enjoying Prophet a lot, definite Eric P bait I'd say
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Post by: Momo on April 23, 2012, 03:13:42 AM
Is it complete or ongoing?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 23, 2012, 03:15:52 AM
both are ongoing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 23, 2012, 08:44:06 AM
Also enjoying Prophet a lot, definite Eric P bait I'd say

I'm waiting for the first couple of issues before checking it out.

I'm reading a lot of silver / bronze age Batman issues.  Brave and the Bold as a series isn't as great as I recall unfortunately.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 04, 2012, 09:26:13 AM
I can't wait to read the new Dial H book.  I wonder what people think of it!

http://www.tcj.com/if-kirby-was-still-alive-he-would-totally-have-killed-himself-by-now/

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Although it definitely wins some sort of consolation prize for not sounding/reading exactly like every single other mainstream cape book on the stands, Dial H may be the unfortunate herald of a terrifying future: crappy imitations of Grant Morrison comics. Sponsored by slumming, Dial H is written by some guy who writes those kinds of fantasy novels that look more respectable than Dragonlance books but aren’t respectable enough not to be shelved alongside them, and it’s drawn by another one of those DC artists who never saw a picture he couldn’t add way too many extraneous lines to. It’s about a fat guy with a friend, a rotary phone booth that turns people into random super-heroes, and it’s probably qualitatively better than most DC comics currently available while still not being half as aesthetically successful as the last two YouTube videos somebody emailed you links to. This will be the favorite thing of exactly no one, but it will probably be a few people’s number seven.

Well there goes that
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on May 04, 2012, 09:31:51 AM
Does anyone know why when using comiczeal on ipad it sometimes refuses to detect syndocs? Its a real pain in the ass, and no help from google.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 04, 2012, 10:08:18 AM
Sorry I use CDisplay on PC. The comic reader I use on android (phone) isnt going to help the situation either
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on May 04, 2012, 11:06:36 AM
Damn. You read comics on a pc? Does your neck ache?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 04, 2012, 11:12:58 AM
Just turn your widescreen 90 degrees and you will be in heaven :D
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on May 04, 2012, 11:29:59 AM
Looking at large pictures on the iPad I find kinda trippy. There always seems to be movement in my peripheral vision.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 04, 2012, 03:31:34 PM
I can't wait to read the new Dial H book.  I wonder what people think of it!

http://www.tcj.com/if-kirby-was-still-alive-he-would-totally-have-killed-himself-by-now/

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Although it definitely wins some sort of consolation prize for not sounding/reading exactly like every single other mainstream cape book on the stands, Dial H may be the unfortunate herald of a terrifying future: crappy imitations of Grant Morrison comics. Sponsored by slumming, Dial H is written by some guy who writes those kinds of fantasy novels that look more respectable than Dragonlance books but aren’t respectable enough not to be shelved alongside them, and it’s drawn by another one of those DC artists who never saw a picture he couldn’t add way too many extraneous lines to. It’s about a fat guy with a friend, a rotary phone booth that turns people into random super-heroes, and it’s probably qualitatively better than most DC comics currently available while still not being half as aesthetically successful as the last two YouTube videos somebody emailed you links to. This will be the favorite thing of exactly no one, but it will probably be a few people’s number seven.

Well there goes that

I thought it was terrible. Anything of value in China's story was murderated by the art. It could maybe have worked if they'd used Tom Fowler, say, but it was basically just bad.

And buy a comic once in a while, filthy pirates
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Post by: Eric P on May 04, 2012, 03:32:41 PM
yeah, support the original creators!

(insert jack kirby vs marvel joke here!)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 04, 2012, 03:41:45 PM
And straight into the murky realms of moral relativism we go, eh. What would Ditko say to THAT
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 04, 2012, 03:43:55 PM
i'd be more interested to read what dave sim had to say about it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 04, 2012, 03:45:04 PM
speaking of Dave Sim, i want this

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/contents-2.php?id=978-0-7864-6889-8
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 04, 2012, 05:04:37 PM
Eh, I do buy comics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 04, 2012, 05:12:10 PM
Buy Justice League Volume 1: Origin (DC COMICS THE NEW 52™)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on May 04, 2012, 05:45:12 PM
I buy comics, and would buy more if maybe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 05, 2012, 01:03:39 PM
So far, four issues in, I'm not super impressed with Morrison's Batman & Son storyline.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 09, 2012, 06:01:30 PM
Howard the Duck and Dum Dum Dugan fight Nazi Zombies.

(http://images.tfaw.com/covers_tfaw/400/ma/mar120599.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2012, 07:31:49 PM
Howard the Duck needs to be in The Avengers 2.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on May 10, 2012, 03:27:58 PM
Sleeper actually really reminds me of Marshall Law, it's got the same OTT'ness of the aforementioned, and would make a seriously ace film.

I tried reading some xmen, but fucking hell, shots of retardness fired into my quivering brain.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 21, 2012, 12:52:22 AM
So if word gets out at what Marvel is doing with Astonishing X-Men #50-51 expect Fox News to do a stupid story on it. Northstar's gay marriage is in #51. #50 comes out this week and I guess that's the proposal issue:

EDIT: The Diamond solicitation says Marvel has secured mainstream news coverage on TV and print for the X-Marriage.

(http://x.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/6/70/4f39790bcb720/detail.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 01:17:39 AM
why do you care about these things? serious Q

OF COURSE they'll get word of it; some Marvel intern has typed up the press release already, that some FOX intern can turn into a print-ready story in a matter of minutes. It's an easy win for both sides. Doesn't mean anybody needs to pay attention to it. Unless it's actually an insightful portrayal of gay marriage, which given the set-up, seems pretty f'in unlikely...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 21, 2012, 01:34:48 AM
Oh boy!  A marriage sub-storyline involving a minor character and his even-more minor partner in the most minor of all the X-books that is generally ignored since the focus is on Avengers Vs. X-Men, which this book has been no part of!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 21, 2012, 01:51:29 AM
I picked up "GRANT MORRISON - PAUL DINI - RETURN OF RA'S AL GHUL" a couple weeks ago.

So far, I'm unclear on what GM actually wrote. Paul Dini's stuff is clearly marked; maybe 4 chapters? The rest of it is by other authors, none of whom are Grant Morrison. I'm feeling ripped off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 01:59:40 AM
the crossover was part of Morrison's big storyline but it's the least-interesting part of that whole run, and I don't think he had much if anything to do with the non-Batman issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 21, 2012, 06:43:06 AM
I got the Court of the Owls book and it really just hammered home how much of a joke the whole "reboot" is.  In the first issue of a new timeline and there's already been 4 Robins and a Batcave full of junk?  Ignoring that, it's pretty good.  I like Scott Snyder's take on the Bat Fam well enough.  I like his Bruce, but I think I liked Black Mirror a bit more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 21, 2012, 07:41:41 AM
Are there any other verses as fleshed out as Marvel and DC? I mean with a bunch of heroes and stories all in the same universe but not of DC/Vertigo/Marvel?Darkhorse?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 21, 2012, 08:01:40 AM
I got the Court of the Owls book and it really just hammered home how much of a joke the whole "reboot" is.  In the first issue of a new timeline and there's already been 4 Robins and a Batcave full of junk?  Ignoring that, it's pretty good.  I like Scott Snyder's take on the Bat Fam well enough.  I like his Bruce, but I think I liked Black Mirror a bit more.

The reboot didn't really affect the Batman or GL continuity.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 08:16:24 AM
Are there any other verses as fleshed out as Marvel and DC? I mean with a bunch of heroes and stories all in the same universe but not of DC/Vertigo/Marvel?Darkhorse?

Not really. Dark Horse has the awesome Hellboy/B.P.R.D stuff which is shared universe but only those books (BPRD is Torchwood to Hellboy's Dr Who). Kirkman's Image stuff crosses over a fair bit with the original Image stuff like Savage Dragon but it's not a major thing. On the other hand, they have a lot more freedom to make it all a bit more logical, with consequences. That said, the majority of Image books are their own thing (you won't be seeing Chew in your Manhattan Projects anytime soon).

Other smaller imprints like Valiant or Crossgen have at various times tried to get shared universes off the ground, as it were, but here's the thing: They don't have Jack Kirby.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 21, 2012, 08:30:25 AM
I'd really like a third shared universe to take off sometime in the future. Marvel has bored me for years and DC is starting to poopslide a bit. Surely there is a young guy that has what it takes to be the next Kirby/Stan Lee :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 09:04:48 AM
wash out your mouth
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 21, 2012, 09:15:27 AM
I haven't liked Marvel Universe since Secret War.  I liked Planet Hulk and WWH, but looking over this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_of_the_Marvel_Universe#2000s), that's about it as far as the "Universe" goes.  I like individual titles, but dislike the overall company storyline.  The DC stuff pre-Infinite Crisis is more interesting to me.  I loved 52 for example.  I thought that was great.  Not really a fan of The Green Lantern stuff though.  It just seems a bit tacky.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 21, 2012, 10:58:28 AM
I got the Court of the Owls book and it really just hammered home how much of a joke the whole "reboot" is.  In the first issue of a new timeline and there's already been 4 Robins and a Batcave full of junk?

The New 52 is a "reboot," however it keeps a lot of the continuity from the old DC universe, albeit in a more-condensed form.  In the Batman and (even more so) the Green Lantern books in particular, almost everything is pretty much the same and really isn't even a reboot at all.  In contrast a lot of the Superman stuff is a total reboot (Supergirl and Superboy especially), Green Lantern is totally new AFAIK (they made him much younger) and they've also now completely integrated the Wildstorm characters into the DCU.

The storyline explanation for all this is from the Flashpoint series.  The main DCU was completely altered and is a fusion of the old, new, and the Wildstorm universes.  I thought the point was to simplify things and make it easy for new readers to jump on.   :lol  But that said, they did do this with certain series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on May 21, 2012, 12:00:09 PM
:drudge

Invisibles Omnibus!

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51LMJtO12PL._SS500_.jpg)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401234593/ref=pd_1ctyhuc__sbs_02_02

:drudge


OH MY GOD!!!

I have the first seven books in one paper back and is huge! I can't even imagine the size of this thing.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 21, 2012, 08:07:21 PM
OH MY GOD!!!

...Diunx owns something
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2012, 08:27:28 PM
Started reading JLA/Avengers, mainly for the lulz. :teehee

(http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/29/a0/6fba419328a0bd86360bd110.L.jpg)

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!

Edit: I think it's still technically in DC continuity too, since they referenced it during Geoff John's Green Lantern run.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Smooth Groove on May 21, 2012, 08:39:44 PM
Is this the story that has Superman KOing Thor? 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 21, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
While making a Spinal Tap reference:

(http://i.imgur.com/5K6k9.jpg)

Although to be fair to both sides:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/euQFy.jpg)
[close]
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Post by: ManaByte on May 21, 2012, 11:58:21 PM
90's Valiant was a shared universe. Don't know if the new relaunch is or not because I'm not reading them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2012, 10:49:06 AM
Finished "MORRISON - DINI: Return of Ra's Al Ghul" -- really sadly average bat-book, with apparently ONE of its chapters written by Morrison. I honestly feel ripped off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 22, 2012, 11:18:28 AM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61%2BnwS-lH5L._SS500_.jpg)
This just showed up at my job.
fuck. yes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 22, 2012, 02:29:05 PM
Sinestro has a rape face.
Wonder Woman is doing the hulk hogan crowd call

perfect.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 22, 2012, 02:35:31 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147928/Is-Batman-gay-Major-DC-Comics-character-come-closet.html

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DC Comics plans to reintroduce a character as gay in a future issue, it has been revealed.

Co-publisher Dan DiDio previously said that the company would not change the sexual orientation of an existing superhero and would bring in a new one altogether.

But at Kapow Comic Convention in London on Sunday, he revealed that an existing character - who was previously assumed to be straight - will become ‘one of our most prominent gay characters’, according to comic blog BleedingCool.com.


soooo who hasn't been rebooted yet?
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Post by: parallax on May 22, 2012, 02:38:54 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2147928/Is-Batman-gay-Major-DC-Comics-character-come-closet.html

Quote
DC Comics plans to reintroduce a character as gay in a future issue, it has been revealed.

Co-publisher Dan DiDio previously said that the company would not change the sexual orientation of an existing superhero and would bring in a new one altogether.

But at Kapow Comic Convention in London on Sunday, he revealed that an existing character - who was previously assumed to be straight - will become ‘one of our most prominent gay characters’, according to comic blog BleedingCool.com.


soooo who hasn't been rebooted yet?

im thinking its shazam.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 22, 2012, 02:50:51 PM
I thought Batman was their most prominent gay character :teehee

Maybe it'll be the left-wing avenger Green Arrow. Black Canary was a total beard.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: cool breeze on May 22, 2012, 02:54:21 PM
Is Shazam still a young boy in the reboot?

Aquaman would be the obvious choice.  or Kyle Rayner.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 22, 2012, 03:08:42 PM
(http://comicsworthreading.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/AstonishingXMen_50_Preview2.jpg)
fucking dying here.

that face.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 22, 2012, 03:13:42 PM
Aquaman is married and Kyle is dating Sinestro's daughter, although I think they may have broken up. I don't remember John Stewart ever being married or dating anyone though, maybe he's on the DL.

(http://i.imgur.com/pqQNl.jpg)

Edit: n/m, he was married but his wife died
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 22, 2012, 03:15:51 PM
Is Shazam still a young boy in the reboot?

Aquaman would be the obvious choice.  or Kyle Rayner.

hes gonna be an adult.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: cool breeze on May 22, 2012, 03:15:55 PM
Aquaman is married and Kyle is dating Sinestro's daughter, although I think they may have broken up. I don't remember John Stewart ever being married or dating anyone though, maybe he's on the DL.

...with Kilowog  :omg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 22, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
Is Shazam still a young boy in the reboot?

Aquaman would be the obvious choice.  or Kyle Rayner.

hes gonna be an adult.
Still gonna be weird
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 22, 2012, 07:09:57 PM
no doubt about that. but ill still give it a fare shake.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 22, 2012, 10:11:32 PM
Martian Manhunter
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 22, 2012, 10:16:36 PM
Is Shazam still a young boy in the reboot?

Aquaman would be the obvious choice.  or Kyle Rayner.

hes gonna be an adult.
Still gonna be weird

I'd buy a comic about a young hetero boy who transforms magically into a gay muscleman wearing a sash and cape
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 22, 2012, 10:21:01 PM
(http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/b/f0/4fbbb907eb016.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 22, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
Rated T+ for TEH GHEY
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 22, 2012, 10:47:59 PM
Everytime I see that pic, all I see is that iceman has activated his jackass ability. And the other mutants are preparing for a post wedding brawl

And that scott is a jackass
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 23, 2012, 06:08:22 AM
Is Shazam still a young boy in the reboot?

Aquaman would be the obvious choice.  or Kyle Rayner.

hes gonna be an adult.
Still gonna be weird

I'd buy a comic about a young hetero boy who transforms magically into a gay muscleman wearing a sash and cape

the comic equivalent of that guy who is only gay when he's been drinking?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 06:13:29 AM
i think the angst factor could be pretty high. Or maybe we could have 'Dial H for Homo', with characters changing into different but equally appalling gay stereotypes every time (scripted by Garth Ennis of course)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 23, 2012, 07:49:09 AM
Is Shazam still a young boy in the reboot?

Aquaman would be the obvious choice.  or Kyle Rayner.

hes gonna be an adult.
Still gonna be weird

I'd buy a comic about a young hetero boy who transforms magically into a gay muscleman wearing a sash and cape
Full Metal Alchemist

Captain Louis Armstrong
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 23, 2012, 09:26:30 AM
Secret Society of Super-Villains Vol 2 is really something special.

The second volume contains more than just SSSV titles branching out a bit and showcasing the "heroes" (Captain Comet, the most shoehorned in character I've seen since Sentry) but also including uncolored inks and uninked pencil drafts for two issues after the series was cancelled.  It doesn't appear to wrap up the arc of the story line, but it's neat to see where it was going to go.

It's filled with a kind of 70s craziness where you'll have hyperreal artwork of surreal plot points.  Like Chrono (70s time based villain) opens a time portal to grab a comet that landed on prehistoric earth.  This causes dinosaurs to invade New York.  I mean Gotham.  This also causes a group of space adventurers to get transported back to prehistoric times and fight a tyrannosaur that touches the comet which turns it into a dino-man.  In a blue leotard.  It's fucking crazy and makes no sense.

(http://clzimages.com/comic/large/89/89_32867_0_DCSpecial27DangerDinosaursAtLa.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2012, 10:05:08 AM
If you were a kid in 1977, how could you not buy that?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 23, 2012, 03:48:51 PM
Alan Scott is the character DC is relaunching gay.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
Is his daughter gay too then
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 23, 2012, 07:25:56 PM
Alan Scott is the character DC is relaunching gay.

isnt he in earth 2?

Is his daughter gay too then

his son is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 07:29:24 PM
they have an Earth 2 book, cunningly titled 'Earth 2'
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 23, 2012, 08:36:19 PM
Powergirl needs to go gay and have cross-dimensional twincest with Supergirl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 23, 2012, 08:41:06 PM
Shoulda been Dave Cockrum-drawn 70's Cosmic Boy, who was a gay icon anyway. That whole era of LSH was just Studio 57 in Space

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5bcfpMCxb6I/ST4V2GZSoFI/AAAAAAAADfo/mURzJ3aAQYI/s400/CosmicBoy1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 23, 2012, 08:53:52 PM
Shoulda been Dave Cockrum-drawn 70's Cosmic Boy, who was a gay icon anyway. That whole era of LSH was just Studio 57 in Space

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_5bcfpMCxb6I/ST4V2GZSoFI/AAAAAAAADfo/mURzJ3aAQYI/s400/CosmicBoy1.jpg)

they could bring back power boy and make him gay easily.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 23, 2012, 11:01:06 PM
Alan Scott is the character DC is relaunching gay.

isnt he in earth 2?


That's why they're doing it. He's being re-introduced in the Earth 2 book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 24, 2012, 01:35:53 PM
DC already (re?)introduced an openly-gay character in their Teen Titans book, too.   

Why does this even matter? 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 24, 2012, 01:39:50 PM
DC already (re?)introduced an openly-gay character in their Teen Titans book, too.   

Why does this even matter?

because this will be a pre-existing character. like gay beast that existed in exiles. its an effort to ramp sales like bi racial spiderman was.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 24, 2012, 02:32:30 PM
I read Batman: Court of Owls, it was good.

Waiting on the rest of my NEW 52! trades to get here from Amazon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 24, 2012, 03:07:21 PM
DC already (re?)introduced an openly-gay character in their Teen Titans book, too.   

Why does this even matter?

because this will be a pre-existing character. like gay beast that existed in exiles. its an effort to ramp sales like bi racial spiderman was.

I just don't see "The gay Green Lantern of Earth-2" ramping up sales.

And that goes for what Marvel is doing too.  Who the hell cares about "minor character Northstar marries minor character boyfriend that appeared in three issues over the last five years"?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 24, 2012, 04:06:50 PM
\

I just don't see "The gay Green Lantern of Earth-2" ramping up sales.

And that goes for what Marvel is doing too.  Who the hell cares about "minor character Northstar marries minor character boyfriend that appeared in three issues over the last five years"?

in the end, it never really does. when cap was killed a few years back, it was all over the news, and the issue was selling pretty good, but in the end, no one gave a shit, and he was brought back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 24, 2012, 04:45:10 PM
Was Captain America even dead for a year?  I remember he was time-displaced or something equally as stupid as what happened when Batman "died."

Then then killed Bucky-Cap...only they didn't and he's the Winter Soldier again.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 24, 2012, 04:51:34 PM
Was Captain America even dead for a year?  I remember he was time-displaced or something equally as stupid as what happened when Batman "died."

Then then killed Bucky-Cap...only they didn't and he's the Winter Soldier again.   :lol

he wasnt gone for any real amount of time. they brought him back and he was steve rodgers on secret avengers. then the cap movie started to come around, and that was the end of buckys reign.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 24, 2012, 07:31:43 PM
Was Captain America even dead for a year?  I remember he was time-displaced or something equally as stupid as what happened when Batman "died."

Then then killed Bucky-Cap...only they didn't and he's the Winter Soldier again.   :lol

Shot with a time-bullet, both of 'em. You couldn't make this stuff up (or one of them didn't!)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 25, 2012, 01:49:12 AM
when Batman "died."
Caveman Batman was kinda fun. Then the reality of the story arc set in for me. I weeped a little.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 25, 2012, 02:08:22 AM
Batman, at least, was never meant to actually be dead, just set adrift in time and assumed dead by a lot of people within the comic world. He was always going to come back after a while regardless. Captain America was supposed to really, totally, absolutely be DEAD. But then they brought him back anyway because whatever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 25, 2012, 08:06:13 AM
The Marvel stunt is working for sales, probably because they showed issue #50 on the View :lol

The issue immediately sold out and people who never buy comics have been coming in the shop asking for it every day since it came out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 25, 2012, 09:54:06 AM
Seems like they should stop killing characters and start doing more gay weddings instead!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 25, 2012, 11:11:44 AM
The Marvel stunt is working for sales, probably because they showed issue #50 on the View :lol

The issue immediately sold out and people who never buy comics have been coming in the shop asking for it every day since it came out.

same thing happened with caps death. now lets see if it holds.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 25, 2012, 02:26:29 PM
Seems like they should stop killing characters and start doing more gay weddings instead!

If Batman married Superman, I guarantee that would be the highest selling issue of any printed media ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 25, 2012, 02:46:39 PM
Seems like they should stop killing characters and start doing more gay weddings instead!

If Batman married Superman, I guarantee that would be the highest selling issue of any printed media ever.
Nerds would rebel and burn the planet in revenge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: cool breeze on May 25, 2012, 02:54:52 PM
Seems like they should stop killing characters and start doing more gay weddings instead!

If Batman married Superman, I guarantee that would be the highest selling issue of any printed media ever.

Hype it up for a year.  At the wedding Bruce places a kryptonite ring on Clark's finger and kicks his teeth in.  Clark accidentally chokes on them and dies in the next issue.

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Post by: chronovore on May 25, 2012, 06:04:47 PM
Seems like they should stop killing characters and start doing more gay weddings instead!

If Batman married Superman, I guarantee that would be the highest selling issue of any printed media ever.

That's what The Authority was about, with Apollo and Midnighter.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2012, 10:56:49 PM
Oh hai, what's this?

(http://i.imgur.com/i28qy.jpg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on May 29, 2012, 11:01:46 PM
two good comics?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2012, 11:08:29 PM
two good comics?

Sorry, I gotta get my cape-and-cowl fuckfest fix. Please forgive me this sin, Cormac. :( My next order has Flex Mentallo: Man of Muscle Mystery in it, if that helps.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on May 29, 2012, 11:12:03 PM
Flex is amazing, two thumbs up

I quit Animal Man actually. It got a lot less interesting once Travel Foreman left. His work on the first collection is still pretty extraordinary though. Batman continues to be well-done fan service but nothing more.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 29, 2012, 11:31:06 PM
I haven't read any of the singles, beyond a couple of #1's.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 01, 2012, 11:03:32 AM
Alan Scott kissing some dude:

(http://i.imgur.com/b0xmk.jpg)

BTW, I read Justice League: Origins and it was amazing. It's like "how can make this exciting and full of explosions but still explain everyone's origins and backstories and motivations for the 5 people that never read a comic book but accidentally bought this because they saw it on Fox News? Let's just cram the exposition in between the explosions!" So then you get a scene like:

*EXPLOSIONS*

Green Lantern: "I don't have to listen to you Batman, you're just some guy in a bat suit that doesn't have any superpowers. I'm Hal Jordan, I have this awesome ring that let's me create anything I can imagine that I was given to me by the Guardians of the Universe when they made me a Green Lantern and entrusted me to protect space sector 2814, which is where Earth is!"

Batman: "I can tell that you're doing this because you're trying to live up to the legacy of your father, who is dead. I know this because I, Bruce Wayne, also had my parents killed and so I decided to become Batman to avenge their deaths by fighting bad guys."

*EXPLOSIONS*

I'm paraphrasing, but that's pretty much exactly the way it happened. Actually, it was more hilarious in the comic because Batman actually takes off his cowl for some reason. :lol
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Post by: Eric P on June 01, 2012, 01:52:31 PM
anal scott
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Post by: bork on June 01, 2012, 02:39:43 PM
anal scott

 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on June 01, 2012, 03:03:20 PM
I think Ed Brubaker is the closest thing you guys have to Alan Moore.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 01, 2012, 03:13:33 PM
It would be awesome if Earth-2 had Gay Superman, Gay Batman, Gay Flash, etc, and they all had goatees.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 01, 2012, 03:36:38 PM
I think Ed Brubaker is the closest thing you guys have to Alan Moore.

the cool thing about comics is that we all have alan moore

except earth two

they have anal moore.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on June 01, 2012, 03:42:32 PM
Trade one gay character for another... whatever. Hopefully the stories are good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on June 01, 2012, 03:56:13 PM
I think Ed Brubaker is the closest thing you guys have to Alan Moore.

the cool thing about comics is that we all have alan moore

except earth two

they have anal moore.
I don't know earth two, but it sounds scary. The thing is I've been researching Brubakers work, and holy shit, he's just so amazingly consistent. But unlike Anal, is rather more open to Hollywoods priapic cock-monster. I guess that'll change sooner or later.

But maaaaan, him and the artist guy they have a serious alchemy, one thats a rare and beauteous thing. I bought Moores Lost Girls, and it's just porn.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 01, 2012, 08:45:09 PM
took the afternoon off because i was having stomach troubles, decided to read Crossed

not the wisest of decisions, upon reflection
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 01, 2012, 08:48:46 PM
anal scott


(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/KParrott/analscott.png)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 01, 2012, 10:09:56 PM
He got hit by the gay beam.
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Post by: Olivia Wilde Homo on June 01, 2012, 10:45:20 PM
Considering how Ryan Reynolds was the Green Lantern, this isn't much of a surprise at all....
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 01, 2012, 10:55:53 PM
I'm all for diversity but this is kind of getting into cynical, pandering territory yo
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 02, 2012, 12:14:50 AM
Earth 2 Flash to be reintroduced as a black woman next month, Jayne Garrick
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on June 02, 2012, 12:16:55 AM
I'm all for diversity but this is kind of getting into cynical, pandering territory yo

comics have been pandering. miles morales is a case of pandering too.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 02, 2012, 12:54:05 AM
I'm all for diversity but this is kind of getting into cynical, pandering territory yo

comics have been pandering. miles morales is a case of pandering too.

Mile Morales is a case of Bendis being an unoriginal hack. It's the result of people saying Donald Glover would make a good Spider-Man.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 02, 2012, 12:55:59 AM
I think Ed Brubaker is the closest thing you guys have to Alan Moore.

the cool thing about comics is that we all have alan moore

except earth two

they have anal moore.
I don't know earth two, but it sounds scary. The thing is I've been researching Brubakers work, and holy shit, he's just so amazingly consistent. But unlike Anal, is rather more open to Hollywoods priapic cock-monster. I guess that'll change sooner or later.

But maaaaan, him and the artist guy they have a serious alchemy, one thats a rare and beauteous thing. I bought Moores Lost Girls, and it's just porn.


Read all of Brubaker's Cap run. Even when he goes all Silver Age crazy like in last year's Cap relaunch, it's good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on June 02, 2012, 01:09:58 AM
I'm all for diversity but this is kind of getting into cynical, pandering territory yo

comics have been pandering. miles morales is a case of pandering too.

Mile Morales is a case of Bendis being an unoriginal hack. It's the result of people saying Donald Glover would make a good Spider-Man.

marvel pushing him like he was something new also reeks of bendis now that i think about it...
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 02, 2012, 02:24:10 AM
Just read a graphic novel called A God Somewhere.

It had some really excellent panels, and some good dialogue, but I felt that the story was far too rushed. It felt like a cliffnotes version of what the story should have been.

I found that very disappointing. Arcudi writes most of the Hellboy/BPRD stuff so was expecting more than yet another bad Superman story with the same old absolute power corrupts yada yada. The Mighty was a far more sinister take on that, at least for the first half (there have been about a dozen of these at this point, won't list all of 'em...).
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on June 02, 2012, 02:39:51 AM
I think Ed Brubaker is the closest thing you guys have to Alan Moore.

the cool thing about comics is that we all have alan moore

except earth two

they have anal moore.
I don't know earth two, but it sounds scary. The thing is I've been researching Brubakers work, and holy shit, he's just so amazingly consistent. But unlike Anal, is rather more open to Hollywoods priapic cock-monster. I guess that'll change sooner or later.

But maaaaan, him and the artist guy they have a serious alchemy, one thats a rare and beauteous thing. I bought Moores Lost Girls, and it's just porn.


Read all of Brubaker's Cap run. Even when he goes all Silver Age crazy like in last year's Cap relaunch, it's good.
Huh. Ok. Yes I will. Although I never really liked Cap Amer for obvious reasons.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on June 03, 2012, 09:46:29 AM
Marvel's 50th Anniversary Spider-Man event wasn't so bad. It was Spidey (in special armor he made just for fighting the Sinister Six) with Black Widow and Silver Sable fighting the Sinister Six. Spider-Man punching out Al Gore (who was really the Chameleon) at the G8 conference was pretty funny.
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Post by: chronovore on June 03, 2012, 09:05:32 PM
I think Ed Brubaker is the closest thing you guys have to Alan Moore.

the cool thing about comics is that we all have alan moore

except earth two

they have anal moore.

And more anal, which you get with Italy's Milo Manara.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 03, 2012, 09:17:40 PM
Comparing Ed Brubaker to Alan Moore is like comparing Elmore Leonard to Don DeLillo - why???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 07, 2012, 03:35:20 PM
Bought a few trades by my waifu Gail Simone.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51q9b9SF5ML.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51sCHwnG-TL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51Qsl2bCYfL.jpg)

Also:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/511O7BCCEyL.jpg)(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61g6qG3bUNL.jpg)
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Post by: parallax on June 07, 2012, 03:39:48 PM
i like the character flex mentallo, but i do not like captain tumors artwork.
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Post by: Mupepe on June 07, 2012, 04:27:43 PM
So did anyone read Minute Men #1?
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Post by: ManaByte on June 07, 2012, 05:59:04 PM
Sitting on my pile for the week. Maybe tonight.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on June 07, 2012, 06:02:35 PM
I'm all for diversity but this is kind of getting into cynical, pandering territory yo

comics have been pandering. miles morales is a case of pandering too.

Mile Morales is a case of Bendis being an unoriginal hack. It's the result of people saying Donald Glover would make a good Spider-Man.

Honestly while I thought the Miles Morales shit was lol worthy, I do believe Glover would make a great Spider-Man; he's certainly better than the guy in the new movie imo.

(I'm a Glover fanboy)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
So did anyone read Minute Men #1?

No, not even going to steal it. It just makes me feel queasy and question the integrity of everyone involved. Even if Alan Moore had written it, and Dave Gibbons had drawn it, i'd STILL feel it was an unnecessary cash-in that could do nothing but cheapen the original.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 07, 2012, 07:49:15 PM
Joe's taste seems to be improving - the Secret Six stuff is all good, albeit with pretty hacky art, and Fourth World and Flex are god tier of course.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mupepe on June 08, 2012, 10:24:30 AM
So did anyone read Minute Men #1?

No, not even going to steal it. It just makes me feel queasy and question the integrity of everyone involved. Even if Alan Moore had written it, and Dave Gibbons had drawn it, i'd STILL feel it was an unnecessary cash-in that could do nothing but cheapen the original.
I had my LGS set aside a copy for me but I haven't picked it up.  The only thing that could possibly come from it is disappointment.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'll probably still cave like a jackass and pick it up
[close]
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 08, 2012, 01:04:07 PM
So did anyone read Minute Men #1?

No, not even going to steal it. It just makes me feel queasy and question the integrity of everyone involved. Even if Alan Moore had written it, and Dave Gibbons had drawn it, i'd STILL feel it was an unnecessary cash-in that could do nothing but cheapen the original.

This, precisely. I don't even want to let it into my head.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 11, 2012, 03:26:33 PM
Read Flex Mentallo yesterday, it was awesome. What Morrison thing should I read next: Animal Man or Doom Patrol?
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Post by: Eric P on June 11, 2012, 04:44:49 PM
yes
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 11, 2012, 08:31:35 PM
good answer

comixology had a Morrison-themed sale recently and I picked up most of that stuff again, in nice shiny new scans. Looking forward to re-reading DP. I haven't looked at it since it came out. Blew my mind back then.
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Post by: Eric P on June 13, 2012, 11:27:42 AM
uh
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7085/7182633615_02415dae88_o.jpg)

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 13, 2012, 11:40:35 AM
:lol
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Post by: Momo on June 13, 2012, 12:01:00 PM
the fuck is that
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 13, 2012, 12:08:13 PM
Why does he have a gun when the ring can make guns for him?

AND OH SHIT HE'S A MUSLIM SO EDGY AND BECAUSE RELIGION IS VERY IMPORTANT IN COMICS!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2012, 12:36:45 PM
Gimp Lantern is locked and loaded!  :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 13, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
muslim in a headcovering pointing a gun at me?

seems accurate.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 10:58:49 PM
Let those who worship Evil's might
Beware my power, Green Lantern's light

ALLAHU AKBAR
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Post by: Dickie Dee on June 13, 2012, 11:42:36 PM
Those fingerless gloves :rofl

It's like some modern day update to 90s eXtreme design
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2012, 11:48:08 PM
Ordered the first volume of Morrison's Doom Patrol today. But in the mean time more Nu-52 trash!

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61WiFoWo7WL.jpg) (http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51CVdR9M43L.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 13, 2012, 11:53:35 PM
WW - art is delicious but I am so so bored with updates of Greek mythology. Dropped it months ago.

Green Arrow - tell us how it is :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 13, 2012, 11:59:06 PM
I flipped through GA this afternoon, it looked pretty bad. :lol I think everyone's gonna be out of office tomorrow, so I should have time for some funnybooks.

I'm sure it won't be as deliciously awful as the Cry For Justice/Rise and Fall storylines though.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 12:55:15 AM
no, those had the added ingredient of massive editorial interference and rewrites I think. (just speculating as the writers don't SEEM utterly insane elsewhere...)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 14, 2012, 08:54:27 AM
WW - art is delicious but I am so so bored with updates of Greek mythology. Dropped it months ago.

Agreed.  Great art, story is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.  Still better than that awful pre-new 52 "new" Wonder Woman storyline that went nowhere, but that's not saying much.

Quote
Green Arrow - tell us how it is :lol
I never read Green Arrow before the reboot, but they changed Oliver Queen into the young head of a tech company.  He moonlights as a crime fighter and has a few people at his company helping with stuff, kind of like how Oracle used to help Batman.  Nothing is really happening in the book though.  He fights C-list villains and pretends to give a shit about his company.  Kind of feels like they're attempting to rip-off Tony Stark with GA's redesign.
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Post by: Eric P on June 14, 2012, 02:58:49 PM
the Midtown discount shelf gods were kind to me today!

(http://s.ecrater.com/stores/172236/4fb7f473a4abb_172236n.jpg)
Harbinger Trade Paperback.  Still sealed with the copy of Issue 0 in the polybag for $3.50

(http://d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net/iss/600w/5/22700051/1101767.jpg)
slightly damaged so it was $10

and this
(http://goodcomics.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/tcbhoc_cover1.jpg)
was 25% off because they're going to have a signing in two weeks.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:13:29 PM
Comic Book Comics is GREAT. Really loved the issue on all the copyright wrangles. It's infuriating but really helps put all those things in perspective. Van Lente did an ASSLOAD of research.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:15:26 PM
You shop at Midtown usually, Eric P?

Ever go to Bergen St? Tucker Stone and Matt Seneca work there, so their selection is fuckawesome (going by their site/twitter feed)
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 14, 2012, 09:17:46 PM
i never thought i would say this about garth ennis, but after having read all of the various crossed comics the ones he writes are downright subtle compared to the rest

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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 14, 2012, 09:27:43 PM
Speaking of Garth Ennis, I read a bunch of the Jennifer Blood series that he handed over to Al Ewing. The art is HORRID, bottom-drawer, did they actually PAY this guy level shit but Ewing is basically a younger, smarter version of Ennis without the puerility. Good stuff. Ewing is also doing an amazing strip in 2000AD with Brendan McCarthy called The Zaucer of Zilk that's really worth checking out.

(http://www.sequart.org/content/wp-content/uploads/Cover6.jpg)

http://www.sequart.org/magazine/11412/the-year-in-comics-week-18-the-zaucer-of-zilk-by-al-ewing-brendan-mccarthy/
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 14, 2012, 11:53:00 PM
Crossed, over all, is trash. I felt bad for having read it, particularly the David Lapham stuff which is just pointless yuck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 15, 2012, 07:40:51 AM
You shop at Midtown usually, Eric P?

Ever go to Bergen St? Tucker Stone and Matt Seneca work there, so their selection is fuckawesome (going by their site/twitter feed)

i go to midtown because they have a great website telling me what will be in stock and they're right by my job, so it's the easiest place to get to.

Bergen St, because of Brooklyn's weird transport structure would take me about an hour to get to and I'd have to take 3 trains to get there.  Train into Manhattan, train back into South Brooklyn, then another train in Downtown Brooklyn to finally reach Bergen St.

I have a GREAT comic shop near by called Desert Island

http://www.desertislandbrooklyn.com/

Gabe is great and his stock is amazing.  He carries limited edition prints from various indie artists, several of which decorate our walls.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 08:46:49 AM
I want to go to there
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 15, 2012, 08:47:05 AM
Actually, one of these years, I will. NYCC :rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 15, 2012, 09:42:47 AM
Saw an older black woman on the train this morning reading the hardcover of the JLA relaunch.  It was weird. 

Oh, and you need to go to St Mark's comics.  It's your hoarder uncle's version of a comic shop

proof
https://www.google.com/search?q=st+marks%27+comics&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hl=en&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=PlXbT-XsOqeq0AGulKH7Cg&biw=1387&bih=694&sei=TlXbT6JexdzRAb6ameQK
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Post by: chronovore on June 15, 2012, 11:21:40 AM
i never thought i would say this about garth ennis, but after having read all of the various crossed comics the ones he writes are downright subtle compared to the rest
Crossed, over all, is trash. I felt bad for having read it, particularly the David Lapham stuff which is just pointless yuck.

Well, whatever meandering and misplaced curiosity I've had remaining about Crossed has been crushed. I'll just say thanks for putting it to rest.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 15, 2012, 11:29:26 AM
Desert Island :rock

(http://www.avoidpi.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/desert-island.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2012, 10:05:05 PM
LTTP, but I just saw the Catwoman #0 teaser image. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/QPOlp.jpg)

This is not how the human body works!
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 15, 2012, 10:10:08 PM
Why is Catwoman's head sprouting out of her back?  :-\
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Post by: Barry Egan on June 15, 2012, 10:33:01 PM
Because ass and titties.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 15, 2012, 10:48:45 PM
Kate Beaton (from Hark! A Vagrant)

(http://i.imgur.com/BHLRi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QpleD.jpg)
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Post by: Barry Egan on June 16, 2012, 12:27:20 AM
Perfect
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Post by: Eric P on June 16, 2012, 08:55:15 AM
http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst-rob-liefeld-drawings
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Post by: Dickie Dee on June 17, 2012, 04:49:48 PM
(http://cdn.gs.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/catwoman-0-cover-parody-04.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on June 18, 2012, 03:13:31 AM
found via twitter - 'Catwoman does yoga!'

(http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/328fb7eab91311e188131231381b5c25_7.jpg)
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Post by: bork on June 18, 2012, 04:19:32 PM
http://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst-rob-liefeld-drawings

It must be difficult to find the worst of the worst from Rob.  They re-used one his drawings from the last list...

found via twitter - 'Catwoman does yoga!'

(http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/328fb7eab91311e188131231381b5c25_7.jpg)

 :lol :lol :lol
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Post by: Atramental on June 18, 2012, 05:01:10 PM
found via twitter - 'Catwoman does yoga!'

[img]http://distilleryimage3.instagram.com/328fb7eab91311e188131231381b5c25_7.jpg[img]

 :rofl
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Post by: Eric P on June 22, 2012, 07:10:07 AM
these are great

esp Calendar Man

(http://www.littlestuffedbull.com/images/2012/366alfred/alfred0621b.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 22, 2012, 09:12:46 AM
picked this up for $10 yesterday.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51df1FhZWrL._SS500_.jpg)

An imaginary storyline which wove its way through about 10 issues of World's Finest in the early to mid70s.

It's....strange.  Well obviously it's strange, but it's really strange.  It feels like a balloon to test out how people would react to a reboot w/ younger Bats and Supes and it has that awesome dialogue for teenage characters written by people in their 50s (Bob Haney was 50 when the stories started).  After the introductory story Bat and Supes Jr ride around on a motorbike and get into adventures, each of which feels like a Roger Corman youth film.

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Post by: bork on June 22, 2012, 12:29:16 PM
I remember those stories.  Wasn't there one where Superman had Superman Jr. locked in a tube that was going to zap his superpowers, then the kid moped around the rest of the comic and got jealous that Batman Jr. was still out crime-fighting on his bicycle?   :lol

Really bizarre that they did this when there was already a Superboy comic at the time (and Batman had Robin).
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Post by: Yeti on June 26, 2012, 08:06:35 PM
LTTP, but I just saw the Catwoman #0 teaser image. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/QPOlp.jpg)

This is not how the human body works!

Is DC rebooting again already?  :-\
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2012, 08:12:45 PM
Is DC rebooting again already?  :-\

They're doing #0 issues for all their series, because who doesn't love prequels?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2012, 08:29:54 PM
the big #1 there IS confusing :lol
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 26, 2012, 09:37:43 PM
Started reading Knightsfall to get pumped for DKR. $16 for a 600+ page TP isn't a bad deal.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2012, 09:42:52 PM
re-read a bunch of James Robinson/Tony Harris' Starman on comixology last night. Still rules. :rock
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Post by: Eric P on June 26, 2012, 09:46:52 PM
:rock

got Batman Black Glove deluxe book and Frankenstein Agent of SHADE today.

I opted to buy the deluxe editions rather than the omnis because I figure the deluxes will actually be easier to read.  I still need to get the second Teen Titans omnibus, but i'm kind of miffed they completely dropped an issue for some reason

LOVED the Supersons stories.  Madcap is the best way to describe them.  Well intentioned yet horrible "teen" stories.


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Post by: Cormacaroni on June 26, 2012, 10:11:50 PM
I should note that Harris' art looks better than I've ever seen it on (new) iPad. I cannot go back to faded pirate scans :'(
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Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2012, 09:30:30 AM
I didn't really like Frankenstein that much.  It wasn't madcap enough to justify the budget given to SHADE, and the "human" elements of the story were really lacking which surprised the hell out of me as it was written by Jeff Lemire who I LOVE.

They should get like Rick Remender or even better Gerard Way to write it.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 27, 2012, 11:55:38 AM
man, Gerard Way Frankenstein would get me back on the book in a Transylvanian minute
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Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2012, 12:39:22 PM
I got 3 issues of enjoyment out of it, buying the book from Amazon was cheaper than those 3 issues, so I'm not really mad at it, but I'm just kind of annoyed that it fell apart so quickly and then never tried to be more than "SHIELD meets BRPD."
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 27, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
In the end, I guess my "new 52" was 5 issues of Animal Man and 2 issues of Frankenstein
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Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2012, 01:36:09 PM
I LOVED Demon knights and Scott Snyder's Batman work and Lemire's Animal Man
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 27, 2012, 01:38:28 PM
er, yeah I meant Animal Man, not Swamp Thing. EASY TO GET CONFUSED AFTER THE SECOND ARC :|

People are saying great things about Snyder's Batman (I heard about the #10 drama-bomb) ... will maybe check it out.
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Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2012, 01:46:12 PM
I'm reading it in trades so i have no idea what the bomb is.
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Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2012, 01:47:04 PM
but yes, check out Black Mirror.  I liked it more than Morrison's run.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 27, 2012, 09:15:43 PM
I like batman Inc but morrison's DC superhero work has been... Problematic
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Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2012, 09:16:51 PM
his JLA was A-OK!
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Post by: Shaka Khan on June 29, 2012, 10:30:13 AM
Thanks for whoever recommended the Infinity Gauntlet/Wars sagas. I loved the classic cheese and ridiculousness and would like to read even more old superhero arcs. Do Secret Wars, Dark Phoenix Saga, and Age of Apocalypse still hold up? If so how would you guys rank them?
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Post by: Dickie Dee on June 29, 2012, 11:13:26 AM
If you liked Infinity Gauntlet, you should check out the run in Silver Surfer that led into into. Great stuff.
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Post by: Eric P on June 29, 2012, 11:27:20 AM
Thanks for whoever recommended the Infinity Gauntlet/Wars sagas. I loved the classic cheese and ridiculousness and would like to read even more old superhero arcs. Do Secret Wars, Dark Phoenix Saga, and Age of Apocalypse still hold up? If so how would you guys rank them?

Secret Wars doesn't (but it never really did.  It was basically Marvel's Crisis on Infinite Earths)
Phoenix / Dark Phoenix kind of does but I don't like Cosmic X-Men stuff personally.
Mutant Massacre / Fall of the Mutants are the two hightpoints in Marvel Crossovers of the 80s, I think

Reading this list is like watching the Singularity spin up into action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_of_the_Marvel_Universe#1970s


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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 29, 2012, 12:56:08 PM
I had never read AoA until like 3 years ago ... I thought it held up fine. It's pretty 90s tho.
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Post by: Eric P on June 29, 2012, 01:04:34 PM
I have to confess that I do not like 90s comics that much.  00s aren't that great either.  so now it makes me think that my love of 80s and 70s stuff is just nostalgia

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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 05, 2012, 04:05:30 PM
The new Black Orchid: Deluxe Edition looks noice

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41oy4o1Q-tL.jpg)
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Post by: ManaByte on July 08, 2012, 08:31:11 PM
I have to confess that I do not like 90s comics that much.  00s aren't that great either.  so now it makes me think that my love of 80s and 70s stuff is just nostalgia



80s stuff is generally good, as is most stuff up to 92/93. After that it's all XTREME and shit.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 08, 2012, 11:19:05 PM
Just finished Only an Old Poor Man (http://www.amazon.com/Walt-Disneys-Uncle-Scrooge-Complete/dp/1606995359/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1341803900&sr=8-1&keywords=only+a+poor+old+man).

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51bdG9M0zFL._SL500_AA300_.jpg)

NOT A SPOILER: still fuckin' awesome
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 09, 2012, 02:25:33 PM
Economically Healthy 'Daily Planet' Now Most Unrealistic Part Of Superman Universe
JULY 9, 2012 | ISSUE 48•28

NEW YORK—Frustrated fans of the Superman comic book said Monday the continued financial stability and cultural relevance of the series' Daily Planet newspaper is now the most unrealistic part of its universe and an annoying distraction that has ruined their reading experience.

While they acknowledged that enjoying the adventures of a superhero who can fly, lift a bus over his head, and shoot beams of intense heat from his eyes requires some suspension of disbelief, longtime fans told reporters they simply could not accept a daily metropolitan newspaper still thriving in the media landscape of 2012.

"I can play along with Superman using a steel girder to swat someone into outer space, but I just can't get past the idea that The Daily Planet still occupies one of the largest skyscrapers in all of Metropolis and is totally impervious to newsroom layoffs or dwindling home subscriptions," said comics blogger Marc Daigle, adding that it was impossible for him to even look at Superman's alter ego, Clark Kent, without immediately thinking he would have been replaced long ago by a freelancer who gets paid nine cents a word and receives no health benefits. "Every time The Daily Planet shows up, I just get taken out of the story completely. I usually flip ahead to Superman freezing a volcano with his breath or something."

"I'm not saying The Daily Planet has to be an entirely accurate depiction of a media anachronism that no longer has a single reliable revenue stream," Daigle added. "But, come on, don't insult us."

Other fans said The Daily Planet—which for some strange reason has not been acquired by multimillionaire Lex Luthor with a promise to give readers shorter articles with more sizzle—is so deeply woven into the Superman universe that they had no choice but to avoid the comic altogether. They said even the most exciting stories are routinely marred by absurd depictions of a publication that somehow flourishes in print and whose millions of loyal readers seem oblivious to the idea of getting news online faster and for free.

"I can totally buy into an epic battle in which Superman claps his hands and creates a sonic boom that sends Darkseid flying through 50 buildings," lifelong reader Richard Taft said. "But as soon as people start lining up at newsstands to read about it in The Daily Planet, I think, 'Doesn't anyone have a computer at work? Are there no smartphones?' Before I know it, I'm suddenly aware I'm reading a fictional comic book, and the spell's totally broken."

"The least they could do is have [Daily Planet editor-in-chief] Perry White be forced into retirement by an MBA 25 years his junior," Taft continued. "It'd be a start."

Lou Wadlow, owner of a Boston-area comic-book store, said the outright ridiculousness of The Daily Planet not putting up a pay wall in a futile attempt to remain profitable is causing the popular comic to lose readers, especially younger ones.

"The kids will flip through a copy of Superman, roll their eyes, and put it right back on the rack," Wadlow said. "They're only 9, 10 years old, but they're already drawing the line at a flourishing daily newspaper that is considered an essential news source for absolutely everyone, seems to have no morale issues among its staff, and hasn't lost a dime of ad money to aggregator sites."

"I mean, even Superman could be killed by kryptonite," Wadlow added. "The Daily Planet's indestructible."
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Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2012, 09:54:16 AM
http://whenwillthehurtingstop.blogspot.com/2012/06/sir-avx-fuck-that-shit-lets-talk-comics.html

oh my god

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Post by: Eric P on July 12, 2012, 08:09:30 AM
picked up Wild Children yesterday.  Didn't go far enough in either the deconstruction or the plot.  Should have been double the length.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 12, 2012, 09:11:01 PM
Walking Dead 100. Kirkman's just a sadistic piece of shit. I'm over this title.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2012, 09:22:04 PM
picked up Wild Children yesterday.  Didn't go far enough in either the deconstruction or the plot.  Should have been double the length.

I thought it was great, any more would have been gilding the lily really. The plot was simple but elegant. True, there was basically no character work but you could argue that that is the point. Arresting artwork in places too.

I loved that its influences are so embedded into the narrative, and that it takes comics criticism (by the likes of my faves Matt Seneca and the Mindless Ones) as seriously as it does comics of the past like the Invisibles. I was expecting it to be pretentious but I think it came down more on the side of youthful overreaching ambition, in the end...
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 12, 2012, 10:05:25 PM
Reading reviews around the net, and everyone else seems to be raving over WD 100, so I guess I'm just out of step with modern comics or something. I think he's just a mediocre writer who got lucky, overexplains in his dialogue, and can't foreshadow for shit (if you didn't see it coming you weren't paying attention). I've gotten the feeling that he really gets off on excessive brutality a few times before, but it really sank in this time. He just uses over the top shock moment violence to cover his medium talent. I've had enough.

People seem to rave over Crossed, too, as if that isn't just an extended exercise in seeing how much an audience is willing to take. What the fuck is wrong with comics nerds nowadays? Are they all closet sociopaths?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 12, 2012, 10:32:58 PM
New Neil Gaiman Sandman project with JH Williams III.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2012/07/smpromojhwilliams.jpeg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2012, 10:37:42 PM
Hard to get too excited but I'll check it out. I think Sandman lost its mojo well before the end, and the various special projects so far have been largely fairly masturbatory. Ooh it's another tale-that-is-actually-ALL TALES, another trickster, another mopey hero
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 12, 2012, 10:45:35 PM
Gaimanesque is my go-to adjective for poorly planned faffy lit shit. It's deep! Because stories.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2012, 10:49:55 PM
I think Sandman was genuinely interesting and ambitious for a good while. It just became less so after 50 or 60 issues, not sure exactly when since i haven't got that far in my re-read (my wife is actually giving me shit of late because the 4th Absolute edition is still in plastic...:lol)

Anyone read Punk Rock Jesus? It was fun.

Also reading The Lovely Horrible Stuff by Eddie Campbell, which despite being a new release, is 50% off on comixology right now - 100pgs or so for $5 I think. It's great stuff - very dry observational material, like always
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 12, 2012, 11:21:29 PM
Reading reviews around the net, and everyone else seems to be raving over WD 100, so I guess I'm just out of step with modern comics or something. I think he's just a mediocre writer who got lucky, overexplains in his dialogue, and can't foreshadow for shit (if you didn't see it coming you weren't paying attention). I've gotten the feeling that he really gets off on excessive brutality a few times before, but it really sank in this time. He just uses over the top shock moment violence to cover his medium talent. I've had enough.

People seem to rave over Crossed, too, as if that isn't just an extended exercise in seeing how much an audience is willing to take. What the fuck is wrong with comics nerds nowadays? Are they all closet sociopaths?

I thought the Michonne stuff was worse, really, but I see your point. He obviously IS a mediocre writer but that doesn't mean that the Walking Dead isn't a good comic. It's a great concept, with legs, and it's been very skillfully told by the artist at least. They are pretty much trapped into having to use ever-more extreme violence to keep the readers on the edges of their seats though, given that the alternatives in terms of story progression are actually trying to explain the whole zombie outbreak and try to resolve it somehow, which takes it into Lost/Hollywood 3 act territory.
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Post by: Phoenix Dark on July 12, 2012, 11:31:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GndnR7oSYYk
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Post by: etiolate on July 12, 2012, 11:53:23 PM
I was going to post that.

So yeah

Awesome news.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2012, 12:10:13 AM
they really need to call it 'Enter Sandman'
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Post by: Eric P on July 13, 2012, 09:04:57 AM
Reading reviews around the net, and everyone else seems to be raving over WD 100, so I guess I'm just out of step with modern comics or something.

we old

read some Bronze age stuff with me!

edit: godDAMN

http://www.tcj.com/1800cyanideline/

Quote
Taking a page straight from the Geoff Johns playbook—“do exactly what everyone expects you to do, but so blatantly that even the most jaded reader can’t help but shrug their shoulders and appreciate the fact that you’re at least self-aware”—this, ladies and gentleman, is the comic book that the world was looking for. The fact that it’s a piece of shit–and The Walking Dead is fucking shit, 100% pure octane trash–isn’t an accident. Kirkman’s never-ending zombie opera is the closest you’re going to get to the kind of megapopular success that is prized in comics above all else; it’s a television show that your dad thinks about more than he does your mother’s feelings and a comic book that nine-year-olds are going to learn about life from. In this issue, we watch along with Rick (the main character of the series) as yet another character in the series gets brutally murdered, because that’s what life is all about in The Walking Dead, man. It’s about how you can capitalize off of people’s worst possible instincts and the lowest common denominator, and then proceed to collect money, hand over fist, for the rest of your natural life.
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Post by: Eric P on July 13, 2012, 09:15:37 AM
New Neil Gaiman Sandman project with JH Williams III.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.blogcdn.com/www.comicsalliance.com/media/2012/07/smpromojhwilliams.jpeg)
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ugh
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Post by: Shaka Khan on July 13, 2012, 09:54:16 AM
If you liked Infinity Gauntlet, you should check out the run in Silver Surfer that led into into. Great stuff.

Secret Wars doesn't (but it never really did.  It was basically Marvel's Crisis on Infinite Earths)
Phoenix / Dark Phoenix kind of does but I don't like Cosmic X-Men stuff personally.
Mutant Massacre / Fall of the Mutants are the two hightpoints in Marvel Crossovers of the 80s, I think

Reading this list is like watching the Singularity spin up into action

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_events_of_the_Marvel_Universe#1970s

Excuse the late reply, but thanks peeps.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 13, 2012, 11:42:02 AM
ffs, IF YOU LIKED A JIM STARLIN COMIC read some awesome old Jim Starlin comics like Warlock or Dreadstar and forget all the crossover bullshit Shaka
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 13, 2012, 11:55:21 AM
Reading reviews around the net, and everyone else seems to be raving over WD 100, so I guess I'm just out of step with modern comics or something.

we old

read some Bronze age stuff with me!


will totally do it! i'd love to revisit some of the comics i read as a kid to see if they hold up. i've been on a pre-code horror kick for a while, but i'm kinda getting burned out on it, haha.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 13, 2012, 12:11:48 PM
Quote
OHMIGOD IS THAT CAT THE TOOTH FAIRY unfortunately no

 :lol
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Post by: Eric P on July 13, 2012, 12:16:14 PM
Reading reviews around the net, and everyone else seems to be raving over WD 100, so I guess I'm just out of step with modern comics or something.

we old

read some Bronze age stuff with me!


will totally do it! i'd love to revisit some of the comics i read as a kid to see if they hold up. i've been on a pre-code horror kick for a while, but i'm kinda getting burned out on it, haha.

i'm on 70s and 80s batman.  i'm going to move onto 80s superman and then spider-man
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 13, 2012, 02:45:44 PM
Walking Dead #100 spoilers (http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-100th-issue-of-the-walking-dead-raises-the-que,82417/). Sounds like awful snuff.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 13, 2012, 03:56:24 PM
It is, like two pages of it done in detail. Problem is, he's already done this shit like four or five times before, so it's lost what little shock impact this type of thing had left, and this time it's especially meaningless as far as "this TOTALLY changes the status quo, man!" bullshit events go. You know a comic is shitty when you're immediately picking it apart and writing a better plotline in your head as you read it.
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Post by: Barry Egan on July 16, 2012, 12:33:45 PM
I was leafing through my sandman collection the other day and read this intro to season of mists:

Quote from: Harlan Ellison
Perfection. Excellence. What a passionate lover.  But once having tasted the lips of excellence, once having given oneself to its perfection, how dreary and burdensome and filled with anomie are the remainder of ones waking hours trapped in the shackled lock-step of the merely ordinary, the barely acceptable, the just okay and not a stroke better...So the paradigm becomes all the Salieri shadows unable to touch the Mozart reality, all the respectably-talented but not awesomely-endowed Antonio's fulminating with frustration at the occasional Amadeus...Excellence is its on master, owes no allegiance, bows its head to no regimen.  It exists pure and whole like the silver face of the moon.  Untouchable, unreadable, exquisite.  But frustrating because it reminds us of how much mediocrity we put up with, just to get through the week.

The point being: Neil Gaiman's work on The Sandman

This goes on for a few pages.  I really like Sandman but I had to wonder if this wasn't a joke between two colleagues.  I kind of hope so. 
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 16, 2012, 12:54:59 PM
been reading ultimate spider-man, I like how the only person that LOOKS 15 is Peter Parker, all the girls look 19-21...which makes the Gwen/Eddie scene hilarious.
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Post by: Tasty on July 16, 2012, 01:29:06 PM
Posted?

(http://i.imgur.com/SMU9tl.jpg)

Get excite! :hyper

Also I ordered one of those Court of Owls masks from Comic-con on eBay. Because I'm that guy.
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Post by: Eric P on July 16, 2012, 02:33:37 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Marshal-Law-Deluxe-Pat-Mills/dp/1401238556/ref=sr_1_23?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342463567&sr=1-23&keywords=dc+comics

does Marshal Law hold up?  I haven't read it in forever
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 16, 2012, 03:25:04 PM
I read it for the first time earlier this year. It's ... okay. I kinda think you had to be there. Hell, I'm increasingly of the opinion you kinda had to be there for Watchmen, even.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on July 16, 2012, 08:46:51 PM
Yeah, the deconstruction thing has been done so relentlessly ever since that it would lose all its force reading it now. It's still uncommonly vicious and skillful satire though. The only comic i've ever gone to a signing for :rock
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Post by: Tasty on July 16, 2012, 09:07:42 PM
I don't know if I should keep reading The Walking Dead if 100 is that bad.
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Post by: Eric P on July 17, 2012, 04:15:05 AM
I read it for the first time earlier this year. It's ... okay. I kinda think you had to be there. Hell, I'm increasingly of the opinion you kinda had to be there for Watchmen, even.

Watchmen is still one of my favorite comics.  I own two Absolute editions; Watchmen and New Frontier. 

I wish there was a prestige HC edition of From Hell which is probably my favorite Moore work
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Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2012, 06:45:25 AM
grabbed Demon Knights trade.

It's like reading a comic book made up a power metal album covers.  Absolutely delirious and filled with lots of huge "this sounds cool so let's add this in" moments.  Loved it. 

Also grabbed Batman Inc deluxe edition.  Only read the first chapter, but it was kind of cute to see the dude from the Bat Man manga make an appearance 
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 19, 2012, 08:50:15 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Marshal-Law-Deluxe-Pat-Mills/dp/1401238556/ref=sr_1_23?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1342463567&sr=1-23&keywords=dc+comics

does Marshal Law hold up?  I haven't read it in forever
I think the first book does, not sure about the rest. Oh and when he fights the cenobites........

O'Neills art is pretty sweet too. All those angles and pointy things.
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Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2012, 09:00:41 AM
tried to read age of apocalypse

it's horrible

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Post by: bork on July 19, 2012, 10:27:59 AM
tried to read age of apocalypse

it's horrible

The new Age Of Apocalypse (which spun out of X-Force) is much more interesting.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on July 22, 2012, 10:42:42 AM
Posted?

(http://i.imgur.com/SMU9tl.jpg)

Get excite! :hyper

The Joker is giving me the finger :'(

Also I ordered one of those Court of Owls masks from Comic-con on eBay. Because I'm that guy.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on July 22, 2012, 10:49:04 AM
AoA rocks, you guyz r teh comic snobz
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Post by: Momo on July 25, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
Quote
Rob Liefeld has revealed that he will end his run on superhero comics in 2013.
 
 Grant Morrison made a similar announcement earlier in the week.
 
 
 
 Veteran Image Comics founder Liefeld tweeted that he "will be close behind".
 
 "As for DC work, I've done my job, stopped the bleeding, revived the patient... enjoying my collaborations..." he continued.

 "Lots of creator owned dreams yet to realise..."

 The writer and artist will conclude his work on DC Comics' Deathstroke, Hawkman and Grifter next year, adding that that was "a ways off".

 Morrison has revealed that he will end his current work for DC with Action Comics #16 and Batman Incorporated #12.

 A string of top creators have recently announced their intention to end their work-for-hire superhero projects to focus on creator-owned comics.

 "The current corporate comics conditions are an absolute bear, on both sides, for both Big Two," tweeted Liefeld. "Not a political statement #fact."

 "Gotta say, for me personally, working at DC this past year has been ridiculously enjoyable and fun," he added. "Treats talent right."
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/comics/news/a395118/rob-liefeld-abandons-superheroes-in-2013.html

Thread title update pls.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on July 25, 2012, 03:31:43 PM
Hope Morrison does another monthly for Vertigo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 25, 2012, 04:13:10 PM
Quote
Rob Liefeld has revealed that he will end his run on superhero comics in 2013.
 
 Grant Morrison made a similar announcement earlier in the week.
 
 
 
 Veteran Image Comics founder Liefeld tweeted that he "will be close behind".
 
 "As for DC work, I've done my job, stopped the bleeding, revived the patient... enjoying my collaborations..." he continued.

 "Lots of creator owned dreams yet to realise..."

 The writer and artist will conclude his work on DC Comics' Deathstroke, Hawkman and Grifter next year, adding that that was "a ways off".

 Morrison has revealed that he will end his current work for DC with Action Comics #16 and Batman Incorporated #12.

 A string of top creators have recently announced their intention to end their work-for-hire superhero projects to focus on creator-owned comics.

 "The current corporate comics conditions are an absolute bear, on both sides, for both Big Two," tweeted Liefeld. "Not a political statement #fact."

 "Gotta say, for me personally, working at DC this past year has been ridiculously enjoyable and fun," he added. "Treats talent right."
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/comics/news/a395118/rob-liefeld-abandons-superheroes-in-2013.html

Thread title update pls.

(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m05woryvER1r5hsoxo1_400.gif)(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m05woryvER1r5hsoxo1_400.gif)(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m05woryvER1r5hsoxo1_400.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 25, 2012, 04:37:20 PM
"The BORE thread of Comics and how Rob Liefeld will no longer draw [superheroes]."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on July 25, 2012, 04:43:25 PM
Morrison noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

:( :( :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on July 25, 2012, 04:44:40 PM
his indie work is gonna be amazing. like a mass increase in mc escher designed weaponry.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 25, 2012, 05:36:28 PM
"The BORE thread of Comics and how Rob Liefeld will no longer draw [superheroes]."

Better.  Hopefully that turns into "Rob Liefeld will no longer draw or write anything!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 25, 2012, 07:15:04 PM
AoA rocks, you guyz r teh comic snobz

AoA was so good, I quit comics after it was over. Nothing could ever top it. :rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 25, 2012, 08:54:51 PM
Well, I have all 3 parts of The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen: Century, now.

Time to pay the piper.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2012, 09:28:33 PM
Amazon bonanza yesterday: Darwyn Cooke's 'The Score', Hellboy Library vol.5, Flex Mentallo hardcover, Barks' Uncle Scrooge.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on July 25, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
Whaaaa part 3 is out? HYPEEEEEEEE!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 25, 2012, 10:58:08 PM
NOT THAT I CARE, but the idea that Rob Liefeld will be drawing anything OTHER than superheroes for his creator-owned projects is ridic. We have decades of shite Rob Liefeld creator-owned projects for evidence of this.

That said, the relaunched Glory and Prophet are two of my favorite things every month.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 26, 2012, 07:25:07 AM
(http://www.progressiveruin.com/images/p306wmtoaster.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 26, 2012, 08:50:34 AM
Yeah, DC is just straight up trolling Moore now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2012, 11:09:51 AM
(missing image)

Century ended up a was a lot better than I thought it would be from 1910 and 1969, but it's still not really...good. "Hot mess" is the most polite way to describe it. I liked it more than Black Dossier, at least.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 26, 2012, 11:13:36 AM
I'm so torn on League of Extraordinary Gents anymore. I wanted to like the most recent stuff, but it din't really resonate.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2012, 11:31:02 AM
YOU USED THE POSITIVE ANYMORE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_anymore) ARRRRGH I HATE YOU ARRRRGH WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Barry Egan on July 26, 2012, 01:16:04 PM
 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 27, 2012, 02:00:25 AM
YOU USED THE POSITIVE ANYMORE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positive_anymore) ARRRRGH I HATE YOU ARRRRGH WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE

I meant "ana amore," a neologism I've just reflexively coined.  :-[
尚かつ、その様な事は全然いけるでしょうか?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on July 27, 2012, 02:41:29 AM
Chrono is to grammar what Rob Liefeld is to anatomy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2012, 01:49:20 AM
Chrono is to grammar what Rob Liefeld is to anatomy.

 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 28, 2012, 11:35:37 AM
Chrono is to grammar what Rob Liefeld is to anatomy.

 :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 29, 2012, 03:48:45 PM
I read Synder's The Black Mirror (Batman arc). It was okay, but it falls firmly into that Year One/The Dark Knight Returns genre of "serious" Batman books that don't really do much for me. The "villain," in particular, was rather bland. I get that's the point, but... I don't dig the Se7en style grimdark Batman stories. BEAUTIFUL art, though.

I also read the first 5 issues of Hickman's The Manhattan Projects. SUPER impressed. I was expecting some sort of wink-wink Atomic Robo series of historical jokeism from the description, but instead it's something much darker about America's relationship with science and the pursuit of knowledge at all costs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2012, 05:20:56 PM
So I finally caught up on TWD and I don't see what was so bad about issue 100. Was expecting a lot worse.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I expected them to get to the other town or whatever and find Negan or whoever and his dudes killing and raping the hell out of everyone, from the way some people here *caugh caugh Eel cough* talked about it.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on July 29, 2012, 05:43:09 PM
I am trying to decide whether "positive anymore" makes logical sense or not, and thinking about it is actually kind of making my head hurt.  :spin

But I think it does if you interpret it as "If there is any more time in the future, such will be time in which I am so torn on League of Extraordinary Gentlemen". It's a conditional statement on whether there is a future or not.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 30, 2012, 01:55:58 AM
Now you made my head hurt.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 30, 2012, 06:46:42 AM
I read Synder's The Black Mirror (Batman arc). It was okay, but it falls firmly into that Year One/The Dark Knight Returns genre of "serious" Batman books that don't really do much for me. The "villain," in particular, was rather bland. I get that's the point, but... I don't dig the Se7en style grimdark Batman stories. BEAUTIFUL art, though.


I love it more for Tim as Batman and the relationship he builds with Gordon moreso than I do for the Grimdark stuff. 

Finally finished the Batman Incorporated HC last night.  Wow.  I think it's my favorite of the Morrison Bats stuff even if I didn't like the characterization of Oracle.  I had never read anything with Stephanie Brown / Spoiler before so now I want to track down some more of that; which reminds me I have to read the Cassandra Cain stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: naff on August 05, 2012, 10:55:26 PM
Reading batman - no man's land arc and godland from comixology. Never really been into comics (lack of exposure not a conscious decision) but I've been really enjoying these series. Comixology makes reading on Sgs3 awesome with the panel by panel view.

Thought this .gif was pretty good
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5w27taB4O1rp72fko1_500.gif)

Picked up some of the Batman new 52 by Snyder as well. Good stuff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on August 05, 2012, 11:13:26 PM
Yeah, Batman's been pretty great. As for Comixology, it's awesome, it got an update recently so now page transitions are animated and at the end of comics it has "Next in story arc," makes following scattered/crossover series like No Man's Land and Knightfall much easier. Also on my N7 the UI is scaled more appropriately now instead of being super tiny.

Speaking of, finished up Knightfall last night, but I unfortunately didn't get Knightquest or KnightsEnd with it... really wish DC would put TPBs on Comixology. :-\

Gonna go through A Death in the Family and the Red Hood saga next, bought them all a while ago but now with my N7 I'm blazing through my comic backlog.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on August 06, 2012, 12:37:47 AM
I really dislike the court of owls for some reason
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 06, 2012, 12:46:46 AM
Has anyone checked out Double Barrel on comixology etc yet? (also iBooks, iVerse etc). It's probably my favorite thing right now. So much great content for $2, and the price goes down to $1 after a month. The only proviso is you should really read Kevin Cannon's 'Far Arden' before jumping into his story, since it's a direct sequel. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2012, 03:07:31 AM
I really dislike the court of owls for some reason

The reveal was really clumsy and I'm not a big fan of the "secret society has always been here etc. etc." plot contrivances, but the actual story and nitty gritty of the arc was handled great, I feel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 06, 2012, 10:26:49 AM
The reveal at the end of the Night Of Owls arc was the only thing that really sucked about it.  They also should have built up the whole Court Of Owls thing over a much longer period of time.  I know that Night Of Owls happened after seven months of Batman and Nightwing comics, but it still felt kind of rushed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 06, 2012, 04:16:02 PM
Has anyone checked out Double Barrel on comixology etc yet? (also iBooks, iVerse etc). It's probably my favorite thing right now. So much great content for $2, and the price goes down to $1 after a month. The only proviso is you should really read Kevin Cannon's 'Far Arden' before jumping into his story, since it's a direct sequel.

Purchased blind, because: Cormacaroni.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 10, 2012, 09:17:13 AM
whelp

http://www.digitalspy.com/comics/news/a398507/rob-liefeld-im-itching-to-tell-more-adult-stories.html

Quote

"I've been itching to tell more adult stories. For me, it's a reflection of everything that I've been consuming for years - just harder, more adult fare that I could really only do on my own.

"It's not a reflection on any company other than subject matter and the levels of 'mature' content I'd be able to produce. More gore, blood, sex, violence, like any good cable show."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 10, 2012, 09:20:25 AM
Rob will be able to depict sex like no other artist has before. 

(http://media.screened.com/uploads/0/5066/283720-rob_liefeld_super.jpg)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_4w4ap__Zl90/TUerMXwjFVI/AAAAAAAADac/7cPYSRPDq1M/s1600/liefeldgirl.jpg)

Imagining this kind of anatomy engaged in sexual acts reminds me of some twisted monster from Silent Hill.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on August 10, 2012, 09:22:36 AM
Looks like an Ito horror alright
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 12, 2012, 06:32:57 PM
RIP JOE KUBERT
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 12, 2012, 07:25:27 PM
what? nooooooooooo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on August 14, 2012, 12:19:21 AM
And now shops will jack up the price on Nightowl 1 and 2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 15, 2012, 02:21:07 PM
So what's Rob Liefeld going to be doing after he finishes up at DC?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1344458520.jpg)

Fresh off his epic Deathstroke/Lobo battlefest, Rob will make comics featuring...his Deathstroke and Lobo rip-offs.
[close]

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2012, 02:25:22 PM
And they said you can't go home again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 15, 2012, 02:46:18 PM
It just makes this quote look even more hilarious!

Quote
I've been itching to tell more adult stories. For me, it's a reflection of everything that I've been consuming for years -- just harder, more adult fare that I could really only do on my own.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2012, 02:49:46 PM
He always wanted to show Deathstroke's wang but never could....UNTIL NOW.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on August 15, 2012, 03:08:27 PM
why do those guys have no feet
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2012, 03:49:10 PM
why do those guys have no feet

Because Rob Liefeld.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on August 17, 2012, 12:06:11 AM
Ok, I know drawing faces is difficult and can take a little while, but isn't it cheating when only one out of your six characters has their entire face visible, and then you draw it real small so you don't have to add a lot of detail?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on August 17, 2012, 12:07:49 AM
Also look at the hair...only 3 characters have visible hair, and all 3 just have blond troll doll hair! :S
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on August 17, 2012, 12:47:07 AM
So what's Rob Liefeld going to be doing after he finishes up at DC?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1344458520.jpg)

Fresh off his epic Deathstroke/Lobo battlefest, Rob will make comics featuring...his Deathstroke and Lobo rip-offs.
[close]

More marvel and dc rip off characters with his fuck horrible mc escher guns.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 17, 2012, 01:55:27 AM
I was stuck somewhere with my iPad and realized that I'd bought World War Hulk when comixology had it on sale for 99¢ an issue.

Somehow, despite the fact that it didn't take much time to read and it was cheap, I feel ripped off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on August 17, 2012, 01:59:25 AM
Their thick thighs kinda bother me
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 17, 2012, 05:50:53 AM
I was stuck somewhere with my iPad and realized that I'd bought World War Hulk when comixology had it on sale for 99¢ an issue.

Somehow, despite the fact that it didn't take much time to read and it was cheap, I feel ripped off.

i really liked planet hulk and then really disliked wwh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on August 17, 2012, 08:14:01 AM
WWH sort of reminded me of DKR2. Not needed, but forced for money.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 17, 2012, 08:21:51 AM
liefeld has a certain charm in that he persistently refuses to learn or grow in his artwork, and seems to have been frozen in time at age 15

on a certain level you have to admire the balls of someone whose steadfast solution to not knowing how to draw something is to hide whatever it is behind other things
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 17, 2012, 10:04:01 AM
Indeed.  Feet do not exist in the Liefeldverse!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 17, 2012, 11:02:50 AM
So what. Jack Kirby frequently drew four-jointed fingers and such. Hate on Leifeld 'cause it's horrid monotonal art with no dramatic or emotional range, not because of some technical deficiency in a field where damn near everybody is cutting corners like crazy all the time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 17, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
well, it's just my opinion, i can't hate someone just for being a shitty artist
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on August 17, 2012, 01:19:39 PM
Quote
robertliefeld ‏@robertliefeld

I'll be doing dramatic readings of some of my comics work at upcoming appearances. Who doesn't want to act this stuff out right?? Stay tuned

fucking hell I can't wait till December 21.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 17, 2012, 01:37:02 PM
:bow rob :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 17, 2012, 04:20:37 PM
i picked up that Drops of God series.  It's really earnest.  I'm certain it would be better if I were a wine person.  I'll just find the shonen copycat one about whiskey
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 17, 2012, 05:13:23 PM
the whiskey connoisseur one is called "Vagrant Story"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on August 19, 2012, 10:40:39 PM
Last year at the final Wizard World con in Anaheim, a guy I know had a copy of New Mutants #98 (first appearance of Deadpool) he wanted to get signed by Rob. The guy's a huge Deadpool fan, so I went with him over to Rob's table and there were only a couple of dimwit teenagers there drooling over his shitty prints. In order for him to sign New Mutants #98, my friend had to buy one of those shitty prints, but that $20 also got him three signatures. So when he was signing the comic and the super shitty print of Uncanny X-Force (the only one that didn't look like it was drawn by a 12 year old) Rob told him he had one signature left and asked him if his friend (me) wanted anything signed. It was hard to not laugh when I said no thanks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on August 19, 2012, 11:52:04 PM
So what. Jack Kirby frequently drew four-jointed fingers and such. Hate on Leifeld 'cause it's horrid monotonal art with no dramatic or emotional range, not because of some technical deficiency in a field where damn near everybody is cutting corners like crazy all the time.

John Holbo at Crooked Timber did a whole article on this, http://crookedtimber.org/2012/06/18/body-images-and-realism-in-art-notes-towards-a-transvaluation-of-liefeldian-values/

Quote
A follow-up post, I suppose. This sequel to the original 40-worst Liefeld drawings post is a wonder and a public service. But here’s the thing: like all good people, I love Jack Kirby and loath Rob Liefeld. But most of the criticisms of Liefeld – namely, it’s so, so anatomically wrong! – could be applied to Kirby. Why do all his characters look like someone poured a pot of ink down their foreheads? What are those things on the women’s cheeks that might be cheekbones but aren’t? But in the one case I feel affection and admiration, in the other, contempt and revulsion.

I mean: she’s got, like, five extra vertebrae. If you like it, you like it. If you don’t, you’ll say you don’t like it because she’s got too many vertebrae. But then there’s probably some other unrealistic style of painting you like ok. So what are you really bothered by?

Liefeld’s problem isn’t that he can’t draw feet. (Although it’s true. He can’t: how to draw comics the EXTREME way! is funny!) Liefeld’s problem also isn’t that he is a fetishist, because it’s not so unusual for artists to, ahem, investigate the same subject matter over and over again in a body of work. The problem is that the spirit of the whole thing is repellent … but why exactly? It’s juvenile without being attractively childish. It’s incompetent without being attractively outsider-art-y. (If only Rob Liefeld had died and all of his stuff been discovered, unpublished, in his mom’s basement. He could have been a genius.) (...)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 20, 2012, 12:30:42 AM
I finally got around to reading Black Dossier and Century. Liked Black Dossier a lot. Century kind of crawls up its own ass at points - enjoyable, but not quite up to par with the first two LoEG miniseries.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2012, 02:36:53 AM
So what. Jack Kirby frequently drew four-jointed fingers and such. Hate on Leifeld 'cause it's horrid monotonal art with no dramatic or emotional range, not because of some technical deficiency in a field where damn near everybody is cutting corners like crazy all the time.

John Holbo at Crooked Timber did a whole article on this, http://crookedtimber.org/2012/06/18/body-images-and-realism-in-art-notes-towards-a-transvaluation-of-liefeldian-values/

Quote
A follow-up post, I suppose. This sequel to the original 40-worst Liefeld drawings post is a wonder and a public service. But here’s the thing: like all good people, I love Jack Kirby and loath Rob Liefeld. But most of the criticisms of Liefeld – namely, it’s so, so anatomically wrong! – could be applied to Kirby. Why do all his characters look like someone poured a pot of ink down their foreheads? What are those things on the women’s cheeks that might be cheekbones but aren’t? But in the one case I feel affection and admiration, in the other, contempt and revulsion.

I mean: she’s got, like, five extra vertebrae. If you like it, you like it. If you don’t, you’ll say you don’t like it because she’s got too many vertebrae. But then there’s probably some other unrealistic style of painting you like ok. So what are you really bothered by?

Liefeld’s problem isn’t that he can’t draw feet. (Although it’s true. He can’t: how to draw comics the EXTREME way! is funny!) Liefeld’s problem also isn’t that he is a fetishist, because it’s not so unusual for artists to, ahem, investigate the same subject matter over and over again in a body of work. The problem is that the spirit of the whole thing is repellent … but why exactly? It’s juvenile without being attractively childish. It’s incompetent without being attractively outsider-art-y. (If only Rob Liefeld had died and all of his stuff been discovered, unpublished, in his mom’s basement. He could have been a genius.) (...)


huh. Thanks for that!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on August 21, 2012, 07:03:41 PM
Mark Millar on Liefeld: "the best high concept artist in the business"

https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar/status/238033568096473088
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Post by: ManaByte on August 21, 2012, 07:12:44 PM
(http://i.minus.com/igIoflJLECeP8.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 21, 2012, 08:03:05 PM
Mark Millar on Liefeld: "the best high concept artist in the business"

https://twitter.com/mrmarkmillar/status/238033568096473088

 :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on August 21, 2012, 09:47:48 PM
the whole Avengers blooper reel is gold...there's just something so f'in absurd about seeing guys in those costumes IRL, doing mundane things
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 23, 2012, 01:14:59 PM
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/08/rob-liefeld-walks-off-three-dc-titles-to-preserve-my-sanity/

Quote
Rob Liefeld walks off three DC titles ‘to preserve my sanity’


Rob Liefeld, who teased last month on the heels of Grant Morrison that he too would be leaving DC Comics soon, announced his abrupt departure this morning with a flurry of tweets criticizing his editors and the handling of the New 52. Although he’s listed in the solicitations for Deathstroke, Grifter and The Savage Hawkman through November, the writer/artist states that next month’s zero issues will be his last.

“Officially got off the DC52 treadmill this morning,” he wrote, adding, “I believe in what DC is doing, but had to preserve my sanity. I walked off all 3 books. Can’t wait to see any attempts to spin. I have every email.”

Liefeld was among the original creators when DC launched the New 52 a year ago, penciling and later also writing Hawk & Dove before moving in May to Deathstroke (writing and penciling), The Savage Hawkman and Grifter (plotting both).

“This is the 4th time I quit in the last 4 months. This time it will stick,” he wrote from a theater, where he was watching The Expendables 2. “Never thought the Image section of my book would be topped. This last year was a humdinger. The DC52 chapters will go top all of it. [...] Reasons are the same as everyone’s that you hear. I lasted a few months longer than I thought possible. Massive indecision, last minute and I mean LAST minute changes that alter everything. Editor pissing contests… No thxnjs. Last week my editor said ‘early on we had a lot of indie talent that weren’t used to re-writes and changes … made it hard.’ Uh, no, it’s you.”

Liefeld is only the latest creator to exit DC’s New 52 titles amid complaints of a relaunch plagued behind the scenes by disorganization and indecision. Notably, George Perez expressed his frustration over the repeated rewrites and lack of creative freedom that he contends led to his run on Superman being cut short.

“Don’t look for any tell all interview with me,” Liefeld added. “Just follow this feed. … the best stuff has not been shared — not even close!”

:hyper
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Post by: Momo on August 23, 2012, 01:32:23 PM
YES
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2012, 01:39:19 PM
“This is the 4th time I quit in the last 4 months. This time it will stick,” he wrote from a theater, where he was watching The Expendables 2.

This made me laugh for some reason.
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Post by: bork on August 23, 2012, 01:49:23 PM
Everyone is wondering if Rob brought his Conan sword to the theater to watch Arnold.
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Post by: bork on August 23, 2012, 02:00:15 PM
(http://www.mycomicnetwork.com/v2/gallery/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/infinite-2-robert-kirkman-rob-liefeld-comics-image-cbr-mycomicnetwork.jpg)

:rofl
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 23, 2012, 02:06:32 PM
DEM FEET

His right foot looks like a spade and I can't even figure out what's going on with his left foot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on August 23, 2012, 02:10:33 PM
Has anyone ever asked him why he has a tough time with feet?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 23, 2012, 02:19:16 PM
Image posted in the art thread for proper critiquing.  :smug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on August 23, 2012, 02:21:19 PM
Jesus fuck at that chest and package
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 23, 2012, 02:22:42 PM
I like that the dude's head is literally Cable with black hair (and no glowing eye) or "Weapon X" Kane from the old X-Force.   :lol

(http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/1070366/36.jpg)
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Post by: Diunx on August 23, 2012, 02:46:53 PM
Motherfucker was tweeting during the movie! :punch
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Post by: ManaByte on August 24, 2012, 12:10:55 AM
He didn't walk off. He was fired. The books he did sold like they looked (shit).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on August 24, 2012, 12:23:04 AM
(http://i.minus.com/igIoflJLECeP8.gif)
:lol :bow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on August 24, 2012, 11:48:17 PM
Marvel marries off Northstar, who's been gay since the 90s...so DC makes Alan Scott gay, who wasn't gay before.

Marvel makes the new Ultimate Spider-Man half-Hispanic, half-African American with an awesome costume given to him by Samuel L. Jackson, DC makes the new GL of Earth Arab-American with a shitty costume that looks like a Kick Ass rip off:
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/baz-confirmed-as-1st-arab-american-green-lantern.html

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/gl_cv0_previews_final2_02.jpg)

DC should just change their name to Pandering Comics.

Edit: And what the fuck does GREEN LANTERN need with a real gun? He can just make a construct!
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Post by: chronovore on August 27, 2012, 01:52:16 PM
http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2012/08/rob-liefeld-walks-off-three-dc-titles-to-preserve-my-sanity/

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Rob Liefeld walks off three DC titles ‘to preserve my sanity’


Rob Liefeld, who teased last month on the heels of Grant Morrison that he too would be leaving DC Comics soon, announced his abrupt departure this morning with a flurry of tweets criticizing his editors and the handling of the New 52. Although he’s listed in the solicitations for Deathstroke, Grifter and The Savage Hawkman through November, the writer/artist states that next month’s zero issues will be his last.

“Officially got off the DC52 treadmill this morning,” he wrote, adding, “I believe in what DC is doing, but had to preserve my sanity. I walked off all 3 books. Can’t wait to see any attempts to spin. I have every email.”

Liefeld was among the original creators when DC launched the New 52 a year ago, penciling and later also writing Hawk & Dove before moving in May to Deathstroke (writing and penciling), The Savage Hawkman and Grifter (plotting both).

“This is the 4th time I quit in the last 4 months. This time it will stick,” he wrote from a theater, where he was watching The Expendables 2. “Never thought the Image section of my book would be topped. This last year was a humdinger. The DC52 chapters will go top all of it. [...] Reasons are the same as everyone’s that you hear. I lasted a few months longer than I thought possible. Massive indecision, last minute and I mean LAST minute changes that alter everything. Editor pissing contests… No thxnjs. Last week my editor said ‘early on we had a lot of indie talent that weren’t used to re-writes and changes … made it hard.’ Uh, no, it’s you.”

Liefeld is only the latest creator to exit DC’s New 52 titles amid complaints of a relaunch plagued behind the scenes by disorganization and indecision. Notably, George Perez expressed his frustration over the repeated rewrites and lack of creative freedom that he contends led to his run on Superman being cut short.

“Don’t look for any tell all interview with me,” Liefeld added. “Just follow this feed. … the best stuff has not been shared — not even close!”

:hyper

So Liefield not only can't draw, he's also a dick who does text messaging inside a movie theater. :smh
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 28, 2012, 02:10:48 AM
(http://i.qkme.me/3q3y96.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on August 28, 2012, 08:36:38 AM
got the Prophet trade paperback in the mail yesterday

fucking wow.

It's pure Metal Hurlant / euro sci-fantasy shit and I loved every goddamn page of it.  every goddamn page.  Best of its kind since Jerry Cor Casanova.

Also finally read the first HC volume of Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run.  Pretty good.  I can see why it was a classic of its time.  You can certainly see the influence the first story arc had on the first story arc of Sandman (in the whole Swampy vs Woodrue / Sandman vs Doctor Destiny thing) and how Sandman was constructed from a "look and feel" at least for that first volume.

Good timing as the New 52 Swamp Thing trade will reach me this week.
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Post by: bork on August 28, 2012, 02:37:23 PM
Prophet is great...hard to believe it's Liefeld-related!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 28, 2012, 03:15:26 PM
I've started reading The Goon. Great stuff, I love it. The setting is great and the writing is hilarious but still able to pull off some serious stuff (like the parts with Buzzard). Read through volumes 1-3 of the trades (I don't have volume 0 yet), need to pick up some more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on August 29, 2012, 01:31:27 AM
(http://i.qkme.me/3q3y96.jpg)

Pretty fucking impressive.
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Post by: Barry Egan on August 29, 2012, 07:28:41 AM
(http://i.qkme.me/3q3y96.jpg)

Pretty fucking impressive.

Captain America grabbing the shield, or the deft use of meme imagery?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2012, 07:22:07 AM
was not a fan of the Swamp Thing "reboot."
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Post by: Cormacaroni on August 31, 2012, 10:10:01 PM
I liked it and Animal Man a lot at first but got bored when the fill-in artists started appearing. The consensus seems to be I got off at the right time.

Good to see you're on board with Prophet. Did you check out Glory yet? It's nowhere near as well-written or imaginative as Prophet but it looks spectacular and is consistently entertaining.

Book O'the Month for me has to be Matt Kindt's SuperSpy, which was on my pile of shame for literally 2 years. I read the first few stories and thought, cool! But then other books arrived and I just put it aside. Big mistake. Reading the whole thing is so much more fun than reading the individual stories (which are typically concise little gems of noir storytelling), as you get the added fun of piecing together the interlocking narratives, all of which are told out of sequence. The art really grew on me as well...basically a much less ornate Craig Thompson. He has similar skills but mostly keeps it very simple in order to crank out this big story. The book is OOP now it seems, but it's 5 bucks or so on comixology. Highly recommended.
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Post by: chronovore on August 31, 2012, 11:49:57 PM
At a convention in February, I found a big volume of Catwoman by Brubaker and the delectable Darwyn Cooke for five dollah. I have been waiting to enjoy it, and was really, really enjoying the storytelling overlay it has with Darwyn's Parker series. (Thanks, Cormacaroni!) Instead, I ended up getting the entire goddamned thing water damaged so badly the binding is buckled.

 :'( :'( :'(
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 01, 2012, 01:01:39 AM
Those are pretty great. Darwyn isn't around very long but Cameron Stewart does well too. Slam Bradley :rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 01, 2012, 05:38:57 AM
Yeah I loved the Catwoman series

You read Gotham Central yet?

I need to get King City by the guy who writes Prophet.  Apparently he also does porn comics? 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on September 02, 2012, 08:10:28 PM
Yeah, Gotham Central is good. Not amazing but solid. King City is great, thought you'd have been on that already.

He does porn and posts a ton of killer art links to twitter. His taste is idiosyncratic but awesome. @royalboiler
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2012, 05:25:00 AM
got the Glory and Manhattan Projects trades in yesterday.  Glory was pretty good but the art is all over the place.  I like the original sketches of the lead character as a kind of dumpy overweight nerd a bit more than her as someone who is slim and athletic.  I think the series could have been better if we see her transform into a bad ass warrior.  Glory looks weird as fuck.  I hate her hair and the artist draws her like she has a babyhead on an adult's body.

Manhattan Projects is Next Level (tm).  NEXT.  LEVEL. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 12, 2012, 11:07:37 AM
Didn't read the new Glory series because of the art.  Just hate the way she looks.

Prophet also looks nothing like he used to...but that's a good thing.
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Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2012, 11:25:17 AM
it reads like Image's Promethea which it kind of is
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2012, 11:30:40 AM
Manhattan Projects is Next Level (tm).  NEXT.  LEVEL.

I KNOW, RIGHT? So happy to buy the TPB and support the series. Please, please, please let it continue.  As I said in July:

Quote
I read the first 5 issues of Hickman's The Manhattan Projects. SUPER impressed. I was expecting some sort of wink-wink Atomic Robo series of historical jokeism from the description, but instead it's something much darker about America's relationship with science and the pursuit of knowledge at all costs.

Though I would add to that, I love the boyish character of Feynman, and how he represents the pursuit of science for science's sake, without respect for the consequences. And it's a gripping good yarn on top of all this, too! AND THE COLORING. Man, it's been a while since I've been so stoked for a new series.
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Post by: ManaByte on September 22, 2012, 04:01:55 PM
Bendis is the Liefeld of comic writers. Ends a five-issue limited series with an annoying cliffhanger.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 23, 2012, 12:55:17 AM
Bendis is the Liefeld of comic writers. Ends a five-issue limited series with an annoying cliffhanger.

Spider-Men?
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Post by: ManaByte on September 23, 2012, 01:10:19 AM
Yea. The whole thing actually wasn't completely horrible, mostly the parts with Peter Parker interacting with the Ultimate Gwen Stacy and Aunt May being good. But the dumbass goes and ends what was actually a decent mini-series that made the Ultimate Universe not look so distinguished mentally-challenged with a cliffhanger.
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Post by: bork on September 23, 2012, 11:47:20 AM
I read it too.  I don't know if that could even be called a cliffhanger, but I can see how people would look at it that way.

It will be forgotten about soon enough.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on September 23, 2012, 12:40:56 PM
Brubaker's final issue of Cap:

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/9/99507/2459554-capa2011019_cov.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 23, 2012, 03:11:23 PM
 :american
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on September 23, 2012, 05:42:25 PM
it reads like Image's Promethea which it kind of is
Your extra-tera-astral projections
Sear my third eye,
Like the cattle of amazement.

Promethea is basically Moore having an ENORMOUS ideas wank, he be lounging in his pool, bitches be wafting his raven coloured mane, Therbius III, a loung talrentedusssss. Dlew foh mostah tarenterrrled price.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on September 23, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
Actually Brubaker is amazing. I just basically wish that there were more people like him doing the things he does: intense no hole bards Criminal graphic journalising/that special needs guy/a bad guy, being a loveable cunt/the thing with the 'gay punisher' on the ULTIMATE SPACE SHIP.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on September 24, 2012, 01:37:45 AM
God bless Lieutenant Latvia
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on September 24, 2012, 05:20:34 PM
Seriously, Promethea is like a really intense water-boarding of ideas, and the artist with III in his name really just works so well with Moores thoughts, which he obviously did after getting high.

I'm really enjoying 100 Bullets, I originally thought it was based on a thing by a Nintendo game or something. It's not, and the art is arresting in its baseness.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 25, 2012, 06:56:47 AM
My Friend Dahmer is intense and depressing.  Derf knew him in highschool and this book is a memoir of their hanging out together and how he was at the time.  At the end you can only say "how did no one notice?"  brutal book.  I really feel sorry for Dahmer; not enough to excuse what he did but jesus...
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Post by: Cormacaroni on September 25, 2012, 09:13:33 AM
Yeah, that messed me up as well. I can't conceive of a child, even a large one, wandering through school halls with open cups of whiskey all day and no one intervening. But it happened.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 03, 2012, 03:50:08 AM
Anyone else laugh at loud at Dick's retconned New 52 Robin costume?

(http://i.imgur.com/5AmNr.png)

On the other hand, I thought this was pretty cool:

(http://i.imgur.com/6M3Pu.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on October 03, 2012, 07:30:25 AM
woof

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on October 07, 2012, 11:58:25 AM
So unlike shitty Fear Itself, AvX actually mattered. Completely reversed House of M (with the same Scarlet Witch reset button) and no more Phoenix ever.

Stupid Cyclops is in prison, Magneto and Emma Frost are villains again. Mutants everywhere. I don't have any problem with that.
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Post by: Yeti on October 07, 2012, 07:10:36 PM
No more Phoenix ever?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on October 07, 2012, 07:47:33 PM
No more Phoenix ever?

Scarlet Witch destroyed the Phoenix Force and the side effect was the restoration of Mutants.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 08, 2012, 07:37:09 AM
So what's the word on the new 52?

mixed bag at best.  i like Demon Knights, Justice League Dark, Animal Man and Swamp Thing and kind of sort of liked Action Comics and Frankenstein.  Demon Knights is like reading a power metal album.  It's insane in a good way.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 08, 2012, 09:07:59 AM
The Batman: Court of Owls stuff has been pretty good, if you like Batman.
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Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2012, 10:46:22 AM
Batman is going to get awesome this Wednesday. :hyper :hyper

(http://i.imgur.com/WelVfl.jpg)

(http://a.yfrog.com/img686/8330/fnpcl.jpg)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Batman #13 hits on October 10 and features the first appearance of the Joker since September 2011's Detective Comics #1 (where another villain removed his face, after which he promptly went into hiding.) The story arc we're heading into, and which permeates all the Bat-books, is titled "Death of the Family," playing on 1988's "A Death in the Family," which famously killed off the second Robin, Jason Todd. The reference is obviously saying "this is going to be like that, but it's going to affect everyone, not just Batman and Robin."

Writer Scott Snyder has been hyping this for months, if not a whole damn year. If you wanna get into Batman comics, there will be no better time. This event is going to rock the Bat-verse, I can sense it.
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Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2012, 11:56:29 AM
Definitely. I think Snyder said this storyline could last a year or more, too. Getting in on ground zero is always exciting.

Definitely backlog Batman #0-12 when you get the time, and maybe B&R too. B&R isn't fantastic, but it's pretty good IMO. Mostly cause of Damian.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2012, 12:12:02 PM
I think he confirmed it goes to at least until #17, which would be February yeah, but he's said before he prefers longer running arcs. Court of Owls was 11 months.

Wonder what the tie-ins will be like. I already pick up Nightwing, it will probably crossover into Red Hood and maybe even Teen Titans cause of Drake...
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Post by: ManaByte on October 08, 2012, 10:14:36 PM
Marvel's relaunching all their books with new #1s beginning with Uncanny Avengers on Wednesday. So it's a perfect time to get back into comics.
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Post by: Tasty on October 08, 2012, 10:34:09 PM
Wait, so Marvel Now really is a ripoff of New 52? :lol I thought they were just shuffling around their writers and relaunching some things as well as finally getting their digital asses in gear.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on October 09, 2012, 12:33:31 AM
Wait, so Marvel Now really is a ripoff of New 52? :lol I thought they were just shuffling around their writers and relaunching some things as well as finally getting their digital asses in gear.

Marvel's digital has been superior to DCs for a long time now. EVERY $3.99 Marvel book comes with a digital copy. Whereas in DC, only the books that get covered in the mainstream press get digital copies bundled with the print one.
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Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 12:42:48 AM
I was more talking about how they have 20 different services offering overlapping but not completely complimentary series. There was like Marvel.com, Comixology, Chrome app, some other ones, etc. And they all offered different sets of series.

Link: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/02/07/marvel-digital-comics-buy/

With DC it's pretty much just Comixology. As a digital-only buyer I don't care about budles or whatever. Why take up both physical as well as digital space? Worst of both worlds.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 02:24:46 AM
Marvel's digital is by no fucking means superior to DC's, sorry. DC (and Image and basically everybody else) drops it's prices by a $1 after a month; Marvel drops only after a YEAR's worth of issues (or 12 issues, whichever comes first). Also, there are still gaps in their line-up - like Fury MAX, probably the best thing they're publishing. I could care less about a digital code 'cause i never get the paper singles anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 02:30:23 AM
I do admit though, Comixology's Marvel Mondays are pretty great. But yeah, it doesn't make up for DC heavily discounting their stuff as you go further and further back. Wanna get caught up on two years' worth of old Detective Comics? $50.

Basically a permanent Steam sale of comics. Too hard to resist usually, which is why I don't make a habit of browsing Comixology too much. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 09, 2012, 02:31:59 AM
man, i am so tired of the joker

i think everyone would give batman a pass for killing him

"well, okay. just don't do it again."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 02:33:18 AM
at the least, stop locking him up in Arkham Asylum - a combination ticking time bomb/revolving door/insta-Joker gang
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 02:34:18 AM
Would read a series where Joker was chained to Batman's radiator and was reduced to barbed comments when Damian delivered his cat food
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 09, 2012, 02:35:50 AM
hahaha! so would i!

that whole face removal storyline sounds kind of dumb, tbh

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 02:44:20 AM
man, i am so tired of the joker

i think everyone would give batman a pass for killing him

"well, okay. just don't do it again."

To be fair, he hasn't really done anything worthwhile since Death in the Family/Killing Joke. He's usually in the background during stuff like Hush/No Man's Land/the crisises/Batman RIP/etc.

Not to mention he hasn't been seen for over a year, which is kinda unprecedented for a villain of his magnitude. There's usually at least stupid cameos. We're overdue for a good Joker story.

Edit- His missing face is barely part of the story as far as I can tell. Just something to make him look scarier. The true plot will probably be some kind of twisted scheme.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 09, 2012, 02:45:43 AM
Although I did like that Azzarello Joke GN, he did a good job explaining why anyone would ever want to work for a genuine homicidal lunatic.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 02:45:51 AM
Yo cormac what would you recommend I check out? I already started Punk Rock Jesus from a previous post of yours and I'm really liking it.

I gave up on Punk Rock Jesus (and said so on twitter, whereupon Sean Murphy responded and made me :fbm)

I dunno, I twitter about comics all the time. I think you personally would love the new Batman stuff given your history but I'm not sure you'd like a lot of what I'm into.

Such as: just read the new Alison Bechdel 'Are You My Mother?'. It's the follow-up to her crossover hit about her dad, 'Fun Home'. This one is ostensibly about her mother but really it's a bunch of Bechdel navel-gazing and regurgitating her therapy sessions. Her mother is a bit character at best. When you have to delve back to the time spent in the womb to deconstruction a relationship, you're lacking in actual material I think. That said, I found it very enjoyable and thought-provoking....but would be stunned if it takes off like Fun Home. It's just not as interesting and lacks any kind of hook like that book had (the crazy, closeted-gay Dad who runs the eponymous FUNeral Home and then suicides shortly after Bechdel herself comes out)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 02:47:13 AM
Well that's not really comics' fault then.

Also how can you not get at least some kind of cool feeling from the upcoming posters:

(http://i.imgur.com/ILKwFl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/z1IKSl.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 02:49:36 AM
I think the Joker was pretty central to RIP/Batman & Robin really. As central as any other villain was anyway.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 09, 2012, 02:49:57 AM
he's overexposed in the comics, too

dude stole mr mxtplk's (sp) powers and made himself a god

basically, fuck the joker, and fuck the strained "bububu i can't lower myself to that level and kill him" storylines the character drags along behind him like a blanket

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 02:50:39 AM
I think the Joker was pretty central to RIP/Batman & Robin really. As central as any other villain was anyway.

The main villain of those was Hurt. I mean, yeah, Joker was definitely a notable factor, but even now I'm struggling to remember anything he did aside from

spoiler (click to show/hide)
killing Hurt at the end of B&R 2009.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 09, 2012, 02:53:07 AM
he's not even a character anymore, he's a hot topic t-shirt design
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 02:56:49 AM
I think my biggest problem is when the Joker is written in a way that overshadows Batman and other villains story wise. He is up there as probably my favorite comic book villain of all time alongside Magneto and Dr.Doom, but they ought to give him a break and focus on other villains.

Aren't you just getting into comics? They HAVE been giving him a break. That's why his return is being hyped.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 09, 2012, 03:07:05 AM
Batman: "I will make an exception in your case."

That one line would stir shit up proper, add an unpredictable element (for a while) to what has become THE most predictable villain, AND breathe some life into the Batman character. Every time Joker showed his face (or pulled it out of his pocket, or whatever) he'd be taking his life into his hands.  They wouldn't even have to actually go through with it, just the notion that Batman has had his fill of Joker and WOULD go through with it would be enough.

or, how about an occasional story where the Joker just does some wacky shit and doesn't actually kill anyone at all. Because right now, it goes a little bit like this:

Joker shows up out of nowhere after having been presumed dead, or whatever

Kills a henchman who makes a slightly innocent remark which set him off because WOOOOOOOHOOOOO he's crazy

Kills a whole lot of people just to get Batman's attention

Batman shows up, beats the shit out of him, stops himself at the last second because I CAN'T EVER CROSS THAT LINE MOMMY AND DADDY

Joker word balloon with shaky font comes out of Arkham Asylum window OMG HE'LL BE BACK

rinse, repeat, zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 03:25:20 AM
Batman: "I will make an exception in your case."

Lol this is basically what he said to Darkseid right before shooting and "killing" him.

Joker is just a man, he doesn't get to bend the rules. Especially since an exception has already been made.

That's kinda the whole point of Joker. Kill him and he wins. Yeah, it's dumb in a comic way. Yeah, people get killed because of it. But it's why Batman vs. Joker is such an interesting and popular dynamic.

Killing him off wouldn't do anything, they'd just bring him back somehow and then his character would be kinda tainted.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 03:26:57 AM
Well, Feelbad - the twist recently is that the current Robin IS a take-no-prisoners badass ninja assassin in a 10yr child's body. He has killed multiple bad guys in cold blood by this point. When he was left alone with the Joker in an interrogation room, he just beat the shit out of him with a crowbar and there was a genuine sense of danger to the proceedings. Obviously a major character can't ever really die in these comics of course, but there was at least a palpable sense that one of the heroes was actually prepared to do the smart thing.

And also, there was the Batman 666 issue that showed Damian as Batman in the future, and he actually HAD killed off a bunch of the badguys in that timeline IIRC.

Andrex - Joker set up huge chunks of those storylines, you may need to read it again. Don't forget that he was appearing in disguise for a bunch of B&R too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 03:28:04 AM
btw, the most satisfying resolution to the Joker - Batman thing we're ever gonna see is in - where else? - Dark Knight Returns where Batman paralyzes him (a riff Miller lifted from his Daredevil run but hey, it works)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 09, 2012, 03:39:20 AM
Reading the heck out of Scott Pilgrim. I'm up to Volume 4, and I'm impressed and surprised at how true the movie stayed to the books.

he's overexposed in the comics, too

dude stole mr mxtplk's (sp) powers and made himself a god

basically, fuck the joker, and fuck the strained "bububu i can't lower myself to that level and kill him" storylines the character drags along behind him like a blanket

Yeah, but it's less "can't lower myself to his level" and more about trying to prove that we can all rise above our problems, and be cured. In Killing Joke and DKR, it's clearly a case of Bruce hoping to exorcise his own demons which drives his need to not kill Joker, and give him a chance to be cured.

I don't like it, because there's some simple math about all the people Joker has killed, and how just locking him up will lead to more dead people.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 09, 2012, 03:39:25 AM
Well, Feelbad - the twist recently is that the current Robin IS a take-no-prisoners badass ninja assassin in a 10yr child's body. He has killed multiple bad guys in cold blood by this point. When he was left alone with the Joker in an interrogation room, he just beat the shit out of him with a crowbar and there was a genuine sense of danger to the proceedings. Obviously a major character can't ever really die in these comics of course, but there was at least a palpable sense that one of the heroes was actually prepared to do the smart thing.

And also, there was the Batman 666 issue that showed Damian as Batman in the future, and he actually HAD killed off a bunch of the badguys in that timeline IIRC.

Andrex - Joker set up huge chunks of those storylines, you may need to read it again. Don't forget that he was appearing in disguise for a bunch of B&R too

Right, Orbulon or whoever. Still, he wasn't a presence, and in that case, he actually helped Batman. I was talking about his stuff as a villain.

Even in like Infinite Crisis he had a farily-large part IIRC, but I don't really think of him doing anything noteworthy coming out of it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on October 09, 2012, 08:08:48 AM
I was more talking about how they have 20 different services offering overlapping but not completely complimentary series. There was like Marvel.com, Comixology, Chrome app, some other ones, etc. And they all offered different sets of series.

Link: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/02/07/marvel-digital-comics-buy/

With DC it's pretty much just Comixology. As a digital-only buyer I don't care about budles or whatever. Why take up both physical as well as digital space? Worst of both worlds.

That article's over a year old. Now the Marvel comics store account can be linked to Comixology so if you buy or redeem a code at Marvel.com, you can download and read the comic in the Comixology app.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on October 09, 2012, 08:11:15 AM
I was more talking about how they have 20 different services offering overlapping but not completely complimentary series. There was like Marvel.com, Comixology, Chrome app, some other ones, etc. And they all offered different sets of series.

Link: http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/02/07/marvel-digital-comics-buy/

With DC it's pretty much just Comixology. As a digital-only buyer I don't care about budles or whatever. Why take up both physical as well as digital space? Worst of both worlds.

That article's over a year old. Now the Marvel comics store account can be linked to Comixology so if you buy or redeem a code at Marvel.com, you can download and read the comic in the Comixology app.

Ugh don't you just hate it when people link to an article and then take it out of context?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 09, 2012, 02:25:30 PM
Anyone read this; is it good?

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51C128907YL.jpg)

I've never read any Moorcock, but I saw this at the local bookstore for $3 and though "Eh, surely it's worth that."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 09, 2012, 07:51:26 PM
worth it for Walt Simonson, although i can't imagine the Moorcock part compresses well into comics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2012, 05:06:28 AM
i LOVE moorcock probably more than anyone else here (i even read his hawkwind books *shudder*) and I can't stand his comics work

he doesn't get what makes comics work and stead treats each panel like an illustrated page from a picture book.  it just doesn't work out well at all
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 03:08:37 PM
:bow IT'S OUT :bow2 (http://www.comixology.com/Batman-2011-13/digital-comic/AUG120180)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2012, 03:11:53 PM
:bow IT'S OUT :bow2 (http://www.comixology.com/Batman-2011-13/digital-comic/AUG120180)

WWFT*

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on October 10, 2012, 04:52:52 PM
:bow IT'S OUT :bow2 (http://www.comixology.com/Batman-2011-13/digital-comic/AUG120180)

That's not Uncanny Avengers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 05:41:14 PM
ComicGAF says it sucks. (http://files.myopera.com/debplatt/smiley/shrug2.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2012, 05:56:43 PM
Quote
Death of the Family" part 1 featuring the return of the Joker! He crippled Batgirl. He killed Robin.

did he?  i thought none of that happened
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 06:12:50 PM
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Death of the Family" part 1 featuring the return of the Joker! He crippled Batgirl. He killed Robin.

did he?  i thought none of that happened

Definitely happened. It's just there weren't really any longlasting consequences. Todd was dead for like a year before coming back. :lol

I know in Nightwing they made a special point of Dick talking down Babs for taking up Batgirl so soon after getting back on the wagon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2012, 06:19:33 PM
I meant in the "new 52"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 06:47:07 PM
I meant in the "new 52"

Me too.

Jason was dead for like 5-6 years in old continuity.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 10, 2012, 07:26:49 PM
I meant in the "new 52"

Barbara being crippled is still in continuity, she just got automagically healed at the beginning of the New 52.

Which is still better than Jason Todd being resurrected by Superboy-Prime punching a hole in the space-time continuum.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 08:07:38 PM
I meant in the "new 52"

Barbara being crippled is still in continuity, she just got automagically healed at the beginning of the New 52.

Which is still better than Jason Todd being resurrected by Superboy-Prime punching a hole in the space-time continuum.

Changed in New 52 to be a Lazarus Pit, like the movie.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2012, 08:33:33 PM
i think i'll just stick to jet blue hentai
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 11:11:15 PM
Batman #13 was amazing. In one issue, Scott Snyder puts the last 10 years of Bat-books to shame.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 10, 2012, 11:12:29 PM
holy hyperbole, andrex
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 10, 2012, 11:13:30 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 11:19:57 PM
It's what I do best! :D

But seriously, it's pretty great. I was afraid that Joker's new face wouldn't live up to the hype, but it has (for me personally.)

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Also loved they pulled everyone in the Batfamily into things even if it was just a bunch of cameos. Joker in the precinct creeped me the hell out. :o But I was reading in a blacked-out room with TDK Rises music in the background. Him going after Barbara and Jim is an interesting and not totally unexpected twist, but I felt really scared for Gordon. Especially after him in the elevator... "Can you tell?"

Batman being a dunce is the only downside of the issue. Seriously, he couldn't avoid a giant hammer? Plus he did the shonen dumbass thing of "no one else take him, he's mine!" *proceeds to endanger tons of lives because of selfish pride*

Will be interesting to see how Damian's arrogance plays into things, he hasn't really been knocked down a peg, then again he did beat Joker to a pulp last time they faced off.

Also, guess it's confirmed, Joker knows Bruce is Batman. Knock knock, Alfred!
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 10, 2012, 11:38:09 PM
Seems like a standard "he's different this time" Joker story so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 10, 2012, 11:43:28 PM
err, Joker beat Damian half to death after that, Andrex. Not that it has affected his confidence overly but what do you expect, he's 10.

It actually is sort of depressingly one-note and on the nose so far. The point of Joker was never just killing people, was it? It was being an unpredictable, anarchic force. Killing all the Bat-people is like the most predictable fucking thing he could possibly do. He's known the secret identities for years (and has done so in New 52 if he shot Barbara-as-Barbara) and could have killed everyone at any time. This just seems like more Geoff Johns-esque 'Let's draw the line between now and the past by introducing more random ultraviolence' riffing so far. I was excited to read it but not excited after finishing it, let's put it that way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2012, 11:53:20 PM
Who said he's gonna kill any of them, or try to? He just killed a bunch of cops, which he does almost every time he shows up (it's just this time he did it in a much better, creepier way.) Lol if you think they'd actually kill <the person he attacked at the end of the issue> off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 11, 2012, 12:04:01 AM
Yeah of course he's not going to be doing any killing of significant cast characters; that just makes it all the lamer. They're calling it Death of the Family, not Death of a Bunch of Cops, but this will quickly be revealed as a shock tactic sales generator, as usual.

I'll say one thing for Robert Kirkman: Invincible and the Walking Dead cast are pretty lame as characters compared to the big Marvel/DC characters, but the actual books are usually way more exciting because they have actual consequence and story progression. He's maxing out what talent he has pretty effectively as a result.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 11, 2012, 12:05:41 AM
p.s. i just did a re-read of Invincible from the start through the end of Viltrumite War - OMG Ryan Ottley looks amazing in CMX-HD in panel view. The series lost a fair bit of momentum after that but i'm kinda pumped for the build-up to #100 now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 11, 2012, 12:14:40 AM
The face thing is really, really dumb. I can't get over it. Someone thought that was a good idea.

How about a story where the Joker kidnaps some random kid and brainwashes him into being his son?  You know, he's kind of jealous that Batman has a kid now, so he snatches up some pampered rich teen and fucks his brain up good, even going so far as to mutilate him to look like his "Dad." They could even get into some darker territory where you discover he's been trying to knock up Harley for years, and even succeeded a few times, but Harley always took a morning after pill or got an abortion before he found out because even though she's fucked up she's not fucked up enough to let him get his hands on a baby.

Anyway, Joker eventually regrets creating his own son, because it turns out the kid is a "better" Joker than he is - you know, actually funny and clever, brings in more money, doesn't arbitrarily kill the henchmen so they like him better, has charmed Harley into being a mother figure, etc. So of course Joker wants to kill him now. Now Batman's got two Jokers warring with each other and destroying large chunks of Gotham in the process.

As for stories with lasting impact...

You don't see the title of the story until the end, because that's been the kid's plan all along, to show up "Dad," to humiliate him and crush all his criminal enterprises, to get Harley on his side to the point she lets her guard down so he can publicly kill the one thing Joker gives a teeny bit of a shit about right in front of him,  all as payback for having his face/mind wrecked.

"Did You Hear The One About The Matricide?"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 12:22:34 AM
Dr. Feelbad > Grant Morrison
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2012, 12:43:50 AM
A little? More like a lot.

Getting up your expectations for what you think should happen with any story is gonna doom it for you. Plus you were hating on this story before it came out, don't know what you expected.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 11, 2012, 01:09:39 AM
The face thing isn't a TERRIBLE idea - the hook is that he has been able to move anonymously for the past year, and can still do so now if he feels like it, right? Although in a DC universe with time-travelling chairs and magic wishing rings and lest we forget, Batman's own magic face-masking tech from Snyder's own series....why this is really necessary vs just slapping on a mask is somewhat beyond me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 11, 2012, 02:02:21 AM
I've been reading Scott Pilgrim.

It is pretty choice. The riffing on manga style without becoming a slave to it, the references to other media like video games and music, the awareness of the characters that they're in a book... it's all a lot of fun. I enjoyed the movie a bunch, but now I see why the comic was so darling.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 11, 2012, 07:34:57 AM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/10/10/stan-lee-media-sues-disney-marvel-characters/

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

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We've previously seen the estate of Jack Kirby try to wrestle back ownership of the characters the King of Comics had created for Marvel, and now it's apparently time for the corporation bearing the name of Kirby's co-conspirator to try the same thing. Yes, Stan Lee Media, Inc. has launched legal action against Marvel owner Disney, claiming that it is actually the true owner of all of Lee's characters at the publisher.

The company, founded in 1998 and having no real connection with Lee himself (The two have actually been involved in various legal battles against each other to underscore that fact), is suing Disney for the profits it has made from the various Marvel Entertainment movies and merchandise since it purchased the company in 2009, claiming that the copyright to Lee's various co-creations actually belongs to Stan Lee Media, Inc. and not Marvel, and therefore Disney.

"Defendant The Walt Disney Company has represented to the public that it, in fact, owns the copyright to these characters as well as to hundreds of other characters created by Stan Lee. Those representations made to the public by The Walt Disney Company are false," explains the lawsuit. SLMI is claiming that Lee signed over the rights to characters he created in October of 1998 in exchange for stock in Stan Lee Media, Inc., meaning that the November, 1998 agreement he signed with Marvel to assign the publisher control of the characters was worthless. "Lee no longer owned those rights since they had been assigned to SMI previously," the lawsuit explains.

"Accordingly, the Marvel agreement actually assigned nothing." Considering the near-mythical legal might of Disney, it's unlikely to imagine that this lawsuit will end up as anything more than a footnote in Marvel history, but if nothing else, we can look forward to a trial if only to find out why either Stan Lee Media, Inc. or Lee himself apparently believed that Lee had any ownership over the various Marvel Comics characters to assign in the first place.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on October 11, 2012, 08:08:17 AM
Yeah of course he's not going to be doing any killing of significant cast characters; that just makes it all the lamer. They're calling it Death of the Family, not Death of a Bunch of Cops, but this will quickly be revealed as a shock tactic sales generator, as usual.

I'll say one thing for Robert Kirkman: Invincible and the Walking Dead cast are pretty lame as characters compared to the big Marvel/DC characters, but the actual books are usually way more exciting because they have actual consequence and story progression. He's maxing out what talent he has pretty effectively as a result.

No one at DC has read AvX 11 yet. Once they do, they'll do another knee-jerk reaction to what Marvel did and find some useless character to kill off.

It'll either be Jimmy, Perry White, or Krypto.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 11, 2012, 08:53:35 AM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/10/10/stan-lee-media-sues-disney-marvel-characters/

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

So if what I'm reading is correct, this company died when the dotcom bubble popped, and has existed only to sue and be sued by Stan Lee and Marvel ever since? Sounds like a pretty awesome business model.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 11, 2012, 09:23:22 AM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2012/10/10/stan-lee-media-sues-disney-marvel-characters/

loooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

So if what I'm reading is correct, this company died when the dotcom bubble popped, and has existed only to sue and be sued by Stan Lee and Marvel ever since? Sounds like a pretty awesome business model.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stan_Lee_Media

Some really amazing stuff in here. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 11, 2012, 09:37:05 AM
about ten years or so ago i went on a group trip to carowinds amusement park

it was august (that was a brilliant plan), so of course it was 80 jillion degrees, and one of the group and i decided fuck the heat and opted to hop from theater show to theater show instead of getting heat stroke standing in line for rides

one of the shows we saw was a stan lee media joint, some animated 3D adventure starring outcast teens with superpowers

it was a total x-men ripoff, and it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked in the way only an eighty year old man writing teen characters could (but the way the mechanized theater chairs tossed you around was pretty cool)

so when i think of stan lee post-marvel i think of stumbling around in a hellish amusement park wasteland with heat haze coming off the asphalt, and "at least it was air conditioned"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on October 11, 2012, 11:10:54 AM
about ten years or so ago i went on a group trip to carowinds amusement park

it was august (that was a brilliant plan), so of course it was 80 jillion degrees, and one of the group and i decided fuck the heat and opted to hop from theater show to theater show instead of getting heat stroke standing in line for rides

one of the shows we saw was a stan lee media joint, some animated 3D adventure starring outcast teens with superpowers

it was a total x-men ripoff, and it suuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked in the way only an eighty year old man writing teen characters could (but the way the mechanized theater chairs tossed you around was pretty cool)

so when i think of stan lee post-marvel i think of stumbling around in a hellish amusement park wasteland with heat haze coming off the asphalt, and "at least it was air conditioned"

7th Portal? I actually worked at this ride back when I worked at King's Island. It replaced my beloved James Bond License to Thrill Ride. The whole thing just makes me laugh, from the blatant Darkseid/Thanos rip off to the fact they have characters named things like Oxblood and Levitatia (because she can levitate!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJBhWkEmopo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 11, 2012, 06:28:14 PM
Hahaha, yeah, that's the one
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 14, 2012, 08:13:23 AM
He's a brilliant artist, yeah, which is why I was excited to read it. The writing however...it's just too obvious and hammers home every point, even though the reader has probably seen it all coming anyway. It's a rookie effort though so he may improve. I'll likely read it from the start again when it is all done.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 14, 2012, 08:44:11 AM
The only stuff i've read is Joe the Barbarian (with Grant Morrison), which was disappointing, and a great American Vampire spin-off mini. Pretty sure you'd like American Vampire actually. It's not the most amazing comic ever but it always looks great and is reliably entertaining. I think he came up on 2000 AD but not 100% on that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 14, 2012, 06:16:29 PM
I gave 100 Bullets a go, tbh it's pretty clunky, and it reminds me of Prison Break for some reason.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 14, 2012, 06:18:41 PM
I'm pretty much just waiting for Brubaker to complete Fatale, which has been excellent so far, but not as good as Crime stories or Incognito/Sleeper.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on October 15, 2012, 12:16:28 AM
no more Phoenix ever.


:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 15, 2012, 04:53:23 AM
http://www.factmag.com/2012/10/12/rza-signs-up-to-direct-adaption-of-grant-morrisons-happy/

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With his directorial debut and accompanying soundtrack due out in the next few weeks, the RZA is striking while the iron is hot. According to The Hollywood Reporter, he has signed up to adapt Grant Morrison’s latest comic, Happy!.

Happy! debuted just last month via Image Comics, featuring art by industry vet Darick Robertson. It centers a corrupt ex-cop and hit man who, after a hit goes bad, is suddenly able to see Happy, “a cheerful little blue horse who won’t give in to adversity, no matter what unpleasant obstacles are in the way.” It has been described as a mix between It’s a Wonderful Life, Sin City and Care Bears.

RZA will co-produce with Reginald Hudlin, the director of House Party and former president of BET; the pair announced a partnership at this year’s Comic-Con.

Morrison will write the script. He is best known for his acclaimed runs on various Batman, Superman, and X-Men titles, and he has been awarded the honor of Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire by Her Majesty the Queen for his services to literature.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2012, 06:00:29 PM
The only stuff i've read is Joe the Barbarian (with Grant Morrison), which was disappointing, and a great American Vampire spin-off mini. Pretty sure you'd like American Vampire actually. It's not the most amazing comic ever but it always looks great and is reliably entertaining. I think he came up on 2000 AD but not 100% on that.
Yeah, I'm reading Joe the Barbarian right now; I had high hopes, but I am not amused at having dropped hardcover money on this.

no more Phoenix ever.


:rofl

:teehee
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 15, 2012, 06:03:49 PM
I gave 100 Bullets a go, tbh it's pretty clunky, and it reminds me of Prison Break for some reason.

how far did you get into it? it starts of pretty pulpy with the individual stories, but it starts to kick up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on October 15, 2012, 07:52:44 PM
I uh, bought all of 100 Bullets in a comixology sale and haven't read a word of it. And in the interim, I've discovered via Wonder Woman that Azzarello's writing style irritates the FUCK out of me.  :fbm
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 04:07:56 PM
My copy of Batman: Odyssey should be arriving today via Based Amazon Prime. Is it as insane as I've been led to believe? Because every panel I've seen of it looks like pure LSD-in-my-eyeballs insane, and I've seen quite a few panels from it.

(http://i.imgur.com/C5iOQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/pjh8F.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/gA6MK.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on October 16, 2012, 04:45:32 PM
http://hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/

what in the hell?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 16, 2012, 05:33:40 PM
http://hoodedutilitarian.com/2012/09/speaking-power-to-stupid-the-ever-dumb-green-lantern-comics-of-geoff-johns/

what in the hell?

He's the godammed Geoff Johns, that's what.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 17, 2012, 03:30:46 PM
So if I want to get back into X-men now, what are the ongoing series? And which ones should I actually read?
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Post by: bork on October 17, 2012, 04:41:04 PM
So if I want to get back into X-men now, what are the ongoing series? And which ones should I actually read?

With Marvel Now starting up, who the hell knows?   :lol

I think Wolverine And The X-Men will remain an on-going series, but some of the others are going to be canceled and restarted with new books.

Check out Uncanny X-Force.  It's also about to end, but it's completely self-contained and worth the read.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 17, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
Oh so Uncanny X-force is about to end. I went to the local comic shop today and actually picked up some of that. Seemed pretty good.

I'll try to dive into some back issues in the coming months. Avengers Vs X-men sounds kind of cool.

I basically stopped reading after Grant Morrison left, so I'm going to be lost, but some of the status quo changes sound cool. I really liked where they took Cyclops after he came back, so I really want to dig into whats been going on in the X-men recently and where they are going.

Also picked up Uncanny Avengers. Seemed ok. The idea of Havok leading sounds as dumb as ever, but whatever.
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Post by: bork on October 17, 2012, 06:00:59 PM
Avengers Vs. X-Men dragged on and a lot of it just felt like filler.  The various Avengers and X books associated with it generally had more interesting storylines.

Also Uncanny Avengers is a direct continuation of AvX...I would have waited to read that.

IIRC X-Force is getting restarted as two separate books.  One is the next version of the team in Uncanny (led by Psylocke now) and the other is an "outlaw" team led by a returning Cable.

A recent book that started is "The First X-Men," drawn by crazy ol' Neal Adams.  It's more retcon crap that makes it so that the very first team of mutants was led by Wolverine and Sabertooth, because Wolverine needed to be on yet another team.  Magneto and Xavier are in and are kind of dicks. 

There is also going to be another New X-Men book, which brings back the original five X-Men...literally.  Beast goes back in time and brings them into the future.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 17, 2012, 07:39:07 PM
After a while, you can just pick the ones by the writer(s) who you like. At the start, faced with all those books and all those creators you aren't familiar with, it must be fucking baffling.

I haven't tried the X-Men since Brian Wood came on. I tried one issue of his mini-series with Quentin Quire, didn't like it much. I like the occasional thing he does (like Conan now) but never really for anything he does on the books, I think.

I've really liked Wolverine and the X-men (or WAX as i call it) and Uncanny X-Force. I'd be more tempted to try Remender's Uncanny Avengers than the spin-off UXF books though. I can't remember who's writing those (Sam Humphries?) - my impression was I would probably given the first issues a shot but wasn't wildly excited about 'em.
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Post by: chronovore on October 18, 2012, 02:42:25 AM
After a while, you can just pick the ones by the writer(s) who you like. At the start, faced with all those books and all those creators you aren't familiar with, it must be fucking baffling.

I haven't tried the X-Men since Brian Wood came on. I tried one issue of his mini-series with Quentin Quire, didn't like it much. I like the occasional thing he does (like Conan now) but never really for anything he does on the books, I think.

I've really liked Wolverine and the X-men (or WAX as i call it) and Uncanny X-Force. I'd be more tempted to try Remender's Uncanny Avengers than the spin-off UXF books though. I can't remember who's writing those (Sam Humphries?) - my impression was I would probably given the first issues a shot but wasn't wildly excited about 'em.

What the fuck?

Quinton is also back from the dead?

I am sad that Morrison can create new characters to create interest and empathy with the readers, so that when they die there is legitimate sadness even though the standard comic book status quo is maintained... only to have Marvel bring them back anyway! MAN.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 18, 2012, 02:44:08 AM
Marvel erased most of Morrison's changes basically the next month

:bow Hawkeye 3 :bow2

Everyone should read Hawkeye, just a beautiful, fun, stylish comic
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 18, 2012, 02:51:20 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A5eFAzeCYAIfvQ1.jpg:large)
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 18, 2012, 03:58:37 PM
I gave 100 Bullets a go, tbh it's pretty clunky, and it reminds me of Prison Break for some reason.

how far did you get into it? it starts of pretty pulpy with the individual stories, but it starts to kick up.
I've just reached the 'Croatoa' bit, and yep it's getting better, still something seems off. Like that Grant Morrison guy.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 18, 2012, 03:59:08 PM
Also great art in Cherry.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 19, 2012, 05:38:42 PM
Actually it's about a guy who uses a bow and arrow.

I accidentally bought Alan Moore and his wife's porn journey. It's a chunky ass HB, and after a cursory flip through, it seems really into doggy style. It's basically a reactionary coffee-table book.
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Post by: Eric P on October 20, 2012, 08:44:17 AM
lost girls is horrible
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Post by: Eric P on October 20, 2012, 08:44:39 AM
it's an overserious pretentious tijuana bible
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Post by: chronovore on October 21, 2012, 01:08:15 PM
Actually it's about a guy who uses a bow and arrow.

I accidentally bought Alan Moore and his wife's porn journey. It's a chunky ass HB, and after a cursory flip through, it seems really into doggy style. It's basically a reactionary coffee-table book.

How can you accidentally buy a boxed set of oversized hardcover books that weigh 5 kilograms? Was it in the checkout line's "impulse buy" area, next to the tabloids?
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 24, 2012, 04:41:39 PM
Yes it was. But I also actually wanted to buy it, and I hope I never have to read it. It's actually in between various gardening and cookbooks on a shelf atm.

On the flip I bought all of Incognito in one nice HB, it's great, and damn Sean Philips and the Aja, I'm guessing one aped the others drawing style in a more than little way.
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Post by: Eric P on October 24, 2012, 04:49:19 PM
Justice League Dark is mediocre but i can't tell if it's the artist's fault or Milligan's fault or if it's just a failing of both.  My guess is that the first volume is just an overall failure.  I understand it gets better, but man it was disappointing.
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Post by: chronovore on October 24, 2012, 04:55:46 PM
Yes it was. But I also actually wanted to buy it, and I hope I never have to read it. It's actually in between various gardening and cookbooks on a shelf atm.

On the flip I bought all of Incognito in one nice HB, it's great, and damn Sean Philips and the Aja, I'm guessing one aped the others drawing style in a more than little way.

So it's between the other ho's and hot dishes?
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 24, 2012, 05:01:48 PM
My black neighbour, who's black, cracked that joke once so I hit them over the head with a spade.

Who's laughing now Troshalla Denelia?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 24, 2012, 05:28:02 PM
My black neighbour, who's black, cracked that joke once so I hit them over the head with a spade.

(http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/135/sw50sw8sw578.gif)
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 24, 2012, 07:03:21 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/qlM9J.jpg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 24, 2012, 08:27:51 PM
Justice League Dark is mediocre but i can't tell if it's the artist's fault or Milligan's fault or if it's just a failing of both.  My guess is that the first volume is just an overall failure.  I understand it gets better, but man it was disappointing.

it's a fuckin' hot mess is what it is. The art is distractingly based on Poser (Mike Deodato does this now too) but it's basically just a pile of shit. I check in on it now and again just in case but it never fails to disappoint.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 25, 2012, 01:36:31 AM
So I read all of Avengers Vs X-men.

Did the Avengers not read anything about the Phoenix after the Dark Phoenix saga?
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Post by: Eric P on October 25, 2012, 08:56:03 AM
Justice League Dark is mediocre but i can't tell if it's the artist's fault or Milligan's fault or if it's just a failing of both.  My guess is that the first volume is just an overall failure.  I understand it gets better, but man it was disappointing.

it's a fuckin' hot mess is what it is. The art is distractingly based on Poser (Mike Deodato does this now too) but it's basically just a pile of shit. I check in on it now and again just in case but it never fails to disappoint.

well ok!  I'll just stop reading it.  thankfully these volumes are super cheap through amazon so it's not like i'm missing out on much.

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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 25, 2012, 11:48:11 AM
I'd be waaaay more tempted to try to catch up on Milligan's Hellblazer run, which i keep hearing is good (like the awesome 'Silence!' podcast from the Mindless Ones, for example).

And hey! Why not shout out to a few more comics podcasts -

Wait, What? (from the savagecritics site)
Comic Books are Burning in Hell (the artsy TCJ crowd - Joe McCullough, Tucker Stone, Matt Seneca, Chris Mautner - usually very focused and punchy)
Eleven O'Clock Comics
iFanboy Pick of the Week - just a good round up of mostly cape/Image type books but they all know their indie stuff as well

Any other good ones I missed?
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Post by: Eric P on October 25, 2012, 12:29:46 PM
i don't listen to comics podcasts so i can't help you there unfortunately

i do need to pick up the hellblazer books.  love that character
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Post by: bork on October 25, 2012, 12:50:07 PM
Justice League Dark is mediocre but i can't tell if it's the artist's fault or Milligan's fault or if it's just a failing of both.  My guess is that the first volume is just an overall failure.  I understand it gets better, but man it was disappointing.

it's a fuckin' hot mess is what it is. The art is distractingly based on Poser (Mike Deodato does this now too) but it's basically just a pile of shit. I check in on it now and again just in case but it never fails to disappoint.

well ok!  I'll just stop reading it.  thankfully these volumes are super cheap through amazon so it's not like i'm missing out on much.

I thought Justice League Dark got a new creative team and a bit of a mini-reboot recently.  Not true?
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Post by: ManaByte on October 26, 2012, 01:29:22 AM
So I read all of Avengers Vs X-men.

Did the Avengers not read anything about the Phoenix after the Dark Phoenix saga?

It's Bendis.

He seems to have a big problem keeping up with continuity outside his own head. That caused some big annoyances in AvX if you read any of the other books. I really like Wolverine & the X-Men as Wolverine at the original Xavier school with students wasn't as annoying a dick Cyclops leading his school on Utopia. In one issue of Wolverine & the X-Men, Wolverine is walking with Hope while he's going over things in his head and remembering how he had to kill Jean to stop Phoenix and debating whether or not to kill Hope for the same reason. By the end of the issue, right before he and Hope get to the moon, he decides that he may be the best at what he does but he's not going to kill a kid. It was a really cool bit of actual character development for Wolverine, and then dumbass Bendis completely ignored it in his next issue of AvX when they're on the moon and Wolvie's like "Gotta kill the bitch!"
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Post by: ManaByte on October 26, 2012, 01:37:52 AM
Avengers Vs. X-Men dragged on and a lot of it just felt like filler.  The various Avengers and X books associated with it generally had more interesting storylines.

Also Uncanny Avengers is a direct continuation of AvX...I would have waited to read that.

IIRC X-Force is getting restarted as two separate books.  One is the next version of the team in Uncanny (led by Psylocke now) and the other is an "outlaw" team led by a returning Cable.

A recent book that started is "The First X-Men," drawn by crazy ol' Neal Adams.  It's more retcon crap that makes it so that the very first team of mutants was led by Wolverine and Sabertooth, because Wolverine needed to be on yet another team.  Magneto and Xavier are in and are kind of dicks. 

There is also going to be another New X-Men book, which brings back the original five X-Men...literally.  Beast goes back in time and brings them into the future.

First X-Men is a limited series. I think five issues. But it probably won't be as insane as Batman Odyssey.

All New X-Men is the new Marvel NOW! X-Men on-going. It's written by Bendis and has the original X-Men team from the 60's transported to present day.

X-Men Legacy, Wolverine & the X-Men, Uncanny X-Force all are being relaunched. Cable and the X-Force is the new book.

Uncanny X-Men is apparently due to come back in late January or February.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2012, 06:04:45 PM
Batman: Odyssey raises a lot of questions during it's run, but perhaps the most salient are "What does this line of dialogue mean?", "What's going on in this panel?", and "Which panel is even supposed to come next?" Sadly, those are the questions that are never answered.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 07:25:26 PM
It's like if Plan 9 from Outer Space were shot by Roger Deakins
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Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2012, 07:50:12 PM
Does anyone else read Mind The Gap?  I'm about halfway through the first volume and it's kind of neat.  It's more like a TV pitch than a comic, but the story is still fairly well told.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on October 31, 2012, 08:10:37 PM
give us the elevator pitch then. All I know is it's from image and you're the first person to say something nice about it
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Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2012, 08:35:59 PM
i'm only half way through this first volume (let me tell you, Image selling first volumes for $9.99 USD is fucking brilliant.  A full story arc on the cheap is a great intro and it's not like the 3 issue Transmet $10 intro volume) so my opinion could change radically. 

basically a woman is attacked and is put into a coma.  in the coma she exists in this shared space where people who are in comas can interact with each other.  this woman finds a way to inhabit and animate the bodies of the dead or the bodies of people who are also in comas but she cannot inhabit her own body (otherwise, you know, story over).  so she is bouncing around while trying to figure out the "rules" of this existence while some one she knows goes around and basically tries to do....something. Lots of set up of various pieces.

It's very "soap opera with light fantasy elements" and I could come to loathe it if it doesn't find its grove by the end of the first arc but so far i'm still reading it so that's got to be a somewhat good sign.


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Post by: bork on November 01, 2012, 09:47:34 AM
I'm afraid to ask, but what happened to Spawn?

Todd McFarlene.
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Post by: chronovore on November 01, 2012, 12:13:30 PM
I'm afraid to ask, but what happened to Spawn?

Todd McFarlene.

Looks like it's still being created; it's hard to know from the wikipedia entry, for sure. Spawn #227 is the last search to return cover image hit results. The wiki page says the series peaked in 1997 with the movie's release, and no-one is clamoring for "citation needed," so it MUST BE TRUE.

Shit series. Image comics are largely as disappointing as DreamWorks, in terms of a new entity being created to encourage shaking up the scene, and instead only making more of the same-old, same-old.
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Post by: bork on November 01, 2012, 12:46:09 PM
AFAIK Al Simmons' story was finished up and some other dude became Spawn.  McFarlene himself seemed to have lost interest in it years ago and went on to create some supernatural-looking Spider-Man rip-off called "Haunt."
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Post by: chronovore on November 01, 2012, 12:53:58 PM
AFAIK Al Simmons' story was finished up and some other dude became Spawn.  McFarlene himself seemed to have lost interest in it years ago and went on to create some supernatural-looking Spider-Man rip-off called "Haunt."

:rofl

Oh, Jesus. What a one-trick pony.
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Post by: bork on November 01, 2012, 01:54:04 PM
Seriously, Todd?

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33541/1095615-haunt_comic_cover_001a_cl_super.jpg)

Looks like he only half worked on the book and then lost interest after less than two years:
Quote
Created by Todd McFarlane and Robert Kirkman, the series debuted on October 7, 2009.[1] The comic was originally written by Kirkman with pencils by Ryan Ottley, layouts by Greg Capullo, and inks by McFarlane.[2] Joe Casey and Nathan Fox took over as the book's creative team as of Haunt #19.[3]
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2012, 01:59:07 PM
I'm afraid to ask, but what happened to Spawn?

Todd McFarlene.

Looks like it's still being created; it's hard to know from the wikipedia entry, for sure. Spawn #227 is the last search to return cover image hit results. The wiki page says the series peaked in 1997 with the movie's release, and no-one is clamoring for "citation needed," so it MUST BE TRUE.

Shit series. Image comics are largely as disappointing as DreamWorks, in terms of a new entity being created to encourage shaking up the scene, and instead only making more of the same-old, same-old.

I saw this recently in the comic store and I laughed.

(http://i.imgur.com/1k9hQ.jpg)
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Post by: parallax on November 01, 2012, 01:59:26 PM
Seriously, Todd?

(http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/3/33541/1095615-haunt_comic_cover_001a_cl_super.jpg)

Looks like he only half worked on the book and then lost interest after less than two years:
Quote
Created by Todd McFarlane and Robert Kirkman, the series debuted on October 7, 2009.[1] The comic was originally written by Kirkman with pencils by Ryan Ottley, layouts by Greg Capullo, and inks by McFarlane.[2] Joe Casey and Nathan Fox took over as the book's creative team as of Haunt #19.[3]

its kirkman and mcfarlane. two of the most overrated people in comics today.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 01, 2012, 02:06:22 PM
Jizz-Man :(
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Post by: chronovore on November 01, 2012, 02:26:56 PM
Yes, as I googled the Spawn issue numbers to see if it had run past 200, as I reached the more recent issues, all of the covers are homages to major comics out there. Desperate attention-grabbing move? Stab at relevancy? McFarlane enacting cargo-cult-like rituals to improve sales?
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Post by: bork on November 01, 2012, 02:54:30 PM
Nothing's changed.

(http://www.eyeoncomics.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/spideyspawn.jpg)

 :P
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Post by: chronovore on November 01, 2012, 10:19:24 PM
Actually, him aping his own stuff is OK with me. It's the misguided comparisons to comics which historically mattered which offend me.  :P
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on November 02, 2012, 06:17:38 PM
I actually have a few of those first Mcfralne Spider-Man comics. The art is pretty awful.

As opposed to the Brew and Bake Brubaker. Thanks to the dude who suggested Daredevil Brubaker, it's seriously great, and the art again is just awesome. Basically Brubaker is the USA's Alan Moore (when he was being consistent and non-weird; Promethea is still probably his creative peak) in the sense that he seems now to have the leisure of choice.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 04, 2012, 01:13:25 PM
So I've been succsefuly getting back into X-men and have actually picked up most of Uncanny X-force. Except for the Captain Britain arc it's been great.

But I wan't to read more then just X-men.

So since I've always liked the art I've been picking up Batwoman, which has been solid. A comic book store near me has all of it since the New 52 thing and I just need to pick up Elegy to get up to date.

But my question is what other New 52 series have been good? Batman Incorporated? Yeah Grant Morrison is good, but I need to pick up RIP and all his other stuff before I start picking that up. So yeah what other New 52 series have been good?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 04, 2012, 06:37:48 PM
Batman
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 02:46:54 PM
I was working my way through THE NEW 52™ trades, but then I got sidetracked a few months ago and stopped, but now I'm ready to pick it back up. Let's see, so far I've read:

- Batman: Court of Owls (Good)
- Detective Comics: Faces of Death (Good)
- Batwoman: Hydrology (Good)
- Animal Man: The Hunt (Good)
- Wonder Woman (P. Good)
- Green Lantern: Sinsestro (LOL)
- Justice League: Origins (LOL)
- Red Lanterns: Blood and Rage (Boring)
- Stormwatch (Boring)

Read Green Lantern Corps: Fearsome today. It was better than Green Lantern because it didn't have Hal Jordan being all angsty because Sinestro has a power ring and he doesn't (which is a pretty lulzy situation), Corps started off with some pretty doofy scenes of Guy Gardner trying to get a job as a high school football coach and then being like "Well, hmmm I don't know if we want a Green Lantern coaching our kids..." but then it got going pretty quick with some outer spaces battles and planetary annihilation. Ultimately though, there was really only one or two issues worth of story here, padded out to 7 for the trade.
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Post by: Eric P on November 05, 2012, 04:53:29 PM
Quote
Chopping Block: Another round of New 52 cancellations this month. Say goodbye to Frankenstein, Agent of S.H.A.D.E. (#16), Grifter (#16), Blue Beetle (#16), and Legion Lost (#16).

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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 05, 2012, 05:17:25 PM
Also why is DC so horrible at naming superheroes for the most part. The Blue Beetle and Black Canary? Seriously?

Blue Beetle first appeared in Fox Comics' Mystery Men Comics in 1939.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 05:38:24 PM
Quote
Chopping Block: Another round of New 52 cancellations this month. Say goodbye to Frankenstein, Agent of S.H.A.D.E. (#16), Grifter (#16), Blue Beetle (#16), and Legion Lost (#16).

Hard to be surprised about any of those. Frankenstein was supposed to be pretty good though, right?
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Post by: Eric P on November 05, 2012, 06:18:01 PM
i liked the first half of the trade but then it kind of fell apart.  it could have been awesome, i think, if it found its way but i don't know that it did in the time it had.  it obviously wasn't able to turn quirk into sales.
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Post by: bork on November 05, 2012, 07:38:40 PM
ah ok then, my bad. Doesn't change the fact that it's a stupid name.

Is it really any worse than "Superman" and "Wonder Woman?"   :P
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Post by: Cormacaroni on November 05, 2012, 08:12:24 PM
I was pondering on 'Birds of Prey' the other day - the only 'birds' involved are a canary and a starling, not the most fearsome predators of the sky you could find really
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 05, 2012, 08:13:36 PM
ah ok then, my bad. Doesn't change the fact that it's a stupid name.

Is it really any worse than "Superman" and "Wonder Woman?"   :P

I dunno, Superman is alright since he is the template and it's a generic name that fits. But yeah Wonder Woman does sound horrible now that you mention it.

Power Girl > *
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 08, 2012, 01:27:02 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/kq5t6.jpg)

Almost gets me interested in reading comics again.

ALMOST.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 08, 2012, 02:59:22 PM
Action Comics Vol. 1: Superman and the Men of Steel was pretty awesome. Morrison did a good job of covering the Superman origin story without it just being the 5000th retelling of the Superman origin story. Obviously DC wants to keep all the key elements intact so there's not a lot of curveballs here (the main one being that Ma and Pa Kent are both dead) but Morrison covered the all the old basics in a few short flashbacks and then got to the point. The first arc had a bit of Occupy Wall Street to it, with Superman/Clark Kent going after this billionaire dude that was screwing over Metropolis and Superman turning into a bit of an angry vigilante. Then Brainiac shows up and that kind of goes out the window, but it was still a solid start.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 04, 2012, 08:37:03 AM
Is anyone reading Spider-Man? 

The big ASM finale started with #698-
spoiler (click to show/hide)
turns out that Doctor Octopus has taken over Spider-Man's body and has access to all of his memories.   :o  I just can't see him being the "Superior Spider-Man" character, but maybe Peter gets a new body somehow and takes on a new civilian identity.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 04, 2012, 09:06:38 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was thinking it would be a Horizon Labs tech-powered normal dude in a suit for a while. Max probably knows his secret by now and has all the gear handy to make a 'superior' version of Spidey. And hey that stuff always sells a few new toys and figurines. This new wrinkle could mean it could maybe even be Peter in a different body or something. Enjoying the ride.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 15, 2012, 09:34:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/8AZVx.jpg)

i see
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 15, 2012, 10:15:36 PM
I cannot unsee
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 15, 2012, 10:26:53 PM
not sure if want
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 15, 2012, 11:25:25 PM
The face thing is really, really dumb. I can't get over it. Someone thought that was a good idea.

How about a story where the Joker kidnaps some random kid and brainwashes him into being his son?  You know, he's kind of jealous that Batman has a kid now, so he snatches up some pampered rich teen and fucks his brain up good, even going so far as to mutilate him to look like his "Dad." They could even get into some darker territory where you discover he's been trying to knock up Harley for years, and even succeeded a few times, but Harley always took a morning after pill or got an abortion before he found out because even though she's fucked up she's not fucked up enough to let him get his hands on a baby.

Anyway, Joker eventually regrets creating his own son, because it turns out the kid is a "better" Joker than he is - you know, actually funny and clever, brings in more money, doesn't arbitrarily kill the henchmen so they like him better, has charmed Harley into being a mother figure, etc. So of course Joker wants to kill him now. Now Batman's got two Jokers warring with each other and destroying large chunks of Gotham in the process.

As for stories with lasting impact...

You don't see the title of the story until the end, because that's been the kid's plan all along, to show up "Dad," to humiliate him and crush all his criminal enterprises, to get Harley on his side to the point she lets her guard down so he can publicly kill the one thing Joker gives a teeny bit of a shit about right in front of him,  all as payback for having his face/mind wrecked.

"Did You Hear The One About The Matricide?"

Now that's a Batman related role I could buy Joseph Gordon-Levitt in
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 18, 2012, 03:44:03 PM
Amazing Spider-Man #700 "leaked" and was scanned.  Apparently the follow-up comic to it also got scanned early.  Check the comics forum on 4chan...I'm sure a link is still there.

No real surprises here...it follows what started in #698, so that storyline was not a red herring of any kind-
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spider-Man, in Doc Ock's dying body, makes a last-ditch effort to swap bodies and fails- Doc Ock in Spider-Man's body was prepared for the real Spider-Man to try switching bodies again and armored his head.  However Spider-Man's mind switch attempt does beam all of the good and bad events that defined him as a hero into Ock's mind, and he becomes "good."  Spider-Ock, dying, then makes Ock-Spider promise to protect his loved ones and blah blah blah.  It's kind of dull, really.  They also set it up for some characters to be suspicious.  I hope this leads to Ock-Spider turning bad later on and the Marvel Universe has to deal with an evil Spider-Man, leading to the inevitable return of the real Spider-Man, because right now it's less "The Superior Spider-Man" and more "The Slightly Different, Kind Of A Dick, But Trying To Be Good Spider-Man"
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 18, 2012, 04:07:59 PM
oh.

ok then.

also i read Think Tank which panders to the worst nerd wish-fulfillments ever
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 18, 2012, 04:17:38 PM
ASM writer Dan Slott has also been receiving death threats.   :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 18, 2012, 04:25:49 PM
jesus christ nerds.

gods help.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 18, 2012, 07:49:48 PM
oh.

ok then.

also i read Think Tank which panders to the worst nerd wish-fulfillments ever

I haven't read many of Image's latest round of movie pitches, but Blackacre has a lot of potential I think. Has some Fallout/Judge Dredd/Max Max/Escape from NY type action going on, with some interesting worldbuilding.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 18, 2012, 11:13:16 PM
because it's not his, it's 'theirs'

Slott is a weird person for the fanboys to go after - he's almost too much of a fanboy to put Spidey through the wringer the way he really should be (i.e. the way the character works best as a story engine). Instead, he is gradually becoming a Mary Sue - learning kung-fu, getting all these cool Batman gadgets so he can meet any threat, getting rich and recognized as a scientific genius, recognized by his peers in the Avengers/FF, still a chick magnet, no longer has to deal with Aunt May etc...I think all that stuff is fun but it's dangerously close to fan-fic. Long-term, the book is probably better in the hands of someone not quite so in love with the character. (and this is not to say that Spidey hasn't gone through some shit under Slott - of course he has, it's a cape comic. Just noting a general trend).

Anyway, let's get real - i haven't read the spoilers above but there is no scenario in which Peter Parker will not be Spider-man for an extended period no matter what happens in 700
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 18, 2012, 11:23:20 PM
Cormac, read the spoilers.   :P 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 01:16:27 AM
i've waited this long, i'll read the actual story.

Having read comics for 35 years, there is literally NOTHING that could possibly happen that could not conceivably be reversed in a couple of panels (or more likely these days, a 12 issue maxiseries with 3 tie-ins). Actually getting mad or upset about it is crazy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2012, 02:44:32 AM
Amazing Spider-Man #700 "leaked" and was scanned.  Apparently the follow-up comic to it also got scanned early.  Check the comics forum on 4chan...I'm sure a link is still there.

No real surprises here...it follows what started in #698, so that storyline was not a red herring of any kind-
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spider-Man, in Doc Ock's dying body, makes a last-ditch effort to swap bodies and fails- Doc Ock in Spider-Man's body was prepared for the real Spider-Man to try switching bodies again and armored his head.  However Spider-Man's mind switch attempt does beam all of the good and bad events that defined him as a hero into Ock's mind, and he becomes "good."  Spider-Ock, dying, then makes Ock-Spider promise to protect his loved ones and blah blah blah.  It's kind of dull, really.  They also set it up for some characters to be suspicious.  I hope this leads to Ock-Spider turning bad later on and the Marvel Universe has to deal with an evil Spider-Man, leading to the inevitable return of the real Spider-Man, because right now it's less "The Superior Spider-Man" and more "The Slightly Different, Kind Of A Dick, But Trying To Be Good Spider-Man"
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hahahaha
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 19, 2012, 10:03:16 AM
i've waited this long, i'll read the actual story.

Having read comics for 35 years, there is literally NOTHING that could possibly happen that could not conceivably be reversed in a couple of panels (or more likely these days, a 12 issue maxiseries with 3 tie-ins). Actually getting mad or upset about it is crazy.

Oh definitely, I agree with that.  There's several ways they could approach what happened and easily "fix" it.  If nothing else, this storyline will last until 2014 when the next Spider-Man movie comes out.

I also think it's just overkill to get rid of Peter Parker as Spider-Man when they've already done this (permanently!)  in Ultimate Spider-Man.

Yeah, this one's too crazy to stick.  Not like undoing the marriage or w/e.

I dunno, I stopped reading Spider-Man after One More Day.  It made the whole thing feel like a pointless waste of time and money to know such massive changes could be wreaked in such a flimsy way.  It just really bothers me that these guys are, for the most part, just going to yell and scream at ol' Dan but not do what they should do if they dislike it so much (stop buying the damn thing).

I stopped reading Spider-Man when they replaced Peter Parker with his clone.  Read a few issues here and there but never really got back into the series again until this past year.  Was not a fan of the Peter/MJ split but at least they kept that going...even when they tried to shake things up by having Peter reveal that he was Spider-Man to the world several years ago, that too got quickly "fixed" by a Dr. Strange spell IIRC. LOL if they do the same to end the Superior storyline.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2012, 12:12:29 PM
Batman has been pretty good lately, caught up on 14/15 yesterday and it's getting crazay. Still kind of feel uneasy about Jason just bopping along with the rest of the yuppies, he was a pretty good antihero foil before. Otherwise, Snyder can do no wrong. :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on December 19, 2012, 02:02:06 PM
Do those Spider-Man changes even matter? Isn't Marvel going to be doing a universe reboot like the new 52 with Marvel Now anyways?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2012, 03:27:48 PM
Do those Spider-Man changes even matter? Isn't Marvel going to be doing a universe reboot like the new 52 with Marvel Now anyways?

I thought they already did it?

Something I don't like about Marvel is how inconsistent they are. "Let's do digital before DC!" "OK, but let's support three third-party services in addition to our own, and have varying content between them!" And certain series are Marvel Now but some aren't.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 19, 2012, 04:46:40 PM
Do those Spider-Man changes even matter? Isn't Marvel going to be doing a universe reboot like the new 52 with Marvel Now anyways?

Nah, for better or worse, Marvel tries to avoid actual continuity reboots in favour of half-assed retcons.  Marvel Now isn't even that.  It's just a bunch of new #1s.with rejiggered creative teams in the wake of the A vs X storyline.

I like this more than the full-on reboot crap that DC does.  All the comics being re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-numbered to #1, then back to #304, then back to #1 again is pretty stupid, however.

The new comics are mostly focused on the Avengers and X-Men related books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2012, 06:26:02 PM
Yeah, this one's too crazy to stick.  Not like undoing the marriage or w/e.

I dunno, I stopped reading Spider-Man after One More Day.  It made the whole thing feel like a pointless waste of time and money to know such massive changes could be wreaked in such a flimsy way.  It just really bothers me that these guys are, for the most part, just going to yell and scream at ol' Dan but not do what they should do if they dislike it so much (stop buying the damn thing).

so you missed this

(http://i.imgur.com/P6uAz.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 19, 2012, 06:31:46 PM
What the hell has been going on in comics recently?

the last thing i paid attention to was the One More Day shit they did with Spiderman, Miles Morales in Ultimate spiderman (Comic GAF was salty for weeks  :lol :lol :lol) and that Massive DC Reboot after Flashpoint ended.

Listened to Giantbomb saying that Cyclops is evil now or something?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2012, 06:39:08 PM
CYCLOPS WAS RIGHT

about being a complete douche

Or so I read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2012, 06:49:54 PM
Basically, read up on X-Men Schism. The X-Men are weak, and they're attacked by anti-mutant people. Cyclops thinks the kids training there should fight and defend themselves. Wolverine thinks that they fight so that the kids don't have to. It creates a schism and Wolverine and Cyclops have this badass fight in the rain and shit, and Cyclops rails on Wolvie's ass, and then Wolverine fucks up Cyclops' shit. Then they go their ways, Cyclops has his X-Men team and Wolverine starts up his own X-Men team in the abandoned Xavier institute in New York.

Hijinks ensue.

Dunno haven't read in a while. I should catch up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on December 19, 2012, 09:36:18 PM
Basically, read up on X-Men Schism. The X-Men are weak, and they're attacked by anti-mutant people. Cyclops thinks the kids training there should fight and defend themselves. Wolverine thinks that they fight so that the kids don't have to. It creates a schism and Wolverine and Cyclops have this badass fight in the rain and shit, and Cyclops rails on Wolvie's ass, and then Wolverine fucks up Cyclops' shit. Then they go their ways, Cyclops has his X-Men team and Wolverine starts up his own X-Men team in the abandoned Xavier institute in New York.

Hijinks ensue.

Dunno haven't read in a while. I should catch up.

So it finally happened with those two, eh (i thought the Jean/Emma shit would have done that long ago)

Might check this out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 19, 2012, 11:13:30 PM
Do those Spider-Man changes even matter? Isn't Marvel going to be doing a universe reboot like the new 52 with Marvel Now anyways?

I thought they already did it?

Something I don't like about Marvel is how inconsistent they are. "Let's do digital before DC!" "OK, but let's support three third-party services in addition to our own, and have varying content between them!" And certain series are Marvel Now but some aren't.

marvel now isnt a full line reboot, or any sort of reboot at all. same stuff still applies from beforehand
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2012, 11:21:43 PM
Basically, read up on X-Men Schism. The X-Men are weak, and they're attacked by anti-mutant people. Cyclops thinks the kids training there should fight and defend themselves. Wolverine thinks that they fight so that the kids don't have to. It creates a schism and Wolverine and Cyclops have this badass fight in the rain and shit, and Cyclops rails on Wolvie's ass, and then Wolverine fucks up Cyclops' shit. Then they go their ways, Cyclops has his X-Men team and Wolverine starts up his own X-Men team in the abandoned Xavier institute in New York.

Hijinks ensue.

Dunno haven't read in a while. I should catch up.

So it finally happened with those two, eh (i thought the Jean/Emma shit would have done that long ago)

Might check this out.

Now there are two titles Wolverine and the X-Men and regular Uncanny X-Men (Cyclops).

Schism is pretty baller. Check it if you like X-Men.

(http://i.imgur.com/OGAZE.jpg)

Plus...

(http://i.imgur.com/b9tqQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 19, 2012, 11:25:59 PM
Really don't like Schism or Jason Arron's work on the X-men in general. Just couldn't buy Wolvie and Cyclops fighting, nor can i buy the direction Wolvie has been going.

Uncanny X-Force is where it's at, but sadly it just ended with a rather strange ending.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2012, 11:30:41 PM
Wolverine's got a poor sell for sure. Cyclops has the right of it; mutants in the present timeline are almost extinct, and in order to protect mutantkind kids are gonna have to pull their own weight. The cause of the schism is stupid, but the drama that unfolds is money, I think. Then again I'm an X-slut.

Also, X-Factor > X-Force
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 19, 2012, 11:35:25 PM
Really don't like Schism or Jason Arron's work on the X-men in general. Just couldn't buy Wolvie and Cyclops fighting, nor can i buy the direction Wolvie has been going.

why dont you buy the wolverine going peacemaker thing?

Wolverine's got a poor sell for sure. Cyclops has the right of it; mutants in the present timeline are almost extinct, and in order to protect mutantkind kids are gonna have to pull their own weight. The cause of the schism is stupid, but the drama that unfolds is money, I think. Then again I'm an X-slut.

you must be an x-slut if you liked schism
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2012, 11:36:18 PM
SCHISM WAS NOT BAD

okay?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 19, 2012, 11:42:42 PM
SCHISM WAS NOT BAD

okay?

...yeah it was. and it also made me realize that i hate when they nerf logan so hes more even with his opponents.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 19, 2012, 11:44:10 PM
You're a Wolverine slut, eh?

Slut.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 19, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
You're a Wolverine slut, eh?

Slut.

not so much of a slut, but the happy birthday mini has made me a fan. not so much of his attitude with daken though. but i can also point out when hes being a dick, so theres that as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 19, 2012, 11:55:08 PM
well the Daken thing has been cleared right up
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 20, 2012, 12:15:41 AM
You're a Wolverine slut, eh?

Slut.

I am, but I really don't like how he became the main focus of the X-Men franchise(which isn't the point of X-Men imo) about as much as I hate how my favorite supervillain, The Joker, is the center of fucking attention every fucking time he shows up.

this i agree with. so many characters have too much spotlight that it becomes ridiculous
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 20, 2012, 12:56:50 AM
Really don't like Schism or Jason Arron's work on the X-men in general. Just couldn't buy Wolvie and Cyclops fighting, nor can i buy the direction Wolvie has been going.

why dont you buy the wolverine going peacemaker thing?


I'm no expert, but I'll try.

To me Wolvierine should be right with Scott on training the young X-men to defend themselves. I can buy Wolvie caring for the young kids, because he's always had a soft spot. He's a mentor, the wise more street smart then book smart gruff man is his character. I buy him as a man that's trying to be a noble person, but at the end of the day he knows what has to be done and is willing to get his hands dirty. He rather get his hands dirty then anyone else in his family. So in a sense I can understand why Wolvie would not want the young X-men to fight ,because thats what he and other X-men are supposed to be doing. But to me, it seems like he would understand whats at stake and these kids need to defend himself.

Schism seemed to be triggered around Scott using the kids to fight the Sentinel and Oya killing the attacking Hellfire people. The thing about Oya is to me, I wouldn't really see Wolvie being truly upset with it. She did what she had to do. I kind of found the whole thing contrived. I actually think Oya is a really stupid character now, which is a shame because at first I liked her. She seems to be written like she's more of an idiot then just aloof and blunt. Wolvie seemed to mostly be upset that Oya wasn't fazed by what she did, which I guess is cause for concern, but I don't see how that's really the X-men's fault. Scott is trying to protect whats left of humanity and it's really shown that he should and if that means becoming more militant then that's what has to be done. X-Force has shown that Wolvie understands that. While he didn't like what Fantomex did when he shot kid Apocalypse, he didn't remove Fantomex. No, he understood why he did it.  In the end I would have thought Wolvie would have stayed with the X-men. it's his family and that's whats most important to him.

As for the Sentinel attack. To me it was again "well desperate times call for desperate measures". This is the X-men, teens being in dangerous stuff comes with the territory. It's like you've been around so long, Wolvie why does it bother you now? Didn't you bring a teenage girl with you to Genosha, were they were enslaving mutants?

But you know, then comes Avengers Vs X-men and well All-New X-men. In a lot of the material, how much he hates Cyclops is played up. I don't get it. I thought he respected Cyclops, well it seems Bendis doesn't think so. In ReGenesis it was seen what was going on was just a disagreement and both sides peacefully went and carried out their agenda. In All New you have teen Jean reading Wolvie's mind and saying "oh he hates you Cyclops and wants to kill you". In AvX you have Wolvie mentioning how crazy and dangerous Cyclops is. It was just a disagreement about how the X-men were going. It's like I just don't get it.

They have worked side by side, they are almost great partners. I think I would say they are almost friends. I mean Wolvie is basicly the first one to pick up on the fact that after returning, Cyclops is not the straight shooter he has always been. He knows Cyclops very well and completly trusts him. I just don't think thier split should portrayed as so hate filled, which in some comics it is.

But I don't know. I do know I don't like Wolvierne and the X-men as a comic. Wolvie is'nt a leader to me. He's a trusted soldier and adviser. The ultimate support dude. Honestly, I really liked the early Carey run with Rogue as a leader, but that has nothing to do with what I'm saying. But I don't like this comic, because the tone just isn't for me. It's just a little too wacky.

But I also don't like the characters.

Quire-I really liked him in New X-men. He was the smart nerd lashing out at authority. Right in some ways, but still so young that he couldnt get the whole picture. It was a good storyline. Now he's just an annoying brat. I just don't like what Arron has done with him.

Oya-At first I kind of liked her, but she just seems so dumb.

Genisis-Eh he seems pretty one note. I get it your not very confident and you could go nuclear.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 01:55:59 AM
Hawkeye 6 :bow2

David Aja - my favorite artist working in mainstream books by a country mile

Matt Fraction - working on a dumb, simple story actually seems to suit his otherwise trying-too-hard style

It won't last too long, but enjoy it while it does.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on December 20, 2012, 08:10:56 PM
Morrison's run on X-Men had QQ leaving this plane of existence... peacefully and permanently. Is he back and ruined now, like Xorn?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 08:33:10 PM
Of course he is. I wouldn't say 'ruined' though, given that there is nothing further that could have been done with him in that state. Ditto Magneto/Xorn etc. Weirdly Jean Grey is still dead though. Probably because no-one wants the grief.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 20, 2012, 08:33:40 PM
anyway quit fretting about fictional continuity and read Hawkeye nerdz
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 22, 2012, 03:04:38 AM
Fantastic Four #57-60 is pretty hard to top
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 22, 2012, 11:00:48 AM
DC's new Batgirl editor fires Gail Simone after they butt heads.

Simone cries on Twitter and her legion flips the fuck out and threatens to storm DC's offices.

DC rehires her 10 minutes before closing the offices for Christmas break.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on December 22, 2012, 11:44:03 AM
spun like a true misogynist comics fan
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 22, 2012, 10:40:33 PM
DC's new Batgirl editor fires Gail Simone after they butt heads.

Simone cries on Twitter and her legion flips the fuck out and threatens to storm DC's offices.

DC rehires her 10 minutes before closing the offices for Christmas break.

Secret Six and Birds of Prey are awesome, so fuck DC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 22, 2012, 10:46:14 PM
lol manabyte
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 23, 2012, 12:38:21 AM
DC's new Batgirl editor fires Gail Simone after they butt heads.

Simone cries on Twitter and her legion flips the fuck out and threatens to storm DC's offices.

DC rehires her 10 minutes before closing the offices for Christmas break.

Secret Six and Birds of Prey are awesome, so fuck DC.
Are they? I've been trying to figure out what DC New 52 comics have been good and the opinion has been mixed on everything it seems.

I've only been following Justice League Dark and Batwoman myself. I liked Dark after Miligan left and well Batwoman has nice art and stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 23, 2012, 12:44:10 AM
Demon Knights is coo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 23, 2012, 12:45:21 AM
Secret Six and her run on Birds of Prey was pre-52, but they're still good. I haven't read her New 52 Batgirl yet, but it's in the queue.

My recommendations for New 52 stuff is pretty boring so far: Batman, Detective Comics, and Action Comics have been my favorites.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 23, 2012, 01:18:00 AM
Yeah everyone seems to agree that Batman is great and well yeah I want to try and get into it. I've been wanting to read Grant Morrison's Batman stuff for a while as well. It's just the DC universe kind of scares me. I don't really know where to begin which I guess is the point of the New 52. I guess you just have to jump in. I mean I just kind of picked up Batwoman and Justice League Dark because i thought "what the hell".
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 23, 2012, 08:59:10 PM
Morrison's Batman is the foundation for the current New 52 Batman, so it's a pretty good starting place. It's also crazy as hell though, with a lot of Silver Age allusions and stuff that just doesn't make a lot of sense. Read it, but don't worry too much if you don't know what's going on. :lol

Also, if you liked Batwoman, you should read Batwoman: Elegy. It's pre-New 52 but, like most of the Bat-titles, it's still in continuity and it's a lot better than Hydrology. Greg Rucka is a better writer than JHW III.

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/519rmLGib6L.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 25, 2012, 08:05:28 PM
DC's new Batgirl editor fires Gail Simone after they butt heads.

Simone cries on Twitter and her legion flips the fuck out and threatens to storm DC's offices.

DC rehires her 10 minutes before closing the offices for Christmas break.

Secret Six and Birds of Prey are awesome, so fuck DC.
Are they? I've been trying to figure out what DC New 52 comics have been good and the opinion has been mixed on everything it seems.

I've only been following Justice League Dark and Batwoman myself. I liked Dark after Miligan left and well Batwoman has nice art and stuff.

Go and get Scott Synder's entire run on Batman right now. First 12 issues is the Court of the Owls stuff, which was awesome. Issue 13 was a filler issue, but Snyder says that character will be in more stories next year, and then issue 14 begins the current AWESOME Joker story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2012, 10:04:46 PM
No, 13 began the Joker story. #0 was in between 12 and 13 and was a side-story that expanded on a character from the first or second issue that seemed to randomly come out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 26, 2012, 10:19:48 AM
I was one off. #12 was the filler. #0 was the prequel like all the other #0s. #12 was the Harper Row issue.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 26, 2012, 11:31:18 AM
SCHISM WAS NOT BAD

okay?

...yeah it was. and it also made me realize that i hate when they nerf logan so hes more even with his opponents.

Yup, Schism sucked.  Too much dumb filler.  But that's old hat now anyway.  AvX happened and made Schism completely irrelevant- most of the mutants are back together again, but you have Cyclops and a few others on the run plus Cable and a few others also on the run.  Then you have the original five X-Men in the present time period with past Cyclops wondering how he turned into an old-school Magneto wannabe.

well the Daken thing has been cleared right up

Has it?  Daken killed himself in the last issue of his own book.  Wolverine mourned him and moved on.  Daken re-appeared with no explanation given in UXF and dies again.  Wolverine mourned him and moved on.  I expect to see him back again at some point...just like how Sabertooth died and came back for the umpteenth time recently.  Romulus too.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 26, 2012, 10:01:50 PM
Dan Slott bitch slapped by Stan Lee:
https://twitter.com/TheRealStanLee/status/284092188672020480
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2012, 10:18:46 PM
Hoo boy, yeah, he really slapped that guy down, just look at all that venom just dripping from his fangs, never seen a beating that savage before in my whole life.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 26, 2012, 10:19:38 PM
Dan Slott bitch slapped by Stan Lee:
https://twitter.com/TheRealStanLee/status/284092188672020480

Quote
Dan Slott ‏@DanSlott
@TheRealStanLee HA! Printing that out now. THAT'S goin' up on the fridge! I am NEVER taking that down!!!! :-D

stan lee ‏@TheRealStanLee
@DanSlott at lest you'll have a good price of writing in your house. Ha. Keep up the amazingly spectacular work you always do!

 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 26, 2012, 10:26:39 PM
DC's new Batgirl editor fires Gail Simone after they butt heads.

Simone cries on Twitter and her legion flips the fuck out and threatens to storm DC's offices.

DC rehires her 10 minutes before closing the offices for Christmas break.

Secret Six and Birds of Prey are awesome, so fuck DC.
Are they? I've been trying to figure out what DC New 52 comics have been good and the opinion has been mixed on everything it seems.

I've only been following Justice League Dark and Batwoman myself. I liked Dark after Miligan left and well Batwoman has nice art and stuff.

Go and get Scott Synder's entire run on Batman right now. First 12 issues is the Court of the Owls stuff, which was awesome. Issue 13 was a filler issue, but Snyder says that character will be in more stories next year, and then issue 14 begins the current AWESOME Joker story.
Can I just follow Batman and be fine? Do I have to pick up more of the Bat family books?

And I picked up Batwoman Elegy today. Seems better then her ongoing so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 26, 2012, 10:42:43 PM
I haven't read it yet but Stan Lee has a piece in Amazing #700 so I highly doubt any bitch-slapping was intended.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2012, 11:37:33 PM
I haven't read it yet but Stan Lee has a piece in Amazing #700 so I highly doubt any bitch-slapping was intended.

Read the other Tweets, it's obvious he was just having some fun with it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 27, 2012, 08:23:59 AM
DC's new Batgirl editor fires Gail Simone after they butt heads.

Simone cries on Twitter and her legion flips the fuck out and threatens to storm DC's offices.

DC rehires her 10 minutes before closing the offices for Christmas break.

Secret Six and Birds of Prey are awesome, so fuck DC.
Are they? I've been trying to figure out what DC New 52 comics have been good and the opinion has been mixed on everything it seems.

I've only been following Justice League Dark and Batwoman myself. I liked Dark after Miligan left and well Batwoman has nice art and stuff.

Go and get Scott Synder's entire run on Batman right now. First 12 issues is the Court of the Owls stuff, which was awesome. Issue 13 was a filler issue, but Snyder says that character will be in more stories next year, and then issue 14 begins the current AWESOME Joker story.
Can I just follow Batman and be fine? Do I have to pick up more of the Bat family books?

And I picked up Batwoman Elegy today. Seems better then her ongoing so far.

The main Joker story is mostly being told in Batman. The Death of the Family stuff in the other Bat books is just how they deal with the Joker being back. Snyder's story is contained within Batman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2012, 10:22:44 AM
Fantastic Four #57-60 is pretty hard to top

On it.

Well? True story - I read 57-59 as a kid, but never got 60 and never knew how it ended until I got the re-issued Marvel Masterworks TPB of it this summer :lol  I remember being TERRIFIED by Doom's rampage

And #60 was AWESOME. If you don't like that, you don't like Jack Kirby
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 27, 2012, 10:57:48 PM
Issues 1-5 of the new Cyber Force are free thanks to Kickstarter:
http://www.comixology.com/Cyberforce-2012/comics-series/9358

I'll download free comics for some Silvestri art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 27, 2012, 11:24:52 PM
I only found 58 for some reason, and I'm refusing to read until I find the others. And yes I'm trying to find it for free cause of money issues.

send me your email, i have scans of all that shit too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2012, 11:40:04 PM
Comics piracy. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 28, 2012, 12:01:15 AM
Comics piracy. :lol

Marvel and DC hired some of the big scanners to scan their old shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 28, 2012, 01:26:47 AM
I have the digital codes for X-men stuff if anyone wants some. Avx, recent X-men stuff..
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on December 28, 2012, 01:28:59 AM
I have AVX, but what other X-Men do you have?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 28, 2012, 01:33:19 AM
I have AVX, but what other X-Men do you have?
Well as I'm sure you know some of the issues come with the codes. I don't have an ipad and well I buy the physical copies because I dont like reading them digitally.

So anyway I have the codes for All New X-men, Uncanny Avengers, Cable and X-Force, and whatever issues of Uncanny X-men, X-men, Uncanny X-Force, and Wolverine and X-men had them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 28, 2012, 11:00:11 AM
So apparently Peter Parker is dead and Doc Ock lives in his body? where is that Picard pic?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2012, 11:07:07 AM
gawd people, the Status Quo Restoration button could not be more obvious for this one, do not panic. Peter's body and brain still live - what was imprinted on Doc Ock's body was just a copy. You could undo this crap in 3 panels if you felt like it, like in a 70's Marvel Team-Up fill-in by Bill Mantlo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on December 28, 2012, 11:22:54 AM
I think it was just some fatherly poking at worst.  But he definitely burned Dan hard there, haha.  Didn't know the old guy still had it in him.

Damn, just saw he turned 90 today
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 28, 2012, 07:47:57 PM
gawd people, the Status Quo Restoration button could not be more obvious for this one, do not panic. Peter's body and brain still live - what was imprinted on Doc Ock's body was just a copy. You could undo this crap in 3 panels if you felt like it, like in a 70's Marvel Team-Up fill-in by Bill Mantlo

No Cormac, this is for real. This is not a dream sequence, they aren't robots.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 28, 2012, 07:58:46 PM
I think it was just some fatherly poking at worst.  But he definitely burned Dan hard there, haha.  Didn't know the old guy still had it in him.

Damn, just saw he turned 90 today

(http://i.imgur.com/p8Plt.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on December 28, 2012, 08:43:41 PM
I think they'll stick with it for a decent length of issues, like they did with Brand New Day/Big Time.  I imagine it will be something like Dark Reign (when Norman Osbourne ran the Avengers, SHIELD and the whole world basically...) in that it lasted for long enough for the initially fresh concept to get throughly played out and for everyone to get truly sick of it. Not that I loved all those books, but I think that was a credibly 'permanent' and significant change to the status quo. Of course, all those toys got put back in the box quite efficiently and it ultimately didn't have much effect. That's all this will be. The crazy accelerated schedule Marvel is on means that they can get up to that 50-or so issue mark in a couple of years though. If you throw in all of Doc-Spidey's appearances in other books (Avengers, Avenging Spider-man and such), it'll feel like FOREVER I bet.

But you know, in the grand scheme of things (50 years of Spidey books) it'll still be an eye-blink. I'm cool with a change once in a while.

I just hope Doc-Peter doesn't try to rekindle the old flames with Aunt May :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on December 28, 2012, 09:02:12 PM
happy bday to Stan Lee :bow

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on December 29, 2012, 09:37:10 AM
I think it was just some fatherly poking at worst.  But he definitely burned Dan hard there, haha.  Didn't know the old guy still had it in him.

Damn, just saw he turned 90 today

(http://i.imgur.com/p8Plt.jpg)

:bow The Generalissimo :bow2

Might he live forever!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 04, 2013, 12:15:24 PM
Comic of the year 2013 on lockdown: http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2013/01/exclusive-fantagraphics-to-publish-inio-asanos-nijigahara-holograph/

(http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/5250-Volume-1-Complete_LPPDE-Holograph_002.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 04, 2013, 12:25:42 PM
Cat-Beast is no more.

All New X-Men #5 introduces the NEW Beast form and wait what the fuck is that!?   :lol

(http://graphicpolicy.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/737627_459621834074444_307869266_o.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on January 04, 2013, 08:45:46 PM
Which one is supposed to be Beast  ??? One on the left looks like the original Hank McCoy, one on the right looks like...I've got nothin'.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 04, 2013, 09:05:56 PM
he looks like a moldy swamp thing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 08, 2013, 03:32:17 AM
In general All New X-men 5 was pretty meh. From the unneeded and lame Beast change to more " I hate Cyclops KILL HIM!" talk from Cyclops. The books been decent, but it's still building up for wherever its going.

Anyway, I have a question? What did everyone think of Y The Last Man? I've been interested in picking up the trades and just wondering what opinions are.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 04:49:50 AM
I read it all as it came out and enjoyed it. It would likely be more fun read in bunches but who knows. The ride is fun, the end is uhhhhh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 08, 2013, 11:57:18 AM
Which one is supposed to be Beast  ??? One on the left looks like the original Hank McCoy, one on the right looks like...I've got nothin'.

Both of them are Beast.  All New X-Men's plot involves the current Beast going back in time to when the original X-Men were younger and bringing them to the present, in the hopes that what they encounter will have them change their ways and convince Cyclops not to turn out how he is now.  So far this has led to
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jean Grey's telepathic powers developing faster than they originally did and the younger Beast saving his future self from dying.
[close]

It seems like this was supposed to be a "scared straight" tactic by Beast, but Jean Grey pushed to have them stay in the present to "fix" everything that's gone wrong.  So she's back.  Sort of.

It's pretty slow-paced, but I guess that's typical of Bendis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 08, 2013, 12:04:08 PM
The ride is fun, the end is uhhhhh

yeah pretty much

i have marathoned Sweet tooth and have come to the conclusion that i just don't like it that much.  love Lemire's Essex County stuff and Underwater Wielder but didn't like ST at all.  It's just too much like every other post-apoc story out there.  The stuff that isn't like The Walking Dead is great (love the Gods stuff) but it's just so infrequent that I cannot recommend it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on January 08, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
Which one is supposed to be Beast  ??? One on the left looks like the original Hank McCoy, one on the right looks like...I've got nothin'.

Both of them are Beast.  All New X-Men's plot involves the current Beast going back in time to when the original X-Men were younger and bringing them to the present, in the hopes that what they encounter will have them change their ways and convince Cyclops not to turn out how he is now.  So far this has led to
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jean Grey's telepathic powers developing faster than they originally did and the younger Beast saving his future self from dying.
[close]

It seems like this was supposed to be a "scared straight" tactic by Beast, but Jean Grey pushed to have them stay in the present to "fix" everything that's gone wrong.  So she's back.  Sort of.

It's pretty slow-paced, but I guess that's typical of Bendis.

I feel like this is dumb and would lead to all kinds of paradoxes/timeline splits/alternate universe shenanigans. But I guess that is kind of Marvel's bread and butter.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 08, 2013, 07:07:17 PM
what you are saying is this is dumb because it could lead to all kinds of stories
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on January 09, 2013, 01:32:25 PM
yes, dumb stories. that is correct.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 09, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
Which one is supposed to be Beast  ??? One on the left looks like the original Hank McCoy, one on the right looks like...I've got nothin'.

Both of them are Beast.  All New X-Men's plot involves the current Beast going back in time to when the original X-Men were younger and bringing them to the present, in the hopes that what they encounter will have them change their ways and convince Cyclops not to turn out how he is now.  So far this has led to
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jean Grey's telepathic powers developing faster than they originally did and the younger Beast saving his future self from dying.
[close]

It seems like this was supposed to be a "scared straight" tactic by Beast, but Jean Grey pushed to have them stay in the present to "fix" everything that's gone wrong.  So she's back.  Sort of.

It's pretty slow-paced, but I guess that's typical of Bendis.

I feel like this is dumb and would lead to all kinds of paradoxes/timeline splits/alternate universe shenanigans. But I guess that is kind of Marvel's bread and butter.

They keep saying that Professor X (in the past) will wipe their minds of everything when they do go back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 09, 2013, 02:43:49 PM
So Superior Spider-Man #1 was scanned and released early, just like ASM #700 and Avenging Spider-Man #15 were.

AND GUESS WHO'S ALREADY BACK!?   :lol

So several times in Avenging #15 and Superior #1 Otto-Spider-Man's body has reacted on its own, doing heroic stuff that Otto wouldn't. 

Is it the memories from Peter Parker or the responsibility-factor taking over? 

NOPE!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The ghost of Peter Parker appears on the last page and says that he has been with Otto since he died in Ock's body.  He is making Otto do stuff against his will, indicating that he still has some control over his own body and that he is going to keep fighting to get his body back.  So all that hype and build-up about Peter Parker being gone and there being an all-new Spder-Man has already been shot down.  Now it's gonna be Peter Vs. Ock for control of his body- which I might add Marvel ALREADY DID with Bruce Banner and the Hulk in the last Hulk series.   :dizzy
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on January 09, 2013, 03:11:00 PM
So Superior Spider-Man #1 was scanned and released early, just like ASM #700 and Avenging Spider-Man #15 were.

AND GUESS WHO'S ALREADY BACK!?   :lol

So several times in Avenging #15 and Superior #1 Otto-Spider-Man's body has reacted on its own, doing heroic stuff that Otto wouldn't. 

Is it the memories from Peter Parker or the responsibility-factor taking over? 

NOPE!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The ghost of Peter Parker appears on the last page and says that he has been with Otto since he died in Ock's body.  He is making Otto do stuff against his will, indicating that he still has some control over his own body and that he is going to keep fighting to get his body back.  So all that hype and build-up about Peter Parker being gone and there being an all-new Spder-Man has already been shot down.  Now it's gonna be Peter Vs. Ock for control of his body- which I might add Marvel ALREADY DID with Bruce Banner and the Hulk in the last Hulk series.   :dizzy
[close]

Wait they killed Peter in the mainstream timeline also  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

How are the fans coping (some on GAF were going ape shit when they killed the Ultimate universe version)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 09, 2013, 03:24:43 PM
Yup, they killed off Peter Parker in the 616 universe...sorta.  From a page or two back:

Amazing Spider-Man #700 "leaked" and was scanned.  Apparently the follow-up comic to it also got scanned early.  Check the comics forum on 4chan...I'm sure a link is still there.

No real surprises here...it follows what started in #698, so that storyline was not a red herring of any kind-
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spider-Man, in Doc Ock's dying body, makes a last-ditch effort to swap bodies and fails- Doc Ock in Spider-Man's body was prepared for the real Spider-Man to try switching bodies again and armored his head.  However Spider-Man's mind switch attempt does beam all of the good and bad events that defined him as a hero into Ock's mind, and he becomes "good."  Spider-Ock, dying, then makes Ock-Spider promise to protect his loved ones and blah blah blah.  It's kind of dull, really.  They also set it up for some characters to be suspicious.  I hope this leads to Ock-Spider turning bad later on and the Marvel Universe has to deal with an evil Spider-Man, leading to the inevitable return of the real Spider-Man, because right now it's less "The Superior Spider-Man" and more "The Slightly Different, Kind Of A Dick, But Trying To Be Good Spider-Man"
[close]

ASM writer Dan Slott has also been receiving death threats.   :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 10, 2013, 04:03:19 AM
Which one is supposed to be Beast  ??? One on the left looks like the original Hank McCoy, one on the right looks like...I've got nothin'.

Both of them are Beast.  All New X-Men's plot involves the current Beast going back in time to when the original X-Men were younger and bringing them to the present, in the hopes that what they encounter will have them change their ways and convince Cyclops not to turn out how he is now.  So far this has led to
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Jean Grey's telepathic powers developing faster than they originally did and the younger Beast saving his future self from dying.
[close]

It seems like this was supposed to be a "scared straight" tactic by Beast, but Jean Grey pushed to have them stay in the present to "fix" everything that's gone wrong.  So she's back.  Sort of.

It's pretty slow-paced, but I guess that's typical of Bendis.

I feel like this is dumb and would lead to all kinds of paradoxes/timeline splits/alternate universe shenanigans. But I guess that is kind of Marvel's bread and butter.

They keep saying that Professor X (in the past) will wipe their minds of everything when they do go back.

Thats just gonna give Scott more fuel to hate the prof in the future.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2013, 08:23:26 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/P1ioC.jpg)

Also, Josh Simmon's The Furry Trap is some of the absolute most fucked up shit I have ever ever ever read.

Some of the strangest mind-altering transgressive stuff ever.  Takes the Prison Pit ultraviolence and adds meaning behind the content giving the images even more power.  The BEST thing in the book is a 6 page book called Jesus Christ which is about the return of a god to world full of worshipers.  The weakest story is the first story which is like Adventure Time for the mentally disturbed only with more rape.  If I'm inspired later I may take some photos of it and upload it here.  I can't tell if it's worth reading or not, but the book is labeled Horror Stories, and they are absolutely horrific but mostly tread in EXTREME SHOCK rather than any sort of low key content, however the low key tales are no less affecting (such as the incredibly fucked Demonwood).  Proceed at your own risk.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2013, 08:29:02 AM
I have only read his Batman story and it still gives me the creeps thinking about it, been on the fence about getting the book TBH
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2013, 08:37:03 AM
it is the least disturbing thing in the book which should be an indicator of what you'd be dealing with
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 13, 2013, 08:38:30 AM
it is full of stuff that White Man would have used to torture PD back in the day
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 13, 2013, 10:29:10 AM
I don't if it was ever mentioned in here but I thought The Nao of Brown was my favorite comic/graphic novel of 2012. It's odd I didn't see it on any Best of- lists, it's so good.

http://www.selfmadehero.com/title.php?isbn=9781906838423&show=slides#

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8331/8377000754_fa8cf702b4.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 13, 2013, 07:56:40 PM
I have it right here, plan on reading it next after I get done with the Nexus Omnibus from Dark Horse which fucking rocks :rock

The ONLY way to read Nexus is right from the beginning. I did it wrong, I see my failure now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 17, 2013, 04:46:23 AM
Another quick question from me.

Where's a good place to start if I want to read some Hellblazer. I've enjoyed Constantine in Justice League Dark, but I'm sure the actual Vertigo series is better. So just find some collected editions and start at the beginning? Any particular runs or storylines that are standout? Was Mike Carey's run good? I enjoyed his X-men stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 05:16:25 AM
lots of great runs, mostly by British writers...Garth Ennis, Peter Milligan, Jamie Delano....I have a great fondness for the Ennis stuff. It's as good a place to start as any. The continuity isn't all that important since his supporting cast tends to get wiped out a lot :lol

The series is ending at 300, so I'm sure some Hellblazer geeks will put up articles re the best runs around then...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 17, 2013, 07:45:07 AM
hellblazer is amazing and was for years (decades, really) my favorite comic book.

Jamie Delano is the first writer and did a lot of social commentary and straight up horror.  I enjoyed this run.

The Ennis stuff is the stuff I started with and so it's kind of like Bond in that the one you start with is your favorite. Many good stories there.

I didn't like the warren ellis stuff.

I liked Mike Carey's stuff but i also think that Lucifer is a WAY underrated masterpiece of urban fantasy

I haven't read much of the Diggle or Milligan runs so I can't comment there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hellblazer has good synopsis of the runs.  as Cormac says, just jump in wherever sounds interesting and you should be good. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 07:46:58 PM
co-sign

Yeah, you can't overstate Lucifer's greatness IMHO. It towers over basically everything in the Vertigo oeuvre except maybe Preacher, and it's a more ambitious and better-executed story than that. Epic story, huge scope, massively inventive, thematically challenging. NEED TO FIND TIME TO REREAD

OK, i'll throw out something that is getting NO attention but deserves it. Jennifer Blood, by Al Ewing and <the shittiest artist in the world>. Ewing took over this extremely unpromising 'What if the Punisher was a housewife' package from Garth Ennis, and has turned it into something extraordinary and genuinely unpredictable. It feels dangerous, like it could end explosively at any time. The downside: horrible good-girl covers, terrible shat-out interior art, vile coloring. But the story and the writing is fantastic; sharp, funny, with a wonderful ear for dialog. It would be criminal to spoil it, but I feel like the whole thing went off the rails about 6 months ago and may never get back on them. It might be ending next month for all I know. It just feels like anything could happen at this point.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 17, 2013, 08:57:41 PM
I guess I'll check out Lucifer as well. Really liked Mike Carey's run on X-men.

But yeah first I'm going to try Y The Last Man. I really enjoyed Saga Vol 1, so so far Vaughan has me interested in trying out his other stuff.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 08:59:31 PM
Lucifer is massively better than his capey stuff, and 'Y'. But no reason why you can't read both. Carey's 'Unwritten' is good stuff as well, and occasionally reaches 'great'.
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Post by: Eric P on January 17, 2013, 09:02:55 PM
personally couldn't get into Unwritten
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 17, 2013, 09:09:39 PM
it meanders a bit for sure but there have been some fantastic moments. Probably best read in trade.
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Post by: bork on January 17, 2013, 11:03:33 PM
OK, i'll throw out something that is getting NO attention but deserves it. Jennifer Blood, by Al Ewing and <the shittiest artist in the world>. Ewing took over this extremely unpromising 'What if the Punisher was a housewife' package from Garth Ennis, and has turned it into something extraordinary and genuinely unpredictable. It feels dangerous, like it could end explosively at any time. The downside: horrible good-girl covers, terrible shat-out interior art, vile coloring. But the story and the writing is fantastic; sharp, funny, with a wonderful ear for dialog. It would be criminal to spoil it, but I feel like the whole thing went off the rails about 6 months ago and may never get back on them. It might be ending next month for all I know. It just feels like anything could happen at this point.

I've read all of this and I agree with you.  Mostly awful art, but the story has kept me hooked.  There's also a prequel series that started a few months ago, focusing on Jennifer when she started out, plus a Ninjettes spin-off.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 12:50:52 AM
little theory of mine on what is under that serving dome the Joker is showing off in Batman 16 -

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I think it’s going to be Bruce Wayne’s alleged brother from Court of the Owls – a family member (if his story is true) and someone who usurped Batman’s attention while the Joker was gone. A few other things in the dialog hint at it too. Obviously the serving dish is a pretty strong hint that it IS Alfred but I think that’s misdirection. Let’s face it, it’d be much easier to kill off a character they just invented rather than a key piece of the mythology than Alfred
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I haven't re-read the issues recently but I think that fits thematically.
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Post by: Eric P on January 18, 2013, 10:41:38 AM
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/01/17/rob-liefeld-godyssey-movie-optioned/

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He may have seemingly burned bridges at both Marvel and DC in recent years, but there's no reason to feel sorry for Rob Liefeld just yet. Not only are his creator-owned titles undergoing new critical appraisal thanks to last year's Image relaunch, but now he has a new project in development for the big screen. Is the world really ready for a Godyssey movie?



Variety reported earlier this week that producers Todd Garner and Brooklyn Weaver have signed up the movie rights to Liefeld's 1996 one-shot (Originally a spin-off from Liefeld's Avengelyene and Glory titles), with plans to develop the idea into a fully-fledged stand-alone movie. Both producers already had relationships with the comic book creator thanks to other projects; Garner had tried to buy Liefeld's 2003 sci-fi comedy pitch Planet Terry (Unrelated to the Marvel comic of the same name), while Weaver is currently attached to the in-development movie incarnation of the creator's Bloodstrike character.

If you're despairing about what this means for the future of modern culture, it's worth remembering that deals like this don't necessarily translate into finished movies (For instance, it's nine years later and we still haven't seen that Planet Terry movie yet). For those who remember Godyssey and also value cinema as a medium, this is a fact to desperately cling to; for everyone else, here's a taste of what you missed:

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Post by: parallax on January 18, 2013, 10:48:18 AM
little theory of mine on what is under that serving dome the Joker is showing off in Batman 16 -

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I think it’s going to be Bruce Wayne’s alleged brother from Court of the Owls – a family member (if his story is true) and someone who usurped Batman’s attention while the Joker was gone. A few other things in the dialog hint at it too. Obviously the serving dish is a pretty strong hint that it IS Alfred but I think that’s misdirection. Let’s face it, it’d be much easier to kill off a character they just invented rather than a key piece of the mythology than Alfred
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I haven't re-read the issues recently but I think that fits thematically.

ill be disappointed if true( well im sure ill be disappointed with whatever outcome). he has potential to be a decent rival like character. that and i would love to see a to counter the bat family.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/01/17/rob-liefeld-godyssey-movie-optioned/

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He may have seemingly burned bridges at both Marvel and DC in recent years, but there's no reason to feel sorry for Rob Liefeld just yet. Not only are his creator-owned titles undergoing new critical appraisal thanks to last year's Image relaunch, but now he has a new project in development for the big screen. Is the world really ready for a Godyssey movie?



Variety reported earlier this week that producers Todd Garner and Brooklyn Weaver have signed up the movie rights to Liefeld's 1996 one-shot (Originally a spin-off from Liefeld's Avengelyene and Glory titles), with plans to develop the idea into a fully-fledged stand-alone movie. Both producers already had relationships with the comic book creator thanks to other projects; Garner had tried to buy Liefeld's 2003 sci-fi comedy pitch Planet Terry (Unrelated to the Marvel comic of the same name), while Weaver is currently attached to the in-development movie incarnation of the creator's Bloodstrike character.

If you're despairing about what this means for the future of modern culture, it's worth remembering that deals like this don't necessarily translate into finished movies (For instance, it's nine years later and we still haven't seen that Planet Terry movie yet). For those who remember Godyssey and also value cinema as a medium, this is a fact to desperately cling to; for everyone else, here's a taste of what you missed:


lolfeld cant stop, wont stop i guess.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 07:39:35 PM
re: Death of the Family - Well, it's hard to imagine anything not feeling cheap after it's all been built up like this...it feels so calculated and inorganic.
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That said, the Talons would presumably still survive as an organization so it could still be mined for stories (there is actually a Talon series now...). I really haven't seen any theories beyond it being Alfred though, just wanted some fun discussion
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btw, that Nexus Omnibus is the BOMB. $14 on amazon for 400 pages of sci-fi awesome. Also available digitally on the Dark Horse app or their web store. I actually collected it in issues back in the day (along with Badger :heart) but never quite got it because reading a synopsis of all the set-up is just not the same as actually reading it, I think. It's so much more accessible and enjoyable if you just read it from the start. I'd say it's of interest to readers of Saga, albeit more cerebral and dense. And the art, oh my god. In the early issues he is still finding his style, so he shifts from Alex Toth to Steve Ditko to Alex Raymond to Kirby to Paul Gulacy even inside the same panel. And when he settles on his own style it is just sublime. :bow Steve Rude :bow2  14 BUCKS PEOPLE
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 18, 2013, 07:43:25 PM
Why didn't you guys tell me about Amethyst: Princess of Gemworld (http://www.amazon.com/Showcase-Presents-Amethyst-Princess-Gemworld/dp/1401236774) Omnibus!
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2013, 08:15:37 PM
:bow First Comics :bow2

greatly missed comic company, excellent stable of titles
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 08:29:46 PM
Valiant is the new First btw - Archer & Armstrong, Harbinger and (especially) Bloodshot are all surprisingly excellent. comixology had all the 1st issues free, may still do...i got hooked
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 18, 2013, 08:32:28 PM
I liked most of the old Valiant stuff. Have they changed much about it, or is it pretty much a continuation?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 18, 2013, 08:48:59 PM
i have no idea, never read the originals. Not sure whether it's a retelling or a reinvention. It's not a continuation as far as I can tell, everything seems to start at ground zero
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Post by: Eric P on January 19, 2013, 07:35:26 AM
total redo from what few issues i've read

same base concepts but more or less updated

Archer and Amrstrong is hilariously excellent
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 19, 2013, 07:36:45 AM
yes but Bloodshot right? right?!
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Post by: Eric P on January 19, 2013, 10:20:52 AM
i really only liked the first wave.  solar, magnus, xo, harbinger etc.  Never really got into Turok or Bloodshot originally so i don't really have much in the way of curiosity on that front
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 20, 2013, 02:35:21 AM
I picked up what I assume(well duh it says number 1) is the first HellBlazer collection. Seems pretty good. The bookstore had random collections as well, but it seems best to start with the first.

I also picked up All Star Superman. Been wanting to read this since I like Grant Morrison and Frank Quintly back from reading X-men. I'm hoping this is just as good. I do want to ask you guys what other Morrison stuff I should read, but I won't be able to get to any recommendations soon since Y The Last Man is my buying priority.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 20, 2013, 05:01:25 AM
Flex Mentallo: Man of Muscle Mystery!

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 20, 2013, 05:43:52 AM
We3 is probably the most accessible of the Morrison/Quitely collaborations, Flex is probably the least so. It is amazing though.

Invisibles is his defining work but it's a fucking project. For sheer fun, nothing beats his JLA stuff (there are nice oversized hardcover collections of these, which include the Quitely Earth 2 stuff). Batman Inc is the best of his current work by far, and Chris Burnham's art should be in your wheelhouse if you like Quitely.

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Post by: Eric P on January 20, 2013, 07:21:14 AM
I will second everything cormac said
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Post by: chronovore on January 21, 2013, 03:53:45 AM
I picked up what I assume(well duh it says number 1) is the first HellBlazer collection. Seems pretty good. The bookstore had random collections as well, but it seems best to start with the first.

I also picked up All Star Superman. Been wanting to read this since I like Grant Morrison and Frank Quintly back from reading X-men. I'm hoping this is just as good. I do want to ask you guys what other Morrison stuff I should read, but I won't be able to get to any recommendations soon since Y The Last Man is my buying priority.

All-Star Superman renewed my respect for Morrison as a writer. His sensitivity to the mythos and tone of Superman were really surprising. I am not a fan of Supes, but Morrison somehow channeled all the goofy, fun, outrageous crap from my childhood love of the character, and revitalized it into something an adult can enjoy.
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Post by: Eric P on January 23, 2013, 09:13:56 AM
http://www.qualityjollity.com/Properties.html

Kyle Baker has put up a lot of his comics to read for free
FOR FREE

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Post by: bork on January 23, 2013, 10:08:02 AM
Has anyone read the French comic series Lanfeust Of Troy?  I just finished all eight books and really enjoyed it.  Going through Cixi Of Troy now and will then move onto Lanfeust Of The Stars.  There are several spin-off/prequel series out there too.  Not sure if this is available for purchase anywhere, but scanned translations are floating around.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on January 23, 2013, 10:16:49 AM
READ THE COWBOY WALLY SHOW RIGHT NOW

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 23, 2013, 03:14:18 PM
FREE KYLE BAKER is the only comics news anyone should be talking about today
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Post by: Tasty on January 23, 2013, 03:31:40 PM
Caught up on Batman and B&R. Getting cray.
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Post by: MrAngryFace on January 23, 2013, 08:36:14 PM
Alls I need is Batwoman- so good
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 30, 2013, 09:18:33 PM
Was at the Half Priced Books and while I missed the Excalibur(1st series) 1-20 for $20 bundle they had, they had a complete 7 Soldiers bundle for $25. I see it's by Grant Morrison with 2 issues drawn by the guy who does Batwoman. Is this worth picking up? I see it's a crossover that has people like Zatana who I've read before and I think's pretty cool, but yeah my DC knowledge is pretty nil.

I also picked up all of Nextwave. it was very funny.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 09:20:23 PM
Seven Soldiers is great - bit complex but you can still enjoy the individual stories without having to get too far into continuity OCD
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 30, 2013, 09:42:08 PM
Well I got the internet to help with any misunderstandings. Next time I'm there and if it's still there I'll pick it up.

Other then that I decided to pick up Saga in single issues, just can't wait for the next trade. Really enjoying it, even got my mom to read some of it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 30, 2013, 09:51:43 PM
there are some great wikis on SS (I think from barbelith.com, now defunct), plus various articles by the Mindless Ones, Douglas Wolk etc
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 31, 2013, 01:38:32 PM
Seven Soldiers was really good. It's not heavily tied into continuity and most of the characters in it are obscure, rarely-used characters, or characters Morrison made up for the series.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on January 31, 2013, 02:50:40 PM
Seven Soldiers is great, all of its major continuity is internal.

It MIGHT help to brush up a bit on Kirby's New Gods for the Mister Miracle section - it works without it, but you'll get a lot more if you do a 10-minute Wiki refresher on the major players.

P.S. Chop Suzi is mai waifu

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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 08:45:26 PM
The 2nd volume of Kamandi may be even more god-like than the first. It is so very very odd and stuffed with amazement
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 09:15:41 PM
told ya

Then again, he has ambition and is a fantastic artist...I'm pretty sure he'll do something great eventually.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 09:38:03 PM
Did you ever check out Habibi? He seems to have done his Arabic research in spades but I am no judge
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 09:45:09 PM
I think it's absurd in this day and age to print some garbage in another language, really. It just suggests to me that the dude is trying to speak to Arabic culture but doesn't have a single Facebook friend or whatever to reach out to in order to check his script. I see the most bizarre shit written in pseudo-Japanese all the time - the still they released from 'The Wolverine' had some wacko mistake too. You'd think somewhere in the $100 million budget they'd find $10 to show it to an actual Japanese person

Yes, Habibi is very good. Problematic in terms of gender treatment/sexualization of children and such for sure but still an amazing piece of work.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on January 31, 2013, 09:57:58 PM
oh yeah, and that is addressed in the text. But he doesn't HAVE to draw endless pages of nude children in sexualized poses, or being the object of lust, or raped etc etc..it's an artistic choice regardless of the milieu he is working in
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Post by: Eric P on February 01, 2013, 07:39:20 AM
oh yeah, and that is addressed in the text. But he doesn't HAVE to draw endless pages of nude children in sexualized poses, or being the object of lust, or raped etc etc..it's an artistic choice regardless of the milieu he is working in

uh
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Post by: ManaByte on February 02, 2013, 10:54:19 AM
Kenneth Rocafort's art in Superman is probably the best the book as seen in a long, long time.

Almost makes me want to go back and read his Red Hood stuff, but then...Jason Todd.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 02, 2013, 09:07:08 PM
Cool, glad you enjoyed it, and the Arabic didn't grate overly. I found the linguistic / mythology stuff fascinating. I read Craig Thompson's travel art diary as well, which shows some of the travelling he did as part of research (or inspiration for) Habibi. It's really good, although there is a fair amount of Live Journal-y self-pity and such in there as well, it being literally a diary...i think it's a lot less formal and easier to read than Blankets or Habibi.

http://www.amazon.com/Carnet-Voyage-Travel-Journal-Shelf/dp/1891830600/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1359857113&sr=8-5&keywords=craig+thompson
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Post by: Eric P on February 04, 2013, 09:07:20 AM
http://www.comixology.com/comics-collection/23?app=1&tid=E130204001&utm_source=comiXology+Digital+Comics+Newsletters&utm_campaign=17a151dbb5-Marvel+Monday+Sale+2%2F4&utm_medium=email

Comixology is having a sale on Squadron Supreme which is basically Marvel's Watchmen.  It's good but overshadowed
Also they have Strikeforce Morituri something i've never actually read

any opinions?
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 04, 2013, 09:45:10 AM
strikeforce morituri is pretty decent from what i remember, nothing really cringeworthy/80s springs to mind
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 04, 2013, 07:18:09 PM
Well I missed out on the 7 Soldiers. Guess I'll just have to pick it up in trades.

Anyway, I was just given this Anomaly graphic novel thing. It's pretty intense looking, but well I've never heard of it. I was given it and well I mean it looks nice and it's the CE and well signed by the author and everything, but is it any good?
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Post by: ManaByte on February 11, 2013, 12:19:29 PM
Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern after he made it so boring no one gives a fuck anymore.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 11, 2013, 04:13:42 PM
Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern after he made it so boring no one gives a fuck anymore.

No one cared about Green Lantern before he got there, so I guess it worked out.
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Post by: bork on February 11, 2013, 04:24:18 PM
Geoff Johns leaving Green Lantern after he made it so boring no one gives a fuck anymore.

Was he behind all the latest Green Lantern crossover events with the guardians being turned evil, or just the regular Green Lantern book?  Cuz yeah, the Simon Baz stuff is ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 11, 2013, 04:32:03 PM
Baz is Johns' creation. He based Baz on himself (no, really).
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Post by: Yeti on February 11, 2013, 07:41:17 PM
What are some recommended trades for Green Lantern? I know hardly anything about the character other than what little I know from the Justice League cartoon. Sinestro Corps war sounded kind of neat, but I think that was Johns?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 07:43:15 PM
there are no recommended trades for Green Lantern
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Post by: Yeti on February 11, 2013, 07:51:09 PM
Thank you. What about the Flash? I know even less about him than Green Lantern.
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Post by: Eric P on February 11, 2013, 08:19:31 PM
dc presents showcase the flash
anything up to and including The Trial of the Flash
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 11, 2013, 08:23:54 PM
Flashpoint

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lol, j/k
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 08:39:29 PM
Green Lantern should be a no-brainer. Space cop with magic wishing ring is a baller concept. Instead though, it seems to have disappeared up the event horizon of it's own internal mythology. I honestly can't think of a single Green Lantern comic i'd actually want someone else to read
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 11, 2013, 08:42:31 PM
I went on a binge of reading old Marvel comics from the 70's over the weekend, and hoooolleeeee shit are the letter cols and Soapboxes fascinating after reading Sean Howe's Marvel: The Untold Story. Who is our Editor-in-Chief? WE DON'T KNOW Who is writing the Avengers now? WE DON'T KNOW, HERE IS A JACK KIRBY REPRINT etc etc

As a kid i just assumed the adult gods who made these things knew what they were doing but ooooohhhhh nooooo. I can't even imagine what modern DC must be like.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 11, 2013, 11:37:33 PM
The DC New 52 vol 1 of The Flash. Manapul/Buccellato are doing awesome stuff with the book right now. The art is amazing.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 12, 2013, 09:41:39 AM
Batman #17...HOLY SHIT
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 12, 2013, 09:44:14 AM
Yeah, the Manapul stuff is decent, love the art

I like the vol. 2 stuff (Wally West) by Mike Baron (:bow), Mark Waid, Messner-Loebs, Grant Morrison etc...tons of good stuff in there
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on February 12, 2013, 01:40:46 PM
What happened?
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Post by: ManaByte on February 12, 2013, 01:43:43 PM
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Sherlock Holmes and Moriarty fought over a waterfall and one fell.
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Post by: bork on February 12, 2013, 01:48:07 PM
What happened?

Manabyte isn't too far off.   :lol

Actual spoilers:

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The issue opens right where Batman #16 ended. The Joker has Batman strapped to an electric chair at the head of a table. On each side of the table sits the members of the family, each with their faces rapped in bloody bandages. The Joker tells Batman that they’ve each been anointed with gasoline and that there’s flint under his chair. So if he tries to bail out, they’ll all die in a fire. He reveals the cover from the dinner, and inside are the faces of each member of the family. Of course this really sets Batman off, but being Batman he has a way out because he’s smarter than the Joker.

It turns out the whole faces being ripped off thing was another Joker prank, and Batman is reunited with the family right before The Joker douses all of them with his gas, which causes the members of the family to start fighting it out with each other as Batman chases the Joker down.

What follows is a Batman/Joker confrontation and dialog that ranks right up there with the two’s final battle in The Dark Knight Returns. I don’t know if it was an intentional Sherlock Holmes reference or not, but they face each other right above a huge waterfall. As Batman is really beginning to get to the Joker and get under his skin, The Joker takes a swan dive off the waterfall as his face flutters in the wind. Capullo’s art in these panels with the Joker falling and his face fluttering off is pretty awesome.

In the end, the family is still together…if a bit scarred. Alfred is saved and Bruce is now the caretaker as he recovers. The whole truth on whether or not The Joker knew Batman’s true identity is dealt with, in a way that is perfect for The Joker.
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If anything truly BIG is going to happen in the Batman books, it's going to be what's coming in Batman, Inc.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 12, 2013, 02:10:31 PM
:lol I wrote that.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 04:02:34 AM
I enjoyed it but an utter cock-tease in terms of status quo changes. Absolutely nothing of significance is different, unless no-one ever wanting to come to dinner at Bruce's again counts
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 04:49:39 AM
mos def

i realize why it's done, including the cocktease marketing and PR lies, but as a story? It's terrible because ultimately nothing of note happens.

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How many people has Batman saved from falling over the years? He couldn't have sorted that shit out and delivered on his promises to the Joker? In his own home? C'mon son
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I really hate nitpicking superhero comics because it is the proverbial breaking a butterfly on a wheel but this one actually seemed like it might have some teeth. But no. Certainly it was very well done though, loved some of the Capullo panels. Genuinely creepy. And Snyder has a good handle on the various voices and so forth. But I think I ultimately preferred the Owls storyline because it actually went somewhere.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 13, 2013, 05:14:01 AM
It's a great story that you can only tell once. That's the fucking rub. What we get instead isn't even good fanservice though, because all the characters are completely ineffectual and toothless

So yeah, go read Hellboy or something where shit gets real on the regular
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Post by: Eric P on February 14, 2013, 04:58:07 AM
new deadwardians was pretty good but there were a few stylistic anachronisms which threw me out of the world

one was a very simple use of the word "sucks" in a protest sign which seemed really vulgar given the time frame and setting, the other was a propaganda poster which stylistically didn't fit the time period either. 

aside from that, rather enjoyable little mystery with a kind of gonzo conclusion
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 14, 2013, 05:15:21 AM
new deadwardians was pretty good but there were a few stylistic anachronisms which threw me out of the world

one was a very simple use of the word "sucks" in a protest sign which seemed really vulgar given the time frame and setting, the other was a propaganda poster which stylistically didn't fit the time period either. 

aside from that, rather enjoyable little mystery with a kind of gonzo conclusion

I read the first couple of issues, made a mental note to check it out when it finished up and the price dropped. Will do so now, thanks for the reminder
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 12:06:24 AM
http://smodcast.com/channels/fatman-on-batman/

Grant Morrison! :drudge

This is the first Kevin Smith podcast i've ever listened to, and he's actually very good at it. Clearly hasn't read any of the Invisibles, but hey. Great stuff from Morrison.
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Post by: Eric P on February 16, 2013, 12:57:45 AM
I listened to the first two guests and got so sick of Kevin Smith's style of geek speak it turned me off. I so t need to have my ear pussy tickled. Just fucking talk instead of pandering to your fan base.
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Post by: Eric P on February 16, 2013, 12:58:07 AM
Don't need. Goddamn autocorrect.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 02:57:56 AM
i can't speak to those eps but the Morrison one is great.
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Post by: Eric P on February 16, 2013, 07:24:22 AM
the ones with mark hamill and paul dini were great and certainly worth a listen because they talked about everything and it was super informative

then he had the person who did harley quinn on and he spent more time talking about her goddamn my little pony voice work.  it sounded like someone was doing a slow release of air from a balloon while kevin smith broneyed up.

i'll take a listen to the grant morrison one
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 08:08:29 AM
ooh, will def. check the Paul Dini one at least. Did you see Chris Sims breakdown to the Batman Animated Series bible? Really good stuff. Sims is not the most sophisticated writer in the world but he is funny and often surprises me with his insight into character and story.

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2009/12/22/the-batman-the-animated-series-writers-guide-is-totally-awesom/
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Post by: ManaByte on February 16, 2013, 09:30:44 AM
The Scott Snyder one is great too. He also did a series with Dini where they do commentary for some Batman: TAS episodes, Mask of the Phantasm, and Return of the Joker.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 16, 2013, 10:21:22 AM
Batman, Inc. #8 cover revealed.

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(http://i.imgur.com/jllamg0.jpg)
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I dunno. Damian is Morrison's creation and he can do it if he wants...but I like Damian.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 10:54:47 AM
Well, he has been cloned already so they have that in their back pocket. plus Bruce never died in RIP...
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Post by: ManaByte on February 16, 2013, 10:56:07 AM
Yea but the clone is fully grown.

I think this is working into DC's plan to get Tim Drake back as Robin. As in the New 52 Red Robin was never Robin to Batman.
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Post by: Yeti on February 16, 2013, 03:13:21 PM
Isn't Red Robin in the New 52 Teen Titans? What's his backstory for that?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 08:18:56 PM
'editors decided he would still exist despite there being no logical reason' is his backstory
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 08:22:29 PM
DC is so horrible these days, so horrible

I wonder if anyone has inventoried how many of the original New 52 are still being published? There was another huge swathe of cancellations recently. I don't know why anybody would give a new book a chance these days. I think I'm down to 3 Batman books and that's it. I actually buy more Valiant books than DC now in fact (Bloodshot, Archer & Armstrong, Harbinger, XO Man of war). I want DC to keep publishing in some form but the books are just so bad. I've stopped even giving new books from them a chance
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 10:15:13 PM
Marvel has plenty of good books out now, assuming you basically have any interest in Marvel
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 16, 2013, 10:41:46 PM
Best Marvel books currently, off the top of my head:

- Hawkeye
- Wolverine and the X-Men
- Fury: My War Gone By
- Thor
- Daredevil

But the overall quality bar is a lot higher, I think. There are plenty of non-essential but solidly good books like FF or Avengers Assemble or All New X-Men or Captain America. If you're into that kind of thing, there is quality fan service to be found. Whereas the average DC book right now is something garbage like Stormwatch or Team 7
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2013, 10:58:05 PM
'editors decided he would still exist despite there being no logical reason' is his backstory

Just wait for the next Crisis to fix everything, for real this time.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 17, 2013, 03:09:48 AM
So the current rumor is that "Age of Ultron" is going to be Marvel's "Flashpoint". The solicitation for issues 7 and 8 came out and it involves time travel, and people are saying it'll result in a line-wide continuity reboot for Marvel. If that happens it'll be the second #1 relaunch for them in a year.

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Post by: Yeti on February 17, 2013, 03:34:20 AM
Wasn't the whole point of the Ultimate line so they could avoid doing reboots like that?
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Post by: bork on February 17, 2013, 09:28:10 AM
So the current rumor is that "Age of Ultron" is going to be Marvel's "Flashpoint". The solicitation for issues 7 and 8 came out and it involves time travel, and people are saying it'll result in a line-wide continuity reboot for Marvel. If that happens it'll be the second #1 relaunch for them in a year.

That doesn't make any sense-  Marvel NOW! is their "reboot."  Plus aren't there additional "AoA" branded books coming out alongside the regular issues?  It seems to be self-contained.

The "world breaking" stuff listed in the solicit for issue #7 will be cleared up by the end of the mini series in issue #10.
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Post by: bork on February 17, 2013, 09:34:41 AM
Wasn't the whole point of the Ultimate line so they could avoid doing reboots like that?

Marvel isn't going to do a DC New 52-style reboot.  They've been doing soft reboots on titles for the last few years.  "This will have an effect on the Marvel Universe for years to come" just means Ultron will be back as a villain and/or some character(s) get changed up a bit.  Typical shit.

But it would be funny to see the meltdowns if they did do this- especially if they were to just reset everything that's happened to Spider-Man like it never happened.   :lol
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Post by: Eric P on February 17, 2013, 10:11:44 AM
comics.  amirite?

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Post by: Yeti on February 17, 2013, 01:14:28 PM
Comics are so confusing, I don't know how anyone can possibly keep up with them. There are so many crossovers, events, and continuity, that if you don't start immediately from the start of a reboot and get every issue, it can get very easy to get hopelessly lost. I would love to be able to read comics through single issues, because I feel that comics are to books what tv is to movies. But my word, the invest of time and especially money is astronomical. I just have to stick with the occasional odd tpb, and hope that the story is as self-contained as possible.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 05:45:10 PM
the Spider-Man thing is clearly heading for a 'reset' - back to Spider-man pre-Dan Slott basically. At some point it will all relaunch and all that annoying continuity (Spider-man being an Avenger, being a cool rich scientist at Horizon, MJ + girls generally, having cool equipment, being loved by Jameson et al) that has built up will be gone and he'll be back to being a feared and hated loner with no strings. This is all seen as 'fixing' a character. What we call 'story' in other mediums is called 'breaking' it. COMICS!

If you care at all about this stuff, Yeti, you should read some non-Marvel / DC comics. Stuff like Walking Dead, Hellboy, BPRD, Invincible, the Valiant stuff I mentioned earlier - you may not have the instant recognition factor you get with Spider-man or Batman but at least when stuff happens, it sticks for the most part. Not saying it's ever gonna be cheap though :lol
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Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2013, 06:00:22 PM
Comics are so confusing, I don't know how anyone can possibly keep up with them. There are so many crossovers, events, and continuity, that if you don't start immediately from the start of a reboot and get every issue, it can get very easy to get hopelessly lost. I would love to be able to read comics through single issues, because I feel that comics are to books what tv is to movies. But my word, the invest of time and especially money is astronomical. I just have to stick with the occasional odd tpb, and hope that the story is as self-contained as possible.

This was actually the point of the Ultimate line of Marvel comics: a place for new readers to start, safe and sound, able to follow everything from the outset. I think it, too, became overly interwoven and needlessly complex pretty quickly, but that's just my impression.
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Post by: Eric P on February 17, 2013, 07:24:35 PM
well it was that but then when it was mostly og comics people buy them anyway they started demanding shit they already had in the other books like venom and fucking carnage.

basically fans ruin everything
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 07:35:03 PM
it was manageable when it was like two books but once you add some then pressure builds for crossovers and shit and then new creative teams want a clean slate to start their own bullshit and yadda yadda before you know it the world has been destroyed 3x and Peter Parker is dead and Cap is President et cetera

The current Ultimates run is just utterly ludicrous, apart from lousy art, i kind of love it. It's not in the least serious and spends a lot of time tweaking the noses of continuity nerds. For example, in mainstream Marvel, Nick Fury just basically switched from a white man to a black Sam Jackson to match the movie. In Ultimates, he just switched from Sam Jackson to white Nick Fury for no good reason whatsoever :lol
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Post by: chronovore on February 17, 2013, 09:03:11 PM
:lol
Is it a disguise? Maybe the trade paperback will be called W.H.I.T.E. Like Me.
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Post by: Yeti on February 17, 2013, 09:49:52 PM
I actually liked a lot of the Ultimate stuff when it first came out, I remember especially liking Ultimate Spider-Man. Then Ultimatum happened and it became impossible to follow.

I do like Hellboy a lot, I've got most of the trades of that except for maybe the most recent two or three. It's very different from the movies, which I also like. Is BPRD more like the movies, where it's a squad of paranormal investigators going out and fighting supernatural forces, just without Hellboy?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 17, 2013, 09:54:37 PM
Yeah, although most of the stuff i've read is one big storyline ('Plague of Frogs'). Get those hardcover collections and you're good to go. Great value, fantastic storytelling
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Post by: chronovore on February 18, 2013, 02:54:04 AM
And Mignola is, no joke, one of the most important comic talents of our time.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 18, 2013, 03:17:24 AM
I actually just watched the two movies and had been thinking about reading more so thats good to hear.
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Post by: chronovore on February 18, 2013, 04:06:18 AM
He's a good writer, but his art is phenomenal. And he's evolved! Unlike many artists who just sort of do their one thing repeatedly, you can look back at early Mignola and it's not even the same human drawing this stuff.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 18, 2013, 05:13:05 AM
well, the bad news there is that Mignola doesn't draw any of BPRD, apart from some covers and designs. The good news is that the artists he chooses are uniformly great. I think I've actually come to prefer Guy Davis on Hellboy, and it was a bit of a downer when Mignola came back for the current arc. Not much of one, of course, but still. If you get a chance to flip through the Hellboy Library Editions in a store, check out Davis' work on #6...just amazing
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Post by: Yeti on February 18, 2013, 01:37:51 PM
I remember getting one of the later Hellboys and reading the forward about how he had chosen a new artist that he really enjoyed working with, blah blab blah, and I remember thinking to myself "what is this shit?!" Then I read it and I thought, "Hey, this is pretty okay"
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on February 19, 2013, 04:10:10 PM
Rereading Promethea again. It's just such a crazy jump from an enjoyable idea into a big brain creature, with hands made of ideas, and every finger is actually a brain, with a plethora of ideas in each brain cell.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 22, 2013, 04:22:32 AM
I just picked up a bunch of crap.

Chase-I like JH Williams art in Batwomen, so I thought I'd pick up the trade.

Y The Last Man DE 1-Yep, I'm going to jump into this. I'm really liking Saga and I hope this is just as good.

Batman The Black Glove DE-I hear this is the start of Grant Morrison's Batman run and well I'm probably the most excited about reading this.

Death The High Cost of Living-I'm a fan of Bachalo and well Gaiman is obviously well known. So it seemed like a good thing to pick up.

X-Force: Sex and Violence-Just stupid fun.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2013, 04:40:14 AM
Batman and Son is the start of Morrison's run but no reason you can't go back and catch up
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 22, 2013, 04:46:38 AM
Batman and Son is the start of Morrison's run but no reason you can't go back and catch up
Yeah the Deluxe Hardcover edition has those issues.

I'm following this guide.

http://comicsastonish.com/2012/01/04/a-readers-guide-to-grant-morrisons-batman/
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Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2013, 05:27:31 AM
I finally read the New Krypton stuff. (Well, Last Son through to the reboot.) My biggest complaint is probably that I couldn't keep track of time. And a lot of times it wouldn't even say how long had happened between events. And some of that Nightwing/Flamebird stuff was :yuck

Grounded and Reign of Doomsday were written so people were pleading for a reboot right?

Shame about what became the conclusion to The Black Ring because I quite enjoyed that setup.

Now to figure out where the hell I left off in Fables or Walking Dead, or read all that Johns Green Lantern stuff since I noticed the library has like three copies of each trade. Or let stuff pile up for two more years or so. Or strike until DC brings back Checkmate. The Rucka version. And while he's at it he can bring back Gotham Central and set it during Morrison's whole run.

Maybe I'll just read Birds of Prey in hopes it comes close to what Catwoman eventually became.
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Post by: bork on February 22, 2013, 10:08:41 AM
Maybe I'll just read Birds of Prey in hopes it comes close to what Catwoman eventually became.

A comic about a slut?
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Post by: Eric P on February 22, 2013, 10:11:15 AM

Maybe I'll just read Birds of Prey in hopes it comes close to what Catwoman eventually became.

i'm reading Birds of Prey right now and it's weird.  Super crazy cheesecake art with "Real Women"(tm) style relationships.  Kind of an odd disconnect.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 22, 2013, 08:46:54 PM
It must be cheap as hell to produce a hardcover book nowadays. I'm noticing a flood of Golden Age and 1950s reprint hardcover collections cropping up, very esoteric stuff like ACG comics titles and such.
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Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2013, 09:29:56 PM
A comic about a slut?
But this time three or more sluts.  :drool

I was surprised how Catwoman's two series went from dumb 90s action schlock to heist-based to sorta noir-ish before Infinite Crisis butted in. Was wondering how Birds of Prey evolved when I saw how long it also ran. But this:
i'm reading Birds of Prey right now and it's weird.  Super crazy cheesecake art with "Real Women"(tm) style relationships.  Kind of an odd disconnect.
is totally acceptable. There was a whole part of Catwoman where it was being all serious about relationships and alcoholism/addictions and drama but drawn like the Batman animated series comics.

I think the Cassandra Batgirl series went through a similar art != story situation.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 22, 2013, 09:31:02 PM
It must be cheap as hell to produce a hardcover book nowadays. I'm noticing a flood of Golden Age and 1950s reprint hardcover collections cropping up, very esoteric stuff like ACG comics titles and such.

they don't call this the Golden Age of Reprints for nothin'

I could easily read nothing but deluxe hardcovers of old comics these days, if I just had space to store them (or a goddamn English library...)
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Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2013, 09:41:06 PM
Speaking of art (ignore the text, was first version I found):
(http://i.imgur.com/bBQ8iRY.png)
I hope he's x-ray visioning her spine or whatever is going on with her hips.
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Post by: Squiddy on February 22, 2013, 11:51:29 PM
fucking comics
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Post by: ManaByte on February 25, 2013, 10:12:32 AM
Morrison confirms the Batman Inc 8 rumors:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/holy_hit_job_robin_eats_it_kZ9EWvYlw10mf4wS324GhN
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on February 25, 2013, 04:19:44 PM
hahaha, what the fuck is going on with his right arm
Forced perspective obv.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 06:25:31 PM
Morrison confirms the Batman Inc 8 rumors:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/holy_hit_job_robin_eats_it_kZ9EWvYlw10mf4wS324GhN

FUCK YOU
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 06:26:27 PM
SERIOUSLY FUCK YOU

AND LET ME BE CLEAR: FUCK YOU, MANABYTE
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 07:09:03 PM
I haven't seen the cover nor do I read the NY Post, would kinda like to have read the fucking thing myself
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Post by: parallax on February 25, 2013, 07:17:59 PM
why is the press treating this like an event?
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 07:22:09 PM
because it's an easy space-filler - DC or Marvel sends them out a press release which they can basically just copy-paste under a 'BIFF POW! Comics not just for kids anymore!' headline and then fuck off to Starbucks
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2013, 07:55:10 PM
:bow Journalism :bow2
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Post by: Eric P on February 25, 2013, 08:07:13 PM
annoyed at Manabyte but in his defense every other fucking news org i follow posted largely the same thing in their headlines

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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 08:15:37 PM
Props to Kevin Smith at least for editing the spoiler out of pt. 2 of the podcast with Morrison. I basically don't read news sites or go on twitter for most of the day 'cause I don't want NBA games spoiled for me so I was totally in the dark. I don't read previews because I buy digitally and thus don't need them, and why spoil yourself anyway

I'm sure the issue is still worth reading but it is intensely annoying not to be able to go into it cold. It's a big part of the appeal of serial comics ffs.
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Post by: ManaByte on February 25, 2013, 08:44:41 PM
That cover even spoils the whole deal.  Why bother doing something shocking if you're going to give it all away upfront?  I wonder.

So there will be a mad rush for the issue when comic shops open on Wednesday. My shop already let everyone know it's first come, first served (unless it's on your saver already) and no new Batman Inc saver adds until AFTER Wednesday. It's usually a low-ordered book compared to Snyder's, so DC just put people into a frenzy for it.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 08:45:37 PM
you gonna spoiler tag that shit now or should we just change the thread title
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 25, 2013, 08:48:23 PM
yeah, there's really no way to go into that one cold, unless you wore a blindfold and had someone lead you around until you were ready to read it
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Post by: ManaByte on February 25, 2013, 08:51:04 PM
you gonna spoiler tag that shit now or should we just change the thread title

Yea I will.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 08:52:52 PM
yeah, there's really no way to go into that one cold, unless you wore a blindfold and had someone lead you around until you were ready to read it

people keep telling me this and yet it was here that i got spoiled. Maybe this is not obvious but I live in a country that doesn't give a shit about Batman :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 08:58:42 PM
I do not understand why someone who wasn't already reading the comic would care enough to pick it up. This is like part 96 in Morrison's run. If you don't like the character enough to pick up the main book he appears in, why would you care if he dies

i know, COMICS

but still.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 25, 2013, 09:00:43 PM
Cuz it's gonna be worth a lot of money in a few years, duh.

WTS: 20 copies of Spawn #1.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 09:06:26 PM
Weirdly people allow Kirkman to get away with it - no-one spoiled WD 100. I mean, it was clear something nasty would happen from the build-up but I still went into it cold.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 25, 2013, 09:07:33 PM
That of course was a whole separate level of marketing bullshit, with the alt covers and the massive influx of one-time buyers but whatevs, alt covers don't phase me
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 25, 2013, 09:36:02 PM
Back when I was running the comic shop I got all my comics spoiled for me three months ahead of time.
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Post by: Yeti on February 26, 2013, 11:28:18 PM
I didn't like the character, but I think it is dumb to kill them off.

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I don't like the character because I think there are too many damn Robins as it is. Batman goes through Robins faster than tissues. Plus I think it is dumb having Batman be a baby daddy.

I think it is dumb to kill him off because Batman's core motivation is the death of his parents, he's already driven by grief.  Adding grief over the loss of his son just lessens the impact of his parents' deaths
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 12:31:27 AM
Robin has been part of Batman since NINETEEN FORTY so it's a bit absurd to cling to this idea of Batman as a loner. He's almost NEVER been a loner - since Day 1, Alfred was part of it, then Robin, then legions of others, including plenty of civilians like Gordon, Lucius Fox etc. These are not just supporting characters but people who know his identity and actively help him.

Now Spider-man, that's a fucking loner. Feared and hated, no friends, no-one knows his inner pain, not even his one living blood relative (yeah, there have been exceptions like MJ over the years but that's the status quo it usually returns to).
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 01:11:24 AM
Other than Damian, all those characters are between 20-70 years old now though. And the copyrights must be kept up so they're not going away for very long.

The more I think about it, the more bullshit Death of the Family was. So many bizarre, plot-serving moments that contradict character and motivation. The Joker was the least subtle version ever, and the reason for the Bat-family gettin' salty will likely never be revealed. Just a pure plot-hammer. So unsatisfying.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 01:12:58 AM
My point is that it wouldn't be an extension of the character; it IS the character as he has been consistently portrayed almost since inception.

This was Morrison's whole point as well - I was never alone, the Bell was when I became Batman etc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 01:15:30 AM
There is definitely a bit of 'Snyder vs Morrison' going on as well, which must be politically motivated at some level - Morrison has Batman going 'I love you guys, let's make a big international crime-fighting corporation' and Snyder has them all gettin' mad at Bats and pulling away from him to leave him alone. Snyder has the better sales so he wins by default
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 01:39:43 AM
Without getting into spoilers (although probably fair game by now?), the stuff he did was so ridiculous and so pointless and so ineffectual, it's hard to take him in any way seriously from now on, at least as written by Snyder. Snyder just took all the subtext from past interpretations of the Joker and made it THE TEXT. Like, he literally is in love with Batman. To the point he would rather die than kill Batman, can't even SEE Bruce Wayne and is physically aroused by Batman's mere presence. All of that is interesting to INFER but Snyder just has the Joker SAY it. Subtle he is not
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 27, 2013, 05:56:27 PM
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Post by: Yeti on February 27, 2013, 08:56:49 PM
http://robliefeldcreations.com/?p=3314

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EXTREME TALENT CONTEST! LIEFELD DRAWS YOUR STORY!
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I want to help out young writers and give them a chance at having a short story published in an issue of Youngblood and Bloodstrike. Here’s how you participate.

Step 1 – Write a short story featuring one of my EXTREME CHARACTERS. the story MUST BE EXTREME CHARACTERS ONLY.  You are submitting a brief few paragraph’s pitching your idea for a short 5-6 page story.

Step 2 – HIT THE BUTTON. Here on this web site, to the right is a button that says CONTACT ME! This will send your story to my attention.

Step 3 – Wait to be contacted. I will choose 3 winners, 1 every few weeks starting March 6th, 2013. If your pitch is chosen you will be given a work for hire agreement to sign in order to participate.

Step 4 – Submission agreement. Click link below.

EXTREME TALENT CONTEST SUBMISSION FORM

I  have the absolute highest regard for creators and for the ownership of original properties, and this agreement should in no way be misconstrued as license for us to appropriate your creations. This agreement protects Rob Liefeld from any liabilities involving coincidental similarities to works-­‐in-­‐progress or other submissions. Any submissions received without a signed agreement will be discarded without review.

5. GOOD LUCK!

You KNOW you want to win!

Perusing his page, it looks like he's discovered the solution to drawing feet.

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don't  draw them in the first place :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 27, 2013, 09:14:42 PM
Cormac, I hate to defend ManaByte, but that's been spoiled 17 ways to Sunday ... I guess you were fortunate to live in Japan but it's been in tons of media outlets (not just comic ones) front and center, there's a full-court media press with pre-release interviews from Morrison, etc. etc.

The cover alone is hugely obvious (I guess you didn't see that either) but it's been talked about for weeks even in the very casual comic circles I travel in.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 09:25:02 PM
HERE is where I got spoiled

his post was otherwise worthless

worst kind of spoiler, the end
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on February 27, 2013, 09:56:29 PM
not gonna argue that, and ManaByte does love him some spoiling!

READ YOUR URLS, KIDS
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 10:32:15 PM
I would honestly say that after RIP, a story in which Batman was supposed to die, and after a cliffhanger ending just a few issues back in which Robin was shot and killed in fact all part of master plan hahahaha, and one in which Batman (Dick) was shot in the head in a cliffhanger and not fucking killed in fact it was all part of master plan hahahha, even seeing the Robin RIP cover would not have convinced me that Robin would be actually dead and remain dead.

I mean, i'm STILL not 100% convinced. Maybe you guys have all read interviews with Morrison and such but AFAIK 'Batman and Robin' is still being solicited for months to come
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 27, 2013, 11:02:16 PM
alfred came along after robin
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 27, 2013, 11:12:08 PM
Just read "Our Love Is Real," at the behest of Cormacaroni. Steven Sanders' art is a beautiful way to tell this transhuman, transgressive, pansexual story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 27, 2013, 11:21:57 PM
alfred came along after robin

if we are going to split hairs about the order in which they appeared in the 40's, yes

in the only continuity any of us care about today, Alfred came first

come at me comic book bro, come at me
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 28, 2013, 12:07:04 AM
is this the continuity where batman gets shot through time by a magic bullet and his soul has to travel back through various batmen through the ages

i'll stick with whatever continuity where batman isn't a giant queermo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 01:58:53 AM
Miller/Mazzuchelli Year One good enough for ya? Bruce rings the bell, Alfred stops the bleeding, 'I shall become a bat'...?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 28, 2013, 02:23:23 AM
So what's been better or at least a style comparison? Snyder's Batman or Morrison's Batman. I've started the Morrison stuff and once I get up to the new Batman Inc maybe I'll dabble in the Synder stuff, but all this recent talk about Damian and the Death of a Family has just made me wonder what Batman should I be reading. I mean I honestly don't care about continuity, these are super hero comics so whatever, I'm just interested in if the actual story is good.

I like Morrison from New X-men, but it seems Synder is pretty praised, but reading your guys post makes it seem like his recent story was pretty meh? Was it just kind of bad because it didn't effect the continuity, but other then that it was a decent story or was it just bad.

The only Batman stuff I've read is Dark Knight Returns, Year One, and Killing Joke. I just picked up Hush and the Morrison stuff up till Batman and Robin.

Anyway another update to my comic reading.

I got the first Y The Last man hardcover. It was pretty great, I guess Brian K Vaughn just writes believable characters and dialogue. I don't know, thats what I've gotten from this and Saga even though both have some crazy situations. Either way the stuff is on sale at instocktrades.com so I just bought the rest of it.

I also picked up the first few parts of Planetary because Warren Ellis seems pretty good as I've enjoyed Nextwave and Transmetropolitan. Though it sounds pretty intense.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 02:32:07 AM
ehhh, if you got through Transmet, Planetary will have nothing to shock you

I've generally enjoyed Snyder on Batman - this last arc is the first real misstep from him i think. Even then it was skillfully done 'til the end so was at least a compelling read.

The greatest thing about Batman is that every great writer or artist in comics, pretty much, has taken a shot at him at some point. You can go through the archives of Batman or Detective and find amazing stuff from every era. Recently I found a run of Peter Milligan-penned 'Tec issues that were great, for example. There are of course hundreds of bad or dull or goofy issues in there as well but you should by no means restrict yourself to the $3.99 books on the shelves right now
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2013, 04:14:40 AM
My favorite Batman was No Man's Land even though it sprawled all over the damn place. (And the trades are missing entire sections of the story so you're almost better off torrenting the fanmade packs.) And I've always had a soft spot for War Games/War Crimes because I love Black Mask.  :-[

One aspect I loved about Gotham Central, Catwoman and Batgirl were often how they handled Batman, it's like they fleshed him out as what it was like when he's not there as this epic force that controls Gotham but he's always sorta present in everyone's mind.

In other words, I agree with Cormac, you can find lots of great (or at least acceptable) Batman if you just stab at random almost. I don't think that about really any other major superhero/group.

Legends of the Dark Knight before it got sucked into the normal Batman universe was a series I really liked. And I think it was Gotham Knights that tried to redo that? Though it wasn't quite as good IIRC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2013, 04:58:48 AM
Yeah, finding that log about how he had escaped immediately was such a disappointment.  :lol

I always thought he would have fit perfectly into the purported vision of Nolan's Batman. I easily could see him as the only "survivor" crimelord of the Joker's terror in The Dark Knight for a sequel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2013, 05:07:49 AM
I probably would have been so upset about the Hush "payoff" in any other game but I was just like  :o as it all came together. All the dread I felt was entirely from the comics.  :lol

That and Mad Hatter were two of the best parts of Arkham City.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2013, 05:25:12 AM
I loved the little hints left around Arkham in the first game too. Both games were some of the few total geek-out moments I had this gen. Especially with the voicework.

The first game was great trying to tell people about without lapsing into either my Batman fanboyism or Metroid fanboyism.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 28, 2013, 06:44:51 AM
I liked Darwyn Cooke's Catwoman run. I want to repurchase the TPB, as the one I bought at ImageCon in Oakland last year did not survive a reading session in the bathtub.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2013, 07:02:50 AM
I loved that entire Catwoman series and hated how it got derailed by DC EVENTS. Especially since I came off the first volume which was all 90's action. I had done all the Batman stuff up until Final Crisis and then looped back around to cover some of the side books, and Gotham Central of course was amazing, but Catwoman was a really nice surprise I always read past where I intended to each night.

And mentioning Batman, I thought the use of Bruce was smart in that series. The relationship from that side. Even if they could only play with it, not make anything too permanent.

bork's summary is kinda accurate though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on February 28, 2013, 06:40:14 PM
Geoff Johns on Fat Man this week. And Smith plays the five minutes he cut from the Morrison episode because the issue is out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on February 28, 2013, 07:19:51 PM
Jennifer Blood continues to be wildly entertaining and unpredictable. I actually thought this issue would be it, but no, it appears there will be a 24th :lol

I really have no idea when or where this one will end up, it is so far off the reservation at this point. Highly recommended for Exodus or anyone else tired of the DC/Marvel continuity treadmill. These are not arty indie comics by any means, very accessible
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2013, 12:37:05 AM
reminder that the art is terrible
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2013, 12:59:11 AM
reminder that is also a fairly predictable Garth Ennis Punisher-lite comic until Al Ewing takes over and starts to really go nuts on it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2013, 01:02:03 AM
Eel, have you seen Francesco Francavilla's Black Beetle from Dark Horse? It is GORGEOUS vintage pulp comics, think you'd dig it

(http://myhollywooddream.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cover-TheBlackBeetle.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 01, 2013, 08:30:29 AM
Jennifer Blood is definitely fun.  Remember to check out Jennifer Blood: First Blood and The Ninjettes spin-off, too!

I mean, i'm STILL not 100% convinced. Maybe you guys have all read interviews with Morrison and such but AFAIK 'Batman and Robin' is still being solicited for months to come

Sure..."Batman and Robin."  Not "Batman and Damien."

It wouldn't be any kind of surprise to see Damien come back, either.  Everyone else seems to die and come back.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 01, 2013, 08:54:09 AM
Eel, have you seen Francesco Francavilla's Black Beetle from Dark Horse? It is GORGEOUS vintage pulp comics, think you'd dig it

(http://myhollywooddream.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/cover-TheBlackBeetle.jpg)

oooh, that looks good, kinda like a cross between Steve Rude and David Mazzucchelli

i'll check it out, thanks
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2013, 09:03:43 AM
Jennifer Blood is definitely fun.  Remember to check out Jennifer Blood: First Blood and The Ninjettes spin-off, too!

I mean, i'm STILL not 100% convinced. Maybe you guys have all read interviews with Morrison and such but AFAIK 'Batman and Robin' is still being solicited for months to come

Sure..."Batman and Robin."  Not "Batman and Damien."

It wouldn't be any kind of surprise to see Damien come back, either.  Everyone else seems to die and come back.   :lol

It took until the next issue for Morrison's Xorn/Magneto stuff to get changed after he left #never forget
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 01, 2013, 09:28:12 AM
Don't really know what you're talking about...wasn't reading X-Men during that time.

Was it something like Xorn was actually Magneto in disguise, then they retconned this?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 01, 2013, 10:44:24 AM
[quote author=Cormacaroni link=topic=32804.msg1645763#msg1645763 date=1362022335

I mean, i'm STILL not 100% convinced. Maybe you guys have all read interviews with Morrison and such but AFAIK 'Batman and Robin' is still being solicited for months to come
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They were solicited in Diamond  as "Batman & Robin" to hide the storyline of #8. It's turning into a team up book. The next issue is Batman and Red Robin, then Batman and Red Hood, etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 01, 2013, 10:54:38 AM
Jennifer Blood is definitely fun.  Remember to check out Jennifer Blood: First Blood and The Ninjettes spin-off, too!

I mean, i'm STILL not 100% convinced. Maybe you guys have all read interviews with Morrison and such but AFAIK 'Batman and Robin' is still being solicited for months to come

Sure..."Batman and Robin."  Not "Batman and Damien."

It wouldn't be any kind of surprise to see Damien come back, either.  Everyone else seems to die and come back.   :lol

It took until the next issue for Morrison's Xorn/Magneto stuff to get changed after he left #never forget

Yeah, I'm wondering if this will be retconned within 6 months because the kids love that crazy-ass Damian wakka wakka

I must say, I love Damian, I love his arc, I love what Morrison's done with Batman. I hope the Damian story gets turned into a film one day, instead of yet-another-Joker-reboot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 01, 2013, 01:02:43 PM
Jennifer Blood is definitely fun.  Remember to check out Jennifer Blood: First Blood and The Ninjettes spin-off, too!

I mean, i'm STILL not 100% convinced. Maybe you guys have all read interviews with Morrison and such but AFAIK 'Batman and Robin' is still being solicited for months to come

Sure..."Batman and Robin."  Not "Batman and Damien."

It wouldn't be any kind of surprise to see Damien come back, either.  Everyone else seems to die and come back.   :lol

It took until the next issue for Morrison's Xorn/Magneto stuff to get changed after he left #never forget

Yeah, I'm wondering if this will be retconned within 6 months because the kids love that crazy-ass Damian wakka wakka

I must say, I love Damian, I love his arc, I love what Morrison's done with Batman. I hope the Damian story gets turned into a film one day, instead of yet-another-Joker-reboot

I've been going through the new Previews for the May books and the issue of Batman Incorporated for May has Talia on the cover with her tits hanging out and Damian's skull in her hand. Lazarus pit!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 01, 2013, 07:39:01 PM
They don't even need the Lazarus Pit, given that Talia basically brought him back to life already in Batman and Robin. I mean, they have all these cloned bodies ready to harvest for organs as well as at least one full-grown clone (the dude who killed him) running around. It's the biggest backdoor ever basically. Morrison wants to close the book on him for a while to give some weight to his whole story and restore the status quo, but he or some version of him will definitely be back at some point.

Anyway. I liked the issue, and they're right that Dick as Batman + Damian was basically the best flava combo ever. Cool creamy avocado and crispy salty bacon. They really should have left it the fuck alone for a few years more but oh well. DC needs Batman to be economically viable I guess.

It would be awesome if you could not start posting shit from Previews btw, Manabyte. I avoid that stuff for a reason
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 04, 2013, 04:17:35 AM
That's unusually mild for you, Cormacaroni. I'd have Manabyte digitally murdered by now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 04, 2013, 04:33:13 AM
Comics fans are an endangered species, I guess there has to be some solidarity no matter how perfidious the crime

Got the 2nd volume of the big IDW Alex Toth illustrated biography in the mail today, incredible stuff. Definitely worth a flick through if you like guys like Steve Rude or David Mazuchelli and want to see some of their roots. He unfortunately rarely got to work on material worth much of a damn but he elevated almost everything he touched.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 04, 2013, 08:24:30 AM
i'm reading Gail Simone's Secret Six and I was kind of surprised to see a lesbian character's girlfriend get fridged to provide a revenge motivation in issue 2.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 04, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
Marvel reboot announced on Sunday?

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 04, 2013, 03:39:00 PM
Batman and Robin issue titles for the next five months:

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#19 — Batman and Red Robin
#20 — Batman and Red Hood
#21 — Batman and Batgirl
#22 — Batman and Catwoman
#23 — Batman and Nightwing
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on March 04, 2013, 03:56:16 PM
Marvel reboot announced on Sunday?

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Didn't they just reboot a while back? SMH.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on March 04, 2013, 08:58:36 PM
I think that was a "soft" reboot and this is more of a "hard" reboot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 04, 2013, 09:04:55 PM
Wasn't their a rumor about a hard reboot being to outcome of Age of Ultron? I just don't see how that would make sense now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 04, 2013, 09:43:41 PM
from now on all Marvel comics will be number 1s
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2013, 05:31:32 AM
their next initiative will be all wolverine and or deadpool books
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 05, 2013, 09:14:04 AM
I can't imagine trying to organize a comic collection nowadays, everyone's boxes must be chaos :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 05, 2013, 09:53:55 AM
Wasn't their a rumor about a hard reboot being to outcome of Age of Ultron? I just don't see how that would make sense now.

Well Age of Ulton starts tomorrow and Marvel claims that
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it will create an all-new Marvel universe
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So it could result in a Heroes Reborn sort of thing, which is shit, or a New 52 sort of thing.
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Post by: Eric P on March 05, 2013, 10:11:55 AM
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a New 52 sort of thing.

also shit.
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Post by: ManaByte on March 05, 2013, 10:23:54 AM
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a New 52 sort of thing.

also shit.

Not as shit as a pocket universe that means nothing to the overall continuity with Rob Liefeld "art".
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 05, 2013, 02:17:33 PM
Wasn't their a rumor about a hard reboot being to outcome of Age of Ultron? I just don't see how that would make sense now.

Well Age of Ulton starts tomorrow and Marvel claims that
spoiler (click to show/hide)
it will create an all-new Marvel universe
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So it could result in a Heroes Reborn sort of thing, which is shit, or a New 52 sort of thing.

But this makes absolutely no sense after the entire Marvel Now soft relaunch.  I agree with it being more like Heroes Reborn in that at the end, everything gets reset back to normal and another alternate reality is created.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 05, 2013, 02:19:46 PM
Wasn't their a rumor about a hard reboot being to outcome of Age of Ultron? I just don't see how that would make sense now.

Well Age of Ulton starts tomorrow and Marvel claims that
spoiler (click to show/hide)
it will create an all-new Marvel universe
[close]

So it could result in a Heroes Reborn sort of thing, which is shit, or a New 52 sort of thing.

But this makes absolutely no sense after the entire Marvel Now soft relaunch.  I agree with it being more like Heroes Reborn in that at the end, everything gets reset back to normal and another alternate reality is created.

It makes sense when Diamond is telling retailers to expect some high-level management changes at Marvel to be announced at C2E2.

The theory is that Quesada is getting the boot, and this reboot is going to be used to put the Marvel Universe back to before he started fucking it up with stupid shit like the Spidey marriage retcon, etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 05, 2013, 02:29:35 PM

It makes sense when Diamond is telling retailers to expect some high-level management changes at Marvel to be announced at C2E2.

The theory is that Quesada is getting the boot, and this reboot is going to be used to put the Marvel Universe back to before he started fucking it up with stupid shit like the Spidey marriage retcon, etc.

And that would be great, but it shits all over the new books that just launched.  Can't say that I'm enjoying Avengers and New Avengers that much (snoozefests, but hey!  Uncanny Avengers is fun when it actually ships!), however, so those getting restarted -again- would be okay by me!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 05, 2013, 04:23:12 PM
I really like the new FF and Gillen's Avengers work, shame if that gets shoved under the table
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2013, 06:25:39 PM
i like them too but realistically, how many issues would you expect them to last anyway?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 05, 2013, 06:26:24 PM
(actually #2 of YA was pretty weak vs #2 barring Loki's appearance I thought)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 05, 2013, 08:09:09 PM
Uh...  15 and 9 issues,  respectively
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Post by: Eric P on March 06, 2013, 03:10:47 PM
was at a comic store (where i bought the first two manhunter trades) and a guy said something about "beating someone up" more to himself than anyone around him and he was called out by store staff who said "we don't accept violent talk in here.  if you keep speaking like that, we'll have to ask you to leave."

i thought it was kind of funny considering that 90% of the guy's store deals with people who are unable to solve their problems without resorting to violence.

as humorous a cover your ass policy as the "THESE ARE FOR TOBACCO ONLY" signs in head shops.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 06, 2013, 04:44:31 PM
print this up and tell him to post it by the cash register

(http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c121/KParrott/violenttalk_zps01084108.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 06, 2013, 06:22:41 PM
Picked up Nova #1. Better than the normal Loeb toilet paper, but curious where it sits in continuity as it's the same Nova who was in AvX, but it's obviously much earlier as he's a kid in this.
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Post by: bork on March 07, 2013, 08:21:00 AM
He was a kid in AvX too. 
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Post by: Eric P on March 07, 2013, 08:48:15 AM
Manhunter feels a bit like an incompetent female punisher.  the first four issues were pretty good.  i'll probably pick them all up at some point
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Post by: ManaByte on March 07, 2013, 10:04:55 AM
Marvel Digital Comics Unlimited is now on iPad and iPhone.
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Post by: ManaByte on March 07, 2013, 06:29:27 PM
Skottie Young's awesome Thanos Rising variant:

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Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2013, 09:37:44 AM
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/batmans-mythology-boost-dc-18699718

Batman's transformative years are getting a few new twists.

DC Entertainment is going back into Bruce Wayne's past to see how he began his transformation from wealthy socialite to the scourge of Gotham's criminal underworld.

Key elements of the character's history are staying the same — the murder of Wayne's parents, for example — says Scott Snyder, the writer of "Batman" since its relaunch debuted in 2011.

"It's not 'let's redo the origin,'" he said Monday. "It's time for a new story showing how Batman became who he is in the New 52."

Snyder said the decision grew out of the success of the first year-and-a-half of DC's New 52, a sweeping reorganization of the publisher's characters that saw many given new origins and costumes that blended those from their first appearances decades ago with contemporary changes.

Snyder said readers will see how the crime fighter found his calling and what challenges he faced when first donning the costume of the Dark Knight.

The augmented origin begins June in the pages of "Batman" in an 11-issue story called "The Year Zero" that is illustrated by Greg Capullo.

"We tried to preserve as much of Batman's history as we could and keep what we could of this history intact," Snyder said of the change. "It's 'The Zero Year,' the one that no one has told the story of before. We see how Bruce became the Batman, built the cave, faced off with his first super villain."

It's not so much an origin story as it is a view into Batman's formative years.

"We're not going to take apart 'Year One,'" Snyder said, referring to the Frank Miller-David Mazzucchelli four-issue arc that recounted how Wayne began to fight crime after years away.

Instead Snyder, an Eagle Award-winning writer whose other efforts for DC include "Swamp Thing" and "American Vampire," said the "Zero Year" story will give readers new glimpses into the Bob Kane-created character who made his first appearance in the pages of "Detective Comics" No. 27 in May 1939.

"It's time for a new story showing how Batman became who he is in the New 52," said Snyder. "It builds up the mythology."
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 11, 2013, 09:59:33 AM
 :-\

Speaking of needless and pointless revisioning, I finally got around to reading the rest of Marvel's The Twelve. As I read I pictured J. Michael Straczynski locking all the doors to his house, putting on a long fake beard and wig, lighting a pentagram-shaped arrangement of candles, and muttering to himself "So what happens now, Alan?" as he sits down at his desk to type.

Seriously, it's fascinating how badly the dude wants to be Alan Moore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_(comics)
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Post by: ManaByte on March 11, 2013, 01:22:23 PM
I trust Snyder though.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 11, 2013, 06:04:10 PM
I blasted through Irredeemable, and its bonkers read in a few sittings, especially with the super-quick ending.

I also think Fatale is kinda screwed. Brubaker soon writing for computer game plots, it won't end well, just look what happened to Keiron Gillen.
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Post by: G The Resurrected on March 11, 2013, 06:23:37 PM
Someone help me understand the new 52. Is this shit really all taking place in one giant universe? I feel like I'm missing out on some stories cause I'm not reading everything. I'm only buying the one's I like.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 09:09:16 PM
If you're only buying the ones you like, you're doing it right.

The Marvel #1 thing turned out to be a massive dump of free #1 issues on comixology btw. Lots of good stuff in there
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Post by: Eric P on March 11, 2013, 09:30:02 PM
if you can get it

comixology has been a mess since yesterday
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Post by: Yeti on March 11, 2013, 09:41:20 PM
Someone help me understand the new 52. Is this shit really all taking place in one giant universe? I feel like I'm missing out on some stories cause I'm not reading everything. I'm only buying the one's I like.

I'm wondering about this too, because I think they have some Earth 2 books now? I haven't read very much of new 52.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 09:58:28 PM
well, Earth 2 has been part of DC mythology for ages. It's basically just a separate dimension where the Golden Age versions of the DC characters could hang out.
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Post by: Yeti on March 11, 2013, 11:19:20 PM
Is this new "New 52" Earth 2 a continuation of the old Earth 2 (which itself was a continuation of golden age superhero adventures) or is it a reboot kind of thing?

This whole New 52 has been very confusing on what all has been a reboot and what is a holdover to the old continuity. Like I think Green Lanterns and some (not all?) of the Batman books are continuations of the old continuity? And then Superman and Justice Leagues are reboots? Then there are ones like the Outsiders that half follow the old continuity (Red Hood's origin) half do reboot (Starfire seems to have nothing to do with her old Teen Titan self, and no idea if Red Arrow has anything do with his old Green Arrow version).

It just seems dumb to me that they went through this major reboot but then only half assed it and now things seem way more convoluted than they ever were.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 11, 2013, 11:22:20 PM
Is this new "New 52" Earth 2 a continuation of the old Earth 2 (which itself was a continuation of golden age superhero adventures) or is it a reboot kind of thing?

It's a reboot. It has some of the same characters, but they're now younger and/or gayer.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 11, 2013, 11:44:48 PM
Earth 2 is a clean reboot.

The deal with Morrison's Batman and Johns' GL is simply that they were popular, in the middle of long convoluted storylines, and were written by DC's most bankable talents (at the time). They simply had the clout to ensure that their books didn't get fucked with and thus got to keep their continuity. Basically every other book is a reboot that sort of tiptoes around those other books (the tightrope walking that Pete Tomasi does between Snyder's Batman and Morrison's Batman Inc is something to behold).

I don't really think  DC has enough good books to justify making any kind of effort to understand this stuff though. Tied-in storylines CAN make a bad book better but they will never make it good.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 12, 2013, 12:11:41 AM


I also think Fatale is kinda screwed. Brubaker soon writing for computer game plots, it won't end well, just look what happened to Keiron Gillen.
That's a shame to hear. I just ordered the first trade on a whim.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2013, 12:23:56 AM
I still really enjoy Fatale - they have opened it up a lot in the interests of making it an ongoing. Best read in trade though I think
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Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2013, 12:34:57 AM
It just seems dumb to me that they went through this major reboot but then only half assed it and now things seem way more convoluted than they ever were.
I'm sure the New 52's Crisis On Infinite Earths, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis and Final Crisis will clear all this up.

:-\

Speaking of needless and pointless revisioning, I finally got around to reading the rest of Marvel's The Twelve. As I read I pictured J. Michael Straczynski locking all the doors to his house, putting on a long fake beard and wig, lighting a pentagram-shaped arrangement of candles, and muttering to himself "So what happens now, Alan?" as he sits down at his desk to type.

Seriously, it's fascinating how badly the dude wants to be Alan Moore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_(comics)
Wait, so this was actually finished after all?

I actually thought it could be a neat premise until basically nothing happened for like eight issues and then it disappeared for two years or whatever.

This was the state he supposedly left Grounded in:
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When I signed on in October of last year, they gave me a one-page... you could charitably call it an outline, written by Straczynski where he saw the remaining issues going. I think it was drafted at a point where he assumed he'd be writing them. So this is what he's giving DC Editorial to draft solicitation copy. Apparently, at some point after that, before Superman: Earth One has come out, Straczynski decides that the monthly books don't matter anymore because he knows there's a relaunch coming, so he can comfortably quit and let somebody else finish the story for him. When given this one-page outline, it was with the context that "here's where we were going to go, use of it what you want and do your own stuff," and basically the only things I was beholden to were to have Superman go to each of eight towns and eight cities in each of the issues, Superman is walking from East to West, and in issue 708, Wonder Woman shows up, and in 709, the Flash shows up. Beyond that, everything you see on the page is mine.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 12, 2013, 03:53:56 AM
I still really enjoy Fatale - they have opened it up a lot in the interests of making it an ongoing. Best read in trade though I think
The first tranche I thought was really strong, but it seems to have become listless as the story progresses.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 12, 2013, 04:00:38 AM
i confess i let it sit unread in my comixology stack for 3 months, but when I did read 10-12, i enjoyed 'em, especially the Joan of Arc-ish flashback
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Post by: bork on March 12, 2013, 01:54:19 PM
New 52 Earth 2 also takes place in two books and focuses mainly on the following characters:

-Green Lantern (Alan Scott, now gay, so his kids no longer exist).
-The Flash (Jay Garrick, now a teenager)
-Hawkgirl
-Dr. Fate
-Steppenwolf (One of Darkseid's generals, trapped on Earth)
-Fury (Wonder Woman's daughter, not sure if this is supposed to be Donna Troy.  Evil.)
-Powergirl (Earth 2's Supergirl)
-Huntress (Earth 2's Robin; daughter of Batman and Catwoman)

The biggest difference between the mainstream DC Earth and Earth 2 is that Darkseid's forces invaded Earth and a huge war happened, with 95% of all the superheroes and villains getting wiped out.  The series starts with new super humans popping up to replace them.  Powergirl and Huntress have their own book, World's Finest, and were transported to the mainstream Earth.  Mr. Terrific from the mainstream Earth was also transported to Earth 2 but they haven't focused on him yet.
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Post by: Yeti on March 12, 2013, 08:25:47 PM
So it's like an ongoing Elseworlds? That could be kind of interesting, I usually like Elseworld stories.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 13, 2013, 02:04:20 AM
So I just got my first Absolute book(Batman and Robin) and man this thing is very nice. Sadly, this is probably the nicest comic book I own now.

Anyway, I'm about to be finished with Batman R.I.P. Should I get Battle for The Cowl? I know it just adds some details and may not be important to the Morrison story, but was it good?
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Post by: parallax on March 13, 2013, 02:06:34 AM
So it's like an ongoing Elseworlds? That could be kind of interesting, I usually like Elseworld stories.

no, more like coie part two.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 02:26:08 AM
So I just got my first Absolute book(Batman and Robin) and man this thing is very nice. Sadly, this is probably the nicest comic book I own now.

Anyway, I'm about to be finished with Batman R.I.P. Should I get Battle for The Cowl? I know it just adds some details and may not be important to the Morrison story, but was it good?

I have like 10 Absolutes but passed on that one 'cause I have it all in HC anyway and the Philip Tan stuff is just so ugly. You both can and should skip Battle for the Cowl, it's meaningless filler and not good.

I remembered that I actually have the Black Glove HC we talked about and went through it again over the last week :lol

Next up after R.I.P is probably Final Crisis? I have the Absolute for that and it's gorgeous
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 13, 2013, 02:36:12 AM
Yes I remember Tan from the Chuck Austin run on Uncanny X-Men and how ugly the art work was. When I saw that he was doing some of the Batman stuff, I couldn't believe he had more work after X-men. Especially since I thought the wana be manga fad had ended.

As for Final Crisis. While I'm aware that it has some important plot points, I was just going to skip it. I don't know anything about DC continuity, outside of a few Batman stories. I guess if its good I'd try it, I mean the Internet can help explain anything, but I've read some wiki articles on the Crisis story lines and it just seems a bit overwhelming.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 03:08:59 AM
Crisis is overwhelming but tbh all the Morrison Bats between now and Batman and Robin 1 is pretty crazy. Reading Final Crisis is not necessarily going to make Return of Bruce Wayne comprehensible but without it you're probably fucked :lol

Anyway, I had a pretty good grasp on all this stuff (had one very memorable night in a pub when a friend asked me to explain it all to him after he'd read it - took about an hour) so will be happy to answer any questions. There is a lot of deliberate ambiguity baked into it though - particularly exactly who or what Hurt is
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Post by: chronovore on March 13, 2013, 03:10:40 AM
I'll have you run through the summary for me when we hit Devilcraft again.

I stocked up on stuff during Comixology's big sale last week, or the one before. Finally getting around to Batman, Inc. -- two issues in, starting in Japan with Mister Unknown, I'm a little underwhelmed.
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Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2013, 03:30:30 AM
As for Final Crisis. While I'm aware that it has some important plot points, I was just going to skip it. I don't know anything about DC continuity, outside of a few Batman stories. I guess if its good I'd try it, I mean the Internet can help explain anything, but I've read some wiki articles on the Crisis story lines and it just seems a bit overwhelming.

I somewhat think you can read Final Crisis without the DC continuity better in some respects. Especially since Morrison reaches back into everything he's ever read two panels of.

I'd think all you need to know about it really is that there was a past crisis that collapsed the multiverse into one universe, then another that split it back into multiple ones, this all happened during the "Fourth World" of these New Gods. Final Crisis is the transition to the Fifth World and this places the multiverse into danger. (Because of some shit related to the prior crisis stuff.) Also, Darkseid is a jerk.

I think you can paper over some stuff with "bad guy's secret plot" or "super evil power" and get it. Especially if you're reading it just to get the Batman stuff.

Everything else is to just add weight when you know the characters and why this specific whatever is so awesome or horrible or whatever.

Sorta related comment, I liked all the spin-off stuff more than Infinite Crisis itself. The OMAC Project was, in particular, more of a "frightening" situation. (And 52 was a way better story.)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 03:53:06 AM
Well, you sorta need to know about the time bullet and Darkseid's Hyperadapter for Return of Bruce Wayne/Batman and Robin but admittedly these account for about 2 panels in FC
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Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2013, 03:57:51 AM
Oh, I didn't mean for the Batman stuff sans FC, I was responding to Rahx's lamentations about reading FC without the DC continuity background. I was thinking that if you read it for the Batman stuff, plus any story, you could probably get it well enough to understand what's happening without needing to know the history of the New Gods and Crisis, especially the Batman part.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 04:02:48 AM
The continuity is less of a barrier than the complexity of the plot and the splintered narrative style - people think they're missing continuity information they need but in most cases they're not, they're just not piecing it together properly.

Re-reading the Black Glove HC is interesting...with hindsight it's all pretty straightforward up to the Joe Chill story. Even that, I think I can see the point of every single part of it. When I first read it, I was baffled and bored by it
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Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2013, 04:13:18 AM
Yeah, that's why I think you can read Final Crisis without it, it's the storytelling that's more confusing. Much more disconnected than Crisis-Zero Hour-Infinite Crisis are.

Have you seen The Black Casebook with Morrison's intro essay? It has a collection of some odder stories from the 50s/60s he references throughout the run. I saw it at the library a few months back and didn't even know it had ever come out, and it got me to read Morrison's run again. I had actually read a number of these as a kid in other collections, including one of those Greatest Stories Ever Told collections they used to do, and never even realized he was referencing some of them when I read it his run the first couple times.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 04:29:37 AM
haven't read it but will check it out. I've looked up scans of a few bits and pieces from it though. If you really want to see some Morrison/Golden Age references though, check out the Brave and the Bold ep set on Zur en Arrh :lol  It is really quite amazing
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Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2013, 04:44:03 AM
It's just those old stories and he has a few page intro essay where he discusses them. I'm not sure it's worth buying but it was alright to thumb through from the library and see how he reinterpreted those wacky old stories so he could put them in modern Batman.

I was meaning to look into Brave and the Bold in general.

I took a greater appreciation for Morrison when I read through his Animal Man and Doom Patrol finally. For some reason I've "got" his Batman more because of Doom Patrol than I did from his JLA. (Which was all I read the first time into his Batman and R.I.P.) Then going back and re-reading the run after what happened in Batman and Robin and into Inc. makes the whole thing make more sense, so it may just be that.

EDIT: As you just noted.  :lol
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Post by: ManaByte on March 13, 2013, 09:54:41 AM
The DKR reference was :lol

And the entire Aquaman episode was amazing.
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Post by: Eric P on March 13, 2013, 11:45:11 AM
krypto, the grimdarkwonderdog
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lGrkJ5pJBtQ/UT59cg9uwdI/AAAAAAAAlbA/LDsdYHTo4j8/s1600/SB_Cv21.jpg)
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 13, 2013, 11:50:00 AM
did they gene-splice him with a sabretooth tiger
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2013, 12:24:37 PM
Looks like he was irradiated with red kryptonite, which if I remember from Superman #347, turns you into a werewolf.
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Post by: bork on March 13, 2013, 12:35:48 PM
Joe  :lol
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Post by: bork on March 13, 2013, 12:40:51 PM
I started reading the New 52 Superman again recently.  Skipped to the issues by the new creative of team of Lobdell and Roccafort, since the stuff before that was pretty boring.  Their first issue was #0, which focuses on Superman's parents right before Krypton blows up.  Jor-El is the same, I guess, but WTF did Lobdell do to everyone else?  Supe's mother is an ex-military martial arts bad ass, dressed like a whore, and even though Jor-El comes up with a potential way to save the planet, rather than have his claims dismissed, he is instead attacked by assassins from a death cult who want the planet to blow up.  All of this is done to set up the future appearance of another villain called The Oracle. 

This flashback then ends with Superman watching everything, saying that he was there.   :lol ??? ???

They've also taken Helspont, the old WildCATs villain, and made him some near-immortal (Marvel character) Apocalpyse wannabe who is very familiar with Krypton and the house of El.   :yuck

Next up is the Hel On Earth storyline, which pits Superman, Superboy, and Supergirl against a guy who appears to be the evil emo version of Superman.
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Post by: ManaByte on March 13, 2013, 12:53:42 PM
He'l is basically the New 52 Bizarro. The crossover wasn't bad except for the WTF shit with Supergirl.
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Post by: bork on March 13, 2013, 01:14:59 PM
He'l is basically the New 52 Bizarro.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/1/1d/ClassicBizarro.PNG/216px-ClassicBizarro.PNG)

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(http://comicbooked.comicbookedllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Hel-on-Earth.png)

 ??? ??? ??? ???


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The crossover wasn't bad except for the WTF shit with Supergirl.

What WTF shit?
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Post by: ManaByte on March 13, 2013, 01:38:37 PM
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Up until the very last issue she fell for He'l and went along with all his WTF crazy plans.
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Post by: bork on March 13, 2013, 02:04:02 PM
Makes sense.  From the issues I've read (up to #10), Supergirl is a crazy bitch.   :lol
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 10:42:12 PM
The DKR reference was :lol

And the entire Aquaman episode was amazing.

my daughter has watched that ep a thousand times, a THOUSAND. By far the best incarnation of Aquaman ever - Incredible Underwater Hercules voiced by Brian Blessed
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 13, 2013, 10:50:15 PM
hey Wolverine #1 is GOOD, shocking. I like Paul Cornell generally - he has a wild imagination and skills - but I really didn't think fucking Wolverine would be a good book for him. But it totally works.

That said, it's a zippy read for 3.99. I am very tempted to go on this Marvel digital all-you-can-eat plan and just read everything 6 months late - it's the same as waiting for the trade basically.
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Post by: ManaByte on March 14, 2013, 12:32:19 AM
Yea it was really good. Especially considering how shitty the Wolverine has been in the solo book prior to AvX.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 01:07:46 AM
Panel of the Week?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BFSt2PeCMAA3ADi.jpg:large)
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Post by: chronovore on March 14, 2013, 08:59:20 AM
Walking Dead? I'm behind on that series.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 14, 2013, 10:20:06 AM
it has been revitalized since the appearance of Negan (the titty ping pong perp above), IMHO. He completely monopolizes the book when he has the stage. I think he's one of those rare characters that the author can't control because they just love writing them so much. And the audience loves to hate them so much.
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Post by: ManaByte on March 15, 2013, 12:34:56 PM
So everyone always loves to say how Marvel outsells DC every month. This is only because the numbers are cooked in Marvel's favor due to how they make shops order the books through Diamond.

Let's use DC as an example. To get a DC variant, shops only need to order a certain number of copies. Want the 1 in 100 sketch variant? Just order 100 copies.

DC also allows shops to tear the cover off unsold issues and return them for about 65% of the value if they want to.

Marvel on the other hand works differently. In addition to not allowing any books back once they've been ordered, the way they work their variants ensures that their numbers through Diamond are always high. Want a Skottie Young baby variant? Ok, then your order for that issue has to be anywhere from 125%-175% larger than your order for the previous issues. Can't sell that many? Too bad, they go in your back issue bin.

My shop usually always sells through their DC issues quickly and ends up with more Marvel going into backstock simply because Marvel makes them order a lot more books for the variants.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 15, 2013, 01:13:02 PM
so, Marvel cooks the books by requiring stores to buy more copies of their comics, thus selling more copies of their comics

that is some nefarious bookkeeping
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Post by: Yeti on March 15, 2013, 09:41:37 PM
Why do they have to tear the cover off to return it? Seems like a waste. DC should donate those unused comics to children's hospitals, troops overseas, orphanariums, etc.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on March 16, 2013, 03:44:39 AM
if you like absurdist humor, i highly recommend Michael Kupperman's Tales Designed to Thrizzle

http://www.fantagraphics.com/browse-shop/tales-designed-to-thrizzle-3.html?vmcchk=1

It's one of those things where you KNOW the non-sequitur is coming...and it just cracks you up anyway. It regularly has me bent double

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Post by: Eric P on March 16, 2013, 08:21:17 AM
he used to dress up as Mark Twain and go to the Twain house and give bullshit speeches and facts to tourists.

We saw him perform as Twain for the release of the Twain autobiography book he did.  It was really hilarious.

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Post by: Momo on March 16, 2013, 11:03:30 AM
So after not having followed much of the new 52 stuff, I feel I want to get back into it. Which books do I need to read to get the best overall picture and which are the best books to read?
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Post by: Yeti on March 16, 2013, 06:46:29 PM
I haven't read very far, but I think All Star Western and the Batman Night of the Owls have been really good, so I would be comfortable recommending those. The other ones I'm either not familiar enough with, there would be several caveats to my recommendation, or they are outright horrible.
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Post by: ManaByte on March 16, 2013, 08:37:55 PM
All Star Western was cancelled IIRC.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 16, 2013, 10:28:25 PM
Justice League is kind of the marquee title, but a lot of people hate it. :lol It's kind of BIG HOLLYWOOD MOVIE! in comic form. Batman is Batman, he hasn't really changed much in New 52, but the Bat books are all pretty solid.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 17, 2013, 12:03:47 AM
All Star Western was cancelled IIRC.

It wasn't all that great once they started cramming DCU continuity into it. The previous Jonah Hex title was much better.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 17, 2013, 06:35:45 AM
just finished the third volume (of 5) of Manhunter and it's really cool. i enjoy the fringe elements of the character and setting and it moves away from "DC's Punisher" fairly quickly and becomes a solid drama series which just happens to involve a woman in tights.  though the book exists at the height of DC Continuity fuckery (Countdown, various Crises, etc) it just chugs along with nary a care for what's happening in DCU proper.  Volume 3 opens with one of the coolest comic stories I think I've ever read.  Manhunter has cobbled her costume together from the evidence room of a police station and the issue goes into how those various elements got into the evidence room in the first place, a fun combination of both cosmic and street level mini stories fills the comic book.  Good fun comics.  Highly recommended thus far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 17, 2013, 06:12:59 PM
'Manhunter' sounds like a thirsty reluctant lesbian.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on March 17, 2013, 06:19:18 PM
DC seems to have a thing for manhunters. They have the Martian Manhunter, The Manhunters that preceded the Green Lanterns, and now this new Manhunter.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 17, 2013, 06:20:55 PM
American Vampire is seriously average, King was either drinking gin, molesting his step-daughter, or was just arse-lazing. All of the above apply to S King, which is part of his genius. Most of his books are utterly too long, which is why his shots were always just so much better.

Short stories are really hard to do well; Graham Greene, Maugham, Graves, Saki are few who excellent.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on March 19, 2013, 05:21:25 PM
Thanks for the recommends :heart
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2013, 09:02:10 AM
got the Hawkeye trade yesterday and it is EXCELLENT.  really fun comics, but the Young Avengers issue included was way too continuity heavy for me to really grasp what was happening.  Hawkeye was a ninja in hiding because....something?  and he posed as a hansome cab driver?  and the young avengers who got on the cart didn't notice this guy was literally wearing armor and a mask under his tophat and cape?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 20, 2013, 08:39:17 PM
Haven't seen that - writer/artist?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 20, 2013, 09:55:56 PM
the young avengers presents was issue #5 or something.  included in the book because it's the first time Clint and his protege actually meet. 

http://everydayislikewednesday.blogspot.com/2013/02/young-avengers-catch-up-young-avengers.html


This story features Kate on a date with Patriot, when they are suddenly attacked by their horse-drawn carriage driver—Ronin in a top hat!
Does that bring back memories? Ronin? Remember Ronin? "He" was a mysterious ninja in a vest character from the beginning of Bendis' New Avengers run that was either supposed to be A) Daredevil or back-from-the-dead Hawkeye (one of the first violations of then-EIC Quesada's vow that dead would mean dead while he was in charge) in a disguise who was later changed to Echo-in-a-padded man suit because too many people too easily guessed the surprise or B) was meant to be Echo all along, but artist David Finch either didn't know it and thus drew Ronin as a big hulking man or just sort of sucked at drawing.

Anyway, Ronin was at this point Clint Barton, and he challenged Hawkeye to visit the New Avengers' secret base to have an archery contest over possession of her bow, which was his bow, but Captain America gave it to her while Clint was temporarily dead, but now Clint was alive and Captain America was temporarily dead, so he wanted his bow back (Jesus, I guess these stories are all a lot more complicated than I thought while reading; I guess a good way to tell just how Byzantine continuity is in a particular super-comic is to try summarizing it in a few paragraphs).

Davis and Farmer's art is really nice, as smooth and dynamic as always, although they dress the boys like they're grown-up stock brokers on dates: Patriot wears a suit and tie, Speed a blazer.
I liked Kate's second dress though, which featured the same pattern as one of Hawkeye's goofier costumes.

Fraction's script is pretty clever, and the Hawkeyes sound like they would a few years later in Hawkeye; the comic is much more straightforward in construction and lay-out though, and offers a nice indication of exactly what it is that David Aja is bringing to the table in Hawkeye (that, and/or it's an indication of the difference in Fraction's writing the just sixth-issue of an anthology series versus scripting his own series).

It made me kind of which Fraction was writing the new Young Avengers, or at least got to write these characters at some length somewhere between then and now.

It also made me wish that instead of titling Hawkeye Hawkguy, Marvel instead changed the name to either Hawkeyes or Hawkguys.

It also also made me dread the possibility that the two Hawkeyes might hook up at some point. The first issue of Young Avengers has Kate musing on how hot Bucky is and Patriot admonishing her that "he is way too old for you", and this final issue certainly demonstrates how teenage the Young Avengers are versus how middle-aged the New Avengers are (even if Hawkeye and his peers are drawn more like twenty-somethings than the thirty- or forty-somethings they probably actually are...I'm 35, but was in junior high during the Gulf War, which I think has replaced Vietnam as a time-marker in the Marvel Universe sliding timeline...or has it slid to Afghanistan already? Because that seems too drastic a slide...)

Anyway, she's only 18 now right? That would be legal but gross Fraction—don't do it!

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gonyjK40AJY/UQ8dVuKzL4I/AAAAAAAAkhQ/EA06YHUl2Hk/s1600/ronintophat.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 08:17:49 AM
I picked up this woman's work at the Brooklyn Comics and Illustration Expo and it is awesome.  I'm happy to see her getting accolades.  It's very rare that i feel something is transgressive in horror but she just absolutely nails it over and over and over again.  Also, lots of hot man on man action

http://www.tcj.com/reviews/black-is-the-color/

As befits a comic that mostly takes place in a rowboat going nowhere in the middle of the ocean, Black Is the Color frequently collapses time and space into one another. Often its two-panel rows, or indeed entire pages, will depict a contiguous space split between the panels, the passage of time conveyed by the movement of your eye from one panel to the next within that space. Clouds drift and morph; a lonely cabin looks out over the sea; a storm descends over multiple pages, dwarfing a lone doomed ship; merfolk make idle chatter while watching men burn and drown; a mermaid descends through fronds of seaweed after leaving her dying lover to the daylight. Cartoonist Julia Gfrörer deploys a battery of tricks to get it all done—a skillful use of tangent lines; visual echoes between sea and clouds, hair and flora; clever perspectival shifts in the bottom rows of some of these six-panel pages, creating the illusion of great depth of field within the larger page; enough hatching in the bravura storm sequence to create a level of visual noise that would do a hybrid of Brian Chippendale and Tony Millionaire proud—but the overall effect remains the same: Set adrift so that his crewmates can survive off his share of their meager provisions, an unfortunate sailor called Warren is trapped in a long dying moment.

you can read her work here http://studygroupcomics.com/main/black-is-the-color-by-julia-gfrorer/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 21, 2013, 09:02:57 AM
Study Group is pretty amazing. Kinda want them to do comixology releases for convenience though, even if they have to charge a few bucks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2013, 10:16:31 AM
Right now I'm reading:

Vampi an anime-inspired, cyberpunk reboot of Vampirella by David Conrad and Kevin Lau

Daughters of the Dragon: Samurai Bullets a duo of bondswomen track down supervillains that have jumped bail by Gray/Palmiotti
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 21, 2013, 10:31:20 AM
Nova may be the best thing Jeph Loeb has written in a decade. It's a better Spider-Man than Spider-Man is after Dan Slott destroyed the book. Issue 2 was great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 10:36:29 AM
read the first volume of the new Captain Marvel last night and loved it.  I hated the dexter soy artwork they started with and love the Emma Rios's sketchy scratchy art it ended with.  It's unfortunate that the book can't maintain a good artist because looking over the 6 issues that have been released it looks like they are still ping ponging artists.

Also Amazon had the first volume of Archer and Armstrong for $5 so i grabbed it.  Really enjoyed it.  Very goofy but still quite fun,
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 10:56:04 AM
mainstream media comics spoilers ahoy again!

CORMAC NO LOOK

age of ultron spoilers within and they're weird.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
In “Age of Ultron,” a story currently being published by Marvel Comics, the Avengers and their allies are on the ropes against their archenemy Ultron, an artificial intelligence who has taken over the world. The story concludes in June and will feature a special guest star: the angel Angela, a character created by the writer Neil Gaiman and the artist Todd McFarlane for “Spawn,” published by Image Comics.
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 With so many big stories spoiled by the media (with the willing cooperation of the comic book companies) lately, Axel Alonso, the editor in chief of Marvel Comics, insisted the revelation of XXXXXXX did not count as a spoiler.

oh, i see.  comics people have no idea what spoilers actually are.  this explains much,
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 21, 2013, 10:58:06 AM
Yea that was a big WTF? for today. Especially since that character will be appearing in another book after that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 21, 2013, 01:55:13 PM
Right now I'm reading:

Vampi an anime-inspired, cyberpunk reboot of Vampirella by David Conrad and Kevin Lau

I remember this garbage.  It's like they did everything possible to rip-off all the popular cyberpunk stuff at the time, like GiTS and The Matrix.  They even had photos of artist Kevin Lau dressed up like Neo.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 21, 2013, 02:34:26 PM


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In “Age of Ultron,” a story currently being published by Marvel Comics, the Avengers and their allies are on the ropes against their archenemy Ultron, an artificial intelligence who has taken over the world. The story concludes in June and will feature a special guest star: the angel Angela, a character created by the writer Neil Gaiman and the artist Todd McFarlane for “Spawn,” published by Image Comics.
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WHA?  HUH?  UH?   :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy

IIRC there was some dispute over who owned the character. 
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Gaiman won and Angela was erased from Image continuity.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2013, 02:35:37 PM
Right now I'm reading:

Vampi an anime-inspired, cyberpunk reboot of Vampirella by David Conrad and Kevin Lau

I remember this garbage.  It's like they did everything possible to rip-off all the popular cyberpunk stuff at the time, like GiTS and The Matrix.  They even had photos of artist Kevin Lau dressed up like Neo.   :lol

It's pretty awesome, though! I mean, if you go knowing exactly what to expect [which isn't hard], it's fun in that everything-is-totally-ridiculous way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 02:36:44 PM
(http://www.cactusbud.com/Thumbnails/VAMPI.jpg)
i see
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 21, 2013, 02:36:55 PM
Sure, I guess?  From what I remember of it, it goes downhill pretty quickly and the original creative team left.  Not sure if the series even finished.  People bought it because Kevin Lau's art was kind of a big thing for a little bit.

Meanwhile the current Vampirella comics are pretty awful.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 02:38:07 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/vampi.jpg)

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:nsfw
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 21, 2013, 02:38:11 PM
(http://www.cactusbud.com/Thumbnails/VAMPI.jpg)
i see

Amazingly, she is actually more-clothed than the regular Vampirella!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 02:39:08 PM
i remember being in a comic club in middle school and someone brought in a vampirella magazine.

it was quickly banned

 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 21, 2013, 02:40:42 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/vampi.jpg)

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:nsfw

LOL 90s.  You can see how much of a GiTS Kusanagi design rip-off that is, too.   :lol

Of all the "bad-girl" characters, Vampirella was easily the one whose (lack of) costume always baffled me.  She was usually depicted as just going around small town, baring all, and no one batted an eye.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 21, 2013, 04:19:26 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.panelsonpages.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/vampi.jpg)

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:nsfw

Taking a page out of Masamune-sama's book! :bow

And I've got the first omnibus of Vampi, which includes the first 18 issues. That's probably all I'll ever buy [or want].
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 21, 2013, 05:30:59 PM
Man,  DC does not seem to have their house in order.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 21, 2013, 05:40:12 PM
yeah that shit crazy

fridge the black guy!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on March 21, 2013, 05:45:10 PM
They already fridged Asian Atom and Hispanic Blue Beetle... Time to whitewash the rest!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 21, 2013, 07:24:39 PM
They were probably going to kill him off and bring him back in Earth 2 as gay.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
In Earth 2, the lantern ring makes you gaaaaaay
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on March 21, 2013, 09:47:27 PM
Who did they "fridge"? References to "the black guy" and green lantern rings is making me think John Stewart.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 24, 2013, 07:02:49 PM
Comixology is having a 99¢ sale on John Constantine: Hellblazer. Which writer had the best run? Fabry, Ellis, or someone else?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 24, 2013, 07:16:38 PM
Who did they "fridge"? References to "the black guy" and green lantern rings is making me think John Stewart.

basically

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/21/fialkov-left-dc-comics-over-plans-to-kill-off-john-stewart-dcs-black-green-lantern/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 24, 2013, 07:18:02 PM
Comixology is having a 99¢ sale on John Constantine: Hellblazer. Which writer had the best run? Fabry, Ellis, or someone else?

i'm a huge fan of the original delano run.
my first run was the Ennis books and I think it holds up to this day.  I stopped around issue 200 or so making me not that well versed in some well regarded "modern" stuff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 24, 2013, 07:19:00 PM
I tldr'd that, but I did notice the horrible art on the leading side.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on March 24, 2013, 07:19:21 PM
He looks like a Jew golem.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 24, 2013, 07:31:08 PM
Comixology is having a 99¢ sale on John Constantine: Hellblazer. Which writer had the best run? Fabry, Ellis, or someone else?

i'm a huge fan of the original delano run.
my first run was the Ennis books and I think it holds up to this day.  I stopped around issue 200 or so making me not that well versed in some well regarded "modern" stuff

Hah, thanks! I've been rereading Preacher, so I had Ennis/Fabry in my brain, coin toss came up tails, should'a been heads. I'll bag some Delano stuff and give it a shot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 24, 2013, 08:01:12 PM
the first 7 are pretty good and makes up the TBP original sin
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 24, 2013, 08:57:49 PM
Who did they "fridge"? References to "the black guy" and green lantern rings is making me think John Stewart.

basically

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/03/21/fialkov-left-dc-comics-over-plans-to-kill-off-john-stewart-dcs-black-green-lantern/

Quote
Such was the popularity of that incarnation that when Ryan Reynolds was announced as the star of the Green Lantern movie, much of the online response was outraged that he was being played by a white actor.

LOL, did this really happen? I must have slept through this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 24, 2013, 09:54:15 PM
I was very tempted to bag the entire Hellblazer run but stopped at Delano, Ennis, Carey and Milligan. The first two I have read (in monthlies no less, was on that shit from day one). Looking forward to a re-read and checking out Carey/Milligan
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 25, 2013, 05:54:39 AM
I went through the first two years' worth, kept going... will pause to read a few before continuing my spending spree.

The art in the Warren Ellis stuff seems really out of place.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 25, 2013, 07:55:53 AM
Fuck my goddamned thumbs, I ended up buying through issue #71, through the end of Tainted Love. Hellblazer, I am your bitch.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 25, 2013, 08:36:19 AM
I wrapped up the final Manhunter trade over the weekend and wow what a series.  You could tell it was going to die because it was just too weird. It really reminded me of Alias and not just because of the art, but rather because of the lead character.  Absolutely loved it, until the final two "we're cancelling your series, wrap it up" issues which jumped the series 15 years into the future.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on March 25, 2013, 10:25:37 PM
ugh, I hate time jumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 25, 2013, 11:09:45 PM
I wrapped up the final Manhunter trade over the weekend and wow what a series.  You could tell it was going to die because it was just too weird. It really reminded me of Alias and not just because of the art, but rather because of the lead character.  Absolutely loved it, until the final two "we're cancelling your series, wrap it up" issues which jumped the series 15 years into the future.

yeah, i liked it a lot back in the day. There was that essential whiff of real consequence to it, so rare in DC stuff.

You might want to watch out for the Dark Horse reissue of Dan Jolley's Bloodhound, which was a broadly similar DC series from ages back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 26, 2013, 03:52:31 PM
Holy shit. The Deadpool script Fox won't film is FUCKING AWESOME. FUCK FOX FOR NOT MAKING THIS:

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Quote
DEADPOOL (to the thugs)
You're probably wondering. Why the red suit? It's so if you shoot me, you can't see me bleed.
(points to thug)
This guy has the idea. He wore the brown pants
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spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
COLOSSUS
with qualities like yours, you
could have joined us. Been a super- hero.
DEADPOOL
Tell ya what. The day I decide to
become a crime-fighting shit- swizzler who rooms with 44 other little whiners at the Neverland mansion of some creepy old bald Heavens-Gate-Iooking mother- fucker ••• on that day ••• I'll send your shiny, happy ass a friend request. 'Til then, I'm gonna do
what I came here to. Either that or slap the bitch outta you.
(off Colossus's frown) That count as quietly?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 28, 2013, 09:35:22 AM
Ooo, I want this:

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/513%2Bfh34ibL.jpg)

It has every tie-in issue, even the Booster Gold one that came out 10 years later.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 28, 2013, 02:22:26 PM
how stylized?

there's Warhead but I'm really enjoying Attack on Titan which is crazy stylized manga and is very very good

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2013, 07:52:41 PM
Orc Stain, Multiple Warheads, King City perhaps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 28, 2013, 07:55:54 PM
none of those are really ongoing but that's arty comics for you.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2013, 04:17:31 AM
http://www.comixology.com/Zaucer-of-Zilk/comics-series/8842

http://www.comixology.com/Sharknife/comics-series/8018

http://www.comixology.com/7-Miles-A-Second/digital-comic/OCT121088

http://www.comixology.com/Bottomless-Belly-Button/digital-comic/MAR083712

http://www.comixology.com/Tales-Designed-To-Thrizzle/comics-series/2497

style for days
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 29, 2013, 09:37:01 AM
oh both Prophet and Glory are stylized and dope
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 29, 2013, 01:11:17 PM
There are better arguments to be had, like who would win in a mud wrestling fight between Power Girl and Miss Martian?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 29, 2013, 01:39:47 PM
miss martian, because she can shapeshift to wha.... wait a minute

confession; i really like Young Justice and i'm sad to see it go
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on March 29, 2013, 05:13:31 PM
I also liked Young Justice, but it seemed to have such a weird airdate schedule with random lengthy hiatuses.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 29, 2013, 11:25:31 PM
well Rick Remender sure lost some goodwill this week
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 30, 2013, 08:12:21 AM
i just read the heat and as always the reaction to the controversy is worse than the controversy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2013, 01:04:06 PM
i just read the heat and as always the reaction to the controversy is worse than the controversy
What is the controversy. Can't be because of Uncanny Avengers?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on March 30, 2013, 02:51:16 PM
http://4thletter.net/2013/03/uncanny-avengers-x-men-rick-remender-and-oppression-comix/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 30, 2013, 06:08:34 PM
I thought the issue was ok and I see what Remender was going for. You know, mutants should be part of regular society and not separated from being part of the human race, but I guess he didn't get that mutants isn't really the negative word here.

I don't know, I liked Uncanny X-Force and it was the first thing I read when I got back into X-men, which really seems to have been meh since New X-men. But yeah Uncanny Avengers has been meh. But whatever, that seems to be the thing with the X-men books today. Who gives a crap about trying to understand the material! Just let the writers write! Now I've enjoyed some of the recent stories, but I won't say there has'nt been some disregard for whats come before from people like Bendis. Still ok stuff though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on March 30, 2013, 09:52:23 PM
I was initially ok with it as a counterpoint to Scott being militantly pro-mutant, but when it was pointed out to me that Remender considers Alex his avatar in the series, and then Remender got so vicious with his response and posted NOFX's 'Don't call me white', it is hard not to see it as his actual real-world viewpoint on minorities - that they should all just STFU and assimilate. Which is perhaps not the WORST viewpoint anyone ever had on minorities, it's not the best either.

Then again, it is serial fiction and it is always possible that Rogue etc will call Alex on his shit in coming issues and maybe the issue will get worked through sensibly (and squeezed for maximum drama too...).

That said though, 'die in hobo piss if you dun like it' is a really shitty response to one's fanbase
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on March 30, 2013, 09:58:59 PM
So today we messed with Rob Liefeld at Wondercon.

(http://i.imgur.com/CkALB2o.jpg)
Back when The Infinite #1 came out, my friend (who owns the local comic shop) drew feet on the blank variant cover as a joke. Another friend bought the issue and decided he was going to see if Rob Liefeld would sign it.

So today we got in line for him at Wondercon and didn't know how he'd react. Either he'd refuse to do it or be a good sport. My friend was willing to offer him $20 to do it if he refused.

We were about fourth in line, and when we saw it he was like..."What's this? (sarcastic) Oh, that's hilarious." He got a bit pissed, but signed it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqFbAZRkfZo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 31, 2013, 05:50:14 AM
The fact that he signed it has raised my impression of him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 01, 2013, 10:53:22 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2cEvFDJl40

:bow D Piddy :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 01, 2013, 03:53:51 PM
i'm home sick so i'm wrapping up some comical books

Saga vol 1. - awesome and funny and surreal.  almost makes me want to read it monthly so i can stay on top of it

Batman vol2 Court of the Owls - i had read this monthly but didn't read the Annual.  I don't know that i liked Snyder's take on Mr Freeze and it makes me wonder why the hell wayne industries is just flat out keeping a woman in cold storage if they won't let anyone try to revive her.  also i really liked the possible new robin in Harper Row, at least for the one issue in which she appeared

attack on titan 4- i really love how he takes One Piece's style of really rubbery cartooning and puts it into an incredibly depressing war manga.  crazy stuff and i absolutely love it.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 01, 2013, 04:00:32 PM
Just read East of West. So awesome.

And it isn't a five issue mini-series. Dragotta said at his Wondercon table that it was solicited wrong and it's on-going.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 01, 2013, 04:01:57 PM
oh i also read the first two volumes of I, Vampire and really enjoyed it.  it's a shame that the "dark" DCU stuff isn't doing that awesome, because when it's done well (like here and Animal Man), it's very cool stuff.

and i tried to read the bendis X-Men book and hated it.

Aside from Captain Marvel and Hawkeye is there anything worthwhile in Marvel town?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 01, 2013, 04:03:48 PM
oh i also read the first two volumes of I, Vampire and really enjoyed it.  it's a shame that the "dark" DCU stuff isn't doing that awesome, because when it's done well (like here and Animal Man), it's very cool stuff.

Constantine #1 is good. Justice League Dark is good as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 01, 2013, 07:36:31 PM
I actually ended up really enjoying American Vampire, you do have to dial your iq down a little bit, but the art dudes/dudettes stuff really works well with Snyders writing style.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 01, 2013, 07:38:55 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/5ou0pPF.jpg)
holy shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2013, 07:46:54 PM
by the Goddess!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2013, 08:09:15 PM
oh i also read the first two volumes of I, Vampire and really enjoyed it.  it's a shame that the "dark" DCU stuff isn't doing that awesome, because when it's done well (like here and Animal Man), it's very cool stuff.

and i tried to read the bendis X-Men book and hated it.

Aside from Captain Marvel and Hawkeye is there anything worthwhile in Marvel town?

I think I did a list recently but there is a bunch of good to great stuff:
great -
Wolverine and the X-Men
Thor
Fury: My War Gone By
Hawkeye

good -
Superior Spider-Man
Young Avengers
Uncanny X-Force
FF (the Fraction/Allred book)

there are probably more but would have to go through comixology
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 01, 2013, 08:31:27 PM
Hawkeye is pretty entertaining. Very stylish and pretty funny. Nothing epic, which is why it's fun. I also like Uncanny X-men as so far it's pretty good. Feels like what an X-men book should have been after Morrison's New X-men. If you don't like All New I don't think you should ignore Uncanny as well it doesn't seem to have the terrible slow pace of All New. Then again I don't read anywhere as much as most of you do.   Mostly just Xbooks and I try and pick up in trades of what people speak well of. I think Batwoman and Saga are the only other things I regularly pick up that aren't X-men stuff.

In other news. I read through Fatale Vol.1. It was pretty solid, but I'm not sure if I would want this as an ongoing. I kind of would want this to end and not be stretched out. I remember reading here that maybe it jumped the shark. Should I pick up the next Volume? I mean I probably will as it is pretty interesting.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 01, 2013, 08:34:00 PM
Fatale is good but best read in chunks, I feel. I get it monthly but usually let it pile up for a while. So reading in trade makes sense
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 02, 2013, 12:38:15 AM
Man finished Messiah Complex. Man that was a fun read. Now there's a good crossover. It had some solid build up, there's a lot of shit going on, a lot of characters receive the spotlight, there's some logical drama, actual relevant character development, and a lot of twists and turns. This was extremely fun. I returned to comics with Avengers Vs X-men and as a whole I thought that was pretty meh, but Messiah Complex was very fun.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 02, 2013, 08:56:37 AM
Messiah Complex is followed by Messiah War, then Second Coming.  It's been a while since I read through all these but Second Coming isn't as good as the two Messiah storyline, IIRC.

Bishop also just returned in the new X-Force book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 02, 2013, 10:05:58 AM
i just read the heat and as always the reaction to the controversy is worse than the controversy


Remender telling people to drown themselves in hobo piss if they don't like it doesn't help things.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 03, 2013, 03:18:55 PM
Walt Simonson + Indestructible Hulk = YOU BUY
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 04, 2013, 07:16:48 PM
http://comicsbeat.com/rip-carmine-infantino/

Quote
In a day that already saw the passing of beloved movie critic Roger Ebert and Archie mainstay George Gladir, news has now come that comics legend Carmine Infantino has passed away. He was 87 and had been in poor health for a while.

One of the most influential comics artists of the Silver Age, Infantino not only drew “Flash of Two Worlds” in Flash #123 that kicked off Earth Two and ushered in the modern age of comics. Sleek and dynamic, his artwork defined the DC look for decades. He later served in a more controversial role as DC’s editor in chief, before returning to art on Star Wars, Spider-Woman and many more titles.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 05, 2013, 09:58:44 AM
Mod Wonder Woman

(http://i.imgur.com/BKe7zeV.jpg)

;)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 05, 2013, 10:11:21 AM
So, what are some good Wonder Woman stories?

I always liked the character when used in a Justice League setting, but never cared enough about her rogue gallery or history to really get into the comics. For whatever reason she always seemed like she only got famous and stayed so because of her being a woman and a feminist icon to me, I'm sure I'm wrong and would like to be proven wrong.

rucka's run is pretty good
the new 52 run has gotten some good marks but i haven't read it

also the mod run is pretty grand though it's not really wonder woman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 05, 2013, 10:17:22 AM
Another big DC comic spoiled by mainstream media coverage. This time it's Batman & Red Robin #19:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/is_this_the_new_robin_FVOg92HhNqmHabt71nDrBP
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 05, 2013, 10:58:33 AM
Another big DC comic spoiled by mainstream media coverage. This time it's Batman & Red Robin #19:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/is_this_the_new_robin_FVOg92HhNqmHabt71nDrBP
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wut
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 05, 2013, 11:12:06 AM
Another big DC comic spoiled by mainstream media coverage. This time it's Batman & Red Robin #19:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/is_this_the_new_robin_FVOg92HhNqmHabt71nDrBP
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wut

DC: "Continuity is all jacked-up, let's reboot this bitch!"

*Two Years Later*

DC: "What other Elseworld characters from several decades ago can we add to the canon?"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on April 05, 2013, 11:16:40 AM
Another big DC comic spoiled by mainstream media coverage. This time it's Batman & Red Robin #19:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/is_this_the_new_robin_FVOg92HhNqmHabt71nDrBP
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The way the two characters are drawn is totally different.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 05, 2013, 11:16:46 AM
HUH WHAT HUH WHY HOW HUH?!  ??? ??? ???

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/2013/04/05/news/web_photos/BMROB_Cv19_ds074353--525x400.jpg)
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That doesn't make sense...especially when there's that other female character that seems to be the likely candidate for Robin.  (Forgot the name)

Weird.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 05, 2013, 11:23:57 AM
"Batman & Red Robin" also sounds like a hip-hop duo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 05, 2013, 11:26:28 AM
Quote
"It's a New 52 version, but we're staying close to Frank Miller's visual template and personality of Carrie Kelley. She's a college kid who's got spunk and speaks her mind. This is not an alternate-earth Robin, this is simply a girl named Carrie Kelley who we learn knew Damian which in turn weaves her into the fabric of the DC Universe for the first time in 25 years," Tomasi said of Carrie's place in the moder Batman mythos. "It's all real. It's all in continuity. It's all part of the Batman universe in the here and now. Carrie Kelley has found her way into The New 52 and she's here to stay - in what capacity is anybody's guess - except mine of course."
Quote
As I mentioned above, after all the guest stars in Batman and Robin, the title will theoretically revert back to it's original name and that means we'll need an actual Robin to appear in the book. Snyder has stated that he 'never intended for Harper Row' to become Robin, which is not the same as saying she won't don a variation of the familiar red, green and gold costume when the time comes. Add in a character like Carrie Kelley and the picture becomes much less clear but is this a smoke screen or will Kelley really fight side-by-side with Batman in The New 52 just as she did in The Dark Knight Returns? We should find out by September at the very latest.


(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1365166415.jpg)

Looks like a 40 year old's head on a teenager's body.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 05, 2013, 12:10:17 PM
New Superior Spider-Man costume.  Looks like he's wearing heels and looks like a rip-off of the clone Spider-Man costume.

(http://i.imgur.com/37oTJmJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 05, 2013, 06:20:08 PM
so it's a character with the same name as an alternate world robin but nothing in common beyond gender and name?

jesus, dc

wtf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on April 05, 2013, 10:14:23 PM
because we don't have enough Robins as it is
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on April 05, 2013, 10:32:01 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/mD7C4bz.png)
I see, it's just an Office Space crossover
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2013, 10:38:56 PM
yeah wtf, even manabyte spoilered that shit

this thread continually amazes with the collective desire to make fun of out of context promo shit for comics none of us have read yet rather than making fun of the decades of ridiculous comics we already have (although Joe does sterling work there of course)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 05, 2013, 10:39:13 PM
also, Carrie Kelley - always and forever the best Robin
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 06, 2013, 05:16:37 PM
You would love Dick.  :teehee
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 06, 2013, 06:08:40 PM
that picture is hurting the fuck out of my brain   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 10, 2013, 03:24:40 PM
well we figured apple wouldn't like all the dicks, so we didn't even try.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/apple-bans-saga-12.html
Quote
Update April 12, 2013: The Saga #12 saga continues today with a strange twist. According to comiXology CEO David Steinberger, Apple never banned the issue - comiXology actually never submitted it to the company for approval at all. In a statement on the comiXology Blog, Steinberger had this to say:

"To our customers -

In the last 24 hours there has been a lot of chatter about Apple banning Saga #12 from our Comics App on the Apple App Store due to depictions of gay sex. This is simply not true, and we’d like to clarify.

As a partner of Apple, we have an obligation to respect its policies for apps and the books offered in apps.  Based on our understanding of those policies, we believed that Saga #12 could not be made available in our app, and so we did not release it today.

We did not interpret the content in question as involving any particular sexual orientation, and frankly that would have been a completely irrelevant consideration under any circumstance.

Given this, it should be clear that Apple did not reject Saga #12.

After hearing from Apple this morning, we can say that our interpretation of its policies was mistaken. You’ll be glad to know that Saga #12 will be available on our App Store app soon.

We apologize to Saga creator Brian K. Vaughn and Image Comics for any confusion this may have caused.

All the best,

David Steinberger
CEO and co-founder
comiXology"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 10, 2013, 03:26:36 PM
finished My Friend Dahmer yesterday.   Pretty great stuff!   Makes you happy to be able to feel and process basic emotions (well, better than Dahmer anyway)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 07:37:18 PM
finished My Friend Dahmer yesterday.   Pretty great stuff!   Makes you happy to be able to feel and process basic emotions (well, better than Dahmer anyway)

yeah, found this really compelling and bizarre. Really highlighted the failure of everyone around him to see what was coming too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 10, 2013, 07:57:42 PM
well we figured apple wouldn't like all the dicks, so we didn't even try.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/apple-bans-saga-12.html
Quote
Update April 12, 2013: The Saga #12 saga continues today with a strange twist. According to comiXology CEO David Steinberger, Apple never banned the issue - comiXology actually never submitted it to the company for approval at all. In a statement on the comiXology Blog, Steinberger had this to say:

"To our customers -

In the last 24 hours there has been a lot of chatter about Apple banning Saga #12 from our Comics App on the Apple App Store due to depictions of gay sex. This is simply not true, and we’d like to clarify.

As a partner of Apple, we have an obligation to respect its policies for apps and the books offered in apps.  Based on our understanding of those policies, we believed that Saga #12 could not be made available in our app, and so we did not release it today.

We did not interpret the content in question as involving any particular sexual orientation, and frankly that would have been a completely irrelevant consideration under any circumstance.

Given this, it should be clear that Apple did not reject Saga #12.

After hearing from Apple this morning, we can say that our interpretation of its policies was mistaken. You’ll be glad to know that Saga #12 will be available on our App Store app soon.

We apologize to Saga creator Brian K. Vaughn and Image Comics for any confusion this may have caused.

All the best,

David Steinberger
CEO and co-founder
comiXology"

bizarre - i wonder if he is falling on his sword for Apple on this. If you are going to buy from comixology, you should buy it from their website anyway I think, and say a little fuck you to both Apple Tax and Apple Censorship
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on April 10, 2013, 08:08:43 PM
well we figured apple wouldn't like all the dicks, so we didn't even try.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/apple-bans-saga-12.html
Quote
Update April 12, 2013: The Saga #12 saga continues today with a strange twist. According to comiXology CEO David Steinberger, Apple never banned the issue - comiXology actually never submitted it to the company for approval at all. In a statement on the comiXology Blog, Steinberger had this to say:

"To our customers -

In the last 24 hours there has been a lot of chatter about Apple banning Saga #12 from our Comics App on the Apple App Store due to depictions of gay sex. This is simply not true, and we’d like to clarify.

As a partner of Apple, we have an obligation to respect its policies for apps and the books offered in apps.  Based on our understanding of those policies, we believed that Saga #12 could not be made available in our app, and so we did not release it today.

We did not interpret the content in question as involving any particular sexual orientation, and frankly that would have been a completely irrelevant consideration under any circumstance.

Given this, it should be clear that Apple did not reject Saga #12.

After hearing from Apple this morning, we can say that our interpretation of its policies was mistaken. You’ll be glad to know that Saga #12 will be available on our App Store app soon.

We apologize to Saga creator Brian K. Vaughn and Image Comics for any confusion this may have caused.

All the best,

David Steinberger
CEO and co-founder
comiXology"

bizarre - i wonder if he is falling on his sword for Apple on this. If you are going to buy from comixology, you should buy it from their website anyway I think, and say a little fuck you to both Apple Tax and Apple Censorship

Comics are the same price through the app as on the website so there's no "Apple Tax" on them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 10, 2013, 08:12:41 PM
well we figured apple wouldn't like all the dicks, so we didn't even try.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/apple-bans-saga-12.html
Quote
Update April 12, 2013: The Saga #12 saga continues today with a strange twist. According to comiXology CEO David Steinberger, Apple never banned the issue - comiXology actually never submitted it to the company for approval at all. In a statement on the comiXology Blog, Steinberger had this to say:

"To our customers -

In the last 24 hours there has been a lot of chatter about Apple banning Saga #12 from our Comics App on the Apple App Store due to depictions of gay sex. This is simply not true, and we’d like to clarify.

As a partner of Apple, we have an obligation to respect its policies for apps and the books offered in apps.  Based on our understanding of those policies, we believed that Saga #12 could not be made available in our app, and so we did not release it today.

We did not interpret the content in question as involving any particular sexual orientation, and frankly that would have been a completely irrelevant consideration under any circumstance.

Given this, it should be clear that Apple did not reject Saga #12.

After hearing from Apple this morning, we can say that our interpretation of its policies was mistaken. You’ll be glad to know that Saga #12 will be available on our App Store app soon.

We apologize to Saga creator Brian K. Vaughn and Image Comics for any confusion this may have caused.

All the best,

David Steinberger
CEO and co-founder
comiXology"

bizarre - i wonder if he is falling on his sword for Apple on this. If you are going to buy from comixology, you should buy it from their website anyway I think, and say a little fuck you to both Apple Tax and Apple Censorship

Comics are the same price through the app as on the website so there's no "Apple Tax" on them.

the price is the same to consumers but the amount publishers/creators get is reduced by 30%

so, you know, make your dollar go further and all that
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 11, 2013, 01:32:23 PM
comixology has the first 7 issues of Gail Simone's Secret Six on sale as part of a Gender in Comics (yeah i dunno) sale

http://www.comixology.com/comics-sale?featured_id=15989
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 11, 2013, 03:24:00 PM
maybe they thought it was Secret Sex

like Alysia Yeoh in Simone's Batgirl #19

thank you I'll be here all week
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 11, 2013, 03:34:08 PM
Secret Six is a good series, and I approve of it being used to promote the lesbian gender.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 11, 2013, 03:41:24 PM
I gave Ex Machina a go. Eisners etc etc.

But holy shit the art is fucking awful, I don't know what it is about it, but it's not helped by:
a) the art
b) the drawings
c) I think it's a bit like the work back in the Olsen times by the guys using camera obscura type things to capture reality in by kinda cheating.

Olden rather than Olsen lol!!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 11, 2013, 07:31:21 PM
it's the fact that not only does he use photos of real humans, thus removing most opportunity for artistic exaggeration etc, he also has his photo subjects mug horribly throughout. It is very jarring

Read Starman if you want to see what his art looks like before he went too deep down that rabbit hole - i think it looks great
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 11, 2013, 07:45:43 PM
Ok
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 11, 2013, 08:07:18 PM
it's Hellboy in the DCU

it's all over the place in the first trade and has been cancelled.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 11, 2013, 08:31:16 PM
i say 'not worth it' and 'read Hellboy/BPRD'
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 11, 2013, 08:47:22 PM
yeah, basically

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 11, 2013, 09:10:19 PM
just read some earth 2

what the fuck happened to james robinson
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 11, 2013, 09:38:59 PM
i'm guessing he is juggling a ton of editorial mandates. He can still write - his Shade maxi-series was very good. I assume he was left to his own devices on that. His JLA run was a ghastly mess otoh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 12, 2013, 07:19:28 AM
grabbed Icon from the library.  Published as part of Milestones by DC in the 90s. Never read this when it was being published originally.  found it randomly at the library.  i like it for the most part

stranded alien disguised as black republican fights crime and other uh heroes of color while the sidekick deals with heady stuff (you know like abortion, nbd) makes this book way ahead of its time while also calling back to the more heavy handed "message" books of DC's 70s.

i didn't like that the book had to cram in a MEET THE OTHER COMIC HEROES NOW FIGHT THEM, but this was written 20 years ago.  I supposed we should be happy that it isn't all chromium embossed holograms on every page.

the coloring strikes me as weird and i don't really know why.  made the first several pages harder going as i tried to get used to it.  it just seemed "off."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 17, 2013, 08:34:03 AM
Both Fatale and Hawkeye are up for Eisners this year. Are Saga and Prophet worth reading?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 17, 2013, 09:05:21 AM
fuck yes they are worth reading

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 17, 2013, 09:28:37 AM
Saga is great. Read it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 17, 2013, 09:43:33 AM
Cool, I hope they don't suck for the sake of my fiery Indonesian temper, and thus for my servants well being.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Don Flamenco on April 17, 2013, 11:08:45 AM
I found some Marvel Masterworks: X-Men book at Half Price Books yesterday for $12 and apparently its some rare variant cover!   Does anyone know anything about this stuff? 

It's this one: 

(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51zAbaIIuPL._SL500_SY320_.jpg)


This Amazon listing is basically the only info I can find about it:
http://www.amazon.com/The-X-Men-Marvel-Masterworks-Volume/dp/0785136991/ref=sr_1_25?ie=UTF8&qid=1366211218&sr=8-25&keywords=masterworks+x-men+3


I think I'll sell it and buy a normal copy...for some reason I wanna read the very early x-men comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 18, 2013, 02:27:59 PM
My copy of Marshall Law hardback came today, it's great apart from the forward that I've not bothered reading by Jonathan Ross.
I really wish HBO would snap this up and turn it into a series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 18, 2013, 02:50:25 PM
i read a favorable review of Vixen: Return of the Lion and so I grabbed it.  I enjoyed it aside from the whole "all of africa is huts in the savannah" meme.  It read like a 5 issue JLA run which just focused on Vixen as the main character rather than a legitimately solo book.  The art was good and the story was good.  If you can get the issues for $5 or so, I'd say it's worth a read if you enjoy either the JLA or Vixen.

Also Midtown Comics had a sale on Supurbia which brought it down to $8, so I grabbed it but haven't read beyond a few pages.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 07:41:57 PM
Reminder to self - post a few pages from Daredevil by Chris Samnee. Easily some of the most striking work since Miller left.

My copy of Marshall Law hardback came today, it's great apart from the forward that I've not bothered reading by Jonathan Ross.
I really wish HBO would snap this up and turn it into a series.

I loved this as a teen but there is not a whole lot of substance there, especially in the later crossover bullshit. How on earth would this work as a HBO series?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 09:46:32 PM
Samnee :bow

This book has always looked great with Marcos Martin and Paolo Rivera but I think Samnee is easily up to their standards. Great color-coding here too

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BILaG0NCYAATmLg.jpg:large)
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Post by: Yeti on April 18, 2013, 10:02:52 PM
I just can't take Daredevil seriously after seeing this

(http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/i-cant-see-what-im-typing.jpg)
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 18, 2013, 10:23:27 PM
he self-owns pretty hard in this one too, with the blindness

give it a shot, it's as good as a Marvel comic can be
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 18, 2013, 11:10:54 PM
I just can't take Daredevil seriously after seeing this

(http://imgace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/i-cant-see-what-im-typing.jpg)

That's not a computer, Daredevil, that's a cat!  :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 19, 2013, 07:02:54 AM
that's some good art
i need to finish my re-read of volume 2 The Bendis Years
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Post by: Reb on April 19, 2013, 07:29:13 AM
Dropping in here with a question that has been bugging me.

The current Prophet comics, do they have any relation to the old Prophet comics http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophet_(comics) ?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 19, 2013, 07:30:42 AM
to my understanding the answer is "yes, if you want it to."
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2013, 07:55:21 AM
i haven't read any of the old ones but it does seem to build on the characters and relationships from the old ones in some ways. Wild horses couldn't make me read the old ones though
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on April 19, 2013, 08:06:31 AM
I was 13 when I read them, and thought they were super cool.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2013, 08:31:04 AM
Well, give the new ones a try and let us know what you think. I think they're pretty awesome but very squarely in a the Heavy Metal vein of Euro sf. It's also quite ephemeral 'cause the story is so vast and they starve you of context for the most part. I like to read it late at night while listening to something spacey/trippy on headhphones
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2013, 08:51:20 AM
I doubt Prophet shifts 10,000 copies/month so it sure ain't more popular.
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Post by: brob on April 19, 2013, 08:55:25 AM
After reading the current Hawkeye and liking it I got the immortal iron fist, because it's supposedly the same people. but then I find out the end bit is done by different people. Is the quality in iron fist consistent? Is it actually good at all, because I kinda just assumed so without asking anyone... ?
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Post by: Eric P on April 19, 2013, 09:00:20 AM
i enjoyed the first two volumes but that's all i read of the trades
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 19, 2013, 09:37:13 AM
After reading the current Hawkeye and liking it I got the immortal iron fist, because it's supposedly the same people. but then I find out the end bit is done by different people. Is the quality in iron fist consistent? Is it actually good at all, because I kinda just assumed so without asking anyone... ?

It's good to the end but it just stops. There is disappointingly little David Aja art in the whole series (he's a commercial artist/designer by day and just couldn't keep to the schedule). But most of the art is still great - John Severine, Travel Foreman...
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Post by: Eric P on April 19, 2013, 10:36:52 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/899a5c029188f65871a34352874524e9/tumblr_mlfgl7h1NH1rvya9ro4_500.jpg)
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on April 19, 2013, 07:11:48 PM
Reminder to self - post a few pages from Daredevil by Chris Samnee. Easily some of the most striking work since Miller left.

My copy of Marshall Law hardback came today, it's great apart from the forward that I've not bothered reading by Jonathan Ross.
I really wish HBO would snap this up and turn it into a series.

I loved this as a teen but there is not a whole lot of substance there, especially in the later crossover bullshit. How on earth would this work as a HBO series?
I didn't really bother with the crossover stuff until I downloaded the cenobites vs Marshall Law. I didn't reach the end, due to not wanting to.

I've not read Marshall Law also since teen, so it maybe could be kinda vacuous. I'll post my important thoughts when I've finished the book. It's also got the eye guy in it as well, whose parents used to sew kittens eyes shut for science!
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 19, 2013, 08:41:55 PM
Hmm, is Zur-En-Arrh Batman basically Moon Knight? Discuss.
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Post by: Cormacaroni on April 24, 2013, 10:08:35 PM
cool. Are you friends with the artist?
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Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2013, 01:03:05 PM
yeah i did like the overlay effect he had going
i didn't have time to actually finish the issue as i started it at work but what i read wasn't horrible.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 29, 2013, 10:23:43 AM
The first issue of my friends comic is out and it's free. If you have the time, please give it a read: http://thrillbent.com/comics/the-eighth-seal-2/

As I understand: New issues every week, will cost $1 or so. Every two weeks the previous issue is made free for everyone.

It's quite good! I've paid money for worse, for sure. The page staging, or whatever they're calling the sequential panel display works pretty well, too.
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Post by: ManaByte on April 29, 2013, 10:48:14 AM
I actually read a copy of Spawn yesterday not having read an issue since like 1994 and while McFarlane is writing it, the artist is total shit and they've basically turned it into a cheap Hellblazer rip off.

Only thing good at the spoof covers.
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Post by: Eric P on May 09, 2013, 10:23:07 AM
http://thenewinquiry.com/essays/the-devil-you-know/

long article on Hellblazer.



The first issue of noir horror comic John Constantine, Hellblazer — which Detective Comics announced it would cancel and reboot starting February — is arguably the most socially situated issue that the company ever published. Over forty subtext-soaked pages, occult detective John Constantine travels from London to New York via southern Sudan, rehabilitates and hypnotizes a druggie friend, and trades jokes with a Haitian witch doctor in a midtown high-rise — all while tracking a demon that’s landed in New York from Tangiers. Behind such post-colonial fantasia, John also finds time to clean his apartment, get yelled at by his landlord, kill time on public transportation, buy insecticide from a South Asian bodega, and sexually proposition his ex-girlfriend, who happens to be dead. The comics blogosphere has reacted to Hellblazer’s cancellation by writing eulogies to a certain generically “cool” mascot version of John Constantine: a handsome, exotically British rogue who chain-smokes Silk Cuts, always “knows the score” and has a lot of sex in squalid little horror stories. But this slick, atavistic, frat guy incarnation is undoubtedly exactly what’ll be preserved when DC relaunches the comic — once a trenchant critique of consumerism — as a PG, family-friendly quasi-superhero product ready for the imminent Guillermo del Toro movie reboot.

This essay serves as a eulogy for what will be lost — specifically how uncool the book was, how virtuously unpleasant, how vitriolic, melancholic and spiteful, how negatively charismatic, how difficult to read. The biggest loss will actually be something that really only survived the first twenty or so of the comic’s 300+ issues: its leftist politics and countercultural ethos. Out of all the comics written for Vertigo — the most writer-friendly mainstream comics imprint of the 90s — Hellblazer was the title most interested in the real world, as opposed to, say, twee faerie kingdoms. Its best (and most disproportionately unpopular) writer was Jamie Delano, who wrote the comic’s first 40 or so issues after spending most of the 80s unemployed and smoking pot. His oppositional commitments were never really carried forward by subsequent Hellblazer writers (many of whom I love) and his run on the comic, which has only recently been collected. The comic, which now sells a third of what it did in the 90s, gradually shed its political allegiances, perhaps leading writer Warren Ellis to hold a symbolic funeral for John Constantine a few years ago in his own comic, Planetary.
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Post by: ManaByte on May 10, 2013, 02:48:00 PM
DC just announced a new six-issue crossover:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/3035680-dcu+vs+motu_1.jpg)
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 10, 2013, 03:06:50 PM
Is that supposed to be He-Man?

Adult He-Man fandom is probably the most regressive of all. Worse than superheroes, worse than Transformers, worse than ... bronies?
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Post by: Eric P on May 10, 2013, 03:09:05 PM
probably better than anything else Justice League related in the past 5 years
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on May 10, 2013, 03:09:39 PM
Where is Orko?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 10, 2013, 03:13:58 PM
Where is Orko?

Mattel signed Orko rights away to Square Enix for Final Fantasy IX and haven't been able to get him back since
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on May 11, 2013, 12:38:41 AM
Manabyte actually put it in spoilers this time guys!  You're going to get in trouble with Cormac again.  :wag

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Don Flamenco on May 11, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
what's the best Moebius/Jodorowski collaboration? 


edit:  fucking finally,  Strange Tale Of Panorama Island is out:
http://www.lastgasp.com/d/36181/


Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2013, 11:38:01 AM
comixology has the X-O Manowar reboot on sale for a buck an issue.  Did anyone pick any of these up?  I've been impressed with the Valiant relaunch titles I've read thus far (Shadowman, Archer & Armstrong) but I haven't picked these up and my usual comics review blogs have largely ignored the relaunch.

Any thoughts?
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Post by: ManaByte on May 13, 2013, 11:52:14 AM
They ignored it because, you know, Valiant.
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Post by: bork on May 13, 2013, 11:54:59 AM
Stumbled upon this while looking for info on the Justice League-Masters Of The Universe crossover-thing.

(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/Y/Yv/YvcvSdtHgj-ITKWBEvzyZcL0q-g.jpg?t=Q_-FMYTmgBWeicnqCgewcA&f=1369022400)

(http://img.fark.net/images/cache/850/a/aJ/aJwx6lgLorZZyU0cFMwkFMuymTE.png?t=hJ2_roQzvsm0hcQNAViU2g&f=1369022400)
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Post by: chronovore on May 13, 2013, 08:30:57 PM
Rehost, pls.

2nd one's funny.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 13, 2013, 11:45:43 PM
I ordered the best of Archie comics volume 1 and 2, pretty excited since I havent read Archie in ages
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Post by: Eric P on May 14, 2013, 05:35:29 AM
boo Demon Knights cancelled.

edit: and dial h. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 14, 2013, 10:55:19 AM
Caught up on both Avengers and Cap last night.

Avengers is great up to the last two issues, Cap is WTF insane right now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on May 14, 2013, 04:42:48 PM
boo Demon Knights cancelled.

edit: and dial h.

Boo, I liked Demon Knights. And I haven't read much of Dial H, but the concept is interesting
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 14, 2013, 04:44:14 PM
i like weird off brand heroes so i really enjoyed both series, but H was one of those 'too beautiful for this world' doomed books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 16, 2013, 04:15:42 PM
Skottie Young's Infinity #1 variant:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/10300/Infintiy_001_YOUNG_VAR.jpg)
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 16, 2013, 04:59:48 PM
I was very interested in Dial H thanks to Mieville involvement; any chance of a wrapup or is it being killed horrifically
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 16, 2013, 05:39:33 PM
Possible All New X-Men spoiler:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201308/ANXMEN2012015_CVR_COL.jpg)
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It's not a huge surprise if you've read the book from the early issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: ManaByte on May 16, 2013, 05:42:55 PM
ROB LIEFELD'S KICKSTARTER: BRIGADE RETURNS!

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/649924296/brigade-returns
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Don Flamenco on May 22, 2013, 09:34:12 PM
OMG started reading Saga tonight

holy shmow
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Post by: bork on May 23, 2013, 02:52:05 PM
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/projects/547654/photo-main.jpg?1367876202)
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/000/596/460/0e9a9a100adad870e29cdc728f414ac4_large.jpg?1368729370)

Rob  :lol

Possible All New X-Men spoiler:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201308/ANXMEN2012015_CVR_COL.jpg)
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It's not a huge surprise if you've read the book from the early issues.

I like New X-Men, but holy SHIT does it all move at such a snail's pace.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on May 23, 2013, 05:54:22 PM
I've just finished the last four Fatales. That's basically the things problem, most of its a really slooooow burn. There aren't any exciting cliffhangers like in King of the Rocketmen and Flash Gordon's Buster Crabb (who looked like a serious wife-whipper). 24 also.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on May 23, 2013, 05:56:06 PM
It'll be awesome if he finishes it basically, and thus I'll not spend my money on Fatale until its either a proper book or an easy complete torrent.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on May 23, 2013, 11:35:28 PM
I wish Marvel would stop shitting on Cyclops so much, it's obnoxious. He's treated worse than the characters in Funky Winkerbean.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 27, 2013, 07:58:03 AM
Cyclops is Marvel's hardest working jobber.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on May 28, 2013, 02:11:40 AM
What the fuck is this? :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/D4VjtgV.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on May 28, 2013, 09:56:45 AM
Comixology is having a sale on Dynamite comics right now.

most of Dynamite is HORRIBLE, however you can now pick up a few good things like

The Dreadstar Omnibus.  The first 12 issues of Jim Starlin's great 80s work

Garth Ennis's Battlefields.  You can get two collections for $7 a pop and this is probably the best stuff he's done.  Funny, over the top, actually affecting war comics.  Like all Ennis work it can get kind of silly, but when it's on, it's damn good.

Black Flagg! Definitive Collection.  I have a huge nostalgia boner for this, so you may want to find someone else's opinion.  Think of this as the Leftist American Judge Dredd with less shooting the underclass and more mocking the overclass.  A talking cat is president.

http://www.comixology.com/comics-sale?featured_id=17572
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 28, 2013, 12:35:16 PM
Jennifer Blood is worth reading.  Mostly-bad art, but still worth reading.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 28, 2013, 06:33:50 PM
I miss American Flagg, and wish combat basketball had come into being, as it was foretold in the comic.
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Post by: Yeti on May 28, 2013, 08:15:00 PM
How did Before Watchmen turn out, was it the abomination everyone expected?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 28, 2013, 09:30:21 PM
Jennifer Blood is worth reading. Mostly-bad art, but still worth reading.

I'll never get this, if the art is shit the book is pretty much worthless to me. It's a visual medium, the art is HALF the book. It's why I never finished Uncanny X-Force because Phil Noto came on and ruined the book with still,dull,lifeless,shit art.



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Post by: Eric P on May 29, 2013, 07:33:03 AM
got some trades in while i was at Chicago and finally read them

Avengers Arena - i don't know half of these characters and the ones i do know (from Runaways for example) i didn't really recognize so their constant slaughter doesn't really mean much to me.  it's merely ok to me
Thunderbolts - i see what the creative team is going for, but it just didn't work for me, sadle

new edition of Authority.  BEAUTIFUL hardcover.  collects the first 12 issues in a slightly oversized format with beautiful reproduction of the art.  didn't do much beyond read the first issue but i'm looking forward to hunkering down and leafing through it
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Post by: chronovore on May 29, 2013, 08:18:30 AM
How did Before Watchmen turn out, was it the abomination everyone expected?

Not nearly as deserving of the hate piled on them as you'd expect. A friend was forwarding me all his singles as he finished them. They were good. The Darwyn Cooke art in Minutemen is very good, and the story treads a neat line between the silver age inspiration from which it drew, and setting up a tone to match the original work. The Silk Spectre stuff is well drawn and fun, but a bit fluffy. The Comedian is closest to what I'd expected, in a good way.

The worst which can be said of them is that they're kind of superfluous and unnecessary, as an addition to Watchmen canon; on they're own they're pretty good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 31, 2013, 10:39:23 AM
Godzilla 50 Year War is pretty damn good.  Follows a Japanese guy across 5 decades as he deals with Godzilla and other monsters.  Great art by the guy who did Orc Stain

Indestructible Hulk- i like Smart Banner but i don't know if Marvel needs yet another genius level inventor alongside Stark / Richards.  The HULK sections are greeeeeeat.  Shame the book is only 5 issues long. 

Thunderbolts - meh
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Post by: ManaByte on May 31, 2013, 05:23:26 PM
Indestructible Hulk- i like Smart Banner but i don't know if Marvel needs yet another genius level inventor alongside Stark / Richards.  The HULK sections are greeeeeeat.  Shame the book is only 5 issues long. 

It gets even better with issue 6 and WALT SIMONSON!
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Post by: Eric P on June 03, 2013, 09:28:45 AM
Marvel Comics the Untold Story is pretty damn amazing.  But what's funny is how much of it is actually...well TOLD because the primary sources seem to be fanzines and previously published interviews with the subjects.  It's a fascinating look behind the scenes into stuff which at the time I had no clue about. I spent my money on comics, not magazines about comics, so I didn't really know any of this stuff at the time.

The section Boom and Bust about the 90s just makes so much sense.  Marvel was fuuuuuuuuucked up and I got out of comics pretty much altogether right when the mega hype stuff was destroying comics as I loved them so I'm very curious to read about the mid to late 90s bust cycle as I have practically 0 knowledge of comics in that time frame.
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Post by: bork on June 03, 2013, 10:30:24 AM

Thunderbolts - meh

Really disappointed with this book.  They need to either replace the creative team or cancel it already. 
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Post by: ManaByte on June 03, 2013, 11:20:18 AM
Marvel Comics the Untold Story is pretty damn amazing.  But what's funny is how much of it is actually...well TOLD because the primary sources seem to be fanzines and previously published interviews with the subjects.  It's a fascinating look behind the scenes into stuff which at the time I had no clue about. I spent my money on comics, not magazines about comics, so I didn't really know any of this stuff at the time.

The section Boom and Bust about the 90s just makes so much sense.  Marvel was fuuuuuuuuucked up and I got out of comics pretty much altogether right when the mega hype stuff was destroying comics as I loved them so I'm very curious to read about the mid to late 90s bust cycle as I have practically 0 knowledge of comics in that time frame.

ALL mainstream comics in the mid-90s were pretty horrible. That's why none of them sell for much more than cover price these days.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 03, 2013, 03:42:13 PM
Jennifer Blood is worth reading. Mostly-bad art, but still worth reading.

I'll never get this, if the art is shit the book is pretty much worthless to me. It's a visual medium, the art is HALF the book. It's why I never finished Uncanny X-Force because Phil Noto came on and ruined the book with still,dull,lifeless,shit art.

The story is good enough to keep me reading it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 04, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
it's really hard to tell who fucked Marvel more.  The money men of the 70s / 80s or Stan Lee chasing after Hollywood dreams / legitimacy on the back the work of other men.
i kind of wish that there was more, i don't know, journalism or whatever of this ilk regarding the bronze age, because I'd love to learn more about what drove certain decisions.  I'd love a follow up about DC, but as that company has been around forever and lacks a "Stan Lee" it may be hard to craft a narrative.

It's amazing to read the shell shocked reactions of Marvel Veterans to the hiring of Palmiotti and Quesada but if it weren't for P&Q, I probably wouldn't care about Marvel at all.
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Post by: ManaByte on June 04, 2013, 11:30:08 AM
it's really hard to tell who fucked Marvel more.  The money men of the 70s / 80s or Stan Lee chasing after Hollywood dreams / legitimacy on the back the work of other men.
i kind of wish that there was more, i don't know, journalism or whatever of this ilk regarding the bronze age, because I'd love to learn more about what drove certain decisions.  I'd love a follow up about DC, but as that company has been around forever and lacks a "Stan Lee" it may be hard to craft a narrative.

It's amazing to read the shell shocked reactions of Marvel Veterans to the hiring of Palmiotti and Quesada but if it weren't for P&Q, I probably wouldn't care about Marvel at all.

Lee's talked about it a lot and it seems like it was the money men. When Warner bought DC, Lee was pushing that something like that should have happened with Marvel. If it did, they probably wouldn't have gone bankrupt in the 90s. Apparently there were offers like that, but the people running Marvel were either too stupid or too stubborn to let it happen, and then the company went bankrupt and had to sell off X-Men and Spider-Man to Fox and Sony FOR LIFE.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 04, 2013, 12:28:16 PM
it's really hard to tell who fucked Marvel more.  The money men of the 70s / 80s or Stan Lee chasing after Hollywood dreams / legitimacy on the back the work of other men.
i kind of wish that there was more, i don't know, journalism or whatever of this ilk regarding the bronze age, because I'd love to learn more about what drove certain decisions.  I'd love a follow up about DC, but as that company has been around forever and lacks a "Stan Lee" it may be hard to craft a narrative.

It's amazing to read the shell shocked reactions of Marvel Veterans to the hiring of Palmiotti and Quesada but if it weren't for P&Q, I probably wouldn't care about Marvel at all.

Lee's talked about it a lot and it seems like it was the money men. When Warner bought DC, Lee was pushing that something like that should have happened with Marvel. If it did, they probably wouldn't have gone bankrupt in the 90s. Apparently there were offers like that, but the people running Marvel were either too stupid or too stubborn to let it happen, and then the company went bankrupt and had to sell off X-Men and Spider-Man to Fox and Sony FOR LIFE.

did anyone expect Lee to go with "Stan Lee"
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Post by: Eric P on June 05, 2013, 04:24:25 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/71PiTpd.jpg)
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uuuuuuuuuggggghhhhhhh
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/71PiTpd.jpg)
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uuuuuuuuuggggghhhhhhh

Man, I sure am glad we had that reboot!
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Post by: ManaByte on June 05, 2013, 04:31:23 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/71PiTpd.jpg)
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uuuuuuuuuggggghhhhhhh

Um. It's a one-shot for villains month with a father and daughter sharing scary stories about him. It's not redoing anything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on June 06, 2013, 03:18:20 AM
Wait, did Eric P just pull a ManaByte and got called out by ManaByte?!?!?
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Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2013, 08:44:37 AM
I didn't say it was redoing anything.  The "ugh" is that they're even bringing back Doomsday at all.  I had the same reaction when Venom appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man.  What's the point of a reboot if you're just going to port over the bad stuff as well?

That said the DC Squared stuff sounds interesting to a point.  I think "choose your own adventure" comics is neat, but comics with sound effects is kind of eh.  I'll have to see it before I render a final verdict.
http://www.newsarama.com/18002-dc-debuts-new-dc-squared-digital-initiatives.html

Since I'm reading it in trades, I'm way late to this but Captain Marvel #9 is some damn fine comics.  The entire series was a little shaky at first but then really picked up after the first arc.  The second volume has been great reading.  Love this series and it will be a shame when it is inevitably canceled.

And speaking of "series that will be inevitably canceled" jesus christ The Movement is fucking horrible.  It's social liberal theory for the tumblr set.  It's 2013's Captain Planet.  I have followed Gail Simone since Agent X but this is just blergh.  If there's ever a DC comics Avengers Arena rip off, it's young characters from this book who will inevitably be murdered to give the series a bit of grimdark gravitas.
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Post by: bork on June 06, 2013, 12:02:37 PM
I didn't say it was redoing anything.  The "ugh" is that they're even bringing back Doomsday at all.  I had the same reaction when Venom appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man.  What's the point of a reboot if you're just going to port over the bad stuff as well?

That said the DC Squared stuff sounds interesting to a point.  I think "choose your own adventure" comics is neat, but comics with sound effects is kind of eh.  I'll have to see it before I render a final verdict.
http://www.newsarama.com/18002-dc-debuts-new-dc-squared-digital-initiatives.html

Since I'm reading it in trades, I'm way late to this but Captain Marvel #9 is some damn fine comics.  The entire series was a little shaky at first but then really picked up after the first arc.  The second volume has been great reading.  Love this series and it will be a shame when it is inevitably canceled.

And speaking of "series that will be inevitably canceled" jesus christ The Movement is fucking horrible.  It's social liberal theory for the tumblr set.  It's 2013's Captain Planet.  I have followed Gail Simone since Agent X but this is just blergh.  If there's ever a DC comics Avengers Arena rip off, it's young characters from this book who will inevitably be murdered to give the series a bit of grimdark gravitas.

You can't go "uuuuugggggggh" and then praise the awful Captain Marvel comics.   :yuck
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Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
you are high.  The Captain Marvel comics are very good and present something you rarely see; genre comics with a female lead character written by a woman with characters that are somewhat mature.  Carol Danvers is presented with a kind of world weariness and ennui that Greg Rucka turned up in his writing of Wolverine.  To see this tone taken with a female character is fairly unique especially when this kind of crushing Camus Comix is just one aspect of a fairly well rounded character.  Carol in this series has been through a lot but she isn't defined by her past damage.  She is still allowed to be funny and she is allowed to fail, as her first instinct is to solve her problems with her firsts. 

My largest complaint is the title's inability to keep a consistent artist.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 06, 2013, 01:35:57 PM
you are high.  The Captain Marvel comics are very good and present something you rarely see; genre comics with a female lead character written by a woman with characters that are somewhat mature.  Carol Danvers is presented with a kind of world weariness and ennui that Greg Rucka turned up in his writing of Wolverine.  To see this tone taken with a female character is fairly unique especially when this kind of crushing Camus Comix is just one aspect of a fairly well rounded character.  Carol in this series has been through a lot but she isn't defined by her past damage.  She is still allowed to be funny and she is allowed to fail, as her first instinct is to solve her problems with her firsts. 

My largest complaint is the title's inability to keep a consistent artist.

That's great.  The stories have been largely awful and the art has gone into the toilet.  I like the character but couldn't stand the book any longer after the second arc started. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2013, 02:00:41 PM
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the stories.  I think the first arc was the roughest and I too have issues with some of the art but i don't see how you can say the art by Filipe Andrade is bad.  It's wild and expressive and plays well with the format.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/ac3b96491cb7a8ff508c0c8905fee061/tumblr_mf8u80lnd91rg3g1lo3_1280.jpg)

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Post by: ManaByte on June 06, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
No, that's shit.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 06, 2013, 02:44:20 PM
Sorry, that art is awesome
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Post by: Reb on June 06, 2013, 02:57:22 PM
Love that spread.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 06, 2013, 03:17:05 PM
:drudge Lucifer is back in print in new oversized editions (400 pages per volume)

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/3072963-lucfv1_cvr_b+copy.jpg)

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/05/lucifer-book-one-review-mike-carey-vertigo/ (http://www.comicsalliance.com/2013/06/05/lucifer-book-one-review-mike-carey-vertigo/)

http://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Book-One-Mike-Carey/dp/1401240267/ (http://www.amazon.com/Lucifer-Book-One-Mike-Carey/dp/1401240267/)

Way underrated, and WAY easier to enjoy than Sandman now that you are no longer an emo 17-year-old.
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Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2013, 03:25:23 PM
Lucifer rulz.

I am on the fence about buying these books yet again though

my bookshelves cry out for mercy already
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 06, 2013, 03:55:23 PM
Lucifer rulz.

I am on the fence about buying these books yet again though

my bookshelves cry out for mercy already

yeah, I don't own the first run, but even so ... I have pretty much one shelf left for comics/manga and I need to make it count
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
Nice, I've been meaning to read Lucifer.
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Post by: Eric P on June 06, 2013, 04:18:49 PM
if i recall correctly it spends the first six issues divorcing itself from sandman stuff before just going wild in later volumes.

i was going to talk about individual stuff i enjoyed but i fear that will make me buy it again, lol.

i'll see if my library carries the old books

edit: and it does.  crisis averted.
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Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2013, 09:41:41 AM
http://comicsbeat.com/coloring-books-paul-jenkins-and-the-big-two/

TCJ has an interesting article up about the culture of comics creation for corporate comics right now

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The culprit, in my opinion, is the culture of the comic industry over the two and a half decades I have worked in it. When things are going poorly, the creators are most valuable. They are needed, so that they can pull the publishers arses out of the fire when creative bankruptcy sets in. When the business is doing well (and let’s face it, the Avengers just made 1.4 billion dollars) then the creators are disposable. Frankly, why on Earth would Disney have a care about a small industry like comics when their core product is the film and merchandising? They would naturally be most concerned with character maintenance

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    My metaphor for corporate comics throughout the year goes back to my days working at Disney in the '90s. I remember some of my friends working on a lot of branded books for Aladdin or Pocahontas or Mickey or whatever like kids picture books and audio books and coloring books… the gigs usually paid very well, but it wasn't like they went in to the editors' office and said "I have an idea for a Mickey Mouse Audio Book that's going to change Mickey's world forever." They just got a call from an editor and went in and pitched "Mickey Mouse is trying to mow the lawn" and a book got written. There was no ego involved. It's pretty clear that corporate comics are going in that direction. You get the call to write Firestorm or Firestar and the cheat sheet with the event of the quarter and that's it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 07, 2013, 11:35:56 AM
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the stories.  I think the first arc was the roughest and I too have issues with some of the art but i don't see how you can say the art by Filipe Andrade is bad.  It's wild and expressive and plays well with the format.

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/ac3b96491cb7a8ff508c0c8905fee061/tumblr_mf8u80lnd91rg3g1lo3_1280.jpg)

The art doesn't fit a superhero book like this.  While I like the perspectives being used, I hate the way the characters' faces are drawn.  I like the covers on a lot and wish those artists were doing the interiors instead.

I'm not a fan of the stories in this book and the art isn't doing anything for me- so I quit reading it.  Isn't it being canceled now?
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Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2013, 11:44:34 AM
I hadn't heard anything about a cancellation but it wouldn't really surprise me.  It's very much a niche book.

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Post by: bork on June 07, 2013, 11:50:01 AM
Maybe it's just me, but I thought the whole reason for changing Ms. Marvel into Captain Marvel and the entire appearance change was to make her into a major character.  Yet she seems kind of shoved to the side in team books and they really didn't do anything big to explain the changeover. 

The redesign first appeared in Avenging Spider-Man and was basically explained as "yeah, time for an appearance change" and that was that, despite this stemming from an AvX subplot where the original Captain Marvel briefly returned.

I wonder how long it's going to be until they go back to the old look.
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Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2013, 11:53:17 AM
I haven't followed marvel since before Civil War, but there was enough of a buzz recently to get me to look into some of their newer books (excepting those of Bendis, of whom I've had my fill) so I'm way unfamiliar with any recent continuity.

I'm way late to this, but I really enjoyed Hickman's Fantastic Four run.  Haven't read the FF stuff yet though so my opinion could change.
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Post by: bork on June 07, 2013, 12:44:05 PM
Oh man, Bendis.  Age Of Ultron is going nowhere and has been such a waste of time.  One issue left so whatever.

Marvel is releasing a new Mighty Avengers book soon.  Looks to be more down to Earth than the other titles.  Not a fan of Greg Land's artwork though.

Quote
It's Mighty Avengers, by Al Ewing and Greg Land, featuring the likes of Luke Cage, Spider-Man, She-Hulk, White Tiger, Blue Marvel, Power Man...and more!

"Mighty Avengers is launching in the midst of Infinity. It's a pretty key component. The gist of the opening story is that the Avengers are off in space dealing with the Builders and in their absence, Thanos comes to Earth. A number of other characters rise up and join together to oppose to what's going on, arraying themselves around Luke Cage. 'If the Avengers aren't here, we're the Avengers.'" - Tom Brevoort
(http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201306/phpcDWRrhMIGHTYAVN2013001_DC11.jpg)
(http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201306/php606PUSMightyAvengers_Promo.jpg)
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Post by: Eric P on June 07, 2013, 12:52:58 PM
that sounds pretty interesting.

i always prefer street level stories.
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Post by: Yeti on June 07, 2013, 08:05:25 PM
Aren't Luke Cage and Power Man the same person?
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Post by: chronovore on June 08, 2013, 12:04:19 AM
Wait, did Eric P just pull a ManaByte and got called out by ManaByte?!?!?
(http://i.imgur.com/bymGY.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on June 08, 2013, 12:09:09 AM
Oh man, Bendis.  Age Of Ultron is going nowhere and has been such a waste of time.  One issue left so whatever.

Marvel is releasing a new Mighty Avengers book soon.  Looks to be more down to Earth than the other titles.  Not a fan of Greg Land's artwork though.

Quote
It's Mighty Avengers, by Al Ewing and Greg Land, featuring the likes of Luke Cage, Spider-Man, She-Hulk, White Tiger, Blue Marvel, Power Man...and more!

"Mighty Avengers is launching in the midst of Infinity. It's a pretty key component. The gist of the opening story is that the Avengers are off in space dealing with the Builders and in their absence, Thanos comes to Earth. A number of other characters rise up and join together to oppose to what's going on, arraying themselves around Luke Cage. 'If the Avengers aren't here, we're the Avengers.'" - Tom Brevoort
(http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201306/phpcDWRrhMIGHTYAVN2013001_DC11.jpg)
(http://cdnmo.coveritlive.com/media/image/201306/php606PUSMightyAvengers_Promo.jpg)

Blue marvel on a team is something I've wanted for a while, but falcon brings the book down. But mighty is a black team now, so that's cool
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Post by: bork on June 09, 2013, 11:55:17 AM
Aren't Luke Cage and Power Man the same person?

The dude with the goggles is the new Power-Man.  I don't get why they couldn't find an original name for him to use and keeping him in the same book as Luke Cage just makes it all the more confusing, but whatever.
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Post by: chronovore on June 09, 2013, 08:28:10 PM
BRANDING!

Why create a new hero and try to lure readers to it? It's much safer to take an existing hero's name, which has some level of public recognition, and then "add heat" to it by doing something new and potentially interesting.
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Post by: Eric P on June 18, 2013, 02:23:48 PM
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Now that Michael Alan Nelson has established his new direction and style for Supergirl, the writer is introducing Cyborg Superman to the DCnU - and to September's "Villains Month."

::)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2013, 02:55:15 PM
Cyborg Superman and Doomsday.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on June 23, 2013, 04:58:48 PM
Prophet is pretty odd. A lot of the artwork is like a pitch to movie producers. And I BET that the end will be a letdown.

It's still great ofc!
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Post by: Eric P on June 27, 2013, 01:40:35 PM
I dunno if anyone is waiting for Prophet vol 2 or not, but comixology currently has a Brandon Graham sale where you can purchase the issues for $1 a piece dropping the cost of the same issues you'd find in vol 2 to $6 rather than the $15 or whatever for the trade.

http://www.comixology.com/comics-sale?featured_id=18192

you can also grab Multiple Warheads and King Cat on the cheap
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Post by: bork on June 27, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/nhssyqe.jpg)

 :lol
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Post by: Eric P on June 28, 2013, 09:15:54 AM
re reading Lucifer and I can't believe at how well it holds up
also going through Hellblazer and I thought I'd read everything but there are many Delano stories of which I have no recollection

also late to the party but I'm reading Journey Into Mystery: The Teen Loki Years and am really enjoying the hell out of that.
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Post by: Eric P on June 29, 2013, 10:43:36 AM
i bought some floppies

The Wake 2: So this is the premise?  Scott Snyder has given us The Abyss with killer mermen? .....sure, why the fuck not?
Lazarus 1: the 1% rule the world with functionally immortal genetically enhanced operatives.  pretty cool first issue
x-men 2: much better than the first issue.  the recap that filled in the gaps on some of who the fuck these villains were made everything much easier to follow

still enjoying the living hell out of kieron Gillen's Journey Into Mystery and picked up the Ultimate Thor collection because Amazon had it for in trade for less than $1 an issue.  That book starts hella in media res, I have no idea wtf is going on.  I guess i'll have to track down JMS's Thor run.
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Post by: Eric P on July 01, 2013, 10:32:03 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/01/business/media/vertigo-a-dc-comics-brand-is-rebuilding-with-6-new-series.html?smid=tw-share&_r=1&&_r=0&pagewanted=print

Vertigo, a DC Comics Brand, Is Rebuilding With 6 New Series
By GEORGE GENE GUSTINES

DC Comics, which overhauled its comic book lineup of superheroes, including Superman, in the fall of 2011, is now turning its attention to Vertigo, its struggling imprint for mature readers.

Superheroes are the lifeblood of the comic book industry and have proved to be a big draw at the box office. But Vertigo, whose slate includes fantasy, horror and speculative fiction outside of the publisher’s mainstream lineup, has had difficulty building an audience and developing new properties.

DC, whose parent company is Time Warner, is hoping to change Vertigo’s fortune this fall with six new series premiering from October to December. The most anticipated project, “The Sandman: Overture,” a mini-series by Neil Gaiman, will begin on Oct. 30.

Vertigo, which was introduced in 1993, became known for developing new talent and presenting illustrated stories that eschewed the never-ending battles between superheroes and arch villains. The new series continue that trend and include “Hinterkind,” by Ian Edginton, which focuses on a post-apocalyptic world in which the creatures of myth and legend have returned, and “The Discipline,” by Peter Milligan, an erotic thriller about a woman at the center of an shadow war that spans eons. No capes or utility belts are to be found in the mix.

“It’s so liberating to know that I can talk about all these wonderful books,” said Shelly Bond, the executive editor of the imprint, who joined DC Comics a month before Vertigo began.

The future of Vertigo has been a source of speculation for reasons internal and external. In March, Karen Berger, Vertigo’s founding executive editor, left her full-time position. New concepts have struggled to build an audience. “Saucer Country,” a series about politics and alien abductions in the Southwest, which began in March 2012, had its final issue in April with estimated sales of fewer than 5,700 copies. The top DC book that month was “Batman,” with 132,100 copies.

DC’s biggest rival is Marvel Comics, which has 37.59 percent of the market, just slightly more than DC’s 36.75, according to John Jackson Miller, who tracks industry figures on his Web site, the Comics Chronicle (comichron.com). Vertigo is not tracked separately. DC’s market share has been steadily rising from just under 32 percent in 2008.

The industry overall also has been growing. Mr. Miller estimated that comic book sales were $700 million to $730 million last year, up from $660 million to $690 million in 2011.

Other companies, like Image Comics, have raised their profile as publishers for creators who want to retain full control, and profits, of their work. “The Walking Dead,” the zombie phenomenon from Robert Kirkman, began life at Image.

Although “Sandman,” which began in the late ’80s, predates the imprint, it was branded as a Vertigo book in 1993 and became one of its biggest successes: a perennial seller of collected editions, critically beloved, winner of multiple awards. “Sandman” helped shape the career of Mr. Gaiman, who seems to write in every form these days, including fantasy novels, screenplays and television scripts; his most recent novel, “The Ocean at the End of the Lane,” was published by William Morrow in June.

“The most peculiar thing for me about returning to ‘Sandman’ is how familiar it all feels,” Mr. Gaiman said. What is new, however, is the level of attention. “When I was writing ‘Sandman’ from 1987 to 1996, I never had the feeling at any point that approximately 50 million people were looking over my shoulder scrutinizing ever word.” (Mr. Gaiman has about two million followers on Twitter.)

For the six-issue “The Sandman: Overture,” Mr. Gaiman has been paired with J.H. Williams III, an illustrator known for his moody imagery and innovative page layouts. “They are the most beautiful pages I have ever seen in periodical comics,” Mr. Gaiman said. “I ask him to do the impossible, and he gives me back more than I asked for.”

The series will be published every other month and will alternate with a special edition of each issue, which will include more of the artwork (because of translucent word balloons developed by the letterer Todd Klein), as well as behind-the-scenes commentary and character sketches.


Another of Vertigo’s new series, “The Dead Boy Detectives,” due in November, is tied to the “Sandman” mythos. It features two characters that were introduced in “Sandman” No. 25 from 1991. The characters, Edwin and Charles, are boarding school students who died tragically and returned as ghost detectives. (In the new series, a girl, whose mortality status is unknown, will join them.)


Ms. Bond sees comic books as having been “accepted as an integral part of pop culture with all the TV shows and film franchises.” Among the ventures were the 2005 film “Constantine,” with Keanu Reeves as a man involved in the occult, which had ticket sales of around $75 million. She is eager to continue the legacy of Ms. Berger, who was known for developing emerging talent.

Some good news for Vertigo was found in an analysis of the imprint’s May sales on The Beat, the news blog of comics culture run by Marc-Oliver Frisch. The first issue of “The Wake,” a 10-issue series by the writer Scott Snyder and the artist Sean G. Murphy, sold an estimated 45,000 units, “the highest number for a Vertigo comic book since the year 2000,” he wrote.

Mr. Snyder is one of the recent success stories for Vertigo. His “American Vampire,” which began in 2010, is about a new breed of those bloodsucking creatures. The series is on hiatus and will return in December. Mr. Snyder also writes “Batman,” which was the second-best selling comic for May, at an estimated 129,039 copies. (The top seller was the first issue of a new X-Men series, from Marvel, at 177,633 copies.)

“Right now, we’re in the middle of Vertigo’s transformation from a relatively sheltered idea and talent farm to a much more competitive place,” Mr. Frisch wrote. “Whether or not this is going to help DC in re-establishing the Vertigo brand as a selling point, we’re going to find out in the next several months.”
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 01, 2013, 11:13:09 AM
Sandman with J.H. Williams III artwork :drool
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 01, 2013, 01:58:30 PM
Sandman with J.H. Williams III artwork :drool

I don't really see what the big dea--

(http://www.vertigocomics.com/sites/default/files/styles/578x_post_detail/public/SNDM_Promo.jpg?itok=8llkB40D)

:drool
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on July 01, 2013, 02:35:54 PM
Bimonthly  :-\
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Post by: Eric P on July 01, 2013, 02:44:53 PM
i'm interested in the "off month" issues i think
i am no longer a fan of gaiman so i may buy the first issue then hop off but i'm curious to see what Williams brings to the table
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on July 01, 2013, 02:53:22 PM
I dunno if anyone here is reading it but The Private Eye is pretty neat:

http://panelsyndicate.com/

Marcos Martin and name your own price <3
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Post by: Eric P on July 02, 2013, 12:50:20 PM
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St. Louis-based digital comic book Lion Forge Comics has come to licensing terms with NBCUniversal Television Consumer Products Group to develop new ‘reimagined’ digital comics based on five 1980-90’s television series, including the iconic Miami Vice and Knight Rider, along with Airwolf and Punky Brewster, and Saturday morning live-action Millennial-touchstone Saved by the Bell.

reimagined Punky Brewster and Saved By The Bell?
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2013, 12:56:16 PM
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St. Louis-based digital comic book Lion Forge Comics has come to licensing terms with NBCUniversal Television Consumer Products Group to develop new ‘reimagined’ digital comics based on five 1980-90’s television series, including the iconic Miami Vice and Knight Rider, along with Airwolf and Punky Brewster, and Saturday morning live-action Millennial-touchstone Saved by the Bell.

reimagined Punky Brewster and Saved By The Bell?

I hope they're dark and gritty, please be dark and gritty! (http://i.imgur.com/iXQ3xKg.gif)
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Post by: Eric P on July 02, 2013, 01:10:08 PM
GRRM's Saved By The Bell

"Summer is coming."

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Post by: Eric P on July 02, 2013, 04:35:48 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lWs8e5e.jpg)

couldn't find a second issue scan where they fight the soup nazi
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 02, 2013, 04:46:00 PM
Captain America/Campbell Soup/Dept. of Energy was one of the most highly anticipated cross-overs ever.
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Post by: Eric P on July 04, 2013, 09:20:28 AM
Hey Kids, Comics!

Still reading Journey Into Mystery The Kid Loki Years and enjoying the hell out of it.  Picked up the 4th trade in anticipation of needing it.  I'm finding that the B and C tier trades from Marvel are getting really difficult to find a few years after they come out.  Kind of obnoxious that they'll keep the first volume in print and not the others (as appears to be the case w/ JiM).

Lucky Luke - Vol 1 Billy The Kid.  This is a Belgian series of albums that's been getting reprinted recently.  This volume is by Goscinny and Morris.  Goscinny is better known to me as one of the creators of my favorite European comic Asterix.  This was pretty good.  Luke comes to a town that's held in the grip of terror by Billy the Kid and he out terrorizes the town to make Billy The Kid jealous.  Kind of Chaotic Neutral character.  I'll probably pick up more of these volumes

The Smurfs Vol 1. This American edition contains The Purple Smurfs (formerly the Black Smurfs)  The Flying Smurf and The Smurf and his neighbors. Good comics.  Really enjoyable and a $4 a pop on Comixology quite affordable for what you're getting; dense tales and classic cartooning.

Floppies

The Movement #3.  I'm going to stop reading this horrible comic one day, I know it.  It feels like a pro-diversity and anti-capitalism comic written by a college freshman.  It's got one of every marginalized person and the white dudes who aren't mentally ill are eeeeeeeeevil systematic oppressors.

Satellite Sam #1. Written by Fraction Drawn by Chaykin this is another dense comic about the staff of a live television serial in the 50s whose star is murdered.  we dont' get much except for set up but it's a good set up.  does a nice introduction of the series characters and the situation.  worth a read.

Batman 66 #1. I honestly don't know how I feel about this.  It's clearly designed for Comixology's Guided Reading because when you hit "next" more often then not, images in the panel change to give it a motion-comic you control feel.  It's a neat-ish trick but it won't mean much if the stories aren't any good.  And this one?  It's kind of eh.  Batman vs the Riddler Part 1 written by Jeff Parker.  It doesn't read right.  Like it doesn't FEEL like an episode of Batman 66 but rather a Gold Key adaptation of the TV series.  All the pieces are right there, but they don't really fit together into a recognizable image.  I'll give it the first storyline then probably bow out unless it improves.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 07, 2013, 06:43:50 PM
so Jim Steranko, the first comic book artist superstar, has joined twitter and it's pretty amazing

https://twitter.com/iamsteranko/

it's mostly reminiscing about comics and his life precomics.  today we found out about how he spent 12 years playing rock and roll shows under a series of assumed names carrying a loaded gun on him at all times.  people wanted to kill him but he won't say who or why or what the pseudonyms were.  He's also talked about his time as an escape artist.

seriously.  it's amazing
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Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2013, 06:55:17 PM
Was he also Chuck Berry?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Diunx on July 07, 2013, 07:45:53 PM
Sandman with J.H. Williams III artwork :drool

I don't really see what the big dea--

(http://www.vertigocomics.com/sites/default/files/styles/578x_post_detail/public/SNDM_Promo.jpg?itok=8llkB40D)

:drool

Good lord :drool
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 07, 2013, 09:03:27 PM
read a review of Superior Foes of Spider-man which made it sound pretty fun and it is.  Think low level shitty spider-man villains trying to move above their station. good comedy, good art, will probably not last that long
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 08, 2013, 08:07:53 AM
read Avenger's Children's Crusade which is really an attempt to make the larger Marvel reading public care about Young Avengers by tying them more definitively as legacy characters.  It's fun team up comics with all the two teams meet and fight for no reason other than tropes dictate that it must be so.  I like Young Avengers and I like Wiccan who takes center stage here so this book was really enjoyable to me.  I'd like to see Gillen's Loki and Wiccan team up for a story. 

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 08, 2013, 09:03:09 AM
also the new Captain America comic turns it into Prophet.  Captain America as pulp sci-fi action hero.  It's not Captain America as you'd expect and it won't last long (because the film sequel probably necessitates a "return to form" in the hunt to attract mythical new readers).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 08, 2013, 02:43:59 PM
I read Saga Book 2 and my wife finally read Saga Book 1

SO GOOD

so takes forever to come out
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2013, 08:04:11 PM
I am re-re-re-reading my trades of The Authority. Ellis nails it, start to finish. Then there are a couple transition issues which read like JLA issues with mild spices. They're by different writers, and are Authority comics in the same way that McDonalds' McNugget Honey Mustard sauce is technically mustard, but not anything one can acknowledge as mustard outside of its one, specific context.

Then Millar comes in and can't decide if he wants to write a socially relevant story, or shit all over Ellis' previous efforts. And he gets motherfucking Art Adams in on the gag. Then some Paul Gulacy, or someone very similar comes in and pees on that.

I need to remember to stop at TPB #3 next time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2013, 09:23:32 AM
when most people learn something interesting, they'll tell you about it in like a ten minute conversation
Alan Moore will talk to you about it for yeeeeeeaaaaars through the medium of comic books.

Promethea can be a horrible horrible slog.  Issue 12 is the history of the human race as metaphors in the tarot told in verse with a 20 page "joke" (i think?) running at the bottom of the pages.

The issue before that was a primer on yoga and sex magic.

I wasn't really expecting Promethea to be his telling of the Wonder Woman mythos similar to Supreme being about Superman or Miracle Man being about Captain Marvel, but I wasn't expecting it to be issue after issue of that one architecture scene in From Hell (WHICH I ACTUALLY FOUND INTERESTING!).

Luckily, I'm still reading Lucifer.  I have almost caught up to where I abandoned the series previously and though I'm very familiar with these books I'm still enjoying them a great deal.  Holds up better for me than Sandman does, probably because it's less scatter shot and Lucifer is a good character rather than a cypher for "what did Neil Gaiman read about this week?"

In addition to this I'm reading Nextwave: Agents of HATE.  I can pinpoint where I previously stopped reading comics.  Issue 4 of this series.  I liked it, but I had given up the reading of all comics in pretty much any format so I never completed it and was not motivated to do so until now.

As for floppies, I bought the new Batman 66 but haven't read it.
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Post by: Eric P on July 11, 2013, 04:38:18 PM
new marvel solicits are out and it includes a Fantomex series under the MAX stable written by a guy who hasn't done anything with comics in 20 years.



ANDREW HOPE (w) • SHAWN CRYSTAL (a)
Cover by FRANCESCO FRANCAVILLA
• The X-Men’s own International Super-Thief in his own MAX miniseries!
• Sexy secret agents, weird weaponry, vintage champagne and a damsel in distress.
• All the uncensored action you could ever want in a comic… and MORE!
32 PGS./Explicit Content …$3.99
THERE IS A STRICT NO OVERPRINT POLICY ON ALL MAX TITLES.
(http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/comicsalliance.com/files/2013/07/Fantomex_Max_01.jpg)

if it's done crazy Euro Sleaze Spy it could be awesome
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 11, 2013, 05:00:18 PM
WHY ISN'T HE CALLED FANTOMAX?!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 11, 2013, 05:30:55 PM
Fantomex seems mildly racist. I'm picturing a hispanic Phantom ripoff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 12, 2013, 11:09:03 AM
His introduction and lack of resolution in Morrison's X-MEN run was wonderful. I don't want to read anything else about him, because other writers will mess it up.

Like Xorn.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 12, 2013, 11:35:02 AM
His introduction and lack of resolution in Morrison's X-MEN run was wonderful. I don't want to read anything else about him, because other writers will mess it up.

Like Xorn.

Too late.  I had no idea who this character even was when they put him in Uncanny X-Force, but they did a pretty good job with the character in that book...for the most part.  At the end of the series,
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fantomex gets into a relationship with Psylocke, then gets killed.  His robot-ship companion thing took his place on the team and the book ended with him seemingly dead...only he then came back as three people, because of his three brains-in-one or whatever.  ??? ??? ???
[close]

So now this storyline is continuing on in the new X-Force book, with good-guy Fantomex, Cluster (female Fantomex who lezzes out for Psylocke), and dark-evil Fantomex.  And it's awful.  Actually everything about the new X-Force series is pretty bad.  It's turned into Psylocke: The Series but they've made the character all emo and boring.   Even the Cable X-Force book (yes, there's two X-Force series now  :dizzy) is better.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 12, 2013, 01:43:45 PM
yeah, I only read the first 24 issues or so and Fantomex was very well handled

but ... 3 brains ... ??? ??? ???

http://www.comicvine.com/profile/ragdollpurps/blog/kris-anka-on-clusters-design-lady-fantomex/85931/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 12, 2013, 02:07:23 PM
that's dumb

here's hoping that this is out of pocket enough to not rely on that continuity

I READ SOME FLOPPIES!  LET'S TALK ABOUT THEM
Batman '66 #2.  I like this a LOT better than the first one.  We get a window cameo which may be a bit of foreshadowing of events beyond the show, we get a reference to the bat watusi, we get a knock down drag out fight with catwoman and her henchmen, we get Batman actually failing at something.  This issue is a lot more fun than the first one.  I'll keep buying it.  I mean, it's a buck.  Hard to get mad at that.

Ghosted #1. Casper's 11.  Dude is in prison, dude is broken out of prison by a heavily armed woman (comically overarmed), dude is told he has to steal a ghost from a mansion with a dark past in exchange for his freedom, dude says sure as long as i can bring my own people, and he assembles a kooky squad.  i mean, it's a heist story with a twist.  but we don't know enough about the world at large to know if the ghost (or ghosts in genera) even exists in this world.  it could be a snipe hunt.  i wish it had begun in media res, because everyone has enough experience with heist stories that they could have easily begun with issue 2.  team assembled, about to scope out the joint before breaking in.  this issue is all stuff that could have been told in brief flashbacks, or even filled in through character interactions.  i'll check out at least two more issues before i make a decision but there's some problematic things that are kind of making my enjoyment of the situation somewhat guarded.

sheltered #1. Survivalists vs THEIR OWN CHILDREN.  I liked this, probably more than i should have.  first issue so we just get character and situation introductions.  basically it's a survivalist compound out in the woods and the kids, for some unrevealed reason, split the men and the women up and then slaughter the men.  and that's basically it. no thought as to why, we spend more time with people who are murdered than we do with the murderers, so we don't really get a sense of what caused this to happen.  I'm intrigued enough to come back for at least the first arc.

in a (probably misguided or not at all helpful) attempt to prevent Fearless Defenders from being cancelled, I've decided to start buying that monthly rather than waiting for trades.  Waiting for trades sucks when you buy the first volume of something and enjoy it only to realize you're never getting a second one.

also i checked out the economics of marvel's trades right now and they're totally fucked.

I bought two of the new Marvel Now! hardcovers.  Indestructible Hulk and Captain America.  They're MSRP of $25 for 5 issues.  That's $5 an issue, so it costs MORE than if you were buying the floppies.  That's crazy.  I ordered them through Amazon so they were $17 or so which is still kind of high for an hour or so's worth of reading.  The TPBs are a bit better at $17 MSRP but through Amazon they're routinely $10 or less (esp if you pre-order).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 12, 2013, 02:42:07 PM
I got some comics at Half-Price Books yesterday

they had the first collection of Kochalka's American Elf for $8

and a shrinkwrapped hardcover of Ozma of Oz for $15. I'm actually a whore for non-movie Oz continuity and Ozma's my favorite book.

someone had also nuked their Lucifer TPB collection but if I'm gonna buy that physically I'm gonna get the new releases

yay comics
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Post by: chronovore on July 12, 2013, 11:53:29 PM
I would have snatched that whole Lucifer collection up, like a snatching thing with extra snatching appendages.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2013, 01:44:38 AM
Caught up on Batman (didn't we already have Zero Hour? Now we need a whole Zero Year?) and TWD (rick stahp wat r u doin.)

Also reading Kingdom Come for the first time and... I think this might be my favorite comic ever. I mean I read the Wiki on it years ago but I've been disappointed by the actual writing in other comics I did that for (Batman RIP, Battle for the Cowl, and Final Crisis especially.) So I thought there would be no way it could actually capitalize on its potential, but man does it ever. The art is gorgeous too, but you already knew that. Probably the best looking cape comic ever, and fits the book like a glove.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 14, 2013, 04:24:32 PM
first episode of Beware The Batman aired yesterday and it wasn't that bad.

the CGI takes a bit of getting used to, but this is a younger batman with a different rogues gallery thus far
first episode dealt with Professor Pyg in a far less violent role, teamed up with mister toad (both from the recent Morrison run) to take billionaires hostage in vengeance for a land deal gone wrong.

we meet Alfred who is essentially played by Jason Statham, a lanky cockney take on the Alfred we know and love from Untold Legend of the Batman  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Untold_Legend_of_the_Batman where he's very physical rather than the passive comedic foil we've often seen.

and we also get a female character who isn't Barbara Gordon.  Katana is hired (i guess) by Alfred to be Bruce Wayne's bodyguard.

For a first episode, I liked it.  It doesn't rely on the same 7 Batman villains we've always dealt with, instead pulling from more recent comics.

Next episode features Magpie of all people and the third episode has Anarky, you know the teenage anarchist who wore a guy fawkes mask to take down corporations and corrupt governments.... wait a minute, is 4chan writing this series?
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Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2013, 04:29:48 PM
I only know Anarky from the Red Robin series where the old Anarky was a good guy but comatose and the new Anarky was straight up crazyville evil. Oh and there was something about a villain internet they had to fight in...
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 15, 2013, 01:50:35 PM
I think I read some interview where they said they were setting up Anarky as the major foil for Batman in the series, so that's cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 16, 2013, 09:05:52 AM
comixology is having a huge Top Shelf sale
Here's what I have read and liked

Box Office Poison - slice of life book about young people in nyc.  i really liked this, but i don't recall it having any sort of overarching story, just some people falling into and out of love $4

Essex County - the book that put Jeff Lemire on the map.  collection of three free standing stories which take place in rural Canada.  I loved these. $4

From Hell - Alan Moore's Jack the Ripper comic. Essential reading. $4

Infinite Kung-Fu - crazy action comics. $4

Underwater Welder - kind of a twilight zone ish tale about a guy who doesn't deal with family related stress very well.  very good.  $4

League of Extraordinary Gentlemen  20th Century.  3 books, $3 a pop.

Lovely Horrible Stuff - Eddie Campbell talks about money and its affect on society and its history. $3

Three Fingers - a fake documentary in comics form about cartoon characters in the 30s.  very dark. kind of a one note joke, but enjoyable enough for $2





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Post by: Eric P on July 18, 2013, 07:27:03 AM
New Floppies.

Batman 66 is out in physical format, but I still advocate just getting it on Comixology for the almost motion comic style of reading.  It's good, fun comics.

Red Sonja, I have no love for Red Sonja as a character so I don't have any thoughts of the character other than "female Conan."  Despite the hate / hate relationship I have w/ The Movement, I'm still a fan of Gail Simone, so I decided to check it out.  It's good sword n sorcery comics.  Violent and action packed.  I'll check out at least the first arc.

Mad Magazine #1.  DC added the first 24 issues of Mad to Comixology using the cleaned up scans which make up the Mad Archives.  They're $2 a pop w/ the first issue being free.  I've read this issue so many times in my life but this is the first time it's really looked this clean to me.  It may be fine in the archives, but those are stupid expensive.
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Post by: chronovore on July 18, 2013, 07:27:03 PM
They should put them out at the original price for a weekend sale. Was that 35¢?
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Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2013, 06:12:56 AM
That would be great but I think the lowest they do is $.99.

At the suggestion of one of the old fogey comics blogs I follow I bought the Superman Phantom Zone trade and guys, it is nuts.

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Phantom-Zone-Graphic-Novels/dp/1401240518

Written by Steve Gerber (Howard the Duck) and drawn by Gene Colan (Tomb of Dracula) it is Superman versus the worst criminals of Krypton  in a mini-series that sees Superman essentially go through HP Lovecraft's The Dreamlands.  I could post the craziest images from the books, but it would pretty much literally be the entire book.

There are things in there that I you wouldn't believe belong in a mainstream DC publication of the 80s.  Like the naked Kryptonian woman who seducs an earth man only to cuddle him so hard his spine snaps.  or hal jordan straight up getting his ass kicked in two panels, or the extended fight sequence where Zod and his minions beat holy hell out of Supergirl almost killing her, or the aforementioned superman in the dreamlands versus both psychological monsters made real or lovecraftian monsters, or basically death disembowling supes, or superman literally melting.  each page for the 3rd and 4th issues is pretty much crazier than the rest.

absolutely recommended if only because of how insane it is.

as it's 80s Gerber, it's really talky, like captions in every panel and the non-psychedelic art can be kind of rough at times, but it's some of the strangest shit i've read in a flagship title pre-dating morrison's run on anything.

(http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060302131412/marvel_dc/images/thumb/7/71/Phantom_Zone_3.jpg/300px-Phantom_Zone_3.jpg)
stuff like this actually happens in that issue and it's not the craziest stuff in that issue.
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Post by: Eric P on July 19, 2013, 11:10:14 AM
Gina Carano Joins Rob Liefeld To Bring AVENGELYNE To Big Screen

wildly different from the comic already as Gina Carano has feet.
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Post by: bork on July 19, 2013, 01:51:12 PM
 :lol
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 19, 2013, 08:29:59 PM
GRRM's Saved By The Bell

"Summer is coming."
I enjoyed this joke!
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 19, 2013, 08:33:03 PM
Fantomex seems mildly racist. I'm picturing a hispanic Phantom ripoff.
This also pleased my laughter glands.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 19, 2013, 08:35:53 PM
Sleeper big thick chunky hardback edition arrived. It's a thing of beauty, and makes me sad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 21, 2013, 02:27:40 PM
have watched 3 episodes of new cartoon series Avengers Assemble and like most other properties it's taking a very movie centric take on the team.  Cap, Hawkeye, Iron Man, Hulk and Thor are aided by new full timer Falcon, dressed in comics style armor rather than the movie style images (red and white rather than black uniform like armor).

iron man isn't quite going for the RDJ interpretation.  it sounds like marty mcfly to me which kind of jars me out of it.  there's an overarching plot where the red skull in iron man's armor is now iron skull and he's trying to put together some anti-avengers w/ MODOK.  The first two episodes are getting the avengers back together having been "fired" by iron man in the previous time.  it's the introduction of iron skull and modok and skull's plan to get everyone together.  black widow is involved but rather as an acillary member of the avnegers and is handled quite well.

the third episode i saw (am watching now) is basically the Fear Itself story line.  Doom / Hammer / World Destroying Serpent etc.

The editing is the star here as action scenes will feature split screen, aspect ratio changes etc to give a comic book style presentation. 

weirdly Falcon has gotten more / better screen time than Captain America.  He's presented as kind of an everyman in a fantastical situation (which is a very good choice).  Hawkeye is kind of a joker / nerd who laments the loss of his comic books after the original avengers mansion is destroyed.
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Post by: Diunx on July 21, 2013, 02:44:52 PM
Any comics news out of comic con?
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on July 21, 2013, 08:18:03 PM
I really hope Vertigo aren't doomed.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 21, 2013, 09:29:25 PM
I really hope Vertigo aren't doomed.
Doesn't seem like it with new Sandman and a bunch of other new titles.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 22, 2013, 09:33:05 AM
Yeah a few months ago, i'd have been concerned but it looks like they're trying to keep the lights on, though let's face it it's basically been The Fables imprint for quite a while as nothing else has seemingly stuck. RIP Saucer Country.
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Post by: Eric P on July 22, 2013, 09:40:21 AM
Finally had some time to read Glory Vol 2 and Prophet Vol 2.

Glory Vol 2 tries to wrap up what was obviously going to be a longer storyline in just a few issues due to impending cancellation.  This kind of freedom gave the title the ability to be super creative and kind of go off the rails.  I'm still processing it, but it's good comics with some actual trope subversion and a very nice cap off that sees the series out on a somewhat uplifting note even if literally everyone you've come to know over the past 12 issues was murdered horribly.

Prophet Vol 2.  It's getting more and more elements from the old Youngblood universe in it and I don't know how i feel about that.  This volume is about a Prophet clone who is gathering up the members of Youngblood.  It's still good space pew pew metal hurlant sans boobs though, don't get me wrong.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 24, 2013, 12:14:52 PM
finished Promethea last night and it is PLAINLY Alan Moore using comics to talk to you about Hermetic Magical Traditions.  That's it.  31 issues of it with a 1 issue wrap up / Cliff Notes.

Absolutely beautiful and ambitious but jesus christ I found it absolutely boring.  Of course I grew up weird so I know most of the stuff it goes over so there's nothing really new or exciting here for me.  People not steeped in occultism may find the cosmology that he hacks out here interesting but the methodology was totally Alan Moore in "I'm going to lecture you" mode.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 24, 2013, 06:34:35 PM
Promethea was terrible, but the Scrabble anagram tarot issue is amazing from a purely logistical perspective

not from a comical one however

it starts out okay but about halfway through just turns into whinging old man lecture mode
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Post by: Eric P on July 25, 2013, 06:59:39 AM
I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way.  Unfortunately our library system doesn't have collections of Tom Strong or his other ABC works which is a shame, because I never read those past the first trade.  I think the only series I actually read as it was published was Top 10.

In other news, I read a blog post talking about how cool Superior Spider-man is and it is indeed awesome.  Doc Octopus in Peter Parker's body trying to do good and just going about it the absolute wrong way.  He's trying to do good but he is so evil at heart he just does it in horrible ways.  Great stuff.  Will totally be retconned and removed from canon because we have a new movie coming out, but it's a fun ride while it lasts.
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Post by: chronovore on July 26, 2013, 08:26:07 AM
Yeah, Promethea also left me cold. It is smart and gorgeous, and just not much fun to read. I think I have 10 issues or so.

Neonomicon was a good read. Some of it was genuinely unsettling.

I've had Lost Girls since it came out, and can't be bothered to read it.

Rereading Top Ten and 49ers was really great though.
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Post by: Eric P on July 26, 2013, 09:19:05 AM
the newest issue of Batman 66 is not optimized for guided view reading, though it's published at screen ratio, so you can maximize it and it will fill your monitor screen nicely.  This issue deals with The Penguin dragging an iceberg to Gotham Harbor and having it declared a sovereign nation by the UN (shades of lex luthor's Superman Returns plot).  There's a final page reveal that sets up part two, but if you think about it real hard you can probably guess what it is based on the previous sentence.

Lazarus issue 2 deals mostly with the family dynamics and doesn't advance the plot too much.  Still good but it's mostly talky after last issue's mostly action tale. It's Rucka so it's good reading.  The art is mostly complimentary, though it leans a bit too much on "the future is brown" trope.

Speaking of Rucka, to celebrate the wolverine movie opening, Comixology has a ton of Wolverine issues on sale.  I highly recommend Rucka and Millar's run.  Rucka takes a kind of contemplative small story look at the character while Millar says "fuck that let's have him fight the marvel universe" with Enemy of the State.  They're very different tellings of Wolverine, but both are good.  If you're low on cash, I'd say just buy Enemy of the State storyline and the first 6 of Rucka's run.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 26, 2013, 11:32:03 AM
Tom Strong is pretty good, BUT when I read Moore's Supreme a few years later it seemed like warmed over that. supreme, astoundingly, is great.
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Post by: Eric P on July 30, 2013, 12:14:27 PM
I'm crazy late on this but Life With Archie appears to be the Funky Winkerbean of Archie Comics


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The Eisner-nominated series continues with Life With Archie #31! In “Archie Marries Veronica,” Riverdale’s been hit hard by a string of misfortunes. Most recently there was a horrific mass shooting at a nearby mall, and then Fred Mirth fled town and took most of his money and businesses with him! These unfortunate events have been affecting the Riverdale gang pretty hard—Jughead’s Chocklit Shoppe is unlikely to succeed, and Veronica’s been arrested for fraud! Her connection to Kevin isn’t helping his candidacy much, either. How can Riverdale possibly recover?

http://comicsalliance.com/life-with-archie-31-gun-control-urban-crime-preview/
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on July 30, 2013, 12:42:14 PM
Anyone else play the Deadpool game? This thread seems more appropriate.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 30, 2013, 12:59:58 PM
Yeah Lazarus seems pretty solid so far and actually moving pretty steadily. Obviously something is up with Forever, but issue 2 was dropping some pretty big hints already.

I never read Gotham Central(something I'll change soon thanks to this and Fatale) and so I'm not use to this artist. It's not bad and probably fits the book, but I do wish it was a bit more vibrant. 
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Post by: Dickie Dee on July 30, 2013, 01:09:15 PM
Anyone else play the Deadpool game? This thread seems more appropriate.

Looked insufferable in the Giantbomb quick look

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd1_PYgRXj8
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Post by: bork on July 30, 2013, 01:10:23 PM
Anyone else play the Deadpool game? This thread seems more appropriate.

Nah, I just watched some of the cut scenes on Youtube.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 31, 2013, 01:47:07 AM
It had this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYw6V5HBMIw
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Post by: Raban on July 31, 2013, 02:40:25 AM
:leon
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Post by: Himu on July 31, 2013, 02:45:00 AM
I'm crazy late on this but Life With Archie appears to be the Funky Winkerbean of Archie Comics


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The Eisner-nominated series continues with Life With Archie #31! In “Archie Marries Veronica,” Riverdale’s been hit hard by a string of misfortunes. Most recently there was a horrific mass shooting at a nearby mall, and then Fred Mirth fled town and took most of his money and businesses with him! These unfortunate events have been affecting the Riverdale gang pretty hard—Jughead’s Chocklit Shoppe is unlikely to succeed, and Veronica’s been arrested for fraud! Her connection to Kevin isn’t helping his candidacy much, either. How can Riverdale possibly recover?

http://comicsalliance.com/life-with-archie-31-gun-control-urban-crime-preview/

funky winkerbean depresses me
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Post by: Himu on July 31, 2013, 03:32:14 AM
been reading up on funky and crankshaft story developments since my post and HOLY SHIT :rofl WHAT THE FUCK
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Post by: chronovore on July 31, 2013, 07:14:34 PM
I just finished Neonomicon.

Fantastic read and great use of the Cthulhu mythos, one of my favorite horror comics of all time. I also just found out it's a sequel to Alan Moore's The Courtyard, which I'm obviously going to check out soon.

Ooh, I didn't know about The Courtyard. I'll grab that.

I quite liked Neonomicon.
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Post by: Eric P on August 01, 2013, 07:54:42 AM
So the first trade collection of FF makes no sense because it starts with issue number 4.  I pre-ordered it months ago and just assumed it would start at the beginning of the series.  In reading it, I realized my error.  Today I went looking to see if the other issues were collected elsewhere and I had just missed them, but that doesn't seem to be the case.

It's just a really weird marketing move.

I had to go back and pick up the previous issues from Comixology this morning to try to come to grips with what is going on in the series.
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Post by: bork on August 01, 2013, 11:28:51 AM
I'm crazy late on this but Life With Archie appears to be the Funky Winkerbean of Archie Comics


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The Eisner-nominated series continues with Life With Archie #31! In “Archie Marries Veronica,” Riverdale’s been hit hard by a string of misfortunes. Most recently there was a horrific mass shooting at a nearby mall, and then Fred Mirth fled town and took most of his money and businesses with him! These unfortunate events have been affecting the Riverdale gang pretty hard—Jughead’s Chocklit Shoppe is unlikely to succeed, and Veronica’s been arrested for fraud! Her connection to Kevin isn’t helping his candidacy much, either. How can Riverdale possibly recover?

http://comicsalliance.com/life-with-archie-31-gun-control-urban-crime-preview/

What the fuck?   :lol
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 02, 2013, 12:54:53 AM
Read the 1st issue of Collider. Seems solid, the art reminds of the art of Ming Doyole's in Mara. Physics FBI Agents is kind of a cool idea.

The Wake Issue 3 basically had kicked the story into high gear. The Wake seems really crazy and I'm really excited to see where this goes. The art is also amazing.

And happily the Fantomex crap is over in Uncanny X-Force. Just a really stupid and creepy little arch.
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Post by: Eric P on August 02, 2013, 06:32:14 AM
Yeah I liked Collider as well.  The Wake is like The Abyss as directed by Aliens James Cameron.  I was a little concerned when the reveal was "mermen.  evil mermen." but it's been pretty cool so far.

X-Men issue 3 was pretty good.  It's improved, or I've gotten used to the comic, with each successive issue.  I like this Kitty Pryde a lot.  Smart and confident and in charge. 

I grabbed last week's Hawkeye Annual, and guys, Hawkeye is just consistently the best thing I'm reading.  It's just stupid good.

Fearless Defenders has taken an interesting turn.  I like the comic and it's a shame that it's not going to stick around.

Thanks to a recent comixology sale I'm currently going through the X-23 Series and it's basically Teen Wolverine searches for her past.  I've heard it praised quite a bit so I snagged the entire run.  So far it's competent but not mind blowing.
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Post by: Eric P on August 02, 2013, 02:41:09 PM
finally finished Justice League Dark vol 2 today and it is horrible.  it's almost literally like watching an American remake of a British TV Show or something.
Everything is stupid and bad and dumb and I feel worse for reading it.

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Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 02, 2013, 03:14:23 PM
I liked X-men Issue 3 if only because it features a cast I like. It was also nice to see some use of those background young-X-men. I'm also kind of happy Prime Sentinel or whatever her name was is back. I really didn't expect that from this arch.

I'm not sure I like this Sublime since all I remember from New X-men is him being extremely slimy. Though I kind of hope he sticks around to have some sort of "is he gonna betray them or not" tension. And hey he seems to have something going on with Rachel Grey and that's kind of cool.

I don't know seems like a good book. I've dropped Wolverine and the X-men because it's not what I want from an X-men comic. Cable and X-Force has kind of been average. Uncanny X-Force has just been kind of lame recently. All New X-men is slow as fuck, which is a shame because you just know it can and maybe will lead to some cool things. Really the best xbooks are this and Uncanny if you ask me.
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Post by: Eric P on August 05, 2013, 07:57:43 AM
what in the holy hell is happening at DC?

Huge ass article about DC

http://whenwillthehurtingstop.blogspot.com/2013/08/sir.html

So it turns out that the mysterious woman who was inserted into background shots of every Nu52 first issue is actually Pandora - the real, mythical Pandora, of Greek myth, who opened Pandora's Box and allowed evil to enter the world. She's wandered the Earth for thousands of years, cursed as punishment for her transgressions. She is one of the story's titular "trinity of sin" - the other two being the Phantom Stranger and the Question. The former has been completely revamped, given a confirmed origin as Judas Iscariot, and given a secret identity, a human family, and a talking dog sidekick; the latter has been revamped into a mysterious amnesiac ancient evildoer forced to live forever, walking the earth in search of the question (get it?) that will reveal his identity. It should not need to be said that both of these revamps commit unforgivable violence against the characters' original intent. Since the first cryptic announcement of the Trinity War, fans assumed that the trinity in question would be the familiar trinity of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. I must give them some points for defying expectations, but in this instance the expectations would certainly have made more sense than what we got.

Oddly enough for a crossover involving two of the best-selling comic books in the country, the story actually picks up on a few plotlines from third-string titles like Team 7 (already canceled) and Phantom Stranger (not yet canceled but sells like shit, despite the fact that - notwithstanding the awful creative choices made in rebooting the character, J.M. DeMatteis makes the book at least somewhat readable). They've been very methodical in terms of laying the groundwork for this story. The plot begins when Pandora discovers that if a truly good soul reopens Pandora's Box, then the evils that were once trapped in the box will be reimprisoned once again. Like most sane people she assumes Superman to be genuinely good, but of course since this is the Nu52 he's not, so instead of opening the box and solving all evil it instead fucks with his head enough that he murders Doctor Light by blowing his head off with heat vision. Which is exactly what I want to see in a Superman story: Superman failing the moral paragon test and being tricked into killing people. The murder happens during the Justice League's big fight with the Justice League of America (controlled by the unappealing, amoral Nu52 Amanda Waller) in Kahndaq, after intercepting Shazam who has come to the country to spread Black Adam's ashes after killing him last month. After the fight in which Superman kills Dr. Light, the two teams come together in order to try to solve the problem with Superman. The teams split down the middle regarding the plan of action while Wonder Woman seeks out the Justice League Dark for their help, at which point Constantine tries to trick Wonder Woman into becoming his slave. (Which is just a fantastic thing to do, really.) But meanwhile the real villain is a character who (apparently) survived the destruction of the Flashpoint universe and, for some reason, is trying to rule the world by capturing Pandora. Or something along those lines, admittedly the story is still only halfway done. Phew.
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Post by: Yeti on August 05, 2013, 10:05:48 AM
DC  :holeup
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Post by: bork on August 05, 2013, 10:44:58 AM
Put all that shit aside.  The storyline is just the first big crossover arc for all three Justice League Teams (should have been four, I guess, but DC wants to forget that one book already failed and was canceled, then sort of-kind of resurrected again as JLA) and it actually does a decent job of bringing some of the stuff that started when the New 52 began full-circle.  The villain (or villains?) you're talking about is apparently
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Owl-Man and the Earth he came from is still there in some form or another
[close]
.  So they've already got a convoluted mess of a universe going on again with at least three different DC earths after what, a year and a half since they rebooted everything AGAIN?   :lol
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Post by: bork on August 05, 2013, 10:48:16 AM
 :lol


On a somewhat-related topic, my iPhone got all fucked up yesterday and I ended up having to wipe the whole thing and start all over without a backup to get it working again.  I lost 11 GB of comics that I had stored on there and have been redownloading everything.  It actually feels kind of good looking at a bunch of Marvel and DC series and realizing I'm never going to read them -because they're crap- and just skipping over them now.  It's nice having a lot of free space available on my phone again.   :P
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Post by: chronovore on August 06, 2013, 09:12:35 AM
Re-reading Darwyn Cooke's Parker adaptations.

So good. Every page should be framed.
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Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2013, 09:39:45 AM
Hey kids, Comics!

Sheltered #2. I like this comic.  the first issue we got the shocking act, and now we start to get some of the reasons for that act with some dissent showing up in the members of the new community while setting up a confrontation in the next issue.  I'm very intrigued by this comic.  I think I know where it's going, but I will admit that I could be totally wrong.  I like the art and I like the visual storytelling.  It's very clear what is happening and why.

Movement #4. I hate myself and I want to die.  I am buying this in an effort to show that people would like diversity in their comics, but jesus christ this is just not very good. It's horrible agitprop and it conveys messages with which I agree but it does so in this kind of base lowest common denominator way.  A+ for the cast but ugh for everything else.

Sidekicks #1. Rick Veitch's BratPack light for most of the issue.  Teen Side kick turned 20+ side kick who had one moment of glory is in a downward spiral....and then his mentor is assassinated right in front of him.  So now the Sidekick has to find a source of income and a purpose in life.  Sure he has super powers, but they're not great and he's not that good at heroing, so the city has to find a new hero to watch over everything.  Straczynski sets up an interesting situation then does a final page reveal that kind of irked me. It's a cheap hook and instantly makes the book less interesting to me which is a shame because what came before that stuff was pretty grand.

Trillium #1. I liked Underwater Wielder, loved Essex County, and was ultimately disappointed with Sweet Tooth, and straight up loathe his Nu52 DC comics stuff, but I was kind of looking forward to this and it is pretty grand.  If you buy this, buy a physical copy because it's a flip book.  The story is told through one perspective on one side of the book, and another on the flip and they meet in the middle of the book.  It's a cool way to tell the story and one that will not be properly conveyed through Comixology.

Satellite Sam #2.  I haven't finished this one because i found it really difficult to read digitally.  I will probably buy these in physical form from now on.

I totally forgot to buy Batman 66, so I have no idea if that's any good or not.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2013, 11:41:50 AM
I read The Bunker #1, and it seems like it could be a really good series. A group of kids find a LOST-esque underground bunker. There's no dicking around though, they pop that thing open and climb right in almost in the first panel. It seems like they're giving the whole thing away from the very beginning, but it's clear there's more layers to what's going on than there initially seems. Shit's gonna go down.
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Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2013, 11:52:20 AM
sounds interesting so i snagged a copy
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Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2013, 12:07:07 PM
Batman 66 continues to be lovably goofy

(http://i.imgur.com/W9mE06l.png)
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Post by: Eric P on August 08, 2013, 02:51:07 PM
people lined up over night to buy tickets to NYCC

https://www.facebook.com/events/610272282338282/

i walked by all these people while i was out at lunch and had no idea why there were like 6 blocks of nothing but nerds hanging out down town

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=639010522777548&set=gm.613691168663060&type=1&theater

that guy showed up at 3 pm yesterday and was the first in line
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Post by: Eric P on August 09, 2013, 10:37:11 PM
just finished the great lucifer read project

:(

so fucking good
absolutely wonderful final issues.

i would have straight murdered someone though if i were reading it monthly

big Huge CLIFFHANGER
2 issue diversion which is also kind of cool, but COME ON!!!!

so good.

so so good.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2013, 11:08:22 PM
what in the holy hell is happening at DC?

Huge ass article about DC

http://whenwillthehurtingstop.blogspot.com/2013/08/sir.html

So it turns out that the mysterious woman who was inserted into background shots of every Nu52 first issue is actually Pandora - the real, mythical Pandora, of Greek myth, who opened Pandora's Box and allowed evil to enter the world. She's wandered the Earth for thousands of years, cursed as punishment for her transgressions. She is one of the story's titular "trinity of sin" - the other two being the Phantom Stranger and the Question. The former has been completely revamped, given a confirmed origin as Judas Iscariot, and given a secret identity, a human family, and a talking dog sidekick; the latter has been revamped into a mysterious amnesiac ancient evildoer forced to live forever, walking the earth in search of the question (get it?) that will reveal his identity. It should not need to be said that both of these revamps commit unforgivable violence against the characters' original intent. Since the first cryptic announcement of the Trinity War, fans assumed that the trinity in question would be the familiar trinity of Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. I must give them some points for defying expectations, but in this instance the expectations would certainly have made more sense than what we got.

Oddly enough for a crossover involving two of the best-selling comic books in the country, the story actually picks up on a few plotlines from third-string titles like Team 7 (already canceled) and Phantom Stranger (not yet canceled but sells like shit, despite the fact that - notwithstanding the awful creative choices made in rebooting the character, J.M. DeMatteis makes the book at least somewhat readable). They've been very methodical in terms of laying the groundwork for this story. The plot begins when Pandora discovers that if a truly good soul reopens Pandora's Box, then the evils that were once trapped in the box will be reimprisoned once again. Like most sane people she assumes Superman to be genuinely good, but of course since this is the Nu52 he's not, so instead of opening the box and solving all evil it instead fucks with his head enough that he murders Doctor Light by blowing his head off with heat vision. Which is exactly what I want to see in a Superman story: Superman failing the moral paragon test and being tricked into killing people. The murder happens during the Justice League's big fight with the Justice League of America (controlled by the unappealing, amoral Nu52 Amanda Waller) in Kahndaq, after intercepting Shazam who has come to the country to spread Black Adam's ashes after killing him last month. After the fight in which Superman kills Dr. Light, the two teams come together in order to try to solve the problem with Superman. The teams split down the middle regarding the plan of action while Wonder Woman seeks out the Justice League Dark for their help, at which point Constantine tries to trick Wonder Woman into becoming his slave. (Which is just a fantastic thing to do, really.) But meanwhile the real villain is a character who (apparently) survived the destruction of the Flashpoint universe and, for some reason, is trying to rule the world by capturing Pandora. Or something along those lines, admittedly the story is still only halfway done. Phew.

You'd think this kind of stuff would make me not wanna read DC, but it doesn't. Actually I feel like I should try to get caught up now.
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Post by: Eric P on August 11, 2013, 07:57:16 AM
Also finally wrapped Journey Into Mystery w/ Teen Loki.  This book is a lot of fun.  It's kind of like Superior Spider-Man where you watch a villain use their villainous gifts to go straight, in the case of Loki, it's very similar to Lucifer where he is just trying to set up a million different scenarios and carry them through with just his words alone.  Very fun fantasy comics and highly recommended.  I was able to jump in with no knowledge of Fear Itself, the cross over from which it sprung.

Speaking of Thor, I was able to find the straczynski thor trades for cheap on amazon (around $10 a volume, so about half price in some instances) so i grabbed them.  when i finish them i'll finally be able to read the kieron gellon thor trade i picked up a while ago that made 0 sense as it was trying to wrap up Straczynski's story lines.

This interest in Thor is 100% coming from my enjoyment of Journey, otherwise I just wouldn't really care. 
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2013, 03:45:29 PM
Gettin' back into DC.

Animal Man #1-12
Frankenstein, Agent of SHADE#1-12
Swamp Thing #1-12


Decided to read these three together because they all intersect during the Rotworld crossover, which is the point I'm up to. They've all been pretty solid, but I think I like Frankenstein the most (so of course that's the one that's already been cancelled). It kinda feels like DC Presents Hellboy, but it's not bad though.

OMAC #1-8

Decided to knock this one out since it only ran 8 issues, and I'm not surprised this got cancelled. It felt like they were throwing everything at the wall to see what stuck, and not very much of it did. Right out of the gate, it's throwing a ton of continuity baggage at you; Cadmus, Dubbilex, Checkmate, Max Lord, Brother Eye, etc. It's all a crazy mix of original Jack Kirby OMAC & The OMAC Project/Infinite Crisis. But despite that, the story's just not very interesting at all, and their idea of making it more interesting is to just have OMAC fight random other characters for no reason. Max Lord "pulled some strings" and now Superman shows up to fight OMAC for bit. Then he leaves. Then Frankenstein shows up for a tussle. But OMAC always teleports away before either side "wins" so it's pretty pointless.
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Post by: Eric P on August 12, 2013, 04:11:27 PM
I think Swamp Thing and Animal Man are the only two non BatFam related books I have any interest in continuing at this point.

Oh, and I actually liked The Bunker.  I'm curious as to how long it will actually last because it seems like 20th Century Boys in reverse.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on August 14, 2013, 11:15:16 AM
The  Secret Service is worth reading if only to see how utterly primed it is for the big screen (cinema). The Mark Hamill escape bit is quite funny too.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on August 14, 2013, 11:17:52 AM
Oh yeah, I agree with Promethea, it looks loverly, but is really Moore just spunking out his thoughts and favourite esoterica after the first bit, which I really really liked. The rock concert bit, and the first I am Promethea bit.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on August 14, 2013, 11:18:21 AM
Three bits fact fans.
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Post by: Eric P on August 14, 2013, 11:19:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/6xUV73V.png)

seems kind of rude to just call that guy a trick

(ghosted #2)
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Post by: Eric P on August 16, 2013, 09:17:05 AM
Hey, kids!  Comics!

It was kind of a slow week this week, so i went back and nabbed a few things which had eluded me last week.

Superior Foes of Spider-man #2.  Excellent little comedy series about incompetent villains punching way above their weight class.  fun story, fun miserable little characters and very expressive art really sell this.  a lot of fun to read

Batman '66 #7 -  The Joker!  Kind of weird because this series also introduces Harley Quinn 66 (or at least her civilian identity).  the joker is drawn with his mustache intact!

ghosted #2 - seems a little grim n gritty right now with the out right murder of someone who COULD be a problem for their heist but is not actually a problem.  we've also had an injection of cosmic horror.  here's hoping this doesn't devolve into a lovecraft pastiche.  also this has gone from mini-series to ongoing which is kind of disconcerting, honestly.

red sonja #2 - this is why i like Gail Simone.  excessively violent and excessively fun.  far better than her message comix.

fearless defenders #8 -this is kind of like a more serious Agents of H.A.T.E. which is reinforced by the addition of Elsa Bloodstone to the mix.  Also this comic has shot up a dollar per issue.  I don't know if i will keep reading it monthly or just wait for the trades.

Back Issue Bin
I've just finished Straczynski's Thor Run and I liked it.  I never really cared about Thor until I read Journey Into Mystery which was all about Kid Loki and Thor's side characters.  I grabbed the complete Kieron Gillen Thor trade for $8 from Amazon but it started in media res (all the Asgardians living in Latveria, Thor exiled) so i had no idea what was actually happening.  So I started grabbing JMS's books on the cheap and reading those to fill in the blanks.

There's some stuff which is really problematic (to say the least) like the big nordic god beating up on swaths of africans aided by german and french mercenaries.  Seems...uh ignorant of racist imagery and colonialism as a historical force in perceptions of africa as a continent and africans as people.  also I don't like Loki in this book.  I prefer trickster god who manipulates others, but this guy is just basically EEEEEEEVIL.  Seems overly cartoonish.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 16, 2013, 03:14:45 PM
Batman '66 #7 -  The Joker!  Kind of weird because this series also introduces Harley Quinn 66 (or at least her civilian identity).  the joker is drawn with his mustache intact!

I heard rumors of Batman '66 Professor Pyg. Confirm/deny.
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Post by: Eric P on August 16, 2013, 04:15:14 PM
not yet

he was in the new Batman cartoon but i haven't seen him in 66
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Post by: Eric P on August 17, 2013, 10:35:41 AM
Hulk and the Agents of SMASH cartoon has Paul Dini as a creative consultant and he wrote the first two episodes
It's got an interesting tone and structure.

Hulk is joined by Red Hulk, She Hulk (not a lawyer in this, but rather a stunt person), Skaar and Rick Jones who is exposed to gamma radiation and is A-Bomb.

The structure is that of a comedy action cartoon with elements of Reality Show confessionals interjected at random times as Rick Jones is making a web reality series about the Hulk when everything first goes down. 

I liked it.  It's a bit goofier than the Avengers but it's pretty good.

There are certainly worse ways to spend 23 minutes on your couch.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on August 17, 2013, 05:39:52 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, it sounds pretty good.
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Post by: Yeti on August 17, 2013, 07:50:14 PM
It sounds a little like Ultimate Spider-Man, which I'm not a big fan of.
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Post by: Eric P on August 18, 2013, 08:26:24 AM
I watched about 15 minutes of one episode of Ultimate Spider-Man and it seems like it's the template for their new generation of cartoons but I couldn't connect with it at all.  These are a bit better.

I finally finished the Kieron Gillon Thor stories and they're pretty horrible.  I blame it entirely on editorial because everything is taking place in the middle of the company dictated cross overs, so i'm reading issue and issues of Siege tie-ins and it just makes absolutely no sense to me whatsoever.  I had to scurry off to wikipedia several times to find out what in the hell was actually happening.

it's surprising to me that Journey Into Mystery can be so good but the main Thor line so horrible especially when it's the same writer.  I snagged some of the Matt Fraction Thor trades from the library and I'll give those a spin, but Kieron was saying that Fraction had a bad time from editorial because they wanted everything to sync up with the movie so there was a ton of editorial interference.

I think I'm just over these major event books and books that tie into them so intimately.  I prefer walled gardens of creators who are free to do their own thing within the genre.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 18, 2013, 01:48:10 PM
I had the same problem with Incredible Hercules which was around the same period. Reading 3 years of poorly thought out Marvel crossovers in a single tie-in only book is enough to give you severe whiplash. Still, <3 Amadeus Cho.
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Post by: Eric P on August 18, 2013, 03:13:49 PM
Kid Loki is amazing.  I highly recommend Journey Into Mystery
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Post by: Eric P on August 22, 2013, 10:29:16 AM
Hey, Kids Comics!

Light week for me.

Batman 66 #8- I don't think that Jeff Parker's trying to meld 66 Joker into a more modern context is working so I'm glad to see this two part storyline end here.  It just seemed a little too grimdark what with the Joker's henchmen using TDK style makeup (black eye shadow, exaggerated red lips) and the introduction of The Red Hood just fell totally flat as did the Joker's ultimate aim.  It's strange that he's gotten so much right but this just so wrong.  I'd skip issue 7 and 8 if you haven't read them yet.

Bandette - #2-5 if you haven't read this absolutely charming series about a young cat burglar in paris you are missing out.  it is a lot of fun with some very good artwork.  would make for a great kids film

Buck Rogers #1 - Howard Chaykin recasts Buck Rogers as a socialist who woke up in the 25th century and is trying to apply socialist thought to a future society he can't yet fully comprehend.  It's weird because Buck is kind of racist and the series is based on Yellow Peril, so there's bits where Buck is trying to get everyone to fight the deadly Han (who invaded and took over America).  It's interesting, far more interesting than I was prepared to give it credit for.

Dark Horse Present Creepy - #13.  I bought this because it had a story written by Josh Simmons who is one of two people to create comics that actually generate chills in me, but this anthology comic is horrible.  I'm glad Simmons got some money for this, but it's stupid and predicable and people can see the ending coming from space.  Check out The Furry Trap instead (insert your hi-larious joke about transexual furries here)  http://www.fantagraphics.com/images/stories/previews/furtra-preview.pdf

X-Men #4.  dis gud.  There's two stories here.  One is Wolverine Driving a Mini-Van with his long-time daughter-figure Jubilee and her new ward as they discuss nostalgia and the desire to raise the kid in a somewhat stable environment.  on the other it's Storm trying to save a passenger jet with the help of the rest of the X-Womyn.  That story is more about the interplay between Storm and Rachel Summers.  Rachel didn't like that STorm was ready to straight up murder someone on the suspicion that it would help them. 

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Post by: bork on August 22, 2013, 12:05:13 PM
Rachel didn't like that STorm was ready to straight up murder someone on the suspicion that it would help them.

What?  Just a few years ago, they had Storm getting super-pissed off at Wolverine when the X-Force murder team was revealed to the rest of the X-Men.  Good use of continuity there, guys!   :-\
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Post by: Eric P on August 22, 2013, 12:07:15 PM
well the body was currently controlled by an alien robot intelligence whose host body death would have been the easiest and safest way to prevent hurting other people
so it wasn't like Ororo was going around X-Force style straight murdering people
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 27, 2013, 02:01:58 PM
Currently reading Fraction's Thor run and I was prepared for an utter shit show but so far it's leagues better than Kieron's run which preceded it.
It handles the mythic far better than Kieron's and the art is more painterly and less comic book-y so it matches what he's doing far more.
it's so weird to me that Kieron can do so well w/ Journey Into Mystery but just utterly fail to do anything interesting w/ Thor at all.

last night I also read A+X vol 1 thanks to it being at my local library. Really liked it for the most part.  Less serious tales outside of any continuity that team one x-man and one avenger for 10 pages is usually pretty great.  There was a fairly amazing one where Quinten Quire was teamed with Captain America that makes me laugh still.  Some clunkers in this too like the Black Panther / Storm tale that was tonally inconsistent w/ the rest of the book.  It was a non-romantic romance with flat double entendre komedy.

i also wrapped up Tony S Daniel's Eye of the Beholder which some pre-Nu52 Batman comics.  The lead story features a chinese national w/ a japanese word as his nom de badguy and it also features a character i never heard of but liked well enough in this volume; Catgirl.  a minor young girl from the Falcone criminal family who looks to Catwoman as her inspiration.  could have been cool but it seems like she was retired at the end of this book.  the comic also featured The Riddler's "daughter" who went by the name of Enigma.  I didn't really see the point of her at all and I really didn't like the characterization of The Riddler as bum?  Just didn't seem to match the tone of what was going on in the comic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 27, 2013, 03:12:01 PM
last night I also read A+X vol 1 thanks to it being at my local library. Really liked it for the most part.  Less serious tales outside of any continuity that team one x-man and one avenger for 10 pages is usually pretty great.  There was a fairly amazing one where Quinten Quire was teamed with Captain America that makes me laugh still.  Some clunkers in this too like the Black Panther / Storm tale that was tonally inconsistent w/ the rest of the book.  It was a non-romantic romance with flat double entendre komedy.

My vague understanding (haven't actually read that story) is that Storm and B-pups had been married and their marriage was basically removed by editorial fiat off-camera. This was an attempt to use 10 pages to give SOME sense of why they weren't together anymore and also to have it actually be referenced by the characters inside of a comic. So yeah, patch-up comix.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 28, 2013, 11:29:27 AM
finished the Fraction Thor book and aside from some one off or Fear Itself tie ins, I've read all the Thor / Thor associated books since JMS's relaunch.  Overall?  I liked it.  It made me care about characters I haven't thought about at all in any way for decades.  I was never a huge Thor fan even passing on the Simonson run, so I have no preconceived notions of how a Thor comic should read, so this string of Sandman like Fantasy mixed with occasional super heroics was pretty good, aside from Kieron Gilleon's superhero stories which were a total turn off.

I really really liked the Journey Into Mystery Kid Loki comics more than anything else I read from this run and I'm glad that I bought those books in physical format because I can see myself re-reading them in the future.

I think next I'm going to try to read the Dan Slott Spider-Man books which is going to be a pain in the butt because my library doesn't have all of the books to read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 29, 2013, 05:38:38 PM
Anyone reading Lazarus by Greg Ruka? It's been pretty good so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 29, 2013, 06:36:30 PM
Yeah.  I bought this month's issue today but haven't read it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Verdigris Murder on August 29, 2013, 07:08:36 PM
I'm dreading the day the writer of The Walking Dead has a massive stroke, and we get one issue a year.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 29, 2013, 07:09:57 PM
I'm dreading the day the writer of The Walking Dead has a massive stroke, and we get one issue a year.

it's the logical next step after killing off all the characters
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2013, 07:47:03 AM
hey kids, comics

Federal Bureau of Physics #2.  This used to be Collider but someone already had that title.  This, oddly, feels like a complete relaunch as it takes everything we saw in the first issue and essentially re-sets it and throws a whole lot of exposition technobabble at us about who the FBP is and why gravity is fucked up.  I don't know how this series will last as there doesn't seem to be a hook.  Thankfully there is no wide conspiracy that the characters will have to crack to get to the truth about why this is happening.  Or who knows maybe it will be introduced in the next issue.  It's different enough to intrigue me for now, but I may dump it quick.

Batman 66 #9.  Eggman makes his appearance.  eh.

Keeper #2. This is a digital comic from Comixology that costs $.99.  The art is horrible and the story is eh.  Serial killer goalie for a football team and the cops who chase him down.  it's different and the serial killer isn't some mad genius.  i think i'd like this more if it was just about the football club and the goalie's rivalries and inability to love.

Batman Annual #2.  I read this because it was written by a new comer and it had gotten fairly good reviews.  It's ok.  I really didn't like the art, but the story was pretty good. Batman vs the first Gotham Weirdo who has a Flash-esque origin in the 1800s.  The "with enough prep work" side of batman is basically out of control to the point where he has a canister of acid surgically implanted into a callus on his hand.  The supporting characters were far better and more interesting than Batman.

Secret #1. Issue 3 came out this week and issue #1 was free so I read it on Comixology.  Eh.  I don't think it's worth getting into if it's going to take a year for issues to come out.  Maybe in trade.

Lazarus #3.  Really liked it even if it's trope after trope after trope driving the story.  It's told well enough, even if it gets goofy at times. (the whole stand off in the garage to prove that Forever is a badass who don't take no shit from nobody, you see)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 30, 2013, 01:13:59 PM
someone buy me all those Dan Slott spider-man comics which are cheap on comixology

actually the sale is great because it lets me get very cheaply the handful of issues that my library didn't carry in trade format

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 04, 2013, 09:02:11 PM
X-men Battle of the Atom is off to a great start. A giant bomb has already been dropped and jesus I want to see where this goes.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm going to guess, Jean Grey never died because teen Jean has retroactively changed the timeline. And I kind of wonder if this Xorn stuff will add anything. Or most likely this is'nt actually Jean, because somethings up with her and whoever this Xavier is.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 04, 2013, 10:40:42 PM
Cool, interested in this storyline.  NOT interested in Infinity.  In fact, I think I may not bother with Avengers and New Avengers for a while.  I only read the first few issues of each, but they were just so...boring.   :-\

On the DC side of things, I have no idea what to think of Villains United.  The JLA Trinity War storyline was garbage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 05, 2013, 04:42:09 AM
I just got Kelly Sue Deconnick's first Avenger's trade and I like it.  It's quite light-hearted and mirrors the tone of the film rather than the self serious Bendis / Hickman side of things.  You don't like her Captain Marvel so you may not like this.

Trillium #2.  This comic is pretty good right now.  They dropped the flip book stylings of the first issue and the perspective will shift from panel to panel between the female from the 35th century and the male from the 20th century.  It's amazing that this is so good but his for hire stuff on DCU is pretty terrible.  I can only assume editorial interference because the quality is so different.

Sheltered #3. We start to get at the reasons why the kids did what they did and we start to see the cracks in the society.  I don't know if this is ongoing and if it is, how long it can sustain itself with this current trajectory.  I'm on board for at least the first arc though. 

Satellite Sam #3. For a comic about "live television and sex" it certainly took long enough to get to the sex, but here it is.  This issue is pure Chaykin cheesecake just the way you like it.  I actually really like this comic but I can't put my finger on why.  The drama of running a live television network doesn't sound like it would be compelling but I guess that the setting is so unique to comics that it really stands out and raises the quality of everything else about it.

Superior Foes of Spider-man #3. I love this.  Funny comic about horrible career criminals trying to plan a heist but everything going wrong.  the pure opposite of Superior Spider-man.  Bad dudes doing bad things poorly.  There is one misstep in this book surrounding the Supervillans Anonymous meeting.  One is that the group is made up of horrible villains that were originally written as actual threats except that they included Dr Bong, a satirical villain created for Howard the Duck.  The scene would have worked better if it was all just shit quality villains who were written "straight" (like paste pot pete for example) rather than characters who were created basically as jokes.  also that scene no only steals from the Fight Club movie it references the film while doing so.  It just grated.  "Hey nerds, you like this movie right? yuk yuk"

Batman '66 #10 the return of the guided motion comics by Johnathan Case who did the original arc.  After the past few lesser quality issues (egg man, joker) it's back to what made it enjoyable with this arc focusing on the Mad Hatter in London.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on September 05, 2013, 07:35:29 AM
Batman:Black and White was nice. There's a Neal Adams story in there where Batman is powerless to stop certain things like "Like they're foreclosing on my house and I'm being kicked out today" and he looks really skinny,outfit tattered,decaying pretty much. Then he turns back into regular when he sees Joker and the others robbing a armored truck,he even says "old friends" when he first spots them :lol After that he turns back into decaying batman when he comes across  "I live in car with my family because I'm inbetween jobs".

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2013, 04:12:09 PM
I picked up a used copy of Frank Miller's Hard Boiled this past weekend at HPB. I haven't yet dug too deeply into it yet, but what I've seen of it from a quick scan really bowls me over. The art is incredible, some of the best I've seen in a Western comic. It all feels feel Katsuhiro Otomo-esque in the way it captures urban decay, biological horror, and violent chaos with such astounding detail. Definitely not a bad buy for $6.50.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 05, 2013, 04:23:22 PM
I don't think I've seen people talk about Scottie Young's Oz books for Marvel. I picked up his Ozma (my favorite Oz story) at Half-Price for $12 hardcover, and the first one was a $2.99 Kindle special last week. They are SUPERBLY GORGEOUS. I need to pick up the rest because I love Oz and I don't want my kids to associate Oz with the movie exclusively.

(http://goodokbad.com/assets/images/books/oz01_02.jpg)(http://www.fanboy.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/skottieyoung-wizard-of-oz-2.jpg)
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lm9t0qn34h1qdupm6o1_500.jpg)(http://comicrelated.com/graphics/pages/marvel/022410/MARVLANDOZ004/MARVLANDOZ004-0.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 05, 2013, 04:28:43 PM
looks like a steampunk adventure time
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 05, 2013, 04:31:10 PM
DC Comics says no to marriage for batwoman
creative team quits

http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/60350176589/williams-and-blackman-quit-batwoman-due-to-ban-on-kate
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 05, 2013, 04:33:31 PM
it's not really steampunk, though the Tin Woodsman might look that way. all the dialogue is directly from the books and it's a good and faithful adaptation. also Baum did introduce Tik-Tok in book 3, so it was Steampunk like 90 years ahead of schedule?

(http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage//upl_images/ozma1.jpg)(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/144/a/0/dorothy_wizard_in_oz_6_cover_by_skottieyoung-d50x8d5.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 05, 2013, 04:34:01 PM
DC Comics says no to marriage for batwoman
creative team quits

http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/60350176589/williams-and-blackman-quit-batwoman-due-to-ban-on-kate

another quality editorial decision from DC comics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2013, 04:37:04 PM
Whelp, there goes the #1 reason to read Batwoman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 05, 2013, 05:30:33 PM
it's not really steampunk, though the Tin Woodsman might look that way. all the dialogue is directly from the books and it's a good and faithful adaptation. also Baum did introduce Tik-Tok in book 3, so it was Steampunk like 90 years ahead of schedule?

(http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage//upl_images/ozma1.jpg)(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/144/a/0/dorothy_wizard_in_oz_6_cover_by_skottieyoung-d50x8d5.jpg)

this is awkward because i thought the faux troll (traux?) was obvious
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 05, 2013, 05:45:09 PM
it's not really steampunk, though the Tin Woodsman might look that way. all the dialogue is directly from the books and it's a good and faithful adaptation. also Baum did introduce Tik-Tok in book 3, so it was Steampunk like 90 years ahead of schedule?

(http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage//upl_images/ozma1.jpg)(http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/144/a/0/dorothy_wizard_in_oz_6_cover_by_skottieyoung-d50x8d5.jpg)

this is awkward because i thought the faux troll (traux?) was obvious

oh.  I'm tired. sorry. :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 05, 2013, 05:58:52 PM
DC Comics says no to marriage for batwoman
creative team quits

http://dcwomenkickingass.tumblr.com/post/60350176589/williams-and-blackman-quit-batwoman-due-to-ban-on-kate

Pretty dumb since this Batwoman has been gay since Day 1 and DC okayed her to get engaged, but no wedding. And the way I understood it is that DC would allow Kate and Maggie to be married, they just weren't allowed to show a marriage. Dumb.  >:(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on September 07, 2013, 12:01:11 AM
So DC Comics is running a contest where your artwork could appear in the pages of a new comic they are doing!

The contest is to draw four panels of Harley Quinn contemplating suicide.  :-\ :-\ :-\

http://www.dailydot.com/fandom/dc-comics-kill-naked-harley-quinn-contest/
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But DC's latest art contest, featuring popular villain Harley Quinn, they're offering lucky artists the chance to begin their careers in the industry—if they can effectively draw a naked woman preparing to kill herself. This seems, at the very least, tone-deaf.

The contest comes on the eve of National Suicide Prevention Week, and many comics fans are outraged.


http://www.dccomics.com/node/305151
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on September 07, 2013, 12:14:33 AM
I picked up a used copy of Frank Miller's Hard Boiled this past weekend at HPB. I haven't yet dug too deeply into it yet, but what I've seen of it from a quick scan really bowls me over. The art is incredible, some of the best I've seen in a Western comic. It all feels feel Katsuhiro Otomo-esque in the way it captures urban decay, biological horror, and violent chaos with such astounding detail. Definitely not a bad buy for $6.50.

I had to wonder what kind of substances that artist was on, to get that level of detail. It's just insane.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on September 07, 2013, 12:17:46 AM
Out of the Fables TPBs I picked up, I started with #8, thinking that I'd had #1-7 read already.

Two pages in, I get a reveal on The Adversary which demonstrated succinctly that I'd missed some story.

 :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 07, 2013, 02:41:50 AM
The Batwoman thing dosen't even make sense.  What makes Batwoman interesting to read is that she is a rather reckless and not altogether character. So having her being married would cause even more problems and reckless drama for Kate. Having to juggle both, probably leading her taking things for granted, it could make for some exciting stories.

And then why would you anger the creative team, I mean they are also a huge part of Batwoman's appeal.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 07, 2013, 05:55:34 AM

The contest is to draw four panels of Harley Quinn contemplating suicide.  :-\ :-\ :-\


http://www.dccomics.com/node/305151

to be fair this kind of makes sense

they want you to draw what is obviously a dream or fantasy sequence so the art being different makes some kind of sense

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PANEL 1
Harley is on top of a building, holding a large DETACHED cellphone tower in her hands as lightning is striking just about everywhere except her tower. She is looking at us like she cannot believe what she is doing. Beside herself. Not happy.

PANEL 2
Harley is sitting in an alligator pond, on a little island with a suit of raw chicken on, rolling her eyes like once again, she cannot believe where she has found herself. We see the alligators ignoring her.

PANEL 3
Harley is sitting in an open whale mouth, tickling the inside of the whale’s mouth with a feather. She is ecstatic and happy, like this is the most fun ever.

PANEL 4
Harley sitting naked in a bathtub with toasters, blow dryers, blenders, appliances all dangling above the bathtub and she has a cord that will release them all. We are watching the moment before the inevitable death. Her expression is one of “oh well, guess that’s it for me” and she has resigned herself to the moment that is going to happen.
- See more at: http://www.dccomics.com/node/305151#sthash.9QUDlz1x.dpuf

it's just unfortunate that one of the panels is her naked in a tub.
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Post by: Yeti on September 07, 2013, 09:53:57 PM
Spoilers for DC's Forever Evil #1:

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(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18zcre2gfykqnpng/ku-xlarge.png)
http://kotaku.com/kryptonite-snorting-evil-superman-is-my-favorite-comic-1265755894

An alternate universe Superman snorting Kryptonite :lol :lol :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 07, 2013, 10:54:45 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on September 07, 2013, 11:00:45 PM
That middle panel would make a great avatar, if it weren't spoileriffic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2013, 09:21:09 AM
hey kids, comics

let's take them in order

Batman 66 - I really wish that they'd keep this format of the DC2 almost motion comics.  I imagine that it takes far longer to do than the traditional comics, but the art by Johnathan Case is just so much better and the stories seem more fun.  This two-parter about the Mad Hatter in London trying to steal the Crown is just delightful stuff.  Absolutely love it.

Murder She Writes #1 (probably a stand alone) - Back in the day there were only a handful of webcomics that were worth a shit and John Allison's Scary Go Round was probably the best of the bunch.  This is a stand alone cozy manor mystery involving sex, betrayal, shocking reveals all in the classic early UK Murder Mystery style shot through with a humor and warmth and dripping irony as a children's book author tries to find out who murdered a colleague at an annual get away amongst her peers.

Fearless Defenders #9 - the boyfriends of the Fearless Defenders band together to try to mansplain the team into quitting for their own good.  The women kick a lot of weird ancient robot / magic sculpture / golem ass while the dudes catch feelings.  still like this book.  shame it will probably be cancelled

Ghosted #3 -  i think i'm officially done with this book after the first storyline.  This is less The Haunting and more 13 Ghosts (the new horrible one, not the old horrible one).  Concept so good.  Execution so dumb.

Sidekick #2 - nowhere near as good as the first issue.  we get a bit more history of the Sidekick and his mentor's relationship and meet a few more edge characters but it doesn't really go anywhere worthwhile. 

Red Sonja #3 - very good low fantasy comics.  Red Sonja afflicted with plague is cast out into the winter to prevent the disease from destroying the rest of the settlement she had been in, and we spend some time on her back story and history in some pretty good flashbacks.  really enjoying this.

FBP #3 - i'm onboard.  this is fucking weird.  i have no idea what's going on but in a good way.  I can follow the individual plots but each issue introduces us to a new concept of the world and it shifts what you think you know. 

I need to get Mighty Avengers at some point, but it's not like it will sell out on me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2013, 11:37:09 AM
Eric, have you read any Mind MGMT? Is it good?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2013, 11:39:45 AM
I have not.  I have heard good things about it, but I haven't tracked it down.  I just missed a comixology sale on back issues
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 12, 2013, 12:24:43 PM

Red Sonja #3 - very good low fantasy comics.  Red Sonja afflicted with plague is cast out into the winter to prevent the disease from destroying the rest of the settlement she had been in, and we spend some time on her back story and history in some pretty good flashbacks.  really enjoying this.

Backstory AGAIN?  They did that already in the last series.   :lol

I still haven't read this new series, since I need to finish Queen Sonja and She Devil With A Sword (featuring VAMPIRE SONJA from dumb inter-company crossover!) first.

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I need to get Mighty Avengers at some point, but it's not like it will sell out on me.

The first issue was...OK.  I guess.  It's an Infinity tie-in, which I don't care for and is your typical "group of heroes comes together to fight bad guys at the end of the book" story.  Nothing particularly-special and is basically the Luke Cage New Avengers all over again.  With bad Greg Land art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2013, 12:38:37 PM


Backstory AGAIN?  They did that already in the last series.   :lol


all new all exciting backstory from a new creative team! (i guess.  i don't know.)


Quote
The first issue was...OK.  I guess.  It's an Infinity tie-in, which I don't care for and is your typical "group of heroes comes together to fight bad guys at the end of the book" story.  Nothing particularly-special and is basically the Luke Cage New Avengers all over again.  With bad Greg Land art.

Doc Oc getting mouthy w/ Luke Cage!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 12, 2013, 12:55:37 PM
Well, that was quick.

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spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/images/solicits/marvelcomics/201312/ASMPO1999700_Point_1.jpg)
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AMAZING SPIDER-MAN #700.1 & #700. 2
DAVID MORRELL (w) • KLAUS JANSON (a)
Covers by PASQUAL FERRY
Variant Covers by KLAUS JANSON
One year after his death at the hands of the Superior Spider-Man – PETER PARKER IS BACK!
• Acclaimed novelist David Morrell (First Blood) and legendary comics icon Klaus Janson (DAREDEVIL: END OF DAYS) team up to kick off this celebration of the world’s greatest super hero!
• With a blizzard crippling New York City, Spider-Man must protect the city – but Aunt May’s life is in danger!
40 PGS. (EACH)/Rated T …$3.99 (EACH)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2013, 01:06:30 PM
booo

but we have a movie coming out

fuckers

edit: i'd much rather see David Morrell on Punisher or something high action like that given his books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 12, 2013, 01:10:17 PM
Who could have predicted this shocking turn of events!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 12, 2013, 01:14:41 PM
Actually, it's confusing- the solicits have five Spider-Man 700.# comics coming out, yet the Superior Spider-Man books are also listed, with no hint that they are ending.  Maybe these are flashback stories?

Venom, too- I guess that book was canned?  Superior lists a "Superior Venom" character as coming...yet Flash Thompson Venom is still with the Thunderbolts. 

 ??? ??? ???

I see that Scarlet Spider is also done with #25.  I wonder if my theory that they have will his mind/soul/whatever "die" and be replaced by Peter Parker may be correct.  Then the Superior Spider-Man will stick around as a villain.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 12, 2013, 01:19:36 PM
I have not.  I have heard good things about it, but I haven't tracked it down.  I just missed a comixology sale on back issues

Is there a good site for tracking comixology sales? I would buy just about everything at $0.99 / issue but I don't want to load the app every day just to go through their splash pages.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 12, 2013, 01:21:53 PM
i just check on Monday, Tues and Fri
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 13, 2013, 11:44:06 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/boCAX62.png)
Murder She Writes
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 14, 2013, 12:12:49 AM
I picked up East of West Vol. 1 and well I really enjoyed it.

I can't say the story is great, but boy is the world so cool and interesting. It's just a strange sci fi fantasy wild west world, just seems like a crazy combination. The one that always sounds cool in your head, the one you go like "why doesn't someone do this". Well Hickman did and it looks great. And then he added the four horsemen of the Apocalypse.

As for the story, it's cool and they has potential, but it's not exactly whats caring it. Mostly because everyone just seems so gritty and dark and there's no reason to get behind anyone other then "they look cool and they did some cool things". But really the story has just kind of started, so it may yet get awesome.

Either way, I really enjoyed it mostly because just how cool and awesome the premise and world is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rufus on September 14, 2013, 12:52:53 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/boCAX62.png)
Murder She Writes
I want that mug.
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Post by: Eric P on September 14, 2013, 08:28:40 AM
i'm not really one for comics podcasts as most of the ones I've heard have been horrible but I've recently gotten into Wait, What? which is the podcast arm of The Savage Critics, one of my favorite review sites.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/wait-what/id386707974

dudes are old like me (older!) and so they have their biases but the podcast is reasonably informative and entertaining.  It's convinced me to purchase or request library books I wouldn't have otherwise considered
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Post by: Eric P on September 14, 2013, 05:33:33 PM
i liked it but this is just one of two panels that feature the metal dude

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Murder She Writes #1 (probably a stand alone) - Back in the day there were only a handful of webcomics that were worth a shit and John Allison's Scary Go Round was probably the best of the bunch.  This is a stand alone cozy manor mystery involving sex, betrayal, shocking reveals all in the classic early UK Murder Mystery style shot through with a humor and warmth and dripping irony as a children's book author tries to find out who murdered a colleague at an annual get away amongst her peers.
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Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 07:44:40 AM
from newsarama

Peter Parker Returns! …Kind of
Heroes never die – not for long at least in comics – and not without a twist. After seemingly shuffling off his mortal coil in last year’s Amazing Spider-Man #700, Peter Parker and the Amazing series are back – sort of.

In December 2013, Marvel will release five decimal pointed issues of Amazing Spider-Man #700 in what the publisher is calling “a special celebration of the original Spider-Man.” According to the solicitations, these won’t deal with Parker’s death and are instead earlier stories of Parker similar to the “Untold Tales” type of stories Marvel’s done in the past.

For #700.1 and #700.2, Rambo creator David Morrell and famed artist Klaus Janson convene together for a story pitting the wall-crawler against a torrential NYC blizzard with the beloved Aunt May’s life on the line. #700.3, #700.4 and #700.5 will have guest creators such as Joe Casey, Underworld co-creator Kevin Grievioux, Emma Rios, Jen Van Meter, Lee Weeks and others doing some timeless tales from Parker’s heyday.

This quintet of Amazing Spider-Man decimal issues marks the first appearance of Peter Parker in Marvel’s core superhero titles in over a year, but with the caveat that they are past stories and not ones chronicling his return. Despite that, this also works as a not-too-subtle foreshadowing of Parker’s actual return to the Marvel Universe in the modern day. We’ve already seen that Doctor Octopus as Superior Spider-Man is having run-ins with various future and past Spider-Man like Spider-Man 2099, Venom and even Scarlet Spider – maybe that means something. Or maybe the cancellation of the Venom and Scarlet Spider titles might be the precursor to a Spider-Man Family type title once again with those characters and some other Spider-Men. But that’s a tale for another day.

Getting back to Parker’s return, Christos Gage told us earlier that Dan Slott is working on “a secret, yet-to-be-revealed title.” Whether that title is a proper return for Amazing Spider-Man and Peter Parker, we’d bet heavy on the original Spider-Man swinging back into comics in the very near future.

Hey, isn’t Amazing Spider-Man 2 coming out in theatres in May? Hmmm….
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Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 03:14:52 PM
comixology is having a sale on Valiant which includes both the reboot and the originals.

i've read about 10 issues of harbinger and it's ok.  nothing great or interesting about it
Archer and Armstrong is pretty boss in a low brow pretending to be high brow satire about immortal brothers versus the 1%.  it's stupid but i like it.
bloodshot is neat but i've only read about 5 issues of it.  it's basically dethlok with the AI pretending to be his slaughtered family, so Nanopunisher.  deliriously violent but not really played for slapstick.

i don't read x-o so i can't comment on that.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 03:56:57 PM
I should mention I read TPB1 of The Sixth Gun and I didn't really like it at all. Not the art, the plot, the characters - just did not work for me. Ah well!
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Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 04:19:29 PM
at least it was cheap!

how did you read it and how did you enjoy the reading experience?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 05:57:37 PM
at least it was cheap!

how did you read it and how did you enjoy the reading experience?

I read it as an Amazon Kindle book. Kindle comics have a kind of fake Guided View - basically "zooms in" on each panel one-by-one, but as an inset of the page, not a "full screen" zoom like Guided View.

My general impression is:

Amazon Kindle comic on 10" Retina tablet: totally okay
Amazon Kindle comic on 7" Retina tablet: not so great, no orientation change and no true guided view
Comixology on 10" Retina tablet: obviously okay
Comixology on 7" Retina tablet: Guided View is usually totally acceptable and a fine way to read digital comics
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Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 05:58:31 PM
i'm a fan of zoomed in guided view on my laptop
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 06:00:58 PM
I should also mention I feel The Sixth Gun pales in nearly every respect (story, characters, and especially art) next to my friend's Weird West comic, Next Town Over. (http://www.nexttownover.net/?p=4)

The Sixth Gun vs. Next Town Over

(https://dcomixologyssl.sslcs.cdngc.net/i/4556/9679/4df633257586a.jpg?h=6ddaecf2475ada8d1762b57595ce0d3f)(http://www.nexttownover.net/comics/2011-01-29-978649fd.jpg)

Have you read The Sixth Gun?

I bought some Adventure Time comix by Ryan North during the last $0.99 / issue sale. The CYOA issue is good, though really pales next to the now-released To Be or Not To Be. I also got the 4-issue BMO arc because I love BMO. Some decent videogame jokes, but again, nothing essential.
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Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 06:02:32 PM
i'm a fan of the adventure time comics. i love that they give crazy underground artists back up stories to just go nuts in
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 06:07:19 PM
i'm a fan of the adventure time comics. i love that they give crazy underground artists back up stories to just go nuts in

Yeah, those were actually the more interesting part to me, since they are generally drawn wildly off-model. I enjoyed them well enough and may pick some more up next time there's a sale, but I don't really consider them Essential Reading even if you're a huge fan of the show.
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Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 07:30:40 PM

Have you read The Sixth Gun?


no.

i have very low tolerance for weird western as a genre
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 07:33:19 PM

Have you read The Sixth Gun?


no.

i have very low tolerance for weird western as a genre

Same here. In fact, I thought Sixth Gun was more akin to 100 Bullets when I bought it, which shows how little the fuck I know.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on September 17, 2013, 07:34:43 PM
weird western i like; Wild Wild West tv show
weird western i don't like; deadlands rpg

weird spy gadget stuff is cool.
indian zombie magick is not
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 17, 2013, 07:37:13 PM
well, check out Next Town Over!
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Post by: chronovore on September 21, 2013, 11:20:21 AM
weird western i like; Wild Wild West tv show
weird western i don't like; deadlands rpg

weird spy gadget stuff is cool.
indian zombie magick is not

I like all of it.

And I also like pie.
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Post by: Tasty on September 21, 2013, 11:31:22 PM
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 9 #1-10

I like it so far. The beginning was really rocky, it didn't feel like Joss and it didn't really feel like Buffy (where as, I thought at the very least Season 8 started very Jossy.) The art has also been pretty middling to bad compared to Season 8. But I have to say, it's definitely getting more entertaining as it goes on, and I finally am caring about the story. It's also nice that it feels a lot smaller-scale than Season 8, which I didn't mind being so bombastic and over the top because you could always tell how much Joss hated being constrained by a shoestring TV budget, and it also felt like a natural progression from Season 7. But like I said, it's nice how much smaller scale Season 9 feels. Buffy's just trying to make it in San Francisco but has to balance her slayer duties with it -- if that isn't the essence of Buffy, I don't know what it. I also like where they're taking the characters. Xander and Dawn together is a bit weird, but it kinda works at taking both of them out of Buffy's life since they're just trying to live normal-ish lives with eachother. Willow being pissed at Buffy is a pretty interesting turn, and isolates her even more. That said, it kinda sucks not having the Scoobies together, since otherwise this does feel like a normal season of Buffy. Especially now that
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Giles is dead
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, the whole Scooby dynamic just isn't there, which is the only thing holding it back IMO. But even then, that seems to be the theme this season: isolating Buffy (which isn't exactly a new concept, but the way they're doing it is.) Finally, it's also nice to have Spike back after him being AWOL for pretty much all of Season 8. I don't exactly know what they're going to do with him, but it seems like they have something planned.
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Post by: patrickula on September 22, 2013, 01:20:52 PM
I picked up Sam Bosma's Fantasy Basketball 40 page comic at SPX (which was EXCELLENT). Really great fun once it gets going, and my favorite of my SPX acquisitions so far. Looks like a PDF can be bought here for 2 bucks: https://gumroad.com/l/QylAu
Preview in the spoiler tag:
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(http://31.media.tumblr.com/2a5a643a0eac2164f80c162333ed077a/tumblr_mtbzovfSkc1r2uzyoo4_500.jpg)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1c5d8476326c205795eed782e6ff7d92/tumblr_mtbzovfSkc1r2uzyoo1_500.jpg)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/1c5d8476326c205795eed782e6ff7d92/tumblr_mtbzovfSkc1r2uzyoo1_500.jpg)(http://25.media.tumblr.com/9a9168e47a67ea1f1665d03fe691a727/tumblr_mtbzovfSkc1r2uzyoo3_500.jpg)
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I really enjoy the main Adventure Time Comic, at least the two TPBs I've read so far. Very well done stuff that got me to reconsider watching the show, which I love now too. I also read the Marceline mini, which wasn't bad but wasn't great either.
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Post by: Eric P on September 24, 2013, 07:25:27 PM
Hey kids, comics
I bought comics last week and didn't discuss them

archer and armstrong (relaunch) awesome stuff.  lots of fun!
harbinger - finished the first two arcs and they are pretty good.  i need to finish the bloodshot comics before i start the Harbinger Wars cross over stuff.
defenders - matt fraction really wiffed this series.  it's not great.
mighty avengers - al ewing rulz.  disregard the greg land art and it's awesome stuff.
murder she writes - john allison of scary go round did a great little murder she writes parody.  great stuff and cheap on comixology
uncanny x-men - kieron gillen does some very good stuff here and i really enjoyed the 9 issues of the run i've read thus far
villains united - gail simone's lead into secret six.  fun little villain book.
zero #1 - i have no opinion on this just yet.  i'll need a few issues i think to see where it goes.
century west - howard chaynkin pitches a tv show and it's horrible.

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Post by: Eric P on September 24, 2013, 08:40:31 PM
sucks the fun out of batman 66

(http://i.imgur.com/9exOGVF.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 24, 2013, 09:15:26 PM
sucks the fun out of batman 66

(http://i.imgur.com/9exOGVF.jpg)

People said Ben Affleck was a bad choice, but now that I've seen him in costume, he's won me over.
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Post by: Eric P on September 25, 2013, 08:38:09 AM
Judge Dredd is amazing.  I'm currently reading Complete Case Files vol 1 and it's just nuts.  I never really had access to it in my youth and the times I would DL 2000AD it would be in the middle of stories so I'd have no clue what was going on, but the Wait, What? podcast has been talking up 2000AD stories and I thought I'd give these complete omnibuses from my library a shot and I'm just loving it.
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Post by: Eric P on September 26, 2013, 12:46:04 PM
Rat Queens #1 made me lol.  Foul mouthed Fantasy comic about women troubleshooters in a town that has absolutely grown tired of their shit and so they're given a task to do that will take them far out of the city, however an unknown assassin is targeting troubleshooting teams.

(http://i.imgur.com/b4f3CX3.jpg)

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Post by: chronovore on September 26, 2013, 08:00:46 PM
I have not.  I have heard good things about it, but I haven't tracked it down.  I just missed a comixology sale on back issues

Is there a good site for tracking comixology sales? I would buy just about everything at $0.99 / issue but I don't want to load the app every day just to go through their splash pages.

Why not just sign up for their mailing list? They announce every sale there, I think.
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Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2013, 08:09:50 PM
Yeah I get an email or two each week with their new sales and issues.
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Post by: Eric P on September 27, 2013, 09:27:31 AM
comics update.
I spent last night reading 4 recent ( within the past few years) Spider-Man trades by Dan Slott aaaaaaaand I didn't really like them.  This tying Spidey to the Avengers and the Fantastic Four put him into cosmic world shaking events and that just didn't appeal to me.  I get that they want SM involved in more of their stories but ehhhh.  It was very cool to see Peter's smarts play into a lot of the story lines though.  I really didn't like Doc Oc's visual design in the giant iron lung nor Scorpion's design in basically power armor.  I think the exaggerated anime style of the art is to blame for that. 

I am also reading early Judge Dredd stories and they are AWESOME.  Essentially Silver Age Stories for Maladjusted Adults.  Absolutely wonderfully insane.  Brian Bolland's art is amazing.  I am thinking of diving into Rogue Trooper which is The Civil War + Craziness.

Sex Criminals #1 - For a sex comedy it's not really funny.  Will give it a few more issues to see how it goes.  Basically two people can stop time with their orgasms. the first issue is basically the origin story from the female character's point of view.  it's..ok, i guess.  I like Fraction and I like Zdarsky but this never really gelled for me.

Rat Queens #1 - this, on the other hand, made me laugh out loud.  foul mouthed violent fantasy with no redeeming qualities.  highly recommended.  I've read this issue like 5 times in the past two days.

Real West #1 - picked this up on a whim because it's an overlooked genre in comics and I quite liked it.  Violent and exciting and sad with some great art.  Will buy more issues in the future

Adventures of Superman #1 - I like these out of continuity Superman stories.  This tale of Superman finding out Krypton may not have been destroyed (again) is pretty rote, but he fights a giant gorilla that shoots lasers out of its eyes, so it has that going for it.

Batman 66 #13 - This is the best non-Johnathan Case issue yet.  Batman vs The Sandman so we get some weird surreal art flourishes and the tale is actually good as well.

I still need to pick up The Wake.

Oh, and Comixology is having a Godzilla Sale, get The Half-Century War.  It's written and drawn by the guy who did Orc Stain.  It's beautiful and messy.
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Post by: bork on September 27, 2013, 11:57:55 AM
comics update.
I spent last night reading 4 recent ( within the past few years) Spider-Man trades by Dan Slott aaaaaaaand I didn't really like them.  This tying Spidey to the Avengers and the Fantastic Four put him into cosmic world shaking events and that just didn't appeal to me.  I get that they want SM involved in more of their stories but ehhhh.  It was very cool to see Peter's smarts play into a lot of the story lines though.  I really didn't like Doc Oc's visual design in the giant iron lung nor Scorpion's design in basically power armor.  I think the exaggerated anime style of the art is to blame for that.

"Street-hero" level Spider-Man is definitely the best Spider-Man.  It always seems out of place when he gets caught up in bigger events like that.

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Sex Criminals #1 - For a sex comedy it's not really funny.  Will give it a few more issues to see how it goes.  Basically two people can stop time with their orgasms. the first issue is basically the origin story from the female character's point of view.  it's..ok, i guess.  I like Fraction and I like Zdarsky but this never really gelled for me.

Agreed.  It says a lot when the comic even tells you "wait!  the jokes are coming, I promise!" but it never really...comes.  No pun intended.

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Rat Queens #1 - this, on the other hand, made me laugh out loud.  foul mouthed violent fantasy with no redeeming qualities.  highly recommended.  I've read this issue like 5 times in the past two days.

Will check it out!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on September 28, 2013, 06:31:53 PM
(http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61BTsh-rQhL._.jpg)

Bought this shit at Half-Price Books today. I know literally one thing about it, and that is that it features the origins of Extraño, the gay hispanic wizard!

(http://i.imgur.com/vc2FEQF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0FGycZA.jpg)

And that it was probably a sad attempt to recapture the magic of Crisis on Infinite Earths that failed miserably.
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Post by: Eric P on September 28, 2013, 10:08:24 PM
Crisis is a horrible comic.
i haven't read this but it's Englehart, so it's probably at least 43% crazy
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Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2013, 01:16:30 PM
HinterKIND, a post apocalyptic tale that opens in NYC, where every character that isn't a literal monster is white.

bonus, features a tri-corn getting shot in the face
(http://i.imgur.com/txyhIXr.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 02, 2013, 01:19:45 PM
And that it was probably a sad attempt to recapture the magic of Crisis on Infinite Earths that failed miserably.

so no different from the last 25 years of DC comics, then
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Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2013, 03:06:54 PM
Hinterland, a post apocalyptic tale that opens in NYC, where every character that isn't a literal monster is white.

bonus, features a tri-corn getting shot in the face
(http://i.imgur.com/txyhIXr.png)
Any more info on this? I have a hard time finding anything that looks related to it.
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Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2013, 03:11:16 PM
Sure,

Basically it's about a small pocket of humanity living in Central Park years after a catastrophic ecological event which set back humanity quite a bit.  The time is several hundred years after this event (NYC is really overgrown, looks like After Earth or the end of AI more than I Am Legend) and not only did humanity die out because of lack of civilization, but mythical creatures returned as well and they have been hunting down humans for a bounty placed on them by the queen of the mythical creatures.

the small pocket of civilization loses contact with another village in Albany and so a few members determine they have to go and find out what did it.

spoiler, it's monsters
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Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2013, 03:34:40 PM
I was thinking more in the way of author, publisher, etc. because I can't even find that but a summary is cool too. :lol
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Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2013, 03:48:58 PM
oh, ha ha

Vertigo
W: Ian Edginton
A: Francesco Trifogli
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Post by: Rufus on October 02, 2013, 04:03:28 PM
Thanks. :3

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Hinterkind, as it turns out.
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Post by: Eric P on October 02, 2013, 04:22:28 PM
didn't even notice that
will fix
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Post by: chronovore on October 03, 2013, 02:09:02 AM
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/2cadc07d481e92b13e3184c0f8116aaa/tumblr_mtajucoPhV1rcjv9lo4_r1_1280.jpg)

:heh
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 04, 2013, 12:13:38 AM
Well Battle of the Atom is turning out to be a disappointing event.

Really in general, All New X-men has been the same shit since it started.

X-men:"Oh noes the O5 are here"

X-men:"we should send them back"

O5:"We don't want to go back, we're going to do something about this future!"

And then a few X-men act supid for no reason and say "well it's not good that they are here, but they should decide what happens to them"/

Thats all it's been with a whatever subplot with Mystique. And the O5 are boring. Angel stands in the background, Iceman makes the same jokes the Older Iceman could just make, and Teen Cyclops is moppy. Jean is ok, because her backstory is cool and Bendis really just wanted to write Jean.

Battle has basically been the same argument over and over, just with even more future X-men and now a lame future X-men that I can only assume is Arron's creation. It's just been boring, the same characters talking about the same things. For an event, the 50th anniversary no less, nothing shocking really has happened.
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Post by: bork on October 04, 2013, 11:17:50 AM
Battle has been a fun read.  I disagree.

It's Infinity and the Avengers stuff in general (really New Avengers and Avengers) that's been boring.
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Post by: Eric P on October 04, 2013, 11:25:35 AM
I really like Al Ewing so I'm totes all about Mighty Avengers even if it's in tie-in hell.  I like the set up thus far.

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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 04, 2013, 01:34:39 PM
Well Uncanny Avengers at least has an ok Wolvie. Not one who had a "will someone think of the children" moment in BoTA.

I just read Uncanny Avengers because of its ties to Uncanny X-Force. It's had it's annoyances, but so far I like it.
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Post by: bork on October 04, 2013, 02:04:33 PM
Yeah, I like Uncanny and Mighty Avengers.  I jut couldn't take the Avengers/New Avengers after a few issues and haven't touched them since their fourth or fifth issues. 

Uncanny Avengers is a much better follow-up to Uncanny X-Force than the new X-Force book turned out to be.   :yuck
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Post by: Eric P on October 04, 2013, 02:50:06 PM
i'm mostly reading old Judge Dredd and boy howdy are those amazing.  5 page silver age stories for malcontents with occasional great art by Brian Bolland and good art by everyone else.
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Post by: Verdigris Murder on October 04, 2013, 05:00:23 PM
And it's in black and white for the better part, and yet solid gold.

On your inference, I started reading house of m, it's pretty good, and there's another thing that that flows into I think? Rereading Sleeper, because modern Alan Moore predominantly sucks, and. Brubaker writes Fatale in an excruciatingly slow manner, and meanders like an old dude with Alzheimer's pushing a trolley.
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Post by: chronovore on October 06, 2013, 10:33:57 AM
I guess Brian Wood has been writing Star Wars? Is it any good?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on October 06, 2013, 11:21:59 AM
PSA: Battling Boy is out this Tuesday.

http://www.amazon.com/Battling-Boy-Paul-Pope/dp/1596438053/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 06, 2013, 11:46:41 AM
I guess Brian Wood has been writing Star Wars? Is it any good?

I read the first issue and it was ok, I guess.  I've heard that it's super slow and not much happens, so I didn't really pursue it much further.

Apparently THE Star Wars book to read is the Wild Space Omnibus which collects Star Wars UK strips along with other assorted things

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This wild omnibus features rare and previously uncollected stories from UK publications, toy pack-ins, cereal boxes, Star Wars Kids magazine, and even issues that were originally published in 3-D! A treasure trove of unexpected gems for the casual Star Wars fan - and a completist's dream - this volume contains work from some of comics' most famous writers and artists, including Alan Moore, Chris Claremont, Archie Goodwin, Walt Simonson, and Alan Davis, plus stories featuring the greatest heroes and villains of Star Wars! Stories you never knew existed - that you can't live without!

Supposed to be somewhat insane (as most UK sci-fi comics of the time were)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 06, 2013, 12:51:07 PM
PSA: Battling Boy is out this Tuesday.

http://www.amazon.com/Battling-Boy-Paul-Pope/dp/1596438053/

When I saw Paul Pope, I was thinking Pope John Paul, and that maybe it would be him as a child, battling his way through the ranks of the Catholic Church.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2013, 11:46:48 PM
I guess Brian Wood has been writing Star Wars? Is it any good?

I read the first issue and it was ok, I guess.  I've heard that it's super slow and not much happens, so I didn't really pursue it much further.

Apparently THE Star Wars book to read is the Wild Space Omnibus which collects Star Wars UK strips along with other assorted things

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This wild omnibus features rare and previously uncollected stories from UK publications, toy pack-ins, cereal boxes, Star Wars Kids magazine, and even issues that were originally published in 3-D! A treasure trove of unexpected gems for the casual Star Wars fan - and a completist's dream - this volume contains work from some of comics' most famous writers and artists, including Alan Moore, Chris Claremont, Archie Goodwin, Walt Simonson, and Alan Davis, plus stories featuring the greatest heroes and villains of Star Wars! Stories you never knew existed - that you can't live without!

Supposed to be somewhat insane (as most UK sci-fi comics of the time were)

My sister brought me back some Indiana Jones and Star Wars comics from the UK in the mid-80s. That shit was insane.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 06, 2013, 11:49:01 PM
Well Battle of the Atom is turning out to be a disappointing event.

Really in general, All New X-men has been the same shit since it started.

X-men:"Oh noes the O5 are here"

X-men:"we should send them back"

O5:"We don't want to go back, we're going to do something about this future!"

And then a few X-men act supid for no reason and say "well it's not good that they are here, but they should decide what happens to them"/

Thats all it's been with a whatever subplot with Mystique. And the O5 are boring. Angel stands in the background, Iceman makes the same jokes the Older Iceman could just make, and Teen Cyclops is moppy. Jean is ok, because her backstory is cool and Bendis really just wanted to write Jean.

Battle has basically been the same argument over and over, just with even more future X-men and now a lame future X-men that I can only assume is Arron's creation. It's just been boring, the same characters talking about the same things. For an event, the 50th anniversary no less, nothing shocking really has happened.

I have a feeling that
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current-day Cyclops will die, and past-Cyclops and Jean stick around.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 07, 2013, 01:04:33 AM
I could have sworn Cyclops was on the cover of an X-men issue set after BoTA. One where the solicit and cover imply some sort of Wolvie team up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 07, 2013, 09:24:10 AM
Just wrapped Vol 2 of the Complete Case Files of Judge Dredd.  I just cannot recommend these enough.  This volume is 2 "epics" rather than mostly one shots or shorter connected stories as in the first book.

The first epic is The Curse Earth, where Judge Dredd must lead a convoy to deliver much needed medical supplies to Mega City Two, the huge sprawling city that takes up the West Coast.  It's mainly an excuse for UK writers and artists to riff off of how the UK sees Fly-over country and it involves a pre-Jurassic Park theme park which cloned dinosaurs back to life (only to have a lack of govt funding shut the parks down leaving the dinos to roam free) and robot vampires that steal blood from the living to keep the last president of the united states alive, and also fighting mutants and religious fanatics.  It's pretty nuts, nowhere near as nuts as the second epic, The Day The Law Died

In the second epic, Mega City One deals with the rise of Judge Cal, plainly a parallel to Caligula (sadly missing the sex) with increasingly insane whims driving Mega City One to crazed totalitarianism.  It's a pretty fun tale.

I just started vol 3 on the train which promises the introduction of Judge Death, but so far it's just one shots that flesh out Mega City One. 

This is a fun series to read.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on October 09, 2013, 05:00:19 PM
(http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/192omg6zyx9ripng/ku-xlarge.png)

anyone read this? I heard it was actually kind of good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 09, 2013, 05:47:43 PM
I have been crazy busy at work and probably won't be able to pick up my books for a bit, but I've heard from many sources that it's good.  Enough sources that i'll check it out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 10, 2013, 01:13:44 AM
This week's Batman '66 is INSANELY good. Colleen Coover doing Eartha Kitt Catwoman vs. Yvonne Craig Batgirl, awesome art, superb animations, and the promise of Batman and Robin fighting ... Lord Death Man '66?!

 :rejoice
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Post by: Great Rumbler on October 10, 2013, 12:42:08 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/bThqp50.jpg)
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Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2013, 12:47:40 PM
I thought she was gonna go down on him while he maintains that expression the whole time she's blowing him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 10, 2013, 01:06:46 PM
I thought she was gonna go down on him while he maintains that expression the whole time she's blowing him.

That would be a pretty sweet Photoshop.

Get on that, pokeboy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2013, 01:09:46 PM
I was gonna but there isn't a panel where her head's not obstructing his shoulder.

Also I'm at work.
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Post by: Mupepe on October 10, 2013, 02:11:08 PM
I know it was mentioned on the last page but I wanted to chime in and shill for Hinterkind.  It really feels like it has potential and #1 is pretty damn entertaining.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 11, 2013, 07:06:42 AM
http://geekmom.com/2013/10/comixology-comic-book-readers/

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Of buyers new to ComiXology in the last three months, 20% are women. That’s up from less than 5% when they started the app, and it’s a number that Steinberger says is changing rapidly. Comic book publishers, take note. The survey also found that of the readers who were reading their first comic digitally, many went on to buy comics in print. Again, comic book publishers, take note.

this is GOOD NEWS.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 11, 2013, 03:18:16 PM
the cover of All-New X-Men #20 is a spoiler, I guess, but is also WONDERFUL

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(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1381510282.jpg)
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 11, 2013, 03:23:54 PM
When did he ditch Emma? Or is that young Scott?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 11, 2013, 03:28:04 PM
When did he ditch Emma? Or is that young Scott?

that's young Scott

it's the ultimate troll
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Post by: Eric P on October 11, 2013, 03:41:46 PM
that's pretty great.

i went to my comic store today and had one hell of a haul

grabbed Three, Afterlife with Archie, Coffin Hill, Rocket Girl, Multiple Warheads One Shot, Buck Rogers (which is awesome, btw), and Comixology had a lot of stuff as well, Sidekick, Red Sonja, Fearless Defenders, Ghosted, Bunker, Batman 66 and that new Iron Man inifnicomic by Al Ewing (with horrible art)
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Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2013, 03:49:45 PM
HOLY FUCKING SHIT COMIXOLOGY (Android) GOT REDESIGNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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EVEN THE ICON LOOKS AMAZINGIUJGIUJ#RJ)(K

(http://i.imgur.com/m5BPAYt.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 11, 2013, 04:08:43 PM
When did he ditch Emma? Or is that young Scott?

that's young Scott

it's the ultimate trolling

Total role reversal. Instead Jean having the hots for Logan, he hooks up with his clone/kid/whatever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 11, 2013, 05:43:39 PM
When did he ditch Emma? Or is that young Scott?

that's young Scott

it's the ultimate trolling

Total role reversal. Instead Jean having the hots for Logan, he hooks up with his clone/kid/whatever.

Plus
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Modern Cyclops and Wolverine are, uh, "on the outs" in current continuity, making this even more hilarious
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Post by: Tasty on October 12, 2013, 03:06:06 AM
Buffy season 10 deets!!! (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48352)

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/articles/1381272622.jpg)

(http://24.media.tumblr.com/149a6f944d76488c18608a161fce372b/tumblr_mujl73MkZs1snj0bfo1_1280.jpg)

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Since 2007, Dark Horse Comics has provided readers with the canonical continuation of Buffy the Vampire Slayer's trials and tribulations in the fight against the forces of evil. "Buffy" is about to begin its tenth season adventures, with "Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Season 10" launching in March 2014 by previous "Angel & Faith" creative team Christos Gage and Rebekah Isaacs, while a new volume of "Angel & Faith" hits in April 2014 helmed by writer Victor Gischler with art by Will Conrad.

The Angel & Faith guys!!

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"'Season 9' was different than 'Season 8' in that we got it focused on the core characters, eliminating a lot of the big world-shaking, army stuff," Allie continued. "We focused on the characters, but we also split the characters apart. 'Season 10' won't just be about us bringing them back together -- it'll be about them actively bringing themselves back together. The outcome of 'Season 9,' both in 'Angel & Faith' and in 'Buffy,' brings magic back, but it takes it all down a notch, and messes with the vampire thing in a way that makes it all a challenge again, but a challenge they can engage with on a very personal level."

Bringing everyone together!! :hyper
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Post by: Eric P on October 12, 2013, 08:48:15 PM
marvel finally publishing miracle man w/ a shocking turn of events
Quote
In the early 1990s, Neil Gaiman wrote several issues of the post-modern superhero comic series Miracleman for Eclipse Comics, taking over where Alan Moore left off. Gaiman had planned eightteen issues in total, but Eclipse collapsed after only eight were published, with the ninth still in-production.

The series was in limbo until Marvel purchased the rights to the character in 2009, and today at NYCC Marvel announced that they would begin reprinting Alan Moore and Neil Gaiman’s issues in 2014. But the even bigger news came from Gaiman (via video), who announced that he would be completing his nearly twenty-year old story! Gaiman added that he was excited to return to the series, which he considers some of his best work as a young writer. And now we’re excited to see what he has in store for Miracleman, Miraclewoman, and Kid Miracleman!
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Post by: Eric P on October 13, 2013, 02:20:24 PM
Al Ewing is now writing a Loki as sexy secret agent solo series.
I am 100% on board

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Post by: bork on October 14, 2013, 09:02:00 AM
Al Ewing is now writing a Loki as sexy secret agent solo series.
I am 100% on board

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/thumbnail.php?file=/assets/images/articles/1381521395.jpg&w=300)

I thought you were joking!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 14, 2013, 09:44:29 AM
thanks to the library i have been reading more expensive books I wouldn't buy on my own
read all of Jeff Smith's RASL in these great over sized editions.

It's a sci-fi noir involving parallel universes that draws its backstory from HAARP, Tesla's later experiments, and the Philadelphia project.  It's pretty neat, but not really great and the character art for the lead is really...uh not great at times.  The guy looks like a stretched out Peter Dinklage after he's been mauled by a bear.  I get that the guy is supposed to be having "hard times" but it wasn't a good look.

Also going through the EC artist series in which Fantagraphics books presents all of the EC Comic work from one artist in glorious black and white.  The stories are for the most party pretty terrible, but the art is absolutely glorious.  I've never really seen how good it actually is as all previous reproductions have had horrible cheap color slathered all over the place.  Currently reading the Al Williamson book and I found the most EC story ever.

A man invents a rocket ship which goes faster than all other rocket ships but his crews keep dying on mysterious accidents while he survives.  After the third mission the GBI (Galactic Bureau of Investigation.  "That's right, I'm a space dick.") gets involved and sends a man to investigate.  As all the other crews have died, no one wants to sign on for this mission so the G-Man and the inventor shanghai some drunks.  But the GBI man is also knocked out.  When they come to, they are locked up. one of the men is already missing and they hear screams.  The crew ponders what is going to happen to them.  Eventually we find out that they're being drained of blood.  yes, BLOOD is what makes the rocket so fast!  One of the final prisoners breaks free revealing he is a VAMPIRE and he drains the captain of blood.  The GBI man thinks he's freed, but the vampire reveals he left him alive because it's still a long way to their destination. 

Yeah, basically the most EC story ever.  Rocketship powered by blood and the twist is a vampire.

Al Williamson's art is out of control.  I'm going to track down the Star Wars newspaper strips he did next.
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on October 15, 2013, 08:06:40 PM
Superheroes:The Never Ending Battle is on PBS now. It's hosted by malek Liev Schreiber.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 24, 2013, 06:18:31 AM
I didn't go to the shop last week so I have a few things that came out then which I hadn't read until this week

SHOOT First #1-  the concept of "atheists as gov't agency versus the supernatural" sounds kind of neat at first and the writer did an interesting interview w/ Comics Alliance, but this book was really flat.  maybe i'll grab a trade if it pops up at the library but meh

Zero #2 - the first issue left me cold but this issue is excellent.  almost a done in one about a teenage assassin / operative on his first mission. GREAT art and GREAT visual storytelling even if the subject is a bit cliche

Velvet #1 - this time Brubaker's damaged female lead character is Miss Moneypenny if Moneypenny were a secret super spy in her 40s.  Good art and it's Brubaker so you basically know what you're getting at this point.  I liked it better than Lazarus.  I may drop Lazarus for this as they're almost the same book.  do i want to see Brubaker's Damaged Female Lead Character in a dystopian hell hole figthing the .01% or do I want to see her kick Soviets in the teeth?  I'm thinking Soviets.

Pretty Deadly #1 - I don't really understand this issue.  I read it twice but couldn't quite figure out what motivations were for various characters.  At one point people are shooting at a blind man and a little girl. the blind man shoots back and wings one of them, we cut to another character for a few pages and when we come back the blind man, girl and the attackers are all sharing a campfire?  dunno.  was weird

Rat Queens #2 - Loved it to death.  Just absolutely loved it to death again.  Funny, violent and uncouth.

sex criminals #2 - vast improvement over the first issue.  actually fulfills the promise of being a "sex comedy" by being somewhat amusing instead of just depressing page after depressing page about a girl escaping a bad family situation through sexual misadventure.  funniest thing in the issue though?  The letter column is called "Letter Daddy"  I love a good pun

Satellite Sam #4 - I'd be happy if they dropped the mystery of who killed the actor and just focused on the "running a tv station in nyc in the 50s"  that's the stuff that's really compelling to me

Monkey Brains stuff

Continuing to read Edison Rex which continues to be a delight.  Saving the world is hard if no one believes you want to save the world

The Army of Dr Moreau #1 - new series from the creator of Badazz Mofo, the best zine to cover Blaxploitation / Black Pop Culture in the 60s and 70s.  Nazis find Moreau's island start building human monster hybrids.  American and UK operatives try to stop them.  You can write this one in your sleep.

Amazing Forest #1 - fantasy anthology.  One good story, one ok story, two eh stories. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 24, 2013, 02:41:25 PM
read the first 4 issues of Edison Rex. it's pretty good but somewhat repetitive Superman pastiche so far, does it pick up or develop a more overarching plot?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 24, 2013, 03:11:47 PM
I've read six of them and so far; no.  I still quite enjoy it though.

shout out to Platypus Rex.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on October 26, 2013, 09:12:04 AM
Hellboy: The Midnight Circus was pretty nice. It'd be nice to get more short stories in that hardcover format, quality stuff. It's really good looking especially those softer,brush looking pages. I'm definitely interested in more Fegredo stuff.
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Post by: Eric P on October 26, 2013, 10:05:50 AM
comixology is having an Image "horror" sale
they've included two excellent non-horror works

Bulletproof Coffin and Bulletproof Coffin 2.
The second volume is really meta and may not be everyone's cup of tea, but the first volume is quite good

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 26, 2013, 01:56:40 PM
tnx for the heads up
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2013, 01:09:21 PM
finished Bulletproof Coffin. not bad. Basically Flex Mentallo vs. EC Comics. I preferred it for its fun alternate EC Comics characters (The Unseeing Eye is awesome and/or the Residents logo) more than anything meta it had to say about the comics industry. Art was fun in a grimy ALT COMIX sort of way. It seems pretty obtusely meta to me already, tho, so if the sequel is even more so I'll probably pass.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2013, 01:09:57 PM
Yes it absolutely is more meta.

might i suggest the violent sci-fi satire of Al Ewing's Zombo?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2013, 01:21:32 PM
I need to hop on the violent sci-fi satire of Judge Dredd, first! and my 6 Journey Into Mystery TPBs showed up yesterday so I'm on those this week
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Post by: Eric P on October 29, 2013, 01:56:58 PM
aw yiss.

I'm currently going through the Fantagraphics EC Artists books right now.  Some of it is astoundingly good.  Some of it is eh.
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Post by: Eric P on October 31, 2013, 10:04:41 PM
i don't read x-men cross overs because they're just so tedious but what in the fuck even happened here?

http://www.newsarama.com/19438-x-men-battle-of-the-atom-who-lived-who-died-who-changed-sides-who-was-left-behind.html

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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 31, 2013, 10:28:37 PM
Nothing happened.
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Post by: Yeti on November 01, 2013, 12:48:19 AM
all I got out of that article is that there is an X-Man named Goldballs. LOL
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Post by: Eric P on November 01, 2013, 07:19:15 AM
The Sandman prequel was released yesterday.  do not buy it in digital if you can avoid it.

i'd buy the single edition rather than the trade because there's something that's just lovely at the end that will probably be fucked up in trade format

Also Comixology is having a Mark Waid sale.  I cannot say enough good things about his current Daredevil run.  you can pick up the first 6 issues for a buck each
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 01, 2013, 02:20:04 PM
Also Comixology is having a Mark Waid sale.  I cannot say enough good things about his current Daredevil run.  you can pick up the first 6 issues for a buck each

Man how do I physical comic book store? I honestly don't know here in Seattle.
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 01, 2013, 03:41:57 PM
Also Comixology is having a Mark Waid sale.  I cannot say enough good things about his current Daredevil run.  you can pick up the first 6 issues for a buck each

Man how do I physical comic book store? I honestly don't know here in Seattle.

Comic shops in North Seattle:

Arcane Comics in Ballard
Comic Stop on 45th in the U District (next to the Neptune)
The Dreaming on the Ave in the U District (they've got a sweet mural of Godzilla and Cthulu fighting over Seattle painted on the windows)
Comics Dungeon on 45th in Wallingford
Dreamstrands on 85th in Greenwood
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on November 01, 2013, 04:04:34 PM
I wait for trade on Saga so most of my money went to digital firsts this week.

Iron Man Fatal Frontier #3 I'm cooling on this title.  I was super excited because I figured Al Ewing and Gillen could certainly come up with something fresh and new and if not fresh and new then at least something exciting, but this is kind of bland hero comics.

Arrival #1 I love the art in this.  Very simple almost to the point of abstraction in some panels. The story is not horrible either.  Kind of "Everything you hate about today will only be worse tomorrow" mixed in with 2001 except instead of blowing up nukes the space baby will probably blow up your cell phones.

Fox #1 I didn't like this as much as I expected.  I love both artists involved and I love more light-hearted super hero tales but this just didn't click for me.

The Double Life of Miranda Taylor #1 This I didn't like at first but then I went back and re-read it and found a bit more.  It tackles the Legacy Superhero trope a bit differently in that the original hero is now a ghost giving bits of advice and help to the current hero. In this issue our Heroes fight people who want to remake the world in Lego.  It's breezy without being overly silly.  Not quite Bandette levels of knowing twee, but could perhaps reach that level.  As I said, I liked it.  I'll probably continue to read it.

Edison Rex #7-8. I didn't like the Edison Rex back story because I feel that it weakens the character.  I feel that ER having had a fundamental philosophy difference w/ the Superman analog would have been stronger rather than having his ego and a core misunderstanding provide the character's driving focus.  The Christmas Issue was just kind of boring to me.  ER seems to falling into a bit of a rut and I wish it would find a new direction or formula.  I'll probably read the two new issues that have come out since 8 and see if they grab my fancy,  if not I'll stop reading it.  A shame as the early issues were so strong.

Terengrin #1 Loved the preview but hated the rest of the book which is a shame because Rat Queens showed me I can enjoy comedic fantasy still

Sandman Overture #1 Liked the art wasn't too enamored with the words.  I think there were too many captions.  I want to read this a few more times to get everything but I'm glad I bought this one in physical format.

Powerpuff Girls #2 I bought this for my girlfriend.  There's no way you can prove otherwise.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 01, 2013, 05:08:22 PM
Also Comixology is having a Mark Waid sale.  I cannot say enough good things about his current Daredevil run.  you can pick up the first 6 issues for a buck each

Man how do I physical comic book store? I honestly don't know here in Seattle.

Comic shops in North Seattle:

Arcane Comics in Ballard
Comic Stop on 45th in the U District (next to the Neptune)
The Dreaming on the Ave in the U District (they've got a sweet mural of Godzilla and Cthulu fighting over Seattle painted on the windows)
Comics Dungeon on 45th in Wallingford
Dreamstrands on 85th in Greenwood

Fuck North Seattle, I need a shop on da

(http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii92/granjero_blc/EastSide.jpg)
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Post by: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 05:16:49 PM
Eric P (or anyone else), did you ever end up picking up The Wake?  I know you said you were going to awhile ago.  I really like Snyder but #1 isn't at any of my local shops anymore and I don't know if it's worth hunting down elsewhere.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 01, 2013, 06:39:21 PM
The Wake has amazing artwork, so there's that.

You might as well wait till the trade so you can read it all together, because really every issue ends on a cliffhanger. It progressively gets crazier with each issue being "well this just got shitter for the cast".

That said I can't say it's  some great read. It is interesting solely because the story keeps moving between three different eras and well I'm sure you'd want to know how the ancient past and apocalyptic future fits into what is basically James Cameron's Abyss but crazier and more violent. There's been some good horror bits, but the present day story is merely competent and nothing wow.

But because it's one of those super mysterious "where is this leading to" thing it may be better to read it when it's all done and together. I mean I think it's already four issues in.
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Post by: Mupepe on November 01, 2013, 06:57:03 PM
Thanks. I managed to find 2-4 and picked those up but I haven't read anything because I really hate jumping shit after it has started. I think I'll bite the bullet and order #1 online because waiting 6 months to read any of it sounds like more torture haha
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Post by: Eric P on November 01, 2013, 08:16:43 PM
if you don't mind digital, you can get it for $2 on Comixology.  That way you don't have to pay shipping or anything.

I like it.  Like he said it gets crazier and crazier and I can't see a happy ending from here.  I dig it.  It's basically "what if the abyss were a horror film?"
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Post by: Mupepe on November 02, 2013, 01:33:18 AM
Yeah I don't have anything enjoyable to read digital comics on and I have a collection fetish. Found it with shipping for around .60 cents. :hyper
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Post by: Yeti on November 10, 2013, 10:52:19 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/IFEZ976.png)

This looks hilarious

spoiler (click to show/hide)
apparently it's Blade?
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 10, 2013, 11:35:36 PM
I'm picking up Starstruck  (http://www.amazon.com/Starstruck-Deluxe-Edition-Elaine-Lee/dp/1600108725/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1384144294&sr=1-5)from the local library. I hadn't heard about it until recently, but aparently it's Mike "Lucifer" Carey's favorite comic and that's good enough for me! 50% off digitally on Comixology now during the weekend IDW sale, but seems like a winner. Has anyone read it?

Also nearly done with Journey into Mystery. The last arc I read, The Manchester Gods, was a pretty good 3-issue series. Very Sandman like - the new Gods of the Industrial Revolution are replacing the old gods of glen and dale, and there's a power struggle inside Britain for its soul. The various pantheons have a STRICT non-interference pact, but Kid Loki is sent as a secret agent of Asgard (hey!) to try and end the war quickly. It's Journey Into Mystery 639-641 and, despite coming near the end of the run, probably as good an intro as any to the whole Kid Loki concept.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on November 11, 2013, 02:57:43 AM
I haven't read any of those, except Starstruck, which I recall buying every issue of, and failing to read any of it.

Here's an interesting bit of Bat-fan-fiction, in fairly eclectic but wonderful art. And Bill Hicks.
http://moonheadpress.blogspot.jp/2013/11/the-deal.html
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on November 11, 2013, 09:59:53 AM
 glad that DC is reprinting a ton of Bronze age stuff so I don't have to worry about reading stuff like this

http://comicboxcommentary.blogspot.com/2013/11/kara-as-red-lantern-really.html

GREEN LANTERN/RED LANTERNS #28
Written by ROBERT VENDITTI and CHARLES SOULE
Art by BILLY TAN and ALESSANDRO VITTI
GREEN LANTERN Cover by BILLY TAN
RED LANTERNS Cover by STEPHEN SEGOVIA
 
With dozens of sectors in open rebellion against the Green Lantern Corps, Hal Jordan is faced with a crisis in the sector most important to him: 2814, home of Earth…as well as Ysmault, home of the Red Lanterns. Hal made a dangerous bargain with Guy Gardner, and now it’s time to pay up! Plus: Guy and the Red Lanterns take over policing Sector 2814! And you’ll want to keep reading RED LANTERNS next month to see what happens to their newest member: SUPERGIRL!

That's right. Supergirl is becoming a Red Lantern. She is becoming a warrior of rage.

Supergirl.

As a Red Lantern.

I don't know what to say anymore.

It is as if DC Comics has no understanding of their characters anymore.
It is as if DC Comics has no understanding of their readers anymore.

Because it is clear that DC thinks that Supergirl can only exist as an angry isolated young woman. And when things don't seem to be selling well enough, they think the solution is to make her darker.

The original pitch was Michael Green and Mike Johnson's 'hell on wheels', someone who would 'fight her friends as much as her enemies', a disaffected, alone young woman ... so don't piss her off.

Then Scott Lobdell had her fall in love with a villain, be hysterical, gullible, and  immature, almost turning her back on her family, willing to sacrifice Earth for her own needs.

The Michael Alan Nelson came on board, to the glee of the laughing Bobbi Chase who cooed about how dark the book was going to get. Nelson made her abandon Earth, turned her father into a villain, and then literally killed her while she cried for mercy.

And now ... why not ... let's have her literally vomit up her heart and embrace rage.

Is there no joy ... no light ... no hope in the DCU? Does everything need to be dark and edgy?

Of course, this comes on the week Marvel announces a new title where a young muslim woman is so inspired by Captain Marvel that she decides to become a hero herself ... Ms. Marvel. A young woman deciding to become a hero. Meanwhile DC announces that their most recognizable young woman hero, someone who should be inspired by her cousin to be a hero, becomes a Red Lantern.

Throughout her 50+ years of being around Supergirl has always been a character striving do what was right. She saw the best in people. She saw the best in the world. She never gave up. She might fail but she learned and she tried even harder. She was filled with passion but always directed at achieving her goal of doing good.

We have seen DC try to make her darker. From Matrix being a dupe of Brainiac and Lex to Jeph Loeb and Joe Kelly's horrific brat in the last incarnation, people have wanted to sully Kara's character. But each of these takes have ultimately failed. Supergirl fans don't want to see her dark. And fans of dark characters don't want to read Supergirl. That's why these takes always fail ... ALWAYS.

That's why Peter David's tale of redemption and Sterling Gates' story of a maturing hero and even Landry Walker's story of a shy Supergirl blossoming into a hero have all been lauded. Because they understood Supergirl and wrote stories for who she is.

I have tried to be patient with the nonsense of the new 52, the never-ending grimness, the aloof Superman, the killing heroes, the bickering Justice League, the 'evil is relative' tagline, the obvious missteps with Supergirl. I have tried.

Maybe this is a short lived thing. Maybe this is her story of redemption as she slowly rejects the rage. But I can't be sure any more. Because DC has just made one misstep after another. I don't think they are thinking that far in advance. And regardless, this announcement ... it didn't make me angry. It depressed me.

I am sure that is what DC was going for with this announcement a feeling of inevitablity and depression.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2013, 11:44:47 AM
Is there any superhero more shat on than Supergirl? It's like every new incarnation brings some new indignity.
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Post by: Yeti on November 11, 2013, 02:18:15 PM
Cyclops. But yeah, Supergirl gets it pretty rough.
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Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2013, 02:40:03 PM
Supergirl gets it pretty rough.

:phil
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Post by: Eric P on November 11, 2013, 08:53:05 PM

Second Issue Of 'The Sandman: Overture' Delayed Until February 2014

lol bi-monthly
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 11, 2013, 08:56:49 PM

Second Issue Of 'The Sandman: Overture' Delayed Until February 2014

lol bi-monthly

raise your hand if you're surprised
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Post by: Mupepe on November 11, 2013, 11:24:58 PM
Longshot Saves The Marvel Universe was surprisingly good. I didn't care for it when I first read the premise but I think they pulled it off nicely in the first issue.
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Post by: Eric P on November 12, 2013, 08:31:39 PM
DC comics editorial has no idea what it's doing does it?

DC Confirms 'FIVE YEARS LATER,' But What Does It Mean?

 Last week, DC Co-Publisher Dan DiDio put into motion a flurry of fan predictions as he confirmed that DC is working on an event called "Five Years Later."

To be clear, the confirmation was a bit cryptic. Plus, it came via an odd outlet — a YouTube video that spent much of its time promoting MAD magazine, cartoons and films.

But within the video, called "DC All Access," DiDio was discussing this spring's launch of the Batman: Eternal weekly. He said: "we have other weeklies planned," then pointed toward a bulletin board on the wall where he claimed hints were posted.

When the camera showed a close-up of the wall, two things were obvious — a sketch of Batman (that looked a lot like Batman Beyond), and several logo treatments for a DC event called Five Years Later.

Since the publisher was talking about "other weeklies," we can presume that Five Years Later is the title for — or the tagline associated with — a new DC weekly comic.

entire article is worth reading because it's just....wow  i dunno
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 13, 2013, 12:38:51 AM
Crazy Top Shelf sale on Comixology

what to get? I nabbed Underwater Welder and Infinite Kung Fu so far
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Post by: Eric P on November 13, 2013, 06:33:21 AM
They recently had a huge physical book sale and I grabbed (and liked!) the following

Alec: The Years Have Pants - huge omnibus of autobiographical comix from the artist of From Hell
The Lovely Horrible Stuff - interesting if minor work of personal economics and part travelog from Eddie Cambell.  was worth a read i feel
(i bought more stuff but this is all they have online)

other rec's
Essex County - a collection of Jeff Lemire's earliest works.  It's these that made me fall in love with his work long before he was writing stuff at DC
110 Percent - short book about middle age women obsessed with a boyband. 
120 Days of Simon - autobiographical travelog comics about a cartoonist just kind of drifting around Sweden (i got this for free from my library, dunno if it's for everyone, especially if you pay)
box office poison - i haven't read this in like a decade so it may not hold up, but i liked it at the time. it's about a bunch of drifless 20 year olds trying to figure out what to do with their lives

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 13, 2013, 09:17:07 PM
I've never read Box Office Poison, seems like I should have, but I my have passed my read-by date
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Post by: Eric P on November 15, 2013, 10:05:10 AM
Comixology is having a women of marvel sale which includes 12 issues of Dan Slott's excellent She-Hulk
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 15, 2013, 01:06:13 PM
Comixology is having a women of marvel sale which includes 12 issues of Dan Slott's excellent She-Hulk

I wish they'd re-release those with less exploitative covers

Finished Infinite Kung Fu last night. CRAZY awesome art. story was standard martial arts nonsense, but WOW, MUCH FIGHT
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Post by: Eric P on November 17, 2013, 08:11:18 AM
Ok finally got a chance to read the past two week's worth of comics stuff.

Batman '66 - still awesome.  19/20 are some more of the "motion" style comics.  This time dealing w/ False Face who has imitated Bruce Wayne in an attempt to foist off some counterfeit jewelry.  I liked these issues, but then I like most of these comics.

The Bunker #4 - I like this series but I feel it moves a bit too slow for the pace at which it's put out.  Will probably read much better in trades.  It's actually being picked up by Oni who will be reformatting it from landscape to "normal" and put out in print form starting early next year.

Real West #2 - Didn't like this as much as the first issue at all.  Too cartoony in art style and story.

Prisoner of Space - Really liked this sci-fi one shot about a man who wakes up on a long term space ship to find that everyone else on the ship is gone.  it's a fairly standard set up w/ a fairly standard wrapping up point, but it's told quite well and is worth the buck to read it. 

FBP #5 - This will probably read better in trade to be honest.  I still really like the dynamic art, but I'm not too hot on the story as it's being told.

Superior Foes of Spider-man - I don't know how well this comic is doing sales-wise but it's probably my favorite Marvel book right now.  Consistently clever and fun tales of the massively incompetent Sinister Six.  This issue picks up some tricks being laid down by Hawkeye and Young Avengers and presents information in cool new ways and also features some GREAT character moments.  I seriously can't say enough nice things about this book.

Fearless Defenders #11 - I kind of wish that this could continue online or something rather than being cancelled.  I think that this book is a lot of fun with some good character interactions.  This issue the team and a makeshift group of faux amazons fights sea monsters and a group of evil anti-amazons.  Also, girl kissing.

Giant Days #1 - John Alison of Scary Go Round fame does Scott Pilgrim.  I like Alison's work a lot but this didn't feel that original or great and is essentially just gender flipping Scott Pilgrim and removing the romance component. 

Hinterkind #1 - last issues lack of anyone other than white people is made weirder when we're told the village depicted was supposed to have about 1000 people in it.  This is really the most Vertigo of the recent Vertigo books in that it absolutely reminds me of like 3 or 4 other Vertigo books.  Fables for the "Faeries are Real!" Y the last man for the "Post Apocalyptic Society!"

Action Presidents #1 The team behind The Comic Book History of Comics and Action Philosophers takes on American History.  They have a good eye for presenting the absurdities in history and it really came to the fore here.  I had no idea Washington forced his slave to dress like an Ottoman's servant all the time. 

Ghosted #5 - When this started going off the rails in #2 and started to be far more different than I was expected I was considering dropping the title, but the first story line wrapped up quite well once you realize it's not going for Old Dark House but rather it's trying to be 13 Ghosts (remake version).  Bastards versus Evil Ghosts.  Worth a read.

King's Watch #2 - This is an older issue but Jeff Parker is writing the King's Feature Syndicate adventure heroes (Phantom, Mandrake, Flash) and having fun doing it.  It's a pretty fun adventure comic played more straight than you'd expect.

Manifest Destiny #2 - Lewis and Clark versus frontier monsters.  Awesome.

Coffin Hill #2 - a bit better than the first issue.  I think that this will probably read better in trades as it's unfolding a bit slower than I'd like.  I'm witholding judgement for now.

Rocket Girl #2 - Doesn't really sell the 80s to me.  I think it would have been better if the 80s segments were done in a bronze age style rather than the loose goose modern style in which it's told.  I like it though and am curious to see where it goes.

Three #2 - the anti-300.  Well written, well drawn.  Spartans are assholes.

Umbral #1 - creators of The Wasteland write dark fantasy.  Trope filled for now.  Will give this a full storyline before deciding to keep with it or not.

Amazing X-men #1 - on the one hand it's a fun x-men comic about Nightcrawler in heaven versus his dad who is trying to invade Paradise and take over.  On the other hand it's way way way bound to Wolverine and the X-Men in that it honestly just felt like a W&tX comic which just happened to have Kurt appearing.

Alex + Ada #1 - I really like Girls and Sword but this tale of a man and his real doll robot fuck toy didn't really grab me.  I feel like we've seen this a million times before in genre literature.  The art is beautiful though.

Marvel Knights Spider-man - Beautiful book which tells a kind of standard "spider-man versus his foes"  Great great art and page design.  Reminds me of JHW3's Promethea layouts.

Mighty Avengers #3 - Good not great.  Hate the art. Black heroes versus Mythos monstrosities but I can't wait until it's out from under this Infinity bullshit so I don't have to worry about cross-over stuff for something which I don't care about.  My fear is that since this is Avenger's Branded it's not going to get it's own identity and will instead be yoked to whatever continuity bullshit the main Avengers books are pushing.

Trillium #4 - really like this.  where is this Lemire when he writes his DCU stuff?  Probably being beaten out of him by editorial.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: magus on November 17, 2013, 06:20:31 PM
so i've read some of this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empowered

it's basicaly about this super heroine full of self-esteem issues who gets her super power from a latex tight suit but since the suit rips off easily,she easily lose her super power and thus she usualy ends gagged and bounded (it's pretty NSFW,i'm not sure i should be talking about this in the first place :S) and with every other superhero making fun of her for being useless

in a perfect world this would be a videogame and the "sexist!" shitstorm would be the most glorius thing ever :fbm

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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 18, 2013, 03:07:10 PM
Batman 66 19/20 were two of the best issues yet. I know it's challenging on a weekly schedule, but the motion Guided View Native really sells the BAM POW nature of this book. It's hard to recommend every week, but since the stories are so standalone it's easy enough to just read the "good" ones. It seems to be finding its groove, though.

Almost done with Starstruck. Imagine L'Incal if it made no goddamned sense and changed premises every 8 pages. It's a difficult read and I don't think I much like it, it's the comics equivalent of a super-hopped beer or a super-peated whisky.
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Post by: Eric P on November 18, 2013, 03:18:30 PM
Rogue Trooper is 2000AD war comics.  They're remarkably straight forward war stories using Vietnam War and American Civil War tropes and iconography as a starting off point.   The titular character is carrying around the simulated personalities of his dead buddies embedded into his equipment.  Not as fun as Judge Dredd but it's got a good energy in that great 2000AD way
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Post by: bork on November 20, 2013, 07:33:37 PM
so i've read some of this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empowered

it's basicaly about this super heroine full of self-esteem issues who gets her super power from a latex tight suit but since the suit rips off easily,she easily lose her super power and thus she usualy ends gagged and bounded (it's pretty NSFW,i'm not sure i should be talking about this in the first place :S) and with every other superhero making fun of her for being useless

in a perfect world this would be a videogame and the "sexist!" shitstorm would be the most glorius thing ever :fbm

Empowered is awesome.  Easily my favorite series out there- I love Adam Warren's stuff.  The thing about Emp losing her powers and getting tied up is an on-going gag that goes away after the first couple of volumes.  It's more about the villains wanting "shoulder candy" and nobody is doing anything sexual to her.  In fact, I remember reading somewhere that the relationship between Emp and her boyfriend Thugboy is presented as one of the healthier relationships in comics.  I don't think it would be looked as sexist as you think, either.  The whole book is a send-up/satire of superhero stuff.  You even have THE GODDAMN MAIDMAN flashing HIS panties, for fuck's sake!   :lol

After the first three volumes, the book's direction changes and you get longer, more drawn out stories instead of mostly gag-style stuff.   You could probably go through it all pretty quick- there's only seven volumes out.  Eight is getting released next month.  Then there's five specials that are written by Warren, but drawn by guest artists after the first volume.  Most of these are in color, too.

Oh, and there's more to that suit, too.  Can't say anything without spoiling it. 
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 20, 2013, 07:38:43 PM
Well The Wake just got crazy.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Though, I'm unsure if we needed 5 issues of set-up. Hopefully, the pre-disaster stuff still has some importance, but I'm very excited to see where this is going. Snyder's little preview at the end of #5 makes it sounds like it's going to be pretty insane. That and the picture of the "new" main character makes it seem like it's going to be even more action packed.
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Post by: nudemacusers on November 20, 2013, 07:45:17 PM
been getting into comics lately, just finished uber (up to #7). pretty cool IMO. An interesting idea, and the execution of the story is nice.

that's all i have to contribute haha.
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Post by: Eric P on November 22, 2013, 09:39:19 AM
Well The Wake just got crazy.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Though, I'm unsure if we needed 5 issues of set-up. Hopefully, the pre-disaster stuff still has some importance, but I'm very excited to see where this is going. Snyder's little preview at the end of #5 makes it sounds like it's going to be pretty insane. That and the picture of the "new" main character makes it seem like it's going to be even more action packed.
[close]

yeah that was totally unexpected and i agree with your spoiler text.  great fake out though!
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Post by: Eric P on November 22, 2013, 09:37:33 PM
My comics shop sold out of Afterlife with Archie. I was heartbroken. They should be getting more in thankfully.

I grabbed

Shelter #5 – finally, some adults come to check on the compound. was curious why this was taking so long. this will probably read better in trade format at this point.

sex criminals #3 – the second issue was far better than the first, i think, but this one is just “eh” don’t really want to see our two protagonists versus the cumworld police. i mean, that’s just too expected within the genre. i guess i was hoping for a fantasy romp or examination of the concept like a less rapey The Fermata. I think I’ll drop this for now.

zero #3 – didn’t like the first issue that much, loved the 2nd but this is just nuts. Hand over hand a great comic. Very pleasant surprise all around.

the wake #5 – that was unexpected. probably unnecessary on the whole, but still, i’m on board.
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Post by: Eric P on November 23, 2013, 08:36:06 AM
Death Sentence -1 it had an interesting concept and was $1 thanks to a Comixology so i picked it up.  The pull quote from Millar should have been my warning.  It's like if Maxim UK had a comic book
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Post by: Eric P on November 23, 2013, 12:23:58 PM
Just wrapped Nowhere Men which was kind of weird.  It goes all over the place in an attempt to seem more expansive than it actually is.  absolutely beautiful art though.  Well worth flipping through.  And 6 thick issues for $10 is a great value.  The story of The Beatles as world changing scientists is pretty cool, but we don't get that story, we get the "after" tale which is kind of boring.  The Beatles as Fantastic Four would have been awesome.

Also just wrapped I, Vampire vol 3.  Volume 1 is Vampire Politics, Volume 2 is Vampire Apocalypse, Volume 3 is horrible editorial fiat.  Ignore it.  Make up any other ending in your head.
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Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on November 23, 2013, 04:12:26 PM
Finally finished Starstruck. I wasn't really on-board while I read it but by the time I finished I really, really liked it. It reminded me of learning a foreign language, where your comprehension is always a few chapters behind what's currently going on. It's basically Riot Grrrl L'Incal with fantastic, Quitely-esque art. If you like British 80s comix or cosmic SF romps then I'd definitely recommend. Apparently before IKW collected it in 2009 it was fairly unavailable, so its reputation may still be re-growing.
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Post by: Eric P on December 05, 2013, 11:49:21 AM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-29z9j1KcC04/UqAEWbcygnI/AAAAAAAApH0/UHmYigO2f-U/s1600/dark+orko!!!!.jpg)

dark orko

thanks, obama
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Post by: Mr. Gundam on December 05, 2013, 03:05:53 PM
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-29z9j1KcC04/UqAEWbcygnI/AAAAAAAApH0/UHmYigO2f-U/s1600/dark+orko!!!!.jpg)

dark orko

thanks, obama

Why is Superman referenced on that page?
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Post by: Eric P on December 05, 2013, 03:10:05 PM
it's from DCU vs the Masters of the Universe
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 05, 2013, 04:33:03 PM
It's what the new Batman/Superman movie is leading up to.
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Post by: Eric P on December 05, 2013, 10:35:07 PM
If anyone wants a super cheap toehold into the madness that is Judge Dredd, you can currently get a DRM free PDF / CBZ version from 2000AD's website for 2 GBP (about $3.27 USD)

http://shop.2000adonline.com/products/digitalgn_judge_dredd_the_complete_case_files_01

These stories aren't as great as Dredd will become but they're pretty nutso on their own.

http://dreddreviews.blogspot.com/2011/06/complete-case-files-01.html

Dredd Reviews says this is a horrible place to start, but I don't know.  I started here and I was able to just accept that it wasn't going to be amazing right off the bat and it's not (it's kind of bland as hell to start) but I think it very quickly picks up speed.  Not as great as the larger epics we start to see in the second volume, but good enough for someone who wants to dip their toe into Dredd on the cheap.

OR if you have an iPAD, 2000AD is currently selling all of the odd numbered Complete Case Files books for half price throughout December.  so you can jump right into 3 which has some very good stand alone stories (and some kind of meh ones at the start detailing Mega City 1's Mafia).
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 05, 2013, 10:56:17 PM
I bought some stuff off of instockstrades.com. I hope I made some good purchases.

I got the Daredevil Frank Miller and Klaus Janson Omnibus. I like most people have enjoyed Frank Miller's Batman stuff, but I've never read any Daredevil and well I thought why not.

Got The first Uncanny X-men Omnibus since it got a reprint and the 2nd one is coming out next year. I've read a lot of those Classic X-men Reprint comics, but that was back when I was like 11. I have all the other X-men Omnibuses so again I was like "well might as well read the begining of CC's run". The 2nd Collection is going to include The Dark Phoenix story and well I haven't read that in years. Can't wait for that to come out.

I also picked up Sleeper Vol. 1 and Gotham Central Vol. . Really been enjoying Fatale and Velvet. I guess you could say I'm becoming a Brubacker fan and well I should explore his other work. These two also came highly recommended.

Other than that, stuff like Synder's Batman trades and other N52 stuff.

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Post by: chronovore on December 07, 2013, 08:27:52 AM
I think you'll like Miller's DD. I've read one opinion that he was given Batman because he'd done so much with DD. In some ways, the DD stuff is better, because Miller had a character no-one cared about, and could do whatever he wanted with him. The stuff's more pure, closer to the source of what Miller wanted to tap.
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Post by: Eric P on December 07, 2013, 09:18:59 AM
I haven't read Miller's DD stuff in a while.  I'm sort of eager to do so because I genuinely love that stuff, but on the other hand I'm curious how it will read with Miller's uh recent political swing.



Fearless Defenders #12 - I waited for trade for the first collection but enjoyed it so much I ended up buying the individual issues in a misguided attempt to try and help save it.  I'm somewhat sad to see this go because it was quite enjoyable.  Goofy and nonsensical like the original Defenders but with an enjoyable amount of cast interaction.  There were some weird turns here and there (like the revelation that a character was a daughter of Doom) but I ilke that the series was just a light adventure title.

Trillium 5 - I feel sorry for anyone who is reading this in trade or digital because it's so painfully obvious that the intended format is just a series of floppies.  This issue has two stories which run literally parallel (one atop the other) that loop in and out of each other like a mainstream Chris Ware book.  Last issue messed up the time stream and our character's places within it, and this issue deals with the ramifications of that as both parties are split into familiar yet very strange places.  This is the Lemire I want to read and it makes up for the mainstream DCU and disappointing Sweet Tooth series.

Hinterkind 3 - I still don't know how I feel about this but it's the most vertigo book to ever vertigo.  Post apocalyptic fantasy series were mythological (European mythological, no less) creatures roam America hunting down the remaining (uh, white only?) humans.  I'm going to give it the first story arc then decide whether to drop it or not.  I'm thinking "drop it" because let me tell you the Native American / Elf thing who cut off his pointy ears to assimilate is some played out bullshit I expect in Shadowrun novels from the 90s.

Legends of Red Sonja 2 - Not bad but not great.  Short Sonja stories written by prose authors. 

Velvet 2 - Love it much better than Lazarus, let me tell you.  That is some TV pitch crap right there.  You have an infinite budget so you give us this tiny thing? 

Burn the Orphanage 2 - Hell yeah.  Last issue was all 8Bit Double Dragon / River City Ransom homage, this issue is Mortal Kombat stuff and it features some great little set pieces including a really rather explicit fight with a Goat Headed Luchador. 

ASM 700.1 - I get why this was set up under the ASM title because It would probably far more difficult to sell another Spidey limited series than just tack this numbering on.  This reads like an out of continuity title but that's fine.  I think I prefer those stories anyway.  It's about a paralyzing snowstorm which has hit NYC and an exhausted Peter Parker taking a break from webs lining.  More than that happens, but that's the gist of it.  I liked it more than I thought I would even if it's fairly blatant with it's symbolism.

Marvel Knights Spider-Man 3 - This book is all about the art and page design.  Its' like someone said "Hey, do Batwoman stuff with spider-man" and the artist said "fuck yeah, i can do that" and just went to town.  this is also probably annoying to read in digital format but it's pretty on the page.

Indestructible Hulk Annual 1 - grabbed this because Jeff Parker.  Fun little tale that plays off the differences between modern Stark and modern Banner retconning a little shared history for the both of them to further play off the differences.  I like Banner, but I don't really like Banner as SUPER SCIENTIST because I feel that Marvel is lousy with the damn things.  Also the cover is far more exciting than what we get inside the book.

The Fox 2 - eh?  Doesn't really feel like Haspiel's best work and Waid is just going into overdrive with this writing stuff.  The script feels a bit too busy, like Waid is trying to justify his paycheck here.  Haspiel gives us plenty of visual storytelling with a very expressive line.

I am also reading the holy hell out of classic Dredd stuff.  The 2000AD iPad App currently has half of The Complete Case File books for half off.  As the scans I found were for the Eagle comics versions of the tale and were horribly printed and horribly colored, I'm fine with just paying for these very good B&W reproductions.  If only they maintained the color splash pages in this, but it's fine w/o.
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Post by: Eric P on December 09, 2013, 07:57:07 AM
context for the dark orko thing above

http://everydayislikewednesday.blogspot.com/2013/12/dc-universe-vs-masters-of-universe-3-it.html
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2013, 10:42:08 AM
context for the dark orko thing above

http://everydayislikewednesday.blogspot.com/2013/12/dc-universe-vs-masters-of-universe-3-it.html

As some one who had all the He-Man action figures and watched every episode of the He-Man and the Masters of the Universe cartoon, I can't stop laughing at this. :lol
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Post by: chronovore on December 10, 2013, 11:21:30 PM
context for the dark orko thing above

http://everydayislikewednesday.blogspot.com/2013/12/dc-universe-vs-masters-of-universe-3-it.html

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Which brings us to the third issue, where two more Justice Leagues join the adventure, more Masters arrive on Earth-New 52, and Skeletor's unseen ally is finally revealed to be the most hilariously dumb villain imaginable.

Bat-Mite?
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Post by: chronovore on December 11, 2013, 12:27:45 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/lhc1FxN.jpg)
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(http://i.imgur.com/zAy7i5b.gif)
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 19, 2013, 03:32:22 PM
I finished Season 1 of Sleeper not too long ago and man that was pretty cool. Just really fun dark storytelling. I mean at some points it feels stupidly dark and yet that's why it's so great. Its funny, Holden is just amusingly cynical.

Yeah I'm starting to become a pretty big Brubaker fan. Fatale is solid. Gotham Central seems pretty good. Velvet is great.
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Post by: Yeti on December 19, 2013, 06:35:52 PM
I think I read somewhere that Animal Man got cancelled? Isn't that one of DC's better comics post Nu52?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 19, 2013, 06:53:11 PM
yeah Animal Man is done
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 26, 2013, 09:45:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Pa8QdMGym0
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 26, 2013, 09:56:20 AM
image digital is selling all of their comics for half off until the 28th
this includes comics which came out a few days ago.

i stocked up on the 8 most recent issues of Fatale for $8.46

You can grab stuff like Saga etc.  This is probably the cheapest way (outside of stealing or the library system) to check out some of the bigger recent Image comics.  The library portion isn't that deep compared to what they offer on Comixology, but it does have most of their newer, more popular titles from 2013's new series launches
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on January 10, 2014, 07:41:52 PM
http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/2014/01/09/grant-morrison-nameless-horror-comic-book-series/4386589/


:hyper
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Post by: Joe Molotov on January 10, 2014, 07:47:03 PM
GET EXCITE
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on January 11, 2014, 01:54:01 AM
Seem's like Marvel's Ultimate line is getting boiled down to a few titles

Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man
Ultimate FF  Future Foundation consisting of Sue Storm, Tony Stark, The Falcon, and Machine Man
All-New Ultimates team consisting of Miles Spider-Man, Kitty Pryde, Cloak and Dagger, Black Widow (who was previously Spider-Woman, a female clone of Peter Parker with Peter's memories?)and someone named Bombshell (?)

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/120/884/i300/Ultimate_FF_1_McKone_Cover.jpg) (http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/120/766/i300/AN_ultimates_CVR_2.jpeg)
http://www.newsarama.com/20005-all-new-now-invades-the-ultimate-universe-as-april-brings-new-titles-big-changes.html



What the fuck is going on in The Ultimate universe? I haven't read anything since Ultimatum.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on January 16, 2014, 08:01:08 PM
What the fuck is going on in The Ultimate universe? I haven't read anything since Ultimatum.

Well, you know; the ultimate universe was created for an easy jump on point for new readers to make it less confusing.

a female clone of Peter Parker with Peter's memories

Wait, wha...?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 16, 2014, 11:08:11 PM
Yeah, Spider-Woman in the Ultimate Universe is a clone of Spider-Man.  She's going to get a name change and will be Black Widow in the new Ultimates book.  Maybe I missed something, but I don't get why the character didn't go to Aunt May, Mary Jane, etc. after Peter was killed and become part of their "family."  Bombshell is a new character who popped up at the end of Ultimate Spider-Man.  Was a villain turned good.

Danny Ketch, who was one of the Ghost Rider hosts in the 616 Universe, is going to be Ultimate Machine Man.  Also they made him Irish because reasons.

What the fuck is going on in The Ultimate universe? I haven't read anything since Ultimatum.

That's about where I decided to start reading it.  Well, some of it anyway.  In a nutshell:

-Wolverine has a bastard child who takes over his role, because you always gotta have some dude with claws and shit.

-Miles Morales becomes the new Spider-Man after the Ultimate Universe Spider-Man is killed.  Meets the 616 Marvel Universe Spider-Man in a crossover story, too.  Venom kills his mother and he quits being Spider-Man for a year, then comes back and joins up with Ultimate Cloak And Dagger, Bombshell, and Spider-Woman to take on the Roxxon Corporation.  Basically the start of the new Ultimates Series right there.

-Nobody trusts mutants after Ultimatum and confines them to camps.  That ends and then Sentinels take over a bunch of the U.S. until they're all finally stopped. 

-Kitty Pryde leads a bunch of mutants to a plot of land in the desert and starts a new "country," Utopia.  Storm and some plant-powered mutant terraform the area.  I don't really know what happens from here because it got really boring and I stopped reading it, but they have a war with some other mutants and that's it.

-No idea what's up with the Ultimates; I didn't read the latest series.

-The big storyline now is fallout from the 616 Universe Age Of Ultron storyline, where "holes" in the space time continuum were opened.  Galactus went to the Ultimate Universe, merged with Ultimate Galactus (who is not a being, but rather a techo-organic insect-like swarm), and is now consuming and destroying Earth.  Everything is completely fucked up and more characters are getting killed off.

So I assume from this that the vast majority of super heroes/villains will get killed off except for the remaining ones in the new books.  I'm surprised they're continuing on with this; was expecting it all to end and then some of the Ultimate characters cross over to the 616 Universe, like Miles.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 16, 2014, 11:40:40 PM
it's from DCU vs the Masters of the Universe

...oh god
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Post by: Rufus on February 07, 2014, 07:02:58 AM
Strap in, it's going to be a wild ride.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 07, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
Yeah, that comic isa crass bundle of fuckawesome. It does bear some portion of '90s non-Code "edgy" burden, but this is one of the works which defined it for the world, not one of the latecomers which aped those tropes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2014, 01:06:40 AM
I bagged the latest three TPBs of The Walking Dead and Invincible during my USA trip.

I ended up running through TWD 17, 18, 19 (Something to Fear, What Comes After, March to War) at a faster-than-average clip. Usually I'll try to savor them, even re-read all the previous TPBs to fully catch up and be ready for what happens. I decided not to put myself through The Governor arc again because I felt numb the last time I read it. I remember feeling abject horror at Michonne's predicament and resolution there, the first time. Having read it two or three more times since then, I opted out. Turns out, this Negan arc is nearly as bad.

This whole arc with Negan and the Saviors is pretty gut-wrenching as well. I quite enjoyed all three volumes, but it does look like Rick is his own worst enemy, and has been mercurial in his decision making for a bit.
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Choosing to fight Negan due to his appearance with a minimal retinue, while not being backed by the superior forces which he was already gathering was a tremendous mistake. Especially if his assumption had been that the Saviors had no weapons, the better plan would then have been to eliminate the outposts in a guerrilla fashion, then lay siege to the now-found Savior stronghold until they ran out of supplies.
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Negan is a more interesting foe than The Governor, leading a stranger collection of survivors than The Gov's enclave featured. Negan is, in some ways, the worst case scenario for geeky comic book readers: a big, dumb, unpredictable and violent jock and a bully is holding an entire community in thrall. That said, it's stunning that average people who have survived this long are willing to accept his situation, rather than overthrow him. There is some minor unrest presented, but not what I'd expect overall.

I'm anxious to see where it goes in TPB 20, due March 11.

Invincible as well was pretty surprising. This started and ended the Viltrumite War, including the lovechild of Arnold Schwarzenegger and Freddie Mercury as the leader of the Viltrumite Empire. It was an engrossing read which also kept me rapt, which I blew through faster than planned. In the end, I found the resolution a little disappointing, and the sudden rationality of the enemy to go against the rash-tempered natured he'd shown in every other scene leading to that point.
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Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on February 24, 2014, 02:51:21 PM
 :drudge http://www.amazon.com/Beautiful-Darkness-Fabien-Vehlmann/dp/1770461299/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1393271429&sr=8-2&keywords=beautiful+darkness

Buy it, it's french.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 23, 2014, 09:41:14 PM
Making the Facebook rounds today:
http://www.sadanduseless.com/2010/06/supermans-girlfriend-im-curious-black/
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2014, 11:03:19 PM
This and Superman vs. Muhammad Ali combined to end racism forever.

(http://i.imgur.com/m8zkHJ6.jpg)
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Post by: chronovore on March 24, 2014, 12:29:30 AM
You can see in the penultimate panel that they were going for the bro-shake, but probably some editor asked for it to be turned into a white-man's handshake in the last panel.   :'(
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Post by: chronovore on April 15, 2014, 07:41:17 PM
http://io9.com/first-x-men-days-of-future-past-clip-unleashes-the-fut-1562958829

I should probably flonque that into the Movie News thread as well...

But while I'm here, all the Invisibles comics are just 99¢ on Comixology this week. Have a gander at Morrison's best work... period!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 16, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
Amazon just bought Comixology.

https://www.comixology.com/message

Not sure what it means for the app and prices; Audible was purchased by Amazon, but the audiobook company has not integrated with the iOS Kindle app, and I think it's separate on Kindle devices.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 16, 2014, 09:54:13 PM
I am reading The Comic Book History of Comics, in which Stan features prominently. He's given some gentle gibes, but it doesn't seem like he was the fame-grabbing terror many fans made him out to be. If anything, Kirby seems like he should have self-promoted a little better than he did; I'm not calling out a dead guy, nor do I want to second guess him -- I just don't want to dog pile on Lee as much as I used to.

Anyway, now that Disney owns Marvel, I can point my finger at a new supervillain which is controlling all the characters I cherish.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 17, 2014, 08:47:58 AM
Yeah, that's what I'm seeing now.

There's a section on some of these creators, back when characters were coming to the end of their copyright, in the days before Disney managed to lobby for and achieve near-infinite copyright extension.

Simon and Kirby had created Captain America together, and Simon approached Marvel to get paid to allow Marvel to continue using Captain America. Marvel told Kirby they'd pay him the same that they pay Simon, so he agreed. However, apparently most of Simon's money went to the lawyer fees, so Kirby didn't get nearly as much as he'd been expecting. Hey, jesus, Kirby... you've been screwed THIS MANY TIMES by publishers, why the hell don't you bring your own lawyer to the table, or talk with Simon's lawyer first, to see what you're agreeing to?

Sheesh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on April 17, 2014, 03:25:28 PM
i don't think stan was necessarily malicious in what he did.  some people are just self-promoters by nature.  others are pretty bad at it.  lee is a very good self-promoter.  as it happens, he worked with a lot of people who were bad at/not comfortable with self-promotion, and feelings ended up hurt as a result.

Really liked Chris Sims' recent article about Stan Lee (http://comicsalliance.com/stan-lee-legacy-jack-kirby-steve-ditko-marvel-history/). Basically, Stan's both wildly overrated AND underrated by different sides of the comics industry.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 17, 2014, 03:41:29 PM
first i came to love stan lee, then i came to loathe stan lee, now i'm just sad for kirby
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 17, 2014, 07:38:09 PM
first i came to love stan lee, then i came to loathe stan lee, now i'm just sad for kirby

That's about where I'm ending up. Despite my earlier post, I also understand that Kirby may have been unfortunately trusting, or introverted, or cynical -- and that's part of what made him what he was. If I could wish for any change, I'd just give him a kick-ass agent or manager, and let them fight for his stuff. And then hope the manager doesn't run off with Kirby's share as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 17, 2014, 09:27:07 PM
While your reading about Lee, you might as well read Chris Sim's article on Bob Kane.

http://comicsalliance.com/ask-chris-164-bob-kane-is-just-the-worst/

I also recently read this which was a pretty good book about Superman and comics in general.

http://www.amazon.com/Superman-High-Flying-History-Americas-Enduring/dp/1400068665/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1397784378&sr=1-1&keywords=the+high+flying+story+of+the+man+of+steel
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on April 17, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
Rover Red Charlie is pretty good. Nice art, simple and sweet story about three dog buddies at the end of the world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 17, 2014, 11:24:18 PM
Yeah, while I'm forgiving of Lee, I don't feel the same way about Bob Kane.  That guy deliberately cheated people out of both money and credit, and he did it to the very last.  I can't remember the last time Lee had a problem sharing a co-creator credit, even if he generally did only look out for himself.

Yeah. The Comic Book History of Comics paints a very nasty picture of Kane, including the "underage" contract, going behind other creators' backs to sabotage them, etc. And there's plenty out there about what his Batman was like, and how little it resembled what we love about Bats, and how much Bill Finger's does.
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Post by: Eric P on April 17, 2014, 11:46:06 PM
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck bob kane

i can say that fairly confidently

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 18, 2014, 08:51:29 AM
Superior Spider-Man ended at #31 this week.  The climax felt kind of uneventful after everything that's happened. 

The biggest changes to the cast of Spider-Man were:
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-Doc Ock, as Peter Parker, ends any chance of getting back together with Mary Jane.  He goes back to school and gets a Phd, starts dating a midget, and starts his own tech/research company after being a major cause for his old company being shut down.  As Spider-Man, he quits the Avengers, gets his own base with henchmen, and floods the city with little "Spider-Bots" that watch everyone and report crime.  He generally acts like a dickhead and makes almost everyone hate him.

-Carlie Cooper and Mary Jane, Peter's ex girlfriends, are the only ones who continue to suspect something is wrong with Spider-Man and keep investigating, even after the Avengers give up on it.

-Norman Osborn, The Green Goblin returns, mostly behind the scenes until the end of the series, builds up an army based in the sewers, and finds a way to make the Spider-Bots completely ignore anything Goblin-related.

-Miguel O'Hara, Spider-Man 2099, is brought to the present and ends up working at the newly-formed Alchemax Corporation (the mega-corp. that controls New York in the dystopian 2099 universe) with his grandfather, to watch all the dirty dealings going on.  Alchemax is also formed by Liz Allen, the daughter-in-law of Norman Osborn. 
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All of this leads to a major event:

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The Green Goblin and his army rise up and take over New York.  He has also developed a "goblin virus" that turns people into crazy green goblin-like super villains, loyal to him, including Carlie.  He destroys Spider-Man's base and it is revealed that most of the henchman are working for the Goblin.  Meanwhile, Mayor J. Jonah Jameson is approached by Alchemax to unleash new Spider-Slayer robots, to curb the goblin problem.  He makes a deal and pays for them, only for the Goblin to hack them and have them wreck shit on his behalf.  Doc Ock tells Mary Jane to take Aunt May and her husband and get out of town, but his girlfriend gets kidnapped.  He also meets the Goblin, who reveals that he knows Spider-Man is really Doc Ock.
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And then ends on a weak note:

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For the SECOND time in this series, it turns out that Peter Parker is "alive" within Doc Ock's memories.  He was already "killed" once before, but comes back, relives Doc Ock's entire life through his memories, then regains his own as Peter Parker.  Instead of fighting Doc Ock for control of his body again, however, this time Doc Ock just suddenly up and decides that he's been defeated, straps himself to a machine, and erases himself from Peter's body, leaving Peter back in control. 

This leaves Peter to clean up the mess, which he does pretty easily considering that he's been "dead" and unaware of everything that's been going on for months of continuity.  It turns out that the Green Goblin has changed his face and has been acting as a founder of Alchemax.  Spider-Man gets a cure for the goblin virus and uses it on the Green Goblin, effectively erasing his insanity and super strength.  He escapes and says he's going to change his face/identity again to keep fucking with Spider-Man, though. 

And that's pretty much it.  Maybe Amazing will cover the fallout in more depth, but with Superior, it's just Peter basically saying "sorry I was a dickhead" and people going "hmm...OK!"  :lol ::)  Mary Jane and Carlie get the truth, but instead of sticking by Peter, they both give up on him and want nothing more to do with him.  Makes no sense after they spent months trying to figure out what was going on and didn't give up.
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While there's still some big changes in Spider-Man's life from Doc Ock taking over, the way Superior ended just makes it feel like so much of it is completely irrelevant to the returning Peter Parker.  But maybe Amazing #1 will will make the fallout seem greater.  I hope so- after all this Superior stuff, I want to see stories of Spider-Man trying to put his life back together and dealing with so many changes, not swinging around like nothing happened.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 18, 2014, 09:44:52 AM
sounds like "look, this is all great and stuff, but we have a movie coming out next month.  fix it. now."
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Post by: chronovore on April 18, 2014, 07:36:47 PM
(snip)
And then ends on a weak note:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
For the SECOND time in this series, it turns out that Peter Parker is "alive" within Doc Ock's memories.  He was already "killed" once before, but comes back, relives Doc Ock's entire life through his memories, then regains his own as Peter Parker.  Instead of fighting Doc Ock for control of his body again, however, this time Doc Ock just suddenly up and decides that he's been defeated, straps himself to a machine, and erases himself from Peter's body, leaving Peter back in control. 

This leaves Peter to clean up the mess, which he does pretty easily considering that he's been "dead" and unaware of everything that's been going on for months of continuity.  It turns out that the Green Goblin has changed his face and has been acting as a founder of Alchemax.  Spider-Man gets a cure for the goblin virus and uses it on the Green Goblin, effectively erasing his insanity and super strength.  He escapes and says he's going to change his face/identity again to keep fucking with Spider-Man, though. 

And that's pretty much it.  Maybe Amazing will cover the fallout in more depth, but with Superior, it's just Peter basically saying "sorry I was a dickhead" and people going "hmm...OK!"  :lol ::)  Mary Jane and Carlie get the truth, but instead of sticking by Peter, they both give up on him and want nothing more to do with him.  Makes no sense after they spent months trying to figure out what was going on and didn't give up.
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(snip)

Relevant section bolded; this is the explanation, isn't it?

But if you're referring to stuff outside Doc's experience, it wouldn't make sense. I'm just going off what you wrote. I wouldn't read Spider-Man these days -- there's too much going on in that continuity for anything to make any sense to me, e.g. Doc Ock? Really?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on April 22, 2014, 01:47:42 PM
This old thing I stumbled across is upsetting me

http://comicsalliance.com/dc-comics-marvel-golden-age-silver-age-comics-history/ (http://comicsalliance.com/dc-comics-marvel-golden-age-silver-age-comics-history/)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 22, 2014, 03:06:02 PM
it's a great article which really articulates a lot of why i love DC characters but can't read current DC comics

DC Bronze Age reprints are amazing.  If DC had a Marvel Unlimited style service I'd be absolutely set.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on April 22, 2014, 03:13:02 PM
I don't know, I think it is more sobering than upsetting.

And now the same thing is going on with their movies. For the longest time, DC was the only game in town with first their Superman, then Batman movies. Then Marvel movies started coming out and DC is playing catch up all over again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 22, 2014, 03:28:22 PM
I don't know, I think it is more sobering than upsetting.

And now the same thing is going on with their movies. For the longest time, DC was the only game in town with first their Superman, then Batman movies. Then Marvel movies started coming out and DC is playing catch up all over again.

I was gonna say DC still has TV/cartoons but honestly they're both dropping the ball. Disney killed Spectacular Spidey to spite Sony and Warner/Cartoon Network strapped cement shoes to DC Nation and tossed it overboard. What a fucking joke. :maf

I guess there's Arrow. :larry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2014, 08:41:55 PM
They also ditched Google payments.

Edit- I believe you can still buy from within the Android app, you just have to have a card on file with Comixology. Apple's draconianness makes that impossible to do in the iOS app, though.

I always bought through the website so I'm not really affected but it's still a pretty nasty thing to do and makes my fear about Amazon buying them even more founded.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2014, 09:11:36 PM
It kinda pisses me off this could send people to other apps, though. I mean, I loved that Comixology was THE app. When I first found it I went, "Wait, both Marvel AND DC allow me to buy comics through a single service? WHOAH." I was even peeved that Dark Horse didn't agree too. I was hoping eventually it'd be a de facto standard for even manga publishers.

Now with Amazon buying it, that dream seems so much farther out...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 27, 2014, 10:51:38 AM
Reminds me of when Marvel decided they didn't need Diamond.

Oh well, this got me to take a closer look at Marvel Unlimited, and I've found it's better for my needs.

MU is amazing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 27, 2014, 07:29:49 PM

Yeah, I don't think there's anything to worry about.  If anything, it means less chance Comixology will go tits up in some bizarre future.

I stand corrected.

http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/4/26/5656468/comixology-ios-update-removes-in-app-purchases

Right out of the Amazon playbook.

It's actually Apple's policy, IIRC. Apple doesn't want anyone selling anything through their platform which doesn't involve them. At its worst, it's so they get their cut, but I bet it also ensures they can intercede on behalf of customers, offer and enforce refunds, etc.

It /is/ a bit troublesome that I can't buy anything in my iOS Kindle or Audible apps directly, and instead have to purchase through the Safari browser.

Looks like the Android version will keep in-app purchases because The Google doesn't have such a restriction on who pays for what, and where:
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In the new Android 3.6 upgrade we have a new comiXology in-app purchase system and a great new shopping cart, one of our most requested features. In the new app, customers may be prompted to update your payment information to continue purchasing books. This is a one-time action after which you can purchase inside the app."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 27, 2014, 09:39:04 PM
Google has the same policies, EXCEPT:

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1. where payment is primarily for physical goods or services (e.g., buying movie tickets, or buying a publication where the price also includes a hard copy subscription); or
2. where payment is for digital content or goods that may be consumed outside of the app itself (e.g., buying songs that can be played on other music players).

https://play.google.com/about/developer-content-policy.html
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 28, 2014, 07:53:41 AM
AFAIK Marvel Unlimited is always a year or two behind the current print-runs.  If that doesn't bother you, go for it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on April 28, 2014, 08:54:39 AM
6 months behind, so you get issues at about the same rate as trade paperbacks
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 01, 2014, 08:30:43 AM
Amazing Spider-Man #1  :zzz

Superior went out with a whimper and this is really no better.   :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 01, 2014, 01:31:32 PM
It's not the same old rut (right now), it's just that the way the fallout from everything that happened with Doc Ock-Spidey the past two years hasn't been handled as well it could have.   Peter Parker should be freaking the fuck out at having to deal with tons of changes made to his life, but instead is written more like "lol sorry 'bout that I was a dick before but I'm good now kthx!" and is taking everything way, way too well.  The book also has several back-up stories, dealing with the fallout happening to other characters, which are all handled much better....and were written by other people.
:dead

The biggest change to Spider-Man in general is only hinted at in the first issue- Slott retconned
spoiler (click to show/hide)
his origin and made it so that the radioactive spider also bit a female classmate after biting Peter.
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I still think things would have been way more interesting if they kept Doc Ock as the Superior Spider-Man and had Peter come back in a clone body or something.  Let the two clash for a while.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 01, 2014, 04:39:49 PM
Anyone on this board actually do comic book drawing?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 01, 2014, 10:47:07 PM
Dan Slott was told there was a movie coming out and they needed the AMay2ing Spider-Man back
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 05, 2014, 04:14:25 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFwOS2R9o_8

Pretty great short film by Bruce Timm.

Also, a good Bob Kane story, by Jim Steranko:
http://comicsalliance.com/jim-steranko-twitter-slap-bob-kane/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 05, 2014, 07:28:31 AM
that future's end 0 for fcbd was haliribad

it took me 4 times of actively sitting down to try to read it to get through it

it's so nu52 dc, which i have decided is the slipknot of comic book universes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 05, 2014, 07:46:20 AM
that future's end 0 for fcbd was haliribad

it took me 4 times of actively sitting down to try to read it to get through it

it's so nu52 dc, which i have decided is the slipknot of comic book universes

You're not amped for Days of Future Crisis, breh?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 05, 2014, 11:43:16 AM
I've had the first three trade paperback volumes of Warren Ellis' FREAKANGELS forever, and finally read through them over the past week. Tonight I read through the fourth and half of the fifth volumes tonight, as he still is offering them for free online. Story starts to go weird places, and I'm really enjoying the direction.

As for Paul Duffield... I don't think he was a very good artist when he started the series, but he has significantly improved by episode 90.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 05, 2014, 04:14:52 PM
Dan Slott was told there was a movie coming out and they needed the AMay2ing Spider-Man back

Don't see how Amazing Spider-Man #1 could get new readers-- you need to have read 30+ issues of previous comics to follow it. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 06, 2014, 11:27:33 AM
Dan Slott was told there was a movie coming out and they needed the AMay2ing Spider-Man back

yeah a friend of mine told me the same thing, apparently electro is in the comic and is now black too?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 06, 2014, 01:44:37 PM
Dan Slott was told there was a movie coming out and they needed the AMay2ing Spider-Man back

yeah a friend of mine told me the same thing, apparently electro is in the comic and is now black too?

He's not black.  ASM#1 had several back-up stories dealing with the fallout from Superior Spider-Man.  Electro's was that he was pissed off at Spider-Man for messing with his powers.   Didn't really feel like a big deal, unlike the Black Cat backup, where she ended up going to prison after getting caught after encountering SPock   (Ock decked her in the face and knocked out some teeth, too)  and was planning her revenge on Spider-Man, still unaware of what happened to him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 07, 2014, 05:40:34 AM
ah cool, like i said i haven't read it myself and am not really a comic reader but my friend did lend me some issues of superior foes of spiderman and i am loving it, genuinely funny and cool seeing shocker portrayed as a complete wuss, very different to his charater in the 90s cartoon
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 07, 2014, 07:31:21 AM
man, what a sad life, being the d-grade back-up to a villain who's b-grade on his best day.
cracked up when i saw boomerang try to
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2014, 12:27:21 AM
What's going on in Marvel town these days? I only follow X-factor and DC anymore.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 08, 2014, 04:53:03 AM
their original sin event has just kicked off where
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the watcher has been found murdered on the moon and had his eyes removed
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. other than that i have no clue
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2014, 06:13:20 AM
marvel's BIG books (avengers, x-men) don't really do it for me.  I just read the smaller books.  The success of Hawkeye has given Marvel an incentive to play around a bit with their B-tier characters so they're currently fairly interesting.

She-Hulk is damn near perfect for a She-Hulk book.  It's big and brash and colorful and a lot of fun.

Loki Agent of Asgard is really uneven.  The most recent issue was good but the two previous weren't that great, I don't feel.

Ghost Rider is strange.  It's using slang and stuff that's way out of date, but it's visually very well done.  It's def influenced by Fast and the Furious, but it's only had two issues so I can't really speak to it's quality just yet

Black Widow wasn't that great to start and it still falters here and there but it's entertaining if a bit po faced at times.

Captain America is p good.  I liked the Trapped in Dimension Z arc which opened the series, but the next two (with Nuke and Dr Mindbubble) haven't been as entertaining. Going to just wait for them to pop up on MU

Daredevil is wonderful, but now it's $4 so I'm not picking that up in single issues anymore. Will read on MU

Hulk is just disappointing.  I don't think that Waid has a good idea of what to do with him.

Mighty Avengers is very good but not great.  I think it suffers a bit being under the Avengers editorial line forcing it into cross overs rather than standing on its own

Ms Marvel is good, but I've read complaints of its stereotypical treatment of Muslims (but considering the previous treatment of Muslims in mainstream comics, this may be better)

Secret Avengers has only had two issues but it's nice and goofy just the way i like it.  Bromance between Coulson and Fury is fun. Not currently forced into continuity hell, but it may be at any moment

Superior Foes of Spider-Man is just wonderful but will probably be cancelled soon (which is a goddamn shame).  The past two issues have been fill ins and have been trash.





Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2014, 09:01:27 AM
Like Eric, Avengers has not been for me and I don't read any of the books except for the unrelated Mighty Avengers and Uncanny Avengers.  Would probably read Secret Avengers, but I can't stand the art.   That goes for stuff like Elektra as well.  The artist's work is beautiful, but just doesn't fit the book to me.

General musings:

-IIRC The Avengers and Secret Avengers books have been all about parallel worlds and how the multiple earths are crossing over into other universes, crashing into one another, and destroying everything.  The Secret Avengers (Illuminati) have been working to stop this.

-X-Men: All the books are all over the place, which is good in the sense that you can read one and not bother with another, without missing any story.  The best of the bunch is All-New X-Men, which while slow moving and very...Bendis, has turned out awesome.  They recently had a crossover event with the Guardians Of The Galaxy, where Jean Grey was taken by the Shiar and put on trial for being the Phoenix -again- even though she hasn't done any of that yet.  Young Cyclops then left the team to stay in space with the Star Jammers, which I believe is the focus of the new Cyclops solo book.  In the other X books...not too much is really happening.  It's like they've lost direction.  Oh, and Nightcrawler came back from the dead. 

-X-Force: The Cable and Psylocke-led X-Force books both ended and have been consolidated into one X-Force book with a new team (that still has Cable and Psylocke).  It's...weird.

-Guardians Of The Galaxy: Also feels like nothing is really happening with these guys, but they appear to be building up to something with Thanos for the umpteenth time.  Angela, who came into the Marvel Universe as a result of the rips in space-time from the Age Of Ultron event, is just a minor character and pretty irrelevant.  No idea why they made a big deal out of that character coming in.   The book started with Iron Man on the team, but he left and decided that there should always be an Avenger with them, so now it's Agent Venom (Flash Thompson) with them.  Captain Marvel is popping up too.  Her new book has a space focus.  Nova has been a surprisingly enjoyable read and is generally pretty self-contained. 

-Spider-Man: Already talked about it earlier.  Peter Parker is back and the big new plot twist is a retcon that show the radioactive spider biting a female student after Peter.  Spider-Man 2099 is still stuck in the present time and will be getting a new solo book soon.  Scarlet Spider no longer has a book but is in the new New Warriors series.

-Thunderbolts: Red Hulk and his assembled team doin' thangs in secret.  Has him, Deadpool, Elektra, The Punisher, Ghost Rider, and Red Leader (a resurrected and pussified Samuel Sterns, who recently has begun to turn on them).  Quality varies from story to story.

-Ultimate Comics: The Cataclysm event (616 universe Galactus merging with the Ultimate universe Galactus swarm and attempting to 'eat' the Earth) is over, with the fallout being that the Ultimates and Shield are no more.  Captain America is supposedly dead (died off panel, lol  ::)) and Thor is trapped in some void of nothingness with Galactus.  There are three new books: New Ultimates, which could also be called "Spider-Man and his amazing friends 2.0" as it continues storyline from the previous Ultimate Spidey book, and brings together a team of younger super heroes (Spider-Man, Kitty Pryde, Cloak & Dagger, Bombshell, and Black Widow, who is a renamed Spider-Woman [who uses the name Jessica Drew, but is a female clone of Peter Parker]).  Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man is a new Spidey solo book that just started this week.  The storyline focuses on two 'evil' Spider-Man like dudes causing trouble and ends with Miles coming home to his father's apartment and finding
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Peter Parker there, waiting for him.  Will likely be one of the two evil Spider-Men guys and/or is another evil clone.
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  There's also Ultimate FF, bringing together Iron Man, Sue Storm, The Falcon and I forget who the fourth member is, lol.

She-Hulk is damn near perfect for a She-Hulk book.  It's big and brash and colorful and a lot of fun.

Hate the art.  Dude draws some of the ugliest-looking faces I have ever seen.

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Ghost Rider is strange.  It's using slang and stuff that's way out of date, but it's visually very well done.  It's def influenced by Fast and the Furious, but it's only had two issues so I can't really speak to it's quality just yet

Yup, looks slick and other than that it's too early to tell how it's going to end up.  This appears to be a different spirit, since the Johnny Blaze Ghost Rider is in the Thunderbolts comics.

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Hulk is just disappointing.  I don't think that Waid has a good idea of what to do with him.

Are you talking about the new 'retardo' Hulk?  It's pretty bad, yeah.

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Mighty Avengers is very good but not great.  I think it suffers a bit being under the Avengers editorial line forcing it into cross overs rather than standing on its own

Will be better once they get Greg Land the fuck off that book.  Would also prefer they stick to everything being "street level."  Blue Marvel doesn't fit in with the rest of the characters in this regard.

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Ms Marvel is good, but I've read complaints of its stereotypical treatment of Muslims (but considering the previous treatment of Muslims in mainstream comics, this may be better)

Like Ghost Rider, it's too early to tell how this is going to turn out. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2014, 11:31:14 AM
The new Daredevil is amazing the last time I read it. I'm glad the quality is still up but 4 bucks? Why the fuck did they reboot Amazing Spidey?

It almost sounds like a good thing I've been avoiding Marvel for the past year plus.

I'm glad She-Hulk is good. I'll check it out.

What about non DC and Marvel comics? What's good there these days? Anything that is up to manga variety, Eric?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 08, 2014, 03:54:11 PM
I read a lot of Image titles as well right now

Alex + Ada is a very nice story about a man and his sexbot.  He's not into owning a docile slave (basically) so it's about that rather than what you'd expect a comic involving a sexbot to be about

Burn the Orphanage - started off as a 3 part series that paid homage to certain video games (first one was Streets of Rage / Final Fight, second  was Street Fighter, thrid was Mortal Kombat).   It's a lot of fun and a new 5 issue miniseries just started up but i haven't read anything of it yet

Fatale - Lovecraft Noir.  V problematic treatment of women but if you can get past that it's nice

Rat Queens - basically a drunk sassy fantasy book.  I absolutely love it.

Black Science - Anarchist Sliders w/ a huge twist at the end of the most recent issue.  I like it a lot.

Ghosted is dumb fun which is just sliding into dumb unfortunately.  was supposed to be limited but turned ongoing and i don't think the writer has any ideas that match the first 5 issues

pretty deadly - baroque insane mythic western.  beautiful art, incomprehensible story

rocket girl - present time teen girl cop goes back to the 1980s to take down a criminal who may be responsible for creating a Utopia.  kind of complex philosophically but it's more about Teen Girl Cop than it is about Sir Thomas More

Saga - complex family drama about aliens.  V GOOD.

Sheltered - survivalist kids become convinced the apocalypse is nigh, so they kill their parents and go into lock down.  it's about the drama of that social circle in the extreme circumstances they brought on themselves.

Southern Bastards just started, but I loved the writer's previous long form crime comics work in Scalped, so I'm in for this

the fuse - cop drama on a space station

Undertow - strange atlantean drama about courtly intrigue w/ a nemo figure who wants to destroy atlantis so that their species can advance

velvet - what if miss moneypenny from james bond were the bad ass secret agent?

zero - ales kott's amazing future-ish spy comic

and that's just the stuff i'm buying on the regular.  there's a ton more stuff out there from Image which is wildly different in tone and quality.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 08, 2014, 04:08:30 PM
The new Moon Knight is neat, 3 issues so far, all standalone.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 08, 2014, 04:56:25 PM
All New X-men good?.......

Don't know about that. Unless you think repeating the same crap over and over good.

I mean I'm going to have to disagree with the point of "nothing else happens in the other xbooks". Nothing is happening in All New. It is the same argument over and over again. The 05 are here and it's bad. That's it, the series has hardly moved past that. The series honestly only focuses on Jean with pretty much all the other characters in the background. Yet all it does with Jean is the same thing it's been doing for 20+ issues. All it does is keep showing teases of the Phoniex and how terrible Jeans life became. Even the Guardians Crossover did'nt do anything and the premise was stupid. Yes lets put Jean on trial even though: Jean was alive for years after DP and wait it wasn't jean. The entire series has honestly been flimsy excuses for anything that's happening. Thats fine, but the thing is nothing happens in All New. It's just spinning it's wheels on an idea that it has'nt done much with.

At least in Uncanny X-men you're getting actual new characters and not just young versions of characters where they can't even use the older ones well, let alone the young ones. The entire plotline with Shield, Mystique, and Cyclops is actually going somewhere. At least it feels like something is happening in the X verse.

X-men has been pretty disappointing. X-Force is just it's own crew doing something. X-Factor is the same. Uncanny Avengers dosen't feel like it's a part of anything, but it's all epic fun.

I'd say all are better then All New which dosen't feel like it does anything. It's the same conversations and developments over and over. I get it, the 05 may effect time(somehow). Jean's future is troubling(somehow). blah blah.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2014, 06:10:33 PM
Thanks for those Image comics suggestions, Eric. Will check them out and ignore Mahvel Baby aside from a few.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2014, 08:48:38 PM
Rahx, will respond to your post tomorrow when I'm not so tired.   :)

Forgot to mention Wolverine- Didn't read the previous series where this storyline began, but Logan has lost his healing factor and is now "killable."

This has led to a new solo series where it appears that Wolverine has become a bad guy and joined a team of baddies doin' bad thangs for a bad guy.  He has a suit of power armor to make up for his lack of a healing factor and pain from popping his claws now, which was designed for him by (Doc Ock) Spider-Man.

BUT WAIT!  It's all a ruse!  He's a good guy and he's GONE UNDERCOVER and HOLY SHIT THIS SUCKS.  The last Wolverine movie is long over with, Marvel- he's back to normal in the new one. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 08, 2014, 09:00:29 PM
I think Wolverine has been ok. Some of the issues of the previous Volume were actually decent.

I'll second Velvet, Saga, Fatale, and Pretty Deadly. I've also enjoyed Lazarus, East of West, and Nowhere Men from the Image line.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 09, 2014, 04:28:43 AM
Someone here mentioned a really good comic on Comixology recently, it was 99¢, and highly recommended... and now I can't find the link. Anyone remember what that comic was?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 09, 2014, 01:52:04 PM
Someone here mentioned a really good comic on Comixology recently, it was 99¢, and highly recommended... and now I can't find the link. Anyone remember what that comic was?

Brigade by Rob Liefeld.































 :teehee
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 09, 2014, 02:33:58 PM
All New X-men good?.......

Don't know about that. Unless you think repeating the same crap over and over good.

It was painfully slow to start, but has gotten better.  I like that they are having characters join/leave instead of always sticking with the same original five, too.

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I mean I'm going to have to disagree with the point of "nothing else happens in the other xbooks". Nothing is happening in All New. It is the same argument over and over again. The 05 are here and it's bad. That's it, the series has hardly moved past that.

You have them going over to Cyclops' side, young Cyclops going off with the Starjammers, a possible love triangle with young Cyke/Jean/X-23, Jean's new powers, and now the future "Brotherhood" returning to fight them.

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The series honestly only focuses on Jean with pretty much all the other characters in the background. Yet all it does with Jean is the same thing it's been doing for 20+ issues. All it does is keep showing teases of the Phoniex and how terrible Jeans life became. Even the Guardians Crossover did'nt do anything and the premise was stupid. Yes lets put Jean on trial even though: Jean was alive for years after DP and wait it wasn't jean. The entire series has honestly been flimsy excuses for anything that's happening. Thats fine, but the thing is nothing happens in All New. It's just spinning it's wheels on an idea that it has'nt done much with.

Agreed that them going after Jean to put her on trial like that was dumb, but the story itself was fun and resulted in a different/altered set of powers for her.  The focus is not just on Jean; Cyclops and Kitty also get a lot time.  There's definitely less focus on Beast, Iceman, and Angel though.  That's for sure.

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At least in Uncanny X-men you're getting actual new characters and not just young versions of characters where they can't even use the older ones well, let alone the young ones. The entire plotline with Shield, Mystique, and Cyclops is actually going somewhere. At least it feels like something is happening in the X verse.

It's not going anywhere and that's the problem.  The thing with Mystique taking over Madripoor has been going on for several years already.  The whole split between the Cyclops/Wolverine faction also no longer seems to make any sense and they've even teamed up several times already.

X-Men as a whole needs an overhaul.

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X-men has been pretty disappointing. X-Force is just it's own crew doing something. X-Factor is the same. Uncanny Avengers dosen't feel like it's a part of anything, but it's all epic fun.

The first X-Men storyline with the weird bacteria-chick was hard to get through.  New Lady Deathstrike-Latina chick-hyrbid woman making a new evil Sisterhood might turn out OK.  X-Factor is totally new.  I've only read the first issue and can't comment, but I really don't care much for Gambit in general.

Uncanny Avengers is the REAL X-Force, continuing from the previous series.  Totally self-contained and awesome.  Would definitely recommend.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 10, 2014, 02:46:15 AM
Woah. Green Arrow 17-28

:whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 11, 2014, 06:38:18 PM
http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/05/11/constantine-tv-series-trailer-released-online/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 12, 2014, 02:47:05 AM
Art in the recent Green Arrow comics is a mixed bag. Sometimes it is great (will post crazy double spread later) but most of the time it looks amateur.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 13, 2014, 01:35:54 PM
so comixology has the entire 52 thing for sale, any good?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2014, 01:47:42 PM
i liked it at the time, but a lot of the thrill was following it week to week
i dunno what it would be like if you binged it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2014, 02:51:19 PM
52 is a good read. I read through all four volume when the TPBs came out, and I enjoyed it.

Protip: Don't read the follow-up series, Countdown to Final Crisis, unless you just wanna laugh at how distinguished mentally-challenged it is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 13, 2014, 03:08:29 PM
you will need WW3 because it spins out of 52 and the series references it heavily
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 13, 2014, 06:25:56 PM
World War III doesn't come into play until late, somewhere around issue 48 or 49 iirc. If you make it that far, you'll definitely want to read WW3 tho.

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Since it's basically just 4 issues of Black Adam kicking the DCU's ass. If you just read 52, he goes down like a chump in just a few pages.
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The Question: Book of Blood follows up on a few plot threads from 52 also, if you want more of black, lesbian The Question.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 14, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
hmm maybe i'll just skip it for now. btw what's "marvel now"? a reboot?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on May 14, 2014, 12:41:42 PM
bascailly.

anything that is "marvel now" is a jumping on point.  same for all new marvel now etc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 14, 2014, 02:38:53 PM
All New Ghost Rider is pretty kewl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 14, 2014, 03:16:11 PM
Reading One Piece. Just finished Vol 11 / Arlong Park. Shit's gettin' real.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 15, 2014, 03:18:19 AM
You're at the part where it gets great. Before that, it's really good. But with Arlong Park, it gets fantastic.

And here's the kicker.

It gets better.

And better.

And better.

One Piece is so consistent in its quality, that I've been reading it for 11 years and only the recent arc has ever bored me and I'm going to be catching up on that soon.  You like One Piece now? Just you wait.

So glad you're reading the GOAT comic. :heart
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2014, 09:49:06 PM
Someone explain. In Action Comics they went from Superman being considered a menace to Metropolis without his full suit. Then in issue 5 suddenly they have him with a whole group of dudes that were NOT introduced, there's a flash forward NOT explained, he suddenly wears his full suit and just what the FUCK. I've gone through issues 4 and 5 three times now to see if I skipped pages and nothing. What the shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2014, 10:00:49 PM
WHAT IS GOING ON

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/206-comics-and-graphic-novels/64653469

This is why I prefer manga
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on May 17, 2014, 10:33:12 PM
Should have got Batman breh. Court of Owls and Death of the Family were pretty good.

Zero Year is kind of confusing but it's a prequel so whatevs.

Edit- Ah, Morrison did Action Comics? That explains it. Batman Inc was convoluted as fuck (and had a super weak conclusion.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 17, 2014, 10:57:26 PM
Okay. So from what I gather he and Rags went on a break. And Rags wanted to continue the first arc, so Grant decided to make a whole NEW arc that lasted three issues. They come out of nowhere. There's no explanation for them. Suddenly Superman is in one timeline, the next issue he's in a totally different unexplained timeline in the future. On issue 7, Rags is back on the team and they continue the original arc.

:what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 18, 2014, 12:58:02 PM
forgot i bought i next wave so have been binging through it today, pretty good so far but needs more dirk anger and portrayals of the better known marvel characters as twats
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 22, 2014, 09:36:20 PM
http://uproxx.com/gammasquad/2014/05/stan-lee-responds-to-david-goyer-she-hulk-comments/

Christ, Goyer is such a clueless douchebag.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 22, 2014, 09:45:00 PM
Copyright or not, She-Hulk is one of the best Marvel books going now. :obama
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 23, 2014, 01:38:01 PM
Typical green "Hulk Smash!" Hulk is pretty boring, yeah.  But it really depends on which Hulk incarnation it is that we're talking about.

I like the other Hulks more, though.  Red Hulk, Red She-Hulk, and even Lyra and Skaar and holy shit there's too many Hulks now.

Copyright or not, She-Hulk is one of the best Marvel books going now. :obama

Would like to read it but that art is just butt-ugly.   :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 23, 2014, 01:44:00 PM
comixology have a bunch of current x-men stuff on sale, i'm tempted to say fuck it and just buy the bundle since it's all new to me and nostalgia
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 23, 2014, 03:40:41 PM
comixology have a bunch of current x-men stuff on sale, i'm tempted to say fuck it and just buy the bundle since it's all new to me and nostalgia

most of it is probably on Marvel Unlimited which costs $6/mo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 23, 2014, 03:47:54 PM
Yeah, though Stan is fibbing (as usual) too.  She-Hulk was created for the same reason Spider-Woman/Spider-Girl/Supergirl/Superboy/etcetc were created: to secure a copyright.  Specifically there, CBS was looking to create a female spin-off of the Hulk TV series a la the Bionic Woman, which Marvel wouldn't have gotten a lick from.

I'm not going to say that every writer has treated She-Hulk respectfully (I think Chuck Austen had her fuck the Juggernaut for REASONS), but she's actually a pretty good female character by cape-comic standards.  In my personal opinion, she's a far better character than her cousin.

Another thing- Wasn't She-Hulk originally more "savage" like the Hulk was?  I thought the character didn't really get the personality that she has now until John Byrne came along and did her solo book in the late 80s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 23, 2014, 04:18:35 PM
comixology have a bunch of current x-men stuff on sale, i'm tempted to say fuck it and just buy the bundle since it's all new to me and nostalgia

most of it is probably on Marvel Unlimited which costs $6/mo

what's the selection like on there? any idea how the iOS app is?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 23, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
Hulk is fine provided he have a great storyline. I really think the next hulk film should adapt Planet Hulk.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on May 23, 2014, 07:11:27 PM
Hulk is fine provided he have a great storyline. I really think the next hulk film should adapt Planet Hulk.

good try but HULKMURO should really talk in all caps

HULK FINE PROVIDED HULK HAVE GREAT STORYLINE. HULK THINK NEXT HULK FILM SHOULD BE PLANET HULK.

(note: Planet Hulk is way more interesting as a concept than it was in execution...)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 23, 2014, 07:28:14 PM
Hulk is fine provided he have a great storyline. I really think the next hulk film should adapt Planet Hulk.

good try but HULKMURO should really talk in all caps

HULK FINE PROVIDED HULK HAVE GREAT STORYLINE. HULK THINK NEXT HULK FILM SHOULD BE PLANET HULK.

(note: Planet Hulk is way more interesting as a concept than it was in execution...)

:lol I'm sorry, I'm getting used to iOS autocorrect again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on May 27, 2014, 05:00:08 PM
seems like superior foes will get at least 16 issues and not end at 15 https://twitter.com/steve_lieber/status/468864766505934849
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 27, 2014, 07:33:46 PM
Comixology doing a free-comic-a-day thing for the next 19 days. Yesterday was a Batman comic, today is Magnus, Robot Fighter.

The promotion is the top banner on the front page.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 28, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
Re: Superman stuff.

I'm pretty behind on most of these books and just read the Krypton Returns storyline.  The ending made no sense to me.  Superboy saves Argo City from blowing up with Krypton and dies in the process.  Superman and Supergirl are just like "eh" and go back to their own time.  Except that this didn't happen in Suberboy's own comic, where he was in the future with the Teen Titans and HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE.  Now there is another Superboy, apparently evil, who has replaced him and come back from the future.  He's supposed to be different, yet looks exactly the same and has the same powers.
:dizzy

Now DC is doing the New 52 version of Doomsday.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 28, 2014, 03:28:44 PM
Re: Superman stuff.

I'm pretty behind on most of these books and just read the Krypton Returns storyline.  The ending made no sense to me.  Superboy saves Argo City from blowing up with Krypton and dies in the process.  Superman and Supergirl are just like "eh" and go back to their own time.  Except that this didn't happen in Suberboy's own comic, where he was in the future with the Teen Titans and HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE.  Now there is another Superboy, apparently evil, who has replaced him and come back from the future.  He's supposed to be different, yet looks exactly the same and has the same powers.
:dizzy

Maybe he punched the space-time-continuum really hard.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 01, 2014, 09:58:02 PM
Warren Ellis' Gravel is the free comic today on Comixology. If you were frightened off by the Tales of My Little Pony offering, as I was, it's safe to go back now.

Also, über on-topic:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/x-men_movies/x-men_days_of_future_past/news/?a=101096

Liefield! Shady business practices (sidelong Kickstarter dig), and comics-as-big-business.

Weird to think about Marvel/Disney being willing to cut off their nose to spite their face on this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 02, 2014, 12:27:24 AM
Seems to be less cutting off their noses to spite their face and more like taking a short term hit for a potential huge long term gain.  So they don't sell any X-Men toys or Fantastic Four comics for a while.  How much is that worth?  They split the toy revenues with Fox, and FF comics sell, like, five copies a month.  If they can weaken the IPs sufficiently for Fox to return them (or fork over full merch rights as with Sony/Spider-Man), that's worth a lot more.  If I were Marvel, I'd be undermining the *shit* out of those properties to try to get them back.

yeah, Marvel threatening to cancel Fantastic Four comic is the first time most people have remembered there's a Fantastic Four comic in 5+ years
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2014, 03:49:24 AM
:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2014, 06:44:41 AM
Yeah, it's amazing to see how far Marvel went on their own. I remember being so excited when X-Men didn't suck, and the Raimi Spider-Man didn't suck, and then I heard Marvel got the notion to start doing ALL their properties in house at "Marvel Studios," and I thought OH, HOLY FUCK. LOOK WHO GOT ALL FULL OF THEMSELVES, TOO BIG FOR THEIR BRITCHES. THIS IS GOING TO suuuuuuck.

...And then X-Men: Last Stand and Spider-Man 3 sucked instead.  :-\

...And then Marvel Studios' output all turned out great, so far. :hyper

I wonder if they'll make a Hulk movie with Ruffalo. I mean, they're playing fast and loose with his anger management ability, but I'd sure be willing to watch them try!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 06, 2014, 02:38:03 AM
So yeah, I think The Wake has been pretty disappointing. I don't think the story fit the 10 issue limited series format.

It dosen't help that they spent the first few issues set in the past. Well maybe it help to set up this mystery, because I guess it did. You do have a cool mystery of what these mers are. Add in the fact that they are clearly doing some dream scare shit and it's pretty engrossing. Yet, thats kind of dropped. The horror in the sea angle is dropped pretty quickly as it goes straight into action. While we still don't know exactly what the mers are I even feel the mystery tone has been dropped.

But it also hurts that a lot of the characters aren't developed in the past. You have a cool set-up with the main character Lee, some cliche "im'a single mother dialogue", but it's something. Yet it never goes anywhere. We get her character type and then the book does nothing with her. Some of her side characters like the gruff action dude who looks cool end up doing nothing. Mostly because they all die.

Then it goes into the future. The future is so cool with all this strange stuff like air ships and a flooded America. And quite honestly I don't think it does much. Like I really want to see the world that this story takes place in, but we never really explore it. Again, the story sets up cool characters and thier obvious character types, but it never does much.

There's this captain of this Mer ship with a robot arm. Obviously eccentric. Yet, we never get much of his character. The main character in the future part is a tough girl with a dolphin sidekick. Cool, but there's not much more to her then "tough". Cool looking roughneck dude is the number two enemy and roughneck is really only thing to describe him. The characters go on this journey and only mention the adventures they went on during it. They all seem cool and we don't see them. That is such a shame, because this flooded world just seems cool and you've only gotten a poorly cooked slice of it. I mean the enemies fly around on this big Stealth Bomber airship with an american flag paint job. It's crazy and we just get glimpses of this crazy without actually exploring it.

There's only one issue left and I guess it will be a big info dumb. I guess that will be nice, but man I really just wanted more stories with these potentially cool characters and world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 06, 2014, 12:52:19 PM
Re: Superman stuff.

I'm pretty behind on most of these books and just read the Krypton Returns storyline.  The ending made no sense to me.  Superboy saves Argo City from blowing up with Krypton and dies in the process.  Superman and Supergirl are just like "eh" and go back to their own time.  Except that this didn't happen in Suberboy's own comic, where he was in the future with the Teen Titans and HOW THE FUCK IS THAT POSSIBLE.  Now there is another Superboy, apparently evil, who has replaced him and come back from the future.  He's supposed to be different, yet looks exactly the same and has the same powers.
:dizzy

Maybe he punched the space-time-continuum really hard.

Found out that this really is a different Superboy and not some evil version-- the new Superboy is Jon Lane Kent, the son of Superman and Lois from an alternate reality future.  He has TK powers and super strength, but is in constant pain due to being a Kryptonian/human hybrid.  Was raised to be evil by some other baddie after they thought he died as a baby.  So, after getting sent to the future with the Teen Titans, the two Super...boys fight and the good one wins, impaling Jon on a rock. This is all technically part of the Forever Evil Storyline, since the Crime Syndicate is responsible for sending them to the alternate future.  But then after the fight, the good Superboy is teleported away, through space and time, to be a part of the completely-unrelated Krypton Returns storyline, where he ends up dying, and this makes zero sense since the events of Krypton Returns could not happen during Forever Evil.  Future beast boy and Deathstroke's daughter then send the evil Superboy back to the present with the Titans because who fucking knows why and this shit makes no sense.
 :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 06, 2014, 08:12:07 PM
Just go with the flow. :aah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 09, 2014, 08:03:03 AM
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 10, 2014, 02:13:40 AM
The next DC reboot will just straight up make Superman a killer.

Maybe a return to the black and long hair look for extra edginess.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on June 10, 2014, 02:17:18 AM
The next DC reboot will just straight up make Superman a killer.

Maybe a return to the black and long hair look for extra edginess.

Man of Steel was paving the way for the new reboot :ohhh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 10, 2014, 03:27:50 AM
No, it's a reference to how the New 52 reboot has made the comics gritty.

Come on!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on June 10, 2014, 03:33:40 AM
Have they? Seems like business as usual.

Haven't seen anything as "gritty" as the shit they pulled in Identity Crisis since the reboot, but I don't pick up all the books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on June 10, 2014, 04:20:40 AM
Have they? Seems like business as usual.

Haven't seen anything as "gritty" as the shit they pulled in Identity Crisis since the reboot, but I don't pick up all the books.

http://comicsalliance.com/dcs-futures-end-0-free-comic-book-day-2014-review/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on June 10, 2014, 04:37:45 AM
Have they? Seems like business as usual.

Haven't seen anything as "gritty" as the shit they pulled in Identity Crisis since the reboot, but I don't pick up all the books.

http://comicsalliance.com/dcs-futures-end-0-free-comic-book-day-2014-review/

Sounds like business as usual at DC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 11, 2014, 12:04:24 PM
Have they? Seems like business as usual.

Haven't seen anything as "gritty" as the shit they pulled in Identity Crisis since the reboot, but I don't pick up all the books.

http://comicsalliance.com/dcs-futures-end-0-free-comic-book-day-2014-review/

...And then Batman Beyond goes back in time -to what is still the future- one issue later and it's business as usual.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 11, 2014, 06:27:50 PM
Speaking of death-of-Superman, reboots, and faux-edginess, Marvel's current "THREE MONTHS TO DIE" effort, which I'm guessing is the death arc for Wolverine, really makes me sick at heart for the state of comics. When Superman was killed off, yeah, sure, we thought he might come back -- would probably come back -- but we didn't know how or why, and the "placeholder Supermen" who arose in his wake were at least interesting as an experiment.

Marvel pretending like they're going to kill Wolverine in anything other than a "WHAT IF..." storyline is so utterly money grubbing and disingenuous, it boggles my mind. They're not drumming up other interest in Wolverine, the character which is applied-like-a-stamp to other comics' covers just to increase reader interest. They're not going to whack the one superhero fans consistently flock toward.

It's just gross.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 18, 2014, 01:17:03 PM
Guess I don't need to bother with finishing Superboy-- DC is finishing it for me.  Canceled with #34, along with several other books.  All-Star Western has finally been canned.    :'(

World's Finest is also getting completely changed-up and will star Batman and Superman again.  Except that this won't be the New 52 Bats and Supes, but instead the Earth 2 versions.  BUT WAIT it's not the versions everyone knows either, because that would make sense!  See, in Earth 2 (which is a great read and everything is nice and self-contained) right now, Batman is actually
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Thomas Wayne, who takes drugs to give him super strength
[close]
and Superman is
spoiler (click to show/hide)
a bad guy, however there's another Kryptonian, a black guy, who looks to be taking his place.
[close]
  So instead, this will be a flashback series and will focus on the original Earth 2 characters before Darkseid came and killed everyone there.  Huntress and Power Girl, who are Earth 2 Robin and Supergirl, will be going back to Earth 2 and will be in the weekly series with everyone else.

Speaking of death-of-Superman, reboots, and faux-edginess, Marvel's current "THREE MONTHS TO DIE" effort, which I'm guessing is the death arc for Wolverine, really makes me sick at heart for the state of comics. When Superman was killed off, yeah, sure, we thought he might come back -- would probably come back -- but we didn't know how or why, and the "placeholder Supermen" who arose in his wake were at least interesting as an experiment.

Marvel pretending like they're going to kill Wolverine in anything other than a "WHAT IF..." storyline is so utterly money grubbing and disingenuous, it boggles my mind. They're not drumming up other interest in Wolverine, the character which is applied-like-a-stamp to other comics' covers just to increase reader interest. They're not going to whack the one superhero fans consistently flock toward.

It's just gross.

Nah, that arc is already over, although the current Wolverine story continues on from it.  They're way behind with what's going on the rest of the Marvel U and need to end this shit already.  Find something else to do with the character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 18, 2014, 02:26:57 PM
Oh, never mind.  I see there's a "Death Of Wolverine" mini-series being solicited for late summer/fall.  More bullshit leading towards like the 10th Wolverine #1 in four years!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on June 19, 2014, 01:32:37 AM
Oh, never mind.  I see there's a "Death Of Wolverine" mini-series being solicited for late summer/fall.  More bullshit leading towards like the 10th Wolverine #1 in four years!

Exactamundo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on June 19, 2014, 02:15:24 AM
(http://i.minus.com/iJbz6yVDWyKdm.gif)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PlwDbSYicM)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on June 23, 2014, 08:22:47 AM
Jean Grey is still dead.  Well, the original one. I mean you have the younger version now in the present and the future version which is probably the younger version just older and holy shit it doesn't matter never mind.

Even the original Captain Marvel was brought back for a bit.   :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on June 23, 2014, 07:35:21 PM
you all are probably already listening to it but my friend Rachel's podcast, Rachel and Miles X-Plain the X-Men, is bonkers awesome

http://www.rachelandmiles.com/xmen/?p=599

gone from "curiosity" to "must listen" in just 3 months

(http://ih2.redbubble.net/image.16613283.3101/fc,550x550,red.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on July 14, 2014, 01:43:22 PM
:drudge Bryan Lee O'Malley's folllow up to Scott Pilgrim: Seconds is out tomorrow.

http://www.amazon.com/Seconds-Graphic-Bryan-Lee-OMalley/dp/0345529375/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1405359664&sr=8-1&keywords=seconds

But my copy just arrived :smug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 15, 2014, 09:39:06 PM
so I guess everyone's gonna have that one odd issue of Thor in their collections

http://io9.com/marvels-new-thor-is-a-woman-1605307213
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 15, 2014, 11:27:50 PM
Why is Thor being a woman such a controversy? Wasn't Loki a woman for a while?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 15, 2014, 11:33:26 PM
Why is Thor being a woman such a controversy? Wasn't Loki a woman for a while?

Loki was a woman, plus there's been weird horse-face alien Thor, Thunderstrike Thor, X-Men Storm Thor, frog Thor, future Thor, some other woman Thor already, and more.

It's just another publicity stunt by Marvel.  Original Thor is still going to be there (wielding an axe) and will get his hammer back when the next Thor movie sequel comes out.  It's Superior Spider-Man all over again.

You know who I feel bad for?  The people handling Captain Marvel.  Shouldn't she be Marvel's Wonder Woman-class female instead of this new Thor?  Get the character into the movies already.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 15, 2014, 11:38:30 PM
Basically it's Supergirl/Batgirl/etc. type stuff that won't last like those. I don't see the hype or the outrage.

No, it is different in that she is actually going to be called "Thor, God of Thunder" and will be taking his place in the titular comic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Kara on July 16, 2014, 12:27:52 AM
"weird horse-face alien Thor" . . . show some god damn respect for Beta Ray Bill.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 16, 2014, 12:36:29 AM
Marvel's best female characters are all on the X-Men, so Marvel is kind of screwed for making movies with a female lead

Storm
Jean Grey
Kitty Pryde
Psylocke
Mystique
Emma Frost
Rogue

spoiler (click to show/hide)
...Jubilee and Dazzler
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 16, 2014, 12:43:32 AM
I was just saying no one gives a fuck about Thor in general unless it's a gimmick issue 
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Post by: Kara on July 16, 2014, 12:54:21 AM
I only read Journey into Mystery when it was a Sif comic and not a Thor comic. :heh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 16, 2014, 10:20:52 AM
nobody likes carol danvers, no matter how much marvel have tried to shove her down people's throats in the last ten to fifteen years.  she's a lame character with boring powers and a ridiculously convoluted past.  i'd even take bendis's pet spider-woman over carol if we're adding to the movie roster.  or, i dunno, wasp?

Any of them would fit in well.  I always wondered if the name alone prevented them from using Spider-Woman in the movies.

I like the former Ms. Marvel but her current writer, Kelly Sue-Whatever, makes the most boring stories.

"weird horse-face alien Thor" . . . show some god damn respect for Beta Ray Bill.

Wasn't sure if anyone knew who that was.  :P

Marvel's best female characters are all on the X-Men, so Marvel is kind of screwed for making movies with a female lead

Storm
Jean Grey
Kitty Pryde
Psylocke
Mystique
Emma Frost
Rogue

spoiler (click to show/hide)
...Jubilee and Dazzler
[close]

She-Hulk, mutha fuckaz  :punch :punch :punch

I was just saying no one gives a fuck about Thor in general unless it's a gimmick issue

Pretty much.  And all these multiple Thors and still nobody gets the right hair color.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 16, 2014, 12:24:34 PM
I like She-Hulk a lot, but to most people she just would appear to be a female version of a male super hero.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 16, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
I like She-Hulk a lot, but to most people she just would appear to be a female version of a male super hero.

She is written with a real personality, though.  A movie with super-powered lawyer antics would be fun.

Speaking of Hulks, I wish they would make the Marvel movie Hulk more intelligent already.  Would love to see the Avengers go looking for him, only to find that he's Mr. Fixit in Vegas.   :)

People keep wondering if there's going to be another Hulk movie.  What would be interesting is a series of movies either based on Planet Hulk (ending with World War Hulk?), or for something more grounded, a movie where the antagonist is the Red Hulk.  They could then introduce the other Hulks/Abominations accordingly.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on July 16, 2014, 01:34:17 PM
I hope this stupid ant man movie doesnt ruin Wasp
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 16, 2014, 01:36:04 PM
Is Wasp confirmed for the Ant-Man movie?  Guess that sort of makes sense.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 16, 2014, 01:51:32 PM
I looooooved Dan Jurgens' run on Thor.  That King of Asgard story was fucking epic.  :whew

Really liked Walt Simonson's run too.  For a while, Thor was the only reprieve from the same old cape bullshit.

I just meant sales-wise. The only time we ever sold more than the usual 5 copies was when there was a crossover. More people bought Thunder strike :lol

Quality-wise, yeah, there's been some great runs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 16, 2014, 02:02:00 PM
I looooooved Dan Jurgens' run on Thor.  That King of Asgard story was fucking epic.  :whew

Really liked Walt Simonson's run too.  For a while, Thor was the only reprieve from the same old cape bullshit.

I just read Jason Aarons' God Butcher run in Thor: God of Thunder and it is :rock as F.U.K.K.

Young Thor, Thor the Avenger, and King Thor in 893, present day, and 10,000,000 A.D.

It's on Marvel Unlimited - whole thing is 11 issues and very self-contained. Best Thor in years, highly recommended.

(http://www.agentsofguard.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/thorcovwraparound.jpg)

Plus, King Thor's granddaughters are awesome:

(http://33.media.tumblr.com/4cca4d3e48b43bc409015132ad60f41c/tumblr_mmo3toN4AR1r79t01o1_250.jpg)(http://33.media.tumblr.com/cddb50c100c7c5896bc3614600988fa8/tumblr_mmo3toN4AR1r79t01o2_250.jpg)(http://37.media.tumblr.com/05b62c060260e310d461f67ec1411e67/tumblr_mmo3toN4AR1r79t01o3_250.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 16, 2014, 05:10:48 PM
That read hair makes me wonder who their mother is. The only Asgardian with red hair I can think of is Volstagg the Voluminous. Did he get turned into a lady like every one else in Asgard seems to be?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 16, 2014, 06:39:12 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/10/supermans-editors-again-fail-to-remove-his-underwear/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 16, 2014, 09:54:33 PM
I hope this stupid ant man movie doesnt ruin Wasp
That would only be appropriate, considering how many times Hank Pym ruined Wasp herself.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 17, 2014, 09:47:12 AM
Here's a picture

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/bfwHiC0.jpg)
[close]

I hope they turn Iron Man gay next for the outrage trifecta.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 17, 2014, 11:19:57 AM
welll....they ARE sending him to San Francisco.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 17, 2014, 01:51:32 PM
And the storyline reason for this is that Captain America loses the super-solider serum keeping him young/strong...

...Which is exactly what Marvel just fucking did with Nick Fury in Original Sin.   :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 17, 2014, 01:52:48 PM
 :lol :lol :lol
(http://cdn.bleedingcool.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/s6-600x828.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Momo on July 17, 2014, 02:04:59 PM
They should have Professor X struggle with pedophilia for real edge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on July 17, 2014, 02:13:59 PM
They should have Professor X struggle with pedophilia for real edge

Dey already did dat doe

(http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345158e369e2010536aaeec6970c-450wi)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 17, 2014, 02:15:37 PM
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 17, 2014, 02:17:09 PM
welll....they ARE sending him to San Francisco.

Might as well do that.  I mean, which minorities are missing now?  Make Iron Man either Hispanic or Asian -or both- and gay!  $$$$$$$$
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 17, 2014, 05:38:35 PM
Pfft, they got a way to go to catch up to Green Lantern levels of diversity:

(http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/1/6/9/122169.jpg?v=1)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on July 17, 2014, 06:36:01 PM
They should have Professor X struggle with pedophilia for real edge

Dey already did dat doe

(http://comiccoverage.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345158e369e2010536aaeec6970c-450wi)

Yep and if i recall correctly it was one of the reasons Onslaught came into existence (a mixture of Magneto's and Xavier's darker natures taking form)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 17, 2014, 08:10:54 PM
All New Marvel Now group shot

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/xObr5ww.jpg)
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http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/07/17/marvel-announces-avengers-now-confirms-major-changes-for-captain/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2014, 08:39:14 PM
I just don't get the point of these changes if marvel isn't going to stick to them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on July 17, 2014, 08:57:45 PM
I just don't get the point of these changes if marvel isn't going to stick to them.

maybe they want to do something different than they've been doing for the past 60 years
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 20, 2014, 10:31:08 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/hdKProf.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on July 21, 2014, 06:50:27 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/marvel-reimagines-green-goblin-as-lefthanded,36507/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on July 21, 2014, 07:46:59 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 21, 2014, 09:56:11 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/marvel-reimagines-green-goblin-as-lefthanded,36507/
Quote
Reactions to the announcement have reportedly been mixed, with a number of readers praising the introduction of a more relatable figure, while others expressed frustration that the Marvel Universe still lacked an ambidextrous character.

:rofl

Could totally see people whining about that, too!   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2014, 10:06:39 PM
http://www.amazon.com/Batman-Complete-TV-Limited-Blu-ray/dp/B00LT1JHLW/

Someone, let me borrow $189. :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 22, 2014, 10:08:59 PM
 :comeon why do they let people post reviews for shit that isn't out yet
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 22, 2014, 10:14:58 PM
Amazon reviews are worthless for movies since they lump every Blu-Ray, DVD, and fucking VHS review all in together. So stupid.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: toku on July 22, 2014, 10:25:41 PM
You can look at the date breh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 27, 2014, 07:40:51 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/07/23/the-rather-surprising-fate-of-sabrina-the-teenage-witch/
http://herocomplex.latimes.com/comics/afterlife-with-archie-sabrina-the-teenage-witch-returns/#/0

 :o

"Dr. Lovecraft"... That's pretty surprising.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on July 27, 2014, 08:09:37 PM
Afterlife with Archie is really really good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 27, 2014, 08:22:42 PM
The pages they showed there looked seriously good, I'm stunned. I assumed the Archieverse was based in that Cherry-Poptart drawing style. ( :teehee )
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 27, 2014, 09:20:13 PM
You can look at the date breh.

These are reviews with titles like ”Blu Ray too expensive! "

Pretty sure they're talking about the box set
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Kara on July 27, 2014, 09:29:46 PM
http://www.theonion.com/articles/marvel-reimagines-green-goblin-as-lefthanded,36507/

There's a Sinister Six joke to be made, but I can't quite piece it together. :fbm

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Look up the etymology of sinister.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mandark on July 27, 2014, 10:53:49 PM
A pun?  How gauche.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Kara on July 27, 2014, 11:11:14 PM
A pun?  How gauche.

:mynicca
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 28, 2014, 06:52:05 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Biqi6Ep.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/4F1s4yz.jpg)

Weirdestboner.gif
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on July 28, 2014, 08:30:53 PM
http://www.nerdist.com/2014/07/wolverine-dies-and-the-hulk-goes-omega-at-the-marvel-panel/

Quote
Soule says that near the end of the miniseries, it was difficult to write the final sequence, with editor Nick Lowe adding that, after years and years of reading dozens of comic scripts, this was one of the rare ones that brought a tear to his eye.

:comeon
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 28, 2014, 08:47:00 PM
http://www.nerdist.com/2014/07/wolverine-dies-and-the-hulk-goes-omega-at-the-marvel-panel/

Quote
Soule says that near the end of the miniseries, it was difficult to write the final sequence, with editor Nick Lowe adding that, after years and years of reading dozens of comic scripts, this was one of the rare ones that brought a tear to his eye.

:comeon

Douche chills.  :stahp
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on July 29, 2014, 11:35:00 AM
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-07-29/richard-norris-amazing-transformation-after-facial-transplant-surgery/

I knew that Preacher's arseface was based on an actual person, but I didn't know the guy had been a shut-in, and has now had a face transplant.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on July 29, 2014, 01:27:38 PM
http://www.nerdist.com/2014/07/wolverine-dies-and-the-hulk-goes-omega-at-the-marvel-panel/

Quote
Soule says that near the end of the miniseries, it was difficult to write the final sequence, with editor Nick Lowe adding that, after years and years of reading dozens of comic scripts, this was one of the rare ones that brought a tear to his eye.

:comeon

LOL.  How long does he stay dead (again)?  Six months, tops?

Here's an idea- After Wolverine dies, suddenly there's four new Wolverines!   But then it turns out that they're just X-23, Sabretooth, Mystique, and Daken!  You could even give them new code names like "The clone," "The Eradicator," and "Steel!"  THIS HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE HIRE ME MARVEL!   :smug

Was going to roll my eyes at yet-another new Hulk, but it's just another persona so whatever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 01, 2014, 12:15:49 AM
I got that Marvel Netflix for 99 cents and so the first thing I jumped into, having not read anything Marvel in 20 years, was the "biggest crossover arc of the last decade", the Civil War storyline.  I figured I'd read the biggest and best of the post-2000 Marvel first to get something epic and satisfying.  I finished reading all the "road to the Civil War" comics from Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Avengers Special and am now reading the first few Civil War issues and I'm super bored and already feeling burnt out on "superhero" comics.

This whole thing just seems like an excuse to have all your favorite Marvel(tm) characters duke it out fighting game style.  The plot is really dull (Superhero Registration Act!) and there's not much character development so far.  I dunno, not feeling this at all.  Thinking about bailing and trying another series before giving up on modern Marvel.

I like comics like Y: The Last Man and Watchmen and stuff that is about story & characters.  I used to like X-men and superhero stuff as a kid, but now it just feels like it's written for 13 year old boys and is dumb, simple and ACTION.  Maybe I'm just reading the wrong series.  Will probably cancel Marvel Unlimited before the month ends, any recommendations that will change my opinion of post-2000 era Marvel comics?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on August 01, 2014, 01:06:29 AM
Read Ultimate Spider-Man, that is probably more your speed. Deals a lot with Peter Parker's home and school life.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 01, 2014, 01:53:50 AM
Read New X-men by Grant Morrison. Then Astonishing X-men by Joss Wheadon

X-Force/X-Statix by Peter Milligan.

NextWave by Warren Ellies

Uncanny X-Force by Rick Remmender

http://marvel.com/comics/series/9976/uncanny_x-force_2010_-_2012?byZone=marvel_site_zone&offset=0&byType=comic_series&dateStart=&dateEnd=&type=&orderBy=release_date+desc&byId=9976&limit=10&count=10&isDigital=1

http://marvel.com/comics/series/2281/new_x-men_2001_-_2004?byZone=marvel_site_zone&offset=18&byType=comic_series&dateStart=&dateEnd=&type=&orderBy=release_date+desc&byId=2281&limit=48&count=10&isDigital=1
Starts at 114.

http://marvel.com/comics/series/744/astonishing_x-men_2004_-_present?byZone=marvel_site_zone&offset=10&byType=comic_series&dateStart=&dateEnd=&type=&orderBy=release_date+desc&byId=744&limit=96&count=10&isDigital=1
Start at 1 till Giant Size.


Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 01, 2014, 07:53:50 AM
I got that Marvel Netflix for 99 cents and so the first thing I jumped into, having not read anything Marvel in 20 years, was the "biggest crossover arc of the last decade", the Civil War storyline.  I figured I'd read the biggest and best of the post-2000 Marvel first to get something epic and satisfying.  I finished reading all the "road to the Civil War" comics from Spiderman, Fantastic Four, Avengers Special and am now reading the first few Civil War issues and I'm super bored and already feeling burnt out on "superhero" comics.

This whole thing just seems like an excuse to have all your favorite Marvel(tm) characters duke it out fighting game style.  The plot is really dull (Superhero Registration Act!) and there's not much character development so far.  I dunno, not feeling this at all.  Thinking about bailing and trying another series before giving up on modern Marvel.

I like comics like Y: The Last Man and Watchmen and stuff that is about story & characters.  I used to like X-men and superhero stuff as a kid, but now it just feels like it's written for 13 year old boys and is dumb, simple and ACTION.  Maybe I'm just reading the wrong series.  Will probably cancel Marvel Unlimited before the month ends, any recommendations that will change my opinion of post-2000 era Marvel comics?

civil war is dumb as hell.  most event comics are the equiv of summer blockbusters; big, loud, and stupid.

check out Alias, Hawkeye (the recent series by Fraction), daredevil (anything by Bendis and up, don't start at issue 1 because those are by kevin smith and suck), Fraction and Alred's FF, Superior Foes of Spider-Man, Avengers Academy which leads to Avengers Arena (these are teen books, so you may hate them instantly), Rucka's Captain America and Wolverine and the X-Men (also a teen comic for the most part)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 01, 2014, 07:54:25 AM
NEXTWAVE AGENTS OF HATE should be the next thing you read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 01, 2014, 12:59:01 PM
read Nextwave, it's short and you'll love it

Civil War sucks, Avengers vs. X-Men sucks, Schism sucks, etc. NO WAY is the "best" in comics the huge dumb crossovers. Quite the absolute opposite.

Eric P's list is on-point. Read Morrison's New X-Men (114-154, read the New X-Men 2008 Annual after 119), then Whedon's Astonishing (1-26, then finish with Giant-Sized Astonishing X-Men)

But read Nextwave first as a palate cleanser
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 01, 2014, 01:01:18 PM
if you finish New X-Men and Astonishing X-Men and want more X-Men, the natural continuation in character and tone is Aaron's Wolverine & The X-Men, which is goofy and fun as hell (school hijinx)

Uncanny X-Force is done at this point - it's dark, but in a fun (?) way, not a mature/Christopher Nolan way. It's about the X-Men's Dirty Tricks squad and has a great cast (Wolverine, Fantomex (read the Morrison run first!), Psylocke, Deadpool, Archangel). The middle section is pretty Age of Apocalypse heavy, though, so you might want to read the Wikipedia entry for that depending on how well you remember it.

I STRONGLY recommend Thor: God of Thunder 1-11 by Aaron - :rock as fuck, self-contained and continuity light. Thor in several different time periods.

Young Avengers is all up but the last issue, which should go up next week. Fun pop-art comics starring teenage superheroes.

The Immortal Iron-Fist 1-14 is GREAT, basically a Mortal Kombat / Shaw Bros. movie set in Shangri La. READ THIS.

Hawkeye 1-12 are available and (as you might have heard?) absolutely superb, though that series is still ongoing

DON'T READ CROSSOVERS OMG
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 01, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
Here's how comic crossovers work:

1) they want to shake up the line to keep people interested so editors come up with some huge things they want to have happen to the characters (death, body swaps, team splits, whatever)
1b) it doesn't matter if it makes narrative sense, the important thing is to fuck everything up
2) there is a standalone series of 7 issues that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense and is usually running 4-6 weeks behind schedule
3) there are a lot of tie-in books that make a bit more sense but are boring
3b) previously enjoyable books are forced to drop everything to participate in the crossover, ruining their story and momentum
4) the crossover ends, the editorial fiat has been accomplished, and NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME
5) there's another crossover in 4 months
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 01, 2014, 01:08:34 PM
Thanks for the recommendations.  Yeah, gonna bail on Civil War and read some of that stuff instead.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 01, 2014, 01:12:03 PM
I JUST finished a re-read of New X-Men last night and it's still :rock
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 01, 2014, 01:19:04 PM
Young Avengers:

(http://www.adventuresinpoortaste.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/young3.jpg)

Thor: God of Thunder (:rock King Thor :rock at the end of time :rock)

(https://www.inter-comics.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/Thor-God-of-Thunder-2_04.jpg)

Nextwave:

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CfPoU_HgqsI/TV1rOnILzHI/AAAAAAAAAZA/T70uchQOs7U/s400/Nextwave-Aaron03.jpg)

Immortal Iron-Fist:

(https://dcomixologyssl.sslcs.cdngc.net/i/0917/1613/114289.jpg?h=e2fcf5afe91526ecd1695f7a31d0b94b)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 01, 2014, 01:21:57 PM
I'm going to disagree with Wolverine and the X-men being the natural thing to read after Astonishing and New. It's nothing like those two runs and is pretty horrible. It also takes a character introduced in those runs and shits on them. Completely missingthe point.

Mike Carey's run on X-men starts pretty fun with a reckless team read by Rogue. I don't actually remember when it starts. It does lead into Messiah Complex which is actually a pretty fun X-men event. Still, it is typical Superhero stuff.

New X-men, Hawkeye, Brubacker Marvel stuff(though not X-men) and Astonishing are a bit more then typical superhero stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 01, 2014, 01:25:19 PM
I'm going to disagree with Wolverine and the X-men being the natural thing to read after Astonishing and New. It's nothing like those two runs and is pretty horrible. It also takes a character introduced and those runs and shits on them. Completely running the point.

1) I agree that it's a different tone, I STRONGLY disagree it's horrible. if New X-Men is cosmic superthreats and Astonishing is pretty much the Avengers movie only with X-Men, Wolverine & the X-Men is a ground-level story of the next generation of mutants and school hijinx (I love school hijinx)
2) Aaron is on record that he loves the Morrison run (http://comicsalliance.com/jason-aaron-the-wolverine-and-the-x-men-exit-interview/) and he sees his work as the continuation of those stories, so comparing them is hardly off base
3) it's free, so Bebpo can decide for himself!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 01, 2014, 01:36:38 PM
Wolverine and the X-Men is great fun.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 01, 2014, 01:42:31 PM
Here's how comic crossovers work:

1) they want to shake up the line to keep people interested so editors come up with some huge things they want to have happen to the characters (death, body swaps, team splits, whatever)
1b) it doesn't matter if it makes narrative sense, the important thing is to fuck everything up
2) there is a standalone series of 7 issues that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense and is usually running 4-6 weeks behind schedule
3) there are a lot of tie-in books that make a bit more sense but are boring
3b) previously enjoyable books are forced to drop everything to participate in the crossover, ruining their story and momentum
4) the crossover ends, the editorial fiat has been accomplished, and NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME
5) there's another crossover in 4 months

Final Crisis, doe. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 01, 2014, 01:48:43 PM
Final Crisis, doe. :lawd

(http://images.sequart.org/images/Superman-Singing.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 01, 2014, 02:08:23 PM
Wolverine and the X-Men is great fun.

It is for the first half or so of the series, then the quality takes a nosedive, except for a five part Hellfire storyline towards the end, when some of the characters switch sides. 

That series is already over (ended with #42, IIRC) and they've now started over again.  Only read the first issue so not sure how it stacks up.


Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 01, 2014, 05:00:15 PM
Nextwave is pretty fun so far.  Like the art style and the writing.  Thanks for the suggestion.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 01, 2014, 10:46:37 PM
Yes, maybe "horrible" is a bit strong, but I just couldn't get into Wolvie and the X-men. Yes it's a bit more silly and I can see how that would mean fun for some people. I just didn't find it fun. The more silly school adventures aren't my thing. I haven't liked Quentin Quire in the book who to me comes off as an annoying prankster. Maybe thats the point, but I liked the his character in New X-men for Riot at Xaviers. This lovable prankster kind of betrays the very kind of tragic "smart teenager who goes crazily rebellious because in the end he's a dumb teenager" character arc in "Riot".

The Husk and Toad stuff wasn't funny to me. I liked Oya in whatever that Hope centric comic was named, but she comes off as a really dumb airhead in the comic. Eh I don't know I just don't like this take on the X-men. I don't need everything to be super serious and dark and gritty of course, but surprisingly I don't find a mutant shark girl funny. So the book just dosen't jive with me.

But if you want really good modern X-men. You must read New X-men. It holds up very well and feels even more modern then some of the stuff being written today.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 03, 2014, 03:36:14 AM
Halfway through Nextwave and it's good, but a bit hit or miss in the grand scheme of everything.  The art and writing is good, and sometimes its quite funny, especially when it pokes fun at the Marvel universe, but so far there's no real story and everything is silly to the point that it's all kind of a joke and fluff.  Enjoying it enough to keep reading, but it's no The Losers or anything.

Speaking of which I read Punisher Silent Night by Andy Diggle and that was pretty good. 


I think I'm looking for more single story arc, semi-serious titles with quality writing and characters.  Will check out some of the shorter ones recommended here after I finish Nextwave like The Thor Series, Hawkeye, Daredevil.


Oh and btw, is EVERYTHING under the Marvel category a superhero comic?  Do they not publisher stories about normal people that just happen to fall under the comic medium?  I guess Punisher is kind of close since he doesn't have super powers, but he's still a superhero.  Wondering if I can get some non-superhero mileage out of this Marvel Unlimited app.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on August 03, 2014, 12:00:34 PM
Here's how comic crossovers work:

1) they want to shake up the line to keep people interested so editors come up with some huge things they want to have happen to the characters (death, body swaps, team splits, whatever)
1b) it doesn't matter if it makes narrative sense, the important thing is to fuck everything up
2) there is a standalone series of 7 issues that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense and is usually running 4-6 weeks behind schedule
3) there are a lot of tie-in books that make a bit more sense but are boring
3b) previously enjoyable books are forced to drop everything to participate in the crossover, ruining their story and momentum
4) the crossover ends, the editorial fiat has been accomplished, and NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME
5) there's another crossover in 4 months

Final Crisis, doe. :lawd

Infinite Crisis > Final Crisis

Actually felt like a contained story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 03, 2014, 01:08:14 PM
Halfway through Nextwave and it's good, but a bit hit or miss in the grand scheme of everything.  The art and writing is good, and sometimes its quite funny, especially when it pokes fun at the Marvel universe, but so far there's no real story and everything is silly to the point that it's all kind of a joke and fluff.  Enjoying it enough to keep reading, but it's no The Losers or anything.

Speaking of which I read Punisher Silent Night by Andy Diggle and that was pretty good. 


I think I'm looking for more single story arc, semi-serious titles with quality writing and characters.  Will check out some of the shorter ones recommended here after I finish Nextwave like The Thor Series, Hawkeye, Daredevil.


Oh and btw, is EVERYTHING under the Marvel category a superhero comic?  Do they not publisher stories about normal people that just happen to fall under the comic medium?  I guess Punisher is kind of close since he doesn't have super powers, but he's still a superhero.  Wondering if I can get some non-superhero mileage out of this Marvel Unlimited app.

there might be some millie the model in there, but for the most part, Marvel is superheroes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 03, 2014, 04:29:39 PM
Bebpo, have you ever read any of Adam Warren's stuff?  You might like Empowered.  (Published by Dark Horse Comics)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 03, 2014, 06:44:06 PM
You could read Sentinel. It's about a normal kid who finds a giant robot basically. I don't remember it being very super heroish.

I'm surprised no one recommended Runaways either.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: WanderingWind on August 04, 2014, 03:36:56 AM
Are there any good Guardians of the Galaxy comics? I'd be interested in reading some after the awesomeness of that movie.

Since Exitar had a brief cameo in GotG, I'm wondering if the Celestials will show up in Avengers 4.

Not really, no. They're mostly shitty tryhard books. One run was semi-fun, but it was nothing like the movie. The movie being so good is probably because they took the broadstrokes of the comics and then just made everything actually entertaining.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 04, 2014, 09:52:35 AM
Are there any good Guardians of the Galaxy comics? I'd be interested in reading some after the awesomeness of that movie.

Since Exitar had a brief cameo in GotG, I'm wondering if the Celestials will show up in Avengers 4.

Not really, no. They're mostly shitty tryhard books. One run was semi-fun, but it was nothing like the movie. The movie being so good is probably because they took the broadstrokes of the comics and then just made everything actually entertaining.

I didn't read the previous series, but I've been enjoying the current run.  It's nothing like the old books were.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2014, 09:01:22 PM
So thinking about it, the Marvel Unlimited thing is a good deal if you haven't read many comics in a decade or two.  But it's probably something only good for a year, because, since you can blow through comics fairly quick, I'd wager in a year you could read every good series Marvel's published in the last 40 years.  So I definitely think I'll stick with it for a while, but I can see myself cancelling when I run out of series that people recommend.


I read Diggle's Hawkeye: Dark Reign 5-issue story about Bullseye that takes place during some story arc when he pretends to be Hawkeye and the arc is full of horrible murdering.  It was...ok, but felt a little out of context and the major subplots didn't resolve since it was a small story within a larger story taking place in the Marvel Universe at the time.


Taking the last few issues of Nextwave along with the first few Thor God of Thunder, Young Avengers and Immortal Iron Fist with me on my flight to Charleston tomorrow.  Probably gonna spend a chunk of the trip relaxing by the pool reading comics, so will get some good use out of this app.  Looking forward to it!

And yeah Guardians of the Galaxy was a pretty good movie and now I want to read comics about GotG and learn more about Nova Force. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2014, 09:02:27 PM
Also, this really makes me wish DC had a similar netflix sub type thing, because there's probably a lot of good DC stuff I'd like to read as I've enjoyed a few of the Batman graphic novels I've read over the years.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on August 07, 2014, 06:14:03 AM
i would be very interested in getting a DC Unlimited type thing if only for the bronze age stuff I missed out on because I was strictly a Marvel kid
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Shaka Khan on August 08, 2014, 04:30:34 AM
Damn. I can't believe I missed the boat on the $0.99 Unlimited coupon. That could have given me a good idea of how much the service matured. I have a few runs I'd like to check out, add to that the recommendations you guys gave Bebpo.

Has anyone used the Android phone app? That'll be my main way of reading if I ever sign up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 08, 2014, 09:47:52 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Wf81xb8.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Reb on August 08, 2014, 11:15:48 AM
I hate everything about that picture.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 08, 2014, 11:40:59 AM
Forgetting the part where Marvel cancels or reverts all those progressive changes/titles.

Yeah that gay wedding issue was terrible as well.




Still like Marvel and am happy that they've realized appearing progressive gets you on Time magazine.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on August 08, 2014, 11:45:19 AM
OK. And which one has Quesada and which one has Scott Snyder?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 08, 2014, 11:50:35 AM
Scarlett Johansson in skin-tight leather as a secondary character in a movie staring a white dude; it's so progressive, brehs. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Shaka Khan on August 08, 2014, 11:58:35 AM
(http://www.imgur.com/Qzoz3qk.jpeg)

This is why #weneedfeminism
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 08, 2014, 01:30:10 PM
Scarlett Johansson in skin-tight leather as a secondary character in a movie staring a white dude; it's so progressive, brehs. :lawd

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 08, 2014, 06:26:42 PM
I'm surprised no one recommended Runaways either.

Runaways S1 (1-12) is VERY good (a bunch of kids living in LA find out their parents are supervillains) and I give it a Strong Recommendation

characters are awesome, like Molly Hayes, who is like 9 and has Hulk-level strength

(http://www.rachelandmiles.com/xmen/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/princesspowerful.jpg)

or Gertrude, who doesn't have any superpowers but DOES have a pet velociraptor, and that's worth something, right?

(http://i653.photobucket.com/albums/uu252/Samguin_2009/Future%20cosplays/238438-27852-gertrude-yorkes.jpg)

stop there, though

just

stop there
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: cool breeze on August 09, 2014, 01:40:25 PM
So thinking about it, the Marvel Unlimited thing is a good deal if you haven't read many comics in a decade or two.  But it's probably something only good for a year, because, since you can blow through comics fairly quick, I'd wager in a year you could read every good series Marvel's published in the last 40 years.  So I definitely think I'll stick with it for a while, but I can see myself cancelling when I run out of series that people recommend.

yeah, it's nice to read stuff I normally wouldn't/didn't and catch up on some stuff.  when it comes to buying stuff on comixology or w/e there's only a handful of stuff I follow.  so jumping into all the cosmic stuff is fresh and entertaining.  downside to the service is that the marvel reader apps aren't great.

and reading Avengers vs X-Men reminded me why I stopped bothering with those types of crossovers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 15, 2014, 12:37:01 PM
Here's how comic crossovers work:

1) they want to shake up the line to keep people interested so editors come up with some huge things they want to have happen to the characters (death, body swaps, team splits, whatever)
1b) it doesn't matter if it makes narrative sense, the important thing is to fuck everything up
2) there is a standalone series of 7 issues that makes ABSOLUTELY no sense and is usually running 4-6 weeks behind schedule
3) there are a lot of tie-in books that make a bit more sense but are boring
3b) previously enjoyable books are forced to drop everything to participate in the crossover, ruining their story and momentum
4) the crossover ends, the editorial fiat has been accomplished, and NOTHING WILL EVER BE THE SAME
5) there's another crossover in 4 months

Final Crisis, doe. :lawd

Infinite Crisis > Final Crisis

Actually felt like a contained story.

Maybe it's time for a read thru.

(http://i.imgur.com/dRgqSso.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2014, 11:59:58 PM
So I finished some comics!

Nextwave:  Fun, good art, some really witty writing and kind of fun how it pokes jokes at the Marvel Universe.  Doesn't have much of a story and by the time it finishes it feels like the intro arc of what could've been a great series but...there's no more!  B+ 

Favorite part was:
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The section where everyone was calling the robot dude a shit (#!$^) and he's like 'Man, I'm so badass I even hung out with the Celestials for a while! 

And then it flashes back to him surrounded by Celestials and they're like 'sorry dude, you need to go' and he's like "why something something' and they're like 'well...you're kind of a shit'  :lol  That was amazing.
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Thor: God of Thunder 1-11 arc:  This started AMAZING and the art was incredible throughout.  Really cool writing with the three time periods and versions of Thor and the story about Gorr the God Butcher started incredibly interesting.  The writing falls from Games of Thrones to Marvel Summer Movies about halfway but it's still very entertaining popcorn action and the art is just damn good.  A-

I felt it went down a notch around halfway (spoilers): 
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When they did Gorr's backstory and instead of being interesting it was just a generic OH MY LIFE WAS UNFORTUNATE AND SUCKED AND THE GODS DIDN'T HELP SO I FOUND AN ULTIMATE WEAPON AND NOW I'M GONNA KILL THEM ALL.  Then the Thor's team up and it's just summer blockbuster "let's kick ass with Thor power to save the day!"; was way more interesting in the opening arc when it was about a mysterious serial killer that's been going around eliminating gods for hundreds of years and no one's really noticed and the repercussions on their planets and universes.  That was a real interesting setup.
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Old Man Logan:  My friend who is not into high brow comics recommended me this Mark Miller comic as "really great!"  lol  It was soooooooooooooooooooooooooo trashy, jeez.  Was it entertaining on a super dumb popcorn level?  Sure.  But it was just embarrassingly trashy.  Not a fan of Mark Miller.  C-  Also, apparently in like a lot of comics in the last 20 years Hulk has become more of an antagonist?  (Planet Hulk/WW Hulk/Old Man Logan).  I swear back when I was reading comics and watching the Hulk tv show and playing the Hulk text adventure he was a hero guy.  Is there some "breaking point" where Hulk goes bad in the Marvel universe?

Runaways S1 1-18:  Started off ok, a little too kiddy, towards the middle the group dynamic kept it enjoyable and in the last few issues the plot kicked in and it paid off satisfyingly.  1-18 Was a surprisingly good complete origin story.  I hear it goes downhill after it changes writers in S2+ so I'll pass on reading anymore, but I enjoyed it.  As the 2nd thing I've read written by Brian K. Vaughn though (other one being Y: The Last Man which was superb), it wasn't really the same level of awesome, but it had some good parts.  The art was kind of just ok too.  B+

Punisher Warzone:  Enjoyable little popcorn story.  I enjoy reading Punisher arcs because it's basically Batman but he kills everyone.  Punisher looked really weird in this design, but I dug it.  B

Young Avengers (2013):  Didn't enjoy this too much starting out.  The art was stylish and modern pop, which was cool.  But I had no clue who these characters were and why they looked sorta like other character (Hulking), (little Loki) (fake Captain America at one point), also the entire story run being about EVIL DIMENSIONAL MOM PARASITE was just super lame.  However, it ended up being a good story and the characters really grew on me.  Loki is SUCH A GOOD CHARACTER in this one.  He steals the entire show and I really, really like his character here.  Ended nice and bittersweet too.  As I mention below I'm going to read the original run of Young Avengers so I can see their origin story which will add a lot to this one.  PS, for some reason Marvel Unlimited does not carry a digital version of the final issue (it's not a time exclusive thing) which was rather annoying, but I was still able to read it elsewhere and finish the thing.  A-


Now I'm currently about halfway through The Immortal Iron First (2006-2009) and enjoying it for the great art and Mortal Kombat story like Treesong said.  After I finish that I'm gonna finally read something LONG and read the Morrison arc of New X-men, Whedon's Astonishing X-men, and Uncanny X-Force.  I'm probably also going to read the first run of Young Avengers because as I mentioned jumping into the 2013 run was a little confusing and I'd like to see the origin of these characters even if it's not that great of a manga.

Also planning on reading Bendis' Daredevil (I read his first one and so.much.text, but I liked the abstract art style and it seemed interesting), the recent 2012 Hawkeye, Superior Foes of Spiderman, Avengers Academy.

Eventually after I get through all that stuff, what are some good arcs to read of characters I'm interested in:  Iron Man, Spiderman, Fantastic Four (never read any FF, would like a cool Dr. Doom arc), Ghost Rider (never read GR either and would like to read a good art because I like the character design and Mephisto in MvC2 looked awesome), and maybe Captain America.  I want to check out Inhumans because I keep seeing Black Bolt show up in other comics and I heard the "War of Kings" arc is a good arc to get an idea of them.  Also I have no idea who the Skrull and Kree aliens are but they keep showing up in stuff which makes me want to read some arc about them so I can get more out of them in the Marvel Universe.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bluemax on August 21, 2014, 12:08:28 AM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--qt_hHAoh--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/ep2ufgh7axstfof1bvex.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2014, 12:36:59 AM
what's with her butt cheeks

it's like she's letting one rip riiiiiight before she goes fight the bad guys so they don't spread any nasty rumors
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2014, 12:38:11 AM
No, I'm convinced she's farting. I hear the,"pooootmn" already.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on August 21, 2014, 12:50:46 AM
The artist probably traced over porn, some people do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ykRuRWcsfE
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bluemax on August 21, 2014, 02:32:05 AM
The artist probably traced over porn, some people do that.

Actually the artist is a renowned erotic pictures drawer guy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milo_Manara

His wiki page has a NSFW image of a half naked woman in the exact same pose as Spider-Woman. So yeah.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 21, 2014, 02:53:40 AM
Not a fan of Mark Miller.

:heartbeat

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Millar
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 21, 2014, 03:50:59 AM
This is'nt the first time he's done Marvel stuff either.

http://mognetcentral.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/uxforce2013005_dc31_lr_5d6b4.jpg
http://comics.imakinarium.net/notis/2009/11/091112_milo_manara_x_men/milo_manara_x_men_c.jpg
https://comicreadings.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/uncanny-x-men-12-milo-manara-variant.jpg
http://www.comiclist.com/media/blogs/news/UncannyAvengers_2_VariantManara.jpg
http://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/9/40/52bca96b81b73/background.jpg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 21, 2014, 04:19:11 AM
Well, he's consistent.

I'd blame the editors if nothing else; I love Manara's work, but I know what I'm getting when I pick up a Manara book. A twitter friend said it best: "Hey, I'm all for erotic artwork, I just don't think it needs to be on the cover of a superhero comic."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: WanderingWind on August 21, 2014, 04:38:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Wf81xb8.png)

I haven't bought a single DC book since they pulled that shit with Batwoman. It was my favorite book of like, all time, and you can check my posts about it on GAF way before any drama came up. Shit, I've read comics for 3 decades and  that was the only time I ever wrote in about something. Got a short, but pleasant response from Williams.

#ForeverSalty
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 21, 2014, 07:33:42 AM
No it shouldn't be on the cover of a superhero book. Especially on the cover of a female super hero comic by a company trying to push thier female characters in a more "positive" light.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 21, 2014, 08:01:30 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Wf81xb8.png)

I haven't bought a single DC book since they pulled that shit with Batwoman. It was my favorite book of like, all time, and you can check my posts about it on GAF way before any drama came up. Shit, I've read comics for 3 decades and  that was the only time I ever wrote in about something. Got a short, but pleasant response from Williams.

#ForeverSalty

It is always nice when a creator writes back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on August 21, 2014, 08:09:40 AM
Spider-Man has been drawn in the same pose as Spider-Woman has on that cover before.

My problem with that cover is that it just sucks.  It's ugly as fuck.  There's some crazy detail on her back area, but the art overall is not pleasant to look at.  I agree that Manara should just stick to drawing porn.  The X-Women comic he drew several years ago was terrible.  Just doesn't fit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on August 21, 2014, 09:11:41 AM
As we're talking about the amazing Manara, I'd like to push you guys in the direction of the Manara Library collections Dark Horse has been putting out for some years now:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Manara-Library-Volume-Stories/dp/159582782X/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1408626473&sr=8-2&keywords=manara+library

They're very nice.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 21, 2014, 09:34:52 AM
It's also been stated by a feminist friend, rightly, that when a man splays his legs and presents his junk, it's a display of power; conversely, when a woman spreads her legs, it is a show of submission.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 21, 2014, 04:01:01 PM
Young Avengers (2013):  Didn't enjoy this too much starting out.  The art was stylish and modern pop, which was cool.  But I had no clue who these characters were and why they looked sorta like other character (Hulking), (little Loki) (fake Captain America at one point), also the entire story run being about EVIL DIMENSIONAL MOM PARASITE was just super lame.  However, it ended up being a good story and the characters really grew on me.  Loki is SUCH A GOOD CHARACTER in this one.  He steals the entire show and I really, really like his character here.  Ended nice and bittersweet too.  As I mention below I'm going to read the original run of Young Avengers so I can see their origin story which will add a lot to this one.  PS, for some reason Marvel Unlimited does not carry a digital version of the final issue (it's not a time exclusive thing) which was rather annoying, but I was still able to read it elsewhere and finish the thing.  A-

Now I'm currently about halfway through The Immortal Iron First (2006-2009) and enjoying it for the great art and Mortal Kombat story like Treesong said.  After I finish that I'm gonna finally read something LONG and read the Morrison arc of New X-men, Whedon's Astonishing X-men, and Uncanny X-Force.  I'm probably also going to read the first run of Young Avengers because as I mentioned jumping into the 2013 run was a little confusing and I'd like to see the origin of these characters even if it's not that great of a manga.

Eventually after I get through all that stuff, what are some good arcs to read of characters I'm interested in:  Iron Man, Spiderman, Fantastic Four (never read any FF, would like a cool Dr. Doom arc), Ghost Rider (never read GR either and would like to read a good art because I like the character design and Mephisto in MvC2 looked awesome), and maybe Captain America.  I want to check out Inhumans because I keep seeing Black Bolt show up in other comics and I heard the "War of Kings" arc is a good arc to get an idea of them.  Also I have no idea who the Skrull and Kree aliens are but they keep showing up in stuff which makes me want to read some arc about them so I can get more out of them in the Marvel Universe.

Iron Man: Read Ellis' Extremis
Fantastic Four: I liked Hickman's arc. Some people swear by the Waid run but it felt extremely 90s to me (in art and writing).
Ghost Rider, Inhumans: Can't say for sure
Skrull and Kree: Track down the original Skrull-Kree war series (it should be under Events in the Marvel Unlimited app) for a good primer

Kid Loki is awesome. I really liked Gillen's Journey Into Mystery (where Kid Loki is introduced). Here's a good reading list (http://journey-into-mystery.tumblr.com/post/30097993112/kidlokiguide):

Journey into Mystery 622-636
Exiled 1
Journey into Mystery 637
New Mutants 42
Journey into Mystery 638
New Mutants 43
Journey into Mystery 639-641
The Mighty Thor 18
Journey into Mystery 642
The Mighty Thor 19
Journey into Mystery 643
The Mighty Thor 20
Journey into Mystery 644
The Mighty Thor 21
Journey into Mystery 645
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: WanderingWind on August 22, 2014, 04:04:48 AM
It's also been stated by a feminist friend, rightly, that when a man splays his legs and presents his junk, it's a display of power; conversely, when a woman spreads her legs, it is a show of submission.

Lol. Of all the dumb things Tumblr says, this is among my favorite.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 22, 2014, 04:30:30 AM
It's also been stated by a feminist friend, rightly, that when a man splays his legs and presents his junk, it's a display of power; conversely, when a woman spreads her legs, it is a show of submission.

Lol. Of all the dumb things Tumblr says, this is among my favorite.

Why so dismissive?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: WanderingWind on August 22, 2014, 05:26:28 AM
It's also been stated by a feminist friend, rightly, that when a man splays his legs and presents his junk, it's a display of power; conversely, when a woman spreads her legs, it is a show of submission.

Lol. Of all the dumb things Tumblr says, this is among my favorite.

Why so dismissive?

Nah.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 22, 2014, 06:42:36 PM
It's also been stated by a feminist friend, rightly, that when a man splays his legs and presents his junk, it's a display of power; conversely, when a woman spreads her legs, it is a show of submission.

Lol. Of all the dumb things Tumblr says, this is among my favorite.

Why so dismissive?

Nah.

:goty2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 25, 2014, 06:33:41 AM
Maybe you should also check out Nemesis by Mark Millar.

But really Sleeper would be a good choice.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on August 25, 2014, 09:53:34 AM
Oh, Sleeper. I really like what I've read from that. Nice blend of noir, undercover/spy work, and four-color super villains.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: EvilLore Killah on August 25, 2014, 12:30:13 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Wf81xb8.png)

This is why I haven't bought a comic in 4-6 years.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on August 27, 2014, 04:11:00 AM
Read through the 2nd main arc in Immortal Iron Fist (#15-20 I think about dragon dude) after the initial tournament arc.  Was damn good.  The first arc was cool but it got kind of rushed and changed focus after the tournament started.  Now the further arcs using the existing base the opening arc set up...this is a lot of fun.  The one-shots have been alright too, liked Orson Rand vs. Death Queen of California.  This 2006-2009 version is a good, nice meaty franchise.  Looking forward to the last few arcs and the Immortal Weapons spin-off.  John Amon Prince of Orphans is f'ing cool.  And Danny Rand/Iron Fist is pretty boss too when he has his shit together.  Good cast.

Also, after I finish this series gonna need to play some UMvC3 and kick some ass as Iron Fist.  Cool that there's a Netflix Iron Fist TV show coming one day, gonna look forward to that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: WanderingWind on August 27, 2014, 04:50:18 AM
Read through the 2nd main arc in Immortal Iron Fist (#15-20 I think about dragon dude) after the initial tournament arc.  Was damn good.  The first arc was cool but it got kind of rushed and changed focus after the tournament started.  Now the further arcs using the existing base the opening arc set up...this is a lot of fun.  The one-shots have been alright too, liked Orson Rand vs. Death Queen of California.  This 2006-2009 version is a good, nice meaty franchise.  Looking forward to the last few arcs and the Immortal Weapons spin-off.  John Amon Prince of Orphans is f'ing cool.  And Danny Rand/Iron Fist is pretty boss too when he has his shit together.  Good cast.

Also, after I finish this series gonna need to play some UMvC3 and kick some ass as Iron Fist.  Cool that there's a Netflix Iron Fist TV show coming one day, gonna look forward to that.

Iron Fist, Cap'n Shield Slash and Sentinel fo' life.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: StealthFan on August 29, 2014, 08:33:40 PM
Oh, Sleeper. I really like what I've read from that. Nice blend of noir, undercover/spy work, and four-color super villains.
The first run of Sleeper owned. I never got into the second one. My name was Agent Carver on forums as a teenager.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on September 01, 2014, 04:54:24 AM
Oh, Sleeper. I really like what I've read from that. Nice blend of noir, undercover/spy work, and four-color super villains.
The first run of Sleeper owned. I never got into the second one. My name was Agent Carver on forums as a teenager.

I'm not sure which "run" you're referring to; I own the first two trade paperbacks, and they were great... I'm guessing that's the first run? I can't remember if it finished. TIME FOR A RE-READ.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 02, 2014, 11:11:55 AM
That doesn't happen, Awesome-O.  The story is pretty much like Terminator in that it's all about time travel.  Look forward to WOLVERINE WOLVERINE AND WOLVERINE going to the past to fuck shit up with his buddy, Sue Storm.

The event itself is pretty much pointless garbage...literally the last few pages of the last issue are the only thing that matters.

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All it did was set up "holes" in the universe for characters from other realities to come into the 616 universe and vice versa-- Angela, from Image/Spawn is now part of the Marvel U and Galactus went to the Ultimate universe. 
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The former has had no impact whatsoever (they put her in Guardians Of The Galaxy) and the latter was part of an Ultimate event that resulted in a shake-up and multiple canceled books.  I think the current Avengers/New Avengers storyline regarding multiple earths crashing into each other is also a result of this, but I'm not sure since it's been so boring up until recently, so I didn't read a good chunk of it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 02, 2014, 12:29:56 PM
The plot is so convoluted and fucked-up that I can't see them making a movie out of it...they can't really adapt it anyway, since they don't have the majority of the characters available to use.  If they just go with "Ultron comes and fucks up shit/enslaves humanity, Avengers time travel to stop him" it will be fine, though.

Marvel's recent 'event' books have all been pretty weak, IMO.  They are clearly being done just to set up the next storyline and come off as pointless in the end.  Original Sin has also been kind of a snoozer, although it's at least better than Ultron was-

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D-list villains kill the Watcher and steal his eyes.  The eyes' power is then unleashed and reveals secrets about various characters to all the heroes.  To get everything, you have to read the various characters' own books AND mini-series tied to them.  In the main book, various characters band together to find out who killed the Watcher.  We then find out, in a tie-in to the still-unfinished S.H.I.E.L.D mini series, regarding its history, that (white) Nick Fury has been the guardian of Earth for years, and is old and feeble-- life model decoys have been used in his place.  And it's currently dragging on and needs to end already.
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I like Marvel, but the direction they've been taking some of their teams (mainly the Avengers) in has just been horrible.  X-Men has been better recently.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on September 02, 2014, 07:11:47 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/xEZknPO.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2014, 09:34:11 PM
Magott with the Power of Love. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 04, 2014, 10:50:23 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB6TiRJNI-Q
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 05, 2014, 08:21:22 AM
Marvel's Original Sin event is over.

In summary:
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(White) Nick Fury killed the Watcher, because reasons.  The Winter Soldier (Bucky) takes his place as "The Man On The Wall," AKA the guy who secretly hangs out in outer space and kills incoming alien threats.  The Watcher appears to have been replaced not by another Watcher, but instead by old man Fury, who everyone thought was dead after the event.  And D-list villain The Eye has one of the Watcher's all-knowing eyes embedded in his body and goes to watch a woman murder a guy who was abusing her. 
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In short...what the fuck? 
:what

And that will lead into some of the heroes getting replaced.  Thor has already lost his hammer for reasons we don't know.  Old man Fury said something to him that made him lose it.

Meanwhile, over at DC, they're doing "Future's End" one-shots for almost all their books this month.  The setting is only five years into the future but everything is fucked up.  Am going to assume that various events make this future never happen.  The weekly book is a fun read, but we really didn't need an entire month's worth of material dedicated to it.
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Post by: Eric P on September 05, 2014, 09:22:10 AM
the Grayson Future's End issue is worth reading.
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Post by: Dickie Dee on September 05, 2014, 09:40:20 AM
Are any of the stories that lead into Superior Spiderman worthwhile/helpful to read? Can I just jump right in? (I'm aware it's Doc Ock. in PP's body, does it just take that premise and run with it, or is it part of a greater arc?)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on September 16, 2014, 07:28:07 PM
http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/multimedia/meet-the-somalis

I know this thread tends toward capes and away from webcomics, but this is pretty neat.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 18, 2014, 10:34:37 AM
Are any of the stories that lead into Superior Spiderman worthwhile/helpful to read? Can I just jump right in? (I'm aware it's Doc Ock. in PP's body, does it just take that premise and run with it, or is it part of a greater arc?)

I thought I replied to this...but there's no post.  Weird.  You don't have to read the other stuff before it, but the whole Superior arc starts in Amazing Spider-Man #698, so you'll want to read that plus ASM #699 and #700 before Superior.

Similarly, Superior ends at #31 and then goes right into the new ASM series, which has Peter dealing with all the fallout from what happened in Superior, plus introduces Spider-Woman Silk, a retcon character who was also bitten by a radioactive spider when Peter was, but was hidden away for years before Spider-Man finds her.   Am betting that she is either going to get killed off or turned into a villain.

There's also the Spider-Man 2099 series, which is a spin-off from Superior and also something you wouldn't want to read until finishing Superior up. 

And then there's the "Spiderverse" event, which takes place during the time when Doc Ock was Spider-Man and has him reality-hopping to save multiverse Spider-Men from doom.  That's just recently started.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on September 22, 2014, 02:38:07 PM
Morrison New X-men #114-156

Well, as someone coming from the old early 90s X-men and the latest X-men movies...that was weird.  Was pretty confusing at first since it opens with

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Killing half the population with super sentinels out of nowhere and no resistance over like 4 pages.
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The run was a slow burn for me.  I wasn't that familiar with these characters and really didn't care for the first arc with Cassandra Nova who was a pretty boring supervilian.  Some of the weird short arcs jumped around A LOT very quickly.  Then Xorn showed up and it got better and then Fantomex showed up and it got even better.  The 2nd half of the run got a lot better and at some point I realized the Morrison run is basically a 3-4 season TV show with the first few seasons being self-contained stories and then the latter half pulling everything all together.  By the time

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Magneto showed up
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It was definitely a page turner.  But I didn't really care for the

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OMG it was really MAGNETO MANIPULATING EVERYTHING...OH WAIT, IT WAS REALLY EVIL BACTERIA FROM THE ORIGINS OF THE EARTH MANIPULATING EVERYTHING!!  yeahhhhhh, that got a little silly and the future arc at the end was pretty dumb.  Then the whole universe reset and now the base X-men in comic world is Scott+Emma running the school.
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Still, good series.  The art was well drawn but I wasn't a big fan of the character designs.  Also really felt like it jumped around too quickly a lot of the times and lacked impact because of the pacing.  But had good characters and good moments.  Will check out Astonishing X-men.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on September 22, 2014, 02:52:49 PM
I reread Morrison recently and while it's more uneven than I remember, the stuff it does nail (Scott+Emma, Fantomex, Stepford Cuckoos) are still at the very-very front of the X-books today, 10 years later.

You might like Astonishing more - it's very much in the "24 issues, 4 arcs, BOOM" era of modern plotting, and each one arc builds very organically fron the next.
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Post by: Pickles the Firecat on September 24, 2014, 09:20:38 PM
New Avengers #24  :lawd

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Doom will definitely come out of this Mapmaker confrontation with information that forces him to take in the Illuminati. Gonna be a big moment to see Victor do that. Richards, Doom, Pym, Banner, Panther, Cho, Thinker, and Beast (+ maybe Tony?) for brains and Molecule Man, Captain Britain, Strange, Black Bolt (+ maybe Namor and obviously the aforementioned brains?) for muscle...that's an OP'd Earth team if I ever saw one. I'm guessing the X-Teams will see Scott with Illuminati/Doom and Wolverine's team with SHIELD.
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Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2014, 03:54:21 AM
Read through Whedon's Astonishing X-men run.  Was good.  Very popcorn entertainment, but came together well and did some stuff nicely like Colossus/Pride.  Also had a light Whedon feel with some good comic lines here and there. 

Oh and I really like what Whedon did with Cyclops.  Best characterization of him I've read/seen in forever.

Now man, wtf is up with X-men and the timeline?  So like Uncanny X-men -> X-men in the late 90s and then in 2001 they rebranded it "New X-men" just for Morrison's Run" which then -> Splits into 2 series of "New x-men" (2004/#157 onwards) and Astonishing X-men which both pick up right after Morrison's run ends in like parallel universe timelines I guess.

1.  If I ever wanted to read the stuff that led up to Morrison's run what should I be reading?

2.  If I ever wanted to read a continuation of the events of Morrison & Whedon's runs...what should I be reading?


Also X-men is so weird because it always feels totally distanced from the Marvel Universe and when cross-over people come in it's more like fanservice than logical.  Like in Morrison's entire run I don't think there were any other marvel characters involved.  Yet Morrison's run dealt with major world changes and cities destroyed.  You'd think if this was all taking place in the Marvel Universe, other superheroes would be involved.  I mean I'm fine taking X-men as existing separately on their own, but then it's weird when other characters do get involved for fanservice.  Also, everyone seems to hate the X-men and villains and superheroes keep coming back over and over again.  I mean if
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tldr; modern x-men comics are super confusing.
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Post by: chronovore on September 27, 2014, 03:59:16 AM
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He used the iron in his blood to magnet his head back on.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 27, 2014, 04:11:44 AM
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It wasn't Magneto and you're better off just ignoring all the Xorn/fallout of New X-men.
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Honestly, the quality after Morison and Wheadon takes a nose dive. You should pretty much ignore things in X-men and Uncanny that come right after that because they are shitty. X-men gets a little better with Mike Carey, but good in the sense of standard super hero stuff. Stuff happens, but honestly the core X-men books have been meh since Wheadon and Morrison.

There is X-Statix which is amazing and completely stand alone. Complete with character's only relevant to that story. Starts in X-Force 116.

While the core Xbooks have been kind of meh imo you have the Craig Kyle and Christopher Yost X-Force which is fun. Then the Rick Remender Uncanny X-Force which is also great fun. It does tie into lots of lore though.

And of course Peter Davids X-Factor is always pretty good.

I don't think you really need to read much before to understand Morrison's run. It of course references things, but I'm not going to ask you to read 75 issues of Generation X and some old Uncanny X-men just so you can understand where Emma's problem over dead students comes from. it's stated and you get it already. Likewise, do you need to read late 90's X-men stuff and Dream's End--a very throw away arc-- to understand Geneosha? Not really.

Really, to understand Morrison I guess reading some old Clearmont is helpful, but even that not mandatory.

Also the original Age of Apocalypse is good with the only real weak part being the Gambit series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on September 27, 2014, 04:16:57 AM
Well the only thing they kept referencing that seemed weird was Cyclop's "Black Bug Room" which I had no idea what it was about.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yulwei on September 27, 2014, 07:09:54 AM
This month I picked up and read all of Hickman's ongoing Avengers/New Avengers/Infinity and boy am I glad I did. Hickman has crafted an extremely interesting and meaty world. Even the slower chapters entertained me nonstop.

Speaking of the X-Men... I did a read through of Mike Carey's run after catching up with the avengers and it had some damn good team book material, which is what I expect from X-Men, but holy hell did that not last very long at all. His run gets caught up in crossover after crossover and it is extremely grating. Morrison's and Whedon's runs were the high points of X-Men for me and I do not feel like ever picking up another X comic again unless they do a complete reboot of the IP and let some decent writers get a crack at it without getting bogged down in crossover shit.

Now I am out of comics to read as I do not care about DC stuff and Marvel doesn't seem to have much going for it outside of Avengers atm.
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Post by: brob on September 27, 2014, 05:11:44 PM
Anyone have an opinion on Prophet by Brandon Graham? I randomly saw a pic on twitter that looked pretty cool.

(http://i.imgur.com/w0oRT81.jpg?1)

http://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/multimedia/meet-the-somalis

I know this thread tends toward capes and away from webcomics, but this is pretty neat.

really liked these.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on September 28, 2014, 11:42:21 AM
Anyone have an opinion on Prophet by Brandon Graham? I randomly saw a pic on twitter that looked pretty cool.

(http://i.imgur.com/w0oRT81.jpg?1)

Worth checking out.  Completely unrelated to the Rob Liefeld crap from years ago; it's now just some good sci-fi.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on October 02, 2014, 10:17:43 PM
What are some comics with good sense of humor?  I like how Whedon's run on Astonishing had some good laughs each issues and Nextwave was fun.  Uncanny X-Force, which I'm reading currently has some good humor thanks to the Deadpool/Fantomex combo.  Would like to read some stuff that is amusing.
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Post by: Eel O'Brian on October 02, 2014, 11:30:03 PM
Just caught up on Fables

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 03, 2014, 12:06:51 AM
What are some comics with good sense of humor?  I like how Whedon's run on Astonishing had some good laughs each issues and Nextwave was fun.  Uncanny X-Force, which I'm reading currently has some good humor thanks to the Deadpool/Fantomex combo.  Would like to read some stuff that is amusing.
Persepolis, Transmetropolitan, Hawkeye(the current run), Y The Last Man, Saga, and X-Statix all have a sense of humor on top of actually having good storytelling.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 12:50:53 AM
Someone please tell me what the fuck is going on in Marvel? I went to my Comic shop tonight and they've got New X-Factor (WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OLD MULTIPLE MAN X-FACTOR TEAM THIS IS IMPORTANT), New Avengers, New this, New that, and I have no inkling as to what the CHRIST. What's good in Marvel these days? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY BELOVED X-FACTOR INVESTIGATIONS? Are all Spider-Man books still shit? What the Christ is the Spider-verse or whatever?

Tonight went to my comic shop for the first time in a year.

Wanted some Power Girl. No Power Girl except Huntress and Power Girl. I got the Futures End event book as well as Number 26. I picked up Green Arrow 35 and it looks rad. I'm a big fan of the new Green Arrow, so I'm looking forward to reading this in the flesh and not my phone. I got Wonder Woman 34, Gotham Academy 1, and Ms. Marvel issue 5.

Rate my pick up. I don't have an idea what's good these days because Green Arrow and Daredevil.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 03, 2014, 01:42:20 AM
Marvel likes to relaunch titles at number 1 like there's no tomorrow. New storylines or new creative teams mean titles start over at number 1 or re-titled.

X-Factor Investigations ended with a conclusion for Multiple Man. New X-Factor is still by Peter David, but are a corporate super hero team lead by Lorna Dane.

It's a good title, but also about to end.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 01:55:41 AM
The appeal of x-factor was mysteries meets mutant powers. Like x-files or some noir sleuthing crossed with x-men. I'm not sure the appeal of a corporate x-factor? Do they still investigate?

And yeah, that's one of the big reasons I prefer DC over Marvel these days.
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Post by: WanderingWind on October 03, 2014, 09:17:10 AM
You're going to be really mad when you find out how X-Factor Investigations ends. You watch that It's Always Sunny episode about online gaming? Same ending.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 09:57:14 AM
I read about it and it sounds fucking stupid.

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Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 10:56:48 AM
Reading Amazing Spidey from #1 via the Marvel U app. Reading 1-200. So far it's...amazing.
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Post by: WanderingWind on October 03, 2014, 11:09:38 AM
I read about it and it sounds fucking stupid.

It was. Flashbacks of how Generation X ended. I thought we had moved beyond that kind of of mess as a medium.  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 03, 2014, 04:12:49 PM
Well right now the appeal of new X-Factor is the character writing for Gambit, Lorna Dane, and Quicksilver. Right now they are being written really well and it's nice to see Lorna be an actual leader. I can't say the corporate bent has lead to any specific story angle, but it's still a good read.
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 03, 2014, 04:44:10 PM
All-New X-Factor is a collection of poorly chosen characters for a concept that sounds better on paper written by a man who burned himself out on the series 2 years ago.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 04:46:46 PM
Gambit? Well written?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 03, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
Gambit? Well written?

Not particularly. In this or his recently cancelled solo.
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Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 05:06:45 PM
RIP X-Factor Investigations. I'll miss you even if I stopped reading in the last year or so. You were easily the best of the X-books for a long time. You will be missed. :tocry :brazilcry

I will now post X-Factor covers I love.

(http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20081226035259/marveldatabase/images/a/af/X-Factor_Vol_3_1_Textless.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qqskaaj.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/93HtFCR.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/YBYKym4.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/Dg4gjNp.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/HPwrctY.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LXIyTWT.jpg)

The comic series no one believed me was the bee's knees because they'd rather read X-Force. :tocry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 05:08:31 PM
Note: X-factor volume 3 is on Marvel Unlimited. READ IT. YOU ASSHOLES.

Gambit? Well written?

Not particularly. In this or his recently cancelled solo.

Well my point is that I think Gambit's one of those characters who will probably never be too well written, because reasons. In this case, Claremont reasons.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 03, 2014, 05:16:28 PM
I'm not seeing how his character is poorly done. For ounce he's not being written as the stereotypical Cajun ladies man or simply Rogues bf. Which is what most writers can't do. He's being written as just a cool dude who happens to be kind of accidentally sly. Which is more intersting then how he's normally done.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 03, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
I'm not seeing how his character is poorly done. For ounce he's not being written as the stereotypical Cajun ladies man or simply Rogues bf. Which is what most writers can't do. He's being written as just a cool dude who happens to be kind of accidentally sly. Which is more intersting then how he's normally done.

It does seem interesting. :obama
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 03, 2014, 05:31:42 PM
Tbh, all X-books kinda...suck right now

All-New X-Men (when pointless x-events dont get in the way)
Magneto
X-Force (Spurrier the GAWD)

That's pretty much it. Everything else is mediocre or worse.

I should mention that Cyclops is good too but Rucka has less than 5 issues left iirc and I can just feel the nosedive the book is going to take once he leaves
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 03, 2014, 05:54:59 PM
X-Force is good, but All New? Oh god no. It's terribly paced and has the most boring cast. Unless you care about Jean Grey and a teenager version to be more specific, it's a pretty meh book. Or it was. I'll admit it's gotten a bit better with that Battle of the Atom 2 arc, but before that everything was slow and every issue seemed to be the same thing over and over. Never mind that the cast kind of sucks and Bendis seems to really only care about Jean Grey.

Too bad whatever momentum it had is put on pause thanks to AXIS. I really doubt this Ultimate Spiderman arc will amount to anything.

Uncanny may not be great. Has too many new characters who have yet to have an impact, but it's also been ok.
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 03, 2014, 05:57:30 PM
See, I feel that way about Uncanny  :yeshrug

Damnit Bendis
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 04, 2014, 12:34:53 AM

Wanted some Power Girl. No Power Girl except Huntress and Power Girl.

Himu, these are all you need:

Power Girl: Power Trip (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/140124307X/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=0T0HHYP0HBNAAYM6XS85&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=1688200382&pf_rd_i=507846)
Terra (http://www.amazon.com/Terra-Jimmy-Palmiotti/dp/1401225101/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1412396914&sr=8-1&keywords=terra+comic)

Power Trip has ALL of the amazing Jimmy Palmiotti/Justin Gray/Amanda Conner PG stories in one collected edition, plus JLA Classified 1-4, which Conner drew but the others didn't write.  The correct reading order for all this would be JLA Classified 1-4, Supergirl 13 (which is included in the Terra book, IIRC), Terra (1-4), and then remaining PG stores in Power Trip, which would be 1-12. 

The Powergirl series went on after that team left the book, and while it wasn't bad, it wasn't the same character and the new team pretty much undid all the awesome stuff that Palmiotti/Gray/Conner set up, which really sucks.  I say just skip it. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 04, 2014, 12:36:25 AM
apparently the power girl team now does harley.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 04, 2014, 12:39:25 AM
apparently the power girl team now does harley.

Palmiotti and Conner write it.  Conner only draws the covers, unfortunately.  And I have no idea where Gray is.  The artists they use aren't bad from what I've read, but it's just not the same without Conner doing the art.

Palmiotti and Gray also wrote the recently-canceled All-Star Western New 52 series, BTW.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 04, 2014, 12:40:23 AM
BTW comics on the iPhone 6 are :drool

I can actually read pages with the phone held vertically now.  Was worth it for that alone.
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Post by: bork on October 04, 2014, 12:42:30 AM
Also Himu, that same team did a great one-shot called The Pro, about a super-powered hooker.  Worth reading.  It's not about sex and is only mildly-nsfw.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 12:42:10 AM
So I had put off ever reading anything from the New 52 until I killed off my old DC universe backlog. (Not counting stuff "outside it", in other words I'm only talking about anything involving people in the JLA/JSA.) Finally just randomly this week I decided to finish off the last bundle of stuff through Brightest Day and into Flashpoint.

Got Court of Owls, JLI, Stormwatch, Batwoman and some other New 52 stuff sitting on the floor now with more to come. Can't wait to go through all the cancellations, bad editorial decisions and botched launches!

This may be the stupidest dumb fan thing I've ever done. Also in a weird way I'm kinda like deep down mildly angry at them "rebooting" the universe. Like Booster Gold + Final Crisis + Blackest Night had this kind of "this DC universe is my DC history" cementing effect on me since I really only comprehended the DC Universe as a thing well after the original Crisis so that "reboot" is like the start of my experience with DC, my Superman, Batman, Flash, etc. This may be the stupidest dumb fan thing I've ever felt.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 05, 2014, 06:44:11 AM
Someone please tell me what the fuck is going on in Marvel? I went to my Comic shop tonight and they've got New X-Factor (WHAT HAPPENED TO THE OLD MULTIPLE MAN X-FACTOR TEAM THIS IS IMPORTANT), New Avengers, New this, New that, and I have no inkling as to what the CHRIST. What's good in Marvel these days? WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO MY BELOVED X-FACTOR INVESTIGATIONS? Are all Spider-Man books still shit? What the Christ is the Spider-verse or whatever?


the new x-factor is pretty good so far. its done a real good job at humanizing pietro, and it has cypher and warlock, on top of gambit, which is a plus despite haters. i am kinda waiting for the other shoe to drop though. with all the shit going on behind the scenes, its bound to

spider-verse is a crossover even featuring many spider legacy related characters. or as i see it, slotts chance to kill off mayday once and for all. the tie ins have been ok ish so far.

So I had put off ever reading anything from the New 52 until I killed off my old DC universe backlog. (Not counting stuff "outside it", in other words I'm only talking about anything involving people in the JLA/JSA.) Finally just randomly this week I decided to finish off the last bundle of stuff through Brightest Day and into Flashpoint.

Got Court of Owls, JLI, Stormwatch, Batwoman and some other New 52 stuff sitting on the floor now with more to come. Can't wait to go through all the cancellations, bad editorial decisions and botched launches!

This may be the stupidest dumb fan thing I've ever done. Also in a weird way I'm kinda like deep down mildly angry at them "rebooting" the universe. Like Booster Gold + Final Crisis + Blackest Night had this kind of "this DC universe is my DC history" cementing effect on me since I really only comprehended the DC Universe as a thing well after the original Crisis so that "reboot" is like the start of my experience with DC, my Superman, Batman, Flash, etc. This may be the stupidest dumb fan thing I've ever felt.

honestly the only dc title im feeling right now is multiversity. and the reason i dont care for current dc is that i know characters that i wanted more from wont be seen again. empress and vulcan are gone. hell the former wasnt good enough to get a damn young justice cameo. and im sure if we see dr midnite again, hes gonna be involved with the court of owls. ill catch dc when something catches my eye, but for now, ill pass
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 05, 2014, 07:40:22 AM
I'm a bronze age DC fan, so Nu52 is pretty much the worst to me.

that said, I'm enjoying the hell out of Grayson and really liked the first issue of Gotham Academy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 05, 2014, 11:08:36 AM
I was optimistic going into the new 52 but as time went on, more and more titles were dropped due to creative changes or just being plain mediocre/bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on October 05, 2014, 08:48:30 PM
I find it tough to read comics with bad art.  How do you enjoy stuff that has good stories if the art looks like crap?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 05, 2014, 09:00:15 PM
I find it tough to read comics with bad art.  How do you enjoy stuff that has good stories if the art looks like crap?

If I really dislike the artwork, I don't read it.  Depends on the type of comic it is, too- for whatever reason I can tolerate mediocre artwork in non-superhero comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 05, 2014, 09:01:07 PM
Also in a weird way I'm kinda like deep down mildly angry at them "rebooting" the universe.

Don't worry, they're now hinting at the old one still being around.  :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 09:29:10 PM
That's the same thing they're doing with the Abramsverse for Star Trek, the comic which is "canon unless countered by the films" is now hooking up with post-show Sisko and Picard and Janeway in the old timeline using Q as justification.  :lol

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 05, 2014, 09:34:40 PM
Seems to me, Marvel Now is kicking the pants out of new 52.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 05, 2014, 10:21:27 PM
Also in a weird way I'm kinda like deep down mildly angry at them "rebooting" the universe.

Don't worry, they're now hinting at the old one still being around.  :dizzy

are they? i guess the reboot didnt do as well for them as they hoped. it makes me wonder why people want marvel to reboot the 616
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on October 05, 2014, 11:06:19 PM
It almost sorta bombed in many tiny ways from what little I had looked into it. The big books sold well, but creatively it sounds like they didn't fix any of the editorial infighting and so on it was supposed to take care of.

Should just kinda forget about it and put more resources into Earth One.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on October 06, 2014, 12:34:36 PM
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=56038

SQUIRREL GIRL IS GETTING HER OWN COMIC

THE UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL

FUCK YEEESSSSSSSSSSS

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Squirrel-Girl-Art-Adams-0af02.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 06, 2014, 12:51:02 PM
FUCK YEAH SQUIRREL GIRL
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 06, 2014, 01:01:49 PM
Fuck yes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 06, 2014, 09:15:38 PM
i hope they keep it lighthearted. comics love fucking up and turning light hearted characters into depressing shells of themselves
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 06, 2014, 09:25:20 PM
Marvel is pretty good at making lighthearted comics....



going until they cancel them after 12 issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on October 06, 2014, 10:58:26 PM
i'll check out that squirrel girl book, but i'm probably going to wait til it gets canceled so i can just get the single collected edition  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 07, 2014, 01:42:43 AM
THE UNBEATABLE SQUIRREL GIRL
2015 - In Theaters.

I mean, c’mon, Guardians of the Galaxy -- Marvel’s trotting out the obscure shit to make hit movies from, because fanboys can’t get their entitlement up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on October 07, 2014, 02:40:38 AM
Aside from seeing the Squirrel Girl news which is  :lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THESE COMICS NOWADAYS!!


Apparently Batman has a new origin or something, Peter was Doc Occ, there is a female thor (not a gender bent version of male thor), Arkham Asylum is now at Wayne Manor, plus some other stuff my mind cannot begin to wrap around ?

:mindblown

what the fuck is goin on?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 07, 2014, 08:39:09 AM
That's the same thing they're doing with the Abramsverse for Star Trek, the comic which is "canon unless countered by the films" is now hooking up with post-show Sisko and Picard and Janeway in the old timeline using Q as justification.  :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's also been hints that after the third movie they're going to ditch it entirely and go back to the old Trek unless it makes an illegal amount of money. Apparently some people in suits are quite unhappy about JJ ditching for Star Wars.
[close]

Can't seem them going back to the old Star Trek for films.  Surely they made more money off those last two than the previous Star Trek movies did?

Seems to me, Marvel Now is kicking the pants out of new 52.

I dunno.  I find myself reading more DC books than I would have before.

Also in a weird way I'm kinda like deep down mildly angry at them "rebooting" the universe.

Don't worry, they're now hinting at the old one still being around.  :dizzy

are they? i guess the reboot didnt do as well for them as they hoped. it makes me wonder why people want marvel to reboot the 616

I wouldn't mind a "reboot" that undoes some of the stupider shit like AvX.   :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on October 07, 2014, 09:11:45 AM
Can't seem them going back to the old Star Trek for films.  Surely they made more money off those last two than the previous Star Trek movies did?
The first one did the best of any of them in the US, but Into Darkness was adjusted for inflation close to some of the others in the US. Only because of the new overseas market did Into Darkness beat out the first movie more than half of its money was made overseas, and it wasn't a huge hit, which Trek never has been, and they have to figure out something when they lose Pine and Quinto anyway. (Among others, nobody's signed past a third movie.)

Rumor is the budgets being slashed way way down for the 2016 one.

I think there's more interest in doing a show again, especially with all the new models for TV series out there instead of having to be on a broadcast network. And then the Abramsverse becomes kinda irrelevant because it's more likely they reboot again than stick with it for a show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 07, 2014, 01:12:58 PM
Star Trek 4 should have young Picard, but make him still bald tho. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2014, 01:53:23 AM
Nemesis already did it:
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100823195916/memoryalpha/en/images/8/82/Jean-LucPicardCadet.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 08, 2014, 09:48:59 PM
Yeah, Nemesis did a lot of stuff.

None of it done well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 09, 2014, 11:43:38 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Z4kagd7.jpg)

between this and multiversity, im excited for the future

then again, i love multiversal crossovers like this. its almost a guarantee to get me to pick up issues. (amalgam 3 when?)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2014, 10:48:27 AM
I dunno.  I find myself reading more DC books than I would have before.

Same. Batman Eternal is a great weekly series that satisfies my need to see the whole Bat-family in action, Snyder/Capullo's Batman run has yet to really disappoint (I can pick nits but it's a remarkable series*), Grayson is drop dead fantastic (seriously), and Justice League has gotten hella interesting with Lex on the team. They also finally got that hack Lobdell off of Teen Titans and re-re-re-rebooted it from #1 and it's actually decent now.

As for the New 52, it's up and down, same as comics always are. People try to sweep all the problems inherent in comics and the DC stable of characters under the New 52 rug and it just doesn't fly, IMO. Those problems would have existed anyways.  The yearly September events are hit and miss, Forever Evil was shallow but fun as hell while Future's End has been way too drawn out.

I'm probably kinder to New 52 than most because I like the idea of a single** (for the most part) streamlined universe, and it didn't really touch what was going on in Batman (although I do think Batman Inc should have stayed in the old DCU, and the idea of four Robins in five years is a bit... dumb.) And I liked some of the more superfluous changes such as changing Captain Marvel to Shazam.

* This week Batman #35 came out and you should run out and buy it, it's fantastic and kicks off a six-issue story called "Endgame" you don't want to be spoiled on.

**
Also in a weird way I'm kinda like deep down mildly angry at them "rebooting" the universe.

Don't worry, they're now hinting at the old one still being around.  :dizzy

Indeed!

(http://i.imgur.com/1jP76Jkl.jpg)

I think this'll play into the New 52 Anti-Monitor which Grant Morrison showed at the end of Forever Evil.

(http://i.imgur.com/bt0LhQTl.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 10, 2014, 11:03:28 AM

I'm probably kinder to New 52 than most because I like the idea of a single** (for the most part) streamlined universe,

Valiant is doing this fairly well, I think.

But Grayson is very enjoyable, i'll agree with that.  New Batgirl was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2014, 11:05:41 AM
Still need to pick it up. I absolutely loved the first 8 or so pages that leaked a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2014, 11:08:28 AM
Also, something cool about New 52 is that the New Gods (Darkseid et al) are singular entities and only one of them exist across all universes, kind of like... actual gods. I dunno, I think it's cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 10, 2014, 03:39:59 PM
Is Marvel now taking steps to fuck with Fox Studios?

Fox Studios has the rights to the X-Men and all the various mutant characters, whether they use them or not.  They're also making a new Fantastic Four movie.  You might have noticed that even though Quicksilver (who appeared in the last X-Men movie, sans his codename) and The Scarlet Witch are mutants, they had a cameo in the last Captain America movie and will be in the next Avengers film.

So what has Marvel been doing?  Well, one could look at all this as coincidence, but-

-Marvel did next to nothing to promote the last X-Men movie.  No merchandise tie-ins, no nothing.  Anything you saw was Fox.

-Wolverine is being slowly killed off.  They took away his healing factor (which the Wolverine movie did, too, leading to speculation that it was a tie-in to that, but he got his powers back by the end of the film) and there is a now mini-series about to end entitled "The Death Of Wolverine."

-The Fantastic Four comics are being canceled next year, which is when the film just so happens to be coming out.  :lol  Some cite low sales for this, but the comic sells about the same numbers as Captain America, which you'll notice was just recently a movie. 

-Marvel has been trying, in their comics, to make the Inhumans a big thing.  From what I can tell, it's been kind of a failure.  The Inhumans are a group of weird mutant-like characters that used to live on the moon (it's comics...roll with it) but now reside on Earth.  They recently did an event where this weird "mist" changed a large number of humans into Inhumans.  They are trying to treat the characters just like how mutants get treated (I.E., racism) in the comics.  A film is planned for 2017.

-There is now a new comic event that was just announced called "No More Mutants."  The teaser image shows...Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.   :lol  There is speculation that they are going to be de-powered and then re-powered as...Inhumans.  And now that they're not mutants...HEY!  Marvel can use 'em in films!   :lol

So now this has me wondering about Wolverine.  Are they possibly killing him off...so that they can resurrect him as a non-mutant?   :rofl

And if you're wondering about Spider-Man (Sony Pictures has the rights), apparently Marvel and Sony have a much better relationship.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2014, 04:03:22 PM
Quote
-There is now a new comic event that was just announced called "No More Mutants."  The teaser image shows...Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.   :lol  There is speculation that they are going to be de-powered and then re-powered as...Inhumans.  And now that they're not mutants...HEY!  Marvel can use 'em in films!   :lol

But... they're already using them? ???

Also, yes, Marvel is being super petty.

I did see that Sony might let them use Spidey, which is probably an unfounded rumor but I wouldn't be too surprised if it ended up happening (and I've been saying it's a slight possibility this entire time.) FF and X-Men are never going to be pried out of Fox's hands (well, FF might in the same way as Daredevil/Ghost Rider), but I never saw Sony as too concerned. And if Spidey in Avengers reverses the trend of each new Spidey movie making significantly less than the last, then all the better.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 10, 2014, 04:14:46 PM
Quote
-There is now a new comic event that was just announced called "No More Mutants."  The teaser image shows...Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.   :lol  There is speculation that they are going to be de-powered and then re-powered as...Inhumans.  And now that they're not mutants...HEY!  Marvel can use 'em in films!   :lol

But... they're already using them? ???

And now here's the reason why...I guess?   :lol

They have all these characters they can use.  Wonder why it concerns them so much.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 10, 2014, 04:52:41 PM
Quote
-There is now a new comic event that was just announced called "No More Mutants."  The teaser image shows...Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch.   :lol  There is speculation that they are going to be de-powered and then re-powered as...Inhumans.  And now that they're not mutants...HEY!  Marvel can use 'em in films!   :lol

But... they're already using them? ???

And now here's the reason why...I guess?   :lol

They have all these characters they can use.  Wonder why it concerns them so much.

Both studios can use them because they're related to both Avengers and X-men. Marvel just can't reference them being mutants in the movies. This doesn't change anything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 10, 2014, 05:24:41 PM
It's really strange how they've been handling the X-men. The X-men have been able to be alone off in thier corner for awhile now, yet they've been perching members and making them appear in cross overs with the Avengers. Effectively integrating them more with the marvel universe.

They kill off Wolverine, but I don't think that has any secret agenda behind it. It really is "killing heroes makes money" type of thing. Though if they did somehow bring him back as a non-mutant then well fuck marvel.

They've taken characters like Cannonball, Rogue, Havok, and Sunspot and made them Avengers. Pulling them away from the xbooks. I really don't think this will make them be able to appear in Avengers movies or anything, but I really don't know why these characters are in Avenger books.

It's been said the X-Office is'nt supposed to make new characters. Hasn't stopped Bendis from making so many new characters that he can't even bother to develop them. Yet I guess Bendis can do that because he's a top creator. Yet there you go, Marvel put one of it's top creators on marvel. Even Brian Wood was able to create a new villain though.

I mean it's obvious that they want to push the Avengers more and the X-men may get the short stick of that. Yet, it's not like they can ignore one of thier better selling franchisees. I mean what would be the end goal here? Devalue the brand so Fox will sell it back? I don't see how crippling the comic books will effect the movies. The movies will do fine regardless of the books. It will be a long time before Fox would be 100% sure there's no point to making X-men movies. 

So you cripple the books and don't merchandise the franchisee. Well dosen't Marvel just loose out? Comic book sales go down and toy sales are left on the table. Doesn't Marvel still have the rights to merchandise?

I mean it does seem like X-men are getting the short end of the stick, but really to what end?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 10, 2014, 05:48:23 PM
It's really strange how they've been handling the X-men. The X-men have been able to be alone off in thier corner for awhile now, yet they've been perching members and making them appear in cross overs with the Avengers. Effectively integrating them more with the marvel universe.

They kill off Wolverine, but I don't think that has any secret agenda behind it. It really is "killing heroes makes money" type of thing. Though if they did somehow bring him back as a non-mutant then well fuck marvel.

They've taken characters like Cannonball, Rogue, Havok, and Sunspot and made them Avengers. Pulling them away from the xbooks. I really don't think this will make them be able to appear in Avengers movies or anything, but I really don't know why these characters are in Avenger books.

It's been said the X-Office is'nt supposed to make new characters. Hasn't stopped Bendis from making so many new characters that he can't even bother to develop them. Yet I guess Bendis can do that because he's a top creator. Yet there you go, Marvel put one of it's top creators on marvel. Even Brian Wood was able to create a new villain though.

I mean it's obvious that they want to push the Avengers more and the X-men may get the short stick of that. Yet, it's not like they can ignore one of thier better selling franchisees. I mean what would be the end goal here? Devalue the brand so Fox will sell it back? I don't see how crippling the comic books will effect the movies. The movies will do fine regardless of the books. It will be a long time before Fox would be 100% sure there's no point to making X-men movies. 

So you cripple the books and don't merchandise the franchisee. Well dosen't Marvel just loose out? Comic book sales go down and toy sales are left on the table. Doesn't Marvel still have the rights to merchandise?

I mean it does seem like X-men are getting the short end of the stick, but really to what end?

nothing movie related, which is where the money is. any advertising puts money in fox' pockets, not theirs.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 10, 2014, 05:55:02 PM
When the first X-Men movie came out they reissued many of the 90s Toy Biz toys. I know, I bought tons of them. Marvel also had thier recent Marvel Universe toy line that had plenty of X-men characters. They can't put these out when the movies are out? They don't have to have the movie branding, but surly the toys sell fine even if they are using the comics iconography?

Sure this would benefit Fox, but they would be riding that wave.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 10, 2014, 06:18:51 PM
When the first X-Men movie came out they reissued many of the 90s Toy Biz toys. I know, I bought tons of them. Marvel also had thier recent Marvel Universe toy line that had plenty of X-men characters. They can't put these out when the movies are out? They don't have to have the movie branding, but surly the toys sell fine even if they are using the comics iconography?

Sure this would benefit Fox, but they would be riding that wave.

maybe there was a no compete clause in effect the moment marvel started their thing. or they didnt sell as well as official movie products.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 10, 2014, 07:26:24 PM
Yeah even if toys sales weren't great. You still have a billion random things from towels to shirts to anything you see in Target, Khols, or walmart. Things I assume they could sell with the comic book iconography and not the movie's. X-men is a well known brand, but it sure is losing popularity and honestly thats Marvel's fault.

Though I think what makes them work better with Sony is that they do get a cut of the movie's actual merchandising. I wonder exactly what the X-men deal is though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 10, 2014, 07:54:32 PM
Yeah even if toys sales weren't great. You still have a billion random things from towels to shirts to anything you see in Target, Khols, or walmart. Things I assume they could sell with the comic book iconography and not the movie's. X-men is a well known brand, but it sure is losing popularity and honestly thats Marvel's fault.

Though I think what makes them work better with Sony is that they do get a cut of the movie's actual merchandising. I wonder exactly what the X-men deal is though.

except that even if that were the case, kids and casual fans will want the things with the movie characters on them. my cousin sees the wolverine, and tells me he wants a silver samurai figure(he didnt call him silver samurai, but the robot at the end of the movie) if he were to see the comic variant and the movie variant, he wouldnt give the comic version a second glance. when youre trying to compete 1 to 1 with a medium that has more exposure, youre gonna need one hell of a gimmick to keep up
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2014, 10:43:05 PM
Also, something cool about New 52 is that the New Gods (Darkseid et al) are singular entities and only one of them exist across all universes, kind of like... actual gods. I dunno, I think it's cool.
Technically, in the "Post Crisis" universe this was also true. Boomtubes were how you got to New Genesis and Apokolips's 'Fourth World' and then back to the universe.

But like anything it was really writer dependent and they had an overly interested focus on one universe in particular. It was much more prominent when they were Jack Kirby's little thing compared to later when they showed up every other week in everybodys books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 11, 2014, 12:05:19 AM
Yeah even if toys sales weren't great. You still have a billion random things from towels to shirts to anything you see in Target, Khols, or walmart. Things I assume they could sell with the comic book iconography and not the movie's. X-men is a well known brand, but it sure is losing popularity and honestly thats Marvel's fault.

Though I think what makes them work better with Sony is that they do get a cut of the movie's actual merchandising. I wonder exactly what the X-men deal is though.

except that even if that were the case, kids and casual fans will want the things with the movie characters on them. my cousin sees the wolverine, and tells me he wants a silver samurai figure(he didnt call him silver samurai, but the robot at the end of the movie) if he were to see the comic variant and the movie variant, he wouldnt give the comic version a second glance. when youre trying to compete 1 to 1 with a medium that has more exposure, youre gonna need one hell of a gimmick to keep up
I don't agree with this.

Because even the Marvel Avengers stuff dosen't look like the movie 100% of the time.

Just a quick search through Target.

http://www.target.com/p/avengers-sheet-set/-/A-13980847#prodSlot=medium_2_3&term=marvel
http://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=marvel&category=0%7CAll%7Cmatchallpartial%7Call+categories&lnk=snav_sbox_marvel#navigation=true&searchTerm=marvel&sortBy=bestselling&Nao=72&viewType=medium&category=0|All|matchallpartial|all+categories
http://www.target.com/p/avengers-throw/-/A-13982512#prodSlot=medium_3_3&term=marvel

I mean look at the Disney Infinity stuff. It looks nothing like the movies. I don't think Marvel has a problem with presenting tons of avengers merchandise that dosen't have the movies exact look. That stuff seems to do fine, so whats the problem with X-men?

Kids really won't pick up a Cyclops figure because it's not in black leather? Marvel has no problem putting out Wolverine in his comic look, so why not the other X-men? I doubt Wolverine things have problems selling because he dosen't look like Hugh Jackmen.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 11, 2014, 02:08:37 AM
I don't agree with this.

Because even the Marvel Avengers stuff dosen't look like the movie 100% of the time.

Just a quick search through Target.

http://www.target.com/p/avengers-sheet-set/-/A-13980847#prodSlot=medium_2_3&term=marvel
http://www.target.com/s?searchTerm=marvel&category=0%7CAll%7Cmatchallpartial%7Call+categories&lnk=snav_sbox_marvel#navigation=true&searchTerm=marvel&sortBy=bestselling&Nao=72&viewType=medium&category=0|All|matchallpartial|all+categories
http://www.target.com/p/avengers-throw/-/A-13982512#prodSlot=medium_3_3&term=marvel

I mean look at the Disney Infinity stuff. It looks nothing like the movies. I don't think Marvel has a problem with presenting tons of avengers merchandise that dosen't have the movies exact look. That stuff seems to do fine, so whats the problem with X-men?

Kids really won't pick up a Cyclops figure because it's not in black leather? Marvel has no problem putting out Wolverine in his comic look, so why not the other X-men? I doubt Wolverine things have problems selling because he dosen't look like Hugh Jackmen.

the avengers arent in the same bucket. marvel has whole share over everything. its not competing with a fictional avengers series by universal. i dont think they feel that they are promoting a brand they have no control over, so they throw everything out there. as for infinity, all the guardians are based off of their movie appearances, while many of the spider man characters seem to be based off of their ult spider man appearances, and avengers off their avengers assemble appearances, not their comic counterparts.

as for why put wolverine in things, its because unlike cyclops, hes quite a popular character. and even then, look at how drowned out wolverine is from everything else avengers related. they throw some merch out there, but you can see that he isnt much of a factor.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on October 11, 2014, 04:09:11 PM
Marvel has hated the X-Men since 2004. That's why they gave Joss Whedon and Ed Brubaker so much creative control.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 11, 2014, 06:35:15 PM
I can't tell if that's sarcastic or not. Astonishing was good. Brubaker is fantastic, his run was meh though. Still they were top talent.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: StealthFan on October 11, 2014, 08:56:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/RgKcSov.jpg)


reusing the costume from that hulk movie :mjlol:

yeah i know it's a costume from the comics stfu
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 11, 2014, 08:57:38 PM
Who the hell is that?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: StealthFan on October 11, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
Daredevil from the tv show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on October 11, 2014, 10:39:45 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/lhGVNMO.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on October 11, 2014, 10:47:41 PM
Aside from seeing the Squirrel Girl news which is  :lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THESE COMICS NOWADAYS!!


Apparently Batman has a new origin or something, Peter was Doc Occ, there is a female thor (not a gender bent version of male thor), Arkham Asylum is now at Wayne Manor, plus some other stuff my mind cannot begin to wrap around ?

:mindblown

what the fuck is goin on?

Any help here  :tocry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 11, 2014, 11:21:40 PM
Aside from seeing the Squirrel Girl news which is  :lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THESE COMICS NOWADAYS!!


Apparently Batman has a new origin or something, Peter was Doc Occ, there is a female thor (not a gender bent version of male thor), Arkham Asylum is now at Wayne Manor, plus some other stuff my mind cannot begin to wrap around ?

:mindblown

what the fuck is goin on?

Any help here  :tocry

I only really know the DC side of things though I've been trying to keep up with Spider-man.

- Batman's origin still has trappings of Year One but basically in Batman's first year, he encounters the Red Hood Gang (led by a pre-Joker Joker, as in DCU past) and dumps him into the vat of chemicals. Then Riddler takes over the city and turns it into a cross between I Am Legend and Gladiator. Then Batman beats his ass in the ultimate riddle or something. Read Batman: Zero Year, it's better than I make it out to be.

- Doc Ock was Spider-man for a bit after taking over Peter's body but Peter's mind was still there and Ock was going "I am the SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN! I'm way better than that other loser! Also I'll add Doc Ock's robo tentacles to my costume THAT WON'T BE SUSPICIOUS OR ANYTHING!" To Ock's credit he does manage to fool the dumbasses in Avengers into thinking he's really Peter. But then Peter pulls some Obi-Wan Kenobi shit after Ock hesitates saving some chick and Ock was all like "Peter, YOU are the superior Spider-man! I've basically been buttfucking your life for the past few months but now I'll take my leave, kthx." Then Peter shows up to stop Green Goblin who knew Ock was Spider-man, but then Peter cracks a wise about Gobby carrying a purse and Gobby goes "OMG it's the real Spider-man!" and Peter replies "The one and only." Which would be pretty badass but the current Spider-man event is called "Spider-verse" where there's LITERALLY A BILLION OTHER SPIDER-MEN AND WOMEN MEETING UP.

- The new Thor is a new character from my understanding. Old Thor can no longer lift Mjolnir because reasons (editorial.)

- Arkham isn't at Wayne Manor to my knowledge? But it has been taken over by the inmates. Batwing and Spectre (or rather Spectre's human vessel) were investigating it last I checked and got sucked into some hell dimension beneath it where this random character who found Joker's cut off face and is calling herself "the Joker's Daughter" (literally the worst idea by DC in the past 10 years, at least) is serving whoever is running things (they revealed who it was I just forgot.)

Read Batman (monthly, only Batman for the most part, a new storyline called Endgame just kicked off last issue) and Batman Eternal (weekly, involves the entire Bat-family and the lower-grade rogues, about halfway through its 52-issue run) if you want to stay caught up.

ALSO btw Alfred's niece is running the Batcave and stuff in Gotham and she's like a 007 agent or some type shit. ALSO Lex Luthor is on the Justice League AND knows Bruce is Batman. ALSO Dick Grayson the original Robin/Nightwing is presumed dead but that's just a cover he's a spy for this group called Spyral (so clever) and his series Grayson is actually really fucking awesome. ALSO I think Damian Wayne might be back or something, haven't been keeping up with Batman & Robin but Batman went to Apokolips cause that's where his body was for reasons (???)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 12, 2014, 12:58:08 AM
Yes. Snyder says him and Capullo will probably end their run at around 50 issues. (Batman #35 was released last Wednesday.)

I like him. My only complaint is that he doesn't write Bruce's internal monologues the way I think they should be sometimes, but I love his consistency, attention to detail, and ideas for storylines. You should read Eternal, it's literally everything I've ever wanted from a Batman comic.

Batman #35 semi-spoilers:

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Btw I have a feeling you might not like Batman #35.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 12, 2014, 02:16:03 AM
Aside from seeing the Squirrel Girl news which is  :lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THESE COMICS NOWADAYS!!


Apparently Batman has a new origin or something, Peter was Doc Occ, there is a female thor (not a gender bent version of male thor), Arkham Asylum is now at Wayne Manor, plus some other stuff my mind cannot begin to wrap around ?

:mindblown

what the fuck is goin on?

Any help here  :tocry

Spider-Man stuff:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
In brief, A dying Doctor Octopus mind-swaps with Spider-Man.  Spider-Man tries his best to get his body back, but in the end dies and convinces Ock to be a good guy, with great comes responsibility and all that.  Ock does do super heroics, but with an arrogant, mad inventor-like twist.  He also makes a number of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's friends hate him, gets a PhD, and starts his own company after being somewhat responsible for the lab he worked at being shut down.  While this is happening, the Green Goblin returns and builds up an army (literally) underground.  Part of Peter Parker is also still inside his original body, and he fights Ock for control, but loses and appears to be "erased".  However there's hints that he still exists and at the end of Superior Spider-Man, Ock realizes that he cannot beat the Green Goblin and erases himself from Peter's body, restoring Spider-Man back to normal.  Peter sends the Goblin packing but his life is now completely different and Amazing is focusing on the fallout from everything that happened. 
[close]

During all this, Spider-Man 2099 goes back to the present day and gets trapped there.  He's now working at the corporation he fights in the future and keeping tabs on his evil grandfather.  He got his own new series recently.

On top of all that, a major retcon was done regarding Spider-Man's origin.  He now was not the only one bitten by the radioactive spider.  A female classmate was too, but she was locked away to prevent some major bad buy (Morlun, who apparently hunts down "spider avatars" and devours their souls or whatever) from finding her.  Spider-Man finds her and now she's a superhero called "Silk."  They also have some animal-like attraction between themselves and keep wanting to screw when close to each other.

The event Andrex was talking about, Edge Of Spider-Verse, relates to Morlun and his family.  They're going all over the multi-verse killing various versions of Spider-Man.  Edge is just the prequel to the Spider-Verse event and features Doc Ock Spidey gathering various Spider-Man characters in attempt to combat Morlun.  (This part of it takes place before the end of Superior)  It also has one-shot books focusing on various alternate versions of Spider-Man.  The one getting all the attention is a Spider-Woman who is actually Gwen Stacy in an alternate universe.  Marvel is going to be giving her a series, because Spider-Woman, Arachne, and Silk were not enough, it seems.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 12, 2014, 04:27:28 AM
Aside from seeing the Squirrel Girl news which is  :lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THESE COMICS NOWADAYS!!


Apparently Batman has a new origin or something, Peter was Doc Occ, there is a female thor (not a gender bent version of male thor), Arkham Asylum is now at Wayne Manor, plus some other stuff my mind cannot begin to wrap around ?

:mindblown

what the fuck is goin on?

Any help here  :tocry

Spider-Man stuff:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
In brief, A dying Doctor Octopus mind-swaps with Spider-Man.  Spider-Man tries his best to get his body back, but in the end dies and convinces Ock to be a good guy, with great comes responsibility and all that.  Ock does do super heroics, but with an arrogant, mad inventor-like twist.  He also makes a number of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's friends hate him, gets a PhD, and starts his own company after being somewhat responsible for the lab he worked at being shut down.  While this is happening, the Green Goblin returns and builds up an army (literally) underground.  Part of Peter Parker is also still inside his original body, and he fights Ock for control, but loses and appears to be "erased".  However there's hints that he still exists and at the end of Superior Spider-Man, Ock realizes that he cannot beat the Green Goblin and erases himself from Peter's body, restoring Spider-Man back to normal.  Peter sends the Goblin packing but his life is now completely different and Amazing is focusing on the fallout from everything that happened. 
[close]

During all this, Spider-Man 2099 goes back to the present day and gets trapped there.  He's now working at the corporation he fights in the future and keeping tabs on his evil grandfather.  He got his own new series recently.

On top of all that, a major retcon was done regarding Spider-Man's origin.  He now was not the only one bitten by the radioactive spider.  A female classmate was too, but she was locked away to prevent some major bad buy (Morlun, who apparently hunts down "spider avatars" and devours their souls or whatever) from finding her.  Spider-Man finds her and now she's a superhero called "Silk."  They also have some animal-like attraction between themselves and keep wanting to screw when close to each other.

The event Andrex was talking about, Edge Of Spider-Verse, relates to Morlun and his family.  They're going all over the multi-verse killing various versions of Spider-Man.  Edge is just the prequel to the Spider-Verse event and features Doc Ock Spidey gathering various Spider-Man characters in attempt to combat Morlun.  (This part of it takes place before the end of Superior)  It also has one-shot books focusing on various alternate versions of Spider-Man.  The one getting all the attention is a Spider-Woman who is actually Gwen Stacy in an alternate universe.  Marvel is going to be giving her a series, because Spider-Woman, Arachne, and Silk were not enough, it seems.

i kinda want a little more of the edge of the spider verse.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
seeing amazing friends spidey and crew and unlimited spidey get killed
[close]
feels odd, yet hilarious
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on October 12, 2014, 06:23:39 AM
Finished the Dark Angel Saga of 2012's Uncanny X-Force (#1-18) by Rick Remender.  Really liked this one.  It's great how he took a 5 various X-related characters and gave them a ton of character depth and personality.  Fantomex was cool when introduced by Morrison, but this is where he really shines.  Psylocke/Archangel's stuff is good and Deadpool is really enjoyable in his supporting role.  The story is alright, but it's the characters that really carried this thing.  Plus the art's fricken gorgeous.  The inner monologues are often fantastic and

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Deathlock is great and hilarious as well.
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I love how Fantomex is like the down to earth realistic character going "man, this was a really bad decision joining this X-force thing".  Oh and his dialogues together with Deadpool are just perfect.  This run probably has the best character stuff out of the marvel comics I've read so far.  Really enjoyable.

Only thing I didn't like was:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
not killing off Arch-Angel.  There was this really nice sendoff death where Psylocke goes into his mind and makes him experience a happy long live with no regrets so he can die at peace.  First scene in the last few months of hundreds of comics that actually gave me a bit of the feels.  Then 3 pages later he's back to life and has amnesia, meh.  Guessing Marvel wouldn't let Remender kill Arch-Angel for good in this run.
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Now I'm at the part where it splits off between Remender continuing Uncanny X-Force and Age of Apocalypse issue #1 focusing on

spoiler (click to show/hide)
What's happening on the post-Age of Apocalypse total bleak everyone's fucked timeline.
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Not sure if the latter is any good since it's a different writer, but might read it anyhow to see what happens.  Will definitely finish the Remender Uncanny run.  The Dark Angel Saga would make a pretty solid hollywood X-force movie after they do Age of Apocalypse in the next X-men film.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on October 12, 2014, 10:27:51 AM
That new Daredevil series looks fun, but I swear to god the minute Coulson, Fury or any of those SHIELD nerds show up, I'm out. Can't stand SHIELD and all the godawful actors on that show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on October 12, 2014, 11:04:44 AM
Aside from seeing the Squirrel Girl news which is  :lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THESE COMICS NOWADAYS!!


Apparently Batman has a new origin or something, Peter was Doc Occ, there is a female thor (not a gender bent version of male thor), Arkham Asylum is now at Wayne Manor, plus some other stuff my mind cannot begin to wrap around ?

:mindblown

what the fuck is goin on?

Any help here  :tocry

I only really know the DC side of things though I've been trying to keep up with Spider-man.

- Batman's origin still has trappings of Year One but basically in Batman's first year, he encounters the Red Hood Gang (led by a pre-Joker Joker, as in DCU past) and dumps him into the vat of chemicals. Then Riddler takes over the city and turns it into a cross between I Am Legend and Gladiator. Then Batman beats his ass in the ultimate riddle or something. Read Batman: Zero Year, it's better than I make it out to be.

- Doc Ock was Spider-man for a bit after taking over Peter's body but Peter's mind was still there and Ock was going "I am the SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN! I'm way better than that other loser! Also I'll add Doc Ock's robo tentacles to my costume THAT WON'T BE SUSPICIOUS OR ANYTHING!" To Ock's credit he does manage to fool the dumbasses in Avengers into thinking he's really Peter. But then Peter pulls some Obi-Wan Kenobi shit after Ock hesitates saving some chick and Ock was all like "Peter, YOU are the superior Spider-man! I've basically been buttfucking your life for the past few months but now I'll take my leave, kthx." Then Peter shows up to stop Green Goblin who knew Ock was Spider-man, but then Peter cracks a wise about Gobby carrying a purse and Gobby goes "OMG it's the real Spider-man!" and Peter replies "The one and only." Which would be pretty badass but the current Spider-man event is called "Spider-verse" where there's LITERALLY A BILLION OTHER SPIDER-MEN AND WOMEN MEETING UP.

- The new Thor is a new character from my understanding. Old Thor can no longer lift Mjolnir because reasons (editorial.)

- Arkham isn't at Wayne Manor to my knowledge? But it has been taken over by the inmates. Batwing and Spectre (or rather Spectre's human vessel) were investigating it last I checked and got sucked into some hell dimension beneath it where this random character who found Joker's cut off face and is calling herself "the Joker's Daughter" (literally the worst idea by DC in the past 10 years, at least) is serving whoever is running things (they revealed who it was I just forgot.)

Read Batman (monthly, only Batman for the most part, a new storyline called Endgame just kicked off last issue) and Batman Eternal (weekly, involves the entire Bat-family and the lower-grade rogues, about halfway through its 52-issue run) if you want to stay caught up.

ALSO btw Alfred's niece is running the Batcave and stuff in Gotham and she's like a 007 agent or some type shit. ALSO Lex Luthor is on the Justice League AND knows Bruce is Batman. ALSO Dick Grayson the original Robin/Nightwing is presumed dead but that's just a cover he's a spy for this group called Spyral (so clever) and his series Grayson is actually really fucking awesome. ALSO I think Damian Wayne might be back or something, haven't been keeping up with Batman & Robin but Batman went to Apokolips cause that's where his body was for reasons (???)

Aside from seeing the Squirrel Girl news which is  :lol

WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON IN THESE COMICS NOWADAYS!!


Apparently Batman has a new origin or something, Peter was Doc Occ, there is a female thor (not a gender bent version of male thor), Arkham Asylum is now at Wayne Manor, plus some other stuff my mind cannot begin to wrap around ?

:mindblown

what the fuck is goin on?

Any help here  :tocry

Spider-Man stuff:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
In brief, A dying Doctor Octopus mind-swaps with Spider-Man.  Spider-Man tries his best to get his body back, but in the end dies and convinces Ock to be a good guy, with great comes responsibility and all that.  Ock does do super heroics, but with an arrogant, mad inventor-like twist.  He also makes a number of Peter Parker/Spider-Man's friends hate him, gets a PhD, and starts his own company after being somewhat responsible for the lab he worked at being shut down.  While this is happening, the Green Goblin returns and builds up an army (literally) underground.  Part of Peter Parker is also still inside his original body, and he fights Ock for control, but loses and appears to be "erased".  However there's hints that he still exists and at the end of Superior Spider-Man, Ock realizes that he cannot beat the Green Goblin and erases himself from Peter's body, restoring Spider-Man back to normal.  Peter sends the Goblin packing but his life is now completely different and Amazing is focusing on the fallout from everything that happened. 
[close]

During all this, Spider-Man 2099 goes back to the present day and gets trapped there.  He's now working at the corporation he fights in the future and keeping tabs on his evil grandfather.  He got his own new series recently.

On top of all that, a major retcon was done regarding Spider-Man's origin.  He now was not the only one bitten by the radioactive spider.  A female classmate was too, but she was locked away to prevent some major bad buy (Morlun, who apparently hunts down "spider avatars" and devours their souls or whatever) from finding her.  Spider-Man finds her and now she's a superhero called "Silk."  They also have some animal-like attraction between themselves and keep wanting to screw when close to each other.

The event Andrex was talking about, Edge Of Spider-Verse, relates to Morlun and his family.  They're going all over the multi-verse killing various versions of Spider-Man.  Edge is just the prequel to the Spider-Verse event and features Doc Ock Spidey gathering various Spider-Man characters in attempt to combat Morlun.  (This part of it takes place before the end of Superior)  It also has one-shot books focusing on various alternate versions of Spider-Man.  The one getting all the attention is a Spider-Woman who is actually Gwen Stacy in an alternate universe.  Marvel is going to be giving her a series, because Spider-Woman, Arachne, and Silk were not enough, it seems.

i kinda want a little more of the edge of the spider verse.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
seeing amazing friends spidey and crew and unlimited spidey get killed
[close]
feels odd, yet hilarious

....

.....

 :mindblown :larry :dayum :beli :what :ohhh :snoop


and that's not even counting the others like Supes, Wonder woman, Batman's crew/rogue's gallery, Cap, X-men, Hulk, Deadpool, etc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 12, 2014, 02:15:14 PM
It's comics, man. Nerd-approved soap operas.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 12, 2014, 02:28:19 PM
i dont care for spock and the dome of stupid he created, but edge is pretty cool so far. until they start killing off my girls anyway
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 12, 2014, 02:45:35 PM
I still wish that SpOck had stuck around and we got the original Spider-Man back, too.  (Via a clone body or whatever)  Would have been fun having an evil Spider-Man running around, especially since Venom is no longer a bad guy and Carnage is nothing like him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yulwei on October 12, 2014, 02:54:30 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Z4kagd7.jpg)

between this and multiversity, im excited for the future

then again, i love multiversal crossovers like this. its almost a guarantee to get me to pick up issues. (amalgam 3 when?)

(http://i.imgur.com/fQEGVqc.gif)

This looks awesome! I am so fucking hyped for that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 12, 2014, 03:32:36 PM
Superior Spiderman was fucking amazing. I don't think I've ever had so much fun reading a comic series. Fuck Peter Parker.

whack opinions and all that
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2014, 01:42:50 PM
venom is a terrible character and villain

Now that I'm not 10 it's time to face the facts
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 13, 2014, 01:45:07 PM
venom is a terrible character and villain

Now that I'm not 10 it's time to face the facts

Remender's run was great though
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 13, 2014, 01:48:59 PM
venom is a terrible character and villain

Now that I'm not 10 it's time to face the facts

anti venom was better

then someone felt the need to off him and ruin eddie brocks progression.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on October 13, 2014, 01:49:33 PM
I like anti-venom
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2014, 02:12:29 PM
I feel like Venom is good when used as a plot device for something else. Kind of like Bane.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 13, 2014, 04:23:32 PM
I feel like Venom is good when used as a plot device for something else. Kind of like Bane.

bane is actually a good well rounded character. was anyway, i dont know what their doing with him since the reboot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 13, 2014, 04:52:40 PM
double
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on October 13, 2014, 09:02:59 PM
(http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f61/jonathan_nz/venomlol.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2014, 11:49:51 PM
I feel like Venom is good when used as a plot device for something else. Kind of like Bane.

bane is actually a good well rounded character. was anyway, i dont know what their doing with him since the reboot

He's definitely much better than Venom, at least.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 14, 2014, 12:23:46 AM
I read the two issue DC arc that came out recently where Wonder Woman goes into Gotham and cleans shit up.

Felt like the biggest missed opportunity ever. Shit could have been incredible, but they wrap everything up in like 3 panels at the end.

gotham is fucked. wonder woman would have attracted wonder woman like threats to it. it is a hive of scum and villainy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 14, 2014, 08:09:42 AM
venom is a terrible character and villain

Now that I'm not 10 it's time to face the facts

You can't post this and then say that you like Anti-Venom.   :P

Original bad-guy Venom was awesome.   Anti-hero Venom was not.  Carnage was unnecessary.  Much later on, Mac Gargan fucked-up Scorpion-Venom was OK and pretty cool during Dark Reign as fake Spider-Man.

Flash Thompson 'Military' Venom is OK with me.  I don't think he should be in Guardians Of The Galaxy, however. 

then someone felt the need to off him and ruin eddie brocks progression.

Then they took Eddie Brock and turned him into Toxin.   :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2014, 12:22:36 AM
Read Invincible Iron Man: Extremis 6-party by Warren Ellis.  Was fine.  Nice art, not a lot of dialogue, popcorn story & action.  Since there's only like 6 other issues in the series and if they're anything like the first 6 and take 5 mins to read each, I'll just finish this run of Iron Man out.

Going to read the rest of Remender's Uncanny X-Force and the connected Age of Apocalypse and Wolverine and the X-men soonish, but taking a break from all this X-stuff.


Starting up Planet Hulk now because I'm sick of reading good comics and with everyone talking about Civil War I want to blast through the last decade of big dumb MARVEL EVENTS so I can stop getting accidentally spoiled all the time.  I want to do it chronologically so planning on reading this over the next couple of months:

Planet Hulk
Avengers Disassembled
Cosmic Marvel (which I get is pretty separate and takes place all throughout the 2004-2011 arcs, but just gonna read it all when it starts)
House of M
Civil War
World War Hulk
Secret Invasion -> Dark Reign
Age of X
Avengers vs X-men
Axis
Avengers/New Avengers -> prep for next year's Secret War


When I get burnt out on that stuff I'll read some more short arcs of good comics.  There's some stuff I want to get to, like reading all 700 issues of Amazing Spiderman and starting Superior Spiderman, reading the Bendis good Daredevil stuff that's extremely wordy, Deadpool, Avengers Academy -> Avengers Arena, reading the good Fantastic Four arcs, Black Panther arcs, waiting on Hawkeye 2012 to finish and reading it straight through since the team's Immortal Iron Fist was super fantastic.

Pretty happy with the Marvel Unlimited year sub for $60, getting a looooot milage out of this and now I'm starting to understand what's going on in comic world on the Marvel side, which should make me more interested in the Marvel movies/tv shows as well.

Btw, what's Earth 616?


Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 16, 2014, 12:35:17 AM
Read Invincible Iron Man: Extremis 6-party by Warren Ellis.  Was fine.  Nice art, not a lot of dialogue, popcorn story & action.  Since there's only like 6 other issues in the series and if they're anything like the first 6 and take 5 mins to read each, I'll just finish this run of Iron Man out.

Going to read the rest of Remender's Uncanny X-Force and the connected Age of Apocalypse and Wolverine and the X-men soonish, but taking a break from all this X-stuff.


Starting up Planet Hulk now because I'm sick of reading good comics and with everyone talking about Civil War I want to blast through the last decade of big dumb MARVEL EVENTS so I can stop getting accidentally spoiled all the time.  I want to do it chronologically so planning on reading this over the next couple of months:

Planet Hulk
Avengers Disassembled
Cosmic Marvel (which I get is pretty separate and takes place all throughout the 2004-2011 arcs, but just gonna read it all when it starts)
House of M
Civil War
World War Hulk
Secret Invasion -> Dark Reign
Age of X
Avengers vs X-men
Axis
Avengers/New Avengers -> prep for next year's Secret War


When I get burnt out on that stuff I'll read some more short arcs of good comics.  There's some stuff I want to get to, like reading all 700 issues of Amazing Spiderman and starting Superior Spiderman, reading the Bendis good Daredevil stuff that's extremely wordy, Deadpool, Avengers Academy -> Avengers Arena, reading the good Fantastic Four arcs, Black Panther arcs, waiting on Hawkeye 2012 to finish and reading it straight through since the team's Immortal Iron Fist was super fantastic.

Pretty happy with the Marvel Unlimited year sub for $60, getting a looooot milage out of this and now I'm starting to understand what's going on in comic world on the Marvel side, which should make me more interested in the Marvel movies/tv shows as well.

Btw, what's Earth 616?

616 is the main marvel universe. its where all the major shit goes down.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 16, 2014, 01:13:31 AM
616 = "real" continuity
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 16, 2014, 01:56:12 AM
How are you reading these comics? On an ipad or other tablet. Is it nice that way if so?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on October 16, 2014, 02:08:57 AM
iPad2, yeah it's great.  Only probably is the resolution is so low on the old iPad2 that sometimes you gotta zoom in a little to read clearly and sometimes horizontal spreads are scanned horizontally so you have to zoom in and read it.  Marvel Unlimited is my biggest motivator for upgrading to a iPad Air2 when it comes out, that and the future of mobile jrpgs.

Marvel Unlimited definitely has flaws like horizontal spreads being scanned wrong, or issues that JUST DON'T LOAD on the mobile version (out of 100s of issues I've read this only happened with 1 issue on Old Man Logan and I was able to read it on the web version), and certain series being missing (stuff like Alias which was recommended here and basically everything pre-1998 is often like random issues); but for catching up on post-1998 to present Marvel it's pretty good and I'm definitely getting my money's worth for $60.

616 = "real" continuity

Ah, ok that's what I figured.  Just wondering where the "616" term comes from.  It's kind of a random number.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2014, 06:26:15 AM
http://charlessoule.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/case-closed-on-the-end-of-she-hulk/

Now that Shulkie is a Disney Princess, I don’t know why Marvel doesn’t put more energy into keeping a viable, beloved title more int he public eye! :maf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2014, 06:59:29 PM
Damian's back and he has superpowers, fuck everything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Raban on October 25, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Anybody post about the Squirrel Girl revival in here? I've long since sworn off comics but I'll happily come back for this
http://popwatch.ew.com/2014/10/06/squirrel-girl-marvel/

Art looks awesome and Marvel released some teaser pages that make it look like innocent, wacky fun.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 25, 2014, 09:49:20 PM
i really hope they have squirrel girl fucking around in her own adventures. away from the standard marvel biz.....hopefully drawn by the allreds in the future. last thing she needs is to be drawn into the other shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 26, 2014, 11:22:30 AM
http://charlessoule.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/case-closed-on-the-end-of-she-hulk/

Now that Shulkie is a Disney Princess, I don’t know why Marvel doesn’t put more energy into keeping a viable, beloved title more int he public eye! :maf

Can't say I'm not surprised.  She-Hulk books never seem to last.  I would have read this book but the artwork turned me right off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yulwei on October 26, 2014, 11:34:54 AM
Christ, that does looks bad. I would still take that over Greg Land's garbage though. Don't know how that dude keeps getting work.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on October 26, 2014, 12:15:12 PM
Damian's back and he has superpowers, fuck everything.

Comic books breh  :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on October 26, 2014, 12:45:21 PM
http://charlessoule.wordpress.com/2014/10/24/case-closed-on-the-end-of-she-hulk/

Now that Shulkie is a Disney Princess, I don’t know why Marvel doesn’t put more energy into keeping a viable, beloved title more int he public eye! :maf

Can't say I'm not surprised.  She-Hulk books never seem to last.  I would have read this book but the artwork turned me right off.

I dropped when Wimberly filled in for 2 issues and never picked it back up. It was that bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 26, 2014, 05:21:00 PM
Christ, that does looks bad. I would still take that over Greg Land's garbage though. Don't know how that dude keeps getting work.

he must have dirt on marvel higher ups
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2014, 07:11:04 PM
Damian's back and he has superpowers, fuck everything.

(http://i.imgur.com/Fv8wkZG.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 26, 2014, 08:33:39 PM
to the batjaeger!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: toku on October 26, 2014, 08:49:45 PM
What's Damien's powers?

Probably magical kung-fu
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 26, 2014, 09:51:09 PM
The teaser image implied that he was bullet-proof.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on October 26, 2014, 10:24:02 PM
Would be hilarious if it turned out Superman was his father
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 27, 2014, 01:24:03 AM
Would be hilarious if it turned out Superman was his father

wouldnt be the first time supes would be a maury candidate
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 28, 2014, 05:34:35 PM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/27/rumor-batman-robin-director-joel-schumacher-to-finish-his-batman-trilogy-in-a-comic-book

:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 29, 2014, 09:04:48 AM
http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/10/27/rumor-batman-robin-director-joel-schumacher-to-finish-his-batman-trilogy-in-a-comic-book

:rofl

(http://guycodeblog.mtv.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/beavis-spitting.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 29, 2014, 10:20:39 AM
This could give Batman: Odyssey a run for it's money.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on October 30, 2014, 12:29:59 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1MsYFyCQAAZTEn.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on October 30, 2014, 12:39:07 PM
they're putting in a lot of work to fold Ultimate Universe into 616
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on October 30, 2014, 12:39:46 PM
Its like marvel wants you to hate the shit out of them
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 31, 2014, 09:03:07 AM
Nobody mentioned the death of Wolverine.  I don't see anything posted about it either, so I guess nobody cares.   :lol  Wonder how long he'll stay dead for...will it even be a year? 

So how did Wolverine meet his demise?  Well, you can go ahead and ignore the first three issues of the four-issue Death of Wolverine limited series.  They're absolutely pointless and have almost nothing to do with the fourth issue.   :clap ::)  They're about Wolverine getting attacked by various villains because he has a bounty on his head.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
In #4, Wolverine makes his way to TOP-SECRET WEAPON X-STYLE FACILITY #49823894923 and finds Dr. Cornelius, the same guy who gave him adamantium, working to try to produce more Wolverine-like soldiers, and constantly failing.  The doctor is much older and crazier now, telling Wolverine that attempts always fail because no one has a healing factor to withstand the process, but that there's a small tolerance built up within the body that he's extracting to create a healing factor-style serum from.  He wants Wolverine's healing factor to complete this, hence the bounty from earlier.  Wolverine shows him that his healing factor his gone, so the doc gets some enhanced armored flunky we've never seen to try to kill Wolverine, which fails.  Wolverine chases the doctor and in the process dumps a vat of liquid adamantium on himself to stop it from being bonded to the test subjects, chases the doctor, who dies from shrapnel from a broken window (lol) and then drops to his knees in the sun and dies, 'frozen' within the metal like Han Solo was in Star Wars.  LOL if he gets revived in a similar way.  :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 31, 2014, 01:26:46 PM
So Jean is gonna come back and resurrect him now, right? Just to stick it to Scott.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 31, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
:lol
There is no burn like a Phoenix burn.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 31, 2014, 01:45:42 PM
:lol
There is no burn like a Phoenix burn.

Cyclops is my favorite comic book character of all time, but I still think that would be pretty awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 31, 2014, 02:02:33 PM
Does anyone even give a shit about any comic characters death? The always come back.

Everyone except for...

So Jean is gonna come back and resurrect him now, right? Just to stick it to Scott.

Jean!   :lol  Although we have time-displaced Jean Grey instead, who along with the younger Beast, Iceman, and Angel, are all trapped in the Ultimate universe.  The last issue of All-New X-Men was a Jean/Miles Morales team-up, which translates to DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE DIALOGUE and nothing else, because Bendis!

One theory I could see happening that cleans up the "mess" left by Schism/AvX relates to the time-displaced X-Men.  What if they have them all return to their own time, with their memories intact, and choose to do things differently?  Then suddenly you get a completely different present time with Wolverine, Prof. X, and even Jean Grey back alive with everyone living happily in New York again. 

Probably an unlikely scenario.  I see Wolverine coming back from someone injecting his corpse with some shit that restarts his healing factor, or even cheesier, it restarts on his own and he comes back from the dead.  Something stupid like that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 31, 2014, 02:21:53 PM
Phoenix Force invades Wolvie.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on October 31, 2014, 04:00:51 PM
Phoenix Force invades Wolvie.

LOL, been done already.

(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/7/78977/3059688-dark+phoenix+wolverine.jpg)

:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on October 31, 2014, 04:03:00 PM
At this point, what hasn't been done already?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on October 31, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
Phoenix Force invades Wolvie.

LOL, been done already.

:dead

:dead

Fuck me to tears.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on October 31, 2014, 06:12:59 PM
If any Boreans are at Comikazi this weekend you should come check out our swank ass booth @ #812. You can use our phone charger brehs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on November 03, 2014, 11:41:14 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/Q2fTlCc.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 03, 2014, 11:50:43 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1MsYFyCQAAZTEn.jpg)

Oh this is rich
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 03, 2014, 02:21:12 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1iXzxwCcAIbMty.jpg)

 :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 03, 2014, 03:59:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Q2fTlCc.jpg)

please give us 90s x factor havok.

please
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 04, 2014, 01:25:54 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/Q2fTlCc.jpg)

Um...

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/49/X-Men_Forever_1_cover.jpg)

 ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 04, 2014, 01:32:14 PM
(http://Marvel has released their latest teaser image exclusively to Comicbook.com, offering the possible return of the early 90’s-era X-Men team. Anchored by Wolverine, Cyclops, Storm, Jubilee, Beast, Jean Grey, and lots (and lots) of pouches, the X-Men of the early 90s were one of the franchise’s most prevalent in pop culture. X-Men #1, published in 1991, still holds the world record for the highest-selling comic with almost four million copies sold, and X-Men the animated series, which ran from 1992 to 1997, still remains a fan-favorite take on the characters.)

How is that they've fucked up the team line-up?  Here's the classic X-Men 1991 #1 cover:

(http://www.mylatestdistraction.com/mylatestdistraction/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/X-Men_1_1991_20th_Anniversary.jpg)

That team is supposed to be Cyclops, Wolverine, Beast, Gambit, Rogue, and Psylocke (with Jubilee sometimes there).   Storm, Bishop, Jean Grey, Iceman, Archangel, and Collosus were on the other team.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Gundam on November 04, 2014, 01:39:51 PM
It looks a lot like the early 90's animated series team minus Beast and Jean.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 04, 2014, 03:11:27 PM
That's because it is the animated series team.

The show started in 92.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on November 04, 2014, 03:33:38 PM
all these teasers look so much cooler than whatever secret war bullshit we're really going to get  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 06, 2014, 08:52:15 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKyfgWflKpw&html5=1#t=64

i wonder what the other occupied lands are.

and attilan rising and the end ultimate sharing a land? is the end of the ultimate universe? or will that dying corpse kick out of the pin one more time with even less characters?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on November 06, 2014, 11:17:31 PM
I feel like the Ultimate universe has "ended" five or six times by now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 06, 2014, 11:38:35 PM
I feel like the Ultimate universe has "ended" five or six times by now.

theyve tried to take it down, but it keeps coming back

releasing the loeb critically wounded it, but it came back

616 galactus? took out many heroes, but still somehow rocking

this will probably leave it so the only hero on the planet will be miles if it survives
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2014, 12:41:47 AM
Ok, been reading and still reading 2010-2012 era mutant universe for the last month or two. 

Read:

Age of Apocalypse (2011) - Whatever spinoff that was ok, just totally forgettable.

Wolverine & The X-Men: Alpha & Omega - Nice little Quentin Quire/Wolverine story.  In retrospect I'm gaining a lot more respect for the Morrison New X-men run because the characters he introduced are being made so much better by other people down the line (Fantomex, Quire, etc...)

Wolverine & The X-men (2010-2012 run) - Somewhere around issue 15-20 now in the run.  Just past the Avengers v X-men event.  Now I see the problem with "events" as if you're only reading one series like this, the story makes little sense and every issue it's like 3 months and tons of events have passed and people are referencing all kinds of shit you have no idea about.  Doesn't help that from what I can tell this A v X event was pretty freaking stupid.  The PHOENIX X-MEN was the dumbest thing I've seen in a while.  Brain is kind of melted at this point; thinking of taking a break from comics and going back to real books.

Uncanny X-Force - Around issue 25 or so now.  Still excellent and will probably finish this up soon.  Then finish up Wolverine & The X-men.


It's a little weird reading all the Wolverine & The X-men, X-Force side of things but not reading Uncanny X-men or having read anything post Whedon run until 2010.  It's like between where Morrison/Whedon leaves off with Scott & Emma running the school and where I jump back in in 2012, Scott's gone off with half the X-men to form Utopia with Magneto and somehow Wolverine and Scott got really mad at each other and Wolverine and the other half of the X-men open the Jean Grey school.  And Xavier is somewhere and when he shows back up in Wolverine & the X-men he's now back to walking again...ok. 

Part of me wants to read the whole 2004-2010 era X-men to see this unfold (even though everyone says it sucks) and fill in the gap after I finish Wolverine & The X-men/X-force.  But the other part of me goes "oh fuck it takes FOREVER to parse through all these issues with multiple series running at the same time with dozens of issues each and everything is somewhat related" as I'm seeing with the Wolverine/X-force stuff.  So it'll probably be a backlog thing to read someday when I run out of other stuff.


Oh and I also read Planet Hulk - Which was satisfying and the ending was nice until the final twist which was fucked up bs just to trigger World War Hulk; super lame.  Down to read WWK though now because I like this Hulk and his intergalactic companions.

So yeah, plan is still to finish the Wolverine/X-force stuff (probably take another month at this rate) then read all the Marvel events from 2004 to present so that I have a good grip on the Marvel timeline when I read separate series that take place during or between these events.  Then read some new characters like Daredevil, Captain America, Black Panther and then maybe fill in the X-men gap.  I'd like to read the whole run of Amazing Spiderman but I don't have the time, so I'll try to find some short and good Spiderman arcs and read those.

Between X-force and all the various X-men stuff, I really like what they've done with Wolverine.  Probably the best character in Marvel Universe from what I'm reading.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 10, 2014, 08:42:03 AM
Bebpo, follow-up Uncanny X-Force with Uncanny Avengers-- it's the "sequel" series!

Speaking of Wolverine, let's talk about Death of Wolverine: The Weapon X Program, another of the multiple spin-off books following Logan's death.  This one is a direct follow-up to Death Of Wolverine #4, taking place in the same Weapon X facility that Logan destroyed.  The plot revolves around several test subjects regaining consciousness and taking out the clean-up squad that comes in following DOW #4.  The big reveal that's already pissing off people has to do with the main character, Sharp:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sharp wears a gas mask throughout the entire comic and keeps having flashbacks to various old wars, like WWI, WWII, and 'NAM.  I would describe his appearance as "Star Lord with brown hair," yet at the end of the book, he removes the mask and has Logan's face/hair
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:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on November 10, 2014, 12:59:43 PM
You should read the Age of X mini-event. It's one of my favourite recent X-Men events.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Age_of_x.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 13, 2014, 01:30:29 AM
Superior Iron Man
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Asshole Tony Stark giving people a taste of physical and mental perfection via a smartphone app only to take it away as part of a limited trial to renew for $99.99?
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Sign me up  :heh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2014, 02:28:37 AM
Batman #36, this whole arc is gonna be some cool shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 13, 2014, 09:20:28 AM
Superior Iron Man
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Asshole Tony Stark giving people a taste of physical and mental perfection via a smartphone app only to take it away as part of a limited trial to renew for $99.99?
[close]

Sign me up  :heh

It's too bad they couldn't call the book "Asshole Iron Man."   :lol

This and All-New Captain America came out this week.  I don't like how Marvel handled the backstories for these new books.  The Captain America stuff with what happened to Steve Rogers is a complicated mess, as is the new Nomad, and Tony Stark staying as a 'villain' from what happened in Axis is weird...since that storyline isn't over yet and in fact has really just started.   
:dizzy

I'm finally all caught up on Uncanny Avengers, which is where Axis started. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Basically the event centers around the revived-Nazi-era-Red Skull-who-stole-Prof. X's brain-and-now-has-his-powers getting killed by Magneto after it is discovered that the Skull has created camps in Genosha to herd (and presumably kill) mutants into.  This reminds Magneto of WWII and he loses it, only after the Skull is killed, he is revived as Onslaught.  Red Onslaught uses his mental powers to fuck with the entire world, making good people bad, but something sort of fucks up and bad people suddenly turn good.
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While the story has been pretty stupid, I like the hero/villain reversal that has been going on.  Could make for some interesting stories as Superior Iron Man is showing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on November 13, 2014, 01:29:50 PM
Superior Iron Man
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Asshole Tony Stark giving people a taste of physical and mental perfection via a smartphone app only to take it away as part of a limited trial to renew for $99.99?
[close]

Sign me up  :heh

It's too bad they couldn't call the book "Asshole Iron Man."   :lol

This and All-New Captain America came out this week.  I don't like how Marvel handled the backstories for these new books.  The Captain America stuff with what happened to Steve Rogers is a complicated mess, as is the new Nomad, and Tony Stark staying as a 'villain' from what happened in Axis is weird...since that storyline isn't over yet and in fact has really just started.   
:dizzy

I'm finally all caught up on Uncanny Avengers, which is where Axis started. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Basically the event centers around the revived-Nazi-era-Red Skull-who-stole-Prof. X's brain-and-now-has-his-powers getting killed by Magneto after it is discovered that the Skull has created camps in Genosha to herd (and presumably kill) mutants into.  This reminds Magneto of WWII and he loses it, only after the Skull is killed, he is revived as Onslaught.  Red Onslaught uses his mental powers to fuck with the entire world, making good people bad, but something sort of fucks up and bad people suddenly turn good.
[close]

While the story has been pretty stupid, I like the hero/villain reversal that has been going on.  Could make for some interesting stories as Superior Iron Man is showing.

Who else has gotten polarities reversed? I've only heard about

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Iron Man being a capitalistic dick, and Carnage becoming a murderous anti-hero (kind of like a psychotic Punisher?)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 13, 2014, 03:22:26 PM
Superior Iron Man
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Asshole Tony Stark giving people a taste of physical and mental perfection via a smartphone app only to take it away as part of a limited trial to renew for $99.99?
[close]

Sign me up  :heh

It's too bad they couldn't call the book "Asshole Iron Man."   :lol

This and All-New Captain America came out this week.  I don't like how Marvel handled the backstories for these new books.  The Captain America stuff with what happened to Steve Rogers is a complicated mess, as is the new Nomad, and Tony Stark staying as a 'villain' from what happened in Axis is weird...since that storyline isn't over yet and in fact has really just started.   
:dizzy

I'm finally all caught up on Uncanny Avengers, which is where Axis started. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Basically the event centers around the revived-Nazi-era-Red Skull-who-stole-Prof. X's brain-and-now-has-his-powers getting killed by Magneto after it is discovered that the Skull has created camps in Genosha to herd (and presumably kill) mutants into.  This reminds Magneto of WWII and he loses it, only after the Skull is killed, he is revived as Onslaught.  Red Onslaught uses his mental powers to fuck with the entire world, making good people bad, but something sort of fucks up and bad people suddenly turn good.
[close]

While the story has been pretty stupid, I like the hero/villain reversal that has been going on.  Could make for some interesting stories as Superior Iron Man is showing.

Who else has gotten polarities reversed? I've only heard about

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Iron Man being a capitalistic dick, and Carnage becoming a murderous anti-hero (kind of like a psychotic Punisher?)
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The problem is that we don't entirely know.   :lol  Carnage and Hobgoblin have books about being "good guys" (debatable in Carnage's case!) and then you have dickhead Iron Man and Falcon Captain America somewhat affected.  But their solo books are ahead of the Axis mini series.  #4 does show that a number of Avengers are affected, notably Thor, and most of the X-Men, too.  The Hulk has also gotten sad, which turned him into...Kulh
:dead

The two superheroes unaffected by all this are Spider-Man and Nova.  In the X-Men's case, Axis #4 has
spoiler (click to show/hide)
the Uncanny Avengers breaking up and Havok and crew going back to the X-Men, who join with Cyclops and co. to stand side by side with Genesis, who now looks like an adult Apocalypse.  The only one who seems to be opposed is Magneto.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 13, 2014, 04:53:20 PM
Well scratch that- Axis 5 is out and makes things more clear.  Falcon-Captain America is a huge dick and uses pym particles to shrink down a huge number of Avengers who weren't affected by Red Onslaught.  Spidey and Nova escape. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 13, 2014, 05:06:24 PM
Kulh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on November 13, 2014, 05:39:38 PM
Good: DC's "band aid" project for their spring move from NY to LA, Convergence, goes back to the beloved re-New 52 versions of characters with some of the original great teams that wrote them.

Bad: It's being run and plotted by the infamous hack Scott Lobdell, who ruined Teen Titans so bad they had to reboot it AGAIN after his New 52 run ended as a colossal failure. (Seriously, it went back to #1 again. For the second time in three years.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 13, 2014, 06:06:36 PM
It's too bad they couldn't call the book "Asshole Iron Man."   :lol

This and All-New Captain America came out this week.  I don't like how Marvel handled the backstories for these new books.  The Captain America stuff with what happened to Steve Rogers is a complicated mess, as is the new Nomad, and Tony Stark staying as a 'villain' from what happened in Axis is weird...since that storyline isn't over yet and in fact has really just started.   
:dizzy

I'm finally all caught up on Uncanny Avengers, which is where Axis started. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Basically the event centers around the revived-Nazi-era-Red Skull-who-stole-Prof. X's brain-and-now-has-his-powers getting killed by Magneto after it is discovered that the Skull has created camps in Genosha to herd (and presumably kill) mutants into.  This reminds Magneto of WWII and he loses it, only after the Skull is killed, he is revived as Onslaught.  Red Onslaught uses his mental powers to fuck with the entire world, making good people bad, but something sort of fucks up and bad people suddenly turn good.
[close]

While the story has been pretty stupid, I like the hero/villain reversal that has been going on.  Could make for some interesting stories as Superior Iron Man is showing.

tony starks default form is douchebag though. it was kind of a mistake to turn falcon into cap around this time, hes being made to look like a real idiot.

The problem is that we don't entirely know.   :lol  Carnage and Hobgoblin have books about being "good guys" (debatable in Carnage's case!) and then you have dickhead Iron Man and Falcon Captain America somewhat affected.  But their solo books are ahead of the Axis mini series.  #4 does show that a number of Avengers are affected, notably Thor, and most of the X-Men, too.  The Hulk has also gotten sad, which turned him into...Kulh
:dead

The two superheroes unaffected by all this are Spider-Man and Nova.  In the X-Men's case, Axis #4 has
spoiler (click to show/hide)
the Uncanny Avengers breaking up and Havok and crew going back to the X-Men, who join with Cyclops and co. to stand side by side with Genesis, who now looks like an adult Apocalypse.  The only one who seems to be opposed is Magneto.
[close]

im curious why spidey, nova, and those with rogers dont seem to be flipped. was it a close point thing? because i dont see why so many mutants would be going through with evans bs if not flipped
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 13, 2014, 10:11:32 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/p5h5LaZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on November 14, 2014, 12:10:16 AM
the new cap variant is awful and offensive
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 14, 2014, 12:29:00 AM
the new cap variant is awful and offensive

marvels doing a bang up job at making cap falcon look ineffective as steves successor. this axis event has him getting shit on pretty damn hard.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: toku on November 14, 2014, 12:46:24 AM
the new cap variant is awful and offensive

Guess the bore ain't a no flex zone =/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 14, 2014, 02:59:01 AM
the new cap variant is awful and offensive

marvels doing a bang up job at making cap falcon look ineffective as steves successor. this axis event has him getting shit on pretty damn hard.

I give his run 10-12 issues before Steve returns but not before Sam is vilified for this Axis fuckery after being on the job for a grand total 5 minutes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 14, 2014, 03:42:17 AM
the new cap variant is awful and offensive

marvels doing a bang up job at making cap falcon look ineffective as steves successor. this axis event has him getting shit on pretty damn hard.

I give his run 10-12 issues before Steve returns but not before Sam is vilified for this Axis fuckery after being on the job for a grand total 5 minutes

its kinda funny that the inverted x-men are united, but the inverted avengers are all out for themselves. then again, sam has no clout, or skill to try to establish any sort of dominance over the other avengers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 14, 2014, 08:30:08 AM
tony starks default form is douchebag though. it was kind of a mistake to turn falcon into cap around this time, hes being made to look like a real idiot.

How so?  He comes off as pretty confident/strong in Axis and Mighty Avengers #1.  I haven't read All-New Cap yet though. 

im curious why spidey, nova, and those with rogers dont seem to be flipped. was it a close point thing? because i dont see why so many mutants would be going through with evans bs if not flipped

Yes; the ones fighting Red Onslaught got their moral axises flipped (hence the name, I guess), as did a lot of others in the world after Red Onslaught telepathically broadcast a "hate wave."  There is no real explanation as to why a select few were not affected.

Looking at this, Axis almost seems like it's Marvel's take on what DC did with Forever Evil, in a sense.

(http://i.imgur.com/p5h5LaZ.jpg)

Another Joe Madureira late 90s rip-off artist!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on November 14, 2014, 08:30:34 AM
Good: DC's "band aid" project for their spring move from NY to LA, Convergence, goes back to the beloved re-New 52 versions of characters with some of the original great teams that wrote them.

Bad: It's being run and plotted by the infamous hack Scott Lobdell, who ruined Teen Titans so bad they had to reboot it AGAIN after his New 52 run ended as a colossal failure. (Seriously, it went back to #1 again. For the second time in three years.)

Uh-oh.   :-\

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 14, 2014, 11:27:11 AM

How so?  He comes off as pretty confident/strong in Axis and Mighty Avengers #1.  I haven't read All-New Cap yet though. 


axis was the wrong time to make him captain america. if they had given some breathing room prior to, to do things he wouldnt look so ineffective as leader of the avengers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 14, 2014, 11:31:43 AM

How so?  He comes off as pretty confident/strong in Axis and Mighty Avengers #1.  I haven't read All-New Cap yet though. 


axis was the wrong time to make him captain america. if they had given some breathing room prior to, to do things he wouldnt look so ineffective as leader of the avengers.

They know exactly what they're doing, truth be told  :hitler
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on November 15, 2014, 05:08:43 PM
well he's the falcon so he's going to look pretty ineffective doing anything  :hitler
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on November 17, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
http://imgur.com/gallery/RCPYB14

:lol
 :nsfw mildly
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on November 17, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
Good: DC's "band aid" project for their spring move from NY to LA, Convergence, goes back to the beloved re-New 52 versions of characters with some of the original great teams that wrote them.

Bad: It's being run and plotted by the infamous hack Scott Lobdell, who ruined Teen Titans so bad they had to reboot it AGAIN after his New 52 run ended as a colossal failure. (Seriously, it went back to #1 again. For the second time in three years.)

Uh-oh.   :-\

:'(

Maybe... maybe it'll be good? I mean they're bringing back the best version of Tim Drake...

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Batgirl-COLOR-65f6d.jpg)

Unfortunately it's focused on Stephanie Brown. :-\

I just want a new Red Robin solo series with Marcus To art. IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK

(http://i.imgur.com/MJgDHqrl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ygFsveOl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZBvJfcIl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/vPF6gxel.jpg)

:mouf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on November 17, 2014, 05:12:17 PM
well he's the falcon so he's going to look pretty ineffective doing anything  :hitler

 :pacspit
spoiler (click to show/hide)
:tocry
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 17, 2014, 11:53:38 PM
I liked Falcon in The Winter Soldier. You guys are saying the comic version of him sucks?

yes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on November 23, 2014, 02:05:31 AM
I'm reading Ultimatum for shits and giggles, and lordy lordy lord.

(http://i.imgur.com/b5H2nQ0.jpg)

At least it has Boss Cyke.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 23, 2014, 06:19:10 AM
I'm reading Ultimatum for shits and giggles, and lordy lordy lord.

(http://i.imgur.com/b5H2nQ0.jpg)

At least it has Boss Cyke.

i could have saved you the time and told you it was garbage dude
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on November 23, 2014, 06:25:24 AM
Oh I'm only reading it because I know it's garbage. Like watching an Uwe Boll flick. I want to see how badly Loeb fucked this up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on November 23, 2014, 02:00:56 PM
Wait, is that Magneto getting his head blown off by Cyclops? Fucking Magneto? Killed by Cyclops? Say it ain't so.

the ultimate universe is a clusterfuck. and thats the event where the whole universe fell off a cliff and has been rotting in the sun ever since
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on November 23, 2014, 02:50:34 PM
I'm reading Ultimatum for shits and giggles, and lordy lordy lord.

(http://i.imgur.com/b5H2nQ0.jpg)

At least it has Boss Cyke.

i could have saved you the time and told you it was garbage dude

At least it's coherent garbage, unlike Ultimates 3.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on November 25, 2014, 11:14:22 PM
You should read the Age of X mini-event. It's one of my favourite recent X-Men events.

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/7/71/Age_of_x.jpg)

Read this.  Was enjoyable but the ending where it tries to fit into the main franchise was kind of eh.  Would've liked it to just be a spin-off with no connection.  Enjoyed this version of Magneto and Cyclops was very cool.



Alright, now I'm back to just maining the goofiness of Wolverine & The X-men until the run is over and then on to Marvel Events.  Just read the Doop issue and not knowing anything about Doop, that was pretty great!  The part where he has a rock off against Satan for the souls of the X-men students in like 2 panels covering a montage was  :lol

(http://bizarrecomicsonline.com/assets/images/Podcasts/PanelDoopDevil.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on December 01, 2014, 11:46:42 AM
Ok, so I finished Wolverine and the X-men (2011-2014) and it definitely had some ups and downs in arc quality, and the issues wasted on crossover shit made no sense at all since I wasn't reading Uncanny X-men to understand what was going on (A v X, Battle of the Atom), but darn it, by the end of this series I really enjoyed the X-kids.  Quentin Quire who was lame when introduced in Morrison's run, is now a great character, Broo is awesome, Genesis, Kid Gladiator, Idie all good stuff.  I like this crew more than the Young Avengers or Runaways.  Even the Hellfire Club kids who were super annoying, a couple of them not named Kade were all right.   


So now I'm ready to move on to non-Mutant Marvel, but a part of me feels like there's so much X-men that I've missed out on.  Jumping from Morrison -> Whedon -> 6 years later Uncanny X-Force & Wolverine & the X-men, I feel like I've only been reading half the story since I've just been seeing Wolverine & crews side and there's this whole other Cyclops/Utopia side I haven't read anything from.  Hell I don't even know why Wolverine hates Cyclops' guts in Wolverine & the X-men or what caused the split between the two schools.  I know people say Uncanny X-men/X-men is pretty terrible post 2004, and that's a looot of issues between 2004-2014, but kind of feel compelled to see the whole story and what happened to Cyclops.


Or maybe I won't since that's a big commitment.  Now onto some new stuff.  I'm really, really enjoying the Marvel Unlimited sub; probably best $60 I ever spent.  My cardinal rule is that I'm not willing to read anything that hasn't finished because I got enough of that with manga back in the day and hate the pacing of waiting months for a drip of story.  Only exception I made was Thor God of Thunder 1-12 because it's pretty much an entirely self-contained story.  There's some stuff I'm looking forward to reading when it finishes like Hawkeye 2012 by Iron Fist team and Uncanny Avengers by Remender and the Hickman's New Avengers everyone is talking about, but yeah I'll wait until that's all done + 6 months to read on Marvel Unlimited.

If I ever run out of completed stuff, maybe I'll do that Amazing Spiderman run.  Really want to check out Spiderman comics, but there's just so much >_<
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2014, 12:24:49 PM
I wanna get into Miles Spidey, has his Ultimate stuff been good? Gonna check out his new series when that hits next month.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on December 01, 2014, 01:32:24 PM
Beps: do you have the problem of certain comics not loading many times in a row? No joke, last night I was going through some Avengers stuff, and multiple comics in a row failed to load like 9 times in a row. Then I'd get them on the 10th try.

What device are you viewing them on?  Seems to make a big difference.  I've found a few issues (maybe like 3 out of 100) where pages were missing on the iOS version but were there on the web version.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 01, 2014, 02:34:56 PM
I wanna get into Miles Spidey, has his Ultimate stuff been good? Gonna check out his new series when that hits next month.

Personally, it took miles a while for him to stand out for me. His cast
and the people he interacts with  really help him as a character. With recent events however, i say theres a chance he could really grow into something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 03, 2014, 08:28:56 AM
I wanna get into Miles Spidey, has his Ultimate stuff been good? Gonna check out his new series when that hits next month.

It's Bendis, so expect tons and tons of dialogue and an extremely slow pace, but it's a good read.  Only Ultimate line comic worth a damn.  The original series ended with the Ultimate Cataclysm event, but then picked up right where it left off with Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man and Miles is also in the new Ultimates book, which is a spin-off from USM since most of the team are his buddies.  I got bored with it pretty quickly though, then the art went to shit.   :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 03, 2014, 08:47:40 AM
So now I'm ready to move on to non-Mutant Marvel, but a part of me feels like there's so much X-men that I've missed out on.  Jumping from Morrison -> Whedon -> 6 years later Uncanny X-Force & Wolverine & the X-men, I feel like I've only been reading half the story since I've just been seeing Wolverine & crews side and there's this whole other Cyclops/Utopia side I haven't read anything from.  Hell I don't even know why Wolverine hates Cyclops' guts in Wolverine & the X-men or what caused the split between the two schools.  I know people say Uncanny X-men/X-men is pretty terrible post 2004, and that's a looot of issues between 2004-2014, but kind of feel compelled to see the whole story and what happened to Cyclops.

You don't need to go back that far to find out what happened.  I jumped back into comics in 2009 and that's when the X-Men had moved to San Francisco to start the "Nation X" storyline where you had all the mutants, including some former bad guys, all living together on a fallen Asteroid M in the bay. 

You get a couple of crossover storylines, with the most notable being three major arcs revolving around Hope Summers.  (This is where you have the storyline going all Terminator, with Cable taking baby Hope and running away from crazy-ass Bishop, who thinks she's going to be the reason why the future he comes from is so messed up.) 

I'd start from around that point and read that stuff.  Everything else can pretty much be skipped.  The Cyclops/Wolverine falling out happens in another event called "Schism," which leads right into AvX. 

Would also recommend trying X-Force and Uncanny X-Force.  With the exception of some crossover event stories, X-Force is self-contained and leads right into Uncanny X-Force, which in turn leads into Uncanny Avengers.

Quote
If I ever run out of completed stuff, maybe I'll do that Amazing Spiderman run.  Really want to check out Spiderman comics, but there's just so much >_<

Spider-Man is much easier to jump into compared to X-Men and Avengers.   :)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 03, 2014, 09:52:06 AM
I wanna get into Miles Spidey, has his Ultimate stuff been good? Gonna check out his new series when that hits next month.

Personally, it took miles a while for him to stand out for me. His cast
and the people he interacts with  really help him as a character. With recent events however, i say theres a chance he could really grow into something.

I wanna get into Miles Spidey, has his Ultimate stuff been good? Gonna check out his new series when that hits next month.

It's Bendis, so expect tons and tons of dialogue and an extremely slow pace, but it's a good read.  Only Ultimate line comic worth a damn.  The original series ended with the Ultimate Cataclysm event, but then picked up right where it left off with Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man and Miles is also in the new Ultimates book, which is a spin-off from USM since most of the team are his buddies.  I got bored with it pretty quickly though, then the art went to shit.   :-\

Coolio, thanks guys.

Also I think Miles has the coolest Spidey outfit possibly of all time. It looks soooooo cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 03, 2014, 04:15:16 PM
Also I think Miles has the coolest Spidey outfit possibly of all time. It looks soooooo cool.

Alien symbiote costume Spidey is the coolest one.  They initially even gave him a more alien-like appearance...sleeker frame and different looking joints.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 03, 2014, 04:18:52 PM
Symbiote costume looked too much like a gimpsuit the way they drew it. But it's OK.

(http://i.imgur.com/wrDIM5J.png)

Dat V pattern, dat red, DAT HYPE
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 03, 2014, 04:22:26 PM
Symbiote costume looked too much like a gimpsuit the way they drew it. But it's OK.

:what

(http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ASM-252-02.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on December 03, 2014, 04:34:52 PM
ultimatum was fun
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 03, 2014, 04:42:50 PM
Symbiote costume looked too much like a gimpsuit the way they drew it. But it's OK.

:what

(http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ASM-252-02.jpg)

Literally a gimpsuit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 03, 2014, 04:53:45 PM
Gail's return to Secret Six was....weird to say the least.

I'll give it 3-4 more issues or however long this arc will last.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2014, 04:56:43 PM
Gail's return to Secret Six was....weird to say the least.

I'll give it 3-4 more issues or however long this arc will last.

Is that out today? Who's even on the current roster now?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 03, 2014, 06:19:11 PM
Gail's return to Secret Six was....weird to say the least.

I'll give it 3-4 more issues or however long this arc will last.

Is that out today? Who's even on the current roster now?

No "real" roster yet but Catman, Ventriloquist, and Black Alice showed up
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2014, 11:50:09 PM
Gail's return to Secret Six was....weird to say the least.

I'll give it 3-4 more issues or however long this arc will last.

Is that out today? Who's even on the current roster now?

No "real" roster yet but Catman, Ventriloquist, and Black Alice showed up

Hopefully she'll bring Scandal back at some point.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2014, 12:15:13 AM
Also I think Miles has the coolest Spidey outfit possibly of all time. It looks soooooo cool.

2099, breh.

To me, Spidey is the mostly the eyes. It's not a bad costume to me, but it's also not Spidey enough.

Miles is the perfect blend of classicness and fresh style.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2014, 01:16:25 AM
Btw guys just holy fucking FUCKING FUCKING SHIT

GRAYSON IS GODDAMN GOOD

It's so good that even my standard Andrex™ hyperbole isn't sufficient to describe it. It's literally as good as a comic can be, especially the Future's End issue and the latest one (#5.)

THE ART IS SO GOOD TOO

But the writing, my fucking god. GOD

GOOOOOOOD

THIS IS SO GOOD
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on December 04, 2014, 05:30:42 AM
Beps: do you have the problem of certain comics not loading many times in a row? No joke, last night I was going through some Avengers stuff, and multiple comics in a row failed to load like 9 times in a row. Then I'd get them on the 10th try.

What device are you viewing them on?  Seems to make a big difference.  I've found a few issues (maybe like 3 out of 100) where pages were missing on the iOS version but were there on the web version.

Windows 7 PC, Chrome as the browser. I tried Firefox, but got the same problem.

Hmmm, can't help you there.  The couple of times I've used it in Chrome it's worked.  I think I had to turn off ad-block/script-block stuff.  Maybe even use Firefox.  The web browser is really, really terrible.  I only enjoy Marvel Unlimited since I can use the iOS tablet app.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 04, 2014, 07:50:22 AM
Btw guys just holy fucking FUCKING FUCKING SHIT

GRAYSON IS GODDAMN GOOD

It's so good that even my standard Andrex™ hyperbole isn't sufficient to describe it. It's literally as good as a comic can be, especially the Future's End issue and the latest one (#5.)

THE ART IS SO GOOD TOO

But the writing, my fucking god. GOD

GOOOOOOOD

THIS IS SO GOOD

a few months ago i was reading 0 DC comics because they're mostly garbage NuMetal Nu52 grim n gritty w/ the horrid house style art

now i'm reading Arkham Manor, Grayson, Gotham Academy, Multiversity and Secret Six (I miss this Gail Simone)

Grayson is that good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 04, 2014, 07:59:11 AM
Symbiote costume looked too much like a gimpsuit the way they drew it. But it's OK.

:what

(http://www.chasingamazingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/ASM-252-02.jpg)

Literally a gimpsuit.

If that's a "gimpsuit," then so is Miles' costume, being that it's also mostly black. 

:what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2014, 10:28:55 AM
If that's a "gimpsuit," then so is Miles' costume, being that it's also mostly black. 

:what

I dunno. Miles suit looks like cloth, the symbiote suit looks like cheap pleather or something. Too shiny.

The Spider-man 3 version is far superior IMO. Uses the same idea of a black suit but actually makes it look cool. The comics version is too basic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2014, 10:32:37 AM
Btw guys just holy fucking FUCKING FUCKING SHIT

GRAYSON IS GODDAMN GOOD

It's so good that even my standard Andrex™ hyperbole isn't sufficient to describe it. It's literally as good as a comic can be, especially the Future's End issue and the latest one (#5.)

THE ART IS SO GOOD TOO

But the writing, my fucking god. GOD

GOOOOOOOD

THIS IS SO GOOD

a few months ago i was reading 0 DC comics because they're mostly garbage NuMetal Nu52 grim n gritty w/ the horrid house style art

now i'm reading Arkham Manor, Grayson, Gotham Academy, Multiversity and Secret Six (I miss this Gail Simone)

Grayson is that good.

It really is. Multiversity sounds amazing too, I'd pick it up if I didn't have so many comics I'm trying (and failing) to keep up with.

Hipster Batgirl also looked great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 04, 2014, 02:20:39 PM
oh yeah, forgot i'm reading that too
she's not really a hipster so much as "young"
she reminds me more of NYU students i see instead of actual scene kids
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 04, 2014, 02:34:36 PM
If that's a "gimpsuit," then so is Miles' costume, being that it's also mostly black. 

:what

I dunno. Miles suit looks like cloth, the symbiote suit looks like cheap pleather or something. Too shiny.

The Spider-man 3 version is far superior IMO. Uses the same idea of a black suit but actually makes it look cool. The comics version is too basic.

 :larry :goty2 :mindblown :gurl :comeon :beli :trash :shaq2 :flabbypd :hitler :brazilcry :what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2014, 02:46:41 PM
oh yeah, forgot i'm reading that too
she's not really a hipster so much as "young"
she reminds me more of NYU students i see instead of actual scene kids

I think the label is more applied cause of her costume and the art style. And some of the writing. But yeah, seemed great.


:larry :goty2 :mindblown :gurl :comeon :beli :trash :shaq2 :flabbypd :hitler :brazilcry :what

Say what you want about SM3 the movie, but they nailed the suit and improved on it.

(http://i.imgur.com/gtudXz5l.jpg)

:mouf

They tried copying the comic but it came out straight trash... Just like the comic. :hitler

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wiBgRp6X0UI/UgErjC4G3kI/AAAAAAAAJM0/zUu8hwhaiBQ/s1600/1012900_307396989406930_2042446986_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 04, 2014, 09:04:26 PM
The whole point of the alien costume is that it's...alien.  It's supposed to look all sleek and strange.  The movie version is literally the same costume...in black.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2014, 09:12:50 PM
It looks like it's out of a BDSM club. Which isn't alien or strange to me, anyways.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 04, 2014, 09:22:33 PM
Btw guys just holy fucking FUCKING FUCKING SHIT

GRAYSON IS GODDAMN GOOD

It's so good that even my standard Andrex™ hyperbole isn't sufficient to describe it. It's literally as good as a comic can be, especially the Future's End issue and the latest one (#5.)

THE ART IS SO GOOD TOO

But the writing, my fucking god. GOD

GOOOOOOOD

THIS IS SO GOOD

a few months ago i was reading 0 DC comics because they're mostly garbage NuMetal Nu52 grim n gritty w/ the horrid house style art

now i'm reading Arkham Manor, Grayson, Gotham Academy, Multiversity and Secret Six (I miss this Gail Simone)

Grayson is that good.

It really is. Multiversity sounds amazing too, I'd pick it up if I didn't have so many comics I'm trying (and failing) to keep up with.

Hipster Batgirl also looked great.

multiversity has been damn good so far


Say what you want about SM3 the movie, but they nailed the suit and improved on it.

(http://i.imgur.com/gtudXz5l.jpg)

:mouf

They tried copying the comic but it came out straight trash... Just like the comic. :hitler

(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wiBgRp6X0UI/UgErjC4G3kI/AAAAAAAAJM0/zUu8hwhaiBQ/s1600/1012900_307396989406930_2042446986_n.jpg)

i wish i could dislike a post
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on December 04, 2014, 09:32:30 PM
whats wrong with a gimp suit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yulwei on December 04, 2014, 09:35:03 PM
Good lord that Ultimatum page wtf

edgy as fuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 04, 2014, 09:58:01 PM
Good lord that Ultimatum page wtf

edgy as fuck

i see ultimatum as a man trying to come to terms with the death of his son.

but he could have vented better than shitting up an entire line.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 09, 2014, 01:43:41 PM
 :drudge

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1616556064/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Satoshi Kon's OPUS is out, please buy and support, gone too soon brehs. Now I know what some of you maybe thinking "junpei get those chinese pictures outta here" But I say to you it's Satoshi Kon.

He has two other books coming out next year as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 10, 2014, 02:08:31 PM
I'm gonna go ahead and say it, Si Spurrier is the new Grant Morrison
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 11, 2014, 10:06:31 AM
Savage Dragon #200 was released this week.  And Eric Larsen celebrated this by having Malcom Dragon's girlfriend move in with him, fuck him silly, then when they get interrupted by his step-sister Angel at the door, his girlfriend convinces her to make it a three way.  Then Malcom and Angel go off and beat the shit out of random bad guys while Malcom remarks that his step sister has "great tits." 

200 issues, folks!

"Are They Going To Call It Savage Dragon #200? Or The Threesome Issue?" (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/going-call-savage-dragon-200-threesome-issue/)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 11, 2014, 10:29:08 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/todays-axis-7-will-retcon-scarlet-witch-quicksilver-forever-spoilers-obviously/

(http://media.giphy.com/media/Ru0JbwLFLchr2/giphy.gif)

really marvel
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 11, 2014, 10:30:52 AM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/todays-axis-7-will-retcon-scarlet-witch-quicksilver-forever-spoilers-obviously/

(http://media.giphy.com/media/Ru0JbwLFLchr2/giphy.gif)

really marvel

We knew this was coming already -they did a teaser image with Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch in front of a "No More Mutants" logo- but this is even more LOL-tastic than thought and fucks up so much previous content.   :lol

This follows the last episode of Agents Of SHIELD season two:

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Where they ended the season-long storyline by having Sky, Ramona, and of course the black agent who doesn't survive and dies get exposed to the terrigen mists and become Inhumans.  And it turns out that Sky is actually the Marvel TV/movie equivalent of SHIELD agent Daisy Johnson, AKA Quake. 
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They are really determined to say "fuck you" to Fox and X-men and make Inhumans a thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2014, 10:36:05 AM
Marvel should just retcon Wolverine into being an Inhuman, lol.  :neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 11, 2014, 10:37:03 AM
Marvel should just retcon Wolverine into being an Inhuman, lol.  :neogaf

I posted a little while back that I wouldn't be surprised if they bring him back this way, then proceed to use this as legal means to bring him into their movies.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 11, 2014, 10:42:14 AM
I don't think anyone would accept a non-Jackman Wolverine (at least, while Jackman Wolverine is still around.) Also FOX would probably go nuclear over it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 11, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
I don't think anyone would accept a non-Jackman Wolverine (at least, while Jackman Wolverine is still around.) Also FOX would probably go nuclear over it.

I don't think Marvel gives a shit so long as they can stick it to Fox in a nice and legal manner.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 11, 2014, 11:17:50 AM
I think FOX would definitely contest it being "legal." You can call a spade a diamond, but that doesn't make it one. Whether Wolverine is an Inhuman or a mutant, he's an X-Man.

Now, if post-resurrection he's exclusively apart of Avengers comics and stories, they might have a case.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2014, 11:22:07 AM
Wolverine's first appearance was in The Incredible Hulk, tho.  :hitler
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 11, 2014, 11:47:37 AM
plz buy opus guys
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on December 11, 2014, 12:08:26 PM
I already didn't really like Tropic of the Sea, so my desire to read an unfinished book by Kon is pretty low.
which is a shame, because I love his films and I was hoping this would be like a Miyazaki thing where he was skilled at both
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 11, 2014, 12:15:17 PM
Wolverine's first appearance was in The Incredible Hulk, tho.  :hitler

And TMNT were in Daredevil, so? :hitler
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 11, 2014, 12:28:14 PM
Marvel should just retcon Wolverine into being an Inhuman, lol.  :neogaf

I posted a little while back that I wouldn't be surprised if they bring him back this way, then proceed to use this as legal means to bring him into their movies.   :lol

They could turn wolverine into a badoon, and they still wont be able to touch him.in the movies.

And the pietro/ wanda thing is a stretch. Max may not be their dad, but that doesnt magically make them inhumans.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on December 11, 2014, 12:33:10 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/12/todays-axis-7-will-retcon-scarlet-witch-quicksilver-forever-spoilers-obviously/

(http://media.giphy.com/media/Ru0JbwLFLchr2/giphy.gif)

really marvel

Rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2014, 02:26:29 PM
Wolverine's first appearance was in The Incredible Hulk, tho.  :hitler

And TMNT were in Daredevil, so? :hitler

But no one would want to ruin a perfectly mediocre TMNT movie by putting Daredevil in it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2014, 04:59:53 AM
It makes complete sense from a creative standpoint. They're following two different groups and have been about two different plot lines that are now merging. Was Avengers supposed to contain both The Illuminati and Cap's team?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yulwei on December 12, 2014, 05:15:57 AM
Just finished the first arc of Remender's Uncanny X-Force (The Apocalypse Solution)

It was really damn good. The relationship between this team is very compelling and I can't wait to see how each character will develop going forward. Fantomex was one of my favorites in Morrison's New X-Men, and I am so happy he's in this run. There was some crazy handwaving in this arc regarding E.V.A. and some of the antagonists, but I do not mind at all because Remender knows what makes a damn good team book and focuses on those things.

I love the writing because it perfectly mixes the the serious, action, funny and even the gross -
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Wade feeding his flesh to Warren to nurse him back to health was one of the grossest/funniest scenes in that whole arc
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- very well.

Just ordered vol 2 and I can't wait till it gets here  8)

Alright, so I got past Infinity; I'm getting kind of deep into New Avengers (issue 17), and now there's an editor's note telling me I need to read the regular Avengers series #28 before this one. But I haven't read Avengers since like #18 or so (and I read those for the purpose of keeping up to date with Infinity). So Avengers Issue 28 makes no sense.

Why can't these series just be their own things? Bouncing back and forth is annoying as fuck. At the very least the series could just be unified. Why have Avengers and New Avengers if they're going to constantly tie in together? Shit is fucking whack. Just do one Avengers series. They're both written by Jonathan Hickman, so the split doesn't even make sense from a creative standpoint. I get to a point in one series where the plot is starting to pick up, and I suddenly get informed that I need to be reading another series to make full sense of it. Fuck this shit.

I agree that comics have a lot of unnecessary tie-in and events bullshit, but in this case it's actually REALLY worth it. The world of Hickman's Avengers is huge, has many different and important players and it would absolutely not fit into a single book unless it went at a glacial pace. I got into the Avengers this year myself and I am glad I followed that "reading order" guide someone posted on another forum I frequent. All the stories in the Avengers and New Avengers are excellent and they really complement each other well. Next year it's when shit will really go down between the two books and it is going to be awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 12, 2014, 06:31:38 AM
I feel the same. I've never followed or really cared about the Avengers, but decided to read it because of Hickman. I downloaded all of it to what was up to date as of I guess October. Read that shit quickly. I could just not put it down. Made me interested in the Marvel universe beyond the X-men. It's just so good. I've gone back and bought all of the issues(save a few) of New and Regular Avengers. Just really good stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2014, 07:28:37 PM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 12, 2014, 09:01:21 PM
:bow The Bill & Ted and Beetlejuice covers :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on December 12, 2014, 10:28:15 PM
I feel the same. I've never followed or really cared about the Avengers, but decided to read it because of Hickman. I downloaded all of it to what was up to date as of I guess October. Read that shit quickly. I could just not put it down. Made me interested in the Marvel universe beyond the X-men. It's just so good. I've gone back and bought all of the issues(save a few) of New and Regular Avengers. Just really good stuff.

Same. I really only read Spidey and X-related comics from Marvel with a few exceptions here and there. But Hickman's Avengers/New Avengers/Avengers World run has really pulled me into the extended universe beyond those books. If it weren't for how completely dogshit Axis has been I'd say Marvel was on a roll in terms of focus and direction.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 12, 2014, 10:47:01 PM
That Free Willy cover is classic  :heh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: toku on December 12, 2014, 10:53:02 PM
Haven't read it in years but I absolutely adored New Avengers back in the mid 00s with Lenil Yu on art. I think he did the first 10 issues or so? You guys should check it out if you havent. Brian Bendis was writing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 14, 2014, 10:02:35 PM
Tried reading Inferno.  Couldn't do it.  Skipped over most of the tie-in stuff, but even the main X-Men/X-Factor issues were just boring.  I don't think I'm a big fan of this era of X-Men.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 14, 2014, 10:49:50 PM
That Magic Mike cover, tho. :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 15, 2014, 01:24:07 AM
Late 80s X-men is so good!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 15, 2014, 09:07:38 AM
Late 80s X-men is so good!

Not a fan of the "the X-Men are 'dead' and living in Australia" adventures.  I like the book after we start getting a lot of Jim Lee/Chris Claremont stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2014, 07:29:47 PM
DC 2015 NEWS (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=57801)

Ending in March:

- Batman Eternal
- Earth 2: World's End
- The New 52: Futures End
- Batwoman
- Swamp Thing
- Green Lantern: New Guardians
- Green Lantern Corps
- Red Lanterns
- Infinity Man and the Forever People
- Secret Origins
- Star Spangled War Stories Featuring G.I. Zombie
- Trinity of Sin
- Worlds' Finest
- Arkham Manor
- Aquaman and the Others
- Klarion
- Injustice: Gods Among Us Year Three

Other info:

- Convergence starts in March at #0
- Batman: Earth One sequel by Geoff Johns, Gary Frank and Jon Sibal starts in May
- Justice League #40 is a prequel issue to Geoff Johns' "The Darkseid War"
- Batman story arc "Endgame" will conclude in March with issue #40 and cross over with Arkham Manor, Detective Comics, Batgirl and Gotham Academy that month
- Green Lantern #40 will bring a "status quo change" that ends the previously mentioned GL books
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 16, 2014, 08:02:54 AM
Wow, the Green Lantern books are getting decimated.  Surprised Sinestro wasn't canceled too.

A little sad to see the New 52: Future's End and Earth 2: World's End series ending.  They've been fun.  Earth 2 much more so than Future's End, but still.  But I guess Earth 2 continues in its monthly.

World's Finest getting canceled is no surprise.  A few months back they completely changed the book up -Power Girl and Huntress returned to Earth 2 and became part of those books- and made it about early stories featuring Superman and Batman teaming up.  The Earth 2 Superman and Batman.  No idea what they were thinking there.  "Let's tell stories about two characters we killed off in Earth 2 #1!"  Although they've already brought Supes back and hinted that Batman may be back too.  :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 16, 2014, 08:10:16 AM
Quote
Vertigo is launching a new anthology miniseries called "Strange Sports Stories," which will include work from former WWE Champion CM Punk, Brian Azzarello, Paul Pope, Gilbert Hernandez, Nick Dragotta and more.

LOL
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2014, 10:16:54 AM
I could never get into the Earth  2 stuff. It seems like it could be a fun universe with what-if stuff, maybe like Ultimate in concept, but DC has none of the commitment necessary to keep the continuity in check like Marvel does with Ultimate. The entire universe can be (and has been) wiped out at a moments notice and then rebooted later on.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 16, 2014, 11:31:51 AM
I could never get into the Earth  2 stuff. It seems like it could be a fun universe with what-if stuff, maybe like Ultimate in concept, but DC has none of the commitment necessary to keep the continuity in check like Marvel does with Ultimate. The entire universe can be (and has been) wiped out at a moments notice and then rebooted later on.

It's not what-if, though, and characters have crossed-over.  If I have this right, there's only one Apokolips/Darkseid/etc. so the stuff happening with them on Earth 2 has an effect of sorts on Earth 1.  It's easy to keep up with since everything is restricted to essentially two books. 

Marvel is the one fucking up with their Ultimate universe.  Ultimatum fucked up everything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2014, 11:59:19 AM
Yeah, there's only one Darkseid. Reading up on it, seems like he steamrolled Earth-2 before moving onto Earth-0?

Also, in reading up on this, "Earth" looks like a really funny word to me now. :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/gDOfNEE.jpg)

Apokolips and New Genesis, among others, exist outside the "multiverse bubble," according to Grant Morrison's ongoing series Multiversity.

Also, Superboy is coming back in March's Teen Titans. Hopefully they undo some of the asinine things Lobdell pulled with him. I want my Red Robin/Superboy bromance damnit!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2014, 12:16:00 AM
I just bought all the issues in The Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul (https://www.comixology.com/Batman-The-Resurrection-of-Ras-al-Ghul/comics-story-arc/225) today, got super nostalgic for pre-New 52 stuff all of a sudden. And man... I miss this Tim Drake. :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 17, 2014, 05:48:49 AM
I just bought all the issues in The Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul (https://www.comixology.com/Batman-The-Resurrection-of-Ras-al-Ghul/comics-story-arc/225) today, got super nostalgic for pre-New 52 stuff all of a sudden. And man... I miss this Tim Drake. :(

they really built a head of steam with ras and red robin, and then just tossed it in the trash for nu52.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 17, 2014, 08:21:55 AM
Yeah, there's only one Darkseid. Reading up on it, seems like he steamrolled Earth-2 before moving onto Earth-0?

Sort of.  Earth 2 #1 starts off as the aftermath of a huge war with Darkseid's forces.  Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are dead as are a lot of other super heroes.  Darkseid still has some forces on earth and new heroes/villains get established, then Darkseid and co. start heading back to Earth again to finish the job, which is where the series is now. 

Also, Superboy is coming back in March's Teen Titans. Hopefully they undo some of the asinine things Lobdell pulled with him. I want my Red Robin/Superboy bromance damnit!

I wonder if it will be the 'original' clone or a new one...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2014, 09:35:35 AM
Batman #37 is out and it's pretty big in scope. Capullo's art is really something to look at, and I don't know how but Snyder's making the Joker even creepier here than in Death of the Family. The first two issues of Endgame were a little more exciting, but I'm still really keyed into where this is all leading to. Joker isn't playing around anymore.

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I'm not convinced this issue and possibly the remaining ones aren't just some fear toxin-induced fever dream after how #36 ended. We'll see I guess. For now Snyder's earned enough of my trust to not pull that shit that I'm assuming it's all real.
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they really built a head of steam with ras and red robin, and then just tossed it in the trash for nu52.

I mean, I can look at the Red Robin series as sort of a climax, but yeah. Tim hasn't had a chance to stretch his legs at all. I don't know if it's actually a rule but I have a feeling DC sort of mandates a Robin being part of the Teen Titans. =/

And I guess it works, I wouldn't be reading TT right now if he wasn't on them.

Sort of.  Earth 2 #1 starts off as the aftermath of a huge war with Darkseid's forces.  Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are dead as are a lot of other super heroes.  Darkseid still has some forces on earth and new heroes/villains get established, then Darkseid and co. start heading back to Earth again to finish the job, which is where the series is now. 

It's a cool premise, though a little dark for what Earth-2 usually is. At least it'll have its own identity without the big three (though you said they brought Supes back...)

I wonder if it will be the 'original' clone or a new one...

Ugh. =/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 17, 2014, 02:23:17 PM
Sort of.  Earth 2 #1 starts off as the aftermath of a huge war with Darkseid's forces.  Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman are dead as are a lot of other super heroes.  Darkseid still has some forces on earth and new heroes/villains get established, then Darkseid and co. start heading back to Earth again to finish the job, which is where the series is now. 

It's a cool premise, though a little dark for what Earth-2 usually is. At least it'll have its own identity without the big three (though you said they brought Supes back...)

That's how it started and was one of the big reasons why I really liked it, but things have kind of been changing lately.

Will spoiler-tag this in case anyone cares:
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Trying to keep this brief, basically all three die saving the world.  Forgot what happened to Supes, Wonder Woman gets stabbed, and Batman blows himself up after detonating a bomb (he has to be the one to trigger it) that stops something from happening.  Can't remember what that is...maybe it was boom tubes.   Early stories about Superman and Batman are now in World's Finest, but that book is being canned as you mentioned already.

With all this going on, Supergirl and Robin (Batman and Catwoman's daughter) end up in a boom tube that takes them to the New 52 Earth, and their story continues in World's Finest, with them taking the identities of Power Girl and Huntress.  The two eventually meet up with Robin (Damien), Supergirl, and Superman and Batman before finally finding a way to get back to Earth 2. 

Wonder Woman has not come back, but her daughter, Fury, is around and initially was on Darkseid's side, but switched after a bunch of shit happened, mainly with her master, Steppenwolf, getting killed pretty violently by...

Superman has come back twice now.  The first time, he was a bad guy and pretty much spent a number of months just kicking the absolute shit out of all the superheroes and ruling the world.  He was finally killed and then the good guys found out he was some kind of fake.  The supposed real Superman was then found deep inside a hidden lab filled with Superman clones.  He may be powerless now.

There is another Superman.  This is a black Kryptonian was kept hidden and freed by the other superheroes.  He was initially a pacifist but finally started fighting and is in a relationship with Powergirl, cuz why not?

Another Batman showed up and was revealed to be Thomas Wayne, who takes some drug that gives him enhanced strength so he can keep up in his old age.  He's addicted to the drug.

With the original Superman found, they hint that someone has the power to resurrect dead heroes, so it's possible Batman and Wonder Woman will show up again.

Lois Lane died, but was resurrected inside an android body and is the Red Tornado.

Dick Grayson is married to Barbara Gordon.  Dick is an average joe and Barbara is a cop.  Barbara just got killed off in a recent issue. 

John Constantine is now on Earth 2 (why I don't know, it's from his own series which I still need to read) and looking for a way back.  When some big tidal wave is coming and people get on a train to escape, Dick gives John his kid and stays with Barbara's corpse because I have no idea why.

Mr. Terrific, from the New 52, is also on Earth 2 for whatever reason.  We know he makes it back to the original Earth because of the Future's End biweekly book.  In fact, if that's canon and not something that they end up making irrelevant (the future gets changed, blah blah blah), all the Earth 2 people end up on the original Earth as refugees from the Darkseid war.

The other notable heroes are Green Lantern (Alan Scott- who is now gay, but that is pretty much meaningless since his boyfriend got killed immediately and there's no other mention of his sexuality until his boyfriend comes back as an Earth elemental and holy shit this is getting complicated), The Flash (Jay Garrick), Hawkgirl, and Dr. Fate, but despite playing a big role previously, over the past year or so the focus has shifted to Earth 2 Batman, Superman, Red Tornado, and crew, although it is an ensemble book.

The last issue of Earth 2 also saw Huntress get turned into one of Darkseid's furies.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2014, 03:08:18 PM
That's how it started and was one of the big reasons why I really liked it, but things have kind of been changing lately.

Will spoiler-tag this in case anyone cares:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Trying to keep this brief, basically all three die saving the world.  Forgot what happened to Supes, Wonder Woman gets stabbed, and Batman blows himself up after detonating a bomb (he has to be the one to trigger it) that stops something from happening.  Can't remember what that is...maybe it was boom tubes.   Early stories about Superman and Batman are now in World's Finest, but that book is being canned as you mentioned already.

With all this going on, Supergirl and Robin (Batman and Catwoman's daughter) end up in a boom tube that takes them to the New 52 Earth, and their story continues in World's Finest, with them taking the identities of Power Girl and Huntress.  The two eventually meet up with Robin (Damien), Supergirl, and Superman and Batman before finally finding a way to get back to Earth 2. 

Wonder Woman has not come back, but her daughter, Fury, is around and initially was on Darkseid's side, but switched after a bunch of shit happened, mainly with her master, Steppenwolf, getting killed pretty violently by...
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Not bad stuff. I like the idea of Huntress on a journey to get back to her world.

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Superman has come back twice now.  The first time, he was a bad guy and pretty much spent a number of months just kicking the absolute shit out of all the superheroes and ruling the world.  He was finally killed and then the good guys found out he was some kind of fake.  The supposed real Superman was then found deep inside a hidden lab filled with Superman clones.  He may be powerless now.
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Getting a bit towards convoluted territory... Though a de-powered Supes reminds me of Flashpoint.

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There is another Superman.  This is a black Kryptonian was kept hidden and freed by the other superheroes.  He was initially a pacifist but finally started fighting and is in a relationship with Powergirl, cuz why not?
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...Steel?

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Another Batman showed up and was revealed to be Thomas Wayne, who takes some drug that gives him enhanced strength so he can keep up in his old age.  He's addicted to the drug.
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Owlman? This also sounds like a Flashpoint thing.

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With the original Superman found, they hint that someone has the power to resurrect dead heroes, so it's possible Batman and Wonder Woman will show up again.
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Ugh.

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Lois Lane died, but was resurrected inside an android body and is the Red Tornado.
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:mindblown OK this is straight up Looney Tunes shit.

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Dick Grayson is married to Barbara Gordon.  Dick is an average joe and Barbara is a cop.  Barbara just got killed off in a recent issue. 
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I did see that (have a finger on the pulse of everything Bats-related.) Seemed pretty dramatic.

I dunno if they're my OTP but it makes sense that they'd be together. In Batman Eternal Babs tried to get with Jason and Jason was all "Gurl plz, everyone knows you love Dick." (insert phil face here.)

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John Constantine is now on Earth 2 (why I don't know, it's from his own series which I still need to read) and looking for a way back.  When some big tidal wave is coming and people get on a train to escape, Dick gives John his kid and stays with Barbara's corpse because I have no idea why.
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OK this is just stupid. The same thing happened on Lost and it pissed me off then too.

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Mr. Terrific, from the New 52, is also on Earth 2 for whatever reason.  We know he makes it back to the original Earth because of the Future's End biweekly book.  In fact, if that's canon and not something that they end up making irrelevant (the future gets changed, blah blah blah), all the Earth 2 people end up on the original Earth as refugees from the Darkseid war.
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There is a 0% chance it isn't totally retconned in some way. Like they'll never have Bruce not be Batman for any allegedly "permanent" amount of time. His whole Future's End book dealt with him having a permanently broken back and using Lexcorp to clone himself. :lol Yeah, I don't see that popping up in Detective Comics or Batman proper, ever.

(Also they'll never give Tim Drake such a major role in the DC universe as he has in Future's End, even though he totes deserves it. :'( )

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The other notable heroes are Green Lantern (Alan Scott- who is now gay, but that is pretty much meaningless since his boyfriend got killed immediately and there's no other mention of his sexuality until his boyfriend comes back as an Earth elemental and holy shit this is getting complicated),
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Getting?

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The Flash (Jay Garrick), Hawkgirl, and Dr. Fate, but despite playing a big role previously, over the past year or so the focus has shifted to Earth 2 Batman, Superman, Red Tornado, and crew, although it is an ensemble book.

The last issue of Earth 2 also saw Huntress get turned into one of Darkseid's furies.
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Sounds like it's gotten completely away from its initial appeal. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2014, 03:43:39 PM
I just bought all the issues in The Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul (https://www.comixology.com/Batman-The-Resurrection-of-Ras-al-Ghul/comics-story-arc/225) today, got super nostalgic for pre-New 52 stuff all of a sudden. And man... I miss this Tim Drake. :(

I really liked the period of DC comics from Infinite Crisis - Flashpoint. I read a ton of stuff during that time, bought a ton of trades too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 17, 2014, 03:45:34 PM

Getting a bit towards convoluted territory... Though a de-powered Supes reminds me of Flashpoint.

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The reason why is that his power was being used, like a battery, to power evil machination shit and presumably to make the clones.
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...Steel?

Nah, Steel is not a Kryptonian.  This guy is literally black Superman, powers-wise.  I suspect they will keep OG Supes powerless and have black Supes take his place.

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Owlman? This also sounds like a Flashpoint thing.

Nope. 
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Actually Thomas Wayne as Batman was done in Flashpoint, yeah, but this version acts differently-- the Flashpoint version was the only Batman.  This version is Batman #2, after his son was Batman for years.
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Owlman is on New 52 Earth, BTW.   :) He's one of the Earth 3 villains still around.

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:mindblown OK this is straight up Looney Tunes shit.

I will give it to them on this one because Lois' father is an army general and did this to save her.  His New 52 counterpart did the same thing to create Metallo.

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Sounds like it's gotten completely away from its initial appeal. :lol

It's a LOT different than when it started, yeah, but it's still a fun read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2014, 05:09:21 PM
I just bought all the issues in The Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul (https://www.comixology.com/Batman-The-Resurrection-of-Ras-al-Ghul/comics-story-arc/225) today, got super nostalgic for pre-New 52 stuff all of a sudden. And man... I miss this Tim Drake. :(

I really liked the period of DC comics from Infinite Crisis - Flashpoint. I read a ton of stuff during that time, bought a ton of trades too.

Same here. That was kind of my golden age. Tim Drake stuff was never better, and his new costume...

(http://i.imgur.com/nPYuFFN.jpg)

:lawd Fucking minimalism man. It's not quite Nightwing-levels but it's by far the best "Robin" costume ever and shits all over what they have Tim wearing now.  >:(

And the in-universe explanation? "They were his colors" (after Superboy died.) Laaawwwd.


I absolutely loved Infinite Crisis. The other crises don't come close for me. :heart I still reread it every so often.

Nah, Steel is not a Kryptonian.  This guy is literally black Superman, powers-wise.  I suspect they will keep OG Supes powerless and have black Supes take his place.

Well I figure if they haven't introduced Steel into New 52 (have they?) then that might be one of the retcons they do. A Kyrptonian Steel might actually not suck so hard.

Nope. 
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Actually Thomas Wayne as Batman was done in Flashpoint, yeah, but this version acts differently-- the Flashpoint version was the only Batman.  This version is Batman #2, after his son was Batman for years.
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Owlman is on New 52 Earth, BTW.   :) He's one of the Earth 3 villains still around.

It's technically not the same Owlman though, right? I mean if we're talking about the same dude from the end of Night of the Owls.

I will give it to them on this one because Lois' father is an army general and did this to save her.  His New 52 counterpart did the same thing to create Metallo.

So basically Cyborg's new origin story?

It's a LOT different than when it started, yeah, but it's still a fun read.

I'll keep an eye out and check it out if a cool new arc starts up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on December 17, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
Wasn't New 52 Steel introduced in a sidestory from New 52 Action comics #1? Although I stopped reading a New 52 a while back, they've probably retconned that away by now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2014, 05:38:07 PM
According to wiki

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In the rebooted continuity of The New 52, John Henry Irons first appears in Grant Morrison's Action Comics as a young scientist working on the government's "Steel Soldier" program. He retaliates after seeing the mistreatment of Superman by Lex Luthor (who was under the command of General Sam Lane to torture him). Irons immediately quits. When John Corben goes on a rampage after donning the government's "Metal 0" suit, John Henry aids Superman in fighting him off by using his own prototype armor for the first time, uploading a virus into the Metal 0 suit that he designed specifically to shut it down in the event of the user going rogue.

Meh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 18, 2014, 10:44:27 AM
Yeah, Steel is in New 52.  I don't read Action Comics, but I did read through the whole "Superman Doomed" mini series that ran through all the Superman and related comics, and he was totally doin' thangs in his Steel armor.

It's technically not the same Owlman though, right? I mean if we're talking about the same dude from the end of Night of the Owls.

This is the "real" Owlman.  As in, he's called "Owlman" and is the Earth 3 Bruce Wayne equivalent. 

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So basically Cyborg's new origin story?

No, seems to be different, like whatever they did made him go bonkers and become a bad guy.

They also made Lois Lane turn into a female Brainiac.  Green skin, costume, and all.  She gained psychic powers too, but all that was taken away by the end of Superman Doomed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2014, 10:54:31 AM
I wish I could throw stones but it's not like the Bat-books are any less crazy. :lol

Also the Owlman thing reminded me of Lincoln March. I wonder if Snyder's going to use him in his last arc after Endgame.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2014, 11:06:40 AM
Batman and Robin #37 spoilers:

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(https://i.imgur.com/dy7PdCRl.jpg)

OK, this has broken through my cold, indifferent exterior and actually warmed my heart. Goddamnit.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/fe8b6b099dd8a123592d3d09bb2dedcd/tumblr_ng36xdZNjL1qk2bdeo3_400.gif)

(http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lpi06knFIR1qzozj1.gif)

I was so against them bringing him back, like I am for any character since it reinforces how death is meaningless in comics. But I was especially against it here because it's been what, two years? Less? At least Jason didn't come back until Infinite Crisis rebooted things seven years after he died.

But fuck it. Damian's back and he has super powers. And I'll let it slide because damnit, look how happy Bruce looks there.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2014, 11:11:57 AM
Batman #37 spoilers:

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(http://i.imgur.com/Z5Fcln3.jpg)

They've played with Joker knowing Batman's identity for quite a while now. I remember it being teased at the end of the Death in the Family story arc (when Bruce and Joker interact at the UN.) And it was teased earlier in Snyder's run when Joker clubbed Alfred, and he left a card inside the Batcave.

But here, for the first time in canon, is it confirmed. (Well it was kind of confirmed earlier in the issue when the Joker sets up Joe Chill to kill a family outside a "Zorro theater" set.)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2014, 10:52:49 PM
Front pages for Batman #15 and Batman #37 compared.

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(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/0/40/4279788-batman+15+and+37.png)
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Snyder and Capullo... fuck is there a better team in comics right now? :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 18, 2014, 11:20:09 PM
 :o

I need to get to reading that already!

So re: Death Of Wolverine.  Remember the mini series about the Weapon X program people?  One of them took off the gas mask he was wearing in an earlier issue and had Logan's face, plus old memories.  So was he a clone?  Did Wolverine's mind merge with him? 
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The answer is none of that!  They were just fucking with us-- it's Wolverine's old master/foe Ogun, transferring his consciousness into the poor guy and taking over his mind. 
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  Issue #4 got really, really fucked up in regards to the rest of the characters, too.  The last issue is next month and I don't think it's gonna end well for this crew.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 18, 2014, 11:25:12 PM
Spider-Woman is getting a new costume.  It's being used in a cartoon (or game?) first, then will be introduced into the comics next year.

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Spiderwomanprofile-dc8a4.jpg)

I don't really like it.  It's not too terribly bad, but for recent awesome-looking female Spider character costumes, Silk and Spider-Gwen do it better.  This costume reminds too much of Wonder Woman's redesign from right before the old DC universe ended and just doesn't fit the character, IMO.  If anything, I'd just take the original costume and make it look like a Shield uniform with a mask or something.  This new costume also seems like a rejected female version of Hawkeye's current duds.

If you think the above image looks OK, fine.  Now let's see it when drawn by someone else.

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Spider-Woman-Card-73e2b.jpg)

....
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2014, 11:49:03 PM
:o

I need to get to reading that already!

You haven't yet? :ufup

So re: Death Of Wolverine.  Remember the mini series about the Weapon X program people?  One of them took off the gas mask he was wearing in an earlier issue and had Logan's face, plus old memories.  So was he a clone?  Did Wolverine's mind merge with him? 
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The answer is none of that!  They were just fucking with us-- it's Wolverine's old master/foe Ogun, transferring his consciousness into the poor guy and taking over his mind. 
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  Issue #4 got really, really fucked up in regards to the rest of the characters, too.  The last issue is next month and I don't think it's gonna end well for this crew.

:mindblown ::)

Spider-Woman is getting a new costume.  It's being used in a cartoon (or game?) first, then will be introduced into the comics next year.

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/0/0/1/Spiderwomanprofile-dc8a4.jpg)

I don't really like it.  It's not too terribly bad, but for recent awesome-looking female Spider character costumes, Silk and Spider-Gwen do it better.  This costume reminds too much of Wonder Woman's redesign from right before the old DC universe ended and just doesn't fit the character, IMO.  If anything, I'd just take the original costume and make it look like a Shield uniform with a mask or something.  This new costume also seems like a rejected female version of Hawkeye's current duds.

Spider-Gwen :mouf

Best new costume since Miles Spidey.

If you think the above image looks OK, fine.  Now let's see it when drawn by someone else.

....

Dem hips. :lol

It's kind of a knockoff of hipster-Batgirl, right? "Functional realistic" costume with a girl-style.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2014, 12:03:19 AM
13-day digital sale for DC graphic novels starting on the 20th. (http://www.craveonline.com/comics/articles/802047-exclusive-dc-announces-digital-sale-essential-graphic-novels)

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All-Star Superman
American Vampire Vol. 1
Batman Vol. 1: The Court of Owls
Batman: Earth One
Batman: Hush
Batman: The Dark Knight Returns
Batman: The Killing Joke
Batman: The Long Halloween
Batman: Year One
Extremely Moronic MAD
Fables Vol. 1: Legends in Exile
Final Crisis
Green Lantern: Rebirth
Identity Crisis
JLA Vol. 1
Joker
Justice League Vol. 1: Origin
Kingdom Come
MAD About Superheroes
Saga of the Swamp Thing Book One
Spy vs. Spy – The Top Secret Files
Superman: Earth One Vol. 1
The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
The Sandman Vol. 1: Preludes & Nocturnes
V For Vendetta
Watchmen
Wonder Woman Vol. 1: BLood
Y: The Last Man Vol. 1: Unmanned

Some good stuff there, but I already have most of it lol. Will probably pick up Hush, Identity Crisis, and Joker.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 19, 2014, 12:05:28 AM
my problem is that it looks like a fan creation by someone who tries to "modernize" comic characters, but doesnt get comic characters. she looks like she would be right at home in a 5 issue image special about quirky spies or some shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on December 19, 2014, 02:07:43 PM
This week in Jean Grey fantears: Teen Jean meets Ultimate Jean, they hug.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 19, 2014, 02:11:37 PM
I liked pre-New52 Wonder Woman, when she had pants.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 19, 2014, 04:38:49 PM
I just bought all the issues in The Resurrection of Ra's al Ghul (https://www.comixology.com/Batman-The-Resurrection-of-Ras-al-Ghul/comics-story-arc/225) today, got super nostalgic for pre-New 52 stuff all of a sudden. And man... I miss this Tim Drake. :(

they really built a head of steam with ras and red robin, and then just tossed it in the trash for nu52.

Pre-new 52 had Tim taking on the League of Assassins by himself

Now he's jobbing to z-list villains in nu-Teen Titans  :trash
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2014, 05:48:28 PM
Timmy :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2014, 12:46:15 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/XUgjc6a.png)

That one time Tim almost straight up murdered Damian
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2014, 02:00:03 AM
DC holiday sale is live! https://www.comixology.com/DC-Essential-Graphic-Novels-Sale/page/4719/

Picked up Hush and Identity Crisis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2014, 10:05:54 PM
Identity Crisis

I knew most of the plot points for this going in, and to be clear they're definitely icky. With that said, the book's writing by Brad Meltzer was actually surprisingly good and it did a great job of setting up the mystery. It's a shame then that the "reveal" was done in such a wet-noodle way, I was hoping for a more elaborate path to deduction based on the book up until that point. This book also has some moments of pure silliness - like Deathstroke beating eight members of the Justice League almost simultaneously (including the Flash and Green Lantern, come on.)

Regardless of your thoughts on "the big icky", I had far more of a problem with the villain and their motivations - it paints the wives of superheroes in a negative light, and just felt really patronizing to women in general I felt.

Something I completely forgot about going into this book is that it includes the death of Tim Drake's father, just when they were coming to more of an understanding. To this day I'm still not sure how I feel about it. Drawing another parallel to Bruce is all fine and good, but Tim was always the outlier. When he started he had both parents, he wanted to be Robin, and I felt like those things made him a breath of fresh air compared to Dick and Jason. I get that comics are forever locked into an entropic spiral of angst, but I think this might have been too much. Well, at least Tim got better.

2 / 5



Batman: Hush

This was amazing. Unfortunately, I knew Hush's identity going in, but it was still a great ride. I've been amazed by Capullo ever since his run started with the New 52, but reading Hush reminded me that Jim Lee's art pretty much is Batman. At least for me. The flashbacks had an amazing style too - they captured a certain forlorn innocence about Bruce's childhood before his parents died. Like, they're happy memories that Bruce should be able to look back on fondly, but they're overshadowed by the tragedy to come. Bringing that across in an art style totally surprised me. It's sheer mastery.

This story arc brings back memories of The Long Halloween, especially with how it weaves all of Batman's rogues into the tapestry (plus a well-written Supes, always a plus.) I rarely left the edge of my seat reading Hush, even if I think there were one or two too many swerves.

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The Jason Todd issue in particular felt a little ridiculous, since I'm not sure how Tommy knew that Todd was jacking the right-front tire, or other assorted tidbits. It also highlighted an overuse of Clayface as an actor-for-hire, which just isn't very interesting to me. He's a full fledged villain but was reduced to a plot device in service to an unnecessary twist. I will say, if I had not known who Hush was, and I knew that Jason Todd did indeed come back somewhere around this period in comics, I probably would have bought it. But I still feel it was unnecessary and introduced some plot holes.
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The best thing about the book may be how it believably develops the romance with Catwoman. It may have been slightly too rushed in my opinion, but I didn't read the issues leading up to this story so I can't say for sure. Since this story predates me getting into comics by a few years, it was actually kind of neat seeing a Catwoman who didn't know Batman's identity. I think they're far more interesting after they crossed that point, but it was just neat for me personally seeing her before she knew (and seeing it get revealed to her.)

I really loved how the book spent equal time on summarizing the three Robins and how they were all different, and how Bruce tried to help each one in a different way. Those excerpts were absolutely fantastic, and I loved the writing when it focused on his guilt over certain things. It's weird to say these days, but I think Jeph Loeb knocked it out of the park.

4 / 5
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 20, 2014, 10:36:21 PM
you rated identity crisis too high drex.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2014, 10:44:23 PM
I enjoyed it while I was reading it. :yeshrug

It's insulting, but it's also a fun read lol, if that makes any sense.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 20, 2014, 11:03:39 PM
Prepping to go through a ton of legacy Bat story arcs during Christmas vacation: Contagion, Legacy, Cataclysm, No Man's Land, The Black Glove, The Black Mirror... maybe less, maybe more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 21, 2014, 11:41:13 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5XLPzTIgAACMNM.jpg)

 :what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2014, 01:57:30 PM
Identity Crisis

It's even worse when you remember that they had just done Formerly Known as Justice League and that I Can't Believe It's Not Justice League was supposed to run at the same time (although they did delay until the next year). So on one hand, you got Ralph and Sue Digby getting up to hijinks with Booster Gold and Blue Beetle, and then on the other hand, you've got whatever the fuck was going on in Identity Crisis. Oh and then Blue Beetle gets killed too (by Maxwell Lord), and not even in the Infinite Crisis proper, but in the Prelude to Infinite Crisis. :lol At least Booster Gold came out of it alive and got his own series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2014, 02:46:31 PM
Identity Crisis

It's even worse when you remember that they had just done Formerly Known as Justice League and that I Can't Believe It's Not Justice League was supposed to run at the same time (although they did delay until the next year). So on one hand, you got Ralph and Sue Digby getting up to hijinks with Booster Gold and Blue Beetle, and then on the other hand, you've got whatever the fuck was going on in Identity Crisis. Oh and then Blue Beetle gets killed too (by Maxwell Lord), and not even in the Infinite Crisis proper, but in the Prelude to Infinite Crisis. :lol At least Booster Gold came out of it alive and got his own series.

Yeah well Max bought it in the lead up to Infinite Crisis too, right? Think it was The OMAC Project. :lol

SNAP!

I really loved that plot point and how it set IC up. Also I know everyone loves Ted Kord and his hijinks with Booster Gold, but I'm kind of a Jaime Reyes fan. :-[
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 21, 2014, 02:49:14 PM
Yeah, he mind-controlled Superman into going on a rampage and Wonder Woman snapped his neck. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2014, 04:52:23 PM
LOL this conversation made me buy the OMAC Project (annoyingly, right after issue #3 there's four crucial tie-in issues across three Superman and one Wonder Woman comics, and they're the ones that actually SHOW Supes pounding Bats and WW killing Max. UGH.)

Aaaaaannnnnnddd... now I'm re-reading Infinite Crisis. I think this is the second time this year.

Best Crisis. <3

Edit-

(http://i.imgur.com/wHDZUEgl.png)

Dis ether :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 22, 2014, 09:55:20 PM
Started on New 52 Batman.  Well, that's not quite true since I read all of the Court Of Owls/Night Of Owls stuff when it was coming out.  Not going to be reading stuff in order and may not read everything.  I started with The Dark Knight, which I believe was canceled earlier this year (?).  Read the first arc with art from David Finch.  The storyline felt like it was trying hard to be like Hush, but failed miserably at it.  You even had Clayface pretending to be someone else again.   ::)  This storyline introduced new...uh...villain?  The White Rabbit, AKA David Finch wants to show you a girl in a playboy bunny costume's ass at every chance possible.  She literally just runs around and is just...there with the other bad guys actually doing stuff.  This character's "secret identity" could have made her interesting, but as far as I can tell, the character was pretty much forgotten about and just showed up in a panel or two in Forever Evil.  So, spoiler- The White Rabbit is actually rich socialite Jaina Hudson, who can split herself into two people.  Bruce Wayne is dating Jaina during this storyline, but as soon as its over, he's fucking some piano player in the next issue, with no explanation given.  LOLWUT  I don't know if I can stand the rest of this series.

Washed that bad taste out of my mouth by starting Zero Year.  :bow ZERO.  FUCKING.  YEAR.  :bow2  This is just too good.  Snyder and Capullo are amazing.  I don't want this storyline to end.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
Started on New 52 Batman.  Well, that's not quite true since I read all of the Court Of Owls/Night Of Owls stuff when it was coming out.  Not going to be reading stuff in order and may not read everything.  I started with The Dark Knight, which I believe was canceled earlier this year (?).  Read the first arc with art from David Finch.  The storyline felt like it was trying hard to be like Hush, but failed miserably at it.  You even had Clayface pretending to be someone else again.   ::)  This storyline introduced new...uh...villain?  The White Rabbit, AKA David Finch wants to show you a girl in a playboy bunny costume's ass at every chance possible.  She literally just runs around and is just...there with the other bad guys actually doing stuff.  This character's "secret identity" could have made her interesting, but as far as I can tell, the character was pretty much forgotten about and just showed up in a panel or two in Forever Evil.  So, spoiler- The White Rabbit is actually rich socialite Jaina Hudson, who can split herself into two people.  Bruce Wayne is dating Jaina during this storyline, but as soon as its over, he's fucking some piano player in the next issue, with no explanation given.  LOLWUT  I don't know if I can stand the rest of this series.

Washed that bad taste out of my mouth by starting Zero Year.  :bow ZERO.  FUCKING.  YEAR.  :bow2  This is just too good.  Snyder and Capullo are amazing.  I don't want this storyline to end.

I realized Dark Knight was trash after about 10 issues. Wish it didn't take that long but I kept holding out hope. :-/

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I don't want this storyline to end.

Yeah, about that... For me it kinda got to the point where I was wishing it'd end. It's basically three arcs in one, which of course is quite the feat, but I'm not sure I needed that much info on Batman's past (especially when some of it is a dumber version of Year One... hologram caves, really? That's what does it?)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2014, 01:01:42 PM
So uh, tell me someone here read Batman & Robin (Two-Face) #28.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2014, 02:50:36 AM
Spoilers for latest DCU stuff.

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So like everyone knows Batman is Bruce.

- Joker (confirmed Batman #37)
- Two-Face (confirmed Batman & Robin #28)
- Lex Luthor (confirmed Forever Evil #7)
- Lincoln March / The Court of Owls

Plus people who knew before like Hush, Ra's and Catwoman. This is getting to be... a bit much.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 25, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
Axis is over.  The big things coming out of this Marvel storyline:

-Everyone gets reverted back to their good/evil allegiances, except for three people.
-Sabertooth is now a good guy.  He will be the star of the Wolverines comic starting soon, presumably.
-Havok stays as a "bad guy", kidnaps Wasp, makes her shrink them down to microscopic levels, then reappears to join Cyclops' X-Men with no sign of Wasp.
-Iron Man is staying a bad guy/dickhead and is responsible for himself and the other two not reverting.
-The villains-turned-good guys made a video, before reverting back, making it look like everything that happened in Axis was their fault, because "the world needs Avengers and X-Men."
-This was a pretty dumb storyline.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2014, 08:28:31 PM
AXIS was getting TONS of  hype on GAF and I couldn't tell if it was earnest or ironic. I hoped it was ironic...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2014, 10:10:49 PM
The OMAC Project

Decent concept, execution, and art. I'd give it a 3 / 5 but there's not much here to go back to. I'd call it a nice, concise, self-contained story, but right in the middle there's four tie-in issues (Superman (1939) #219, Action Comics (1938) #829, Adventures of Superman (1986) #642, and Wonder Woman (1987) #219) that become required-reading, and those issues are where most of the catalysts come from - namely Superman getting mind-controlled and beating Bruce almost to death, and Wonder Woman infamously snapping Maxwell Lord's neck in order to free him.

Not a total waste of time and I was glad to have further context for Infinite Crisis, but probably not something I'll ever reread.

2 / 5



Infinite Crisis (re-review)

This is the best Crisis. The best DC crossover event. And possibly my favorite comic story of all-time.

Everything about this story is amazing. I love the theme of "happy" old clashing with the "corrupt" new. I loved that it started and ended definitively with Superman, Wonder Woman, and Batman - the DC holy trinity. In a way, it was all about their journey of reconciliation after Wonder Woman's action in The OMAC Project, and the Justice League's actions towards Batman in Identity Crisis. And it was about Superman coming to realize how much he was still needed and how much he was the one who had to act, instead of being clouded with indecision.

So many characters got a chance to shine in this story. And while I was a bit confused when I first picked it up eight years ago, I've realized how much I appreciate the denseness and depth. This is DC firing on all cylinders and making a comic only they could make.

This is the gold standard of events for me, and I look forward to rereading it every year. This year I did it twice, and have come to enjoy it even further. This is truly the best Crisis.

5 / 5



Batman (2011) Annual #3

Really loved this issue, but the art was a little off especially on the Joker. Still, this was a great little one-shot with excellent writing and pacing. Check it out if you want to see the Joker try to make a new BFF.

4 / 5



Grayson Annual #1

Maaaaaannn. I feel like a Grayson TV show would be right at home on HBO, and an episode made from this issue would be such a damn standout even amongst the rest of the excellence. This is a smart, sharp comic that demands some cognitive energy from its readers and doesn't make excuses. Some might find it pretentious or hard to get into, but if you roll with it you're going to have such a good time. Can't recommend this series, and especially this issue, higher.

5 / 5



Batman and Robin (2011) #24-28 "The Big Burn"

Wow.

Just wow.

I didn't really care for this book initially. It felt a little weird compared to the rest of the ongoing Bat-books. The art was (and still is) not to my liking, with squished boxy heads (though the colors could possibly be the best in any ongoing right now, seriously.) And the writing for Damian felt a little off at times.

Post-Damian's death (issue #18), the book really started to shine, pairing Batman with allies and foes each new issue. The Two-Face story arc was the first non-one-shot since then, and man, I have to say Tomasi really did a fantastic job here. Going in, it's hard not to take the new characters very seriously, but they quickly take on added dimension in further issues. Infrequent flashbacks reveal a new twist on something previously established each time they pop up, until by the end all parties involved demand both revulsion and sympathy.

The end is a true shocker, and something that I hope isn't retconned for at least a little while. It's true to the character as established (oh yeah, this also does a fantastic job rewriting Two-Face's origin), and it feels so logical and conclusive.

5 / 5
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 26, 2014, 12:04:01 AM
The OMAC Project

Decent concept, execution, and art. I'd give it a 3 / 5 but there's not much here to go back to. I'd call it a nice, concise, self-contained story, but right in the middle there's four tie-in issues (Superman (1939) #219, Action Comics (1938) #829, Adventures of Superman (1986) #642, and Wonder Woman (1987) #219) that become required-reading, and those issues are where most of the catalysts come from - namely Superman getting mind-controlled and beating Bruce almost to death, and Wonder Woman infamously snapping Maxwell Lord's neck in order to free him.

Not a total waste of time and I was glad to have further context for Infinite Crisis, but probably not something I'll ever reread.

2 / 5

They released a trade of those four issues, Superman: Sacrifice. Villains United was really the only good Infinite Crisis tie-in though. :bow Secret Six :bow2
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Post by: Supermanisdead on December 26, 2014, 01:04:57 AM
AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2014, 01:17:37 AM
The OMAC Project

Decent concept, execution, and art. I'd give it a 3 / 5 but there's not much here to go back to. I'd call it a nice, concise, self-contained story, but right in the middle there's four tie-in issues (Superman (1939) #219, Action Comics (1938) #829, Adventures of Superman (1986) #642, and Wonder Woman (1987) #219) that become required-reading, and those issues are where most of the catalysts come from - namely Superman getting mind-controlled and beating Bruce almost to death, and Wonder Woman infamously snapping Maxwell Lord's neck in order to free him.

Not a total waste of time and I was glad to have further context for Infinite Crisis, but probably not something I'll ever reread.

2 / 5

They released a trade of those four issues, Superman: Sacrifice. Villains United was really the only good Infinite Crisis tie-in though. :bow Secret Six :bow2

I loved the idea of OMAC, that Batman gets so paranoid from being mindwiped he makes this all-seeing satellite that promptly turns Skynet. The nanobot sleeper soldiers is where it kinda lost me though.

I need to read 52 soon, it's been gnawing at me for years and I keep hearing praise for it. Coming off of Infinite Crisis it'll be a tall order to live up to, but I'm down for some goofy one-shots.

AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

That's a pretty big statement considering Scott Lobdell, Mark Millar, and Jeph Loeb.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 26, 2014, 01:19:35 AM
AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

we might get a good sabretooth out of it, so it isnt all bad.

That's a pretty big statement considering Scott Lobdell, Mark Millar, and Jeph Loeb.

truer words.
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Post by: Supermanisdead on December 26, 2014, 01:36:31 AM
If Sabertooth is really repentant, he'll do us all a favour and finally end his worthless life.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 26, 2014, 02:38:15 AM
I read the X-Men Schism event.  Umm, did I miss something or is there the world's biggest plothole ever in this event?

Prelude to Schism -> Takes place right before the final battle, Cyclops is staring at a window getting everyone's opinion on whether to stay or fight this OFF-SCREEN MENACE THAT IS DESCRIBED AS THE MOST WORLD ENDING OPPONENT EVER SEEN IN X-MEN HISTORY.  Wolverine and Cyclops are buds and Wolverine wants to FIGHT.  Magneto and everyone weigh in.

Schism takes place and basically a big sentinel is sent to destroy Utopia and Cyclops and Wolverine fight over what to do with Cyclops saying stay and fight with the students and Wolverine saying to bail out to the point where he's lined the place with nukes and will blow it if everyone doesn't evacuate.  Magneto and Namor and many others are incapacitated by mind slug things and so only the students can fight.  They fight the sentinel and win pretty easily.

Ok, there seems to be some major contradictions between those two!  Which is weird because it's a short event and those were written back to back so W.T.F.

Problem 1 - Prelude makes it out to be some massive threat on a scale never seen before that all the big shots are debating whether to stay or fight and no one is sure if they'll survive the night.  Actual Schism reveals it's just a big sentinel and the students take it down easily.

Problem 2 - Prelude has Magneto and Namor and all the mutants in good health and ready to fight if staying.  Schism has all these guys out of action at this point and that's why the students have to fight.

Problem 3 - Prelude has Wolverine ON THE SIDE OF FIGHTING and buddies with Cyclops right before the Sentinel hits.  Schism has Cyclops and Wolverine at each other's throats when the Sentinel shows up with Wolverine completely against staying and fighting.

Problem 4 - At one point in prelude when referring to the off-screen humongous threat, someone remarks that "it doesn't even notice us, we're so small it doesn't even care about us" (making it seem like it's some enormous threat), in schism the sentinel is just a sentinel and picks up and starts attacking the mutants once it gets to them.


So ummm, how can this exist?  How can prelude totally contradict the actual event it's the prelude for?  It makes no fucking sense and I've never seen anything like it so I'm just pretty confused.

AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

But...but...he wrote Uncanny X-Force which was some of the best character writing in Marvel comics in the last decade.  How did he go from writing something great like that to screwing this up?
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Post by: bork on December 26, 2014, 09:56:25 AM
Forgot to mention that Uncanny Avengers is also restarting as a result of Axis.  New team members.

AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

I think the biggest problem with this event is that it was rushed.  A storyline with heroes and villains allegiances being reversed should have been a huge, long event.  This should have been six months to a year long, to better flesh out the changed up characters.

AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

we might get a good sabretooth out of it, so it isnt all bad.

We've already had good Sabertooth-- The AoA/Exiles version.  And we already have a good Wolverine in X-23.  Not to mention a bad Wolverine in Daken.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 26, 2014, 03:33:19 PM
Forgot to mention that Uncanny Avengers is also restarting as a result of Axis.  New team members.

AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

I think the biggest problem with this event is that it was rushed.  A storyline with heroes and villains allegiances being reversed should have been a huge, long event.  This should have been six months to a year long, to better flesh out the changed up characters.

AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

we might get a good sabretooth out of it, so it isnt all bad.

We've already had good Sabertooth-- The AoA/Exiles version.  And we already have a good Wolverine in X-23.  Not to mention a bad Wolverine in Daken.

and aoa sabretooth is who knows where with all the other exiles characters that i want back in the 616. i dont give 2 shits about x-23. daken is cool if hes back to his usual trolling ways, and not this "remorse for a man you wanted dead" shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
Btw here's a blog that's been a guilty pleasure for me, with insane reviews for various DC series: http://tessatechaitea.tumblr.com
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Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2014, 07:45:59 PM
Also a reminder that Scott Lobdell is a massive piece of shit and I don't know why he still has a job at DC: http://www.themarysue.com/scot-lobdell-sexual-harassment/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on December 26, 2014, 08:26:13 PM
Is he fired off Teen Titans yet?  :hyper :hyper :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2014, 08:37:55 PM
Is he fired off Teen Titans yet?  :hyper :hyper :hyper

Fired months ago and the series was cancelled. It was then rebooted again in July at #1 and it's been decent stuff so far (which makes it 100000% better than when Lobdell was on it.) He was also tossed off Superman too, so now the only book he's infecting has been contained to Red Hood and the Outlaws.

He's also the story planner behind Convergence (upcoming March event) but he doesn't seem to be writing any of it so there might be hope for that to not blow chode.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on December 26, 2014, 10:57:54 PM
Oh lol. For some reason I thought he just rebooted it. I might catch up. TT has always been one of the few DC comics I was interested in.
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Post by: Tasty on December 26, 2014, 11:13:59 PM
It was cancelled and rebooted cause Lobdell did a hell of a job driving literally every character into the garbage bin full fucking force. :trash

I'm sad he still gets to ruin Jason Todd, but I was so fucking happy to hear he was kicked off TT and won't get to ruin Timmy any longer.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on December 27, 2014, 11:35:04 AM
and aoa sabretooth is who knows where with all the other exiles characters that i want back in the 616.

There was an AoA series a few years back that dealt with Wolverine becoming the new Apocalypse and the human resistance that opposed him.  Jean Grey and Sabertooth joined them, but were depowered by the humans (because they're idiots) and then Sabertooth died at the end, IIRC.

 
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i dont give 2 shits about x-23. daken is cool if hes back to his usual trolling ways, and not this "remorse for a man you wanted dead" shit

X-23 is fine.  They're doing a good job with the character in All-New X-Men.  Daken was resurrected as a bad guy in Uncanny Avengers...seems to be back to being evil smug asshole Daken again now.
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Post by: Tasty on December 27, 2014, 03:14:52 PM
Batman and Robin (2011) #29-32 "The Hunt for Robin"

And so after the fantastic Two-Face arc showing Tomasi shines best when Robin's out of the picture, comes the arc that kicks off his return. Sigh. With that said, this arc was still great partly because Robin's not actually in it, and it still features Batman teaming up with some great partners like Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and even Frankenstein. I liked the Wonder Woman issue a lot, and Frankenstein's was great because we see the fallout from Batman and Robin #19 where Batman dissected a live Frankenstein (who reveals it took Tim over 27 hours straight to put him back together again.) Thankfully, Frank doesn't hold a grudge long and teams up with Bats to face down Ra's al Ghul for Damian and Talia's bodies. It's a great story that takes Batman (and Titus) all around the world. I'm just sad that after this, the one-issue team-ups are pretty much over.

4 / 5



Batman and Robin (2011) #33-37 "Robin Rises"

(I'm also including Robin Rises: Omega and Robin Rises: Alpha in this.)

Regardless of my feelings on Robin's return, I just felt this was a weaker arc in general. It was fun to watch play out, but I'm not a fan of Batman curbstomping Darkseid (even in some super-amazing super suit built by the rest of the Justice League.) After Final Crisis I hoped DC would have realized that Villain Decay was something to be avoided. Robin getting superpowers is an interesting twist I'm looking forward to seeing play out, but my hope is that they're ultimately temporary.

3 / 5



Batman: Batman and Son

(I'm reviewing the Deluxe Edition, which includes Batman: The Black Glove and caps things off with the third fake-Batman.)

Here we see the start of Grant Morrison's Batman run, and it's surprisingly easy to follow and a nice read... until the end, when things go nutso-crazy in typical Morrison fashion with Bat-Mite showing up, "Zurr En Arr" getting flashed in a panel, and the introduction of Doctor Hurt. I've read most of the rest of Morrison's Batman work, including R.I.P., Batman and Robin (2009), and Batman Incorporated, and it was interesting to see him sew the seeds for the rest of his run this early.

That said, it also reminded me that I pretty much hated most of those elements outside of Doctor Hurt. :lol It's a shame because the first 75% of this story is great, and even though the main plot with Damian and Talia don't get resolved here I appreciated the wrapping up of the "three fake-Batmen" storyline since that's how the first couple pages start (with the first fake-Batman shooting the Joker in the face.)

When I first started getting into Batman comics, I appreciated a lot of what Morrison was trying to do (from an outside-looking-in viewpoint and not actually reading his stuff.) I thought it was commendable how he was actually trying to bring back Silver Age elements and updating them for modern times, when in my view every other writer was trying to forget that stuff ever existed. But now that I've read almost all of Morrison's Bat-bibliography and compared it to other writers, I'm not sure I have that same respect. He certainly tried his damndest, but I think there's a lot more misses than hits with his approach.

Like I said, right at the end things go off the rails, and it's not just the elements introduced. The way the panels flow and are laid out make things into a huge clusterfuck. I know that was the idea since Bruce is out of it, but it goes a little too far. I get what's happening. I just want to understand what's happening better.

3 / 5



Batman: The Black Glove

Here we see another curiously Morrison thing: the revival of the "Batmen of All Nations / Club of Heroes" idea and integration into the main DC continuity. And I have to say, Grant buddy... no one gives a damn about these losers! :lol I get you like them for some reason, so much so they formed the basis of Batman Incorporated, but I just. Don't. Care.

I've heard some good praise for this story over the years, and it's a nice murder-mystery, however it felt like half of it was spent on these idiots standing around and the actual mystery/deduction felt rushed as hell. In the final few panels, it's hard to tell what's happening and the comic cuts abruptly from scene to scene back to scene. It's unnecessarily confusing considering the actual resolution is otherwise straight-forward.

The art is really nice, though.

2 / 5
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2014, 02:06:08 AM
Oh shit, LOBDELL KICKED OFF OF CONVERGENCE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/11/01/continuums-jeff-king-to-write-dcs-convergence-weekly-comic-usa-today-to-announce/) :o

What a great day! :rejoice
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Post by: parallax on December 28, 2014, 02:10:03 AM
and aoa sabretooth is who knows where with all the other exiles characters that i want back in the 616.

There was an AoA series a few years back that dealt with Wolverine becoming the new Apocalypse and the human resistance that opposed him.  Jean Grey and Sabertooth joined them, but were depowered by the humans (because they're idiots) and then Sabertooth died at the end, IIRC.

 
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i dont give 2 shits about x-23. daken is cool if hes back to his usual trolling ways, and not this "remorse for a man you wanted dead" shit

X-23 is fine.  They're doing a good job with the character in All-New X-Men.  Daken was resurrected as a bad guy in Uncanny Avengers...seems to be back to being evil smug asshole Daken again now.

have they shown daken again after that logan auction?

Oh shit, LOBDELL KICKED OFF OF CONVERGENCE (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2014/11/01/continuums-jeff-king-to-write-dcs-convergence-weekly-comic-usa-today-to-announce/) :o

What a great day! :rejoice

i wonder what they plan on doing with earth prime in convergence
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on December 28, 2014, 02:12:10 AM
I'm all caught up with New Avengers and all I can say is... lol, poor baby Black Panther.
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Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2014, 02:31:12 AM
i wonder what they plan on doing with earth prime in convergence

Hopefully more Superboy-Prime fuckery.
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Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2014, 09:40:33 PM
I didn't realize Teen Titans: Earth One was released last month (http://www.newsarama.com/20701-dc-comics-announces-teen-titans-earth-one-for-2014-three-more-earth-one-ogns-in-works.html), and that DC had planned on continuing the Earth One line.

For those who don't know, Superman: Earth One (Volume 1) was released in 2010 to mixed reviews. Volume 2 and Batman: Earth One followed in 2012 and seemed to have gotten a better reception. Teen Titans: Earth One was released last month and it seems a lot of people love it. Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman: Earth One, Volume 3 of Superman, and Volume 2 of Batman are planned for 2015. (Earth One is a graphic novel series, hence the elongated release schedule.)

It seems like Earth One will be DC's take on Marvel's Ultimate line (a self-contained reboot updating old characters in a modern continuity), after the All-Star imprint went down in flames (for a variety of reasons, half of it being Frank Miller's insanity and the other half being the first two titles -Superman and Batman- didn't even exist in the same universe.) There's been some confusion that the Earth One titles don't exist in the same universe either (Teen Titans sets it up that they're not sidekicks and seem to be the only superpowered beings around, hence no Robin or Superboy), but I've heard Multiversity confirms they do.

In any case, there's hope that Earth One will turn out better than Ultimate if only because DC seems to be taking their time with it (they have to because of the graphic novel format.) Without the constant pressure to get issues out every single month, the universe will likely end up being smaller but more thoughtfully developed. That's my hope, anyways.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2014, 05:21:40 AM
Oh shit, Secret Six is back? (https://www.comixology.com/Secret-Six-2014-1/digital-comic/168228?ref=c2VyaWVzL3ZpZXcvZGVza3RvcC9ncmlkTGlzdC9SZWNlbnRBZGRpdGlvbnM)

So Joe, should I pick up the 2006 (https://www.comixology.com/Secret-Six-2006/comics-series/6415?ref=c2VhcmNoL2luZGV4L2Rlc2t0b3Avc2xpZGVyTGlzdC9zZXJpZXNTbGlkZXI) series or the 2008 (https://www.comixology.com/Secret-Six-2008-2011/comics-series/354?ref=c2VhcmNoL2luZGV4L2Rlc2t0b3Avc2xpZGVyTGlzdC9zZXJpZXNTbGlkZXI) series? Both? They're all by Gail Simone.
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Post by: Eric P on December 30, 2014, 07:35:58 AM
Start with the 6 issue Villains United limited series which is the kick off for Secret Six

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2014, 09:35:01 AM
Yeah, read Villains United and then both of the other ones. They all follow the same core group of characters and plot lines.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2014, 03:38:02 PM
OK, will do when I get paid tomorrow.
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Post by: Bebpo on December 30, 2014, 04:29:32 PM
Read the Fear Itself: Uncanny X-men arc about Serpent Hammer Juggernaut -> Colossus.  Was dumb fun seeing all the combinations of attacks trying to stop him lol.  Mainly read it because after Schism I'm now reading Cyclop's side of the post Schism story in Uncanny 2011-2012 since I read Wolverine's side and I'm like why is Colossus wearing a helmet? 

I just can't get enough mutants these days.  It's bringing back my love of 90s X-men as a teen.  No matter the writing quality I find myself really engrossed in X-men lore right now so eventually I'll probably read every X-men series between Morrison's pretty much "reboot" in 2004 to present.  So far have Morrison's New X-men, Whedon's Astonishing, Schism, Remender's X-Force, Aaron's Wolverine & The X-men down along with the alternate universe's Age of X and Age of Apocalypse.    Uncanny 2011 is pretty silly with Sinister so far, but the part where
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The team faces off with a team of Celestials
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is all kinds of badass.

In addition, I think I'm finally gonna sit down since I'm burnt out on gaming and marathon through this for something different over the holiday:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2014, 06:43:50 PM
CONVERGENCE BOOKS AND CREATIVE TEAMS ANNOUNCED (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58068)

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Nightwing/Oracle
Writer: Gail Simone; Artist: Jan Duursema and Dan Parsons

:lawd

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Shazam
Writer: Jeff Parker; Artist: Evan "Doc" Shaner; Colorist: Jordie Bellaire

:leon

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Swamp Thing
Writer: Len Wein; Artist: Kelley Jones; Colorist: Michelle Madsen

 :o  :o  :o  :o

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Batgirl
Writer: Alisa Kwitney; Artist: Rick Leonardi and Mark Pennington

When the New 52 hit, Stephanie Brown's fans immediately wondered when and where their hero would appear in the now-canon DCU. Brown recently returned as The Spoiler in the pages of "The New 52: Futures End," but there remains a strong and vocal fanbase of the pre-"Flashpoint" Batgirl version. Well, this "Convergence" tie-in marks the return of Bat-Stephanie along with another Batgirl fans haven't seen in awhile, Cassandra Cain. Cain will be in her guise as the Black Bat, but it will be very cool to see these cult favorite Batgirls return to action. Add in the return of the pre-New 52 Tim Drake, and it all adds up to a book that should have Bat fans very excited.

:rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
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Post by: Tasty on December 31, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
Batman Eternal #39

Batman finds an unlikely ally in the Riddler... but does he really mean to help? I really enjoyed this issue even though it's really only setting up the next one. They pack quite a bit of setup into these pages and it ends on a somewhat-satisfying cliffhanger.

Unfortunately, the art is really, really rough and I absolutely hate the Spawn-like "cape tendrils" on Batman. What is this, the 90's? It's also very sketchy and subdued overall.

I really like where the story's going though, and absolutely can't wait for next Wednesday's issue. They actually somehow managed to up the stakes even higher than before, which I thought impossible after the hell Gotham's been through so far in this series. I believe I know who's really "behind" everything and that's spoiling some of my fun, but I'm very much looking forward to the full reveal all the same.

3 / 5



I'm cross-posting my reviews and posting other DC comics nerdness at http://tastydrabbles.tumblr.com if anybody here cares. I'll probably cut back on constantly blathering about DC comics in this thread since it seems nobody cares, lol. :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 31, 2014, 08:49:52 PM
Nope. Gotta buy trades or single issues.

I made a reading order for the entire New 52 Batman stuff a few days ago if you care about that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on December 31, 2014, 10:25:21 PM
CONVERGENCE BOOKS AND CREATIVE TEAMS ANNOUNCED (http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=58068)

When the New 52 hit, Stephanie Brown's fans immediately wondered when and where their hero would appear in the now-canon DCU. Brown recently returned as The Spoiler in the pages of "The New 52: Futures End," but there remains a strong and vocal fanbase of the pre-"Flashpoint" Batgirl version. Well, this "Convergence" tie-in marks the return of Bat-Stephanie along with another Batgirl fans haven't seen in awhile, Cassandra Cain. Cain will be in her guise as the Black Bat, but it will be very cool to see these cult favorite Batgirls return to action. Add in the return of the pre-New 52 Tim Drake, and it all adds up to a book that should have Bat fans very excited.

:rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
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now watch as they completely shit on tim and cassie. good lord i hope they dont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 31, 2014, 10:43:38 PM
Shazam
Writer: Jeff Parker

not Geoff Johns

yeah great job DC
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on December 31, 2014, 10:45:49 PM
AXIS was ass. Rick Remender is the biggest hack in comics right now.

the same Remender writing Deadly Class? who wrote Uncanny X-Force and Venom?

Nah (http://i4.minus.com/ibqsG2MZiScJka.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on December 31, 2014, 10:47:37 PM
now watch as they completely shit on tim and cassie. good lord i hope they dont

Nah, there's no way. I'm not expecting anything amazing but at the very least I don't expect them to mess them up.

Shazam
Writer: Jeff Parker

not Geoff Johns

yeah great job DC

Johns is probably super busy. And according to CBR:

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First, the book's entire creative team has just been killing it on Dynamite Comics' "Flash Gordon."

So it should be good at least.
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Post by: Tasty on January 01, 2015, 02:06:35 AM
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 10 #10

A nice, fun issue that uses Harmony in a smart way (which I would have thought impossible, but then I remembered the fifth season of Angel.) The way she's used isn't just a plot convenience either, with her interactions coming off fairly natural and progressing the story of the issue in a logical way. It was great, if a little weird, to seem Clem back and fawning for Harmony, but it doesn't take up a lot of space and lets the issue have a nice moment at the end.

Above all, this issue reminds me how much fun Season 10 has been. Season 8 felt dark and suffocating, and Season 9 felt both insane and meanderingly realistic. Season 10 is the first time the comics really feel like the TV shows, I think... kinda. It's still a little off, but the characters have been nailed and the situations are a great blend of realistic and mystic. It was a great idea putting the first-run Angel & Faith writers here, as they really shine with the scoobies.

4 / 5



The Multiversity: Thunderworld Adventures #1

I'm not a huge fan of Grant Morrison's Batman run, but there's no denying his ability to spin a tale. However I think I made a mistake in jumping into this series with the fifth installment, cause the framing is clearly set up in prior issues and while it's made somewhat clear in the book (various universes of the multiverse are collaborating using comic books, meaning people in this issue were reading the previous issue of The Multiversity) it's still kind of confusing especially when it comes to the bad guy. Is he just the bad guy of this issue? Is he working with the bad guys of the other issues? No clue!

I picked up this book specifically instead of starting with the first issue because I'm becoming more and more of a Shazam / Captain Marvel fan and there's a dearth of content for him in The New 52. This issue is $4.99 because it's 40 pages and I'm not sure if my Shazam fixation was satisfied. This book is... OK. That's it, really. What I will give it props for is the lighthearted tone that coaxed a couple chuckles from me, and the deliberately bizarre and over-the-top plot (something Morrison excels at.)

But yeah, this was just OK.

2 / 5



Teen Titans: Earth One Vol. 1

This was my first Earth One graphic novel, and it got me wondering if Batman and Superman got such drastic reinterpretations of their origins in their Earth One books. To put it lightly, everything is reimagined here, and for the most part it works pretty well. I don't have an issue with the origin being such a departure, far from it. It feels fresh. But it also backs the book into a couple corners that were obviously hard to write out of.

Basically, the "teen titans" (never called such in-universe, and only alluded to by being apart of the "Titans Program") are a deliberately diverse set of youngsters who don't even know each other (other than Cyborg and Terra, who are dating) when the book starts. When they do get to know each other, they chafe and argue as is the cliche for teens. To be honest, I'm not sure if it was lazy writing to have them fighting amongst themselves so much, or an accurate reflection of normal teenagehood. Reflecting on my own teen years, I can't remember being so brazen, but I also didn't have to deal with superpowers popping up out of nowhere.

Yeah, this book takes more than a few cues from the X-Men. Which is probably just as well, since DC repurposed the Teen Titans to rip them off with New Teen Titans in the 80's.

The teens are essentially all set up to have the same, connected origin story, which reminds me of the way Hollywood usually goes about its adaptations of these things. It works but oftentimes feels like a shortcut, a way of introducing all of them, showing how unique each character is, and bringing them all together in the same book. I can't blame them for that. However, I will blame the writers for some eyeroll-worthy plot contrivances (the main one being Starfire not only causing all their powers to activate at the same time, but directing them all to her telepathically since she's imprisoned Superman-during-Flashpoint-style.)

I was reading the IGN review for this and they seemed to say the only negative was how Deathstroke is portrayed, but I disagree. Like the rest of the book, I think it's a fresh and interesting take on the character. All these characters are. They come off a little like a grab-bag of politically-correct new-age character templates (this one's the one with the drunk parent, this one's the one with the gay dads, etc.) but I won't fault it for that since this book is aimed at kids/teens and I know how happy it is to see someone you feel represents you in a major book like this.

The book sets up quite a bit of dangling threads, like the "Blackfire initiative," Raven joining up with the main team, Starfire's entire character, and a vision-wall of potential future team mates (including, curiously, a bat symbol.) But mostly I want to see the team become a team. The characters here don't actually ever end up becoming a "team" or doing anything heroic. They haven't earned the book's namesake yet. If Volume 2 accomplished anything, that's the bare minimum.

3 / 5
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2015, 06:29:07 PM
Decided instead of jumping into Cosmic Marvel, that I'd follow the Marvel Events Reading guide and start from Avengers' Disassembled (because don't have time to read 500 different series beforehand to get up to speed; will read the individual good arcs from pre-2004 at some point down the road).  The Thor Ragnorak story that starts it was alright.  I'm guessing this is the story the 3rd Thor movie is going to do?  Makes sense since it flows from where Thor 2 left off, has lots of Loki and has big stakes.  Can see it being a good summer flick.  Will be the first Marvel movie I actually know the comic material going into! 

Reading the Spectacular Spiderman issues now, is' alright.  :obama
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2015, 05:22:39 AM
Shazam! (2011) Vol. 1

As a new Shazam fan, I was both looking forward to and dreading this book. Geoff Johns has consistently won me over and I heard this book was great, but I was unsure about some of the decisions made... mostly regarding Billy.

And yeah, Billy's a little snot in this book (to put it nicely.) I expected it and I'm still not totally happy with it, since the first version of Captain Marvel/Shazam I really knew and loved was the Young Justice version which portrayed him as an enthusiastic, naive, but well-meaning little dork. Changing him to be a selfish, mean-spirited punk is thus entirely the opposite of why I started to like the character in the first place.

With all that said, this was a great book. The New 52 never actually had a Shazam ongoing - this book collects the backup stories from some early Justice League books. I can't imagine following this story any other way than this collected form though, it feels more like a graphic novel than any kind of split-issue story.

The writing is great. While I didn't like Billy's new personality, it's believably written and you do feel bad for the kid. Plus, it's obvious he's set up at the beginning to be unlikable so he can grow through the story. At the very least I can say it's a fresh take on the character (as far as I know), and it leaves a lot of room for interesting character development... if Johns ever gets around to doing a proper Shazam series, since he's forbidding anyone else to do one while he's busy (from what I've heard.)

The story is kind of a standard origin-story, I don't know what elements were changed from the original setup, but I think it all flows together really well here. And while he's portrayed as a pure-villain for most of the plot, Black Adam veers close back to the pragmatic-but-still-detestable type I know him as in other media.

Art was OK for me. Faces were expressive and battles were nice and punchy, but I'm not personally a fan of sketchy penciling and shading.

Overall, a great reintroduction of Shazam that left me wanting more... mostly to see Billy grow into a better person. I guess we'll probably get that through the Justice League now, but Shazam deserves an ongoing more than half the rest of the stuff DC is publishing.

4 / 5



Justice League (2011) #30-34 "Injustice League"

Lex Luthor has joined the Justice League! Geoff Johns handles this event (and everything leading up to it) with a steady, sure hand. He knows what he's doing, and he knows wherever this is going to lead, and he knows we'll trust him. He has confidence, but it's not arrogance.

The first job the Luthor League takes on is battling Power Ring, one of the three Crime Syndicate flunkies left alive after Forever Evil. Well, "alive" being relative - the ring has an entirely new host. Basically, it's like a sentient Yellow Lantern ring. Also on the case are The New 52 Doom Patrol, and man, I really liked how Johns sets them up. They're kind of a detestable bunch, but mostly because of their leader. The way the Power Ring battle is resolved and how Power Ring ends up is another interesting twist - basically, Power Ring joins the Justice League. On top of Lex and possibly Captain Cold (Lex's new bodyguard), that makes three new "villains" on the league. Johns' idea of playing with antiheros joining the League is a fantastic one that opens up many rich story possibilities.

While the battle with Power Ring is the major focus of the book, I like a lot of the smaller details too. Such as Shazam exploring his powers after some prodding by Cyborg and basically magic-ing up a Ping Pong table. I love stuff like that, and Johns nails the voices of every character. My favorite moment was a short (two page?) scene with Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman alone discussing Luthor's entrance into the League. I really love it when they show these three characters interacting and making decisions and not just arguing or fighting. The "DC Trinity" as I call it are most interesting to me when they're talking like normal humans about big decisions like this.

Also, I smiled a bit when Luthor brings up the JL's declining approval rates and his own skyrocketing ones as reason to let him join, and Aquaman angrily replies that they don't care about approval rates. I think back to how the Avengers/Ultimates have acted sometimes and wonder if they could learn a thing or two from that exchange.

4 / 5



Joker (2008)

I've heard a lot of great things about this graphic novel over the years. Strangely, the only negative reaction I know of was one I read last week. This was on sale during DC's recent holiday sale, so I finally picked it up.

Something that's almost immediately apparent is that the "Joker" in this book isn't really the Joker. He's got the makeup and sometimes does something "unexpected," but even when he does so it's that trademark "mafia-style" unexpected where it's just killing a guy he was being nice to. Basically, he's a mob boss in Joker makeup.

It's clear The Dark Knight was a significant, if not sole influence on this work (to the point where the Joker's entire look is lifted almost wholesale from that movie), but I have to say that the Joker here has even less in common with the comic book Joker than Heath Ledger's did. Actually, far less. There's traces of every Joker in Ledger's, and while it's put through the Nolan realism filter, it's all still there and definitely "Joker." The Joker in this book doesn't even really laugh (at least, not on-panel.) He doesn't tell jokes (and in fact, discourages others from telling jokes.) He doesn't do anything zany (like dressing up in nurse outfit), nor does he have any real larger plan. He's just a thug in clown makeup, and Harley's a mute stripper (how edgy!)

I know I'm harping a lot on the Joker not being "the Joker," but this book was kind of billed as the "definitive" Joker story and interpretation and I'm just left scratching my head.

The book itself has some good writing, even if things are a bit predictable and the plot strangely doesn't go anywhere or lead up to anything. It was a good idea, focusing on one of Joker's goons following him around after he gets out of Arkham. It just never does anything interesting with it. I feel like this book was overrated in the wake up The Dark Knight's release (as it came out the same year.)

2 / 5
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 02, 2015, 08:33:20 AM
Did you just say the art on Shazam was ok? Fucking Gary Frank "ok"? That's  :trash tier talk
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 02, 2015, 11:32:31 AM
Holy shit Cassandra Cain is coming back??? God is real.

Also, January 2015 is the 20th year anniversary of the massive Age of Apocalypse event. I'm going to reread it all.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2015, 04:15:42 PM
Did you just say the art on Shazam was ok? Fucking Gary Frank "ok"? That's  :trash tier talk

It's just really scratchy which I don't personally care for. Art is subjective. :yeshrug

Edit- On reviewing it further it's not that scratchy. I guess I kinda got used to it. It's good art.

Holy shit Cassandra Cain is coming back??? God is real.

For a two-issue filler comic, yeah. :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2015, 01:53:27 AM
ART-GOD MARCUS TO IS CONTRIBUTING TO THE NEXT MULTIVERSITY (http://marcusto.tumblr.com/post/106974214448/tastydrabbles-marcusto-made-my-way-home-for) (the 80-page giant-format The Multiversity Guidebook, releasing later this month)

I'm probably acting way more excited than I should, but Marcus To is my favorite comic artist ever AND he replied to me on Tumblr. :rejoice Picking this ish up DAY ONE.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 05, 2015, 01:27:17 AM
Ok, finally started my 2004-present "FOLLOW THE ENTIRE MARVEL UNIVERSE" trip.  Read through 2004's Avengers' Disassembled event along with the Thor/Iron-Man/Capt America/Capt & The Falcon/Spiderman/FF tie-ins.

First of all, the worst part of events going on at the same time is that continuity between different series and writers is fucking horrible.  Characters will mention another event taking/took place but they don't ACT like any of that is happening.  Like for instance in the main Avengers run where hell and chaos is breaking loose and people are dying and meanwhile at roughly the same time Captain America is going to baseball games, going on dates w/diamondback (even though in the main avengers run at the same time he's getting intersted in Scarlet Witch) and fighting silly Serpent Society all with Nick Fury and Shield while also at the same time in Captain & The Falcon he's running renegade, against & evading Shield & Fury while trying to protect some secret navy soldier from the Secret Navy Forces. 

It's so disjointed in timing and character and themes (X-men post-Morrison in Excalibur/New X-Men/Uncanny X-men/Astonishing X-men all running at the same time in the same universe post Morrison New-Xmen events is just as disjointed and nonsensical) that rather than having everything supposed to be taking place all at once, I wish they were just alternate universe stories and the main timeline was just like ONE comic that has continuity.

That being said, separately:

Avengers 500-503/Finale (Disassembled) - Really dark and chaotic and wtf.  It's fine and I can see how if you'd been into Avengers for decades this would be a MAJOR powerful event changing up the Marvel Comic world, but having not really been into Avengers, even as a teenager into comics (mainly X-men and Image/Dark Horse), it's just ok and seems really rushed.
 
Thor tie-in Ragnorak - Solid

Captain & The Falcon tie-in - Very solid.  Like Winter Soldier-ish Captain + Falcon here.  Will keep reading this trade run.

Captain America tie-in - Reaaaal stupid with Red Skull and Serpent Society and stuff.

Iron-man tie-in - Was alright but I'm so sick of marvel "mysteries" revealing to be some dumb NPC no character person being behind it all.

Spectacular Spiderman tie-in - This was really wtf and disturbing (basically Spiderman x THE FLY) and didn't really have anything to do with Disassembled besides Spiderman getting an upgrade in power set.

Fantastic Four tie-in - Was ok.


Now gonna read some more pre-Disassembled stuff, while following some of these post-Disassembled until House of M, which is the next major event on the list.  I'm definitely getting my 1 year sub worth on Unlimited!  I also don't really care about quality at this point.  It's mostly popcorn fluff with some good, some bad but I just like understanding the continuity of the marvel universe over the last 10 years and everything that's happened so I can get caught up on present running stuff eventually.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 05, 2015, 10:53:01 AM
I'd probably skip the tie-ins for most of those events.  Pretty worthless.  The only ones I remember liking were the tie-ins for Secret Invasion (lots of backstory on the Skrulls who took the place of various heroes) and AvX (The stuff with Hope training to use (won't say due to spoilers!) and backstory on it.

IIRC, you're coming up to the point where there was a big shift/reorganization at Marvel for teams and for writers.  Disassembled, in relation to the Avengers, is just them writing a silly story to ditch all the C level superheroes and start over with Spider-Man, Wolverine, and the like as Avengers instead.  Get ready for some Bendis. 

I also enjoyed the Planet Hulk story (it's all self-contained and is like Hulk: The Barbarian in spaaaaace) and its follow-up, World War Hulk, where a pissed-off Hulk returns to Earth and fucks up everybody.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 05, 2015, 11:36:22 AM
I remember reading Disassembled back when it was first coming out and I was pretty new to comics. It was absurd and I had no idea who the hell any of the characters were. I think it was kind of blunt and out of nowhere, but it was still kind of simple fun.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on January 05, 2015, 05:42:33 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/E1VLyxjl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/b6NlKT1.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 08, 2015, 12:27:07 PM
just a reminder to never purchase Image comics at full price

https://www.humblebundle.com/books?logo&utm_source=Humble+Bundle+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3186953348-Humble_Image_Comics_Bundle_2&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_990b1b6399-3186953348-94406665
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 08, 2015, 02:28:44 PM
just a reminder to never purchase Image comics at full price

https://www.humblebundle.com/books?logo&utm_source=Humble+Bundle+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3186953348-Humble_Image_Comics_Bundle_2&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_990b1b6399-3186953348-94406665

Anything good in there?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 08, 2015, 02:35:19 PM
Spider-Verse resumed this week.  More Spider-Totem-Hunters-Killing-Spidery-Mans continues, more Spider-peoples running away and shit.  Amazing Spider-Man #12 was hyped up to have a huge, megaton reveal, but it kind of fell flat to me.

Summary:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
During this event, the various Spider-Men were taking refuge in a universe protected by the Spider-Man fused the power of Captain Universe.  The head of Morlun's family pops up and kills him easily, leaving them with no safe places to go.  However, Silk teleported to a version of Earth that was an apocalyptic wasteland and the hunters chasing her were scared to go there.  The place is highly irradiated and the Spider-Men can withstand the radiation, but others can't.  She finds a safe place to go -the hidden 'vault' that she was locked in on 616 Earth is here in this world, and it's Spider-Man is still there.
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The reveal:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's Uncle Ben.
(http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/141/367/original/ASM_12_Uncle_Ben_Reveal.jpg?1420644737)
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But since it's just an alternate version of the character, I don't see what the big deal is.  Maybe it will lead to something though.

Also, Spider-Horse and the talking Spider-Car!
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h127/Manmademan/speedbuggy_zps7dd341b2.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 08, 2015, 02:59:00 PM
Marvel...... ahahahahahaaaa
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 08, 2015, 03:09:36 PM
just a reminder to never purchase Image comics at full price

https://www.humblebundle.com/books?logo&utm_source=Humble+Bundle+Newsletter&utm_campaign=3186953348-Humble_Image_Comics_Bundle_2&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_990b1b6399-3186953348-94406665

Anything good in there?

pretty much everything is worth reading for the price

except for the walking dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on January 08, 2015, 09:01:18 PM
Spider-Verse resumed this week.  More Spider-Totem-Hunters-Killing-Spidery-Mans continues, more Spider-peoples running away and shit.  Amazing Spider-Man #12 was hyped up to have a huge, megaton reveal, but it kind of fell flat to me.

Summary:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
During this event, the various Spider-Men were taking refuge in a universe protected by the Spider-Man fused the power of Captain Universe.  The head of Morlun's family pops up and kills him easily, leaving them with no safe places to go.  However, Silk teleported to a version of Earth that was an apocalyptic wasteland and the hunters chasing her were scared to go there.  The place is highly irradiated and the Spider-Men can withstand the radiation, but others can't.  She finds a safe place to go -the hidden 'vault' that she was locked in on 616 Earth is here in this world, and it's Spider-Man is still there.
[close]

The reveal:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
It's Uncle Ben.
(http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/141/367/original/ASM_12_Uncle_Ben_Reveal.jpg?1420644737)
[close]

But since it's just an alternate version of the character, I don't see what the big deal is.  Maybe it will lead to something though.

Also, Spider-Horse and the talking Spider-Car!
(http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h127/Manmademan/speedbuggy_zps7dd341b2.png)


(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/53561352/Reaction_Images_Gif/10859754_995315170484177_234897580_n.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 10, 2015, 01:51:19 PM
Started my re-read of Age of Apocalypse. Just finished X-Men Alpha and it really does hold up. So many bizarre concepts, so many bizarre character allegiances. I love that Rogue had a fuckin baby with Magneto  :lol :lol :lol

I'm going to go through each miniseries on it's own before I read Omega. I can't wait to re-read the fuckery that goes on in Generation Next.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2015, 08:07:24 AM
http://marvel.com/news/comics/23916/japanese_spiderman_rocks_spider-verse_returns_to_marvelcom

Marvel is streaming two episodes of the 1970s tokusatsu Spider-Man show.  They haven't hosted these for 6 years
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 11, 2015, 08:10:57 AM
http://marvel.com/news/comics/23916/japanese_spiderman_rocks_spider-verse_returns_to_marvelcom

Marvel is streaming two episodes of the 1970s tokusatsu Spider-Man show.  They haven't hosted these for 6 years

i guess they want to give some insight on his and leopaldons inclusion in spiderverse. smart
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eric P on January 11, 2015, 09:26:18 AM
that's essentially the justification for it.  They used to host 13 episodes back in the day.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 12, 2015, 09:24:38 AM
This is the only Spider-Man video you need to watch.  :smug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11hpv13xSzE

If I'm hearing it right, Spider-Man introduces himself as "the warrior from hell" in the first few clips.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 12, 2015, 09:46:23 AM
This is the only Spider-Man video you need to watch.  :smug

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11hpv13xSzE

If I'm hearing it right, Spider-Man introduces himself as "the warrior from hell" in the first few clips.   :lol

its amazing the influence spider man had on modern toku series(dynamic poses, mecha battles)its pretty obvious why the character is popular in japan

it would be dope if marvel gave toei permission to do a modern variant like they did with inazuman or kikaider, but i fear they would intervene too much

and fuck, im watching it again. his pose game is too on point
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 12, 2015, 10:50:43 AM
I watched Supaidaman a few months ago, awesome show. :rock

CHANGE LEOPARDON!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on January 13, 2015, 10:06:07 PM
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--toqo9hQX--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/pecgycqliufxkj9xjpl5.jpg)

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HE'S IN RIVERDALE WITH A FEW DAYS TO KILL!

Archie vs. Predator #1 (of 4)

Alex de Campi (W), Fernando Ruiz (P/Cover), Rich Koslowski (I), Jason Millet (C), Eric Powell (Variant cover), and Francesco Francavilla (Variant cover)

On sale Apr 15

FC, 32 pages

$3.99

Miniseries

America's favorite teen meets the galaxy's fiercest hunter! Archie and friends hit Costa Rica for Spring Break, where party games and beach games are soon replaced by the Most Dangerous Game! What mysterious attraction does the gang hold for the trophy-collecting Predator, and will the kids even realize they're in danger before it claims them all?
· The wildest Archie crossover ever (and that's saying something)!
· From Alex de Campi (Grindhouse, My Little Pony)
· Variant covers by Eric Powell (The Goon) and Francesco Francavilla (Afterlife with Archie)!
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 13, 2015, 10:52:27 PM
archie looking badass has me interested, but i can only get with archie in digest form
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on January 14, 2015, 01:26:13 PM
Avengers #40  :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 15, 2015, 03:13:24 AM
tchalla at prime not giving a fuck mode in this issue.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 15, 2015, 07:50:55 AM
Avengers 40:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I doubt Namor or any of the Cabal are dead.  Still, Namor got was coming.
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Where has Black Bolt been all this time?  I thought he was dead?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2015, 02:54:13 PM
Read through the Waid Fantastic Four Run #60-70, 500-524.

Was good, great, then good again.  My first time reading anything FF and I liked the initial cleverness and humor, the way the team played off each other and gelled.  Then Doctor Doom arc was pretty cool and the ramifications of it going on for the next arc or two or three were great and goofy but fun.  Then some filler and then the Galactus stuff was solid.  The run was generally well written and fun and it made me like the Fantastic Four and I'm looking forward to reading more of their stuff and maybe even seeing the upcoming movie if it's not crap (unlikely).


My only real issues with the Wade run is that nothing permanent seems like it can really happen.  They can't kill off a FF member or change The Thing back to human or anything because then they wouldn't be the Fantastic Four.  So there are minor changes but they lack real impact because everything will be all fine and back to status quo again in 20 issues.  I know that's a big problem with the Marvel Universe in general, but at least with X-men there's like a million mutants/characters so they can do some pretty major changes here and there.  The characters and who they are aren't completely locked in stone like Fantastic Four. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 16, 2015, 03:14:39 PM
My only real issues with the Wade run is that nothing permanent seems like it can really happen.  They can't kill off a FF member or change The Thing back to human or anything because then they wouldn't be the Fantastic Four.  So there are minor changes but they lack real impact because everything will be all fine and back to status quo again in 20 issues.  I know that's a big problem with the Marvel Universe in general, but at least with X-men there's like a million mutants/characters so they can do some pretty major changes here and there.  The characters and who they are aren't completely locked in stone like Fantastic Four. 

Actually, the Thing being back to human has been done before.  And it lasted for a pretty long time.  At least a few years, IIRC.  And the FF has been more than just the core four members in the past, too.  Back in the late 80s/early 90s, the thing's girlfriend was Ms. Marvel (Sharon Ventura, not Carol Danvers.  Nice and confusing!).  She ended up becoming a female version of the Thing and he was turned back into a human.  But he got an armored suit that made him look like he did as the Thing, so he could still fight.  They also had a storyline where both Reed and Doom were presumed dead for a while.  I can't remember if this is what led to that awful 1993 or 1994 year-long plotline of Reed being gone and Sue taking over as team leader -wearing one of the most hilariously-bad scantily clad costumes- because I'm pretty sure that was the second time Reed was presumed dead.    :lol  During that time, the Fantastic "Four" were like eight members strong, too.   :lol

I never read the Waid FF run but will check it out if you're recommending it.  Haven't read FF in a long time...tried the last series out and got bored quick. 

One of the older stories I remember enjoying was the "New Fantastic Four" story from the early 90s.  It's a short storyline drawn by Art Adams that lasted maybe 4-5 issues.  Can't remember the writer.  Without spoiling anything, something happens to the FF and Spider-Man, Hulk, Wolverine, and Ghost Rider take over.  Was a fun read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 16, 2015, 04:31:20 PM
Yeah, it's definitely worth a read.  After a few issues it becomes a real page turner for a while.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 16, 2015, 05:30:25 PM
Avengers #40 pissed me the fuck off.
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Namor and the Cabal are the only ones doing what's needed. They'd all be dead if not for those great heroes.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 16, 2015, 05:44:41 PM
I think the cliffhanger in that issue is just a big tease. 
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Nobody is going to be dead...especially Thanos.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 16, 2015, 05:49:49 PM
Avengers #40 pissed me the fuck off.
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Namor and the Cabal are the only ones doing what's needed. They'd all be dead if not for those great heroes.
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he shouldnt have taunted tchalla.

I think the cliffhanger in that issue is just a big tease. 
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Nobody is going to be dead...especially Thanos.
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secret wars already spoilered this. besides, the big dude came back from worse
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2015, 12:18:34 AM
While I was on a trip for the weekend, at night read through Frank Miller's 1993, Daredevil - The Man Without Fear which was a solid origin peace until I got to the end of issue 5 and THERE WAS NO ISSUE 6  ???

It didn't really have a decent conclusion, so I tried to figure out where the next continuity was to follow the story and that took me back to 1963 which didn't really match up since the 1993 one was a retcon so it was kind of confusing and I basically just read a ton of issues that seemed important from the 1963-1997 run (although Marvel Unlimited is missing a ton and doesn't have anything between 1994-1997).  I read all the Kingpin issues, all the Bullseye issues, Born Again, some of the Elecktra stuff.  Most of it was awful in that 1960/70s camp, though Born Again by Miller was alright.  That and with the help of Wikipedia I think I have a general grasp on everything Daredevil that happens before the 1998 Bendis run.  But I've learned two things:

1) Daredevil is a really dull character.  The stories themselves can be entertaining gritty crime like The Punisher, but Matt Murdock has the personality of cardboard.  Bullseye is entertaining since he's Deadpool except evil and Kingpin is good as a super ruthless kill everyone that frowns character.  But Daredevil sucks.

2) Ok, so the 1993 retcon Origin has this big red herring about Stitch the blind janitor and his organization behind the shadows.  It's real interesting in that 5 issue run.  So I'm thinking is Stitch like an Angel/Devil like from Constantine or from another dimension like Immortal Iron Fist?  Were Daredevil's powers actually part of some larger cosmic plan and not just some kid that gets radiated and suddenly can hear heartbeats?  I'm pretty excited and I'm having trouble finding where the hell the Stitch story continuation is post-Man without Fear.  Well, it turns out that it's in issue like 181 or something of the 1963 run (around the early 80s) and Stitch is actually just a fucking member of the FOOT CLAN FROM NINJA TURTLES OUT TO RECRUIT MORE NINJAS.   :kobeyuck What?  Could they have come up with a less interesting plotline?  All that setting up in the 1993 Retcon just for...nothing.  Man, that was the biggest letdown I've had in a while.  How do you make ninja reveals a let down? 

Anyhow, now I'm really interested in the Daredevil Netflix show because it's going to take the Frank Miller 1993 Origin story and run with it for about 4-5 eps and then it'll actually have the chance to continue from it in full continuity and tone with the subplots and characters and themes that it setup.  Having to go from that Origin -> 1960s Benny Hill Daredevil in continuity is freaking awful.  Even going to 1980s Frank Miller is not very good as it feel different and the two worlds seem off continuity.  So have a chance to restart Daredevil and keep the tone consistent could be pretty cool.

This is also is the first comic I've read that is a very good argument for rebooting the Marvel Universe so you don't have modern day Origin stories/early era stories that completely conflict in tone and continuity with the 1950s/60s/70s comics.

Gonna read Bendis now (gotta read the Shitty Kevin Smith 1-15 first :\ ), then probably will read Black Panther next.  Want to catch up on all the different Marvel characters before continuing on with the Marvel Universe post Avengers Disassembled.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 19, 2015, 02:32:10 AM
Which Black Panther series are you going to read?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2015, 03:54:07 AM
1998 Priest run.  Using this-

http://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/knights-until-avengers-disassembled/

-page as a basis for all the stuff to catch up on before moving to post-2004 era Marvel.  Probably already read about 1/3rd of those.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 19, 2015, 04:01:36 AM
1998 Priest run.  Using this page as a basis for all the stuff to catch up on before moving to post-2004 era Marvel.  Probably already read about 1/3rd of those.

its good stuff. pass on the hudlin run though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on January 19, 2015, 06:45:23 AM
got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 20, 2015, 12:49:55 AM
got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?

which era of xfactor? theres 4 distinct series. the first had the original xmen as the lineup, the second had the government run team(one of my favorite lineups ever. havok with the GOAT costume) the third and most popular is the dectective agency run with jamie madrox as the lead character, and the current soon to be ending run that has polaris as the leader of a corporate run super team
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 20, 2015, 12:54:49 AM
The first X-Factor with the original X-Men is one of my favourite series and the 2005 Peter David X-Factor is really great too. I thought it went off the rails after Messiah Complex, but the first 25 or so issues are incredible.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Crash Dummy on January 20, 2015, 07:10:52 AM
sounds like it's worth just getting marvel unlimited for a month and slogging through it all

edit: is there a service similar to marvel unlimited  for dc? i just went on comixology and say there's a bunch of green lantern stuff for sale. i do want to try get into some dc stuff but apprehensive about buying shit willy nilly
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 20, 2015, 08:09:16 AM
Speaking of old X books, I went back and re-read a lot of the Uncanny X-Men books, starting from where I last left off in 2005 (before resuming again in 2009 or 2010) and...couldn't really get through most of it.  I skipped the space stuff with Vulcan which led into the storyline of the X-Men going to San Francisco and starting up a haven for all mutants.  Most of the stories were pretty boring or bad, and the art -from Greg Land- was vomit-inducing.  I did like it when Terry Dodson stepped in instead and also enjoyed the X-Club's antics.  Time traveling Beast and friends should have been a series of its own.

got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?

which era of xfactor? theres 4 distinct series. the first had the original xmen as the lineup, the second had the government run team(one of my favorite lineups ever. havok with the GOAT costume) the third and most popular is the dectective agency run with jamie madrox as the lead character, and the current soon to be ending run that has polaris as the leader of a corporate run super team

I thought Gambit was the leader?  But I dunno; I dropped that book quick.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 20, 2015, 12:44:01 PM
Around 2004-2006 in Uncanny X-Men was really weird. Chris Claremont came back for his third run on the book, and while it obviously wasn't as good as his original run, it was a LOT better than his 2000 Revolution attempts. It did have one of my favourite storylines, "End of Greys" with art by god-tier X-Artist Chris Bachalo. If you haven't read that one, you really should.

Brubaker took over in 2006-ish with a massive 12 issue space-arc that led off from the X-Men: Deadly Genesis miniseries. I hated reading it while it came out, but I re-read the whole saga and it's pretty fun. It leads into the X-Men space team featuring Havok, Rachel Grey and Polaris and they crossover with the big cosmic Marvel space stories like War of Kings.

After Brubaker, Fraction took over and his run was a clusterfuck. Really just disastrous. It wasn't until Kieron Gillen took over and the book was relaunched after Schism that it was readable again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 20, 2015, 12:45:48 PM
Speaking of old X books, I went back and re-read a lot of the Uncanny X-Men books, starting from where I last left off in 2005 (before resuming again in 2009 or 2010) and...couldn't really get through most of it.  I skipped the space stuff with Vulcan which led into the storyline of the X-Men going to San Francisco and starting up a haven for all mutants.  Most of the stories were pretty boring or bad, and the art -from Greg Land- was vomit-inducing.  I did like it when Terry Dodson stepped in instead and also enjoyed the X-Club's antics.  Time traveling Beast and friends should have been a series of its own.

got around to reading final crisis, my first dc event/story and really enjoyed it especially all the meta superman stuff. any other stories in a similar vein? and how's x-factor?

which era of xfactor? theres 4 distinct series. the first had the original xmen as the lineup, the second had the government run team(one of my favorite lineups ever. havok with the GOAT costume) the third and most popular is the dectective agency run with jamie madrox as the lead character, and the current soon to be ending run that has polaris as the leader of a corporate run super team

I thought Gambit was the leader?  But I dunno; I dropped that book quick.

naw, he was the first person she recruited and the main character of the series for the most part. the love triangle between cypher, warlock and danger was pretty funny, and we see pietro as something other than a douche, and its kinda refreshing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 20, 2015, 01:02:02 PM

After Brubaker, Fraction took over and his run was a clusterfuck. Really just disastrous. It wasn't until Kieron Gillen took over and the book was relaunched after Schism that it was readable again.

Yeah, it's the Fraction run that I was just not liking.  Some of the later pre-schism stuff was all right, though, after Marvel did the whole "Heroic Age" thing.

Never realized how much stuff with Psylocke was just "let's fuck with this character!" too.   :lol  Was never a fan of the weird UK Captain Britain/Roma/Jamie stuff with her that Claremont liked to do either.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 20, 2015, 01:24:27 PM
Marvel UK is such garbage. Chris Claremont is obsessed with it. The original X-Calibur was pretty great, but New X-Calibur and everything related to Captain Britain was hilariously bad. Pete Wisdom  :lol Faiza Hussein  :lol Roma  :lol The X-men saving the Queen  :lol

Yeah and about that Black Panther/Namor stuff
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Namor did Wakanda dirty, but honestly, he was possessed by the Phoenix so whatever. I've moved past it and so should everyone else.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 20, 2015, 02:05:15 PM
Marvel UK is such garbage. Chris Claremont is obsessed with it. The original X-Calibur was pretty great, but New X-Calibur and everything related to Captain Britain was hilariously bad. Pete Wisdom  :lol Faiza Hussein  :lol Roma  :lol The X-men saving the Queen  :lol

Yeah and about that Black Panther/Namor stuff
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Namor did Wakanda dirty, but honestly, he was possessed by the Phoenix so whatever. I've moved past it and so should everyone else.
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no more than the other members of the p5 and they are well aware of what they did. doesnt help that namor bragged about drowning wakanda and sending thanos and is crew there.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 20, 2015, 02:07:54 PM
Sorry, I just hate Black Panther.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 20, 2015, 02:13:46 PM
Sorry, I just hate Black Panther.  :yeshrug

i wish people would be more honest. so many dudes have been trying to push namor as a saint
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 20, 2015, 03:47:59 PM
Marvel just had their Secret Wars press conference.

First details of this are that the 616 and Ultimate universes will be combining.  I assume this is going to lead to a reboot of sorts, but will not reset everything like the New 52 did.  It would be kind of cool if this means multiple versions of some characters, I.E. Ultimate Iron Man is now the good guy and Superior Iron Man becomes a full-fledged super villain.

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Marvel has promised "the announcement to end all announcements" at today's "Secret Wars" press conference with Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso and Senior Vice President of Publishing Tom Brevoort, as more of the May-debuting event series from Jonathan Hickman and Esad Ribic is slated to be revealed.

Marvel PR's Chris D'Lando started the event, hosted at Midtown Comics in New York City, by recapping the original "Secret Wars" announcement last fall at New York Comic Con. D'Lando asked Alonso and Brevoort how it feels to get to this point, given that Hickman's "Avengers" run has been building to the event since 2012.

"'Secret Wars' is the culmination of the storyline that Jonathan has been telling, beginning with the first issue of 'Avengers' and 'New Avengers' that he wrote," Brevoort said. "Readers have begun to get a sense of the whole picture, and seem to be becoming much more excited about it, which is great. This is something that we've been headed towards literally since the start of Marvel NOW!."

Brevoort related that the idea for "Secret Wars" actually originated before Hickman's "Avengers" run began, before everyone at Marvel saw the potential of what the story could be. "It's a lot bigger now than what was originally imagined," Brevoort said. "I've said it before, it sounds like typical Stan Lee hyperbole, but it is difficult to imagine something that would be larger in scope and scale than what we're doing in 'Secret Wars.' We've never done anything like this before, ever."

"All the divisions are in line," Alonso added. "It's the most coordinated event we've ever done. As everyone knows, we're a shared universe. Every single time we've done an event, we've always had to be mindful of 'Secret Wars.'"

Brevoort recapped the current "Avengers" storyline, "a series of intersections between universes. Situations where two parallel universes intersect at a given point." Such intersections are called "incursions" -- "two Earths go in, one comes out. Or none of them come out."

"Having become aware of this, the Black Panther reformed the Illuminati," Brevoort continued, though the group has not yet figured out how to deal with the problem.

Alonso prepared to drop the "big bomb": "The Ultimate Universe, the Marvel Universe, they're going to slap together. Imagine two pizzas: They're going to combine toppings, some toppings are going to drop off. And that is the Marvel Universe moving forward. It's more than the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe, it's all the universes you can imagine. That is the Marvel Universe going forward."

The final issues of "Avengers" and "New Avengers" will build up to this incursion, but "Secret Wars" #1 will contain the main action of this event "The heroes of those two worlds will have eight hours to figure out what to do about it before both universes are destroyed," Brevoort said. "And they won't. I've ruined 'Secret Wars' #1 for you!"

The previously revealed "Battleworld" is the "melting world from which the new Marvel Universe will be fermented," Brevoort said, calling it the "detritus" from the resulted combined Marvel Universe. "Various characters will live their lives, and contend with this new situation, and set up all the building blocks and the bedrock of what the new Marvel Universe will be going forward."

"There will be conflicts and fighting," Alonso added. "Imagine that."

"Once you hit 'Secret Wars' #1, there's no Marvel Universe, there's no Ultimate Universe," Brevoort said. "It's all Battleworld." "None of these stories are What Ifs are alternate reality stories," Alonso said. "And they will have legs. They will impart new things into the Marvel Universe going forward."

All of the previously revealed Battleworld teasers represent parts of the new Marvel Universe, and are described as only the "tip of the iceberg." Several "Secret Wars"-related announcements are planned over the next two weeks.

"If you're an 'Amazing Spider-Man' reader, this is going to be your book," Alonso said, pointing to the teaser of a married Peter Parker and Mary Jane with a child.

The presentation that cut to the previously released "Battleworld" teaser video, showing the series of teaser images combining into the new Battleworld landscape. "We haven't even announced half the titles," D'Lando said of the "Secret Wars" tie-ins. An interactive map of Battleworld will be released later today on Marvel.com.

Talk turns to the "Secret Wars" Free Comic Book Day release. "It's a little bit of a primer," Brevoort said. "You'll get caught up to speed where everything is in the Marvel Universe and the Ultimate Universe going into 'Secret Wars.'" Also, the issue will include the Marvel/Attack on Titan crossover, previously only published in Japan.

The cover to "Secret Wars" #2, illustrated by Alex Ross, is revealed. "There's a whole lot of Thor going on," Brevoort said of the image.

"Secret Wars" #2 will also ship in May. "In sort of an odd twist, the second issue is the fat one. It's a gargantuan, oversized issue. It will give a full guided tour of the new Battleworld, and set up everything you need to know. Esad Ribic just turned in the last pages for it earlier today. Stunningly beautiful work by Esad."

Speaking of the legacy of the story, Alonso said, "This is putting an endcap to decades of stories, and starting a new era. When you see the scope of the stories, you'll see what we're willing to do. If we wanted to resurrect Gwen Stacy, this would be the place to do it, wouldn't it? If you ever wondered what would happen if you take the 'Age of Ultron' universe and perch it next to the 'Marvel Zombies' universe, this would be the place to do it." Alonso said he thinks "Secret Wars" will be a great jumping-on point for new fans.

Hasbro, Mighty Fine, Mad Engine, Funko and Hot Wheels are named as licensors working on "Secret Wars" merchandise. Marvel's game division is also at work on interactive tie-ins.

"We tell our own stories," Alonso said, of the belief that Marvel publishing follows the lead of Marvel Studios. "You'll be shocked at the chances we're willing to take."

The live stream has frozen, but here's a quote from Brevoort via Marvel's Twitter account:

Doesn't look like the stream is starting again, but according to Marvel, the presentation has ended. CBR's Brett White is on-site for the post-event Q&A, and will have a full report soon. Keep reading CBR for much more coverage on "Secret Wars"!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 20, 2015, 03:52:17 PM
nothing new the press conference.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 20, 2015, 03:59:18 PM
Hope my precious Ultimate X-Men survive. I think I was the only one reading Wood's Ultimate X-Men run and it was really fucking good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 20, 2015, 04:08:06 PM
Hope my precious Ultimate X-Men survive. I think I was the only one reading Wood's Ultimate X-Men run and it was really fucking good.

luckily for the ultimate universe, there are so few characters they call all go to 616 without any issues
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 20, 2015, 04:13:58 PM
Watch them do the "ultimate" FUCK YOU to Fox and send the Fantastic Four and X-Men off to the Ultimate universe, completely away from the rest of 616 at the end of this.

I have to wonder though...does most of the movie-going population even give a shit about silly comic books?  Seems doubtful.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 20, 2015, 04:24:20 PM
I don't know. Ultimate X-Men focused on Kitty Pryde, Jean Grey, Rogue, Storm, Iceman with some minor roles for Psylocke and Warpath. Those are all pretty well known in the main universe. The only unique Ultimate X-Men character was Mach 2, who was basically a teenage girl version of Magneto and Jimmy Hudson who is the teenage son of Wolverine.

As much as I wish all of them could come over and just continue their adventures in 616, their storyline was so intertwined with the fucked up Ultimate world (mutants were genetic experiments, Jean Grey as some cult-leader on a floating island called Tian, Kitty Pryde leading a mutant reservation in Utah, etc.) that they couldn't exist in a normal X-Men world.

The more I think about it, the more it seems like they're going to go down with the ship. RIP my babies.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 20, 2015, 04:33:10 PM
Watch them do the "ultimate" FUCK YOU to Fox and send the Fantastic Four and X-Men off to the Ultimate universe, completely away from the rest of 616 at the end of this.

I have to wonder though...does most of the movie-going population even give a shit about silly comic books?  Seems doubtful.

with ult reed being a part of secret wars, and the xmen 92 plot in battleworld, i doubt that was ever an idea

and no, movie goers dont.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 21, 2015, 03:26:35 PM
The Marvel Battleworld interactive map is up. It's like 90% unfinished and I'm still not sure what the hell it's supposed to be  :-\ http://marvel.com/comics/events/323/secret_wars_2015 (http://marvel.com/comics/events/323/secret_wars_2015)

Earth 1610 (Ultimate Universe) gets it's own little space in Manhattan. There's hope yet for my babies.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 21, 2015, 03:59:54 PM
theyve survived being crippled before. and everyone counted them out during the hunger event. maybe they'll pull a rudy and survive this somehow. or they could end up like the ultraverse
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 21, 2015, 04:44:11 PM
Today's Magneto and All New X-Men were great. Magneto is surprisingly one of the best current Marvel series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 22, 2015, 08:20:30 AM
Started reading the Godhead mini-series that ran in the Lantern books.  Basically The Green Lantern Corps & Friends versus The New Gods.  I'm not that familiar with the latter (never cared about them) but this has been a fun read so far.  The Lanterns are getting totally fucked up by the God crew.

In Earth 2, guess who died again?  :lol 
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Superman!  He sacrificed himself to free a trapped demon (on the good guys' side) and shut down the factories making para-demons all over the planet. 
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Also in what is perhaps a comic book milestone, Powergirl finally covered up her boob window with a Superman "S" symbol.   :o

And over in Spider-Verse, things are finally beginning to come to an end. 
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In the Scarlet Spiders mini-series, the three clone Spideys succeed in shutting down the facility that produces clone bodies for the spider-hunters to keep regenerating themselves with.  Ben Reilly sacrifices himself to do it, which makes no sense to me since him being dead would fuck up continuity, but I guess we're either A) not supposed to think about this or B) he's actually from some other universe.  Probably the latter.  Kaine goes nuts and goes to attack the spider-hunters on their own turf, transforming into a giant spider...man.  Then Silk goes to the same place to try and rescue Spider-Woman, who has been there undercover.  This is what the hunters want, since Kaine (The Other), Silk (The Bride), and baby Ben (The Scion) are all needed in the same place for them to achieve real ultimate power or whatever.  So what about OMG UNCLE BEN?!?!.  Well this was a big nothing.  He's alternate reality Ben who got spider powers and gave up being Spider-Man after his reality's Green Goblin killed May and Peter.  He hid in a bunker even when Doctor Octopus was threatening the world, fucked up, and caused a nuclear disaster.  It ends up being The Superior Spider-Man who gets in his face and tells him to man up and fight with everyone.  Superior also realizes that the 616 Spider-Man with him is in fact Peter Parker from the present time -his future- meaning he now knows he's going to 'lose' and Peter will get his body back.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 22, 2015, 12:43:41 PM
Today's Magneto and All New X-Men were great. Magneto is surprisingly one of the best current Marvel series.

im suprised he surrendered, but im hoping this leads to him speaking out about whats going on with mutants

And over in Spider-Verse, things are finally beginning to come to an end. 
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In the Scarlet Spiders mini-series, the three clone Spideys succeed in shutting down the facility that produces clone bodies for the spider-hunters to keep regenerating themselves with.  Ben Reilly sacrifices himself to do it, which makes no sense to me since him being dead would fuck up continuity, but I guess we're either A) not supposed to think about this or B) he's actually from some other universe.  Probably the latter.  Kaine goes nuts and goes to attack the spider-hunters on their own turf, transforming into a giant spider...man.  Then Silk goes to the same place to try and rescue Spider-Woman, who has been there undercover.  This is what the hunters want, since Kaine (The Other), Silk (The Bride), and baby Ben (The Scion) are all needed in the same place for them to achieve real ultimate power or whatever.  So what about OMG UNCLE BEN?!?!.  Well this was a big nothing.  He's alternate reality Ben who got spider powers and gave up being Spider-Man after his reality's Green Goblin killed May and Peter.  He hid in a bunker even when Doctor Octopus was threatening the world, fucked up, and caused a nuclear disaster.  It ends up being The Superior Spider-Man who gets in his face and tells him to man up and fight with everyone.  Superior also realizes that the 616 Spider-Man with him is in fact Peter Parker from the present time -his future- meaning he now knows he's going to 'lose' and Peter will get his body back.
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yeah, they go out of their to say its an alt ben
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all that about being successful where pete failed
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im kinda curious to the end game of all this
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 22, 2015, 01:25:29 PM
It feels like Spider-Verse is irrelevant now with Secret Wars, which is like the same thing on a much bigger scale.  But Spider-Verse is fun and easy to follow, since it's just happening within the Spider-Man titles.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 22, 2015, 02:15:03 PM
It feels like Spider-Verse is irrelevant now with Secret Wars, which is like the same thing on a much bigger scale.  But Spider-Verse is fun and easy to follow, since it's just happening within the Spider-Man titles.

theres not much bitching going on with spiderverse too, so theres that
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 26, 2015, 12:08:56 PM
So edgy  :usacry

(http://i.imgur.com/ekQVDIu.png)

 :bow Ultimate X-Men :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 26, 2015, 02:41:58 PM
Read the first Bendis arc in Daredevil with the traumatic kid and Ben the reporter.  Really cool art style.  Liked it a lot.


Started reading Avengers Forever and it's ok but I can totally picture that if you were a reader of Avengers since like the 60s what a cool arc it would be to pull your favorite Era version of Avengers characters and put them on a team together.  It's like a fighting game!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 27, 2015, 08:59:13 AM
Read Red Sonja: The Black Tower, which is a four-issue mini involving the titular structure appearing in a town and making the people go crazy.  Two people emerge from the tower and are labeled demons by the asshole badguy barbarian villain.  He kills the man and tries to rape the woman before Sonja pops up and cuts off his finger after he touches her boob (yes, really), and then through the course of events...his junk.  Anyway, the town becomes a den of sin and debauchery while the tower just sits there.  The asshole barbarian guy becomes the town leader and after a number of years pass, gets people to bring him Sonja, who is now missing an eye.  She of course stops him and then the tower doors open, and here's where shit gets stupid and weird.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Armored guys that almost look like Doombots holding lightsabers emerge and are revealed to in fact be robots.  They take over the town and drive Sonja away.  Years pass and the robots have made everyone's lives miserable.  Their leader emerges from the tower and it is implied that his robot army has taken over the world.  They have guns and tanks, so the barbarians are pretty much helpless.  Sonja shows up again, now older (and by that, I mean she has some white streaks in her hair and otherwise looks the same.  Come on, guys.)  and leading a barbarian army.  The robots easily crush the resistance and their leader cuts off Sonja's head.  Yep, she's dead.

Fast forward a number of years and we find out that the leader is a human wearing armor.  There's little pockets of resistance but his dictatorship stops anything from happening.  People are now used to technology and would-be assassins use guns and such.  There's a 'religion' that started off as black tower worshippers -all female- who have over time changed into essentially a bunch of whores worshipping the leader.  He sleeps with one of them, a woman with short red hair (HINT) and then shows her that he is in fact a time traveler.  The tower is a giant time machine and his parents are the two people who came out back in issue one.  The woman then attacks him and reveals that she is either Red Sonja reincarnated, cloned, or something else (seriously, this is how the dialogue goes...not even the writer knows what's going on here, lol) and cuts off his head.

She then proceeds to go back in time to the beginning of the story.  She kills asshole barbarian guy, then kills the main villain's (innocent) mother to prevent him from being born, which causes her to fade out of existence and the tower disappears.  Then we see Sonja riding towards the town.
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:dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on January 28, 2015, 05:00:18 PM
Multiversity Guidebook  :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 28, 2015, 06:58:48 PM
Multiversity Guidebook  :whew

Yeah that was cool, I definitely would read books with some of those Earths.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 29, 2015, 01:31:30 AM
Multiversity Guidebook  :whew

Yeah that was cool, I definitely would read books with some of those Earths.

those earths already exist. im suprised they added stan lees justice league to the mix.

well most of them anyway
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 29, 2015, 03:55:58 PM
Spider-man and the X-Men :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on January 29, 2015, 04:06:16 PM
Can't get enough of ms marvel
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on January 30, 2015, 02:55:07 AM
Can't get enough of ms marvel

I love it. Easily the best female ongoing there.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on January 30, 2015, 02:57:41 AM
seriously, i'm in love with this book like nothing else. it really helps it has a lot of spider-man'sms. Spidey is my fave fave, and his books are trash now, so it really helps me feel like I'm getting some weird Spider-Man reboot. i like she hulk a lot too. lots of good books out. marvel is killing it :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 30, 2015, 01:56:03 PM
Some major shit happened in Uncanny X-Men.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The current storyline is about a new mutant being discovered named Matthew Maloy (http://marvel.wikia.com/Matthew_Malloy_%28Earth-616%29).  Matthew is an omega-level telepath/telekinetic with insane destructive power.  But it turns out that he is not "new" at all-- Xavier was aware of him in his youth and used his own power to basically "hide" Matthew and suppress his power.  This finally backfired and Matthew started destroying shit.  SHIELD wants to take him out but Cyclops and Magik get to him first.  Other stuff happens but the big thing here is that SHIELD tries to kill him with missiles and Matthew retaliates...which in the end kills Cyclops and Magik.  They're nothing but bones.  He then makes his way to the X-Men and ends up killing Emma Frost too.  To stop Matthew, younger new mutant Eva Bell goes back in time and brings back...Xavier.
[close]

I can see this storyline going in three ways.  It's either just self-contained and everyone comes back after it's over.  Or this ties into Secret Wars. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or this not only ties into Secret Wars, but the younger Xavier sticks around and ends up becoming the younger also-from-the-last X-Men's teacher...before this is all fixed with Secret Wars.
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Spidey is my fave fave, and his books are trash now

:what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on January 30, 2015, 01:57:39 PM
Spidey is my fave fave, and his books are trash now

:what

what are good spidey books then
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 30, 2015, 02:04:01 PM
Superior was a good read.  Amazing has been fun since it came back.  So has has 2099.  And Ultimate with Miles is great too, albeit very slow-paced.

 :yeshrug

They're doing good things with the Spidey books.  I have no real complaints about any of them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on January 30, 2015, 02:44:39 PM
Superior was good until a little after halfway when I recognized Slott's pattern of "drastic status quo changing decision made for Peter? nah lemme hand-wave that away".

Amazing rebooted and I haven't been particularly impressed with it. I've actually dropped it and don't really care for this Spider-Verse stuff to be honest.

2099 is good but I haven't read the last few issues.

Spider-Woman has potential but its in event hell right now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on January 30, 2015, 02:51:41 PM
I'm waiting for the spiderverse crap to die off. when are they getting mj and peter back together again? read something about an event coming june 2015?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 30, 2015, 02:58:31 PM
I'm waiting for the spiderverse crap to die off. when are they getting mj and peter back together again? read something about an event coming june 2015?

secret wars tie in. we dont know what that means except mayday exists, so its not our pete. i wouldnt expect a happy ending
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on January 30, 2015, 03:00:37 PM
:snoop
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 30, 2015, 03:01:46 PM
Read Spider-Verse, guys.  It's a blast and it's easy to follow since it's just happening in a few Spidey books.  Spider-Woman being tied to the event is just weird to me, though.  I never saw that character as being a 'Spider-Man' type.  Plus there's Silk and now Spider-Gwen.  Did we really need her to have a new series start and immediately be part of Spider-Verse?  Worse yet, did Greg Land really have to be drawing it?   :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 30, 2015, 03:02:43 PM
There's no telling what's going to come out Secret Wars.  No face-palming just yet.  We could very well see all the shit that's happened since One More Day 'fixed' and Spider-Man back with Mary Jane.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on January 30, 2015, 03:04:43 PM
There's no telling what's going to come out Secret Wars.  No face-palming just yet.  We could very well see all the shit that's happened since One More Day 'fixed' and Spider-Man back with Mary Jane.

that's what i'm hoping
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 30, 2015, 03:11:00 PM
My real problem with Secret Wars right now is that now that we know what it is and what they're doing...

...all the current stuff feels irrelevant.   :lol  Hurry it up, bros.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 30, 2015, 03:11:20 PM
There's no telling what's going to come out Secret Wars.  No face-palming just yet.  We could very well see all the shit that's happened since One More Day 'fixed' and Spider-Man back with Mary Jane.

with slott and quesada still around?

all i want from this is the door to the ultimates closed, marvelman brought into the fold. and to stop this multiverse smashing shit that going on
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on January 30, 2015, 03:28:02 PM
Quesada's not in charge anymore and has nothing to do with Spider-Man books AFAIK.

I don't see the multiverse stuff going away.  Even DC did that with the New 52 and then hey!  Earth 2!  Followed by HEY!  EARTH 3!  And then there's all that Multiversity stuff that Morrison is doing. 

I see a future Marvel storyline happening where OH SHIT!  ANOTHER EARTH LOLWUT happens within a few years of Secret Wars ending.  You just know it.  Plus not all the multiverses are going away anyway...The Marvel Cinematic Universe counts lolol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 30, 2015, 03:38:30 PM
Quesada's not in charge anymore and has nothing to do with Spider-Man books AFAIK.

I don't see the multiverse stuff going away.  Even DC did that with the New 52 and then hey!  Earth 2!  Followed by HEY!  EARTH 3!  And then there's all that Multiversity stuff that Morrison is doing. 

I see a future Marvel storyline happening where OH SHIT!  ANOTHER EARTH LOLWUT happens within a few years of Secret Wars ending.  You just know it.  Plus not all the multiverses are going away anyway...The Marvel Cinematic Universe counts lolol.

i dont think a new earth will take that long. marvel will be stupid to do a complete multiverse shut out. especially seeing as how it not like they had to maintain all those timelines.

that being said, i am interested to see what they plan on doing with all the other really fucked up lands.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on January 30, 2015, 06:06:47 PM
I'm almost done reading Avengers Forever and it's been a huge slog and one of the worst Marvel reads I've forced myself through.


So basically they make a "capping off arc" to the 1960s-1999 Avengers by bringing in Immortus and going through and retcon explaining away EVERY EVENT that's ever happened to the Avengers in some mumbo jumbo time-travel, dimension splitting bad sci-fi way to connect everything and give it closure to the new post-1999 era of Marvel comics where they'll win the Destiny War, break free form the Time Keepers control and have free reign to explore the galaxy (thus setting up the start of Cosmic Marvel, which is the main reasoning I'm reading it).  But yeah retcon everything is ridiculous with SPACE PHANTOMS being the old nanomachines.


Also I look forward to one day reading an Avengers comic I actually enjoy.  So far they've all been pretty bad compared to individual hero comics.  It's like Avengers are the big dumb summer event movies with a bunch of superheroes smashing stuff and hardly any character development and the plots are ridiculously convoluted.  Probably explains why I didn't like the first Avengers movie much either! 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on January 30, 2015, 06:54:44 PM
Some major shit happened in Uncanny X-Men.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The current storyline is about a new mutant being discovered named Matthew Maloy (http://marvel.wikia.com/Matthew_Malloy_%28Earth-616%29).  Matthew is an omega-level telepath/telekinetic with insane destructive power.  But it turns out that he is not "new" at all-- Xavier was aware of him in his youth and used his own power to basically "hide" Matthew and suppress his power.  This finally backfired and Matthew started destroying shit.  SHIELD wants to take him out but Cyclops and Magik get to him first.  Other stuff happens but the big thing here is that SHIELD tries to kill him with missiles and Matthew retaliates...which in the end kills Cyclops and Magik.  They're nothing but bones.  He then makes his way to the X-Men and ends up killing Emma Frost too.  To stop Matthew, younger new mutant Eva Bell goes back in time and brings back...Xavier.
[close]

I can see this storyline going in three ways.  It's either just self-contained and everyone comes back after it's over.  Or this ties into Secret Wars. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or this not only ties into Secret Wars, but the younger Xavier sticks around and ends up becoming the younger also-from-the-last X-Men's teacher...before this is all fixed with Secret Wars.
[close]


spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have no idea why the hell Eva is bringing Professor X back to the future when she could have just jumped back to tell him what to do. My money is on Professor X mind-controlling Matthew into reviving Emma, Cyclops and Magik, but then somehow he gets stuck in the present like the All New X-Men.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on January 30, 2015, 07:19:22 PM
Some major shit happened in Uncanny X-Men.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The current storyline is about a new mutant being discovered named Matthew Maloy (http://marvel.wikia.com/Matthew_Malloy_%28Earth-616%29).  Matthew is an omega-level telepath/telekinetic with insane destructive power.  But it turns out that he is not "new" at all-- Xavier was aware of him in his youth and used his own power to basically "hide" Matthew and suppress his power.  This finally backfired and Matthew started destroying shit.  SHIELD wants to take him out but Cyclops and Magik get to him first.  Other stuff happens but the big thing here is that SHIELD tries to kill him with missiles and Matthew retaliates...which in the end kills Cyclops and Magik.  They're nothing but bones.  He then makes his way to the X-Men and ends up killing Emma Frost too.  To stop Matthew, younger new mutant Eva Bell goes back in time and brings back...Xavier.
[close]

I can see this storyline going in three ways.  It's either just self-contained and everyone comes back after it's over.  Or this ties into Secret Wars. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Or this not only ties into Secret Wars, but the younger Xavier sticks around and ends up becoming the younger also-from-the-last X-Men's teacher...before this is all fixed with Secret Wars.
[close]


spoiler (click to show/hide)
I have no idea why the hell Eva is bringing Professor X back to the future when she could have just jumped back to tell him what to do. My money is on Professor X mind-controlling Matthew into reviving Emma, Cyclops and Magik, but then somehow he gets stuck in the present like the All New X-Men.
[close]

 

mutants fucking up the timeline again is a like the sun setting in the west. they should learn that it always goes bad, but nope.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 30, 2015, 11:10:00 PM
Kate Bishop is awesome. Hawkeye Vol. 3 was great fun.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: toku on February 02, 2015, 03:40:49 AM
I'm reading Black Science and I feel like it's way more dense than it needs to be and I can't really tell the characters apart. Art's good but idk if it's the right fit for what Remender is going for here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 02, 2015, 08:12:24 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=983732

Batman #38 spoiler regarding a Joker retcon.

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Quote
What do Vandal Savage, Ra's Al Ghul and the Joker have in common? A lot more than past DC Comics history would have you believe. According to Batman #38, Vandal Savage acquired his immortality from the radiation of a mysterious meteorite that fell to Earth in the prehistoric era. Ra's Al Ghul apparently bathes in a "corrupted version" of the chemical/radiation. And the Joker, as told in Snyder's Batman #38 also encountered the meteorite before Gotham was ever born. That's right, the Joker is immortal. It's a clever retcon to explain how the Joker bounces back time after time from all the punishment Batman dishes out. As explained in Batman #38, the chemical only activates in the Joker at moments of extreme physical injury.
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 :goty2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on February 02, 2015, 10:52:41 AM
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=983732

Batman #38 spoiler regarding a Joker retcon.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Quote
What do Vandal Savage, Ra's Al Ghul and the Joker have in common? A lot more than past DC Comics history would have you believe. According to Batman #38, Vandal Savage acquired his immortality from the radiation of a mysterious meteorite that fell to Earth in the prehistoric era. Ra's Al Ghul apparently bathes in a "corrupted version" of the chemical/radiation. And the Joker, as told in Snyder's Batman #38 also encountered the meteorite before Gotham was ever born. That's right, the Joker is immortal. It's a clever retcon to explain how the Joker bounces back time after time from all the punishment Batman dishes out. As explained in Batman #38, the chemical only activates in the Joker at moments of extreme physical injury.
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 :goty2
(http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sleepsmilie.gif)

Haven't read Snyder's run since Zero Year started to be honest
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on February 04, 2015, 04:14:48 PM
I guess Superman has a new super power. Because if anyone was lacking in super powers, it was Superman.  :lol
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(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--grDJh72u--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/iz1qi7qqbeibjgp4d7iq.png)
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--U8WB9mId--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/bujam9yj8ejw84vdzmhh.png)
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--hip3pgj_--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/kuoslb1hvvcxaadx5mcu.png)
(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--NvObMt_9--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/vihgot88vqkbsyt1bcq2.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 04, 2015, 04:49:01 PM
some people are gonna be happy with avengers 41.

well. a lot of people are
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on February 10, 2015, 06:01:59 PM
So I read a ton of Ultimate Reed stuff in excitement for Secret Wars, since I'd avoided 1610 entirely.

What a fucking terrible, awful, irredeemable mound of shit the Ultimate universe is. Holy fuck it's bad. Started at Ultimatum and finished Cataclysm last night. The only enjoyable takeaway is that I'll never have to do it again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 10, 2015, 06:04:52 PM
So I read a ton of Ultimate Reed stuff in excitement for Secret Wars, since I'd avoided 1610 entirely.

What a fucking terrible, awful, irredeemable mound of shit the Ultimate universe is. Holy fuck it's bad. Started at Ultimatum and finished Cataclysm last night. The only enjoyable takeaway is that I'll never have to do it again.

seriously. there were issues at the start of the ultimate universe, but destroying the f4 in such a shitshow fashion was horrible.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on February 10, 2015, 06:41:46 PM
Lmao @ Ultimatum to Cataclysm. That's like watching X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins back to back to get to know the X-Men film franchise. I'm so sorry for u.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 10, 2015, 06:53:10 PM
Lmao @ Ultimatum to Cataclysm. That's like watching X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins back to back to get to know the X-Men film franchise. I'm so sorry for u.

he missed out on the attempted murder ant man, gay hating nightcrawler so hes winning so far
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Purple Filth on February 10, 2015, 06:59:08 PM
So I read a ton of Ultimate Reed stuff in excitement for Secret Wars, since I'd avoided 1610 entirely.

What a fucking terrible, awful, irredeemable mound of shit the Ultimate universe is. Holy fuck it's bad. Started at Ultimatum and finished Cataclysm last night. The only enjoyable takeaway is that I'll never have to do it again.

I think someone said it before (maybe of ComicGAF?) that it was basically taking the most asshole  traits out of everyone from the normal universe and pushing it to 11 for their Ultimate Counterparts.

And everyone knows who Spiderman is since he's a fucking idiot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on February 10, 2015, 11:04:04 PM
Lmao @ Ultimatum to Cataclysm. That's like watching X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins back to back to get to know the X-Men film franchise. I'm so sorry for u.

he missed out on the attempted murder ant man, gay hating nightcrawler so hes winning so far

But he missed Dazzler being the disgusting lead singer of a punk band and Jean Grey having a real personality.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on February 10, 2015, 11:26:11 PM
I really enjoyed Ultimate Spider-Man. It's probably the only "Ultimate" title I could recommend, even if I enjoyed some of the storylines in some of the other Ultimate lines. Ultimates 3 is probably the worst graphic novel I've ever read though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 11, 2015, 12:56:45 AM
Lmao @ Ultimatum to Cataclysm. That's like watching X-Men 3 and X-Men Origins back to back to get to know the X-Men film franchise. I'm so sorry for u.

he missed out on the attempted murder ant man, gay hating nightcrawler so hes winning so far

But he missed Dazzler being the disgusting lead singer of a punk band and Jean Grey having a real personality.

dazzler is eh, but ill give you jean. but the good is like flecks of gold buried in shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 11, 2015, 03:20:43 AM
Giving Super Spidey a shot because Lyte said it's good and I trust him. :-*

And yeah, between the death of spidey and superior, best spider-man Ive read in a long time. :obama which doesn't mean much :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 11, 2015, 10:40:33 AM
The only thing that I'd say is really disappointing about Superior is the way it ends.  Can't get into detail without spoilers though.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Doc Ock just plain gives up and restores Peter's mind to his body, leaving Peter to clean up his mess.  Just felt anti-climatic. 
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 11, 2015, 11:30:30 AM
I think Superior is a great way at looking at what makes Spider-Man tick. It's fun, really entertaining, dramatic, and a really good examination in how and why Spider-Man and Peter are the way they are. It's pretty obvious just being in Parker's body doesn't make Otto Parker, but it's still hilarious and fun seeing him get into trouble and fucking up Peter's life and what he's worked so hard to achieve. If only because it truly settles the fact that through all the turmoil and drama of his life, Parker puts his all into his life and trying to be the best person he can be even if it doesn't always go perfect.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 11, 2015, 08:40:49 PM
The only thing I'm not liking about superior is Ramos art. I think he flat out sucks. The art was good for a few issues and I think Ramos took a backseat and now it's shit again. God, I fucking hate this guys art with a burning passion. Feel like I'm reading fucking Megatokyo. How the fuck he has a job at Marvel I'm not sure but I could do a better job than him by a long shot and the fact that I have to read a solid Spidey story interrupted with his shit art grinds my gears. I can only imagine the writer, who is a good one, having to suffer seeing his writing not getting the artistic merit it deserves.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 11, 2015, 08:44:41 PM
Fucking jarhdispaldnfneksk

This art is ATROCIOUS. Look at wolverine's arm. Look at the size of Widow's head compared to her body. Why does she have the body of a Barbie? Why is her waist so thin? Why does he give Spider-man stupid ninja feet. GOD. awful.

(http://i.imgur.com/5hT5YTg.jpg)

Reminds me when I tried to get into Spider Island storyline and his art was a huge obstacle

Fucking LOL

(http://i.imgur.com/gzYyMmI.jpg)

How does marvel have this guy penciling one of their flagship books?!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 11, 2015, 10:11:43 PM
i assume they keep ramos and land on because they can get books out ontime. i remember during civil war when ramos gave wolverine a giraffes neck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 11, 2015, 11:04:31 PM
Spider-Verse is over, sort of- there's still an epilogue issue in ASM #15 coming out in two weeks.

I actually read another epilogue comic first, in Spider-Woman #4:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Inheritors are defeated, but what about the world they took over and were running, which was populated by people from various multiverses?  They all go crazy and start rioting.  But the focus isn't on that.  Instead we see that this world's Jessica Drew has taken up residence on Captain Namor's pirate ship and is enjoying herself.  Spider-Woman, Silk, and Spider-Gwen beat up some pirates and convince this Jessica Drew to become the leader of this world.  Uh, OK. 
[close]

And that's it for the Spider-Verse part.  Then Spider-Woman goes back to 616 and quits the Avengers, mentioning she wants a new costume.  In other words, this is a garbage-tier forgettable issue basically telling you that Spider-Woman is REALLY starting with #5.  This character absolutely did not fit into the Spider-Verse story at all, IMO. 

Spider-Verse part six in ASM #14:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Another ho-hum ending to a Dan Slott Spider-Man event.  The Inheritors are easily dispatched (WTF?  WHY?!   :lol).  We never do find out why Silk is referred to as "The Bride."  Spider-Uncle Ben takes baby Ben into another world, saving him from being killed by Morlun.  Superior Spidey kills the weaver, effectively stopping the Inheritors from being able to teleport to other worlds.  Superior once again does what it takes to actually save the fuckin' day.  Spider-Girl has a chance to kill Solus, whose essence is inside a crystal, but stops herself from doing so.  All the Inheritors are then kicked through a portal into the radioactive world where Spider Uncle Ben came from.  They're now trapped there, inside the fallout shelter/vault Ben was using, but not dead so they can come back at some time in the future.  Kaine appears to be dead but who knows.
[close]

And that's it.  I hope the epilogue issue does a better job of really ending things, because after all this build-up, everything just totally fizzled out; that ending had zero impact.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 11, 2015, 11:10:13 PM
Spider-Verse is over, sort of- there's still an epilogue issue in ASM #15 coming out in two weeks.

I actually read another epilogue comic first, in Spider-Woman #4:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Inheritors are defeated, but what about the world they took over and were running, which was populated by people from various multiverses?  They all go crazy and start rioting.  But the focus isn't on that.  Instead we see that this world's Jessica Drew has taken up residence on Captain Namor's pirate ship and is enjoying herself.  Spider-Woman, Silk, and Spider-Gwen beat up some pirates and convince this Jessica Drew to become the leader of this world.  Uh, OK. 
[close]

And that's it for the Spider-Verse part.  Then Spider-Woman goes back to 616 and quits the Avengers, mentioning she wants a new costume.  In other words, this is a garbage-tier forgettable issue basically telling you that Spider-Woman is REALLY starting with #5.  This character absolutely did not fit into the Spider-Verse story at all, IMO. 

Spider-Verse part six in ASM #14:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Another ho-hum ending to a Dan Slott Spider-Man event.  The Inheritors are easily dispatched (WTF?  WHY?!   :lol).  We never do find out why Silk is referred to as "The Bride."  Spider-Uncle Ben takes baby Ben into another world, saving him from being killed by Morlun.  Superior Spidey kills the weaver, effectively stopping the Inheritors from being able to teleport to other worlds.  Superior once again does what it takes to actually save the fuckin' day.  Spider-Girl has a chance to kill Solus, whose essence is inside a crystal, but stops herself from doing so.  All the Inheritors are then kicked through a portal into the radioactive world where Spider Uncle Ben came from.  They're now trapped there, inside the fallout shelter/vault Ben was using, but not dead so they can come back at some time in the future.  Kaine appears to be dead but who knows.
[close]

And that's it.  I hope the epilogue issue does a better job of really ending things, because after all this build-up, everything just totally fizzled out; that ending had zero impact.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
they really killed the impact of what happened to kaine. its like noone really gave a damn
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on February 11, 2015, 11:23:41 PM
i actually really like ramos  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on February 12, 2015, 12:12:24 AM
Southern Bastards (http://i2.minus.com/i6P2EGLjoNGyQ.png)

 :bow Indie Jason Aaron :bow2

Best thing he's written since Scalped
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2015, 01:52:44 AM
Superior spider-man, while starting off great, wanders into a Who's Who of Spidey's rogue gallery around its teens. This series could easily be cut in half. Stuff like with Spider Slayer and Kingpin aren't necessary given the story has established how utterly ruthless Otto is as Spidey.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 12, 2015, 07:57:43 AM
Agreed, Himu, it could have been shorter.

Spider-Verse is over, sort of- there's still an epilogue issue in ASM #15 coming out in two weeks.

I actually read another epilogue comic first, in Spider-Woman #4:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Inheritors are defeated, but what about the world they took over and were running, which was populated by people from various multiverses?  They all go crazy and start rioting.  But the focus isn't on that.  Instead we see that this world's Jessica Drew has taken up residence on Captain Namor's pirate ship and is enjoying herself.  Spider-Woman, Silk, and Spider-Gwen beat up some pirates and convince this Jessica Drew to become the leader of this world.  Uh, OK. 
[close]

And that's it for the Spider-Verse part.  Then Spider-Woman goes back to 616 and quits the Avengers, mentioning she wants a new costume.  In other words, this is a garbage-tier forgettable issue basically telling you that Spider-Woman is REALLY starting with #5.  This character absolutely did not fit into the Spider-Verse story at all, IMO. 

Spider-Verse part six in ASM #14:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Another ho-hum ending to a Dan Slott Spider-Man event.  The Inheritors are easily dispatched (WTF?  WHY?!   :lol).  We never do find out why Silk is referred to as "The Bride."  Spider-Uncle Ben takes baby Ben into another world, saving him from being killed by Morlun.  Superior Spidey kills the weaver, effectively stopping the Inheritors from being able to teleport to other worlds.  Superior once again does what it takes to actually save the fuckin' day.  Spider-Girl has a chance to kill Solus, whose essence is inside a crystal, but stops herself from doing so.  All the Inheritors are then kicked through a portal into the radioactive world where Spider Uncle Ben came from.  They're now trapped there, inside the fallout shelter/vault Ben was using, but not dead so they can come back at some time in the future.  Kaine appears to be dead but who knows.
[close]

And that's it.  I hope the epilogue issue does a better job of really ending things, because after all this build-up, everything just totally fizzled out; that ending had zero impact.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
they really killed the impact of what happened to kaine. its like noone really gave a damn
[close]

Pretty much.  I had to go back and check to make sure I didn't miss an issue, because I didn't even remember that happening!   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2015, 04:42:58 PM
Finished Superior.

That...was awful.



Yeahhhh, I think I'm done with spider-man. Peter Parker is no longer an everyman. He's not relatable at all and Marvel keeps shoving shit down his fans throats. I think I'm done, at least until Slott leaves as head writer. Wow. What an awful series that had potential.

Seems to me, with Marvel, it's best to go with stand alone books (ms marvel, Hawkeye, she hulk, squirrel girl, Star Wars) than the big books and their crappy crossover events.

Kamala Khan IS the new everyman hero, anyways.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 12, 2015, 07:50:24 PM
Finished Superior.

That...was awful.



Yeahhhh, I think I'm done with spider-man. Peter Parker is no longer an everyman. He's not relatable at all and Marvel keeps shoving shit down his fans throats. I think I'm done, at least until Slott leaves as head writer. Wow. What an awful series that had potential.

Seems to me, with Marvel, it's best to go with stand alone books (ms marvel, Hawkeye, she hulk, squirrel girl, Star Wars) than the big books and their crappy crossover events.

Kamala Khan IS the new everyman hero, anyways.


..not really. like at all. but shes an interesting story. hickmans avengers has been pretty dope, even if douchebaggery is rampant.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2015, 07:57:54 PM
disagree heavily. i get a similar vibe from kamala. i can relate to her. she's a nerd, her religious background, she tries to do the right thing and it often blows up in her face Parker style, her comedic sense and timing, it all feels like how a contemporary take on spider-man would be like. kamala has struggles and fitting it all into her superhero double life is tough. it's like a mix of spider-man and buffy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 12, 2015, 08:27:30 PM
disagree heavily. i get a similar vibe from kamala. i can relate to her. she's a nerd, her religious background, she tries to do the right thing and it often blows up in her face Parker style, her comedic sense and timing, it all feels like how a contemporary take on spider-man would be like. kamala has struggles and fitting it all into her superhero double life is tough. it's like a mix of spider-man and buffy.

thats the thing. as we become more culturally diverse, the less and less everymen and women exist. i could say that robbie reyes would be a perfect everyman type. but as real as his scenario is for many, there are just as many that cant relate to his struggles. they are both still great reads(although the art has fallen on hard times in angr) just not everyman characters
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2015, 08:43:01 PM
that's a bad argument, though, because you could say NO ONE is an everyman character because no character appeals to EVERYONE.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 12, 2015, 08:54:04 PM
that's a bad argument, though, because you could say NO ONE is an everyman character because no character appeals to EVERYONE.

true, but even by everyman standards she doesnt really fit. shes another kid with powers. just like the countless kids with powers. shes no different than the the x-kids, hell shes very similar to faiza hussein, except faiza seems to be a more conservative character. shes a titular character
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 12, 2015, 09:05:25 PM
either way, i'm not the only one who sees the similarities between kamala khan and peter parker.

:yeshrug

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/21/between-the-panels-why-ms-marvel-is-the-new-spider-man

even marvel agrees

(http://i.imgur.com/jUH59g4.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 12, 2015, 09:09:24 PM
either way, i'm not the only one who sees the similarities between kamala khan and peter parker.

:yeshrug

http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/11/21/between-the-panels-why-ms-marvel-is-the-new-spider-man

even marvel agrees

(http://i.imgur.com/jUH59g4.jpg?1)

theyve also drawn similarities between pete and new nova. that doesnt really mean much
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 13, 2015, 02:01:04 PM
I would say Sam Humphries (Nova) is way more of an "everyman" character in that sense...sort of.  But more like "everyboy" I guess. 

Finished Superior.

That...was awful.



Yeahhhh, I think I'm done with spider-man. Peter Parker is no longer an everyman. He's not relatable at all and Marvel keeps shoving shit down his fans throats. I think I'm done, at least until Slott leaves as head writer. Wow. What an awful series that had potential.

You just read a story about Doc Ock!   :lol

Wait and see what happens after all this Battleworld stuff.  I'm betting it's going to be a reset for Peter Parker and he'll be back with Mary Jane.  Before all the Spider-Verse stuff started, it was hinted that Peter was going to be pushed out of his company anyway. 

Speaking of which, how was Peter Parker ever looked at as an "everyman" character anyway?  The dude is a freaking superhero who displayed a clear way above-average knowledge of science and technology as a high school student and was married to a super model!   :P  Mile Morales is a much better example than Peter is.

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Kamala Khan IS the new everyman hero, anyways.

I don't see that.  I only read the first few issues though.  Kamala Khan is one of the new Inhumans who will fade away after her book is inevitably canceled.  "Ms. Marvel" and "Captain Marvel," for that matter, are names that should be associated with the number one/two/same/whatever female(s) in the Marvel Universe.  Marvel has completely failed to do this with Carol Danvers and the direction they're going in with Kamala obviously isn't that either.

But I like that art Himu posted.  I might check out Ms. Marvel again. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on February 14, 2015, 07:48:24 PM
Squirrel Girl  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 14, 2015, 07:51:12 PM
Squirrel girl is bad? Cover looks hilarious.

And that art isn't from ms marvel but spider-man, lyte.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on February 14, 2015, 07:56:21 PM
Art's terrible and the writing is quite literally a bad joke.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 14, 2015, 08:17:17 PM
i was worried about how they would handle SG. its a shame gurihiru wasnt on the art though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 14, 2015, 11:14:57 PM
Squirrel Girl's art is atrocious.   :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2015, 09:16:39 AM
http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/02/14/female-thor-is-what-happens-when-progressive-hand-wringing-and-misandry-ruin-a-cherished-art-form/
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You may have heard that Marvel has turned Thor into a woman. What you probably don’t know, because you likely greeted the news with bafflement and horror and then resolved never to pick up a comic book from that company ever again, is just what a disaster the initiative is turning out to be.

Thor a woman? It’s hard to believe the most macho, overtly masculine character in the comic canon could possibly be reimagined as a broad. But that’s almost certainly precisely the reason Thor was chosen: as a fuck-you to so-called nerdbros from the achingly progressive staff of today’s comic book establishment.

This has led to some questions from comic book fans. Questions such as: will Wonder Woman turn out to be a cheeseburger? Is the Incredible Hulk only incredible because he endured cruel fat-shaming as a teen but didn’t let his size define him? And shouldn’t Spider-Man be a gay latino?

...

Men don’t seem to care about gender-swapping great female characters, which rather gives away the game about the sort of agenda driving these awful decisions. Why is there a demand for female versions of male superheroes, but no demand the other way? I mean, have you ever heard of calls for a male Lara Croft? It makes very little sense, until you learn that comic books, fantasy and sci-fi were taken over years ago by ultra-progressive misandrists who basically hate their own core audiences.

Does that sound familiar? It should: the recent GamerGate controversy in video games happened because ordinary gamers, unlike comic book readers or fans of fantasy and sci-fi, stood up to the authoritarian moral panic brigade in the press and their feminist agitator icons and said: no. We don’t recognise the world you’re sketching out, and we don’t want your bizarre and outlandish politics to pollute our hobby.

Retroactive continuity and franchise reboots are being used today not to shine fresh light on the enduring themes of superhero stories, such as triumphing against the odds or the ultimate victory of good over evil, but for cack-handed, tone-deaf ideological reasons that simply aren’t resonating with most readers.

This, in a nutshell, is what GamerGate supporters are concerned about when they say social-justice warriors will ruin video games. Because, while there’s no evidence that video games make people violent or sexist, there’s plenty to suggest that imagination-based hobbies are wrecked when the hand-wringing progressives come to town.

And if you don’t believe me, take a look at the following cells from the new female Thor comic and tell me this excruciatingly cringeworthy dialogue is something any normal person would pay money to read and enjoy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on February 15, 2015, 10:58:29 AM
Misandry. Comics.

:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rufus on February 15, 2015, 01:08:31 PM
Cherished. :teehee
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 15, 2015, 03:25:59 PM
so..that person doesnt read comics. gotcha

but that titania scene is fucking horrible. i guess thats gonna be her surfers armbar when ever someone tries to discuss the character
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 16, 2015, 08:18:43 AM
Has to be someone who hasn't even bothered to read any of the shit he's going on about.  Also let me respond to him as if he were a poster here:

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Why is there a demand for female versions of male superheroes, but no demand the other way?


Marvel is trying to increase its readership and appeal to female audiences.  Hence why female Thor was unveiled on the View.  Aren't you supposed to be a "journalist?"

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I mean, have you ever heard of calls for a male Lara Croft?

You mean the character who was labeled as "British Indiana Jones with big tits?"  That one?  And it's too bad that the game Uncharted never went anywhere.   ::)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on February 16, 2015, 12:33:14 PM
I've been reading through the Fantagraphics EC Artist series of books.  The Joe Orlando, Graham Ingels, Wally Wood, and Jack Kamen stories. I was a long-time EC fan, and I have the old slipcased Tales from the Crypt hardcover set, so I already knew this stuff really shines in black-and-white. Story-wise, though...maybe it's because I'm getting older, but man could that shit get preachy, particularly in the Wood collection :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: FoneBone on February 16, 2015, 03:35:49 PM
Squirrel girl is bad? Cover looks hilarious.

And that art isn't from ms marvel but spider-man, lyte.
Nah, Squirrel Girl's great. I can see why the art is divisive, but I like it a lot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2015, 03:54:36 PM
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Why is there a demand for female versions of male superheroes, but no demand the other way?


Marvel is trying to increase its readership and appeal to female audiences.  Hence why female Thor was unveiled on the View.  Aren't you supposed to be a "journalist?"

Oh yeah, well maybe they should make a male version of Batwoman and call him Bat...man. Yeah...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 16, 2015, 04:51:28 PM
Has to be someone who hasn't even bothered to read any of the shit he's going on about.  Also let me respond to him as if he were a poster here:

Quote
Why is there a demand for female versions of male superheroes, but no demand the other way?


Marvel is trying to increase its readership and appeal to female audiences.  Hence why female Thor was unveiled on the View.  Aren't you supposed to be a "journalist?"

honestly, the last male version of a female superhero i can think of is power boy, and that was a fantastic failure
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: FoneBone on February 16, 2015, 06:20:45 PM
Has to be someone who hasn't even bothered to read any of the shit he's going on about.  Also let me respond to him as if he were a poster here:

Quote
Why is there a demand for female versions of male superheroes, but no demand the other way?


Marvel is trying to increase its readership and appeal to female audiences.  Hence why female Thor was unveiled on the View.  Aren't you supposed to be a "journalist?"

honestly, the last male version of a female superhero i can think of is power boy, and that was a fantastic failure
Wasn't Power Boy conceived as a joke character? (Admittedly not a very good one.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 16, 2015, 07:16:29 PM
Has to be someone who hasn't even bothered to read any of the shit he's going on about.  Also let me respond to him as if he were a poster here:

Quote
Why is there a demand for female versions of male superheroes, but no demand the other way?


Marvel is trying to increase its readership and appeal to female audiences.  Hence why female Thor was unveiled on the View.  Aren't you supposed to be a "journalist?"

honestly, the last male version of a female superhero i can think of is power boy, and that was a fantastic failure
Wasn't Power Boy conceived as a joke character? (Admittedly not a very good one.)

(http://i.imgur.com/7np34Ak.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 16, 2015, 08:04:32 PM
Has to be someone who hasn't even bothered to read any of the shit he's going on about.  Also let me respond to him as if he were a poster here:

Quote
Why is there a demand for female versions of male superheroes, but no demand the other way?


Marvel is trying to increase its readership and appeal to female audiences.  Hence why female Thor was unveiled on the View.  Aren't you supposed to be a "journalist?"

honestly, the last male version of a female superhero i can think of is power boy, and that was a fantastic failure
Wasn't Power Boy conceived as a joke character? (Admittedly not a very good one.)

i dont know if thats the intent, but he definetely became one. then his inclusion fucked up two of my favorites in titans east. garbage
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 18, 2015, 10:12:50 PM
Savage Dragon 202: Remember when Malcom Dragon had a three way a few issues back?  Well, he's at it again!  And then his step-sister comes in for a visit and it's a four way!

...

:dead

I was questioning if Erik Larson was changing this into a porno mag or something, but at least at the end of the issue, Malcom tells his girlfriend that there's no more kinky sex shit with other girls happening.  Oh and there's some super hero stuff too, but this sex stuff is the clear focus of the issue.  Again.  Can we get back to some real plot?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on February 19, 2015, 12:36:42 AM
Ms. Marvel this week was essentially a filler issue, but I still enjoyed it.

That's how you know you've got a quality book
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2015, 06:40:22 AM
Savage Dragon 202: Remember when Malcom Dragon had a three way a few issues back?  Well, he's at it again!  And then his step-sister comes in for a visit and it's a four way!

...

:dead

I was questioning if Erik Larson was changing this into a porno mag or something, but at least at the end of the issue, Malcom tells his girlfriend that there's no more kinky sex shit with other girls happening.  Oh and there's some super hero stuff too, but this sex stuff is the clear focus of the issue.  Again.  Can we get back to some real plot?

LOL @ looking for anything worthwhile in an Erik Larson book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 19, 2015, 08:00:29 AM
Silk #1: Take Spider-Man and make him into an Asian female.  I mean, literally-- forget how the character was portrayed in ASM; this version is dealing with civilian issues, dealing with JJJ at her job (even getting footage of herself as Silk for him), and making wisecracks while fighting the villain.  But it was fun to see this since ASM hasn't been like that in a while.

LOL @ looking for anything worthwhile in an Erik Larson book.

I like Savage Dragon.   :gloomy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on February 22, 2015, 04:03:26 AM
There's an app you use instead. Just search Marvel or Marvel Unlimited in the store and it should come up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 24, 2015, 03:50:32 AM
I picked up the first Hellboy in Hell collection yesterday. Haven't read a Hellboy trade in ages and boy do I miss them. I'm behind like 6 trades on the main series... and I guess this is story takes places after. So now I guess I have to get around to getting all the stuff I've missed.

But anyway, it's pretty great. Art continues to be stunning, writing is sharp, love the atmosphere and setting. It's all so damn good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 24, 2015, 06:10:24 AM
Comixology has a BOGO sale on right now, and they gave me a $5 coupon a month ago, so I picked up the first two Carol Danvers Captain Marvel trades for $6 total. :hyper

Still working through the ass-ton of Hellblazer I bought last fall.  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on February 25, 2015, 10:49:26 PM
Another round of Spider books this week brings Spider-Verse to an end.  Sort of.

Amazing Spider-Man is an epilogue issue that gives the story a more satisfying ending.  The big points:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spider-Girl May Parker goes home to her own world, to see her little brother, and finds that Mary Jane and some other guy I don't know have survived, so only that world's Peter Parker bit the dust from the Inheritor attack.  The adult "Spider-Ben" also stays on this world to act as her grandfather.

Superior Spider-Man refuses to go back to his time because he now knows that Peter Parker "wins" in the end and gets his body back.  Most of the Spiders have gone home already, but the remaining ones kick his ass and shove him back through a portal.  When he goes through, he forgets what just happened and is taken back to the events of Super Spider-Man #19.  Interesting note here- When in 2099, Superior made a wrist-computer similar to Spider-Man 2099's.  He tells it to activate something and then sleep for 100 days before he is shoved through the portal.  Hmm...

The last Inheritor, who switched sides to help the Spiders, stays on his world to become the new web-weaver guy.  And surprise, surprise- the dead weaver who Superior killed is actually an older version of him.

The UK Captain Britain/Spider-Man no longer has a world to go back to.  This is related to the incursions in the Avengers books.  He stays on the Inheritors' world along with Anya (Spider-Girl?  Arachne?) from 616.  Their story will continue in the Secret Wars books later on.

Kaine appears to not be dead-- a human end breaks out of the monstrous (literal) spider-man body that he morphed into.

The former Spider-Woman II, Jessica Carpenter, who became the new Madame Web, hasn't been seen in a long time because she fell into a coma.  After Spider-Verse, she wakes up and finds her Madame Web precog powers are gone.  Most of the "great web" (I.E. portals to other worlds) was destroyed by Superior before he got his ass kicked and that seems to be the cause of this.
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Fallout from this also happens in Spider-Man 2099.  He goes back to his world, only to find that:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
2099 is seemingly gone.  Instead, Miguel finds himself in a post-apocalyptic world and gets his ass kicked by THE MAESTRO (future evil Hulk)!  :o
[close]

Spider-Gwen #1 also came out this week.  Haven't read that yet.  Am guessing it has nothing to do with Spider-Verse much like Silk #1 last week.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on February 26, 2015, 12:04:53 AM
And in other spider-news, Toho's sentai Spider-Robot just appeared in US comics:
http://io9.com/spider-mans-giant-robot-just-became-official-marvel-com-1678509168
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: fistfulofmetal on February 26, 2015, 12:10:28 AM
the costume for Spider-Gwen is fucking terrific. It's so good it makes me want to actually read it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 26, 2015, 12:17:00 AM
And in other spider-news, Toho's sentai Spider-Robot just appeared in US comics:
http://io9.com/spider-mans-giant-robot-just-became-official-marvel-com-1678509168

leopardons come and gone

im laughing at people on my facebook talking about how they brought gwen stacy back from the dead to make her a hero. if they only knew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on February 26, 2015, 12:21:36 AM
New Avengers  :whoo

Hickman really planned all this out. I have to reread all of this once it ends.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2015, 05:11:06 AM
I'm halfway through reading the 2002 "reboot" of Captain Marvel (Genis) and I've never seen a series go from "great!" to "total trash" like this before...and it's the same writer!  (Peter David).


I really, really enjoyed the 1999-2002 Captain Marvel run.  It was pretty damn funny in a Whedon-esque Astonishing X-men way.  Genis was a super likeable dude because he was totally OP and cosmically aware but also kind of a military jock moron with no real world experience since he was a test tube baby, which made him hilarious.  Rick was an awful character but pairing them together made a fun dynamic and even the supporting cast like Marlo and ghost girl and Moondragon were good stuff.

For example:
(http://i58.tinypic.com/15wmhw2.jpg)


But then in 2002 they decided to start fresh and basically turn likeable Genis-Vell Captain Marvel into a fucking psychopath super villian by making an entire series based on the idea that a Celestial body makes him go insane and so Genis goes around murdering people and acting psycho and the series is then about Rick as a prisoner trying to stop Genis from destroying the world...and it sucks.  I'm basically just quick-reading skimming the issues to get it over with because this is no fun at all.  The writing is terrible, it's not funny, it's not likeable and it's just a shame seeing a character you grew to love turn into an EVIL BADGUY.  The 1999-2002 Captain Marvel was great!  Genis-Vell is a cool bro for the Marvel universe, getting rid of him like they did in this 2002 series is just so stupid.  Pretty annoyed about it!   :maf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on February 27, 2015, 11:52:05 AM
the vells are cursed. they always start off well, but faceplant at the end into fuckery. mar with cancer. genis and phyla throw away who they were and become agressive assholes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on March 01, 2015, 05:21:20 AM
Alright, finished Captain Marvel run 2.  Was kind of suck but the final issue #25 was awesome in its 4th wall breaking.  Nice way to end a series and character.
Read Black Widow and Black Widow: Breakdown from that early 1999-2002 era.  Breakdown had pretty nice art by Scott Hampton and was a fun little spy thriller. 


Started on Priest's Black Panther and 3 issues in it's great so far. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Shaka Khan on March 02, 2015, 02:05:58 AM
I've had a comic itch for a few weeks and I've been thinking of subscribing to Marvel Unlimited for a month test the waters.

Thoughts on the service/Android app?

Also, can someone recommend me a series/arc that would convince me I made the right choice?

I think I'm down to reading anything, but something Cosmic would probably excite me more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 03, 2015, 11:23:40 AM
Hey could you guys help jog my memory? There's a comic I read a number of years back that was like, a team of international spies or something to that affect -- the one thing I really only remember is this concept it introduced of like hyper dimensional shit going on right in front of us that we just don't perceive because we don't have a name for it -- it's probably something pretty damn well known and I know it was recommended to me back after I finished Sandman and was looking for good stuff to read .... Plz halp
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Eel O'Brian on March 03, 2015, 12:44:06 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisibles
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 03, 2015, 12:57:40 PM
Thank you!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 03, 2015, 01:45:05 PM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisibles

Quote
Morrison suggested a "wankathon" in the hope of bringing about a magical increase in sales by a mass of fans simultaneously masturbating at a set time.

Morrison became seriously ill while writing the book, something he attributes to working on the title and the manner in which its magical influence affected him, and has stated that his work on the comic made him into a different person from the one who started it. He has also said that much of the story was told to him by aliens when he was abducted during a trip to Katmandu.

:spin
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 03, 2015, 01:52:43 PM
Madmen make the best art, it is known
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on March 03, 2015, 02:00:28 PM
Read the first volume of Elephantmen 2260.  Liked it a lot, but the way volume 1 ends makes it seem like it'll be a long series with no satisfying conclusion until the final issue.  So I'll check it out when it's finished (if it isn't already; haven't checked).

I've had a comic itch for a few weeks and I've been thinking of subscribing to Marvel Unlimited for a month test the waters.

Thoughts on the service/Android app?

Also, can someone recommend me a series/arc that would convince me I made the right choice?

I think I'm down to reading anything, but something Cosmic would probably excite me more.

Marvel Unlimited is awesome, it's a little buggy but I'm getting thousands of dollars worth of content for $60 so I'm super happy.  No idea how it runs on android; the iOS app is great; web app sucks. 

Can't really recommend anything cosmic so far as I haven't read much cosmic and what I have is not really "convincing quality".  For non-cosmic Immortal Iron Fist (around 36 issues); Nextwave (around 10 issues); Uncanny X-Force (around 25 issues) are all awesome, self-contained and not incredibly long.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: nachobro on March 03, 2015, 02:02:23 PM
Morrison loves him some drugs. But it makes for great comics!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 03, 2015, 03:16:51 PM
I haven't read it, but the most recent "big" cosmic Marvel event was Annihilation and its sequel Annihilation Conquest, from some years back.  I guess Planet Hulk kind of counts too?

The closest thing right now to a cosmic event storyline is currently going on, kind of quietly, in Guardians Of The Galaxy and All-New X-Men, with some parts taking place in upcoming Cyclops, Captain Marvel, Nova, and Legendary Starlord comics.  This event is called "The Black Vortex" (http://marvel.com/news/comics/23619/submit_to_the_black_vortex_in_february_2015) and is about a cosmic magical mirror thing that transforms people who stare into it into "superior" beings.  Enhanced strength, intellect, feeling at "one with the universe," and all that jazz, but it has also made the good guys who used it act like bad guys, too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on March 03, 2015, 03:19:32 PM
This Black Vortex crossover is pretty shit. Trial of Jean Grey was so much better and I feel like they're just trying to recreate that magic and it's just not working.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 03, 2015, 03:22:28 PM
I feel like the Guardians Of The Galaxy book has lost direction.  And how long is it going to take for Captain Marvel to finally 'officially' join them?  It's been months and months since Marvel said that character was on the team with Venom. 

At this point I'm just waiting for Secret Wars/Battleworld to start already.  Everything feels irrelevant knowing that's coming.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 03, 2015, 03:32:49 PM
Just bought the last book of Lucifer on Amazon :rock

Big shout out to amnintenho for starting me out on it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on March 04, 2015, 12:31:18 AM
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Invisibles

Quote
Morrison suggested a "wankathon" in the hope of bringing about a magical increase in sales by a mass of fans simultaneously masturbating at a set time.

Morrison became seriously ill while writing the book, something he attributes to working on the title and the manner in which its magical influence affected him, and has stated that his work on the comic made him into a different person from the one who started it. He has also said that much of the story was told to him by aliens when he was abducted during a trip to Katmandu.

:spin
Madmen make the best art, it is known
Morrison loves him some drugs. But it makes for great comics!

Morrison is also fabulously self-promotional. I love his work but, like many other narcissistic, talented people, I would not trust him babysit my kids... or even house-sit for that matter.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 04, 2015, 03:00:03 PM
So we're all in agreement that Grayson is the best bat book, yes?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on March 04, 2015, 05:12:41 PM
silk is really good. it has cute art
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 05, 2015, 08:20:18 AM
I like Silk.  Spider-Gwen was kind of :zzz.  Like a Silk retread. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 05, 2015, 11:09:37 PM
Spider-Woman was pretty good. No longer held back by the shackles of line-wide events.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Mr. Nobody on March 05, 2015, 11:18:04 PM
I'm halfway through reading the 2002 "reboot" of Captain Marvel (Genis) and I've never seen a series go from "great!" to "total trash" like this before...and it's the same writer!  (Peter David).

Avengers Academy. Gage completely lost it during the second half.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on March 11, 2015, 02:57:31 PM
why is most everything associated with amazing spider man so fucking terrible? his cast, his villains, hell, even him. reading amazing just pisses me off now. meanwhile i can read something like spider man and the x-men, or any other series hes doing a guest spot on, and get a writer who tries not to make reading a spider man comic a terrible experience.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on March 11, 2015, 03:07:58 PM
Finished Lucifer. Great
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 11, 2015, 03:34:53 PM
Finally got around to reading Spider-Woman #1, er #5.  Wasn't bad, but like I figured, the character's personality was changed and it doesn't seem like the same character Marvel has portrayed for the past decade or so. 

For all the talk about Spider-Woman's previous costume being too...ass-tastic (they even make a joke about it in the comic), the character is still depicted as having a skin-tight pair of pants.  It's not as detailed, but quite evident with all the drawings depicting her from the side.  :lol  I suspect when the character pops up in other comics, the ass detail levels will be back to the other costume's level.  In other words, much like what they did to Wonder Woman (pre-New 52), it really doesn't matter and is all about the artist, not the costume.

why is most everything associated with amazing spider man so fucking terrible? his cast, his villains, hell, even him. reading amazing just pisses me off now. meanwhile i can read something like spider man and the x-men, or any other series hes doing a guest spot on, and get a writer who tries not to make reading a spider man comic a terrible experience.

Gonna guess Dan Slott.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on March 11, 2015, 03:43:19 PM
has to be. i picked up 4 spider books this week, and it was easily the worst. when miles is a more entertaining read(which i shouldnt use against him anymore, as this series closes out its gotten pretty good) you need to take a look at the quality of your shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on March 11, 2015, 03:57:12 PM
do u guys think miles morales will get a personality in the final issue of ultimate spider-man?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on March 11, 2015, 04:01:56 PM
do u guys think miles morales will get a personality in the final issue of ultimate spider-man?

i dont know about that, but hes finally a part of an interesting story
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on March 11, 2015, 08:26:42 PM
This was nice week for comics from what I read thus far but the real stand out this week was Ninjak. Really entertaining stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on March 12, 2015, 01:39:03 AM
Hickman was sent from God to write comics specifically tailored to me

New Avengers #30
spoiler (click to show/hide)
it was Doom :stahp
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 12, 2015, 02:22:34 PM
Superman and Wonder Woman are getting new costumes in addition to "mecha rabbit Batman."

(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/300/0/1/AC-Cv411-c4e2a.jpg)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/300/0/1/WW-Cv41-c43ae.jpg)
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/300/0/1/BMSM-Cv21-R1-gallery-primary-768e0.jpg)

Not impressed with any of these.  The Superman one is OK and is basically just the Action Comics New 52 look, sans-cape, but he looks too young.  Wonder Woman with blade-arm things is just silly.  Ditch those and ditch the stars and it looks a little better.  And Batman...uh...I hope that's not really Batman and is someone else.   :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 12, 2015, 02:44:02 PM
DC stahp
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 12, 2015, 03:42:21 PM
This Black Vortex crossover is pretty shit. Trial of Jean Grey was so much better and I feel like they're just trying to recreate that magic and it's just not working.
Bendis' X-men is shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2015, 10:34:17 PM
Wonder Woman's got pants again. :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 13, 2015, 08:21:15 AM
Wonder Woman's got pants again. :rejoice

I seriously think that people only like that costume because of the pants.   :lol 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Fanboys are going to complain and she's gonna lose 'em again.
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Want to give the character armor?  Stick with this:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://nerdsunchained.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/WW-38.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 13, 2015, 08:34:18 AM
Read through the Green Lantern crossover story "Godhead" last week.  This, another in what has been an endless series of "BUY EVERY LANTERN BOOK!  CROSSOVER!!!!" stories where the Green Lanterns get their asses kicked and their reputation tarnished, is about the leader of the New Gods, High Father, wanting to use the power of the various rings to stop Darkseid.

I'm not really all that familiar with the New Gods, but I thought that they were supposed to be good guys.  They are presented entirely as villains and High Father is a dictator-like asshole who tricks White Lantern Kyle Rayner into giving him his power, which he then uses to brainwash others into becoming his soldiers, all to take over Earth and stop Darkseid when he invades.

The only Lantern character who seems to have any amount of balls in this storyline is Sinestro, who has been getting more and more badass as of late.  He's a dictator-like asshole too, but more likeable.  Plus he has 'tamed' the Parallax entity and unleashes it to kick some New God ass.  He even gives one of them a yellow ring, which she ends up using in a post-storyline book.

Anyway, this story kind of drags on, with various New Gods confronting Lanterns, laughing at their light powers, kicking their asses, and taking their rings.  Rinse, repeat.  The whole time I read this, I kept wondering why nobody called out High Father for essentially acting just like Darkseid.  This finally does happen at the very end, and from those words alone, dude is like "OH MY GOD WHAT HAVE I DONE SORRY EVERYONE" and they shake hands and call it all off, despite the fact that the New Gods have brutally slaughtered numerous Lanterns.   Black Hand is involved in this story, too, but doesn't do much more than marvel at the source wall (look it up...too much to explain) and ends up destroying a part of it, freeing the various characters trapped there.

And with that, all these books are done-- DC is cutting down the Lanterns to just Green Lantern and Sinestro.  Red Lanterns, Green Lantern Corps, and Green Lantern New Guardians are all ending/over.  Just as well, since Red Lanterns devolved from an interesting book about a small group of alien misfits into "the Guy Gardner book" and the other two were pretty boring. 

The most recent Green Lantern story has Hal Jordan turning in his ring -he figures if he pretends that all the shit that has happened to the Green Lanterns is because of him specifically, the galaxy will just hate on him instead of the whole corps- but then going into their arsenal and taking this prototype weapon, which looks like a gauntlet attached to a battery that you wear like a backpack, and has all the Green Lantern powers but is not connected to their ring network or whatever, beats up Kilowog because.....reasons...and then 'escapes.'

I should also put out that this issue starts with a group of aliens essentially telling Hal that he's respected but his corps is not, so what he did makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on March 13, 2015, 01:34:34 PM
wonder woman with pants sucks :-\ why do they keep trying it with these gimmick costumes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 13, 2015, 02:50:35 PM
wonder woman with pants sucks :-\ why do they keep trying it with these gimmick costumes

They already redesigned all these characters in 2011 anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on March 13, 2015, 03:07:35 PM
She was supposed to have pants in 2011 but I guess they caved to fanboy boners or something. I like the idea. WW should have pants IMO.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on March 21, 2015, 02:18:18 AM
Apparently there is a Ninja Turles comic, and apparently (major spoiler)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
They killed off Donatello

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/1171074078561858196.png)

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--O0poetmZ--/wb2p0avvufp0uvpcxrxj.png)
[close]

 :maf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 23, 2015, 12:13:36 PM
The Image comics version of TMNT had Dontatello killed, then resurrected as a cyborg, with the cyborg 'CPU' in control of everything.  In other words, this was Erik Larsen's version of Deathlok.  Don't remember how this ended or if it ended at all since TMNT left Image and went elsewhere.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 23, 2015, 12:42:04 PM
Was more fucked-up than I remember:

Quote
This volume is notable for having a faster pace and more intense action while inflicting major physical changes on the Turtles themselves; Leonardo losing a hand, Raphael's face being scarred, Splinter becoming a bat, and Donatello becoming a cyborg. In a startling plot twist, Raphael even took on the identity of The Shredder and assumed leadership of the Foot. With Volume 3, the Turtles were incorporated into the Image universe, which provided opportunities for a few crossovers and guest appearances by characters from the The Savage Dragon series. The series ceased publication in 1999.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Dickie Dee on March 23, 2015, 07:48:11 PM
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Leonardo losing a hand, Raphael's face being scarred, Splinter becoming a bat, and Donatello becoming a cyborg

:dead



sidenote: I remember how RAW the series was when I got the first collected TPBs back in the early 90s. I think I can still remember my almost pubescent brain going wooooooah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on March 24, 2015, 12:46:26 PM
Oh yeah, the original comics were a little dark n' gritty. I remember being the only kid who read the source material and was disappointed by how much more lighthearted the cartoon was in comparison.  Still watched it religiously though.   :lol   I lost my shit when they had an Usagi Yojimbo crossover episode.  They actually called the character "Usagi Yojimbo" (literally "Rabbit Bodyguard" instead of his name.)  Ran upstairs and was frantically telling my older brother to come down and see it.  How do I remember all this?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: fistfulofmetal on March 31, 2015, 02:55:36 AM
spending time with the gf last week, since she's a big wig at a major comic book publisher, i ended up reading a bunch of stuff.

she had early copies of the next Squirrel Girl and Return of the Living Deadpool and Spider-Gwen and just a... ton of other stuff as well.

Squirrel Girl was legit surprisingly great. Super funny.

I kind of want to subscribe to Marvel Unlimited and grab a tablet and dig into this stuff. Anyone go this route? I was thinking a Nexus 7 since it's a bit older. It would really only be for comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on March 31, 2015, 06:18:20 AM
So, who said Black Panther (Priest) was good?

Cause the first 5 or so issues where he decks Mephisto in the face were great, but man o' man is it crap from that point on.  Achebe is an awful villian, Malice jealous girl is :\, KILLMONGER arc is fucking terrible.  I've been slogging my way 30 issues in now out of about 60 through this Priest run and occasionally there's a good few issues, but it's really pretty bad stuff.  BP seems like a cool dude, but his antagonists and these arcs in general are just awful.  There was an arc recently that went super politcal with Namor and world war III standoffs and was fairly interesting, but otherwise it's been bad.  I'll stick with it through the end because I've got the time and am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, but people said Priest was the good Black Panther run?  Because if this is good then I don't want to see bad Black Panther.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 01, 2015, 11:55:37 PM
The New 52: Future's End is over with #48.  Here's the ending, from the past few issues:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Sure there's other stuff that went on, but this series was DC Comics Terminator.  Brother Eye is Skynet, Terry McGinnis is Kyle Reese.  Batman Beyond goes back in time to stop Brother Eye from taking over the world in the beginning of the series and is pursued by a Batman/Joker hybrid cyborg thing. In the end, Terry gets killed before he can time travel, again, to stop the Eye (who was activated to stop Brainiac), and Tim Drake puts on his costume and takes his place.  He time travels to a satellite orbiting earth and convinces Brother Eye not to let ships carrying Earth 2 refugees (series tie in!) come to this universe and stop itself ftom taking over the world.  Tim goes back to what he thinks should be a changed future and finds that Brother Eye took over anyway, making things worse.  He gets rescued by resistance members including The Atom and his now-aged girlfriend, the former Firestorm, and vows to stop Brother Eye again.
[close]

So I assume this will be the basis for the upcoming Batman Beyond comic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 02, 2015, 01:14:59 AM
Tim FINALLY becoming Batman (in some kind of semi-official canon)

(http://media.giphy.com/media/hy3PlZ2G5tlqU/giphy.gif)

Batman Eternal ended today as well with issue #52, and while I think it kind of fell off the rails a bit towards the end (and the Specter/Corrigan/Batwing/Arkham shit was a perpetual drag and pretty much wasted filler), Snyder knows how to do a finale.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://i.imgur.com/LtiDA5r.jpg)

:lawd
[close]

We also got this:

(http://i.imgur.com/IIft8aTl.jpg)

:bow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on April 02, 2015, 03:49:49 AM
So, who said Black Panther (Priest) was good?

Cause the first 5 or so issues where he decks Mephisto in the face were great, but man o' man is it crap from that point on.  Achebe is an awful villian, Malice jealous girl is :\, KILLMONGER arc is fucking terrible.  I've been slogging my way 30 issues in now out of about 60 through this Priest run and occasionally there's a good few issues, but it's really pretty bad stuff.  BP seems like a cool dude, but his antagonists and these arcs in general are just awful.  There was an arc recently that went super politcal with Namor and world war III standoffs and was fairly interesting, but otherwise it's been bad.  I'll stick with it through the end because I've got the time and am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, but people said Priest was the good Black Panther run?  Because if this is good then I don't want to see bad Black Panther.

youre the first person ive encountered that didnt like the priest run. no joke
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 02, 2015, 08:45:23 AM
DC Convergence Zero:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Superman is held prisoner by huge Galactus-sized Brainiac, who tells him how he's gone to multiple realities and Superman always causes problems for him and blah blah blah.  We see scenes from previous comics, like Lois crying over Superman's body after Doomsday kills him and Power Girl crying over the older Earth 2 Superman's body (pre-crisis?) after he's dead and Superman just being dead in general.  Superman is then sent to a "living planet" that exists outside of time and space.  The planet itself is Brainiac's slave and manifests itself as various versions of the humanoid Brainac from past comics.  Superman is shown that the planet has control of various domed cities from different realities and tests are run on them to see how the people react to things.  And then Superman gets upset and leaves or something and what the fuck is this.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 02, 2015, 10:08:25 AM
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Power Girl crying over the older Earth 2 Superman's body

Pretty sure this was Infinite Crisis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 02, 2015, 11:01:09 AM
We also got this:

(http://i.imgur.com/IIft8aTl.jpg)

:bow

OMG, SPOILER!! :maf

spoiler (click to show/hide)
See what I did there? ;)
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 02, 2015, 11:18:36 AM
oh i c wut u did ther






Somehow Snyder's made her into a cool character. I remember Steph getting a lot of hate pre-New 52, but by the end of Eternal she's saved Batman's ass and punched the main bad guy in the face. They also somehow made her dad Cluemaster somewhat threatening, lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 07, 2015, 04:45:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/2oWwPZV.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 07, 2015, 10:20:39 AM
Saga is really good though the last couple issues have been kinda snooze-y.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yulwei on April 07, 2015, 10:52:59 AM
I got into Ultimate Spiderman last year but dropped it around the end of the (first? he probably comes back later) Venom arc. Man, I just can't stand Bendis' pacing. It worked for Alias, and that was a fucking great comic, but god damn Ultimate Spiderman and his run on Avengers put me to sleep.  :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 08, 2015, 10:44:56 AM
Quote
Irredeemable Ant-Man (2006) #7
Published: April 04, 2007
Added to Marvel Unlimited: December 03, 2007
Rating: T
Writer: Robert Kirkman
Cover Artist: Phil Hester

Why fight super-villains when you can watch attractive ladies take their clothes off in the privacy of their own homes? Ant-Man has got it made! That is until he realizes that the subject of his perverted voyeurism is none other than Ms. Marvel!

 :lucas
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 08, 2015, 11:17:21 AM
Is this the plot of the movie? :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 08, 2015, 11:24:48 AM
Is this the plot of the movie? :lol

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 08, 2015, 11:30:23 AM
I haven't been reading much lately, but I did pick up a few issues of Spider-Gwen, and I like this cover crossover

(http://i.imgur.com/T3o9m3s.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 08, 2015, 11:39:26 AM
So that's why they're making a Ms. Marvel movie. :ohhh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 08, 2015, 11:46:53 AM
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Shaka Khan on April 08, 2015, 12:00:41 PM
How often does Marvel Unlimited update/catch up with print issues? I finished all 8 issus of Ms. Marvel and realized the series has progressed further than what the app lead me to believe (issue 14?)

As an aside, I'm looking to jump on a next series/arc that's complete on Unlimited. Any suggestions? Nextwave looks cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on April 08, 2015, 05:32:27 PM
i think this is the first time in a long time where ive picked up more dc issues than marvel ones. i kinda wish there was some sort of map for convergence. i have no idea how many batmen and gothams im dealing with except for the obvious earth 2/injustice/flashpoint ones

How often does Marvel Unlimited update/catch up with print issues? I finished all 8 issus of Ms. Marvel and realized the series has progressed further than what the app lead me to believe (issue 14?)

As an aside, I'm looking to jump on a next series/arc that's complete on Unlimited. Any suggestions? Nextwave looks cool.

read nextwave. love the characters and then get saddened as they are forgotten or used as gags in alternate universe events

but there is a light at the end of the tunnel
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: cool breeze on April 08, 2015, 05:41:13 PM
How often does Marvel Unlimited update/catch up with print issues? I finished all 8 issus of Ms. Marvel and realized the series has progressed further than what the app lead me to believe (issue 14?)

As an aside, I'm looking to jump on a next series/arc that's complete on Unlimited. Any suggestions? Nextwave looks cool.

I think it's a 6 month delay.

Nextwave is fun and a short read.  go for it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on April 08, 2015, 05:45:39 PM
last issue of miles morales today. ended on a complete dud. what a sad series with a sad hero. miles = top 3 worst spider-men ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on April 08, 2015, 06:57:03 PM
last issue of miles morales today. ended on a complete dud. what a sad series with a sad hero. miles = top 3 worst spider-men ever.

im irritated because it looks like they were actually going somewhere, for it to straight fizzle out. oh well. bring on the end of the ultimate universe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on April 08, 2015, 07:31:52 PM
So, who said Black Panther (Priest) was good?

Cause the first 5 or so issues where he decks Mephisto in the face were great, but man o' man is it crap from that point on.  Achebe is an awful villian, Malice jealous girl is :\, KILLMONGER arc is fucking terrible.  I've been slogging my way 30 issues in now out of about 60 through this Priest run and occasionally there's a good few issues, but it's really pretty bad stuff.  BP seems like a cool dude, but his antagonists and these arcs in general are just awful.  There was an arc recently that went super politcal with Namor and world war III standoffs and was fairly interesting, but otherwise it's been bad.  I'll stick with it through the end because I've got the time and am willing to give it the benefit of the doubt, but people said Priest was the good Black Panther run?  Because if this is good then I don't want to see bad Black Panther.

youre the first person ive encountered that didnt like the priest run. no joke

Well, I stand by that there's a lot of junk in the run (Achebe, Malice, Killmonger :\), but there are occasional good arcs like I mentioned with the opening issues, the war arc with Namor, I just read an arc with MAN-APE that was pretty engaging last night (around issue 33/34 now I think).  The run is written in a solid narrative structure and BP himself is great and some of the side characters in his group are good, but man does he have some of the worst D-tier villain lineup.  His best stuff is when they bring in other established Marvel characters to brush up against.  It feels like most of his main antagonists were created back in a super racist era where they're like "So there's this black guy, and he's from Africa and he dresses up as an Ape and we'll call him MAN-APE"  ::)  Or the evil white poacher man called KLAW.  It's all just kind of embarrassing stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 08, 2015, 10:31:55 PM
Convergence #1:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
This should really be "Earth 2 Convergence #1," because some of that crew are the focus and this is a direct continuation of that series, meaning that if you didn't read it, you'll have no idea what the fuck is going on.  They get transported to DC battleworld and are told they are an anomaly since they have no city accompanying them.  Totally-not-the-Beyonder Brainiac minion Telos then tells everyone that they are going to fight for their cities and the winner gets a new world and hey look it's already spoiled because we know Earth 2 is continuing.
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last issue of miles morales today. ended on a complete dud. what a sad series with a sad hero. miles = top 3 worst spider-men ever.

im irritated because it looks like they were actually going somewhere, for it to straight fizzle out. oh well. bring on the end of the ultimate universe

I can only assume that Bendis had to rush things because of Secret Wars, but at the same time...he knew it was coming.  I got to page 12 and realized this was the last issue and wondered how the story could possibly be resolved, only to find that all the action happened completely off-panel with no real explanations other than "I think I got a new power lolwut."   :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yeti on April 09, 2015, 12:21:28 PM
Quote
Irredeemable Ant-Man (2006) #7
Published: April 04, 2007
Added to Marvel Unlimited: December 03, 2007
Rating: T
Writer: Robert Kirkman
Cover Artist: Phil Hester

Why fight super-villains when you can watch attractive ladies take their clothes off in the privacy of their own homes? Ant-Man has got it made! That is until he realizes that the subject of his perverted voyeurism is none other than Ms. Marvel!

 :lucas

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9832/152gi.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/9832/152gi.jpg)  :nsfw
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 14, 2015, 10:38:30 AM
http://t.co/ypKAlt04m0

Bunny Batman is...

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Commissioner Gordon
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:larry

Let's see where Snyder takes his last arc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 14, 2015, 01:17:12 PM
http://t.co/ypKAlt04m0

Bunny Batman is...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Commissioner Gordon
[close]


:what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 17, 2015, 04:10:48 PM
Convergence Supergirl (Matrix), written by Keith Giffen, was a fun read.  I don't recall things being this way in the 90s, but the younger-bodied Lex Luthor pretty much treats her like his incompetent sidekick and she watches the two people she's supposed to fight argue over relationship issues, then runs into Ambush Bug.  Too bad this is only two issues long; it was way more entertaining than any of the other Convergence stuff.

In the main book, Earth 2 Batman (Thomas Wayne) and Earth 2 Dick Grayson (who was never Robin or Nightwing) met pre-New 52 Alfred and Batman.  Nothing really happened though.  Which kind of sums up this event in a nutshell so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: CatsCatsCats on April 17, 2015, 05:20:23 PM
I just got done reading all of Marvel Zombies. So stupid. I really enjoyed it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 20, 2015, 07:15:17 PM
In spirit of posting more, in All New X-Men #40(which comes out this Wed):

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Reveals young Bobby to be gay, which of course in stark contrast in adult Bobby who is very straight.
[close]

I know it's capeshit and I shouldn't feel be upset but I'm actually kinda butthurt. Thanks a lot Bendis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 21, 2015, 04:48:02 AM
Just finished:
Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man: Death of Peter Parker TPB - felt rushed and lazy. CAVEAT: I have only read the TPB, have NO IDEA about what has come before or after, don't really care because fuck spider-clones and a bazillion earths diluting hero meaning. Captain America shows up, tells Peter he doesn't know enough about war, Spider-Man shows up on a bridge fight where Punisher is going to assassinate Captain America, and Spidey takes the bullet. Cap abandons Spidey on the bridge, WHAT THE FUCK?

Also finished Fraction's Hawkeye: My Life As a Weapon (v.1); humorous and meaty stories with a character I previously cared NOTHING about. I'll be buying more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 21, 2015, 06:02:59 AM
Just finished:
Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man: Death of Peter Parker TPB - felt rushed and lazy. CAVEAT: I have only read the TPB, have NO IDEA about what has come before or after, don't really care because fuck spider-clones and a bazillion earths diluting hero meaning. Captain America shows up, tells Peter he doesn't know enough about war, Spider-Man shows up on a bridge fight where Punisher is going to assassinate Captain America, and Spidey takes the bullet. Cap abandons Spidey on the bridge, WHAT THE FUCK?

I think the entire lead up to that arc had no real build up/foreshadowing. If I remember correctly, it just happened, the biggest hints were the red banners on the covers telling you Peter was going to die. All the other storylines felt like regular stuff that could have lead to other story lines and oh yeah he's gotta die now lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 21, 2015, 06:08:59 AM
Even the feels with Aunt May at the end, I just felt it was so strange -- I caught the feels, sure, but it also felt forced. Manipulative.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 21, 2015, 09:46:12 AM
And hey, guess what happens in regards to the death of Peter Parker in the Mile Morales Ultimate Spider-Man comics?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Peter just shows back up again!  SURPRISE, HE'S NOT DEAD!  How?  Who knows, who cares!  He's back, helps Miles beat SURPRISE I'M NOT DEAD EITHER Green Goblin, then says Miles can be Spider-Man since he just wants to go off and fuck Mary Jane or whatever.
[close]

...BENDIS!

In spirit of posting more, in All New X-Men #40(which comes out this Wed):

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Reveals young Bobby to be gay, which of course in stark contrast in adult Bobby who is very straight.
[close]

I know it's capeshit and I shouldn't feel be upset but I'm actually kinda butthurt. Thanks a lot Bendis.

That...doesn't make any sense.   LOLBENDIS
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on April 21, 2015, 11:21:59 AM
Everyone has known iceman has always been gay. He almost came out to Jean grey back in the 90s and another time, Emma frost entered his mind and made a gay joke. He's always been a closet case. His last 2 "relationships" have coincidentally been with mutants who can transform into male bodies.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 21, 2015, 12:14:30 PM
I don't get why he just didn't make him bi, it would've made sense with his history with women but also then open up a new layer for him and the future version. But instead there's years of denial which retcons for retcons sake, then they bring up "oh it'd be hard to gay where we're from" which doesn't make sense because they can't be from the 1960's because of the sliding time scale, Not to mention there's already another gay character in cast: Benjamin. Part of the new set of characters he introduced in the series, what's the point of introducing another gay (white) male character? It's clearly diversity for diversity sake, at least make him bisexual which would make sense(which would actually add to the universe because I think of any canon bisexual male characters at Marvel), not this nonsense "full gay" shit.

SEXUALITY ISN'T BLACK AND WHITE THIS IS SO STUPID WEFB IHBWFDIBVWIDVKIDVW KSF
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 21, 2015, 12:50:36 PM
Everyone has known iceman has always been gay. He almost came out to Jean grey back in the 90s and another time, Emma frost entered his mind and made a gay joke. He's always been a closet case. His last 2 "relationships" have coincidentally been with mutants who can transform into male bodies.

Iceman was with some Asian chick who had a kid in X-Factor and he was put with Kitty Pryde up until a year or two ago. 

...Kitty Pryde can turn into a dude?   :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on April 21, 2015, 12:55:42 PM
I was talking about Mystique and Cloud. I forgot about Opal Tanaka and Kitty/Bobby was a two-way beard agreement.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 21, 2015, 12:56:22 PM
which would actually add to the universe because I think of any canon bisexual male characters at Marvel

Daken (Wolverine's evil bastard son) is bi and it has been clearly depicted in comics he's been in.  There's a list of characters here. (http://marvel.wikia.com/Category:Bisexual_Characters)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on April 21, 2015, 12:59:28 PM
Even with the sliding timescale, the All New X-Men are coming from the late 90s/early 00s. Gay acceptance back then was a lot different than now.

There's quite a long list of bisexual men in Marvel. Daken, Prodigy, Hercules, Rictor, just to name a few.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 21, 2015, 01:00:34 PM
Even with the sliding timescale, the All New X-Men are coming from the late 90s/early 00s. Gay acceptance back then was a lot different than now.

There's quite a long list of bisexual men in Marvel. Daken, Prodigy, Hercules, Rictor, just to name a few.

Richter is full-on gay and in a relationship with Shatterstar, I thought.

The sliding timescale makes no sense for the New X-Men.  They looked like the 60s characters.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on April 21, 2015, 01:06:37 PM
He had a thing with Wolfsbane back during the original X-Factor/New Mutants and then later again during the early days of Madrox's X-Factor. I think he dated Boom Boom too at one point in the 80s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2015, 01:43:38 PM
And hey, guess what happens in regards to the death of Peter Parker in the Mile Morales Ultimate Spider-Man comics?
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Peter just shows back up again!  SURPRISE, HE'S NOT DEAD!  How?  Who knows, who cares!  He's back, helps Miles beat SURPRISE I'M NOT DEAD EITHER Green Goblin, then says Miles can be Spider-Man since he just wants to go off and fuck Mary Jane or whatever.
[close]

...BENDIS!

Remember when Gwen Stacy had Green Goblin's babies? Or when Spider-Man and MJ got divorced by Satan? :bow Spider-Man :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on April 21, 2015, 07:55:12 PM
i dont think this is going to stick. this isnt the first time theyve tried making one of the original xmen gay, and that went over like a wet fart. then theres the fact that the current line xmen cant remember anything thats happened to the O5. that seems like a backdoor way to explain away anything that will happen to them for better or worse
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 21, 2015, 08:06:17 PM
backdoor way

(http://i.imgur.com/GBRcgzh.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Shaka Khan on April 21, 2015, 09:28:10 PM
Excited for the announcement of Doctor Strange, I started reading his stories starting with the very beginning... It's been awhile since I read silver age comics but... the Stan Lee's writing :lol

Was it a demographic thing? a 60's things? Stan's writing skills, or lack thereof?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 22, 2015, 10:35:33 AM
i dont think this is going to stick. this isnt the first time theyve tried making one of the original xmen gay, and that went over like a wet fart. then theres the fact that the current line xmen cant remember anything thats happened to the O5. that seems like a backdoor way to explain away anything that will happen to them for better or worse

I don't see why they're bothering with this with Secret Wars right around the corner.  All this shit's probably going to get changed up.  Maybe that's why Bendis did it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on April 22, 2015, 01:07:20 PM
i dont think this is going to stick. this isnt the first time theyve tried making one of the original xmen gay, and that went over like a wet fart. then theres the fact that the current line xmen cant remember anything thats happened to the O5. that seems like a backdoor way to explain away anything that will happen to them for better or worse

I don't see why they're bothering with this with Secret Wars right around the corner.  All this shit's probably going to get changed up.  Maybe that's why Bendis did it.

bendis flips other shit around. noone flips his shit. thats probably gonna stay. but apparently both ice men being different is a bad idea for some reason.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 22, 2015, 02:27:05 PM
but apparently both ice men being different is a bad idea for some reason.

Well, it makes no sense whatsoever, for one thing. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on April 22, 2015, 02:45:50 PM
but apparently both ice men being different is a bad idea for some reason.

Well, it makes no sense whatsoever, for one thing.

it does if their from different universes. theres a few inconsistencies that would make sense if this were true
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 22, 2015, 02:52:17 PM
but apparently both ice men being different is a bad idea for some reason.

Well, it makes no sense whatsoever, for one thing.

it does if their from different universes. theres a few inconsistencies that would make sense if this were true

But the whole point of All-New X-Men is that these are the original 616 X-Men from the past!   :lol  Easy way to end the series, going into Battleworld, if they change this, though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on April 22, 2015, 03:04:14 PM
but apparently both ice men being different is a bad idea for some reason.

Well, it makes no sense whatsoever, for one thing.

it does if their from different universes. theres a few inconsistencies that would make sense if this were true

But the whole point of All-New X-Men is that these are the original 616 X-Men from the past!   :lol  Easy way to end the series, going into Battleworld, if they change this, though.


marvel time travel is tricky. every divergent travel creates a different timeline as to not effect the main timeline
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 22, 2015, 03:12:02 PM
You don't have to tell me that...but the point still stands.  And since Age Of Ultron, the whole point has been that space/time is broken.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on April 22, 2015, 03:56:28 PM
Black Vortex finished today. Was a fun ride that went on for a bit too long and had a bit too many side characters. Didn't need to crossover with Ms. Marvel, Nova, Star Lord or Guardians Team-up. Ending was interesting:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kitty Pryde became an all powerful cosmic entity and saved the day. The only people who changed back to normal were Cyclops, Iceman, Beast and Groot. And finally at the end, Kitty and Star Lord got engaged. Storm asked Rocket Raccoon to be her date :yuck
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 23, 2015, 12:09:51 PM
Meant to post about that.  So it's Angel and Nebula who stayed transformed, right?

The epilogue issues were kind of pointless.  All-New X-Men is one of them and it makes me wonder if Iceman being gay is a result of the Black Vortex.  Seriously.    :lol  They did say that everyone who used the mirror would be permanently changed in some way.

But it continues to feel like nothing matters in the Marvel universe with Secret Wars coming.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on April 28, 2015, 02:44:02 PM
Finished all 62 issues of 1998-2003 Black Panther by Christopher Priest.  Well I definitely know who Black Panther is now.  Like I said before I'm not fond of the first half of this run, but the 2nd half is generally a good read.  My problem is more of a problem I have with Marvel comics in general, that sometimes they have to rush through these arcs in only an issue or two or three and it feels like you're reading the cliff notes version of the actual plot.  It's just scene after scene after scene with no build up and no impact.  Like when when major events happen it's like "wait, was that a major thing?  I didn't even realize it and thought it was just another 2 issue arc"; this happened at issue 49 especially when the finale had no impact and then suddenly it's about a new character.  In the end it was good, but it doesn't feel like Priest really had a start/finish overall plot across the series and that it was mainly a series used to reboot the old character into a more legit modern superhero.  There was no really conclusion, just like "ok, time for the next issue by the next author in a year or two".  Anyhow, I liked it and I'm looking forward to what Marvel does with Black Panther post Priest.  One of the best parts for sure was goofy classic costume Black Panther; he was awesome.

Also read the 15 issue run of Marvel Knights around 2001 era where Daredevil/Black Widow/Moon Knight/Some Other Dude form a team and The Punisher is hilarious.  Was a fun popcorn read.  I like how the team was like "we suck and can't really fight anything beyond street level thugs".  The street level Netflix stuff makes a lot more sense now as that group's "power level" is pretty low compared to other superheroes.

Now reading Sentry, Marvel Boy and some Doctor Doom as I continue to make my way through the 1998-2004 Marvel Knights Era Marvel before I move into Modern event era Marvel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 28, 2015, 05:19:09 PM
Has anyone read Deadly Class? The art is very cool as is some of the paneling, but man does the story and writing feel so lame. it all feels very forced gritty. "look at us, we're doing drugs and being violent"! "Hey we gotta hot edgy girl with a katana and she's Japanese!". Then it likes to intersect all this grittyness with really uninteresting teen angst. This kind of material could work if the writing was hyper stylized like the art, but it's not having enough fun yet and is trying way too hard to be intense.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on April 29, 2015, 03:16:30 AM
(http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/2014-11/3/6/enhanced/webdr10/enhanced-buzz-12911-1415012562-8.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Bebpo on April 29, 2015, 05:22:24 AM
Oh man, The Sentry mini-series from 2001 was pretty good!  Liked the story and the way it was presented creating the lore of the character through re-integrating him in pseudo-golden age 40s comics along with the other superheroes.  Was a really well done story that was straight to the point, interesting and compelling.  Would make a great Marvel movie.  Too bad it's too obscure.  Sometimes I don't get comic fans though because on the comic book herald website I'm using as a directory on what to read it listed Sentry along with some other stuff as "almost made me quit my marvel unlimited sub" bad, but uh wtf, it was legit good and better than 90% of the stuff I read on Marvel Unlimited.   ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2015, 12:32:28 PM
Batman #40
Endgame: Part 6

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Joker "retcon" everyone was up in arms over last month was just a red herring, Joker isn't some immortal being and this issue points to him being the original Red Hood more than any other in the New 52.

Joker explicitly knew that Batman was Bruce Wayne (as well about Dick Grayson, who stands-in for Batman in the first half of the comic as a diversion.)

Batman and Joker both "die" in a cave-in after beating each other senseless. Alfred has lost his right hand.

TBH after both Damian and Dick "dying" in the last two years it's hard to get worked up over Bruce's "death" since we all know it won't last. What's somewhat surprising is this is his first "real" death ever. In the 90's they knew they couldn't kill Bruce, so they crippled him and hence Knightfall. During Final Crisis they knew they couldn't kill Bruce so they sent him back in time and hence R.I.P./The Return of Bruce Wayne.

I was hoping Snyder would be able to similarly rise above killing Bruce because at this point in comics, that's the easy way out. The interesting stories come from trying different things like the previous two examples. We all know it won't last (Damian's certainly didn't, he was gone what, like two years? If that.) Killing the Joker is more interesting in theory, but it's even cheaper and easier for him to come back than Bruce.

Endgame was an interesting experiment and a good coda to Snyder and Capullo's run, bringing some things full-circle and in general finalizing some of the themes in his writing.

But yeah, Bruce will be back in two years, tops. Does anyone believe any different? And if they try the whole "Is he back? Could he be back? Oh my gosh, he's coming back!" stunt when it happens, DC can fuck right off, lol.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on April 29, 2015, 03:44:30 PM
The Joker "retcon" everyone was up in arms over last month was just a red herring

I've seen people saying that they changed the story due to the overwhelming negative response, and I would agree with that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on April 29, 2015, 04:42:35 PM
The Joker "retcon" everyone was up in arms over last month was just a red herring

I've seen people saying that they changed the story due to the overwhelming negative response, and I would agree with that.

Lol I wouldn't. It was a classic Snyder ploy and it was pretty obvious the story was being cagey about whether it was the case or not.
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Post by: studyguy on April 29, 2015, 05:43:12 PM
I've been going through this Marvel Unlimited shit trying to keep up with current comics but only realized I was 6 months behind recently since that's their timeframe for dropping new shit.

I caught up to I guess some part of AXIS.

Anyway I tried going back and reading some of the origin stories for some of the big names and a lot of it is just too corny for me to deal with before a certain year...
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Post by: Supermanisdead on April 29, 2015, 06:29:00 PM
Silk is so fucking good. Best comic out right now, imo
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Post by: chronovore on May 01, 2015, 05:55:27 PM
http://jakewyattriot.tumblr.com/post/95169146833/i-apologize-if-this-comes-off-as-disrespectful-to
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Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2015, 03:58:34 AM
Batman #40
Endgame: Part 6
It'll be sooner. After Convergence they're talking about jumping ahead a year like after Infinite Crisis.

I liked how the one overhead shot showed the blood in the shape of a heart. Found an odd art error too. The Joker's scar on his face is seemingly there from Alfred shooting him, but he has another one beforehand when he comes up in the Cave, but if you go back an issue he doesn't have it and inbetween they don't indicate where he got it from. Or how half his head got shaved. Unless he did it while swimming underwater.

Totally stupid but distracted me for a bit.

Actually I take that back, it's sworn me off of DC forever, how could editorial have missed this?!? Doesn't bode well for Batman v. Superman either.

Also, Convergence is fucking stupid so far. And The Multiversity's bookends were totally phoned in. Reminded me in a way of Seven Soldiers.
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Though the endgame reveal of there being multiple multiverses was awesome and hilarious.
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Future's End and World's End both led to nowhere. DC's really been botching the endings of their BIG EVENTS since New 52 started.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 02, 2015, 07:32:59 AM
Read Grant Morrison's Marvel Boy aka Noh-Varr.  Was kind of dumb but ok I guess on popcorn entertainment level.  I liked the character in the 2013 Young Avengers, so it was alright seeing his origin even if he's a totally different character here.
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Post by: Tasty on May 02, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
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I liked how the one overhead shot showed the blood in the shape of a heart. Found an odd art error too. The Joker's scar on his face is seemingly there from Alfred shooting him, but he has another one beforehand when he comes up in the Cave, but if you go back an issue he doesn't have it and inbetween they don't indicate where he got it from. Or how half his head got shaved. Unless he did it while swimming underwater.

Apparently he got that wound when breaking into the cave. Off-panel. Yeah, annoyed me too.

Future's End and World's End both led to nowhere. DC's really been botching the endings of their BIG EVENTS since New 52 started.

I thought Forever Evil was great.
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Post by: benjipwns on May 04, 2015, 09:33:31 AM
Caught up on Fables finally for the big finale.

Looked back at early issues to confirm this book once made sense and seemed to have direction.

And this is a series that had The Literals in it. I enjoyed them.
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Post by: bork on May 04, 2015, 10:27:48 AM
Future's End and World's End both led to nowhere.

Future's End appears to be continuing in the new Batman Beyond series that's coming soon.  World's End is continuing on in Convergence, which will be leading into a new Earth 2 series.  SPOILER EARTH 2 IS THE NEW PLANET LOLZ
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Post by: bork on May 04, 2015, 10:55:02 AM
Thoughts on the last New Avengers and Avengers issues from last week?  The big "reveal" in Avengers was kind of underwhelming to me, but I did like the beat down that followed.  Glad it's finally time for Secret Wars.
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Post by: bork on May 05, 2015, 02:26:09 PM
Which reveal was that?

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Tony knowing what was going to happen and the effort to try to stop the world from ending being "pointless," which led to old man Steve Rogers beating his ass.   :lol
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I didn't read the whole series.  Read maybe the first year or so of New Avengers and Avengers, dropped them, then came back last year and found it really interesting.  Maybe I'll go back and read it all again later on.

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I really hate what they've done with Tony. Kind of wish Superior Iron Man had never happened, or that Hickman could just ignore it.

He pretty much has.  The way that the characters acted in Avengers/New Avengers is nothing like how they act in other comics.  Especially Iron Man, post-Superior.  In Hickman's books, he got the new armor but has acted the same.

In the Superior Iron Man book, Tony is a straight-up asshole/villain type character.  I expect him to get straightened out (or replaced!) in Secret Wars.  At least he's being an asshole in Superior-- Havok is supposed to still be inverted but that's been pretty much forgotten about, even though he kidnapped Wasp and hid her somewhere.  There's pretty much no mention of it after Axis ended. 
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Post by: bork on May 05, 2015, 03:04:54 PM
Tony's new armor is Iron Man 3 junk-tier. Dude gets his arm, chest-plate and helmet ripped off by Steve in a powersuit? Makes no sense how he's ever fought a supervillain.

Have you read Superior?  His armor (the same armor!  :lol) is much more effective and has a T1000 liquid-metal thing going on at times. 

The main thing I've hated is what a self-righteous prick Steve Rogers has been for many months now.

I keep thinking all of this isn't going to matter after Secret Wars.  Marvel refuses to say it, but they're totally hitting the reset button.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 05, 2015, 03:57:47 PM
Yes but my favorite part is that everyone else thinks Rogers is being a prick as well and he may or may not yet be wrong. It's part of what I've loved about this run. Everyone really is grey in the most un-forced way possible.

I'm really excited to pick up my issues and Secret Wars this Friday.
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Post by: parallax on May 05, 2015, 05:23:18 PM
Tony's new armor is Iron Man 3 junk-tier. Dude gets his arm, chest-plate and helmet ripped off by Steve in a powersuit? Makes no sense how he's ever fought a supervillain.

Have you read Superior?  His armor (the same armor!  :lol) is much more effective and has a T1000 liquid-metal thing going on at times. 

The main thing I've hated is what a self-righteous prick Steve Rogers has been for many months now.

I keep thinking all of this isn't going to matter after Secret Wars.  Marvel refuses to say it, but they're totally hitting the reset button.

i think tony and steve will be dead. but theres no reset button.
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 05, 2015, 05:54:22 PM
Steve is'nt dying. He's going to do something that may piss off Falcon though if that Free Comic Book day Avenger's thing is anything to go by.

Tony though is a different story.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 05, 2015, 06:13:20 PM
Daredevil: Yellow - Ok, but kind of pointless little mini-series reflecting on past early events of Daredevil.

Now reading Elektra by Bendis that went along with his Daredevil run, don't really have any interest in the character, but I'll see where this goes.
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Post by: benjipwns on May 06, 2015, 03:01:46 AM
Read The Unwritten, started off so well and then just fell into the gutter and I think 80% of the plot threads were just ignored and made laughable. The ending stabbed me in the gut more because of where the series went instead of what happened in it.
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Post by: bork on May 06, 2015, 02:57:50 PM
Secret Wars #1

 :whoo :whew :badass :lawd

THEY KILLED

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Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Spider-Woman, and Black Widow!  :o  I mean, pretty much everyone else who didn't escape in a high-tech "life raft," too, but DAYUM!
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Good setup for what's coming.  The Ultimate universe people, Reed Richards aside, were total scrubs.
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Post by: parallax on May 06, 2015, 03:00:49 PM
Secret Wars #1

 :whoo :whew :badass :lawd

THEY KILLED

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Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Spider-Woman, and Black Widow!  :o  I mean, pretty much everyone else who didn't escape in a high-tech "life raft," too, but DAYUM!
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Good setup for what's coming.  The Ultimate universe people, Reed Richards aside, were total scrubs.

i thought the helicarrier drop idea would have evened things out a bit, but nope. there were only hit by that and everyone else blew right through them.

the ultimate universe was fucking wasted.

like i said on the other site, they should have saved the deadpool finale for this week
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Post by: Shaka Khan on May 06, 2015, 03:04:27 PM
I'm still going through the classic Doctor Strange comics. These things are so corny I'm starting to enjoy it, but for the sake of clarity, does anyone in the know... know when his stories/arcs became more enticing? i.e. when did Stan Lee stop writing him?
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Post by: parallax on May 06, 2015, 03:08:55 PM
i should try reading old strange comics. i never got a chance to since noone i knew was into his shit
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Post by: bork on May 06, 2015, 03:11:22 PM
like i said on the other site, they should have saved the deadpool finale for this week

Saw that and googled the end of Deadpool #250. 

Yup...why didn't they delay it?   :lol

For those wondering, Deapool #250 was hyped as the "death of Deadpool." 
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He "dies" when the incursion happens in Secret Wars #1, erasing 616 from existence.
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So basically it spoiled Secret Wars #1, in a sense, one month ago.  Not that we didn't already know what was going to happen.
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Post by: bork on May 06, 2015, 03:15:14 PM
I'm still going through the classic Doctor Strange comics. These things are so corny I'm starting to enjoy it, but for the sake of clarity, does anyone in the know... know when his stories/arcs became more enticing? i.e. when did Stan Lee stop writing him?

There is a particular issue that Marvel heralds as one of their best, but I can't remember what number it is.  Apart from that...uh...dunno.  Never was a character I really cared for.

You should see what they tried to do to make him "cool" in the 90s.  Not once...but twice.

(https://benjaminherman.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/doctor-strange-64-pg-2.jpg?w=800)

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--ZmYwo2_F--/c_fit,fl_progressive,q_80,w_636/17z0iv7p8ew6cjpg.jpg)

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Post by: Shaka Khan on May 06, 2015, 03:26:58 PM
 :beli

As Wrath said, I always enjoyed the faux lovecraftian twist. And I've always been receptive to Marvel works that veer away from usual superhero/superpowers material. Stuff like Ironfist (martial arts), any cosmic adventure, and in this case mystical dimensions. Not that Marvel have consistently written good stories for them, but I still hold them in higher regard.
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Post by: bork on May 06, 2015, 04:26:37 PM
Found the Marvel's own recommended Dr. Strange story.  They put in "The Very Best Of Marvel Comics" TPB that came out in the early 90s.  It's Doctor Strange (Vol. 1) #55, from 1982, written by Roger Stern with art by Michael Golden.  I remember being impressed with how it looked.  Like something that would have come out at the end of the 80s, not at the beginning.
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on May 07, 2015, 12:22:50 PM
Secret Wars #1

 :whoo :whew :badass :lawd

THEY KILLED

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Rocket Raccoon, Groot, Spider-Woman, and Black Widow!  :o  I mean, pretty much everyone else who didn't escape in a high-tech "life raft," too, but DAYUM!
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Good setup for what's coming.  The Ultimate universe people, Reed Richards aside, were total scrubs.

It won't last but still (http://i2.minus.com/i6P2EGLjoNGyQ.png)
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Post by: Mr. Nobody on May 07, 2015, 12:24:15 PM
Read The Unwritten, started off so well and then just fell into the gutter and I think 80% of the plot threads were just ignored and made laughable. The ending stabbed me in the gut more because of where the series went instead of what happened in it.

I dropped it around the time it crossed over with Fables because I wasn't reading that. What a shame
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Post by: bork on May 07, 2015, 01:58:11 PM
Seems like it will be pretty fun to me.  Looking forward to seeing how it plays out.  Way too early to be getting all negative about it.  Still, this is already 10000000000 times better than DC's Convergence.
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Post by: Tasty on May 07, 2015, 02:34:46 PM
Seems like it will be pretty fun to me.  Looking forward to seeing how it plays out.  Way too early to be getting all negative about it.  Still, this is already 10000000000 times better than DC's Convergence.

Convergence was a bandaid to cover their move from NY to CA. It'd be better to compare it to an actual event like a Crisis or Forever Evil, etc.
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Post by: bork on May 07, 2015, 02:48:20 PM
That doesn't matter.  Convergence is still their big event for the year.  And it's really nothing more than a continuation of Earth 2. 

I have never been big on any of DC's event storylines.  Forever Evil dragged on for way, way too long.
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Post by: Tasty on May 07, 2015, 02:56:29 PM
Might be because I got the collected version but I though Forever Evil was amazingly paced and just as long as it needed to be.
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Post by: bork on May 07, 2015, 03:01:05 PM
Might be because I got the collected version but I though Forever Evil was amazingly paced and just as long as it needed to be.

I read the entire thing as it released.  That includes the tie-ins.  It went on for fucking ever and the payoff sucked.
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Post by: Supermanisdead on May 07, 2015, 04:34:39 PM
I read Secret Wars #1. The script was godawful. Captain America saying "Are they friend or foe?" Cyclops starting a sentence with "For..." was this book actually written in the 60s? Felt so off putting.

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As for the plot, I haven't followed New Avengers/Avengers since Infinity so I have no idea what's going on. I know the general gist of it, but why the hell does Cyclops have Sentinels and a Phoenix Egg???
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 07, 2015, 05:21:43 PM
The scheduling is kind of fucked, because I don't think they have gotten around to showing how Cyclops got those Sentinals yet!  :lol 
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Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 07, 2015, 05:23:36 PM
I belive it's because Time runs out took that time jump. So current X-men among other things is set before Time Runs out.
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Post by: bork on May 07, 2015, 05:26:38 PM
My problem with that now is that I don't care about the pre-SW books coming out.  I want SW and want to see how they handle the aftermath.
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Post by: Bebpo on May 07, 2015, 06:52:10 PM
Thunderbolts (1997-2001 era) - In my on-going cruise through Marvel history post year 2000 I kept hearing about Thunderbolts and they sounded interesting being a team of BADGUYS like DC's Suicide Squad and so I wanted to learn about them.  Marvel Unlimited unfortunately (or fortunately for saving my time) only has the first few issues opening arc and the final arc of this run, so I read those and used wikipedia to fill out everything that happened in between.  Obviously not actually reading the issues, I don't have much attachment to them, although I got to see Baron Zemo for the first time and he seems cool so it should be neat seeing him in Cap 3 movie.  But I think most Thunderbolt talk comes from 2003+ years so I'm looking forward to seeing where they go.

Also, I hit my first sudden cancellation of a comic experience with the end of the Thunderbolts run featuring a retired out of prison Spiderman Villian, The Battler/Axium, who gets pulled into an underground boxing ring that's made up of former C-tier marvel villians.  It was predictable and a little generic, but it was also neat because it was down to earth and explored the everyday life, trying to get by post-prison and reforming while on parole life of a minor super villians.  As it went on I was enjoying it more and more and then it just SUDDENLY ENDS and there's like 3 pages where all the characters give up on their bad ideas and have one panel of being happy THE END.  This was really weird so I looked it up and apparently the sales were awful for this arc so it just got cancelled after 6 issues.  >_<  I'm actually surprised in the 500+ comic issues I've read so far in the last 6 months on Marvel Unlimited that this was the first sudden cancellation I've encountered.  I mean I've read stuff where it didn't get picked up for another season/run like Nextwave, but at least those are fairly self-conclusive whereas this Thunderbolts arc just STOPPED lol

So next I'm going to read Avengers/Thunderbolts which is the next Thunderbolts story and and takes place right before Avengers Dissembled.   Also, still reading Elektra and I'm reading regular good old 2000-2004 era Avengers because I haven't read many normal Avengers runs and watching Age of Ultron got me in the mood to read some Avengers comics and the 2000-2004 run leading up to and ending with Avengers Dissembled fits into my "read everything Marvel 2000 (with some stuff starting in 1997/1998)-2004 leading up to Avengers Dissembled before moving on to post Dissambled" current reading. 

It's actually been pretty cool reading the entire Marvel catalog from 2000 on because it's half for entertainment and half like taking a college course on Marvel comics and learning about all the characters that inhabit the Marvel Comic Universe which has just a gigantic amount of lore and scope at this point.  I dig learning, so that aspect really appeals to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: parallax on May 07, 2015, 10:23:45 PM
they dont have all of the thunderbolts run up on unlimited? the fuck?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: benjipwns on May 07, 2015, 11:18:24 PM
I dropped it around the time it crossed over with Fables because I wasn't reading that. What a shame
The end of that Fables crossover (actually an alternate Fables universe lol) was actually the ending of the series, then they did a 12 issue wrap-up called "The Unwritten: Apocalypse." That didn't wrap anything up, made everything more convoluted and could have been done in six issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 08:48:42 AM
Never read that version of Thunderbolts.  Sucks that Marvel Unlimited doesn't have everything...WTF is the point of that service if you can't get full runs?  Seems like they tried to make Baron Zemo a good guy for a while, then the series ended and he faded into obscurity.  Guess he'll be back if he's gonna be in the Cap Civil War movie.

I only read the later Thunderbolts runs.  Both were short-lived.  The first one might have been part of the original series (can't remember), but there was a huge roster shift and Luke Cage was the leader.  A bunch of the characters ended up in an alternate reality and the story was pretty interesting...and then it ended.  The last Thunderbolts series had absolutely nothing to do with the original one, apart from the name.  This was a team run by the Red Hulk (General "Thunderbolt" Ross..how...clever...?) that had Punisher, Deadpool, Elektra, The Leader (now Red Leader), Agent Venom, and later on (Johnny Blaze) Ghost Rider.  Started off OK enough and ended on a rather "meh" note.
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Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 10:51:04 AM
Also it's not like you can't read things like Daredevil, Ms Marvel, Captian Marvel, plenty of X-men(though why would you they all suck), and what not that stand on thier own.

Yup.  It may be an interconnected universe, but plenty of books are generally pretty self-contained.  Especially X-Men nowadays. 

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I can't stand Japan so I don't read any manga. Just Gundam The Origin. The Incal and Peresepolis are the only French Comics I've read with Peresepolis being pretty fantastic.
shonen and shoujo series have the same basic tropes for their given categories. with shonen its often main characters with something special about them that fall into worlds larger than anything theyve imagined, and and they rise, fail, and eventually overcome obstacles to meet their goals. theres training arcs, tournament arcs, vacation chapters, misunderstandings over inane shit, getting completely blown away by an enemy/rival to learn character limitations. shoujo has weak/clumsy female protagonists, prince charming like male romance leads, male harems with men of all types that all desire the main female. and internal growth. seinen and josei are more diverse than those categories true, but im not gonna pretend like manga is some comic sect that favors originality.

It's pretty ridiculous to put down manga as a whole.  There are plenty of Japanese comics that don't follow the shonen and shoujo norms.  Manga has a lot of diversity, although to be fair you typically will get just the shonen crap translated into English.

I just want to read the fucking X-men, why is it so hard for Marvel to understand that their baggage is the problem and making these world-shattering events, even for a reboot is what drives casual readers away?

...So just read the X-Men.  In fact, it looks like after Secret Wars is over, the X-Men will be put onto their own world and will be self-contained away from the rest of the Marvel Universe, because you know, fuck Fox for owning the movie rights and all that.


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Also it's not like you can't read things like Daredevil, Ms Marvel, Captian Marvel, plenty of X-men(though why would you they all suck), and what not that stand on thier own.

Not ENTIRELY true!

(http://i.imgur.com/6qnWoJ2.jpg)


Entirely true.  The "last days" branding is just being used for comics with settings that take place before Secret Wars, I.E. what happens to these characters right before the event starts.
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Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 11:39:40 AM
Rumor on what will happen to the X-Men after Secret Wars:

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Because what we have now been told by multiple sources is that the X-Men will discover that the Inhuman Terragenesis mists kills mutants. And with it circling the globe, the X-Men and mutantkind choose to leave the Earth, go onto space, and found a brand new world.

Same reality, different planet. X-Men In Space. “An entire new world.”

It was a while ago that we first reported that it was Marvel’s wish that the Inhumans replace mutants in the Marvel universe. I just never guessed it would never actually be enacted so literally.
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(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/wtf-is-this-shit.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 08, 2015, 12:18:31 PM
Just cancel the xbooks if you have such contempt for them. Such a shame to see them treat what was once thier golden goose like bastards.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2015, 12:46:28 PM
WHY DOES IT SAY SECRET WARS ON THE COVER

THIS SHIT IS CONFUSING
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Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 12:48:10 PM
It's just for collector freaks but who knows if the potential sales loss from people who want to avoid all that shit might be more than the potential new sales from secret wars completionists.
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Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 12:50:15 PM
The way they treat the xmen rofl. Marvel is just a disaster
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Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 12:50:36 PM
WHY DOES IT SAY SECRET WARS ON THE COVER

THIS SHIT IS CONFUSING

It also says "LAST DAYS" in big letters above the title.
:ufup

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“What would you do if you learned today was your last day on Earth?” says Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso. “That’s the question your favorite Marvel heroes are going to ask themselves in their LAST DAYS story lines as they brace for Secret Wars and the end of the Marvel Universe.”

Battleworld is set to transform the Marvel Universe as you know it. But before Secret Wars can begin, this chapter may come to a close. What will our heroes do with their final hours? What secrets will be unearthed? Who will they want to spend their LAST DAYS with?

I would expect that to be the end of the series.  Will it start over?  No idea, but we already know that Ms. Marvel will be in the new Avengers book.
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Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 12:52:03 PM
WHY DOES IT SAY SECRET WARS ON THE COVER

THIS SHIT IS CONFUSING

I'd tell you, but it's a secret. :shh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 12:53:38 PM
That's what I don't get about it.  If they hate X-Men now so much because of the movies, just get rid of them.  I mean, it won't work and the Inhumans are never going to work as a replacement, but hey.
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Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 12:56:48 PM
If they canceled xmen, I'd finally be free from comics. I'd just occasionally re-read my copy of xmen lifedeath  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2015, 12:59:40 PM

Entirely true.  The "last days" branding is just being used for comics with settings that take place before Secret Wars, I.E. what happens to these characters right before the event starts.

I would expect that to be the end of the series.  Will it start over?  No idea, but we already know that Ms. Marvel will be in the new Avengers book.

(http://i.imgur.com/SyLbm6S.gif)

BTW, Ms Marvel is NOT one of the books Marvel is killing off. So I'm safe.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 01:09:30 PM
BTW, Ms Marvel is NOT one of the books Marvel is killing off. So I'm safe.

They're starting everything over AFAIK.  The only mention of Ms. Marvel I've seen is this:

(http://www.blastr.com/sites/blastr/files/styles/media_gallery_image/public/ANAD-Avengers.jpg?itok=t8zLlvIW)

And wow, Kid Nova, Spider-Miles, and Ms. Marvel are totally out of place on that team.  Too young.  Why not make a new Young Avengers book with them or something?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2015, 01:17:25 PM
Yeah, I've got that ish.

These are all the books Marvel is ending for Secret Wars. Ms Marvel's not on the list, and further, she's just starting to get into her story.

    All-New Captain America
    All-New Ghost Rider
    All-New X-Men
    Amazing Spider-Man
    Amazing X-Men
    Angela: Asgard’s Assassin
    Avengers
    Avengers World
    Captain Marvel
    Cyclops
    Deadpool
    Elektra
    Fantastic Four
    Guardians 3000
    Guardians of the Galaxy
    Hulk
    Inhuman
    Iron Fist: The Living Weapon
    Legendary Star-Lord
    Miles Morales: Ultimate Spider-Man
    New Avengers
    Nightcrawler
    Nova
    Rocket Raccoon
    Secret Avengers
    Spider-Man & The X-Men
    Spider-Man 2099
    Storm
    Superior Iron Man
    Thor
    Uncanny X-Men
    Wolverines
    X-Men
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 01:20:08 PM
That's an old list.  Some of those books already ended like a month ago.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: thisismyusername on May 08, 2015, 01:20:12 PM
...So just read the X-Men.

You're missing what I'm getting at. For me to read the X-men now, I have to go through 50+ issues of cross-overs and other bullshit when most of the time those cross-overs are only 1-2 issues and probably could just be referenced in future issues as a "hey, remember that time where <<Cross over happens>>?"

Instead, we have to buy X-men #5908305 and #0983405834058340 for Secret Wars AND buy the main Secret Wars thing to even get a sense of what the fuck X-men #0958063805348 was going on about.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 01:21:37 PM
...So just read the X-Men.

You're missing what I'm getting at. For me to read the X-men now, I have to go through 50+ issues of cross-overs and other bullshit when most of the time those cross-overs are only 1-2 issues and probably could just be referenced in future issues as a "hey, remember that time where <<Cross over happens>>?"

Instead, we have to buy X-men #5908305 and #0983405834058340 for Secret Wars AND buy the main Secret Wars thing to even get a sense of what the fuck X-men #0958063805348 was going on about.

I know what you're saying.  And I'm saying that you don't have to go through 50+ issues of cross-overs.  If you don't care about the few X-Men crossover issues...skip them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2015, 01:26:26 PM
Kill.

Crossovers.

They're shit.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 01:30:20 PM
X-Men centric crossovers are great.

Inferno  :rejoice

Mutant Massacre :rejoice

Fall of the Mutants :rejoice

X-Cutioner's Song :rejoice

Age of Apocalypse :rejoice

Operation Zero Tolerance :rejoice

Messiah Complex :rejoice

Age of X :rejoice

Like if you don't stan down for X-overs, what is your life. The peak of comics tbh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2015, 01:34:56 PM
Messiah Complex sucks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 01:40:36 PM
Messiah Complex sucks.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/3bc94c24b2fe3fba894849ba0a574ce3/tumblr_inline_nn8q5nVv531qifwsr_500.gif)

Madrox and Layla getting sent into the future? Bishop destroying the mansion? Predator X eating the dead x-kids in the graveyard? Mystique's crazy plan all coming together and saving Rogue from the Hecatomb?? It was incredible! The trilogy was ruined by those POS Messiah War and Second Coming, but MC is probably the best X-Over since AoA.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 01:42:00 PM
X-Men centric crossovers are great.

Inferno  :rejoice

I couldn't get through most of this.  The tie-ins (which were not X-Men related) were especially bad.

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Mutant Massacre :rejoice

Never read this.   :-[

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Fall of the Mutants :rejoice

Ditto.  :-[

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X-Cutioner's Song :rejoice

Don't really remember it.

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Age of Apocalypse :rejoice

Overrated as fuck, but fun.
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Operation Zero Tolerance :rejoice

 ???

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Messiah Complex :rejoice

Yes!  I liked the the whole Messiah trilogy, in fact.  Good read.

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Age of X :rejoice

Meh.

You're also leaving out some stuff.  That old Phalanx story which introduced Generation X, Fatal Attractions, and the crossover storyline with the X-men/X-Factor/New Mutants where they went to Genosha and fought Cameron Hodge.  Forgot the name of it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 01:44:50 PM
Kill.

Crossovers.

They're shit.

I don't get why they just don't make these big event books and keep them all self-contained.  IIRC DC did exactly that with Blackest Night.  You had the main Blackest Night comics, then all the tie-ins were their own self-contained Blackest Night miniseries.  Just do this and leave the regular books alone.  You can still have the regular series get an issue or two that deals with the fallout from the events.  That's fine.

But then it might be too difficult with huge, "world-changing" storylines.  At least keep stuff self-contained.

Messiah Complex sucks.

:ufup
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Kara on May 08, 2015, 01:47:10 PM
X-Cutioner's Song :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2015, 01:49:59 PM
Messiah Complex sucks.

(https://38.media.tumblr.com/3bc94c24b2fe3fba894849ba0a574ce3/tumblr_inline_nn8q5nVv531qifwsr_500.gif)

Madrox and Layla getting sent into the future? Bishop destroying the mansion? Predator X eating the dead x-kids in the graveyard? Mystique's crazy plan all coming together and saving Rogue from the Hecatomb?? It was incredible! The trilogy was ruined by those POS Messiah War and Second Coming, but MC is probably the best X-Over since AoA.

The best thing to come from Messiah Complex was X-Factor Investigations :rejoice

I'm not a big fan of MC, but at the very least, I always respect how unlike other comics, actions have gravitas within the world of X-Men. Messiah Complex's effects can still be felt today in the current X-Men lineup due to Mutants being nearly extinct. That's almost 10 years, amazing.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 01:51:13 PM
Yeah, I left out a few like Phalanx Covenant (RIP Blink) and X-Tinction Agenda is the Genosha one. Also the godawful ones like Muir Island Saga, Ages of Apocalypse, Onslaught and Necrosha  :yuck :lol

X-Cutioner's song is the nonstop climax action fuckery when Stryfe kills Xavier and ruins the X-Men's lives because he wants to be a real boy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 01:55:29 PM
Yeah, I left out a few like Phalanx Covenant (RIP Blink) and X-Tinction Agenda is the Genosha one. Also the godawful ones like Muir Island Saga, Ages of Apocalypse, Onslaught and Necrosha  :yuck :lol

RIP BLINK

WAIT

WE MEAN BLINK ACTUALLY WENT TO THE NEGATIVE ZONE

AND THEN POPPED UP IN EXILES

BECAUSE WHY NOT

NO WAIT

THAT WAS THE AOA BLINK

BUT 616 BLINK

YEAH

WE BROUGHT HER BACK TOO

AS A VILLAIN

BECAUSE WHY NOT


I don't remember what "Ages Of Apocalypse" is either.  I kind of liked Necrosha though.   :-[ 

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X-Cutioner's song is the nonstop climax action fuckery when Stryfe kills Xavier and ruins the X-Men's lives because he wants to be a real boy.

I should re-read it.  Have the original comics stored away somewhere.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Yulwei on May 08, 2015, 02:00:53 PM
Of all the X-Men crossovers I've read Messiah complex was def the best. Then again I think AoA is hot trash so my taste may be suspect.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Tasty on May 08, 2015, 02:06:58 PM
Rumor on what will happen to the X-Men after Secret Wars:

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Because what we have now been told by multiple sources is that the X-Men will discover that the Inhuman Terragenesis mists kills mutants. And with it circling the globe, the X-Men and mutantkind choose to leave the Earth, go onto space, and found a brand new world.

Same reality, different planet. X-Men In Space. “An entire new world.”

It was a while ago that we first reported that it was Marvel’s wish that the Inhumans replace mutants in the Marvel universe. I just never guessed it would never actually be enacted so literally.
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(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/wtf-is-this-shit.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/qnnkkt7.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 02:10:22 PM
I can't see that X-Men plotline being accepted if it's true.

Fanboys will rage, and Marvel will just go "We could just cancel it instead.  Read Inhumans."  :smug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: Himu on May 08, 2015, 02:18:17 PM
Rumor on what will happen to the X-Men after Secret Wars:

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Because what we have now been told by multiple sources is that the X-Men will discover that the Inhuman Terragenesis mists kills mutants. And with it circling the globe, the X-Men and mutantkind choose to leave the Earth, go onto space, and found a brand new world.

Same reality, different planet. X-Men In Space. “An entire new world.”

It was a while ago that we first reported that it was Marvel’s wish that the Inhumans replace mutants in the Marvel universe. I just never guessed it would never actually be enacted so literally.
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(http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/wtf-is-this-shit.jpg)

:rofl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 02:30:34 PM
bork, you should make Mutant Massacre and Fall of the Mutants next on your reading list. They are so fucking good, especially Fall of the Mutants. It might be the best x-over ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 02:43:40 PM
I'll give 'em a shot, I guess.  Although that particular period of time is not one I'm fond of.  Was never into the...fallout...of fall of the mutants with them in Australia and that stupid Siege Perilous shit, AKA why the fuck did they feel the need to make Psylocke Asian instead of just introducing a new Asian ninja-mutant-lady character?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 02:49:10 PM
While on the subject, I never cared for the New Mutants, either.  Sorry, just didn't care.  Started reading their stuff when the book changed to X-Force with Rob LOLfield art.  I know Chris Claremont created that team, but I still remember it seeming like he was putting them down by having Kitty Pryde constantly refer to them as "The X-Babies."   :lol  Reminds of something Vince McMahon would do, with the way RAW used to put down Smackdown!.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Supermanisdead on May 08, 2015, 03:11:05 PM
Fall of the Mutants is pre-Australia. It's the event that leads to the Australian X-Men era and sets up Magik's dark side and Inferno a couple years later.

I love New Mutants :-[ It was so innocent and charmingly out-of-touch. Danielle Moonstar being this angry Native American who didn't trust "white eyes" like Xavier and rebelled by wearing her Cheyenne fashion belt which was strictly against dress code.  Then there was Roberto Dacosta was this arrogant Brazilian soccer star who went around screaming "Madonna!" while Wolfsbane was the poster child of cartoonish religious oppression. I loved every minute of that stereotype clusterfuck. I'm not even going to start with Karma and Cannonball :lol

X-Force was good too, I think it was probably the most consistently good X-Comic in the 90s. Didn't care for Liefeld's early days, but when Nicieza took over, it was awesome. Loeb and JF Moore's runs were really great too. It's a shame what Warren Ellis did to those poor mutants.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 08, 2015, 03:38:35 PM
Fall of the Mutants is pre-Australia. It's the event that leads to the Australian X-Men era and sets up Magik's dark side and Inferno a couple years later.

I know...that's why I said the "fallout of fall of the mutants."   :P
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I love New Mutants :-[ It was so innocent and charmingly out-of-touch. Danielle Moonstar being this angry Native American who didn't trust "white eyes" like Xavier and rebelled by wearing her Cheyenne fashion belt which was strictly against dress code.  Then there was Roberto Dacosta was this arrogant Brazilian soccer star who went around screaming "Madonna!" while Wolfsbane was the poster child of cartoonish religious oppression. I loved every minute of that stereotype clusterfuck. I'm not even going to start with Karma and Cannonball :lol

I think my problem with that team stems from their powers.  I just didn't think most of them were as cool as what the X-Men had.  I like the way Sunspot looks when transformed, though.  Cypher was the worst in that regard but I guess they got around that with Warlock acting like his "armor" later on.

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X-Force was good too, I think it was probably the most consistently good X-Comic in the 90s. Didn't care for Liefeld's early days, but when Nicieza took over, it was awesome. Loeb and JF Moore's runs were really great too. It's a shame what Warren Ellis did to those poor mutants.

I quit reading Marvel around 1995 and didn't start again until maybe 2003 or 2004.  I read that X-Force got pretty good during a time when most Marvel comics were shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 08, 2015, 08:24:01 PM
I know this has nothing to do with the current convo but Himu brought up The Incal in the GAF thread and I always thought it's shame people never bring up the prequel or sequel along with it. Now inb4 cuz they're worse/shit because they're good stuff, if you liked the first one, you'd like the other parts. I can only assume they don't know about the other installments, it's just that to me to read The Incal, is to read the entire series because they all inform one another and build from it.

http://www.amazon.com/Realist-Asaf-Hanuka/dp/1608866882/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431130864&sr=8-1&keywords=the+realist

I'm like halfway through this, it's pretty nice.

Another note I'm I using "they're" correctly? I keep thinking i should be using "their good" but that doesn't right to me. I just dunno.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 08, 2015, 08:32:23 PM
double post and everything but on Secret Wars: i noticed that marvel hasn't put out a preview for issue 2, they do so every Friday on CBR for next weeks new releases but they didn't show anything for Secret Wars #2 and I think that's so cool. It really sells the "this is serious, gamechanger shit going down". You have no idea whats gonna happen next week, it's cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 08, 2015, 09:00:15 PM
Exiles was hot, Blink was hot.  :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on May 08, 2015, 09:03:07 PM
Exiles was hot, Blink was hot.  :(

exiles had a pretty dope run. kinda wish tj would have stuck around more
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 09, 2015, 12:25:15 AM
X-Cutioner's Song :whew

That was my shit back in the day. I think that was the first crossover I actually followed. Dem polybagged issues and trading cards. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: chronovore on May 09, 2015, 02:16:01 AM
The way they treat the xmen rofl. Marvel is just a disaster

It's gotta be down to movie money. Marvel is doing weird stuff to cut the legs out from the cinema properties not controlled by Disney.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Avengers gender and race changes for everyone!
Post by: bluemax on May 09, 2015, 06:44:57 AM
It really is kind of sad that Doctor Strange never got better writing or better writers in general. The best I've read of him was a relatively recent retelling of his origin story. And even that was just pretty alright.

Grantland had a pretty thorough write up on the history of Dr Strange and his different eras awhile back. If It wasnt almost 4am Id go link it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on May 09, 2015, 07:00:57 PM
I've actually been reading Exiles since someone brought it up. It's pretty fun so far, like an X-men Quantum Leap.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2015, 03:24:50 AM
I've actually been reading Exiles since someone brought it up. It's pretty fun so far, like an X-men Quantum Leap.
It's one of the few mainstream company series where I actually got feels regarding some of the characters, since they could actually "kill them" by sending them home. And the mystery was good for the first part of the series. And they got to jump into a bunch of alternate universes that didn't have to be fully fleshed out and built up, just enough for that story and then they moved on. So your interest was peaked and left you wondering. And if you weren't familiar with series or teams or characters or whatever they did a good job giving you what you needed to know.

I came across it by accident years ago and wound up pouring through it quickly because of basically how you described it. The New Exiles was never satisfactory though.

One reason I loved Booster Gold's late series was that it was basically a DC version of Exiles. Only with Booster fucking Gold.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 11, 2015, 09:07:14 AM
Exiles was a lot of fun, yeah.  I read through and enjoyed pretty much the whole run of the first series.  Could not get into the follow and the newer series that replaced it after that, though.

Exiles was basically What If? but with a group of characters traveling to and interacting with the alternate realities.  The short-lived X-Treme X-Men series with Dazzler as the main character was also similar.  Worth checking out if you want more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on May 12, 2015, 12:47:44 AM
Lady Thor has been revealed

Spoilers obviously
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 13, 2015, 12:27:19 AM
Squirrel girl is bad?

No, it's pretty great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 13, 2015, 08:34:31 AM
Hate the art on Squirrel Girl.

Re: Thor.  That reveal is kinda "eh" to me.  The only thing that would be cool is if that spills over into the movies and we get Natalie Portman-Thor.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Mr. Nobody on May 13, 2015, 03:53:21 PM
Spurrier's Legacy and X-Force is over

The X-Men line no longer matters folks
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 13, 2015, 03:56:35 PM
The X-Men line hasn't mattered for a loooooooooooong time.  With so many bad or forgettable stories, it's like the WWE of comic books where you keep wishing for the good ol' days.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 13, 2015, 04:25:01 PM
Secret Wars #2 was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Mr. Nobody on May 13, 2015, 04:30:41 PM
Ms. Marvel continues to be kawaii with Miyazawa on art  :uguu

If this book gets cancelled and Captain Mediocre survives yet again, I'm writing a stern email to the Marvel offices  >:(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Supermanisdead on May 13, 2015, 04:50:05 PM
I never cared for Spurrier's X-Men Legacy. Legion is a garbage character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Mr. Nobody on May 13, 2015, 11:08:32 PM
I never cared for Spurrier's X-Men Legacy. Legion is a garbage character.
That run made me care about him  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 15, 2015, 02:57:26 AM
Is Whedon's X-Men run any good? I'm hitting up a used bookstore tomorrow and want to grab some trades.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 15, 2015, 03:07:23 AM
Is Whedon's X-Men run any good? I'm hitting up a used bookstore tomorrow and want to grab some trades.

It's fun in a simple Saturday morning cartoon way,

...and Wolverine really likes beer in it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 15, 2015, 08:38:48 AM
Secret Wars #2 was pretty cool.

They should have made Secret Wars #1 a #0 issue and Secret Wars #2 should have been the 'real' start of this series.  Completely different tone than the first issue.  Was pretty cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 16, 2015, 05:31:18 PM
Picked up some funny books today for a little light reading later:

(http://i.imgur.com/ylTcxRD.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 16, 2015, 06:50:12 PM
I need to get on Descender. Dustin Nguyen is an art-god.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on May 22, 2015, 02:59:34 AM
A Punisher/Dr. Strange fusion is something I never knew I needed

http://imgur.com/a/c5WnC

From Secret Wars: Battleworld #1
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 24, 2015, 04:54:11 AM
Some comics I read in over the last few weeks:

Elektra - Finished the 36 or so issue run and it was fairly good, at least in a very entertaining way, but it was weird how you're reading a comic where the my character is a psychopath who murders dozens of innocent people left and right along her trail of destruction, horrible horrible person and then they start to try to redeem her so you feel less grossed out about her being the main character of a series but then in the end she goes back to being a horrible murder who will stab a guy in the face if he says hi to her when she's in a bad mood.  I'd enjoy Elektra more as an anti-hero, but as a fucked up murdering psychopath...not so much a fan.

Inhumans (2000) 4 issue run - zzzzzzzz, the 1998 run was ok, but this little saga with RONIN THE DESTROYER was boring and way too packed with space war stuff in 4 issues.

Fantastic Four 51-55 - Ties into the Inhumans thing, where the Inhumans split off and need a place to stay.  Was fine, I enjoy FF a good deal from what I've read.

Young Inhumans 1-12 (2003-2004) - This was solid.  Didn't think I'd care about Inhumans spinoff but Aleri the football jock guy was great and it was an enjoyable read.

Avengers pre 2004 - Just been reading some of the arcs from 1998-2004 Avengers run, read through the big Ultron one today where he murders an entire country.  Honestly I think Avengers kind of sucks compared to individual superhero comics.  It's just way too packed and every 2 issues is avengers fighting some new villian and it struggles so hard to give all the characters room to breathe and have lots of mindless action.  I dunno, I find that Avengers comics just kind of give me a headache.  I like the characters who make up the avengers, just as a group ehh.

Next up is Thor: Death of Odin (#36-43 in 2001) and Thor Son of Asgard 1-12.  Looking forward to it since I've liked most Thor stuff I've read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 25, 2015, 04:46:23 AM
And in non-marvel, I've been on a Batman kick lately because somehow, Batman never gets old and is more enjoyable than 99% of all other superhero comics.  After finishing Arkham Origins, I watched Assault on Arkham which was alright, and then I read The Long Halloween which was greaaaat.  Loved the noir mobster murder mystery plot, loved the art, had a lot of neat scenes and incorporated a bunch of Batman villians.  Pretty much was a story that had a bit of everything Batman.  Then I read The Killing Joke and wasn't too impressed.  I felt like Alan Moore's Joker feels way too far from the Joker that I know from the Hamill Animated Series Joker and Arkham games Joker.  He's kind of too...normal and his origin story is totally boring and it's really hard picturing that the guy in the origin story could become the person that is the modern Joker.  Didn't help that I really disliked the art in this one and it was way too wordy prose-wise, plus it was a pretty short little tale and after reading the 13 issue Long Halloween it felt lacking.

Gonna read some other Batman soon, would like some more stuff on the quality of The Long Halloween.  Gonna read Hush and Morrison's Arkham Asylum, maybe Miller's The Dark Knight Returns but I'm worried that'll spoil a lot of Batman v Superman's plotline on the Batman side and I wanna go into that fresh.  I did read Year One a while back and liked it a lot.  That and the two I read this weekend are probably the only Batman comics I've read as I mainly know Batman from the animated series and the movies/games.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 25, 2015, 08:58:11 AM
Didn't help that I really disliked the art in this one

disliking Brian Bolland?

bebpo plz
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 25, 2015, 08:59:51 AM
Killing Joke is definitely of its time, like DKR.  I liked it okay, but it's not amongst my favorite Batman stories. I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone say they didn't like Brian Bolland's art, though :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 25, 2015, 09:02:27 AM
Dark Victory is a direct followup to Long Halloween, so you should check that out next, Bebpo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 27, 2015, 02:13:57 PM
CONVERGENCE SPOILERS: http://bit.ly/1ewjnfD

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Convergence has eliminated the collapse of the multiverse in the original Crisis on Infinite Earths

But...Infinite Crisis already did that.  :dizzy
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 27, 2015, 02:16:59 PM
CONVERGENCE SPOILERS: http://bit.ly/1ewjnfD

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Convergence has eliminated the collapse of the multiverse in the original Crisis on Infinite Earths

But...Infinite Crisis already did that.  :dizzy
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WTF?   :lol


WWWWWWWWWWWWWTTTTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF :rofl

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Brainiac explains his origin — that he was basically created by all the DC reboots over the years, as he sought knowledge and traveled through time. "My body lost to the cancerous growths caused by exposure to the multiverse," Brainiac claims. "I wish to return to what I was."
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:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 27, 2015, 02:19:37 PM
I mean, it's what all the DC haters have wanted for years now, and hopefully it frees them up to do a lot more nongrimdark stories, but yeah. :dizzy

Can we go five years without a fucking multiverse-altering event, DC? For crying out loud. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 27, 2015, 02:20:40 PM
And Earth 2 is, predictably, back again.  And no, that doesn't need to be spoilered.

So basically DC is doing the opposite of what Marvel is doing and bringing back all the alternate realities.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 27, 2015, 02:23:24 PM
Does this mean Batman '66 is canon now?  :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 27, 2015, 02:24:21 PM
Does this mean Batman '66 is canon now?  :hyper

It was always canon (in our hearts.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Eel O'Brian on May 27, 2015, 04:46:35 PM
And Earth 2 is, predictably, back again.  And no, that doesn't need to be spoilered.

Golden Age/Justice Society Earth 2?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on May 27, 2015, 05:07:18 PM
And Earth 2 is, predictably, back again.  And no, that doesn't need to be spoilered.

So basically DC is doing the opposite of what Marvel is doing and bringing back all the alternate realities.   :lol

earth prime is back, and im glad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 28, 2015, 08:24:51 AM
And Earth 2 is, predictably, back again.  And no, that doesn't need to be spoilered.

Golden Age/Justice Society Earth 2?

"New 52" Earth 2.  The Golden Age Earth must have another number now.  So you get the younger versions of Alan Scott Green Lantern, Jay Garrick Flash, and then new versions of Dr. Fate, Hawkgirl, Superman, and Batman (at least, I assume Batman-- Earth 2 Batman died during Convergence but it appears that Earth 2 Dick Grayson will take his place), plus Powergirl and Huntress among others.  Fury also switched sides in the last Earth 2 series, so I assume she'll end up as the new Wonder Woman or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on June 03, 2015, 01:34:26 PM
Infinity Gauntlet was the surprise of last week.

Secret Wars #3 was good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 03, 2015, 01:51:09 PM
Infinity Gauntlet was the surprise of last week.

Secret Wars #3 was good.

Infinity Gauntlet was great, yeah.  X-Men '92 was the worst of the bunch, I think. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on June 03, 2015, 06:48:20 PM
I thought Battleworld sounded awful, but I'm really liking what we got. It's far less gimmicky than I imagined, plus anything with Doom in a central role will be awesome more often than not.

Hickman writes Doom really well.

he writes him as a tragic, sympathetic character, instead of a plot device that can only be beaten by joke characters, so i agree
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 03, 2015, 09:11:28 PM
Justice League:  Darkseid War started out ok, the focus on WW was weird since I don't read her book but fine. It really reminded me of Final Crisis which can be good or bad...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Mr. Nobody on June 03, 2015, 10:55:39 PM
Yeah, Secret Wars and Justice League were winners today.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2015, 03:26:41 AM
Justice League:  Darkseid War started out ok, the focus on WW was weird since I don't read her book but fine. It really reminded me of Final Crisis which can be good or bad...
That's what it is...it feels like Johns doing the ultimate battle with Darkseid part of Final Crisis. I couldn't put my finger on it.

Speaking of Morrison, I wonder why DC bothered to do The Multiversity and Convergence at basically the same time. Why "map" the Multiverse if you're just going to shatter the concept completely and allow all your books to supposedly go wherever they want. Although technically they will probably "fit" into one of those worlds.

And this was really just an extensively dumb way to end and then reboot the Earth 2 series. I'll have to look at Batman Beyond to see if Futures End's plotline is actually going to go anywhere. I really liked the start of that...and Earth 2...before they went all silly. I can't imagine the readership on Earth 2 was large enough to make them the central characters in Convergence, but maybe it was?

Also, just to comment on confusion you had above I think the primary difference is that Infinite Crisis created a new multiverse, but everything that got wiped out with Crisis was still wiped out unless otherwise noted or changed by Zero Hour/Infinite Crisis/Flashpoint/Bloodlines/Secret Origins/Armaggedon 2001/Hawkworld/Justice League Cry for Justice/etc. What they've done with Convergence is say not only is there a multiverse but all that pre-Crisis stuff never got wiped out in the first place so it's all usable again. (Even though Morrison and others were using it anyway, now they don't need to come up with explanations for it.)

Trinity War/Forever Evil was still the dumbest part of the New 52 imo, felt like it had no plan or point even if it did bring back the Anti-Monitor. (Which means Crisis did happen? Or hadn't in the first place and Convergence explains why? Wait...he came back before multiple times, are there still a bunch of Monitors who don't seem to care about him? Or just Nix Uotan? Or is he just the Monitor of this multiverse since there's multiple multiverses according to The Multiversity.)

The Wonder Woman focus is mostly explained in Divergence, but there's been a running plot in WW about her ignoring/harming her sisters to the benefit of the "world of men." Also, she's now the God of War if that hasn't been mentioned anywhere else and there's a whole bunch of responsibilities with that too she's failing to accept, mainly the whole slaughtering people through war thing. Then there's her internship at the fashion magazine plus wacky dates with the reporter from the Daily Planet.
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The thing I liked about Infinite Crisis, wasn't it, as much as the events on either side of it, OMAC Project, Day of Vengeance, 52, Shadowpact, Checkmate, Secret Six, etc. those felt like "big deal" status changing events more than Infinite Crisis itself. Batman's increasing paranoia, Wonder Woman killing, the major changes to how magic worked, the "human" response to the superpowered, the acknowledgement of the need of black ops heroes and not just the Suicide Squad, Black Adam seizing control of a country and personally going to "war" with everybody because why not.

If the Death of the Fourth World/Multiverse hadn't been so poorly handled, Countdown so absolutely terrible, and Blackest Night/Flashpoint so immediately in the wake, Final Crisis would have been maybe a more definitive DC event with The Bleed, The Legion and New Gods so tied in along with Superman and Batman. Should have just expanded Final Crisis by five issues and let Morrison handle the Death of the New Gods/Multiverses to start it. He did more with less than Countdown had done with its attempt at a "big deal" killing off of the different Earths. And it would have kept things tighter.

I guess it's rather amusing that the main analogy of Final Crisis is what DC editorial is now accepting. Convergence's two issues of plot stretched over nine issues with 80% of it hastily explained at the end after [meaningless crap] occurs throughout most of it retroactively made me appreciate Morrison's way of destroying and recreating the Multiverse a lot more. And also bookend plot of The Multiversity. Which now seems like Morrison trying to wrap up his "DC arc" that goes back to Animal Man (or at least Seven Soldiers...he says it only goes back to his return to DC after Marvel, but a lot of the same stuff is all over Doom Patrol and JLA...and Flex Mentallo...and The Filth) before bailing out. (I don't think he's got anything further planned for DC except Wonder Woman Earth One? I know he's got a number of other stuff like the Nameless and Annihilator coming out though and he wanted to focus on creator-owned stuff more.)

Disclosure: OMAC Project was what got me back into DC's mainline comics after I had drifted off following No Man's Land, I thought it and the mid-point of Final Crisis are some of the bigger "high stakes" moments in modern D.C. where I actually felt like a point of no return had been crossed. In Final Crisis it literally was, OMAC left a whole bunch of plot strands danging throughout Checkmate and 52 and into Final Crisis until Rucka left DC and Johns wiped most everything else in DC out with his 500 Green Lantern titles and crossovers and his incoherent after the beginning (kinda like...GL) Flash garbage*.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 04, 2015, 03:27:02 AM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 08:17:55 AM
Secret Wars 3 was such a great read.  Nice to see the survivors finally popping up and the reasons for Strange acting the way he has been also being revealed.

God Emperor Doom is so amazing. It's really a wasted opportunity that we're only getting this kind of scenario for 8 issues. It should have been the default state for awhile.


Definitely.  Feels like we're not getting enough time in this new world they've created.  This should have been a year-long event if not longer.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 08:37:31 AM
Read through Hulk (2014-2015) 1-16.  This was a pretty quick read and the storyline was pretty much entirely self-contained.   It starts out with Bruce Banner getting shot in the head and appearing to be reduced to the mental state of a two year old, but when he turns into the Hulk, the Hulk is unaffected by the brain damage.  An Iron Man-developed Extremis...thing is put inside Banner's head to help fix the brain damage, but he is warned that turning into the Hulk and back could fuck up his mind.

And then they pretty much drop this plotline entirely.

The Extremis thing increases the Hulk's intelligence.  "Hulk is the smartest one there is" now.   He starts dressing in nice clothes and calling himself "Dr. Green."  He hires scientists to work for him in a secret lair (yes, seriously  :lol). Banner is barely present here.  Doc Green then makes it his mission to rid the world of "gamma weapons," AKA other Hulks.  He develops a serum, made from his blood and nanomachines, that will stop gamma-related powers from triggering.  Hulk succeeds in de-powering A-Bomb (Rick Jones, who quickly goes from being pissed at Hulk to being on his side because what the fuck lol), Red She-Hulk (Betty Ross), Skaar (Hulk's son from an alien world),  Gamma Force (some d-list group of gamma-powered military types), and Red Hulk ("Thunderbolt" Ross, who goes down after a series of battles). 

Hulk doesn't de-power Lyra, his daughter from an alternate future, and tries to send her back to her own time...only the A.I. he developed that was assisting him sends her somewhere else, because it has gained total sentience and turned evil.  Lyra is shown in a dimension that appears to be full of tentacle-rape monsters.  Hulk keeps saying he's going to rescue her and never does.
:dead

Hulk's evil A.I. tries to carry on Hulk's de-powering mission, only it wants to kill instead of just neuter powers.  Hulk stops it, but it ends up downloading itself into a SHIELD life model decoy and helps the Red Leader counter the effects of the serum Doc Green injects him with.  Red Leader loses his power, then whatever the A.I. gave him kicks in and he becomes the (green) Leader again.

The series ends with Doc Green finally getting to the last gamma-powered character, She-Hulk.  All the Avengers back her up and Doc Green decides he's not going to de-power her because she can keep her anger under control.  He then reveals that he is "dying," I.E. losing his intelligence and will at some point be back to the savage Hulk again. 

Oh, and who shot Banner?  One of the scientists who worked for Doc Green.  She was hired by Betty Ross to do it, because Betty works for some secret organization that works to prevent world-ending events and Hulk's name came up as a catalyst for an event.  LOLWUT

One interesting thing about this storyline is that Doc Green dreams of a future where he's become evil and has killed all the super heroes.  He is very clearly depicted...as the Maestro.   :o

Lastly, what about poor Lyra?  Well, the last two scientists working for Doc Green decide to go find and rescue her themselves in a back-up story at the end of Hulk #16.  This is made very comical and it turns out that the dimension Lyra was in is inhabited by various anthropomorphic beast-men.  The tentacle monster is actually a female Shuma Gorath-looking thing who is intelligent and kind of a nice person.  Lyra dominated the beast men and became their queen.  She has a harem of beast men who she fucks on the regular  :yuck and is quite happy.  The scientists' have a fail safe device to take them back to Earth and Lyra is taken with them.  She then makes them work for her and wear little thongs while working on a way to return her to that dimension and holy shit glad this is over and it's time for Secret Wars.
 :dizzy

Also Superior Iron Man ended...with kind of a wimper.  I blame Secret Wars for the shitty way they ended things (Tony remains an inverted asshole HEY SECRET WARS SO WHO CARES).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 09:08:34 AM
And this was really just an extensively dumb way to end and then reboot the Earth 2 series. I'll have to look at Batman Beyond to see if Futures End's plotline is actually going to go anywhere. I really liked the start of that...and Earth 2...before they went all silly. I can't imagine the readership on Earth 2 was large enough to make them the central characters in Convergence, but maybe it was?

They did have two Earth 2 books for a while, so maybe it was that popular?

Earth 2 ended so badly that I'm happy to see them starting over.  Of course, the series itself changed considerably after the first creative team left the book after a year or so.  It definitely started off much, much better than how it ended.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 12:43:24 PM
Marvel Comics' reboot will bring all-new characters, No. 1s across the board (http://mashable.com/2015/06/04/marvel-comics-reboot/)

(http://rack.0.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA2LzA0L2EyL0FOQURNYXJ2ZWwxLmRlZjk1LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/ce5f7809/aa7/ANADMarvel1_June4-2.jpg)

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"The all-new Hulk ... this character is certain to cause debate," he said. "The same people who went crazy with female Thor will have a field day with this one."

There's also an entirely new Spider-Man. Alonso wouldn't say much more, but hinted that there may be more than one (and the image above would certainly confirm that).

"Will there be enough room for him and Peter Parker? Read and find out," Alonso said, adding: "Wolverine will return to the Marvel Universe (again, this will be something big). Who is Wolverine? You’ll have to read and find out."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2015, 01:39:06 PM
That Iron Man design is uggo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 04, 2015, 01:50:17 PM
Marvel's New 55
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on June 04, 2015, 02:11:30 PM
why does the article call it a reboot, when they state that the history isnt changing?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 03:13:09 PM
why does the article call it a reboot, when they state that the history isnt changing?

Because it's still a 'reboot' regardless.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Supermanisdead on June 04, 2015, 03:43:33 PM
marvel stays snuffing out the xmen. even wolvie cant make it on the banner. apologists where are u now???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 04:04:22 PM
marvel stays snuffing out the xmen. even wolvie cant make it on the banner. apologists where are u now???

They said the plan was to throw the X-Men away by shuffling them to some garbage reality all by themselves give them their own 'universe' separate from the rest of the Marvel U.  It's weird to me that Marvel is trying so hard to shit all over the X characters but has let Hickman make Doom and Reed Richards central figures in all these recent big storylines, despite canceling FF out of spite for the new movie.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 04:17:36 PM
I wonder if that dumb-looking Iron Man armor has someone else in it?  Can't be the same 616 Tony Stark.

And now another Hulk?  Why do they keep remaking the same characters instead of just creating new ones?   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on June 04, 2015, 07:35:41 PM
why does the article call it a reboot, when they state that the history isnt changing?

Because it's still a 'reboot' regardless.   :lol

if the history still stands, i dont see how its a reboot, unless by reboot you mean in the sense of like going from AoA to to 616.

marvel stays snuffing out the xmen. even wolvie cant make it on the banner. apologists where are u now???

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cosmic bound thing, two wolverines, and that bad ass citizen V costume
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on June 04, 2015, 09:50:21 PM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2015, 10:08:36 PM
Is that real?  So they're gonna go with Old Man Logan as the "returning" Wolverine and give X-23 his costume?  Weird.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Pickles the Firecat on June 05, 2015, 12:21:14 AM
Marvel has hated the X-Men as a franchise since way before the MCU. This doesn't feel like the shaft though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on June 05, 2015, 12:24:27 PM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 07, 2015, 02:36:36 AM
Marvel has hated the X-Men as a franchise since way before the MCU. This doesn't feel like the shaft though.
How and why? What makes you say that?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yulwei on June 07, 2015, 04:22:32 AM
Rereading The Planetary atm. It's so damn good and I wish there was more stuff like this out there.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Eel O'Brian on June 08, 2015, 08:03:24 PM
http://comicsalliance.com/russ-heaths-comic-about-being-ripped-off-by-roy-lichtenstein-will-give-you-a-new-appreciation-for-the-hero-initiative/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on June 09, 2015, 02:39:37 AM
Rereading The Planetary atm. It's so damn good and I wish there was more stuff like this out there.

its really good, and i fear that its gonna catch fire through a movie and DC is gonna decide to take a dip into the source and fuck with it watchmen style
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 10, 2015, 10:17:46 PM
"New" Superman - Am pleasantly surprised by this character change so far.  I usually find Superman kind of boring, but his identity being outed and his power levels drastically-decreasing are making for an interesting twist on the character.  I didn't read the comics leading up to this change, so I'm not sure why he's lost so much of his power, how his identity was found, and why he's locked out of his fortress of solitude.  I expect the latter to be how he ends up getting his powers restored later on.  Also wondering why Supergirl hasn't been involved in any of this.  Kind of would have expected the status quo to change and DC to make her step up and become the all-powerful superhero taking charge.

New Batman - Also pleasantly surprised by this.  Batman #41 had a good pace, showing how Gordon ended up becoming Mobile Police Batman and he and the other supporting characters are in the armored suit's cheesiness, even mentioning how it totally looks like a "bat-rabbit costume."  Both Superman and Gordon also met at the end of this month's Batman-Superman comic.

Earth 2 Society - The follow-up to Convergence.  The Earth 2 crew are now on their restored "clone earth" and new cities have been constructed from the wreckage of the giant ships that the population came to the planet in.  This issue focuses on Batman, who is now Dick Grayson.  I'm not a fan of the yellows being used on the costume, but the trenchcoat-cape fusion is kind of cool.  Dick lost control of his legs in Convergence so I assume that the suit he's wearing lets him walk and has other stuff built-in.  Still wondering how someone who was supposed to have been an average-joe type previously is now a superhero, though.  He had no training.  They'll probably just ignore that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2015, 05:20:32 AM
Yeah, everything has been better than I expected so far. They really took advantage to try some new concepts out post-Convergence.

But the main reason I came in here was to post that I just found out Charmed has a "new seasons" series of comics like Buffy/Angel. This amuses me greatly.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 26, 2015, 08:12:07 AM
Man, that Bendis era Daredevil arc around issue 24-30something (1998-2011 run) about Daredevil's identity was seriously GOOD.  Amazing art, amazing writing, super page turner compelling. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2015, 02:05:39 PM
Been reading a random assortment of stuff recently:

Jem and the Holograms 1-4 - It's actually, surprisingly, really good, with a very bright color palette, a lighthearted emphasis that avoids the extreme goofiness of the original series, and occasional breaks for psychedelic full-page spreads during the musical performance segments. The first volume rushed the introduction of Synergy a bit too much, but it's slowed down since then and given space for the characters to interact, allow for a bit of character development to set each of them apart. I think most people would probably find enjoyment even without having any prior knowledge of it, and if you do have any prior connection to the franchise it's probably a better modern alternative than that live-action movie.

Kaptara 1-3 - Some human astronauts get sucked through a dimensional rift of some kind and end up on some totally insane alien world. The story itself isn't overly amazing, but it's got a looseness to its dialog that makes it a brisk, amusing read. The main draw, though, is the drug-induced nightmare art and the overall just sheer insanity of everything that happens. The third volume has the protagonists being captured by a village of MRA internet trolls which the comics goes out of its way to treat with the utmost contempt.

Darth Vader 1-7 - Remember when Darth Vader was cool? That's basically what this miniseries is all about, and it's does a very good job of being an antidote to the awful of teenage Anakin in the prequel movies. Vader chases after his estranged son with the help of two psycho droids and an Asian chick, for some reason, while plotting behind the Emperor's back. The art's nice and detailed, but it sometimes feels like it moves through events and from one event to another a bit too quickly, more like a highlight reel for a movie than the actual movie itself. Anybody with nostalgia for the old Star Wars movies should pick it up, definitely.

Descender 1-4 - Really love the art in this one, like a kind of very detailed watercolor painting applied over rough sketches [it works, though, in creating a very unique look]. Good story, too, about these massive robots appearing out of nowhere and nearly wiping out humanity in a matter of minutes. Still early on in the series, from what I can tell, but it's one that I'll stick with.

I also picked up the first volume of the new Barb Wire series. :heh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2015, 06:58:42 PM
I'm guessing that this is from the Darth Vader comic you mentioned:

https://imgur.com/gallery/VSRKX

This is pretty great! It makes more sense than the way things are presented in the movies.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 07, 2015, 08:41:23 PM
Yeah, the movies never really touched on how Vader knew that Luke was his son, other than just inferring that he felt the Force connection between them. Of course, without doing a flashback later, it would have ruined the big reveal.

I'd say that overall it isn't necessarily a great comic or anything, but I like that expands on plot threads that didn't get much focus in the movies and adds some nice POV details.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 07, 2015, 10:23:17 PM
just bought the first three volumes of Ms. Marvel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 09, 2015, 02:42:40 AM
Alias :rock This was damn good.  Best comedy series I've read in a while.  Felt like Kevin Smith's Clerks if instead of Clerks they were PIs.  I really, really hope they don't fuck the Netflix show up.  Comic is 24 issues of hilarious dark comedy filled with FUCK FUCK SHIT cursing every other word and then like 4 issues of a single serious plot arc at the end to conclude it.  If they make the Netflix show about the one serious plot arc (which they are covering) and make it a super serious "dark" and "gritty" show trying to be like Daredevil... :duh would be completely missing the tone and point of Jessica Jones' character.  Fingers crossed they know what they're doing.

X-Statix - Peter Milligan's X-Statix was a solid parody/satire of the glamerous super hero genre.  I really didn't like the art style which made it take a half-dozen issues to really get me on board (the characters and the art is pretty ugly), but once I got in the groove, I appreciated a lot of the humor and plays on tropes.  Stuff like EL GUAPO the skateboarding superhero and main characters dying permanently left and right was all pretty great.  Hell, the commentary on racial diversity, sexisms, violence and fanboy-ism were fairly legit stuff.  Plus it introduced DOOP and DOOP is awesome.  The arc against the Avengers poking fun at how Avengers are basically the mainstream frat boys of the MCU was good.  Was sad to see it go at the end of the run, though I hear the 2006 Dead Girl mini-series revives it a bit.  Still, would have liked to see more of the characters survive into the MCU besides just DOOP.

Otherwise still working through Bendis' Daredevil which is super super good.  After Bendis Daredevil and Alias I love Bendis' down to earth street level writing.   

Also reading stuff from the early 2000s like Alias and X-Statix where they're really trying their hardest to bring something different to Marvel and make it a little more high brow and critical of its own base gives me a lot of hope for Marvel Comics.  Though as I get further into catching up, I'll see how much of this stuff survives to modern day Marvel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 09, 2015, 09:53:18 AM
Secret Wars #4 - Felt really short. Still loving the hell out of God Emperor Doom. Wish we could get like a year of this.

Really hoping
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Yeah.  I really wish this event was at least a year long.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 13, 2015, 12:41:50 AM
Batman #42
Superheavy: Part 2

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"Bruce Wayne" is "back." Don't know if it's really him or some kind of doppleganger (they had Hush pretend to be Bruce to keep Wayne Corp. business afloat during Batman RIP.)

Bruce choosing to give up being Batman goes against a central tenet of the character. Don't know how I feel about this. Snyder might be losing his touch.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 13, 2015, 08:36:17 AM
Not the first time that Bruce Wayne has stopped being Batman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 13, 2015, 12:22:02 PM
If I had to place bets, I'd say he has amnesia. We'll see.

I don't get the point of Snyder trying to build an entirely new status quo, and doing a decent job of it, only to undermine it from the start (Bruce was at the end of the first "Gordon as Batman" issue.) Seriously, what's the point? An easy escape button?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 13, 2015, 12:29:57 PM
If I had to place bets, I'd say he has amnesia. We'll see.

I don't get the point of Snyder trying to build an entirely new status quo, and doing a decent job of it, only to undermine it from the start (Bruce was at the end of the first "Gordon as Batman" issue.) Seriously, what's the point? An easy escape button?

I haven't read it yet, but I skimmed the issue and looked at the ending-- they call him "Mr. Wayne" so I doubt it's an amnesia angle, unless you mean everyone knows who he is but he doesn't remember being Batman or whatever.

I still find it odd that they made Gordon Batman.  Or rather that they changed up his appearance like that.  It's like they're trying too hard to make him younger.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 13, 2015, 12:40:37 PM
Yeah I dunno. I can't see this lasting more than another year. State-funded Gordon robo-Bat-cop? I'm all for trying new things but I can easily see sales tanking when casual Bat-fans pick up an issue and go "WTF is this shit?"

I meant amnesia about being Batman at all.

Alfred has been conspicuously absent through all this, too.

Also, in the last issue of Grayson they played it like Dick didn't know Bruce was alive at all. Plot hole!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2015, 01:48:54 PM
http://imgur.com/a/EPAyB (Justice League #42)

Geoff...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 15, 2015, 02:53:11 PM
I read Grant Morrison's Nameless #1 - 4. It's p. cool, it's like Armageddon + At the Mountains of Madness. It's about this occult expert named "Nameless" (he forfeited his name to prevent anyone from using his true name to gain power over him) who gets recruited by this Gazillionaire techie who's mounting a mission to stop this extinction-level asteroid from colliding from Earth. The asteroid has a three-mile wide occult symbol carved into and is broadcasting a message in a celestial language basically saying "Get rekt, humanity". Bad stuff ensues, reality starts to get all wibbly-wobbly, and somehow it all ties back to a classified government project that Nameless was involved in called Razor House.

The art has this weird style varies from cartoonish to grotesque, but it's really effective.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 15, 2015, 03:57:56 PM
http://imgur.com/a/EPAyB (Justice League #42)

Geoff...

DA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA

BAT-GOD!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 15, 2015, 06:17:14 PM
Read Grant Morrison's Fantastic Four 1234.  I've realized at this point I just don't like Grant Morrison's comics.  At least not his takes on Marvel characters.  The pacing always feels bad, the plots border on nonsensical and half the characters are unlikeable dicks (see: 2001's Marvel Boy).  I appreciate all the new stuff he brought to the New X-men refresh he did, but otherwise when I pick up a comic and it's written by Morrison I know to keep expectations low.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 16, 2015, 08:33:37 AM
Where Monsters Dwell: Am still trying to figure out what the hell this has to do with Secret Wars.  The original comic series was a horror anthology that Marvel released in the 1970s, with various monsters and the like.  This comic has a 1920s setting and the characters journey to a Savage Land-like setting with dinosaurs.  No real "monsters" to be found as of issue three.  No real references to Battleworld or Doom either, for that-- the main character even yells "Jesus Christ!!" (Should have been Doom's name) at one point.  :lol 

The story so far is that main character Karl Kaufmann -a British WW1 airforce veteran and not the nazi party member...bad choice of naming there, Mr. Ennis- is hired by Clemmie Franklin-Cox to fly her somewhere, but they get lost in a thunderstorm and wind up in a savage world, fighting off dinosaurs.  Karl is immediately shown to be a womanizing asshole and tries to put the movies on Clemmie, who rejects him.  They then get captured by a group of half-naked Shanna The She-Devil-lookalikes (and surprise, surprise- Frank Cho is doing the covers  :lol) and Clemmie eagerly sheds her clothes for a leopard bikini and joins the tribe...because she also likes the ladies, you see, and figures there's no way they'll ever get home.  There's no men in the tribe and this is because they kill most of the men who come around and keep a few locked up, to masturbate for their seed.  The latest issue ends with our hero being stripped naked and brought before a tiny chopping block, meant to be used to cut off his junk.  Yes, I'm serious.  This is the plot of a Secret Wars comic called "Where Monsters Dwell."   :lol

(http://i.imgur.com/hyVnfpZ.jpg)

Read Grant Morrison's Fantastic Four 1234.  I've realized at this point I just don't like Grant Morrison's comics.  At least not his takes on Marvel characters.  The pacing always feels bad, the plots border on nonsensical and half the characters are unlikeable dicks (see: 2001's Marvel Boy).  I appreciate all the new stuff he brought to the New X-men refresh he did, but otherwise when I pick up a comic and it's written by Morrison I know to keep expectations low.

Not a big fan of his work, either.  I still have never liked New X-Men.  Frank Quietly's art is also just  :yuck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 16, 2015, 09:18:35 AM
I feel like Marvel is using the "Secret Wars" label to try to wring some extra sales out of some otherwise obscure comics that few people actually care about.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 16, 2015, 09:29:27 AM
I feel like Marvel is using the "Secret Wars" label to try to wring some extra sales out of some otherwise obscure comics that few people actually care about.

I think this is the only book that has pretty much zero connection to the rest of the event, though.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on July 16, 2015, 11:11:53 AM
I feel like Marvel is using the "Secret Wars" label to try to wring some extra sales out of some otherwise obscure comics that few people actually care about.

I think this is the only book that has pretty much zero connection to the rest of the event, though.

where does it even take place?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Supermanisdead on July 17, 2015, 12:57:06 AM
last issue of hawkeye  :'( whens the omnibus  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 17, 2015, 01:13:20 AM
I actually just ordered the first Hawkeye volume because I heard it was ending.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 17, 2015, 12:09:30 PM
Captain Britain And The Mighty Defenders: I feel like talking in-depth about this one will spoil everything.  What's interesting about this book in particular is that most of the characters in the story are actually aware that they are living in a merged world and have memories of their previous realities.  It even opens with this version of Iron Man remembering the incursion event on his Earth from before Secret Wars even started!  This is also the first time that they've shown a different kind of Thor in Secret Wars.  The She-Hulk in this book is actually Doom's designated Thor.  No Thor costume, same She-Hulk character/attitude, sides with the people instead of Doom, and has a little gavel instead of a hammer.   :lol  Their enemies are the neighboring Battleworld zone, which is Mondo, AKA the Marvel Comics version of Judge Dredd.  Boss Cage returns!

Hail Hydra: Also interesting in that this may be the 616 version of Nomad (this version of Nomad is Steve Rogers' adopted son and Arnheim Zola's (sp) biological son from another dimension), who survived the incursion after hopping into some sort of dimensional elevator (I assume if this is true that this happened in the All-New Captain America series, which I didn't read) and is now in a Battleworld zone where Hydra has taken over everything and has essentially been in charge for decades.

I feel like Marvel is using the "Secret Wars" label to try to wring some extra sales out of some otherwise obscure comics that few people actually care about.

I think this is the only book that has pretty much zero connection to the rest of the event, though.

where does it even take place?

No idea if it stated where.  The jungle island they go to is in parts unknown and flashbacks show various groups of people, from all over the world, encountering the amazon trible throughout history.  The tribe is also originally from a Scandinavian country IIRC.  Basically just more stuff that makes it completely unrelated to Secret Wars.  Unless some big reveal is going to happen, I don't understand why they even slapped the Secret Wars logo on these comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 17, 2015, 02:54:59 PM
Aren't some of the Secret Wars spinoffs just basically supposed to be potential new storylines in the post-Secret War "All-New, All-Different™" Marvel Universe?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 17, 2015, 03:05:12 PM
Aren't some of the Secret Wars spinoffs just basically supposed to be potential new storylines in the post-Secret War "All-New, All-Different™" Marvel Universe?

As far as I know, nope.  They're all self-contained stories with certain characters/teams "surviving" the event and being integrated into the Marvel Universe afterwards, like Old Man Logan and Ultimate Spider-Man.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on July 17, 2015, 05:38:35 PM

Hail Hydra: Also interesting in that this may be the 616 version of Nomad (this version of Nomad is Steve Rogers' adopted son and Arnheim Zola's (sp) biological son from another dimension), who survived the incursion after hopping into some sort of dimensional elevator (I assume if this is true that this happened in the All-New Captain America series, which I didn't read) and is now in a Battleworld zone where Hydra has taken over everything and has essentially been in charge for decades.

it was an interesting arc. totally redeemed the ass that was sam in axis. if that is ian, i would love to know how the infinite elevator works without a multiverse

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No idea if it stated where.  The jungle island they go to is in parts unknown and flashbacks show various groups of people, from all over the world, encountering the amazon trible throughout history.  The tribe is also originally from a Scandinavian country IIRC.  Basically just more stuff that makes it completely unrelated to Secret Wars.  Unless some big reveal is going to happen, I don't understand why they even slapped the Secret Wars logo on these comics.

i was honestly expecting more fight to survive antics or fighting in the savage lands from the covers, but instead, i got unfunny jokes and lame plots. i assume secret wars name is attached because these characters are going to make appearances after this event is over.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 20, 2015, 01:48:34 AM
Reading a bunch of stuff that I'm not sure how much I'm going to stick with:

Exiles - Is there any point in reading this?  It's a bunch of alternative world mini-stories that don't really mean anything in the Marvel Universe scheme of things, and feature a bunch of D-list characters and runs for like 100 issues.  Plus the art is that ugly 90s X-related things art.  Got through like 7 issues and was skimming by then, the marvel reading order guide says to read like 50 issues of this stuff, but I'm ready to bail.

Emma Stone 1-18 - Her origin story spin-off.  Was fine and enjoyable but wish it went further into her character background.

Wolverine: Origin - Was fine, I'd already seen a short hand recap of this in one of the other comics I read, but this fleshed out original version was entertaining enough.

Wolverine 162-166 - Story about the re-start of the Weapon X program under The Director.  Was ok.  Best part was this Shiver Man character who seems pretty cool.
 
Weapon X - Following the above wolverine arc, comes this spin-off about the restarted Weapon X program.  Like Exiles, it's another series about a bunch of D-list mutants with 90s X-related art (slightly better art than Exiles).  At least the writing seems a little more engaging.  There's 28 issues of this, dunno about it. 

Agent X - Still bad art, a little more goofy, only read the first issue.  High point is Taskmaster being a goofy Casey Jones kind of hoodie + skeleton mask character.  Not sure about this either.

I'm starting to feel like anything Mutant related in the early 2000s outside of Morrison's new X-men was pretty trash.  And coming from reading Bendis stuff like Daredevil/Alias and Peter Milligan's satire in X-force/X-statix just makes all these comics seem even worse.  Not sure if I'll stick with any of them.

Next up in the reading order list after all these mutant comics is jumping midway into the Amazing Spiderman from the 2001 re-numbering at #1.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 01:57:42 AM
Exiles - Is there any point in reading this?  It's a bunch of alternative world mini-stories that don't really mean anything in the Marvel Universe scheme of things, and feature a bunch of D-list characters and runs for like 100 issues.  Plus the art is that ugly 90s X-related things art.  Got through like 7 issues and was skimming by then, the marvel reading order guide says to read like 50 issues of this stuff, but I'm ready to bail.
This is one of my favorite series of all time, for whatever that's worth.

But I love mysteries and the mystery of the Timebroker worked for me. And the dimension hopping always was amusing for me as I like alternate takes on mainstream timelines. And the book was willing to kill off characters after establishing them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on July 20, 2015, 02:16:41 AM
I quite enjoyed Exiles too but ymmv
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 20, 2015, 02:20:21 AM
Ok, I'll keep with it and see if it grows on me.  The first few arcs have been ok, it's just hard for me to get invested since each "world" they go to only last 2-3 issues.  Plus not having followed a ton of late 90s X-men, I don't really know any of these characters besides Blink from the Days of Future Past Movie.  Morph is sort of ok with the comedy, but it's really overkill and he has to make a slapstick joke every panel he's in.  And I'm just not a fan of the art style.  I like the more subdued colors, more realistic comic art style that I've seen in stuff like Bendis Daredevil/Alias and 2006 Iron Fist, 2012 Uncanny X-Force.  The bright and colorful 90s X-men look turns me off of stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2015, 02:23:36 AM
It becomes far less about being invested in each world, than in the Exiles themselves. That's actually a plotline that runs throughout and a difficulty some of the characters face. Especially when some of the "tasks" become morally questionable.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 21, 2015, 12:01:40 PM
Exiles is really just another take on "What If," only with a constantly-changing team of characters running around interacting with the alternate realities.  I thought it was a fun series overall and read through the whole thing.  It gets better later on after Chris Claremont takes over the writing duties, IMO, although it also becomes a lot more "X-Men" than it was before-- 616 Psylocke is brought in as one of the new main characters with AOA Sabertooth...no more Blink/Mimic as the leads.  The series got a follow-up that was around 16 issues, also written by Claremont, although I never did read it and need to see if it's worth it.  Then there was another six issue series after that which wasn't popular at all and was the end of everything.  I guess X-Treme X-Men (the second series with Dazzler as the main character) is also kind of a follow-up series as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on August 06, 2015, 10:52:11 PM
This is going to be a weirdo post, but after reading a year of Marvel Unlimited (can't believe it's already been a year!) and literally thousands of issues across probably half a hundred series as I trek through the entire Marvel catalog from 1999-2016, I finally got to Amazing Spiderman and I figured "man, whenever I get to Spiderman, that's going to be some good stuff", but now that I've read Revenge of the Green Goblin (3 issue series that came out around 2000 along with 2 tie-ins in Amazing #25 and Peter Parker #25), Amazing Spiderman #30-40 (the start of J. Michael Straczynski's run), Peter Parker Spiderman #44-47 (Green Goblin cont'd)....I'm finding it really...boring?  Like to the point where I'm just kind of skimming the issues like I do when I read uninteresting series. 

It's like unlike other superheroes where there's team dynamics, or stuff like Bendis' Daredevil where there are these major character changing arcs, what I'm reading so far in Spiderman is just I dunno, it's hard to explain it.  Things are happening in his story arc, but it's like "Oh wow, Peter Parker becomes a school teacher!" and it's like...who cares?  And then the big twist of "Aunt May finds out Peter Parker is Spiderman!", but again, like ok, that means very little to me with my general Spiderman knowledge from the 90s, movies, cartoons and videogames.  Green Goblin comes back!  Ok, but these villians always keep coming back in Marvel.  I mean, the stories just don't seem particularly interesting and Spiderman doesn't really seem like a character that is growing at this era in time since he's past all his origin growth and now he just gets involved with weirdo enemies and gets beat up a little and then beats them up. 

See I really like Spiderman as a character overall, and his villians are fun to fight against in videogames and see in movies, and he's a great support cameo when he shows up in other comics like Bendis' Daredevil.  But the actual Amazing Spiderman series around this 1999/2000/2001 era time so far is kind of super dull.  I've still got through issue #58 to get through before moving on to the next series in the marvel reading order, so maybe it'll pick up, but I'm just kind of surprisingly let down that Spiderman's main series isn't really, really good with interesting stories where I'm jumping in on. 

Doesn't help that art in some of the stuff is iffy like Peter Parker Spiderman #44-47 with super cartoony art style while trying to do a serious fight to the death Green Goblin tale.  Also the whole weird ass Spiderman continuity where stories jump between the various Spiderman series is a bit annoying.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 07, 2015, 08:08:14 AM
I didn't bother with Spider-Man from that time period.  I did get a TPB for "The Other" storyline and found it pretty stupid.  I know there's a lot of people who don't care for Dan Slott as the writer, but when I did get back into Spider-Man a few years ago, I found myself actually enjoying it again like I used to before things got dumb in the mid-90s.

Most of the stuff that happens in what you're reading all gets retconned out with the whole "One More Day" thing, IIRC.  When I started reading again, Peter worked for Horizon Labs, was not married to Mary Jane, and Aunt May didn't know he was Spider-Man.  There's also a point a couple of years after what you're reading where Spider-Man reveals his identity to the world, in one of the Avengers comics, IIRC.  This also gets erased with One More Day.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on August 07, 2015, 03:59:39 PM
Reading a bunch of stuff that I'm not sure how much I'm going to stick with:

Emma Stone 1-18 - Her origin story spin-off.  Was fine and enjoyable but wish it went further into her character background.


did you mean Emma Frost :itagaki
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 07, 2015, 04:09:55 PM
I'd read an Emma Stone origin story.  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on August 07, 2015, 07:44:35 PM
I didn't bother with Spider-Man from that time period.  I did get a TPB for "The Other" storyline and found it pretty stupid.  I know there's a lot of people who don't care for Dan Slott as the writer, but when I did get back into Spider-Man a few years ago, I found myself actually enjoying it again like I used to before things got dumb in the mid-90s.

Most of the stuff that happens in what you're reading all gets retconned out with the whole "One More Day" thing, IIRC.  When I started reading again, Peter worked for Horizon Labs, was not married to Mary Jane, and Aunt May didn't know he was Spider-Man.  There's also a point a couple of years after what you're reading where Spider-Man reveals his identity to the world, in one of the Avengers comics, IIRC.  This also gets erased with One More Day.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 09, 2015, 06:15:07 PM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2015, 12:34:18 PM
Batman #43

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When the cave collapsed on Bruce and Joker it was also on a pool of Miracle Gro™ which brought Bruce back... but "not back." He's basically a completely different person since his brain was dead for hours.

Which means there's an easy way for Joker to come back too.
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COMICS

 :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2015, 12:41:00 PM
Just got done reading.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Before Bruce "died" he started work on a "brain remapper" that will put all his memories and training into a new body.

HOW CONVENIENT
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:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 12, 2015, 02:34:37 PM
Didn't the same thing happen in Iron Man?   :lol  Superior Spider-Man, in a sense, too.  LOL DC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 12, 2015, 02:41:42 PM
Snyder's really tossing a lot of his credibility down the drain. The only explanation I have is that DC mandated him to have an out for Bruce being alive.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Human Snorenado on August 13, 2015, 12:54:58 AM
...does anyone in here read shit like Saga and the new Airboy limited series or is it just a bunch of nerding out over the same tired fucking spandex shit that's been written over and over again for forever? Cause I like comics but am over superhero bullshit. Anyone else or am I alone in this? I will scurry out of here and leave y'all alone but was just curious if anyone else is into non-superhero stuff. Would be cool to have someone to discuss it with is all.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 13, 2015, 01:02:09 AM
I read Saga and some others occasionally.

Variety and all that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 13, 2015, 01:28:42 AM
Yes. I read Saga.

I also read:

East of West-A sort of biblical apocalyptic future western story about many characters such as Death of the Four Horsemen.

Velvet-What if Ms. Moneypenny was a spy much better than James Bond?

Nowhere Men-The Beatles as scientist plus other strange shit.

Copperhead-A single mother is the sheriff on a backwater Alien planet. Obviously a western.

Fatale-A Cthulhu noir tale.

The Fade Out-Murder mystery in Hollywood. Noir.

Lazarus- Set in a world of corporate feudalism. Lazarus' are biologically enhanced soldiers that serve as their family's enforcers.

Pretty Deadly-A poetic Amano looking western about Death's daughter.

Deadly Class-Kind of shitty story about teenager assassins in the 1980s doing cocaine and other alternative type stuff.

We Stand on Guard-America vs Canada.

The Wicked and The Divine-Our pop stars are actually reincarnated gods who die after two years.

Older things:

Sleeper-Set in the Wild Storm universe so kind of super heroish but not really. Dude's who's power is to transfer pain goes deep undercover into a super criminal organization. Is super nihilistic and really starts to lose his identity.

Y The Last Man-Yorrik is the last man on earth.

Gotham Central-It's the cops in Gotham. Just good cop stories in the Batman universe.


Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 13, 2015, 05:28:16 AM
Gotta pick up WicDev. Seems right up my alley.

Also liked Sleeper. Super dark.

Enjoyed the whole run of The Sword, but not Girls.

Cormacaroni gave me the two Parker hardcover TPBs and they are a fucking clinic on storytelling.

My name actually comes from Those Annoting Post Brothers' best heist story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on August 20, 2015, 07:52:49 PM
So DC is doing half page ads now?  :yuck

http://www.dailydot.com/geek/batman-dc-comics-advertising-scott-snyder-greg-capullo/

A new Deadpool cover parodies this trend
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Gazunta on August 20, 2015, 09:10:18 PM
Hey guys, if you like classic Archie or even stuff like old Harvey / Star Comics books, then maybe you'd like my new comic!

It's called Rose and it's about a girl who loves food and her family and food and her friends and food and animals and food and food and food.

24 pages of full colour, all ages good times for YOU!

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Would love to know what you think!

ALSO! If you can recommend me any local stores you think would be interested in carrying this kinda thing, I wanna know about 'em!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2015, 02:19:33 PM
Gazunta!  He comes maybe a once a year!  He shills!  He leaves!   :P

LOL-tastic Marvel cosplay covers:

http://www.newsarama.com/25631-marvel-cosplay-variants-announced-for-october.html
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 21, 2015, 02:58:15 PM
Those are...not good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: thisismyusername on August 21, 2015, 03:50:09 PM
Those are...not good.

I dunno, Jean(?) looks decent on the X-men cover. Some of the women look okay. Most of the men are stuffing their junk to make sure it doesn't pop-out on these photos and don't look good (Daredevil. :yuck )
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 22, 2015, 05:05:23 AM
I wasn't sure if I should post in the anime thread, TV shows thread, or this comics thread, but I'm here so:

Watched Avengers Confidential: Black Widow and Punisher, by the anime creators at Mad House. After the Animatrix, and the Batman: Gotham Knight Collection, and due to Disney's iron hand in controlling the MCU, I had unreasonably high hopes for this. It's really bad. It doesn't make much sense as a Marvel story, it plays more like an OVA for characters "we already love" from the comics, which is its largest problem. The mismatched, seemingly lazy combination of several straight-up CG objects like the SHIELD Helicarriers and security cameras jar miserably with some of the CG-enhanced movement on hand-painted cel objects, which look great. In general Mad House is relying too heavily on their trademark camera movement and Aeon Flux styled facial close-ups. Über-meh.

Gazunta!  He comes maybe a once a year!  He shills!  He leaves!   :P

LOL-tastic Marvel cosplay covers:

http://www.newsarama.com/25631-marvel-cosplay-variants-announced-for-october.html
Yeah, I had the same Gazunta reaction. But at least he's bringing creative fruits of his labors to show. It's not like Amazon Tony who loved us and left us.

And those cosplay covers -- it would have been nice if there had been some actual art direction on the photography. Those are all super sad; there are so many better cosplay photos out there, it is surprising they went for such mediocre composition.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Gazunta on August 22, 2015, 09:09:04 AM
I go through every thread and, because I don't really play anything or read anything or watch anything I feel like I have nothing to contribute ><
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 20, 2015, 08:26:41 AM
The left-wing marxists have taken over comics now. The latest Batman issue spreads the lieberal myths all about a black criminal being gunned down by the heroic GCPD.

Not even our traditional conservative cultural icons are safe.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2015, 08:38:30 AM
The left-wing marxists have taken over comics now. The latest Batman issue spreads the lieberal myths all about a black criminal being gunned down by the heroic GCPD.

Not even our traditional conservative cultural icons are safe.

Batman's a known homosexual and pederast, so this doesn't surprise me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 20, 2015, 12:21:34 PM
...does anyone in here read shit like Saga and the new Airboy limited series or is it just a bunch of nerding out over the same tired fucking spandex shit that's been written over and over again for forever? Cause I like comics but am over superhero bullshit. Anyone else or am I alone in this? I will scurry out of here and leave y'all alone but was just curious if anyone else is into non-superhero stuff. Would be cool to have someone to discuss it with is all.

Old post is old, but I read almost exclusively non-superhero comics from IDW, Image, Dynamite, and Aspen.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 20, 2015, 08:09:21 PM
Been reading Secret Wars stuff, Wrath?  Everything is a mini series with clear beginnings and endings.

A lot of the series have had some crappy endings, though.  Guardians Of Knowhere is the worst, with "DON'T MISS THE CONCLUSION IN SECRETS WARS AND THEN GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY #1 AFTER THAT!!"   :-\  Fortunately this was the only series like this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 08, 2015, 07:07:13 PM
Marvel isn't waiting on Secret Wars delays-- new post-SW comics came out this week.  I haven't read anything except for the All-New Point One comic, which takes place post-SW on a ruined Battleworld.  The Maestro is still around and will be a big villain, it seems.

Most of the SW mini series have had really bad endings.  Feels like they're rushing things along.  And there's still two more issues of SW left! 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on October 12, 2015, 10:44:24 PM
One of these days I'm going to do a write up on the hundreds of Marvel comics I read this year.  Finished 1999-2004 and started the 2005 post Avengers Disassembled era.

Just read Maddrox #1-5 by Peter David.  Was a great little modern noir tale.  I like these series like this and the 2003-ish Hawkeye, that take smaller characters and just give them one or two good street level stories.  And Peter David is one of my favorite writers at Marvel, especially when they let him do comedy.  His quirks and comic timing are great and clever and I'm always smirking.  He did a good job taking a character that no one really cares about like Multiple Man and making a good comic out of it.  I guess this series the prequel to X-Factor Investigations, so looking forward to that especially if Peter David is still writing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 12, 2015, 10:49:22 PM
Pretty sure David was on X-Factor Investigations and X-Factor (or was it New Mutants?) for a few years after that.  He also worked on Spider-Man 2099 when they brought the character back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on October 13, 2015, 02:05:25 AM
Peter David also writes some of the best Star Trek novelizations out there, so if you're into that, check them out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on October 13, 2015, 12:42:52 PM
I started reading Sex Criminals recently. It's fascinating
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 13, 2015, 01:23:52 PM
I started reading Sex Criminals recently. It's fascinating

Really enjoyed how it started, but it's starting to drag on too much now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 29, 2015, 04:33:54 AM
Read the first three books of The Massive, which I think is like 18-ish issues out of 30 total. It's kinda interesting and kinda dumb at the same time.

The overarching mystery was interesting until they went way off track into random shit, but the explanation of the global chaos kinda ruin the impact of it despite what the inside cover comments say. I think that should have been more "untold" or something, I'm trying to think of other titles that did this well. Y, The Last Man maybe since it's mentioned on this page. The Massive does a lot better when it's showing aspects of the world affected than it does when it takes two or four page spreads to describe say how exactly Eastern Europe fell into this horrible state.

Also, I don't think I'm liking the characters I'm supposed to like and vice versa.

It's also convenient how everyone on this cast off ship in a world of endless suffering and global chaos seems to not only have every single combination of necessary skills to survive but the ship never really encounters any clear resource issues. And despite visiting all these places where millions are dying from this and that, come out completely unscathed. And commonly makes trades using money, despite about fifteen characters describing how paper money is worthless now.

I'm so going to be disappointed in how this ends aren't I...just like The Unwritten. Only with like a third of the number of issues to make me regret it.

On a side note, I recently re-read The Sandman and then read all of Lucifer finally. I love how Lucifer becomes immediately untracked from its original premise and I love how the new TV adaption is even farther from what the comic is. But Mazikeen has been cast for it!

Injustice: Gods Among Us is so stupid fun, and better than the games plot. Speaking of games, I saw there's now an Assassin's Creed comic series. And a God of War one, though that may have been a miniseries or something.

The Darkseid War is some kind of crazy, robobats continues to suck and feels like it's being dragged out to meet some event down the road that's not hitting deadlines or something, but Batman & Robin Eternal seems fun enough and more interesting than Batman Eternal so far.

I think I've got a decent amount of old stuff to paw through too, The Authority maybe next. I read the New 52 Stormwatch. So I'll be going backwards, but whatever you're not the boss of me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 29, 2015, 08:46:35 AM
Started reading Invincible and got hooked on it pretty quickly.  I can't believe I never read this book before!  Really enjoying the characters and story and have read through several volumes.  Maybe I should finally check out the Walking Dead next.   :P

Agreed on Robo-Bunny-Batman.  The most interesting book from that arc has been an annual, which focused on the amnesiac Bruce Wayne dealing with several Batman villains in Wayne manor.  I'm ready for the real Batman to come back already.  I do still like the big change Superman has had, and don't really care about Wonder Woman.  Just don't care for her solo book and that new costume looks stupid.

I haven't read any Marvel stuff for this week yet apart from the last issue of Where Monsters Dwell, in which our "hero" has managed to escape from the lesbian-amazon women tribe and get the parts for his plane back, then as he is going to leave, our "heroine" appears, holds him at gunpoint, and re-iterates how she is a closest lesbian and a total bitch who married her deceased husband for his money and blah blah blah.  She lets him escape and he crashes and ends up on an island filled with literal shit, where the tribal woman he knocked up is waiting for him and what the fuck did this have anything to do with Marvel?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on October 29, 2015, 03:59:53 PM
 I haven't kept up (last issue I read was 70 something) but yea Invincible. It's superman meets seinen manga style ultraviolence which I can get behind.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 30, 2015, 07:49:08 PM
I should finally read more of that, I always seem to confuse it with The Invisibles for some odd reason. Just similar names I guess.

The Massive wasn't a disappointment, most likely because I prepared for it, but still ended with a hell of a dull thud.

There's something about books that seem like they've got an ending in mind when they started that they're writing towards but then it's like bleh, not really...compared to books that just admit "fuck no, there's no ending planned or any kind of answers" like The Walking Dead. :lol

That probably puts me off reading more works rather than sticking to compact storylines in established characters/books/universes. 100 Bullets wet fart will always make me overly cautious. Though I didn't mind Fables' end (most recent I can think of) because it was like a mercy-killing for the prior two arcs that seemed completely lost.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2015, 04:49:48 PM
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/paul-dini-revisits-his-traumatic-842031

Holy moley, this sounds amazing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 04, 2015, 03:29:01 PM
Secret Wars is feeling like an anticlimactic letdown. The last two issues have been pretty meh at best. Clearly there isn't enough time to do this story properly since Marvel wants to wrap things up and get All New, All Different going at full swing. It's a bit of a bummer since this is the culmination of more than two years of story, but whatever.

Definitely been a huge letdown.  Almost every tie-in miniseries had a pretty bad or mediocre anticlimactic ending, too.  Feels entirely too rushed, like Marvel just said "fuck it; let's go back to the regular universe already and forget about this now."

I think Marvel had no choice but to go ahead and proceed with their All New, All Different line, which is already in full swing.  They also released a parody book called "Secret Wars, Too" with a dumb story about the Marvel crew and how Hickman couldn't think of ending, causing delays and problems.  I don't think that was a joke...I think that's what really happened.   :doge

So we have some things coming out of Secret Wars that are currently unanswered, and lmao if they stay that way...because I don't think SW will explain it all:

1. Why are the Fantastic Four broken up?  The Torch is hanging out with the Inhumans (dating Medusa lolwtf) and the Thing is with the Guardians Of The Galaxy.  Reed and Sue are off somewhere and essentially MIA within the Marvel universe for the time being.

2. The Maker (Ultimate Reed Richards) remains in the 616 universe and is a big bad with his own secret organization.  How did he get all this set up?

3. Doom no longer has a scarred face, isn't the ruler of Latveria, and isn't even wearing armor anymore.  And he's acting like a good guy.   ???

4. Tony Stark is "poor" and has lost his company.  Or has he?  He seems to have lost a lot of money and has even sold off Avengers Tower, but then the most recent book mentions a Stark industries building in Tokyo and he still has 100001010010101 suits of armor.  Confusing.  I blame Bendis.

5. Since Stark is no longer Richie Rich, he isn't funding the Avengers.  Except you have billionaire Sunspot doing his own Avengers thing and Peter Parker is now mega-rich and hanging out with one of the now way-too-many-fucking-Avengers-teams. Even DEADPOOL is funding a team.  Yet Sam Wilson, the black Captain America, is down and out and has no funding.  :doge

6. Cyclops is dead.  Not the Phoenix-Cyclops who was killed right in the beginning of Secret Wars...regular post-SW Cyclops.  Unless I missed something, I don't remember this happening in any of the X books.  Meanwhile there is still the time-displaced younger Cyclops running around.

7. Mile Morales is now in 616 continuity, only with his own series not having started...we have no idea how he's living in his new universe.

8. Amadeus Cho is now a Hulk.  At least this book looks to show what happened to Bruce Banner and why he has this power.  So there's that.

9. If we go back a crossover series or two back to AXIS, you had Sabertooth, Iron Man, and Havok staying inverted.  AFAIK Sabertooth is still a good guy.  I have no idea about Havok.  He was seen essentially kidnapping The Wasp (his ex? wife) pre SW and then popped back up in X-Men seemingly as a good guy, with that whole subplot ignored.  And then the events leading up to SW ignored Iron Man being the bad guy and post-SW has him as a good guy, so that was also completely ignored.   :lol

Marvel is going the WWE route with the way they keep ignoring continuity. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2015, 03:39:00 PM
Superman: American Alien #1 by Max Landis was great. It's a pretty simple setup and story, but I love the characterizations of Clark, Pa Kent, and Lana. Really good art, too.

5 / 5
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 04, 2015, 03:55:27 PM
If you like the art in American Alien, you check out more of his stuff in "East of West" by Jonathan Hick and Nick Dragotta.

/shill

Secret Wars is feeling like an anticlimactic letdown. The last two issues have been pretty meh at best. Clearly there isn't enough time to do this story properly since Marvel wants to wrap things up and get All New, All Different going at full swing. It's a bit of a bummer since this is the culmination of more than two years of story, but whatever.

7. Mile Morales is now in 616 continuity, only with his own series not having started...we have no idea how he's living in his new universe.


I remember reading that his book comes out in February because it spoils the ending of Secret Wars.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Vizzys on December 06, 2015, 05:35:37 PM
was reading Providence by alan moore
its slow and interesting
issue 6 was ballsy as hell for a western comic though
read it and youll see what I mean
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2015, 08:26:27 PM
was reading Providence by alan moore
its slow and interesting
issue 6 was ballsy as hell for a western comic though
read it and youll see what I mean

I haven't read #6 yet, but I'm loving this series. It's so dense with Lovecraftian lore, I'd miss half the references if it wasn't for the annotation blog (https://factsprovidence.wordpress.com/).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2015, 03:08:30 AM
Hulk will be in space in the MCU though (in Thor: Ragnarok.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 06:56:20 AM
Planet Hulk is amazing, even with World War Hulk attached.

From this week I found out that...
There's a new Lucifer series picking up from the last one  :leon

Also a Earth One Teen Titans book came out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 07:12:49 AM
Ha, the Earth One Teen Titans sounds like it might be a DC version of Runaways. I loved that book.

Too bad the Earth One stuff takes forever to come out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 17, 2015, 02:03:44 PM
Ultimate End #5 finally came out.  I think that's the last of the Secret Wars mini series and all that's left now is the last issue of Secret Wars.

It also gives us a good idea of what's going to happen, although we knew this already from the end of the Old-Man Logan mini:

All the heroes from the Ultimate and '616' (although not really) battleworld team up and go after Doom.  Old-Man Logan included.

The following Ultimate universe characters are in the Marvel universe:

Ultimate Spider-Man (Miles)
The Maker (Ultimate [evil] Reed Richards)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Bombshell
Ganke (Miles' friend)
Miles' dad
Miles mom ( :o back alive...it's like a happy ending!)
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I kind of wish they'd also moved over Ultimate Black Widow, the female Peter Parker clone that is.  I know they already have enough Spider characters but it would have been fun to have her running around and bumping into Peter.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2015, 02:12:33 PM
Wait Teen Titans: Earth One #2 is out?? :hyper

I really liked that book last year. :lawd

Teen Titans: Earth One Vol. 1

This was my first Earth One graphic novel, and it got me wondering if Batman and Superman got such drastic reinterpretations of their origins in their Earth One books. To put it lightly, everything is reimagined here, and for the most part it works pretty well. I don't have an issue with the origin being such a departure, far from it. It feels fresh. But it also backs the book into a couple corners that were obviously hard to write out of.

Basically, the "teen titans" (never called such in-universe, and only alluded to by being apart of the "Titans Program") are a deliberately diverse set of youngsters who don't even know each other (other than Cyborg and Terra, who are dating) when the book starts. When they do get to know each other, they chafe and argue as is the cliche for teens. To be honest, I'm not sure if it was lazy writing to have them fighting amongst themselves so much, or an accurate reflection of normal teenagehood. Reflecting on my own teen years, I can't remember being so brazen, but I also didn't have to deal with superpowers popping up out of nowhere.

Yeah, this book takes more than a few cues from the X-Men. Which is probably just as well, since DC repurposed the Teen Titans to rip them off with New Teen Titans in the 80's.

The teens are essentially all set up to have the same, connected origin story, which reminds me of the way Hollywood usually goes about its adaptations of these things. It works but oftentimes feels like a shortcut, a way of introducing all of them, showing how unique each character is, and bringing them all together in the same book. I can't blame them for that. However, I will blame the writers for some eyeroll-worthy plot contrivances (the main one being Starfire not only causing all their powers to activate at the same time, but directing them all to her telepathically since she's imprisoned Superman-during-Flashpoint-style.)

I was reading the IGN review for this and they seemed to say the only negative was how Deathstroke is portrayed, but I disagree. Like the rest of the book, I think it's a fresh and interesting take on the character. All these characters are. They come off a little like a grab-bag of politically-correct new-age character templates (this one's the one with the drunk parent, this one's the one with the gay dads, etc.) but I won't fault it for that since this book is aimed at kids/teens and I know how happy it is to see someone you feel represents you in a major book like this.

The book sets up quite a bit of dangling threads, like the "Blackfire initiative," Raven joining up with the main team, Starfire's entire character, and a vision-wall of potential future team mates (including, curiously, a bat symbol.) But mostly I want to see the team become a team. The characters here don't actually ever end up becoming a "team" or doing anything heroic. They haven't earned the book's namesake yet. If Volume 2 accomplished anything, that's the bare minimum.

3 / 5
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 17, 2015, 05:24:54 PM
I don't get how they're going to take out Doom, even with everyone combined. He's more powerful than The Living Tribunal in his world and has already one-shotted a cosmic tier character and Thanos. Plus it doesn't seem like he can be physically harmed by any means. I'm betting he realizes that his world is deeply flawed and abdicates his power.

Squirrel Girl defeated Thanos too, so maybe they could get her help.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2015, 07:54:52 PM
Wait Teen Titans: Earth One #2 is out?? :hyper

I really liked that book last year. :lawd
Oh, no, sorry. I just came across it, didn't know it was from last year.

I liked Batman and Superman: Earth One quite a bit, Batman maybe a bit more but I thought both were good.  :yeshrug

At the rate they come out Teen Titans #2 is probably 2017 or something. 2016 has a number "scheduled" though:
Quote
Wonder Woman: Earth One
Volume One (April 2016, story by Grant Morrison and art by Yanick Paquette, hardcover ISBN 978-1401229788)

Aquaman: Earth One
Volume One (2016, story and art by Francis Manapul)

The Flash: Earth One
Volume One (2016, story by J. Michael Straczynski)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 17, 2015, 11:03:39 PM
Another thing that gets to me about the power Secret Wars Marvel Universe: The younger original X-Men who came forward in time.  Why are they still around?  Are we never going to get an explanation as to why they can't go back in time?

And then there's the Inhumans.  Sorry, Marvel.  They're never going to be the X-Men, no matter how hard you try.

I don't get how they're going to take out Doom, even with everyone combined. He's more powerful than The Living Tribunal in his world and has already one-shotted a cosmic tier character and Thanos. Plus it doesn't seem like he can be physically harmed by any means. I'm betting he realizes that his world is deeply flawed and abdicates his power.

Doom doesn't have all the real power. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
There's also Owen Reece, the Molecule Man.  I'm sure something happens with him to cause Doom's downfall.  It can't just be all the heroes charging Castle Doom that does much of anything.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on January 01, 2016, 05:02:20 PM
Just finished reading Dan Slott's 4 issue + Christmas special Great Lakes Avengers.  That was great, reminded me a lot of Peter Milligan's X-Statix.  I really dig these satire takes on superhero comics and how dumb a lot of it is.  Squirrel Girl is great and really like Doorman too.  Some great comic moments "btw Doc, what are you a doctor of anyway?", "Stuff".

Looking forward to more GLA in the future.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Phoenix Dark on January 09, 2016, 12:08:34 AM
http://www.eruditorumpress.com/blog/i-cant-fight-for-gods-sake-i-cant-fight-anymore-the-last-war-in-albion-book-two-part-twenty-two-alan-moore/

latest entry in a pretty good series of articles on Alan Moore (and other things).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on January 14, 2016, 01:31:15 PM
Still been reading a bunch of 2004-2005 era comics between Avengers Disassembled & House of M, read a good 12 issue (2004-2006) Nightcrawler run that started off as Nightcrawler's Supernatural CSI  and ended up setting up some religious heaven/hell end of times battle stuff for future X-men or Marvel Universe.  I'm finding I tend to enjoy the religious/mystical side of Marvel with Mephisto, Dr. Strange, devils and gods and dreamwalkers, etc... more than the standard good guys & bad guys fight it out in the city stuff.  Probably just because it's more rare when reading Marvel in bulk and so it's something different (and often something a bit darker).  Plus I like Nightcrawler, he's an interesting character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 14, 2016, 09:26:52 PM
Secret Wars #9 finally came out.  Nothing particularly Earth-shattering and is kind of a ho-hum ending to an event series that started out great and just got worse each month.

All the characters storming Doom's castle?  LOL, FUCK 'EM.  They're not even in the book.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
This is all about Reed Richards and Doom.  Reed and Ultimate Reed fight Doom, Ultimate Reed does his predictable heel turn and betrays Reed, then the Molecule Man helps Reed and Doom loses all his godlike-power.

In the end, shit is set back "right" and we get the 'new' Marvel universe that's already been in books for the past few months.  Reed and Sue's absence is finally explained-- they're with the Future Foundation crew and the Molecule Man is now with them, REBUILDING MULTIVERSES.[/quote]

So all that shit that went down in the Avengers books with incursions, leading up to this?  Basically meaningless.
[close]
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 22, 2016, 04:39:54 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/22/dc-comics-to-relaunch-everything-with-1s-again-this-summer-with-a-filmtv-bent/

Sigh...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on January 22, 2016, 09:41:53 PM
They do this literally every year.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 23, 2016, 08:21:49 AM
Is this is the new 53?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 23, 2016, 09:24:40 AM
They do this literally every year.

No they don't.  But it happens way too often regardless.  That said, while people might scoff at the numbers, apparently the readership went up like 15% when they rebooted the DCU a few years ago, so it's considered a success whether fanboys like it or not.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on January 23, 2016, 07:29:11 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/01/22/dc-comics-to-relaunch-everything-with-1s-again-this-summer-with-a-filmtv-bent/

Sigh...

Haha, LOL, no -- no, thanks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on January 28, 2016, 04:33:04 PM
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/i/%5Bcurrent-date%3Acustom%3AY%5D/%5Bcurrent-date%3Acustom%3Am%5D/%5Bcurrent-date%3Acustom%3Ad%5D/scooby-doo-jim-lee.jpg)

(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Flintstones-promo.jpg)

DC, pls  :stahp

http://www.ew.com/2016/01/28/dc-entertainment-hanna-barbera-titles

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These look pretty fun though
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Wacky-Raceland-promo.jpg)
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Future-Quest-promo03.jpg)
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Future-Quest-promo02.jpg)
(http://www.ew.com/sites/default/files/1453857925/Future-Quest-promo04.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 28, 2016, 05:17:51 PM
Betty tho. :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on January 28, 2016, 06:24:14 PM
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_small/0/4/68163-6558-101161-1-incredible-hulk.jpg)

Peter David & Lee Week's The Hulk Tempist Fugit was pretty nice.  Story was nothing special but the presentation and Hulk-ness were fantastic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on January 29, 2016, 02:11:17 AM
Betty tho. :noah

Yeah, but you could probably get that IRL if Billie Piper wore a brunette wig.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 29, 2016, 04:25:56 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/jNiUjd4.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 29, 2016, 04:42:08 PM
Betty tho. :noah

Yeah, but you could probably get that IRL if Billie Piper wore a brunette wig.

I probably could not.   :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on January 31, 2016, 02:20:07 AM
Betty tho. :noah

Yeah, but you could probably get that IRL if Billie Piper wore a brunette wig.

I probably could not.   :fbm

Oh, right. Me too.

:fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 14, 2016, 11:47:48 PM
Well, finished Year 2005 Marvel published comics and did House of M.  The mainline House of M series by Bendis was entertaining, but the side stuff ranged from kind neat (Doom) to zzz (Spider-man) and really failed to add anything substantial to the main House of M plot.  Whereas the main plot could've used some extra issues since it was quite short.  Liked the end twist, and the end end twist is interesting even though I know it's retconned later.  But it's still interesting because it'll be neat to see it's affect in the next year of Marvel leading up to Civil War.

Gonna take a break from Marvel.  I think reading through a year of their catalog seems to take about 3-4 months.  So if I get through about 3 years a year, in 5-6 years I might get caught up.  But I'm enjoying the ride for sure.  Looking forward to more New Avengers the most, since Bendis writing Spider-man and Wolverine is pretty fun.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 15, 2016, 12:15:41 AM
Don't even remember the House Of M ending twists-- what were they?

I remember Civil War being just OK, but the World War Hulk and Secret Invasion stuff was fun.  Especially the latter.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2016, 02:50:31 AM
First twist in House of M ending:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
That Pietro/Quicksilver was the one behind the whole thing and Magneto was just another victim.  Was a neat twist and the scene where Magneto wakes up and kills his own son Quicksilver out of rage "YOU DID ALL THIS IN MY NAME?!?!" etc... was a pretty awesome finish for the event.
[close]

The second twist that was sort of the cliffhanger twist:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Was Scarlet Witch throwing a fit at her dad/Magneto for killing her brother and blaming mutants for everything and then "no more mutants" and the world is remade back to normal with 90% of the mutants losing their powers.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 04:59:02 AM
The X-Men/mutants all got shunted off into their own little pocket universe for Civil War and I think most of Secret Invasion where nobody outside their books really talked about them. (Fair, considering they were reduced to 198 known mutants total.) Planet Hulk was the god-king storyline of that era. IIRC, they also unraveled the Decimation "status quo" very slowly in comparison to overturning a lot of other stuff. Seemed like it was a few years before there were mutants around every corner again.

I don't even consider this a spoiler, but Scott Snyder's way to make Bruce Wayne into Batman again is dumb as fuck and probably makes the whole stupid idea stupider than it was at the start of this waaaaay too long arc. I can't believe Grant Morrison wrote a more plausible, comprehensible and compelling version of the same idea.

And his involved time travel.

And Darkseid's eye beams.

And possibly the embodied spirit of Satan.

And all of relevant history happening in the Wayne family basement.

Why Scott. You gave us The Black Mirror. And the Court of Owls. (And honestly, Mister Bloom is a great new villain.) Why.

My favorite part about Rebirth isn't that they're potentially gutting everything including maybe the film universe to focus around Batman more (somehow) and Green Lantern less (which was part of what messed up New 52's internal coherence and nobody seemed to care much about fixing it by something like simply time-shifting the Batman books until two years later) but that almost every story talks about how DC just did this with "New 52" when that was like four years ago, and they just technically rebooted everything with fucking Convergence to sever all the books from each other if necessary last year, restarting whole lines like Earth 2/Constantine/etc. and prior to it all, cancelling half the lineup with not entirely great rhyme or reason. (Killing good selling books to setup books that never happened, and letting others doing poorly drag on despite "wrapping up" multiple times before suddenly dropping them.)

The truth is, I have no clue what DC or Marvel should even do. I get both wanting to reboot to tie in with the films, especially Marvel. But no matter what DC never seems to want to let go, or know how to schedule out a reboot (I mean, fuck, Crisis didn't even work right), and doesn't seem interested in spinning out Earth One into a real Ultimate like line.

I feel like I should scrap reading new stuff for a year or two. Clear out backlogs on finished works, do something like Bebpo is with older Marvel, etc.

That said, it is a great way to inflict punishment on myself.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 04:59:15 AM
 :umad
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 05:15:47 AM
Honestly, after New 52, I don't care if they scrapped all the canon and started over with the heroes just starting out concept. Batman starting his "war" a year ahead of Superman appearing which kicks off everyone else appearing and leads into stuff like the Justice League and then the whole universe expands from there. (Which was the original post-Crisis idea that they screwed up.) Do new versions of the famous stories, etc.

My only requirement is that Maxwell Lord shoots Ted Kord in the head again and things go fucking nuts. James Robinson's/Greg Rucka's Gotham Central/OMAC Project/Checkmate/Wonder Woman/52/JSA reign was like where DC peaked for me. With No Man's Land starting it and Final Crisis (+Legion of Three Worlds' canon wank) bringing up the rear.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 05:16:23 AM
 :ufup :trash
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 15, 2016, 05:37:55 AM
But The Black Mirror. James Gordon Jr.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It only had one plot thread didn't it...
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 15, 2016, 11:40:51 AM
I read Providence #7.

I'm a little disappointed that it returned to status quo after the last issue. The protagonist is super in denial. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 16, 2016, 02:59:23 PM
First twist in House of M ending:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
That Pietro/Quicksilver was the one behind the whole thing and Magneto was just another victim.  Was a neat twist and the scene where Magneto wakes up and kills his own son Quicksilver out of rage "YOU DID ALL THIS IN MY NAME?!?!" etc... was a pretty awesome finish for the event.
[close]

The second twist that was sort of the cliffhanger twist:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Was Scarlet Witch throwing a fit at her dad/Magneto for killing her brother and blaming mutants for everything and then "no more mutants" and the world is remade back to normal with 90% of the mutants losing their powers.
[close]

Ah OK, the no more mutants thing.  Got rid of a bunch of scrub-tier characters, but still left some of the dumber ones behind.  :doge

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 16, 2016, 03:07:00 PM
Re: DC

Stop rebooting everything.  That doesn't need to happen.  Just focus on writing good fuckin' STORIES that are easy for anyone to pick up and start reading, without needing to know years of backstory.  The latter is gonna happen no matter what, but they can still make it easy enough for people to get a grasp of what's going on.

Batman is just all over the place right now.  Too many character "deaths" and resurrections to count.  I was actually kind of enjoying Gordon-Robobats but the stuff they did in Batman #49 with Bruce was just plain awful. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I actually would have preferred him to remember that he was Batman, but instead of using some dumb memory-restoring machine, just kind of start over again.  Could have led to some interesting stories.
[close]

I'm glad that they are getting finished with Gordon-Bats and de-powered Supes, though, even if the latter was more interesting that way.  And I see that Wonder Woman has already ditched that awful new costume they gave her. 

I like that the Justice League book has basically ignored all this shit entirely (I think the explanation is that the Darkseid War stuff takes place before recent other events)...it's a better book for it.

Oh, and it's funny that the rebooted new Lobo is slowly kinda turning back into the old Lobo.  He's starting to look like the old design more now.  What they did to him was by far the worst thing in the New 52.

Green Lantern is already being changed up.  The entire corps disappeared (most of them were thrown back in time to the universe as it was before the big bang) except for Hal, who made himself look like a criminal and stole a prototype gauntlet that grants GL power without the battery or ties to OA, then ran off.  Basically an excuse to go totally solo and ditch all the corps shit for now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 16, 2016, 03:16:31 PM
Re: Marvel

I'm behind on a lot of stuff, but have been enjoying the various Spider-Man and X-Men books.  They've done a good job at juggling three Spider-Men without making it feel crowded (Peter Parker is now a rich global CEO mainly working out of China, Spider-Man 2099 runs Parker Industries in New York, and Miles Morales is...right back to being himself like in the Ultimate books, only now his mother is back alive as a reward for his part in Secret Wars) and Silk and Spider-Gwen are fun.  The latter is back in her own universe but now connected to the main universe as well.

Old Man Logan has been a good read so far.  It takes place before he joins his current X-Men squad and is completely disconnected from the rest of the X books.  This is a good thing.  It's more violent and focuses on Logan trying to kill those who are responsible for the fucked up future he comes from.

Not really digging All-New Wolverine right now.  The current storyline has more Laura clones popping up and her helping them out.  I'd rather have stories focusing on her trying to fill Logan's shoes and dealing with his rogues' gallery for a little while.

Iron Man has been fun. I don't get how Stark seems to be rich in his solo book but a 'poor man' in Avengers though.

Avengers...I just dunno.  There's too many books now and I'm not particularly thrilled with any of them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Steve Contra on February 18, 2016, 03:27:25 PM
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/18/the-first-volume-of-the-moebius-library-announced-at-comicspro/ (http://www.bleedingcool.com/2016/02/18/the-first-volume-of-the-moebius-library-announced-at-comicspro/)
 :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 18, 2016, 10:32:54 PM
So it looks like Rebirth really is gonna be DC starting over...again.

Five fuckin' years and that's it?

:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on February 19, 2016, 10:04:17 AM
The Nu52 is old Nus
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on February 20, 2016, 02:24:15 PM
I'm not really knowledgeable about any of this and only really followed the Snyder's Bats run in honesty, but was New 52 really a reboot? Seemed kind of one foot in one foot out a lot of times. At times confusing to new readers, but while still pissing off vets?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 20, 2016, 03:24:03 PM
It was a reboot, but weird in that a lot of events from the old DCU still happened, just in a much, much shorter amount of time.  What this really meant is that you had characters like Superman and Wonder Woman getting rebooted, teams like the Justice League coming together for the first time, but then Batman and especially Green Lantern comics felt exactly the same as before.  IIRC the New 52 universe was only supposed to have a past going back about five years from when it started.  Makes no sense for Batman, since all the various Robins were still all grown up and had been his partners at various times.  :dizzy  I think they would say that Batman existed "in the shadows" going back longer, but really it just went ignored.

These guys are trying restart all their shit way, way too often.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2016, 11:35:05 PM
New 52 rebooted basically everything back to the start to get rid of needing to know the continuity.

Except Batman.

And Green Lantern.

Because those had on-going extended plots and like fifty books and New 52 was a way to reboot the less important books and try some new ones and dump others.

But then they ran into the same problems as always when writers change, they ditch stuff those before did. Superman, Superboy, Justice League Dark, Stormwatch, etc. got battered with this very early on. And a lot of the new books were going poorly, so they got canned. Even though some of them were responsible for the main plot and backstory for events that were to spread into other books. (For example, Demon Knights, Stormwatch and Grifter were sharing an arc (to introduce the Daemonites and Helspont into the DC universe as a major threat) with Superman and Hawkman, until half the writers changed abruptly, half the series were canned and/or the entire plot dropped.)

It got to the point where books connected to Earth 2 and Future's End were the only things sticking to a single canon. (And then Convergence apparently eliminated Future's End.)

Convergence was also supposed to end New 52 to make a "new New 52" or DC YOU where there wasn't one canon, but each book could have its own. So readers didn't have to try and keep up with continuity.

Rebirth is even better because it's not a reboot it's...eliminating the New 52 universe to go back to the pre-New 52 one to bring back the "legacy of DC Comics". :rofl

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Johns talks his past DC miniseries "Green Lantern Rebirth" and "The Flash Rebirth," which restored familiar elements to the Green Lantern and Flash mythos, while also moving the characters forward. "Rebirth" aims to do the same with the entire DC Universe, while also restoring more of a focus on a shared universe. "Rebirth" starts in "DC Universe Rebirth," an 80-page one-shot scheduled for release on May 25, written by Johns and illustrated by artists Ethan Van Sciver, Ivan Reis, Gary Frank and Phil Jimenez.

With "Rebirth," the mainline DC Universe titles will be renumbered with new #1s -- except for "Action Comics" and "Detective Comics," the two longest-running series in DC's lineup, which will return to their original numbering at #957 and #934
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CBR spoke with Johns in-depth about "Rebirth," who said that the central element of what he's felt has been lost in the DC Universe is "legacy"
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It started when [DC Co-Publishers] Dan [DiDio] and Jim [Lee] came to me and said that they wanted to end things at #52, and work build back to a shared universe and big stories. They wanted to take another look at everything. Dan mentioned the word "Rebirth" to me. I said, look, that word's incredibly important to me -- I feel some pride and ownership of that word. I said it means something extremely specific in my mind, so if we're going to do something with "Rebirth", it's important to me to understand what that means. And like everyone else, I'm skeptical of relaunches. So it had to be something that everyone put everything they had into it. That was special. That had a reason. And "Rebirth" to me is a reason. It's beyond the back-to-basics approach. It's not just going back to square one. It's much, much more than something that simplistic. We all need to do our best to get this right and everyone has come together to create a cohesive universe and terrific stories that work individually as well as together. We're also doing it by building on everything that's been published since Action Comics #1 up thru The New 52.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOFXITBuLMA
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 23, 2016, 11:55:27 PM
Also, Johns is off Justice League after Darkseid War ends whenever #50 comes out.

Oddly his interview seemed to discount that Darkseid War and Rebirth were tied together. Even if the Anti-Monitor (not to mention Darkseid too) seems to be a pretty good tool to reboot your universe with.

And some books are going to go to twice a month. Detective and Action Comics are hinted at this, since he says they're excited about hitting #1000. Which would otherwise be ~4+ years away.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 12:05:27 AM
Wait...
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It started when [DC Co-Publishers] Dan [DiDio] and Jim [Lee] came to me and said that they wanted to end things at #52, and work build back to a shared universe and big stories.
Was this before or after DiDio's plan/goal to eliminate the (poorly) shared New 52 universe with Convergence and wreck the point of Morrison's The Multiversity in the process.

 :duh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 24, 2016, 12:06:11 AM
I really like Peter David's work on The Hulk.  I read Hulk: Destruction last night, a 4 or 5 part little story about the Abomination's origin.  Read well, good humor, made me like the characters (my first exposure to the green haired gamma-radiated psychiatrist friend of Hulk).  Art was solid too.  I wasn't a big fan of David's House of M Hulk story, but otherwise the rest of his Hulk stuff in the 2004/2005 era is quality stuff.  Made me a fan of the Hulk.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 24, 2016, 12:21:38 AM
(And then Convergence apparently eliminated Future's End.)

That future was eliminated, but the storyline has continued in the Batman Beyond series, where Tim Drake went further into the future to fight Brother Eye, using the Batman Beyond suit.  That storyline is over and now something new is beginning...or is it?  Because I have no idea if it will continue.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 12:30:36 AM
To be honest, I love New 52 just for the opportunity to get to describe it to people who ask.

It was supposed to simplify things!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 12:37:05 AM
Oh, I forgot how Barbara was paralyzed for years AND then became Oracle for years, but now she's healed and is back as (an often brutal) Batgirl before slowly de-aging and the book becoming Hipster Batgirl's wacky adventures at University! (AND BOYS! :-[)

And this all fits into that five year time frame or whatever. And nobody mentions Oracle as once being at the information center of half the heroes in the DC Universe, and Black Canary was both not in and in the Birds of Prey and Justice League, while being a criminal, and...yet, refers regularly to her escapades with Babs.

Nightwing -> Grayson worked a lot better because they were kinda like "forget it" and I do like the increasing Grayson-Jason-Tim team-ups. Their obvious but still entertaining "three faces of Batman" shtick is fun.

What a great time to be alive.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 24, 2016, 10:51:48 AM
Oh, I forgot how Barbara was paralyzed for years AND then became Oracle for years, but now she's healed and is back as (an often brutal) Batgirl before slowly de-aging and the book becoming Hipster Batgirl's wacky adventures at University! (AND BOYS! :-[)

And this all fits into that five year time frame or whatever. And nobody mentions Oracle as once being at the information center of half the heroes in the DC Universe, and Black Canary was both not in and in the Birds of Prey and Justice League, while being a criminal, and...yet, refers regularly to her escapades with Babs.

Nightwing -> Grayson worked a lot better because they were kinda like "forget it" and I do like the increasing Grayson-Jason-Tim team-ups. Their obvious but still entertaining "three faces of Batman" shtick is fun.

What a great time to be alive.

In the last issue of Nu52, Superman wakes up next to Lois Lane and he's like "Woah, I just had this crazy dream!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 24, 2016, 11:18:46 AM
"That's it, no more shrimp before bed."

...

"Amazonian princess?"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 07, 2016, 10:58:34 PM
I've been reading Decimation following House of M and man this is non-stop shit.  Like all these "cool" and "edgy" ideas the writers the writers thought of for mutants following House of M are just so bad.  Pretty much everything is feel bad edgy, the new characters are plot lines are junk.  It just sucks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 10, 2016, 07:56:17 PM
Been reading some pretty good stuff recently:

Monstress - This kind of reminds me of late-era Final Fantasy in a way, with the way it mixes humans with half-animal people and uses a very ornate, almost baroque-inspired art style. If I said nothing else good about it, the art is incredibly detailed and good. Some of the best I've seen in comics. But it's got an interested story, too, with lots of mystery and fantastical happenings. Only three issues are out so far and the release schedule is, unfortunately, a bit erratic.

Cry Havoc - A British lesbian-turned werewolf goes to Afghanistan to track down a rogue American werewolf with a band of normal human soldiers and various other freaks. It's also told in three alternating plot lines: just after the MC is turned, the MC in Afghanistan searching for the American werewolf, and after the MC's encounter with the psycho American lady werewolf. It sounds a bit confusing and slapdash, but it all works pretty well and gives you hints and details about what's going on without throwing too much at you at one time. It's still early in its run, but it's got my attention and I'm really interested in seeing where things go after the reveal in the second issue.

Insexts: Okay...where should I start with this one? An insect lady impregnates her dirtbag husband so that she can start a new life with her insect lesbian maid. Also, it's Victorian England. Got it? So, right off the bat there's some "Down with the patriarchy!!" going on, and some serious David Cronenberg-esque body horror, mixed in a with some late-Victorian London [both high and low]. And lots of fairly explicit lesbian sex, if you're into that sort of thing. Tear away all the details, though, and the basica story is about two women who are "different" trying to make a happy life for themselves up against a world that wants to tear them apart.

Black Magick - A Massachusetts police officer, who also happens to be a witch, is targeted by a mysterious group who know her secret. This is probably the weakest of the four [for me, personally], but still a good read so far and it does a nice balance between the regular police work and magical investigation techniques. It moves a bit slower, but the end of the fifth issue final provides a glimpse into who this mysterious organization is and lets you know pretty clearly that things are about to get real.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2016, 08:11:17 AM
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esbian-turned werewolf

She was a lesbian, but now she's a werewolf? Couldn't she be a lesbian werewolf?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 12, 2016, 11:39:10 AM
DC:

Remember the BIG CHANGES for the BIG 3?  Robo-Batman James Gordan, de-powered, identity-outed Superman, and...new costume Wonder Woman?

They're all coming to an end already.  Wonder Woman got her old costume back in recent comics, Superman got his powers restored after being fueled by Kryptonite (lolwut), and Bruce Wayne is about to come back as Batman and save the day. 

That was quick.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 12, 2016, 05:29:35 PM
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esbian-turned werewolf

She was a lesbian, but now she's a werewolf? Couldn't she be a lesbian werewolf?

werebian
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on March 12, 2016, 11:04:15 PM
http://joequinones.blogspot.jp/2016/03/batman-89.html?_sm_au_=iVV4TRr0fFjQbRNn
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 13, 2016, 12:31:04 AM
http://joequinones.blogspot.jp/2016/03/batman-89.html?_sm_au_=iVV4TRr0fFjQbRNn

Aw, I would have loved this.  :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 15, 2016, 05:53:56 PM
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esbian-turned werewolf

She was a lesbian, but now she's a werewolf? Couldn't she be a lesbian werewolf?

The text isn't entirely clear on that point just yet. But the werewolf part has definitely taken precedent in the short-term.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 16, 2016, 05:18:50 PM
So I finished "Decimation" and the related comics which essentially are just all the mutant comics from the end of House of M in late 2005 to the end of 2007 with Endangered Species.

At first it was really bad/painful to read.  All the "198" and concentration camp of remaining mutants going nuts and the outside world going genocide was just cringeful to read.  As Decimation got away from that and good writers came in, Peter David with X-Factor Investigations, Ed Brubaker with The Rise and Fall of the Shiar Empire, Mike Carey with Endangered Species; all good stuff.  I don't think Brubaker is this most interesting writer, but he writes solid exciting action stories.  The Billy Tan art for his 12 issue Rise and Fall of Shiar was fantastic.  Lotta good action, made me actually like Havok.  Cool moments in there.  The setup arc before it introducing Vulcan was pretty Mark Millar shock lame, which is kind of bad side of Brubaker and why I don't always love his stuff. 

Anyhow, now that I've read that, I'm reading all the late 2005-mid 2006 comics leading up to Civil War & Annihilation, which both seem to take place around the same time.  Looking forward to Annihilation since I've heard it's good and the first major 2000s event of Marvel Cosmic.  Although man, the 2005 four issue Drax the Destroyer that leads up to it was pretty boring.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 16, 2016, 05:44:25 PM
The cosmic stuff from around that time remains a big Marvel event that I have yet to read.  Looking forward to seeing if you think it's worth reading.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 02:19:35 PM
DC Rebirth titles and teams have dropped. (http://comicbook.com/2016/03/26/watch-dcs-rebirth-live/)

Hype news:

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DC Universe Rebirth by Geoff Johns, Gary Frank, Ivan Reis, Phil Jimenz and Ethan Van Sciver: A one-shot launching DC Rebirth; to be published in May

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New costume designs for Superman, Supergirl, Black Canary, Superboy, Batman and Green Arrow (w/ goatee)

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Batman Beyond by Dan Jurgens and Bernard Chang, featuring the return of Terry McGuinness.

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Blue Beetle by Keith Giffen and Scott Kolins.  Jaime Reyes and Ted Kord will both appear in the book.

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Teen Titans by Ben Percy and Jonboy Meyers, featuring Damian Wayne trying to take over the Teen Titans.

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Super Sons (no creative team announced) featuring Damian Wayne and Jonathan Kent.

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Titans by Dan Abnett and Brett Booth.  Arsenal, Nightwing, Tempest and Donna Troy will all appear.

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Superman by Peter Tomasi, Doug Mahnke and Patrick Gleason
(Basically the Batman & Robin 2011 team.)

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Batman by Tom King, David Finch and Jordie Bellaire (promo art features Jim Gordon with a mustache)

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Detective Comics by James Tynion IV, Eddy Barrows and Alvaro Martinez (featuring Batman, Batwoman, Tim Drake, Spoiler, Cassandra Cain, and Clayface)

and finally:

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Nightwing by Tim Seeley, Javi Fernandez and Marcus To (featuring Nightwing in the classic "black and blue" costume)
(Marcus To is the best comic book artist working today.)


Some WTF news:

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Justice League #50 will reveal the Joker's real name.

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All-Star Batman by Scott Snyder, John Romita Jr., Jock, and Sean Murphy.  Paul Pope and Tula Lotay were also teased as guest artists.

Is this a continuation of the Miller series??
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 02:33:22 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CefThg0WIAEzRjf.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CefTg26W4AA7jnL.jpg)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CefThN5WEAAwKpS.jpg)

I haven't been this hyped for a comic series in a long, long, long time. Tim Seeley wrote the fantastic Grayson (probably the best new title of New 52), and Marcus To drew most of Red Robin (the best-drawn DC series outside of anything Alex Ross and Jim Lee have worked on.)

This is literally my dream team working on one of my favorite characters. DC got me back in.

Skintight-Dickbutt is back!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 26, 2016, 02:56:02 PM
New costume designs for Superman, Supergirl, Black Canary, Superboy, Batman and Green Arrow (w/ goatee)

Again?  :lol

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Batman Beyond by Dan Jurgens and Bernard Chang, featuring the return of Terry McGuinness.

Interesting.  I wonder if this is some time travel-related trickery, since the character is currently dead.  Gonna guess the current Batman Beyond book has future Tim Drake doing something erase everything that happened in this book and finish off the now-pointless Future's End.  :doge

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Blue Beetle by Keith Giffen and Scott Kolins.  Jaime Reyes and Ted Kord will both appear in the book.

Was never much for Blue Bettle, but hey, he's back, and hey, it's Giffen!

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Teen Titans by Ben Percy and Jonboy Meyers, featuring Damian Wayne trying to take over the Teen Titans.

Weird.

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Super Sons (no creative team announced) featuring Damian Wayne and Jonathan Kent.

Jonathan Kent?  I want to say that this Superman and Lois Lane's kid from the current Superman: Lois & Clark series, which is about another Superman/Lois from an alternate reality hiding out on the main DC Earth.   Maybe I'm wrong.

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Titans by Dan Abnett and Brett Booth.  Arsenal, Nightwing, Tempest and Donna Troy will all appear.

Bye bye Lobdell, huh?  Maybe I'll try this Titan stuff now.

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Batman by Tom King, David Finch and Jordie Bellaire (promo art features Jim Gordon with a mustache)

Batman #50 came out last week and saw Batman's full return.  Gordon-Bats also helped saved the day, and it ends with him in a hospital bed recovering...and the mustache already back.   :)

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Detective Comics by James Tynion IV, Eddy Barrows and Alvaro Martinez (featuring Batman, Batwoman, Tim Drake, Spoiler, Cassandra Cain, and Clayface)

Cassandra Cain popping back up is interesting.

and finally:

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Nightwing by Tim Seeley, Javi Fernandez and ]Marcus To (featuring Nightwing in the classic "black and blue" costume)

I wonder how they are going to explain him being Nightwing again?  Or will all this Rebirth stuff erase him being "dead?"  Maybe when Grayson ends we'll find out.


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Some WTF news:

Justice League #50 will reveal the Joker's real name.

:crazy

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All-Star Batman by Scott Snyder, John Romita Jr., Jock, and Sean Murphy.  Paul Pope and Tula Lotay were also teased as guest artists.

Is this a continuation of the Miller series??

:crazy :crazy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 03:04:46 PM
The bigger issue for Nightwing is that because of Forever Evil, everyone on Earth knows it's Dick. So this really must be some kind of world-reset.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 03:09:40 PM
Also I let myself get excited for a new costume for Tim (avatar shoutout hey-oh!) but they seem to have reverted him to his OG Robin costume (?????)

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CefsFtrWQAAME2J.jpg:large)

Ugh. They could have at least made it his best Robin costume:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CefrNUZW8AAvtOq.jpg:large)

I guess both Tim and Damian are Robin now simultaneously?? I can't see Tim being "Red Robin" when his costume has so much green in it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 03:11:09 PM
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Bye bye Lobdell, huh?  Maybe I'll try this Titan stuff now.

Thank

FUCKING

GOD
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on March 26, 2016, 03:12:49 PM
All Star Batman isn't a continuation of ASBAR, it's a in continuity Batman title that features an large line up of artists telling stories that Snyder didn't get to tell with specific villians like Two Face or Catwoman,etc.

Jim Lee did joke about them taking ASBAR away from him tho.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 03:16:39 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CefqdmGUEAA0T46.jpg)

New costumes.

Bats is back to blue (for the cowl.) Also yellow outline on the logo. Not his worst costume but meh.

WW looks same as ever to me.

They ditched that stupid fucking collar on Supes and for the first time since pre-N52 I like how he looks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 26, 2016, 03:23:12 PM
I see there's more than you posted.  So Lobdell is STILL there doing Red Hood & The Outlaws, lawl.

I like what they're doing with The Flash.  The New Super-Man thing seems interesting.  Superwoman?  Did they already have one in New 52?

Absent from this is Earth 2.  I see that Huntress is back in Birds Of Prey, so either that's a new character or some of them are going back to Earth 1.  Wonder if Superwoman is gonna be Power Girl, then?

The rest:

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Batgirl and the Birds of Prey by Julie Benson, Shawna Benson, and Claire Roe (team will feature Black Canary and the Huntress)

Batgirl by Hope Larson and Rafael Albuquerque. (Initial arc will feature Batgirl leaving Burnside and going on a training mission/backpacking trip)

Action Comics by Dan Jurgens, Patrick Zircher, Tyler Kirkham and Stephen Segovia.  The book will feature the "pre-New 52" versions of Superman, Lois and Jon Kent seen in Jurgens' Superman: Lois and Clark book.

The New Super-Man by Gene Yang and Viktor Bogdanovic.  The series will feature a new teen character from Shanghai who gets Superman's powers.

Supergirl by Steve Orlando, Brian Ching and Emanuela Luppacchino.

Trinity by Francis Manapul and Clay Mann

Superwoman by Phil Jimenez and Emanuela Luppacchino

Superman by Peter Tomasi, Doug Mahnke and Patrick Gleason

Wonder Woman by Greg Rucka, Liam Sharp and Nicola Scott.  Alternate issues will feature a "Wonder Woman: Year One" storyline drawn by Scott.

Justice League by Bryan Hitch, Tony Daniel, Fernando Pasarin.  Book will feature Green Lanterns Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz  as well as Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, the Flash and Cyborg.

The Flash by Joshua Williamson, Carmine Di Giandomenico and Neil Googe. The initial arc will feature the Flash training dozens of new speedsters. Godspeed (who greatly resembles The Flash TV show's Zoom) will be the main villain.

Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps by Robert Vendetti, Ethan Van Sciver and Rafa Sandoval.  The book will feature the Green Lanterns fighting to take back the universe from the Sinestro Corps.  John Stewart and Guy Gardner will also be featured.

Green Lanterns by Sam Humphries, Robson Rocha and Ardian Syaf featuring rookie Green Lanterns Simon Baz and Jessica Cruz fighting the Red Lanterns.

The Green Lantern: Rebirth one-shot will be co-written by Geoff Johns and Sam Humphries and drawn by Ethan Van Sciver.

Cyborg by John Semper, Will Conrad and Paul Pelletier.

Aquaman by Dan Abnett, Brad Walker, Jesus Merino and Phil Briones.  It looks like Tempest will appear in the series, as will Black Manta and Ocean Master.  Aquaman will lead into Geoff Johns-plotted "The Rise of the Seven Seas".

Harley Quinn by Amanda Conner, Jimmy Palmiotti, Chad Hardin and John Timms.

Suicide Squad by Rob Williams Jim Lee and Phillip Tan.  Cover shows Harley Quinn, Rick Flagg, Captain Boomerang, Deadshot, Killer Croc and Katana.

Green Arrow by Ben Percy, Otto Schmidt and Juan Ferreya

Red Hood and the Outlaws by Scott Lobdell and Dexter Soy.

The Hellblazer by Simon Oliver and Moriart.

Deathstroke by Christopher Priest, Caarlo Pagulayan, Igor Vitorino and Felipe Watanabe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 06:02:50 PM
Lobdell's been shitting up Red Hood/Outlaws since they first began and I couldn't give two shits about those characters, so if he has to stay at DC this is probably the optimal solution.

His legendary awfulness on Teen Titans extends from the past to the far future, from the bones of my flesh to the heart of my soul. If he were paid for his work in comics with loogie to the face, it would be too much a kindness compared to what he deserves. A pox on Scott Lobdell.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 06:20:20 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/O3kBh0U.jpg)

Superman finally looks like Superman. Would rather he had the red boots, though.

Don't really care for Damian, his old Robin costume was fine IMO. But he looks a bit older here so I guess it's appropriate for him to get a new costume.

Like the new Superboy's design. He looks so happy, lol.

Green Lantern with a gun, whaaaaat.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 26, 2016, 10:52:49 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/O3kBh0U.jpg)

Superman finally looks like Superman. Would rather he had the red boots, though.

Don't really care for Damian, his old Robin costume was fine IMO. But he looks a bit older here so I guess it's appropriate for him to get a new costume.

Like the new Superboy's design. He looks so happy, lol.

Green Lantern with a gun, whaaaaat.

That Green Lantern (Simon Baz) had a gun right from the start.  I see Power Ring has a new look...or is she going to be a full-on GL now?

Harley looks awful.  Croc is Croc. 

That Batman costume is from Batman #50.  Superman looks about the same, apart from the boots being blue.  Wonder Woman looks great-- that costume is clearly a nod to the live action version in BvS and the upcoming movie, but also is similar to how she's been drawn in recent Justice League comics, minus the cape.

Damien looks OK.  Superboy too.  I wish Wally West Kid Flash had a different costume.  Something about that looks too cheesy to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 26, 2016, 11:36:07 PM
Supes doesn't have a collar and it makes his costume 1000x more Supermanly.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on March 26, 2016, 11:40:42 PM
That Superman costume is atrocious, how can you like that?

-Suit is too dark
-wearing Wonder Woman's bracelets
-stupid no purpose belt with floating buckle that looks like a belly button jewel
-if you're not going to have the red briefs on the outside, at least don't give him visible panty line
-boots should be red

positive things:

-from the neck up looks fine
-cape and S-shield look fine I guess?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on March 26, 2016, 11:44:06 PM
Also, here is a fun mind puzzle for you. Are his boots black, with blue shine like his hair? Or are they blue with black shadows like his sleeves? What about his pant legs? Where does the black end and the blue begin? It is a condundrum
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 26, 2016, 11:48:34 PM
The Supes costume is fine.  If you don't like it...there's gonna be more than one Superman now.  Even Lex Luthor is going to be a "Superman."  :doge

Was wrong about the Earth 2 thing.  Earth 2 will be continuing on as normal.  Superwoman is a new character...I guess the idea here is that something is going to happen that gives multiple people Superman's powers.  The Huntress shown for the Birds Of Prey book has darker skin.  Wouldn't be surprised if it's the female spy character from Grayson, who wears a Huntress-like shirt already...and is named Helena Bertinelli.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 27, 2016, 12:03:26 AM
That Superman costume is atrocious, how can you like that?

It's much better than the New 52 suit and from the waist-up it looks fine to me, basically how Superman should look.

(http://static.srcdn.com/slir/w620-h474-q90-c620:474/wp-content/uploads/Superman-New-52-Comic-Book-Comparison-Jim-Lee-and-John-Romita-Jr.jpg)

Compared to these hideous pieces of trash, the Rebirth suit is godly. No more stupid "armor" lines either.

If they're hell-bent on not having red underwear (still not sold on that) the belt is a decent compromise.

Gauntlets are fine.

The boots are the only thing that look completely wrong to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 28, 2016, 09:10:02 PM
The underwear-on-the-outside-of-the-tights look is awful.  So glad that's not the norm anymore.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 28, 2016, 09:21:21 PM
Been reading old Marvel What If comics.  The second series that started in the late 80s.  Haven't read some of these comics since I was a kid, and wow are some of the stories so dumb.  "What if Spider-Man had kept his six arms" was almost insulting.  Spidey's extra arms are never any kind of hinderance and actually make him physically better, yet the writers present this like it's a major handicap and show him standing with physically handicapped kids at the end.

The most obvious question I had, however, was "if Spidey didn't want extra arms, why was a cure needed?"  Just amputate them.

:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 10:49:13 AM
Gotham Academy and Earth 2 are both supposed to be continuing on as if nothing has happened.

And Dan Didio apparently still thinks 52 was terrible and Countdown was better.

And like half the books are going to be twice monthly.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 29, 2016, 11:19:48 AM
You just know some of those are ripe for quick cancellation, like Super Sons.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 11:36:08 AM
Anytime DC does a relaunch, like half the books have "DOA" written in flashing letters on the covers.

Twice a month is going to be hard to adjust to, but if they can keep it up without sacrificing quality I'm game. Biggest problem I have with comics is that I read an issue, think "Wow I can't wait for what's next!", wait for a month, forget why I was excited and what happened in the last issue, and then re-read the last issue again right before the new one. Rinse repeat.

The Japanese "chapter a week" method is much better for holding your attention because it's basically like waiting for a new ep of a TV show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 11:51:40 AM
Also after all the shit New 52 Supes has been through (getting de-powered, getting exposed as Clark Kent, having Jimmy die in his arms, etc.) it seems like they're bringing back post-Crisis Superman to be the "main" one in the new universe.

Which is awesome because he's the best version of the character (and is also married to Louis and has a kid with her, hence Super Sons.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 29, 2016, 02:18:18 PM
Also after all the shit New 52 Supes has been through (getting de-powered, getting exposed as Clark Kent, having Jimmy die in his arms, etc.) it seems like they're bringing back post-Crisis Superman to be the "main" one in the new universe.

Which is awesome because he's the best version of the character (and is also married to Louis and has a kid with her, hence Super Sons.)

When did that happen?  He's still around AFAIK.

Post-Crisis Supes has been back.  There's already a book with him, Lois, and their kid.  He stays off the radar, doin' thangs, and Lois writes under another name.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 02:23:52 PM
Superman #46 apparently. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/supermans-horrible-life-just-got-even-worse-1744787944) I'm way behind on DC stuff so I don't know much outside that. Still need to catch up on Convergence shit.

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jVQlO9Ur--/wisqpi8jzzqztas8mu7a.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 29, 2016, 02:58:44 PM
Superman #46 apparently. (http://io9.gizmodo.com/supermans-horrible-life-just-got-even-worse-1744787944) I'm way behind on DC stuff so I don't know much outside that. Still need to catch up on Convergence shit.

(http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--jVQlO9Ur--/wisqpi8jzzqztas8mu7a.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/iwseW0v.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 29, 2016, 03:05:32 PM
Yeah, he didn't die.  Or if he did, he came right back.  That wasn't even that long ago, but I don't remember.   :lol  But he was sitting with Superman and Lois at the end of issue #50, where Superman is dressed up as Clark Kent even though everyone still knows who he is.  :doge 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
it's the ol bait and switch

on the first page of #47 supes is all like "he's got a pulse!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 29, 2016, 03:53:13 PM
:lol Fuck comics, haha.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 29, 2016, 04:24:43 PM
it's the ol bait and switch

on the first page of #47 supes is all like "he's got a pulse!"

But what happened to Jimmy's fathers day gift??
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2016, 04:31:13 PM
I bet he tried to regift it.

Jimmy probably got it at a discount: "I thought everything in the store had a red dot on it. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJ7GOXH9Avo)"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 30, 2016, 11:25:38 PM
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-twsamTbPn88/Vvxs62Jlx2I/AAAAAAAAF5Y/6bDPoOk03HorEeDaRYXqrE-jcA34lS5OA/w623-h881-no/2016-03-30.jpg)

Tim's suit is growing on me, but still... so much wasted potential. :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2016, 12:45:33 PM
...The fuck is that Cassandra Cain costume?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2016, 12:49:29 PM
Some kind of ninja armor. Which makes sense I guess.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 31, 2016, 01:03:28 PM
I mean why wouldn't you read them?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2016, 01:19:57 PM
Cause he's a big dope.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2016, 01:40:44 PM
Dumped $140 on comics just now so I can catch up to Rebirth. Bought all available of:

We Are Robin
Robin: Son of Batman
Batman & Robin Eternal
Batman Beyond
Convergence (#0-8 collected)

Caught up on the following:

Batman
Justice League
Grayson
Robin War

Want to also get all of Midnighter and Superman: Lois and Clark, but the above should take me a whiiiiiile to get through.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2016, 02:05:13 PM
I would have passed on Convergence.  Dumb event.  You also don't get the full story unless you read all of Earth 2 and the Earth 2 weekly series, plus the weekly Future's End series, that preceded it.

Cause he's a big dope.

:what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2016, 02:20:08 PM
Ah, Future's End, forgot about that. I know most of the spoilers, and the entire thing's basically non-canon now I think, but it features Tim Drake heavily so I'll give it a shot.

Most of the time I don't really follow the big events, but Forever Evil really surprised me (in a good way), so now I try to check them out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2016, 03:20:32 PM
Forever Evil wasn't bad-- just went too long.  Convergence is just dumb, self-contained dumbness as well-- for the most part.  What it actually affects the most is Earth 2.

Future's End was indeed nullified by Tim Drake and Batman (Beyond)...and that story continues in that book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2016, 03:28:12 PM
Sweetness.

Also:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CeyQEsjWsAIhhbO.jpg:large)

:preach
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2016, 03:29:56 PM
Well, there's the first glimpse of Superwoman I guess. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2016, 04:04:54 PM
Sorry, I don't think that's official artwork. (https://twitter.com/stephenbyrne86/status/715104852951470081) Though that Superwoman design could be legit, I don't know.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on March 31, 2016, 07:27:52 PM
I'd love to get caught up on a bunch of shit for this, but still no DC Unlimited App so  ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2016, 01:51:25 PM
...The fuck is that Cassandra Cain costume?  :lol
It's the one she's been wearing in Batman and Robin Eternal.

She's "Orphan" not Batgirl or Blackbat or anything like that.

I forgot how bad and then nuts and weird Batwoman got after the two leads left because gay marriage is banned in the New 52. Build up all this backstory, setup a fight with Batman, new guy comes along and it's like he wrote the conclusion to their arc (since they quit before the last issue) overnight with the most god awful dialogue. And like all he knows about the character is she's a lesbian so that's what the next 10 issues are about. As much lesbianing and lesbian-based drama as possible. And then suddenly it's a team-up book with Ragman, Clayface and Etrigan.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 05, 2016, 01:57:52 PM
Detective Comics (1937) (https://www.comixology.com/Detective-Comics-1937-2011/comics-series/237?ref=c2l0ZS9saXN0L2Rlc2t0b3AvbGlzdC9zZXJpZXNMaXN0&Issues_pg=20) = #1-881
Detective Comics (2011) (https://www.comixology.com/Detective-Comics-2011/comics-series/6647?ref=c2l0ZS9saXN0L2Rlc2t0b3AvbGlzdC9zZXJpZXNMaXN0&Issues_pg=4) = #1-52

881 + 52 = 933

Detective Comics (2016) (https://www.comixology.com/Detective-Comics-2016/comics-series/71634?ref=c2l0ZS9saXN0L2Rlc2t0b3AvbGlzdC9zZXJpZXNMaXN0) starts at #934. So I guess maybe the New 52 issues might be re-numbered? Haha. So glad to have the old numbering back. But this makes me wonder, pre-New 52 Detective Comics was the "main" Batman comic where most of the crossovers spun out of and most of the revered storylines took place in. In New 52 that's been the case for Snyder's Batman, not Detective Comics. Wonder if it's gonna flip back with the return to the old numbering.

/nerdy shit no one except me cares about
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 05, 2016, 07:49:55 PM
They're taking Detective Comics and Action Comics back to the original numbering while counting the interim issues and going biweekly so they can hit #1000 with both in 2017-ish. I believe they're the only ones getting this treatment.

Marvel has done this same thing with a number of books because they keep restarting them with #1's then going back to the original numbering and so on. I think they even ran dual numbering on their covers for a while. Fantastic Four got restarted twice in the 1990s before going back to the original numbering, then getting restarted a couple more times in the in 2010s before they went back to the original numbering again and cancelling it. :lol

DC did something similar before with Superman too. Superman ran to #423, then Crisis and it became Adventures of Superman until #649, then Infinite Crisis where they cancelled the existing Superman at #226 and renamed Adventures back to just Superman and kept the numbering at #650.

I don't know if I'd call Detective Comics the main book, considering like Superman, the batbooks were running basically one continuous story through all of them for years. After Final Crisis, Detective Comics had Batwoman and The Question as the main characters for like a year. Hush, Under the Hood and Morrison's run were all in Batman. Hell, so was Year One and A Death in the Family.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 09:28:58 AM
Hmm I thought Morrison's run was in Detective. Probably misremembering.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 09:55:36 AM
It was in Batman until R.I.P. and then he moved over to the new Batman and Robin and then Batman Incorporated (speaking of books with two #1's...and that otherwise ignored the New 52's reboot) before dicking around with Supes for a bit.

At New 52, they swapped the writers, Tony Daniel was on Batman and Snyder on Detective (The Black Mirror and James Gordon storylines I think are still my favorites of his), then they moved Snyder to Batman and Daniel to Detective.

I'll have to re-read Snyder's run, maybe it (especially Eternal) reads better collected and together than month to month. Morrison's run was better once you knew how it ended. I still love how his Batman story took a detour into Final Crisis, and Final Crisis takes two detours of its own one of which is pretty essential to the plot. And really, it actually really ends later, in the Batman story.

I remember the confusion over R.I.P. (especially since Batman didn't die) and Final Crisis and that one huge Morrison fanboy on GAF who was getting enraged at people who were all "wtf?" because half the story for each were elsewhere or never explained until later. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 12:06:14 PM
Yeah, Final Crisis was a mess and the huge reliance on crossovers + Morrison's already-windy writing kinda did it in for me. Infinite Crisis is still my favorite.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 01:04:14 PM
TRIGGER WARNING:  :expert

I think The OMAC Project part of Infinite Crisis is better than the main story. Actually I like the various plots around Infinite Crisis + 52 more than separately because it does seem more like an epic event. No Man's Land was what got me back into comics and so EVENTS have always felt like a letdown in the wake of that. IIRC, it ran for an entire year across the entire Bat-family books with just a really incredible scope. The New Krypton arc was like an inferior Superman version.

I was wishy-washy on R.I.P and Final Crisis until The Multiversity which I read at the same time I finally read The Invisibles. The Batman stuff gets messy because it sprawls out of control once he starts writing it as a monthly book instead of a story with an ending. And he tells that entire Doctor Hurt arc in about three times the issues he needed. (Ironically, the opposite of his normal problem like where Final Crisis needed two extra issues.)

But there's like an arc, from Animal Man/Doom Patrol -> Batman -> Final Crisis -> The Multiversity that The Invisibles touches on in a very raw form that I put together along with parts of Seven Soldiers that forms this macro-arc of the same sort of ideas and concepts toyed with over the years and approached from different angles. With Batman being where he touches on a legendary character and Final Crisis where he touches on the legendary aspect of the DC Universe. (He dabbled back in the JLA days but I think it was after doing X-Men, The Invisibles, The Filth, and All-Star Superman that he became GRANT MORRISON and was able to take his nuts stuff and import it into Batman/52/FC.)

It's a whole fascination about the nature of stories. Animal Man and The Multiversity get the most blatant about it, but it's in all the others, like his dredging up crazy 1960s Batman stories and making them canon. And the supernatural mythology that's really our inability to comprehend whatever. (Doom Patrol and The Invisibles are all over this is coherent and incoherent form.) Even his conception of Darkseid and the multi-universe in Final Crisis is about these layers.

In some respects I like that he's seemingly backed into this DC-arc by accident. It's clearly something he's pondered on, and he's real explicit with The Multiversity in interviews and stuff. But because of the haphazard way it comes off as like I'm putting the pieces together on this greater secret about the DC Universe as he is.  :lol

Glad he's doing The Multiversity Too. I wouldn't necessarily have been a couple years ago.

Shame Convergence took the wind out of the sails of The Multiversity's conclusion by telegraphing the twist, which both telegraphed Rebirth.

One of the meta jokes I liked in The Multiversity is a character says something like "Comic books? What have they ever done for anybody. Superhero films, that's where the real art is." Bitter Morrison can be fun.

All that gibberish about Morrison aside, I think Rucka, Brubaker and James Robinson are probably top DC superhero fan-bros. (Plus stuff outside it, especially Rucka.) Brian Azzarello, Bill Willingham and Dan Jurgens too I suppose. Geoff Johns must be okay since he wrote on JSA. Basically anyone who wrote on the JSA books gets a pass.

Except David Goyer. But then again, he did that before he worked with Brannon Braga AND before he interviewed himself. So...I'm reaching here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 06, 2016, 01:16:15 PM
I've been thinking about doing a big kill myself on some Marvel thing. Civil War and Exiles were the last I really did any deep Marvel slopping around in ages. After Runaways died off it was kinda... Oh wait, I did go through Planet Hulk/World War Hulk, but Secret Invasions list of tie-in books came out and I was like "nope."

The metro area libraries have a bunch of those like 500 page black and white reprints they used to put out, along with the cheapo Masterworks. So I got the first couple for Iron Man and The Avengers. But those were the only ones they had too at that particular library.

It almost seems appropriate that X-Men is with a different film studio when you look at Marvel's publishing. There's like ten million X-Men books and spin-offs, fifty Spider-Man books, and then everybody else.

That library had a huge X-Men section, all 1990s+ stuff, but I couldn't fucking figure it out. And I was like "oh, Age of Apocalypse, House of M, I remember these, maybe whatever arcs came after House of M." Similar situation for Spider-Man. lol nope bye

I wish the MCU would hurry up with Infinity War and garbage so they can cancel all the movies and just do an Exiles TV series with the entire studio budget.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 01:41:44 PM
No Man's Land. :lawd That shit was fucking perfect. The best way to handle a crossover.

I loved the lead up to Infinite Crisis too. The OMAC Project was a little bleh for me but I loved the Blue Beetle/Maxwell Lord/Wonder Woman SNAP stuff. But it didn't outshine IC for me. IC had such a good story and well-written characters, I come back to it every so often. I especially love the message about new vs. old and hope vs. grimdarkness, it was such a perfect metacommentary on contemporary comic books and media in general.

Requisite: :expert
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 06, 2016, 06:13:50 PM
So normally I acquire my comics through other means but recently I noticed a comic book store has open very close to me, so I decided to go inside and check it today. Now I'm not the type to go inside places without planning to buy something but I couldn't think of anything I really wanted, however I remember Empress came out today, so I bought that so I can support the amazing Stuart Immonen.

I'm glad I didn't remember Wonder Woman:Earth One was out today because would've asked for it and ended up paying more than my Amazon preorder. I'll try and support my LCS since I have one now plus it's near a Chinese place I frequent, so that helps a lot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 06, 2016, 06:39:51 PM
So normally I acquire my comics through other means

:scust
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on April 09, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
I've never been a huge comic person but I recently got and read all of The Wicked + The Divine digitally while it was on sale recently, and I bought Book 1 of Saga yesterday when I went to pick up the first issue of Black Panther. My friend's also told me to give East of West a try.

You guys cosign any of these? Anything else that you'd recommend?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 09, 2016, 02:18:35 PM
So normally I acquire my comics through other means but recently I noticed a comic book store has open very close to me, so I decided to go inside and check it today. Now I'm not the type to go inside places without planning to buy something but I couldn't think of anything I really wanted, however I remember Empress came out today, so I bought that so I can support the amazing Stuart Immonen.

I'm glad I didn't remember Wonder Woman:Earth One was out today because would've asked for it and ended up paying more than my Amazon preorder. I'll try and support my LCS since I have one now plus it's near a Chinese place I frequent, so that helps a lot.

It's out?  I thought that was next week.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 09, 2016, 03:04:15 PM
I've never been a huge comic person but I recently got and read all of The Wicked + The Divine digitally while it was on sale recently, and I bought Book 1 of Saga yesterday when I went to pick up the first issue of Black Panther. My friend's also told me to give East of West a try.

You guys cosign any of these? Anything else that you'd recommend?

I cosign East of West, Saga is alright. I recommend Rumble, Low, The Nao of Brown, Lastman(this isn't an american comic, it's french but it's still comics), Beautiful Darkness(also french) and Blacksad(it won't make you a furry I promise.)

So normally I acquire my comics through other means but recently I noticed a comic book store has open very close to me, so I decided to go inside and check it today. Now I'm not the type to go inside places without planning to buy something but I couldn't think of anything I really wanted, however I remember Empress came out today, so I bought that so I can support the amazing Stuart Immonen.

I'm glad I didn't remember Wonder Woman:Earth One was out today because would've asked for it and ended up paying more than my Amazon preorder. I'll try and support my LCS since I have one now plus it's near a Chinese place I frequent, so that helps a lot.

It's out?  I thought that was next week.

Some trades/graphic novels get released in comic book stores first and then are released everywhere else later(Amazon,digital,etc). I guess it's for the comic retailers benefit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 09, 2016, 03:23:23 PM
I'm glad I didn't remember Wonder Woman:Earth One was out today because would've asked for it and ended up paying more than my Amazon preorder.

Buying Wonder Woman on Amazon, tho.  :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 10, 2016, 12:48:12 AM
Merged my Comixology and Amazon accounts. Would NOT recommend it, none of my payments work now. What a shitshow. Literally can't buy comics.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfp5-8vUEAEekH9.jpg)

Amazon must have fired the competent engineers and shuffled the Fire OS team to manage the service. Bunch of fuckwits. Literally can't give them my money.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on April 10, 2016, 08:09:11 AM
Worked fine for me when I did it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 10, 2016, 11:07:40 AM
Merged my Comixology and Amazon accounts. Would NOT recommend it, none of my payments work now. What a shitshow. Literally can't buy comics.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfp5-8vUEAEekH9.jpg)

Amazon must have fired the competent engineers and shuffled the Fire OS team to manage the service. Bunch of fuckwits. Literally can't give them my money.

There's always other means breh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on April 11, 2016, 10:11:13 AM
I read Rick Remender's Deadly Class Volume 1 and it was great!  Like the last 1/3rd is some Fear and Loathing type page-turner crazy entertaining stuff.  Gonna pick up the other volumes that are out.  Great art too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 11, 2016, 11:33:54 AM
Merged my Comixology and Amazon accounts. Would NOT recommend it, none of my payments work now. What a shitshow. Literally can't buy comics.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cfp5-8vUEAEekH9.jpg)

Amazon must have fired the competent engineers and shuffled the Fire OS team to manage the service. Bunch of fuckwits. Literally can't give them my money.

There's always other means breh.

(http://49.media.tumblr.com/63b19d2fa98932419fb6553a1dfd0b1f/tumblr_mk981oqrW51s8spqco1_500.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 12, 2016, 03:36:22 AM
Johns issued a few comments about Rebirth:
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As the writer of GREEN LANTERN: REBIRTH and THE FLASH: REBIRTH, the word “Rebirth” has come to mean something very important to me. It’s not a brand or a marketing tool; it never has been. To me “Rebirth” is about how to approach mythology – about how to honor and celebrate the characters and their respective universes and embrace the values they embody. It’s about the past, the present and most importantly the future.

GREEN LANTERN: REBIRTH wasn’t only about the return of Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern Corps. It was building on a great foundation with tales like “Sinestro Corps War” and “Blackest Night” – stories that challenged our heroes, redefined their villains and introduced new threats and adventures built on the core essence of the Green Lantern myth.

And if we were going to do a “Rebirth” across the DC Universe, we needed to take a hard look at where it was now. And a -Rebirth” starts with bringing something back that’s been missing…

For the DC Universe, it’s about more than just the heroes or villains we might not have seen in a while: it’s about the intrinsic values of what DC Comics and its universe stand for.

That’s epic storytelling.

That’s legacy and honoring the past, while moving it all to the future.

That’s hope.

In a world of digital cynicism and perhaps justified skepticism, I hope you’re surprised when you read the books.

I hope you’ll feel the passion the creators have for the DC Universe within their pages.

But my greatest hope is that all our readers—old and new, returning and die-hard—get a sense of the entire universe as one cohesive, living organism built on the greatest heroes and villains in the world, honoring what’s come before while looking to what will come tomorrow.

“Rebirth” is the next chapter in the ongoing saga of the DC Universe, and I can’t wait for you to experience it.

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After Johns had finished his presentation and the meeting had adjourned, one of the editors pulled the writer aside and proclaimed, “I wish I could forget everything you just said and read it as a fan.”

The sentiment was shared by many of the editors; they’d attended creator read-throughs before, but none had generated a buzz like this.

It’s Johns’ hope that he can convince fans to avoid spoilers and pick up DC UNIVERSE- REBIRTH with fresh eyes and open minds. He promises it’ll be well worth the effort for a story that’s going to fundamentally shake everything you know about the DC Universe right down to its very core.

“The themes of [DC UNIVERSE: REBIRTH] divide into four chapters,” Johns explains. “The first one is about loss. It focuses on what perhaps has gone missing in our comic books, when it comes to the DC Universe. And historically what the DC Universe really is.

“The second chapter is about legacy. That’s the main thing I feel has been lost from the DC Universe from the New 52 reboot. We’re showing a kind of secret side of the DC Universe, where legacy comes into play again.

“The next chapter is love, and it’s all about the love that’s in the DC Universe…and that which has disappeared from the DC Universe. “The fourth chapter is titled ‘Life,’ which is about both the end and beginning of life.”

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:teehee
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 13, 2016, 11:11:51 PM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/168/209/original/Gwenpool_1_cover.jpg?1460461820)
 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 13, 2016, 11:42:54 PM
Was able to get my Comixology problem fixed and buy We Are Robin. Though I read through Robin War in the meantime and I gotta say, I really kind of hate the entire "concept." And Duke Thomas is becoming the Batman version of Cyborg at this point.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 14, 2016, 08:32:29 AM
Yesterday in supporting my LCS: I bought Archer and Armstrong#2 but I think I should've bought Moon Knight instead. MK was pretty decent, high tier art, I like the "is this real or not?" stuff. Good first issue.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 15, 2016, 07:03:38 PM
lawl, is Gwenpool the first comic book character to be based on a variant cover?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I almost said obvious cash-grab variant cover, but that would be have been redundant.
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I still bought it, tho  :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 19, 2016, 01:55:28 PM
(http://www.newsarama.com/images/i/000/168/373/original/AC_Cv52_R1.jpg?1460662049)
 :holeup new52-supes man you gotta lay off the upper body workout
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 19, 2016, 02:13:51 PM
I know it's not the design necessarily but all the New 52 Supes drawings look like boxy crap.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 19, 2016, 02:47:49 PM
When they gonna bring back Electric Blue Superman?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on April 19, 2016, 11:23:40 PM
I want mullet Superman back unironically.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 20, 2016, 10:16:35 PM
American Alien Is The Best Superman Story In Ages (http://kotaku.com/american-alien-is-the-best-superman-story-in-ages-1772128282?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow)

(https://i.imgur.com/f7FdEdG.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on April 27, 2016, 08:04:01 PM
https://twitter.com/jesse_hamm/status/725339682989432833

Epic "corrected" alternate timeline for The Killing Joke.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2016, 12:11:08 PM
The Batman #52 send off of the New 52 was kinda cute.

And an issue of Powers actually got published? :wtf

Wait, Scarlet got another issue published too?!?!? :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 11, 2016, 01:05:50 PM
Yeah, Bats #52 was nice and sweet. Almost ruined by the art though, looks like a rush job which it probably was.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on May 13, 2016, 04:12:34 PM
(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--SeashPvA--/c_scale,fl_progressive,q_80,w_800/rals49eftseu1lcdjlsk.png)

 :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 13, 2016, 08:25:41 PM
Super-wrong.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bluemax on May 15, 2016, 02:08:19 AM
Detective Comics (1937) (https://www.comixology.com/Detective-Comics-1937-2011/comics-series/237?ref=c2l0ZS9saXN0L2Rlc2t0b3AvbGlzdC9zZXJpZXNMaXN0&Issues_pg=20) = #1-881
Detective Comics (2011) (https://www.comixology.com/Detective-Comics-2011/comics-series/6647?ref=c2l0ZS9saXN0L2Rlc2t0b3AvbGlzdC9zZXJpZXNMaXN0&Issues_pg=4) = #1-52

881 + 52 = 933

Detective Comics (2016) (https://www.comixology.com/Detective-Comics-2016/comics-series/71634?ref=c2l0ZS9saXN0L2Rlc2t0b3AvbGlzdC9zZXJpZXNMaXN0) starts at #934. So I guess maybe the New 52 issues might be re-numbered? Haha. So glad to have the old numbering back. But this makes me wonder, pre-New 52 Detective Comics was the "main" Batman comic where most of the crossovers spun out of and most of the revered storylines took place in. In New 52 that's been the case for Snyder's Batman, not Detective Comics. Wonder if it's gonna flip back with the return to the old numbering.

/nerdy shit no one except me cares about

I swear when I was a kid all the crossover stories started in Batman (which I had a monthly subscription to) and then I had to convince my parents to take me to the shop to get the other half of the story.

I had a subscription during one of the best periods of Batman story telling, from A Death in the Family until Knightfall.

What amazed me a few years ago was reading Morrison's Batman stuff and how he tied it all back into a weird story he wrote that I remembered thinking was super odd as a kid and somehow it all worked.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 15, 2016, 02:37:46 AM
When Morrison's stuff works, it fucking works.

When it doesn't, it comes off as pretentious drivel.

No in-between with his writing, lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 15, 2016, 10:20:55 AM
Darwyn  Cooke passed on from cancer.

A tremendous loss.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 17, 2016, 05:49:37 PM
DC has a new logo. In the less than twelves years we've gone from this:

(http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/d/d7/Dc-bullet.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/480?cb=20140315174514)

to this:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/0/0e/DC_Logo.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/500?cb=20140315170817)

to this:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/1/12/New_DC_logo.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/335?cb=20130213193308)

to now this:

(http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/f/fc/DC_Rebirth_Logo.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/480?cb=20160517164738)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 17, 2016, 07:25:55 PM
That is ugly as hell.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rufus on May 17, 2016, 07:26:59 PM
The C is so close to looking like an upside down G.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on May 17, 2016, 08:17:05 PM
They should go back to the Captain America shield, I liked that one.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on May 17, 2016, 08:21:35 PM
It's like it's coming at you, which seems to fit DC these days. Being aggressive and shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 17, 2016, 09:04:05 PM
Nothing will top the bullets one. That shit lasted 30 years for a reason.

I don't hate the new one, I think my least favorite one in that list is the "swirl" from 2005 to 2012. At least the animation they used for it in movies looked cool, though. Better than the "peel" which is still a better logo overall.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 17, 2016, 09:11:34 PM
That new one is the worst of the lot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 17, 2016, 10:31:05 PM
The depressing thing is that this fan edit with very minor tweaks looks 1000x better:

(http://imgur.com/nQAMfdGl.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 17, 2016, 11:12:40 PM
Looks like Deadpool's belt buckle.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on May 18, 2016, 12:10:46 AM
I did a fan edit of the logo too

mildly  :nsfw
http://imgur.com/DLiHLZe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 18, 2016, 12:22:36 AM
I did a fan edit of the logo too

mildly  :nsfw
http://imgur.com/DLiHLZe

:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2016, 05:27:42 PM
It's like the one they had in the 70's:
(http://www.geekrest.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/DC_Comics_Logo_History21.jpg)

I liked the peel for some reason.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 21, 2016, 02:51:06 AM
'72 and '76 are the only acceptable logos there.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 21, 2016, 03:09:10 AM
DC Universe Rebirth #1 leaked and it's fucking bonkers apparently.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Hand of God responsible for creating the DCU is Dr. Manhattan from Watchmen.

There are three Jokers.

White Wally West is back.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2016, 08:24:54 AM
Will spoilers even though it's all out there:
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Reading it in context it actually sorta works with Johns' concept of rolling back to before the first Crisis. And I think it's probably the least objectionable thing Moore could see someone do with Watchmen.

The whole thing actually has some similarities to Moore's Supreme run (which is amazing) in terms of rewriting things back to the "Silver Age" and since Watchmen is often considered to be the usher of the "Dark Age" I'm actually kinda interested in how they're going to use it to restore all the DC Universes. In effect, the work (along with Miller's TDKR) that derailed it all is being used to "fix" it.
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One thing that's kinda dumb, putting this out the same week as the end of the Darkseid War and BEFORE Hitch's Justice League of America's final issue comes out. I stupidly read it before reading everything else and it completely spoils, the well known for months now, ending to the plots in those books and the Superman books. But whatever, I'll have to re-read it anyway to make sense of it. I always stupidly read them as they come out instead of waiting, the biggest mistake was doing that with Batman R.I.P. and Final Crisis...okay, basically anything Grant Morrison writes. (Except The Multiversity oddly enough.)

Another thing about Rebirth, is that with the New 52 series all ending and the writers knowing when their issues were ending, I'm looking back on it better now. Everybody knew it was getting wiped away and all the writers/teams were changing so they plotted out actual endings to their runs. Something that didn't happen with Flashpoint or Infinite Crisis.

DCYou was a disaster for the most part as I have no idea what it was supposed to do, but not like the start of the New 52 was. They lost the plot almost immediately. I can't see Rebirth being a worse launch, it's almost impossible. The last, two-ish years patched up a lot of holes due to everyone setting up their final arcs.

One little thing I liked about all the Convergence tie-ins (even if most of them were straight garbage) and also Futures End was that they had all this self-contained canon* that existed preserved and untouched by the rest of the DC Universe. I'm a continuity fan boy, and also a HYPERTIME/EVERYTHING IS CANON proponent, but I wouldn't mind DC doing some of their books as self-contained or existing outside the mainstream universe. Like the old Legends of the Dark Knight series, I loved that even when it lost its original focus of "early Batman stories" and just became CRAZY BATMAN STORIES.

On the non-DC front, I've been reading the Marvel Masterworks the library district has, so #1+ for Spider-Man, Daredevil, Thor, Iron Man, etc. A lot of it is simply amazing in terms of being 50 years dated. Top two moments, Jane in Thor daydreaming about dating Thor and it being her ironing his cape and cutting his hair. And then Spider-Man having a check written out to Spider-Man and trying to cash it. Runner-up "And then because she IS a female..." "She's fainted!"

And then around 1967 everyone, especially Mary Jane, starts talking in some completely incomprehensible slang. It's the end, dad. And seriously every other issue Aunt May is fainting or having a heart attack and Peter wants to give up being Spider-Man. And there's a recurring doctor who basically accuses him repeatedly of slowly killing Aunt May.

Also, like some of the worst villains of all-time. Paste-Pot Pete is a top favorite. Just some dude dressed like Jack Nicholson from Batman 1989 when he goes to the art museum who has a gun that shoots paste out of it. Amazing! Also, the amazingly bad science is incredible. The Human Torch, who from like issue one is established as basically being able to turn into a supernova, is constantly thwarted by simple layers of asbestos. All of Iron Man's insane technology is constantly explained as TRANSISTOR POWERED. Nothing about some of Spider-Man/Daredevil's powers make any sense. And then there's literally everything involving space or the military. I love it.

Actually, Marvel should launch a new imprint where they just use these old scripts and dialogue exactly but draw new art. It'd probably take less than six months for someone to write about Marvel's new controversial and dark take on superheroes. Because in retrospect everyone in the Marvel Universe seems like a psychopath or sociopath, kinda like that website about how Doug Funnie has severe mental issues.

And leave in all of Stan Lee's dickish editor notes. Especially the ones where he insults the artists as being garbage storytellers unlike him. And when he gives them shitty nicknames while all his are great. It's like Norm MacDonald's routine about the Fantastic Four.

Arguably the best thing though is the storyline about Flash Thompson being drafted into Vietnam. Everyone is hyped as fuck about how great it is and how much fun he gets to have with Harry and Peter and others lamenting they don't get to be drafted. :lol

FACE FRONT!

Third party comics, read The Infinite Horizon. Kinda wished it was a longer series rather than six issues. Finally got back to restart and finish The Authority. Such whiplash, much wow stop.

*The one with Harley Quinn was fun, how she was living a normal-ish life in that walled off Gotham but they didn't lard it on with flashbacks, just dumped you into her then status.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: TVC15 on May 25, 2016, 08:44:59 AM
Started reading Saga. Pretty good. Reminds me of The Incal, with less charm. I doubt it will get as heady based on how it's been so far, but still, pretty nice.

Any other recs on what else I should check out on Comixology Unlimited?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 25, 2016, 12:23:31 PM
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/171/314/original/REBIRTH-splash-small.jpg?1464133929)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 25, 2016, 12:25:59 PM
Man I still don't get the point of Tim's new suit.

It's his original Robin suit

But he's still called "Red Robin"? What the fuck

Great picture though. Nice to see some smiles in comics for once.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 25, 2016, 12:47:39 PM
Poor J'onn :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on May 25, 2016, 08:20:47 PM
whelp Marvel done fucked up

http://www.comicbookresources.com/article/captain-america-steve-rogers-reveals-caps-shocking-spoiler

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Steve Rogers has been Hydra the whole time? buuuuullshit
(http://www.comicbookresources.com/imgsrv/imglib/450/0/1/Cap2-e1bee.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 26, 2016, 12:42:18 AM
Super dumb.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 26, 2016, 01:31:21 PM
It'll be reversed in like two months anyway.

Yup.  My bet is that it's either A) The Red Skull's doing (he has part of Prof. X's brain in his head, giving him his powers) or B) an imposter Cap, but it's regardless, it's safe to say that this is being done for the big Civil War II crossover event coming up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 26, 2016, 02:24:26 PM
DC Comics: Rebirth #1 was excellent. The near-death of Wally only to be brought back into a hug with Barry filled me with warm fuzzies.

Gonna be a crazy ride seeing how all this shit goes down. Three Jokers, Constantine + Swamp Thing vs. "the capes," Dr. Manhattan being a dick and god of the DCU... Hyped.

For some reason, after the Flash-hug my favorite part of the issue was seeing pre-Flashpoint Supes. I really need to pick up that series. I think I've realized that New 52 Supes was never "my" Superman. The old one was. Part of it was probably Romita Jr.'s horrid art but still. I was able to accept New 52 Bats, Red Robin, and others, but that Superman never looked or felt right to me. Just a pretender.

(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/163/569/i02/SMLOCL_4_07_600.jpg?1453935801)

(http://insidepulse.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Rebirth-Superman-concept-art-DC-Rebirth-2.jpg)

The king is back. :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 26, 2016, 02:37:58 PM
Read Justice League #50, Superman #52, and then Rebirth.

The Darkseid War's big ending/reveals are:
--The Batman three Jokers thing we know about already
--Owlman stealing the Moebius chair and then getting fried by (off-panel) Dr. Manhattan (now that we know he's the new 'big bad')
--Ultrawoman's baby becomes Darkseid's reborn body.  He is regressed back into an infant and taken by Grail, the evil Amazon.
--All the Injustice League people are now dead, including the evil Power Ring ring itself.
--Wonder Woman has a twin brother named Jason somewhere.

-Superman #52 ends the last days of Superman storyline.  It was pretty weak.  We had the pre New-52 Superman from the Lois & Clark comic reveal himself but it didn't make much of an impact.  He's just like "I exist and will tell you about myself later, then leaves.  :lol  Superman dies after a burst of energy and turns to ash.  What's important here is that his energy clearly hits Lois (hence the Superwoman comic coming) AND Lana.  It's kind of hard to care as much since there's the other Superman around, plus China Super-Man, plus Lex Luthor Iron Man Superman, plus Supergirl, plus Superboy, plus Steel, plus Superwoman, plus blah blah too many fucking Super characters.  Two more if you want to throw in Earth-2 Superman and Powergirl.

-Rebirth stuff is already out there.  It was enjoyable enough, I guess, but if you aren't that familiar with Wally West the impact is kind of lost.  That's me.  Their reasoning for there being two Wally Wests is also stupid-- Cac Wally says that black Wally is a cousin and they happened to both be named after the same person AND both got speed powers. 
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 26, 2016, 03:05:00 PM
The cousin thing works for me. Otherwise you have two characters who are the same person in the same universe with the same powers doing the same shit. That's just not scalable long-term. At least this way they're not supposed to be the same person.

I didn't really care a whole lot for Wally but as a big Teen Titans fan it was a great moment all the same. My crew was always Tim/Bart/Conner.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 26, 2016, 03:16:19 PM
The cousin thing works for me. Otherwise you have two characters who are the same person in the same universe with the same powers doing the same shit. That's just not scalable long-term.

Seemed to work out just fine for Superman.  They opened the door for all that kind of stuff with Convergence anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 26, 2016, 03:40:58 PM
It didn't work out for Superman. He died, yo. :lol It's pretty clear to me you can't have more than one of the same person in the same universe for very long.

They're cousins, bam. Works for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 03:43:57 PM
I didn't really care a whole lot for Wally but as a big Teen Titans fan it was a great moment all the same. My crew was always Tim/Bart/Conner.
(http://static8.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/0/4/74546-9420-76637-1-young-justice.jpg)(http://static3.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_large/0/4/55184-9420-76640-1-young-justice.jpg)

Cassie :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 26, 2016, 03:55:20 PM
(http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/5/52610/1173979-126852337425.gif)

I fucking loved these dorks. :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 26, 2016, 09:22:30 PM
The Marvel Mythos one-shot series (2006-2008) by Paul Jenkins with fully painted art by Paolo Rivera was quite nice.  Gorgeous and well-written retellings of the various Marvel origin stories in a since issue.  Felt quality.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 26, 2016, 09:37:11 PM
IIRC, it was originally supposed to be eight issues (Thor and ..an Avengers one maybe?) but the painting took so long they missed every single one of the three year deadlines.

The ending of that Cap issue mang. dem feels.

Marvel did something similar with their Season One line which were also intended as "reimagined and updated" origin stories with unique art for people coming in to the comics from the movies. Way more hit and miss and generally safe than Mythos. I quite liked the Hulk one though. And Daredevil was interesting in that they tried to fit all of the actual first year of absurd 1960's stories in.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 26, 2016, 11:40:10 PM
Yeah, I can imagine.  The art was so good.  I wish that kind of art style didn't take so much time and effort to do in comics because I'd love more comics to be that beautiful. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on May 27, 2016, 12:43:46 PM
My girlfriend is right smack dab in the middle of dealing with the wackos harassing Marvel employees on twitter/email about the recent Cap America book's ending.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 29, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
This color scheme really rustles my jimmies.

(http://i.imgur.com/I6ww5Se.jpg)

WHY IS IT GREEN IF HE'S "RED" ROBIN

It continues to blow my mind that they're still fucking this up five years later. He already had three great suits!

(http://pre01.deviantart.net/fcfb/th/pre/i/2013/080/3/e/tim_drake___oyl_robin_by_phil_cho-d5yti4p.jpg)

(http://media.ignimgs.com/media/ign/imgs/minisites/topN/comic-book-heroes/32_TimDrake.jpg)

(https://41.media.tumblr.com/198a91fafcf7920e28fb7545173626ac/tumblr_inline_o3t5zgr8CE1rd2c91_540.png)

JUST USE THESE
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 29, 2016, 11:23:04 PM
Anything is better than that last New 52 costume.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 30, 2016, 01:10:15 AM
Read the first volume of Preacher after watching the first episode of the TV adaptation.  Answered most of my questions from the TV show.  Otoh, I dunno if the series is for me.  I like Ennis/Dillion's ultra fucked up dark violence in his Punisher run because it turns the Punisher into a cartoon ren & stimpy joke character of videogame violence that you laugh at, but in Preacher while it's also dark humor, the ultra-violence fucked up style is just kinda gross for me.  Also because they basically answered all the initial plot mysteries in the first volume, there's not much of a hook.  Preacher and crew go off looking for god for 9 volumes just doesn't sound that interesting to me, though I'm sure it's a good series since it's a critically well-received one.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 30, 2016, 01:47:58 AM
Read the first volume of Preacher after watching the first episode of the TV adaptation.  Answered most of my questions from the TV show.  Otoh, I dunno if the series is for me.  I like Ennis/Dillion's ultra fucked up dark violence in his Punisher run because it turns the Punisher into a cartoon ren & stimpy joke character of videogame violence that you laugh at, but in Preacher while it's also dark humor, the ultra-violence fucked up style is just kinda gross for me.  Also because they basically answered all the initial plot mysteries in the first volume, there's not much of a hook.  Preacher and crew go off looking for god for 9 volumes just doesn't sound that interesting to me, though I'm sure it's a good series since it's a critically well-received one.
It's the journey more than the destination. It's about massive entities protecting their interests. It is about believing in one's self when things we idolized prove to have feet of clay. It's about the perseverance of love even when it's difficult, or against the individual's self interest. It's also about blood, gore, and absolutely toilet-tier humor. It's a horror show, but I loved it.

The TV show is off to an OK start, but there is no way in the world they're going to stick with the story's actual ending. Some Timothy McVeigh type would drive a truck full of fertilizer explosives into Seth Rogen's house.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 30, 2016, 04:43:36 AM
Read the first volume of Preacher after watching the first episode of the TV adaptation.  Answered most of my questions from the TV show.  Otoh, I dunno if the series is for me.  I like Ennis/Dillion's ultra fucked up dark violence in his Punisher run because it turns the Punisher into a cartoon ren & stimpy joke character of videogame violence that you laugh at, but in Preacher while it's also dark humor, the ultra-violence fucked up style is just kinda gross for me.  Also because they basically answered all the initial plot mysteries in the first volume, there's not much of a hook.  Preacher and crew go off looking for god for 9 volumes just doesn't sound that interesting to me, though I'm sure it's a good series since it's a critically well-received one.
It's the journey more than the destination. It's about massive entities protecting their interests. It is about believing in one's self when things we idolized prove to have feet of clay. It's about the perseverance of love even when it's difficult, or against the individual's self interest. It's also about blood, gore, and absolutely toilet-tier humor. It's a horror show, but I loved it.

The TV show is off to an OK start, but there is no way in the world they're going to stick with the story's actual ending. Some Timothy McVeigh type would drive a truck full of fertilizer explosives into Seth Rogen's house.

idk, I think I'm just not in the mood for mean-spirited comics anymore.  Like when I was younger there was definitely a time where really dark fucked up comics/manga were cool, but in my 30s eh, it's just not enjoyable seeing the majority of non-important character introduced get murdered in gruesome horrible ways.  Maybe I'd like it better if the main Preacher character seemed a little more of a decent guy, which I think they're trying to do in the TV show, but the first volume of the comic he has almost no redeeming values, same with Tulip.  Cassidy actually seems like the most decent human being of the trio, which is ironic.

I mean I'm not a fan of the other extreme either, where everything's happy and by the book cliche.  Obviously that stuff feels kiddy and predictable at this point, but then so does the ultra-violence mean-spirited stuff (in the predictable sense, not kiddy-sense).  These days I enjoy stuff more in the middle, where things can go dark at times when necessary or for realism, but the dark works and has more impact because it's not always trying to be dark and edgy.  Like Y the Last Man is a good example.  There things often go wrong and bleak and innocent people die, but it's not all the time and there's still hope and good likeable characters.  I need a balance of that stuff for me to really enjoy a story whether it's in movie/game/comic form.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 30, 2016, 06:58:01 AM
FWIW, Alan Moore agrees with you. Other people here can speak more specifically about it, but from interviews my impression is that he regrets being the catalyst that sent everything into grimdark serious land.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 31, 2016, 10:24:54 PM
So I said all that but then I was curious and ended up reading Vol.2 and kept reading and made it through issue 40 last night lol probably finish Preacher tonight or tomorrow.  Not sure if I like it, but it's entertaining.  I can see the TV show be better in some areas if they're smart enough to cut some of the weaker parts out.  Like the whole Cassidy/Tulip thing ("oh no don't tell Jesse") that drags on in the middle is pretty bad and detracting from everything else.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: eleuin on May 31, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
The Cap ending has spawned a pretty awesome meme  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on June 01, 2016, 12:44:36 AM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHQhguh2YQGufra/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2016, 08:34:03 AM
I found Superman: Rebirth to be way better than Batman: Rebirth. The latter was kinda silly, especially after Batman #52 was a nice finale.

Both of them seem like they exist to put two #1's out and quickly explain some stuff left hanging between the end of New 52 and the debut of the new books so the new writers don't have to spend any time on it since things are crossing over publishing date wise.

Hopefully some of the others turn out better. Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Titans...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 01, 2016, 01:56:19 PM
Comixology is having a massive sale on New 52 comics in order to get people ready for Rebirth. (https://www.comixology.com/DC-Universe-Rebirth-101-Sale/page/10883?ref=c2l0ZS9pbmRleC9kZXNrdG9wL3NtYWxsQ2Fyb3VzZWw)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 01, 2016, 07:25:53 PM
Finished reading Preacher.  Hmmm, was alright.  I don't think I'll watch the show.  I really disliked how the 2nd half focused primarily on the love triangle and how Tulip is basically a character just used as a plot device for Jesse/Cassidy's relationship.  The tone is all over the fucking place with Herr Starr becoming a looney toons-esque total comic villain.  Like by the end the series is way more a comedy than it starts trying to be edge dark cool.  Jesse was an ok lead but his morality was all over the place and often he'd make totally weird out of character decisions like
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when he's the sheriff of the texas town and gets to know this old german guy trying to make a second life for himself and then at the end of the arc he finds out the guy was a german war criminal and the guy asks for second chances and jesse gives the old guy a noose and tells him to hang himself.

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and I never really thought he was that compelling lead the series needed.  Cassidy was just alright too by the end.  All the heaven/hell supernatural type stuff was barely used in the 2nd half and it wasn't particularly stabbing at religion or controversial in today's age of picking apart religion in media.  Hell I just finished the final boss of Shin Megami Tensei IV Final the other week where:

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You kill god by using atheist arguments to deconstruct the concept of the one true god.
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  Maybe it was more shocking in the 90s.  At the end of the day it was entertaining, Ennis is good at that, but I wish the 2nd half had been a lot stronger and more interesting and less love triangle angst straight out of a manga.  To a degree, with a lot of the tropes, angst and ultra-violence it feels very manga-esque.

 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 01, 2016, 08:06:56 PM
Thinking more about Jesse, it's such a weird lead character.  Like I get that he's supposed to be a guy with some good and bad in him which is why he is bonded with Genesis.  But the way he's written, it's less like an anti-hero (Saint of Killers is more like that), and more like a bipolar person who on some pages will use his powers to rob a bank, orl kill or beat-up a non-bad guy just cause he's annoyed and then will turn around and save a person or stop a crime on a different page.  I guess I find it just makes him feel less consistent like a believable character you can kind of root for and more like a sorta interesting but kind of crazy character you just sort of follow to see where the story goes.  I guess that's one aspect they can kind of work on in the TV adaptation. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 01, 2016, 10:33:24 PM
Civil War II was not what I expected.  Found it to be just OK.  They also seem to be building this up to be Team Iron Man vs. Team Captain....Marvel, not America.

The plot centers around a new Inhuman who gets visions of the future.  I guess Bendis was watching the last season of Shield on TV?

The divide is over using him to stop things before they happen.  It ends with
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War Machine dead after Captain Marvel and the Ultimates try going after Thanos, because of a vision the Inhuman guy had.  She-Hulk is also on life support and may be dead.  I hope Bendis doesn't kill her off too.  :/
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2016, 01:45:25 AM
My only issue with Preacher is as you said:

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The entire love triangle arc and the whole sheriff stuff, which felt like filler before the actual end game. Cassidy is a piece of shit anyway as much as I love him, the whole love triangle thing wasn't needed to get them to fight and the whole sheriff thing didn't amount to anything.
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I love the comic, warts and all. But I can see where you're coming from. The show sucks so I wouldn't really watch it anyway.
I've not read that part since its initial release, but I remember the "love triangle" only being about Cassidy being a horrible, abusive, needy, pathetic walking shitstain. It was on him; Cassidy used another person's addiction to get them addicted to him. If I had any empathy for Cassidy, that sequence destroyed it utterly.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 02, 2016, 09:18:17 PM
http://imgur.com/gallery/h2my0

New to me.

Long, but good and thought-provoking.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 02, 2016, 09:36:31 PM
Superman: Rebirth #1 was fun in a really comic-geeky way.  It's clearly written for long-time DC fans who know the Death of Superman arc, but it does a decent job of setting Supes up for a full return in his own series.

Batman: Rebirth #1 was sort of a waste of time. It's comforting and annoying at the same time to see Tim King fellate Duke Thomas with the same fervor as Scott Snyder did. But at least Scott created him so it's kinda understandable. Duke is slightly more interesting than Bat-Wing, but that's not saying a whole lot. Also, his bright yellow suit and hero name ("Lark") are so laughably out of place in the Batman universe I don't know what else to say. Yeah, Robin has bright colors and a bird-based name, but that role was invented in 1940. At least try to keep it classy.

(His suit is also easily confused with Kid Flash's yellow getup IMO.)

http://imgur.com/gallery/h2my0

New to me.

Long, but good and thought-provoking.

Saw it coming.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 03, 2016, 09:38:57 AM
Read all four Rebirths from this week.  Green Arrow was by far the best, Superman was OK, and Batman and Green Lantern were sort of just there.  Not bad, but more of the same. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 03, 2016, 06:43:49 PM
Read all the Preacher spin-off comics.  One thing I really have to say is Ennis did a great job in the series making entertaining characters.  Even the spin-offs about terrible characters like Jody and the guy who fucks animals are highly entertaining.  Like I'd always be down to read Preacher stuff because it'd just be fun to see the characters hang out and get into adventures.  I think in this way Preacher is a good fit for a TV series.  Once you establish the main 3 characters, you can just make them get into episodic arcs and it'll be entertaining because they're fun to watch.

I guess my takeway from Preacher is that I enjoyed the characters a lot, but the actually story was just ok.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHQhguh2YQGufra/giphy.gif)

I just learned about this and wtf this is the dumbest retcon I've ever seen.  It really doesn't work continuity-wise at all.  Then again I'm still back in 2006 on my Marvel catch-up so maybe it will make sense when I get to 2016.  About to get to Civil War 1 (yay :\). 



My only issue with Preacher is as you said:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The entire love triangle arc and the whole sheriff stuff, which felt like filler before the actual end game. Cassidy is a piece of shit anyway as much as I love him, the whole love triangle thing wasn't needed to get them to fight and the whole sheriff thing didn't amount to anything.
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I love the comic, warts and all. But I can see where you're coming from. The show sucks so I wouldn't really watch it anyway.
I've not read that part since its initial release, but I remember the "love triangle" only being about Cassidy being a horrible, abusive, needy, pathetic walking shitstain. It was on him; Cassidy used another person's addiction to get them addicted to him. If I had any empathy for Cassidy, that sequence destroyed it utterly.

But see, Cassidy wasn't that way until Ennis decided to make his character's past into that. 
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  Like if you don't know anything about Cassidy's past and you just judge him by his actions in the comic, he's a sad tragic character who is lonely and a screw up but acts all cool and uses humor to hide his feelings, and really wants to fit in and have a friend in Jesse. 

At first he's a guy and when he's drunk he hits on Tulip because it's not that weird or bad, that when he's been spending every day with only one female, who the characters seem to find really hot, that he develops feelings and when he's drunk he hits on her.  Like I don't look down on him at all for that, even Jesse almost cheats on Tulip with her friend Amy in the past when the 3 are spending a lot of time together as shown in one of the spin-offs. 

But then Ennis decided to keep pushing Cassidy as a shitty person, and have him start suddenly putting on more pressure on Tulip and being a dick about it and then taking advantage while Jesse's gone.  Then he goes into the flashback and makes him out into a horrible person.  Basically, all of this was totally unnecessary.  In the end Jesse even forgives him and takes his hand.  That ending sequence would have worked even without all of this crap and just if Cassidy tried to get with Tulip behind his back.

Anyhow, all that stuff was stupid and angsty and tropey and it wasted the good character of Cassidy, fucked up the enjoyable dynamic of the trio, turned Tulip into nothing but a plot device for Jesse/Cassidy, introduced a lot of secrets and drama about "Should I tell Jesse??".  It was all negative material that brought down otherwise enjoyable material going on in the story.  It doesn't sink the story but it was unnecessary and just makes it a lot worse.  It's the kind of stuff I expect in teenage comics.
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I really hope the show just dodges that all aspect.  Like if the show just established the 3 as a group and then has them going off on adventures, it'll be a fun show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 04, 2016, 04:44:13 PM
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3oEjHQhguh2YQGufra/giphy.gif)

So, about this.  Nobody is mentioning what actually happens at the end:

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Cap is given two younger USA themed heroes to work with that he teamed up with in the past, IIRC.  I forget the girl's name but the guy is Jack Flag.  At the end, Cap is in a quinjet-like ship fighting Baron Zemo.  Jack jumps aboard to help.  Cap straight pushes him right out of the jet to his death before uttering "hail hydra".
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Cold blooded.

As for why this happened, it has to be because of the Red Skull.  If you read the first issue, you'll notice that the black and white flashback scenes all have touches of red.  This has got to be symbolizing that it was the Red Skull fucking with Cap's memories.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2016, 08:30:45 PM
Detective Comics #934 preview. (http://www.avclub.com/article/gothams-young-heroes-start-their-training-detectiv-237683) :preach
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2016, 10:43:59 PM
Detective Comics returns to its original numbering tomorrow!

Issue #934 hits tomorrow and I'm excited. :hyper

Quote
This is finally the book where I get to pay all that off and bring them forward. And I get to do it, also, side by side with Tim Drake, Red Robin, who is literally my favorite character that exists in all of comics. Every single issue of this run, I think, will show how much I really love the character, because he's right at the heart of what they're building here.

James Tynion with that epic sweet-talking for my favorite comic character. (http://www.newsarama.com/29601-detective-comics-teams-batwoman-batman-and-young-heroes-including-new-costume-for-tim-drake.html) :preach

Quote
But the heart of Rebirth was the idea of reclaiming the past while building a new and powerful future. And that is right at the heart of this book.

I mean, we put Tim Drake back in a much more familiar costume!

I appreciate the thought but I still don't get why Red Robin's costume has... green. :wtf His red/black suit post-Infinite Crisis was easily his most popular one.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 11, 2016, 06:58:26 PM
I read Volume 1 of Warren Ellis' Injection and it was sooooooooo good.  Super pumped for Volume 2 in August.  Really need to stop reading all these hip new indie comic volumes 1s because I want to read the whole series at once and not follow it slowly for 6 years.  So far Descender, Deadly Class and Injection have all been 4/4 perfect and now I'm following all three damnit.

What are some really good 4/4 A+++ non-Marvel/DC comics from like 5-10 years ago that are finished?  I've read Y: The Last Man, The Losers, Preacher, maybe a couple of others but that's off the top of my head.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2016, 05:57:09 AM
Batman #1  :omg :neogaf :gladbron :lawd

that's how you relaunch a series  :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 15, 2016, 12:54:49 PM
Well that tells us a lot, thanks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 17, 2016, 01:54:18 AM
Started reading Locke & Key because I thought it was only 6 issues so hey why not.  Found out at the end it's like 6 volumes of 6 issues each :X  But now I wanna know what happens even if it's stupid edgy and the art is awful.  Also I thought I was gonna like Joe Hill since I thought Horns was flawed but neat, but I picked up his 20th Century Ghosts short story anthology that's supposed to be his best writing and I couldn't even finish the book it was so lame.  I'll give Locke & Key the whole series but if it's not good by the end I'm done with Joe Hill and he ain't his dad Stephen King by any stretch.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 17, 2016, 11:27:39 AM
Well that tells us a lot, thanks.

Batman basically has to stop a plane from hitting a building, and does so by riding on top of it, strapping a jet to one side, and turning it 90 degrees so it flies between the buildings. Just as it's about to hit the water and Batman dies, it's stopped by two Superman-esque "heroes" wearing "Bat"-themed clothing.

Personally I didn't really care for it (best part was Alfred the G), but I'm intrigued to see where it goes.

Anyways I forgot Detective Comics is bimonthly and I'm much more excited for next Wednesday's issue. Timmy!!! :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 17, 2016, 11:47:12 AM
Are those two 'heroes' the ones literally calling themselves "Gotham?"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 17, 2016, 12:02:48 PM
Are those two 'heroes' the ones literally calling themselves "Gotham?"

Yes. Gotham and Gotham-Girl (I think?)

Dumb as fuck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 17, 2016, 12:18:10 PM
I'm more interested in the other "Batman" running around in Detective Comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 17, 2016, 12:21:45 PM
I'm more interested in the other "Batman" running around in Detective Comics.

Same.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 17, 2016, 10:50:36 PM
It's the tone of Batman, Gordon and Alfred..and Duke...in the dialogue throughout, not the silly "reveal" at the end. They're all just nonchalant about it, "for me it was Tuesday" while everyone else is freaking out over one 747 passenger plane about to smash into the center of Gotham. "Tell [the JLA] we're fine." Bruce and Alfred discussing the height of buildings, distances, wingspan of the plane, etc.

Bruce: I'm going to push it into the water.
Gordon: Are you listening?!? They're telling us -- Wait, did you say "push"? Where are you?
Bruce: I'm on the plane.
Gordon: Oh. Of course. You're on the plane.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2016, 07:19:42 AM
Been going through some non-DC/Marvel, mainly associated with Ed Brubaker or Greg Rucka.

Fatale (Complete) - I liked the individual arcs coming together but I'm not sure I actually did like this for dropping the uninteresting aspects for the less so relationships.
Lazarus (Ongoing) - This is sorta fun, the world is maybe more interesting than the ongoing plot, and they stick additional text at the end of each issue fleshing that out.
The Fade Out (Complete) - There's a strange, but I think intentional incoherence or fog to this. It did make it kinda frustrating though.
Criminal (Complete) - Only read the first two so far, but I like how the arcs are connecting through being the same world even though they stand independently.
The Walking Dead (Ongoing) - Mainly, I came back to this after five years away or so. The TV show actually caught up and got past where I had stopped years back. I liked the time skip. Also the establishing of a world outside of Rick and whoever he's hanging out with this arc. But I also like that we've got a Negan emoticon now:
 :dice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2016, 07:50:05 AM
What are some really good 4/4 A+++ non-Marvel/DC comics from like 5-10 years ago that are finished?  I've read Y: The Last Man, The Losers, Preacher, maybe a couple of others but that's off the top of my head.
Since all three of those are DC (Vertigo), I'll assume that's an exception. I didn't go back to see if you've read any.

Ones I liked, or thought were interesting enough to go through:
100 Bullets
DMZ
Ex Machina
Fables
Fallen Angel
Loveless
Lucifer
Queen and Country
Spaceman
Stray Bullets (technically started again after a decade hiatus)

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Starman
The Sandman
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2016, 04:01:12 PM
Starman
The Sandman

Look at this DC filth.  :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 18, 2016, 04:17:26 PM
Finished reading through all of Locke & Key last night.  Hmmmm.  There's a fun harry potter-ish story in there about magic keys and family, demons and history, but the grim-dark I hate the world edgy mean-spirited over-violence of it all really brings it down for me.  I mean it's the kind of comic where any side-character is most likely going to die by the end just because the comic likes killing everyone.  Also I'm not a big fan of long stories where the good guys never make any progress and the bad guy(s) keep winning at every opportunity until the very last page of the story some 40 issues later.  That can work in a 2 hour movie, but when stretched out in a long story it's just not satisfying.  The best parts in Locke & Key are the one-shots from different time periods because the formula works a lot better over a single issue and mixing magic and demons with historic eras is fun.  It's not bad, but I didn't particularly like it overall.  Just not a fan of Joe Hill. 

What are some really good 4/4 A+++ non-Marvel/DC comics from like 5-10 years ago that are finished?  I've read Y: The Last Man, The Losers, Preacher, maybe a couple of others but that's off the top of my head.
Since all three of those are DC (Vertigo), I'll assume that's an exception. I didn't go back to see if you've read any.

Ones I liked, or thought were interesting enough to go through:
100 Bullets
DMZ
Ex Machina
Fables
Fallen Angel
Loveless
Lucifer
Queen and Country
Spaceman
Stray Bullets (technically started again after a decade hiatus)

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Starman
The Sandman
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Thanks, I have 100 bullets/stray bullets and I didn't realize Fables was finished, so I'll check those out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 18, 2016, 06:50:05 PM
Oh, I didn't know Fables had ended, either! Time to finish my collection and read up. I'm a (long-suffering) fan of Willingham. I met him at the 1983 SDCC when he launched Elementals. I even love his old, single-page D&D advertisements in comic books. I am super curious about whatever he's developing next.

Dude needs to lose about 50 lbs. though.

his for dropping the uninteresting aspects for the less so relationships.
Lazarus (Ongoing) - This is sorta fun, the world is maybe more interesting than the ongoing plot, and they stick additional text at the end of each issue fleshing that out.
Comixology had the trades on sale, and I loved v1 and 2, so I grabbed v3 and 4.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 18, 2016, 10:43:54 PM
Wait, Fables ended?
Wikipodium says July 2015. Time to re-read Ironwood.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2016, 11:21:44 PM
The spin-off The Wolf Among Us which is roughly based off the game is still going. I don't think Willingham has anything to do with it.

IIRC, there was a huge gap between Fables #149 and the final issue, #150 because #150 was published as its own TPB. EDIT: #149 was published in February 2015, #150 didn't come out until the end of July 2015.

Fairest also ended in February 2015. Jack of Fables had ended years earlier.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2016, 11:29:57 PM
I was going to list Powers but then I remembered that it's just on unintentional hiatus that may turn into a new volume yet again.
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Vol. 1 #1–37
Vol. 2 #1–30
Vol. 3 #1–11
Powers: Bureau Vol.1 #1–11
Vol. 4 #1–current

Volume Four is currently on issue #6 which came out last month, while #5 had come out like back in November or something.

There was over a year gap between Volume Three #7 and #8. Then every single issue of Bureau I think came out on time before they launched a new volume again. :lol

The volumes don't actually work as cut-off points that well. I think some of the collected TPBs don't even have some issues because they cut off at the arc and don't bother with like the next two issues which came before another volume started and left everything on a cliffhanger. (There's like a hardcover COMPLETE COLLECTION that just collects them all in issue order.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2016, 11:41:34 PM
That reminds me that Fallen Angel isn't technically ended either. Just that #34 has been scheduled as "coming soon" for like five years or something and Peter David wrote two mini-series instead that just happened to wrap up some ongoing plot points.

It also technically doesn't start with (the first) issue #1 because David's been increasingly clear that a lot of it picks up where his run on Supergirl more or less ended and Linda Danvers more or less joins the comic later on.
Quote from: Peter David
Can I say this is Linda Danvers? Of course I can't. However, it's pretty freaking obvious that it is.

But then I never thought Stray Bullets #41 would ever actually be published either. So Fallen Angel #34 might be out in 2021.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 19, 2016, 12:33:41 AM
Is Fables worth it?  That's a lot of issues.  I read the first 5 issue arc a week or two ago which got me interested in the game.  I liked the first arc, just wanna hear it's worth the commitment to read the whole thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 19, 2016, 01:30:42 AM
The Adversary mystery/plot that forms the first third or so of the series is one of my favorites. It does go a bit downhill after that for a period as if Willingham never intended to go beyond The Adversary. I liked the Literals arc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 19, 2016, 11:26:27 PM
The Adversary mystery/plot that forms the first third or so of the series is one of my favorites. It does go a bit downhill after that for a period as if Willingham never intended to go beyond The Adversary. I liked the Literals arc.
I thought I had read more of the series than I did, if that's the first ⅓ of it. I've got 10 or so trade paperbacks, but some of them are miniseries. Willingham's novel, Peter and Max, was very good, too. As far as The Adversary, I was disappointed that it didn't turn out to be
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Walt Disney, or Disney Corporation.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 23, 2016, 12:03:40 AM
Detective Comics #935

I may not like his costume, but underneath it, you know what? It's fucking Tim Drake.

Not the imposter that's been running around in the two cancelled New 52 Teen Titans series for the past half-decade.

The real Tim Drake.

He's a little younger than I last saw him (in 2009-2011's Red Robin series), but it's fucking Tim Drake. And he's dating Stephanie Brown.

All is right in the world.

I had to laugh at Tim making a Danger Room clone out of Clayface material though, that's pretty brilliant (as is the new "Belfry" base in the middle of Gotham - it's hokey for sure, but it works for the tone of the comic.)

The ending was pretty hype. Can't wait for the next issue in two weeks. :hyper

Bimonthly issues are the best thing to come out of Rebirth. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on June 29, 2016, 08:58:36 PM
DKIII: The Master Race #5 has the most legit hype as fuck last page. I'm not a big cape stan but even that got me. Also I read DK2 before DK3 and actually kinda enjoyed it, the coloring is the real weak link in the book, sometimes it works but I feel it mostly takes away from Miller's art. I expected something way worse but all I got was something silly,rough around the edges but okay in the end.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 29, 2016, 10:53:46 PM
DKIII: The Master Race #5 has the most legit hype as fuck last page. I'm not a big cape stan but even that got me. Also I read DK2 before DK3 and actually kinda enjoyed it, the coloring is the real weak link in the book, sometimes it works but I feel it mostly takes away from Miller's art. I expected something way worse but all I got was something silly,rough around the edges but okay in the end.

(https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xfp1/t51.2885-15/s640x640/sh0.08/e35/12534283_536929539800114_1305039277_n.jpg)

(http://www.shelfabuse.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/dark-knight-catgirl.jpg)

:holeup :holeup :holeup

DKSA is a piece of shit I was hoping would be forever forgotten to time but Miller just had to make DKIII (and is gonna DKIV from what he says.) Ugh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 30, 2016, 01:10:54 AM
DKR is one of the most important, defining comics of the last 40 years.
DKSA is a master-level troll effort.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 30, 2016, 01:43:08 PM
DKR is one of the most important, defining comics of the last 40 years.
DKSA is a master-level troll effort.

Except if you've read his other stuff you'd know it wasn't a troll.

Try Holy Terror sometime.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on July 01, 2016, 08:26:12 AM
DKR is one of the most important, defining comics of the last 40 years.
DKSA is a master-level troll effort.

Except if you've read his other stuff you'd know it wasn't a troll.

Try Holy Terror sometime.

Oh, I'm aware. Miller was one of those guys who was right-wing but hiding it effectively until 9/11 broke his brain.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 01, 2016, 10:26:08 AM
Heh, I thought you meant the artwork.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2016, 10:50:57 AM
Heh, I thought you meant the artwork.

The artwork is too shitty to be on purpose.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on July 02, 2016, 01:53:19 AM
Heh, I thought you meant the artwork.

The artwork is too shitty to be on purpose.

He started losing track of that around Ronin. There is stuff in there that is straight-up "what were you thinking?" territory. He toned it down again for DKSA, and Elektra Returns, and even 300. But he's at his best when aping a manga format with Yoshitoshi-style brushwork inks.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 05, 2016, 11:07:45 AM
Read the first two volumes of Hickman's The Manhattan Projects great wacky stuff.  Like Futurama meets Dr. Strangelove.  Need to pick up the other 3 volumes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 06, 2016, 10:28:01 AM
So now, following the female Thor and female Wolverine, we have...female Iron Man.  I like her design, but I gotta say, I'm starting to get tired of this.  Can they not just make these characters into new superheroes instead of replacing existing ones with different genders/races/whatever?

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There’s a new Iron Man. Well, Iron Man for now. She’s still working on the name. The events at the end of the comic book event series Civil War II will result in Tony Stark stepping out of the Iron Man suit and a new character, Riri Williams, taking over, Marvel tells TIME. (Note: Tony’s departure doesn’t mean you know the end to Civil War II yet.)

Riri is a science genius who enrolls in MIT at the age of 15. She comes to the attention of Tony when she builds her own Iron Man suit in her dorm.
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/imvim2015_promo.jpg?quality=75&strip=color&w=814)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 06, 2016, 11:00:30 AM
Riri Williams was able to build this in a dorm...with a box of ramen!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 06, 2016, 12:01:44 PM
It feels very forced and gimmicky. These characters also usually don't stand on their own, becoming frogetten when the original comes back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 06, 2016, 03:01:37 PM
Yup, Sam Wilson Cap has completely disappeared off the Earth. So has Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 06, 2016, 03:23:42 PM
Yup, Sam Wilson Cap has completely disappeared off the Earth. So has Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel as well.

What do you mean?  Both have their own solo books and are in Avengers books too.  Or was that sarcasm...my meter is broken.  :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 06, 2016, 04:22:28 PM
Yup, Sam Wilson Cap has completely disappeared off the Earth. So has Kamala Khan Ms. Marvel as well.
They are still being pushed.

Also Falcon was a known character, but I'd say yeah the focus is back on Rogers.

Let's wait a bit to see if Ms Marvel has any longevity.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on July 06, 2016, 07:45:03 PM
MODAK:
https://twitter.com/newbiedm/status/748603089007964160


So now, following the female Thor and female Wolverine, we have...female Iron Man.  I like her design, but I gotta say, I'm starting to get tired of this.  Can they not just make these characters into new superheroes instead of replacing existing ones with different genders/races/whatever?

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There’s a new Iron Man. Well, Iron Man for now. She’s still working on the name. The events at the end of the comic book event series Civil War II will result in Tony Stark stepping out of the Iron Man suit and a new character, Riri Williams, taking over, Marvel tells TIME. (Note: Tony’s departure doesn’t mean you know the end to Civil War II yet.)

Riri is a science genius who enrolls in MIT at the age of 15. She comes to the attention of Tony when she builds her own Iron Man suit in her dorm.
(https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/imvim2015_promo.jpg?quality=75&strip=color&w=814)

Elementally, she should be called "Fe-MALE"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 06, 2016, 08:31:21 PM
I'm not a comic buff or anything, but I've yet to read one of these gender swap things that was remotely interesting or that avoided being exceedingly hamfisted in its execution / message.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 07, 2016, 10:10:17 AM
I checked my digital comic backlog last night and found that I'd read the latest Iron Man series up through issue six.  Caught up and read 7-11.  Issue seven, from several months back...introduced Riri Williams and every issue after has a little section focusing on her exploits.  So this is not a brand new thing and the character was introduced already.  Weird that all of a sudden people have taken notice just now, with that Time article.

Looking at the various gender-swapped/new versions of existing Marvel characters:

-Wolverine: I like X-23, but this current book isn't really that great.  One thing I was hoping for was having Laura have to deal with various characters from Logan's rogues' gallery, but none of that has happened.  Instead this comic introduced MORE female Wolverine clones and now one of them is her little sidekick.  I dunno...I know there's Old Man Logan for the grittier, more violent Wolverine, but this book is almost too...light-hearted?  In a way.

-Ms. Marvel: Dropped the first series after the first issue...seemed like it was directed at a younger audience.  I'm not big on Inhumans, although this character really has nothing to do with them.  She caught on and I like her in the Avengers books, so I'm going to try her new series.

-Spider-Wimmenz: Spider-Gwen is a fun book.  It's all self-contained and takes place in an alternate universe, so they can do whatever they want.  She's had some crossovers with Silk and Spider-Woman, who are her buddies now.  Spider-Woman has been a fun read, too, although she's not a new character so that doesn't count here.  Haven't read too much Silk apart from some crossover stories.  There are too many Spider characters right now and she feels kind of lost in the shuffle.

-Nova: Read all of the first series but haven't caught up yet on the new one.  The character is OK, but they've spent entirely too much time on him looking for his father/his father returning and being an imposter-Nova-thing/looking for his father again.  It has spilled over into the Avengers now.

-Thor: Dropped this.  Was never that big into Thor to begin with and I lost interest in this book pretty quickly after they revealed her identity. 

-Spider-Man: Miles Morales is a fun character and I'm glad they brought him into the main MU.  I think he needs his own super-hero name though.

-The Totally Awesome Hulk: So the story here is that Amadeus Cho, in an effort to save The Hulk from blowing up due to absorbing too much radiation, found a way to take the Hulk literally out of Bruce Banner and put him into himself.  Cho has more control over the Hulk and retains his personality, but has discovered that he has blackouts where he can't remember anything and the Hulk is off doing whatever.  There was also a recent storyline that focused on Banner and how he's doing great without the Hulk inside him.  I'm sure that this will all lead to Banner becoming the Hulk again at some point.  I don't really care for Cho as the Hulk, but it's a decent book I guess.

-Sam Wilson Captain America: Sorry, Sam, but I really don't care all that much.  Not into the character and not into the new Falcon that they introduced, either.  My favorite version of this character is the movie version and I wish they'd model him more like that portrayal instead.  Steve Rogers is already back as Cap and all the attention is on him with the whole Hydra-Red Skull brainwashing thing anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 07, 2016, 12:00:38 PM
Batman (2016) #2

Another good issue with some really sharp writing by King. He was king of the quip with Grayson and he hasn't lost his edge here, the Bruce-Alfred and Bruce-Gordon dynamics are as good as ever. I like that Gotham and Gotham-Girl are both portrayed as being dumb as fuck since that's the impression I got in their debut last issue.

Favorite panels:

(http://i.imgur.com/6wDeI9z.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/lOGKNYq.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/MMg9ZAM.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/ZuWH4Dw.png)



Superman (2016) #2

Holy cow this is my favorite comic in forever (well, maybe since Grayson.) I know Tomasi and Gleason are laying the sap on thick in order to create drama later, but goddamnit, I don't care. This is Superman to me. This is DC to me. This is what I want in a comic book.

I wasn't a big fan of Gleason's art on Batman & Robin outside of some select panels, but I absolutely love what he's doing here.

Favorite panels:

(http://i.imgur.com/F4Q50mu.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/AS3cJDQ.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/2Rwcy1e.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/Xifs0Vv.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 08, 2016, 08:39:35 AM
Look at him, all smiles after frying his cat with his heat vision. 
:what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 08, 2016, 10:31:37 AM
Look at him, all smiles after frying his cat with his heat vision. 
:what

IT WAS AN ACCIDENT :maf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 13, 2016, 09:00:03 AM
Marvel is spoiling their own shit.  In Civil War #3, there's a "major" character death:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Inhuman, who gets visions of the future, sees the Hulk going on a rampage, so Hawkeye takes a special arrow that Bruce Banner created for him and shoots Banner in the head with it.

...Which makes no sense, since Banner is no longer the Hulk-- That's now Amadeus Cho.
[close]

:confused

But maybe this is what really gets the event going.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on July 13, 2016, 11:32:04 AM
I submitted 10 comics to CGC last weekend at the Montreal Comiccon

:what

Can't wait for the inevitable letdown in 3 months when I get them back.

Nothing ballah, It's mostly recent cover variants stuff, a Punisher #1 from 1987, one irst print issue of The Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe  and a bunch of signed Neal Adams comics. It was less expensive than I thought It was going to be, to be honest.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 13, 2016, 06:36:45 PM
Finished Hickman's The Manhattan Projects thanks to the image sale where I picked up the rest of that, a bunch of Nailbiter volumes since vol.1 was entertaining for the horror fan in my, and Low vol.2, Deadly Class vol.3 for Rick Remender's stuff.

The Manhattan Projects was a real good ride.  The story or where it was going was never particularly important, the story was simply the stage for a bunch of absurd alternate history meets sci-fi shenangins skits featuring nazis, communists, talking dogs, presidents, aliens, robots, death squad Japanese red torii portals, einstein w/chainsaw, etc...Was constantly smart, funny and well-written.  The style and setting reminded me a lot of God Hates Astronauts, except a little less slapstick and more smart satire.  GHA is like the Tropical Thunder to TMP's Dr. Strangelove.  Both are weird and funny though, would've grabbed GHA vol.2 & 3 but they weren't on sale in this Image sale.  Anyhow, in the end the story kind of just ends at a certain part.  Not sure if the plan was to keep it going or if the ratings weren't that good and it was time to move on.  But that's ok because the events and characters were entertaining enough to have made the journey well worth it.  If you like weird & smart political satire with some sci-fi thrown in, check out The Manhattan Projects.

I need to get back to Marvel comics.  I've been on a Marvel break since I'm loving a lot of Image published stuff right now.  Probably get back to Marvel soon, need to make some progress since I'm still right before Civil War 1 (2006) in my Marvel Timeline read through.  I'm currently on the Black Panther series around that time (after Priest's run) and it's pretty fun.  Luke Cage joins up with Black Panther to be his bodyguard and there's this 2 issue arc where they go to New Orleans and team up with Blade and Dr. Voodoo and kickass as a Black Superhero Team which was awesome.  The interactions between Blade and BP were really really great.  Lot of funny stuff in there and I'd recommend at least that 2 issue comic to everyone.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 14, 2016, 10:34:32 AM
Marvel is spoiling their own shit.  In Civil War #3, there's a "major" character death:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Inhuman, who gets visions of the future, sees the Hulk going on a rampage, so Hawkeye takes a special arrow that Bruce Banner created for him and shoots Banner in the head with it.

...Which makes no sense, since Banner is no longer the Hulk-- That's now Amadeus Cho.
[close]

:confused

But maybe this is what really gets the event going.

Read this and most of the story took place in a court room, with various characters testifying about the events described above. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Was glad to see that Bendis does in fact recognize that Amadeus Cho is the Hulk-- he's not anywhere in this comic, but the story here is that Banner was experimenting on himself with gamma crap and Hawkeye claimed his eyes flashed green just before he shot him, indicating he was going to 'Hulk out.'  Hawkeye also said that Banner told him outright to kill him if he was going to turn into the Hulk again, which makes no sense to me if Banner himself was essentially trying to become the Hulk again.
[close]

And still, despite this...it still feels like nothing is happening apart from character deaths/comas.  :lol  We're three issues in and there has yet to be a 'war.'

A bunch of covers have also leaked for upcoming books in the fall.  Among them is a new Dr. Strange book, which follows the All-New X-Men in that multiple sorcerers (ancient ones?) from the past time travel to the present to help Strange, and another Iron Man book...with Dr. Doom in the armor.  LOL if they kill Tony Stark in Civil War.  There's also an upcoming book (no cover shown) called "The Unworthy Thor," which I assume will follow Thor Odinson.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 12:36:15 AM
Didn't the first Civil War take a while to get to the "war" too? Maybe it just felt like it because of the ten thousand tie-in issues most of the "consequences" plot got shunted off into. (Then forgotten about or made incoherent.)

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Civil War II also ties into several new limited series including: Civil War II: Amazing Spider-Man, Civil War II: Choosing Sides, Civil War II: Gods of War, Civil War II: Kingpin, Civil War II: Ulysses, and Civil War II: X-Men, the one-shots: Civil War II: The Accused and Civil War II: The Fallen, and numerous ongoing series
Oh good, they're keeping up tradition then.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 12:52:48 AM
Wait, they're doing another "relaunch" thing?

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In June 2016, Marvel announced that "Civil War II" will result in a new status quo of Marvel Universe, which will be presented in the "Divided We Stand" storyline as part of the company's 2016 Marvel NOW! relaunch.
(http://i.newsarama.com/images/i/000/173/504/original/3061358-inline-i-1-divided-we-stand-marvel-shell.jpg)

They should just launch a new Avengers volume every other month, just issues #0 and #1 over and over again.

I was reading a thing by Marv Wolfman the other day and he was talking about how back before CRISIS the higher the number on a comic the better, people trusted an Action Comics #487 but not a #4 of something. Which is why there were so few self-contained mini-series or even maxi-series, nobody thought a 12 issue series with a decided ending would sell. Jack Kirby's New Gods was supposed to be a story that ended back in like issue #13. But DC wanted the characters and series to keep going so he wasn't allowed to write any endings that could potentially close them off. Then they cancelled it. And barely used the characters again for like 20 years. :lol

Funniest thing is still Marvel's dual-numbering of issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 15, 2016, 07:19:09 AM
Didn't the first Civil War take a while to get to the "war" too? Maybe it just felt like it because of the ten thousand tie-in issues most of the "consequences" plot got shunted off into. (Then forgotten about or made incoherent.)

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Civil War II also ties into several new limited series including: Civil War II: Amazing Spider-Man, Civil War II: Choosing Sides, Civil War II: Gods of War, Civil War II: Kingpin, Civil War II: Ulysses, and Civil War II: X-Men, the one-shots: Civil War II: The Accused and Civil War II: The Fallen, and numerous ongoing series
Oh good, they're keeping up tradition then.

I don't remember how long the first Civil War story took to get going.  I don't think Civil War II is anywhere near as good as it was, though, and Civil War had ramifications that resulted in the Dark Avengers/Norman Osbourne controlling shit.  Civil War II seems to be leading to...more #1s and relaunches.
:dead

And this seems to be a thing with Marvel- Hype up a big new storyline, then spoil shit before it's over and announce new comics, making the story feel almost pointless.  Nothing's gonna top that Age Of Ultron mini series, however- All that shit just introduce fucking Angela into the Marvel Universe, and at that this point she barely even matters.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 15, 2016, 07:23:15 AM
Wait, they're doing another "relaunch" thing?

Yup.  It's the norm for them now.  I think they should just put "Season #"  or something on their books to make things easier to follow for new readers.

That picture is amazing.  So many heroes have been effectively replaced.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on July 15, 2016, 01:08:45 PM
Anyone read Gwenpoole?

Since my girlfriend gets every single Marvel comic they make she had a literal mountain in our apartment of comics and I noticed it, thought the art was neat, and decided to give it a try.

It's pretty good for the most part. The writing isn't as sharp as it could be but the hook is fun and I always like stories that poke fun at themselves.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2016, 02:07:41 PM
What's funny is not all that long ago Marvel did do a "Season One" thing for people coming to the comics from the films: https://comicstore.marvel.com/Season-One/comics-series/8013

I actually liked a number of them, but the stupid thing was that I don't think any of them were written by the people writing the current comics nor were they like "new origin stories to pilfer from if you want" nor have they led to anything like DC's Earth One line with Season Two, etc. Also, like the 1960's original X-Men lineup is so totally not in the X-Men comics, and Fantastic Four barely even had a book consistently for years. So you'd have had to catch up anyway. :lol

I wouldn't mind actually if some comics went into a "season" format with more of a clear and set release schedule. A lot of the mainstream stuff I've liked the last decade-ish has had a finale it was working towards. (52 for example.) Write and plot out the entire "season" then turn it over to editorial and the artists for production. Especially if everybody else writing stuff in-universe has to keep up with an author. (This was one of the New 52 complaints by writers on all the other Superman books, Morrison was writing in Action Comics five years in the past but neither he, nor editorial was sharing that with anyone else and he wasn't writing any further ahead of anyone. Apparently one reason Snyder stayed on Batman three times as long as originally intended is that he kept everyone in the loop so things like Zero Year and Death of the Family weren't utter editorial clusterfucks.)

The Walking Dead is actually kinda remarkable since Kirkman supposedly doesn't plot ahead for the entire book. Just certain character beats he intends to get to. (I don't know if I believe him. Or any comic writers really.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 15, 2016, 02:12:38 PM
Fist- Not yet, but have 'em all queued up to read. 

Benji- They already kind of do have something to work towards- all the recent books start over after a big event, then lead up to a big event, and the cycle repeats itself.  Before they even used names like "Dark Reign" and "The Heroic Age" across the top of all the comics inbetween events. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2016, 04:46:22 PM
Superman (2016) #3

A robot eats a dog. This is the best comic running.

Nightwing: Rebirth

Decent intro to the book. Finally finished up Grayson to get to this and it's one of my favorite series ever, if a little anticlimactic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 21, 2016, 02:19:27 PM
Superman (2016) #3

A robot eats a dog. This is the best comic running.

What is with this comic and pets!?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 28, 2016, 04:18:47 PM
Oh my god I am loving this bimonthly thing DC is doing with Rebirth. Reading issues once a month sucks, and waiting for TPBs sucks. Bimonthly issues isn't a new idea (though I don't think it's been done on this scale before), and who knows if they'll be able to keep it up, but right now it's amazing. Following a series is now like watching an ongoing TV show. Like, I *just* caught up and read Nightwing #1 three days ago, and now it's less than a week until #2! And a double-a-month dose of Tomasi's revelatory Superman run is EXACTLY what I need right now. 👊
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 29, 2016, 01:48:17 AM
Finished Annihilation and finally at Civil War (2006).  When I first signed up for Marvel Unlimited 2+ years ago, the first thing I tried to read was Civil War.  I made it like 10 issues into the event and bailed out because it sucked and then I went and read Nextwave and some other good runs before heading back to 1999 and reading the entire marvel universe from that point on.  Now I'm back at Civil War but I have like 1,000 comics read under my belt from 1999-2006 and I know all these characters and I've seen the world change to this point.  Will be interesting to see if I like the event more this time around with all that background.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 30, 2016, 05:09:56 PM
Civil War is fucking loooooooooooooooooooooooong.  Here I thought it'd be like the past 2 events, Avengers Disassembled  & House of M, which were maybe about 20-30 issues total with main story+tie-ins.  Civil War is like 100+ issues long, damn.  I'm about 25 or so issues in and it's feeling pretty dragged out. 

It's also really stupid with the whole "at midnight all the heroes turn into criminals automatically and shield goes to take them down"; it's like beyond dumb.  Hopefully the main WAR part in the middle is good.  This is all just build up still.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 02, 2016, 09:46:55 AM
It's been so long since I read that storyline that I can't remember how it all plays out and if it was all worth reading.  But it does lead to Dark Reign which is fun for a bit.

How does that Marvel app work?  Does it give you all the related comics in a storyline in reading order?  Might have to try it out for a bit if so.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on August 02, 2016, 01:32:22 PM
It's been so long since I read that storyline that I can't remember how it all plays out and if it was all worth reading.  But it does lead to Dark Reign which is fun for a bit.

How does that Marvel app work?  Does it give you all the related comics in a storyline in reading order?  Might have to try it out for a bit if so.

Sort of.  If you browse by event instead of series it has most of the storyline and you can sort by date order.  But whoever is putting it together always misses some, so I go by The Marvel Reading Order (http://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/) and just grab each issue in order.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 02, 2016, 01:51:29 PM
Hmm.  Well, I'm interested in trying it out, now that I have a tablet that should display pages correctly.  I usually read everything on my phone.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 03, 2016, 01:09:33 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1Pl1bYaxkA

 :nsfw :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 02:43:01 PM
Detective Comics #938

Really loving this run of Detective Comics so far. James Tynion IV is living up to his statement of "Tim Drake is my favorite character." He really gets Timmy.

I've also warmed up much more to his "new" (old) costume again. It's not as good as his pre-Flashpoint ones but it's definitely better than the New 52 one. And this jab was just so good.

(http://i.imgur.com/q85xQkZ.png)

I'm hoping he gets his black/red costume back eventually but this one's fine for now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on August 10, 2016, 03:01:33 PM
Yeah Detective is easily my favorite super hero book right now. The team dynamic is just really well done.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2016, 03:12:15 PM
Yeah Detective is easily my favorite super hero book right now. The team dynamic is just really well done.

Somehow made get feels from Batwoman's dad, which I completely didn't expect. Wtf this writing is too good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 15, 2016, 09:18:16 PM
Superwoman: I liked this one a lot more than I thought I would.  It has a swerve in it that answers a question the New 52 Superman's death had, which I am really glad that they addressed-
spoiler (click to show/hide)
It wasn't just New 52 Lois Lane who got zapped with Superman's energy when he died...Lana Lang did too.  And she ALSO has superpowers, but they are shown to be more energy based and I guess she's supposed to be a tribute to the "electric" Superman from the 90s.  Lois "dies" right at the end of the book after running into what looks like a Bizarro female Superman, although obviously she's not dead since previews have already spoiled that.  It's kind of too bad, because it would have been a way for them to get rid of the now-extra Lois and surprise everyone with a different main character.
:idont
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I am really liking all the Superman books right now.  Easily the most I've liked what they're doing with these characters in...ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2016, 09:29:24 PM
What kind of bizarro version of this thread did I enter where I'm not the only one talking about DC? :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 15, 2016, 11:11:24 PM
I've heard that Chinese Superman is pretty good. Is it?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 04:56:31 AM
i totally forgot to read that...and superwoman

some of rebirth is really fucked up from an editorial stand point but you only notice it if you're mainlining everything as it comes out

like, i like the individual superman components going on right...but which is happening in what timeframe and order, and include his justice league stuff in this, also can we stop fighting doomsday again and explain all the interesting stuff in Action?

and i swear to god, Old Lois has become Sue Storm from the 1960's, every issue in half the books is her worrying about her husband and how she can't bear to watch TV or let Jon see it...while in another book her and Jon are beating the living shit out of the Eradicator while Supes takes a nap

something similar with batman/detective is going on, but they're going to do that crossover so that will sync them up a bit

it's not a real problem or anything, but it's the same thing that sent the new 52 spiraling in random directions with no grand editorial oversight...and now that Johns is off doing the movies...

also, in retrospect, the rebirth issues themselves are fairly garbage, especially since nearly every #1 of the series proper immediately discards them to jump right into established plot (this good, rebirth issues mostly bad)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 05:02:59 AM
also i lol'd at them making Amanda Waller fatter and more homely again, just as Viola Davis was doing what seems like an older and more professional version of the new 52 take

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i had started to like new 52's waller during forever evil/futures end/etc. as they had no problems putting her into the field/action, especially the story where she was like Ripley trapped in Blackgate

not that i was really bothered too much by the more fit version since she was still the epic bitch we all love, but they stumbled into retroactively justifying the makeover
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2016, 05:27:53 AM
some of the other stuff i plowed through recently, i think can put it into tiers

top tier:
Wool (which is an altered adaption of a self-published e-book/novel series and stuff but I only found that out after I read it)
American Vampire (First set of "volumes", first five collected editions, not Second Cycle yet)
Velvet
Sleeper (though i probably shouldn't have read this after Velvet AND Criminal AND Fatale AND The Fade Out...overdosing on Brubaker, but it was a nice coda to me having finally read through The Authority last year)
Captain America: Man Out of Time

pretty good but depends on when u ask:
Marvel 1602 (Gaiman mini-series)
Eternals (Gaiman mini-series)
Criminal
The Fade Out

decent to good:
Fatale
The Wake
Prophet (Brandon Graham), second collected "Brothers"
More old 1960's Marvel from the Masterworks collection

meh:
Prophet, first collection "Remission"

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:nerds
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 18, 2016, 10:05:58 AM
Alan Moore's Providence continues to be great. Two more issues until the end. (http://i.imgur.com/jdvsoAE.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 18, 2016, 10:57:31 AM
i totally forgot to read that...and superwoman

some of rebirth is really fucked up from an editorial stand point but you only notice it if you're mainlining everything as it comes out

like, i like the individual superman components going on right...but which is happening in what timeframe and order, and include his justice league stuff in this, also can we stop fighting doomsday again and explain all the interesting stuff in Action?

and i swear to god, Old Lois has become Sue Storm from the 1960's, every issue in half the books is her worrying about her husband and how she can't bear to watch TV or let Jon see it...while in another book her and Jon are beating the living shit out of the Eradicator while Supes takes a nap

something similar with batman/detective is going on, but they're going to do that crossover so that will sync them up a bit

it's not a real problem or anything, but it's the same thing that sent the new 52 spiraling in random directions with no grand editorial oversight...and now that Johns is off doing the movies...

also, in retrospect, the rebirth issues themselves are fairly garbage, especially since nearly every #1 of the series proper immediately discards them to jump right into established plot (this good, rebirth issues mostly bad)

This is the way it should be IMO. I look at it like each series is its own universe basically, with occasional crossovers to sync things up.

I mean when you really think about it, there's no way Batman would be able to do all the shit he does in every book in a month and still have time to sleep, run Wayne enterprises, etc. It takes a little suspension of disbelief anyways.

Also agreed on most of the Rebirth issues, most of them are pretty worthless (except Titans Rebirth #1, I believe.) Batman Rebirth #1 was just felating Duke which has gone nowhere AFAIK.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 18, 2016, 01:38:28 PM
I've heard that Chinese Superman is pretty good. Is it?

It's still too early to tell...issue #2 just hit.  But it has been a pretty fun story so far.  Doesn't really take itself too seriously and Chinese Bat-Man is just awesome, messing with Super-Man like crazy.  They really played the rip-off/copycat angle up in #2 and made things pretty enjoyable.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on August 20, 2016, 09:35:22 PM
Well, finished the entire Civil War event taking me from around Fall 2006 to Spring 2007 in my marvel universe read.  Was ok, my main issue is that for the most part nothing happens outside of a couple events.  It's a decent enough backdrop for authors to tell interesting stories, but they don't do a lot with it.  Like you have 50 issues of people picking sides and then maybe they're a couple of big fights and it's over.

Actually, the worst thing about it is that it wasn't just an event for 6 months and then it's done and I can get back to reading good comics in the marvel universe.  Because it screwed up things so much, the follow up year of comics are gonna be a heavily impacted by it as well.

So next up is ~June 2007 - June 2008 year of marvel before Secret Invasion.  Since everytime I do an event or year read it's basically like reading 3000 pages of Marvel, gonnna take a few month break before jumping into that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on September 05, 2016, 12:44:57 PM
Just read Animosity #1, don't sleep on this, it's amazing. It's about what if animals suddenly could talk and turned against us. ITS AMAZING

it also features this panel:

(http://i.imgur.com/FCeO2Yh.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 05, 2016, 12:53:54 PM
I saw that while glancing through the comics section, had to buy it right away. Those opening pages are amazing.

Also, Sandor for best dog ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on September 05, 2016, 06:03:27 PM
Sounds interesting. I'll get it on comixology later.

I'm really disappointed that the new Nighthawk comic will be canceled after only the 6th issue.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 05, 2016, 08:23:16 PM
Detective Comics #939

Tim gets his Big Damn Hero moment. :bow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 13, 2016, 11:52:20 PM
Finished my Trade volumes #1 read of comics I got from the last 2 years of Image modern created-owned comics.  My thoughts:

East of West - Pretty solid Hickman apocalyptic tale.  At this point I've read enough comics that nothing feels original and everything story-wise and character-wise and even scene-wise feels like I've already seen it somewhere (4 horseman, X-men Apocalypse; Death as vengeance anti-hero, Preacher; Post-apocalyptic sci-fi western, even bits of Hickman's other running Manhatten Projects, etc...), but it's pretty enjoyable pulp.  Will continue reading this.

I think I already talked about how Warren Ellis' Injection was the shit, but I'll make another note here in case you haven't read it. 

Jupiter's Circle - Apparently this is a prequel by Mark Millar to a different Millar series.  Was ok.

Kaptara - Kind of generic sci-fi lost on another planet thing, but I do like the He-Man-esque feel of it a bit.  Still not bothering past this volume.

Low - Rick Remender's underwater Mad Max.  Gorgeous art, decently entertaining, will continue.

Nailbiter - Horror slasher film monsters True Detective mystery tale.  Entertaining.  Will continue.

No Mercy - Oh no, kids on an international trip are stuck in a dangerous area and will get killed off left & right battle royale-ish.  Zzz

Nowhere Men - Suuuuuper similar to The Manhatten Projects about scientists who went wrong, but also about mutant astronauts X-men style.  Was ok, but don't think I'll read more.

Ody-c by Matt Fraction about sci-fi Norse gods or something, idk the art and panel layouts were too psychedelic out that I thought it was miserable to read and bailed halfway.

Outcast was ok, I can see why they'd make a tv show out of it.  Very slow paced and a bit boring.  No interest in continuing.

Phonogram Kara got me into this.  Wasn't hugely sold by Volume 1 since it felt fairly elitist UK britpop blogging in philosophical form, but love volume #2 which is just a fun comic about people having a good time at a club and how music effects them.  Individual the club stories are fairly shallow, but together as a single piece the interwoven story is fantastic and the tracklist is great.  One of the best comics I've read.  Now I can't stop listening to Pull Shapes.

Satellite Sam - Noir television industry murder mystery.  Kinda interesting, kind of boring.  Probably not going to continue.

Shutter - Weird randomly super-violent w/furries action adventure?  Sorta intriguing.  Might check out volume 2+

The Fade Out - Another Noir television/movie industry murder mystery.  Fairly entertaining like most Brubaker comics.  Beyond that didn't really grab me, but might check out vol.2

The Wicked & The Divine - Enjoyed the first volume quite a bit since I like gods and mythology.  Only bummer is they got rid of the most interesting character in volume 1.  But definitely will check out 2+

Trees - Another neat Ellis' story.  Don't like it anywhere near as much as Injection, it's also depressingly bleak view of people in a world post alien tree landings.  But will grab volume 2 next image sale.

Velvet - More entertaining Brubaker action mystery thrillers.  Fairly popcorn but fun.  Surprised they haven't made a movie out of it yet.  Will check out volume 2.

Virgil - "A Queersploitation Revenge Tale" the back cover says.  Yup, that's exactly what it is.  Fairly entertaining for that kind of genre.  The setting in Jamaica was interesting.

Wolf - I had to check if this was written by the guy who wrote Fables.  It isn't, but it's the exact same concept but darker.  I like that kind of concept (personification of fable/myth characters).  Will grab volume 2 next sale.

So yeah, some good stuff in there.  Next time there's an image sale will pick up the next few volumes of a good chunk of them.  Still need to read Saga and more of Fables, but since they're both lengthy been saving until I finished all the volume 1s.  Looking forward to the next image humble bundle sale of new volume 1s to check out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2016, 12:30:30 PM
Detective Comics #940

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And Tim Drake's record of being the only Robin not to die is brok-... wait, huh. Nevermind then.

???
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 14, 2016, 12:35:24 PM
Detective Comics #940

spoiler (click to show/hide)
And Tim Drake's record of being the only Robin not to die is brok-... wait, huh. Nevermind then.

???
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(http://i.imgur.com/CTwmp7E.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2016, 12:43:37 PM
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Going theory is Ozymandias is doing a bunch of shit. "Dr. Oz" has apparently already captured Doomsday and now Tim.

(http://i.imgur.com/KvJFjEj.png)

Lol he's literally saying "we're taking you out of the comics for now BECAUSE you're such a fan favorite. :lol

Hopefully when he comes back he has a better costume. It'd also be great if they could restore his pre-N52 memories at some point.

:bow Pre-N52 Tim Drake :bow2
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2016, 12:48:10 PM
I know it was a Kingdom Come thing but I never liked the "Red Robin" name. It's redundant and them name of a (pretty good) burger chain.

They should make Tim "Flamebird" to play off Nightwing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 14, 2016, 01:04:09 PM
Ugh, I am not liking this Watchmen shit.  So they bring Tim Drake back to Batman and co. only to remove him completely?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2016, 01:13:32 PM
Ugh, I am not liking this Watchmen shit.  So they bring Tim Drake back to Batman and co. only to remove him completely?  :lol

Pretty much. :lol

I'm fine with him being gone a few months (provided they update his costume) but if they stretch it to 6-12 then I'm gonna riot.

The actual Rebirth "plot" has been a veeeerrrrry slow trickle.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2016, 03:35:47 PM
http://www.ew.com/article/2016/09/14/detective-comics-robin-death-twist-james-tynion?xid=entertainment-weekly_socialflow_twitter

HOLY FUCK YES on basically all of Tynion's answers here.

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Tim Drake is my favorite character in comics. This is the character that I grew up with. He was really my entry point to the Batman books in the late ‘90s/early 2000s when I started reading comic books when I was in middle school and high school. He, as a character, means a tremendous lot to me, and especially his view on the rest of the Bat-family. He is a brighter character who has a bit more of a utopian vision of being what a member of the Bat family can actually be.

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In terms of the larger Rebirth story, this is the beginning of Tim Drake’s story. This is the first step toward really big, really cool stuff I am really excited for everyone to see.

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The best way to describe it is having my cake and eating it too. We didn’t want to do the standard fake-out, okay the character’s dead and then three issues later reveal he’s alive. We wanted to show people right away that this isn’t something we did to shock readers, this is all part of a story. We wanted to make it clear that everything that’s happening with Tim is because we think he’s one of the most important characters in the DC Universe, not an expendable character that we’re going to toss on the fire to make all the characters cry. Now, at the same time, we get to use him to make all the characters cry.

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This is all a bigger story. The fact that it is Tim, and Tim is central to all of this, that is relevant and important. You’ll be slowly discovering why over the next few months or years.

Tim’s a character who I feel like in the New 52 got brought over to the Titans side of the universe, and was sort of taken away from Gotham. Being able to root him as a crucial Gotham figure before sending him off into maybe the biggest story Tim has ever been a part of in DC comics history, that’s something that is important to me and makes me happy that we were able to do.

:lawd :preach :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 14, 2016, 03:40:08 PM
Making Watchmen part of the DC Universe.  :donot

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(http://i.imgur.com/EcCWJjn.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2016, 03:48:26 PM
Hey Alan Moore:

:umad
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 14, 2016, 05:35:38 PM
I've also read a bunch of those image books Bebpo.

I personally love East of West, great art and crazy world building. Yeah it's the definition of a Hickman book, but he's good at creating these epic stories in these fantastic worlds. One of my favorites, I have a thing personally signed by the artist.

I haven't read all of Jupiter's Circle, but yeah it's a prequel to Jupiter's Legacy which is a very Miller book, but it does feel more earnest and less cynical then most of his stuff. Thanks to the prequel series, it feels far more developed then his other series. Also that art is amazing.

I also loved Nowhere Men. So strange and off kilter. Sadly it's taken forever to even get to volume 2.

If you liked Phonogram I'd say maybe try out volume 3. It returns to some of the characters of volume 1 and is big on identity themes. Also some characters from Vol. 2 come back. The only thing is you may not like Volume because the main character from 1 and Emily(one of his friends) are the real main characters. You may not relate to Emily and find her very unlikable.

I liked The Fade Out, but haven't read volume 2. Since it's so short I'll probably get to it. It surfers from a lot of Brubaker's problems. I.E look at all the mature grittiness, but I thought it was solid.

For sure continue Wicked and The Divine. I think it only gets better as more gods are introduced. Yes Luci is gone, but the story hardly drops.

Velvet is fun, but my problem with Brubaker is that he can't keep up the momentum. I thought Fatale had the same problem in that it went on too long and Sleeper had a very by the numbers 2nd half. Still, while all of Velvet is good, it probably could have shaved off a few issues.

I've also enjoyed Tokyo Ghost if only for the art. My problem with Rick Remender is he also feels like a try hard, but Sean Murphy's art is too good to pass up. Plus the two main characters have an interesting relationship and the ending was rather decent.

Copperhead is a solid space western genre comic.

You may like Monstress because of the obvious manga influnce and dark themes. To me the overbearing world building and hush hush mystery was kind of lame.

But most importantly read Descender. The best sci-fi comic out right now.

Also while it's not image, I read the first trade of The Sheriff of Babylon and thought it was good stuff. A very shades of grey look at occupied Iraq.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 20, 2016, 09:52:53 PM
Thanks for the reccomendations Rax.  I'll check out Monstress next Image sale and I'll look for Sheriff of Babylon, maybe Copperhead too.  Also yeah, I've read and love Descender.

I disagree on Rememder.  I think he's quite good, sharp and witty from what I've read of his stuff (Uncanny X-Force, Deadly Class, Low).  But then again I've heard from multiple people that Tokyo Ghost kinda sucks.  In general as a weaboo I stay away from white people trying to be anime stuff.

I was stuck at home for medical stuff yesterday and so I read some Alan Moore who I've learned over and over that I don't particularly care for even though he's well loved.  I love Lovecraft though and saw a thread about Providence being good cthulhu mythos written by Moore.  So I got a package that came with the story so far (since Providence is a prequel) and read The Courtyard which was an ok Lovecraft-ish one-off.  It was nice but it made me want more of the world he'd created and more Lovecraft. 

So then I read Neonomicon aka the RAPE RAPE book  :-\  It started off good and was overall entertaining if fairly cliche in the last 2 volumes, but jeesus all that rape.  I read Moore's justification for it, that Lovecraft himself was shy to write about sex and rape in his stories (possibly because of publication rules at the time, or because he was fairly asexual) and only implied the outcome of such things, and so Moore wanted to go the opposite and say this is all the fucked up sex and rape of Cthulhu mythos!  But despite that justification, it still comes off as kind of trashy because even if you take out all the rape it's a fairly C+ short story that's pretty by the books.

Anyhow, back to Providence, this one's supposed to be a lot better and more intellectually mature and I'm only two issues in but definitely liking it so far.  Hope it pays off and doesn't go into exploitation shit at some point.

I also need to read Morrison's Nameless next time there's an Image sale, since I fucking love Lovecraft mythos and would like to read his take even though on the surface it just looks like a rip of Junji Ito's Hellstar Remina.  My favorite Lovecraft stuff so far is still Lovecraft's Monsters, a collection of short stories I got in a humble book bundle.  The stories are really hit & miss, but there's a couple that are goddamn perfect Elder gods and shit. 



Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 20, 2016, 09:58:56 PM
Also, now that Urasawa's Billy Bat's ended I'm reading through it these past few weeks.  Midway through volume 5 of 10 now.  Shit is so fucking crazy.  No idea if it'll be any good in the end, but like all of his stuff it reads incredibly well.  I don't really get why they never made anymore anime of his works after Monster.  They made live-action movies of 20th Century Boys, but no anime and then no anime for Pluto or Billy Bat.  It's weird because afaik his stuff is pretty popular and he's a legendary Japanese writer.  But then again, his stories are lengthy tales about middle aged men which I guess is hard to sell in today's otaku anime market of little girls loving their brothers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2016, 10:04:05 PM
Providence has got some rape in it too, but no one has gotten fishman pregnant (yet). It's really just one issue, but yeah...it's fairly unpleasant. It's a really good series though, and dense with Mythos references and IRL Lovecraft references.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 20, 2016, 10:48:07 PM
Well I enjoyed Uncanny X-Force a lot and think it was probably the last good X thing. It's just it was a bit more restrained. Remender has good ideas and a good idea of what makes for good characters and story. I just think his independent stuff has been a bit too try hard and filled with "edgy" stuff for no reason.

I did'nt think Tokyo Ghost was bad and I did'nt think it was very anime either. More Japan Bushido stuff and even that that actually very light compared to all the other cyberpunk stuff happening. I think maybe it went on too long for some it's ideas, but in the end it was decent and the art carried it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2016, 10:51:01 PM
It's Tokyo Ghoul you fuckin' pleb :expert
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 21, 2016, 08:59:06 AM
It's Tokyo Ghoul you fuckin' pleb :expert

Tokyo Ghost is the white people comic series, you fuckin weeb.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 21, 2016, 11:05:05 AM
It's Tokyo Ghoul you fuckin' pleb :expert

Tokyo Ghost is the white people comic series, you fuckin weeb.

(https://cdn.meme.am/instances/59002720.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 21, 2016, 03:34:44 PM
He said it "wasn't very anime" which threw me off. :yeshrug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 25, 2016, 06:03:39 PM
Superman (2016) #6 and #7

Oh my gosh I don't think it's possible to love Gleason and Tomasi's Superman run more.

Or Jon, for that matter.

(http://i.imgur.com/X7otTGJl.png)

(http://i.imgur.com/UbEW199l.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 25, 2016, 07:54:00 PM
While I'm not really digging Civil War II over on the Marvel side, Spider-Man has been fun.  The latest Amazing Spider-Man serves as both part of the "Death No More" prelude storyline and as a follow-up to the Superior Spider-Man storyline.

At the end of Superior, Doc Ock, firmly in control of Spider-Man's body, erased his consciousness and restored Peter because he realized he couldn't handle what was happening at the time. 

That wasn't the end of Doc Ock, though.  He popped up again in the Spider-Verse storyline (as Superior), but that's due to time travel stuff.  However, he recently resurfaced again in the body of the Living Brain, a robot servant that Parker Industries has been using.  But how this happened was never explained until ASM #18.  And it's a very "comic book" reason why.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
During the events of Spider-Verse, Superior spent a lot of time in 2099.  He used tech available there to create an AI assistant modeled after Anna, the woman he was in love with.  What gets revealed is that he also used tech there to create a virtual copy of his brain, which was stored in some gauntlets he created.  During the storyline events, he loses the gauntlets, which combine into this mecha-spider thing housing his back-up memory.  It follows Superior back to the present and hides.  After 100 days, the mecha reactivates and Ock scurries around, trying to find a way to take over another body.  He finds that the tech he has only works on Peter's body and decides to upload himself into the Living Brain as a "lifeboat" to use until he figures something out.

So things finally come to light and he attacks Spider-Man, trying to get his body back, fails, and then blows himself up after revealing who he is.  However, the little mecha is still around and he heads off to the corporation that is the focus of the Dead No More storyline.
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So what is the Dead No More storyline about?  It's the Jackal, back for the umpteenth time, with a process available to bring dead people back to life, memories intact.  When he brings people back, they have to take a drug he has to stay alive, effectively putting them under his control. 
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He brings back Electro's girlfriend, who ends up getting his powers, and also brings back the Prowler, who was working for Spidey, and was killed breaking into the corporation to figure out what's up.  So now he's basically a double agent.
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This is gonna make for a fun storyline if done right.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 25, 2016, 11:21:08 PM
Batman (2016) #6

This issue made me tear up and that pretty much *never* happens with a comic. Damn.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 25, 2016, 11:46:30 PM
The Psycho-Pirate is perhaps DC's most intriguing and underused villain ever. A character driven insane by the knowledge of DC's various reboots? Amazing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 26, 2016, 12:45:00 AM
Teen Titans (2014-2016) #24

The final issue of the Scott Lobdell-less (*spits*) New 52 Teen Titans was a good eulogy for Tim (spoilers.) Gar said it best:

(http://i.imgur.com/cUYj3sX.png)

On the eve of the Rebirth relaunch (with Damian at the helm), I'm trying to decide how I felt about this 24-issue run. This series wasn't as grossly abhorrent as the Lobdell-helmed travesty, but it didn't really stand out either. Much of it was about turning the Titans into celebrities, trying to integrate "hip" things like "Chipper" (aka DC Twitter), and bringing in generic YA tropes like "the world is out to get us." It was a bland series filled with sparse but fan-pleasing character moments and interactions.

Hopefully Damian can inject some life into the new Rebirth series, even if it contributes to the worrying Damian overload that's been building ever since his introduction years ago.

With Tim out of the Teen Titans, and the "teen-less" Titans focused squarely on pre-New 52 Wally West's era (with Nightwing, Donna Troy, et al), I have some hope that whenever Tim eventually returns, we'll see a "rebirth" of his fantastic Red Robin solo series. One can hope, anyways.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 28, 2016, 05:29:27 PM
Going to a Graphic Novel Book Club on Friday since that's a lot more appealing for me (way less time required in preparation) than a normal book club.  First two graphic novels are Warren Ellis' Orbiter and Joss Whedon's Fray.

Read Orbiter.  Liked it.  Nice little sci-fi story, but I kind of feel some of these one-shot comics aren't the most satisfying because there's just not enough pages to really develop a story and run with it.  Orbiter sorta reads like the prologue to a larger sci-fi series.  Do they do stuff like this sometimes in comics to see how it sells and if it's popular then they come back and make a sequel series? 

Gonna read Fray tonight.  The art is sorta that Aeon Flux kinda bad ;_;
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 05:45:37 PM
Do they do stuff like this sometimes in comics to see how it sells and if it's popular then they come back and make a sequel series? 
In some cases, but in the case of Warren Ellis that's often just how he writes things. Ocean is very similar.

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Fray is part of the Buffyverse. :shh
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2016, 05:51:56 PM
I read East of West, I really liked it. Very nice job peeling the layers of the world's onion. And then dots connect.

The United States is divided into seven nations, the Civil War lasted until 1908, and it shows you the main figures of all the nations right away for a brief bit. But then goes back to visit each nation in turn to setup the plot and characters from that one to add to the rest.

Read the rest of Saga up to current. Some of the decision making behind this story and the time skips is very odd.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 29, 2016, 06:50:37 PM
Fray was good fun even if I'm not really a Buffy person (saw some of the early stuff back in the day but didn't follow it).  Lotta good funny Whedon dialogues.  I do love my good Whedon dialogues and whimsical characters like the demon buddy partner.  Also enjoyed the ending.

Ocean by Ellis was pretty darn solid.  I think Ellis writes really good badass characters, and for some reason all his great characters are non-white which is kinda nice.  The guy here, the spanish woman in Trees, and the black bourne-type guy in Injection are all awesome badass characters with tight smart writing.  As a light sci-fi I found it enjoyable and it wrapped up fairly nicely.  It also had good art.  All of this stuff is why I liked it more than Orbiter.  I saw some people talking down Ellis and Ocean for being too low-brow with sex and food jokes, but I feel it lightens up the mood from an otherwise serious story.  It's sort of like a more mature Whedon.  The only kinda lame thing was the Doors/Windows/Borg thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on September 29, 2016, 08:35:03 PM
http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/why-it-matters-that-greg-rucka-finally-admitted-wonder-woman-is-queer

Where's the "duh" emoticon?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on October 06, 2016, 02:56:22 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/xdHtvnl.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 06, 2016, 11:17:46 AM
Champions: This was a fun read.  I'm not caught up yet on All-New Avengers so I don't know if this takes place after Civil War II or during it.  The youngest Avengers members, Ms. Marvel, Spider-Man (Miles), and Nova all quit and form their own team, fed-up with the older folks not doing more to help out (stuff like repairing structures after fights) and recruit The Hulk (Cho) and Viv Vision (Vision's "daughter").  Looks like the younger Cyclops will join too.

Spider-Man: Not sure if ASM #19 was the last part of the Dead No More prequel storyline or not.  This issue focused on Aunt May's husband, Jay, who is J. Jonah Jameson's father- he was sick and had two options- conventional treatment or new tech from New U, the company with a miracle medical cure for anything (that can also bring people back to life) which is controlled by The Jackal.  For whatever reason, Jay will only listen to Peter's opinion and opts for conventional treatment.  Peter is not sure why, but every time he encounters someone with New U treatment, his spider-sense goes crazy.  So what happens? 
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Well, the regular means doesn't work and Jay dies.  Meanwhile, Peter decides while doing Spider-Man shit to use the New U treatment but it's too late.
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Good job, Pete!  :doge  There's also a backup story where the Jackal approaches The Kingpin and attempts to sway him to his side by bringing back his deceased wife, but Kingpin is icecold gangsta bitch and snaps her neck because he doesn't want to be controlled by the Jackal.

Death of X: "The mini-series that details what happened to Cyclops!  Eight months in the making!"  Aaaaaaand....it's nothing.  As in, nothing we don't already know- the Inhumans' terrigen mist kills mutants.  Yup.  This is not a big reveal.  :zzz

Spider-Man 2099: "Civil War 2099" concludes with the future big head of SHIELD being a skrull who thinks he's an elderly-immortal J. Jonah Jameson who thinks Spidey 2099 is a time-traveling Peter Parker.
:crazy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on October 06, 2016, 12:31:33 PM
How do they explain terrigen mist killing mutants? haven't mutants been exposed to terrigen before?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on October 08, 2016, 04:31:54 PM
Finished my Trade volumes #1 read of comics I got from the last 2 years of Image modern created-owned comics.  My thoughts:

East of West - Pretty solid Hickman apocalyptic tale.  At this point I've read enough comics that nothing feels original and everything story-wise and character-wise and even scene-wise feels like I've already seen it somewhere (4 horseman, X-men Apocalypse; Death as vengeance anti-hero, Preacher; Post-apocalyptic sci-fi western, even bits of Hickman's other running Manhatten Projects, etc...), but it's pretty enjoyable pulp.  Will continue reading this.

I think I already talked about how Warren Ellis' Injection was the shit, but I'll make another note here in case you haven't read it. 

Jupiter's Circle - Apparently this is a prequel by Mark Millar to a different Millar series.  Was ok.

Kaptara - Kind of generic sci-fi lost on another planet thing, but I do like the He-Man-esque feel of it a bit.  Still not bothering past this volume.

Low - Rick Remender's underwater Mad Max.  Gorgeous art, decently entertaining, will continue.

Nailbiter - Horror slasher film monsters True Detective mystery tale.  Entertaining.  Will continue.

No Mercy - Oh no, kids on an international trip are stuck in a dangerous area and will get killed off left & right battle royale-ish.  Zzz

Nowhere Men - Suuuuuper similar to The Manhatten Projects about scientists who went wrong, but also about mutant astronauts X-men style.  Was ok, but don't think I'll read more.

Ody-c by Matt Fraction about sci-fi Norse gods or something, idk the art and panel layouts were too psychedelic out that I thought it was miserable to read and bailed halfway.

Outcast was ok, I can see why they'd make a tv show out of it.  Very slow paced and a bit boring.  No interest in continuing.

Phonogram Kara got me into this.  Wasn't hugely sold by Volume 1 since it felt fairly elitist UK britpop blogging in philosophical form, but love volume #2 which is just a fun comic about people having a good time at a club and how music effects them.  Individual the club stories are fairly shallow, but together as a single piece the interwoven story is fantastic and the tracklist is great.  One of the best comics I've read.  Now I can't stop listening to Pull Shapes.

Satellite Sam - Noir television industry murder mystery.  Kinda interesting, kind of boring.  Probably not going to continue.

Shutter - Weird randomly super-violent w/furries action adventure?  Sorta intriguing.  Might check out volume 2+

The Fade Out - Another Noir television/movie industry murder mystery.  Fairly entertaining like most Brubaker comics.  Beyond that didn't really grab me, but might check out vol.2

The Wicked & The Divine - Enjoyed the first volume quite a bit since I like gods and mythology.  Only bummer is they got rid of the most interesting character in volume 1.  But definitely will check out 2+

Trees - Another neat Ellis' story.  Don't like it anywhere near as much as Injection, it's also depressingly bleak view of people in a world post alien tree landings.  But will grab volume 2 next image sale.

Velvet - More entertaining Brubaker action mystery thrillers.  Fairly popcorn but fun.  Surprised they haven't made a movie out of it yet.  Will check out volume 2.

Virgil - "A Queersploitation Revenge Tale" the back cover says.  Yup, that's exactly what it is.  Fairly entertaining for that kind of genre.  The setting in Jamaica was interesting.

Wolf - I had to check if this was written by the guy who wrote Fables.  It isn't, but it's the exact same concept but darker.  I like that kind of concept (personification of fable/myth characters).  Will grab volume 2 next sale.

So yeah, some good stuff in there.  Next time there's an image sale will pick up the next few volumes of a good chunk of them.  Still need to read Saga and more of Fables, but since they're both lengthy been saving until I finished all the volume 1s.  Looking forward to the next image humble bundle sale of new volume 1s to check out.

So it's IMAGE COMICS SALE TIME.

I'm picking up vol.2 of some of the above that I enjoyed.  A bunch of them aren't on sale this time though boooo (may end up paying full $12 for Phonogram Vol.3 at some point). 

Are there any volume 1s I should check out this sale?, I know Rax sorta recommended Monstress, so I'm thinking about grabbing Vol.1 of that.  Anything else that's not on the above list that I should grab because it's excellent?

*edit*
things on sale I'm grabbing: Deadly Class vol.4, East of West vol.2-4, Wicked & The Divine Vol.2-3
things not on sale this time that I want:  The Fade Out vol.2+, Velvet vol.2+, Wolf vol.2, Trees Vol.2, Phonogram Vol.3, Shutter Vol.2+
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2016, 04:38:43 PM
Descender, Paper Girls, Plutona, I Hate Fairyland, and We Stand Guard are all good pick-ups.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on October 08, 2016, 04:42:25 PM
Cool, I have Descender (my list is missing the A-D stuff I read earlier), but I'll see if those others are on sale :rock

Really not a fan of the cover artstyle of I Hate Fairyland so I'll pass.  Too Hot Topic for me.  We Stand Guard isn't on sale (too bad cause I like Vaughn a lot and I see mechs).  Will try Paper Girls and Plutona even if they look a little bit suspect in the :uguu cover department.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 08, 2016, 07:55:59 PM
Fairyland's pretty fun, not self-serious at all.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 09, 2016, 10:34:34 AM
How do they explain terrigen mist killing mutants? haven't mutants been exposed to terrigen before?

They still haven't said why yet.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on October 16, 2016, 10:52:27 AM
I just got satisfactions that the comics that I sent to CGC to get graded back in JULY finally got reviewed. This is what happens when you go for the cheapest option  :doge

So here are my grades. Please don't judge my submissions, I've sent stuff that I liked myself, nothing super rare or SRIOUS reading material.



Punisher   #1   7/87       9.4    WHITE (First american comic I remember seeing on a shelf when I was a kid. It looked super bad-ass to me)
Punisher Kills the Marvel Universe   #1   2008 9.6    WHITE (it's hilarious)
Punisher   #1   7/16    Maleev Variant Cover 9.8    WHITE (its a pretty cool cover)
Untold Tales of Punisher Max   #5   12/12 9.6    WHITE (I met the cover artist randomly a few years ago, and bought a big version of that cover from him, and goddamn a year later, I see that its been chosen to be the cover. )
Amazing Spider-Man   #9   5/16       Lotay Variant Cover    9.6    WHITE       ""Women of Power"" variant cover. (interesting cover.)
DC Comics: Bombshells   #1   10/15   9.4    WHITE (pretty damn rad cover and super fun comic book.)

and then the signed ones, witnessed by a cgc guy, so its all legit:
Archie vs. Predator   #1   4/15    9.6    WHITE    SIGNED BY FERNANDO RUIZ (quite a conversation starter, funny stuff)
Batman: Odyssey   #2   10/10    9.4    WHITE    SIGNED BY NEAL ADAMS (batshit insane amount of dialogs, bad ass cover)
Harley Quinn   #25   4/16 Adams Variant Cover       Signature       9.8    WHITE    SIGNED BY NEAL ADAMS (neat cover)

So yeah. 4 months of waiting time tho.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 16, 2016, 11:14:53 AM
Did you get them graded to sell them?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on October 17, 2016, 07:49:40 PM
nah, to keep them. They aren't worth a lot of money.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on October 21, 2016, 02:56:43 AM
http://www.openculture.com/2015/11/moebius-jodorowskys-sci-fi-masterpiece-the-incal-brought-to-life-in-a-tantalizing-animation.html

Holy mackerel. I was hoping to put this in the movie thread, but it's just a revamped version of an earlier trailer. The marrying of Moebius' art to 3D cg assets is pretty impressive as a shorthand technique. I think it could work, though I always enjoy the still shots better when work is so detailed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 21, 2016, 10:12:48 AM
Some studio really needs to throw a few million these guys' way so they can make the whole movie.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Take My Breh Away on October 22, 2016, 12:21:15 PM
Fucking 2016. What a fucking legend you were, Mr. Dillon  :'(

(http://i.imgur.com/ygNls9D.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 26, 2016, 11:46:28 AM
Detective Comics #943

(https://i.redd.it/xy3it1p45ttx.png)

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Would have more of an impact if Tim was actually, you know, dead, but still can feel the feels here.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 26, 2016, 12:47:26 PM
Lost another Robin!?
(http://i.imgur.com/I0R7xFo.jpg)

New 52
(http://i.imgur.com/I0R7xFo.jpg)

Hey, have you read Civil War II?
(http://i.imgur.com/I0R7xFo.jpg)

IT WAS THE WATCHMEN BEHIND THE SCENES
(http://i.imgur.com/I0R7xFo.jpg)

They replaced me with Gordon in a robo-rabbit batsuit
(http://i.imgur.com/I0R7xFo.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 26, 2016, 12:51:52 PM
:dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 26, 2016, 12:52:45 PM
Saw Batman Vs. Superman
(http://i.imgur.com/I0R7xFo.jpg)

Then saw Suicide Squad
(http://i.imgur.com/I0R7xFo.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 26, 2016, 02:01:26 PM
My .PNG cut jobs
(http://i.imgur.com/NbYf2Bf.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 02:30:14 PM
DC's Young Animal imprint has been pretty good so far, really bringing the weird with Shade, The Changing Girl and Doom Patrol. Haven't read Cave Carson yet, but I might pick that up sometime later, definitely looking forward to Mother Panic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on October 26, 2016, 04:11:40 PM
Read Monstress Vol.1, liked it a lot.  The art is soooooooooooooooooooooo good.  The storytelling seems like trying to do a big LoTR/GoT fantasy epic thing with a bit of lovercraftian horror eldricht gods, which I'm cool with.  Definitely looking forward to vol.2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 04:24:53 PM
I've been reading the singles for that and, yeah, it's really good. Wish the release schedule wasn't so erratic, but having the extra time definitely shows in the end product.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on October 26, 2016, 04:48:51 PM
I'm not surprised at all by the release schedule.  The art is way above normal comic detail. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 26, 2016, 04:55:45 PM
Only comic I can think of off-hand that has anywhere close to that level of detail is Joe Benitez's Lady Mechanika, which is a pretty alright series, too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on October 27, 2016, 03:41:37 AM
Reading the first volume of Rat Queens. I like it so far.

Apparently there's some author who has just quit twitter because she was harassed incessantly (http://www.cbr.com/mockingbird-writer-chelsea-cain-quits-twitter-due-to-harassment/) about her comic. This is a novelist, who had a successful series of million-selling novels prior to taking on comics, and "never blocked anyone on Twitter until she started writing a relatively low-profile comic book series." 

Fucking fanboys, making both comics AND games hard to cheer for.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: VomKriege on October 27, 2016, 03:48:56 AM
If more money can have it be animated a bit better, then yes please.

Fifth Element is basically an Incal rip off anyway.

Money could really help it. What is presented is very uneven and crude, but the technique do work well at some points (locations and setting).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 27, 2016, 07:56:14 AM
Civil War II #6: Stuff happens and yet it continues to feel like nothing has happened since Bruce Banner was killed at the beginning of the story.  I.E., Bendis.

Because this crap has been delayed so much and Marvel has continued on, we already know a big chunk of the outcome from this, from other books:
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-Champions: The younger heroes all up and left in Civil War II.  We saw that they formed their own team already in Champions #1.

-Iron Man: Looks like he's gonna die at the end of Civil War II- at the end of Infamous Iron Man #1, Doom goes to Stark's lab and is greeted by an A.I. version of Stark.  Doom babbles on that Stark "did it" and backed up his consciousness digitally.  I wonder if this means that digital Stark will inhabit Riri Williams' armor in her book.

-Guardians Of The Galaxy: Looks like this will be getting a roster change.  The Thing pops up in Infamous Iron Man as an agent of SHIELD.

-The Hulk: Bruce Banner may already be coming back.  :lol  in Uncanny Avengers #15, they get a tip-off that The Hand is resurrecting him.
:dead
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Also have to say that Captain Marvel has been one of the most unlikeable characters in a long time.  She seems to be 100% wrong and there's not much to sympathize with her side on.  I don't think anyone is writing her very well.  It's like nobody knows what to really do with the character.

My favorite part of this story, and it's covered more in Guardians Of The Galaxy (also written by Bendis), is that they killed Bruce Banner because he might have become the Hulk again -but didn't- but yet they just captured Thanos, who murdered War Machine and put She-Hulk in the hospital...and act like it's nothing.  :lol  At least Bendis covered this and had Gamora lose her shit over it.

Other books:

The Prowler #1: Ties into Dead No More, which is a GOOD Marvel storyline event.  Focuses on The Prowler being a good guy and stopping bank robberies and shit, despite the fact that he was killed and resurrected by the Jackal, and is basically his slave.  He says that the Jackal is now a "humanitarian" and this makes no sense because clearly something is up with his resurrection process and you know something shady is going on.

Death Of X #2: Still waiting for something new to happen here.  :zzz
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on October 27, 2016, 09:56:29 AM
Apparently there's some author who has just quit twitter because she was harassed incessantly (http://www.cbr.com/mockingbird-writer-chelsea-cain-quits-twitter-due-to-harassment/) about her comic. This is a novelist, who had a successful series of million-selling novels prior to taking on comics, and "never blocked anyone on Twitter until she started writing a relatively low-profile comic book series." 

Fucking fanboys, making both comics AND games hard to cheer for.

This really makes me sad, especially since Mockingbird was a really fun series. :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 27, 2016, 04:02:13 PM
I dont feel great about Wonder Woman fighting poachers in the 75th anniversary special, I kinda really dislike WW being painted as a mother nature kinda gal.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 27, 2016, 11:44:16 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/7aQAMOO.jpg)

 :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 09, 2016, 11:26:41 PM
Spider-Man: Dead No More: The Clone Conspiracy #2:  Finally hitting the payoff here.  This story is awesome and if you're a spidey fan, you'll mark the hell out.  We finally get the gist of what's going on and some long-dead characters return.

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First we see The Scarlet Spider-Kaine, back from the 'dead' (last seen in the Spider-Verse storyline), having a nightmare about being chased by zombies.  He needs to give someone we don't see medicine.

Spider-Man has infiltrated the New-U building and has been confronted by the newly-resurrected Doc Ock.  He doesn't believe that anyone he's seeing isn't a clone, but Otto tells him how he remembers being the Superior Spider-Man and running around in a robot body for months after being "dead."  The Jackal stops the fight and gives Spider-Man a tour of the facility, introducing him to a ton of formerly-deceased Spider-Man characters.  Not just villains...but people like Jean DeWolfe and Captain Stacey are there.  The only one who doesn't set off Spider-Man's spider-sense is Gwen.

And that's because this is NOT Gwen Stacey.  Or rather...it's the alternate reality Spider-Gwen in "disguise."  :o  LOLWTF?!  Spider-Gwen and the Scarlet Spider have been working in secret to stop the Jackal and New U. 

And this is because the nightmare Kaine had was him remembering what had happened on an alternate earth, where the Jackal and Peter Parker TEAMED UP to use the New U drug on everyone and created a zombie apocalypse-- anyone resurrected who doesn't take the daily pill becomes a zombie and can infect others...so they didn't want to tell Spider-Man their plan but decided to intervene for reasons not yet known.
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Crazy shit.  I love these stories that Dan Slott has been coming up with.  1000 times better than Civil War II.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 25, 2016, 05:52:17 PM
How about that Death of X #4 everyone?  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Marvel is like fuck the Xmen, Inhumans is where its at (cuz they can be in the MCU)  :jawalrus
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on November 25, 2016, 08:21:13 PM
I'd say that Marvel shitting on the X-Men in general, and the shenanigans like killing the Fantastic Four book before that recent movie, are my least favorite aspects of Marvel's ascension to mainstream pop culture.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 26, 2016, 12:00:13 AM
How about that Death of X #4 everyone?  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Marvel is like fuck the Xmen, Inhumans is where its at (cuz they can be in the MCU)  :jawalrus
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In case anyone is wondering:

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The big revelation in this book is that Cyclops died in the first issue.  He was exposed to the terrigen cloud, got sick, and died quickly afterwards.  Everything you see afterwards is Emma Frost mentally-projecting him and his "ideas" onto everyone.
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Marvel seems to have dialed it back with the Inhumans shit though.  It's no longer a movie and is gonna be a TV show, right?  But still, Inhumans blows and they are never going to replace the X-Men.  Get over Fox already, Marvel, and stop shitting on the X-Men and the Fantastic Four.  This crap is stupid.

Next up is Inhumans Vs. X-Men.  Let's see how many more mutants they decide to kill off.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: thisismyusername on November 26, 2016, 12:14:12 AM
I don't think the plot-point (the Terrigen Clouds) was stupid or not something they could've intelligently explored. But the way Cyclops went out (twice) along with other issues makes me want no further cross-overs from those IP's.

At this point, Marvel should hat-in-hand work with Fox. It's not a Sony deal where they had a successful trilogy but floundered elsewhere. X-men under Fox brought in a bunch of young fans in the 90's and still has those folks. So working with Singer and getting the young cast (since the older ones are pretty much done now and the two-three that still wanted to do the series are retiring with Logan) would be a huge boon for them in regards to MCU.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 26, 2016, 12:18:06 AM
I'm beginning to wonder if the plan here is to slowly kill off all of the original X-Men and replace them with their younger still-time-displaced counterparts.  We've got young Jean and now young Cyclops as the only versions of themselves.  Maybe Beast is next.

Death Of X also reminded me of something.  Maybe I missed this resolution somewhere, but I remember Havok getting turned evil from the Axis storyline crap and kidnapping the Wasp.  He popped back up like nothing happened as did the Wasp.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 26, 2016, 01:37:25 PM
He was still inverted but sometime after that he met up with Cyke again and the 2 were going to do something. I don't know what, the Bendis run just sort of ended. I feel like all of Axis was quickly frogotten as was the fact that him and Wasp have a kid out here somewhere with Kang.

I really hope the plan isn't to replace them. I really dislike the young X-men and find their inclusion so lame and pointless.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 26, 2016, 01:41:24 PM
And to be fair I think they are repositioning the X-men with Resurection and the launch of Blue and Gold.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 26, 2016, 03:24:53 PM
How about that Death of X #4 everyone?  :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Marvel is like fuck the Xmen, Inhumans is where its at (cuz they can be in the MCU)  :jawalrus
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In case anyone is wondering:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The big revelation in this book is that Cyclops died in the first issue.  He was exposed to the terrigen cloud, got sick, and died quickly afterwards.  Everything you see afterwards is Emma Frost mentally-projecting him and his "ideas" onto everyone.
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Marvel seems to have dialed it back with the Inhumans shit though.  It's no longer a movie and is gonna be a TV show, right?  But still, Inhumans blows and they are never going to replace the X-Men.  Get over Fox already, Marvel, and stop shitting on the X-Men and the Fantastic Four.  This crap is stupid.

Next up is Inhumans Vs. X-Men.  Let's see how many more mutants they decide to kill off.  :doge


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Once again Cyclops goes out like a chump and now add fucking terrorist to his list due to Emma.
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Apparently Fiege made mention that's its not dead and instead pushed out of phase 3 but with their kind being on Agents of Shield and now the TV Series, maybe he's just bullshitting.

Also i forgot they killed the Fantatistic Four comic series  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 27, 2016, 12:36:57 PM
These limited edition variant covers of Providence #11 are pretty dope.

https://factsprovidence.wordpress.com/moore-lovecraft-comics-annotation-index/century-variant-covers/

(http://i.imgur.com/0XCTQH4.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2016, 04:07:50 AM
Finally got to the controversial Spider-Man one more day arc after civil war & back in black.  Not really sure how this can even work with the retcon because it basically changes the timeline for the entire marvel universe in a lot of ways that I guess will be apparent as I read the marvel comics from this point.  Kinda a shame to see his back in black Kingpin beatdown retconned.

Having no idea what one more day was gonna be about, but having heard about it being the end to JMS Spider-Man and not really hearing anyone talk about Peter Parker arcs much after, I thought One More Day was going to be an arc where they kill off Parker and end Amazing Spiderman for good and someone else takes over as Spiderman.  Not sure if that would've been better as it felt like some stuff was never resolved.  Like now that they're retconning, are they dropping the entire Spider God Totem mystical greater will guiding Spider-Man subplot that never really resolved?  Because that felt like an interesting direction to take the character and felt like it was building up to something big, but it just gave a few enemies and the never really explained the point of the mystical spider god.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 28, 2016, 07:31:01 AM
Finally got to the controversial Spider-Man one more day arc after civil war & back in black.  Not really sure how this can even work with the retcon because it basically changes the timeline for the entire marvel universe in a lot of ways that I guess will be apparent as I read the marvel comics from this point.  Kinda a shame to see his back in black Kingpin beatdown retconned.

Having no idea what one more day was gonna be about, but having heard about it being the end to JMS Spider-Man and not really hearing anyone talk about Peter Parker arcs much after, I thought One More Day was going to be an arc where they kill off Parker and end Amazing Spiderman for good and someone else takes over as Spiderman.  Not sure if that would've been better as it felt like some stuff was never resolved.  Like now that they're retconning, are they dropping the entire Spider God Totem mystical greater will guiding Spider-Man subplot that never really resolved?  Because that felt like an interesting direction to take the character and felt like it was building up to something big, but it just gave a few enemies and the never really explained the point of the mystical spider god.

I've been talking about Spider-Man storylines in this thread for a good while now.
:stahp

Superior Spider-Man and Spider-Verse also got a lot of attention/press.

I didn't read the majority of the JMS Spidey stuff.  Just pretty much "The Other" and that was about it.  And I also never read a big chunk Dan Slott's current run-- I came back to Spider-Man only a few years ago.  But the mystical-spider stuff definitely pops back up and Ezekial is still mentioned here or there.  As for the retcon...I don't think it really affected anything outside of the Spider-Man books.  I also think it's really fucking stupid.  Pete is still not back with MJ, although now one of alternate reality storylines where he and MJ have a daughter (who has powers) and MJ wears a suit that mimics Spider-Man's powers has its own ongoing book.

If you haven't been paying any attention to Spider-Man stories (and you're still a few years away from all this stuff), there is going to be a point where multiple Spider characters pop up.  The Superior Spider-Man, Silk (yet another retcon where there is now a female Spider-Woman who got bit at the same time as Pete, lol), Spider-Gwen (alternate reality character who pops up in the 616 universe from time to time), The Scarlet Spider (Kaine), and Miles Morales (Ultimate Spider-Man who has been moved into 616 recently) among others.

Whereas pretty much every big Marvel crossover storyline is pretty much shit, the Spider-Man events have been pretty fun.  The current "Dead No More" arc has been a blast.  I like how Slott rewards readers for sticking around long-term.

I really ought to sub to Marvel Unlimited and see what I missed from the mid-90s up through 2009 or so.  I suspect most of the 90s stuff is crap since that was Marvel's low point -both creatively and financially- and is the reason why I dropped them back then.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on November 28, 2016, 12:53:07 PM
Well when you talk about Spider-Man I figure you were talking about a non-Peter Parker Spiderman :p I thought this Miles Morales guy I've heard about would take it over after Marvel killed Parker off, but yeah I was wrong about that.

Good to hear the mystic stuff is still in.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 28, 2016, 03:05:09 PM
Well when you talk about Spider-Man I figure you were talking about a non-Peter Parker Spiderman :p

:huh

I thought this Miles Morales guy I've heard about would take it over after Marvel killed Parker off, but yeah I was wrong about that.

You have your universes mixed up- Miles Morales was the new Ultimate universe Spider-Man.  It was Ultimate Spider-Man who got killed off (he also came back  :lol  I'm not spoiler-tagging that because it was right before they stopped the book and was a nonsensical storyline that went nowhere), not the 616 version. 

Then when Marvel decided to kill off the entire Ultimate line, they took a big chunk of characters from the Miles Spider-Man book and integrated them into the 616 universe.  Maybe I'm forgetting someone, but after the big Secret Wars event last year, both Ultimate Spider-Man and friends, Ultimate Reed Richards (who is a villain), and Old Man Logan were moved to the main Marvel U.  It wouldn't surprise me if some "forgotten" Ultimate character(s) pop up for a later in another storyline event, too.  In fact the original Thor just got a new book and it's about him trying to get to a second hammer that popped up out of nowhere...likely from Secret Wars.

Maybe what you're also thinking of is the Superior Spider-Man.  This is the book where Peter Parker was replaced by someone else.  He of course inevitably came back as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on December 01, 2016, 03:48:26 AM
You guys are making me SO HAPPY to be uninterested in mainstream comics. Death in Marvel and DC has become more trivialized than a D&D game run by an 11-year-old with ADHD.

Picked up some stuff in Comixology's recent sale. The Rat Queens is a bunch of fun (if you're a former 11-year-old D&D player who eschewed Resurrection) and kind of titillating and raunchy. Also picked up Ellis' TREES first three volumes -- the art in this is fresh and loose and awesome. I'm used to seeing more standard stuff accompanying Ellis' work, so this is super welcome.

Also rolling back through some HELLBLAZER tradepaperbacks, and realizing they were really a product of their era. Whew. Kinda... I dunno, embarrassing? I give it another 5 years, and they'll be more nostalgic than embarrassing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 02, 2016, 02:05:51 PM
Inhumans Vs. X-Men #0 focuses on Beast trying to find a cure for the terrigen cloud killing mutants and on Emma Frost doin' thangs behind the scenes, including plotting something with some woman at the Hellfire Club whose face is not shown.  In the end, Beast stumbles on Medusa telling the Inhuman leaders that the inevitable is going to happen and that they're going to have to take out the X-Men.  Even though Emma is also plotting retaliation, the way everything went down in this book made the Inhumans out as the bad guys to me.  They continue to be so damn unlikable, IMO. 

At one point, Iso, the Inhuman assisting Beast with his research, also suggests that maybe they can just get rid of the X-Gene in mutants to stop the terrigen cloud from doing anything to them, effectively making them no longer mutants.  Imma LOL hard if this is all just a plot by Marvel to just get rid of mutants altogether and have them all become Inhumans instead.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on December 23, 2016, 05:49:30 PM
I wanna read some DC stuff thanks to Young Justice, but I don't know where to start. An employee at the Midtown Comics near my job explained to me today what The New 52 is and suggested that I start with Batman or The Justice League. Would you guys agree with this? Can you recommend me something? I wanna order some stuff while their sale is going on.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on December 23, 2016, 07:40:44 PM
If you liked Young Justice I would recommend Teen Titans, it is pretty Young Justicey.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/c1/Teen_Titans_-_A_Kid's_Game.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070207174655)
This is the first graphic novel in the run I would recommend. I sort of liked the new 52 run of Teen Titans but objectively it was not that good so it is sort of difficult to recommend.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 23, 2016, 08:12:23 PM
TT New 52 v1 was garbage, which was no surprise considering it was written by human trash Scott Lobdell. Cancelled halfway through it's run and eventually replaced by an unoffensive but uninspired run.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on December 24, 2016, 12:55:19 AM
If you liked Young Justice I would recommend Teen Titans, it is pretty Young Justicey.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/c1/Teen_Titans_-_A_Kid's_Game.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070207174655)
Of course they don't have this. I'll just get it from amazon or somewhere else.

Also, I'm not only looking for comics like Young Justice. As long as its DC, its good, and I'll learn more about some of these characters, I'll be happy with it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 24, 2016, 03:28:11 PM
If you liked Young Justice I would recommend Teen Titans, it is pretty Young Justicey.

(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/c/c1/Teen_Titans_-_A_Kid's_Game.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070207174655)
This is the first graphic novel in the run I would recommend. I sort of liked the new 52 run of Teen Titans but objectively it was not that good so it is sort of difficult to recommend.

I own that run of Teen Titans in TPB, it's pretty good. I also liked the Outsiders series that ran along side it. It was a Teen Titan-esque team that was led by Nightwing/Dick Grayson.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2016, 03:51:47 PM
TT will never not be Tim + Kon + Bart to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on December 27, 2016, 05:02:00 PM
Finished Warren Ellis's run on Thunderbolts last night (2007-2008 post-Civil War).  Was pretty dark, but good.  The finale of the arc is pretty nuts.  I have to say though, after reading a ton of Marvel I really dislike Bullseye.  Not only is he super evil murdering fucker (he's gotta be up there with most evil character in Marvel), but he's got insane plot armor up his ass so no one can ever really take him out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 28, 2016, 08:02:58 AM
Haven't talked about Spider-Man lately.  Of course nobody else here is reading it but me.  :'(

So over in the Clone Conspiracy, the big reveal recently has been that the Jackal is really
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Peter's clone Ben Reilly, the former Scarlet Spider and Spider-Man for a time, back from the dead.  He was resurrected (and killed) numerous times by the original Jackal (Professor Warren), who was trying to find a way to bring back people from the dead with clone bodies without their bodies disintegrating after a period of time.  Reilly finally breaks free and instead of just taking out Warren, he works to find a way to complete the research...using Warren as the test subject instead.  This is why there's a bunch of Warren clones helping out the Jackal at New U.  Reilly reveals himself to Peter and tells him that one of the people he wants to bring back is Uncle Ben.  Peter is initially pissed off but then decides to hear him out after a back and forth.  And this brings things full-circle, as Kaine has said that in alternate universes, Peter always ends up joining forces with this Jackal and creating a fucked-up zombie-like plague that destroys civilization.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2016, 08:27:12 PM
Since beezy asked, here's my trade/run recommendations (mostly) from Infinite Crisis to the present day. Titles in red are my tippy-top favorites.


Crossovers

Infinite Crisis (2006)
Geoff Johns penned this "middle crisis," which ended up being my favorite crossover ever. Exploring the contrast between the silver and modern ages of the DC Universe and what being a hero today really means, it pushed the trinity of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman further. There's a little lead up you might have to read for the full context (such as Brother Eye and Maxwell Lord), but for the most part you can go into it without many problems.

52 (2006-2007)
I admittedly haven't read most of it, but the central gimmick - exploring in "real time" (each issue is a week) what happened after Infinite Crisis, when the rest of the universe jumped forward a year - made for a very engaging hook. You get to see heroes you thought you'd never care about doing cool things, and it opens you up to how well the (massive) DC universe can function, even the smaller players, when in the right hands.

Final Crisis (2008)
Didn't care for it nearly as much as Infinite Crisis, and it's confusing in that trademark Grant Morrison way, but it's still a hallmark and full of great hero moments.

Flashpoint (2011)
If you've never quite "gotten" the Flash, this story will probably do it for you and is one of the few examples of a "darker alternate universe" done right.

Forever Evil (2013-2014)
I seem to disagree with the mainstream on this one, but this is the (only) crossover I think is truly great in the New 52. Focusing on Lex Luthor and a group of ostensible "super villains" as they battle evil alternate-dimension versions of the Justice League, the series served as a fantastic character piece for Lex and even got me caring about fucking Captain Cold and Bizarro. In a word, masterful.

Convergence (2015)
Or rather, certain miniseries of Convergence. I've never read the full thing or the framing story (about Brainiac and the multiverse and blah blah blah.) Convergence was fun and important because it brought back pre-New 52 stories and characters for the first time since it launched, opening the door to Rebirth.


Batman

Red Robin (2009-2011)
I'm biased as this is my favorite character, but I still recommend it to everyone because it's: 1. steeped in Batman lore, 2. focused on a sympathetic and well-written protagonist, 3. paced super tight and never wastes your time, 4. is pretty clever with its story "twists", and most importantly 5. features fucking revelatory art from my favorite comic book artist of all time, Marcus To.

Batman and Robin (2009-2011)
This is probably my favorite thing Grant Morrison's ever done. With Bruce Wayne "dead" after Final Crisis, original-Robin Dick Grayson steps into the cape and cowl opposite Bruce Wayne's newfound assassin son, Damian, as Robin. It's super fun and crazy and still somehow so very Batman at the end of the day, even though it never features Bruce Wayne himself. One of the most satisfying runs of any Batman comic I've ever read. Damian would later say, "We were the best, Grayson, no matter what anyone thinks," and he's entirely right.

Batman Incorporated (2010-2011 and 2012-2013)
Grant Morrison's Bat-magnum opus is larger than life, to its benefit and hindrance. Grant is great at globe-trotting bombast, but misses the mark frequently in this series when it comes to quieter character moments (which it must be said, are few and far between.) A massively important Batman story that culminates over 7-years of setup from Morrison himself, the series doesn't quite sustain itself dramatically, frequently taking long asides to characters and events that Grant very much cares about - whether or not you do.

Batman: The Black Mirror (2011)
A great Batman side-story featuring Dick as Batman, there's not much else to say other than strap in for a great ride.

Batman and Robin (2011-2015)
Peter J. Tomasi had big Morrison-shaped boots to fill after the series relaunched for the New 52, and while it never reaches the heights of its predecessors it's still a very solid book. The first couple arcs are a little shaky, and it almost feels like the entire floor beneath the series collapses after the events of Batman Incorporated, but it pulls itself up in the latter half of its run. It also features, in my opinion, the best Two-Face story outside The Long Halloween (which is my favorite non-canon Batman trade.)

Batman (2011-2016)
Scott Snyder and Greg Capullo reshape The Dark Knight inside and out, from his origin to his villains and even much of his personality, and they succeed wildly. The argument is never whether their run is good or not, it's about which arcs inside the run were best. Many cite the debut storylines "Court of Owls" and "Night of Owls" as the best, and while they were fantastic (introducing us to a completely new villanous organization that feels like it's been part of Bat-mythos from the start), my favorite was "Death of the Family." One of the best Joker stories ever, this arc had more tension in a few scant pages than most entire runs ever come close to. "Zero Year" was fun but overstuffed, "Endgame" was a little over-ambitious yet still satisfying, and "Superheavy" was batshit (sorry) off-the-wall craziness that somehow works (and I'm sad that incarnation of Batman didn't get to continue a little further.)

Batman: Li'l Gotham (2012-2013)
Most of the entries on this list are full cuts of prime steak, but this one is more like a light, sweet sorbet. Give a couple issues a read and I guarantee you'll be grinning from ear-to-ear most of the time, as I was. Dustin Nguyen (of Descender fame) contributes confectionery art to go along with the for-kids-but-still-enjoyable-for-adults writing. This was the only series at the start of the New 52 to keep the continuity and costumes of the previous DC Universe, and that added another layer of endearment for me personally.

Grayson (2014-2016)
One of the freshest, funnest, well-written titles I've ever read. Former-Robin and former-Nightwing Dick Grayson becomes an international superspy for Batman Incorporated's Spyral after the events of Forever Evil. You wouldn't think such a concept would work, but it does on the back of inventive and clever writing by Tim Seeley and Tom King, of whom I am a massive fan thanks to this series.

Batman Eternal (2014-2015)
A fucking all-star cast of Batman writers join forces in this year-long weekly series about the framing and exoneration of Jim Gordon and the team-up of every Batman family member, while also re-introducing fan favorites to the New 52. A brilliant series that I've gone on record as saying "this is everything I want out of a Batman story."

Batman and Robin Eternal (2015-2016)
The half-year sequel to Batman Eternal was a little more muddled than its predecessor but still featured the Bat-family in action and the re-introduction of fan favorites at a weekly clip. It also gets points for showing the early years of Dick as Robin, a first for the New 52's continuity, and despite his horrid horrid horrid new costume, it's compelling enough to keep you engaged to the end.

Robin: Son of Batman (2015-2016)
A character study of Damian, and if you don't like him then I'd still suggest giving this series a shot before writing him off. Damian is more vulnerable than ever before and you finally get to see inside his preteen-sized brain to see what makes him tick. A coming-of-age story combined with themes of atonement and honor, Robin: Son of Batman makes the best case for Damian Wayne since Morrison's run on Batman and Robin.

Detective Comics (2016-)
Detective Comics returns to its original numbering post-Rebirth, starting with issue #934. One of Rebirth's bimonthly series, it sees Batman assemble a team comprising of himself, Batwoman (Kate Kane), Red Robin (Tim Drake), Orphan (Cass Cain), Spoiler (Steph Brown), and former-villain Clayface (Basil Karlo) to fight a war against crime in Gotham. This series brings back vivid, fond memories of Batman Eternal with its strong team dynamics. This run is entering its fourth arc now, and I've never been more excited for new issues of Detective Comics.


Superman

Superman: Lois and Clark (2015-2016)
This follows from Convergence: Superman, where it's revealed the Superman from before the New 52 and his wife Lois Lane have escaped to find refuge in the New 52 universe. Also with them is their half-Kryptonian young son Jonathan Kent. Required reading for the below series, which is why I'm including it here.

Superman (2016-) and Superman: Rebirth (2016)
Superman's son Jon Kent has grown a few years and he assumes the mantle of Superboy (though his parents are much more trepidatious about this than he is, of course.) A story about growing up (with super powers) and finding your way under the shadow of your father's legacy, Rebirth's Superman series is at its core well-written and fun. Just a whole lot of fun and heart. And that's what I want in a Superman story, goddamnit.

Superman: American Alien (2016)
Internet vagabond and prolific screenwriter Max Landis puts his money where his mouth is (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw_GlYve_Lg) and writes this six-part Superman comic, each issue set during a different era of Clark's life and superhero career. And to be certain, this series is about Clark Kent, not Superman (necessarily.) In all honesty, this series should have been Clark's origin story in the New 52 and not an extra-canon side-story.


Other

Secret Six (2006 and 2014-2016)
These are two different series but they're both worth reading. Gail Simone got a lot of (deserved) praise for this team-up book, which for my money is far far better than anything with "Suicide Squad" in its title has ever been.

Justice League (2011-2016)
All of the story arcs for the New 52 Justice League were really solid, but my favorite was The Darkseid War (even if it felt a bit rushed.) The five-year build-up from Darkseid's initial attack at the start of the New 52 until now explodes into all-out war, with all players getting a chance to shine. (Also ties up some loose ends from Forever Evil.)

Shazam! (2014)
Geoff Johns worked overtime to re-tell Billy Batson’s origin story in extra pages of Justice League, but it’s hard to tell that from the collected volume. This is a wonderful take on the character, and while I originally wasn’t on-board with Billy’s new bratty demeanor, it ends up working for the story as written. If only Johns had enough time for another go at the character…

Teen Titans: Earth One (2014 and 2016)
I haven't ready the other Earth One books (which exist in their own completely-separate continuity, similar to Ultimate Marvel), and like Ultimate Marvel the Earth One books "streamline" and update the origins of heroes to make a little more plausible sense in a modern setting. Teen Titans: Earth One pulled this off to great effect, tying all the eventual-Titans together with a believable shared origin. Earth One books are also in "graphic novel" form - no monthly issues, the "trade" is released all at once! This format allows the writers a lot of breathing room and you can really see that with Teen Titans, as the individual characters' personalities and group interplay dynamics shine. I haven't gotten around to the recently-released second volume but I'm sure it's top notch too.

Midnighter (2015-2016)
Foil to Agent 37, Grayson's standout antihero gets his own short-lived series. Not much to say about the plots, but the character and power set of Midnighter feels fresh enough that you don't have to stop and think about things too hard.

DC Universe: Rebirth (2016)
The New 52 has ended. (Caucasian) Wally West from pre-Flashpoint returns to warn everyone about the perils the DC universe now faces: someone or something has stolen an entire decade from the heroes, and the signs point toward something you might not expect. More of a "woops, sorry" for the New 52 than anything, this extra-large one-shot sets up the current state of the DC universe and packs a couple fan favorite moments.

Titans (2016-) and Titans: Rebirth (2016)
Following on directly from DC Universe: Rebirth, this series involves the "original" Teen Titans as they seek to solve the mystery of New 52's "lost time." Seeing Nightwing, Roy Harper, (Caucasian) Wally West, Donna Troy and others back together as adults will warm the cockles of any fan of George Pérez's legendary Teen Titans run.


So WTF/Bad They're Entertaining

Identity Crisis (2004)
DC gets DARK and SERIOUS to hilarious effect. Plot holes and melodrama abound, and while some of it is effective (the Tim and Jack Drake subplot was well done, but I might be biased there) the end result is a vapid stain on the once-proud cape of the DC universe.

All Star Batman & Robin, the Boy Wonder (2005-2008)
Frank Miller goes fucking insane (again) and gives us a Batman that fucks Black Canary in public (with their costumes on) and forces Robin to eat rats to survive. Once you get over Batman not being Batman, you get some best-of-decade art courtesy Jim Lee and some truly LOL-worthy moments - including half an issue where Batman paints a room yellow just to fuck with Hal Jordan. Not kidding.

Countdown to Final Crisis (2007-2008)
DC head honcho Dan DiDio reportedly hated the brilliant 52 for specious reasons, and hailed Countdown as "52 done right." Karma was never a bigger bitch than with this series.


Ongoings

These are post-Rebirth titles that are now going, which I think are worth reading and keeping up with. Slightly biased since I'm so into Bat-stuff.

- Superman (2016)
- Batman (2016)
- Detective Comics (2016)
- Titans (2016)
- Nightwing (2016)
- Teen Titans (2016) Maybe, haven't read the issues yet but I have faith in the team (heard good things about Ben Percy's Green Arrow Stuff), and I'm a Damian fan.

Edit- Reordered by date and added Shazam.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on December 29, 2016, 10:09:29 PM
 :o

Thank you :bow

All I've bought since my last post in here is the New 52 Justice League, but I'll definitely pick up some stuff from your list.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2016, 10:25:27 PM
:o

Thank you :bow

All I've bought since my last post in here is the New 52 Justice League, but I'll definitely pick up some stuff from your list.

NP, I've been meaning to make a list like this for a while. :P

Give us a heads-up what you plan on picking up, as I can point out connected titles and list off some context for you.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 29, 2016, 11:32:04 PM
Midnighter is originally from The Authority/Stormwatch. The former of which he was in a homosexualist relationship with another hero raising a "daughter". He was saved from the pile of discontinuity for use in Grayson though.

52 is fucking amazing, but I think you need to have gone Grant Morrison obsession level with some of the canon to appreciate it to its max. It's the culmination of the fours (Waid/Morrison/Rucka/Johns) plus James Robinson's runs on Starman/JSA/Gotham Central/Checkmate/JLA/The Kingdom brought to a head due to Infinite Crisis to setup for Final Crisis. (And they may not have known it, but New Krypton. Also, because Morrison was involved there's all sorts of tiny setups for what eventually happens in The Multiversity.) The amazing thing is it does this with none of the major DC characters, Superman/Batman/Flash/etc. are all on the sidelines.

Final Crisis was poorly published and is still poorly collected, the entire thing, not just the main book events are the "final crisis" ending the main story arcs that Morrison, Rucka, and Johns had started much much earlier in other books, most of them in the Infinite Crisis tie-ins.

FC's central theme that evil wins, but it's pointless for them to win and thus end reality aka stories, so the multiverse self-reboots with its own literal deus ex machina to clear out the infection is lost because it's spread all over the tie-ins and Morrison put half the plot in two other books. This also undermines R.I.P. and its own, later, conclusion.

What they should have done is not held back Blackest Night or have held back Final Crisis. Using the former could fix a weird plot hole in the latter and would tie together the lone arc that gets ignored because Johns had all these plans in motion for Green Lantern so they barely appear in FC. Nekron's goal and actions in Blackest Night make infinitely more sense (and would have more weight than suddenly coming out of nowhere) if he's taking part in conjunction with Darkseid, Superboy Prime and Vandal Savage/Cain's bringing about of the "final crisis" event.

Anyway, Booster Gold spins out of 52 and is sweet. All the Batwoman stuff is pretty fun too.

I like Shadowpact, New 52's Justice League Dark was ultimately disappointing in comparison.

No Man's Land is Batman's and arguably DC's greatest story arc. Fight me about it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2016, 11:36:26 PM
Midnighter is originally from The Authority/Stormwatch. The former of which he was in a homosexualist relationship with another hero raising a "daughter". He was saved from the pile of discontinuity for use in Grayson though.

Ahhhhh I think I heard about that but forgot it, lol. Gotta hand it to Tim and Tom though.

52 is fucking amazing, but I think you need to have gone Grant Morrison obsession level with some of the canon to appreciate it to its max. It's the culmination of the fours (Waid/Morrison/Rucka/Johns) plus James Robinson's runs on Starman/JSA/Gotham Central/Checkmate/JLA/The Kingdom brought to a head due to Infinite Crisis to setup for Final Crisis. (And they may not have known it, but New Krypton. Also, because Morrison was involved there's all sorts of tiny setups for what eventually happens in The Multiversity.) The amazing thing is it does this with none of the major DC characters, Superman/Batman/Flash/etc. are all on the sidelines.

I forgot about The Multiversity. It probably would have made my list if I had finished it. :P

Final Crisis was poorly published and is still poorly collected, the entire thing, not just the main book events are the "final crisis" ending the main story arcs that Morrison, Rucka, and Johns had started much much earlier in other books, most of them in the Infinite Crisis tie-ins.

FC's central theme that evil wins, but it's pointless for them to win and thus end reality aka stories, so the multiverse self-reboots with its own literal deus ex machina to clear out the infection

:ohhh THAT'S what he was getting at? :lol That's not half bad but still.

is lost because it's spread all over the tie-ins and Morrison put half the plot in two other books. This also undermines R.I.P. and its own, later, conclusion.

Classic Morrison. Couldn't even step in to write Battle for the Cowl either.

What they should have done is not held back Blackest Night or have held back Final Crisis. Using the former could fix a weird plot hole in the latter and would tie together the lone arc that gets ignored because Johns had all these plans in motion for Green Lantern so they barely appear in FC. Nekron's goal and actions in Blackest Night make infinitely more sense (and would have more weight than suddenly coming out of nowhere) if he's taking part in conjunction with Darkseid, Superboy Prime and Vandal Savage/Cain's bringing about of the "final crisis" event.

Never read Blackest Night/Brightest Day but always really wanted to considering how many people get brought back from the dead, haha.

Anyway, Booster Gold spins out of 52 and is sweet. All the Batwoman stuff is pretty fun too.

Yup yup, just never read it.

No Man's Land is Batman's and arguably DC's greatest story arc. Fight me about it.

I can't really disagree, tbh. It was handled so well from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2016, 11:42:34 PM
benji what are your thoughts on Identity Crisis

spoiler (click to show/hide)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 12:16:42 AM
Civil War 2 was the biggest crock of shit ever. I can't believe I spent money on this garbage event.

Speaking of, Snyder might have thrown some shade at Marvel with their IvX and CWII events...

"SNYDER & CAPULLO's 2017 DC EVENT To Be 'Celebratory, Huge, & Crazy'" (http://www.newsarama.com/32547-snyder-capullo-s-2017-dc-event-to-be-celebratory-huge-crazy.html)

Quote
I don’t want it to be grim. I don’t want it to be superheroes arguing over something. Superheroes won’t be fighting superheroes.

All over my face. :aah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 30, 2016, 12:50:42 AM
:ohhh THAT'S what he was getting at? :lol That's not half bad but still.
Morrison has for about twenty-five years toyed with the metafictional aspect of the reality in comics as stories and their integrated relationship with the readers and authors. All the way back to Animal Man. It's all over The Invisibles to an insane level. It's in Doom Patrol, it's in The Filth, Seven Soldiers is about this. The core idea behind The Black Glove and R.I.P. is that all Batman stories are true because they've been written, you can't just write them out of existing. Flex Mentallo came about entirely because he decided that old ad where the guy kicks sand on the weakling who then works out and beats up the bully is somehow comic canon. His New 52 Action Comics run is a nearly circular story which ties into both All-Star Superman and DC One Million BECAUSE EVERYTHING IS CANON even after we've rebooted the multiverse.

The Multiversity is this to the ultimate extent, especially the reveal about The Gentry. Well, maybe The Invisibles is, except that a lot of it is borderline gibberish especially after Morrison writes himself into King Mob completely.

The funny thing about Batman and Robin/Batman Incorporated is that it's the most straight forward thing he's written and it's still insane compared to literally anything Geoff Johns does.

Morrison has basically been writing one big maxi-arc his entire career even if unintentionally, but the only time he's ever been edited by someone to rein him in is on JLA and Batman. Arguably, Planetary by Warren Ellis is the same exact concept except shorter. (EDIT: Also, the Literals role in Fables.)

Never read Blackest Night/Brightest Day but always really wanted to considering how many people get brought back from the dead, haha.
Almost all of the Green Lantern stuff after Sinestro Corps War is a good idea poorly executed and Blackest Night is definitely that to where it's really uninteresting or compelling in anyway outside of the concept. Brightest Day is kinda fun because it's such an anti-event, but it's the JLI reunion/OMAC sequel series that ran alongside it that has all the exciting stuff.

Speaking of the New 52, Brightest Day and Animal Man, the Rotworld crossover was pretty crazy awesome in ways I didn't expect. I also really liked Futures End. Both did the whole "dump you into a disaster timeline and slowly but never fully explain what happened because there's shit to do" that Flashpoint did. Rotworld was by Snyder and Jeff Lemire (who does Teen Titans Earth One among other things) in Swamp Thing/Animal Man/Frankenstein.

Futures End's tie-in to Earth 2 which was the Old 52's JSA rebooted probably helped it quite a bit much like it did World's End.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 01:00:29 AM
I bow to you, benji-sama. :bow

I heard mixed things about Future's End but might check it out now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 30, 2016, 07:29:35 AM
Civil War #8- There's pretty much nothing to spoil here, since Marvel already did so by releasing all the new books that start after the event several months ago.  :lol  Also this sucked so don't waste your time with it.

Iron Man is not dead.  That's about the only surprise here.  He's put into a coma instead (didn't this already happen a few years back?). :zzz  Captain Marvel seems to feel bad about things but is praised by the President.  :zzz

The Inhuman who was getting flashes of future events "evolves" to the point that Eternity, the living representation of the universe, is like "hey bro, come join us in spaaaaaace" and he does.

We are also shown events that will occur in the future.  These are essentially ads for other books and are like covers done by different artists. :lol

-A bunch of giant monsters fighting each other in what looks like a destroyed (post-apocalyptic?) city.  This is for an upcoming event storyline.

-Inhumans Vs. X-Men.  This cross-over event is already going on.

-Spider-Man (Miles Morales) still standing over a dead Captain America (Steve Rogers) with something through his chest.  This was the vision that kept coming up in Civil War II but didn't happen.  My guess is that this is how the current storyline with the Hydra-brainwashed Cap will end.

-Ultron standing over some defeated Avengers.  The big thing here is that it shows what appears to be The Hulk (Bruce Banner), Captain America (Steve Rogers) with his round shield again, and Wolverine...in his yellow and blue costume, which Old Man Logan never wears.

HULK #1: This is the book starring Jennifer Walters, AKA She-Hulk.  While this got a bunch of promo art of a roided-up, scarred grey She-Hulk looking all pissed off (and that's the cover)...the book is nothing like this, at least not yet.  Instead it's just "another day in the life of superhero lawyer Jennifer Walters and her wacky clients."

I think the best Avengers-related book Marvel is putting out right now is Steve Rogers: Captain America.  Seeing him as essentially a villain pretending to be a hero and the reality-altered/brain-implanted fake history he goes through as a child in the 1930s is pretty interesting.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on December 30, 2016, 08:33:41 AM
Beezy, it's not connected to DCU(mostly) but there's a new imprint called Young Animal which features revamped/rebooted/new versions of DC/Vertigo characters. I recommend Shade the Changing Girl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 30, 2016, 09:19:03 AM
Also for Beezy, something that has been left out here are the works from Jimmy Palmiotti and Amanda Conner (and sometimes Justin Gray).  Their recent works feature female leads and are almost like self-contained little "mini universes" with these characters.

Would recommend:

Pre-New 52:

Terra
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Powergirl
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The Terra miniseries/TPB actually starts off with a single Supergirl issue that introduces the character, Atlee, who is a new Terra and not the one from the Teen Titans.  She meets up with Powergirl in her book, and then in the Powergirl series, Terra guest-stars as her sidekick.  They feel like one complete series together.  No need to read anything past the Aliens & Apes TPB (which was issue #12 of the series, IIRC), as the creative team then completely changed and the book went in a completely different direction/tone.  EDIT: Even better, there's a newer TPB called "Power Trip" that contains the complete run, plus has JLA Classified #1-4, which reworked PG's origin with a story from Geoff Johns and art from Amanda Conner!

New 52:

Harley Quinn

First Series:
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Harley Quinn And Power Girl, Harley's Gang Of Harleys, and Harley's Little Black Book:
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Second series, currently only out in singles.  TPBs releasing in 2017:
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With Harley Quinn, there's a lot more material.  They did one main series already that was 30 issues, then started with another that continues on, plus there's mini-series like Harley And Her Gang Of Harleys and a Harley Quinn/Powergirl mini-series that spins out of the main book and re-introduces Vartox who was re-introduced (lol) in the pre-52 Powergirl series.   Harley has her own supporting cast of weird n' wacky characters, with some occasional appearances from her buddy Poison Ivy.  She also teams up with a geriatric Jewish cyborg named Sol, joins a roller derby deathmatch, and starts her own gang of Harley wannabes. 

The Harley Quinn in these books is almost like a different character than the one you see in Suicide Squad and the like.  Much more likeable and again, everything feels pretty much self-contained. 

Starfire
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51yF8ezqOEL._SX322_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Not sure if Starfire has a second TPB yet.  Her series takes her out of the main DCU and puts her down doin' thangs in Miami.  Atlee also pops up as a supporting character!  It only lasted for 12 issues so it should only have two TPBs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 30, 2016, 09:44:33 AM

Flashpoint (2011)
If you've never quite "gotten" the Flash, this story will probably do it for you and is one of the few examples of a "darker alternate universe" done right.

Forever Evil (2013-2014)
I seem to disagree with the mainstream on this one, but this is the (only) crossover I think is truly great in the New 52. Focusing on Lex Luthor and a group of ostensible "super villains" as they battle evil alternate-dimension versions of the Justice League, the series served as a fantastic character piece for Lex and even got me caring about fucking Captain Cold and Bizarro. In a word, masterful.

Convergence (2015)
Or rather, certain miniseries of Convergence. I've never read the full thing or the framing story (about Brainiac and the multiverse and blah blah blah.) Convergence was fun and important because it brought back pre-New 52 stories and characters for the first time since it launched, opening the door to Rebirth.

Flashpoint was a lot of fun.  It even got an animated movie version (missing a LOT of content/characters, though) and is basically "Flash acts like a selfish prick and causes the entire DCU to change", which then leads into the whole New 52 universe being created.  They also ended up using parts of this storyline as the basis for what has being going on in the CW "Arrowverse" shows, where Flash went back in time to save his mother from being killed when he was a kid, created an alternate timeline where he was powerless and living with his own parents, and then decided to go back and set shit straight, only to return and find things altered here and then, with effects spilling over into other shows.  Basically Barry is kind of an asshole.  :lol

Forever Evil has fun moments, but dragged on for too long.  Might feel different if you're reading it all in a collected edition, though.

Convergence, though?  Stay away unless you've already read the Earth 2 series and want to continue reading Earth 2 after this event.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 30, 2016, 12:41:30 PM
I flipped through the Multiversity TPB at the book store and saw Hitler taking a dump.

10/10
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 01:27:13 PM
All those Harley recs :kobeyuck

100% of bork's recs being busty females :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on December 30, 2016, 01:32:58 PM
Just about anything by Conner/Palmiotti is worth reading.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on December 30, 2016, 07:06:53 PM
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e6/ab/a0/e6aba0aecae0e729a36d72cd355c8e51.jpg)

This Batman is good
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 30, 2016, 08:10:52 PM
Yup.

Quote from: me
The Long Halloween (which is my favorite non-canon Batman trade.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on December 30, 2016, 09:57:38 PM
Thanks guys. Getting into this shit is really hard when there's no obvious starting point or when a character has a shitload of different series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on January 02, 2017, 10:47:47 AM
Starting to think I should finally get a tablet and go the digital route completely, at least for older runs. I checked in store at Midtown Comics and on their website for all volumes of The New 52 Justice League. Neither has them all. I don't have the patience to hunt shit down.

I read new issues of some comics through comixology on my phone right now, but I'd rather not use such a tiny screen.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 02, 2017, 01:13:28 PM
http://instocktrades.com
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 02, 2017, 01:33:27 PM
All those Harley recs :kobeyuck

100% of bork's recs being busty females :dead

I said the recent series from those two were all female-lead.  They're also all really good.   Try reading them-- they're a lot better than shit like fucking CONVERGENCE.  Their stuff stands out because so much other stuff from DC hasn't been that great as of late.

:ufup

Just about anything by Conner/Palmiotti is worth reading.

 :respect
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 02, 2017, 01:58:07 PM
Oh yeah, that reminds me.  Beezy, get Batman Year Zero.  Self-contained story with great writing and art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 02, 2017, 02:42:21 PM
Beezy, get Batman: Odyssey.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on January 02, 2017, 02:51:02 PM
What do you all prefer, physical or digital?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on January 02, 2017, 03:37:51 PM
Read Brian K Vaughn's We Stand Guard last night.  I really like Vaughn's stuff, but this comic about a futuristic Canadian Freedom Fights vs America Imperialist Army was just ok.  The mechs were fucking awesome and between this and Vaughn's Evangelion Sentinels in his Mystique run, Vaughn's gotta be a mecha fan.  The comic was solid but it was too short and not fleshed out enough.  It's also really overly gory.  Wouldn't be enough to make a 90 minute movie about.  Works as a novella I suppose.  Very mild thumbs up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on January 02, 2017, 04:55:39 PM
We Stand Guard was great, but yeah, wayyyy too short and the story kinda got eh at the end, but it's totally worth a read.

REBORN is fucking amazing so far, holy fuck I was not expecting this. This old lady dies from cancer and immediately wakes up in this METAL AS FUCK medieval/with some future tech world and finds out she could be the chosen one in a war against good and evil. It's pretty gory but feels REALLY REALLY fresh. I don't wanna spoil anything but check it out if you can.

(https://imagecomics.com/uploads/releases/Reborn02_.jpg)(https://imagecomics.com/uploads/releases/reborn03-review4.jpg)(https://imagecomics.com/uploads/releases/_main/Reborn004_cvrA.jpg)

VENOM is kinda crap. The venom symbiote finds a new host and it's an early '00 edgy animu looking ex soldier with PTSD. First issue had some potential and was hanging in that fun Punisher MAX style of atmosphere, but Issue #2 just shits the bed with the edgy animu dude physically punching the symbiote into submission. What the fuck. I enjoy collecting the variants for the badass art, too bad the actual content is heh.

ANIMOSITY - First issue was crazy great, second was eh, third was zzz and forth has me going  :doge. I just don't get where that story is going, and the pacing of the storyline is still weird. The constant flashbacks are annoying now. STOP.  I like the turtles with the twin rocket launchers tho.

(http://www.foxforcefivenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/animosity3cover-672x372.jpg)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Beezy on January 02, 2017, 06:30:44 PM
Reborn :leon

I'll wait until the first trade is out. I'm reading Animosity also and I feel the same way. I'll give it 2 more issues to get interesting again before I drop it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 06:35:49 PM
I read new issues of some comics through comixology on my phone right now, but I'd rather not use such a tiny screen.

Guided View is pretty good IMO. Don't mind reading on my phone.

I said the recent series from those two were all female-lead.  They're also all really good.   Try reading them-- they're a lot better than shit like fucking CONVERGENCE.  Their stuff stands out because so much other stuff from DC hasn't been that great as of late.

:ufup

Didn't say anything about the quality of the books (though I don't like New 52 Harley at all), it was just funny in the context of your avatar/busty VG char fetish. :lol

What do you all prefer, physical or digital?

I'm all digital. I've spent just over $800 on Comixology, plus a couple dozen on some other services like Dark Horse (before they joined Comixology.)

Amazon's slowly soured my opinion of the service but it's still the best option for reading comics IMO. Well, I hear Marvel Unlimited is good if you're into that, but there's gaps and stuff there.

Beezy, get Batman: Odyssey.

Oh yeah. This should have made my WTF list. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2017, 06:44:17 PM
Since y'all are giving Beezy recs, I've basically gave up on SH comics for three years but I'm curious about recent Batman runs that are worth looking up. Any suggestions? Keep in mind I don't like Scott Snyder's stuff for the most part.

Batman and Robin by Tomasi. Like I said it has my favorite Two-Face story (Volume 5, "The Big Burn") aside from The Long Halloween.

Grayson is only vaguely related to the other Bat-stuff or DC 'verse in general, but it's flat-out amazing.

Batman Eternal/Batman and Robin Eternal were everything I've ever wanted from a Bat-comic. Strong writing, great team dynamics, intriguing central mysteries.

Robin: Son of Batman. Like I said it's a good characters study of Damian with themes of redemption and coming of age.

The latest Detective Comics run post-Rebirth (#934+) has been really good and reminds me of Batman Eternal. It also ships twice a month (like a lot of Rebirth titles) which I love. I'd always forget things during Snyder's run because of the month-long waits.

Post-Rebirth Batman and Nightwing have been pretty solid but I haven't read the latest issues yet.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 02, 2017, 07:29:13 PM
Didn't say anything about the quality of the books (though I don't like New 52 Harley at all), it was just funny in the context of your avatar/busty VG char fetish. :lol

I don't have a busty character fetish.   ???  I like dat ass.
:ufup

Anyway, it's like I said- these books feel self-contained and the characters are different.  I.E., the Harley Quinn in these stories is not the same Harley Quinn that's in Suicide Squad.  I don't really care about the likes of Starfire and Harley Quinn...I just like the writing team (Amanda Conner sadly only tends to do covers nowadays).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on January 02, 2017, 07:36:44 PM
I can vouch for Bork that Power Girl is pretty good. It's humor is a lot like She-Hulk if you ever read that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 02, 2017, 10:27:37 PM
Started The Manhattan Projects from the writer of East of West. It's certainly something that exists.

I guess he also wrote Avengers and Secret Wars and some other stuff for Marvel too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 03, 2017, 12:15:46 AM
Hickman is great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 03, 2017, 02:44:31 AM
EoW has a shit load of characters to where whole plotlines just disappear for good or at least many issues on end because others have moved on, TMP had a main cast of about 12 recurring characters.

Also, it suddenly turns into Saga.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 03, 2017, 07:17:02 AM
Hickman used way too many characters in Avengers though. Like why the fuck was Wolverine even around?

For sales.  Remember when Wolverine was in multiple X-Men and Avengers books and had two solo series?  :lol :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 08, 2017, 11:12:19 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/marvel-is-already-teasing-its-next-big-comic-event-1790914751

Is Marvel just straight up unending crossovers that bleed into each other now?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 09, 2017, 07:07:33 AM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/marvel-is-already-teasing-its-next-big-comic-event-1790914751

Is Marvel just straight up unending crossovers that bleed into each other now?

What do you mean "now?"   :P  But I'm looking forward to this one since reality-warped-Hydra-Cap is awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: fistfulofmetal on January 09, 2017, 10:11:25 AM
I love knowing Marvel secrets.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 09, 2017, 10:26:28 AM
Marvel already gave us a glimpse of things to come with Civil War II's ending:


We are also shown events that will occur in the future.  These are essentially ads for other books and are like covers done by different artists. :lol

-A bunch of giant monsters fighting each other in what looks like a destroyed (post-apocalyptic?) city.  This is for an upcoming event storyline.

-Inhumans Vs. X-Men.  This cross-over event is already going on.

-Spider-Man (Miles Morales) still standing over a dead Captain America (Steve Rogers) with something through his chest.  This was the vision that kept coming up in Civil War II but didn't happen.  My guess is that this is how the current storyline with the Hydra-brainwashed Cap will end.

-Ultron standing over some defeated Avengers.  The big thing here is that it shows what appears to be The Hulk (Bruce Banner), Captain America (Steve Rogers) with his round shield again, and Wolverine...in his yellow and blue costume, which Old Man Logan never wears.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 09, 2017, 10:35:27 AM
Providence #11 was pretty lit. I need to reread Neonomicon to get hype for the last issue.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 09, 2017, 02:32:37 PM
I didn't even know that there were Warhammer comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2017, 03:10:35 PM
I thought Warhammer died with the new millennium.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2017, 06:11:48 PM
https://www.inverse.com/article/18042-stan-lee-marvel-dave-baker

:lol This guy -- I was just talking with my BIL about Stan Lee, and I am on the same-ish page as Baker, but I didn't know the bit about the lawsuit granting Stan appearances in any Marvel movie. I assumed it was an in-joke. I'm anti-Stan mainly because of his longstanding unwillingness to include Kirby in the credits. I'm happy he makes money when Hollywood does now, but I wish Kirby had been in on that cash cow as well.


I brought back a mess of Batman trade paperbacks, and my sister gave me the Planetary Omnibus hardcover for christmas. It weighs 2000 lbs. Looking forward to sitting down with some of those Morrison stories, and The Long Halloween.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2017, 06:16:17 PM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/marvel-is-already-teasing-its-next-big-comic-event-1790914751

Is Marvel just straight up unending crossovers that bleed into each other now?

What do you mean "now?"   :P  But I'm looking forward to this one since reality-warped-Hydra-Cap is awesome.

It feels unfair to beat on them since I'm a DC guy but it just feels exhausting, non-stop shit even before Secret Wars (which felt like it took forever.) And their stuff runs through so many books.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but DC seems superior here. They have a big event every year or so (Forever Evil, Future's End, Convergence, Rebirth), but they're their own series/books and crossovers in ongoing titles are contained to an issue or two. Related characters have crossovers (like the Bat-family) but that feels a lot more natural and less strained.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 09, 2017, 06:17:44 PM
:bow THE LONG HALLOWEEN :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2017, 06:31:24 PM
I'm happy he makes money when Hollywood does now, but I wish Kirby had been in on that cash cow as well.

I have a recent-ish issue of Heavy Metal that features a bunch of artwork that Kirby did for the Lord of Light movie and it's really incredible, makes me supremely sad that it ended up getting cancelled.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on January 09, 2017, 07:39:04 PM
I'm happy he makes money when Hollywood does now, but I wish Kirby had been in on that cash cow as well.

I have a recent-ish issue of Heavy Metal that features a bunch of artwork that Kirby did for the Lord of Light movie and it's really incredible, makes me supremely sad that it ended up getting cancelled.

Slightly Off-Topic: Is Heavy Metal making much of a dent in the comics' headspace these days? I haven't heard anything about it since Eastman took it over a few years back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 09, 2017, 07:52:59 PM
They're still putting out the main magazine and they've got a few series going under the Heavy Metal banner, not a huge deal but they're still plugging along.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 12, 2017, 04:37:35 PM
http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2017/01/12/the-dark-knight-and-the-fastest-man-alive-dive-deeper-into-the-mystery-of-dc?sf50628508=1

Here we go, boys. Strap in.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 13, 2017, 12:02:26 PM
Superman is getting another costume change.  Looks closer to the original, sans the outside-underwear.

(http://i.imgur.com/eoXu7Nwl.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 13, 2017, 12:04:12 PM
That's his Rebirth outfit tho? :huh

(http://talesfromthelongbox.com/theshow/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/Superman-rebirth-designs.jpg)

I guess the boots are different? :huh

In any case it does look better (might be the artist though), and both are a HELL of a lot better than that turtleneck asshole New 52 costume.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 13, 2017, 12:12:35 PM
Lighter blues, too.  looks more "spandexy" again.

http://io9.gizmodo.com/marvel-is-already-teasing-its-next-big-comic-event-1790914751

Is Marvel just straight up unending crossovers that bleed into each other now?

What do you mean "now?"   :P  But I'm looking forward to this one since reality-warped-Hydra-Cap is awesome.

It feels unfair to beat on them since I'm a DC guy but it just feels exhausting, non-stop shit even before Secret Wars (which felt like it took forever.) And their stuff runs through so many books.

Tell me if I'm wrong, but DC seems superior here. They have a big event every year or so (Forever Evil, Future's End, Convergence, Rebirth), but they're their own series/books and crossovers in ongoing titles are contained to an issue or two. Related characters have crossovers (like the Bat-family) but that feels a lot more natural and less strained.

Yes, and their events end with something happening that doesn't always feel like just a lead-in into something else.

My favorite "WTF was the point of this?" event was Age Of Ultron.  Now, you could argue that the event caused "holes in space" that led to the events of Secret Wars and all that, but really...after all that Ultron shit, what we got was...Angela popping up and joining the Guardians Of The Galaxy for a while.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on January 19, 2017, 01:20:20 AM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/image-comics-book-bundle

So Humble Bundle is doing their yearly Image Comics sale.  Being that this is the first year post me actually reading all the Image Comic stuff I got from previous bundles and then buying things in various sales, I'm good on the $15 & above tier.  In the $10 and below tier though, there's a bunch of stuff I haven't read.  I'm guessing at least a few of these are worth reading?

Lazurus
Limbo
Mirror
Casanova
Morning Glories
Prophet
Revival
Strange Talent of Luther

Throwaways
Romulus
Kill of be Killed
Moonshine
Black Monday Murders
Demonic
The Fix
Black Road
Cannibal
Horizon
The Discipline
Island
The Beauty
Surgeon X
Sons of the Devil
Rockstars
She Wolf

I mean $10 for #1s of all that is a no brainer, so I'll grab it, but anything you all recommend reading in that lot?

*edit* nm, only the bolded are vol.1s, everything $5 or under is just issue #1 bleh.  Still worth it for $10?

*edit edit* actually on $15 tier there's a handful I don't have.  Birthright, Drifter, Pretty Deadly, Roche Limit, Rumble, Spread.  Probably worth another $5 for volume 1 of all those.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 19, 2017, 07:32:48 AM
Only read Prophet on that list (need to finish it!).  Pretty good sci-fi story that has nothing to do with any of Rob Liefeld's garbage.  Worth reading.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 19, 2017, 07:45:00 AM
Re: Spider-Man The Clone Conspiracy (4 of 5):

Big middle finger up to Marvel, who decided to go ahead and solicit a Scarlet Spider comic book listing and announce details on the character.  Thanks for spoiling your own storyline, idiots!  Yes, Ben Reilly is back as the Scarlet Spider, complete with awful new costume! 

(https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--QlAvr8XN--/xykan3wllxsydreuzf70.png)
 :donot

They also mention that Kaine will be in the book and go into specifics on the story.  I thought maybe this would be a new clone of Ben Reilly -and I guess that's still possible- but it doesn't sound like it. 

Anyway, onto the book. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Following recent events, we now know that the Jackal is actually Ben Reilly and that he's brought back heroes, villains, and civilians to life.  Keeps claiming that he's not a bad guy and is doing everything for the greater good.   Looked like Peter was going to team up with him (as Kaine has seen in other realities) and this would lead to a 'zombie apocalypse' of sorts, as anyone resurrected as a clone goes all zombie if they don't get their daily meds.

Peter quickly comes to his senses, but the zombie thing happens anyway.  :lol  It's almost out of character for Ben Reilly to do a 'heel turn' and do something that makes all the clones zombie-out.  We also see that Anna-Maria has caught this zombie disease by just being in contact with the clones, so it can spread.  During the story, Otto and Anna-Maria seem to have found a way to stop the virus completely and eliminate the need for pills.  I wouldn't be surprised if Ben is trying to 'kill' everyone so he can bring them all back again in a 'perfect form' or something, but he's still portrayed as an asshole since he reveals that he's going to kill Peter and then take his place. 
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It still feels like this has been ruined because the description of the Scarlet Spider book is that Ben Reilly is trying to atone for what he did, Kaine is chasing him, and blah blah blah. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on January 19, 2017, 10:41:29 PM
The final page of Ultimates 2 #3 is great, it's something out of a SMT game.

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(https://preview.ibb.co/i9jtFa/1484752303064.jpg) (https://ibb.co/gxYW1F)
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nice book
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 20, 2017, 01:34:13 PM
Monsters Unleashed #1: You know what?  This ain't bad! In a popcorn-movie style way, I mean-- The storyso far is that Kid Kaiju appears to be the one summoning all these monsters to Earth for reasons still unknown...and that's it.  Nothing particularly deep or complex about the plot, but that's a refreshing change after all the Bendis stuff like Civil War II.  Just straight-out MONSTERS WRECKING SHIT and superheroes fighting them.  Looks like it may be entirely self-contained like some of the DC stories, where instead of getting event-related stories in the on-goings, there will be special issues instead.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2017, 01:44:36 PM
Here's what I'm reading right now, minus a few series that I'm caught up on:

(http://i.imgur.com/5J1WE3O.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 25, 2017, 02:03:54 PM
"Snotgirl?"

:confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 25, 2017, 02:13:51 PM
Mother Panic has been pretty good. Really enjoyed the first two issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 25, 2017, 02:18:13 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/image-comics-book-bundle

So Humble Bundle is doing their yearly Image Comics sale.  Being that this is the first year post me actually reading all the Image Comic stuff I got from previous bundles and then buying things in various sales, I'm good on the $15 & above tier.  In the $10 and below tier though, there's a bunch of stuff I haven't read.  I'm guessing at least a few of these are worth reading?

Lazurus
Limbo
Mirror
Casanova
Morning Glories
Prophet
Revival
Strange Talent of Luther

Throwaways
Romulus
Kill of be Killed
Moonshine
Black Monday Murders
Demonic
The Fix
Black Road
Cannibal
Horizon
The Discipline
Island
The Beauty
Surgeon X
Sons of the Devil
Rockstars
She Wolf

I mean $10 for #1s of all that is a no brainer, so I'll grab it, but anything you all recommend reading in that lot?

*edit* nm, only the bolded are vol.1s, everything $5 or under is just issue #1 bleh.  Still worth it for $10?

*edit edit* actually on $15 tier there's a handful I don't have.  Birthright, Drifter, Pretty Deadly, Roche Limit, Rumble, Spread.  Probably worth another $5 for volume 1 of all those.
I know this is late, but I do recomened Lasurus. It's action girl lead done well. The main female is written very well. Forever is never emotionless and the series is about her emerging agency. She's also pretty badass, but never over the top. She also looks the part. More Lucy Lawless than Lucy Lie. It also takes place in a corporate feudal world which is interesting.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on January 25, 2017, 05:03:23 PM
"Snotgirl?"

:confused

It's the story of a self-absorbed fashion blogger who actually has really bad allergies. The guy that did Scott Pilgrim is writing it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on February 19, 2017, 10:07:47 AM
http://m.imgur.com/gallery/y2dTM

Lasso one is gold.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 23, 2017, 08:10:31 AM
Spider-Man: The Clone Conspiracy #5 and Amazing Spider-Man #24:

With these, the clone conspiracy storyline is over....sort of.  There's still a "Clone Conspiracy Omega" follow-up coming out soon.  I liked how this storyline started, but the ending just kind of fizzled out.

To recap, a new company pops up called "New U."  They claim to have a process that can cure anyone of any disease and they can even bring the dead back to life, as clones, who have all of their memories right up until they died.  So we get to see the returns of a whole host of characters, like Jean DeWolfe, Gwen and Captain Stacy, Doctor Octopus, etc. etc.  But it turns out that this company is actually under control of the Jackal and that there's a huge flaw in the process requiring a pill taken daily.  If the pill is missed, the clone becomes a crazy zombie-like creature and we later find out that they can infect regular humans.  Kaine (the Spider-Man clone who was the Scarlet Spider for a while) has also been to alternate earths where he has seen New U team up with Parker Industries and the result unleashes a zombie plague that destroys civilization.

So why would Spider-Man work with the Jackal?  Because (SPOILER TIME!)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
"The Jackal" is really Ben Reilly, the other Peter Parker clone and former Scarlet Spider/Spider-Man.  He was brought back by the original Jackal, tortured to death over and over again, and resurrected to perfect this whole "New U" clone process.  But Ben finally was able to escape and did the same thing to the Jackal, eventually producing a ton of Miles Warren clones and making the real one think he was a clone too by this point.

Ben reveals himself to Peter and offers to team up, even going as far as to want to resurrect Uncle Ben, but unlike in other realities, Peter ends up declining and fights him instead.  Ben then unleashes his clone virus and shit starts getting bad.  It's then up to Spider-Man, Kaine, Spider-Gwen, Silk, and a couple of clones like The Prowler to stop everything.
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The storyline ends with
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The heroes getting the upper hand by using a popular Parker Industries device to transmit some kind of sound that reverses the zombie plague (it was initiated the same way, too).  A lot of clones end up dying, but not all of them.  And in the aftermath:

-Doc Ock fights Ben Reilly and at the end of The Clone Conspiracy #5, it looks like both of them are dead and their bodies disintegrated.

-There's a hidden sub-basement at New U that has a lot of cloned people's original bodies being stored, and some new found process allows them to all be restored.  TOTAL COP-OUT here that lets some of the characters who just "died" come right back again (I.E. The Prowler) like nothing happened.
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Then in Spider-Man #24:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
-We find out that Doc Ock and Ben didn't really die and faked their deaths.  ASM #24 reveals that Ben, whose body was beginning to break down from the virus, was going to transfer his mind into a "perfect clone" that didn't have any imperfections and doesn't need medication as it couldn't get the virus. 

-Doc Ock stops Ben from doing this and it is implied that he has transferred his mind into this body instead (or at least run off with the body) and escaped.

-As all the clones are dying, one of the original Jackal/Miles Warrens realizes he's fine and that means he's the real deal.  He comes to his senses and decides to go after Ben.

-Ben Reilly then quietly slips out and runs away to his safe house, but the Jackal is waiting.
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And here's where it gets stupid:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ben and the Jackal fight and Ben ends up realizing that he has "won" and has beaten the Jackal in that he took the Jackal's own research and perfected it.  He doesn't feel the need to fight anymore and decides to live for himself and blah blah blah WHAT THE FUCK?  The Jackal then blows up the safe house and Ben escapes.  Fire fighters arrive and we hear the Jackal screaming, so he's likely going to come back too.
[close]

So basically from this small exchange, we get something akin to a pro wrestling-style face turn and the new "Jackal" is apparently a good guy again.  He just tried to take over the world and did a whole bunch of bad shit, but he's "come to his senses" now and from solicits we know that he's going to return as the Scarlet Spider.  And this is all just so fucking dumb. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Especially with this being a storyline about clones.  If you have a "perfect clone" that gets mentioned...why not just have him come out of his pod-thing at the end and reveal that he's another Ben Reilly with all the previous one's memories and have him be the Scarlet Spider in an attempt to make amends for what his evil 'brother' did?  Would make a hell of a lot more sense.  But if this instead means Doc Ock gets a new body, I'm also OK with this.  If the clone body is another Peter Parker (we never see its face), maybe this means more Superior Spider-Man and/or Doc Ock pretending to be Peter and taking control of Parker Industries?
[close]

I'd really just like to see Spider-Man get back to his roots, to be honest.  Go back to working for the Daily Bugle and get back with Mary Jane already, then go do street-level super heroey-stuff again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 25, 2017, 09:56:40 AM
Read it, but it was so long ago that I really don't remember if it was good or not.  I know it got canceled so it may not have had the most satisying ending.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 01:37:25 PM
Read The Boys and I dunno.

I kinda want some sort of hybrid of it and Checkmate/Planetary/Authority/that sitcom about superhero insurance claims but none of them seem to hit the right balance. Maybe Planetary did, but still I prefer the lower scope of superheroes in the world of The Boys or Powers for example. Or even making them mundane like Top Ten and Gotham Central.

One part that really really really hurt The Boys was all the backstory in terms of explaining how supes came to be and blah blah blah, which sucks because the first explanation of why 9/11 was different worked so well that ultimately spending about a third or more of the issues on all the stupid little details to set up the characters never worked as well as other series where they've rarely gone beyond like "hey this dude, he's our Superman but we can't call him that but he's basically Superman you got that? and this guy? Captain America but not, clear?" and so on.

There's also the fact that for like 55 issues The Boys are this low rung, Carrie on Homeland season one type shit, and then suddenly they're in the center of a world changing plot and then it just ends.

Maybe just most of these comic writers outside of Greg Rucka simply aren't good enough to pull off a series where humans and their entities/weapons/etc. deal with the emergence of superhumans from the point of view of the humans, in a non-openly comedic fashion. (Wonder Woman even saw a way to pull this mostly off.) Even Warren Ellis always seemed to find himself getting lost in there being all these secret conspiracies and crap angles that dud when revealed instead of playing it straight, Planetary being arguably saved because it ended right at this point. Maybe The Wild Storm will turn out well.

Going to shift over to picking up on Rebirth stuff probably soon, I was following along early on and like New 52 decided to just let it pile up instead, I thought I had re-learned my lesson after reading along with the Bat-Gordon mess. :lol

I think the final Rebirth issue is coming out soon too. Only two years after they started this? :dead

EDIT: Forgot Rucka's the one doing Lazarus. It's doing the same trickle out rather than info dump the world on you thing outside of the backup material letting you just "buy in" the world as presented.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 01:46:05 PM
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DC Universe: Rebirth Special #1
May 2016

Batman Rebirth #1
June 2016

Superman Rebirth #1
June 2016
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Batwoman Rebirth #1
February 2017

Justice League of America Rebirth #1
February 2017
when Batwoman has been in Detective Comics for over six months now :lol

how are Marvel and D.C. so bad at scheduling these, when they've both done it multiple times in the past and know what not to do...Wonder Woman and Hawkman were ruined by misaligned scheduling related to the original Crisis over thirty years ago that they spent at least the next decade trying to rewrite and yet D.C. was still printing New 52 based books this year :rofl

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they should do this with the film universes to see if the "normies" notice :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 01:54:22 PM
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Marvel Comics first announced the launch of Marvel NOW! in July 2012. Marvel Editor-in-Chief Axel Alonso described it as "the next chapter in the ongoing saga of the Marvel Universe." Alonso further explained, "From October through February, we’ll provide at least one great reason for readers—old, lapsed or new—to go into a comic store each week: a new issue #1, featuring an exciting new creative team and driving concept, that’s an easy entry-point into the Marvel Universe." Marvel Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada stressed that unlike DC Comics' The New 52, it is not a reboot, but a shifting of the Marvel Universe following the events of Avengers vs. X-Men. Quesada explained that there will be "a lot of changes to the character status quos, alter egos, costumes, creator shifts, design shifts, the way that we do our covers, digital shifts and the way we start delivering our books"
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In September 2013, Marvel announced a next phase of Marvel NOW! in the aftermath of the "Infinity" storyline, (which led into the "Inhumanity" storyline) called "All-New Marvel NOW!" which will see new series being launched and will also provide entry issue to existing series.
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Marvel NOW! officially ended in May 2015 at the start of the Secret Wars storyline, which saw the end of the Marvel Universe. Following the conclusion of Secret Wars, the universe is scheduled to be relaunched again in All-New All-Different Marvel.[9] Alonso stated that the relaunches are reminiscent of the North American television season, explaining "I think that the comics industry -- certainly, we are -- slowly working into a season model that's not too unlike what we see in our favorite cable TV shows: a seasonal model that offers accessible entry points for new readers and is respectful of long-term fans. We did Marvel NOW! and All-New Marvel NOW!, which were both two very successful campaigns. And [All-New All-Different Marvel] is the latest campaign."[10]

In May 2016, Marvel announced the return of Marvel NOW! following the conclusion of the "Civil War II" storyline.[11] Marvel Executive Editor Tom Brevoort stated that the relaunch is timed to coincide with "Civil War II" as means to "refresh and revitalize" the titles explaining, "One of the things a big event story is judged on, rightly or wrongly, is what kind of an impact it has on the Marvel Universe in its aftermath. That just becomes a condition of these big event stories: what is it at the end that changes the landscape?"
:dead

at least DC is binding and branding the trades different, last time i looked i couldn't tell the marvel ones apart without checking the publishing notes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 04, 2017, 02:04:41 PM
 :expert
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2017, 11:42:41 PM
As if Lazarus' current delay hasn't been bad enough, it's now becoming an indefinitely extended one because the artist wants away from it and Rucka won't continue without him.

Then rather than do more backstory about the world stuff in the back of the issue like normal Rucka instead writes a four page rant about how evil Trump is. :lol

Speaking of things that are taking forever. The Dark Knight III is actually going to finish this month, even after they added another issue. But now Miller says that Azzarello screwed it up by rewriting it and so he's going to do a fourth series that's the actual real conclusion to the universe. :rofl

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I assume the interesting parts of The Master Race along with the stuff that has been subtly retconning Strikes Again are what Miller hates about it.
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I started Outcast and read up to where it's at, talk about decompressed storytelling. I guess much like The Walking Dead it also has a TV series that has similar plot beats and points shared with the book but is otherwise doing its own thing. Has good reviews though like TWD I'm not sure I want an alternate version of the same thing enough to watch it.

I liked Injection quite a bit more, too bad it's only got eleven issues so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2017, 12:06:52 AM
Recent comic musings:

-Inhumans Vs. X-Men (quietly?) ended.  The big takeaways here are that the terrigen clouds that were creating Inhumans and killing mutants were purged from the atmosphere.  Emma Frost using her powers to manipulate everyone into thinking that Black Bolt killed Cyclops was revealed and she is now a villain again, wearing a weird fusion her own clothes and Cyclops'. 

-The fallout from this is that the Inhuman 'royal family' is going to leave Earth and go into space.  They get their own series called Royals.  The other nu-Inhumans will keep doin' thangs on Earth.  The X-Men are reorganizing into various teams again.  Old Man Logan is quickly becoming the 616 Wolverine and will be in multiple books.  Not sure why when there's also X-23 and Sabertooth, but X-23 at least is going solo and will not be in any team books going forward.  Also everyone except a few people now think that Magneto is dead.

-All-New X-Men #19, the last issue of the series, finally reveals why the original five time-displaced X-Men can't go home.  Previous issues already revealed that Beast has gone back several times.  He takes the rest back, using magic he learned, and shows the team why- There's ANOTHER team of original X-Men already there, doing everything that they would have.  They have essentially been replaced.  The theory presented is that time "righted itself" and basically filled in the void left by their disappearance or that they are from what is now an alternate universe that was erased (from Secret Wars?) or just inaccessible to them for some reason.  So basically...they're all here to stay.  They are going to be apart from the other X-Men teams though.

-Superman.  I'm still reading stuff and catching up, but this is some head-scratching shit.  So a quick recap- Alongside the New 52 Superman and Lois, older versions of them, revealed to the pre-New 52 versions, also popped up in the DCU, with a kid named John.  After New 52 Supes and Lois (who became Superwoman, then was killed off in issue #1, lol) both died, the older versions stepped in to replace them and John is Superboy.  A recent storyline also introduced Clark Kent.  Like...he's Clark, without powers, and apparently was somehow the real deal.  (Pre New 52 Superman was not acting as a reporter and is a farmer)  It is then later revealed that he's actually Mister Mxyzptlk, who was being held prisoner by the mysterious hooded fellow who has shown up in various DC books and kidnapped individuals, then imprisoned them somewhere.  He is implied to be a Watchman.  Mister Mxyzptlk then does something that erases Clark and Lois's minds and makes them forget about John, but in the end, some weird shit happens and the New 52 versions are brought back and then merged with the pre new 52 versions, combining both timelines together and restoring their memories of John, righting the universe, and WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON DOES THIS MAKE ANY SENSE?  BEATS ME.  STOP DOING THIS SHIT, DC.  FUCKING STOP.
:stop
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2017, 12:49:40 AM
I still don't understand why there was anything wrong with having two Supermen from a "we need to make it easy on readers" standpoint. The non-explanation they had before Convergence made more sense, that the older one and Lois and son were somehow abandoned into the new universe. And so you had a wise old hand and the younger inexperienced one.

But they had already written themselves into a corner with the whole everyone knows CLARK IS SUPERMAN plot that they suddenly dropped and that none of the other books (like Justice League) acknowledged as having happened.

It's funny that they have no problem with clusterfucking every other book in some attempt to make the canon explained as coherent (even though it's always BECAUSE MAGIC), but Batman and Green Lantern's canon goes untouched to where they just handwave any inconsistencies away because they're the lone books they've let just go on with extended plots without having to grind everything to a halt and reboot every five years. Hell, they wrote the New 52 launch around Grant Morrison's ongoing Batman plot.

Actually, that's the cause of a lot of these Superman problems. Since Morrison was writing the "five years in the past" Superman book while everyone else was supposed to be writing "future" Superman books only Grant didn't bother to tell anyone his plot wrapped itself up in a neat bow and nobody needed to actually pay attention to it to write the later set Superman stuff. So you had two years of plots starting and stopping as each writer bailed off the book thinking they had to stick with Grant's canon since he got the canon pass on Batman Incorporated. (Which Snyder ignored anyway because DC had already decided to bring back Damian along with discarding Morrison in general to where Multiversity went from a planned major event to being a quality side-show to Countdown level garbage like Trinity War and Convergence.) Then when they actually seemed to be connecting the books back together they scratched every storyline in progress each time to restart a new one including his whole dating Wonder Woman.

Meanwhile, Johns had gotten the clout to also say screw it and ignore everything for Justice League which let him write an actual "scale" event that all the other books ignored despite being a far superior and logical vehicle for "rebooting" the universe than Convergence was. (Convergence's villain for six of the eight issues is still by far the most baffling thing I've seen in comics in decades.)

I still don't think there's an actual plan here for using the Watchmen. They just needed somebody plausibly powerful enough yet also someone who doesn't need to actually appear in the books other than making secret little name drops. But has to be a big name they can keep tossing out. They've weakened or turned into a joke every one else they've got on that level (Anti-Monitor, Superboy Prime, Earth 3, anything to do with magic/The Rot, etc.) and they clearly aren't interested in Morrison offering them The Empty Hand/The Gentry on a silver platter because nobody will recognize it whereas in a couple years they can do some dumb thing where Superman fights Dr. Manhattan in some crossover and it reboots him and probably Wonder Woman and maybe even The Flash yet again.

Or the DCEU implodes and Johns gets semi-fired and nobody has to fit Cyborg into things anymore and we can bring back John Jon'zz and oh wait, that was actually the most baffling and amazing thing about the New 52. Stormwatch-Grifter-Hellspont...which was the main plot of the Superman book for like three issues before that got bailed on suddenly too!

Darko do I love nerd-whining about DC's editorial from Flashpoint forward. :lawd

And this was the company that thought they had botched post-Infinite Crisis somehow when it has all the storylines everyone looks back fondly on now like 52, the New Krypton saga, Sinistro Corps and the explosion of the light spectrum, Hush/Red Hood plus Morrison's Batman, etc. :neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2017, 12:51:27 AM
 :umad
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2017, 08:31:18 AM
I really liked the pre New 52 Superman/Lois/John stuff.  Especially when it was this Superman hiding himself from everyone and doing things on his own.  That was fun as well and the most I was interested in the character in a long time.  Now after this storyline, I'm not sure if I give a shit again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on April 11, 2017, 05:07:09 AM
First two hits are free: New Brian Wood social comic PDFs
https://www.darkhorse.com/Company/BriggsPreview
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 11, 2017, 11:03:15 AM
X-Men Gold #1- Hey, wow, this really is a return to form, as promised.  Classic-style superhero stuff with a team of more recognizable X-Men characters.  Living back in the mansion in NYC.  They're back to humans fearing them for being different and all that stuff, with the goal being to change their minds via good deeds.  Good first start.

Royals #1- The InHumans equivalent to X-Men Gold #1.  Not as good.  This is the (former) mostly-royal family going into space on a quest to find out more about the themselves and blah blah blah.  Props to the creative team for the much-needed character redesigns, although some may not like how "anime" they look now.  But it just really didn't grab me that much. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 21, 2017, 09:08:55 AM
Marvel's big Secret Empire event has started.  This is the result of all the build for the past year or two, with Captain America as a dictator-like head of Hydra.  So how did it come this?

Previously:

-The Red Skull, who was dead before, was brought back a few years ago.  This version of him is cloned from as he was during WWII, so he's much more ruthless.
-The Red Skull gets a piece of the deceased Professor Xavier's brain and has it added to himself, giving him psychic powers.
-Captain America loses the super soldier-serum inside his body, which ages him to that of an 80 or 90 year old man.
-At some point, a cosmic cube is taken and given sentient life as a magical little girl named Kobik.  Yes, really.
-Said magical little girl's cosmic cube powers are used to create a new kind of supervillain prison by Maria Hill and SHIELD.  It's a small town where everything seems like it's out of a 1950s sitcom.  The villains are changed to think that they are regular people.
-Some of the villains realize they have been mind-fucked and plot to change things back to normal.  They succeed.
-At some point, The Red Skull 'befriends' Kobik and makes her think that it will help Captain America if she fucks with his mind.
-During the event where the villains are getting their memories back and breaking out of the prison-town, Kobik restores Captain America back to his youthful self.  It is at this point that his memories (and it appears, part of reality along with them) get altered.
-Steve's memories of the past are now that he was recruited by Hydra and trained to be a spy by them.  He still becomes Captain America, but is secretly working for Hydra.
-Hydra are not the Nazis and have different goals/beliefs during this time.
-Present-day Steve is now working for the Red Skull, secretly, and doing thangs behind the scenes to further the Hydra agenda, including killing people outright.  Meanwhile, the Red Skull is building up the Hydra ranks.
-However, Steve has his own agenda.  He is told to kill Dr. Erik Selvig, but instead hides him away in a safe house.
-Kobik has been hid away and 'protected' by the Thunderbolts, who were led by The Winter Soldier.  During this series, she attempts to alter Bucky's past as well, but fails.

Secret Empire stuff:

-In Uncanny Avengers, the Red Skull is defeated and Beast operates on his brain to remove the psychic abilities.
-At the end of the current Thunderbolts run, Baron Zemo pops up with some villains and gets some Thunderbolts to turn villain again.
-They beat the shit out of Bucky and Kobik is 'killed'.  She turns back into the cosmic cube and shards fly all over the place.
-Bucky is tied to a plane, with a bomb, and sent out into the sky to die.  The plane explodes and this being a comic book, he's probably still alive or will come back.
-Dr. Selvig, who (I guess?) created Kobik, does something that helps her to turn back into magical little girl again, then kills himself.  Uh?
-Steve has continued doing thangs and has set himself up to become the supreme commander of SHIELD.  He purposefully gets the alien Chitauri to come invade Earth. 
-In space, Alpha Flight, led by Captain Marvel, protect Earth from threats and also have a giant planet-spanning barrier shield up.  This is disabled by what appears to be a suicide bomber from Hydra, but is really Steve fucking with them.  He re-activates the the shield and cuts off Earth from everyone in space, effectively locking out Alpha Flight, Captain Marvel, and The Guardians Of The Galaxy.  And the Chitauri are still around.
-Steve confronts The Red Skull, reveals that he's not working for him anymore, and throws him out a window onto some rocks, killing him.
-Steve is given full power over the military because of all the shit going on and then reveals himself as the new supreme leader of Hydra.

*Whew*

Now for the dumbest part of this- The Kobik-altered past of Captain America is made further fucked-up when it is revealed that Steve was originally an agent of Hydra, trained since childhood, and that the Nazis won World War II.  What changed things is that the Americans found the cosmic cube and used it to alter reality to win the war, making Steve think that he was a good guy.  Steve, back in the WWII era, is taken to a super-duper-secret Hydra stronghold in Japan and shown visions of all of this and the 'altered' future.  He is put into some magical pool that will prevent him from being completely altered and in the future he will be restored to his full-on Hydra self, which is where the story is now.

So what Marvel has done is basically retconned Captain America to have always been a super-villain from the beginning.

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:neogaf

Rather than having gone through all that dumb shit, I don't understand why they didn't simply have The Red Skull use his psychic powers to fuck with Captain America's mind and turn him heel.  They need to keep this stuff way more simple and stop it with these convoluted messes of storylines.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on April 21, 2017, 09:54:26 AM
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:neogaf

Pretty much, yeah.

Shit, I'm mainly following Marvel through MCU and whatever Fox puts the X-Men through. It's far less convoluted than that.

Thanks for the write-up. Now I'm not compelled to follow up on the comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 21, 2017, 09:59:56 AM
The actual event itself might end up fun.  It's the build-up that was just... :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy.  Although I did like the Steve Rogers: Captain America series that has led up to this.  Asshole-Secretly-Evil Steve makes for some good reading.

Anyway, I'm glad that Marvel is going to take a break from all this MAJOR STORYLINE EVENT!!!!! stuff for a while after this one ends.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on April 21, 2017, 10:19:42 AM
The actual event itself might end up fun.  It's the build-up that was just... :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy.  Although I did like the Steve Rogers: Captain America series that has led up to this.  Asshole-Secretly-Evil Steve makes for some good reading.

Anyway, I'm glad that Marvel is going to take a break from all this MAJOR STORYLINE EVENT!!!!! stuff for a while after this one ends.

 It seems like Marvel is running around with its head cut off. They want to blame problems on their diversity efforts, but the problem lies with the lack of diversity in their own creative staff. Their own tone deaf ideas of what diversity is. In many ways they haven't graduated from naming Heroes "Black Lightning" and "Marvel Girl," which in the current political environment sound as bad as "Optimal Oriental" or "Captain Taco, Defender of La Raza."

 With very few exceptions you've got the same problem Marvel has always had:  White dudes writing about what they think the problem is, rather than the people who are suffering under the problem.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 21, 2017, 10:48:34 AM
My issue with the diversity thing is them just adding 'clones' or replacing existing characters outright.  Like...why do they feel the need to have younger/different gendered/race versions of the Hulk, Iron Man, Thor etc.?

How about NEW CHARACTERS?  That's why Ms. Marvel is awesome (despite using an old name, lolz). 

I also like how they killed Wolverine, but then just replaced him with Old Man Logan, on top of X-23 being the new Wolverine, Daken still around, and then Jimmy Hudson, the Ultimate universe Wolverine, also just popped up in the 616 universe.
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 21, 2017, 11:49:20 AM
I'm triggered by bork's use of "John" instead of his actual name, "Jon."

Speaking of, Superman has been the best book since Rebirth started and still is despite the #COMICS! shit with Mytzlplk and unification or whatever. In fact that entire arc was pretty clever and had very strong writing, but of course if you just read a description of events it sounds like kooky bullshit. And I think the uniting of the Supermen was necessary, but I say that as someone who VASTLY preferred the pre-New 52 Supes to the post-New 52 one.

I need to pick up Super Sons. Jon and Damian interacting basically writes itself and it's always great.

Close second for best post-Rebirth book is Detective Comics, even though it's lost my main man Tim Drake. Some really good character writing and interactions there.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 21, 2017, 11:58:15 AM
I'm triggered by bork's use of "John" instead of his actual name, "Jon."


It took me a second to realize that you're responding to an old post.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 21, 2017, 12:02:49 PM
Haven't been here in a while!

Multiversity went from a planned major event to being a quality side-show to Countdown level garbage like Trinity War and Convergence.

Trinity War was pretty cool, and was nowhere near "Countdown level garbage."

Meanwhile, Johns had gotten the clout to also say screw it and ignore everything for Justice League which let him write an actual "scale" event that all the other books ignored despite being a far superior and logical vehicle for "rebooting" the universe than Convergence was. (Convergence's villain for six of the eight issues is still by far the most baffling thing I've seen in comics in decades.)

That just mirrored how Final Crisis would have been a much better way to reboot into New 52 than Flashpoint, lol.

And this was the company that thought they had botched post-Infinite Crisis somehow when it has all the storylines everyone looks back fondly on now like 52, the New Krypton saga, Sinistro Corps and the explosion of the light spectrum, Hush/Red Hood plus Morrison's Batman, etc. :neogaf

Haha, yeah. Was a much simpler time.

To be honest I never hated New 52 much and was usually its defender, despite the treatment of some of my chars. It mostly got a pass on me for Snyder's Batman run, and Gleason/Tomasi's Batman & Robin (who are now doing Superman, coincidence?!?) Forever Evil was fun. Grayson was excellent. DCYou was a glorious, wacky trainwreck that I wouldn't have minded them keeping around for a while. (Gordon as Batman should have gotten more than just one arc IMO.)

Even still, Rebirth is definitely a step up. It's like they realized "Hey we should actually care about this shit." Lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 21, 2017, 12:07:44 PM
It's funny; I think rebirth is better...

...but I haven't really been reading much from DC since this year began.

:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 22, 2017, 03:26:06 AM
I read Invincible finally since it's ending this year so it was funny when I started reading Batman post-Rebirth where I left off and it suddenly turned into the same kind of issues full of mindless violence with Batman and others just getting the shit beat out of them for like four issues straight. Though nobody's face was ripped off or body torn in two or eye punched out yet I thought we were getting close. I'm still not even sure why because it didn't slow Bane down any which was the stated goal.

Catwoman plotline was kinda hokey and abandoned way too fast. Also Bruce being a jerk to Gordon randomly.

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Best part, the Robin's (sans-Tim) take Bruce to Batman Burger and he starts to eat his hamburger with a knife and fork because he was a rich only child half-raised by Alfred. :rofl
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I really liked Thief of Thieves and read that like everything else Robert Kirkman touches it's also getting a TV show. Though he left the comic halfway through to give it to Andy Diggle (The Losers) but you don't even really notice the hand-off.

Read the three Snowpiercer books (two and three are collected together) and liked the second train's story much more than the first (which was what the movie was based on) although I'm pretty sure you can't just put chains on a trains "tires" and drive it across snow/ice like it's a truck. Also for a series that's all like "HAHA CHECK OUT THIS CRAZY TWIST!!! WOAH HUH!" the best one is entirely mundane yet so obvious from you know, having seen trains in real life and stuff.

I'll spoil it incase anyone has read the books and still doesn't know what I'm thinking of but wants to or just doesn't care about being spoiled:
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Trains often have engines on both ends since they can't turn around and stuff on the tracks.

The plot builds up how the bridge they're headed towards is out, so they just switch engines and leave the dude flying above behind low on fuel.

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The best part of this is probably that the train is run on a regime based around propaganda about planning for running into the other train (Snowpiercer) but now they actually have another train to run into when they split the train, and someone points this out but is ignored like everyone else sensible.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on April 23, 2017, 09:09:30 PM
I didn't know INVINCIBLE was still going, thanks for letting us know it's ending soon. I'll likely pick up the trade paperbacks and finish it off with a nice re-read of what I've got in-hand.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on April 23, 2017, 09:24:34 PM
Read that Secret Empire spoiler and went  :mindblown  :comeon :gurl :larry

How long until all of this is retconned.


Also is Tim Drake back yet or still imprisoned?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 23, 2017, 09:30:54 PM
I didn't know INVINCIBLE was still going, thanks for letting us know it's ending soon. I'll likely pick up the trade paperbacks and finish it off with a nice re-read of what I've got in-hand.
It's ending with issue #144*. The last 12 issues are the final arc. There will be 12 Ultimate Collection Hardcovers. 24 Collected TPB's. Up to 10 and up to 23 are out respectively. Penultimate TPB just came out this month. There's also giant hardcovers called The Complete Library that collect like 24+ issues each but one hasn't come out in five years and that was up to #70.

The Ultimate Collection's actually seem like normal collected editions because it's Kirkman so what's normally six issues he does in twelve.

*How The Walking Dead got 30 issues ahead despite starting almost a year later I have no idea.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2017, 12:20:05 AM
Now for the dumbest part of this- The Kobik-altered past of Captain America is made further fucked-up when it is revealed that Steve was originally an agent of Hydra, trained since childhood, and that the Nazis won World War II.  What changed things is that the Americans found the cosmic cube and used it to alter reality to win the war, making Steve think that he was a good guy.  Steve, back in the WWII era, is taken to a super-duper-secret Hydra stronghold in Japan and shown visions of all of this and the 'altered' future.  He is put into some magical pool that will prevent him from being completely altered and in the future he will be restored to his full-on Hydra self, which is where the story is now.

So what Marvel has done is basically retconned Captain America to have always been a super-villain from the beginning.

Comics
:neogaf

What the fuck, this is even stupider. They had like two easy outs here and they chose the stupider harder-to-retcon-easily one just to say "Fuck everyone who thought we weren't serious about this stupid plot twist."

Read that Secret Empire spoiler and went  :mindblown  :comeon :gurl :larry

How long until all of this is retconned.

Well they just announced "Marvel Legacy" AKA Marvel Rebirth, so...

Also is Tim Drake back yet or still imprisoned?

Still imprisoned. Last shown (IIRC) at the start of the Superman Reborn storyline in Superman #18 (March 1, 2017.)

(http://i.imgur.com/kDOfI6hl.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/G706Mhyl.jpg)

Hopefully Batman/Flash: The Button starts to resolve things there... But it's only been a few months.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2017, 12:45:47 AM
There's no way you're convincing me they have anything that will make sense, let alone work out of this Watchmen/Two Supermen?!?!?/THREE JOKERS EVERYBODY FORGOT THIS/Mister OZ *WINK WINK*/Flashpoint Universe mess you've made, Geoff "Tasty Meat" Johns.

You didn't even have six issues worth of plot for Justice League vs. Suicide Squad. And Eclipso was a stupid villain, not an iconic one.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2017, 12:56:07 AM
Oh and the Superman Reborn rumor is basically what you'd expect.

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They're erasing the New 52 sorta. It's just stuff that happened in everyones past...sorta. We're back to what time would have been had those years passed normally before Flashpoint. And Superman did this...somehow because of his other son, you know the one he left in the Phantom Zone a decade ago? And the Eradicator I think? Maybe the other Supermen from that time he died? Except for Batman obvious because he has a canon shield because it screws up the Robins ages. But just move the stuff around so it works okay? Clark and Lois have been married ever since we saw them get married way back in the 90s. Shut up, Dan DiDio is taking all my artists away for his stupid thing that's going to die in a year. And I also have to deal with this fucking disaster of a movie slate now.

And the semi-okay part:
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Darkseid is back. He and the New Gods never died. The Darkseid War was the real start of "Rebirth" after all. Just consider that entire run to be Justice League Rebirth.
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In a lot of ways, it's what they should have done over a year ago and said were the intentions but I guess Johns was the only one who actually did want to do it, and now that he's gotten power it's happening but there's no way he's going to find a way to tie this together.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2017, 12:58:11 AM
Three Jokers was dumb but the lack of follow up there is due to Johns being super fucking busy.

Just like what happened to his sublime Shazam run. :goty

I'm not convinced they have a solid plan for the Watchmen stuff but I dig it on a meta level. It'll probably devolve into Manhattan punching Supes or some shit but I'm enjoying the tidbits they've been teasing out here and there.

Two Superman? Nonsense. It's one Superman now - the best version. ;)

I don't even know who Eclipso is... *hands in DC fanboy card despite spending like a hundred+ dollars on DC Comics since Rebirth started* :goty2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2017, 01:00:50 AM
Two Superman? Nonsense. It's one Superman now - the best version. ;)
:hitler

if that summary out of C2E2 is true

 :jawalrus
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2017, 01:05:54 AM
Oh and the Superman Reborn rumor is basically what you'd expect.

They're erasing the New 52 sorta. It's just stuff that happened in everyones past...sorta. We're back to what time would have been had those years passed normally before Flashpoint.

This was confirmed in DC Universe Rebirth #1. Wally kept going on about how 10 years was "stolen" from the heroes (among other things.) Once he said that everyone basically assumed the event was going to somehow reintegrate pre-Flashpoint things. The biggest tip of the hat came in Convergence/Lois & Clark when post-Crisis Supes popped up in New 52 Land, proving all that shit did happen and still could exist.

I took Superman Reborn as a "localized" reintigration specific to Supes, not a larger one for the whole universe as IO9 and others have said. Basically just Superman's two histories have been unified, but it does pave the way for a later, larger-scale integration/rewrite.

And Superman did this...somehow because of his other son, you know the one he left in the Phantom Zone a decade ago?

No, who do you mean?!

And the semi-okay part:
Darkseid is back. He and the New Gods never died.

They never do. I think that's the one constant of the DCU haha.

The Darkseid War was the real start of "Rebirth" after all. Just consider that entire run to be Justice League Rebirth.

It's basically Geoff Jonhs: Rebirth, lol, stretching back to his The Flash: Rebirth run. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2017, 01:06:08 AM
Two Superman? Nonsense. It's one Superman now - the best version. ;)
:hitler

if that summary out of C2E2 is true

 :jawalrus

???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2017, 01:56:36 AM
Chris Kent, Zod's kid that they adopted. Though Mon-El was supposed to come back before too.

Chris Kent was in The Multiversity which is ultracanon because it takes place in our real multiverse. It says so right in the one issue.

The New Gods had never died before, that's why Death of the New Gods and Final Crisis were supposed to be the two-part epic and the...FINAL Crisis. And this will now be my two-part loser rant.

But then Jim Starlin was told he had to follow Countdown instead of the other way around since DiDio loved it ("52 done right!") even though all of it takes place with completely random characters in nonsensical places...AND THE NEW GODS EXCEPT LIKE TWO AREN'T EVEN IN IT. Which is why Death of the New Gods makes zero sense in terms of the core mystery (Starlin started it before he knew what order people had to be killed off...which turned out to be not any of them) and Darkseid and Orion die in their long prophesied battle (Morrison has been obsessed with this, it's in JLA a lot, it's in the very first issue of New Gods too) and Superman just hangs out and watches it all rather than does anything. (Oh, and the "villain" reveals that all that stuff that happened Infinite Crisis, Alex Luthor, so on, that was all secretly him as part of his big plot to...just let things happen...while Metron watches?)

Even though they've been hiding in human bodies all the way back to Seven Soldiers because someone was already killing them off back then but they didn't have their own book to die in and Death of the New Gods wasn't planned yet but Final Crisis was. (I assume Morrison was just going to say they finally had the war and Darkseid won and someone said HEY WE CAN DO A MINISERIES FOR THIS BUT FUCK IT UP.) Then Orion and the other Apokolips New Gods have to die again in Final Crisis (Mister Miracle is killed in Seven Soldiers leaving all the New Genesis New Gods dead...except Mister Miracle is an escape artist) so the plot makes sense and Darkseid can win (he doesn't in Death of the New Gods because he can't win before Final Crisis) and bring about the end of the Fourth World. Except Mister Miracle is alive meaning the anti-life equation can be resisted, and Darkseid can be killed (by Batman because natch) and then as a response try to take the whole multiverse down with him but Superman is Superman so of course he can survive the end of the multiverse and be able to wish for a happy ending.

It's like you noted above, if they had thought ahead and they had the time because Morrison was in charge of it, Final Crisis could have rebooted us into New 52. But they decided at some point to actually reboot the universe, but not totally, and then somewhere else decided to stop everything and find a way to go back. I can't imagine they commissioned Morrison to write The Multiversity AND a full sequel to it along with creating that whole map of the multiverse if they had no intention of setting down something regarding the multiverse to use like the Earth 2 book did.

Now they're basically doing for Superman what Morrison did with Batman originally. It's all canon. All of it. Somehow, in some way it happened. And now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if The Button is going to do that for The Flash since it sounds from having read the first Batman issue of it and piecing it together with Supes and this general idea like they might just be going back and erasing Flashpoint from having happened or at least from having been universe altering.

And then Green Lantern is such a mess anyway and nobody cares about Wonder Woman so they'll just tidy those two up somewhere. And I don't even remember what's going on in Aquaman but I imagine they're going to do something to make him more like the movie version. And everyone else will just go along being rebooted on the fly like they have been for years. The only annoying part is everyone redoes the origins, I think Oliver Queen has had like six new origins and backgrounds and the Teen Titans keep refounding themselves and starting over in their relationships so they all hate each other to start and then randomly killing some new guy SO YOU KNOW THERE'S STAKES EXCEPT NOT FOR ANY OF THE CHARACTERS YOU KNOW AND OH WHOOPS WE'RE USING THESE CHARACTERS IN THE OTHER BOOKS CAN YOU HOLD ON A BIT.

I thought I had loved previous Titans nonsense but my favorite really was New 52 when they spun off The Ravagers and then that series just like ended in the middle of the story and then they rebooted the Titans series again and were like none of that stuff happened okay and forget what they all did in the other books too?

I kinda liked how they did the Titans -> Outsiders, Young Justice -> Titans swap way back in the day when they realized they needed to bump up both teams finally. Oh shit, that wound up collapsing into Countdown though, maybe Dick Grayson is the true villain of the DC Universe.

Long story short, JSA was the best, it's never coming back and neither is Checkmate, even though JLvSS referenced them both. They're dead benji. DEAD. REAL DEAD. (And they were too, Hal Jordan all let them age in Zero Hour and they mostly did die and haven't come back. And Mr. Terrific was so black they banished him to Earth 2 (and the future?) and made him randomly disappear in the middle of the plot, and none of the rest of the main cast of Checkmate was seen again except for Amanda Waller after Booster Gold ended. That was a good book too...man, Flashpoint, fuck you.)

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Tho I kinda liked the "World of Flashpoint" which we could now put on one of those unmarked Earths in Morrison's map!!!!
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2017, 01:56:49 AM
 :mindblown
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 24, 2017, 02:09:45 AM
ha looking at wikipedia to see who was behind New 52 i forgot all the stuff like how they couldn't tell George Perez anything about Superman's backstory (were the Kent's alive, what's his relationship with Lois, etc.) but expected him to write the character as if he'd been around for five years, fired and then rehired gail simone, had a bunch of people leave before their runs even started because editors wanted to change everything and then all the weird batwoman stuff that eventually left her non-canon until she came back with Rebirth in Detective Comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2017, 11:14:32 AM
Except Mister Miracle is alive meaning the anti-life equation can be resisted, and Darkseid can be killed (by Batman because natch) and then as a response try to take the whole multiverse down with him but Superman is Superman so of course he can survive the end of the multiverse and be able to wish for a happy ending.

Yup, Final Crisis was a classic Morrison headtrip. Which is to say not super great. Hence my preference for Infinite Crisis.

Now they're basically doing for Superman what Morrison did with Batman originally. It's all canon. All of it. Somehow, in some way it happened. And now that I think about it, I wouldn't be surprised if The Button is going to do that for The Flash since it sounds from having read the first Batman issue of it and piecing it together with Supes and this general idea like they might just be going back and erasing Flashpoint from having happened or at least from having been universe altering.

I wouldn't say "all of it," it's clearly just post-COIE stuff. The problem with Morrison is he was dredging up shit like Batman of Zur-En-Arrh and other stuff from the Silver Age literally no one except him cared about.

the Teen Titans keep refounding themselves and starting over in their relationships so they all hate each other to start and then randomly killing some new guy SO YOU KNOW THERE'S STAKES EXCEPT NOT FOR ANY OF THE CHARACTERS YOU KNOW AND OH WHOOPS WE'RE USING THESE CHARACTERS IN THE OTHER BOOKS CAN YOU HOLD ON A BIT.

I thought I had loved previous Titans nonsense but my favorite really was New 52 when they spun off The Ravagers and then that series just like ended in the middle of the story and then they rebooted the Titans series again and were like none of that stuff happened okay and forget what they all did in the other books too?

Both Teen Titans were dismal and Ravagers slightly less so. The first N52 TT with Lobdell writing was a fucking trainwreck.

I kinda liked how they did the Titans -> Outsiders, Young Justice -> Titans swap way back in the day when they realized they needed to bump up both teams finally. Oh shit, that wound up collapsing into Countdown though, maybe Dick Grayson is the true villain of the DC Universe.

Well they finally "killed" him in Forever Evil, isn't that enough for you?!

Long story short, JSA was the best, it's never coming back and neither is Checkmate, even though JLvSS referenced them both. They're dead benji. DEAD. REAL DEAD. (And they were too, Hal Jordan all let them age in Zero Hour and they mostly did die and haven't come back. And Mr. Terrific was so black they banished him to Earth 2 (and the future?) and made him randomly disappear in the middle of the plot, and none of the rest of the main cast of Checkmate was seen again except for Amanda Waller after Booster Gold ended. That was a good book too...man, Flashpoint, fuck you.)

Aaaaand you lost me again. :lol

Tho I kinda liked the "World of Flashpoint" which we could now put on one of those unmarked Earths in Morrison's map!!!!

Possibly the only truly neat thing to come out of Multiversity.

Edit- Wait, New 52 is clearly Earth-1 and pre-New 52 seems to be Earth-0.

HE PLANNED IT FROM THE START!!!11

Edit 2- Nope I read that wrong, Earth-1 is the graphic novel-verse and Earth-0 is the current DCU.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2017, 11:16:04 AM
ha looking at wikipedia to see who was behind New 52 i forgot all the stuff like how they couldn't tell George Perez anything about Superman's backstory (were the Kent's alive, what's his relationship with Lois, etc.) but expected him to write the character as if he'd been around for five years, fired and then rehired gail simone, had a bunch of people leave before their runs even started because editors wanted to change everything and then all the weird batwoman stuff that eventually left her non-canon until she came back with Rebirth in Detective Comics.

I wasn't aware of the Batwoman thing. She was non-canon? I can't believe that.

Also yes, everyone realized Superman was a mess pretty much from the start. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on April 24, 2017, 11:21:28 AM
Providence is finally finished, and it was a wild ride. :bow The Old Gods :bow2 :piss Humanity :piss2

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Kinda weird/disappointing that Robert Black became a footnote in the final chapters, and the last issue was completely centered on the Courtyard/Neonomicon characters and Babby Cthulhu. He was only mentioned through his commonplace book, which turned out to be useless and pointless in the end, just like human life. :lawd
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2017, 04:16:20 AM
I wouldn't say "all of it," it's clearly just post-COIE stuff. The problem with Morrison is he was dredging up shit like Batman of Zur-En-Arrh and other stuff from the Silver Age literally no one except him cared about.
After DC published the Black Casebook collecting these old issues (most of which i already had read or owned) with Morrison's commentary on them and I went back and through his run again I appreciated it and R.I.P. way more when in the moment it felt like a complete mess that doesn't make any sense. Even the Joker prose story and Joker's eventual role in the finale strangely works. There's supposed to be something about the grids and stuff that he's telling Bat-Mite but I never looked that up.

It actually is made slightly worse by the Return of Bruce Wayne which reveals who Dr. Hurt really is, though Morrison himself said that he intended it to in fact be Batman defeating the devil. (In the end, it's Batman defeating a fate worse than death, the Omega Sanction!)

Kinda like how Batman Eternal and some others have messed with the Court of the Owls, Hush, etc. by trying to explain too fucking much. I really appreciated how Snyder left "the Joker" in the end, on the park bench with a bit of a sad resignation with Bruce running off to become Batman again. (Also how he basically more or less had the Joker say in Endgame "stop giving a shit about my origin so much, you're missing the entire point.")

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Aaaaand you lost me again. :lol
JSA is really good and Earth 2 started with the same themes. I liked coming into it with Starman first. Aged heroes passing the baton to a new generation that goes heavier on the personal relationships since none of the characters have to run off to their own books like the JLA. And since they weren't important characters like Superman or whatever the writers were allowed to do what they wanted for a whole like 200 issue run unlike JLA which after Morrison left got thrown around and outside of the Elite era had zero sense of continuity. The same writer was doing Earth 2 but quit because editorial started interfering with Futures End deciding the fate of his world and characters before he could even start using them. Even though I think editorial stopped paying attention to Futures End after they did all the one-shot issues so they just send Tim Drake to fix the past and shoot him into the Batman Beyond book because why not then let Earth 2 Society pick up the actual strands of where Earth 2 wound up going.

And Booster Gold spins out of 52 and is really fun, it's him doing a version of Marvel's Exiles series.

Starman/JSA/Booster Gold are all pre-Flashpoint books, though Booster bleeds over into Flashpoint since he's hopping universes anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2017, 03:00:20 PM
Normally don't read The Flash but because it's The Button crossover...yep, Barry and Bruce went back to the Flashpoint universe. (Bruce causally walks in with an elaborate tether to latch himself to the Cosmic Treadmill because of course he's prepared one. :lol)

In the process they saw a bunch of DC history and were all "that's not how that happened"...including stuff from before Crisis...they saw Barry's original run to Bruce warning him of the future during Crisis that BvS lifted.

Best part: Barry off hand suggesting that maybe they should have stuck the button in the Justice League's big ol secure vault instead of leaving it laying on a table under some papers in the Batcave.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 26, 2017, 10:43:41 PM
Ben Reilly - Scarlet Spider #1:

-I can't get over the stupid costume.  Nope.  Just can't.  It actually wouldn't be so bad if they didn't have the stupid cartoonish-looking mouth on the mask.

-Ben is an unlikeable asshole.  Maybe that's what they're going for purposefully?  I hope so.

-He saves a woman from a mugger, takes his gun and shoots the guy, then demands payment for saving her and tells her he'll be back if she can't pay him all the money he wants.  Our...hero...?

-Ben seems to be a schizophrenic and sees/talks to versions of himself as the (original) Scarlet Spider and The Jackal.

-He sees an old lady at a casino and thinks of Aunt May.  Her name is JUNE and he starts calling her "Aunt June" and tells her husband that he's her nephew and WHAT THE FUCK THIS DUDE IS CRAZY.  :lol

Am I to believe the rumors that Marvel is about to make Magneto, Holocaust survivor, a member of Hydra all along, actually making him a NAZI?

They're trying hard to make it so that Hydra aren't Nazis now.  :lol :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on April 30, 2017, 09:00:46 PM
Am I to believe the rumors that Marvel is about to make Magneto, Holocaust survivor, a member of Hydra all along, actually making him a NAZI?

They're trying hard to make it so that Hydra aren't Nazis now.  :lol :-\

If so, that's some of the most fucked up shit I've seen.

I was starting to think that way in Agents of SHIELD TV show as well, in that Hydra has been made to predate the Nazis and have a more lovecraftian goal than simple provide "order" to the world (on their terms, natch).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on May 01, 2017, 09:41:17 PM
Am I to believe the rumors that Marvel is about to make Magneto, Holocaust survivor, a member of Hydra all along, actually making him a NAZI?

They're trying hard to make it so that Hydra aren't Nazis now.  :lol :-\

If so, that's some of the most fucked up shit I've seen.

I was starting to think that way in Agents of SHIELD TV show as well, in that Hydra has been made to predate the Nazis and have a more lovecraftian goal than simple provide "order" to the world (on their terms, natch).

Are you caught up on Agents of Shield? If not don't click the spoiler

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https://twitter.com/agentsofshield/status/849451227620548608?lang=en
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 04, 2017, 07:37:15 AM
X-Men Gold #2: Magneto is secretly building a time platform to send the X-men back to their own time.  Except that in the last series, they already went back and found that they'd been replaced by other versions of themselves.  So what is the point of this?

Secret Empire #1: Did I miss something?  The story has jumped ahead to what appears to be a considerable amount of time following #0.  Hydra has a firm grip on the United States and controls the government.  Kids are taught revisionist history in schools.  Inhumans are rounded up and placed into prison camps.  Mutants have been expelled from the country and have their own land in the northwest U.S.  New York is encased in some magical dark dimension bubble.  Captain Marvel and some others are stuck in space.  People are told to report anything that might seem odd or against Hydra to the government. 

...So how are they not nazis again?  :doge

Captain America has a cabinet of villains he works with.  Most of them are planning stuff against him but he's aware.  He's also holding Sharon Carter hostage (I swear she was turned evil too some months ago) and has captured Rick Jones (former sidekick, now super-7331 hacker guy).  There's a team of Avengers working for Hydra.  It has some bad guys like Task Master, Black Ant, and The Superior Octopus (Doc Ock!), but then also has Deadpool, (Thor) Odinson, Vision, and The Scarlet Witch.  None of this is explained in the book.

Then there's the resistance.  They have a secret base and the team is comprised of (most of) The Champions, Thing, Iron Heart, Wonder Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and some others.  The Tony Stark A.I. that Iron Heart has is the main focus here and it's weird.  Why not just bring the real Tony back instead already?

The issue ends with
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Rick Jones being shot by a firing squad and Hydra showing a display of their power by attacking cities because...reasons?  I don't get it.  They already control everything.
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And that's about it.  Followed by a bunch of upcoming comic listings that will (hopefully) further explain what the fuck is going on.

Also, I like that (Peter Parker) Spider-Man has a prominent placement on the cover...but isn't in the book at all.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 05, 2017, 11:19:50 PM
Am I to believe the rumors that Marvel is about to make Magneto, Holocaust survivor, a member of Hydra all along, actually making him a NAZI?

They're trying hard to make it so that Hydra aren't Nazis now.  :lol :-\

If so, that's some of the most fucked up shit I've seen.

I was starting to think that way in Agents of SHIELD TV show as well, in that Hydra has been made to predate the Nazis and have a more lovecraftian goal than simple provide "order" to the world (on their terms, natch).

Are you caught up on Agents of Shield? If not don't click the spoiler

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https://twitter.com/agentsofshield/status/849451227620548608?lang=en
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I'm not caught up, but I clicked anyway, and YEAH! I DGAF, because it's all just comic book logic and unneeded complexity. And, yeah: Hydra are all nazis.

Also, I ever catch any writer who made Captain America a retroactive Hydra member, I'm goin' in dry.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 08, 2017, 03:17:35 AM
Toxic comiclinity

It's the arrested development that will get me actually arrested.

I need to remember to unsubscribe from my Marvel Unlimited subscription before it renews another month. Someone gave me a free month, and I've been charged for three more months due to my inaction while arguing with myself that "I might read more next month."

Instead, I've been re-reading The Luna Brother's THE SWORD, and loving it again. Their actual artwork is about as pedestrian as it can be, but their pacing, paneling, and writing is really impressive. I started with their GIRLS book and didn't make it past the first TPB.

Also been wanting to enjoy Rat Queens more than I am. I love the idea behind it, but it just feels cheesy and shallow, where I want something more along a Joe Abercrombie or Scott Lynch novel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 08, 2017, 09:15:25 AM
I need to remember to unsubscribe from my Marvel Unlimited subscription before it renews another month. Someone gave me a free month, and I've been charged for three more months due to my inaction while arguing with myself that "I might read more next month."

1. Go to http://readcomiconline.to/

2. Read tons of comics, including Marvel, for free, from your browser.

3. YARRRRR MATEYS
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 09, 2017, 10:45:53 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/QDv2DQX.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 17, 2017, 07:41:58 AM
(http://screenrant1.imgix.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/Doomsday-Clock-DC-Comics-Reveal.jpg?auto=format&cs=tinysrgb&q=20&w=786&h=604&fit=crop)
Quote from: Geoff Johns
It is the most personal and most epic, utterly mind-bending project I have ever worked on in my career.

Quote from: Geoff Johns
It took my heart and soul over.

“We’re not going to do a story like this unless we one-thousand percent believe in it. It is all about the story; it is only about the story. There are no crossovers. No watered down one-shots or mini-series on top of this one. This is a standalone story. There is only Doomsday Clock.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2017, 11:54:09 PM
Batman (2016) #24 spoilers:

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Bruce proposed to Catwoman. :facepalm
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 06, 2017, 07:30:49 AM
Somehow I don't expect that to work out.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2017, 01:59:09 PM
best part is that Selina recently kinda had an extended psychotic breakdown (to explain where she's been since they canned her books and started rebirth and why she was in Arkham)

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I've always thought it'd be interesting to explore the whole aspect of their relationship where Selina is totally fine with killing to protect Bruce...she even does it in Batman Returns!
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knowing where the issue is headed is actually better than being surprised by it, it kinda ties together Tom King's run so far
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 14, 2017, 05:51:34 PM
Secret Empire Turned Ultron Into the Most Sensible Person in Marvel's Comics (http://io9.gizmodo.com/secret-empire-turns-ultron-into-the-most-sensible-perso-1796106035)

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After the human-robot traps everyone at a literal dinner table, the two sides of Secret Empire begin to go at each other verbally in lieu of using their fists. While both sides try to convince Pym-Ultron that they’re in the right, he ultimately shuts them all down by pointing out that literally all of them have spent the last couple of major story arcs and events fucking up in massively different ways.

Comics!

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Or rather: Marvel Comics!
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 14, 2017, 07:14:39 PM
Is it me or has Marvel's actual comics been shit for a while now?*

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*Can't say much about DC since I dropped it a few years ago too.
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From a DC fan's point of view it's kinda interesting. They made some great moves a while back while DC was suffering blowback from New 52 (and the lead up to it.) Marvel Unlimited, first of the two to do day-and-date digital, integration with Comixology, a well-rounded alternate universe free of continuity (Ultimate), and events that while not great tackled contemporary topics in interesting ways. Civil War was shit, but it was the first time I remember thinking, "Wait, heroes can fight each other (all out?)"

Despite some storm clouds (constant event crossovers interrupting lines, a focus on "dark and gritty" for its own sake, heroes never really getting to be heroes) it all seemed like it would pay off in Secret Wars. And it kinda did... until Marvel went right back to their pre-Secret Wars strategy soon after. It feels like there's a new Marvel event every three months and even as a casual observer it's exhausting to keep track of. Not to mention they pre-announced their next three events so it's even more obvious there's never any stakes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 14, 2017, 08:55:00 PM
Civil War II was definitely bad.  And largely pointless, except for one thing, which is Spider-Man (Miles) standing over a dead Captain America in D.C.  It was supposed to be a vision from an Inhuman that never happened, but with Secret Empire, well...guess that's the ending.

What has been pretty good in Marvel, despite the absurdity of how it happened (check a page or two back; I summarized it), is Captain America being turned into the number one villain.  The Steve Rogers Captain America books leading up to Secret Empire are worth a read.  I've also been enjoying the Spider-Man and X-Men books lately, because they've been entirely self-contained and are almost being treated like mini-universes.  Looks like they're about to start Secret Empire crossover shit, though.

The other thing that seems to be happening (unless it's some kind of comic book swerve and these guys are from elsewhere) is that characters from the Ultimate universe are coming back.  That universe was destroyed/combined with the 616 universe in Secret Wars, with only Miles and his family/friends seemingly surviving.  But now there's a group of Ultimates popping up (in Ultimates, IIRC, lolol), Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine's son) in X-Men Blue, and another Steve Rogers in Secret Empire, wandering around a forest wondering what's going on.  LMAO (and fuck off, Marvel) if they're just going to have Hydra-Cap die or stay full villain and have Ultimate Cap just replace him.  There also may be Ultimate Thor back, but this other Thor is being referred to as "War Thor" and seems to be a different character.

Secret Empire is only on #3, but it already feels like it's just dragging on.  I also hate how it just shows Hydra running America, Inhumans in camps, and mutants on a reservation of sorts, but gives us almost no details on how this takeover happened so easily.  NYC is in some kind of big darkforce bubble, so most superheroes are trapped within, sure, but it's still a head-scratcher how easily this was pulled off. 

I guess I like this series more than Civil War II, but I'm really tired of Marvel crossovers pitting heroes against each other and them just introducing younger rehashes of heroes.  Do something fucking NEW already.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on June 14, 2017, 11:09:20 PM
You don't want something new, you want something different. You wanted something new you wouldn't be reading cape comics :smug

Blackblot is nice.
ASM:Renew Your Vows is nice.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 15, 2017, 01:57:34 AM
Isn't Renew Your Vows basically Superman: Lois & Clark/Superman Rebirth but not canon?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2017, 02:07:02 AM
i read some non "cape" stuff, or at least like one of those deconstructive takes

thief of thieves was pretty hot, think i already talked about it, waiting on the conclusion
harrow county is i dunno, like really uneven, and i know it's supposed to have all this OUTSIDE THE COMIC stuff like extended prose and artwork online you're supposed to get into but like nah breh
jupiters legacy/jupiters circle is kinda like invincible/incorruptible supercompressed, i liked it because millar totally didn't millar all over himself
huck wasn't as great as everyone else seems to think, got too weird rather than what literally every review says about it staying "grounded"
cryptocracy which had some cool world building even though it ends after six issues, hate when that happens
started southern bastards which had a neat opening that while not that well written as it comes in blind sorta sets up for a series that you could see going places, especially with the ending, i only read volume one but i got the rest sitting here and looked at the first part of volume two and it starts to play in the world should read the rest so far or somethin

crypotcracy made me want injection to come back already, i hate these "artist owned" books that the writers drop in an instant to go write five issues of spider-man or whatever lol

rucka literally did that with lazarus and then put in a whole authors rant about how donald trump just makes him not want to live and etc. etc. so the book is going away for who knows how long, it's like get back to making my comics bitch, this trump's america now you're slave labor!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 15, 2017, 07:34:02 AM
You don't want something new, you want something different. You wanted something new you wouldn't be reading cape comics :smug

Semantics.  :P

Isn't Renew Your Vows basically Superman: Lois & Clark/Superman Rebirth but not canon?

Kinda, yeah.  Takes place in an alternate universe (first introduced in Secret Wars) and has Peter, Mary Jane, and their kid all being superheroes.  (MJ wears a suit that gives her powers, IIRC.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 15, 2017, 06:08:30 PM
Civil War II was definitely bad.  And largely pointless, except for one thing, which is Spider-Man (Miles) standing over a dead Captain America in D.C.  It was supposed to be a vision from an Inhuman that never happened, but with Secret Empire, well...guess that's the ending.

What has been pretty good in Marvel, despite the absurdity of how it happened (check a page or two back; I summarized it), is Captain America being turned into the number one villain.  The Steve Rogers Captain America books leading up to Secret Empire are worth a read.  I've also been enjoying the Spider-Man and X-Men books lately, because they've been entirely self-contained and are almost being treated like mini-universes.  Looks like they're about to start Secret Empire crossover shit, though.

The other thing that seems to be happening (unless it's some kind of comic book swerve and these guys are from elsewhere) is that characters from the Ultimate universe are coming back.  That universe was destroyed/combined with the 616 universe in Secret Wars, with only Miles and his family/friends seemingly surviving.  But now there's a group of Ultimates popping up (in Ultimates, IIRC, lolol), Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine's son) in X-Men Blue, and another Steve Rogers in Secret Empire, wandering around a forest wondering what's going on.  LMAO (and fuck off, Marvel) if they're just going to have Hydra-Cap die or stay full villain and have Ultimate Cap just replace him.  There also may be Ultimate Thor back, but this other Thor is being referred to as "War Thor" and seems to be a different character.

Secret Empire is only on #3, but it already feels like it's just dragging on.  I also hate how it just shows Hydra running America, Inhumans in camps, and mutants on a reservation of sorts, but gives us almost no details on how this takeover happened so easily.  NYC is in some kind of big darkforce bubble, so most superheroes are trapped within, sure, but it's still a head-scratcher how easily this was pulled off. 

I guess I like this series more than Civil War II, but I'm really tired of Marvel crossovers pitting heroes against each other and them just introducing younger rehashes of heroes.  Do something fucking NEW already.

Which, itself, is about as fun to pronounce as "Rural Juror."

Also, I am reading Ellis' Injection and liking it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 15, 2017, 07:33:36 PM
http://www.comicsbeat.com/eisner-watch-2017-read-the-entirety-of-kings-and-finchs-batman-short-good-boy/

This is charming and wonderful.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Madrun Badrun on June 15, 2017, 11:41:35 PM
edit wrong thread
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Valkyrie on June 16, 2017, 05:47:54 AM
Jail Jail Jail
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2017, 09:47:50 PM
I hope you like Batman! (http://www.cbr.com/dc-comics-evil-batman-dark-nights-metal/)

Quote
The series of Dark Knight one-shots debuts Sept. 20 with Batman: The Red Death #1, by writer Joshua Williamson and artist Carmine Di Giandomenico; followed Sept. 2y by Batman: The Murder Machine #1 by Frank Tieri and Ricardo Federici; Oct. 4 by Batman: The Dawnbreaker #1 by Sam Humphries and Ethan Van Sciver; Oct. 18 by Batman: The Drowned #1, by Dan Abnett and Philip Tan; Oct. 25 by Batman: The Merciless #1, by Peter J. Tomasi and Francis Manapul; Nov. 1 by Batman: The Devastator #1; and Nov. 15 by The Batman Who Laughs. The creative teams for the final two one-shots weren’t revealed.

This is basically DC's big event for the year (Dark Nights: Metal.) Which is apparently a "Crisis-level" event with Batman fucking around with the Cosmic Tuning Fork from Infinite Crisis. (http://www.cbr.com/dc-comics-dark-nights-metal-crisis/)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on June 18, 2017, 09:57:58 PM
I'm kind of bored right now.

I'm really trying to enjoy "THE FEW", but I still even have to finish issue #2. It seems interesting, but there's something about the art style.. It reminds me a lot of the kind of art style of french comics.. But I don' t know. It's just.. hard to read and follow  :doge

I'm going start catching up on the last 2 Punisher series. I've read issue #1 of one of them and it was super average.

I cancelled my Weapon X sub, I'm not sure why I subbed to that. I knew it would be lame, but eh.

I gotta catch up on Superman, I only read the first few issues, it was a bit too fruity for me.

That super god awful Venom run is finally over, that army dude (Lee Price?) was so lame. At least we got a few amazing variant covers out of that run. Venom #150 was fun in a trashy way. I wonder where they are gonna go with the return of Eddie Brock.

I enjoyed The Rapture #1, Valiant seem to have a lot of interesting stuff coming out. I'm looking forward Kill The Minotaur #1 from Image.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2017, 10:04:20 PM
I gotta catch up on Superman, I only read the first few issues, it was a bit too fruity for me.

 >:(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 18, 2017, 10:16:44 PM
Action Comics #1 was a little slow, but once you get past World War II, it really starts picking up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 02:50:14 PM
Metal is actually looking like it could be pretty cool, apparently Snyder had a much smaller idea in mind and Johns told him to just go nuts with it instead. (Helps that it fills out their schedule and delays the inevitable Watchmen event they have to put together.) Though his talk about how it ties into stuff he did all the way back to Court of the Owls and forward is more like an actual writer who did mention stuff and use it and is now fleshing it out even more given the chance and not Morrison type remember this single line in this one issue 45 years ago well IT MEANS EVERYTHING AND HERE'S A TWENTY PART STORY ABOUT IT which I had to slightly readjust for.

I liked the first issue The Forge. And figuring out who the narrator was one of those fun little contained in a single issue mysteries that doesn't mean anything but was still fun to guess right at.

I also like the new JLA series with Lobo, The Atom, Killer Frost, Vixen and The Ray with Batman as the team. More so than the main Justice League book. Though the first couple issues do way more telling than effectively showing what the premise is supposed to be about. (Though the book does lampshade hang on the whole Lobo aspect at least.) Also, I think they may have caused inadvertently a violent coup and massacre rather than peaceful democratic uprising, it'd be great if the series actually went back and that was what happened like Elite implied happened years ago (I'm talking way pre-New 52, pre-Final Crisis even) in a storyline where the JLA took out some human dictator,  never came back and well, oops.

Also for a book that's counting down with a limited number of issues, The Wild Storm sure is taking its fucking time to have literally anything beyond naming characters happen. Jesus christ Ellis, use your Planetary pacing here or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2017, 04:09:31 PM
The Forge was decent.

I wish Snyder would stop caring about Duke though... blandest character since Batwing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 04:20:16 PM
remember that time they just randomly changed Batwing from being unique and having a really potentially interesting premise to just being Lucius Fox's son and then everyone just forgot about the whole thing for three years or so

in fairness the good version set in africa did sell like garbage iirc

if you took out all the pages of batman yelling at duke or duke questioning his confidence (when he was the most self-started sidekick since Tim initially) then all-star batman would have like ten pages an issue
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2017, 04:25:01 PM
Haven't even gotten around to ASB, haha. Not really encouraging me there.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 04:26:52 PM
i think he's "quit" and come back like twice in eleven issues

and then randomly in the middle goes out completely on his own and solves a whole case and then bails out bruce

the book itself is not very good, especially after he ends the first story...which is pretty terrible

they're apparently going to change the format on it to larger one shots or something because snyder figured out he didn't really want to do an ongoing book but that's what it turned into
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2017, 04:39:48 PM
though the last issue did have a funny part where the penguin, black mask and great white rescue batman totally out of costume and then make fun of his "crappy bruce wayne disguise" and how he and hush can't get it right at all

plus the new storyline is alfred-centric so hopefully that works out decently before they can the project, since the previous storyline made him look like a shitbag
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 06, 2017, 11:06:05 PM
Batman finally did it?  I wonder how long it will last  :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on July 06, 2017, 11:15:18 PM
Going to a con tomorrow, and I'm gonna get my old tmnt comic signed by Kevin Eastman  :aah ,

I'll be dropping a bunch of comics at the cgc booth to get them evaluated and then it's on to complete my complete Uncanny X-men, Punisher sets :lawd

I also bought a few blank variants of Captain America, Red Hulk, Old Man Logan and Ghost Rider that I plan on getting customized, without killing my funds.

I also want to find those old Batman Vs Predator comics from back in the days. I remember how my father brought me to this comic shop when I was 11 or so, and then he gave me 20$ (!!) to spend. I was blown the fuck away by the concept of those two colliding in a comic and I ended up buying the first 2 issues. I read them to death, and I was amazed by how gritty it was. Batman getting trashed, my little mind was blown away at the time.  I've lost those comics over the years, so I need a new set.

I secretly love all those Robocop, Terminator, Alien and all the crossover comics. It's my secret confession. All that early '90 comic cheese. I can't get tired of it.


In modern comics news, Kill The Minotaur #1 was ..  ??? Kinda uninteresting. I need to give it a re-read. I had no reactions to it. It's not bad.. But I just don't know if I like the tone of it.

Venom #150 was fun, #151 was eh. I'm just not feeling it. I was just expecting something more epic

I'm thinking about just dropping modern comics altogether. Nothing is keeping me interested anymore.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on July 07, 2017, 01:58:06 AM
Mile-High withdraws from SDCC for the first time in 44 years:
http://www.milehighcomics.com/newsletter/070517email.html
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: TVC15 on July 07, 2017, 02:02:35 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/516kJabVhTL._SY344_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg)

Just finished and loved this, although the third act or so is iffy and feels perhaps rushed or underwritten. I love these two as a team (and individually). I wish there was more Moebius stuff readily available in english.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 07, 2017, 02:44:15 AM
Injection is so good, I just hope it goes somewhere as fun as the journey is being and isn't a big nothingburger that makes you regret putting up with the delays. May need to just put it in the bank pile to build up in the backlog.

Meanwhile, in the random backlog shelving we have Hitman. No, not Agent 47, but the only comic to surpass like four issues that spun out of DC's horrific and disastrous Bloodlines crossover event in the mid-1990s. It's stupid, but funny stupid. And seems intent on making a superhuman hitman the least absurd part of the comic.

Unfortunately, I read the The Boys already and can tell that was a poorly disguised spiritual sequel to this. One of the main characters in that is almost assuredly supposed to be a version of Tommy.

There's also some crossover with Preacher which he was writing at the same time. Lots of the same themes at work. Garth sure loves his perverted Nazi's.

Oh, and also obviously Punisher. It's probably more accurate to say Hitman/Preacher -> The Punisher/Punisher MAX -> The Boys.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on July 08, 2017, 04:54:17 AM
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/c9cd7ab96636860b69a50741fa55c4dc/tumblr_inline_osqc1tVyqB1rp2l9y_1280.png) (http://textsfromsuperheroes.com/post/162712537046/bestofspiderman)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on July 08, 2017, 09:11:26 PM
Black Widow does have the hourglass symbol that black widow spiders have though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on July 11, 2017, 01:43:38 PM
So what are you guys exciting about these days?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 11, 2017, 01:47:54 PM
So what are you guys exciting about these days?

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DEW03fhXoAADhXM.jpg:small)

Post-Rebirth Superman is still my everything.

Have a couple issue-long backlog of the other stuff I usually read like Batman, Tec, Teen Titans, regular-ass Titans, Nightwing, and Super Sons.

I did read The Flash/Batman: The Button and that was pretty darn cool.

Dark Days: The Forge was an OK prequel thing to the upcoming crossover (Dark Nights: Metal.) I just wish Snyder would give up on Duke, dude is blander than Batwing and that's saying a whole lot. Edit- Already said that further up the page, lol. It still stands.

Doomsday Clock in November tho :aah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on July 13, 2017, 09:55:15 PM
I'm really torn on Scott Snyder. I love some of the stories he's done, like Court of Owls, Death of the Family and Endgame. But other stuff he's done has been shit that requires me to suspend my generous amounts of disbelief well past their breaking point, like the whole concept of Year Zero.

So far Metal has been really good though. We'll see if it stays that way or if it shoots it wad in the buildup. Admittedly, the idea of more evil Batmen doesn't get me excited, but it's been good enough to stay on it for sure.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2017, 10:50:06 PM
They're Batmen because Batman is the one who followed the path through to and has now tampered with the Metals. If that makes any sense.

Snyder didn't write the diary story right as it's been more filler backstory than a coordinated mystery, but the Joker basically told Jordan this right before he pulled his escape.

The Casting was a lot more hamfisted and dumb than The Forge. I literally lol'd at Wonder Woman giving Bruce a weapon forged by the gods themselves and telling him to not fuck this up, and then like four pages later, he instantly hands it over to Talia of all people and then heads back to the Batcave to fuck this up as much as possible. :lol

IMO, Snyder's best stuff is still with Dick back in The Black Mirror. That James Gordon story. :whew :whoo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2017, 10:52:16 PM
Actually, the Joker explaining everything about how he got his face back on and stuff was probably a better example of hamfisted Snyder writing for the LCD rather than the fact that it's pretty fucking obvious and didn't need a whole page with a shit load of text devoted to it.

Reminded me of some of All-Star Batman's rehashing the plot up to that point over and over with every issue.

Best part of Metal so far has been the part with the Fortress of Solitude and Mister Miracle. That entire conversation about the existence of the completely absurd vault Bruce somehow constructed, Superman nonchalantly being all like "that's good ol Bruce" with the whole concept and Scott bailing the fuck out out of the universe after he gets a single glimpse of what's happening. :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2017, 02:32:13 AM
He's not writing Batman or Detective Comics, just All-Star Batman and this crossover event.

I've enjoyed what Tom King's (Grayson) been doing in Batman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2017, 02:28:27 PM
Dark Days: The Casting was a whole lotta nothing. Really have no patience for:

- A bunch of narrative bubbles crapping up the page like a Tim Buckley webcomic.
- Two different narrators interweaving.
- Preordained cult gobbledygook in a Batman comic.
- Retcons relating to a character's origins ("The Joker CHOSE Duke OMFG!!!!11" Fuck off.)
- Retcons relating to an entire universe ("Meta-humans come from this weird metal! Get it? META, META-L!" Fuck off.)
- The Joker being "serious."
- Characters being vague as FUCK just to keep "the mystery" up. I have zero patience for shit like "You don't know what's coming but I do!!" "Oh just wait..." "I can't believe they're coming!!" FUCK. OFF.

I thought the previous comic ("Dark Days: The Forge") was OK, but this one definitely jumped the shark. Hype for "Dark Nights: Metal" (fucking stupid names, btw) has been completely deflated. And I like Snyder overall.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 14, 2017, 05:19:01 PM
- Retcons relating to a character's origins ("The Joker CHOSE Duke OMFG!!!!11" Fuck off.)

wut

Quote
- Retcons relating to an entire universe ("Meta-humans come from this weird metal! Get it? META, META-L!" Fuck off.)
:crazy

Quote
- The Joker being "serious."
:dead

I haven't been reading most DC books since this year began.  Now I'm not sure if I want to go back to them.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 14, 2017, 05:33:14 PM
Recent Marvel Musings:

-I generally find myself enjoying the books that either have nothing to do with the Secret Empire storyline or haven't gotten there yet.  That storyline is just dragging and dragging and I'm already ready for it to move on and be over with.  I still hate that there's so little backstory behind how it was that Hydra so easily took over everything, how certain heroes turned and joined them, and the mutant nation of "New Tian" (AKA California).

-I do like what's going on in the Spider-Man books.  Amazing recently started the Secret Empire stuff (pre-takeover so far) and it's more fun, because it has been about Otto returning (as The Superior Octopus- basically the Superior Spider-Man back again) and trying to take back Parker Industries, which he started when he was Spider-Man in the Superior books.

-Spider-Men II just started.  The original mini-series, from five years ago, ended with one unanswered question- Peter Parker does a Google Search for "Miles Morales" and finds that there is a 616 counterpart, and looks shocked, but we never find out why.  I thought maybe they just decided to forget about this since they brought Ultimate Spider-Man and co. into the 616 universe, but nope...this issue ends with the 616 Miles being introduced.  He's an older guy, with a scarred face, who appears to be quite wealthy and has been laying low.  There's also a different Taskmaster who pops up from what appears to be another universe, which is interesting since all that stuff is supposed to be gone because of Secret Wars.  Hmm...

-Old Man Logan got a new creative team recently.  I like what they're doing- Logan's wandering around in Canada and suddenly he's fighting the Hulk Gang, the inbred redneck hulks from his timeline.  No idea how they're there, but they're being led by The Maestro, who is the evil older Hulk from another alternate timeline. 

-Over in Weapon X and The Awesome Hulk, it's all about crazy adamantium Terminators trying to take everyone out...and now there's gonna be adamantium boned HULKS coming next.  Insanity!

-I like Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine) in X-Men Blue, but...man.  That's Old Man Logan, Wolverine (Laura/X-23), Jimmy, Daken, and Gabby (another Laura clone).  Plus similar characters like Sabertooth (still a good guy) and Lady Deathstrike.  Do we really need so many Wolverines?  :lol

-Still don't care about The Inhumans.  Y'know, I hope that TV miniseries coming soon bombs and that's the end of their push.  It already kind of feels like Marvel gave up on them in the comics.  X-Men >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Inhumass.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2017, 05:47:03 PM
- Retcons relating to a character's origins ("The Joker CHOSE Duke OMFG!!!!11" Fuck off.)

wut

Quote
- Retcons relating to an entire universe ("Meta-humans come from this weird metal! Get it? META, META-L!" Fuck off.)
:crazy

Quote
- The Joker being "serious."
:dead

I haven't been reading most DC books since this year began.  Now I'm not sure if I want to go back to them.  :doge

Tasty's Law of Comics: Ignore events and pick a creative team you like; if an event actually ends up being good, pick up the trade. ;)

Re:Duke - His whole thing has been his family was randomly laugh gassed by the Joker when he was 16 and so Batman took him in... to do jack shit. Seriously, despite him being around for four(?) years he hasn't been a major player in ANY storyline. Only one that came sorta close was Batman: Endgame. So unlike the other Robins* (grr grumble grumble Jack Drake grumble grumble New 52...), Duke's parents are "around," they're just completely insane. (Think Neville Longbottom.) That's his whole gimmick and it's a pretty lame one at that...

How this all factors into Dark Days: Joker reveals that he infiltrated the hospital the night Duke was born and saw that he had been flagged in the hospital database as "META." So he waited like 16 fucking years before enacting his "grand plan" of gassing his parents. Because... I don't fucking know. The whole "The Joker's crazy! That means everything he does is some kind of fucking plan!" thing was super old even 10 years ago.

Also, hospitals attach the "META" tag to infants because "the flags can only have four letters." What does "META" stand for? "METAL" of course! As in, they have this "Dionysium"/"Nth Metal" in their blood. I can see Snyder talking himself through this as he's writing it:

"Oh my fucking GOD I'm a GENIUS!!" :ego

* Duke is Robin in everything but name and color scheme. They're also setting up Dark Nights as the event where he "finally" gets his superhero name.

Meanwhile, comic book readers: :boring
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on July 14, 2017, 05:49:02 PM
Quote
Old Man Logan got a new creative team recently.  I like what they're doing- Logan's wandering around in Canada and suddenly he's fighting the Hulk Gang, the inbred redneck hulks from his timeline.  No idea how they're there, but they're being led by The Maestro, who is the evil older Hulk from another alternate timeline. 
I just caught up on my OML backlog, and what a great ride it has been so far, except for the very random Dracula story arc but it only lasted 2-3 issues  :doge

Outside of that, it was great!

Next-Step: All New Wolverine
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2017, 05:59:23 PM
Duke was one of the robins when they had that whole gang of teenage robins running around after damian was killed, that's where he came from, well that and he also happened to hang out at the place Bruce was chillin at with his lady during that whole pretending he's not batman thing and bruce had to go rescue him like four times or something, so nothing's changed...also he rescued Bruce during Zero Year...

i didn't read the Joker as being deliberately serious, so much as they obviously weren't understanding what he was trying to tell them about what Bruce has done (notice, they don't listen and immediately assist Bruce in creating the machine), and his comments to Duke weren't an actual backwards explanatory plan but a bluff using info he's obviously been privy to sitting down there in the cave to get him close and activate his escape...so an inverse of Ledger's Joker's "i don't plan anything" lie

well

i prefer to think of it that way, especially as Snyder said the Joker isn't part of this after the intro, which was a way to introduce him back without having to explain where he's been other than Bruce has had him locked up the whole time...Johns is the one writing the Three Jokers story

the META thing though was hilariously stupid :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on July 16, 2017, 12:59:39 AM
So tonight I blasted through the entire Punisher Volume 9 run. The Punisher is now in Los Angeles. After executing a Danny Trejo clone, he learns of chemical weapons ( :doge ) being sold by Mexican cartels and he sets off to kill them all.

It's a fairly typical Punisher series, it has the ever classic "Punisher in Prison" arc that is pretty most a meme by now, and he obviously starts a prison riot. I think this is the 41th prison riot he has started. There are appearance by The Black Widow and Electro ( ::) ) at some points.

The problem with writing a punisher storyline is that the character has never recovered from The Punisher Max. Every new writer wants to pay homage to it, but cant because Mahvel kinda wants to keep The Punisher PG13. So you end up with real-life crime stuff mixed with stuff like Electro being hired By the Cartels to capture The Punisher. It just feels.. weird. It doesn't blend very well.

You either fully embrace real life like The Punisher MAX or or go full camp with  the "regular human outmatched by super powered bad guys" angle they did  during the Civil War arc like when The Punisher fought The Sentry.

It wasnt a bad read, it's just a bit by the number, and there's a few  :doge moments like Electro suddenly disappearing? Or the super over the top plot with the cartel trying to take over LA by inciting a giant riot. What was their end game exactly? Some other characters just.. suddenly go away. It was weird?

The final two issues were great. It was a tie-in with the last secret Invasion event. It featured The Punisher being sent in a suicide mission against an ISIS type group. Non-stop action, tons of terrorists getting killed in gory (and sometimes hilarious) ways as he stalks every member of the cell and massacres them.

The ending was very interesting. The Punisher is mortally wounded and is laying in a pool of his own blood, while the sky above him turn white and everything fades out. Is he dead? Has he gone to heaven, SOMEHOW?

It turns out that the last two issues are tied to the end of the world caused by the whole secret wars event. I had to read up online about it and it seems that whatever war happened between the capes caused the destruction of many alternative universes, including the one featured in this run.

I guess it was a nice twist ending!

I give that run a 8/10
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 17, 2017, 05:25:47 PM
Been checking out secret empire and WTF  :lol

Hydra Cap is pretty awesome and a huge piece of shit.

Also even with this fucking shitshow happening they will never live down Hank slapping Janet  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


The other thing that seems to be happening (unless it's some kind of comic book swerve and these guys are from elsewhere) is that characters from the Ultimate universe are coming back.  That universe was destroyed/combined with the 616 universe in Secret Wars, with only Miles and his family/friends seemingly surviving.  But now there's a group of Ultimates popping up (in Ultimates, IIRC, lolol), Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine's son) in X-Men Blue, and another Steve Rogers in Secret Empire, wandering around a forest wondering what's going on.  LMAO (and fuck off, Marvel) if they're just going to have Hydra-Cap die or stay full villain and have Ultimate Cap just replace him.  There also may be Ultimate Thor back, but this other Thor is being referred to as "War Thor" and seems to be a different character.



hmmm this could explain it but we'll see.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on July 17, 2017, 07:28:25 PM
Been checking out secret empire and WTF  :lol

Hydra Cap is pretty awesome and a huge piece of shit.

Also even with this fucking shitshow happening they will never live down Hank slapping Janet  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


The other thing that seems to be happening (unless it's some kind of comic book swerve and these guys are from elsewhere) is that characters from the Ultimate universe are coming back.  That universe was destroyed/combined with the 616 universe in Secret Wars, with only Miles and his family/friends seemingly surviving.  But now there's a group of Ultimates popping up (in Ultimates, IIRC, lolol), Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine's son) in X-Men Blue, and another Steve Rogers in Secret Empire, wandering around a forest wondering what's going on.  LMAO (and fuck off, Marvel) if they're just going to have Hydra-Cap die or stay full villain and have Ultimate Cap just replace him.  There also may be Ultimate Thor back, but this other Thor is being referred to as "War Thor" and seems to be a different character.



hmmm this could explain it but we'll see.

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petes punched a pregnant mj and thats already been forgotten. tony could shoot pepper and that shit would be forgotten by the next event. its been decades, and you still have characters talking about the slap somehow despite all the retcons and retools.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2017, 07:57:08 PM
oh man, bringing back the Ultimate universe already would top everything in mainstream superhero comics, especially if it was major characters from it

i think it'd be the thing to make me finally spend some time with the recent Ultimate/Marvel canon (i stopped not long after Ultimate X-Men ended and they shit-binned the vastly inferior New Exiles)

even DC let Grant Morrison, from the get go, write a big "IT'S ALL HYPERTIME YO" button into the New 52 with The Multiversity (even if they used something entirely different and stupider to reboot back out, though really Rebirth has re-written that into a time-skip) just in case they needed to salvage anything up to including the entire canon back to 1939 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 17, 2017, 08:55:43 PM
Marvel's next big thing is "Legacy," which seems to be them going back to "the basics."  Following DC, comics are going to switch back to their original numbering and there will be changes to characters making them (supposedly) more they used to be.  For example, Spider-Man will be back at the Daily Bugle, although writer Dan Slott is teasing that it's in a different role.  Speculation is that he'll own the Bugle or something.  No more Parker Industries billionaire Peter Parker, though.

I still would really like to know how the hell they are going to get Steve Rogers back as a good guy after all this Secret Empire shit.  I would love it if they had the balls to keep him as a villain.

Been checking out secret empire and WTF  :lol

Hydra Cap is pretty awesome and a huge piece of shit.

Also even with this fucking shitshow happening they will never live down Hank slapping Janet  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


The other thing that seems to be happening (unless it's some kind of comic book swerve and these guys are from elsewhere) is that characters from the Ultimate universe are coming back.  That universe was destroyed/combined with the 616 universe in Secret Wars, with only Miles and his family/friends seemingly surviving.  But now there's a group of Ultimates popping up (in Ultimates, IIRC, lolol), Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine's son) in X-Men Blue, and another Steve Rogers in Secret Empire, wandering around a forest wondering what's going on.  LMAO (and fuck off, Marvel) if they're just going to have Hydra-Cap die or stay full villain and have Ultimate Cap just replace him.  There also may be Ultimate Thor back, but this other Thor is being referred to as "War Thor" and seems to be a different character.



hmmm this could explain it but we'll see.

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It's hard to tell if there's another Captain America now.  It may just be that the scenes with the other Steve are all playing out in Steve's head.  He's met up with two guys that appear to be similar in appearance to Rick Jones and Sam Wilson, and the the Red Skull popped up at the end of the last Secret Empire issue.  But if it is Ultimate Cap...then it's gonna be incredibly easy to bring back him as a superhero.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2017, 09:13:25 PM
It's funny that, basically that was the whole point of Ultimate originally. Was Marvel's response to the Clone Saga and the X-Men's endless crossover status turning everything into an endless clusterfuck and turning off readers as the TPB market hadn't yet exploded to make up for it, they'd launch this separate universe with a clean slate and stuff updated from the 1960s originals to 2000 and go from there.

Then not too long ago with the movies taking off and Ultimate now having a decade of back material they did that Season One line among others. I think they even launched an Avengers book that wasn't set in any universes for people coming solely from the movies (even though it was set in its own universe, not the movies one and had different versions of the characters), which I think turned out to be nobody enough to bother continuing it past the original TPB collection. :lol

Though now this make me wonder what's happening at DC with Earth One since that was actually going pretty well storywise imo and it seemed like they were starting to come out more often. Probably needed to do some bimonthly/quarterly books or something with that rather than writing single trades with no real schedule.

fakedit: oh, they just this week announced the next Earth One. Green Lantern. For March 2018.

No other books with release dates. Batman #2 and Superman #3 were May and Feb 2015 respectively. Batman #3, Aquaman and The Flash were all announced in 2014 but have no release dates.

lol this old article from 2014 says they were actually planning a weekly online series

the first Superman: Earth One book was 2010 :heh

scrap it all, start over, especially since Geoff Johns and fucking Straczynski* are the two main writers of the series

*one of the nine people hired to write the story for the Godzilla vs. Kong film
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 17, 2017, 09:20:24 PM
Marvel is still doing comics that are more movie-based or solely focused on characters from the movies.  They usually just title them "Marvel Universe ________" IIRC.

If they really want to get back to basics, they need to do something about all the multiple versions of characters.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2017, 09:38:47 PM
Just from the name "Marvel Legacy" makes me think more like you're doing it as a deliberate throw back, with the books set in the 1960s with those sets of characters/teams/etc., only not the comics code version of the 1960s that the originals were set in. That being the "updated for today" part.

It'd be even better if Thor Legacy started out as a recurring feature of twelve pages or so in the back of another book, with four of the pages being him fretting over his secret identity being discovered by Jane and him fretting about Odin finding about his love for Jane. And another six pages being some insane Norse legends eat LSD panels. In other words, they could just reprint the original Journey into Mystery issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 17, 2017, 09:50:52 PM
Also FF Legacy needs to have ALL of this retained:

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Also, since it was in this folder, Spider-Man realizes he can only turn to NeoGAF.com:
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 18, 2017, 03:21:49 AM
Marvel's next big thing is "Legacy," which seems to be them going back to "the basics."  Following DC, comics are going to switch back to their original numbering and there will be changes to characters making them (supposedly) more they used to be.  For example, Spider-Man will be back at the Daily Bugle, although writer Dan Slott is teasing that it's in a different role.  Speculation is that he'll own the Bugle or something.  No more Parker Industries billionaire Peter Parker, though.

I still would really like to know how the hell they are going to get Steve Rogers back as a good guy after all this Secret Empire shit.  I would love it if they had the balls to keep him as a villain.

Been checking out secret empire and WTF  :lol

Hydra Cap is pretty awesome and a huge piece of shit.

Also even with this fucking shitshow happening they will never live down Hank slapping Janet  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


The other thing that seems to be happening (unless it's some kind of comic book swerve and these guys are from elsewhere) is that characters from the Ultimate universe are coming back.  That universe was destroyed/combined with the 616 universe in Secret Wars, with only Miles and his family/friends seemingly surviving.  But now there's a group of Ultimates popping up (in Ultimates, IIRC, lolol), Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine's son) in X-Men Blue, and another Steve Rogers in Secret Empire, wandering around a forest wondering what's going on.  LMAO (and fuck off, Marvel) if they're just going to have Hydra-Cap die or stay full villain and have Ultimate Cap just replace him.  There also may be Ultimate Thor back, but this other Thor is being referred to as "War Thor" and seems to be a different character.



hmmm this could explain it but we'll see.

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It's hard to tell if there's another Captain America now.  It may just be that the scenes with the other Steve are all playing out in Steve's head.  He's met up with two guys that appear to be similar in appearance to Rick Jones and Sam Wilson, and the the Red Skull popped up at the end of the last Secret Empire issue.  But if it is Ultimate Cap...then it's gonna be incredibly easy to bring back him as a superhero.

I thought the other guy was Bucky but was thinking a similar scenario (That Steve not remembering his calling might just be his good persona still existing or whatever) until i saw you post about more Ultimate universe heroes appearing.

That Red Skull appearance might hint more at the former though since it seems awfully convenient for him to appear plus i would assume he would know which rogers hes trying to get revenge on.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 18, 2017, 09:08:36 AM
Fantastic Four Legacy would be the panels from above with Reed and Sue photoshopped out.
:neogaf

I thought the other guy was Bucky but was thinking a similar scenario (That Steve not remembering his calling might just be his good persona still existing or whatever) until i saw you post about more Ultimate universe heroes appearing.

That Red Skull appearance might hint more at the former though since it seems awfully convenient for him to appear plus i would assume he would know which rogers hes trying to get revenge on.

Ah, yeah, it could be Bucky too.  Him and Rick are interchangeable sometimes.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 19, 2017, 03:40:48 AM
Superman #27 was patriotic/jingoistic as fuck (depending on your point of view) but I still had a dumb smile on my face the whole time. Gleason and Tomasi just nail these characters so well.

(http://i.imgur.com/pJdvFWcl.png)

You can also tell how much fun they have writing Clark and Lois as a strong, loving couple. The five years the New 52 stole from this relationship were so hard, I can't imagine how pre-OMD Spider-Man fans handle it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 19, 2017, 05:42:28 PM
Been checking out secret empire and WTF  :lol

Hydra Cap is pretty awesome and a huge piece of shit.

Also even with this fucking shitshow happening they will never live down Hank slapping Janet  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


The other thing that seems to be happening (unless it's some kind of comic book swerve and these guys are from elsewhere) is that characters from the Ultimate universe are coming back.  That universe was destroyed/combined with the 616 universe in Secret Wars, with only Miles and his family/friends seemingly surviving.  But now there's a group of Ultimates popping up (in Ultimates, IIRC, lolol), Jimmy Hudson (Ultimate Wolverine's son) in X-Men Blue, and another Steve Rogers in Secret Empire, wandering around a forest wondering what's going on.  LMAO (and fuck off, Marvel) if they're just going to have Hydra-Cap die or stay full villain and have Ultimate Cap just replace him.  There also may be Ultimate Thor back, but this other Thor is being referred to as "War Thor" and seems to be a different character.



hmmm this could explain it but we'll see.

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petes punched a pregnant mj and thats already been forgotten. tony could shoot pepper and that shit would be forgotten by the next event. its been decades, and you still have characters talking about the slap somehow despite all the retcons and retools.

Hasn't Reed smacked Sue a few times as well.?


Edit
Dark Days the Casting:  WHAT IN THE FLYING FUCK DID I JUST READ?? its not like Secret empire WTF lol just a straight up wtf

 :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown :mindblown

 So now every meta human in DC has this nth metal in them all along and that's what the name metahuman is actually referencing also there is some evil batman with his own bat family.

 :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 20, 2017, 09:29:32 PM
also there is some evil batman with his own bat family.

 :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon :comeon

What!?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2017, 09:49:17 PM
I don't know what you're talking about on the latter point?

All it does is set up "Bats vs. Birds" (which is super dumb) and that bats are supposedly an evil symbol or something (DUN DUN DUN!!!) I guess the main baddie of the "Dark Multiverse" might be some kind of bat-demon?

Who's "Evil Batman?" Other than Bruce kinda being a dick in the issue lol.

"Bruce, don't trade this sword for anything. You'll need it in the coming war or whatever."

"OK Wonder Woman, sounds great. <three panels later> Hey Talia, wanna trade your metal for my fancy new sword?"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2017, 01:02:49 AM
i think he's talking about the guy at the end

but they're "evil batmen family" because Bruce is the one who tampered with the metals (which...look, I know you're Batman and all, but if there's one dude who you should listen to, it's fucking Scott Free)

the metals who just happen to represent and are related to the powers of other beings in the DC Universe

i mean, i could re-read them again and edit this, but i think the diary plus the Joker explain that by Bruce being the one doing it means the Dark Universe will come through as twisted metal (calm down Jaffe) versions of Batman, he's their tether to the DC Universe

that's part of why even the Joker isn't totally happy about it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 21, 2017, 12:42:45 PM
I'm talking that silhouette at the end of the "other batman and his family" in that dimension that looks evil?

Also those Batmen ??? blocked Bruce from seeing this other batman by showing him darkness instead.

We'll see if they aren't but how they are portrayed and the fucking joker of all people not being pleased with these events isn't giving much confidence.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 21, 2017, 01:31:23 PM
Gotcha gotcha. Yeah this event is going to be an insane mess but at least it'll be pretty self-contained with a lot of various one-shots for the Batmen.

Doomsday Clock is the real DC event this year. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 24, 2017, 11:15:34 AM
http://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-has-an-epic-plan-to-save-itself-from-the-comics-apoc-1797174893

Sounds good, and Rebirth has been super encouraging, but we'll see how long they keep with it.

The thing is though, his comment here:

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“DC approached me and said, how would you like to take some of the stuff that you are working on with Sean [Murphy] and do it a new, prestige format? Instead of doing it monthly, why not do it in this format that would allow for it to be a bigger stage, both for Sean artistically, and to package the story in a new way and then allow every subsequent story that I was going to do with Paul Pope, with Afua [Richardson], with Lee Bermejo, be done in this format that really foregrounds the art – different paper size, different cut, the whole thing?

In that way, it seemed obvious and a perfect solution instead of having them work month-to-month on a normal-sized, conventional comic, we could be some of the first people to try driving in this new lane for DC. I’m really, really thrilled about it.”

You can't have your ships-twice-monthly cake and eat it too with a more-than-monthly-format, DC. Getting mixed signals.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on July 26, 2017, 12:30:58 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvKbRIuWFio
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 26, 2017, 07:33:40 AM
Looks like the other Batmen are a group of evil Justice League types who all have a Batman motif.  There also may be a Joker-Batman...?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on July 26, 2017, 10:50:15 AM
 :doge :neogaf The nineties are back..
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 26, 2017, 10:53:37 AM
Which one is Jean Paul Valley?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2017, 10:54:52 AM
Should have called it Dark Knights: Nu Metal.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 26, 2017, 12:22:00 PM
Looks like the other Batmen are a group of evil Justice League types who all have a Batman motif.  There also may be a Joker-Batman...?
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 :holeup

At least its not based on the current bat family but i'm not sure if basing it on league characters is any better :larry

Also did Tom Macfarlane get work again  :lol :lol



Which one is Jean Paul Valley?

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 26, 2017, 12:42:54 PM
Tom Macfarlane

:neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: TVC15 on July 26, 2017, 01:00:34 PM
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1406323144i/22817798._UY436_SS436_.jpg)

Weird Jodorowsky-ied up gangster story with pretty great art. Particularly violent. Not the headiest Jodo, but it's interesting to see his take on more traditional material. Again, great art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 26, 2017, 05:06:29 PM
Tom Macfarlane

:neogaf


 :lol :lol :lol :lol

Was gonna edit but i wont any longer.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 27, 2017, 10:11:10 AM
Savage Dragon #225: THIS IS IT!  THE 100 PAGE 25TH ANNIVERSARY SPECTACULAR AND CONCLUSION TO THE BIG EVENT THAT NOBODY IS READING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This probably won't make too much sense if you haven't read the last...10-15 years of TSD, but lol whatever n' stuff- will try to summarize as briefly as possible.

-Mr. Glum is a little red devil-looking fellow from another dimension who lived with the original Dragon and his family back when his kids were little.  He was kind of a joke character, but wound up actually being a planet-conquering tyrant. 

-Angel is Malcolm Dragon's step sister.  She came from the original earth with Dragon and Malcolm after her mom was killed (except no, not really) on the original earth.  There was also an Angel on the new earth who became evil and started living with Mr. Glum.  She was killed off later on.  Oh, and Angel had a three way with Malcolm and his wife, got pregnant, and now they raise her kid.  Because Larsen is a horny bugger. 

-Damien Darklord is another tyrant-kind of villain and conquered multiple earths, making them into "utopias," although he still did lots of bad shit.  He was responsible for making O.G. Dragon's wife disappear and is part of the reason why the other earth blew up, IIRC.

So onto the current story: Mr. Glum misses having Angel like him, so he finds Darklord's stronghold and comes up with a plan to merge all the various alternate realities together, thinking it will merge Angel with a version of herself in love with him.  This makes everyone get memories from other versions of themselves, remembering having relationships with people they never had, murdering family/friends, etc.  Darklord finds this out and gets pissed, goes to Earth and fucks everyone up, and blames the Dragons.  Then he finds out it was Glum and they battle briefly.  Glum tells Angel he did it for her, but she hates him for being a scummy little dictator piece of shit, so he pulls out a gun and seemingly kills himself.  Meanwhile, O.G. Dragon (who apparently is now named "Paul."  PAUL DRAGON!) drinks a vial of his son's blood, which restores his powers and beats the shit out of Darklord, finally stopping him.  But Malcolm's blood is too much for people to handle, so he explodes and then is shown going to heaven, where a group of nubile women are waiting for him.  Um...OK.  Meanwhile, Mr. Glum is shown to actually be alive and back on his home planet.  He cuts open the stomach of a dead Jennifer Dragon (Forgot to mention her- this is PAUL Dragon's formerly presumed dead wife who was actually kept in cryo for 17 years.  Anyway, is this a clone?  Alternate reality Jennifer?  Who knows!  Can't remember!) , takes out an alive baby Angel, and walks off saying he'll have a relationship with her.  Um...OK...?

And what's next?  DONALD TRUMP.  Trump will pop up in the next issue, make 'Murica hate Malcolm Dragon for being an Alien-halfbreed-whatsis, and then he's gonna take his family and move to Canada in #127.  Um...OK?  :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on July 27, 2017, 03:38:21 PM
That Punisher is War Machine thread on neogaf has already turned into a clusterfuck.

- Slayven pretending that War Machine was a major character  ???
- People talking about The Punisher being some weird racist icon  :doge .. I mean, considering how many times The Punisher has obliterated racist groups over the years in the various storylines  :lol

I guess that yeah, the whole Skull Logo is popular with gun nuts Because of  the concept of "vigilante showing no mercy to criminals", but all that merch you see for sales on ebay/flea market is unauthorized third party stuff..

Anyhow, the idea is pure nineties cheese, i'm not sure what Marvel is thinking these days
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 28, 2017, 10:04:23 AM
That Punisher is War Machine thread on neogaf has already turned into a clusterfuck.

- Slayven pretending that War Machine was a major character  ???
- People talking about The Punisher being some weird racist icon  :doge .. I mean, considering how many times The Punisher has obliterated racist groups over the years in the various storylines  :lol

I guess that yeah, the whole Skull Logo is popular with gun nuts Because of  the concept of "vigilante showing no mercy to criminals", but all that merch you see for sales on ebay/flea market is unauthorized third party stuff..

Anyhow, the idea is pure nineties cheese, i'm not sure what Marvel is thinking these days

They took it right from an early 90s What If comic!  (http://marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Frank_Castle_(Earth-28918)) :lol  Which reminds me...that What If comic was a two parter and was about an evil Steve Rogers becoming president of the U.S. and taking over with a Nazi-like regime (it was actually the Red Skull with a face change), who was then opposed by a set of Avengers formed by the real Captain America.  So it's like they took this concept and turned it into Secret Empire, with some obvious changes.  :lol :-\

Marvel needs to A) stop with the dumb crossover "WORLD SHATTERING EVENT" stuff where it's just superheroes fighting each other (time to build up the villains, guys) and B) also quit it with the 'Social Justice Warrior' crap dictating how certain characters are depicted or who they get to write the books with.  Then there's C) which is to accept that fans like the X-Men and attempts to replace them aren't going to work.  Deal with it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 29, 2017, 01:39:40 PM
Is Titans 2016 worth a damn? I'm thinking of skipping it, catching up on Batman / Detective instead.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2017, 02:05:04 PM
Is Titans 2016 worth a damn? I'm thinking of skipping it, catching up on Batman / Detective instead.

The art puts me off and I haven't kept up with it. I would suggest Detective if you're hard up for time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 29, 2017, 03:28:21 PM
Is Titans 2016 worth a damn? I'm thinking of skipping it, catching up on Batman / Detective instead.

The art puts me off and I haven't kept up with it. I would suggest Detective if you're hard up for time.

I've been trying to catch up on everything good before The Button, but haven't found much that comes close to Supes / Action / Batman / Detective. Maybe Super Sons I guess.

What about Trinity / Justice League?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2017, 03:46:25 PM
Dunno, my backlog has gotten pretty big since Rebirth hit. Basically only kept up with Detective and Superman. :goty
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 30, 2017, 02:03:31 PM
I really don't like whatever it is that makes the faces in Batman Rebirth look CGI. It's incredibly off putting. I think I saw the same thing in Secret Wars at some point.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2017, 12:18:51 AM
Justice League is all over the place because it's Hitch. It's nowhere near as cohesive as when Johns was writing it during New 52. And it's barely barely even keeping up with what's going on in the other books.

#15-20 was the only good storyline out of it so far (and he actually fucked up by not making the Flash-centric storyline after it come before it and tie them together rather than standalone), and it ties into stuff from a number of books before (back in New 52 even) and is part of a setup for stuff forward that will eventually be BIG DC REBIRTH REVEAL related. The Infinity Corporation, Infinity Stones, Legion of Super Heroes, etc.

The spin-off book Justice League of America (featuring American heroes Vixen and Lobo...wait) has been better if a little still hashing itself out. Actual characters for the most part, lower scale threats/action. The idea being a Justice League that humans can relate to since like most of the other JL are gods and all and also characters Batman sees redemptive qualities in aka reasons to stick them all somewhere rather than forget they exist. (Again, ignore Lobo please.)

Arguably the worst part of Hitch's run so far has been his refusal to make Batman not be an illogical jerkass to the neo-Superman guy even though THEY'VE MADE UP ALREADY, AND IN THE SAME BOOK. And now they've merged and all that but Batman's still like I DON'T KNOW YOU, EXCEPT FOR EVERYTHING BEING THE SAME EXCEPT YOU'RE OLDER, BTW DO YOU HAVE ANY SPACE/GOD METAL I CAN IMMEDIATELY TURN OVER TO A GLOBAL TERRORIST ORGANIZATION INTENT ON WIPING OUT HUMANITY?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on August 02, 2017, 03:32:22 PM
http://www.comicsbeat.com/tilting-at-windmills-261-marvel-comics-and-the-deck-chairs-of-the-titanic/

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Right now “fancy” covers are trying to cover a multitude of underlying problems with the actual core product.  This is not the first time such a thing has been tried, and I still have vivid memories of the last time when the entire market almost collapsed when the customers woke up one day and said “this is shit, we don’t want this any more”.  I wish I can remember who it was, but I remember talking to a retailer who told me they had built a literal chair out of the leftover copies of “Adventures of Superman #500” they had; with similar stories about just how many unsold and unsalable copies of “Turok” #1 were left over.  Those who don’t know their history are doomed to repeat it, and while I’m hopefully we’ve wised up as a class to not fall down that same rabbit hole again, when I see Marvel’s August plans, added to DC’s August books with foil covers (three), Lenticulars (two) and even a glow-in-the-dark cover I think “Damn, we’re there again, where greed and glitz has overwhelmed common sense.”  That time of the crash and the few years after it was dire for comics, and this time is likely to be significantly worse, as we don’t have a core of books selling at 100k or more to keep things propped up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: TVC15 on August 02, 2017, 03:48:04 PM
I used to love the Savage Dragon back when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 02, 2017, 04:20:58 PM
Didn't he recently have a threesome with his sister or some shit?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: TVC15 on August 02, 2017, 04:22:14 PM
Didn't he recently have a threesome with his sister or some shit?

Trying to reel me back in?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 02, 2017, 05:08:18 PM
Yeah, it was a thing for a little while there.  It was like Erik Larsen just turned into a dirty old man.

(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/d5-600x429.png)


(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/sd3-600x302.png)

-Threesome with Angel, his step-sister (more than once)
-Angel has a baby and gives it to Dragon and Maxine to raise
-Tierra (the black chick), gets them to have a foursome, secretly films it, gets pregnant, refuses to abort, tries to sell the tape and fails, and then the baby bursts from her stomach, killing her and skulking off.
-Sometimes there was super-heroing going on!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 02, 2017, 05:47:34 PM
I've seen some minor Twitter drama about the latest Superman #28. Basically Clark tells his son about the Vietnam War from an American perspective.

I'm just sitting here like... yeah? Clark's American. He stands for "truth, justice, and the American way."™

Certainly there's been a handful of times he's spoken out against the US, and he is a global figure (both in our world and his), but I don't see much wrong with giving a textbook American history lesson to an American kid. :yeshrug

Edit- Double checked and it's just a mention of American casualties in Vietnam. That's it. 🙄
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2017, 05:51:20 PM
There was a rumor that some of DC's recent cover glut is related to the contracts they have with artists where they "hold" onto them by having them do covers since they don't have a book to work on, whereas if they don't have work for them they're allowed to work with other companies. So they tell them to make a bunch of covers. The Batman ones are basically interchangeable and could be put on literally any of the books as only the main covers are ever related to what's inside. I think one of the recent Justice League ones didn't even have an accurate roster.

Obviously this only applies to the variants, not all the embossed crap and other magic the 1990s produced and is returning like everything else from the 1990s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 02, 2017, 05:52:52 PM
Wouldn't surprise me.

Though it would be super weird for DC to have artists with nothing to do since they're double-shipping life half their line and always seem to be switching out artists on the fly to get them out on time. :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 02, 2017, 06:00:16 PM
Might have a number of those fill-in artists sitting around doing covers until they realize Batman needs someone to do two issues or something. Or they might have signed up more artists than they needed due to fearing that, and wound up with a pile of a hundred covers they now contractually have to get rid of.

The tier system of orders might even be a way to avoid having to print most of them until they stick them in the back of the TPB's. "Oh man, preorders didn't come in for enough, sorry [artist]." :patel
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 04, 2017, 02:11:52 AM
Yeah, it was a thing for a little while there.  It was like Erik Larsen just turned into a dirty old man.

(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/d5-600x429.png)


(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/sd3-600x302.png)

-Threesome with Angel, his step-sister (more than once)
-Angel has a baby and gives it to Dragon and Maxine to raise
-Tierra (the black chick), gets them to have a foursome, secretly films it, gets pregnant, refuses to abort, tries to sell the tape and fails, and then the baby bursts from her stomach, killing her and skulking off.
-Sometimes there was super-heroing going on!

(https://media.giphy.com/media/SDxzM5LAVq5Tq/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 04, 2017, 08:01:18 AM
one thing led to another and not only did I re-read 52* but now I'm reading Alan Moore's Swamp Thing run partly because I never read the whole thing which introduces Constaintine

i still say those sex pages are nonsensical trash that much like Watchmen people only rave about because nobody had done it before

also, I realized some of this is Moore's most obvious "author is from the UK" British Invasion era work, literally four issues are John Constantine sending Swamp Thing on missions to confront regular everyday American ills like the legacy of slavery, the dangers of nuclear power generation and the horrors of unemployment in mining towns :lol

*if i could write any kind of DC comic, it'd be something like this meets Gotham Central (which it sorta did for part), with the multiple, sometimes up to eight, ongoing plot threads, all sorts of random characters being used well, all the major DC characters (except Luthor) being only off-panel, having brief guest appearances or used to show the "tiers" of the people within the universe that come more from the popularity of the books than any actual representation with their powers/capabilities/actions/etc. though i'd probably use the main DC characters more simply to setup events and repercussions and require it to be its own universe

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also following the Crime Bible stuff into the Rucka 52 follow-up miniseries I had never read, led me back to Final Crisis for its conclusion and ultimately Morrison's suggested reading order is sorta wrong because it only includes his books...not only should Legion of Three Worlds probably be included, but Revelations needs to be and it's a shame DC will never collect them this way, even the Absolute volume doesn't collect Morrison's order which leaves the Batman plot hole

Revelations takes place entirely during "The Day Evil Won" and Darkseid triumphed, and involves Vandal Savage's return to his original status as Cain with the Spear of Destiny (this all makes sense in the context of being the endpoint of the Crime Bible/Renee Montoya story that starts in 52 along with the Batwoman and Huntress stories he did earlier), and also leaves the Spectre (who once rebooted the universe and is powered by God) powerless because the Christian God (The Prescience) has abandoned the universe because the ultimate battle of the Multiverse (Final Crisis) is also the decision point of free will, not good vs. evil (which fixes one of Morrison's rushed points about Darkseid as a literal god, not a mere supervillian, he's not "evil" truly)

the best part is Rucka puts all this recap setup in one issue: Darkseid has won, anti-life is everywhere, Cain has risen, he has claimed the Spectre's power and enslaved him by stabbing him with the Spear of Destiny, oh btw, he did this because God's totally bailed out, you're all on your own...and Renee Montoya, a formerly alcoholic disgraced cop, has to somehow take the Spear from the immortal who now has made his power near infinite or the Batman Gambit happening over in Final Crisis won't even matter and the only help she really has is the Huntress who is so religious she's also been broken emotionally by the abandonment of God and she already had enough issues with being a consistent hero

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and their "plan" works
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Huntress gets brutally stabbed to death by an anti-life possessed Catwoman while Cain impales Renee on the Spear
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on August 04, 2017, 04:21:40 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvKbRIuWFio

just quoting for this new page because it's actually really really well done
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on August 05, 2017, 12:39:15 PM
I'm pretty close to catching up on most of the DC stuff I care about and I'm currently going through All Star Batman.

The super stylized / simplistic art in the Cursed Wheel bits at the end of each All Star Batman is 20x more appealing than whatever's being done in Batman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on August 06, 2017, 12:50:00 PM
Superman is consistently 10/10. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 06, 2017, 01:41:58 PM
Superman is consistently 10/10.

Preach.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 10, 2017, 05:58:00 PM
After doing some more reading and going over The Watchmen i'm now hyped for Doomsday Clock.

 :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2017, 06:09:36 PM
After doing some more reading and going over The Watchmen i'm now hyped for Doomsday Clock.

 :rejoice

The comic, or IRL?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2017, 06:11:26 PM
Imagine if the release of Doomsday Clock coincided with the actual doomsday clock hitting midnight... :ohhh

Geoff Johns the god :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 10, 2017, 09:47:56 PM
After doing some more reading and going over The Watchmen i'm now hyped for Doomsday Clock.

 :rejoice

The comic, or IRL?

Comic for now  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 10, 2017, 10:02:44 PM
Marvel musings:

Amazing Spider-Man #31: The end of Parker Industries.  You'd think it was the Superior Octopus that took them down, but nope:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
It was Spider-Man himself.  Ock was going to seize control of all their data, so Peter issues a contingency plan he made that gets all the staff to erase everything and upload a virus that kills anything PI-related.  This is a tie-in to Secret Empire (although it takes place in China, so no real Hydra presence), and at the end, we see Ock reporting back to Hydra, who congratulate him on PI being no more.
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  Next issue looks to be more Norman Osborne stuff...I'm just waiting to see what happens with Peter and the Daily Bugle. 

Captain America #25: No more Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers books- it's just one single comic now.  Sam Wilson is Captain America again and a big reveal is that
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Namor found Bucky, assumed to be killed
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at the beginning of Secret Empire.  And he has a plan to take down Steve.

Secret Wars #8: Another "FINALLY, SHIT IS HAPPENING" issue.  We see the shield around the earth come down so the heroes in space can join the fight.  The dark force shield over NYC is removed.  More heroes come together to go kick Steve's ass, basically.  And then we get something incredibly stupid- a new Inhuman called Barf who can think of objects and then vomit them up.  So they have him vomit up a cosmic cube fragment.  :lol :dizzy 

I still am not big on Secret EMPIRE.  This really should have been a year or even multi-year long event, kind of like Dark Reign, with books focusing on the various characters dealing with a Hydra-controlled USA.  They should have taken their time with this one.  But whatever; Marvel is already moving on as usual...Generations comics are already coming out.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 11, 2017, 11:20:36 AM
Marvel musings:

Amazing Spider-Man #31: The end of Parker Industries.  You'd think it was the Superior Octopus that took them down, but nope:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
It was Spider-Man himself.  Ock was going to seize control of all their data, so Peter issues a contingency plan he made that gets all the staff to erase everything and upload a virus that kills anything PI-related.  This is a tie-in to Secret Empire (although it takes place in China, so no real Hydra presence), and at the end, we see Ock reporting back to Hydra, who congratulate him on PI being no more.
[close]
  Next issue looks to be more Norman Osborne stuff...I'm just waiting to see what happens with Peter and the Daily Bugle. 

Captain America #25: No more Sam Wilson and Steve Rogers books- it's just one single comic now.  Sam Wilson is Captain America again and a big reveal is that
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Namor found Bucky, assumed to be killed
[close]
at the beginning of Secret Empire.  And he has a plan to take down Steve.

Secret Wars #8: Another "FINALLY, SHIT IS HAPPENING" issue.  We see the shield around the earth come down so the heroes in space can join the fight.  The dark force shield over NYC is removed.  More heroes come together to go kick Steve's ass, basically.  And then we get something incredibly stupid- a new Inhuman called Barf who can think of objects and then vomit them up.  So they have him vomit up a cosmic cube fragment.  :lol :dizzy 

I still am not big on Secret Wars.  This really should have been a year or even multi-year long event, kind of like Dark Reign, with books focusing on the various characters dealing with a Hydra-controlled USA.  They should have taken their time with this one.  But whatever; Marvel is already moving on as usual...Generations comics are already coming out.

You mean Secret Empire.  :doge

Still sounds like crazy stuff (in the bad way).

I wonder how's that gonna feel or look when the guy who had a multi-billion dollar operation in the public's eyes (iirc we know doc ock falsified it but still) is back to beg for his old job back  :lol :lol :lol :lol :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2017, 05:42:35 AM
Some non-Metal DC stuff:
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We always knew Grant would be doing Wonder Woman: Earth One Vol. 2. That’s been in production now for about six to eight months with Yanick. They’ve got about 40 to 50 pages of art done.
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But Arkham Asylum 2 is something Grant’s been talking to us about for a while. It’s a story he’s been wanting to tell. He never thought he would, but he finally felt he got the right spin for it. It really is more of an extension of his Batman run. It’s not something that stands apart from the line — it actually makes sense if you follow the continuity he was creating with Batman and Damian back to #666.
but are they going to let him do The Multiversity Too?!? that's what i want

Also, from the former writer of Nightwing:
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he upcoming alternate universe mini series Nightwing: The New Order intends to do. Taking place in an alternative future, the story pits Dick Grayson against the super heroic community as the spearhead of an initiative to make metahuman abilities illegal, despite the potentially disastrous cost.
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It takes place in the year 2040

So, at a certain point — and I don’t want to spoil too much — but Dick, during a big battle, made a decision and detonated a device the neutralized 90% of the world’s superpowers. He did this to save the world in that moment. Afterwards, though…that’s a slippery slope. Powers became illegal in the United States, so if you were in that 10% that still hand them, you had to register and go on inhibitor meds. And if the inhibitor meds didn’t work — super rare, but still could happen — you were put into stasis, until the doctors could figure out how to counteract the powers. So, again, very, very slippery slope.

DiDio and Lee confirmed that the recent reshuffle of Mark Doyle (he's been the top editor of everything Batman related since around Zero Year) was to rebuild the Vertigo line, which had kinda fallen apart since they imported a bunch of those writers into the main DC books like Snyder and others came to an end while New 52 was going on, and they expect a lot of new stuff to be announced in 2018. Was getting kinda ugh about all the non-cape books seemingly all coming from Image anymore. DC rebuilding Vertigo will help a lot with that since they can take more risk. I mean, don't get me wrong, Image's model is great and needed and everything, but they also can't crack the whip on someone deciding to put a title on TBD status, maybe forever, because Trump won and they don't want to write for a country that could do that. (Unless it's their dream book that this one certainly had no similarities to and that they're now writing dual plotlines in for its twice monthly publication.) Vertigo might ask them to at least complete the current story arc before a hiatus.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2017, 05:49:40 AM
http://www.cbr.com/x-men-captions-mean-to-x-men/  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2017, 06:04:13 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/w0oOgSv.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 12, 2017, 02:21:27 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/w0oOgSv.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/ty9TlLc.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 14, 2017, 11:20:47 AM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/14/dark-nights-metal-1-watchmen-final-page-spoilers/

"Literally everything is the DC Universe now"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 14, 2017, 03:43:52 PM
:confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2017, 05:28:41 PM
I don't understand that blog post. What's the spoiler? What's the weird thing?

Dream has always been part of the DC Universe. He was in JLA when Morrison wrote it. Like half of The Sandman series takes place in the normal DCU. The ending arc especially. One of the main storylines was the impact of The Endless on the DCU, especially Dream's captivity.

The only thing is that Neil Gaiman has a magic special ownership of the character which means he can't be used without permission. Morrison got it, somebody else did for a one-off story, Gaiman's used him in his own regular DCU stories, now Snyder apparently has gotten permission.

edit: Comments annihilate the author for not knowing the background of Daniel :lol

Also:
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metroid_fetish • 6 hours ago
I haven't been this excited about anything since that time I took 4 Tylenol PMs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 14, 2017, 05:39:42 PM
Sandman stuff in the DCU has been tenuous/nonexistent since the New 52 though. It's not as shocking as Watchman stuff for sure but it's still a bit surprising, especially for such a huge event.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2017, 05:45:02 PM
the New 52
i don't know her
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 14, 2017, 05:50:43 PM
I don't understand that blog post. What's the spoiler? What's the weird thing?

Dream has always been part of the DC Universe. He was in JLA when Morrison wrote it. Like half of The Sandman series takes place in the normal DCU. The ending arc especially. One of the main storylines was the impact of The Endless on the DCU, especially Dream's captivity.

The only thing is that Neil Gaiman has a magic special ownership of the character which means he can't be used without permission. Morrison got it, somebody else did for a one-off story, Gaiman's used him in his own regular DCU stories, now Snyder apparently has gotten permission.

edit: Comments annihilate the author for not knowing the background of Daniel :lol

Also:
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metroid_fetish • 6 hours ago
I haven't been this excited about anything since that time I took 4 Tylenol PMs.

Thanks for this; I read and re-read the article and was still trying to find out the "reveal" in there. I wasn't, however, willing to read the Comments Section, so extra thanks for taking that hit for your fellow boritos.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 14, 2017, 05:56:09 PM
the New 52
i don't know her

You will be made to remember.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2017, 06:01:50 PM
i actually was going to read a bunch of New 52 series that i never touched now that the series are all over, like i completely ignored all the Green Lantern and Green Arrow books during it, and forgot to keep up with Aquaman though i think Johns left it, same thing with Flash and Titans

i was basically down to only reading JL, most Batman Family, Superman, and Wonder Woman by the time it was coming down the pike...and Earth 2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on August 14, 2017, 07:12:13 PM
I'm probably about to go back and read New 52 JL and Grayson once I've caught up on Action Comics post Rebirth.

Is Supes worth the trouble? I'd heard bad things about New 52 Superman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 15, 2017, 12:55:55 AM
New 52 Superman is kinda messed up because Morrison was writing Superman's adventures "five years ago", while the other writers were supposed to be writing current Superman adventures, only they couldn't know what Morrison was doing in terms of background/relationships/etc. and Justice League ignores most everything and vice versa.

the crossovers are actually pretty bad too, He'l on Earth, Doomed, everything involving Lois and Braniac, etc. are all kinda blech imo, and a lot of stuff gets built up and forgotten about as the creative teams kept changing unlike say Batman which kept Snyder for the entire 52 issues.

I guess I'd read Morrison's run on Action Comics maybe and that's it, it's a Morrison self-loop story and it references his other stuff like All-Star Superman and plays around like he does. Then maybe jump ahead to when the older Superman and Lois pop-up since it sets up what happens after Rebirth.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 15, 2017, 01:00:56 AM
New 52 Superman was a mistake to be redeemed by Post-Crisis Supes. All throughout the New 52, despite not hating the actual "brand," I was basically #NotMySuperman.

Then my Superman came back with a family and all was right with the world. :rejoice

If only we could get pre-New 52 Tim Drake back. :goty2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2017, 07:56:20 AM
the ads are in this weeks issues so not really any spoiler but they're going to finally reveal who mr. oz is in action

while tim drake can't wait for that and launches his own escape plan in detective
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2017, 08:27:44 AM
first issue of metal i actually really liked, not sure why they titled the first two issues differently, they'll have to include them in the collected editions anyway

they even used morrison's multiversity map in universe :heart

and then he tied the whole plot into Morrison's Batman run, specifically when Batman was hopping through time that Morrison had hooked onto a story from the 1990s, and that Snyder has now hooked onto his whole tale about Gotham and why the Court of Owls cared so much about the Waynes, and why both Morrison and he spent so much time on what's under Gotham :lawd

so much continuity porn :rejoice

too bad Snyder hasn't shown he can write a story that can handle all this into a non-big-punch-fest-finish epic like Morrison, so withhold full-on canon nut busting until further notice :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 16, 2017, 10:03:33 AM
the ads are in this weeks issues so not really any spoiler but they're going to finally reveal who mr. oz is in action

while tim drake can't wait for that and launches his own escape plan in detective

Yeah saw these in the latest Superman. HYPED :lawd

(Speaking of, the latest Superman was kinda crazy lol.)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
"SUPER PARALLAX" vs. Sinestro next issue!! :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on August 16, 2017, 07:25:12 PM
Glad I caught up on Action and Tec. Both improved over the course of their post Rebirth runs and seem to be typing into things nicely.

Liked Metal #1 a lot, but I need to go through a reread of the Crises.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 18, 2017, 01:15:12 AM
Southern Bastards - This is way too decompressed and the art doesn't help the flashbacks connect easily. But there's a nugget here that was dropped at the start of the first arc and finally seems to be coming to a head. The football part is oddly the least believable part of this.

Wayward - I liked this and then it got silly, well, sillier, plus it's another of those books that takes random months or more off.

Speaking of which I caught up on Saga and man, I dunno with this anymore.

Annihilation - lol at this taking place while Civil War happened, makes that look even worse in retrospect. And Planet Hulk. And after House of M. Not even Thanos killed that many people in a single event. Speaking of which, he was great in this, so was Drax.

Manifest Destiny is potentially next although I know nothing about it going in.

What of Ultimate Marvel is mostly readable straight through, Ultimate X-Men, The Ultimates? Like if I started reading the TPB's of X-Men is there say less than one or two crossovers I have to bring in. I know at some point Ultimatum comes along and they smash up all the books and restart some or most of them at #1. But before that? I'm not sure what the deal with The Ultimates is honestly what with its numbering, just know it's basically the Avengers stand-in.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 18, 2017, 08:58:04 AM
IIRC The Ultimates was kind of done in "seasons," so you have Ultimates, Ultimates II, Ultimates III, etc.

I didn't read much of the Ultimate line until after all the Ultimatum stuff.  The one most people recommend is Ultimate Spider-Man.   

Speaking of which:

Spider-Men II #2: WHO IS THE OTHER MILES MORALES?  WE STILL DON'T KNOW BECAUSE LOL BENDIS!  Like...stuff happens, but at the same time, it feels like nothing has happened after two issues.  Even though this is a team-up book, most of it just feels like (Miles') Spider-Man book, with him at school doin' thangs with his buddy Ganke.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 20, 2017, 12:29:37 AM
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/597035573/barry-and-joe-the-animated-series-pilot

Hat tip to Benjipwns
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 30, 2017, 11:47:15 PM
Secret Empire 10: Doesn't even need spoilers when Marvel themselves leaked it.  Also it was lazy and dumb.  All the heroes attack cosmic cube powered Captain America and he wipes them out of existence and changes reality.  He wins...for like five seconds.  Then Sam Wilson shows upx gives him the last cube fragment to make it whole, and surprise!  Ant Man was on it with Bucky. Bucky goes into the cube and pulls out Kobik, now whole, who also brings with her good guy Cap, who is supposed to be a memory fragment, but hey cosmic godlike power and all that.  Cap then fights himself and kicks his own ass, reality is restored and the changed history is erased, shit is pretty much back to normal, however Las Vegas is still a crater and Rick Jones and Black Widow may or may not be dead.  But basically just about nothing that happened mattered at all.

This was the most pointless and stupid event yet.

There's one more thing and that is Hydra Cap is still there.  Secret Empire Omega is coming soon and I assume it will deal with him.

 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2017, 12:16:56 AM
All the heroes attack cosmic cube powered Captain America and he wipes them out of existence and changes reality.  He wins...for like five seconds.  .... reality is restored and the changed history is erased, shit is pretty much back to normal
This is Infinity Gauntlet's battle and plot pretty much. Only they only needed four issues. :lol

I re-read that recently and realized that I hope they actually keep Thanos's actions close to that story in the film.

He turns off his god powers so that his fight with the heroes is more interesting, still curbstomps them all. Then when it seems like they're going to defeat him he suddenly goes "wait, this is stupid" and immediately reactivates his God powers and ends it. Then becomes so powerful and beyond Cosmic Marvel that he forgets about his physical body and essentially gets pickpocketed by Nebula who reverses his whole elimination of half the population of the universe thing. (Which resets the one thing they had to reset.) And the culmination to the whole story is that he's rewarded essentially for becoming God.

It's the one thing about the comic book films finally reaching this point that I've been actually kinda, not upset, but sad sorta, that Thanos and Darkseid are not going to get the portrayals that show why their character (because we can be honest and admit they're the same character) is great and more interesting than this ultimate powerful evil. But I assume Marvel won't dare use Thanos in that way, especially considering how they've to this point treated Asgard; and I certainly can't imagine Warner will let Darkseid be a literal God. Both characters having an interest that transcends "evil" as we use it so often.

The animated version in Justice League: War was really disappointing after they adapted this moment so well earlier:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE5RXhPwlKc

I also totally don't care if they completely rip this off in some way for Justice League 2 with Batfleck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 31, 2017, 12:35:59 AM
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Alexandru DG
Alexandru DG
2 years ago (edited)
I don't see how people can't realize that Darkseid wasn't playin' around at all. Do you see that guy becoming upset the instant he's like: You dare ?! ... YOU DARE ?! And he slams his fist against Batman, sending him through a pillar. Dude, Darkseid wasn't anywhere near in "holding" back. Darkseid went completely bollistic against Batman. And yeah, Batman have have hit his back first through the pillar. But how does that make his head not stop against hitting the ground ? Second more. How did that hit not crush the inner organs of Batman ? The armor may be strong, but it could not certainly be stronger than Darkseid's power. Please spare me the bullshit and think for a second here. If something like a force of a train hits your chest while you wear a powerful armor, do you really think you'd survive ? NO! The armor may be able to take the hit, but YOU are still vulnerable to the IMPACT. Plus, you then get grabbed and SLAMMED through a wall... Entire body wise. Without head protection. How do you expect to survive that man ? o_O Really you batman fans need to get your shit together. The hits Darkseid dealt here to Batman should've killed him. If you don't believe me, put on an armor, without head protection and stand in front of a train rail and wait for a train to hit you. Let's see how you survive that. I'd really love to be there with pop corn. Oh and also. When scrubs like you don't realize that what Darkseid says about Batman "killing his own kind" he doesn't speak about Batman's morality. Darkseid speaks of the perspective of all humans that they would kill to win battles. And it's so spot on true.
:badass
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 31, 2017, 08:02:46 AM
All the heroes attack cosmic cube powered Captain America and he wipes them out of existence and changes reality.  He wins...for like five seconds.  .... reality is restored and the changed history is erased, shit is pretty much back to normal
This is Infinity Gauntlet's battle and plot pretty much. Only they only needed four issues. :lol

They even show how they're ripping off Infinite Gauntlet, with a panel right from that comic when Captain America confronts Thanos.  The same thing happens with Sam Wilson confronting Steve Rogers, lol. 

Also in a nice little continuity fuck-up, Las Vegas is destroyed...except it's the setting of the on-going Ben Reilly Scarlet Spider book.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 02:52:32 PM
Batman - Dark Victory - Jeph Loeb & Tim Sale's sequel to The Long Halloween. I enjoyed the mystery, the super stylistic art (that Joker chin), the interesting portrayal of Two-Face and the mix of mafia/supervillians/serial killer like Long Halloween. On the downside story didn't seem as good as TLH, and the Robin stuff felt a little thrown in. Glad I read it though, kept me hooked!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 02, 2017, 03:01:40 PM
Yeah, it's not as good as TLH (almost nothing is, really), but it's still really good.

I miss old Jeph Loeb. :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 03:35:39 PM
So now that I've read Year One, The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Akrham Asylum and Hush, any other Batman graphic novels that I should check out? I heard Court of Owls is good?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2017, 04:36:23 PM
Batman Odyssey
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 02, 2017, 05:07:43 PM
Does he go to space?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 02, 2017, 05:59:53 PM
No, it's better than that.

(https://i.imgur.com/9DrntTa.jpg?1)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 02, 2017, 06:30:31 PM
Batman Odyssey is the basially like the Batman '66 version of Frank Miller's All-Star Batman and Robin. Two sides of the same insane coin. :lol

As for good Batman trades, the New 52 ones are all very solid. Zero Year is a little long, Endgame is a bit zany, and Superheavy is fresh if a bit pointless.

The New 52 Batman & Robin series is generally great, with occasionally brilliant moments. My favorite arc was The Big Burn, which I consider a classic.

I'd also recommend Batman Eternal and its shorter sequel, Batman & Robin Eternal. If I was in charge of a new Batman cartoon I'd heavily base it on these. The team dynamics are great and the series juggle multiple plots pretty well.

Batman: Li'l Gotham is one of my favorite series ever. It's good sugar-coated fun. Dustin Nguyen's chibi-pastel art is god-tier.

For older stuff, No Man's Land is pretty good and the tie-ins are generally good too.

If you reeeeaaaaally want to go down a rabbit hole, Batman Incorporated Vol. 1 and 2 are pretty crazy and fun, if impenetrable at parts.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 02, 2017, 09:16:06 PM
Marvel Comics Rumored To Be In Some Serious Trouble (http://www.screengeek.net/2017/09/02/marvel-comics-could-be-in-trouble/)

Surprise surprise, forcing minimum orders on retailers for normal issues to get the lenticulars/specials/etc. is backfiring hard, along with their stupid fucking plotlines and constant, tiring events.

And of course editorial is blaming the diversity push for it all. ::) Come the fuck on, Marvel. Even as a DC fan, you're better than this.

Quote
Legacy is a rush-job. They can’t afford to take the classic characters off the table like that for so long but they also don’t want to piss off the new diverse audience they’ve been trying to court. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too, and please all masters...

They’re bringing back the Ultimate line for the teen heroes. Miles will become Ultimate Spider-Man again. Siri becomes Ultimate Iron Man. X-Men Blue becomes Ultimate X-Men. Champions becomes the Ultimates.

:thinking

Quote
Slott is off Amazing Spider-Man. They’re going to move him over to Friendly Neighborhood; the fear is he would sign exclusive with DC if they took it away from him completely. Plus he struggles with deadlines and there’s less risk with him off to the side. They can’t ignore declining sales anymore and it’s time for a refresh.

Some good news at least?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on September 02, 2017, 10:47:44 PM
I haven't had any interest in Marvel since Secret Wars ended.

I'll go back and read CW2 / SE at some point, but Rebirth hooked me good with DC for my comic fix.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 03, 2017, 11:41:57 PM
Secret Empire 9 and 10

It didn't end with another universe version of Cap, which is alright i guess. Did like that beat down at the end though, especially when he picked up the hammer to knock him the fuck out.

Kinda weird how the status quo is back and not back at the same time (why not get Las Vegas back if they were willing to let Rick Jones live again?) but its nice to at least see Sam getting props as Captain america compared to his books before this.

Should be interesting to see how Hydra Cap is dealt with since hes still there and is wholly separate form real Steve.

 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 05, 2017, 11:39:43 PM
Marvel Comics Rumored To Be In Some Serious Trouble (http://www.screengeek.net/2017/09/02/marvel-comics-could-be-in-trouble/)

Surprise surprise, forcing minimum orders on retailers for normal issues to get the lenticulars/specials/etc. is backfiring hard, along with their stupid fucking plotlines and constant, tiring events.

And of course editorial is blaming the diversity push for it all. ::) Come the fuck on, Marvel. Even as a DC fan, you're better than this.

Quote
Legacy is a rush-job. They can’t afford to take the classic characters off the table like that for so long but they also don’t want to piss off the new diverse audience they’ve been trying to court. They’re trying to have their cake and eat it too, and please all masters...

They’re bringing back the Ultimate line for the teen heroes. Miles will become Ultimate Spider-Man again. Siri becomes Ultimate Iron Man. X-Men Blue becomes Ultimate X-Men. Champions becomes the Ultimates.

:thinking

Quote
Slott is off Amazing Spider-Man. They’re going to move him over to Friendly Neighborhood; the fear is he would sign exclusive with DC if they took it away from him completely. Plus he struggles with deadlines and there’s less risk with him off to the side. They can’t ignore declining sales anymore and it’s time for a refresh.

Some good news at least?

Some interesting things there, but it's all rumor, so who knows.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on September 10, 2017, 12:21:07 PM
I'm reading back through every Crisis and holy shit is 52 good. Why have I never read this before?

Was it not very successful? The long format style of storytelling seems very different than your standard cape stuff, but I'm really enjoying it and am surprised it isn't more prevelant in the age of TWD, Saga, etc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 10, 2017, 06:12:23 PM
I'm reading back through every Crisis and holy shit is 52 good. Why have I never read this before?

Was it not very successful? The long format style of storytelling seems very different than your standard cape stuff, but I'm really enjoying it and am surprised it isn't more prevelant in the age of TWD, Saga, etc

The followed it up with Countdown to Final Crisis, which was just a dumpster fire (although kind of a fun dumpster fire).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on September 10, 2017, 07:08:47 PM
I'm reading back through every Crisis and holy shit is 52 good. Why have I never read this before?

Was it not very successful? The long format style of storytelling seems very different than your standard cape stuff, but I'm really enjoying it and am surprised it isn't more prevelant in the age of TWD, Saga, etc

52 was crazy succesful but was way better coordinated than most later attempts in biweekly stuff. The writting team was spectacular and is telling that only one that keep in good graces with DC was Johns, everyone else ended burned out by DC editorial decisions. Is known that Dan Didio hated the shit of it even when later tried to milk the shit out of 52 and weekly-biweekly experiments.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 10, 2017, 11:38:59 PM
I'm reading back through every Crisis and holy shit is 52 good. Why have I never read this before?

Was it not very successful? The long format style of storytelling seems very different than your standard cape stuff, but I'm really enjoying it and am surprised it isn't more prevelant in the age of TWD, Saga, etc
It went in an entirely different direction than Dan DiDio and DC Editorial had originally planned, the much better lower key but dense way it did. They were expecting a huge crazy story of universe changing battles.

So DiDio did Countdown (to Final Crisis) which he called "52 done right" which was just pages and pages of alternate universes being destroyed and such a mess that Grant Morrison and Geoff Johns had to write DC Universe #0 to basically wipe it from existence before Final Crisis.

New 52 actually had a couple of these series.

There's Batman: Eternal and Batman and Robin: Eternal which are 52 and 26 issues respectively, telling one long story in each.

And then there's the slightly more complicated but more like 52 set of series:
Earth 2 -> Earth 2: World's End -> Earth 2: Society
Future's End

Earth 2's premise is a world where Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman, etc. all died battling Darkseid's invasion and there are no longer any superheroes. Until the series where they start popping up again, this eventually spurs Darkseid's decision to reconquer it which leads to World's End.

Future's End is an alternate ending to World's End (that started before it) where five years from now the population of Earth 2 finds a way to bail out onto the main DC Earth and the resulting problems this causes most namely their incarceration in camps and other discrimination, along with a 25+ year future in which Brother Eye conquers the planet that Terry McGinnis goes back in time to stop.

Nothing is as good as 52 but these, especially Future's End, have more of a focus on other lower-tier DC characters and street level stuff.

52 itself actually has two follow ups that I really like. There's the Booster Gold series where he goes off after the end of 52 to jump across timelines fixing them. (Basically a semi-solo version of Marvel's Exiles.) And the Batwoman plotline was followed into Detective Comics and then Batwoman's own series. (Which got its own mid-plot shitty cancellation.) Renee gets wiped out with New 52 so her 52-based storyline essentially finishes in Rucka's Crime Bible: Five Lessons of Blood and Final Crisis: Revelations.

Working backwards, a series you might like is Gotham Central based around the cops of Gotham including Renee. The events of which are what leave her the drunk she is at the start of 52.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2017, 12:09:31 AM
Your local library silly. Or comic shops.

But if you were to say download a torrent entitled something like "Complete DC Crisis Chronology" or whatever so that you could get the text file for the reading order without ever downloading the rest of the files I'm sure the mods will go easy on you, the feds are a different story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2017, 12:32:44 AM
Actually, I'm reminded that the original major scale long story event that was very unlike standard cape stuff and arguably an innovator (for DC) in ways nobody expected is No Man's Land. Which I do not believe has ever been truly collected in its entirety but the TPB's have most all of it now. (The original TPB's for both it and Knightfall left out over a third of the story. Death/Return of Superman had the same problem.)

Gotham gets hit by an earthquake, it's cut off from the rest of the U.S. The next year of Batman and the tie-in books told a gigantic story about the criminals taking over territory and warring among each other, Batman's return and his and the GCPD's slow reconquering of Gotham, along with the day-to-day problems of lack of resources, temporary alliances (stuff like Killer Croc being the enforcer for a medical camp, Poison Ivy agreeing to provide food in exchange for being left alone, etc.), massive damage to everything, and so on until Luthor comes to the city's "aid" just as The Joker returns which is the crescendo event.

This and not Knightfall/Death of Superman is actually what set off the Batman books into telling regular grand crossover stories (War Games/Crimes is a personal underrated favorite) across the entire family of books. That later Green Lantern, etc. all adopted. The Batman books basically never have stopped doing this for years after.

The story even tries to address things like why doesn't Superman come in and help, by having him come in and try to, only to fail because it's outside the scope of his hero knowledge. (He comes back later as Clark Kent and is much more effective with his knowledge of farming.)

It's also the genesis story of Batman's preparation power. It gets overlooked in this regard, but is stated clearly in a later crossover, maybe War Games, that after No Man's Land caught him by surprise and he was left unable to help Gotham in the early months, Batman decided he would never be caught unprepared again and that started his obsessive drive. It also serves to tie together the whole scope of the Bat-family for the first time really beyond just Alfred, Tim and Dick. (Selina, Barbara, Huntress, Azrael, expanding with Cassandra and Stephanie, etc.)

Somewhere after all this is the story "Officer Down" which involves Jim Gordon getting shot near fatally, this along with the events of No Man's Land is why Gordon is not Commissioner in Gotham Central and in most of the Bat-books for a long time thereafter.

It's also where this comes from:
(http://i.imgur.com/SHDYFL4.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2017, 12:34:24 AM
No Man's Land also leads to Bruce Wayne: Fugitive (which in reality, is way too long and not very good) which also leads to The OMAC Project (which is a better Crisis than Infinite Crisis) which leads to Checkmate's revival. :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2017, 02:43:19 AM
There's Batman: Eternal and Batman and Robin: Eternal which are 52 and 26 issues respectively, telling one long story in each.

As I said in a recent post, these two are fantastic FYI.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2017, 02:44:29 AM
So how does one read DC Comics anyway?

Torrents?

Comixology. :preach

But I'm a DC mega-fan weirdo with an aversion to physical media. So whatevs.

Talk about pirating comics, which already operate on razor-thin margins, doesn't sit well with me at all, though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2017, 03:55:38 AM
Hmm probably between $30 and $40 depending on the month, speaking purely about subscriptions. Sometimes I go on a spree and buy some back issues too though.

The only subs I have locked down right now are Superman, Detective Comics, and Buffy Season 11. The latter two are bi-monthly and $3 an issue, Buffy is once a month and $4 an issue. Throw in subs to Dark Knights: Metal (a temporary event thing), Batman, Nightwing, Teen Titans, and Titans to round out the subs I usually keep. Some of these are also twice a month.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on September 11, 2017, 06:40:22 PM
I spend at least $100 a month on ComiXology. One the one hand, I fucking hate it because digital should be at least $2.00 cheaper. Doubly so since Amazon went and fucked the user experience on iOS right after they bought them.
On the other hand, if I squint hard enough, I can say that paying full price for digital books is like a convenience fee of not having to contend with the space-sucking burden of physical books any longer.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 13, 2017, 08:40:36 AM
Action Comics #987:

Mr. Oz revealed as...

spoiler (click to show/hide)
JOR-EL, Superman's father.
 :trigger
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https://comicsheatingup.net/2017/09/13/spoilers-action-comics-987-the-identity-of-mr-oz/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2017, 09:22:53 AM
This is almost as dumb as Morrison trying to pass off the big villain of Batman RIP as Batman's father (he wasn't.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 13, 2017, 01:08:00 PM
The real Jean is coming back! I'm excited, but I kind of doubt they will continue the Morrison characterization of her. It would be really nice if she is slotted into the Xavier role for the X-men.

It's too bad Scott is dead though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2017, 02:35:42 PM
Dark Nights: Metal #2 spoilers

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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DJmHApnVYAEabVV.jpg:large)
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DUN DUN D-(https://i.imgur.com/6YFH5bk.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 13, 2017, 02:42:07 PM
They're not robots, this isn't a dream sequence.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2017, 04:17:41 PM
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Spoiler: It was Clayface
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2017, 07:56:42 PM
I actually liked that part of the issue. It was a fun thing to do with the Justice League and Bat Family without having them outright fight. Plus how they showed how they knew which weren't Bruce.

And Supes doing that actually had a story purpose. (And wasn't really a shock panel as they already said it wasn't him which made me initially go "who was left" and I totally forgot Basil despite loving his arc in Detective.)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
To grab the heartbeat transmitter out of Clayface.
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I also kinda liked the whole part where the Owls were like "we named this Batmanium (or whatever) because lol fuck you and fuck you again."

This is almost as dumb as Morrison trying to pass off the big villain of Batman RIP as Batman's father (he wasn't.)
I don't think Morrison ever tried to do that, he had setup Hurt beforehand in the earlier issues, and neither Bruce nor Alfred or the Joker believed him when he claimed to be Thomas Wayne.

What Morrison did play coy about because he wasn't sure what he was going to do with the character yet was whether or not he was literally the devil. (And Morrison later said "yeah, he was, at the time, it's about Batman defeating the devil.")

Which to tie this all together, I'm happy that Snyder didn't stop with the Owls and has gone back to pay homage to Morrison's plot-line with who the BIG BAD of Metal is since Morrison skipped past it as he was deadline smashed to bring Bruce back and do Incorporated before New 52.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
also, bruce somehow just having baby darkseid :dead
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 14, 2017, 08:06:51 PM
Secret Empire Omega:

OK, let's end this shitshow.

Good guy Steve visits bad guy Steve in a maximum security prison.  It's supposed to be crazy hard to break in/out, but of course he waltzes right in wearing his hoodie.  The entire comic is pretty much just the two of them having a conversation on their philosophies.

What we get from this:

-Good guy Steve rants that despite Stark spending millions to create a campaign to save Cap's name and explain that evil Steve is the one people should hate, his image is tarnished.  He goes to save a kid and the kid pulls away in fear.

-Bad guy Steve is under the impression that he did nothing wrong.  Says that the power was given to him (it was...but he planned it that way) and all the shit that led up to it, in previous crossover events, was not his fault.  That part is true.  But then good guy Steve points out that he's an evil asshole who killed Jack Flag, Rick Jones (not mentioned, but he also murdered the Red Skull), and bombed the shit out of Las Vegas, killing who knows how many people.

-Black Widow is apparently alive.  They show a funeral for her and Hawkeye breaking down, but then Bucky is out doin' thangs and sees someone get killed by a sniper shot that only Widow could do or whatever.

-The Punisher, who was working for bad guy Steve (because he adores Cap), is back on the other side and is hunting down and killing the Hydra agents still around.  They're back to looking more 'cartooney' again.  Nick Fury is watching him.

-There seems to be plans to keep bad guy Steve around.  At the end of the comic, good guy Steve escapes when an alarm goes off and guards rush in.  One of them pins bad guy Steve to the wall and whispers "hail hydra" while restraining him. 

And now they're off to push Marvel Legacy and Generations and all that. 

I'm gonna guess bad guy Steve either ends up as the new Red Skull or Captain Hydra or whatever and becomes a minor villain, like evil Ultimate Reed Richards (The Maker) did.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on September 15, 2017, 01:49:13 PM
Secret Empire Omega:

OK, let's end this shitshow.

Good guy Steve visits bad guy Steve in a maximum security prison.  It's supposed to be crazy hard to break in/out, but of course he waltzes right in wearing his hoodie.  The entire comic is pretty much just the two of them having a conversation on their philosophies.

What we get from this:

-Good guy Steve rants that despite Stark spending millions to create a campaign to save Cap's name and explain that evil Steve is the one people should hate, his image is tarnished.  He goes to save a kid and the kid pulls away in fear.

-Bad guy Steve is under the impression that he did nothing wrong.  Says that the power was given to him (it was...but he planned it that way) and all the shit that led up to it, in previous crossover events, was not his fault.  That part is true.  But then good guy Steve points out that he's an evil asshole who killed Jack Flag, Rick Jones (not mentioned, but he also murdered the Red Skull), and bombed the shit out of Las Vegas, killing who knows how many people.

-Black Widow is apparently alive.  They show a funeral for her and Hawkeye breaking down, but then Bucky is out doin' thangs and sees someone get killed by a sniper shot that only Widow could do or whatever.

-The Punisher, who was working for bad guy Steve (because he adores Cap), is back on the other side and is hunting down and killing the Hydra agents still around.  They're back to looking more 'cartooney' again.  Nick Fury is watching him.

-There seems to be plans to keep bad guy Steve around.  At the end of the comic, good guy Steve escapes when an alarm goes off and guards rush in.  One of them pins bad guy Steve to the wall and whispers "hail hydra" while restraining him. 

And now they're off to push Marvel Legacy and Generations and all that. 

I'm gonna guess bad guy Steve either ends up as the new Red Skull or Captain Hydra or whatever and becomes a minor villain, like evil Ultimate Reed Richards (The Maker) did.

To me it sounds that it will be wiser that they scrap both "good and bad cap" given that they are in a worst position than PostCivilWar Iron man, as it seems that at least people liked Civil War 1
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on September 19, 2017, 06:39:16 PM
Huge digital Marvel sale going on on Amazon, but I don't see the point really with Unlimited.

If they did a DC comixology sale tho  :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 27, 2017, 09:11:34 PM
Marvel Legacy #1:

I think this is just a one-shot leading into this new branding(?).   Was an OK story that I guess is Marvel's version of what DC has been doing to reset or bring back some stuff while keeping continuity.

Will spoiler the notable points in case anyone cares.  This is stuff leading into the ongoing books.

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-CAVEMAN AVENGERS!  This book starts off with a young Odin teaming up with prehistoric versions of Phoenix, Black Panther, Iron Fist (I think), Starband, Agamotto, and I think one other to battle a Celestial, who according to Agamotto has something wrong.

-Ghost Rider (Robby Reyes) is starting to become more like the original Spirit Of Vengeance.  It takes him over and puts him in South Africa, where he fights a fucked up Starbrand and beats him with the Penance Stare.

-Sam Wilson is giving up being Captain America and is going to go back to being the Falcon.

-Lady Thor is going to die (we knew this already).

-SHIELD is being shut down.

-Deadpool is wanted for killing SHIELD agent Phil Coulson.

-There's a storyline running throughout this book in which Loki sends some evil frost elf-dudes to Earth to go steal something from a SHIELD secret warehouse (that everyone seems to know about, lol) and they fight Falcon, Lady Thor, and Ironheart.  One of the frost elves grabs what's in the crate and runs away.

-When he gets outside, he is run over by a semi-truck and threatens to kill the driver, who pops his claws and guts him. 

-Yup, it's Wolverine.  The original Wolverine, that is.  We see Jean Grey go to his tomb and the adamantium casing he was in is broken.  (Side note- this now makes FIVE Wolverines in the Marvel U- Logan, Old Man Logan, Laura, Daken, and Jimmy Hudson.  Six if you want to count Gabby. )

-The object in the crate is an infinite stone.  Logan picks it up.

-Tony Stark, who has been in a coma since Civil War II (an AI version of him has been doing things in his place), is suddenly gone.  This appears to be building towards a Tony Stark vs. AI Tony Stark battle.

-We see a distant galaxy with a Wakandan PLANET.  lolwut
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-The narrator of this book, what Marvel was HYPING UP, is...
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Valeria Richards.  Who is with Franklin in some other universe and that's it and WHAT THE FUCK WAS THE POINT OF DESTROYING UNIVERSES BEFORE SECRET WARS IF YOU'RE JUST MAKING MORE MULTI-VERSES AGAIN, MARVEL!?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 27, 2017, 09:53:48 PM
To be fair the end of Secret Wars was them saying they were going to go around making universes. So that was always going on.

I guess Starbrand is dead? If so that's lame. Character had a lot of potential in 616, but I guess it's whatever. I mean Hickman did'nt really do anything with him on a character level which is fine. Character development is not what made that run awesome, but a saw a lot of potential in a young dude who is now all powerful all of a sudden and oh killed his entire high school when he got that power.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 28, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
I know people will probably say it's overrated, but I think Kingdom Come is up there with Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns in terms of medium-defining storytelling.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 29, 2017, 11:05:16 AM
DC and Loeb are usually a good combo, it's Marvel and Loeb you have to look out for.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 29, 2017, 11:21:59 PM
Harrow County is such a hit or miss series, but I really like its hits. The whole "family" and the unraveling of why Harrow County is definitely the stronger part of the series.

I don't feel like I'm missing anything reading the collected editions. The prose stories I looked at seem more like writer wank than relevant to what's interesting to me in the series.

Apparently SyFy picked it up for a series.

East of West and Injection are killin' me, I really need to just wait and let them pile up but they're like the two best things. Should do the same to stuff like The Walking Dead for a while probably, and would Invincible but it's almost over. Saga has become so fucking boring and just like the same thing over and over. :lol

Should see if there's a decent sized series in the backlog to chew through instead. Then circle back around. Or clean up some New 52. Oh wait, Swamp Thing. Maybe go back to wherever I left that off.

I read the first issue of Loeb's Superman/Batman series. I liked it. Is the series as a whole worth reading? Andrex/Benji, please advise.
Yes, though Loeb leaves it about sixty issues before it ends.

The dueling inner monologues/approaches of Bruce and Clark are the key staple of the series more than simply their teaming-up. Though as it jumps from writer to writer especially as the series gets near the end that varies and hops around a bit. I'll assume that was part of what you were taken by as I remember the series putting that up front straight away. If so, definitely go for it.

At the very least in the first fifteen issues (and first two TPB's) you'll get to the part with Supergirl where Batman reaches peak badass.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 02, 2017, 01:07:04 AM
Why is current Marvel so bad? I havent been paying attention for the last 10 years (became a DC only reader) but over the last week have been scratching the surface and it's literally all shit. I mean I complain about DC like everyone else but their shit is minor compared to how bad the Marvel stuff I'm seeing is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 02, 2017, 04:02:50 AM
Hickman's Avengers was great.

Young Avengers by the Wicked and Devine team was filled with youthful energy.

Hawkeye was probably the most funny hipster comics out there. The kate Bishop one has been cute.

Vision was super good.

The Waid and Simease(?) stuff has been stylish takes on characters.

Warren Ellis' run on Ghost Knight was odd.

Arron's Thor stuff is honestly hitting the right tone for that part of the universe.

X-Men Blue is decent. Where Wheadon, Carey, and Morrison's runs 10 years ago?

Ultimates is super in depth.

USAvengers is so ridiculous in how fun it is.

Yeah constant events are bad. Civil War 2 was terrible. Secret Empire while faulty at the beginning ended even worse. Secret Wars kind of worked. Better then IvX.

There's still plenty of good Marvel stuff.

Does no one read Ms Marvel?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2017, 04:40:53 AM
Why is current Marvel so bad? I havent been paying attention for the last 10 years (became a DC only reader) but over the last week have been scratching the surface and it's literally all shit. I mean I complain about DC like everyone else but their shit is minor compared to how bad the Marvel stuff I'm seeing is.
It's not current Marvel. I mean, in terms of the process, I won't judge either way if it's bad or not as I float mostly outside it too.

As much as me and Tasty shit on DC, there was a method to their madness, New 52 could have worked except they didn't commit to it and even worse the editorial completely bombed every book that didn't have someone who felt they could ignore editorial. So rather than clearing up the continuity they actually made it worse, wrecked a whole bunch of books before they started and then tried to patch it up backwards and do mini-reboots all over that left such a mess that DiDio finally got promoted and they let Johns reboot the universe back with him taking on the task of explaining the whole thing in a standalone while everyone else spent a couple years just writing the books. With about the only thing they did right in New 52 editorially was minimizing the number of linewide crossovers, one of which was put in place for logistical purposes.

Marvel Editorial has been such a mess for decades that they've let every writer do whatever the fuck they've wanted with a series only for them to run into an endless series of things they desperately either needed to reboot or wanted to reboot when they realized what the writer had done. (Like eliminating all but 198 Mutants, which lasted what...two months before it was now "a couple hundred" and then "a few hundred.") Without ever rebooting the entire universe and/or effectively doing so like DC has. (The One Year Later after Infinite Crisis was to untangle a bunch of writers and let them plot out before they had to actually write the books, that's how Johns managed to pull off the whole sprawling New Krypton arc at the same time he did the Green Lantern one. And Morrison did Batman.) Except that they eventually made a shit load of film money which bailed them out of many problems and started them worrying about new fans being turned off by the continuity snarls, only rather than once again pull off what they already successfully pulled off by having a totally and more straightforward separate line of books, they decided that it was great idea to instead smash all these books together endlessly and put out as many number ones as they could possibly publish in a single decade. All while keeping the same continuity. Except when they aren't until they need to rewrite it. (All while also continuously putting out efforts that quickly end focused on new readers coming from the films.) And if there could be a crossover for literally everyone ever year that would be great, and X-Men too, and if we could cross them both over, that would just be gravy.

Basically the modern Marvel Method is Cap is part of Hydra, FOREVER. Just an endless escalating series of reveals that need to get bigger and bigger scale and more and more REVEALING only to be reversed eventually. Only this started over a decade ago. Years ago. Grant Morrison is probably most to blame with what he did regarding Magneto. But earlier events like Onslaught and The Spider-Man Clone Saga were early signs of the disease. Then they used Civil War to build everything to Secret Invasion to reverse a single death while ignoring everything else and throw the entire universe into chaos for a year or more before "fixing it" because they constantly want to relaunch some new heroic age that always descends into big fights and shocking deaths. They're lugging around a canon they want to constantly upend because they seemingly hate what each person has done with it and everything stuck to it over 50 years. And they do it endlessly because...well...it sells great at least comparatively.

Marvel sells significantly better than DC. Especially in dollars. Even in the trades. Maybe especially in the trades where DC sells more like Image.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 02, 2017, 06:50:39 AM
It's hilarious how time travelling Sam is going back in time and actually being the inspiration for Captain America when Captain America is his inspiration, then Ms Marvel is busy knocking in doors and arresting folk, Spiderman is in limbo, Wolverine is back but weird, lmao fuck Marvel at least DC doesnt make me prune my forehead this much
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 02, 2017, 10:31:43 AM
Why is current Marvel so bad? I havent been paying attention for the last 10 years (became a DC only reader) but over the last week have been scratching the surface and it's literally all shit. I mean I complain about DC like everyone else but their shit is minor compared to how bad the Marvel stuff I'm seeing is.

It really feels like House of M was the last time they did something interesting. After One More Day and Ultimatum I stopped actively trying to become a Marvel comics fan lol.

It is funny that DC's biggest fuck up in recent memory was the New 52, but ask 10 different people how bad it was and you'll get 10 wildly different answers.

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I only cared about the Batman stuff and that was still great, so New 52 isn't some curse word in my book. :yeshrug
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on October 02, 2017, 10:33:03 AM
doesn't marvel have a hard time holding onto artists as well? especially on their bigger titles because they have ridiculous schedules
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2017, 12:51:07 PM
New 52 was only "bad" because they didn't do any top level planning even though they were supposedly rebooting the entire universe and they were going to line everything up. But they didn't. So you wound up with Batman and Green Lantern continuing on as if nothing had happened. And you had Morrison writing a book taking place five years in the past for Supes at the same time other writers were supposed to be writing a current book but weren't allowed to know anything Morrison was doing, even though Morrison was writing a self-contained loop of a story like he's fond of that had no real ramifications outside the first few issues.

And the Batman problem was just ignored by everyone but technically the New 52 logic meant that his entire career had happened in five years, Dick, Jason, Tim, Damian, No Mans Land, Bane crippling him, "dying" and falling through time, etc. all in just five years!

They could have easily written a fix by saying there were no powered heroes prior to Superman, so Batman, Green Arrow, maybe even someone like Black Canary slightly modified, etc. would all be okay. Earth 2 basically did an inverse of this, putting a five year gap of no powered heroes instead.

This is basically what DCFU is doing, in Suicide Squad, Waller says something like she doesn't know if Superman caused them all, both good and bad, to come out public finally but non powered people like Batman, Joker, etc. all were around and had adventures before Man of Steel. And she had started collecting the Squad not long before which for the most part aren't superpowered in the Justice League way.

And a lot of the mid-stream reboots or cancellations were terrible. Stormwatch, Batgirl, Batwoman, etc. Snyder on Batman and Johns on Justice League were the only guys who really told a story from start to finish. As soon as Johns left Aquaman and Azzarello left Wonder Woman they fell apart. Same with Simone on Batgirl and Snyder on Swamp Thing. Catwoman was a mess and the writers couldn't decide if she was supposed to be in the Bat family of books or not after Winick left, and everything in the "Dark" line went through so many writers I wonder if anyone is even credited for multiple collected TPBs outside of Animal Man and/or Lemire. They weren't even finishing stories in Justice League Dark/Constantine/Constantine The Hellblazer and the fact that the character had three seperate books is pretty good evidence of not knowing wtf they were doing. I like pretending that all those people are still trapped in the House of Mystery (or Secrets?) because Constantine never went back to it and Zatanna randomly showed up later so neither of the owners could have let them out. :lol

Really it was just a lot of starting stuff and it ending randomly and them cancelling stuff instead of concluding anything. The Superboy/Titans books spent a lot of time on setting up the Ravagers spin-off and then I dunno maybe they died or something? Literally everything involving the Daximites plot and Helspont randomly disappeared. There were those people watching Superman and Shay Veritas had some kind of secret, bupkis. And there were like two Superboys at one point. (FORESHADOWING?!?) Supes having his identity exposed and losing his powers went nowhere as a story because they had to fix everything back up for his death.

Infinity Corporation seems to be part of something larger since it's continued through Rebirth.

Trinity War was a bad crossover with terrible tie-ins, Forever Evil was ultimately pretty lame and Convergence was hilariously bad and made almost no sense. Most of the Supes family crossovers were pretty bad, He'l, Doomed, etc. The weekly series were all better than any of the crossovers probably. It would have sucked to see The Multiversity wasted but thankfully Snyder has brought it forward.

Really you're just left with Snyder's meandering Batman arc and then Johns' Justice League (and related including Forever Evil) as the pillar which culminated in a "crisis" with Darkseid War. And it's more of a disappointment than it is anything bad as there's lots of individual good stuff in those other series, Rotworld was arguably one of the better family crossovers, Grayson was fun, etc. But when they were setting everything to the same point and launching from there you needed some greater oversight to put all the pieces together in a satisfying way or else the whole point of the New 52 wasn't needed, which they ultimately decided on and so we had Rebirth to undo Flashpoint a bit and let time flow back more naturally aside from Dr. Manhattan's whole thing. And really they were never committed to New 52 anyway other than to reboot into younger versions of Supes, Wonder Woman, etc. for whatever reason even though they wouldn't touch Batman, etc.

And now the whole thing has led to yet another origin story for Diana because sure why the fuck not, let's do another one for Donna while we're at it. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 02, 2017, 01:02:23 PM
I'm just happy the Supes x Wonder Woman shit is over.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2017, 02:19:52 PM
i somehow missed this coming out :lol

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 02, 2017, 02:27:44 PM
I'm just happy the Supes x Wonder Woman shit is over.

Everyone is.

Post-Crisis Supes supplanting the hideous New 52 jerk version :rejoice :rejoice

Best decision DC's made in a LONG time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 02, 2017, 04:10:43 PM
Why is current Marvel so bad? I havent been paying attention for the last 10 years (became a DC only reader) but over the last week have been scratching the surface and it's literally all shit. I mean I complain about DC like everyone else but their shit is minor compared to how bad the Marvel stuff I'm seeing is.

It really feels like House of M was the last time they did something interesting. After One More Day and Ultimatum I stopped actively trying to become a Marvel comics fan :yeshrug[/spoiler]
It was called Hickman's Avengers and Secret Avengers. A pretty dense and super sci-fi comic that leads into secret Fantastic Four crossover Secret Wars.

There was The Matt Fraction Hawkeye.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2017, 05:49:51 PM
I finally came back to Buffy after failing to keep up (Dawn was a centaur, Tasty) and am midway through season nine (Buffybot)

overall:  :neogaf

but it's also weirdly pretty much Buffy as I would expect when I stop going "oh nooo" to some of the absurdity like Twilight (not the character, the...fucking and universe)

guess i also need to dig up Angel and Faith as that's the other half of seasons 9 and 10

but just the title makes me lament that the Giles and Faith doing black ops operations never got its own spin-off

also, the covers are great but goddamn is the fucking art terrible, in the endgame arcs of the season eight i couldn't tell you who was Dawn, Faith or Kennedy, and seriously everyone was changing height between panels and at one point i totally could not tell the difference between a glassesless Giles, Riley and Andrew in a panel, if Xander wasn't missing his eye it'd probably be even worse, even Buffy doesn't look like herself half the time YET THESE ARE ALL BASED ON ACTORS, SOME REALLY FAMOUS, YOU CAN DRAW OFF OF FFS, all the new and just for the comics characters they've had no problem maintaining uniqueness/consistency for

Buffy has been a disaster in season nine until the latest arc, while Spike and Andrew have had no favors done in season nine either, i literally did not know who Andrew was until they finally mentioned it; yet all the brand new characters continue to look the same between issues and artists

also like, Angel's post-show series is some canon-limbo even though it got bought by Dark Horse, yet they're doing a slow roll of characters from that as I see "Fred" is showing up soon and i still don't know anything about Spike and why he has a spaceship, because last i knew those two were hanging out in Hell. A. (see what i did there) with the rest of the cast during the Angel series but whatever

i mostly wanted to complain about the art
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2017, 05:58:08 PM
also Batman: White Knight looks like it could be quite good as a deconstruction of everything Gotham, first issue was fun, even had one of the talking head TV debaters complain about Social Studies Warriors who let people like the Joker go free

the Joker/Riddler War was too long, but the back to back "punchlines" made it worth it, even if it was all a ploy to kick Bruce's proposal to Selina down the road six months

i actually like some of the METAL alternate Batman issues so far, the ones that delve more into the alternate world are better than the ones where they touch on it, Barbados Batman comes along to explain the whole universe thing and they come back to our universe to fuck it up and beatup one of our heroes...i think Dawnbreaker was kinda stupid and seemed shorter, but the first two even though one was Cyborg made me more interested in how these Batmen have come about than i initially was

the way Bruce decides is the best way to steal the Speed Force from Barry in The Red Death was totally metal
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2017, 06:12:46 PM
Also, I read the first collected part of The Damned which came out ten years ago, but was re-released colored this year, as part of the comic launching as a series which along with the mini-series Prodigal Sons I'm not having the easiest time finding so far but whatever, it'll be collected.

Apparently Showtime optioned this for a series back in 2011, with David Hayter of Solid Snake fame writing it. And Dreamworks had owned the film right since 2008.

For being only six issues, it sets up a really neat and potentially elaborate "world" in which it's the Prohibition Era, but gangs are run by Demon crime bosses, because they fled Hell for some reason. The main character, has been cursed so that he technically can't die, as long as someone touches him, then he "swaps" souls with them and returns to life. There's a third demonic family introduced who cursed him and have their own agenda beyond mere crime bossery related to this whole ditching hell thing, and their whole thing is cursing people rather than just killing them like the other crime bosses. Also, other than that group, the other demons don't particularly care about souls and other such demon related stuff anymore, it's all about the money and common crime.

The story in the TPB involves two crime families coming to an agreement to end their battles and work together for greater crime profits, and the main character Eddie, is hired to find the truce negotiator who has gone missing. Which of course is totally easy and does not in any way complicate things or involve all sorts of dark secrets and double crosses being revealed. The colored version uses pretty subdued colors except for occasional brighter ones on one demon or whatever but you wouldn't really miss anything if you only could find the original black and white version.

I kinda hope it starting up as an actual comic series and Lucifer's success revives the Showtime project even if they don't copy anything but the premise and even if Solid Snake is no longer involved. I think it could be a fun show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 12:24:45 PM
Buffy update for Tasty, I read through to the current wait point for the final issue of Season Eleven which I doubt is much more than a mindless fight.

The one season where they have a great premise to work with and not need shit fill-in drama issues (where people have to act out of the ordinary constantly and learn nothing ever ruining half of Season Ten) and it's the one where they sliced the issue order down to 12 and we got about five issues of consequences before we're back to normal.

Also, like Season Ten ends with the new Council and all it gets is a throwaway mention by Dawn in a listing of all the things Buffy has done, not to mention it doesn't even play a role in in any of this? RILEY IS ON THE COUNCIL TOO, AND WILLOW.

These are the kinds of plot holes that bare their ass and shove it into your face when you blitz through what's actually ten years of story in a week.

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Did not see the revoking of the other Slayers coming though, I have to imagine that's the sequel hook for Season Twelve.

Plus...part of me thinks they're going to do something revoking the world at large knowing about the supernatural.
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There's not going to be a Season Twelve is there. :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 12:43:04 PM
There's too much there to unpack, lol. But yeah I don't think we're getting S12. :(

I think 9 and 10 were fine... 8 was fine for what it was, but it didn't feel like Buffy to me and the big bad was... eh.

11's been the most consistent, probably because of the cut down issue count.

Haven't messed with the Angel and Faith stuff, but heard it's really good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 12:45:22 PM
Also I don't think Buffy's revoking is gonna last, it was a necessary powerup and I think it'd be preeeetty dumb to undo 7's big finale twist.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
Oh, forgot the part that made me angry considering all the stupid ass relationship angst that dominated the prior two seasons to the determent of real plot.

Buffy nearly killing that human dude in the park, and they throw it away with some jokes.

I assume it's the unstated reason she can't kill the suffering soldier later (though why Faith also can't bring herself to is beyond me) but if anytime would have been good for an issue or two of legitimate drama dealing with the consequences of events up to that point it would have been right there, instead by what seemed like the next issue they're breaking into secret military bases and restoring the status quo. :doge

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Also, Willow restoring Buffy's full powers should not depower Faith as they said, Buffy split her powers to awaken and give to all the rest of the potential slayers. Faith already had them and kept them even when Buffy came back from the dead. Twice. Buffy may have boosted Faith relatively to herself but it shouldn't have done anything to Faith.

In fact, in every single appearance (including Angel) up to and including Season Seven, Faith remained Buffy's near equal in terms of powers. I suppose there may be a slight de-powering of Faith when Buffy came back to life, but that was all the way back in the First Season before Faith was even called, she wasn't until Kendra was killed. The distinction that gave Buffy the upper hand was always Faith's lack of not only a trainer like Giles but the others around Buffy. When Faith came back in Season Seven and "failed" it was because she didn't have the qualities to be a leader, she was still their best fighter and I want to say even at that point they indicated both have to die for a true next Slayer to be called.

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btw Tasty do you want to revisit your comment about Buffy and Nintendo being the two topics you "know" you can challenge me on :-*
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 12:51:15 PM
Also I don't think Buffy's revoking is gonna last, it was a necessary powerup and I think it'd be preeeetty dumb to undo 7's big finale twist.
I think it'll last at least for a period in any potential future season. The last couple seasons have shown that most of them are just useless cannon fodder, the one they bothered with this season was just another one for Buffy to beat up.

Plus, I just remembered, they had rewritten in the book last season how Slayers can come to be. :lol

Haven't messed with the Angel and Faith stuff, but heard it's really good.
Angel must be better written in that because he's been boring garbage every time he's shown up in Buffy.

I saw that Illyria/Fred survived and continued into that which increased my interest regarding it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 12:55:50 PM
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btw Tasty do you want to revisit your comment about Buffy and Nintendo being the two topics you "know" you can challenge me on :-*

Considering I've been keeping up with the comics this entire time, no. I stand by my statement.

Also, lol, I'm at work so I can't really deep dive into all this shit. It's like asking someone to debate you in the politics thread. Brevity is the soul of wit, benji boy. Someday you'll learn that. ;)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 10, 2017, 01:14:15 PM
Ordered Batman White Knight #1 yesterday, should be here next week by post :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 01:26:27 PM
Considering I've been keeping up with the comics this entire time, no. I stand by my statement.

Also, lol, I'm at work so I can't really deep dive into all this shit. It's like asking someone to debate you in the politics thread. Brevity is the soul of wit, benji boy. Someday you'll learn that. ;)
No one was asking or inquiring of you to do anything. Overly defensive much. :hitler

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You're the one who made the original cowardly claim hoping I'd forget your vile attacks that a good person wouldn't do.

I watched Buffy/Angel when it aired and ended, for good, in an alley. Joss's stamp can't elevate this fan fiction canon another tier. Especially considering what he wrote for it, The Avengers films, and the fact that he never truly was in charge of the superior Angel. :bolo

I played the best Metroid, Zelda and Mario games as they came out. :bolo

I was there when Bruce's back was broken and everyone freaked out about Jean Paul Valley doing what Bruce had done in the past. :bolo

When I played the masterpiece, Yoshi's Island, my Super Nintendo was GREY. :bolo
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 10, 2017, 01:32:37 PM
Ok so you're old, so what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 10, 2017, 01:45:56 PM
WE PREFER AGE-ENHANCED KIDDO
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on October 10, 2017, 05:46:50 PM
This Dark Knights Metal stuff is kinda interesting seeing that its basically Bruce taking over the other JL roles and massively fucking up each one  :lol

Although with that said i want to read about Joker-Batman since he looks like a riot.


As for the marvel stuff, it can be interesting at times but i'm tired of all these constant events that leads to most of the super heroes being shit heads to each other.

I have heard the Hickman's Fantastic 4, Avengers and New Avengers are pretty good along with Matt Fraction's Hawkeye and Ironman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2017, 04:01:10 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDMQ3tXNKgM

Holy fuck this video was great. Always loved those old cartoons but couldn't put a finger on why.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on October 14, 2017, 04:03:52 PM
I used to have a couple eps on VHS as a kid, loved it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 14, 2017, 04:21:42 PM
I ordered Dark Knight Metal also, sounds batshit so why not. Decided to skip on Marvel stuff, will keep an eye on Legacy but their current stuff isnt of interest to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on October 15, 2017, 03:44:29 AM
I read enough to know that I absolutely DO NOT WANT this, but some of you might:
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/10/06/fully-lettered-pages-doomsday-clock-ashcan/

WE PREFER AGE-ENHANCED KIDDO
Shit, that'd make me Weapon IX or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 15, 2017, 05:08:31 PM
METAL is great, I love it. It's like The Multiversity in that it's totally non-serious fun while being somehow such canonwank that it ties it all together. I wonder if he talked to Morrison regarding the Barbados plot or if this is just him going about fulfilling what even Morrison thought was going too far. :lol

I like the premise of that Doomsday Clock excerpt.

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The idea that the plan didn't work.

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I already knew Geoff was going to involve too many of the Watchmen and especially Rorschach when he confirmed Adrian was involved.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on October 18, 2017, 02:55:07 PM
https://twitter.com/HansStephanie/status/920684044106510337

https://twitter.com/MinovskyArticle/status/920438546317574145
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on October 18, 2017, 03:25:03 PM
I ordered Dark Knight Metal also, sounds batshit so why not. Decided to skip on Marvel stuff, will keep an eye on Legacy but their current stuff isnt of interest to me.
Ordered Batman White Knight #1 yesterday, should be here next week by post :hyper

Why not just download them or use comixology(inb4 it's not available in South Africa). Buying single issues and having them shipped to you must expensive.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 18, 2017, 05:55:25 PM
I pick Kirby over Stan.

That said.

The thing I hate about Jack Kirby and his legions always bringing that stuff up was that Stan had long ago won the war, only the hardcore will ever care or know, people don't even know about the "Marvel Method" and all those people always praise Kirby. Plus and I hate to give credit to him but Stan literally had to write like 40 different books from everything from the heroes to war comics to everything else while serving as Marvel editorial and everything else in some shoved in the corner set of offices, it was basically just the two of them for a long time. The fact that early Marvel isn't outright terrible when you had Kirby drawing everything, and then Stan coming in after and somehow filling in all those books text-wise without fucking it up is to both their credits. Especially later when Kirby started to get creative, especially in Thor, and Stan probably had to go what in the fuck is this supposed to even be and figure out how to script it out. And Thor quickly gets pretty serialized for that era. Yet if you look at the Kirby proofs in the back of some of those collections, Stan had to have some legitimate skill to make that work at times. Especially when he's got 10 panels of dudes grabbing at some levers on a machine made of KirbyTech and laser beams firing out and characters with all the same expressions and who knows what notes Kirby left him if they weren't feuding at the time.

Really, when I was reading all those last year or whenever it was shocking how compelling and easily reproduced most of it could be as a "intro" series for kids/people coming from the movies without significant plot changes. Well... except for literally anything involving human fee-males. :lol

Actually, considering how bad a lot of that was, it's interesting that they realized how useless Sue's original power of just turning invisible was and gave her those force fields and turned her into a fighter fairly quickly. Even if the science that Reed explained it with made zero sense like everything else back then.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 19, 2017, 12:33:25 AM
I ordered Dark Knight Metal also, sounds batshit so why not. Decided to skip on Marvel stuff, will keep an eye on Legacy but their current stuff isnt of interest to me.
Ordered Batman White Knight #1 yesterday, should be here next week by post :hyper

Why not just download them or use comixology(inb4 it's not available in South Africa). Buying single issues and having them shipped to you must expensive.
For the longest time I did (and still do). Bought a nice tablet, get comics digitally, but it's just not the same. I've enjoyed comics less since going digital so I'm going to try these new series in print. I enjoy reading physical manga more than digital also so there's some president.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 19, 2017, 12:44:35 AM
Kirby ethering Stan is glorious  :delicious
I've always seen Stan as a mascot more than anything and find it ridiculous what people attribute to him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 19, 2017, 01:38:27 AM
so there's some president.
Jeez, Momo always filling threads with the political jibber jabber!

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precedent  :-*
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 19, 2017, 01:44:19 AM
precedent. fuck you i haven't slept and just typing shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 19, 2017, 09:54:55 AM
Marvel musings:

Marvel Legacy numbering has started on some books.  For the most part, it's easy enough to follow, but I bet this is going to lead to some confusion.  There's one title change with The Totally Awesome Hulk now back to The Incredible Hulk.

X-Men: There's currently a crossover arc between X-Men Blue and X-Men Gold going on, featuring Mojo as the villain.  In the first issue of this crossover, we get the classic X-Men setup of them having a ball game before shit hits the fan.  Both teams are playing ball and something hit me reading this- I can't exactly remember, but I'm pretty sure that the Blue team left the Gold team (I.E. all of the other X-Men) to go off with Magneto and "hide" in Madripoor.  Yet they're right back in NYC being welcomed with open arms.  The other thing that stands out are the amount of similar characters/clones and the lack of any real reaction.  Jimmy Hudson meets Old Man Logan for the first time.  This gets a whopping TWO panels of "I hear you're my son from another universe."  "Hmm."  "Hmm."  Kind of expected more there.  And then in a recent issue of Blue, the team gained another member in Bloodstorm, yet-another vampire version of Storm from an alternate universe (Blue seems to slowly be turning into Exiles).  The two Storms don't interact at all and the fact that Bloodstorm is a blood-thirsty vampire who can't control her urge to drink blood is ignored.  Ditto for Jean Grey and her daughter Rachel.  Wassupwitdat?

Spider-Man: Pete has lost his company and is now universally-hated by pretty much everyone because all the web-ware tech (tablets, smart watches, etc.) is dead and/or money invested in the company is lost.  So he spends his time sitting on Mockingbird's couch all day doing nothing and finally gets some motivation when she tosses the Spider-Man gear at him to go out on patrol.  Kind of the opposite of the classic Spider-Man stories where now Peter Parker is the "menace", with even the Daily Bugle publishing headlines labeling him as such, heh.

Iron Man: Not sure if the plan here is to end the Dr. Doom Infamous Iron Man series and fold everything into a single book.  The return to the legacy numbering starts off a new storyline where Tony Stark's body (he has been in a coma for months, with an AI version of himself running around instead) suddenly disappears.  This has pretty much nothing to do with Doom, but in the middle of the book it's like someone took a page or two from Infamous Iron Man and just stuck it into this comic, so I guess there's going to be a "who will be Iron Man?!" thing happening at some point.  The big points here are Tony's board of directors trying to take over the company and then a mysterious bald man waking up from some kind of chamber and putting on Iron Man armor.  Maybe that's Tony or a swerve because Bendis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on October 19, 2017, 07:28:14 PM
Marvel musings:


Iron Man: Not sure if the plan here is to end the Dr. Doom Infamous Iron Man series and fold everything into a single book.  The return to the legacy numbering starts off a new storyline where Tony Stark's body (he has been in a coma for months, with an AI version of himself running around instead) suddenly disappears.  This has pretty much nothing to do with Doom, but in the middle of the book it's like someone took a page or two from Infamous Iron Man and just stuck it into this comic, so I guess there's going to be a "who will be Iron Man?!" thing happening at some point.  The big points here are Tony's board of directors trying to take over the company and then a mysterious bald man waking up from some kind of chamber and putting on Iron Man armor.  Maybe that's Tony or a swerve because Bendis.[/i]

Wasn't there something about his brother Arno returning? maybe its him?  ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 20, 2017, 08:09:03 AM
Marvel musings:


Iron Man: Not sure if the plan here is to end the Dr. Doom Infamous Iron Man series and fold everything into a single book.  The return to the legacy numbering starts off a new storyline where Tony Stark's body (he has been in a coma for months, with an AI version of himself running around instead) suddenly disappears.  This has pretty much nothing to do with Doom, but in the middle of the book it's like someone took a page or two from Infamous Iron Man and just stuck it into this comic, so I guess there's going to be a "who will be Iron Man?!" thing happening at some point.  The big points here are Tony's board of directors trying to take over the company and then a mysterious bald man waking up from some kind of chamber and putting on Iron Man armor.  Maybe that's Tony or a swerve because Bendis.[/i]

Wasn't there something about his brother Arno returning? maybe its him?  ???

Wouldn't surprise me.  Also won't be surprised when this story takes twice as long to finish than it should.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on October 20, 2017, 09:33:56 AM
Really enjoying Metal and the tie-ins. I’m glad I read through all the Crises and Morrison’s Bat stuff again recently because I’m not sure I remembered much from Final, Barbatos, etc.

Also Best Buy has these Hardcover and DC Animated Movie Blu Ray combos on sale for $12. I saw JLA Earth 2, Death of Supes, new 52 Batman, new 52 JL. Not a bad deal.

https://www.bestbuy.com/site/superman-doomsday-includes-death-of-superman-graphic-novel-blu-ray-2007/5882116.p?skuId=5882116
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 21, 2017, 08:02:03 AM
 :rofl Tom King is the fucking best

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Selina is forcing Bruce to take her to Talia...this violates an international treaty, triggers a JLA crisis alert, and the Robin's go nuts when Alfred tells them and Damien realizes where they're going :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: desert punk on October 21, 2017, 08:49:48 AM
Not super into comics but I've been reading Marvel's Darth Vader series (2015) since yesterday and it's quite good. They do a good job in tying the prequel stuff to the old movies without it feeling forced and I like how Vader has to prove himself worthy to the emperor again after the events of ANH. They certainly managed to make Vader entertaining again after the prequels.

Kinda takes me back to the old Republic series from the early to mid-00s. Really enjoyed those issues back then.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 24, 2017, 12:30:50 AM
Picked up my comics yesterday, Mister Miracle, Dark Knights Metal and Batman White Knight, I havent decided which ongoing books to read post rebirth so i'm doing these mini series only for now, any other suggestions?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on October 24, 2017, 08:11:11 PM
https://twitter.com/jermainedesign/status/922827482738364417/photo/1
:wow

Not super into comics but I've been reading Marvel's Darth Vader series (2015) since yesterday and it's quite good. They do a good job in tying the prequel stuff to the old movies without it feeling forced and I like how Vader has to prove himself worthy to the emperor again after the events of ANH. They certainly managed to make Vader entertaining again after the prequels.

Kinda takes me back to the old Republic series from the early to mid-00s. Really enjoyed those issues back then.
This is the Kieron Gillen run, yes? It's fantastic! I also like the "evil C3PO and R2D2" analogs. Vader's relationship with the smuggler-woman is also well-handled.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2017, 03:35:02 AM
Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season Eleven #12, "One Girl in All the World"

(Minor spoilers.)

And with that, Buffy Season 11, and quite possibly the entire canonical "Buffy" line of comic/show "seasons," comes to a close.

I think I like s11 the most of the comic seasons.

Season Eight was too grandiose and messy, and the finale didn't make a whole lot of sense. The sheer scope of it has to be commended though, and there were subplots and developments that I really liked.

Season Nine was thankfully scaled back and dealt with some serious issues, but it felt a bit aimless.

Season Ten was the start of the team finally "clicking" together again after 8 scattered them to the winds (for their own spinoffs, nache.) Spike, Giles and Willow being back full-time was a big step up, but the overall arc recycled too much from the show and lost some of the identity 8 and 9 had forged.

Season Eleven was the first time where the arc was fresh, the threats and issues were serious, the gang was back together and mostly harmonious, and overall it just felt like the first time we've seen these characters become adults. I can't stress how refreshing the lack of internal Scooby strife was. It also helps that this season was a scant twelve issues, giving it an absolute laser focus the other comic seasons lacked, but with that said... it was great, and it was only twelve issues.

If this is truly the end for seasons of Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I'm satisfied. This is probably the most uplifting season finale of the entire series, which is saying something. Of course, I'm also mildly tickled as an ardent Spuffy fan that after everything, Buffy finally ended up with Spike.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DM93vKpXUAEhRMJ.jpg:large)

"There is only one thing on this earth more powerful than evil, and that's us."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2017, 03:53:17 AM
i'll get around to this issue later when i check my stuff, i assumed it was going to be mostly fighting the chick anyway and then the scoobies regrouping so nothing major in scale which i'm fine with (aside from my earlier lament regarding Faith and the whole supernatural known by the world thing)

yeah the dumb drama of prior seasons within the groups was the worst part of them especially all the relationship angst that circled without any direction and always wound up back where it started...and the way they just totally paved over shit like killing Xander's new girl and like nevermind! now he likes Dawn! two issues later or some shit

i still wish i could somehow take some of the issues from one of those other season that felt like it was dragging and give them to this one to play up the camp section of the story longer, especially showing Xander, Dawn, etc. outside the camp in the real world, the issue where you got to see a little bit of Buffy's routine when she became a...moderator...and with breaking Willow in and uncovering the Orge plot was nice and tight but i wouldn't have minded just the whole scale of that time being expanded especially since so much of it was spent on pages of BUFFY BEATING UP PEOPLE...also maybe a bit more plot before they went straight to the camps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2017, 04:00:21 AM
I feel ya. Maybe 2-3 more issues and this season would've felt perfect. But the laser focus is super appreciated - this season didn't drag at any point, very much unlike 8-10 which had multiple points of "Okay skimming this to get to the good stuff."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2017, 04:11:43 AM
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Also I don't think Buffy's revoking is gonna last, it was a necessary powerup and I think it'd be preeeetty dumb to undo 7's big finale twist.
I think it'll last at least for a period in any potential future season. The last couple seasons have shown that most of them are just useless cannon fodder, the one they bothered with this season was just another one for Buffy to beat up.

Plus, I just remembered, they had rewritten in the book last season how Slayers can come to be. :lol

Getting proven right against the over-confident codger benji :rejoice :checkit

Now I am the master. :ufup
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2017, 04:17:25 AM
Read the spoiler because I don't care enough about the truly last issue of a series usually, but I admit, I was not totally taking into account that this might really be the final season and they kinda knew it.

I thought it might be part of a setup for next season's main arc.

And if it's not the last season I'm going to claim it'd be a better story than whatever they come up with until I see otherwise. :snob
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2017, 11:00:53 AM
Let this be a lesson boys and girls, you can challenge benji on shit even when he writes 8 paragraphs per post about it.  :shaqc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on October 26, 2017, 09:06:33 AM
Holy Crap! Buffy comic discussion! That's something I haven't seen in a while. I fell off of this season, because I just didn't really dig the premise that much. I think my favorite comic season of it were actually Season 8 and Angel: After the Fall. I loved early Angel and Faith though, that first season of it was amazing.

Not gonna lie though, I was never a big Spuffy guy at all, and I felt that both he and Angel were only fun characters when taken away from Buffy (well, soulless Spike worked, souled Spike was awful until he went out on his own) and I don't think I will ever get over the Buffy/Xander troll in Season 8, fuckers played with my heart. And Xander and Dawn sucked as acouple, were consistently boring, and I felt Xander regressed AGAIN after Season 8.

Looks like the series ends with Spuffy, makes me less likely to jump in quickly, but I'll get around to it.

How's Angel and Faith been?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on October 26, 2017, 05:48:24 PM
OK catching up:

Detective Comics 967: I do love this book. A lot, probably more than it deserves. This arc has been running super fast, and while I rarely say this, it might have needed like 1 more issue for the story it was trying to tell here. It's great seeing Tim back with the team, and you can tell that Tynion loves the character. This also did get me to read the Titans of Tomorrow storyline that I never had, and I do like how this calls back to it. I can't wait for Tim and Steph to finally meet again, and I want to see what Kate did to cause the whole mess. I also love havnig a Batman who gives a fuck and shows emotion. I hear Connor is coming back soon. Can't wait.

Teen Titans 13: Still not as strong as I'd like, and Percy still isn't great at wrting Damian, (I think only Morrison, Tomasi and Bryan Miller really get him) but he's not quite as insufferable as he has been lately. It looks like Starfire will take over the team, GOOD! Damian is a horrible leader right now. He has all the skills, but none of the people skills that made the other Robins the leaders during their tenure. I dunno if I want Wally back just yet. I LOVE him on Deathstroke.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 27, 2017, 07:48:51 AM
Venomverse:

Ignored this when the issues came out, but decided to go ahead and read through it on a whim since it was a pretty short mini-series.  It initially started with some prequel "Edge Of Venomverse," aping the Spider-Man Spider-Verse crossover storyline and introducing various alternate reality Marvel characters who had a symbiote and are all sucked through a portal and into another world, where a symbiote Captain America greets them at the end. 

I really wonder why they bothered spending time on this, since the actual Venomverse series was only like five issues long and had no other crossover stuff going on.  Even the main Venom book ignored it, which I guess is good or bad depending on how much you like crossovers.

This was a pointless little story about the various heroes being summoned to a ravaged alternate reality Earth by Venom-Dr. Strange.  There's some weird little parasite aliens that are looking to bond with symbiotes, but need their human hosts for it to work.  It's very much a rip-off of DC's Blackest Night storyline in the sense that when the parasites take over, they retain the personalities of their hosts, even though the hosts are dead.  So it basically just becomes a mini Civil War type-thing with Venom heroes versus parasite heroes.  Some of the Venom characters are quickly killed right off and only a handful remain.  It also really doesn't matter who most of them are (there's Wolverine, Deadpool, Old Man Logan, Mary Jane, Ghost Rider, Spider-Man, Black Panther, and some others...but most don't do much apart from Spider-Man and Captain America getting taken over and becoming bad guys)  Venom-Deadpool lets himself get taken over by the parasites because he's LOL DEADPOOL FOURTH WALL BREAKING AND HI-JINX and ends up being kind of a double agent, helping out the Venoms.  The big secret weapon against the parasites ends up being an alternate reality Carnage (who is exactly like the regular one), for...reasons?  If it was explained why Carnage is so dangerous to the aliens but the Venoms are not, I must have missed it.  I also wonder why Dr. Strange didn't just summon more Carnages after finding this out, but lol comics I guess.  SPOILER BECAUSE NO 1 CURR- It ends with shit blowing up and the aliens getting destroyed, and a couple of the Venom heroes get back to their universes, including our "hero" Eddie Brock.  (Side note- in the regular Venom series, Eddie Brock lives in poverty, staying in a shitty little apartment no better than a jail cell.  At the end of Venomverse, he returns home to a nice, fully-furnished place.  Good job with continuity, idiots)

Final rating: :zzz  What was the point of this?  I don't understand why they didn't try to go for a longer, more fleshed-out storyline.  I would have had the main Venom book take Eddie to the other world and spend a while building up characters and telling a better story.  It's so short that you don't really care about the characters or anything that's going on.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 27, 2017, 09:48:25 PM
Another DC fan here. :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on October 29, 2017, 08:56:58 PM
The DC Halloween special, while still not worth $10 dollars, was actually really good this year. Usually these holiday anthologies they release are terrible but every single of these was entertaining. That Batman and Joker one in particular was fucking haunting.

Detective was also really on point but god damnit they need to slow down and give it some time to breathe. Tim’s supposed death never felt like it had any weight because they rushed right through the aftermath of it. His return is the same.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2017, 02:53:03 AM
From Batman The Dark Prince Charming #1 (of 2)
(https://i.imgur.com/IGUJQdB.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2017, 03:39:50 AM
And Batman White Knight #2
(https://i.imgur.com/yeqSMvQ.png)

that needed to be a "pepsi" in her hands so bad
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 02, 2017, 03:51:11 AM
The Dark Knights Metal stuff is getting fucking wild :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2017, 04:20:24 AM
Yeah, I almost clipped out from The Devastator where he's saying to his version of Clark:
"For the first time in a long time, I felt FREE of the love you had inflicted on me.

And it felt fucking GREAT."

As he's transforming into Bat-Doomsday and straight up murdering him.

The Justice League tie-in issue was fun too.

When Snyder first was talking about how he just wanted to take things for a one-off story and make them "fucking Metal" I thought it was going to be way too self-serious about it, but it's not, it's great. And he's actually managed to make most of the DARK BATMEN interesting characters despite only getting an issue to do it with. I imagine if this was what Morrison had done for The Multiversity (as it's got a lot of similarities which I assume is why Snyder threw the map in), then DiDio would have promoted it instead of completely ignoring it and shoving Convergence out early.

The best part is that he's done it all in canon too, it didn't need to be one-offed. Though I imagine that freed him to include a lot of this stuff.

Next week we finally get THE MAN WHO LAUGHS story. :whew

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Oh shit... what if Barbados is The Empty Hand. :omg

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For those who haven't and don't want to read The Multiversity:

The Empty Hand is effectively the ultimate evil for all comic books, as he is the destroyer of stories themselves (and possibly also the creator), he's already destroyed multiple multiverses and is now invading the DC Multiverse. His allies/lackies, The Gentry are horrors that come from a place "outside the Multiverse" which is "opposite of everything natural" and represent villain archetypes taken to their "ultimate horror" form. They have the power to rework all the aspects of stories themselves to make them into mindbending horrors which is what they're doing to the "Marvel Universe" in The Multiversity to build the counter to the Miracle Machine used in Final Crisis.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on November 02, 2017, 10:21:53 AM
I’d bet money that The Batman Who Laughs is the Batman from the Killing Joke who murdered The Joker
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 03, 2017, 09:50:25 AM
I'm liking how these Batmen are from negative versions of existing earths where shit just went wrong  :lol


Next week we finally get THE MAN WHO LAUGHS story. :whew

 :obama
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on November 03, 2017, 03:29:03 PM
I’d bet money that The Batman Who Laughs is the Batman from the Killing Joke who murdered The Joker

He did not murder the Joker. Morrison is high.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 04, 2017, 01:51:28 AM
Yeah, I almost clipped out from The Devastator where he's saying to his version of Clark:
"For the first time in a long time, I felt FREE of the love you had inflicted on me.

And it felt fucking GREAT."

As he's transforming into Bat-Doomsday and straight up murdering him.

The Justice League tie-in issue was fun too.

When Snyder first was talking about how he just wanted to take things for a one-off story and make them "fucking Metal" I thought it was going to be way too self-serious about it, but it's not, it's great. And he's actually managed to make most of the DARK BATMEN interesting characters despite only getting an issue to do it with. I imagine if this was what Morrison had done for The Multiversity (as it's got a lot of similarities which I assume is why Snyder threw the map in), then DiDio would have promoted it instead of completely ignoring it and shoving Convergence out early.

The best part is that he's done it all in canon too, it didn't need to be one-offed. Though I imagine that freed him to include a lot of this stuff.

Next week we finally get THE MAN WHO LAUGHS story. :whew

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Oh shit... what if Barbados is The Empty Hand. :omg

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For those who haven't and don't want to read The Multiversity:

The Empty Hand is effectively the ultimate evil for all comic books, as he is the destroyer of stories themselves (and possibly also the creator), he's already destroyed multiple multiverses and is now invading the DC Multiverse. His allies/lackies, The Gentry are horrors that come from a place "outside the Multiverse" which is "opposite of everything natural" and represent villain archetypes taken to their "ultimate horror" form. They have the power to rework all the aspects of stories themselves to make them into mindbending horrors which is what they're doing to the "Marvel Universe" in The Multiversity to build the counter to the Miracle Machine used in Final Crisis.
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Yes, I’m surprised how satisfied I am with each issue with only 24 pages.

One weakness of modern comics is that there is way less text. This is good,in that it allows the art to shine, but it also doesn’t always give an issue much time to Breathe.

Somehow the Metal Tie-in’s have managed to feel like a complete story in one isssue. I don’t know when the last time I read a Marvel book that managed to do that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on November 04, 2017, 10:14:55 AM
Ah yes, the Bendis effect
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 04, 2017, 01:18:10 PM
I actually liked ultimate spider man. But I hate Bendis dialogue
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on November 04, 2017, 02:00:45 PM
my Punisher: The Platoon issues 1-2 review:

 :lawd



Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 07, 2017, 11:14:14 AM
Bendis got signed to an exclusive, multi-year deal with DC. 

Guess that's the end of an era.  No more Bendis "crossover" storyline events at Marvel!  But I did like him on books like Spider-Man.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 07, 2017, 11:28:45 AM
Bendis got signed to an exclusive, multi-year deal with DC. 

Guess that's the end of an era.  No more Bendis "crossover" storyline events at Marvel!  But I did like him on books like Spider-Man.

Now Bendis can spread the taint elsewhere  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 07, 2017, 11:51:54 AM
Who the fuck at DC looks at marvels sales the last year or two and says “You know, we need to be more like them!”

Edit: one thing I don’t like about Bendis is how timely his dialogue is. It’s very stuck in the time the comic was written and feels dated very quickly because of it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 07, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
Who the fuck at DC looks at marvels sales the last year or two and says “You know, we need to be more like them!”

Edit: one thing I don’t like about Bendis is how timely his dialogue is. It’s very stuck in the time the comic was written and feels dated very quickly because of it.

My favorite "dated" writing is from Chris Claremont.  But maybe "dated" is the wrong word.  He'd constantly use stuff like "caper" to describe events in the X-Men comics in the early 80s.  I don't recall people talking like that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 07, 2017, 02:33:56 PM
I actually sort of prefer that writing to one that feels like it takes place  exactly in present day.

Like I can go back and read some 80s or 90s comics, and for the most part (I’m sure there are tons of exceptions) the dialogue is sort of independent from popular slang at the time.

Probably because I grew up reading those comics, it actually seems more weird to me when the characters speak like they are ona tumbler blog or speaking like they are in 2010 USA. Then when you go read said book in 2017 USA, it’s like watching an old tv show or something and immediately feels old.

Obviously there’s other things about 80s/90s comics that date them, like hair, art styles, pouches, and Xtremeness but by and large I didnt pick up an issue of Spider-Man where he and the Human Torch was saying that last fight was “off the chain”. And Bendis does this shit all the time.

For some characters it works ok, like actually spider-man, it works fine because he is a jokey everyman. But it seems like he wants all of the characters to sound like “real” people. And most comic characters are not written that way, and in my opinion shouldn’t be.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 07, 2017, 06:29:53 PM
Hopefully he doesn't get Jack Kirby'd (in the bad way) and have to return to Marvel.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on November 08, 2017, 06:31:45 PM
Who the fuck at DC looks at marvels sales the last year or two and says “You know, we need to be more like them!”

Edit: one thing I don’t like about Bendis is how timely his dialogue is. It’s very stuck in the time the comic was written and feels dated very quickly because of it.

My favorite "dated" writing is from Chris Claremont.  But maybe "dated" is the wrong word.  He'd constantly use stuff like "caper" to describe events in the X-Men comics in the early 80s.  I don't recall people talking like that.

"Stilted." Claremont's writing is stilted. He wrote groundbreaking story arcs which were epic in scale, but "I love you, Scott" being answered with, "And I, you, Jean Grey" is stilted as fuck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 09, 2017, 05:54:11 PM
All of Metal got hit with delays again, so the second crossover is in front of the main story again, also they aren't going to finish it before Doomsday Clock starts :lol

And we got Batman Lost and will get Hawkman Found before The Man Who Laughs now :(

Though Lost was kinda fun and I wanted it longer before Bruce immediately started resisting. Would have reminded me of the multiple TNG episode where they're stuck in a loop and start noticing little errors.

Also I noticed that DC has started not referring to specific issues anymore in the little editors notes, but the TPB the issue is in. Unless it's too new for one yet.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2017, 09:43:56 AM
okay, so with our metal delay

and injection (which you all should have been reading obviously) going on hiatus until 2018 so warren can both finish the wild storm and also prevent injection from having these odd delays (lol ya rite)

i looked back at batman lost again, and then at some of what The Batman Who Laughs has been saying in the crossover issues and i realized a benji coming on, i need to go back to Batman: The Return of Bruce Wayne and from there, more pieces fell into place as i read past into the issue where Batman comes back to help Dick, Damien and The Joker defeat Doctor Hurt

METAL is practically a sequel to RIP and Dark Knights, Dark City

when i looked back at some of the METAL issues it was even more obvious, Thomas Wayne being present at a sacrifice to Barbatos with Thomas Jefferson (mentioned by him in Return, seen in Morrison's Batman & Robin when Bruce comes back, Jefferson and the sacrifice shown in Dark City), one of the METAL issues mentions Barbatos first having taken notice of Bruce in a "final moment of crisis" which is when Bruce founded the Bat tribe, that wound up worshiping the Bat-God which...was Bruce? That later became mythologized as Barbatos. The Waynes throughout history play a key role in Returns, and also are who Carter leaves his journal with in Metal, they're also who the Court of Owls have been manipulating for ages. Hurt's entire thing in RIP ties him to the Dark God Darkseid and his long goal of destroying the name of the Wayne family plays a part as he's the outcast of the family for you know trying to summon a dark god and everything...a family which ends in Bruce, who's also an outcast as it was revealed the Wayne's were of the Bird Tribe and he became a Bat. And The Court of Owls are the Judas Tribe of the Birds and were tied into this whole thing from the start so maybe Lincoln March was Thomas Wayne Jr. just...a different Thomas Wayne...

funny thing is the Hurt connection is even closer than intended, but you would have had to go into the first set of crossovers for Metal and then wonder wtf happened to Dick's head and why he's having visions to go back and find that Dr. Hurt recently showed up and explained the whole Barbatos plot to Dick months ago, then someone sliced him in the forehead with some special metal that's causing it lol like what

also there's even more references within the Metal issues than i imagined to all the Snyder New 52 plots that seemed like they went nowhere and he left them hanging, like he's going back and connecting them all back in as always having been part of this plot where Batman was never in control, he was always being manipulated to this point...even the Mister Bloom stuff led to it...

shame Tim was hanging out with Mr. Oz instead of figuring this all out for the entire D.C. Universe like he did the last time Bruce was being dragged along a path against his will thanks to a Dark God...

also...so The Joker was right about being the "good guy" way back in The Forge/The Casting...speaking of which, where did he get off to since then? :thinking

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also this series has been great for all the characters who have come back in some way, mr. terrific, plastic man (who batman assumes will need to be released!), the outsiders, the challengers of the unknown, that one 90s era starman (wrong one tho imo), red tornado, DREAM, most importantly the Oblivion Bar and Detective Chimp! Mister Miracle appearing before his new series kicks off!
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 11, 2017, 11:14:18 AM
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shame Tim was hanging out with Mr. Oz instead of figuring this all out for the entire D.C. Universe like he did the last time Bruce was being dragged along a path against his will thanks to a Dark God...

 >:(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 11, 2017, 11:49:02 AM
 :ohyou
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 13, 2017, 07:38:51 PM
That reveal of Mr Oz makes the wait for Doomsday Clock even more intense because Dr Manhattan is just showing glimpses of his broke ass self at this point  :lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2017, 05:14:28 PM
actual Cyborg dialogue printed in Justice League #33:

"You all tried to win by telling me I'd already lost. But you forgot one thing. I may be wires and metal on the outside, but deep down, I'll always be a VICTOR."

"We're going to HACK the Multiverse."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 15, 2017, 06:07:07 PM
The Man who Laughs Origin  :whew :whew :whew :whew :whew :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2017, 06:25:16 PM
the part where he calmly explains the entire situation to the Bat Family...
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just to suddenly gun them all down :whew
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 15, 2017, 06:30:41 PM
the part where he calmly explains the entire situation to the Bat Family...
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just to suddenly gun them all down :whew
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truly something none of them expected
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 :whoo :whew :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2017, 07:07:13 PM
Main thing I disliked about it was the part after he kills the Justice League could have been better structured, the others didn't have this problem because they all ended with him coming to get them, but they had to skip that for Barbatos. There was an Elseworlds tale years ago basically about what if the Batman decided to just straight up murder everybody he deemed as a threat. And it had him at the end more or less suicidal and driven truly insane from the lack of anybody who could stop him from this.

There's that element suggested here but I kinda wish that he ran into Barbatos as part of that because it'd add a little notion of Barbatos is distracting him with the Multiverse and probably can't trust him either.

Actually the most surprising thing of the issue was the ending:
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The Batman Who Laughs isn't relying on just his new Bat Family, he's decided to procure a whole bunch of Dark Multiverse versions of characters to bring through...which seems obvious but I didn't expect them to go that route and thought they'd instead keep it Batman-centric...

I liked how in the middle of all these nutty grotesque versions of DC Characters (like SPIDER-FLASH) is just a seemingly normal Martian Manhunter :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 15, 2017, 07:19:50 PM
Actually the most surprising thing of the issue was the ending:
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The Batman Who Laughs isn't relying on just his new Bat Family, he's decided to procure a whole bunch of Dark Multiverse versions of characters to bring through...which seems obvious but I didn't expect them to go that route and thought they'd instead keep it Batman-centric...

I liked how in the middle of all these nutty grotesque versions of DC Characters (like SPIDER-FLASH) is just a seemingly normal Martian Manhunter :lol
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It makes sense though since he wants to bring the most chaos and that's such a Joker thing to do (get his own army that are not just versions of "Batman"). Plus that might be the joker card he plays since it's possible Barbatos is not interested in that shit and could possibly shut it down.
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I also like
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how it \continues the narrative of Bruce not letting morality hold him back being a sight to behold since he's a fucking powerhouse. Even as a chick  :lol :lol :lol :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 15, 2017, 07:51:35 PM
Speaking of Bruce over in the non-Metal invaded DC Universe, Selina and Talia had their...catfight....and I like how Tom King mainly suggests the result and the purpose rather than actually having it be a regular comic fight. Also Selina and Talia's attempts at psyching each other out being the focal point of it as much or more than the swordplay part.

Also, King is so great at writing the whole gang, I love the way he portrays the unique Damien and Dick relationship and how Dick takes advantage of it specifically to irritate Damien. And Bruce's entirely unsubtle annoyance with anyone in the Family doing anything for him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 15, 2017, 10:55:18 PM
Speaking of Bruce over in the non-Metal invaded DC Universe, Selina and Talia had their...catfight....and I like how Tom King mainly suggests the result and the purpose rather than actually having it be a regular comic fight. Also Selina and Talia's attempts at psyching each other out being the focal point of it as much or more than the swordplay part.

Also, King is so great at writing the whole gang, I love the way he portrays the unique Damien and Dick relationship and how Dick takes advantage of it specifically to irritate Damien. And Bruce's entirely unsubtle annoyance with anyone in the Family doing anything for him.

That's Detective Comics right?  :leon

There is actually no metal shit over there?  :lol :lol

Will this be the one that starts Doomsday Clock?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 16, 2017, 12:48:43 AM
Just popping in to say im up to Mister Miracle #4 (of 12) and this is the best mainstream comic series I have read in a decade.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on November 16, 2017, 01:23:18 AM
Just popping in to say im up to Mister Miracle #4 (of 12) and this is the best mainstream comic series I have read in a decade.

Totally agreed. I'm really hoping they'll release some special version of this once it's finished because I will be all over that like a priest on a boy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2017, 01:29:00 AM
That's Detective Comics right?  :leon

There is actually no metal shit over there?  :lol :lol

Will this be the one that starts Doomsday Clock?
Batman. Really all the books are ignoring METAL outside of the tie-in issues. Some are already set after it.

METAL wasn't supposed to sprawl like it has, at least when they originally announced it. Initially it wasn't going to have any tie-ins. Just the main series and the issues for each of the Batmen. In fact, it was supposed to be over with by now and those new series that were supposed to come out of it were to have been started, but they all got pushed to 2018 and two of them completely dropped off the schedule.

And they aren't going to push back Doomsday Clock, it's coming out next week.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2017, 01:30:08 AM
Marvel apparently is ready for a big January though:
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Marvel has been in a bit of a slump lately, with lagging sales, poor PR, and a lackluster reception to their Marvel Legacy initiative. But all of that is about to change in a big way, because Marvel has figured out the way forward, the solution to all their problems, and a way to revitalize their product line and reinvigorate interest in Marvel Comics: more variant covers.

In January, 21 Marvel comics will be graced with Avengers-themed variants to coincide with the start of Marvel’s Avengers super-mega-not-a-crossover event, No Surrender.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 16, 2017, 02:33:36 AM
I'd rather eat green crayons than read most of marvel rn.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 16, 2017, 02:43:46 AM
I didn't realize The Man Who Laughed came out. Thought it got pushed back. Either way, Metal right now is the best thing about Super hero comics.

I am interested in No Surrender though, if only because I want to know whats up with Voyager(she has a cool design) and Al Ewing is involved.

I am interested in the Phoenix stuff though. Also Jean leading her own team in X-men Red excites me. Morrison had her positioned as a leader of the X-men, Xavier's heir while Cyclops would be more of the ground leader.  It was a good role for her and with Xavier dead I hope they continue that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 16, 2017, 04:29:42 AM
Metal is wild as fuck, loving it along with white knight
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2017, 10:57:26 AM
Metal is like Morrison if you swapped his obscure references for pure uncut cocaine.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 16, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
Metal is like Morrison if you swapped his obscure references for pure uncut cocaine.
he already did that

like with The Invisibles or The Filth or even Animal Man
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 16, 2017, 05:16:09 PM
I mean Batman-wise.
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Post by: Momo on November 17, 2017, 07:25:39 AM
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(https://i.imgur.com/UqUzWNl.png)
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:goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 18, 2017, 03:29:55 PM
And now, an excerpt from Dark Knights: Metal #3:

(https://i.imgur.com/YWtcYUKl.png)

Comics!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on November 18, 2017, 08:18:44 PM
What do you mean comics? That’s science, bitch.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2017, 05:26:30 AM
I wonder if that was prehidden deliberate snark against Justice League like in the one issue for the Dark Batmen where Batman brings a kryptonite spear to fight and gets his arm blasted off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2017, 05:26:49 AM
https://twitter.com/Ssnyder1835/status/925736104782893056
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 20, 2017, 12:05:26 PM
The one true Snyder.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 21, 2017, 11:48:50 PM
Metal #2 :lawd

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on November 22, 2017, 04:00:51 PM
Doomsday Clock #1 was a lot better than I expected. Felt like Watchmen without the 1980’s storytelling style that comics employed back then. Art was great too.

I didn’t think they’d be able to make the jump from the Watchmen universe to the DC universe without it feeling really jarring, but fuck me if they didnt do it perfectly.

A new page! And it only took almost a month to get here!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 22, 2017, 09:38:37 PM
For some reason I thought they'd do a hiatus like TV does this week, forgot to check my stuff. What a dummy. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 23, 2017, 12:00:45 AM
Read Doomsday Clock #1.  Initially I was like :confused, but by the end I kind of liked it.  Still not up to par with the original Watchmen and it kind of felt like they were trying to hard to copy its "edginess."

Savage Dragon #228: This is titled "Oh, Canada Part 2," since Malcolm and family have re-located after being chased out of 'Murica by Trump (yes, really), but it should probably be titled "Return to fuckfest" instead.  Nothing really happens here.  Dragon and his wife try Canadian food and drink.  Haha, Canada is wacky with poutine and Canadian beer-- WTF is this?  etc etc.

Then it's time for fucking!  Malcolm gets his tubes tied and his wife is eager to jump on his dick.  The most graphic sex scene yet is shown when Dragon blasts her with a huge stream of cum, which hurls her off his junk and onto the floor.  Cum then drips down into her open mouth and then she snowballs him and blows him while he gets a phone call and what the fuck is going on here, Larsen?  You know adult comics are a thing, right?  Just go draw porn already.  :dizzy

Some villain I don't remember is released from a block of ice (Malcolm literally says "he was last seen in issue #106!" when asked) and the fight is over pretty quickly without the villain saying a single word. 

Then it's back to fucking!  Dragon's mother in law comes to visit.  Dragon and Maxine return home and find his brother Kevin fucking her because what else would they be doing?  I expect to see a foursome in the next issue.  :doge  Clearly Erik Larsen is enjoying his comic being a fully 18+ book, but maybe we could get some real plot again?  Please? 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2017, 12:11:23 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/4hG9hAc.jpg)

Bruce and Barry the only ones bothering to research anything relevant to their ongoing mystery situation. ::)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2017, 12:23:08 AM
Spending a whole page on The Mime collecting his gear :delicious
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 23, 2017, 01:18:50 AM
finishing off the dark nights metal tie ins i havent read yet friends
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 23, 2017, 06:45:01 AM
Just hope Doomsday Clock is'nt going to be something corny like Superman has to convince Doc M that life is great and all that nice shit. But I can't really see Doc being a villain.

But I wont lie and say a return to the Watchmen world isn't interesting. It really is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 23, 2017, 12:47:34 PM
Just hope Doomsday Clock is'nt going to be something corny like Superman has to convince Doc M that life is great and all that nice shit. But I can't really see Doc being a villain.

But I wont lie and say a return to the Watchmen world isn't interesting. It really is.

Sounds like that's exactly what they are going for, especially with the dichotomy between the 2. Will see how they go about it or if it will work.

Also Doc is way too OP for anyone to do anything to him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 23, 2017, 12:59:52 PM
A philosophical discussion between the two could be great if done well. I do trust Johns, and always have since the best DC crossover, Infinite Crisis.

I'm more interested/nervous about how they'll explain Manhattan messing with the DC universe (and "stealing" 10 years.) They set it up as some grand villainous act, but that doesn't really fit him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 23, 2017, 01:25:07 PM
up to date with dark days, gotham resistance, bats out of hell, the one shots and the main book :rejoice 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 23, 2017, 01:52:43 PM
Doomsday Clock #1.  Mime you fucking hilarious loser  :neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 23, 2017, 09:38:38 PM
Just hope Doomsday Clock is'nt going to be something corny like Superman has to convince Doc M that life is great and all that nice shit. But I can't really see Doc being a villain.

But I wont lie and say a return to the Watchmen world isn't interesting. It really is.

Sounds like that's exactly what they are going for, especially with the dichotomy between the 2. Will see how they go about it or if it will work.

Also Doc is way too OP for anyone to do anything to him.

Batman could defeat him with prep time and blue kryptonite.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 23, 2017, 11:03:52 PM
Anything I should read to jump into Doomsday Clock?

I’m not reading any DC regularly, but like to pick up certain runs. I’m enjoying metal right now and Doomsday Alcock looks interesting but not sure how far back into Superman I need to go for it.

I was picking up the super man books every week, but IMO comic books have just gotten so damn expensive I’m choosy as hell with what I buy weekly.

Really wish DC had something like marvel unlimited.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 23, 2017, 11:10:40 PM
Doomsday Clock required reading, as far as I know:

Watchmen
Flashpoint
Superman: Lois and Clark (Convergence)
DC Universe: Rebirth
Batman (2016)/Flash (2016): The Button
Superman (2016): Superman Reborn

And maybe Titans: Rebirth and Titans (2016.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 23, 2017, 11:19:02 PM
Really though...

All you need from the Watchmen side is the original graphic novel.

From the DC side, you need the following facts:

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- The New 52 in 2011, launched in-canon by the Flashpoint storyline, rebooted the DC universe approximately 10 years earlier than it was set at the time. Things were shifted around in a reboot-y way, like both of Superman's human parents being killed at the same time by a car accident, but it was essentially the same DC. It did wipe out the Caucasian Kid Flash and Flash from the 90s-2000s (Wally West) and replace him with a black counterpart.
- The Superman from before the New 52 somehow survived with that reality's Lois Lane and his newborn son, Jonathan "Jon" Kent.
- Convergence led to that Superman, Lois, and Jon entering the New 52 version of the DCU right around the time the New 52 Superman died. They existed separately and in-secret during this time.
- The Superman Reborn storyline combined the pre-New 52 and post-New 52 Supermen and Lois Lanes into singular beings. Despite the new Superman taking most of his character and history from the pre-New 52 version, his parents' deaths remained the post-New 52 version (car accident at the same time.)
- Batman found The Comedian's button (from Watchmen) in the Batcave. He teamed up with The Flash in their crossover ("The Button") and discovered someone stole 10 years from the DC universe (AKA the New 52.)
- All things point to that "someone" being Doctor Manhattan.
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Benji spank me if I got any details wrong.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 23, 2017, 11:43:33 PM
I'm dying here, THREE WEEKS till the next fucking Mister Miracle, help :goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 23, 2017, 11:47:52 PM
Hey I think I have actually read all of that shit!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on November 24, 2017, 01:14:10 AM
I'm going to be so disappointed in Doomsday Clock, no matter how good it ends up being, if it doesn't go all in on everything that's happened since New 52. I want to see Dr. Manhattan making Superman remember what happened before the events of Superman Reborn. I want to see a followup to The Button where we actually see Manhattan killing Zoom, and what his reaction was to him coming back to life. Show Clark remembering the events of Convergence, and tell me how Brainiac was actually the misunderstood hero in that story by saving existence from Dr. Manhattan's meddling. Straight up tell us that the reason Bruce saw his father in The Button was to fuck with his head and push him towards retiring from being Batman. And tell us why the hell Tim Drake was abducted by Dr. Manhattan. Or have a part where Manhattan is telling Clark about his motivations for putting Jor-El on Earth.

My biggest concern for Doomsday Clock is that all this buildup will have been like the buildup we got in the Countdown weekly series to Final Crisis. Countdown (and Death of the New Gods) ultimately had nothing to do with Final Crisis at all, which ultimately made Countdown even worse in retrospect.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 24, 2017, 01:56:42 AM
Batman Lost #1: Question -
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Who's the hooded gal at the start talking Batman through the prehistoric clan fight?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 08:47:52 PM
I don't think she's supposed to represent anyone we know, just one of the earliest of the Owls or one that effectively operates outside time/space to communicate with the trapped Bruce. Snyder's original "nursery rhyme"/scary limerick was about how the Owls are always watching and every other part of that rhyme has been used throughout his run.

She could potentially be Keira...Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman as they're immortal...but I think she's just an Exposition Owl for lack of character name. Who was watching the start of the "war" and so could tell Bruce about this. I assume that the skeleton around her neck is a bat. I mention that because Vandal Savage in Return of Bruce Wayne has a noticeable necklace of bird skulls before he takes it off for sexy time with some ladies. And Exposition Owl is showing him what I think is the aftermath of that book's ending. (Defeat of Savage who gets kicked out of his clan, founding of Bat tribe and founding of Bird tribe. The staff with the giant Bat pelt she stabs into the ground was one Savage had claimed off of the Hyper-Adapter/Barbatos and Bruce used to cloak himself for the fight.)

If she means anything it'll probably be most likely explained in Hawkman Found. Part of the delays and scope expansion of this was that Johns signed off on letting Snyder bring those two back into the DC Universe finally free of their nonsense canon. One thing, since you mentioned reading the side stories (of which I kinda liked Gotham Resistance more than I assumed even if the explanation for the Nightwing stuff was months ago in his own book), is that for all of these and Lost we don't have just Snyder. But Tynion and Williamson are contributing. And I'm not as familiar with all their other stuff as Snyder so I can't tell you if she or some of these others have come from that stuff.

I still think she's just Exposition Owl.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 25, 2017, 09:11:45 PM
Read through Alan Moore's cosmic-horror-related trilogy of comics.  Will spoiler in case someone wants to read them.

The Courtyard:

Short, two-issue story about an FBI agent working undercover to investigate a series of murders where hands (and heads, IIRC) are cut off around New England.  The agent is an unlikable white supremacist-type who is only selected for the investigation because he is adept  at putting together the pieces for cases where very little evidence or connections are available. 
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Ends with him trying what he thought was a drug, but was actually him being put into a trance-like state and fed Lovecraftian language from a weird guy with a veil on his face and a lisp who is more than he seems.  After this, the agent goes insane and commits the same type of murders.
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Neonomicon:

Direct sequel to The Courtyard.  Four issues long.  Two other FBI agents continue the investigation and try to talk to the first guy, but it goes nowhere.  They then go undercover and infiltrate a weird sex cult. 
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Except that the cult members are aware of who they are, kill the male agent, and then start raping the female as they have an orgy that summons a weird fish man like creature.  They leave her with the creature, who rapes her repeatedly and then seems to understand that she wasn't there willingly and frees her.  Ends with her lying to her superiors about what happened to hide that she has been impregnated.  She goes to talk to the insane agent from the first story and starts speaking the same weird language.  He then goes 'sane' and realizes that she is carrying what is implied to be a cosmic god of some kind and says that she is a goddess.  They leave the asylum where he is committed, killing the guards.
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Providence:

Most of this 12-issue story is a prequel, taking place in the 1910s, but the last issue brings things back to the present and continues the story.  This focuses on a newspaper journalist who goes off around New England to do research for a book he wants to write and gets caught up in all sorts of weird Lovecraftian occult stuff.  H.P. Lovecraft himself is a character who shows up.  This story is generally pretty straight forward, but has some weird shit happen that is never explained...which I guess is kind of the whole M.O. for cosmic horror. 
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Lots of odd creatures and crazy events affecting time perception occur.  The big theme that is slowly revealed is that all the weird shit people dream is real and is part of another world that was once part of the "real world."  As it turns out, the main character is unknowingly playing a role of an information gatherer to set forth things that will bring the dream world back to reality.  Lovecraft's part is that while he thinks he is writing fiction, it is all "real" information being sent to his mind and his published works get more and more people in tune with this other reality.  The series ends back in the present with the dream world taking over and humans just going with the flow, since it is affecting their minds and they don't really notice what is happening.  It gets all crazy and the female FBI agent has her weird baby, who goes off to do whatever and the people left ponder how they are going to live in this new existence.
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It was fun to read, but bits of the last series made no sense at all. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 09:46:32 PM
My biggest concern for Doomsday Clock is that all this buildup will have been like the buildup we got in the Countdown weekly series to Final Crisis. Countdown (and Death of the New Gods) ultimately had nothing to do with Final Crisis at all, which ultimately made Countdown even worse in retrospect.
First, as an aside, I don't think Tim Drake was abducted by Manhattan just MISTER OZ but I haven't been reading DC books that aren't Tom King, METAL or Justice League related the last few months so anything Detective or Supes is more for Tasty to reply to.

Countdown was never intended to lead to Final Crisis. It was supposed to be "52 done right" and then at the end it became Countdown into Final Crisis even though they didn't actually bother to check with Morrison, Johns or Rucka about what they were writing for Final Crisis. (Neither did the Death of the New Gods author.)

The one thing they did want to establish were the different Monitors and how they each had their own universe. Which they had already established in 52 I think. In the end, Morrison and Johns wrote DC Universe #0 to establish the stuff for Final Crisis and Blackest Night that they needed established. And Morrison wrote extra panels and part of Superman Beyond rehashes the Multiverse, the Bleed, the Monitors, etc. through random exposition because they didn't want how Countdown did it.

You could argue Morrison and Johns wound up giving more canon status to Countdown than it had earned when they established the Multiverse having been progressively destroyed AND Superman-Prime in the tie-in books. Morrison even suggested that had he been able to know what happened in Death of the New Gods he would have changed Final Crisis to better incorporate it, even though those events were so stupid that Morrison's killer (effectively old age) was much better. He did change the virus name to match the one in Countdown even though they did different things in the two books. Rucka completely ignored Countdown for Revelations because he was straight-up finishing his story from 52 under the premise of Final Crisis being the day evil won.

Doomsday Clock shouldn't have any of this because it's still a standalone book with a set number of issues. The Button was to erase Flashpoint which wasn't supposed to reboot the DC Universe originally, but be more like Age of Apocalypse, where for a while the universe was different then it came back as before with minor changes that hung over. We just took a five year plus detour to do that. That's why the other appearances of Manhattan have been to do the same things to the New 52, like how he erased Pandora, who was the one who originally "combined the three universes" in the wake of Flashpoint and created the New 52.

Flashpoint never happened as we knew it, so the New 52 never happened as we knew it, so Convergence probably didn't happen as anything other than a crazy Braniac scheme thing instead of literally universe altering. No matter what, I'm just going to pretend Convergence never happened other than as a wacky adventure that killed half the main cast of Earth 2 before sending them to their new planet for the rest of that slowly degrading story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 09:51:47 PM
Fyi (IIRC) Mr. Oz isn't actually related to Doomsday Clock, despite his name and everything else about him making it seem like he's obviously Ozymandias from Watchmen. Instead, he's:

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Superman's dad who got his mind warped in the Phantom Zone. I think?
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That's been in Action Comics I think, which I don't follow. Just Superman and Jon-boy for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 09:54:23 PM
Also speaking of Mr. Oz and Tim, I'm finally starting "A Lonely Place of Living" arc in 'Tec which is supposed to explore that more.

It better be good if it's using that name!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 25, 2017, 09:57:12 PM
The Button was to erase Flashpoint which wasn't supposed to reboot the DC Universe originally, but be more like Age of Apocalypse, where for a while the universe was different then it came back as before with minor changes that hung over. We just took a five year plus detour to do that. That's why the other appearances of Manhattan have been to do the same things to the New 52, like how he erased Pandora, who was the one who originally "combined the three universes" in the wake of Flashpoint and created the New 52.

Nah, DC wanted to start over as a way to attract new readers.  It also worked for a time, IIRC, as their sales increased line-wide.  It wasn't a huge increase from what I remember, but it was enough that they considered it a success.

Am guessing they started bringing everything back when the sales must have started declining again?  Just speculation on my part, but maybe like Marvel they're focusing on getting their money from movies instead.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 09:57:19 PM
Neonomicon:
This temporarily caused a big hubbub when it came out collected as libraries were picking it up and then parents were seeing what the fuck was in it.

One of my nearby public libraries has a copy of it, I wonder if I'm the only one to ever check it out or see what's in it. Though the library system did change as they were acquiring more graphic novels how they shelved them, the superhero books mainly being shelved near the Young Adults, and the "Mature" works like that, Walking Dead, etc. being shelved in a different area. My favorite part of this is that of the three libraries I generally visit, two libraries shelve all Morrison works in the Mature section, except Batman & Robin at the one, while the other shelves it with all the other DC superhero stuff. Good luck finding Batman R.I.P. on the first try without looking it up as the most prominent example.

One also shelves Absolute Final Crisis in Mature, but regular collected Final Crisis joins all the rest of Morrison's DC stuff in the superhero books. I think all Absolute does outside of being oversized is include the sketchbook and "Director's Cut" of #1 with Morrison's side notations? Maybe it just doesn't fit in the height of the racks in the superhero area. That'd probably make the most sense.

Nah, DC wanted to start over as a way to attract new readers.  It also worked for a time, IIRC, as their sales increased line-wide.  It wasn't a huge increase from what I remember, but it was enough that they considered it a success.
Yeah, yeah, that's what DC Editorial wanted to do. But Johns hadn't originally written Flashpoint to do that, it was supposed to just "replace" the universe temporarily which is why the main book is so tightly tied to just The Flash with the rest of it all being fleshed out in the tie-ins. Flashpoint was the only event they had that they could change to do it in the timespan to do it. I guess the original idea started during Blackest Night but it was too late to change that or Brightest Day while Flashpoint was far enough out still. (The funny thing being that Brightest Day had already brought back to life a whole bunch of characters to set off on adventures just for the whole thing to get trashed months later.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 25, 2017, 09:58:37 PM
Neonomicon:
This temporarily caused a big hubbub when it came out collected as libraries were picking it up and then parents were seeing what the fuck was in it.

 :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 09:59:41 PM
I do think they wanted to stick with New 52 as long as possible, and tbh they still are, but they're using Rebirth as an in-canon way to explain them adjusting things to please fans better, like pre-New 52 Superman coming back.

:rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 25, 2017, 10:01:54 PM
No matter what they do, when you make superhero comics with tons of characters and all that continuity, it is going to make jumping on difficult for some readers. 

So I thought the whole point of doing "Earth One" or "All-Star" comics was to create stuff that anyone can pick up and read without worrying about continuity.  Ditto with Marvel's Ultimate comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 10:07:36 PM
Earth One's been great so far I think. Need to read TT vol. 2.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 10:09:38 PM
Thoughts from way back when:

I didn't realize Teen Titans: Earth One was released last month (http://www.newsarama.com/20701-dc-comics-announces-teen-titans-earth-one-for-2014-three-more-earth-one-ogns-in-works.html), and that DC had planned on continuing the Earth One line.

For those who don't know, Superman: Earth One (Volume 1) was released in 2010 to mixed reviews. Volume 2 and Batman: Earth One followed in 2012 and seemed to have gotten a better reception. Teen Titans: Earth One was released last month and it seems a lot of people love it. Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman: Earth One, Volume 3 of Superman, and Volume 2 of Batman are planned for 2015. (Earth One is a graphic novel series, hence the elongated release schedule.)

It seems like Earth One will be DC's take on Marvel's Ultimate line (a self-contained reboot updating old characters in a modern continuity), after the All-Star imprint went down in flames (for a variety of reasons, half of it being Frank Miller's insanity and the other half being the first two titles -Superman and Batman- didn't even exist in the same universe.) There's been some confusion that the Earth One titles don't exist in the same universe either (Teen Titans sets it up that they're not sidekicks and seem to be the only superpowered beings around, hence no Robin or Superboy), but I've heard Multiversity confirms they do.

In any case, there's hope that Earth One will turn out better than Ultimate if only because DC seems to be taking their time with it (they have to because of the graphic novel format.) Without the constant pressure to get issues out every single month, the universe will likely end up being smaller but more thoughtfully developed. That's my hope, anyways.

Teen Titans: Earth One Vol. 1

This was my first Earth One graphic novel, and it got me wondering if Batman and Superman got such drastic reinterpretations of their origins in their Earth One books. To put it lightly, everything is reimagined here, and for the most part it works pretty well. I don't have an issue with the origin being such a departure, far from it. It feels fresh. But it also backs the book into a couple corners that were obviously hard to write out of.

Basically, the "teen titans" (never called such in-universe, and only alluded to by being apart of the "Titans Program") are a deliberately diverse set of youngsters who don't even know each other (other than Cyborg and Terra, who are dating) when the book starts. When they do get to know each other, they chafe and argue as is the cliche for teens. To be honest, I'm not sure if it was lazy writing to have them fighting amongst themselves so much, or an accurate reflection of normal teenagehood. Reflecting on my own teen years, I can't remember being so brazen, but I also didn't have to deal with superpowers popping up out of nowhere.

Yeah, this book takes more than a few cues from the X-Men. Which is probably just as well, since DC repurposed the Teen Titans to rip them off with New Teen Titans in the 80's.

The teens are essentially all set up to have the same, connected origin story, which reminds me of the way Hollywood usually goes about its adaptations of these things. It works but oftentimes feels like a shortcut, a way of introducing all of them, showing how unique each character is, and bringing them all together in the same book. I can't blame them for that. However, I will blame the writers for some eyeroll-worthy plot contrivances (the main one being Starfire not only causing all their powers to activate at the same time, but directing them all to her telepathically since she's imprisoned Superman-during-Flashpoint-style.)

I was reading the IGN review for this and they seemed to say the only negative was how Deathstroke is portrayed, but I disagree. Like the rest of the book, I think it's a fresh and interesting take on the character. All these characters are. They come off a little like a grab-bag of politically-correct new-age character templates (this one's the one with the drunk parent, this one's the one with the gay dads, etc.) but I won't fault it for that since this book is aimed at kids/teens and I know how happy it is to see someone you feel represents you in a major book like this.

The book sets up quite a bit of dangling threads, like the "Blackfire initiative," Raven joining up with the main team, Starfire's entire character, and a vision-wall of potential future team mates (including, curiously, a bat symbol.) But mostly I want to see the team become a team. The characters here don't actually ever end up becoming a "team" or doing anything heroic. They haven't earned the book's namesake yet. If Volume 2 accomplished anything, that's the bare minimum.

3 / 5
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 10:13:22 PM
Earth One's problem is who they hired for writing/drawing them and how DC publishes them (prestige hardbacks) which combine to mean nobody can write them in a semi-timely manner except Morrison who apparently has two of them (Wonder Woman #2 and a version of The Flash when it was assumed JMS was dropping it) all but finished that DC is sitting on.

JMS apparently won't give up Superman and Johns won't give up Batman so nobody else can expand off those. Though Green Lantern is timed for a 2018 release date and I assume Morrison will have a much easier time of putting out his Wonder Woman's after the movie. I have a feeling Aquaman will have a date for his finally with the movie coming....

Superman's release dates: 2010 -> 2012 -> 2015.
Batman: 2012 -> 2015 -> 2019?

Morrison probably could get to three volumes of Wonder Woman before Superman gets to four, despite starting six years later. And maybe even before Batman gets to three.

All-Star only led to Morrison's Superman, nothing else was ever released from it, GODDAMN NOTHING. The current Snyder title is unrelated and supposed to just convey that it tells multiple stories that don't follow each other as a new kind of Batman anthology with all the best villains, etc. while being potentially free from canon or going into the past, etc. (He hasn't done too much of this though.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 10:19:52 PM
Teen Titans: 2014 -> 2016

Yeah these things definitely trickle out but I like that, when one hits it's sort of a big deal (for me anyways) and I like that they're taking their time with them.

If they could line it up so we get two a year during the other series' off years that'd be great. Like:

2018: Green Lantern and Wonder Woman
2019: Batman and Superman?
2020: Teen Titans and Aquaman

Then repeat, so 2021 is GL and WW, etc. But that obviously won't happen. :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 10:25:00 PM
All-Star only led to Morrison's Superman, nothing else was ever released from it, GODDAMN NOTHING.

What are you, dense? Are you distinguished mentally-challenged or something?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 25, 2017, 10:26:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Br2IwRhNB88
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 10:27:35 PM
Batman more drastically changes his "world" than Superman's origins which more "update" than seriously change, in part because New 52 ripped off a lot of the ideas in Earth One in terms of the fact that Clark as like a blogger or something makes more sense than GUMSHOE REPORTER. Also Clark rather than hiding his powers like breaks every sports record and stuff before becoming bored with his powers's advantages.

In Batman, his Alfred is a more extreme version of Alfred's royal marine background, so Bruce is mainly trained for combat, though Alfred left at some point so he's nowhere near as polished as our Bruce. He doesn't know very much in terms of detective work. Gordon gives him tips. Harvey Bullock gets the most drastic reworking. Though Harvey Dent is a set of twins (get it?) who one was a lover of Bruce's or something. It also makes the Riddler "deadlier" rather than a joke which Snyder would also do for New 52.

Superman Earth One is much much better than JMS's work on the actual Superman comics. (I know a high bar...but still.)

I actually kinda forget Wonder Woman exactly or if I'm confusing it with one of her other three reboot origins recently. I want to say Earth One is the one that I thought the movie was lifting a bunch of the pre-MANS WORLD stuff from. IIRC, it even has the "twist" about Diana's mother's decision on if she can go with Steve Trevor or not.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 25, 2017, 10:28:18 PM
(http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/14941075/images/1305516931782.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 10:33:51 PM
JMS might not even be at terms with DC anymore at this point, and they may have just decided to not do another Superman book until one or two of the others catch up (namely Batman I assume), or else have people start the other characters and sit on Superman until they at least have a book for each of the Justice League going.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 10:34:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/wuCFsIZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 10:35:13 PM
JMS might not even be at terms with DC anymore at this point, and they may have just decided to not do another Superman book until one or two of the others catch up (namely Batman I assume), or else have people start the other characters and sit on Superman until they at least have a book for each of the Justice League going.

Justice League: Earth One would be some of the hypest shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 25, 2017, 10:41:36 PM
I wish they'd go back and do more period stories.  Not just one-shot Elseworlds type stuff, but on-goings.  Like Superman and Batman in the 30s (or Batman in the 20s), Wonder Woman during WWII, etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 10:42:06 PM
The funny thing is that Batman is just barely starting to introduce the CRAZIES, the Riddler is the main villain of 2 but I don't think they catch him or he even appears or anything I'd have to look, Batman runs into Killer Croc in the sewers who helps him out because he's just a dude with a skin condition ya know, and they hint at some of the others to come, but it's still mainly corruption or whatever. Like The Penguin was the Mayor of Gotham which you know may lead to corruption issues.

Meanwhile Superman has fought like two intergalactic invasions centered on Metropolis and him. And one of them is like another last survivor of Krypton or something who tries to trick Clark into helping him wipe out Earth. (hi New 52 storylines)

Also, Lex Luthor is twins both named (A)Lex(ander(ia)) Luthor. And JMS shows his powers of GETTING RADICAL by having...THE FEMALE LEX...be the bad guy!
Justice League: Earth One would be some of the hypest shit.
I don't know if I'd prefer them bringing all the Earth One Big Seven together or having some kind of a totally different Justice League for Earth One.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 25, 2017, 10:44:40 PM
What's with the twins obsession in Supes and Bats EO? :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 10:55:00 PM
It has to be just coincidence because the H. Dent Twins are introduced in Batman Volume One in just one panel, and the Luthor Twins get like two panels in Superman Volume Two as setup for Volume Three.

But according to wikipedia Batman was July 2012 and Supes was November 2012 so maybe JMS had time to swipe the idea and use it (Volume Three was Feb 2015) before Johns (Volume Two with the Dents as main characters was May 2015) even if his way was completely stupid as it was the only way he'd written the setup as potentially ending unless he was going to completely throw out the Luthor character as a villain.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 11:43:42 PM
Really though...

All you need from the Watchmen side is the original graphic novel.

From the DC side, you need the following facts:

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- The New 52 in 2011, launched in-canon by the Flashpoint storyline, rebooted the DC universe approximately 10 years earlier than it was set at the time. Things were shifted around in a reboot-y way, like both of Superman's human parents being killed at the same time by a car accident, but it was essentially the same DC. It did wipe out the Caucasian Kid Flash and Flash from the 90s-2000s (Wally West) and replace him with a black counterpart.
- The Superman from before the New 52 somehow survived with that reality's Lois Lane and his newborn son, Jonathan "Jon" Kent.
- Convergence led to that Superman, Lois, and Jon entering the New 52 version of the DCU right around the time the New 52 Superman died. They existed separately and in-secret during this time.
- The Superman Reborn storyline combined the pre-New 52 and post-New 52 Supermen and Lois Lanes into singular beings. Despite the new Superman taking most of his character and history from the pre-New 52 version, his parents' deaths remained the post-New 52 version (car accident at the same time.)
- Batman found The Comedian's button (from Watchmen) in the Batcave. He teamed up with The Flash in their crossover ("The Button") and discovered someone stole 10 years from the DC universe (AKA the New 52.)
- All things point to that "someone" being Doctor Manhattan.
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Benji spank me if I got any details wrong.
The one thing you got wrong is that New 52 started "five years earlier" than its launch date (aside from the flashback stuff like Morrison's Action Comics and the first arc of Justice League) it became ten by the time we get to Rebirth because it'd been another five years.

Really, had New 52 not erased the Superman they then brought back and altered The Flash. (And erased the JSA grumble grumble.) They wouldn't have had to unwind the New 52. Basically every other book that hadn't gone too far off the rails went on like nothing had changed.

Wonder Woman doesn't count because her book was already in a mess, that New 52 fixed before the second writing team came in (this happened to other books...like Superman ones and Batgirl) and did stuff that everyone wanted to roll back with Rebirth. Rucka really wrote more around the Azzarello's revisions and tweak them than he did directly contradict them and revert Diana back. Even if he did totally write an equivalent to Community's whole "oh, that happened during the gas leak" explanation.

Batman's canon armor has allowed him to chug on during the whole period unchanged, even though he's the one who causes the most problems regarding the compressed time line with all the Robins, etc.

The lines about someone having "stole" ten years from them shouldn't make sense to the characters really. It could make sense to Doctor Manhattan (though he perceives time differently) and also us by what Johns probably means (the New 52), but the characters had to have had more "stolen" to leave the New 52 state at the five year point, all the events from Crisis to Flashpoint didn't take place over just five years. And we know they can't "restore" the "missing" ten years.

Though I just realized Johns might mean something like today is 20 years from Crisis. The ten years Manhattan stole were the ten before Flashpoint. Leaving the five years we didn't really see during New 52, and New 52's five years. So on a sliding time scale, Crisis was now say 1996 rather than 1986, and Manhattan pulled out 1997-2007, then slid Crisis down to 2006.

I'm using Crisis here to refer to the "time period/reboot" not the actual event in the series and its actual details like Supergirl dying, much like DC has done ever since it, Crisis was some kind of universal mega event shortly after heroes started to appear and they proliferated rapidly after. New 52 kinda used Darkseid's invasion in Justice League as its Crisis point. Batman, Superman, etc. were established as existing before it, but 99% of heroes/villains were not active, and those that did were just getting started. (The DCEU backfilled in this explanation for the lack of heroes/villains outside of Batman/Superman/Wonder Woman in Suicide Squad, when Waller notes that Superman's public appearance was somehow tied to the rise of metahumans as a thing they have to live with now. It being tied to an unspecified major galactic or universal event known as a Crisis makes a bit more sense, especially since you can say it activated their powers or what have you. Rather than being inspired by seeing a dude fly around into half of the buildings of downtown Metropolis.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 25, 2017, 11:54:11 PM
Actually, now that I think about it, doing it that way potentially allows you to make it so Watchmen exists in the same universe as DC. Back in the "new" 1986, then the events we're seeing in Doomsday Clock set after Watchmen, then nearly 15+ years before "DC" starts up again and Manhattan had to remove the conflicting years for some cosmic reason. But I really hope that's not what Johns is planning.

I don't think he's planning Manhattan as a villain either, just someone operating at a scale and perception we can't understand and maybe even Superman can't unless he's Superman Ten Million or whatever. Which is why Veidt and the others in Watchmen (including himself) all considered him too dangerous for humanity, much like I imagine at least Batman will.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2017, 12:01:42 AM
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Batman's canon armor has allowed him to chug on during the whole period unchanged, even though he's the one who causes the most problems regarding the compressed time line with all the Robins, etc.

Yeah this was really the only downside for New 52 as far as Batman went. Tim got the worst of it, too. >:( Thankfully Rebirth is seemingly the "all your old faves are back!!" play with Tim and white Wally West ("Triple W") back in full-force. Plus the post-Crisis Supes basically subsuming the N52 one which I always hated.

"Tim back" meaning: shedding that dumb as fuck costume, abandoning (both) Teen Titans incarnations cause they were trash fires, dating Steph (though really, that was one thing that DID get pretty resolved before the N52 started, AND in one of the throwaway Convergence books), and just feeling more like himself than he ever was during the N52 era. I fully believe the writers on Tec that they're huge Tim Drake fans, it shows. Which makes me think it was a DC editorial decision to "kill" him before Doomsday Clock, since they're bringing him back in the arc I'm reading (Lonely Place of Living.)

Now, if only he could get his real Red Robin costume... you know, the one that's basically fully red and doesn't look like his OG Robin costume.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2017, 12:10:14 AM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 26, 2017, 12:45:06 AM
I don't think she's supposed to represent anyone we know, just one of the earliest of the Owls or one that effectively operates outside time/space to communicate with the trapped Bruce. Snyder's original "nursery rhyme"/scary limerick was about how the Owls are always watching and every other part of that rhyme has been used throughout his run.

She could potentially be Keira...Hawkgirl/Hawkwoman as they're immortal...but I think she's just an Exposition Owl for lack of character name. Who was watching the start of the "war" and so could tell Bruce about this. I assume that the skeleton around her neck is a bat. I mention that because Vandal Savage in Return of Bruce Wayne has a noticeable necklace of bird skulls before he takes it off for sexy time with some ladies. And Exposition Owl is showing him what I think is the aftermath of that book's ending. (Defeat of Savage who gets kicked out of his clan, founding of Bat tribe and founding of Bird tribe. The staff with the giant Bat pelt she stabs into the ground was one Savage had claimed off of the Hyper-Adapter/Barbatos and Bruce used to cloak himself for the fight.)

If she means anything it'll probably be most likely explained in Hawkman Found. Part of the delays and scope expansion of this was that Johns signed off on letting Snyder bring those two back into the DC Universe finally free of their nonsense canon. One thing, since you mentioned reading the side stories (of which I kinda liked Gotham Resistance more than I assumed even if the explanation for the Nightwing stuff was months ago in his own book), is that for all of these and Lost we don't have just Snyder. But Tynion and Williamson are contributing. And I'm not as familiar with all their other stuff as Snyder so I can't tell you if she or some of these others have come from that stuff.

I still think she's just Exposition Owl.
Makes sense, she just seemed to stand out as more for me for whatever reason, and yes I read all the tie ins, Nightwing stuff included, I was mostly finishing of Gotham city Resistance and then Lost since I was up to date with everything else. Had to go reread White Knight #2 as well, because :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2017, 08:38:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/b4PKrSB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ens4PUD.png)

DC teasing TimxKon. :o

They really do love Timmy. <3
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 26, 2017, 10:21:23 PM
Is it weird that Red Hood Jason Todd and Nightwing Dick are the only people I liked post Robin and the only Robin I actually liked as Robin is Damien (because he pairs with Dick so well)?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 26, 2017, 10:48:29 PM
No. It just means you're a sheep and DC has ignored Tim's potential outside of his awesome Red Robin series and now Tec Rebirth. :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 26, 2017, 11:09:51 PM
Rather a sheep than a Robin lover :-*

I generally feel the Robins do better when not in the bat books, when they do teen titans or solo it goes so much better than their role as emotional anchor for the bat. I like Damian cause he offers none of that and doesnt put up with any shit from Batman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 26, 2017, 11:25:42 PM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2017, 12:07:11 AM
Tim had the longest (argubaly only) Robin self series though, he had 200 issues worth of some test ground mini-series and then a regular series until R.I.P. (Plus he was in Young Justice and then the Titans for that whole period.)

I don't remember how long Damian's recent series was, couldn't have been for long as I think it started as New 52 was wrapping up. There's also We Are Robin :teehee

Dick's been Nightwing and Batman probably in more issues than he's been Robin post-Crisis. Heck, he even stopped being in the Batman books in the 1960s so he was only as Robin in Teen Titans. At this point he's probably been Nightwing in more issues than he was Robin.

More amusingly, Jason's been The Red Hood in more issues of anything than he was Robin. He was only Robin for a little 100 over issues or something including pre-Crisis. (He debuted like a year before it.) Jason's actually been in more issues as The Red Hood New 52 forward than he ever was as Robin.

In terms of publication time, even Damian is starting to get up there, we're at eight years with him as Robin officially. (Which was Dick's decision, not Bruce's.) Although to be fair, he was dead for a year or so, but so was Bruce.

Dick: 1940-1984 (but stopped appearing in any Batman books in 1969...so there was a small period where he was still the Robin in Titans, while Jason was Robin in Batman books)
Jason: 1983-1988
Tim: 1989-2009
Damian: 2009-
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 27, 2017, 12:53:28 AM
Yeah Jason's run was super short, lol.

Tim is the definitive Robin. Chuck Dixon was gawd.

Damian is fun, but I wonder where they can take him. The answer is Super Sons and Teen Titans, which do seem fresh thankfully. And Robin: Son of Batman was pretty fun if superfluous.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 27, 2017, 12:59:05 AM
Damian is fun, but I wonder where they can take him.
This is another reason why I like Damian, his future isnt exactly obvious. His eventual stand alone will be either horrible or terrific.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 27, 2017, 01:19:49 AM
This is another reason why I like Damian, his future isnt exactly obvious.
Shots fired at Batman #666, #700, Superman/Batman #75, etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 27, 2017, 01:50:06 AM
Everything up to and including the current Tec arc basically point to Damian burning down Gotham when he becomes Batman. :lol

Apparently Timmy even kills the guy. :shh

Or, as future-Batman-Tim said, "Damian should be killed on site for what he did to that poor Kryptonian boy."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 27, 2017, 01:54:53 AM
But it's not obvious, there's hinting but this is obviously not what he will become, cant see him becoming straight laced either so I'm curious how and where he ends up and whom he keeps company with as an adult.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 28, 2017, 02:24:17 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/bFldkRN.png)

Canon TimCon <3

(https://i.imgur.com/oGCnXde.png)

This is a callback to Damian vs. Tim in the Red Robin: The List storyline. :o

(https://i.imgur.com/0J8pCK5.png)

Aww yeaaah dasss the gud stuffff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 28, 2017, 07:47:06 PM
https://twitter.com/Seanbabydotcom/status/935169656821710849

:uguu
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 28, 2017, 09:51:10 PM
I shall henceforth be known as Paprika Van Damme
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 29, 2017, 10:15:32 PM
Wait people are actually offended or is this the usual bleedingcool stupidity?  :neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 29, 2017, 11:50:50 PM
Wait people are actually offended or is this the usual bleedingcool stupidity?  :neogaf

There's more to it than just the guy using a fake name.  Fake biographies and other industry people lying about him, claiming he was the real deal.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 30, 2017, 12:39:48 AM
Is it stupid? yes. Is this guy a giant weeb? Absolutely! Who cares what Marvel had him do 10 years ago for that Mangaverse tho, why even bring this up? :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 30, 2017, 01:14:03 AM
Apparently Marvel had a rule back then that you couldn't get paid for writing comics if you were an editor or something, and this guy flagrantly violated that to get ahead (and with the top brass' consent, seemingly.) Pretty shitty thing to do to your fellow editors and writers.

Plus, yeah, whew, all that Asian shit in his comics is just not a good look.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 30, 2017, 01:17:27 AM
https://twitter.com/Seanbabydotcom/status/935168936630349824

https://twitter.com/Seanbabydotcom/status/935170068144459777
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 30, 2017, 01:34:56 AM
By all accounts the guy is a terrible writer, and yeah being a fake writer for a mangaverse book when he was the editor of the mangaverse isnt a good look, but that it was done with Marvel's consent probably tells me it was more a need thing (needed writers for that dumb mangaverse stuff and couldnt fill them so did sly jobs on the cheap (i assume)). Who cares though? It was a decade ago and it's weird as fuck for us all, but why are people taking shots at the dude before his foot is even in the editor's office. Marvel under Axel Alonso was the hottest of trash and I'm interested in giving this guy a year to see if he has any effect on the quality of Marvel's books, attacking him right off the bat for petty things seems counterproductive to the max.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 30, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
Marvel under Axel Alonso was the hottest of trash and I'm interested in giving this guy a year to see if he has any effect on the quality of Marvel's books, attacking him right off the bat for petty things seems counterproductive to the max.

So you're willing to put the morality of the situation aside if you get some gud comics, gotcha.

Honestly dude should have gotten raked over the coals years ago when Bleeding Cool was first investigating it. Unfortunately everyone at Marvel lied through their teeth to protect this dude for some reason. What a stupid and ugly situation.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 30, 2017, 01:49:49 AM
What moral threshold was crossed here? Ethics? Sure. Morals? slow down there, he seemingly broke company rules with company consent, ethically all over the place but im not sure what this has to do with morals.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 30, 2017, 01:51:20 AM
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Honestly dude should have gotten raked over the coals years ago when Bleeding Cool was first investigating it
Sure I can agree with this, but the fault seems to be more Marvel and their hierarchy, why are we pinning this squarely on one dude? 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 30, 2017, 02:14:43 AM
TIL morals and ethics are completely divorced from each other.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on November 30, 2017, 02:27:34 AM
TIL morals and ethics are completely divorced from each other.
they arent the same thing either mate. editorial ethics and morality are not the same thing, ethics are rules (which he broke - with consent seemingly) morals are something more
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on November 30, 2017, 07:57:15 AM


Super Sons Annual warms my cold little heart:

(https://i.redd.it/yhuoprx31y001.png)

The Legion of Super Pets is back baby!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 30, 2017, 10:03:50 AM
I only read marvel through unlimited, so I’m always at least 6 months behind.

So, I have just finished up the first few issues of Secret Empire. Knowing how it all ends, I feel like this event was a huge missed opportunity. Evil Captain America and the United States of Hydra should have been drawn out more and made status quo across all books for like 18 months. I loved Dark Reign back in the day, because of the way they did that it seems like this could have been a fun status quo to mess with for a year or so in the same way.

I actually am enjoying the first few issues (even though I know it goes to shit and has a dumb ending).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on November 30, 2017, 10:10:17 AM
Everything about Secret Empire was hot garbage. It's only given a passing grade because it came after Civil War II and Inhumans vs X-men which were both far, far, worse.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 30, 2017, 11:04:52 AM
Everything about Secret Empire was hot garbage. It's only given a passing grade because it came after Civil War II and Inhumans vs X-men which were both far, far, worse.

Eh the concept of an "evil" cap was fine and i thought they engineered his take over well enough rather than being extremely blatant (it literally blindsided the heroes when it happened) but the issue was always gonna be how its reverted because that would not stick on such a character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 30, 2017, 11:56:48 AM
https://twitter.com/Seanbabydotcom/status/935168936630349824

https://twitter.com/Seanbabydotcom/status/935170068144459777

(https://i.imgur.com/ySTGpUd.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 30, 2017, 12:31:44 PM
Super Sons Annual warms my cold little heart:

(https://i.redd.it/yhuoprx31y001.png)

The Legion of Super Pets is back baby!

Despite Jon being my favorite part of the DCU post-Rebirth (aside from the Tim Drake stuff) I actually haven't started Super Sons, but it's next on my list now that I'm caught up on Tec.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on November 30, 2017, 01:03:09 PM
Just make sure you read Superman first as it sets it up. It's a great book, Tomasi is killing it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 30, 2017, 03:58:25 PM
Oh I've been keeping up with Superman since Rebirth started. Probably my favorite book of the last 1-2 years.

If you go back through this thread I'm pretty sure 90% of my posts are gushing about how great it is. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 01, 2017, 12:40:33 AM
Catching up on more Marvel and am running into someth8ng that has driven me nuts about Marvel editorial for a few years now. Unless it’s an A-list character, there is zero consistency to the personality of a character. Iron fist flips back and forth between being a goofy white sidekick who says dumb shit to some sort of serious bad ass with a daddy issue 2-3x per year.

Karnak can be the most dangerous inhuman, or some kind of Ambush Bug like joke depending on the series. It’s like their characters only exist as a set of powers and a name, but beyond that none of it matters.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 01, 2017, 09:11:00 AM
NINJA BATMAYNE COMING SOON  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wId8XY6y_HA

A number of the staff who worked on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are behind this...it's gonna be good. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on December 01, 2017, 09:47:14 AM
NINJA BATMAYNE COMING SOON  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wId8XY6y_HA

A number of the staff who worked on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are behind this...it's gonna be good.

Written by Akira Yoshida.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 01, 2017, 09:58:39 AM

Written by Akira Yoshida.

:respect

I almost put something similar into the post.  Almost.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 01, 2017, 10:19:31 AM
NINJA BATMAYNE COMING SOON  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wId8XY6y_HA

A number of the staff who worked on JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are behind this...it's gonna be good.

Yea this looks cool.

Robin with that haircut  :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2017, 01:07:20 PM
Tim Drake gets the shaft again :goty2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2017, 01:22:51 PM
Tim Drake gets the shaft again :phil
fixed for the real* Tasty?

*homosexual digital face performer
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 01, 2017, 01:30:51 PM
I wish. Best thing to come out of the second Teen Titans New 52 series was Timmy attending a gay pride parade.

Sadly the days of TimKon are over. :goty2

But dem hints in Tec about it coming back. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 01, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
4 more days for White Knight, 8 more for Mister Miracle :goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 01, 2017, 10:02:17 PM
Is white knight good? It looks interesting, but I didn’t pick it up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 01, 2017, 10:33:37 PM
Is white knight good? It looks interesting, but I didn’t pick it up.
It's interesting, we're only two chapters in it's not immediately evident that it's something amazing like Mister Miracle has shown in the same time, however I really liked the harley quin business in chapter two, It could turn out to be the best thing ever or banana man given time. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on December 01, 2017, 11:33:13 PM
Is white knight good? It looks interesting, but I didn’t pick it up.
It's interesting, we're only two chapters in it's not immediately evident that it's something amazing like Mister Miracle has shown in the same time, however I really liked the harley quin business in chapter two, It could turn out to be the best thing ever or banana man given time.

Well, the artist did give us Harely titties, so there is that. I'm waiting for the thing to finish, not sure if I dig the whole Joker as Social Justice icon idea.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Risible on December 02, 2017, 01:38:33 PM
Doing a quick skim of this page without any context was really something.  All I can tell you with any certainty is that there's a comic featuring shitty anime fan artwork of Wolverine in Japan and apparently Krypto fucked a cow.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 02, 2017, 03:07:51 PM
Doing a quick skim of this page without any context was really something.  All I can tell you with any certainty is that there's a comic featuring shitty anime fan artwork of Wolverine in Japan and apparently Krypto fucked a cow.

Trump's DC Universe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 03, 2017, 12:25:27 AM
The second issue of White Knight actually turned me off it a bit after the first was hilariously so deliberate, the Harley stuff was fine and hopefully gets explained better, but I wanted them to play The Joker being wronged straight for longer. Him immediately contacting Gotham criminals is too obvious, we should have seen attempts by them to pull the same thing with varying degrees of success to continue to build the pressure on Batman first.

And I don't think he's being used as a social justice icon, the panels I clipped were from the obvious CONSERVATIVE PUNDIT side of that fake show, and I think the book is BOTH SIDESING the thing by how The Joker is totally playing that pre-existing card of a "BLM/cop accountability" stand-in group. Someone obviously mentally ill, who was easily treated when a mad vigilante, a corrupt police department and Gotham mental health program with decades of failure were removed from the equation and has seemingly been endlessly wronged and tortured into his crimes would rightly be held up as a victim by our society too. At least I hope we wouldn't instantly dismiss it. Unless Al Franken did it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 03, 2017, 02:07:32 PM
Found another Eric de Noorman issue today at some fleamarket. Why are these damn things so hard to find...

Also got a bunch of Scrooge McDuck stuff. (Carl Barks)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on December 03, 2017, 09:09:38 PM
Read through Alan Moore's cosmic-horror-related trilogy of comics.  Will spoiler in case someone wants to read them.

The Courtyard:

Short, two-issue story about an FBI agent working undercover to investigate a series of murders where hands (and heads, IIRC) are cut off around New England.  The agent is an unlikable white supremacist-type who is only selected for the investigation because he is adept  at putting together the pieces for cases where very little evidence or connections are available. 
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Ends with him trying what he thought was a drug, but was actually him being put into a trance-like state and fed Lovecraftian language from a weird guy with a veil on his face and a lisp who is more than he seems.  After this, the agent goes insane and commits the same type of murders.
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Neonomicon:

Direct sequel to The Courtyard.  Four issues long.  Two other FBI agents continue the investigation and try to talk to the first guy, but it goes nowhere.  They then go undercover and infiltrate a weird sex cult. 
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Except that the cult members are aware of who they are, kill the male agent, and then start raping the female as they have an orgy that summons a weird fish man like creature.  They leave her with the creature, who rapes her repeatedly and then seems to understand that she wasn't there willingly and frees her.  Ends with her lying to her superiors about what happened to hide that she has been impregnated.  She goes to talk to the insane agent from the first story and starts speaking the same weird language.  He then goes 'sane' and realizes that she is carrying what is implied to be a cosmic god of some kind and says that she is a goddess.  They leave the asylum where he is committed, killing the guards.
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Providence:

Most of this 12-issue story is a prequel, taking place in the 1910s, but the last issue brings things back to the present and continues the story.  This focuses on a newspaper journalist who goes off around New England to do research for a book he wants to write and gets caught up in all sorts of weird Lovecraftian occult stuff.  H.P. Lovecraft himself is a character who shows up.  This story is generally pretty straight forward, but has some weird shit happen that is never explained...which I guess is kind of the whole M.O. for cosmic horror. 
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Lots of odd creatures and crazy events affecting time perception occur.  The big theme that is slowly revealed is that all the weird shit people dream is real and is part of another world that was once part of the "real world."  As it turns out, the main character is unknowingly playing a role of an information gatherer to set forth things that will bring the dream world back to reality.  Lovecraft's part is that while he thinks he is writing fiction, it is all "real" information being sent to his mind and his published works get more and more people in tune with this other reality.  The series ends back in the present with the dream world taking over and humans just going with the flow, since it is affecting their minds and they don't really notice what is happening.  It gets all crazy and the female FBI agent has her weird baby, who goes off to do whatever and the people left ponder how they are going to live in this new existence.
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It was fun to read, but bits of the last series made no sense at all.

I only have Neonomicon, and I had no idea that there was more to the story. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 05, 2017, 01:21:21 AM
I would have liked them playing 'good' Joker straight all the way until for some batman-reason he re-breaks, would have worked with the idea of the two feeding each other. While I don't know if this will turn out horrible or good, chapter 3 is out tomorrow and im excited to read more at least. It's a very different excitement to Metal (feels like a mosh pit) and Mister Miracle (feels like something special), I'd describe it as that feeling you get when you see a crowd gathered around something and you're curious about it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 05, 2017, 01:42:43 AM

https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7hi79v/the_robin_boys/
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'I’ll say it again. DC needs to put out a team up book with these four. It’ll have fun relationship dynamic akin to TMNT, and that’s what I think is really missing in the DC lineup.'   :ohhh :ohhh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 05, 2017, 07:36:33 AM
Yeah, maybe they could call it "We Are Robin."  :doge

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It always gets to me how all of them look so similar.   :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 05, 2017, 08:14:51 AM
Yeah, maybe they could call it "We Are Robin."  :doge

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It always gets to me how all of them look so similar.   :lol
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Well, Bruce has a type  :shaq
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 05, 2017, 11:09:20 AM
So mister miracle is good?

I may pick up some back issues, but I mean, it’s mister miracle.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 06, 2017, 12:36:36 AM
https://twitter.com/arealhumanbean_/status/937672593473236992
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bluemax on December 06, 2017, 01:48:42 AM
The second issue of White Knight actually turned me off it a bit after the first was hilariously so deliberate, the Harley stuff was fine and hopefully gets explained better, but I wanted them to play The Joker being wronged straight for longer. Him immediately contacting Gotham criminals is too obvious, we should have seen attempts by them to pull the same thing with varying degrees of success to continue to build the pressure on Batman first.

And I don't think he's being used as a social justice icon, the panels I clipped were from the obvious CONSERVATIVE PUNDIT side of that fake show, and I think the book is BOTH SIDESING the thing by how The Joker is totally playing that pre-existing card of a "BLM/cop accountability" stand-in group. Someone obviously mentally ill, who was easily treated when a mad vigilante, a corrupt police department and Gotham mental health program with decades of failure were removed from the equation and has seemingly been endlessly wronged and tortured into his crimes would rightly be held up as a victim by our society too. At least I hope we wouldn't instantly dismiss it. Unless Al Franken did it.

I agree with the part about being bummed about him turning to other criminals instead of him being genuinely wronged in this universe.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2017, 02:08:17 AM
So mister miracle is good?

I may pick up some back issues, but I mean, it’s mister miracle.
It's fucking amazing so far. I never really paid much attention to new gods stuff so this wouldnt have even been on my radar if I didnt get a recommend, it's however the best thing I've read in at least a decade.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2017, 02:26:22 AM
While you're waiting you could read the Seven Soldiers Mister Miracle series!

The actual Jack Kirby New Gods stories haven't aged that well. Though the one with Superman meeting the Forever People that DC republishes all the time, most recently in that special, I think for Darkseid War, a couple years ago, is hilarious because of how goofy the whole story is.

It contains one of my favorite things that early Marvel has too...Stan Lee and/or Jack Kirby trying to write dialogue with up-to-date slang for teenagers.

Actually, most of the New Gods stuff that's in their own books has never been that great. DC Editorial has always been goofy with it too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 06, 2017, 09:05:38 AM
So mister miracle is good?

I may pick up some back issues, but I mean, it’s mister miracle.
It's fucking amazing so far. I never really paid much attention to new gods stuff so this wouldnt have even been on my radar if I didnt get a recommend, it's however the best thing I've read in at least a decade.

I assume you mean the 2017 series, right?

Strangely I can only find the preview of issue 1 on comiXology (at least in the dc comics app).

It’s on the comiXology web page, but I typically buy everything out of the DC or Image iPad app so I can use my discounted iTunes cards.

Fucking weird. I hope it’s an oversight and not the start of a trend.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2017, 11:53:13 AM
Batman White Knight #3
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Interesting how Jason is Robin before Dick and how Bruce seems to love Jason most (According to Dick). I like the idea that without Alfred, Batman would just go on a rampage and end everything. Lmao how Batman is doing that side facing chest out pose multiple times. Not sure what they are doing with Napier, he's apparently straight and not the Joker, but engaging in criminal activity, are they intending him to be a rational genius that does whatever it takes to stop the Bat? Isnt that too close to some popular Lex Luthor runs?  :thinking

I didnt expect to see Harley #2 again tbh, an unexpected chess piece, but cant say I'm not interested in seeing her Joker. Lacks a lot of .. crazy so let's see where this goes. Still not entirely clear what this story is trying to be,m but I'll read the next one again.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 06, 2017, 11:54:16 AM
I assume you mean the 2017 series, right?
Yup
http://www.dccomics.com/comics/mister-miracle-2017/mister-miracle-1 (http://www.dccomics.com/comics/mister-miracle-2017/mister-miracle-1)
 :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2017, 04:58:07 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vBXcZF0.jpg)

 :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 06, 2017, 05:07:13 PM
How the Justice League movie should have been.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 07, 2017, 12:29:26 PM
Astonishing X-Men #6:

GUESS WHO'S KINDA-SORTA BACK FROM THE DEAD!?
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Professor X is brought back to the life after the Shadow King is defeated on the astral plane.  The Shadow King is taken out on "all fronts" as he is trying to come back into the physical world and is stopped on the astral plane at the same time.  My favorite part about this is that Prof. X is narrating how each X-Man is doing his/her thing in both the real and psychic planes, but somehow Rogue/Fantomex/Mystique are better suited for psychic combat than PSYLOCKE.   :doge  The reason given is ridiculous.

The issue ends with Charles back...in Fantomex's body.  He removes his mask (first time we see his face?) and says to just call him "X."  Uh...OK.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 07, 2017, 02:17:43 PM
I like how this page of Tintin was apparently too violent and had to be censored in later versions.

(https://i.imgur.com/CiieYtM.jpg)



Woah Tintin... Stop monkeying around.

(https://i.imgur.com/49sBwbA.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 07, 2017, 04:32:05 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/riverdale-archie-comics
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 09, 2017, 01:55:14 AM
When are you guys going to read White Knight #3? I wanna read your impressions :goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 09, 2017, 12:53:12 PM
Sorry, too busy catching up on Super Sons.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 09, 2017, 06:21:19 PM
Superman #36

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Superman accepts Darkseid's throne and becomes the new leader of Apokolips. :o

:rejoice
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 09, 2017, 06:37:09 PM
Also Superman #37 looks hype AF :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on December 09, 2017, 07:23:22 PM

https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7hi79v/the_robin_boys/
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'I’ll say it again. DC needs to put out a team up book with these four. It’ll have fun relationship dynamic akin to TMNT, and that’s what I think is really missing in the DC lineup.'   :ohhh :ohhh

This is like the one thing I'd like to see Bendis get put on when he starts at DC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 09, 2017, 07:27:24 PM
Everyone DID team up in Batman Eternal and Batman & Robin Eternal, which is why I bang on about that book so hard. If I was in charge of a new Batman show/cartoon, I'd base it on those books.

Red Robin also had a couple good arcs with everyone, except maybe Jason I think. The New 52 had a Batman & Robin team-up arc too, but it was just OK.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on December 09, 2017, 08:12:01 PM
When are you guys going to read White Knight #3? I wanna read your impressions :goldberg

I thought it was alright. I was kind of disappointed that they're making the Joker still a bad guy, rather than a legitimate good guy or at least an antihero. If this story doesn't end with him reverting back into the full-blown Joker by the end, I'll be honest to god shocked. I liked the twist of Jason being the first Robin. I remember hearing that this story takes place in a sort of Animated Series universe offshoot, so it's actually a pretty cool way to explain why we never saw Jason on the show all those years – the show started after Jason had died.
As disappointed as I was to see the return of Whorely Quinn, it does seem like an interesting wrench to throw in the works. I half expect Jack to kill her next issue, though.

Alfred dying to patch Bruce back up one last time was heartbreaking. That part was done so well. Easily the highlight of the series so far for me.

All in all my excitement for this series declines with every issue, however. It started off so good, but it feels like it's slowly following the standard comic book plotline we've all read so many times before. I suppose in that sense it's just my expectations for what this was going to be were way off, and it 's increasingly turning out to be something fairly typical.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 09, 2017, 11:25:05 PM
Superman #36

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Superman accepts Darkseid's throne and becomes the new leader of Apokolips. :o

:rejoice
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Quote
Heil Hydra.
:superman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 10, 2017, 02:01:52 AM
As last no as they don’t let bendis write any dialogue or plan any events it should be a good move
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 10, 2017, 11:13:27 PM
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12/20

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12/13

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12/06

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The waiting :goldberg
1/3 done, Mister Miracle in 2 days :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 11, 2017, 01:43:54 AM
Read Gerard Way's Doom Patrol which was fun, bringing back the characters from Morrison's run appropriately while adding some decent new characters.

And off that read The Umbrella Academy which for some reason I thought was about vampires before. Probably because I had just read it fifteen minutes earlier, halfway through the first issue I realize "this is totally fucking Doom Patrol" :lol

Shame he wastes all his time on his other "art" like his solo music career, rather than being timely with the promised followups to Academy and taking an entire year to put out three issues of Doom Patrol. (Didn't stop DC from giving him a second book though.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 11, 2017, 02:15:06 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/sh1eCqgl.png)

Super Sons is so good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2017, 02:32:06 PM
I haven't read DC since Flashpoint because New 52 kinda turned me off, but Dark Knights: Metal looks kinda cool and I'd like to get back into it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 11, 2017, 10:17:00 PM
I haven't read DC since Flashpoint because New 52 kinda turned me off, but Dark Knights: Metal looks kinda cool and I'd like to get back into it.
Do it! And read Mister Miracle :uguu
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 13, 2017, 11:34:07 PM
Mister Miracle #5 :rejoice
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The cover is beautiful, makes me sad in the same way To The Moon does though T_T

If I was drinking, the Jesus pose page would have had me spitting out my water. The look on their faces while listening to the moans of the damned, smiling and remembering back was funny. This chapter was absolutely heartbreaking to me till the last panel. Cant wait for the next one.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 14, 2017, 12:00:05 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/BcrtwhWlnFa/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BcrtwhWlnFa/)

@Tasty
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2017, 12:25:07 PM
Can they please retcon Dick's horrendous New 52 Robin outfit.

I mean I don't want to defend the green speedo and pixie boots, but the new one is just... terrible.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 14, 2017, 02:48:38 PM
Just realized the Disney deal hopefully means Marvel Comics will bring back FF and X-Men in force and stop being petty little bitches. Also hopefully kill the Inhumans or seriously sideline them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 14, 2017, 03:25:44 PM
Just realized the Disney deal hopefully means Marvel Comics will bring back FF and X-Men in force and stop being petty little bitches. Also hopefully kill the Inhumans or seriously sideline them.

What deal?

EDIT: "Disney Makes $52.4 Billion Deal for 21st Century Fox " 

Oh shit, PLEASE be the end of this movie nonsense shit and mutants are in the Marvel Movieverse! :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 14, 2017, 03:31:50 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/14/business/media/disney-fox-espn-tv.html?&moduleDetail=section-news-4&action=click&contentCollection=Media&region=Footer&module=MoreInSection&version=WhatsNext&contentID=WhatsNext&pgtype=article

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    In the 1990s, when Marvel was just starting out as a movie company, a licensing agreement gave control of the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchises to Fox. Disney bought Marvel for $4 billion in 2009; the deal with Fox brings optioned characters, including the edgy Deadpool, back into the Marvel fold.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkMoRufEWQo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 14, 2017, 09:16:56 PM
The marvel movies are mostly Mediocre as hell... so I guess I don’t really care either way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 14, 2017, 10:21:07 PM
Fox at least had 2 great (superhero) movies and a couple of really good ones, Marvel rarely goes far beyond a McDonald's movie. Yay for more vapid shit that leaves you unaffected and you forget the second you leave the cinema I guess.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 14, 2017, 11:43:15 PM
I just care that it means they will (hopefully) stop leaving those characters out of a lot of comics or removing them entirely. 

I take it you two haven't seen Thor Ragnarok?  Go see it.
 :nothot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 14, 2017, 11:50:46 PM
I have seen it, posted my thoughts in the movie thread, it's a fun action comedy that keeps you entertained for the duration, but lets not pretend it isnt exactly what i called it; a vapid mcdonald's movie that leaves you 5 mins after watching it. Identifying it as such isnt a criticism on it's own, some (most) go to the cinema exactly for that experience, look how hard BR bombed  :stahp
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 14, 2017, 11:55:13 PM
but lets not pretend it isnt exactly what i called it; a vapid mcdonald's movie that leaves you 5 mins after watching it.

Nope.  Not at all.  I want to watch it again...and I don't usually feel that way about Marvel movies.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 15, 2017, 12:07:19 AM
impasse  :yeshrug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 15, 2017, 12:51:23 AM
I get what you're saying and it fits a lot of their other movies...just not Thor.
:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 15, 2017, 05:41:18 AM
Regarding this Marvel movies talk. My main takeaway content-wise is wondering if the key Avengers actors or Disney are approaching first regarding the now totally up for grabs death scenes in Infinity War 2+ as their way out now that Marvel has a shit load of characters to fill in the gap before recasting.

Wait, no, Fiege is probably already making out a $100 million check to Downey Jr. for fifteen minutes in front of a green screen that becomes "him in the suit" in Avengers/X-Men with Doctor Doom as the villain. They can kill off Sam Jackson in Infinity War. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 15, 2017, 07:22:12 AM
I'm more upset at the thought they may marvel/disney up Firefly and try to make it an expanded universe or some dumb shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 15, 2017, 09:25:42 AM
Its cool that the universe is "whole" again and they can stop being fucking silly with the "no fantastic four because of reasons and lets push these godawful inhumans"

 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 15, 2017, 01:26:22 PM
Unrelated to the Disney deal, Marvel announced another BIG CROSSOVER EVENT for next year.  Despite them saying they would stop doing this for a while.   :doge  It's gonna be another Infinite story with Thanos.  I assume this is also where the resurrected Logan is going to pop up? 

And maybe that's a hint for things to come.  Something they could easily do at the end of Avengers Infinite War Part 2 (which is what...2019?) is copy the Age Of Ultron story and have someone say something about how all the shit with the infinite stones has ripped holes in space and time, and who knows what this means, blah blah blah.  Then have a post-credits seen added that has a bunch of street thugs trying to start shit with a guy, who we don't see, followed by a SNIKT noise.  Roll credits and there you go.

Its cool that the universe is "whole" again and they can stop being fucking silly with the "no fantastic four because of reasons and lets push these godawful inhumans"

They at least started bringing back the X-Men more over the past year or so (more books, anyway), but still have mostly kept them out of the spotlight with other Marvel characters.  Hope that this deal will finally change all that.

What I don't get is the Fantastic Four.  OK, shitty Fox FF movie #3 came out.  I get it.  But on the comics side, who cares?  What does that matter?  And all they really did was get rid of Reed, Sue, and their kids.  The Thing is still there (was put with the Guardians Of The Galaxy, then became a SHIELD agent, and now is just doin' thangs) and Johnny Storm was with the Inhumans for a while and is (was?) a part of an Avengers team.  And they gave Doom his own book (Infamous Iron Man).  So...?  ???

Inhumans TV being a huge flop was probably the nail in the coffin for them, but there's still AVENGERS all over the place.  Shove those scrubs aside and bring the X-Men back where they belong, please.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 15, 2017, 01:39:21 PM
Yeah I'm hoping Infinity War 2 pulls some reality-warp shit and we get to see, like, a Spider-Verse movie with all three actors reprising their roles (+ Miles cause why not.)

That'd be the dream...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 15, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
The X-books have slightly improved but will continue to be shit as long as there are child X-men running around.

I actually like the Inhumans more than I thought I would. Reader is pretty cool actually.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 15, 2017, 02:15:56 PM
There have always been X-kids running around.  ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 16, 2017, 09:46:50 AM
I like how you guys only read that awful Marvel crap.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 10:32:09 AM
 :confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 16, 2017, 12:06:22 PM
I like how you guys only read that awful Marvel crap.
I'm only reading DC and indies currently
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2017, 02:24:39 PM
I think the only thing Marvel in my entire collection is Age of Ultron, lol.

Compared to probably 1000+ issues of DC books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2017, 02:33:31 PM
Just did a count, I have 883 DC books on Comixology compared to 3 for Marvel (Age of Ultron and Avengers vs. X-Men.) :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 16, 2017, 04:30:05 PM
The joke was that you guys seemingly only read DC. Normally DC fan(atic)s get angry when you call it Marvel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 16, 2017, 05:20:51 PM
Oh. Uh... good one? :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 16, 2017, 08:54:46 PM
 :hhh :idont :huh :cac
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 17, 2017, 01:33:59 AM
The joke was that you guys seemingly only read DC. Normally DC fan(atic)s get angry when you call it Marvel.
I mean I dont think we're DC fanboys, I prefer DC yes, but the only reason I don't have marvel books in my rotation is that they've been complete shit for a while now (at least stuff that I care about) and not for NINTENDORKS SUX, SEGARULES stuff  :trumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on December 17, 2017, 04:10:16 PM
I mean, look at what DC is putting out right now, has been putting out since Rebirth compared to Marvel post Secret Wars.

I keep meaning to get into a Marvel thing here or there. Then I read impressions and figure I'll just wait until it's done and sub to Unlimited again. Then I forget to do that.

:yeshrug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on December 18, 2017, 03:44:49 AM
Most of what I read is old Vertigo stuff. (But don't tell anyone.  :shh )
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on December 18, 2017, 09:26:49 AM
I read Spider-Man, Renew Yours Vows and Amazing from Marvel, as well as Old Man Logan. I have no idea why I still read Amazing other than out of habit. I increasingly question why I read Spider-Man since it’s really sucked since Secret Wars, and RYVs because of the stupid time skip.

Old Man Logan is legit though. I normally hate Wolverine and wish they’d keep him dead in favor of keeping around the old grizzled version.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 18, 2017, 11:47:10 AM
I'd rather drink boiling hair gel than read current spiderman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: gfm793 on December 21, 2017, 11:40:07 AM
The X-books have slightly improved but will continue to be shit as long as there are child X-men running around.

I actually like the Inhumans more than I thought I would. Reader is pretty cool actually.

Yeah but none ofthe current books are as good as Bunn's Uncanny X-men from pre-IvX.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 21, 2017, 12:17:17 PM
DC turning future Tim into murder-happy Batman is no bueno. >:(

Even though I do like this crossover.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 21, 2017, 06:14:20 PM
When Tom King leaves I'm going to be sad:
(https://i.imgur.com/AbDVyf1.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 21, 2017, 07:56:54 PM
Dan Slott announced he's leaving Spider-Man.  #800 will be his last issue.  The last big new thing he's going to introduce is a 'new' character called The Red Goblin. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 21, 2017, 11:33:27 PM
Please let someone who's actually invested in making a great Spiderman take over
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 22, 2017, 05:20:09 PM
There have always been X-kids running around.  ???

I mean child and adult versions of the same character. That was a dumb storyline. And remains dumb. And the child version of all of the characters pretty much suck except for maybe Jean, who is sort of interesting because the adult one is dead. Also they all have Bendisy dialogue.

While I thin slott has made some bad moves on Spider-Man, I think I’ll still be somewhat sad to see him go, mostly because I suspect that it will be years before the book gets a stable creative team again. For the most part I like Slotts individual storylines but I hate how he has mucked with the status quo over the years.

The idea that spider man should be single was based on the idea that it was somehow holding his story back, but I just don’t see that looking back. Besides tge introduction of Carlie, who I think might be dead since she hasn’t been in an ASM book since before secret wars, the only other thing that being single allowed Spidey to do was fuck a midget.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 23, 2017, 02:16:57 AM
There have always been X-kids running around.  ???

I mean child and adult versions of the same character. That was a dumb storyline. And remains dumb. And the child version of all of the characters pretty much suck except for maybe Jean, who is sort of interesting because the adult one is dead. Also they all have Bendisy dialogue.

It's been a while since things have been like that.  At this point the characters are different enough anyway, except for Cyclops, but it doesn't really matter since adult Cyclops is dead.  Angel and Beast are pretty different from their adult counterparts.  It's Iceman who is pretty much the same to me.  Making him gay doesn't really change anything.  Then you have Jimmy Hudson and Bloodstorm on the team, plus Magneto and Polaris as mentors.  The story is kind of becoming more like a new Exiles now- They just had a crossover with the other X-Men team where they were in Mojoworld and now they're traveling through time and were in an altered 2099 time last issue.

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While I thin slott has made some bad moves on Spider-Man, I think I’ll still be somewhat sad to see him go, mostly because I suspect that it will be years before the book gets a stable creative team again. For the most part I like Slotts individual storylines but I hate how he has mucked with the status quo over the years.

I came in a late to Slott's run and I think I missed at least 80-something issues that he wrote.  Maybe I should go back and read them sometime.  But I largely enjoyed the 100+ issues I've read of his run and liked how he did some crazy shit with the character.

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The idea that spider man should be single was based on the idea that it was somehow holding his story back, but I just don’t see that looking back. Besides tge introduction of Carlie, who I think might be dead since she hasn’t been in an ASM book since before secret wars, the only other thing that being single allowed Spidey to do was fuck a midget.

 :lol

Not even him...that was Doc Ock in his body.  He's dating Mockingbird now.  I think Carlie is still around but hasn't been featured in the books in a long time.  I wish they'd just get him back together with Mary Jane and was actually hoping that Secret Wars would have ended with things like One More Day being erased (and the original X-Men going back to their time, among other things).  Instead we just got a book based on the alternate universe Spidey/MJ/their kid trio.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 23, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
I only read Marvel on unlimited, so I’m always 6 months behind the real books, I think they are just starting the mockingbird/Spider dynamic.

The changes to the x-kids seem interesting. I liked exiles, and wouldn’t mind a spiritual successor.

I agree about Secret Wars. IMO, Marvel really dropped the ball on that. They really could have used it to make some really interesting status quo shifts, but didn’t.

Was it ever explained why some of the axis reversed characters are back to normal and some aren’t? Iirc, superior iron man was still evil when the worlds collided. But then after Secret Wars he’s just back to normal... but saber tooth is still good? Shit doesn’t even make sense using comic book logic.

Agreed re: Mary Jane. The worst thing about one more day is that it makes Mary Jane an afterthought. There’s really no reason for her to even be in Marvel, really.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 24, 2017, 12:34:05 AM
Dark Knights Metal #4
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I am Daniel - Castlevania reject  :heh
KENDRA BECAME FEMTO  :sabu 
CARTER BECAME A METAL VERSION OF VIRGIL FROM MIGHTY MAX   :crowdlaff
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I fucking love this dumb shit :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2017, 12:53:56 AM
Dark Nights has been fun for sure.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2017, 12:54:51 AM
Also Sandman/Daniel is a Neil Gaiman thing from like 1987.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2017, 12:56:08 AM
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I am Daniel - Castlevania reject  :heh
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you takin shots at the wrong boy bb :ufup

i had totally forgot that he's carter's grandson, that's why he's involved and Batman went to him back earlier

also "my god... it's the astral brain of the anti-monitor! she has brought it to compressed form!" i bet is something nobody ever thought would be printed

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my favorite part was deathstroke just smashing the glass and then pointing out that he couldn't hear the fucking fish talking
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2017, 12:59:01 AM
Also Sandman/Daniel is a Neil Gaiman thing from like 1987.
oh we are so not doin this right now

momo is allowed his ignorance because he's new to the DC Lore
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 24, 2017, 01:03:03 AM
:D
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 24, 2017, 01:09:28 AM
If you don't read Batman normally, you should this week (maybe along with last issue #36 which was the setup issue for this one) as Clark and Lois go on a double date with Bruce and Selina. To the Gotham County Fair.

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Bruce and Clark both becoming obsessed with whether or not Clark could strike him out. :delicious
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 24, 2017, 03:17:04 AM
I liked the bit where superman thinks batman is the best and batman thinks superman is the best for completely opposite but the same reasons.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on December 25, 2017, 11:28:13 PM
I’ve been very down for the most part on Tom King’s Batman run, but everything since the terrible War Of Jokes & Riddles ended has been pure gold. Batman 36 & 37 we’re both fantastic, and Batman Annual #2 was probably one of the best comics I think I’ve ever had the pleasure of reading.

Edit: I keep ending up at the top of a the page and feel bad because I have absolutely nothing insightful or eloquent to say ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2017, 11:41:45 PM
we need more tom king praising tho

the war of jokes and riddles seemed off plotting wise, like it had an extra issue added or had a chunk of the plot removed but not replaced...or maybe it was the order

it also was a let down because Bruce has totally done worse things when he wasn't a newbie, Selina's straight up murdered people and before that didn't exactly put too much effort into saving people... there was no reason for this to be the thing he needed to confide in her first

arguably considering their past relationship and history it shouldn't be, DC writers seem to remember Bruce's memory wipe by Zatanna and the JLA still, they don't remember Selina's personality change or her daughter (nor that Bruce helped fake the death of both and Zatanna then wiped Selina's memory of her daughter...maybe that's a secret he should tell his fiance instead of that he nearly killed The Riddler? just spitballing)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 25, 2017, 11:45:13 PM
Grayson was better. Read Grayson.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2017, 11:53:03 PM
STOP TRYING TO MAKE EVERYTHING EITHER OR

he should read grayson while he waits for more tom king batman

and we can all read mister miracle too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 25, 2017, 11:54:46 PM
and probably sheriff of babylon and the omega men too while we're at it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 26, 2017, 12:29:53 AM
and we can all read mister miracle too
You cunts seriously need to do this, it's like the greatest :goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 26, 2017, 03:49:14 AM
Sheriff of Babylon is based on his actual experiences in Iraq so I'm going to check that out, for some reason I think Grayson may be a bit exaggerated compared to his actual time in the CIA. Though I have no evidence to support such a claim.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 26, 2017, 09:02:32 AM
we need more tom king praising tho

the war of jokes and riddles seemed off plotting wise, like it had an extra issue added or had a chunk of the plot removed but not replaced...or maybe it was the order

it also was a let down because Bruce has totally done worse things when he wasn't a newbie, Selina's straight up murdered people and before that didn't exactly put too much effort into saving people... there was no reason for this to be the thing he needed to confide in her first

arguably considering their past relationship and history it shouldn't be, DC writers seem to remember Bruce's memory wipe by Zatanna and the JLA still, they don't remember Selina's personality change or her daughter (nor that Bruce helped fake the death of both and Zatanna then wiped Selina's memory of her daughter...maybe that's a secret he should tell his fiance instead of that he nearly killed The Riddler? just spitballing)

Eve Bat knows that sometimes with women you just have to let bygones be bygones.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 26, 2017, 09:24:22 AM

Was it ever explained why some of the axis reversed characters are back to normal and some aren’t? Iirc, superior iron man was still evil when the worlds collided. But then after Secret Wars he’s just back to normal... but saber tooth is still good? Shit doesn’t even make sense using comic book logic.


Nope!  :lol  With Iron Man, they just sort of dropped it.  His book abruptly ended and during the events leading up to SW, he was shown in his Superior armor, but acted like regular Tony.

Havok also just sort of reverted back to a more good guy-ish type, too.  Last I remember he kidnapped The Wasp, who had become his wife after a storyline event in Uncanny Avengers, and this was also unresolved and ignored.

At this point between Weapon X and All-New Wolverine, all the blade characters are good guys.  Do we really need Daken, Sabertooth, and even Lady Deathstrike all no longer being villains?  Old Man Logan, New-Wolverine, and recently-resurrected-but-not-back-in-comics-original-Wolverine aren't enough?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 26, 2017, 11:19:50 AM
That’s right, I do remember that about tony pre-Secret Wars. I always wrote that one off as “the world is about to end so tony just let the fuckery go for a bit”.

I believe Havok is still very grumpy though at least, last time I saw him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 26, 2017, 12:55:06 PM
I believe Havok is still very grumpy though at least, last time I saw him.

Yeah, but he straight-up kidnapped a woman and then months later, it's like nothing happened.  :lol
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 26, 2017, 01:15:50 PM
Also I wonder if his child with the Wasp will ever be brought up again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 26, 2017, 05:44:12 PM
I just read Secret empire #4 the other day and it just now dawned on me that I’m pretty sure neither intron/pun nor Nadia wasp ever mentioned anything about how they are related during that issue. I’m not even sure they have met before in a book.... you’d think it would rate a mention to meet your kid for the first time or to have seen them for the first time in xxxx months/years.

Edit: actually maybe Nads is with the other kids in the red room with Black Widow in this book. I can’t keep it all straight.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 26, 2017, 11:14:57 PM
DARK NIGHTS: METAL #5 ON SALE 1/31
MISTER MIRACLE #6 ON SALE 1/10
BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT #4 ON SALE 1/3

:rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 26, 2017, 11:26:00 PM
due to momo's continued shilling I've decided to check out Mr Miracle  :doge


But it feels like i need to read the older stuff to really get everything in order re Scott Free, Big Barda, etc as i know about them mostly from osmosis.


Also sorry for the delayed response.


Unrelated to the Disney deal, Marvel announced another BIG CROSSOVER EVENT for next year.  Despite them saying they would stop doing this for a while.   :doge  It's gonna be another Infinite story with Thanos.  I assume this is also where the resurrected Logan is going to pop up? 

And maybe that's a hint for things to come.  Something they could easily do at the end of Avengers Infinite War Part 2 (which is what...2019?) is copy the Age Of Ultron story and have someone say something about how all the shit with the infinite stones has ripped holes in space and time, and who knows what this means, blah blah blah.  Then have a post-credits seen added that has a bunch of street thugs trying to start shit with a guy, who we don't see, followed by a SNIKT noise.  Roll credits and there you go.

Its cool that the universe is "whole" again and they can stop being fucking silly with the "no fantastic four because of reasons and lets push these godawful inhumans"

They at least started bringing back the X-Men more over the past year or so (more books, anyway), but still have mostly kept them out of the spotlight with other Marvel characters.  Hope that this deal will finally change all that.

What I don't get is the Fantastic Four.  OK, shitty Fox FF movie #3 came out.  I get it.  But on the comics side, who cares?  What does that matter?  And all they really did was get rid of Reed, Sue, and their kids.  The Thing is still there (was put with the Guardians Of The Galaxy, then became a SHIELD agent, and now is just doin' thangs) and Johnny Storm was with the Inhumans for a while and is (was?) a part of an Avengers team.  And they gave Doom his own book (Infamous Iron Man).  So...?  ???

Inhumans TV being a huge flop was probably the nail in the coffin for them, but there's still AVENGERS all over the place.  Shove those scrubs aside and bring the X-Men back where they belong, please.

Seems the logic was that if the comics are around the movies will get some spotlight even though they are FUCKING TERRIBLE ???  it made no sense tbh.

But yea as you said certain characters are now guest stars in other books with arguably the best character being reformed and in that swag armor.




DC turning future Tim into murder-happy Batman is no bueno. >:(

Even though I do like this crossover.

Its cool to see him reach the potential he was always rumored to have but it seems whatever broke him even worse than Bruce which fucking says something.

more interested in
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seeing Conner, Cassie and Bart though and i wonder if they would do the thing you have been hoping for with Conner and him  :P
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 26, 2017, 11:34:15 PM
You only really need to know about the Scott Free x Orion kid swap deal and accept that Barda loves Scott as much as any person can love another, that's it.
minor spoiler - page 1 chapter 1
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It's almost better not knowing too much about how Scott is brought up so you can go through the emotional rollercoaster from the perspective of the viewer(odd word i know, but i use it for reasons), it starts with Scott trying to off himself and explores his mental and emotional state thereafter, it tells you what you need to know about why he's so fucked up as you need it.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 27, 2017, 12:09:17 AM
You only really need to know about the Scott Free x Orion kid swap deal and accept that Barda loves Scott as much as any person can love another, that's it.
minor spoiler - page 1 chapter 1
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It's almost better not knowing too much about how Scott is brought up so you can go through the emotional rollercoaster from the perspective of the viewer(odd word i know, but i use it for reasons), it starts with Scott trying to off himself and explores his mental and emotional state thereafter, it tells you what you need to know about why he's so fucked up as you need it.
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Actually that's some of the stuff i know (mainly the swap and him amounting to an escape artist due to his treatment).

I'll continue with that perspective though since i'm liking the inner thoughts being shown since it indicates hes having some...issues. 

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 27, 2017, 01:40:27 AM
Yeah, the whole comic is a roller coaster man, we can talk in spoilers later when you're up to date.

Since I love MM so much, should I try Tom King's Batman? Those of you who have read it.


EDIT Just read Batman Annual 1 & 2.
Annual 2, Tom King  :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 27, 2017, 09:54:16 AM
Up to Batman #16, the robins and bruce together at batburger :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 27, 2017, 01:19:09 PM
Batman 34

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(https://i.imgur.com/n6DSpYd.png)
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:mjcry :jawalrus
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 27, 2017, 01:28:31 PM
What's up with the art?  Dick looks an aging Clint Eastwood. 

No idea who the other one is.  Tim?  Damien?  Jason?  Dick from another time?
:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 27, 2017, 01:31:59 PM
Also I wonder if his child with the Wasp will ever be brought up again.

I think this was explained but I can't remember what happened.  I want to say that Kang (or a version of Kang) took the child and did something with it to prevent it from being erased from time?

I just read Secret empire #4 the other day and it just now dawned on me that I’m pretty sure neither intron/pun nor Nadia wasp ever mentioned anything about how they are related during that issue. I’m not even sure they have met before in a book.... you’d think it would rate a mention to meet your kid for the first time or to have seen them for the first time in xxxx months/years.

Edit: actually maybe Nads is with the other kids in the red room with Black Widow in this book. I can’t keep it all straight.

Intron/Pun?   ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 27, 2017, 01:44:30 PM
It's Damien, the art is the same in the new Mister Miracle btw.

Okay so after finishing 37 chapters of Tom King Batman, I can see the Tom King in it and I like it, but I have to say Mister Miracle is orders of magnitude better (so far) imo. I'll be reading all Tom King's stuff going forward though I get his stuff, I like his stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 28, 2017, 03:28:30 AM
Doomsday Clock #2
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:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 28, 2017, 10:13:01 AM
I liked Doomsday Clock #2 a lot more than the first issue.  LOL if they end up making it so that Dr. Manhattan was masquerading as some other superhero all along.  Please don't do this.  PLS.

One more issue of Invincible left.   :'(  That was a great superhero book. 

Phoenix Resurrection: The Return Of Jean Grey: Kind of a confusing book here with the X-Men getting Cerebro alerts and investigating weird phenomenon happening around the world.  Dead characters are back and apparently not "human" like Hellfire Club minions and Wolverine (not the real one who recently also came back) popping up in the antarctic out of nowhere.  The book ends with Jean Grey working at a diner, taking Banshee's (also dead) order and then going home to her (dead) parents and getting a visit from (yup...dead) adult Cyclops to go on a date.
 ??? ??? ???

Spider-Men II #5: The last issue of this mini-series is finally out.  The focus here was really on the 616 universe Miles Morales, who was revealed to be older than the Ultimate U. Miles and was a retired criminal associate of the Kingpin living 'in exile' on the west coast.  He hired the Taskmaster to help him with his goal, which was revealed to be getting a working portal to an alternate universe.  Really, in sense the two Spider-Men were just annoyances here and while 616 Miles isn't exactly a good guy, he was just trying to get to the other universe so he could meet up with a still-living version of his dead wife.  He succeeds in this goal in the last issue and it ends with them hitting it off at a restaurant she works at, which is then destroyed by...Ultimate Green Goblin fighting Ultimate (Peter Parker) Spider-Man.  Then the Ultimates pop up with one change being that Ultimate Iron Man is a version of Riri Williams.  This part of the book is drawn by Mark Bagley so even the visual tone is different from everything else.  Fourth wall breaking stuff happens with Spider-Woman/Black Widow? (The female Peter clone) even winking at the reader.  So basically Bendis decided to bring back the Ultimate Universe on his way out from Marvel.  What was the point of destroying all the other universes and then combining stuff into 616 again?
:idont
I wonder if Miles and co. will end up going back to the Ultimate universe or if they'll just leave it be. 

Savage Dragon #229&230:  :nsfw More Dragon and family doin' thangs.  I didn't say anything about 229 before because it was almost like a repeat of 228, right down to more fucking and...juice dripping from Maxine's nether regions into her mouth after she is blasted off Dragon's junk by a geyser of sticky stuff.  This is referenced again in 230 by the characters saying that a comic book version of their lives exaggerates everything and blows it out of proportion.  Uh...?  Then we get a scene where they fuck in an elevator and a guy walks into it and slips and falls on a big puddle of cum.  HAHA JOKES.  Now Dragon's family are going to be reality TV stars and get paid for it!  His brother Kevin has knocked up Maxine's mom!  Maxine is also pregnant!  Wait...this is a superhero book, right?  I forget. 

The only real development here is that back in Dimension X, Angel, her mom Jennifer, and Alex are all still trying to get home and fighting endless amounts of aliens.  They're now fully-nude because Larsen is eager to say fuck you to whatever restrictions his book used to have, get captured by some aliens, and then are told that they will have to fuck them all (of course!) by a returning (and equally-nude) Rapture, who is Malcolm Dragon's mother. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 28, 2017, 10:47:44 AM
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I liked Doomsday Clock #2 a lot more than the first issue.  LOL if they end up making it so that Dr. Manhattan was masquerading as some other superhero all along.  Please don't do this.  PLS.
I was sitting at my desk reading that like  :crazy  and Manhattan came off like a complete pussy for me  :sabu  but anyway, i liked it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 28, 2017, 10:49:35 AM
I liked Doomsday Clock #2 a lot more than the first issue.  LOL if they end up making it so that Dr. Manhattan was masquerading as some other superhero all along.  Please don't do this.  PLS.

One more issue of Invincible left.   :'(  That was a great superhero book. 

Phoenix Resurrection: The Return Of Jean Grey: Kind of a confusing book here with the X-Men getting Cerebro alerts and investigating weird phenomenon happening around the world.  Dead characters are back and apparently not "human" like Hellfire Club minions and Wolverine (not the real one who recently also came back) popping up in the antarctic out of nowhere.  The book ends with Jean Grey working at a diner, taking Banshee's (also dead) order and then going home to her (dead) parents and getting a visit from (yup...dead) adult Cyclops to go on a date.
 ??? ??? ???

Spider-Men II #5: The last issue of this mini-series is finally out.  The focus here was really on the 616 universe Miles Morales, who was revealed to be older than the Ultimate U. Miles and was a retired criminal associate of the Kingpin living 'in exile' on the west coast.  He hired the Taskmaster to help him with his goal, which was revealed to be getting a working portal to an alternate universe.  Really, in sense the two Spider-Men were just annoyances here and while 616 Miles isn't exactly a good guy, he was just trying to get to the other universe so he could meet up with a still-living version of his dead wife.  He succeeds in this goal in the last issue and it ends with them hitting it off at a restaurant she works at, which is then destroyed by...Ultimate Green Goblin fighting Ultimate (Peter Parker) Spider-Man.  Then the Ultimates pop up with one change being that Ultimate Iron Man is a version of Riri Williams.  This part of the book is drawn by Mark Bagley so even the visual tone is different from everything else.  Fourth wall breaking stuff happens with Spider-Woman/Black Widow? (The female Peter clone) even winking at the reader.  So basically Bendis decided to bring back the Ultimate Universe on his way out from Marvel.  What was the point of destroying all the other universes and then combining stuff into 616 again?
:idont
I wonder if Miles and co. will end up going back to the Ultimate universe or if they'll just leave it be. 

Savage Dragon #229&230:  :nsfw More Dragon and family doin' thangs.  I didn't say anything about 229 before because it was almost like a repeat of 228, right down to more fucking and...juice dripping from Maxine's nether regions into her mouth after she is blasted off Dragon's junk by a geyser of sticky stuff.  This is referenced again in 230 by the characters saying that a comic book version of their lives exaggerates everything and blows it out of proportion.  Uh...?  Then we get a scene where they fuck in an elevator and a guy walks into it and slips and falls on a big puddle of cum.  HAHA JOKES.  Now Dragon's family are going to be reality TV stars and get paid for it!  His brother Kevin has knocked up Maxine's mom!  Maxine is also pregnant!  Wait...this is a superhero book, right?  I forget. 

The only real development here is that back in Dimension X, Angel, her mom Jennifer, and Alex are all still trying to get home and fighting endless amounts of aliens.  They're now fully-nude because Larsen is eager to say fuck you to whatever restrictions his book used to have, get captured by some aliens, and then are told that they will have to fuck them all (of course!) by a returning (and equally-nude) Rapture, who is Malcolm Dragon's mother.

Haha Savage Dragon sounds fucking dumb but also hilarious  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 28, 2017, 04:04:02 PM
I haven’t read savage dragon since the 90s but don’t remember one of his superpowers being blowing massive loads.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on December 29, 2017, 09:20:02 AM
I read Savage Dragon for the first time last night thanks to you guys. That was... something. Oddly compelling, yet not really sexy at all inspite of all the nudity and sex talk.

I finally got around to reading Spider Men II  last night too. I guess that's a fitting send off for Bendis and the Ultimate universe. Except that the cancer known as Riri Williams lives on even if they get rid of her in the main universe. It's good that Miles is seemingly going to stop being Spider-Man. He's just a pointless, redundant character now.

Also! Action Comics is making me sad that Booster Gold still hasn't been brought back again in his own book. God damnit it's so good. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 29, 2017, 02:04:19 PM
Red Goblin artwork is out there and he looks like an actual devil of sorts.  Now there's speculation that this character is just Norman Osbourne after making a deal with the devil, I.E. a returning Mephisto.  Which then fuels more speculation that all of this is going to lead to Dan Slott ending his run on Spider-Man by undoing One More Day.  I doubt it but that would be pretty awesome.

It's good that Miles is seemingly going to stop being Spider-Man. He's just a pointless, redundant character now.

Hard to tell if that's really going to happen or not- his on-going book is still...on-going AFAIK.  And I think Bendis still has a few more issues left on it.  :lol

Marvel is canceling some books including America, Gwenpool, Generation X, and Hawkeye.  A lot of people are labeling this as the "Social Studies Warrior cancellation fest." (Excluding Generation X).  Heh.

EDIT: She-Hulk, Luke Cage, and Iceman are all canceled too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 29, 2017, 02:19:11 PM
This is Tim Drake now?

(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/tt-savior-1.png?q=35&w=699&h=724&fit=crop)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 29, 2017, 02:28:44 PM
And wow, missed this-

https://www.cbr.com/jean-grey-phoenix-death/

In the (Teenage) Jean Grey solo series, the Phoenix force comes to earth and various Phoenix-connected characters team up to try to stop it (including the ghost of adult Jean Grey, lol).  Teenage Jean tries to fight it one on one and it just incinerates her.  So they've killed off one Jean Grey just to bring back another one?
:neogaf

Or is it the fake-Phoenix Jean Grey who is coming back?  :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2017, 03:18:44 PM
Teen Titans #15: Super Sons of Tomorrow #3

"Savior"... yeah, no. I was sorta hoping they'd give him his original Red Robin costume back, would have been a neat callback. But then again I don't really want that suit tainted with... whatever version of Drake that DC is shoving in our faces here.

I do like the idea of Titans of Tomorrow, but the fact that Tim refers to them as such is just... dumb. :lol

Why Damian and Jon don't try to meet up with the current Drake is beyond me, other than editorial trying to keep the focus on the two Super Sons.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2017, 03:26:38 PM
This is Tim Drake now?

(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/tt-savior-1.png?q=35&w=699&h=724&fit=crop)

That's basically Future's End/Lonely Place of Living Tim.

I am not a fan.

Though, I do like seeing my Timmy in anything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 29, 2017, 03:29:13 PM
Marvel is canceling some books including America, Gwenpool, Generation X, and Hawkeye.  A lot of people are labeling this as the "Social Studies Warrior cancellation fest." (Excluding Generation X).  Heh.

EDIT: She-Hulk, Luke Cage, and Iceman are all canceled too.


The fuck Marvel?

Lol Iceaman finally comes out. "CANCELLED!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 29, 2017, 07:23:32 PM
Marvel is canceling some books including America, Gwenpool, Generation X, and Hawkeye.  A lot of people are labeling this as the "Social Studies Warrior cancellation fest." (Excluding Generation X).  Heh.

EDIT: She-Hulk, Luke Cage, and Iceman are all canceled too.


The fuck Marvel?

Lol Iceaman finally comes out. "CANCELLED!"

I think the solo book is the adult still not-gay-although-maybe-he-is-but-who-knows-lol version of the character. 

AFAIK, This is the current state of the various time/reality displaced X-Men:

Cyclops: The most "normal" (I.E. nothing going on and not much different from the adult version) of the group.  Runs with the X-Men and the Champions.   Had a solo book briefly a few years back, but that quickly ended.

Beast: Still not furry and started dabbling in mysticism which has led to all sorts of fuckery and some demonic invasions.

Iceman: No different from his adult self apart from being gay.  There's even some speculation that Jean Grey sort of made him 'realize' he was gay and mentally pushed him in that direction, and holy shit no don't do that.  Just make him gay, Marvel, and leave it at that.

Angel: Got his wings upgraded to be made of a fiery substance during a storyline a few years back with some cosmic thing (a mirror of some kind?  I already forgot) and while everyone else was depowered from this, he stayed the same.  Personality wise is the "regular" Angel.  (The adult version got mind-wiped and has been doing all sorts of weird shit.  Most recently he seems back to normal and his his regular and Archangel versions of himself.)

Jean Grey:  I haven't read her solo book.  She's pretty much like Cyclops except while those two have a mind link, they aren't in a relationship.  Now dead?

Jimmy Hudson: Because every book needs a Wolverine.  Popped up from the Ultimate universe and like the Ultimate mutants, isn't a "real" mutant and does not register as such when scanned or whatever. 

Bloodstorm: Came from Beast summoning Madelyn Pryor/The Goblyn Queen and hellish versions of the X-Men.  Stayed with the team after helping them.  She looks more like the 80s mohawk Storm.  Cyclops apparently likes her and can't stop ogling her.  Pretty sure he's supposed to be under 18 and she's an adult.  OK, Marvel.  The last issue I read, I didn't see her with the rest of the X-Men when they jumped from 2099 to a reality with Generation X from the 90s.  Not sure if that means she disappeared or someone just forgot to draw her.  :doge

I know the X-Men have been through a lot, but it always irked me how there wasn't a huge reaction to the O5 (and later Bloodstorm) when they met the other X-Men.  Ditto for Old Man Logan meeting Jimmy Hudson. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 29, 2017, 07:42:10 PM
Interesting about the ultimate universe. I liked it up until the end and was kind of sorry to see it go (despite some shitty stories). Evil reed Richards was pretty dope, and then they turned him into some kind of joke villain when brought into 616. Such a waste of potential.

The best thing about ultimate was that it was editorially much tighter than 616. Since there were fewer books the status quo was better reflected across all books.

I also didn’t really hate Riri. I was ready to, but I thought her book was reasonably entertaining. Thought Secret Empire made me wonder why she existed at all, since Tony at some point just started being an AI Iron Man all by himself. I thought it was dumb how the avengers would give a computer shit for being drunk though.

Gay Iceman is dumb. They should just have Northstar kiss him and he’s like “I can’t do this!” And realize he’s not gay. I don’t have a problem with having a gay character (or gay child iceman)  but just deciding he’s suddenly gay after 50 years is just try-hard as hell and unnecessary. Maybe they can just have him bottom for a futa girl as a middle ground. Sera or chick Loki.

Would love if Slott undid one more day. My guess is that after slott leaves, Spider-Man will be in a bad place within like two years and undoing one more day will be on the menu. Marvel basically has no good writers, so I don’t see how they keep up momentum.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on December 30, 2017, 09:33:00 PM
Red Goblin artwork is out there and he looks like an actual devil of sorts.  Now there's speculation that this character is just Norman Osbourne after making a deal with the devil, I.E. a returning Mephisto.  Which then fuels more speculation that all of this is going to lead to Dan Slott ending his run on Spider-Man by undoing One More Day.  I doubt it but that would be pretty awesome.
That’s interesting speculation. I remember shortly after Secret Wars ended there were a few mentions in Spider-Man and I think Spider-Man / Deadpool about OMD happening. But they’ve never followed up on any of those obviously.

It's good that Miles is seemingly going to stop being Spider-Man. He's just a pointless, redundant character now.

Hard to tell if that's really going to happen or not- his on-going book is still...on-going AFAIK.  And I think Bendis still has a few more issues left on it.  :lol
Miles has been all about not being Spider-Man for a while now. I think there’s a real strong possibility that Bendis ends his Marvel run by giving him a new name and costume at this point.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 30, 2017, 11:17:49 PM
He’ll take the black suit Spider-Man suit and move on from Gwen to MH.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 02, 2018, 12:19:57 AM
Doomsday Clock 2

what the fuck?  ???

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Nice to see the meetup people have talked about in what ifs, etc is actually happening  :lol . Also Lex ethering the fuck out of Ozy for being a fucking idiot :lawd , but what the hell at the Comedian's return
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 02, 2018, 12:27:01 AM
Doomsday Clock #2 is pure fuckery and I love it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 02, 2018, 12:28:31 AM
Doomsday Clock 2

what the fuck?  ???

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Nice to see the meetup people have talked about in what ifs, etc is actually happening  :lol . Also Lex ethering the fuck out of Ozy for being a fucking idiot :lawd , but what the hell at the Comedian's return
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Lex just be like 'the fuck is this Julius Caesar looking fucker' :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 02, 2018, 12:59:38 AM
The sad thing is that under Hickman, Ultimate Reed was a really good villain.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 02, 2018, 02:38:25 AM
The sad thing is that under Hickman, Ultimate Reed was a really good villain.

Agreed, he was so creepy... it worked.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 02, 2018, 10:27:07 AM
He’ll take the black suit Spider-Man suit and move on from Gwen to MH.

Sorry, who?

The sad thing is that under Hickman, Ultimate Reed was a really good villain.

Definitely.  He faded into obscurity after Secret Wars.  Not just him...other villains who they made out to be "big name villains" like The Maestro are also barely there.  The latter was in a storyline in Old Man Logan (who kicked his and multiple Hulk Gang crew asses all by himself) and that has been about it recently.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 02, 2018, 10:29:06 AM
Miles has been all about not being Spider-Man for a while now. I think there’s a real strong possibility that Bendis ends his Marvel run by giving him a new name and costume at this point.

I think if they do this, his popularity will go down the toilet.  But I also think that's going to happen without Bendis...this character and his family/friends are very much "Bendis characters."

IMO if the Ultimate Universe is back...move him back over there and put the O5 X-Men over there with him, while they're at it.

I also don't have a problem with Riri Williams.  She's not even really the main character of Iron Man.  It's more like an ensemble cast book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 02, 2018, 11:06:20 AM
DARK NIGHTS: METAL #5 ON SALE 1/31
MISTER MIRACLE #6 ON SALE 1/10
BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT #4 ON SALE 1/3

:rejoice
More fuckery tomorrow :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 02, 2018, 11:42:18 AM
He’ll take the black suit Spider-Man suit and move on from Gwen to MH.

Sorry, who?

The sad thing is that under Hickman, Ultimate Reed was a really good villain.

Definitely.  He faded into obscurity after Secret Wars.  Not just him...other villains who they made out to be "big name villains" like The Maestro are also barely there.  The latter was in a storyline in Old Man Logan (who kicked his and multiple Hulk Gang crew asses all by himself) and that has been about it recently.

MH was supposed to be MJ. Mix of phone typing and laziness.

Or maybe I meant he would go gay and end up with MHWilliams. You never know.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 03, 2018, 12:53:21 PM
Batman White Knight #4

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They literally called Napier a White Knight in this chapter, oh boy.  Social media and identity politics, this is losing me now :/ I liked Napier's idea of starting a Great Teacher Onizuka, Victor Fries's father being a nazi and in league with Thomas and Martha Wayne can go fuck itself though, kinda lost interest now, but will continue to read to see how GTO and bank teller harley/she-joke turns out
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 03, 2018, 12:54:40 PM
I hope White Knight ends with everything being an epic troll for the lulz by Joker and Harley.

We already got a "Batman is the badguy" comic series.  Mark Millar did this with Nemesis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 03, 2018, 12:57:46 PM
I'm fairly sure it wont be a Joker troll, I see them playing this straight and making Joker accidentally turn into a shitheel again or something equally not entirely Napier's fault. Either way though, there's so much wrong here, nice ideas but meh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 04, 2018, 12:04:51 AM
Some teen titans art by popular deviantarter ( :girlaff :goldberg ) eufrik

https://imgur.com/a/p4Wbr (https://imgur.com/a/p4Wbr)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 04, 2018, 12:40:39 PM
Phoenix Resurrection: The Return Of Jean Grey #2: More of :confused the comic series.  Jean lives in a picturesque small town and pretty much everyone there is a dead X-Men character, like Madrox, (the first) Warpath, and Moira MacTaggart.  But then she goes to work at her diner and Magneto pops in for breakfast.  At pretty much the same time, a Magneto 'apparation' who looks and acts like 1960s-era Magneto pops up at a location some X-Men are investigating and fights them, even uttering stuff about ordering breakfast.  I guess these are all apparitions made real by the Phoenix or whatever, but it makes no sense and we didn't need a second straight comic of the same stuff as the first issue.

Spider-Man #236: I swear I don't even remember Miles getting new powers like shooting webs out of his fingertips.   :lol  Was going to say that I can't see this character just going away, but then Silk pretty much disappeared and I completely forgot about her over the last few months.  Spidey 2099 too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 04, 2018, 12:46:50 PM
Once miles came over to 616 he just seemed sort of superfluous.

As someone trying to step into the shoes of a dead hero, with little guidance, he was kind of interesting, but as a copycat character, for a character that already has like at least 3 or 4 better-established copycat characters, he’s just sort of there.

And they undid the one interesting part to his story by unkilling his mom.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 04, 2018, 12:48:25 PM
He has a different relationship dynamic with his family than Peter does.  Plus his dad was SHIELD so there's some fun story stuff that came from that.  His uncle was also the Ultimate U. Prowler and has now popped up as a new "Iron Spider" villain.

When Slott made Peter Parker a billionaire, globe-trotting CEO, it made sense to have multiple Spider-Men.  Peter was doing stuff all over the world and was tackling "big" problems, Spider-Man 2099 was handling stuff from the future, and then Miles was like the 'street-level' style Spider-Man that Peter was back in the day. 

But now that Peter is back to being more of a street-level guy again himself, yeah...it does seem kind of redundant.  I like Miles though and I don't want him to just go away.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on January 04, 2018, 03:14:13 PM
That backwards sentence in Batman 38 is amazing. I read it backwards like 4 times before my brain put it together and exploded.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 04, 2018, 03:43:28 PM
Peter and miles are Eskimo brothers though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 10:59:14 PM
i read Sheriff of Babylon by Tom King

i want an adaptation of it to see how they fuck it up and miss the point

there's quite a few thematic similarities to the book/film Jarhead, which a lot of people I knew at the time also missed the point of
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 10:59:53 PM
omg there's Jarhead film sequels:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarhead_2:_Field_of_Fire
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The story is about the team of U.S. Marines who extract an education activist from the strong-hold of the Taliban insurgents
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jarhead_3:_The_Siege
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The film follows a group of Marines who must protect the US ambassador from a group of militants who attacked the embassy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 11:02:34 PM
 :dead :dead :dead :dead
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqnePnrSdQA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk_CY3ZGAYo
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edit: to be fair, the first films trailers were sliiiiightly misleading, though the choice and use of "Jesus Walks" probably makes up for it
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-aBP-c28_1M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv4KCKcGwAQ
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 11:05:10 PM
wait, is that second one a fictional take on BENGHAZI :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 04, 2018, 11:32:33 PM
I've never watched this head in a jar film
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 11:42:32 PM
the core premise of it, and the book, and Sheriff of Babylon is about the struggle between how we act and think between normal civilization and the inhumane civilization of warzones and how it warps our moral code while remaining entirely rational and logical in the moment

in retrospect, i think this may have been part of what he was going for with the war between jokes and riddles arc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on January 04, 2018, 11:44:02 PM
I like City of the Lost Children. That has a brain in a jar.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 04, 2018, 11:44:40 PM
That backwards sentence in Batman 38 is amazing. I read it backwards like 4 times before my brain put it together and exploded.
Those last two panels though  :goldberg



the core premise of it, and the book, and Sheriff of Babylon is about the struggle between how we act and think between normal civilization and the inhumane civilization of warzones and how it warps our moral code while remaining entirely rational and logical in the moment


in retrospect, i think this may have been part of what he was going for with the war between jokes and riddles arc
Aaah, I see. An ancient pattern that plays itself out everyday on 4chin boards all over the internet
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 04, 2018, 11:58:41 PM
to make a comment off that regarding Sheriff of Babylon, like #38, it's got an ending that seems more like the beginning of a story we might never see told, King's actually had a few of these in the Batman run so far in the single issues

Justice League has a semi-interesting arc going on, dealing with the consequences of the heroes actions on everyone else in the world, which White Knight has treated in the more Snyder-esque manner of as a mere set-up for something larger and seemingly dumb

The Walking Dead finally pulled itself out of its doldrums of the last few years and introduced something new, I assume because Kirkman finally finished Invincible with the final issue coming next month or so.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 05, 2018, 12:18:19 AM
I'm going to read the entire new WW run later, this Darkseid stuff has me intrigued.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 05, 2018, 12:43:00 AM
I liked the new walking dead too.

Though frankly I don’t think the whisperers was really that bad.

I feel like Negans redemption is sort of cheap, but I also like the character so maybe I’m ok with it, even though I know 100% it was just a move that was done because he is popular with readers.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 08, 2018, 02:21:13 PM
Nightwing the New Order worth reading so far?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on January 08, 2018, 02:32:08 PM
It’s pretty good and getting better. The most recent issue is far and away the most riveting one so far. It’s like it’s slowly ramping up from being kinda meh to really good. All the characters feel like classic DC. Only thing I don’t like is what’s going on with Lois Lane. Like they couldn’t think of anyone else to fill her role or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 09, 2018, 07:38:02 AM
Though frankly I don’t think the whisperers was really that bad.
It seemed like it was taking forever and going nowhere. They never felt like a legitimate threat, especially after the first meeting. And all the sideplots they were tying into it felt the same way. Really, the whole post-time skip era has felt like this aimless direction.

Another instance of Kirkman having an idea but not having any clue where he was going to take it other than to use it to dole out some SHOCK deaths. (I also thought for sure this was him setting up a transition from Rick to Carl finally but nah, same ol rut since the time skip arguably.)

Also, like is it me or do half the regular "new" characters of the last couple years look alike to where they're borderline impossible to tell apart? And/or I have no idea who they are or where they came from.

I really wouldn't mind if this new storyline was used to set off and visit other parts of the world and come back to Rick/Carl in a year or two. We've been centered in Alexandria for longer than the series has actually been going on now. They came to it 110 issues ago. And there was the two year time skip. They've defended it and had long-term character deaths related to said defense three times already.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on January 10, 2018, 01:49:44 AM
The Walking Dead really just needs to turn into the Rick, Carl & Negan Go To Rescue Michonne & Eugene show. Just leave Alexandria behind and trust that it'll preserve itself. The book badly needs some narrowed focus.

I still enjoy the series, but the main problem is the cast is too big and never gets focused on enough. They're just zombie fodder that have gone past their expiration dates. I don't know who any of the characters in Michone's group that traveled to Ohio were. I think the 2 lesbians first appeared after the time skip? Maybe. Hell, I don't remember. Siddiq is zombie fodder.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTMU97EU8AAA2a5.jpg:large) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DTMU97EVoAAmIvC.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2018, 12:48:47 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/brian-michael-bendis-resurrected-marvels-ultimate-unive-1821945165

Can't wait for Ultimatum 2!!!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 10, 2018, 03:45:22 PM
Spider men 2 sounds fucking dumb.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 10, 2018, 08:52:37 PM
Spider men 2 sounds fucking dumb.

The flashback and present day stuff with 616 Miles Morales (AKA scarface gangsta-man) and Kingpin were actually interesting, but the thing is...it doesn't matter.  616 Miles is introduced, given a backstory, and then disappears from 616 all within the span of a few issues.  He's basically a normal guy and there's no reason to ever focus on him ever again.  Both Spider-Men could have been left out of this story and it wouldn't have mattered very much.  In fact, this could have been a single issue or two of a regular Spider-Man comic and the story would have been just fine.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 10, 2018, 09:01:55 PM
I don't follow comic news often, but I also don't remember seeing anything about this, despite this news being from November.  Don't need to wonder what's up with the Phoenix mini-series going on right now, because Marvel spoiled its ending before it even began.

There's going to be another X-Men book.  X-Men Red:

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DOiM6zsV4AA6CQN.jpg)

The leader is adult Jean Grey.  Teenage Jean Grey is also still around in X-Men Blue.

Marvel  :lol ::)

Like....seriously.  Bendis brought back 616?  OK, take some of these 'clones' and put them in there.  Do we need two versions of the O5 X-Men (One Cyke...for the moment) and fucking like five Wolverines?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 10, 2018, 10:26:38 PM
Didnt they *just* kill the ultimate universe so Miles could be in the main one?? lmao.

Mister Miracle today, thoughts soon :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on January 10, 2018, 10:46:16 PM
The 05 aren't even the only time displaced X-men running around. There's Bloodstorm(Mutant X Storm) and Jimmy(Son of Ultimate X-men Wolverine). Is'nt Storm's daughter from the future in the mainline universe? I don't really know why they have to have all these time displaced X-men around when they can't even handle the X-men they have hanging around.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 10, 2018, 11:39:31 PM
thanks obama
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 10, 2018, 11:40:20 PM
Mister Miracle #6 -  I love the cover
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The omelet talk while killing those guards had me chuckling, I've always liked this kind of thing, people who act surrealy 'normal' while doing stressful things, this entire chapter's apartment revamp talk brought levity to the murder and choas, love it. (Reminds me of Library Wars)


I started catching on very early (like page 4 or 5) that this is going to be about having a baby, for the first time ever in entertainment I .. actually like a baby story  :uguu  had tears in my eyes  :-[
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This book continues to be my favorite thing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 11, 2018, 09:58:55 AM
I need to get myself caught up on Mr Miracle but things got really busy.

sorry momo  :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 12, 2018, 10:59:25 PM

Mister Miracle 2


What the fuck did i just read.

 :what

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why the hell is granny goodness helping him, why is she saying he's the son of Darkseid when Orion should be? Is he experiencing this shit his mind?.  :mindblown
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Also Big Barda
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's eyes actually being blue even though she said its brown might be hinting at something
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 12, 2018, 11:02:15 PM
Welcome :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 13, 2018, 11:29:08 PM
https://mobile.twitter.com/rustypolished/status/952282862652395521 (https://mobile.twitter.com/rustypolished/status/952282862652395521)


 :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh :ohhh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 15, 2018, 11:31:57 PM
I'm going to read the entire new WW run later, this Darkseid stuff has me intrigued.
Art and the reading order pissed me off so i quit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 16, 2018, 04:58:01 AM
try the new 52 run, i really liked the first two-thirds of it, some of the best Wonder Woman since Rucka's first time on the book

a lot of the twin Rebirth plot-lines are about re-writing the events of the New 52 run :lol

also it was a weird idea to do the twin plots, especially since they're so different and one is so dense, i would just read the even issue and odd issue plots until done instead of going back and forth
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 16, 2018, 05:57:10 AM
Yeah I started with it and though 'this isnt fucking worth it' and quit lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on January 16, 2018, 05:01:41 PM
As a real DC fan I am reading The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2018, 12:05:31 PM
Loved this in the Super Sons of Tomorrow conclusion:

(https://i.imgur.com/0f9lcYJ.png)

Basically the most major shot of every major crossover.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 12:15:08 PM
Tom King still fucking killing it, I realized that the book feels so laid back compared to Snyder's stint of endless epic arcs, especially now that Selina is a major character, but also when he had Damian and Dick in earlier for a guest spot, and Gordon this week, the world of Batman is just everyday mundane to the cast...like last issue where Clark and Bruce casually size up and mark off the purse snatcher...he's really giving it the feeling that all these characters are used to all of this and have done it a thousand times before. And yet there's understandings and relationships between them all that are not contrived. That was one reason the War of Jokes and Riddles seemed so out of place, only at the start and end did it really get into that.

"I'm telling Clark you said that."
"Please don't."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 12:38:11 PM
Oh, the current arc in Justice League is actually quite good too. Although I can't condone Priest crediting himself as Priest. And I don't care if he changed his name.

It's issues 34-ongoing since he took over. Hitch went off the book with #31, then it had some METAL tie-ins that would have made more sense had the delays not swallowed that up, I don't know if Priest will be ongoing or is filling in. He's done a lot of fill-in work in his career so you never know with him. I haven't been reading it but he's apparently been doing Deathstroke since Rebrith so maybe he'll stay around.

He started off this arc as a "day in the life of the Justice League" dealing with a variety of non world ending threats, but they make a mistake, and it's slowly been revealed as having a larger scope behind it but one that won't go to the level of like DARKSEID CRISIS THREE but kinda the opposite type of threat, someone small and semi-alone who can devastate the league but actually isn't a threat to anyone else except for how it effects the league's operation.

I hope he continues on for a while and tries to go for this kind of JL series even after the storyarc is over, Hitch's bumbling attempts at world ending threats every other month weren't well plotted out, the JL can't be The Authority. And he didn't seem to manage the whole ensemble well. Priest is doing better at giving everyone a part. Though they're still overplaying the two Lanterns inexperience despite Johns having already done that for much of his run, not to mention that Morrison did the same thing for Kyle back in his run that restored The Seven aspect.

Although mentioning The Seven when Cyborg is still around feels dirty, especially since J'onn hasn't shown up in Rebirth. Maybe he'll come punch Doctor Manhattan in the face.

They should put him in The Terrifics which I am totally on board for and glad has been added to the revised new series lineup.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2018, 12:43:29 PM
The problem with King's run I think is that the dirty little of comics is that only big bombastic plots and crossovers really sell. I hope the bottom doesn't fall out from under his run and he's able to keep telling more small scale stories.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 17, 2018, 01:22:57 PM
somewhat relating to that and speaking of METAL delays, apparently they might go ahead and publish the first half collected editions soon anyway since it was originally scheduled to be over this month, and they may be done delaying the rest of the new series that were supposed to be introduced through it or after it, that's apparently why Damage came out this week

i went through the emotions when i saw the release list for this week and saw a bunch of METAL then saw they were just "third printings" of the first three issues :lol

i think next week is another tie-in issue with multiple authors rather than METAL #5 which is the 31st
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 17, 2018, 01:34:49 PM
I kinda just want Metal to be over with lol. We've gotten some good content, I'm ready for whatever "twist" they're gonna use to have Batman win.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on January 18, 2018, 09:00:15 AM
Superman continuing to prove with ease why it's the very best book being published by DC currently. I saw the cover and thought, "god damnit, this is going to make me cry isn't it?"
...and it did. Tomsai has easily become one of the best Superman writers of all time. It's so refreshing to see someone who just gets the Superman and what he's about.

Batman was pretty good, but a step down from the last few issues. I'm kind of half-expecting Batman and Wonder Woman to get it on and then King says, "Selina doesn't mind – they're swingers."

And the Batman/TMNT crossover is still so fucking good. At this point, I'm completely onboard with DC buying the rights to TMNT and making them regulars in the DCU/Batbooks.

As a real DC fan I am reading The Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck.

I've tried to read this so many times over the years and I just can't get into it. I always lose interest very quickly :\

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 18, 2018, 09:21:10 AM
Am so incredibly behind on DC. 

That "Sons Of Tomorrow" storyline looks pretty cool!  I think I'm gonna check that out.  I don't know about Metal.  Not sure if I really like it based on what I've read.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 18, 2018, 09:40:25 AM
The Spider-Man/Venom crossover storyline "Venom Inc." finished this week with Venom Inc. Omega.  This was a pretty short storyline and was just six issues, IIRC (Alpha, two Amazing, two Venom, and Omega IIRC). 

Plot: Lee Price, a former Venom host (very briefly in the current on-going Venom series), finds a way to steal Manic's symbiote, calls himself "Maniac," and can use it to mind-control people who he spits "venom goo" on.  Those who get controlled also get some Venom-like powers and masks.  He winds up controlling a number of villains and Spider-Man.  His goal is to brainwash all the mafia heads and their soldiers, who are meeting up with the Black Cat (who has been a crime lord for a while in the Spidey comics).  Everyone bands together to stop him.  Not really much else to say about it, but it did change up a few things: 

-Eddie Brock is officially 100% Venom again.  The character has been Venom for months, but this storyline teased the symbiote going back to Flash.
-Flash Thompson is officially now Anti-Venom.  Looks exactly like he did previously as "Agent Venom," just white.
-Manic (a female symbiote user, who I barely even remember) no longer has her symbiote, but that's OK because she uses magic and stuff. 
-Lee Price has apparently permanently bonded with Manic's symbiote.  He turns into this giant Venom monster in Omega.
-Black Cat has lost her entire criminal empire and may go the superhero route again based on the ending.  Maybe.
-Spider-Man is...still Spider-Man.  Nothing changed with him.

A pretty forgettable storyline overall.  Next up it's Venom innnnn spaaaaaaaace with the X-Men Blue kids, who also get symbiote suits.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 18, 2018, 10:56:26 AM
I’m glad that the suit went back to Eddie, but Lee Price should have been forever forgotten.

Also it sounds like they are going back to some sort of anti-hero venom, which kind of sucks. I would have preferred to see some development of the rage the suit got from Lee Price sort of driving the Eddie and venom combo “mad” and turning him back into a Spider-Man villain.

Of course, all of Venoms most menacing moments involved persona non grata Mary Jane, so it might now work.

Maybe mad venom would remember a reality where they were married  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 18, 2018, 11:15:14 AM
Why is everything associated with Venom just so... lame?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 18, 2018, 12:46:17 PM
I think he just got too popular for his own good, but mostly because people liked his visual design and then Marvel tried to figure out how to get this very popular villain into more and more stuff, kind of fucking  up the character in the process.

Now he’s just kind of a mess, but still also shoehorned into too much stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 18, 2018, 03:48:36 PM
Venom was definitely at his best when he was a crazed Spider-Man villain and the "anti Spider-Man."  Loved how the symbiote also didn't trigger his spider-sense, so Spidey never knew when he was coming.

I didn't mind Flash Thompson as "Agent Venom" but when he joined the Guardians Of The Galaxy and went into space...they lost me. 

I would have preferred to see some development of the rage the suit got from Lee Price sort of driving the Eddie and venom combo “mad” and turning him back into a Spider-Man villain.

That would have been awesome!  Instead we got him getting pills to control the anger.  RIVETING.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 18, 2018, 03:58:33 PM
I didn’t know about the pills yet. I’m ok unlimited so just started edge of Venomverse. Which has some trash-level D-tier art, btw.

I also agree that space venom was dumb. I get why marvel thought it wasn’t dumb, because the symbiotic is an alien species, but like the alien species thing has never been important to Venoms story, and explaining it was largely dumb, and unneeded.

I don’t know what the fascination is with marvel wanting to send everyone into outer space. Wolverine in space is dumb too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 22, 2018, 06:49:27 PM
Yea Venom seemed interesting but how much more of "i hate you Spiderman" could they do with him though :yeshrug

Unfortunately the things they try to shake it up aren't as good nor do they last partly due to fans so its like between a rock and a hard place. I think Flash becoming Anti-Venom makes sense given how that thing works and the whole "symbiote being a true hero due to bonding to a good host" aspect but his drug like obsession with the original symbiote is there and threatens to ruin it.

We'll see how that continues.


Also read Mister Miracle #3 and #4.......that was a fucking mistake :snoop

I think it get what's happening, but then i read a few more pages and i'm not so sure :mindblown, will keep reading though :jawalrus




Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 24, 2018, 04:06:22 PM
Doomsday Cock #3 is pretty good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 24, 2018, 04:06:35 PM
Damn autocorrect.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2018, 04:12:51 PM
wow Wrath reads your post history even in threads he doesn't regularly visit so you have to keep up the act?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 24, 2018, 05:01:47 PM
Doomsday's cock would probably be something else though now that I think about it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 24, 2018, 05:14:03 PM
Doomsday doesn’t have a cock... he only has a boner
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on January 25, 2018, 12:58:13 AM
I’m tentatively ready to say that Doomsday Clock is a worthy sequel to Watchmen.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 27, 2018, 09:51:01 AM
Amazing Spider-Man #694: This story follows up on one from over a year ago, where the villain Zodiac was trapped in an alternate dimension and blah blah blah blah who cares.  The subplot is what's important here- two people pretending to be part of some private security firm get into a maximum security facility (underwater, because comics!) and steal something for their employer-- Norman Osborne. 

It's Carnage's symbiote.  Yes, MORE VENOM-CRAP!  So I guess this means that the Red Goblin is going to be Norman Osborne as Carnage, unless this is Slott trying to throw everyone off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 27, 2018, 03:45:03 PM
Slott does like to throw people off.

I would rather have them undo one more day as part of legacy. :-/

Doomsday clock is interesting, but I’m having trouble following it. Maybe my ass is just dumb, but I don’t exactly understand how Rorschach got into DC
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 27, 2018, 05:32:45 PM
Slott does like to throw people off.

I would rather have them undo one more day as part of legacy. :-/

Doomsday clock is interesting, but I’m having trouble following it. Maybe my ass is just dumb, but I don’t exactly understand how Rorschach got into DC

In the Owl spaceship thing with Veidt and the two mime/clown criminals at the end of issue 1...?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 27, 2018, 06:06:12 PM
Slott does like to throw people off.

I would rather have them undo one more day as part of legacy. :-/

Doomsday clock is interesting, but I’m having trouble following it. Maybe my ass is just dumb, but I don’t exactly understand how Rorschach got into DC

Both him and Veidt appeared using the ship
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 27, 2018, 06:08:31 PM
I probably need to reread issue #1. I just don’t really remember it.

I really like the mime guy though. What a great villain, even if his girlfriend is basically just Harley Quinn.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 27, 2018, 07:22:43 PM
it would be in the spirit of Watchmen to mock that relationship though, especially showing its absurdity in the hands of most writers, since the original Watchmen was quite deliberate in taking to task the glossy traditional comic relationships between "super friends"

i thought The Mime was a bit too on the nose, then they devoted that entire page to him taking out and putting on his fake equipment and i didn't care anymore, he was perfect
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 30, 2018, 12:02:09 AM
Fall of the Batmen - futuretimdrakewasright?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 30, 2018, 12:07:07 AM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 30, 2018, 12:15:48 AM
Batman #39
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Holy fuck i love how Wonder Woman is drawn :o
Not to get into pairing bullshit but Batman x Diana was always my thing, however in this run i really, really hope he marries Selena :'(
[close]
"I'm telling Clark you said that"
"Please dont"
 :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 30, 2018, 12:17:46 AM
Tim Drake is always right, even when he's wrong.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 30, 2018, 12:47:32 AM
Doomsday Clock #3 - Meh, The mimes were fun as usual though lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 30, 2018, 10:15:48 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7u07p1/although_its_pretty_insignificant_i_thought_it/

kinda cool (mister miracle)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 30, 2018, 11:12:29 AM
Batman #39
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Holy fuck i love how Wonder Woman is drawn :o
Not to get into pairing bullshit but Batman x Diana was always my thing, however in this run i really, really hope he marries Selena :'(
[close]
"I'm telling Clark you said that"
"Please dont"
 :lol

Please, Batman is not built for that.

She’d throw it back and crush his sternum.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 30, 2018, 02:23:46 PM
https://www.reddit.com/r/DCcomics/comments/7u07p1/although_its_pretty_insignificant_i_thought_it/

kinda cool (mister miracle)

Nice.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2018, 04:29:11 AM
was looking at the release list for next week, X-Men Red is getting eleven variant covers :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 31, 2018, 05:03:54 AM
as for metal 5 :delicious

too bad we have to wait until fucking march for 6

and doomsday clock is being epic delayed now, we get #4, then it's going to skip two whole months, and then be every other month after that, now projected to end in JULY 2019

though now we also know what Snyder's up to, he's going to do a Justice League mini-series taking place in the wake of METAL and then take over the main book and they're adjusting the side-books (Batman just up and disappeared from JLA lol)

also remember all those DARK MATTER books that are now NEW AGE OF HEROES, those dates are totally all over the place, even though there's preview pages in issues the last few months ... though for now just give me The Terrifics please

and apparently this was announced ages ago but the DUKE THOMAS centric series BATMAN AND THE SIGNAL also is being blasted with delays, i had no idea this was even happening and was just going to assume Duke died back in Metal: The Casting

most importantly, even though he's first coming back in action comics, apparently booster gold's real comeback is going to be in the hands of Tom King, and in Batman :rejoice

also that upcoming Exiles relaunch better be more like the original series than everything after it ended and the other attempts at it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 31, 2018, 07:59:22 AM
was looking at the release list for next week, X-Men Red is getting eleven variant covers :lol

Is it 1992?!

I hope some of them are made from that unrippable paper.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on January 31, 2018, 03:14:21 PM
Im reading Grant Morrison run on Doom Patrol.

I learned to enjoy life again.

 :shaqc

 :mjcry

 :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 01, 2018, 12:28:10 AM
Dark Nights Metal #5
Aqua man's chum-hole, ancient fishtory  :fabulous
J'ONN!!! :bow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2018, 12:39:52 AM
The Doomsday Clock delays are fucking blowing my mind.

How, DC.

How did you announce this SIX MONTHS AHEAD OF THE FIRST ISSUE and still have delays (for a TWELVE-ISSUE SERIES) that would make fucking Marvel blush?!

At least they're doing it 25% of the way in, instead of announcing it 90% of the way in like Marvel has handled their recent events.

But still!

Is Johns out of ideas and that's why he needs two fucking months to write each fucking issue? Or is Frank just *that* fucking slow on art?

Normally I wouldn't fucking care but I've been fucking WAITING for this series since Rebirth and even when it started, one issue per month STILL felt excessive and cloying.

I'll be there day 1 for each new issue but this just cuts my fucking soul. But, as kami-sama said:

"A delayed <COMIC> is eventually good, a rushed <COMIC> is bad forever."

:miyamoto
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2018, 12:53:50 AM
my favorite part of #5 was that it started off like they were finally turning the tide so the story could wrap up, J'onn BOOM to the rescue, Diana just happens finds the mace and gives a beat down, etc. and then BAM lol NOPE you regular universe dopes once again carried out the dark universe's plan for them just like Bruce did at the start by uniting the metals.... only for Diana and Bruce and Clark to go fuck it, we tried to do this the normal way, time to just be defiant motherfuckin heroes

which in the side stories was basically how they (Harley, etc.) were succeeding against the stacked odds

though that is a common Snyder "out" trope if you look at his past works, hopefully it's intentional that the conclusion isn't any kind of tidy, polish out the lore holes, etc. traditional D.C. arc finish and instead the heroes getting METAL
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 01, 2018, 01:10:15 AM
Is Johns out of ideas and that's why he needs two fucking months to write each fucking issue?
i think he has it written, i think the problem is other books

he's said Doomsday Clock's ending is supposed to line up with the entire line, presumably it's intended to have some line-wide ramifications and that the other books can't outrun it like they are METAL which for most everyone is going to be a thing that happened but ultimately didn't alter things for them

so in the final issue when he has Tim Drake erased from the DC Universe Canon permanently by Dr. Manhattan you can't have the regular books still coming out full of Tim Drake content nor can you have books that come out before talking about how Batman should have had another Robin inbetween Jason Todd and Damian rather than going solo that entire time, and how much the Teen Titans or Young Justice would have benefited as well from a Robin, even a red one, which pre-reveals the plot line where Tim Drake never existed and never will again

spoiler (click to show/hide)
except for when he comes back, as one of The Three Jokers!
[close]

Im reading Grant Morrison run on Doom Patrol.
first time? don't get cut out of reality and be careful with your three wishes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2018, 04:55:39 PM
Bendis is taking over my fave book Superman, not sure how I feel. :-\

I guess this means Gleason and Tomasi will just be sticking with Super Sons for now.

At least Tec is still trucking on.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2018, 04:55:51 PM
Also fuck you benji, don't talk about Timmy like that. :bolo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on February 01, 2018, 05:39:05 PM
Nerf The Batman who laughs pls

way too OP.


Now to see how this gets wrapped up in one issue :neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 01, 2018, 06:49:24 PM
Bendis is taking over my fave book Superman, not sure how I feel. :-\

I guess this means Gleason and Tomasi will just be sticking with Super Sons for now.

At least Tec is still trucking on.

Sounds... Terrible. Fucking bendis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on February 01, 2018, 08:20:38 PM
Im reading Grant Morrison run on Doom Patrol.

I learned to enjoy life again.

 :shaqc

 :mjcry

 :fbm

 Yeah that was a fantastic run. I only participate in this thread from a nostalgia standpoint as well. I don’t keep up on any of the new comics, and only be rid of stuff. In some cases I’m not rereading if it’s the stuff I bought and haven’t gotten around to yet, but it’s mostly old.

Morrison is amazing during his Doom Patrol run.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2018, 08:22:55 PM
How much BB is in Morrison's Doom Patrol run
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 01, 2018, 11:29:35 PM
(https://imagesvc.timeincapp.com/v3/mm/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fewedit.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F01%2Faction1000_leecvr2_full.jpg&w=2200&q=70)

The red trunks are coming back. :o :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 02, 2018, 12:32:06 AM
Trunks are coming back, but Bendis will make him talk like he's on that resetera board. you win some you lose some.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2018, 12:45:53 AM
i was going to include that in my news thing above about the delays but forgot, it's not an EW exclusive as DC put out the artwork as one of the upcoming changes lol
Nerf The Batman who laughs pls

way too OP.
i liked that his triumphant victory speech, and attempt to get in her head, didn't break Diana but sent her to war with all her nightmare versions whether Kendra was coming or not

though i've always loved the Bruce/Diana relationship (in BvS/JL too, the JL trailer scene that got cut where they're talking about the team was one i wanted to see more of) that got truly introduced by Morrison but most writers either had to turn into crappy romance (like Bat/Zatanna) attempts or totally miss the things they share that the rest of the League doesn't get (but please don't tell Clark)

it's probably unintentional by comic Snyder but I'm going to read it as the Batman Who Laughs also unintentionally reminding her of their bond within the trinity after exploiting the one Bruce has with Clark earlier in the plot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 02, 2018, 12:51:30 AM
Trunks are coming back, but Bendis will make him talk like he's on that resetera board. you win some you lose some.
I've been keeping in touch with Bendis a bit over the last couple of months and it seems like he stopped pushing identity politics in the last 2 - 3 months of his run at Marvel and actually tried putting the story first  :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 02, 2018, 12:53:21 AM
Also can I just say when they referred to Hawkman as the greatest detective I laughed and stopped reading for like 5 mins because i couldn't anymore. Full disclosure I dont like hawkman and hawkgirl, and them being a big part of this story is super meh to me and i mentally skip over their distinguished mentally-challenged bird asses.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 01:08:19 AM
Hawkman is the lamest fucking thing and he's easily the worst part of Metal.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2018, 01:15:27 AM
if you aren't a canon feget like benji, Morrison's Doom Patrol is his best work outside of All-Star Superman

it's also ironically what Doom Patrol was originally supposed to be about before they got turned into a more generic superhero team, although Morrison probably takes it a bit farther, at least according to their creator

The Invisibles is him essentially revisiting Doom Patrol while both unrestricted by editors and on a bunch of drugs

they were running more or less at the same time though Animal Man stops sooner, but Animal Man -> Doom Patrol -> Batman R.I.P. -> Final Crisis -> The Multiversity are the tent poles of the arc he tells within the DC Multiverse (and expands into some of JLA and 52, but more obviously and directly into Seven Soldiers, his entire Batman run and then his New 52 Action Comics stint) about the concept of the Multiverse and canon and the stories and how they function as reality within the Multiverse

though Animal Man is more explicit with its ending and The Invisibles tries to be more philosophical about it, Doom Patrol is the superior Morrison work because not only are the characters well written and the main relationship hook between Cliff and Jane is well done, but he's more toying with the notions of fiction and reality to create his adventures with the characters as discombulated as anyone else, The Invisibles instead goes for preachy philosophical digressions...JLA and X-Men rescued him from himself so that when he came to explore the same things with Batman and construct Final Crisis he knew to minimize the underlying philosophical hook to concentrate on the top level story telling (RIP and Final Crisis tying together but also being published in four different books didn't help most people follow either)

he did start to drift more during the New 52, as nobody could have realized Action Comics was a loop until the end...and The Multiversity arguably got shoved aside by DC Editorial as this weird Morrison thing instead of the original plan* so it bookends abruptly (though not its map nor with other writers as METAL shows!)

*The Multiversity was supposed to be Morrison kicking off a series of books, mini-series, one-shots, etc. set in all those other universes, like Earth 2/Futures End was doing, and Morrison was just going to write a few as examples, but then the New 52 started its implosion and Convergence came along as an answer to a problem that didn't exist
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 01:26:00 AM
Quote
Animal Man -> Doom Patrol -> Batman R.I.P. -> Final Crisis -> The Multiversity are the tent poles of the arc he tells within the DC Multiverse

You forgot Batman & Robin and Batman Inc. :ufup
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 01:26:43 AM
Also no one's answered my question about how prevalent Beast Boy is in his run
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2018, 01:40:56 AM
Full disclosure I dont like hawkman and hawkgirl, and them being a big part of this story is super meh to me and i mentally skip over their distinguished mentally-challenged bird asses.
Hawkman is the lamest fucking thing and he's easily the worst part of Metal.
well, nobody does because outside of JSA (the best major DC series nobody reads), Hawkman was a disaster area to the point that DC explicitly told Morrison he couldn't use him for JLA and approved a literal angel as a character instead of letting Morrison discard the canon snarl

even New 52 refused to start over from pure scratch with the character and Hawkgirl like METAL has

his extended inclusion in METAL is because Snyder realized Johns (who was part of the crew on JSA and helped rewrite Nth Metal as "ninth metal" and take an axe to the parts of the canon snarl) would totally let him rebuild the character and i'm sure they're going to explain away the 30 year canon snarl by his having been trapped in The Dark Universe Forge the whole time

which it should be pointed out Johns already offered up DC Editorial during Brightest Day just for them to trash it for New 52, but now that he's in charge...

Carter Hall for a long time wasn't the greatest "modern" detective, but he's a historian and archaeologist (who also has lived for thousands of years), so he often played a companion role to Batman in this regard (or Ralph Dibny) which is why in the early issues of METAL when Batman starts tracing the stuff historically he goes to Carter's journals which form the other half of the plot as Carter would have that information but Bats wouldn't (especially since it's partially supernatural)

Hawkman and Hawkgirl have the problem of that they're really two different sets of heroes that have been mashed together, there's the whole immortal part and then there's the Thanagar stuff...this used to be, pre Crisis, the Earth One and Earth Two versions, but after Crisis, they fucking mashed them together and were insistent this not be undone until they spent so long walling him off they finally realized nobody gave a shit about Hawkman anymore

Hawkgirl's role in a lot of stuff since (like the cartoons) is what Hawkman's used to be when people forgot he was supposed to be the JLA's historian and backup detective, the funny part being that her entire back story was tied to Carter's except editorial had no issue with writers redoing it every couple of years to fit her new role in a series because they just used something that's been a part of the characters forever, that whenever they die they're just re-incarnated anew and sometimes with it taking a while to remember everything :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2018, 02:00:23 AM
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Animal Man -> Doom Patrol -> Batman R.I.P. -> Final Crisis -> The Multiversity are the tent poles of the arc he tells within the DC Multiverse

You forgot Batman & Robin and Batman Inc. :ufup
i didn't, it's in the parenthetical, but R.I.P., actually The Black Glove plot, is the one that directly ties into that component of his DC arc, which was establishing that all the Batman stories were canon, and in the Black Casebook, even things like Bat Mite and Batman of Zur-En-Arrh

Also no one's answered my question about how prevalent Beast Boy is in his run
Beast Boy had ages earlier been moved out of Doom Patrol and into Teen Titans.

In any case, Morrison's Doom Patrol picks up after the Invasion! "crossover event" plotline in which the entire post-Crisis Doom Patrol (which Beast Boy was never part of) except Cliff Steele was killed off.

The "original Doom Patrol" wasn't really revived until Superboy-Prime's shenanigans in Infinite Crisis. After many fits and starts of various versions, Forever Evil wiped them out again.

Gerard Way's (of My Chemical Romance/The Umbrella Academy) run discards all of that to go about restoring and reuniting Morrison's Doom Patrol version including Danny and Mr. Nobody. (Although which more or less may be unofficially cancelled after the Milk Wars crossover with normal DC ends.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 02:02:28 AM
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i didn't, it's in the parenthetical, but R.I.P., actually The Black Glove plot, is the one that directly ties into that component of his DC arc, which was establishing that all the Batman stories were canon, and in the Black Casebook, even things like Bat Mite and Batman of Zur-En-Arrh

Don't talk back to me, you know I already knew that shit. :ufup You must have sensed I was a post away from bringing up The Black Glove.

Doom Patrol without BB is lame.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2018, 02:15:54 AM
Doom Patrol is about losers who have lost everything and keep going out of insanity (and deception), they have no time for his antics when there's unending madness and otherworldly psychological horror to confront.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on February 02, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
i was going to include that in my news thing above about the delays but forgot, it's not an EW exclusive as DC put out the artwork as one of the upcoming changes lol
Nerf The Batman who laughs pls

way too OP.
i liked that his triumphant victory speech, and attempt to get in her head, didn't break Diana but sent her to war with all her nightmare versions whether Kendra was coming or not

though i've always loved the Bruce/Diana relationship (in BvS/JL too, the JL trailer scene that got cut where they're talking about the team was one i wanted to see more of) that got truly introduced by Morrison but most writers either had to turn into crappy romance (like Bat/Zatanna) attempts or totally miss the things they share that the rest of the League doesn't get (but please don't tell Clark)

it's probably unintentional by comic Snyder but I'm going to read it as the Batman Who Laughs also unintentionally reminding her of their bond within the trinity after exploiting the one Bruce has with Clark earlier in the plot

True but he also knows she'll die fighting and it works for him as well.

I was always a fan of those 2 from the Justice League cartoon so i wouldn't mind but i also respect Selina so i don't mind that either.

Will see how this wraps up in the last book because shit's looking real grim right now :lol



Doom Patrol is about losers who have lost everything and keep going out of insanity (and deception), they have no time for his antics when there's unending madness and otherworldly psychological horror to confront.

Its funny that the teen titans version hints at that as well to where beast boy is like "what the fuck you guys".

But he's definitely the kid that they shield from that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 02, 2018, 11:12:43 AM
In general, I think the delay for Metal kinda killed a lot of the momentum and excitement I've had for the series. I liked #5, but it felt off compared the the previous issues in the series. If the other issues were like a 9/10 or 10/10, this felt more like a 7/10 or 8/10. I was really expecting to start seeing beginnings of the end of various plot points, but aside from Clark and Bruce sinking in magical molten metal, we got none of that. I still enjoyed it, but I feel the final issue will be a mad rush to tie everything together at this point and be more or less unsatisfying.

And where the fuck is the Joker in all of this? I really want him to wind up being the unexpected hero of the series when he fucks up TBWL. I mean, you have to figure they're going to encounter each other right?


Detective Comics was pretty good again. Clayface's updated origin paid a good tribute to his original origin and, I think the Animated Series origin too.


Flash Annual really makes me wish (again) that they never brought Barry back. Wally is a way better character who has gotten fucked over and over since his return. I have a feeling that however this Flashwar thing  is going to end, I'll be disappointed. Probably the start of really retiring or writing Wally out.
That being said, last week's Flash with Grodd was pretty damn good.

I don't understand why I still buy any of Marvel's books at this point. Iron Man is like Bendis' attempt to quickly putting back together everything he broke before he bails. Old Man Logan is alright, but they've taken the idea as far as they can and having old cowboy Wolverine fighting high tech Ninjas is so... uninspired.
Renew Your Vows is has officially moved into mediocre territory and feels like it's quickly sinking into "this sucks" territory.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 02, 2018, 11:17:42 AM
Bendis is taking over my fave book Superman, not sure how I feel. :-\

I guess this means Gleason and Tomasi will just be sticking with Super Sons for now.

At least Tec is still trucking on.

Bendis on Superman is like the worst possible book DC could have put him on. He's just so completely the wrong writer for Superman. The man doesn't know how to do optimistic and hopeful at all. I'm really hoping they announce Jurgens or maybe even Tomasi is now in charge of Superman editorial. Someone needs to rein Bendis in or we'll basically end up with New 52 Superman all over again.

And nobody wants to see Superbro come back.   
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 04:28:55 PM
UGH Superbro. And people (degenerates) actually miss him now too. :maf

Fuck off, post-Crisis Supes ALL 👏🏻 THE 👏🏻 WAY 👏🏻!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 02, 2018, 04:57:06 PM
Trunks are coming back, but Bendis will make him talk like he's on that resetera board. you win some you lose some.
I've been keeping in touch with Bendis a bit over the last couple of months and it seems like he stopped pushing identity politics in the last 2 - 3 months of his run at Marvel and actually tried putting the story first  :idont

It’s funny, because I loved ultimate spitderman. I don’t even really have a huge problem with his dialogue in that book, even though his writing style tends to make things seem almost instantly dated because it references current slang too obviously.

It just sucks ass in every other book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 02, 2018, 08:25:25 PM
They should put Bendis in charge of Earth 2 and let him run wild.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 09:32:40 PM
Put him in charge of the Dark Multiverse so when he inevitably Ultimatums that nothing of value will be lost.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 02, 2018, 09:35:54 PM
Bendis wasn't responsible for Ultimatum or really for the Ultimate universe outside of Spider-man shitting itself.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 09:40:17 PM
Bendis wasn't responsible for Ultimatum or really for the Ultimate universe outside of Spider-man shitting itself.

I know, I'm just having fun. :P

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Loeb :'(
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 09:42:13 PM
Also with Supes getting his trunks back can we get Dick's original Robin suit back.

I know it's :jared to the max but it's still better than this shit:

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/f/f0/Dick_Grayson_Robin_Prime_Earth_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130623190004)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2018, 09:55:56 PM
Also I'm not sure I'm ready for Starro having five assholes to be canon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 03, 2018, 12:58:08 AM
White Knight #5 is out in like 4 days, I have a feeling it will be make or break for me
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 07, 2018, 10:04:34 AM
shots fired at Sean Hannity out of nowhere in this weeks Justice League

etoliate was right :brazilcry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 07, 2018, 11:37:35 AM
shots fired at Sean Hannity out of nowhere in this weeks Justice League

etoliate was right :brazilcry
:confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 07, 2018, 12:30:09 PM
And walking dead was absolutely savage on hillary.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rufus on February 07, 2018, 12:34:43 PM
So was Vanquish.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 08, 2018, 12:15:11 AM
White Knight #5
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LMFAO
(https://i.imgur.com/IqWCpw7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Px4gT38.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hAsdUig.png)

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 08, 2018, 09:00:43 AM
Savage Dragon #231:
(https://imagecomics.com/uploads/releases/SavageDragon_231-1.png)

The titular "Sex Doll" on the cover starts the book out by screwing some dude and then murdering him after she clamps down so hard on his junk that it gets cut off.  She then tosses him out the window and we get a lovely illustration of her dropping his severed cock out of her cooch.

.....

Nope...not surprised anymore.  This issue continues to focus on Malcolm Dragon and family doin' thangs while being filmed by a reality TV crew.  The issue also ends with Malcolm going out and fighting multiple "sex dolls" who beat the shit out of him and that's it his part of the story, AKA nothing matters there.  What this story should be called is "Dragons everywhere."

Back in Chicago, we see a weird shark-like woman (female Mako!?) bust through a wall and beat up an old lady who is taking care of a baby.  The baby is a baby Dragon (is this the same one that killed Malcolm's former classmate who he knocked up during one of his threesomes, after it burst through her stomach?  Who knows!) and she calls it her kid...after changing back into Alison Summers, the evil Dart.  OK, that's something new.

Then the rest of the book focuses on the nude trio of Alex, Jennifer, and Angel who are continuing to wander/fight in Dimension X.  Last time they got caught by a bunch of big-dicked aliens and were put into a cage, only to be confronted by formerly-dead Malcolm Dragon's mamma Rapture, the electricity-wielding former prostitute, who tells them that there's a bunch of dead Angel and Jennifer corpses everywhere (wut), which I guess means Mr. Glum clones or maybe multiverse stuff.  Can't tell.  But it appears they're all dead from being fucked?  I dunno, it's what I expect from the book now.

Suddenly one of the alien dudes starts taking out the others and punches Rapture out.  He takes off his mask and it's...Malcolm Dragon.
:confused

A different Malcolm dragon, looking a bit younger.  WUT
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 08, 2018, 12:41:00 PM
I feel like I need to go back and start reading savage dragon (again, for the first time since 98)

When did it start going off the damn rails? Erik Larsen has went insane somewhere along the way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 08, 2018, 01:17:22 PM
White Knight #5
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LMFAO
(https://i.imgur.com/IqWCpw7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/Px4gT38.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/hAsdUig.png)

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Did they forget to include the panel where Bruce puts on his Bat-shirt, puts the robe back on all so he can look like a tough guy pulling off a pink robe?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 08, 2018, 02:01:01 PM
I'm glad you noticed, that sequence is two pages :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 09, 2018, 10:17:42 AM
Batman #40
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(https://i.imgur.com/f4Zvum9.png)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 09, 2018, 01:33:16 PM
Detective Comics #973

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RIP Clayface.

Why is Batwoman always such a bitch lol.

Future Tim was right!
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 09, 2018, 04:09:24 PM
I feel like I need to go back and start reading savage dragon (again, for the first time since 98)

When did it start going off the damn rails? Erik Larsen has went insane somewhere along the way.

Maybe around two years ago or so.  You can see the book slowly go into "fuck comics code...we near x-rated now!"  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on February 10, 2018, 10:37:06 PM
Savage Dragon #231:
(https://imagecomics.com/uploads/releases/SavageDragon_231-1.png)

The titular "Sex Doll" on the cover starts the book out by screwing some dude and then murdering him after she clamps down so hard on his junk that it gets cut off.  She then tosses him out the window and we get a lovely illustration of her dropping his severed cock out of her cooch.

.....

Nope...not surprised anymore.  This issue continues to focus on Malcolm Dragon and family doin' thangs while being filmed by a reality TV crew.  The issue also ends with Malcolm going out and fighting multiple "sex dolls" who beat the shit out of him and that's it his part of the story, AKA nothing matters there.  What this story should be called is "Dragons everywhere."

Back in Chicago, we see a weird shark-like woman (female Mako!?) bust through a wall and beat up an old lady who is taking care of a baby.  The baby is a baby Dragon (is this the same one that killed Malcolm's former classmate who he knocked up during one of his threesomes, after it burst through her stomach?  Who knows!) and she calls it her kid...after changing back into Alison Summers, the evil Dart.  OK, that's something new.

Then the rest of the book focuses on the nude trio of Alex, Jennifer, and Angel who are continuing to wander/fight in Dimension X.  Last time they got caught by a bunch of big-dicked aliens and were put into a cage, only to be confronted by formerly-dead Malcolm Dragon's mamma Rapture, the electricity-wielding former prostitute, who tells them that there's a bunch of dead Angel and Jennifer corpses everywhere (wut), which I guess means Mr. Glum clones or maybe multiverse stuff.  Can't tell.  But it appears they're all dead from being fucked?  I dunno, it's what I expect from the book now.

Suddenly one of the alien dudes starts taking out the others and punches Rapture out.  He takes off his mask and it's...Malcolm Dragon.
:confused

A different Malcolm dragon, looking a bit younger.  WUT

(https://media.giphy.com/media/xTiTnIilwuFFFpf2Cc/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 13, 2018, 02:31:49 AM
batman white knight - March 7
batman - Feb 21
mister miracle - Mar 14
Dark Nights Metal - Mar 14

:goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 13, 2018, 09:14:26 AM
Tec and Superman - every two weeks :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on February 13, 2018, 01:25:54 PM
batman white knight - March 7
batman - Feb 21
mister miracle - Mar 14
Dark Nights Metal - Mar 14


:goldberg

Dang  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 13, 2018, 02:50:07 PM
Did I miss an issue of Mister Miracle it was it delayed? March feels like a long time
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 13, 2018, 08:24:42 PM
Did I miss an issue of Mister Miracle it was it delayed? March feels like a long time
pre-planned skip month for the artist
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 13, 2018, 11:46:39 PM
I'm happy to let Tom King recharge, even if it is through happenstance cause Mitch wants a rest #DreamTeam. He does a lot I care about and he's coming up with a new concept I know I'm going to love too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2018, 12:54:02 AM
Tom's apparently not taking the month off, it's just for Mitch because of his prior schedule, and they decided the mid-point of the book was a good place to have it so that they can run the second half non-stop. And IIRC, Tom writes way ahead of normal comic schedules and then alters them later with the artist, he's probably already written all of Mister Miracle. He had to just kill off whole Grayson arcs because it was ending.

Ultimately the breaks are a choice I've come to allow even if it's more than a month break, where like Saga or Invincible and other indies are soliciting entire arcs, then they go on six month breaks. Because I mean, look at this fucking METAL situation. AND Doomsday Clock which was originally planned to run straight for a year and is now 18 months for 12 issues or whatever, and that's currently.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2018, 01:02:15 AM
speaking of Invincible, the final issue is this week

also Kick-Ass returns, with only six variant covers, that's one more than Killer Instinct #5 this week, the same amount as Xena #1 but one less than Sheena #6 and two less than Barbarella #3 which wins the week with eight variants

dynamite entertainment :lawd

also D.C. is doing another printing of METAL #1 with a GOLD SIGNATURE COVER whatever that means

Danger Zone is also doing things:
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DANGER ZONE
Baby Badass #1 (Cover A Tim Larsen), $3.99
Baby Badass #1 (Cover B Dan Mendoza), $3.99
Baby Badass #1 (Cover C Dan Mendoza Risque Variant), $3.99
Black Betty #1 (Cover A Michela Da Sacco), $4.99
Black Betty #1 (Cover B Michela Da Sacco Battle Damaged Variant), $4.99
Black Betty #1 (Cover C Marco Maccagni), $4.99
Black Betty #1 (Cover D Marco Maccagni Tattered & Torn Variant), $4.99
Black Betty #1 (Cover E Dan Mendoza), $4.99
Black Betty #1 (Cover F Dan Mendoza Risque Variant), $4.99
Zombie Tramp #44 (Cover A Celor), $4.99
Zombie Tramp #44 (Cover B Celor Risque Variant), $4.99
Zombie Tramp #44 (Cover C Tony Fleecs), $4.99
Zombie Tramp #44 (Cover D Tony Fleecs Risque Variant), $4.99
Zombie Tramp #44 (Cover E Dan Mendoza), $4.99
Zombie Tramp #44 (Cover F Dan Mendoza Risque Variant), $4.99
NEED A TATTERED AND TORN RISQUE VARIANT
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 14, 2018, 02:32:35 AM
Breaks? Comic fans know nutting about no breaks, have you ever heard of hiatus x hiatus?  :snob


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:goldberg
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 14, 2018, 08:35:06 AM
Fyi for your Metal fix, the tie in "Dark Knights Rising: The Wild Hunt" is out today.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 14, 2018, 08:36:38 AM
Breaks? Comic fans know nutting about no breaks, have you ever heard of hiatus x hiatus?  :snob


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:goldberg
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Don't talk to me or my son HxH ever again :bolo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 14, 2018, 08:37:13 AM
Invincible #144 (the final issue):

This is a double-sized issue that to me says "we shouldn't have ended it here and still would have had a lot more story, so here's a glimpse at what would have happened if this continued on."

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The issue begins with a multi-page summary of a number of events that happened throughout the comics.  Mainly just the Viltrumite stuff.  I'm not sure why since it's not like there's going to be many new readers on the last issue.

Mark goes off into space to play emperor to his people and leaves his bastard kid Marky on earth.  Then we get a timeskip and teenage Marky gets an Invincible costume and goes off to fight crime.

Mark's daughter Terra also grows up and is shown flying around space in her own Invincible costume.

The brain of Robot is lonely.  (that's all we get)

Some kid with a pet fox from another dimension pops up and blames Mark for killing his father or whatever.  Unless I missed something, it isn't shown what the resolution here is.

Older Mark has been leading his people towards ending wars and making the universe a more peaceful place.  For some reason one-eyed Allen doesn't like this and thinks it's bad because planets want to leave the coalition.  We see them fighting each other and Allen remarking that Mark was right in like one page.  :lol 

Atom Eve is shown on her deathbed (from old age), dies, and then immediately comes back young again.  Remarks that she must be immortal.  OK.

We see the result of a fight between Mark and Marky back on earth.  Looks like Marky became kind of an asshole and hated his dad for "abandoning" him even though he has an adopted father.  Now he's reformed.

Mark turns the Viltrumites into a force for good and it appears that the final page ends a good 500 years later. 
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Not a bad last issue or anything, but at the same time nothing spectacular for an ending.  I see what could have been a lot of material for some good stories featuring three Invincibles in different settings- Mark as a leader in space handling huge planet-sized problems/wars, Terra doing her own thing off in space, and Marky on earth.  Oh well- Kirkman is moving on with Oblivion Song starting in March.
:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2018, 11:06:32 AM
they sure let morrison run wild with wild hunt :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 14, 2018, 11:28:03 AM
Oh shit Morrison wrote it? :lol *immediately opens in Comixology*
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2018, 11:35:32 AM
it's credited to the standard METAL tie-ins team of Snyder, Tynion and Williamson plus Morrison, but it's also obvious he probably wrote at least 90% of it :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 14, 2018, 11:38:43 AM
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DARK BABY UNIVERSES
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 14, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
I keep forgetting countdown clock is a thing
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 14, 2018, 12:07:20 PM
The delays on Metal and DC have really deflated my excitement for them. Metal more so because of all the tie-ins and it feels like they announced it fucking ages ago. Just... end it brehs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 15, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
I really liked Metal's Wild Hunt issue. This issue is so consequential though. Like how can you possibly read Metal #6 next month without having read this one? I love the unapologetic Grant Morrison fuckery happening throughout it too.

And over in Detective, I hope the end of this issue means that Cass is on the road to becoming Batgirl again, what with ripping the thing off Batwoman's chest and all. I also hope it means Batwoman goes away soon. I've never liked Kate Kane and the whole military angle. Historically it's also always felt like she was entirely disconnected from the other Bat titles (until recently with her prominence Detective).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 15, 2018, 02:35:00 PM
Yeah I had almost forgotten how crazy Morrison can get, each page was so dense and wild I usually had to re-read it to get what was happening. :lol

Guess the Red Death is... dead. :idont

Also the mini-universe explosion reversed his polarity so he's good, but it didn't do shit to the Flash or the other Bat-dude? It was clearly shown that they were all hit at the same time in the same strength... :idont

And yeah this really should be Metal #5.5 or something. Don't see how #6 can ignore this stuff without going totally off the deep end...

Also, am I right in that they've done jack shit with that Sandman character despite teasing him in one panel early on??
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 15, 2018, 02:37:05 PM
And over in Detective, I hope the end of this issue means that Cass is on the road to becoming Batgirl again, what with ripping the thing off Batwoman's chest and all. I also hope it means Batwoman goes away soon. I've never liked Kate Kane and the whole military angle. Historically it's also always felt like she was entirely disconnected from the other Bat titles (until recently with her prominence Detective).

How did you get that from what Cass did?

Barb is still Batgirl I believe, that's the main issue right now. And she basically has her Batgirl costume just with more ninja and less S&M.

Agreed on Batwoman. She's always come across as a sanctimonious jackass... looks like the next arc is gonna be a reckoning for her ("The Trial of Batwoman.")

In any case I'm still in love with the group angle Tec has had since Rebirth. Keeps things fresh and moving briskly, even if some stuff (*cough Steph cough*) comes across as too soap opera-y.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on February 15, 2018, 06:24:19 PM
they sure let morrison run wild with wild hunt :lol

Yep   :jawalrus

Once again The Batman who Laughs is too OP, pls nerf


it's credited to the standard METAL tie-ins team of Snyder, Tynion and Williamson plus Morrison, but it's also obvious he probably wrote at least 90% of it :lol

Well
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it's about multiverse stuff and he linked The Multiversity to it so i doubt his level of involvement can be denied
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:lol :lol :lol :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 16, 2018, 10:02:56 AM
And over in Detective, I hope the end of this issue means that Cass is on the road to becoming Batgirl again, what with ripping the thing off Batwoman's chest and all. I also hope it means Batwoman goes away soon. I've never liked Kate Kane and the whole military angle. Historically it's also always felt like she was entirely disconnected from the other Bat titles (until recently with her prominence Detective).

How did you get that from what Cass did?

Barb is still Batgirl I believe, that's the main issue right now. And she basically has her Batgirl costume just with more ninja and less S&M.

I'm hoping the act of tearing it off her chest and Kate getting a new emblem is symbolic and foreshadowing to Cass becoming Batgirl/Batwoman is all. Akin to her saying, "I'm taking this from you and will show you how it's done." As much as I don't like Barb being Batgirl still, I'd rather see her graduate to Batwoman and Cassie pick up the Batgirl mantle again. I doubt that'll happen though, as they're currently using Babs as a vehicle to draw in younger or more female readers.
It would be nice though.

As for the whole positive matter thing – if we put on our comic book scientist helmets, we can deduce that there is no good left in any of the other Batmen, whereas Red Death still had good in him by way of Barry.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 16, 2018, 11:39:55 AM
Interesting. And Flash has no evil in him then either?

This is just as arbitrary as that Marvel Axis shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 16, 2018, 04:41:38 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-strange-sad-saga-of-batman-s-forgotten-girlfriend-1823025310

:holeup
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2018, 07:46:46 AM
Sasha upgraded (literally after fusing with Brother Eye) to bangin' Mr. Terrific and becoming Black Queen.

Checkmate and Shadowpact were too good for this world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 17, 2018, 10:04:48 AM
Shadowpact was so good. It needs to be brought back, and used to retcon those awful changes they made to Phantom Stranger where he was god damned Judas.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on February 17, 2018, 02:10:44 PM
Just caught up on Metal after taking a break around November and I'm not sure what the christ just happened in Dark Knights Rising: The Wild Hunt. I love me some Morrison but that's some comics ass shit.

I really want to just wait out Doomsday Clock now because I'm not sure I remember everything that happened earlier in this event.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on February 18, 2018, 02:32:39 PM
Shit, Morrison is back to DC? I dont follow comics news since a while so this is a surprise to me.

Maybe I will follow comics again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 18, 2018, 09:57:58 PM
Just caught up on Metal after taking a break around November and I'm not sure what the christ just happened in Dark Knights Rising: The Wild Hunt. I love me some Morrison but that's some comics ass shit.

I really want to just wait out Doomsday Clock now because I'm not sure I remember everything that happened earlier in this event.

I agree with both of those statements. I’m glad to find out it’s not just me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 20, 2018, 12:09:55 PM
MARVEL COMICS ANNOUNCES A LINE-WIDE OVERHAUL IN 2018 (https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-2018-refresh-reboot/)

...again?? :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 20, 2018, 02:17:36 PM
I'm still in awe at how badly Marvel fucked up the post-Secret Wars stuff.

THE MARVEL UNIVERSE WILL NEVER BE THE SAME BECAUSE IT WAS LITERALLY DESTROYED
*Goes right back to status quo as if nothing even happened*

Like how do you not at least take the opportunity to be like, Nick Fury has always been a Samuel L. Jackson lookalike?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 20, 2018, 02:25:24 PM
MARVEL COMICS ANNOUNCES A LINE-WIDE OVERHAUL IN 2018 (https://www.cbr.com/marvel-comics-2018-refresh-reboot/)

...again?? :thinking

LMAO  :lol

But at least this is more of a creative team thing.  Good to see X-Men characters in that artwork and LOLSPOILERS with (real) Wolverine and Miles-Spidey there.  And wow, actually showcasing THE THING. 

Also notice that apart from Ms. Marvel (who I almost wouldn't count in relation to the other comics)...there's no Inhumans.
:rollsafe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 21, 2018, 12:12:33 AM
Eh, I think sans Axl Alolso this might work, but im going to give it a good 2 years before i bother reading anything Marvel again
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 12:20:08 AM
Doomsday Clock #5 is out in June :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 01:47:16 AM
DC Comics Cancels Super Sons With #16 (https://search.app.goo.gl/jwbY)

:goty2 x 1000
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Kurt Russell on February 21, 2018, 05:36:22 AM
Who wins? This or Bishop's coloring book?

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27972720_2029894013695318_2585719104441715618_n.jpg?oh=beffc9b4ffc52e9a95812970d87ccb0b&oe=5B18FAC5)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752067_2029894043695315_281328477768990751_n.jpg?oh=d478e7cf0d116985ffde3a63616772d7&oe=5B1AE5BC)

(https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27972039_2029894037028649_1917094129692164331_n.jpg?oh=6baba1fde4a29d0629e0b9a9363f2448&oe=5B08C4A1)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 21, 2018, 07:42:52 AM
DC Comics Cancels Super Sons With #16 (https://search.app.goo.gl/jwbY)

:goty2 x 1000

Kind of looks like they're just scrapping everything for Bendis.  I still don't see him doing very well with Superman but maybe he'll surprise me- but if he were doing New Super-Man it would be perfect...and that's the one book he's not on, lol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 09:22:24 AM
Bendis is taking two of my fave books away. I haven't even read any of his shit yet but FUCK HIM.

Also, now I'm really worried for Jon (and Lois.) Would have been hard to fridge them with Super Sons ongoing, but now? Ugh.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on February 21, 2018, 09:39:36 AM
You should be afraid.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 11:35:09 AM
You should be afraid.

😨
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on February 21, 2018, 12:13:13 PM
Bendis can be a decent to good writer at times, but give him the Superman titles feel like a disaster waiting to happen.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 21, 2018, 01:05:45 PM
Bendis was pretty trash at marvel over the last half a decade, showed moments of absolute brilliance in there though. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 21, 2018, 02:15:49 PM
Bendis was pretty trash at marvel over the last half a decade, showed moments of absolute brilliance in there though.

Depends on the book.  He was consistently good on Spider-Man.  I think he does it best when he's dealing with solo or more "self-contained" characters and stories.  If he wants to take Superman out of the DC universe and do his own thing Harley Quinn-style, then maybe it will work...but I just don't see his type of writing and dialogue going very well with that particular character.  Maybe he will do great though.
:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 21, 2018, 02:26:12 PM
Bendis is taking two of my fave books away. I haven't even read any of his shit yet but FUCK HIM.

Also, now I'm really worried for Jon (and Lois.) Would have been hard to fridge them with Super Sons ongoing, but now? Ugh.

I think Bendis would actually be great if he were writing Super Sons or especially a Superboy book starring Jon.  That's actually perfect for him.  Or an Earth 2 book where he can do whatever with those currently-unused characters.

While on the subject, underwear-on-the-outside-the-pants-Superman costume is back?
:donot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 21, 2018, 03:10:20 PM
:bolo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 03:31:57 PM
:bolo cosigned

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Sorry not sorry breh, the New 52 tech suit was trash-tier. I could not stand the douchebro popped collar either.

Reborn costume was great, but a belt just isn't enough to break up a unitard. Just look how weird his crotch is here:

(https://68.media.tumblr.com/ae409a9f9a95d8baa2ebd10cd16bf5b7/tumblr_op4zv56trc1vsskleo1_1280.png)

(And before you start in with "But a good artist..." New 52 suit was trash despite being drawn by the greats. Reborn suit looks weird in the crotch area no matter who's drawing it.)

For some reason it works on Bats, maybe because it looks like he's wearing pants and not a onesie? In any case the blue pajama look just doesn't seem right without something there. It could be trunks, it could be something else, but it needs to be more than just a belt IMO.

Superman is a goofy alien. Who gives a shit if he's a briefs guy? :idont

(https://i.imgur.com/LEuhk4S.png)

They can be a great people, Kal-El, they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way. :rejoice
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 03:44:41 PM
(https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2018/01-JAN/DCNATION_0_COVER-COLOR_5a728460cd8cd9.07774873.jpg)

Dis art tho :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 21, 2018, 04:09:11 PM
So, still reading Marvel circa-2008 in MU. Read through Messiah Complex which I actually enjoyed, except that it had a non-ending and is just like whatever until it's continued in the next event. Finished up some Wolverine stuff which was stupid, then Phoenix Warsong I think it was called which was stupid about phoenix and the emma frost kid trio. On X-Factor now, around issue 10-25 or something. It's pretty great. I really wish this version of Multiple Man made it into the Marvel movies or TV shows.

As much as I really liked Legion, I still feel it would have been the perfect X-factor Investigations show with Dan Stevens as Multiple Man. From a comedy perspective, MM seems like one of the better comedy characters in the Marvel Universe and would translate well to screen. Plus having multiple dupes special effects is so easy these days it wouldn't even be particularly expensive to make.

Maybe someday when they run out of heroes I guess.

Out of curiousity I googled X-factor Investigations TV show and found this rumor from 2015 that Fox was deep into making X-Factor Investigations TV show:
https://screenrant.com/x-men-x-factor-live-action-tv-show/

Pretty sure that is Legion. So I wonder if Legion started as a pitch for X-factor Investigations and then became its own original thing at some point. Hopefully that doesn't write off a separate X-Factor show at some point!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 21, 2018, 05:00:47 PM
I've said before that I like Bendis for the most part, but man is he wrong for Superman. Canceling Super Sons is a really ominous sign too. More and more I feel like his run is going to be a total bomb. Like Devin Grayson on Nightwing level bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 21, 2018, 05:34:01 PM
BENJI!!!!

She's back!! :gladbron

EXCLUSIVE: JOSS WHEDON RETURNS TO BUFFY FOR DARK HORSE’S SEASON 12 (https://www.cbr.com/buffy-the-vampire-slayer-season-12-comic-joss-whedon-gage-jeanty/)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 21, 2018, 09:22:00 PM
Nope, sorry brehs.  Underwear-on-the-outside-of-the-pants was a look I always disliked and was glad to see go away in the last decade or so.  No, Supes, nooooooooooooo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on February 22, 2018, 07:56:01 PM
Fuck me, Batman & The Signal is awful. Writing sucks, art sucks, Duke sucks.

But mostly the writing.

And the art.

I really wanted to like Duke and waited and waited til they actually did something with him, but no... he's just a dumb character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 22, 2018, 11:10:37 PM
I feel like Marvel doesn’t even understand why their shit sucks so bad.

Like, you do a line wide relaunch called Legacy in spetember, and then you do another line-wide relaunch called fresh start in 8 months later? How do you relaunch everything every 8 months and expect the books to be any good?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 22, 2018, 11:22:40 PM
The last Batman chapter with Ivy was a neat way to start this story arc, looking forward to more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 23, 2018, 09:26:30 PM
Duke sucks. Worst thing to come out of Snyder's run. At least Bluebird's pretty cool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on February 24, 2018, 12:31:37 PM
Fuck me, Batman & The Signal is awful. Writing sucks, art sucks, Duke sucks.

But mostly the writing.

And the art.

I really wanted to like Duke and waited and waited til they actually did something with him, but no... he's just a dumb character.

Cully Hammer is fantastic, you pleb.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on February 24, 2018, 05:18:52 PM
If Supes goes to shit I might take another couple years off of comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 24, 2018, 05:24:27 PM
If Supes goes to shit I might take another couple years off of comics.

:-\

Can't say the same but I will probably give up Superman for a while, like I did after New 52 and before Convergence (and even then, I only followed Post-Crisis Supes, Lois and Jon, and not the "canon" meathead version.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on February 25, 2018, 01:02:41 PM
If Supes goes to shit I might take another couple years off of comics.

This sounds awfully silly, you'd stop reading an entire medium for years because you don't like the way Superman was written?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 25, 2018, 03:31:28 PM
It's pretty bad when I feel Detective Comics is the best team book, but it's got everything I want from an X-men book.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on February 25, 2018, 03:49:27 PM
Cant care about x-men unless they get scarlet witch to undo the last 10~ years or so of bullshit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 25, 2018, 04:56:03 PM
It's pretty bad when I feel Dectivite Comics is the best team book, but it's got everything I want from an X-men book.

It really is great. Hope they take Batwoman down a peg in the upcoming arc too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 25, 2018, 05:05:16 PM
Well I had a back log of it. So I was behind. I was way back in the arc about Orphan's mom and now I'm caught up to the current arc. What I like about is that it's a team book first. I'm conditioned by my love of X-men to be into team books over title character books I think and while Batman is clearly an important part, he's not really the main character. All of the character have gotten a lot of the spotlight and plenty of development. I like that there's an overarching storyline and long plots that are being developed throughout the arcs. There feels like a plan and that everything is going places.

My problem with X-men comics these days is that there doesn't seem to be any long game. No overarching plots that tie the arcs together. Just a series of 4-5 issues they can put into a trade and call it a day. Most members of the team seem to just stand around and there's not lot of actual development going around. Most X-men books feel like they are spinning their wheels. I have liked some of the recent Blue issues despite hating that team, but again their doesn't seem to be a long game and that's what I like about super hero comics. These long sagas that build and build into an ending.

Marvel seems to not like that. Storylines seem to be built around trades and then are always interrupted by some crossover. While I dislike that DC seems to take forever with their trades, the single issues don't feel written around trades.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 27, 2018, 04:05:43 PM
A Brief Guide to Marvel Comics' Four Relaunches—Yes, Four—Since 2015 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-guide-to-marvel-comics-four-relaunches-yes-fou-1823281867)

:crowdlaff

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Every new and relaunching series will start off once again at #1, making the decision to release months of titles with issue numbers in the multiple hundreds before reverting back look just as silly as it ended up being. In fact, some titles will feature two separate numberings, continuing the Legacy number and a new relaunched number for good measure. Which is... not confusing at all.

:crazy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 27, 2018, 04:43:26 PM
I feel like Marvel is operating on some out of date logic. Yes I understand that at one point there was fear of big numbers, that people wouldn't want to jump on things that seemed to be long in the tooth. That people would jump unto number ones because it's a number one. Maybe that was true, but I don't know I think the dust has settled. You're not getting a rush of new buyers because of the movies. If you are they probably aren't checking out single issues. People have youtube and the like to get caught up. If anything I feel like DC has shown that comic readers want an ongoing comic saga, one that dosen't restart over and over again. Media right now is serialized. No one is afraid of these overly long shows like GoT or Walking Dead. They've realized that streaming allows people to get caught up to date and there's money to be had by that. The need for having jump on points dosen't really hold water these days in how media is consumed. Marvel needs to get with the program.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 27, 2018, 08:33:25 PM
The one thing I'll say in "defense" of Marvel is that in regards to their book numbering, they've been saying that they treat everything like "seasons," hence them starting over so much.

...It's still confusing and stupid.

A Brief Guide to Marvel Comics' Four Relaunches—Yes, Four—Since 2015 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-guide-to-marvel-comics-four-relaunches-yes-fou-1823281867)

Gotta comment on this part of the article.

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There have been a few comics announced as part of the roster shakeup, however. There will now only be one Avengers book (by Jason Aaron and Ed McGuiness), after years of multiple teams bearing the name, which will unite Black Panther, Thor (the Odinson version), Iron Man, Captain America, She-Hulk, Doctor Strange, and Ghost Rider.

While I personally think this is a good thing (there's too many Avengers teams), at the same time...why would you do this when you're about to put the Avengers back in the spotlight with movies this year and next year, Marvel?  :lol ???
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Odinson will be reinstated as the God of Thunder in his own Thor series, by Jason Aaron and Mike Del Mundo.

:zzz I dunno what it is.  I loved Thor Ragnarok and the movie version in general, but I just don't care about this character in comics.  Didn't care about FemThor once her identity got revealed either.  Maybe this new creative team will change my mind.

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Black Panther by Ta-Nehisi Coates and Daniel Acuña, will pick up on the thread first teased in Marvel Legacy #1 of there being a vast Wakandan Space Empire.

Ditto here like Thor.  Also "Wakandans...iiiinnnn spaaaaaaace" doesn't seem like it's going to be a popular thing people will want after the movie.
:idont

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Following his death in Civil War (and his bizarre re-appearance in Secret Empire), Bruce Banner will be restored as the Hulk in Al Ewing and Joe Bennett’s The Immortal Hulk.

This one was obvious.  One thing about his "bizarre re-appearance" in Secret Empire- he was brought back by the magic arts that create Hand ninjas.  So that's fine.  Except one thing- Bruce Banner lost the Hulk as a part of him.  Amadeus Cho got the literal Hulk personality from Banner and put it in himself.  Remember, Marvel?  I guess the answer is we should forget about that and Marvel stories are like pro wrasslin'- forget about past events unless we tell you!   But Bruce Banner being there was no weirder than the A.I. version of Tony Stark walking around and acting like he was Tony and being away from Ironheart.

But Secret Empire sucked anyway and is best forgotten.

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In another out-there announcement, multiplying mutant Jamie Madrox—a.k.a. Multiple Man, a.k.a. future Marvel movie star—is getting his own series as part of the relaunch, too.

...Huh?  They killed Madrox off in the X-Men books.  :lol  (I know, I know...doesn't matter.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 27, 2018, 08:47:35 PM
Marvel :nope

DC :ohyeah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 27, 2018, 08:49:40 PM
They both do dumb shit.
:idont

The best superhero comic of the last decade is Invincible.  Why did it have to end?  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 06:44:16 AM
A Brief Guide to Marvel Comics' Four Relaunches—Yes, Four—Since 2015 (https://io9.gizmodo.com/a-brief-guide-to-marvel-comics-four-relaunches-yes-fou-1823281867)

:crowdlaff

Quote
Every new and relaunching series will start off once again at #1, making the decision to release months of titles with issue numbers in the multiple hundreds before reverting back look just as silly as it ended up being. In fact, some titles will feature two separate numberings, continuing the Legacy number and a new relaunched number for good measure. Which is... not confusing at all.

:crazy
Marvel actually did this before. In the early 2000s, when the books they had outsourced to Image came back from Franklin Richards pocket universe to Marvel, they started over as #1's for the second time in 14 issues and then had dual numbers on them. Thor, Fantastic Four, etc. were like #40 / #479
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 07:13:58 AM
also a reprint directors cut or something of this is out this week

(https://freshcomics.s3.amazonaws.com/issue_covers/NOV171220.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 07:15:17 AM
oh god, so is this:

(https://www.previewsworld.com/SiteImage/CatalogImage/STL068433?type=1)

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President Donald J. Trump is now the most powerful superhero in the universe and the leader of the greatest super team in history - but for how long? History is quickly being changed by something called The Mandela Effect; the universe is being Berenstained! All the things we remember are now slightly different - the way names are spelled, the way company logos look, and even scenes from Star Wars and James Bond movies! The Mandela Effect is the greatest threat our country has ever known, and only President Trump can stop it! Trump's Titans return in an all-new #1, because #4s are for losers!

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How do I send a copy of this to Grant Morrison, because the Trump stuff aside, the premise of this, especially thinking about things like changes to Star Wars/E.T. scenes could really be great in The Mutiversity Too
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lol the joke is that DC will actually let him do that second series
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:fbm
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 28, 2018, 08:49:00 AM
also a reprint directors cut or something of this is out this week

(https://freshcomics.s3.amazonaws.com/issue_covers/NOV171220.jpg)

For a second I thought this was by Rob Liefeld, but then I saw feet drawn on the cover and knew that was impossible.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 28, 2018, 08:56:20 AM
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Ditto here like Thor.  Also "Wakandans...iiiinnnn spaaaaaaace" doesn't seem like it's going to be a popular thing people will want after the movie.

What is the fascination with putting everyone in space over at Marvel? Thor, iron man, thing, Captain Marvel, Venom have all done stints in space fairly recently, almost all have been boring af. I find Coates BP to be boring anyway, so it’s probably fitting. I tried to be a good ally and read like 4 issues when he first took over, but shit is bad.

I bet that book will largely feature.... The Guardians of the Galaxy!!!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 09:11:58 AM
turning Black Panther into a space adventure with a Wakandian SPACE EMPIRE is definitely going to win over the people coming in from the movie

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he says already knowing how many "books for people coming from the movies" Marvel has tried and failed to keep up :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 28, 2018, 09:16:48 AM
also The Terrifics looks like everything i wanted it to be, and with Jeff Lemire at the helm no less, should be great for the 15-25 issues it lasts before being cancelled when DC suddenly realizes they're still publishing it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 28, 2018, 09:34:29 PM
Detective Comics #975

Wonderful issue, if a bit wordy. While I enjoyed everyone dunking on Bruce, it feels out of character that he'd just take it. Seeing Tim's interactions with everyone was great, but something about his voice felt a little off. They've been writing him a bit dumber than he should be to inject some fake drama... or maybe I'm unjustly comparing him to his pre-New 52 self, who was probably a bit older than canon Timmy is. Eh, it's still good he's back in the spotlight I suppose.

Also, the cover to the next issue is some straight-up Silver Age cheese. :lol

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/635579/635579._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on March 01, 2018, 01:31:14 PM
If they ever do that DC/Marvel crossover that was kind of teased recently, I hope it has everything to do with Booster and Skeets snooping around the MCU

(https://i.imgur.com/Navm9ot.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 01, 2018, 02:32:43 PM
If they ever do that DC/Marvel crossover that was kind of teased recently, I hope it has everything to do with Booster and Skeets snooping around the MCU

(https://i.imgur.com/Navm9ot.jpg)

One of the comic "news" sites, I think CBR, made a huge article out of this saying it confirms that the DC and Marvel multiverses are linked.

...

IT'S A FUCKING JOKE
:kinison
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 01, 2018, 02:34:15 PM

Also, the cover to the next issue is some straight-up Silver Age cheese. :lol

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/635579/635579._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)

That is awesome!  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 01, 2018, 04:03:59 PM
:batman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 01, 2018, 04:55:39 PM
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 01, 2018, 04:56:05 PM
:bow :batman :bow2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 07, 2018, 06:30:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/H0MzNEr.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 07, 2018, 06:47:14 AM
why does that look like superboy to me
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 07, 2018, 08:07:43 AM
Because he’s going to talk like a teen.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 07, 2018, 08:32:33 AM
Is that Jim Lee art?  What the hell happened there?  His face is just off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 07, 2018, 09:29:52 AM
Is that Jim Lee art?  What the hell happened there?  His face is just off.
he looks like Captain Shazam
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 07, 2018, 10:13:42 AM
Fixed it.  I think it looks better now.

(https://i.imgur.com/GQSsb1A.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 07, 2018, 12:14:46 PM
Is that Jim Lee art?  What the hell happened there?  His face is just off.
he looks like Captain Shazam

:thinking

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/b/b1/Captain_Marvel_Kingdom_Come_001.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100516222237)

:batman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 07, 2018, 12:34:27 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/COJwLcm.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 07, 2018, 04:54:55 PM
Superman #42

This book continues to be great. Thought this page was cute as hell:

(https://i.imgur.com/2NRB5rk.png)

Best marriage in comics? Best marriage in comics.

The Bizarro stuff was a little hard to read at first but then I got into it. Looking forward to this arc.

Not much time left before "BENDIS IS COMING!!!!" :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 07, 2018, 11:22:54 PM
DC editorial just need to step on his stupid streaks a bit and he should be okay, dont get too down.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 08, 2018, 12:20:05 AM
I'd be down if anyone was taking this book away from me. :'(

I've never actually read anything Bendis so I have no opinion on him right now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 08, 2018, 11:04:42 AM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-black-label-imprint-unveiled-1092933?utm_source=twitter

"DC Black Label" is DC's new attempt at a "prestige" imprint it seems. Feels very similar to the All-Star, Earth One and Elseworlds lines but kinda rolled up into one with an emphasis on the creative team.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 13, 2018, 12:33:53 AM
batman white knight - March 7
batman - Feb 21
mister miracle - Mar 14
Dark Nights Metal - Mar 14

:goldberg
:rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 13, 2018, 12:42:53 AM
Shit Metal is Wednesday? Crazy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 14, 2018, 09:53:02 AM
Momo you jackass Metal #6 isn't out until the 28th! :bolo

But you know what *is* out today?

:batman :batman :batman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 14, 2018, 10:18:22 AM
Savage Dragon #232:

-HAHA REALITY TV CREW MAKING DRAGON FAMILY DO DUMB STUFF
-Another villain who doesn't really matter is killed almost as soon as he's introduced.  He can phase his body and dies phased inside Malcolm.  Whoops!
-No sex scenes this time (wow, what's wrong, Erik?) but we do still get Maxine being so horny that it appears she's already dripping wet with anticipation of dragon dick.
-Back in Dimension X, the other Dragon who popped up last issue is revealed to be Michael Dragon from another Earth.  Assuming this is still another version of Malcolm.  It seems to be implied that the trio of Jennifer/Angel/Alex wants to "thank him" for rescuing them by snoo-snoo.
-Are we finally ever going to get somewhere with all this crap? 

Amazing Spider-Man #797:

Still no Red Goblin yet and instead it's nutso-twisted Norman Osborne who has kidnapped someone who is talking to throughout the issue.  This is revealed to be J. Jonah Jameson, who spills the beans that Spider-Man is Peter Parker.  I don't remember Norman having forgotten this (was this part of One More Day?) but he's ready to do whatever to start getting revenge on Peter.  It also may be that the Carnage symbiote itself is in complete control here.  Hard to say.  Not a lot going on considering that there's only three issues to go until this story is over.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 14, 2018, 10:40:24 AM

Momo you jackass Metal #6 isn't out until the 28th! :bolo

But you know what *is* out today?

:batman :batman :batman
I got metal wrong? :goldberg
Not Batman, Batman is out next week :batman

Scott Free :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 14, 2018, 10:52:14 AM
Tec is out today, and it's the issue whose cover :batman is from. :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 14, 2018, 11:51:57 AM
aka Robin booty in yoga pants  :batman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 14, 2018, 12:10:04 PM
aka Robin booty in yoga pants  :batman

It's no Dickbutt, but it'll do. :drool
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on March 15, 2018, 12:38:50 AM
So I'm assuming that Mister Miracle is being held captive by
spoiler (click to show/hide)
The Lump and he will have to kill his newborn son to escape?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 15, 2018, 01:20:31 AM
You should probably spoiler that since a lot of people are behind, but yeah that looks to be the case, I bet it's Barda and not his son, they've spent quite a number of chapters emphasizing their closeness. could also just be a red herring  :thinking
EDIT:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
More on red herring, he seems to have all the signs of PTSD and they directly mention Jacob's Ladder, that combined with the fact that Tom King is writing a universe wide PTSD story after this, may just mean he's experiencing this all in his mind without external influence  :trumps
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 15, 2018, 04:03:57 PM
Super Sons and Superman out the same day next week :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2018, 01:06:41 AM
i consumed much of the young animal universe (no vore)

Mother Panic is great, so is Cave Carson has a Cybernetic Eye.

The actual only real complaint about I have is whatever it is that holds back Doom Patrol from not having delays.

Also, the "reboot" coming out of the Milk Wars, I'm kinda iffy on, mainly in MP as I liked the interaction with the Bat-family, and jumping ahead ten years seems like it would mess up all the side characters along with the main Gather House arc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2018, 01:18:33 AM
in non-DC, i read The October Faction which seemed to have a decent premise but refused to get started with it until the series literally ended and also a lot of the art was colored stupidly. Like seriously, this is a 18 issue series before its "renaming" (and hiatus/ending) and it seems like at the end of the first arc they're setting up the premise of a monster hunting family, but they literally don't get around to establishing this until like issue 14. :lol

also, The Great Divide which was a quite fun take on a post-apocalyptic setting, and i don't know if it's ended ended or creator ended or just eternally delayed but i'm okay if it's ended as is (even if hinting at the arc villain recurring on the last panel which is kinda argh...), it unfurled the central arc mystery to the events the characters were in without explaining the entire thing regarding why it happened and was happening to the world, etc. ala The Walking Dead which is under Kirkman's mandate to never reveal the cause of the zombies...unlike TWD though it has a protagonist i wouldn't wish had died already (seriously does anyone care about Rick at this point lol, i'm convinced Kirkman hasn't killed him just because he knows nobody would care and more people would be happy) and as the main character is smartly used by being the only one to be given "riders" in a way that lets us experience the change that occurs (other than the dyslexia, which could have been amusing for the book to attempt)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 18, 2018, 10:40:18 PM
Detective Comics #976

AKA :batman

They're writing Tim like a whiny teenager, which fair enough - that was him a lot on his solo Robin series and even in the beginning of Red Robin. Problem is, this Tim is supposed to be older than his early teenage Robin years. I get that seeing a version of your future self try to kill people would kinda mess with you (not to mentioned being imprisoned for a couple months by Mr. Oz... side note, what was the point of that, anyways?) but not only is Tim now acting more impulsively than fucking Jason, he's getting literally zero respect or understanding from Batman (kinda like Jason, actually. :doge)

I get they have to inject drama but the issue ends with Tim being offered Bat-Tim's Bat-computer dump from the future by a known sociopath, and of course he's gonna take it and it's gonna lead to even more drama.

Where's my smart, charming, happy Timmy of yore? :goty2

(https://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/67173/1931676-tim_and_cassie.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/f6/38/67f638f7a651ca151fbe733a194bc701.jpg)

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/63/1b/da631b1049e457f36cc6fa2ba9dbc299.jpg)

:'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 18, 2018, 11:13:46 PM
They are rebooting Mother Panic? Milk Wars is important to the story of it? I skipped milk Wars because Mother Panic was the only Young Animal book I was reading.

Edit-Yeah I don't like the sound of it. I've liked the low key on the edge tone of the series so far. Not sure how I'd like it being some strange Batman Beyond like world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 19, 2018, 03:03:51 AM
Naw, Milk Wars is kinda fun because she interacts with Batman in their team-up issue. And the "Milk Wars" setups are supposed to be HELLS for the Young Animal characters not the DC ones, so they're peaceful, cloyingly happy worlds. :lol

Milk Wars actually doesn't entirely have to do with anything outside of Doom Patrol (who caused it and featured the main villains prior), but they're using it as the point where the reinventions of the series start afterwards. (Shade from Girl -> Woman, etc.)

I think they might be shifting Mother Panic because as fun as her interactions have been with the Bat Family, it makes more sense for her story to be occurring in a post-Bat Gotham, since otherwise Batman would be handling this stuff himself rather than letting her run wild. I don't think they're actually going to be changing the series significantly, just time-shifting it a few years and taking out Batman. So not like all the way to Batman Beyond future. Just a decade. But some of the details on that have been conflicting. Like there was one comment that you should just pretend the existing issues already took place in this new time frame, but Wray has made it sound like more futuristic. Of course he doesn't write the thing, thankfully.

I hoping the former is true and they just continue with the side characters where the last issue left off with them, and it's like the ten years timeskip was always there from the start.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 21, 2018, 03:02:30 PM
Superman #43

(https://i.imgur.com/OiNPc6N.png)

Bizarro Robin ("Robzorro) is revealed to be... an eloquent, polite, French-mustache-sporting ladies man. :lol :lol :rofl

(https://i.imgur.com/QQxMFJV.png)

And he may or may not be boyfriends with Bizarro Superboy ("Boyzarro.") :thinking :uguu

This whole arc is so fucking insane and cute and I love it.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:drudge

(https://i.imgur.com/peejwKQ.png)

NONCENSENSUAL KISSING!!! :trigger
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2018, 07:52:05 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/eU0acXw.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 22, 2018, 08:22:52 AM
Action Comics writer Dan Jurgens tweeted these yesterday:

https://twitter.com/thedanjurgens/status/976491070514180096

https://twitter.com/thedanjurgens/status/976493025093455872

:neogaf

Shitstorm incoming?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 22, 2018, 09:00:33 AM
Shitstorm incoming?
Incoming? Bleeding Cool already has a stupid article up, saw it this morning - https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/03/21/action-comics-writer-dan-jurgens-fat-people/ hopefully no one reads this shit blog anymore (saw it on reddit)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2018, 09:07:16 AM
Quote
As the writer of Action Comics at DC, Dan Jurgens gives a voice to a superhero who represents the best of humanity, despite being an alien from outer space. But when Jurgens himself went up, up, and away for an airline flight, his tweets about a fellow passenger seemed to lack a certain compassion the big blue boy scout is known for.

Of course, a First Class plane ticket can cost 10 times as much as a regular ticket, and even buying two regular seats can be expensive depending on the flight. And the problem with airline seating seems to be one of the airlines’ making, as airline seats have continuously gotten smaller and smaller, even as the average size of Americans has gotten larger, part of a general trend to cut costs and pack more travellers onto a single plane. Even for an average-sized person, a trip on most modern airlines is far from comfortable. For a person of above average size, it can be a nightmare.

Given all of that, reactions to Jurgens’s tweet were negative, accusing the writer of fat-shaming, lacking empathy, and contradicting the principles he writes about, amongst other things. But Jurgens followed up by doubling down.

It looks like Jurgens hasn’t yet reconsidered, even though several followers have responded by telling him he’s lost them as a fan. Maybe he’ll have a change of heart by the time he lands? Perhaps he even talked with the “immense fat guy” who was unfortunately seated next to him and gained a new perspective on the issue? If this were a comic book, that would be the ending we’d expect to see.

We’ll let you know if anything changes when the plane touches down.
fatty triggered amirite lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2018, 09:09:19 AM
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Bernardo Marra  Flinkman • 16 hours ago
Also, the DC PR team must be breathing a sigh of relief that he just left AC before this whole FatGate thing probably explodes across the media.
:trigger -gate suffixes :trigger
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on March 22, 2018, 09:29:24 PM
Maybe he was just sitting next to a Clark Kent who had been afflicted with fat Kryptonite?

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/cartoonfatness/images/9/9a/Fat_superman_03.jpg)

also the fact that this wiki exists is lol
http://cartoonfatness.wikia.com/wiki/Superman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 22, 2018, 10:12:57 PM
Who does Dan think reads comic books?

Also, I’ve been reading bendis’s recent Defenders run and... I am actually.... enjoying it?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 28, 2018, 05:23:10 PM
Mother Panic looks like it'll be just fine at least.

Doomsday Clock was kinda interesting.

METAL was kind of a let down, especially since, like the whole rest of it...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 29, 2018, 01:17:24 AM
Metal was waaaay too kumbaya
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on March 29, 2018, 12:26:17 PM
I liked Metal a lot, but man was that last issue rushed. It at least needed some extra pages, if not a whole extra issue. The problem seemed to be more the writing. They wasted #5 and The Wild Hunt on making everything seem hopeless, when they probably could have spread some of the turn around into issue #5 or TWH. But Snyder has always ended his stories pretty poorly, if you ask me, so Metal kind of landing with a 'thud' is no surprise.

With DC, I've always operated under the assumption that anything Justice League-related isn't actually happening because it almost always seems to take place within it's own little world. JL books or events never really bleed over or tie into the other books or series in a meaningful way. Metal and the whole No Justice thing seem to be continuing that tradition. I'm still eager to see where Justice League goes from here though. I just treat it like an Elseworlds thing.

Doomsday Clock felt like another honest- to-god proper followup issue to Watchmen. I'm really enjoying it so far, although it's a really slow burn. At some point it feels like its going to have to change gears and shift into a more typical DC, higher octane event. That's what I'm expecting at any rate, but I'm not seeing how they could make that tonal shift at this stage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 29, 2018, 01:19:54 PM
Since I'm hopelessly behind on all things DC, I'm just going to read the entire Metal mini-series and its tie-ins rather than read up until the event starts.  Doesn't really look like there's too many tie-in books anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 29, 2018, 01:27:32 PM
Invincible Iron Man #577+578: This is really starting to feel very Bendis-- lots of dialogue and people meeting each other, but nothing really happening to actually progress the storyline.  Riri gets confronted by some people working for Stark Enterprises who claim all her tech, saying it's their patents and whatnot.  She is then visited by Blade is told to accept a "position at M.I.T." that is actually some kind of secret SHIELD operation (I thought SHIELD was disbanded?  Uh...) staffed with some other armor users like Toni Ho and Arno Stark.  She then gets the go-ahead to get her armor back, presses a button on her watch, and the armor activates and comes right back to her right out of the crate the Stark people were about load onto a plane.  Then everyone jumps on a lead to go search for Tony Stark and it's a dead end of sorts, but Stark hijacks Stark A.I. hologram Friday's signal and talks through her, telling people not to come look for him.  OK...?  We also finally get somewhere with the completely separate Infamous Iron Man story that pops up every now and then in these books since his series got canceled.  Doom heads to his old castle in Latveria, gets taken down by The Hood and a bunch of villains, escapes right out of his armor and teleports to a woman's apartment that he apparently knocked up ( :lol) and asked for help.  Still nothing to do with Tony Stark and crew, yes, but the Hood thinks that they need to find Stark to find out whatever Doom is hiding (they just want his riches, wherever they are- maybe try in a bank account?  :doge)  Also notably-absent the last few issues is A.I. hologram Tony, but I assume he was just off-panel the whole time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 29, 2018, 01:42:12 PM
By the end of Metal I didn’t really understand what was happening or why. The earth fell below the darkness or something because Batman got bukkakeed by 9 metals.

The only part I really found interesting were the tie-ins. The actual series sort of sucked. It was just too confusing, and not well explained.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on March 29, 2018, 03:06:43 PM
Bendis only has like 2 issues left on Iron Man before he leaves I think, so he better hurry the fuck up. The Infamous Iron Man stuff is still pretty damn good, but the whole search for Tony Stark and is just fucking dumb and dragging on. I thought for sure this would be the issue where Doom goes back to being a mangled monster who hides under a mask, but he got out of that pickle. It's a shame Doom is inevitably going to go back to his classic self, because I actually really like him  now. The old Doom is such a one-note character. Healed Dr. Doom trying to repent is the only reason to bother reading Iron Man for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on March 30, 2018, 01:46:30 PM
By the end of Metal I didn’t really understand what was happening or why. The earth fell below the darkness or something because Batman got bukkakeed by 9 metals.

The only part I really found interesting were the tie-ins. The actual series sort of sucked. It was just too confusing, and not well explained.

Yeah same. Interesting premise for a Crisis event, but lost me along the way and the ending was a bunch of nothing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2018, 03:41:00 PM
WARNING: benji post; with some extended wrap-up thoughts re: METAL

Since I'm hopelessly behind on all things DC, I'm just going to read the entire Metal mini-series and its tie-ins rather than read up until the event starts.  Doesn't really look like there's too many tie-in books anyway.
The series/tie-ins reference events up to the start, especially Snyder's Batman run (which ended with New 52) and the Court of Owls. But it's not essential to the METAL story itself other than this, the Court's actions in an earlier plotline were not just part of torturing Bruce, but to set him up. Also, there's some tie-ins to DARKSEID WAR, when Bruce had Metron's chair he learned a bunch of stuff about the universe, that's why he has The Joker in a cell under the Batcave. (Also, this story is why Darkseid is a baby.) The tie-in issues also have references to prior events, almost all of these get enough of an explanation that you don't need to know the original, there's lots of "random thing before now means something" type stuff.

All the rest are gravy references to place METAL within the DC Epic.

The main one that METAL doesn't explain, isn't Snyder related and not in anything from New 52 is why Nightwing's head is slashed open and he's having visions. It's Dr. Hurt/Thomas Wayne (from RIP) who showed up for two issues to slice Nightwing in the head with a specific metal and sound like he was going even more mad, when he was actually foreshadowing Barbatos' plan which started like the next week in METAL. Snyder obviously wasn't aware of this or didn't give a shit because even in METAL the plotline doesn't go beyond the tie-ins written by the Nightwing writer and Nightwing basically doesn't do anything or help. :lol

I liked Metal a lot, but man was that last issue rushed. It at least needed some extra pages, if not a whole extra issue.
It was already an extended issue, 48 pages, and it's received at least three months of delays. METAL was supposed to be basically over by the time 2018 started, and Doomsday Clock would pick up the banner as the EVENT, except the delays to that are why we're getting NO JUSTICE.

Problem was, fell back to Snyder writing a big superhero fight for 20 pages, and then a tighter and better done Batman/Joker showdown of sorts. Followed with an epilogue to actually explain what happened. :lol

Also DC writ large decided to use METAL to do some tinkering with existing series, as well as shuffle in and out creative teams. Which is a bit of a response to:
With DC, I've always operated under the assumption that anything Justice League-related isn't actually happening because it almost always seems to take place within it's own little world. JL books or events never really bleed over or tie into the other books or series in a meaningful way. Metal and the whole No Justice thing seem to be continuing that tradition. I'm still eager to see where Justice League goes from here though. I just treat it like an Elseworlds thing.
DC books have been for a couple months now been taking place "post-METAL" as there's been plenty of references to it in the past-tense. The delays were apparently not due to Snyder, so the storyline was known to the other writers but they didn't want to tip anything about it. Like Batman's proposal to Catwoman is the result of his coming back from METAL I believe. But King until recently couldn't outright say that was the reason.

As noted, DC is coming out of METAL with far more changes than were originally planned (just these new series like The Terrifics, etc.) because the delays created a post-METAL gap that was never expected to be there. METAL would have ended and things gone back to normal as Doomsday Clock continued to unfold. But METAL got delayed, Doomsday Clock got delayed even more. And Bendis/creative teams.

This has come together to where they were going to relaunch the JL sets originally this summer,  including bringing back Dark and having a Suicide Squad/JL-mashup team, but what DC seems to have done is asked the METAL team to create a new event to explain the new Justice League teams, which is NO JUSTICE. The four teams in the teaser and in the series are not entirely the JL teams that will come out of it, but are close. Like Wonder Woman will be leading JLDark, Harley and crew will be in the one JL team with a tech focus (iirc), Martian Manhunter is into the main JL book which will take on a space/global focus, Batman's JLA team will be the "ground" based team. With all of them taking on JLA's "redemption" concept which is why they have villains/anti-heroes in them.

Basically METAL got upgraded to a larger scale EVENT that DC has lined up a bunch of changes to "come in the wake of" that go beyond the six series they originally intended to launch. (Two of which are already two issues in lol, while another, I think DiDio's book is like a year behind now.)

By the end of Metal I didn’t really understand what was happening or why. The earth fell below the darkness or something because Batman got bukkakeed by 9 metals.

The only part I really found interesting were the tie-ins. The actual series sort of sucked. It was just too confusing, and not well explained.
Snyder wrote a Morrison Epic but he's not the level of writer to provide the density where re-reading makes it clearer, METAL basically doesn't get clearer on re-reads once we get to the events of METAL proper. It's by and large a loud mess and reveled in that batshit loudness until this last issue.

I'll make things worse by trying to explain some of it for you while also working through my thoughts on it and where it went.

The Dark Multiverse, exists literally underneath our standard universe and is where corrupted stories go to die. Stories with endings that wipe out everything, bad dreams that aren't fully formed and so collapse, twisted versions of our heroes, etc.

Batman discovered that the supernatural metals of the DC Universe were pointing to a greater purpose, which was that they can open the gateway to the Dark Multiverse, especially because the original "thing" at the helm of The Forge has disappeared. (Which allowed Barbatos to trap Carter Hall as his Forge.) The entire first half plot was based around how only Batman could put this together and get it to the right point (partly because of when he traveled through time post Final Crisis), where the agents of Barbatos could trick him and open the gateway.

After that Earth (which is the center of the Multiverse) began to literally sink into the Dark Multiverse. (Which again, is below the Multiverse. Literally below it.) If it did Barbatos would end "good" stories. End heroes. End hope. The Trinity overcame this by finding the Tenth Metal (which arguably should be the eleventh since BATMANIUM! HOW DID THEY FORGET BATMANIUM!) within The Forge which was the one thing that could stop the Dark Multiverse as it's literally "God's metal" of creation.

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The Batman Who Laughs part in the finale was the backup plan for Barbatos, which if he couldn't have the universe, no one could. They were going to merge The Monitor and the Anti-Monitor (well, his brain) to destroy all reality.
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The "antenna" stuff was a call back to the first two Crisis in which the big bad's built antennas that the heroes then used to turn the tables. The Thule was a throwback to Final Crisis (and The Multiversity), Barbatos to The Return of Bruce Wayne.

The Epilogue infodump is actually the end game of METAL because the two pages where the heroes were all holding hands and shit and they cracked the Source Wall and God's hand appeared, Barbatos (or something) used the connection powered by literal metal of creation to make some of his terrors (and maybe even worse in the case of Atlantis, some people's hopes) real before he was bound.

And for the upcoming NO JUSTICE, the breaching of the Source Wall called the attention of billion year old celestials. (I use celestials here because not only do they fucking look like Marvel's but "METAL", they sound like the same exact concept, each one an embodiment of a concept.)



This ultimately was the part I liked and disliked most about the finale. (Other than Snyder closing his take on The Joker by making him essential to save the universe.) I disliked that Snyder shoved that all into an Epilogue. And infodumped it over two pages. I liked that Snyder realized he couldn't come up with a more powerful metal AND pull off a stunt to revert the universe without it having consequences of all types.

From a canon wank perspective, I disliked that he's tied it to breaching the Source Wall without doing any of the canon research he did for everything else. The Wall has been breached multiple times before, including by Batman of all people, and it's been canon even before Wildstorm was integrated that The Bleed is on the other side of it. Morrison changed this in The Multiversity for a specific reason. (He also renumbered the Earth's, so there's no Earth 52. The Earth 53 Snyder had come to the rescue skips an Earth!) The Multiversity explains what's on the outside of the new Source Wall. Other multiverses. As The Empty Hand has come from recently destroying Multiverse-2. Snyder appears to be using it to instead bring back things from the DC Canon.

And it's through exploring this that I come to METAL's central problem. Barbatos. Once the Dark Batmen are shoved aside, outside of the Batman Who Laughs, so that the heroes can confront a literal Barbatos is when the epic falls apart. When they're battling Barbatos as a concept, the story takes on its epic apocalyptic tones and the heroes are seemingly doing more than punching even as everything fails until they realize what they're battling. And this is why I called it an attempt an a Morrison Epic. Morrison constantly makes his ultimate villains a concept entity. Darkseid goes beyond a super tyrant, an alien power, even an Evil God, instead he's the personification of No Free Will. His physical "defeat" by Batman in Final Crisis, is what brings about the All Over, as he's dragging down reality with himself. The Empty Hand, exists, along with his Gentry minions, as concepts taken to an unending horror. Barbatos should have been and stayed this, the embodiment of nightmares, a creature literally created by our nightmares and fears, who has become so empowered because of Batman's rejection of this. The Dark Batmen exist because Batman didn't succumb even in those nightmares including the Snyderverse one and including the ones where he had to trap his friends in hell to survive.

By the end we're seeing Dark Wonder Women, etc. and some are drawn interesting on their own, but unlike the Dark Batmen, we didn't get their backstory which was way more effective than I thought. The story never grapples with The Dark Batmen, outside of one, not being servants of Barbatos, but instead trying to save their universes. Arguably for five pages of wanking about heroes and metal and hope as white swirls around, it would have been more effective for the heroes to re-emerge in the Dark Batmen, to reject Barbatos seeing what his endgame actually is, shattering Barbatos' hold on the nightmares and requiring him to fall back on the one who wasn't "broken" but chose willingly to "break" in The Batman Who Laughs.

This is also a way you can get to the deus ex machina of the "Tenth" Metal and do it all on panel. The first half of the series and the one-shots touch on it, but the story mostly loses it, WHY THE FORGE EXISTS and why it's in the Dark Multiverse, etc. And you can use it for the same reason. The ended stories are being destroyed in The Forge to provide the fuel to create new stories. A sacrifice of the other Dark Batmen to provide the fuel for Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman to come back from within The Forge with the "Tenth" Metal that essentially ends Barbatos' plans and ties up the "metal" and Dark Batmen's plotlines. Something METAL doesn't actually do. Batman and The Joker still need to do the one thing that only they know, which is track down their counterpart, to end the backup plan, AND get The Monitor, who happens to know how to pull the Earth out of the Dark. But most importantly it shifts the deus ex machina to being one that actually deals with the concepts of The Dark Batmen and Barbatos, by defying him, they provide the fuel to return our heroes, it's an inverse of the start when our heroes are used to open the door to Barbatos and elevate the Dark. It also firmly plants METAL as a story about heroes/hope/dreams/aspiring vs. terrors/fear/nightmares/despair.

Overall, I have loved METAL though, even when it sprawled all over, it was in a fun way. But it never really escaped Snyder's heavy hand, which is why some of the tie-ins like Batman: Lost and Wild Hunt were more engaging than stuff in the main book. (I have to assume Snyder's buddy Tynion saved a lot of these, as did their buddy Williamson, as they're credited on the stronger stuff...thankfully they're both full credits on all of No Justice!)

One thing kinda weird to me is that Snyder didn't used to write so clunky. American Vampire (until Second Cycle) is tightly plotted and handles its scope better, The Black Mirror start of his Batman career is brilliant and even into Court of Owls does a lot more with its plotting, Death of the Family doesn't get out of control and sticks to its central hook even, up until Zero Year which is where it falls apart. And Eternal is a mess. Both of them could have been half as long. Endgame is a mess that only seems tightly plotted because it's six issues, and even there its brilliant moment of OH SHIT WE SERIOUS is earlier and ultimately irrelevant. Even The Wake seems okay, and Swamp Thing was fine, Rotworld is...actually...Rotworld is sorta like a METAL test-run, now that I think about it...hmm...huh. Interesting.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 30, 2018, 03:53:53 PM
I read that and remain confused 🤷‍♀️

One thing I sort of like about 1980s comics is that they have so much exposition and are so verbose that the plots rarely are truly confusing in the way this is.

I thought the beginning of Metal was great, with the investigation into the connection between these supernatural weapons and what not, but the connection with Barbados and how he tied it all together with the court of Owls needed more explanation, IMO. Same with the 10th metal (and Batmanium) and how all of that tied to Barbatos.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on March 30, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
By the end we're seeing Dark Wonder Women, etc. and some are drawn interesting on their own, but unlike the Dark Batmen, we didn't get their backstory which was way more effective than I thought. The story never grapples with The Dark Batmen, outside of one, not being servants of Barbatos, but instead trying to save their universes. Arguably for five pages of wanking about heroes and metal and hope as white swirls around, it would have been more effective for the heroes to re-emerge in the Dark Batmen, to reject Barbatos seeing what his endgame actually is, shattering Barbatos' hold on the nightmares and requiring him to fall back on the one who wasn't "broken" but chose willingly to "break" in The Batman Who Laughs.

This is also a way you can get to the deus ex machina of the "Tenth" Metal and do it all on panel. The first half of the series and the one-shots touch on it, but the story mostly loses it, WHY THE FORGE EXISTS and why it's in the Dark Multiverse, etc. And you can use it for the same reason. The ended stories are being destroyed in The Forge to provide the fuel to create new stories. A sacrifice of the other Dark Batmen to provide the fuel for Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman to come back from within The Forge with the "Tenth" Metal that essentially ends Barbatos' plans and ties up the "metal" and Dark Batmen's plotlines. Something METAL doesn't actually do. Batman and The Joker still need to do the one thing that only they know, which is track down their counterpart, to end the backup plan, AND get The Monitor, who happens to know how to pull the Earth out of the Dark. But most importantly it shifts the deus ex machina to being one that actually deals with the concepts of The Dark Batmen and Barbatos, by defying him, they provide the fuel to return our heroes, it's an inverse of the start when our heroes are used to open the door to Barbatos and elevate the Dark. It also firmly plants METAL as a story about heroes/hope/dreams/aspiring vs. terrors/fear/nightmares/despair.

I like your ending better.

A lot of Metal seems to be about saying "fuck it" and throwing any sort of storytelling caution to the wind, and just making a crazy story where things only make sense if you keep rolling with it and don't think too much about it. That makes the ride a lot of fun the first time you're on it, but it doesn't lend itself well to being revisited.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2018, 04:13:54 PM
The Owls exposed Batman to a bunch of the metals, and openly said they were there just to see Bruce lose and bring about the end, after that they weren't really relevant and bailed out.

Barbatos is in/from the Dark Universe, the metals just opened things so The Dark Batmen could come through and set things into motion. Barbatos never actually leaves the Dark Universe, Earth is pulled into it.

The "Tenth" Metal was what Barbatos was preventing from being created when he swapped in the corrupted Carter Hall at The Forge. It's the metal of creation itself, Barbatos was blocking it from being created which "evened" the playing field essentially and allowed the Dark Universe to move up to our level, otherwise the normal process of creation would keep the Dark Universe at the bottom.

The Bats and Birds stuff was supposed to be that Morrison style mythology, but it wound up just being an extension of his Court of Owls plotline and also the fact that Hawkman/woman had to be allies with Batman and end the war, because the start of their war (which Batman started after Final Crisis when he went back in time) was when Barbatos first set the plot in motion by seeing and marking him beginning his attempts to get through. (First through Thomas Wayne/Dr. Hurt.)

Snyder never explained the other half of the mythology though, so the importance of the birds kinda never gets explained.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 30, 2018, 04:14:30 PM
Also, was there any explanation of where Joker came from in the final part of Metal? That was crazy confusing to me.

Like, it was cool and sort of make sense that the only thing that can beat a jokerified Batman is Batman + the Joker, but didn’t he disappear in the the casting or the forge? Disappeared to where? And why would he even work with Batman? And what did Batman do with him after? And why did the Joker seem to kind of know what was going on?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2018, 04:23:43 PM
The Joker was there because he knew what would happen, he was in the secret Batcave when Batman was uncovering everything about the metal, he was trying to stop Batman and Duke and them. He was explaining it at the time, even the bats and the birds, and that Batman was going to bring forth something dark, it just didn't make any sense. I'm assuming he knew to be there because he knew what was happening and knew to be there for the same reason Batman was, he just went about it a bit more carefully.

As Batman bails out with The Monitor in the background of the panel, you can see the Joker fighting with The Batman Who Laughs as the cave is collapsing around them, Bats had bigger priorities than those two once he had The Monitor.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2018, 04:25:09 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EYHNZhP.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2018, 04:37:49 PM
Of course, that whole ambiguity allows The Batman Who Laughs to come back...

The other Dark Batmen are shown (or implied by being in the battle) being outright killed by the Tenth Metal empowered Justice League. He notably isn't. (As well as already being hiding in a place where the Tenth Metal couldn't go.) Not to mention his sharing traits with the always escaping death Joker.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 30, 2018, 10:18:58 PM
I might have to reread it form the beginning and see if it makes more sense without the long gaps between issues.

I always have trouble with cosmic stories. There’s just a layer of abstraction where I feel like I don’t really understand enough to enjoy it...

I largely felt the same way about Infinity.

I never get lost in Bendis events though... :doge

I also would have guessed that the Joker would like the idea of destroying everything, maybe even really like the irony of a Batman destroying everything.

Edit: injustice Batman has multiple kids, so he will always be known as the Batman who cream pies
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2018, 02:41:09 AM
Batman is his, Joker doesn't want Batman running off getting the Multiverse killed. That'd be mean he couldn't play with his friend anymore.

From The Casting:
(https://i.imgur.com/TIzxGbH.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/pGYb96h.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/9YjQ0PG.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 31, 2018, 03:39:27 AM
Underneath our universe is the Dark Universe, it's where all our nightmares, our fears, our corrupted stories, go to be destroyed to create new stories. Barbatos helped pluck The Dark Batmen from this oblivion while our Batman chased the mystery of the METALS that led him to open up the gateway to the Dark Multiverse so they could come through. Barbatos attempts to sink the Earth into the dark, replacing the Multiverse with only darkness. No hope of escape, only endless nightmares.

For like 90% of the story, it's the heroes losing again and again, because the foes are Batmen, they're always one step ahead and our heroes are doing the work for them, except these Batmen have nothing holding them back like ours. It's great because it's so absurd and over the top and crazy, dumb fun that lets itself be dumb fun while canon wanking to build up the despair and parade of horribles.

Then it gets SNYDER ENDING. Which is what the above is mostly talking about.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 31, 2018, 05:42:36 AM
Metal started to piss me off with the Hawkguy shit then it made me go nuclear with the last chapter, whatever, looks like they will use this setup to turn some heroes bad and vice versa with villains so maybe there's some interesting shit to come.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2018, 02:15:13 AM
METAL self-contained but as a launching pad for the five new series originally announced plus bringing back Hawkman was totally fine to me, but it does now seem like during the delays that editorial was like "we're making this more of an event" and thus that epilogue infodump and NO JUSTICE

NO JUSTICE actually has already expanded, it was a four issue intro to Snyder taking over the Justice League book with some ties to METAL (namely Hawkman back and with Jonn joining the team), now it's a larger series launching/reworking FOUR Justice League books
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 01, 2018, 02:16:32 AM
oh shit, Justice League Dark is going to have some DARK MULTIVERSE tie-in bullshit now isn't it rather than just being a crappy name for an inferior Shadowpact with Constantine all over it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 01, 2018, 05:31:53 PM
Are any of the new metal books any good?

Damage looks like the Badrock solo book we always wanted
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on April 01, 2018, 06:26:22 PM
The Batman who Laughs is the best part of Metal

And its fitting the only person that can go against him in some form is the one that ultimately created him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on April 01, 2018, 06:41:09 PM
Looking back at previous posts and now i see where that Batman avatar came from  :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol


Superman #42

This book continues to be great. Thought this page was cute as hell:

(https://i.imgur.com/2NRB5rk.png)

Best marriage in comics? Best marriage in comics.

The Bizarro stuff was a little hard to read at first but then I got into it. Looking forward to this arc.

Not much time left before "BENDIS IS COMING!!!!" :-\

Yea that was fucking excellent.

Sucks when your parents are Superman and the best Reporter in DC comics  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on April 02, 2018, 04:34:00 PM
I read Nailbiter (vol.1-6) while traveling and it was pretty enjoyable. I liked the characters, the slasher kills, the mysteries. In the end I think it's hard to make any sort of reveal to a mystery that's been stretched an entire series satisfying, so was kinda disappointed in the reveal, but was a decent finale. I think for a comic version of a slasher film they did a good job with it. Had solid art too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 03, 2018, 12:57:01 AM
Batman #43
(https://i.imgur.com/WoJo8vE.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on April 03, 2018, 12:58:46 AM
The Tom King run has been good.  Really dry humor.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 03, 2018, 07:12:16 AM
Batman #43
(https://i.imgur.com/WoJo8vE.jpg)
all y'all late y'all (http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=32804.msg2402084#msg2402084) :snob
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 03, 2018, 08:47:13 AM
It was posted too close to a bleeding cool article and i was blinded, sorry :goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 07, 2018, 06:42:30 AM
Batman White Knight Issue 7 was good, i liked it after a bunch of meh stuff before, looking forward to the end conclusion next issue. The weirdest part about Batman Issue 44 to me is how Batman can sleep through the chapter, thought he would be a lighter sleeper.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on April 09, 2018, 01:05:02 AM
I still can't understand how after all these years there hasn't been a DC/DBZ or Superman/Goku crossover

(http://i.imgur.com/mg4VOOX.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 11, 2018, 02:23:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ir80Hee.jpg)

:lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 11, 2018, 02:38:32 PM
I still can't understand how after all these years there hasn't been a DC/DBZ or Superman/Goku crossover

(http://i.imgur.com/mg4VOOX.jpg)

I still can't understand how after all these years people would want a DC/DBZ or Superman/Goku crossover
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on April 11, 2018, 03:13:38 PM
I still can't understand how after all these years there hasn't been a DC/DBZ or Superman/Goku crossover

(http://i.imgur.com/mg4VOOX.jpg)

I still can't understand how after all these years people would want a DC/DBZ or Superman/Goku crossover

So you can have an official Superman vs Goku battle to nerd-reference in that perennial debate. Otherwise, it would probably suck because I honestly don't know how you'd possibly mash those 2 universes together since they clash so much. I guess you could do it like Batman/Spawn and Spawn/Batman back in the 90's, where there's an Image version and a DC version... but then you wind up with the question of which is the official version or which counts more. Meh.
Although if you did it Metal style where you just sort of say 'fuck it all' and try to tell a silly, fun story, it could work.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on April 11, 2018, 03:17:38 PM
And I have to sing the praises of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles book from IDW. This is easily one of the best, most consistently solid books I've been keeping up with for several years now. Not always great, but also never bad or tiring.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 11, 2018, 03:32:50 PM
IDW transformers is pretty good too. But the books are numbered in such a way to punish new readers. Whoever chose how to number that shit was a serious asshole.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 12, 2018, 01:14:21 PM
I still can't understand how after all these years there hasn't been a DC/DBZ or Superman/Goku crossover

(http://i.imgur.com/mg4VOOX.jpg)

I still can't understand how after all these years people would want a DC/DBZ or Superman/Goku crossover

So you can have an official Superman vs Goku battle to nerd-reference in that perennial debate. Otherwise, it would probably suck because I honestly don't know how you'd possibly mash those 2 universes together since they clash so much. I guess you could do it like Batman/Spawn and Spawn/Batman back in the 90's, where there's an Image version and a DC version... but then you wind up with the question of which is the official version or which counts more. Meh.
Although if you did it Metal style where you just sort of say 'fuck it all' and try to tell a silly, fun story, it could work.

Two completely different styles of comics and storytelling.  Would not work very well.  Actually I could see it working within Dragonball because it would probably be done in a humorous way.  'Murica?
:nope
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on April 12, 2018, 04:23:02 PM
Captain America #700 had a good ending.The entire run so far has been really simple stories, like some other comics try really hard to tell deep, thematic stories but this is just 'cap encounters problem, cap saves day'. Shame Samnee is gone but Romero is just as good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 15, 2018, 01:57:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twDxFVT3gdo

I like these guys, discovered this channel recently :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 18, 2018, 01:17:47 AM
BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT #8 9/5
BATMAN #45 18/4
MISTER MIRACLE #8 18/4
DOOMSDAY CLOCK #5 Who cares, whatever

Two of my books out today :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 18, 2018, 06:43:05 AM
BATMAN #45
 :crazy
SPOILER REVIEW
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 18, 2018, 06:53:37 AM
MISTER MIRACLE #8
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Kinda dreading where this ends up for Scott tbh, I feel this is going to end in the most fucked up way possible
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on April 20, 2018, 10:30:37 PM
Man every time Tom King does a great story he follows it up with a shit arc. How can he be allowed to completely write Booster out of character like that?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 24, 2018, 02:24:47 AM
For Tasty's eyes only
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 24, 2018, 07:15:55 AM
BATMAN #45
 :crazy
SPOILER REVIEW
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:crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :confused :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy :crazy
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Was wondering about this- so Booster Gold pulled a Flashpoint and now it's...Batpoint?  More alternate world nonsense again. :hyper

For Tasty's eyes only
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(https://i.imgur.com/ze8WATp.jpg)
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I thought Krypto got killed off?   ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 24, 2018, 07:27:44 AM
Been catching up on Spider-Man books.

Amazing #799: Just not feeling this final Dan Slott story.  Crazy fucked-up Green Goblin possessed by Carnage should be something insane, but it's...just not.  Maybe #800 will up the ante.  I'm definitely ready for the new creative team now.

Ben Reilly, The Scarlet Spider: Didn't read this one for a while.  They finally acknowledged Secret Empire and Las Vegas is shown...kind of in ruins?  Huh?  In Secret Empire it looked like a crater.  Here there's just some places that are fucked up here and there.
:confused
It continues to be difficult to root for Ben after he was turned into a villain before and they really shouldn't call this "Ben Reilly, Scarlet Spider" since bro-clone Kaine is also there and gets the spotlight in some issues.

Renew Your Vows: This is the alternate reality Spider-Man book that came out Secret Wars, where Peter is still married to Mary Jane and they have a daughter with spidey-powers.  It's fun to read because it's entirely self-contained and is kind of like the old Spider-Girl series in that you get a different take on various Marvel characters- like you get the X-Men shown as being more like their 1991 versions, albeit with Wolverine married to Jean Grey (and they have a kid).  Spider-Man himself is the same, but he's joined by Mary Jane and their daughter fighting crime.  MJ first gets a power-suit that she can use to take power from Peter and turn into strength for herself.  That causes problems so they end up giving her the Venom symbiote.  She goes crazy for an issue or two but then makes the symbiote 'submit' in her mind and has full control over it.  Fine with me since as Venom, she basically looks like Spider-Woman II...the other costume they gave her was this awful white suit.  The big bad here is Harry Osborn's kid, who has been taking grandpappy's goblin serum and is now a super-intelligent 10 year old running a corporation and doing evil things.  His mother (Liz Allen) seems to be aware of this and doesn't care...which is... ???  About to finish up what I assume is the end of his arc since the book pulls a time skip and their daughter is shown as a teenager in recent issues.
EDIT: Read two more issues- The symbiote gets destroyed so bye-bye good Mary Jane costume design.  White mess is back  :yuck. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 24, 2018, 11:10:18 PM
I like the Scarlet spider and Renew your vows books, but I’ve always had a soft spot for spider books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 25, 2018, 07:19:40 AM
Am not liking Renew Your Vows anywhere near as much post time skip.  The artist they brought on also kinda sucks.   :-\

Old Man Logan: OH SHIT Mariko was resurrected by the Hand!  OH SHIT she got injected with nanomites that disabled their mind control!  OH SHIT she's helping Logan kick Hand ass!  OH SHIT Mariko being back is huge for the character and OH SHIT she decides to go off and do whatever after a couple of issues and that's it. 
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on April 25, 2018, 12:27:45 PM
Yeah, Renew Your Vows was a lot better before the time skip, IMO. I don't even understand whats up with Normie Osborn either. Before the time skip, he was said to be on a clear path towards being evil, but now he's a good teenage kid with a crush on Spider-Girl? Or whatever she ends up calling herself?

They had a chance to write in some really sweet slice-of-life style stories to contrast against all the typical superhero comic book action you'd expect, but with the time skip, they guaranteed that they won't do that in favor of focusing on Annie and her teenage adventures. Thats what the book has been since the skip and I doubt it'll go back. Really sucks. They ruined the dynamic that made it interesting apparently because everyone who writes comics not named Tomasi and Gleason can't possibly fathom how to write a family-centered comic with young kids in it. So they said, 'fuck it, let's write more comics about teenage angst and drama'.

I still like Old Man Logan, even though they're clearly running out of steam creatively. Overall, I like Wolverine as a broken old man/Clint Eastwood archetype than the usual angry berserker murder machine.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2018, 02:15:57 AM
in celebration of Action Comics #1000, let's go back 400 issues when Superman had a...different vibe about himself:

(https://i.imgur.com/h4JephR.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 26, 2018, 02:45:44 AM
Action comics 1000 was a total waste of my time, fyi.

I don't think I particularly liked any of the stories. The bendis one left me not at all interested in seeing waht's next as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 26, 2018, 07:24:53 AM
Action comics 1000 was a total waste of my time, fyi.

I don't think I particularly liked any of the stories. The bendis one left me not at all interested in seeing waht's next as well.

A BIG UGLY ALIEN GUY WAS HIRED TO DESTROY KRYPTON PLOT TWIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:snore :boring
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 26, 2018, 07:36:17 AM
The Hunt For Wolverine #1: Marvel finally gets to Wolverine being back in the Marvel Universe, after we saw him pop up with an infinite stone and make a few cameos here and there in some books, following Secret Empire months ago.  The impact here would have been greater if they hadn't already revealed that he was back, but there's still a surprise here...sort of. 

Wolverine died after being encased in adamantium.  The X-Men took his body and put it in a "memorial" up in a cabin in the frozen north.  This book follows X-Men baddies The Reavers, who intend to steal the body and sell it off to the highest bidder.  Some X-Men are alerted and turn up to stop them.  During the fight, the Reavers decide to cut Wolverine's body out of the adamantium casing.  And then we get THE BIG SURPRISE.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
It turns out that Kitty Pryde phased his body out of the shell after he died and they gave him a proper burial in an undisclosed location.  So when the Reavers cut open the metal shell...there's nobody in there and they're utterly defeated. Kitty goes to his grave and thinks something is wrong, so she phases into the ground and finds the grave empty.  Later on in the book we then get a scene of Wolverine all in black (like Superman when he returned from the dead after the whole Doomsday thing  :doge) killing some dude and constantly popping his claws which are all bloodied.  He appears to be inside a prison cell.  Makes no sense since he was running around before this comic came out.
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Then there's a second story, which is just setting up for all the little mini-series spinning out of this.  Kitty recruits various superheroes to help go search for Logan, AKA BUY MORE COMICS AND GIVE US MONEY!

I still like Old Man Logan, even though they're clearly running out of steam creatively. Overall, I like Wolverine as a broken old man/Clint Eastwood archetype than the usual angry berserker murder machine.

I caught up on all the issues and he just keeps getting more and more fucked up.  Missing adamantium on set of claws and left after the latest story with injuries and a fucked-up eye.  I wonder if they are planning to keep him around or if he's gonna get killed off or go back to his 'world' now that O.G. Wolverine is back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 02, 2018, 07:43:05 AM
Batman #46
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmd1qMN5Yo0
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meow
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2018, 07:57:21 AM
it'll never work

at least not without a whole bunch of leather
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2018, 08:03:13 AM
the Joker story in DC Nation is a little more standard Tom King

it's also the start of his first true Joker story which is supposed to be the start of the second half of his run
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 02, 2018, 08:19:05 AM
I dont mind that Tom King is smearing his shit on the walls for this arc, I mean that's the point of these mini arcs, he can do whatever in 2 - 4 comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 11, 2018, 01:33:34 AM
JL#1 Variant
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/8P23kvz.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 11, 2018, 02:39:51 AM
BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT #8
Beautiful champ, I grew a bit distrustful of this comic in the middle, but the start and end is solid stuff. 8/10 would recommend.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 11, 2018, 02:44:37 AM
BATMAN: WHITE KNIGHT #DONE
BATMAN #45 16/5
MISTER MIRACLE #8 6/6
DOOMSDAY CLOCK Who cares, whatever

I'm going to need 3 more books friends, I'm done with Doomsday, Metal and WK so i have spots to fill
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2018, 03:54:56 AM
do you want ongoing series or just anything? i quite like the entire Young Animal line and i was ready to shit all over it, especially Gerard Way's Doom Patrol....East of West is my favorite on-going, inconsistently published, wondering if it's lost the plot, indie series since Rucka totally lost the plot on Lazarus due to Trump...i've also become more positive about The Wild Storm, but i do wonder if it makes sense to anyone not already familiar with what it's "rebooting"...actually Doom Patrol being a direct sequel to Morrison's version and not all other iterations probably would have that problem except nobody reads Doom Patrol outside of Morrison's run...it'd be like talking about Swamp Thing outside of Alan Moore's run even though there's been a lot of fun with that character done post-Moore, including in the New 52 version started by Snyder

speaking of Snyder, the justice league: no justice thing from the METAL/ETERNAL team (Snyder/Tynion IV/Williamson) started this week
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 11, 2018, 04:11:00 AM
I need ongoings really. I'm fond of Wonder Woman but I cant deal with the split bullshit. Anything with Zatanna or Raven (not in teen titans) would be great.


EDIT: Yes I'm going to check out no justice.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 11, 2018, 05:23:00 AM
Wonder Woman is still doing the year one/modern day split? That's why I fell off too. I assumed that was going to get dropped after the first two stories ended, the collected editions only collect the arc itself.

I don't even get it now, I thought at first they were going to intertwine or have some connection justifying the split stories, especially with the titles, but then "The Truth" and "The Lies" didn't come together at all. Aside from the fact that they erased the New 52 and gave her yet another but basically the same origin.

Don't know why Rucka wanted to erase the New 52 version so bad, I really liked most of it actually, the Gods were better done than since...well, Rucka's prior stint ages ago.

I was considering looking into what's been happening with Green Arrow and Deathstroke last week, maybe Aquaman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 11, 2018, 05:45:40 AM
Green Arrow was great last I checked, cant really remember why I dropped it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 11, 2018, 08:14:19 AM
JL#1 Variant
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/8P23kvz.jpg)
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Superman just looks fucking stupid back in those trunks.  Sorry, it's just dumb.
:trumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 11, 2018, 08:57:09 AM
I don't understand why DC just didn't launch two Wonder Woman books.  Did they not think two would sell?

Recent reading:

Old-Man Logan- Is this getting canceled or something, or are they starting to prepare this character to get killed off with O.G. Logan back?  Old Man Logan has pretty much lost his healing factor (a story that they did with O.G. Logan before they killed him off just a few years ago, lol) and has one bad/scarred eye and is missing adamantium claws on one arm (still has bone ones) because of it.  His current story says he left the X-Men but returned to go get a medical check-up while the team was gone.  Cue bad guys attacking the mansion with the younger X-teens and Old Man Logan around.  I'm pretty behind on X-Men apart from Astonishing, where he's still there, but as far as I can tell he's still on the teams? :???

All-New Wolverine- This book is gearing up to be canceled.  I think the next issue is the last one.  They're doing a "future" storyline where "old woman Laura" is dying and wants to go clean shit up in the utopia-like future she's in.  The Wolverine in this timeline is now a grown-up Gabby in armor.

Astonishing X-Men- :zzz.  Just do not care about this "Man called X/Proteus" storyline going on.  And the Shadow King is back.  AGAIN.  They couldn't get rid of him for more than a couple of issues?

The Hunt For Wolverine- These are various little mini-series and one-shots.  The latest one, Adamantium Agenda, has some flashbacks with Wolverine from when he was with the New Avengers, but apart from that has NOTHING TO DO WITH HIM AT ALL. :lol  It's just a Spider-Man/Iron Man/Luke Cage/Jessica Jones New Avengers reunion book where they're trying to stop arms dealers. 
:dead

Captain Marvel- This character is just so "eh," but I was going through some recent issues and there was a fun little storyline where she gets pulled into a mirror universe and has to deal with "bad" versions of her friends.  The Guardians Of The Galaxy are here and mirror-Groot is a giant carrot who says "I AM ROOT" and Rocket Raccoon is a humanoid female for some reason, lol.  Thanos is the "good guy" here but still kind of a hardnosed asshole.  I think there's potential for the live action movie next year to maybe get a better creative team behind Captain Marvel, but she really needs an overhaul.

Mighty Thor- Don't read this but wanted to see how she went out.  They didn't kill off Jane and instead she gets to live, de-powered, and still has cancer.  Yaaaaay....?  This ends femme Thor and it's back to Odinson from here on out. 

Red Sonja- I really liked how this series (volume 4, IIRC) started, with Sonja being lifted out of the past and put into the present day.  They seem to have ended that storyline and she's back in the past now.  Things are changed up a bit there and the story still isn't bad, but I'd rather have more present-day shenanigans.  Sonja in the city, riding motorcycles, and beating up drug dealers was fun. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 16, 2018, 01:30:01 AM
https://www.dccomics.com/comics/justice-league-dark-2018/justice-league-dark-1 (https://www.dccomics.com/comics/justice-league-dark-2018/justice-league-dark-1)

picking this up 100%


How's Red Hood and the Outlaws?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 16, 2018, 02:43:15 AM
https://www.dccomics.com/comics/mystik-u-2017/mystik-u-1

gotem
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 16, 2018, 08:43:47 AM
TIME FOR ANOTHER 'EPIC' MARVEL EVENT STORYLINE even though they totally said they weren't doing stuff like this for a while

X-Men: Extermination, coming this summer.

SEE THE FUTURE WHERE THE X-MEN ARE BEING HUNTED BY SENTINELS (again)

SEE THE X-MEN UNDER CONTROL AS HOUNDS FOR AHAB (again)

SEE THE FUTURE X-MEN GO BACK TO THE PAST TO CHANGE THINGS (again)

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"This series is about the Original Five - Jean, Bobby, Warren, Hank and Scott," Brisson told Marvel.com. "Years ago, they were brought from the past to our present so that they could see how badly things went wrong with their older selves and, theoretically, fix it. They were only meant to be here briefly, but have stuck around for far, far too long and their presence is finally going to have some very serious consequences - not just for themselves and the X-Men, but for all of mutantkind."

Hey, uh...did you not read the previous issues of X-Men, writer-dude?  The original five DID try to go back in time and found that time had righted itself-- they were now "replaced" by other versions of themselves and then decided to go back to the present time since they they no longer had a past to go back to.  This didn't even happen that long ago.
:neogaf

EDIT: From the CBR comments section on this:

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I thought it was already confirmed they are alternate reality versions of the originals.


It was retconned that way and that altered - again - in a later arc. ugh.

LMAO.


How's Red Hood and the Outlaws?

Dunno.  Haven't read it in a couple of years.  Is Lobdell still shitting it up or did someone else take over the writing duties?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 16, 2018, 08:54:53 AM
Still Lobdell afaik
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 17, 2018, 01:13:44 AM
Read no Justice #1 and I .. like it. I hope they give some of the lesser known heroes some shine. On to #2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on May 17, 2018, 01:35:02 AM
I’m an unlimited reader and am just getting to marvel legacy... and wtf is this shit?

I don’t even pay monthly for these books and I feel conned. Despicable Deadpool is dumb as hell, he reverts to the status quo in like 2 issues. Same for basically everything else. Another marvel non-event event.

Their editorial has gotten seriously bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 17, 2018, 03:22:54 AM
>marvel comics in 2018
not even once.

look axis of shit alonso is gone, but it will take a long time for them to recover
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Borealis on May 17, 2018, 07:46:59 AM
Any recommendations for non-DC and Marvel comics y'all have read of late? If not, the good runs from either of em?

Looking to get back into comics and not sure what to pick up. Think the last I read was American Vampire. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 17, 2018, 10:40:39 AM
Any recommendations for non-DC and Marvel comics y'all have read of late? If not, the good runs from either of em?

Looking to get back into comics and not sure what to pick up. Think the last I read was American Vampire.

Savage Dragon from Image Comics is some fucked-up fun.  I also really like the current Red Sonja series from Dynamite, which initially takes the character and Kulan Gath and puts them into the present day.

Would highly recommend Invincible from Image, written by Robert Kirkman of the Walking Dead fame.  It recently ended and was just an all-around awesome superhero comic.  Shits all over everything from Marvel and DC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 18, 2018, 03:54:17 AM
American Vampire was pretty dope, Snyder had such promise. I'll make a cliche big list of non-DC/Marvel that includes Vertigo even though it's DC because you lose some of the greats otherwise

Ended or Unofficially Officially Ended:
Planetary
DMZ
Fatale/The Fade Out
Irredeemable/Incorruptable
Invincible
Fables
Queen and Country
100 Bullets
Fallen Angel
Top Ten
The Manhattan Projects
Thief of Thieves
The Damned
Planetary
Planetary
Planetary
Planetary
Lucifer


Still going...though some may be on hiatus as indie books are more and more taking after Saga and publishing an entire storyline then taking off three or more months rather than trying to stick to monthly...
East of West
Injection
Jupter's Circle/Legacy
Lazarus
Powers
The Massive


If you mean "non-cape" books instead, some of these have superheroes, but they all play with the concept. Invincible plays things more "realistic" in terms of human impact and Irredeemable's hook is "what if Superman makes a mistake, kills millions, and decides to roll with it rather than trying to save the day?"

Alan Moore's Supreme is kind the pinnacle Superman examination freed from his DC constraints and so long ago too...

Speaking of, people either love or really hate Saga, both sides are probably right.

There's a silly Japanese set series called Wayward, that was apparently originally a pitch to reboot Buffy for the 2010s (and this makes the characters make way more sense now as they're clearly gender split expy's for Willow, Angel, etc. lol), that features a girl powered by the spirits of stray cats and violent fox-girl and the one bad guy's threatening words to start his plotline are "tell me more about this 'internet'" and I'm not sure if I'm actually supposed to be taking it seriously or not. :lol

I dunno, this is probably no help, what kind of stuff do you like Borealis? Other than American Vampire and Planetary of course.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 18, 2018, 02:13:58 PM
There's a silly Japanese set series called Wayward, that was apparently originally a pitch to reboot Buffy for the 2010s (and this makes the characters make way more sense now as they're clearly gender split expy's for Willow, Angel, etc. lol), that features a girl powered by the spirits of stray cats and violent fox-girl and the one bad guy's threatening words to start his plotline are "tell me more about this 'internet'" and I'm not sure if I'm actually supposed to be taking it seriously or not. :lol

Holy shit...I know the guy who does the art on this.  Went to Japan for the first time with his brother and stayed at his apartment back in 2001.  He was trying to get a career in manga going.  Looks like he moved back Stateside, did some stuff, and is back over there now.  Small world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 21, 2018, 12:38:34 AM
Justice League No Justice
Mystik U
Justice League Dark
Batman
Mister Miracle

This is what i'll be reading still open to 2 - 3 more ongoings.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 21, 2018, 12:49:02 AM
Batman Issue #47 - glad this Booster shit is over
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 21, 2018, 03:14:14 PM
Gleason Superman is over :fbm

Super Sons is ending Wednesday :goty2

Tynion 'Tec is ending in two weeks :goty

Adventures of Supersons in August :gladbron
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: ILikePizza on May 21, 2018, 03:36:34 PM
Any recommendations for non-DC and Marvel comics y'all have read of late? If not, the good runs from either of em?

Looking to get back into comics and not sure what to pick up. Think the last I read was American Vampire.

I would highly recommend Southern Bastards and Moonshine.  They are my two favorite on-going series at the moment.  I've started reading Kill or Be Killed as well, seems like a pretty good series so far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 21, 2018, 03:55:14 PM
Also there was a rumor (semi-but-not-really "debunked" by Jim Lee and Snyder) that DC is going to do a full reboot soon (New 52 style) and that Bats' and Supes' marriages would be undone AGAIN.

But it's seeming like it won't come to pass. Even Didio isn't that dumb... is he?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Gonna be honest, if that happened I'd probably drop comics altogether - for the first time since I started reading them.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Junpei the Tracer! on May 21, 2018, 04:30:22 PM
Any recommendations for non-DC and Marvel comics y'all have read of late? If not, the good runs from either of em?

Looking to get back into comics and not sure what to pick up. Think the last I read was American Vampire.

I don't know if having a print edition is important to you but Tyler Cross is very good but it's only available digitally. Co-signing Moonshine,100 Bullets,Kill or be Killed(which is ending in a few months),Southern Bastards(which has very irregular release schedule) and Deathbed(which is ending in a few months).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on May 21, 2018, 06:18:50 PM
There's a silly Japanese set series called Wayward, that was apparently originally a pitch to reboot Buffy for the 2010s (and this makes the characters make way more sense now as they're clearly gender split expy's for Willow, Angel, etc. lol), that features a girl powered by the spirits of stray cats and violent fox-girl and the one bad guy's threatening words to start his plotline are "tell me more about this 'internet'" and I'm not sure if I'm actually supposed to be taking it seriously or not. :lol

Holy shit...I know the guy who does the art on this.  Went to Japan for the first time with his brother and stayed at his apartment back in 2001.  He was trying to get a career in manga going.  Looks like he moved back Stateside, did some stuff, and is back over there now.  Small world.

Interesting, my last ex was a fan of Wayward. I read the first trade or two but it felt kinda manga derivative so I dropped it. Seems successful though, so congrats to your friend.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 21, 2018, 08:24:18 PM
Also there was a rumor (semi-but-not-really "debunked" by Jim Lee and Snyder) that DC is going to do a full reboot soon (New 52 style) and that Bats' and Supes' marriages would be undone AGAIN.

But it's seeming like it won't come to pass. Even Didio isn't that dumb... is he?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Gonna be honest, if that happened I'd probably drop comics altogether - for the first time since I started reading them.
[close]

I can see the Batman/Catwoman marriage not lasting, sure.  But not a reboot so much as a divorce or another character death.  Doubt Superman/Lois is going anywhere unless Bendis decides to fuck something up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 21, 2018, 11:07:18 PM
Also there was a rumor (semi-but-not-really "debunked" by Jim Lee and Snyder) that DC is going to do a full reboot soon (New 52 style) and that Bats' and Supes' marriages would be undone AGAIN.

But it's seeming like it won't come to pass. Even Didio isn't that dumb... is he?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Gonna be honest, if that happened I'd probably drop comics altogether - for the first time since I started reading them.
[close]

I can see the Batman/Catwoman marriage not lasting, sure.  But not a reboot so much as a divorce or another character death.  Doubt Superman/Lois is going anywhere unless Bendis decides to fuck something up.

I think he might be fucking things up (surprise!)

The upcoming Adventures of Super Sons maxi series in August is setup as a "flashback" set after Super Sons #16 (5/23) but before Man of Steel #1 (5/30.) So I'm guessing he changes something big in the status quo. :-\

And that MoS description:

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A new era begins for Superman as a threat from his earliest origins reemerges to destroy the Last Son of Krypton. As Superman struggles to come to grips with what has happened to his wife and son, he must also face a new threat that’s determined to burn down Metropolis!

He's gonna fucking kill them for shock value isn't he :goty
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 22, 2018, 08:36:12 PM
My guess is that Suberboy's age gets accelerated and he's a teenager.  Then he can write him just like Miles Morales.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 22, 2018, 09:04:24 PM
My guess is that Suberboy's age gets accelerated and he's a teenager.  Then he can write him just like Miles Morales.  :doge

Well Snyder said post-Metal with the Source Wall gone that Superboy Prime might come back. Considering how he flipped out on Connor I wonder how he'd react to Jon... :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 22, 2018, 09:08:59 PM
He becomes Jon's best bud and they go to midtown-Metropolis high school and ohmygod does that girl like Jon?!  He can't talk to her omg he's totally gonna talk to her go get her and Suberboy Prime is rooting for him and lots of talking and dialogue and action?  We don't have time for that yow!  Dialogue.  BENDIS.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 22, 2018, 09:31:47 PM
Jon is gay thank you very much (https://i.imgur.com/FuqnPhm.gif)

Just like all my favorite DC characters lmao.

/tumblr
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 22, 2018, 09:39:05 PM

/tumblr

:exxy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on May 22, 2018, 10:26:00 PM
My guess is that Suberboy's age gets accelerated and he's a teenager.  Then he can write him just like Miles Morales.  :doge

so..terribly with no consequences for his actions?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 23, 2018, 04:40:10 PM
https://screenrant.com/tim-drake-role-dc-rebirth-comics/

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The third, though, may be the most important: Tim Drake is beginning to understand the concepts of time and space that underpin the DC Multiverse. And if there is anyone in the DC Universe who can understand the forces at work, it's Tim. He's stepped out of the spotlight to solve this mystery for now, but when he returns... well, expect big things with Red Robin's name all over them.

:rejoice Just like last time (post-Batman RIP.)

Hopefully, unlike last time, they won't kill all this character growth and momentum with another big reboot to cap it off.  >:(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 23, 2018, 09:25:20 PM
Invincible Iron Man #700:

I'm just going to spoil the whole thing, because it's dumb and not worth reading.  There's a bunch of artists on this one, so some pages are just awful art-wise, and full of inconsistencies like Tony having facial hair one page and then none on another.

This is the last Bendis-written issue and it opens with...Rhodey being resurrected from the dead, following his death at the hands of Thanos at the beginning of Civil War II.  We get a Benis-monologue from A.I. Tony Stark that real Tony fucked around with his DNA or whatever which is what allowed him to come back from being "dead" and he figures he can do the same for Rhodey, who comes right back to life. 

"Tony Stark is Tony Stark and will NOT be out Tony Stark-ed." -Quality writing from Bendis that you can look forward to in Superman!

Meanwhile, Riri Williams, who teamed up with some armor teens, has been brought before...Leonardo DaVinci.  Yup, they're tying this back into the SHIELD origin story-thing.  Leo is making a new version of SHIELD and he's got people like Blade and Miles Morales signed up. 

Tony's real parents meet up (his mother,a former rockstar who worked for SHIELD, killed his father for being a double agent of Hydra, but surprise!  He's back AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO THE FUCK THESE PEOPLE ARE SO WHO CARES :zzz)

The Hood and his crew of super-villains are threatening the one Stark Inc. board member who tried to take over the company while Tony was "dead" and then Doom and Doombots show up, followed by Tony and Rhodey.  How did they find out what was going on?  Who fucking cares.  Doom fights Hood who turns into a monster and appears to be about to blast his face.  I guess we're getting old villain Doom back?

Back with Tony's parents, MJ comes in and shoots him in the shoulder and Hydra goons come out and SURPRISE it's nu-SHIELD with Riri and Miles-Spidey and...Cable?  WTF?  Why is CABLE there?  Who knows?  Nobody is explaining anything!   Tony and Rhodey pop up and the Champions also just come in from nowhere and Tony is interested in Nu-SHIELD too.

Doom, with a bloodied face, is back in the ruins of his castle and appears to be doing some kind of spell.  Why did Doom decide to do a face-turn and be a good guy for all this time?  WHO KNOWS!  Bendis isn't telling.  Thanks, Bendis.

And that's it*.  Dumb, dumb, DUMB end storyline and I guess with everyone back, Dan Slott can just ignore all that shit and start fresh.  Doom can go back to being a villain and fight the returning Fantastic Four.  Nu-SHIELD...uh, sure.  Whatever.

I've been reading that the whole "SJW Marvel" thing has failed big time, which explains why Tony is back as Iron Man, fem-Thor is dead and Odinson is back in the saddle, etc.  Even Ms Marvel's sales have slumped to the point where they're getting rid of G. Willow Wilson.  GOOD.  Please go back to making better comics again, thanks.


(*There's 1-2 more pages, where a time-traveling mutant whose name I forget goes to the future to see Dr. Strange, and it's actually an older Tony instead.  But this has nothing to do with Iron Man and is a "teaser" for an upcoming X-Men storyline that they're just throwing into random Marvel books as "end credit scenes.")
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 24, 2018, 12:31:15 AM
Going to read Analog, because i'm bored  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on May 24, 2018, 10:03:17 AM
I don’t think that Marvels problem is the SJW thing, so much as they just have been making shorty books.

I don’t really like the SJW tilt in the books, but would tolerate it if the books were actually good and events had any sort of impact. But things revert to the status quo so quickly, or some approximation of it that nothing even feels like it matters.

Tony died? Never fear, we will have the exact same character but blue. Wolverine died? Don’t worry we have a solution for that too. Old, female, and young wolverine, please take your pick.

I really like Bendis on certain books. His recent Defenders run is really enjoyable, I think, but on a lot of books he sucks. I’m kind of curious what Slott will do. Broadly, I liked many stories in his Spider-man run even though I feel like turning Peter into a man-child has been kind of dumb.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on May 24, 2018, 08:02:30 PM
Invincible Iron Man #700:

I'm just going to spoil the whole thing, because it's dumb and not worth reading.  There's a bunch of artists on this one, so some pages are just awful art-wise, and full of inconsistencies like Tony having facial hair one page and then none on another.

This is the last Bendis-written issue and it opens with...Rhodey being resurrected from the dead, following his death at the hands of Thanos at the beginning of Civil War II.  We get a Benis-monologue from A.I. Tony Stark that real Tony fucked around with his DNA or whatever which is what allowed him to come back from being "dead" and he figures he can do the same for Rhodey, who comes right back to life. 

"Tony Stark is Tony Stark and will NOT be out Tony Stark-ed." -Quality writing from Bendis that you can look forward to in Superman!

Meanwhile, Riri Williams, who teamed up with some armor teens, has been brought before...Leonardo DaVinci.  Yup, they're tying this back into the SHIELD origin story-thing.  Leo is making a new version of SHIELD and he's got people like Blade and Miles Morales signed up. 

Tony's real parents meet up (his mother,a former rockstar who worked for SHIELD, killed his father for being a double agent of Hydra, but surprise!  He's back AND WE HAVE NO IDEA WHO THE FUCK THESE PEOPLE ARE SO WHO CARES :zzz)

The Hood and his crew of super-villains are threatening the one Stark Inc. board member who tried to take over the company while Tony was "dead" and then Doom and Doombots show up, followed by Tony and Rhodey.  How did they find out what was going on?  Who fucking cares.  Doom fights Hood who turns into a monster and appears to be about to blast his face.  I guess we're getting old villain Doom back?

Back with Tony's parents, MJ comes in and shoots him in the shoulder and Hydra goons come out and SURPRISE it's nu-SHIELD with Riri and Miles-Spidey and...Cable?  WTF?  Why is CABLE there?  Who knows?  Nobody is explaining anything!   Tony and Rhodey pop up and the Champions also just come in from nowhere and Tony is interested in Nu-SHIELD too.

Doom, with a bloodied face, is back in the ruins of his castle and appears to be doing some kind of spell.  Why did Doom decide to do a face-turn and be a good guy for all this time?  WHO KNOWS!  Bendis isn't telling.  Thanks, Bendis.

And that's it*.  Dumb, dumb, DUMB end storyline and I guess with everyone back, Dan Slott can just ignore all that shit and start fresh.  Doom can go back to being a villain and fight the returning Fantastic Four.  Nu-SHIELD...uh, sure.  Whatever.

I've been reading that the whole "Social Studies Warrior Marvel" thing has failed big time, which explains why Tony is back as Iron Man, fem-Thor is dead and Odinson is back in the saddle, etc.  Even Ms Marvel's sales have slumped to the point where they're getting rid of G. Willow Wilson.  GOOD.  Please go back to making better comics again, thanks.


(*There's 1-2 more pages, where a time-traveling mutant whose name I forget goes to the future to see Dr. Strange, and it's actually an older Tony instead.  But this has nothing to do with Iron Man and is a "teaser" for an upcoming X-Men storyline that they're just throwing into random Marvel books as "end credit scenes.")

so his iron man ends like his spider man did.. with a bunch of bullshit. i hope they reign his ass in at dc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 24, 2018, 08:57:13 PM
Re: Invincible Iron Man #600

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Meanwhile, Leonardo Da Vinci—the actual one, and, because this is Marvel, one of the original founders of SHIELD centuries ago—recruits Miles Morales and Riri Williams into his secret new organization designed to act in SHIELD’s place.

:lol

I'd throw shade but Uncle Sam was a real DC character who was in the limelight at times (most notably Infinite Crisis, where he and his team get brutally murdered lol.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 25, 2018, 12:17:59 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/james-tynion-ivs-excellent-run-on-detective-comics-has-1826240199

:rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Borealis on May 27, 2018, 10:17:55 PM
Savage Dragon from Image Comics is some fucked-up fun.  I also really like the current Red Sonja series from Dynamite, which initially takes the character and Kulan Gath and puts them into the present day.

Would highly recommend Invincible from Image, written by Robert Kirkman of the Walking Dead fame.  It recently ended and was just an all-around awesome superhero comic.  Shits all over everything from Marvel and DC.

American Vampire was pretty dope, Snyder had such promise. I'll make a cliche big list of non-DC/Marvel that includes Vertigo even though it's DC because you lose some of the greats otherwise

Ended or Unofficially Officially Ended:
Planetary
DMZ
Fatale/The Fade Out
Irredeemable/Incorruptable
Invincible
Fables
Queen and Country
100 Bullets
Fallen Angel
Top Ten
The Manhattan Projects
Thief of Thieves
The Damned
Planetary
Planetary
Planetary
Planetary
Lucifer


Still going...though some may be on hiatus as indie books are more and more taking after Saga and publishing an entire storyline then taking off three or more months rather than trying to stick to monthly...
East of West
Injection
Jupter's Circle/Legacy
Lazarus
Powers
The Massive


If you mean "non-cape" books instead, some of these have superheroes, but they all play with the concept. Invincible plays things more "realistic" in terms of human impact and Irredeemable's hook is "what if Superman makes a mistake, kills millions, and decides to roll with it rather than trying to save the day?"

Alan Moore's Supreme is kind the pinnacle Superman examination freed from his DC constraints and so long ago too...

Speaking of, people either love or really hate Saga, both sides are probably right.

There's a silly Japanese set series called Wayward, that was apparently originally a pitch to reboot Buffy for the 2010s (and this makes the characters make way more sense now as they're clearly gender split expy's for Willow, Angel, etc. lol), that features a girl powered by the spirits of stray cats and violent fox-girl and the one bad guy's threatening words to start his plotline are "tell me more about this 'internet'" and I'm not sure if I'm actually supposed to be taking it seriously or not. :lol

I dunno, this is probably no help, what kind of stuff do you like Borealis? Other than American Vampire and Planetary of course.

I would highly recommend Southern Bastards and Moonshine.  They are my two favorite on-going series at the moment.  I've started reading Kill or Be Killed as well, seems like a pretty good series so far.

I don't know if having a print edition is important to you but Tyler Cross is very good but it's only available digitally. Co-signing Moonshine,100 Bullets,Kill or be Killed(which is ending in a few months),Southern Bastards(which has very irregular release schedule) and Deathbed(which is ending in a few months).

Thanks for the suggestions all. Think I might jump into a couple of the Image comic suggestions first. Also, is Transmetropolitan any good?

Was reading Saga until about issue #30 I think, probably should get back to it. Went through Snyder's run of Batman around the same time, but honestly can't recall where I stopped (I think Zero Year, with Joker taking over the world?) and have no idea how his run concluded. 

And yeah, kinda disappointed with how American Vampire's panned out after I caught up with it last week, can't believe the Second Cycle just ended 11 issues in :( There's barely any discussion on it online, no idea why there's another hiatus.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 28, 2018, 01:16:38 AM
Justice League No Justice #3 - I'm still onboard for now, I wish they would give team Wonder more panels though.

Also, nice drawings guys :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 30, 2018, 10:11:31 PM
Amazing Spider-Man #800 is out today and it concludes the Red Goblin storyline, but is not Dan Slott's final issue- that's #801.  This one is like 80 pages long and is the entire finale; no extra "milestone issue!!!" crap here.

Enjoyed this a lot more than Invincible Iron Man #600.  I still think this final Slott story is a bit on the weaker side, given the villain (the scope of things just never felt big enough), but you can tell that Slott actually cares about what he's writing, unlike Bendis's "I'm out, bitches" vibe.

Is there anything major that happens here?  Yes, but nothing earth-shattering.  There is a character death here but I get the feeling this character will end up returning later on because comics.

Spoilers:
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-The issue opens with Spider-Man and co. recovering after a Red Goblin beat-down.  Anti-Venom (Flash Thompson) comes to their aid and uses his man-made symbiote to heal everyone but Spidey with.  Doing this drains his symbiote and you can see it visibly fading from his body.  HINT HINT

-During the battle, Red Goblin reveals that all the little needles he has been shooting contain a kind of poison that will go through the nervous system and into the brain, killing the victim slowly and extremely painfully.  He also tells Spidey that he's off to go kill his family and goes after Mary Jane first.

-Normie Osborne, Red Goblin's grandson, who got infected with the Carnage symbiote, goes to kill Aunt May.  She is saved by Doctor Octopus (No more "superior name" although it's still him in a cloned Peter Parker body) and when Spidey comes in, Ock says he still has Peter's memories and couldn't bear to let anything happen to May, so Spidey says they're square and lets him go off to do whatever.  (JJJ is also there in a remote-controlled Spider Slayer robot, but basically does nothing)

-A subplot here is that Norman is trying take over Alchemax (who bought Oscorp) from his son's ex-wife but this kind of fails due to all the shit going on.  This is also when Normie starts getting turned back to a good kid again...maybe.

-J. Jonah Jameson is the smartest man in the world, because he figures out that Eddie Brock is Venom and calls him.  He asks Venom to help.  Venom goes to save Mary Jane and beats up the Red Goblin, who escapes after Spidey arrives.

-Brock tells Spidey he's too weak to go on but offers his symbiote to help.  So we're back to black costume-symbiote Spider-Man for the first time in decades!  Peter seems to accept this way, way too easily after all that's happened with that thing, but it is a changed alien I guess.  The artist draws him kind of weird- the eyes are sort of popping off his face and it looks fucked up.

-Red Goblin reveals that the little needles he's been shooting people with are toxic and can kill people slowly and painfully whenever he wants.  He's gonna go ahead and do that now, but then nothing happens.  BECAUSE FLASH.  Anti-Venom got the needles out of everybody.  He uses the last of his symbiote to protect Spidey and suffers a fatal wound, then dies.   :'(

-After more fighting, Spider-Man is defeated, but he gambles on telling the Red Goblin that it's not Norman Osbourne who won...but Carnage.  Specifically Cletus Cassidy, the former human host, who I thought was dead, but apparently is part of the symbiote now.  ??? ??? ???  Norman is full of himself and can't accept this.

-Both ditch their symbiotes and fight again.  Spidey wins and the Carnage symbiote comes back.  He uses an explosion to stop it and it shocks Norman so bad he turns into a babbling idiot.

-Flash has a funeral, words are said, etc etc.  There's nothing saying he's coming back, but I get the feeling the whole "healing" thing with Anti-Venom means he'll pop back up later on in some form.

-We see Norman in jail and Spider-Man goes to see him.  He had previously found out that Spider-Man was Peter Parker (again, since everyone who knew previously lost that after One More Day) but now calls him "Norman Osborne."  Apparently his mind is now that of Cletus Cassidy and Norman is "gone."  I kind of doubt this will stick, but OK.

-Harry decides to change his last name back to "Osborne" to do right by it and we get a hint that the symbiote is not completely gone from his son.

-In an "after credits" scene, Doc Ock has gone out to Cali to go accept a position at Horizon University, where Peter's old science colleagues are, including Anna, who he had a relationship with when he was Superior Spider-Man. 
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 03:57:43 PM
Justice League No Justice #3 - I'm still onboard for now, I wish they would give team Wonder more panels though.

Also, nice drawings guys :doge
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No Justice's art has been so bad :lol

tho maybe it's a metaphor :ohhh

i read the New 52 Green Arrow run recently and it turned into a pretty complete shit show artwise too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 31, 2018, 04:02:21 PM
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BECAUSE FLASH. 

For a sec I thought Wally used the speedforce to run around and get the needles out of everyone in like, 0.1 seconds. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 04:08:20 PM
Thanks for the suggestions all. Think I might jump into a couple of the Image comic suggestions first. Also, is Transmetropolitan any good?

Was reading Saga until about issue #30 I think, probably should get back to it. Went through Snyder's run of Batman around the same time, but honestly can't recall where I stopped (I think Zero Year, with Joker taking over the world?) and have no idea how his run concluded. 

And yeah, kinda disappointed with how American Vampire's panned out after I caught up with it last week, can't believe the Second Cycle just ended 11 issues in :( There's barely any discussion on it online, no idea why there's another hiatus.
Transmetropolitan is fun, it's oddly dated in a lot of ways despite being set in the 23rd Century.

Snyder's been promoted into the standard DC higher up, that's why all his Vertigo stuff has fallen away, I'm not sure he'll ever be back to it. I'll give it a pass though because of METAL.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 31, 2018, 04:08:32 PM
That entire write-up:

(https://i.imgur.com/plI8yxa.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 04:32:09 PM
i have no idea where doomsday clock is headed at all

also tasty, don't read bendis' the man of steel, dooonnnn'tttt
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 31, 2018, 04:56:07 PM
i have no idea where doomsday clock is headed at all

also tasty, don't read bendis' the man of steel, dooonnnn'tttt

What will I find :goty
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 05:08:26 PM
maybe i misinterpreted it because it's so poorly done throughout, but it seems to imply Clark and Lois are split up
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 31, 2018, 05:32:24 PM
Yeah I just read it.

Scuttlebutt is it seems like whoever appeared in the flashback is someone that Lois and Jon go with willingly, against Clark's wishes...

The fuck?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 31, 2018, 05:38:46 PM
also the starting event of the Damian Prelude to the Wedding Special is based around the fact that he uses his skills to break into an arcade at night and increase his high score in a game when there are no other distractions :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 03, 2018, 02:51:02 PM
Amazing Spider-Man #800 is out today and it concludes the Red Goblin storyline, but is not Dan Slott's final issue- that's #801.  This one is like 80 pages long and is the entire finale; no extra "milestone issue!!!" crap here.

Enjoyed this a lot more than Invincible Iron Man #600.  I still think this final Slott story is a bit on the weaker side, given the villain (the scope of things just never felt big enough), but you can tell that Slott actually cares about what he's writing, unlike Bendis's "I'm out, bitches" vibe.

Is there anything major that happens here?  Yes, but nothing earth-shattering.  There is a character death here but I get the feeling this character will end up returning later on because comics.

Spoilers:
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-The issue opens with Spider-Man and co. recovering after a Red Goblin beat-down.  Anti-Venom (Flash Thompson) comes to their aid and uses his man-made symbiote to heal everyone but Spidey with.  Doing this drains his symbiote and you can see it visibly fading from his body.  HINT HINT

-During the battle, Red Goblin reveals that all the little needles he has been shooting contain a kind of poison that will go through the nervous system and into the brain, killing the victim slowly and extremely painfully.  He also tells Spidey that he's off to go kill his family and goes after Mary Jane first.

-Normie Osborne, Red Goblin's grandson, who got infected with the Carnage symbiote, goes to kill Aunt May.  She is saved by Doctor Octopus (No more "superior name" although it's still him in a cloned Peter Parker body) and when Spidey comes in, Ock says he still has Peter's memories and couldn't bear to let anything happen to May, so Spidey says they're square and lets him go off to do whatever.  (JJJ is also there in a remote-controlled Spider Slayer robot, but basically does nothing)

-A subplot here is that Norman is trying take over Alchemax (who bought Oscorp) from his son's ex-wife but this kind of fails due to all the shit going on.  This is also when Normie starts getting turned back to a good kid again...maybe.

-J. Jonah Jameson is the smartest man in the world, because he figures out that Eddie Brock is Venom and calls him.  He asks Venom to help.  Venom goes to save Mary Jane and beats up the Red Goblin, who escapes after Spidey arrives.

-Brock tells Spidey he's too weak to go on but offers his symbiote to help.  So we're back to black costume-symbiote Spider-Man for the first time in decades!  Peter seems to accept this way, way too easily after all that's happened with that thing, but it is a changed alien I guess.  The artist draws him kind of weird- the eyes are sort of popping off his face and it looks fucked up.

-Red Goblin reveals that the little needles he's been shooting people with are toxic and can kill people slowly and painfully whenever he wants.  He's gonna go ahead and do that now, but then nothing happens.  BECAUSE FLASH.  Anti-Venom got the needles out of everybody.  He uses the last of his symbiote to protect Spidey and suffers a fatal wound, then dies.   :'(

-After more fighting, Spider-Man is defeated, but he gambles on telling the Red Goblin that it's not Norman Osbourne who won...but Carnage.  Specifically Cletus Cassidy, the former human host, who I thought was dead, but apparently is part of the symbiote now.  ??? ??? ???  Norman is full of himself and can't accept this.

-Both ditch their symbiotes and fight again.  Spidey wins and the Carnage symbiote comes back.  He uses an explosion to stop it and it shocks Norman so bad he turns into a babbling idiot.

-Flash has a funeral, words are said, etc etc.  There's nothing saying he's coming back, but I get the feeling the whole "healing" thing with Anti-Venom means he'll pop back up later on in some form.

-We see Norman in jail and Spider-Man goes to see him.  He had previously found out that Spider-Man was Peter Parker (again, since everyone who knew previously lost that after One More Day) but now calls him "Norman Osborne."  Apparently his mind is now that of Cletus Cassidy and Norman is "gone."  I kind of doubt this will stick, but OK.

-Harry decides to change his last name back to "Osborne" to do right by it and we get a hint that the symbiote is not completely gone from his son.

-In an "after credits" scene, Doc Ock has gone out to Cali to go accept a position at Horizon University, where Peter's old science colleagues are, including Anna, who he had a relationship with when he was Superior Spider-Man. 
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I look forward to reading it on unlimited in 6 months... as I have generally like Slotts run, if for no other reason than it has managed to not be 100% rebooted annually with a new creative team.

However:

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i find it kind of dumb that they try to use Mary Jane to signify high stakes in Spider man post OMD.

She’s basically not even in Marvel Books anymore except for Renew your vows and maybe is in like one or two issues per year of Spider-Man since OMD ended usually only for a couple of pages.

For as much as Marvel editorial seems to think OMD was a great idea, they really haven’t capitalized on it in any meaningful way. There aren’t really any important supporting characters in Peter Parker’s life anymore and haven’t been since OMD, so when they want to introduce stakes to a story, they do it through his ex-girlfriend, who he broke up with like ten years ago, and only has any stakes associated with her because they were married in a story that was magicked out of existence a decade ago. In current continuity, Goblin going after  Mary Jane should basically have as much stakes as him going after Carlie.

Did Mary Jane and Peter ever even have a baby in post OMD continuity? If so they never bring it up.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 03, 2018, 03:59:13 PM
i find it kind of dumb that they try to use Mary Jane to signify high stakes in Spider man post OMD.

She’s basically not even in Marvel Books anymore except for Renew your vows and maybe is in like one or two issues per year of Spider-Man since OMD ended usually only for a couple of pages.

Mary Jane has played a big role in Invincible Iron Man lately as Tony Stark's personal assistant.  Unsure if she is going to stick around there after Slott comes in to take over Iron Man.  The recent issues of Amazing seem to indicate that something may be about to happen between the two of them.  I hope the new creative team decides to get rid of that OMD shit and get them back together again.
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For as much as Marvel editorial seems to think OMD was a great idea, they really haven’t capitalized on it in any meaningful way. There aren’t really any important supporting characters in Peter Parker’s life anymore and haven’t been since OMD, so when they want to introduce stakes to a story, they do it through his ex-girlfriend, who he broke up with like ten years ago, and only has any stakes associated with her because they were married in a story that was magicked out of existence a decade ago. In current continuity, Goblin going after  Mary Jane should basically have as much stakes as him going after Carlie.

It's Norman Osborn-- he hasn't been around much for stuff that happened post-OMD, IIRC, and so to him he probably remembers the likes of MJ and Aunt May and nobody else.
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Did Mary Jane and Peter ever even have a baby in post OMD continuity? If so they never bring it up.

Nope.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 04, 2018, 10:01:38 AM
It would be humorous if Slotts super “anti-spider-marriage” rant from last year was really just him throwing people off the scent that they were going to set events in motion that might actually lead to them getting back together. It’s not really out of character for him to do that.

I think a cool way to address OMD would have been to have a dead or insane character for whom the OMD deal didn’t stick (and maybe the Dr Strange thing as well) and that somehow makes them at least acknowledge and resolve the story, even if it doesn’t end in a remarriage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 05, 2018, 01:18:59 AM
Mark Millar's Reborn is actually pretty interesting and shockingly self-restrained, hope he actually continues it at some point. Maybe the best of his "Millarworld" after Jupiter's Circle/Legacy.

Though I have a soft spot for Nemesis, which would also make a much better movie than Wanted ever did or Kick-Ass. They just shouldn't change all the unique parts like they did for the former, unless it's for the better like Kingsman

Read the first collected of Matt Kindt's Dept.H and it makes me wonder about if I ever want to read MIND MGMT. This is supposed to be an ongoing but I'm not sure it should be, like this should have been a full contained thing like Revolver was. But, it was interesting enough that I probably want to look into the ongoing to see how long it holds up. Also, people love to bitch about his art, with some good reason, but someone must have pointed out that whole thing where he can only draw like two and a half types of faces because he made sure all the characters were totally distinct, also it's colored. Biggest part I liked actually was that the volume's page numbers were done like "2.14" to indicate page 14 of issue 2, etc. Collected volumes usually don't seem to bother with any kind of page numbers (unless they're reproduced from the comic) but that's a unique way of doing it.

Ivan Brandon's Drifter is still going I suppose, first volume was pretty neat that I'll probably check into more of the rest too... I honestly thought it was some kind of major Vertigo-ish reboot of the Cole Cash character from Wildstorm/Futures End/New 52 and was quite confused before I stopped and looked and saw it was from Image :lol

also got Dan Abnett's The New Deadwardians and Ed Brubaker's Kill or be Killed on my pile...and one of DC's new "classic collected" volumes that are "restored" (aka reprinted from a digital copy so it's not all faded out) of...this of all things lol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_Task_Force_(comics) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_League_Task_Force_(comics)) as i had no idea they'd even tried really to collect the pre-Morrison Justice League titles that proliferated into like twenty teams and none of them with the BIG SEVEN in the early 90s:
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Because of the varied nature of the missions the Task Force would be employed on, and the versatility of the concept, various writers and artists were featured on this title. Up to issue #13 most writers wrote only up to three issues (even the series' creator David Michelinie only wrote the first three issues, although a misprint on the cover of issue #5 credited him with the story, but it was actually written by Denny O'Neil)
yeah...because of the varied nature amirite

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At the time the Justice League was featured in three separate series: Justice League America, Justice League Europe (JLE) and Justice League Quarterly (JLQ). Justice League Task Force was a spinoff of Justice League Europe, a series which ran from April 1989 to May 1993.
These eventually spun out even further into EXTREME JUSTICE, which actually was the series that setup the event that had the UN disband the Justice League which they had oversight of since the late 80s, for it to reform as Morrison's version.

Nobody created MORE JUSTICE LEAGUES after this until the New 52, and current DC, started to have them proliferate uncontrollably. Aside from the short-lived and totally sweet Justice League Elite limited series by the guy who created the fourth wall breaking version of Deadpool. Elite goes in a very different non-comedic direction with its characters and the comic both breaking down in confusion over reality at the same time. It was a nice little conclusion to The Elite/Manchester Black storylines in Superman and the fallout of the The Obsidian Age/Trial By Fire storylines in JLA too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2018, 02:55:29 AM
The amount of impotent nerd rage I'm about to spew over Lois/Jon is equivalent to Vesuvius.

Don't try it DC. :bolo

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on June 05, 2018, 07:09:05 PM
The amount of impotent nerd rage I'm about to spew over Lois/Jon is equivalent to Vesuvius.

Don't try it DC. :bolo

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brace yourself andy. maybe dc will reign bendis in though.... you never know.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on June 05, 2018, 09:58:54 PM
That Wolverine with burning claws article legit almost made me connect to my lcs's website to cancel my entire  pull list and quit new comics

The last series I really enjoyed was All New Wolverine, and it was light hearted fun.

Venom was pure garbage. What was I even subbed to this. Why is it so hard to come up with interesting venom stuff?

Reborn was really fun.

Kick-ass and HItgirl #1-2 were pretty average. I really enjoyed the original, but those new runs aren't exciting at all.

Anomisity got lame. I liked it so much but eh


Anything worth reading right now outside of Marvel/dc?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 05, 2018, 11:52:33 PM
That Wolverine with burning claws article legit almost made me connect to my lcs's website to cancel my entire  pull list and quit new comics

:confused
What article?

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The last series I really enjoyed was All New Wolverine, and it was light hearted fun.

And now it's over and next it's back to X-23.  Wonder if there's going to be any real difference?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 06, 2018, 12:03:07 AM
Savage Dragon #234:

Last issue, it appears that Dragon's wife kicked the bucket.  BUT WAIT he has an idea- inject her with his blood!  Despite warnings that this will make her explode like it did to O.G. Dragon when they tried this, he does it and she comes back to life as a female Dragon.  There's a little bit of fighting with the whole Dragon family involved, and then Dragon hits the wife with this power-draining stuff from way back that removes her powers and turns her back human before she can explode.  OK, that was pointless.

Meanwhile in Dimension X, Michael Dragon gets savagely killed by his mom, Rapture, and then the big-dicked aliens she controls eat his body.  They can't handle that dragon blood either and all explode all over the place, then Alex, Jennifer, and Angel attack and kill Rapture, but it appears that now Jennifer is dead (again).

Yup, another issue of Dragon.

X-Men Red Annual #1:

This should have been the first issue of the comic (minus the art, yuck- Jean looks like she's 60 most of the time) as it follows Jean right after she came back to life.  Not much action, just lots of dialogue.  Despite the end of the (teenage) Jean Grey comic showing that the two Jeans were going to talk, this is never shown and she meets up with everyone else.  Standouts are meeting Old Man Logan (instantly recognizes he's not the same guy and is "another mind wearing Logan's face"), Rachel Grey/Prestige, and X-23 and Gabby because they're the closest people she has left to Cyclops and Wolverine.  Uh...OK.  I guess young Cyclops and Old Man Logan aren't good enough.  It's not like the latter wouldn't have had a lot of the same memories, right?  And if Jean is now a super-powerful omega-level telepath...wouldn't she instantly know where the recently-revived O.G. Wolverine is?  LOL, comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 06, 2018, 07:22:56 AM
That Wolverine with burning claws article legit almost made me connect to my lcs's website to cancel my entire  pull list and quit new comics

:confused
What article?

I saw what you're talking about now.  So "The Return Of Wolverine" in September and he can now have BURNING HOT METAL CLAWS sometimes.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 06, 2018, 08:46:55 AM
I'm still way behind on X-Men Blue and Gold, but saw that following the "Venomized" crossover story, there's still a parasite-possessed symbiote controlling a clawed character running around, so there's yet another Wolverine character on top of O.G. Logan returning.  :doge

Let's see...that's-

1. Logan
2. Daken
3. X-23
4. Honey Badger
5. Jimmy Hudson
6. Old Man Logan
7. Weapon H
8. Venomized Wolverine

Enough Wolverines for you?  :lol

Looks like they're turning Sabertooth heel again with a change in direction for X-Force.  He's going to lead a team of what appears to be villains to do merc work.  Omega Red is definitely one of the characters and they seemed to hint in a recent issue that Domino will join up because she just cares about money.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 06, 2018, 10:27:01 AM
I liked Daken during Dark Reign.

Everything since has been garbage. Also the whole arm thing was dumb as hell.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on June 06, 2018, 05:27:25 PM
It was pretty neat When Dakken killed the Punisher. It also gave us Frankencastle, which was pure ‘70 stylr pulp and it was amazing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 07, 2018, 07:22:26 AM
Bad guy crazy Daken is fine for a villain and they need to stop making him a good guy.  He's also been killed and brought back to life like twice now in ridiculous ways...even stupider than what has happened with Wolverine.

The biggest head-scratcher out of all of these characters is Jimmy Hudson.  Why did they think this character needed to come back in X-Men Blue?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 07, 2018, 11:36:21 AM
Marvel cannot ignore the MANY Jimmy Hudson fans from the waning days of Ultimate xmen, when half the Mutants lives in Xian and the other half lived on a mutant hill.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2018, 11:32:11 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-comics-is-relaunching-vertigo-with-seven-new-series-1826640933

(http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/not-bad-gif-12.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on June 07, 2018, 11:56:49 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-comics-is-relaunching-vertigo-with-seven-new-series-1826640933

(http://gifimage.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/not-bad-gif-12.gif)

Doesn’t sound too bad outside that cringey mission statement (is fucking Vertigo, there were already a lot of progressive friendly stuff) and Zoe Quinn writing her fanfic.

Vertigo shouldn’t have been dropped to begin with, though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on June 08, 2018, 11:13:48 PM
zoe quinn and robbi rodriguez? good fucking god.....
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 09, 2018, 07:44:50 PM
wow Kill Or Be Killed really hits close to home

(https://i.imgur.com/vDeN7J7.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 10, 2018, 02:47:09 PM
Got all caught up on X-Mayne:

First up was a Blue/Gold crossover, where I stopped reading, in which Mojo comes to Earth and uses reality warping/terraforming alien-tech things to bring Mojoworld to earth, forcing the various X-groups to fight in simulations based on past events.  It was OK.  Ends with Mojo being stuck on earth in an epilogue.

Blue: Overall this is my favorite of the current X-books, even with some bad storylines.  They have an Exiles-like event where they go to different eras and encounter various X-groups, which leads into a story that retcons the reveal that time had "replaced" the O5 X-Men with other versions of themselves.  The retcon is that this was a far-future group of 'evil' X-Men led by Charles Xavier II who were masquerading as them and fucking shit up.  In a very dumb move, the Prof. X of that era sends them back to the future, which makes zero sense given how they've hinted again and again (and now have an event coming) that their presence in the future is fucking shit up. 

Then we get a storyline where the O5 go into space with Venom (and there's crossovers with his book) to find out what happened to a bunch of klyntar symbiotes that were kidnapped.  The O5 get their own symbiote suits and then SURPRISE it's the Poisons, back again from the Venomverse storyline from last year that nobody cared about.  This leads to a Venomized five-issue miniseries where the Poisons turn heroes into symbiotes and then possess them and at the end it's reversed and :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz :zzz.  In the end the Poisons are destroyed but there's a few lingering poison-possessed characters out there, including Jimmy Hudson.

Back on Earth, with the O5 gone, Blue team's roster is thin and Havok and White Queen have teamed up with Bastion and Miss Sinister (makes no sense, even when it's explained...it makes no sense) to create more mutants by using whatever it was inside the Ultimate universe X-Men to trigger secondary mutations and created mutants out of humans.  We get a temporary new roster with Polaris, Jimmy, Bloodstorm, Daken (using two katanas...WHY), and some chick whose name I forget who is part a Madripoor mutant gang that a Malice-possessed Polaris fucks up.  They win and destroy the formula and stop everyone from transforming blah blah blah the big thing here is that White Queen does a face turn and finally changes the AXIS (remember that? lol) inverted Havok back into a good guy.  His face also gets healed, hence his upcoming change to the Astonishing X-Men in #13.

Gold: While Blue is at least X-Men adventuring, Gold has the tired, played out "mutants vs. human bigot" storyline going on with a corrupt senator trying to fuck them up.  They end up going to a planet in the Negative Zone and defeat a big "god," who then ends up coming to earth BUT WAIT Gold team is in jail so we get a B-team backing them up BUT WAIT they break out and Storm gets her old Thor hammer back WHAT THE HELL and then bigot senator is back and Kitty is going to get married to Colossus and :zzz :zzz :zzz don't care.  It's pretty forgettable stuff, really.

Red: SNORE. It's like Social Studies Warrior X-Men.  Storm also pops up here with no explanation as to why she doesn't have Thor's hammer.  Gabby and Laura tell Namor to "cover up" and put clothes on.  Jean Grey is going to show the world why hate against mutants is wrong.  Aren't you guys doing this in Gold already?  :zzz

Astonishing: The dumb "X" storyline ended with #12 and the resurrected Prof. X decides to go off on his own, with a "new dream," and mind-wipes everyone except Psylocke from remembering he came back.  Uh, sure.  This sucked, but hey, with #13 it's a brand new creative team (and roster).  Don't particularly care for said roster, but maybe it will be good.

At this point I'm ready for a big team shake-up and I guess that's coming with the Extinction storyline this summer.  It's time for the O5 to go.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 10, 2018, 02:49:34 PM
And we may not see the Fantastic Four and X-Men characters in Marvel movies after all.  Comcast has put in a huge bid for Fox that is more lucrative to them as they will pay straight cash for everything.  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 18, 2018, 08:24:47 AM
X-Men Blue #29: Jimmy Hudson's new codename is...Poison.  Because you know...he is still possessed by a Poison.  :doge  We get conflicted Jimmy who is still in there and fighting with the Poison for control of his body. 

Thor #1: I dropped the female Thor book a few months after it started, so I'm not sure why there's like three places Asgardians live, including Earth, but it's Odinson back in the saddle as Thor, trying to get himself a new weapon since Mjolnir is gone, and the gang's all here, including Jane Foster, who after not being Thor is finally beginning to recover from cancer. 

There's also another story here featuring old man Thor at the "end of time", far into the future, where the universe is dying and he has used his power to keep earth going and restarted the human population several hundred years prior.  And then he gets confronted by the Phoenix force...who has possessed Wolverine.  Because of course.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 19, 2018, 04:28:49 PM
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After a lengthy build-up to the big wedding of Kitty Pryde and Colossus in X-Men Gold #30, Marvel has spoiled the story’s major twist on the eve of release.

As revealed this morning by The New York Times, the two X-Men fixtures don’t actually tie the knot in the issue, by writer Marc Guggenheim and artist David Marquez. Instead, following a discussion with Colossus’ sister Illyana, Kitty gets cold feet.

That’s not to say there isn’t a wedding, however, as Gambit is inspired to propose to Rogue, which leads to the upcoming series Mr. and Mrs. X, launching in July.

:huh

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 19, 2018, 04:34:24 PM
Just saw that. :lol Lulz.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 19, 2018, 04:56:45 PM
Oh I thought X-men Red has been like the only good X-men book so far. Blue has solid character moments and some cool plot points combined with kind of dumb stories.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 20, 2018, 01:45:20 AM
I'm going to catch up with my books this week, been a while since I read anything
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 20, 2018, 07:58:13 AM
Oh I thought X-men Red has been like the only good X-men book so far. Blue has solid character moments and some cool plot points combined with kind of dumb stories.

Doesn't matter anyway...they announced that Gold and Blue are being canceled.  But Red is staying.   :lol ??? :lol  So I guess soon the O5 are finally going bye-bye and we're gonna get another new team book or two after Extinction.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 20, 2018, 10:17:09 AM
1) gambit is an incel

2) the end of marvels prohibition on marriage is here. Spider and MJ 4ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 20, 2018, 10:33:02 AM
Iceman is also getting another solo book.  Didn't they just recently cancel the last one because of low sales?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 20, 2018, 11:37:03 AM
Iceman is also getting another solo book.  Didn't they just recently cancel the last one because of low sales?
Yes iceman had abysmal sales (and the comic was shit from the two chapters I hate read) They're trying to sell it as by 'popular demand' when in reality it's just because they caught shit from the usual suspects.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 20, 2018, 01:09:35 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/x-men-wedding-its-not-what-you-think.50103/page-5

Well, this sounds awful.
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There are two key scenes, both fail.

Illyana talking to Kitty on the roof the night before. Kitty senses something is off with Illyana, and convinces her to say it. After some hesitation, Illyana says "I just think if you two were meant to be together...it would've happened by now."

THAT'S IT. That's NOTHING.

Second key moment is after Kitty leaves him at the Altar, he finds her later and asks her why. Her answer? "Marriage is hard. Hard enough with all this...stuff. It's just too much history. A lot of it good, yeah. But some of it bad. And all of it...messy. Not the foundation to build a marriage on."

What? She said seven sentences without saying anything at all. It's awful.

And then immediately after that, the couple with the MOST messy history gets hitched.

Note that Kitty is the one who proposed to Colossus.   :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 20, 2018, 01:50:41 PM
I stopped caring about ice man after they made him retroactively gay. That was dumb.

Also, I feel like instead of leaving colossus on the altar, kitty should have just turned intangible when it was time to kiss the bride and then they could have argued that the whole marriage didn’t count.

That whole exchange makes kitty sound like the worst human being. What a garbage reason not to marry someone.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 20, 2018, 02:14:38 PM
Kitty just Xander'd Colossus.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on June 20, 2018, 05:19:14 PM
https://www.resetera.com/threads/x-men-wedding-its-not-what-you-think.50103/page-5

Well, this sounds awful.
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There are two key scenes, both fail.

Illyana talking to Kitty on the roof the night before. Kitty senses something is off with Illyana, and convinces her to say it. After some hesitation, Illyana says "I just think if you two were meant to be together...it would've happened by now."

THAT'S IT. That's NOTHING.

Second key moment is after Kitty leaves him at the Altar, he finds her later and asks her why. Her answer? "Marriage is hard. Hard enough with all this...stuff. It's just too much history. A lot of it good, yeah. But some of it bad. And all of it...messy. Not the foundation to build a marriage on."

What? She said seven sentences without saying anything at all. It's awful.

And then immediately after that, the couple with the MOST messy history gets hitched.

Note that Kitty is the one who proposed to Colossus.   :doge

honestly, im more interested in kurt and rachel. and thats as a gambit fan, because maybe we can get excalibur from it

i feel for colossus though. illyanna will be fucking him over until the end of time
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 20, 2018, 05:29:35 PM
I mean it's not that out of left field. Earlier in X-men Gold Kitty was hesitient to get back together because it felt like destiny. She didn't like that and wasn't for Peter's gung ho attitude about it. Eventually she bought into it but it was clear the writing had as a base her feeling like a romance was happening because that's been a part of thier characters.

For Illyana to say yeah if it was meant to it would already have been was probably pretty powerful as that's Perer's sister and a big part of his life.

At least that's probably what the writing was going for. Don't know if it was excuted well as I haven't been into Gold too much.

Too me the marriage felt out of left field because it didn't seem like the characters themselves wanted it which I guess was the point. Too bad this poorly reflects on Kitty.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 20, 2018, 05:47:53 PM
tom motherfucking king :whew :uguu

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Selina DESTROYING Nigma's dumb New52+ makeover  :bow SLAY QUEEN :bow2 :mynicca :aah :umad
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 20, 2018, 09:59:43 PM
Amazing Spider-Man #801: Dan Slott's final issue.  Is it an epilogue to #800? NOPE!  Stand-alone issue and a "love letter" to Spidey.  It was an OK story, I guess.  Focuses on some random guy Spidey rescued and how well his life turned out because of it.

Tony Stark: Iron Man #1: Dan Slott's first issue.  Kind of like Amazing #801, there's a lot of focus on some random guy who Stark recruits to work for him and we see his new company digs and staff.  Good way to start things over from Bendis, but nothing that really stood out.  All of the previous supporting cast, including the A.I. Friday and Mary Jane, appear to be gone.

I mean it's not that out of left field. Earlier in X-men Gold Kitty was hesitient to get back together because it felt like destiny. She didn't like that and wasn't for Peter's gung ho attitude about it. Eventually she bought into it but it was clear the writing had as a base her feeling like a romance was happening because that's been a part of thier characters.

For Illyana to say yeah if it was meant to it would already have been was probably pretty powerful as that's Perer's sister and a big part of his life.

At least that's probably what the writing was going for. Don't know if it was excuted well as I haven't been into Gold too much.

Too me the marriage felt out of left field because it didn't seem like the characters themselves wanted it which I guess was the point. Too bad this poorly reflects on Kitty.

Yup, that seems to be the problem.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on June 21, 2018, 02:21:19 AM
All of that for nothing?

shocking :beli
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 21, 2018, 07:37:45 AM
Read X-Men Gold #30. 

Yup, it was pretty fucking stupid.  Illyana says one thing to Kitty and then even apologizes for it, saying it was some stupid shit to say, and this is enough to make Kitty get cold feet.  :lol ::)

It reads as someone having done a straight-forward wedding story (there's nothing "superheroic" going on here at all) and then there's this out of the blue twist where Kitty stops it at the last minute and runs off- there is and has been zero doubts from the two about getting married leading up to this point.  Then Gambit decides to propose to Rogue and they get married instead, and this is followed by multiple pages of previews for Mr. And Mrs. X #1-3 COMING SOON!  BUY NOW!  LOOK AT THIS!  COMICS!

There's also a brief cameo from O.G. Logan.  At this point it just looks silly for him to be pretending to be dead but still sticking around to watch shit go down.

Speaking of Logan, I started reading the Countdown To Infinite books.  He shows up there with his infinite stone, gets attacked by and destroys some Ultron-controlled bots/cyborgs, but not before telling them that he wants the stone to help out mutants, and then....gives the stone to Black Widow (also pretending to be dead).
:confused

They also "rebooted" Groot and now he can actually talk.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 21, 2018, 09:30:01 AM
Sad that ASM 801 wasn’t about Spidey hittin MJ with the stinger.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 21, 2018, 10:30:40 AM
Sad that ASM 801 wasn’t about Spidey hittin MJ with the stinger.

Is The Shocker involved anywhere?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 21, 2018, 10:51:10 AM
Sad that ASM 801 wasn’t about Spidey hittin MJ with the stinger.

Is The Shocker involved anywhere?

Nope.  No villains at all, really.

I see it getting a lot of praise and while it's way better than Bendis's 'exit' issues, it's nothing special. 

Tony Stark: Iron Man unsurprisingly gave me heavy Spider-Man vibes.  Specifically the way Tony and co. are written just like how Slott wrote Peter and co. when he became a billionaire tech company CEO. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 21, 2018, 11:03:14 AM
That was a sex joke. :teehee
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 21, 2018, 11:03:40 AM
You're so precious bork hahaha.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 21, 2018, 12:10:52 PM
That was a sex joke. :teehee

:confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 21, 2018, 12:13:09 PM
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Spidey hittin MJ with the stinger

->

Quote
The Shocker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shocker_(hand_gesture))
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 21, 2018, 12:21:40 PM
 :ohhh

Never heard that called "the shocker" before.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 21, 2018, 01:56:07 PM
Sad that ASM 801 wasn’t about Spidey hittin MJ with the stinger.

Is The Shocker involved anywhere?

Nope.  No villains at all, really.

I see it getting a lot of praise and while it's way better than Bendis's 'exit' issues, it's nothing special. 

Tony Stark: Iron Man unsurprisingly gave me heavy Spider-Man vibes.  Specifically the way Tony and co. are written just like how Slott wrote Peter and co. when he became a billionaire tech company CEO.

It sounds like one of those filler issues or filler mini-series that crop up every now and again that just rehash every Hing about a character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2018, 05:47:05 PM
:ohhh

Never heard that called "the shocker" before.  :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/8BRR9O8.jpg)

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Wichita State's teams are called the Shockers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wichita_State_Shockers) so you get this sometimes before they cut away :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on June 23, 2018, 10:45:22 PM

They also "rebooted" Groot and now he can actually talk.

: :gurl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 26, 2018, 03:01:33 AM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-joker-may-have-given-batman-the-greatest-wedding-gi-1827113270

Two to go?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 11:18:36 AM
Flash War #3 ends with the creation of Sage Force and Strength Force to compliment the Speed Force. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 28, 2018, 12:15:44 PM
Flash War #3 ends with the creation of Sage Force and Strength Force to compliment the Speed Force. :lol

What's the sage force?

And...two of them?  I thought the strength thing sounded stupid.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 28, 2018, 12:20:34 PM
Flash War #3 ends with the creation of Sage Force and Strength Force to compliment the Speed Force. :lol

All three combine into the TriForce.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 12:35:47 PM
Flash War #3 ends with the creation of Sage Force and Strength Force to compliment the Speed Force. :lol

All three combine into the TriForce.

I already sorta made this joke on Twitter lol.

@bork: Sage = mind

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dgyf61yVAAA-rj6.jpg:large)

I guess they wanted alliteration or something (Speed/Strength/Sage.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 28, 2018, 12:44:08 PM
they had leveled up the speed force so much that until this last year those would have been pretty redundant :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 28, 2018, 01:28:00 PM
Flash War #3 ends with the creation of Sage Force and Strength Force to compliment the Speed Force. :lol

All three combine into the TriForce.

You joke, but when I look at that comic panel below, the first thing that comes to mind is "bad guy gets all the infinite stones force powers and combines then into a gauntlet mega-force power" for a big crossover event.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 28, 2018, 10:01:54 PM
At least with this there are no macguffins.

There's no limit to the amount of characters they can hand these powers to!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 01, 2018, 06:31:18 AM
finally up to date, the batman wedding 2 parter with cat and joker was great, mister miracle is fucking amazing atm, so three new JL books, cool
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2018, 06:55:27 AM
the harley and joker wedding special takes place right before the joker, upset about not being invited, finally goes to see the bat and the cat, ends with him finding the gun under a dumpster out back of the church solving his problem of coming up with a plan :lol

only one of those so far that seemed like an actual tie-in
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 03, 2018, 04:41:07 PM
DC pulled a Marvel and spoiled Batman #50 in the New York Times already.  :lol ::)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Catwoman and Batman will not get married because Batman needs to unhappy to be a superhero.

Quote
The answers to the questions are found in letters the couple have written to each other before their wedding day. Mr. Wayne’s correspondence reveals an acceptance of Ms. Kyle, who in her time has been a jewel thief, a villain, an antihero and a mob boss. “You’re not someone who can be figured out. Or solved. And never will be,” he declares. He also writes that he can be “more than a boy whose parents are dead,” that he can be “the man who loves you. Who will always try to love you better.”

Ms. Kyle’s letter lays out the truth as she sees it: “You’re still a child, Bruce. A hurt child.” Their happiness, she speculates, would kill Batman, who rescues everyone and turns pain into hope. “How can I do that,” she writes. “To save the world, heroes make sacrifices.”

In order to keep countless innocents safe, she concludes that she cannot marry Mr. Wayne. “My sacrifice is my life. It’s you.”

In the final moments of their story, the bride and groom end up at different locations in the early morning hours. In a silent page, Ms. Kyle sits on a rooftop, contemplating. She discards her veil and leaps toward the street. At the Finger Tower skyscraper, after an hour of waiting for his bride, Mr. Wayne realizes she is not coming. He throws off his tie and takes a similar leap, but in the opposite direction. Theirs is a story that is forever to be continued.

LOL.  Can we stop it with this wedding fake-out shit now in comics?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 03, 2018, 04:48:36 PM
King says it's not really spoiled, whatever that means.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 03, 2018, 05:44:52 PM
I mean that's what Joker and the cat were talking about all last chapter, maybe not spoiled, but I didnt think they would go through with it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 03, 2018, 05:53:07 PM
There's supposed to be more Bruce/Selina flashbacks in the wedding issue (that's what all the artists are for), so I wonder if the "spoiler" is describing one of those?

The solicitation for this week's Catwoman debut explicitly says they're married so...?

Speaking of which, hoping it turns out good, as the New 52 series was pretty weaksauce after the epic that was Volume 2.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: samfish on July 03, 2018, 10:29:54 PM
This wedding thing is the biggest comics clusterfuck since One More Day. I held out hope that King could stick the landing because THE LAST PAGE IS A BLOW JOB TO THE BRAIN, but then the final page leaked and... there is no scennario where this story redeems itself. It just manages to get stupider.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 03, 2018, 11:24:45 PM

DC pulled a Marvel and spoiled Batman #50 in the New York Times already.  :lol ::)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Catwoman and Batman will not get married because Batman needs to unhappy to be a superhero.

Quote
The answers to the questions are found in letters the couple have written to each other before their wedding day. Mr. Wayne’s correspondence reveals an acceptance of Ms. Kyle, who in her time has been a jewel thief, a villain, an antihero and a mob boss. “You’re not someone who can be figured out. Or solved. And never will be,” he declares. He also writes that he can be “more than a boy whose parents are dead,” that he can be “the man who loves you. Who will always try to love you better.”

Ms. Kyle’s letter lays out the truth as she sees it: “You’re still a child, Bruce. A hurt child.” Their happiness, she speculates, would kill Batman, who rescues everyone and turns pain into hope. “How can I do that,” she writes. “To save the world, heroes make sacrifices.”

In order to keep countless innocents safe, she concludes that she cannot marry Mr. Wayne. “My sacrifice is my life. It’s you.”

In the final moments of their story, the bride and groom end up at different locations in the early morning hours. In a silent page, Ms. Kyle sits on a rooftop, contemplating. She discards her veil and leaps toward the street. At the Finger Tower skyscraper, after an hour of waiting for his bride, Mr. Wayne realizes she is not coming. He throws off his tie and takes a similar leap, but in the opposite direction. Theirs is a story that is forever to be continued.

LOL.  Can we stop it with this wedding fake-out shit now in comics?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 04, 2018, 12:32:54 AM
I dont see why people hate the wedding so much, I've really enjoyed all of the Tom King run for the interesting stories and micro arcs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2018, 12:58:23 AM
"War of Jokes and Riddles" needed to be half the length. And Bruce was being really a big baby about it. He's done far worse. Probably even to Selina herself. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2018, 02:08:26 AM
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DC Comics have a five-point explanation for spoiling Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle’s wedding in Batman #50 via The New York Times Sunday morning ahead of the book’s July 4 street date.

John Cunningham, Senior Vice President of Sales for DC Comics, wrote the following on a local comic shop retailer Facebook group:

“1. DC Sales strongly advocated getting the news out ahead of the OSD, so that the Moment of Realization did not occur hours before events began. We even did our level best to try and spoil it here on this page over and over again (and failed). The NY Times article was posted here at 630 a.m. PST not out of “Pride” — please — but to get you the information as soon as we could.

2. In the abstract, we believed the news would break on Monday morning, given the arrival time of physical copies in store and the reality that a copy or a scan would end up being passed to uncontrolled comic book outlets (much like Marvel’s wedding issue last week and every other major comic book event in the lat decade).

3. As mentioned here before, any discussion about financial remedies for problematic DC product must occur after the product is on sale.

4. While The Times piece is more fulsome that [sic] some might like, it does not spoil the shock ending of the book for fans. We’re working on getting this posted here for you.

5. I stand by my belief that BATMAN #50 is one of the best single issue periodicals of the last decade, that it is a special moment in comic book history, and that if it’s not the book we (think) we want, it’s the book we need.”
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 04, 2018, 02:11:10 AM
"War of Jokes and Riddles" needed to be half the length. And Bruce was being really a big baby about it. He's done far worse. Probably even to Selina herself. :lol
Yeah I didnt really dig that arc, but I'm okay with it cause it was a lot shorter than arcs in other books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 04, 2018, 02:21:50 AM
I've really liked the King run. It's very dry and sometimes a bit abstract. But I really like it. It's been touching and thanks to how he writes the characters, a bit more "human" feeling.

But I did think the last two issues with Joker were pretty bad.  Felt kind of up it's own ass with how it chooses to write the character's in a surreal humanistic way.  Didn't like it.

But I thought maybe the wedding would happen as well they've allowed Supes to be married, why not Batman. He has a kid. That's stuck. But yeah issue 49 did kind of spell it out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2018, 03:19:50 AM
tasty post if you're okay after reading man of steel #6
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2018, 07:16:43 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/X6ZWIuy.png)

I think the released spoiler is somewhat deceptive because of the presenting of this as the final part of an arc and something signifcant.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
This was never supposed to be the end of King's run, but the midpoint, and what this sets up is a continuation of it including the Cat-Bat relationship arc, everything they've been dealing with and discussing throughout the arc is being confronted now with an active component. Selina's (and Bruce's) fears will be disproven by where the grander arc goes with that actual ending. Also, I'm not sure this has ever been a story that needs a marriage, what does that add to the relationship we've already been getting, it's not like the Bat and the Cat were going to stop having their adventures. But there's nothing to make me think King is going to drop this, it'll come back.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2018, 07:17:16 AM
meanwhile in Justice League, the important questions:
(https://i.imgur.com/LQ9juJ9.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 04, 2018, 08:10:57 AM
Apparently the entire chapter has leaked? My buddy just told me he read it :/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2018, 09:07:49 AM
tasty post if you're okay after reading man of steel #6

Been on pause since #1.

I'm not ready brehs. :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2018, 09:08:18 AM
Apparently the entire chapter has leaked? My buddy just told me he read it :/

Comics are released on Wednesdays...?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 04, 2018, 11:03:51 AM
my buddy read it tuesday, also it was online before I could buy digitally or physical here :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 04, 2018, 01:32:50 PM
you cold hearted fucks, i loved everything about batman #50 except the last goddamn page
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 04, 2018, 06:34:18 PM
Can someone explain the last page of Batman #50?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Who is the woman in Arkham and why the hell is there another Batman (looks like the Thomas Wayne Batman from Flashpoint?) down there with Bane?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 05, 2018, 12:09:15 AM
Can someone explain the last page of Batman #50?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Who is the woman in Arkham and why the hell is there another Batman (looks like the Thomas Wayne Batman from Flashpoint?) down there with Bane?
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Never mind, I'm sorry I asked.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/07/03/final-scene-batman-50-mean-tom-king-run/

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 05, 2018, 12:34:17 AM
I just woke up and would have explained, I assume bleedingcool does adequately as I will never give those losers a click lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 05, 2018, 01:24:09 AM
Can someone explain the last page of Batman #50?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Who is the woman in Arkham and why the hell is there another Batman (looks like the Thomas Wayne Batman from Flashpoint?) down there with Bane?
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Never mind, I'm sorry I asked.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2018/07/03/final-scene-batman-50-mean-tom-king-run/

 :whatisthis


 :what

da Fuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 05, 2018, 02:00:55 AM
King’s Batman is great.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 05, 2018, 09:39:39 AM
Bane's obsession with Batman in King's run feels manufactured. Like yeah it was always a thing, but Bane doing some super Xanatos gambit to "break" Batman's emotions? Come on.

And Joker's OK with being hired help? Come on.

Bane even used to be more of an antihero but I guess that's gone now too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 05, 2018, 11:30:30 AM
King’s Batman is great.

It is but this was lame. Both the “fake out” and the “Bane did it”.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 05, 2018, 11:33:39 AM
King’s Batman is great.

It is but this was lame. Both the “fake out” and the “Bane did it”.

I haven't read any of this, but the BC article also implies that the characters shown with Bane means that all their related storylines were them "acting" and going along with Bane's plan, which just sounds all kinds of stupid.

I guess destroying weddings is the new character death thing now.  This one reminds me of the 80s X-Men Wolverine/Mariko wedding storyline, where Mastermind manipulated Mariko into not marrying Logan.   :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 05, 2018, 01:32:46 PM
Tom King's style is like the characters are doing a stage production anyway, so that's no so bad. I wish they just didnt, though. I thought the comic was a lovely way to end the arc without that last page
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 05, 2018, 11:44:05 PM
King’s Batman is great.

It is but this was lame. Both the “fake out” and the “Bane did it”.

I haven't read any of this, but the CBR article also implies that the characters shown with Bane means that all their related storylines were them "acting" and going along with Bane's plan, which just sounds all kinds of stupid.

I guess destroying weddings is the new character death thing now.  This one reminds me of the 80s X-Men Wolverine/Mariko wedding storyline, where Mastermind manipulated Mariko into not marrying Logan.   :doge

Worked for Spider-Man?!

I don’t really like Tom King’s Batman that much. It just feels weird to me. Like I don’t like the way the comic revels in its absurdity. I can see that it is sort of a creative take on it, but I prefer my classic superhero comics to basically play it straight and not have a sort of wink and a nod aspect to it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 06, 2018, 12:19:22 AM
Even Sherif of Babylon which is set in the real world has a similar feeling of surrealness that his Batman does. It’s not for everyone. And while I do like King, even some issues of Batman annoy me. Like 48 and 49 which featured a bit too much of his style and created a situation that felt too unreal. I don’t like the way he writes the Joker.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 05:57:42 AM
I don't see it as the way Bleeding Cool does, King's run hasn't been told in linear time, and Bane's had a mini-series as part of an ongoing altering of his disposition to dominance.

The idea that it's Flashpoint Thomas Wayne makes no sense, it's not even his outfit. And he ceased to exist. There's many more faux-Batman running around.

Poison Ivy isn't there, nor Talia. Two post-engagement storylines, both of which fell pro-wedding/pro-Selina.

The best "theory" is that Bane allowed the heist, or at least had contingencies, and a number of those happened within the storyline itself iirc. The War of Jokes and Riddles has been over for at least decade now, that's why it was a weak storyline, Bane roping those two in isn't some weird thing, especially those two plus Hugo Strange as part of an effort to attack the Bat's mind. What they would have figured out is that they needed to attack Selina. That's where The Joker and Holly came in at the end. A corrupt Skeets was part of where Bruce stopped having his doubts and when King started noting that he was finally vulnerable. The Joker was needed to both sideline Harley, an ally, and "crash" the invite to attack Selina.

There's no resolution to #49 in #50, it skips time.

Bane's obsession with Batman in King's run feels manufactured. Like yeah it was always a thing, but Bane doing some super Xanatos gambit to "break" Batman's emotions? Come on.
That was Bane's original introduction into the comics. A year long plan to break the Bat physically, emotionally and mentally until he broke into Wayne Manor and literally "broke the bat" by snapping his spinal cord.

It involved a whole menagerie of the villains too, because Bane was utterly ruthless.

The Joker isn't necessarily hired help as much as he sees fun. At momentary disadvantage. That was why he let The Black Glove call the shots in RIP, and Bane in Knightfall. He'd double cross them both, though he never had it out for Bane like he did Thomas Wayne. :lol

Even Sherif of Babylon which is set in the real world has a similar feeling of surrealness that his Batman does. It’s not for everyone. And while I do like King, even some issues of Batman annoy me. Like 48 and 49 which featured a bit too much of his style and created a situation that felt too unreal. I don’t like the way he writes the Joker.
To add onto this, Sheriff of Babylon's "surrealness" was supposed to reflect the nature of limited information in occupied Iraq and King's feelings of general untrustworthiness towards everyone.

His Batman has been interestingly a deliberate rejection of this instinct of Bruce's by introducing Selina as a companion, rather than trying to foist it up through a Robin or SIGNAL, especially since the current Robin is worse than Bruce himself is. A lot of the stories rely on Bruce having to trust something he can't control. It started in the Gotham storylines. Most recently in the Ivy storyline, he has to trust and rely on Harley to point that he can let her see him using the machine for putting his pants put on in the car.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 06:06:21 AM
Holly Robinson has been Selina's best friend, long running companion back to Batman: Year One, and throughout her two pre-New 52 runs in her own book. To the point that Holly took over as Catwoman after One Year Later.

Post-Rebirth, Holly systematically murdered 237 people, which Selina tried to take the fall for, but Bruce wouldn't allow it. So Holly slashed his neck and ran. That's the other half of why they went to Talia, to retrieve Holly and put her in prison which she took as a betrayal of their relationship simply so she can be with Bats.

You can see why the psychopath might not take that well and get onboard with Bane's revenge plan.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 06, 2018, 11:29:13 AM
Yes benji, I know who Bane was when he was introduced. But he's become an actual character since then and sending him back to square one just feels like King only remembers early Bane and doesn't give a fuck about what came after.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 06, 2018, 11:30:15 AM
And the ONLY reason I'm giving even a little bit of leeway on the Joker thing is because, honestly, I don't think it's the "real" Joker, if there is such a thing.

He's one of the three Jokers but not the main one. That's my theory anyways.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 11:50:01 AM
Yes benji, I know who Bane was when he was introduced. But he's become an actual character since then
You ain't that slick.

And the Three Jokers thing is never being resolved. Geoff Johns is deeeeaaaaaaddddd and buried in a shallow grave with the Snyder Cut.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 06, 2018, 12:01:22 PM
Y u gotta kill my dreams like dat :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 06, 2018, 12:07:55 PM
Though now that I think about it I think King did say that Johns told him what his plan was, but that King wasn't going to be the one revealing it or using it in Batman as it was supposed to be part of something larger/outside like Doomsday Clock. So maybe...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 06, 2018, 12:13:26 PM
Though now that I think about it I think King did say that Johns told him what his plan was, but that King wasn't going to be the one revealing it or using it in Batman as it was supposed to be part of something larger/outside like Doomsday Clock. So maybe...

That's what I'm saying bro.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 12, 2018, 09:50:57 AM
Savage Dragon #235: What, no genital art this time?  You feeling OK, Erik??  (We still get Maxine sitting on Dragon's face and implied sex elsewhere though).  Not much happens here with Malcolm apart from shaving his beard and then beating up the villain of the month.  Back in Dimenson X, Angel buries her mom and then decides to turn lesbian on Alex, who appears to reciprocate those feelings.  Maybe this should be "Dimension XXX" with all the fucking going on.  Then Freak Force decides to finally go after and rescue them, and them the last shot is of Angel's mom's hand punching through her grave.  OK.  You could skip this entire issue and it probably wouldn't matter much in regards to the story.  Pretty ho-hum.  Larsen needs to do something with Malcolm Dragon already- it feels like nothing has happened with the character since he went to Canada.

X-23 #1: Why did Laura drop the Wolverine name again?  It's never explained here.  She's just back to being X-23 because...?  (The Marvel universe doesn't know that the original Logan is back yet)  This story is all about clones.  Clones, clones, clones.  And more clones.  Mainly focuses on the relationships and parallels between Laura and Gabby, and...the Stepford Cuckoos (wut), who are back and are secretly trying to grow new clone bodies for their previously-deceased sisters, who are already back alive but in decaying bodies.  And I don't really care- They tried to make the three surviving sisters be a bit different from each other and have some actual PERSONALITY in previous comics, but that's all gone here.

Amazing Spider-Man #1 is out, but haven't read it yet.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 12, 2018, 11:29:09 AM
So man of steel? Did it get better? Is it garbage? Is the new status quo garbage?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
It sounds like Jor El is somehow still alive and Lois and John go to live with him? Sounds dumb?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 12, 2018, 12:31:36 PM
Man Of Steel is already over.  Was a limited series.  And yup...Jor-El pops up and takes Lois and Jon on a trip through spaaaaaaace so that Bendis can have solo Superman for his new series that just started this week.

Expecting an aged-Jon to come back as evil Superboy or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2018, 12:52:26 PM
Bendis can DIAF.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 12, 2018, 01:18:19 PM
Am gonna say it again: Bendis + Superman is a bad combination.  Totally not a character he should be writing.  I think he could do a good job with a Superboy comic done like (Ultimate) Spider-Man, but he needs to stay the hell away from Clark.

Or better yet, give him Earth 2 to play with and keep him away from the main universe.  I think I said this before, too.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 12, 2018, 04:18:34 PM
Was Jor-El canonically alive prior to this? This seems sort of like bringing back Uncle Ben, like pretty fucking stupid just on its face.

And how is Jor-El going to criticize Superman as a parent? Supes should be like “fuck you dad, you sent me across the galaxy in a fucking spaceship when I was like a week old! You never even loved me!”
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2018, 04:45:34 PM
Was Jor-El canonically alive prior to this? This seems sort of like bringing back Uncle Ben, like pretty fucking stupid just on its face.

And how is Jor-El going to criticize Superman as a parent? Supes should be like “fuck you dad, you sent me across the galaxy in a fucking spaceship when I was like a week old! You never even loved me!”

Jor-El was brought back in Rebirth as Mr. Oz, which was so dumb I have to believe it was an unplanned swerve after literally everyone guessed the character was meant to be Ozymandias.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 12, 2018, 06:41:18 PM
I saw that after posting.

It’s going to be dumb when they reveal that Ozymandiss was the one controlling him.

But also, like, isn’t everyone super suspect that Jor-El was last seen dying with a hunk of Kryptonite in his eye, and was also a villain, so sending your kid with him seems like a a super dumb move. Or was that explained too. I think I have those trades but sort of petered out around the Manchester black stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 12, 2018, 06:54:56 PM

Jor-El was brought back in Rebirth as Mr. Oz,

:confused :mindblown
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 13, 2018, 10:43:23 AM
Superior Spider-ManOctopus is back- Marvel is launching a solo book for him in October!

They also have canceled Spider-Gwen...just so they can relaunch it under the name "Ghost Spider."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 14, 2018, 03:07:11 AM
Bendis can DIAF.
Yeah no one asked for this shit lmao
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2018, 06:01:52 PM
Literally every Superman review post-Rebirth was "this is such a breath of fresh air," "Marvel can learn a thing or two about reversing previous dumbass marriage-related decisions," "this is Superman summed up to a T," complete with review text ranging from stellar to raving about the quality of each story arc.

And then... Bendis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 15, 2018, 12:11:02 AM
I have liked some Bendis books in the past, but I think that he will be terrible on Superman.  Basically I’ve liked his daredevil and ultimate Spider-man. Everything else is sort of ehhhgg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 15, 2018, 02:19:38 AM
Amazing Spider-Man #1: This really does feel like Spider-Man is finally "getting back to basics" with a fresh start, yet it still calls back to some of the things that happened during Slott's run.  Spider-Man is back to being viewed as an annoying menace by his peers, and Peter's "Parker luck" is back in full force.  I also can't help but look at the art and think I'm seeing a brown-haired Invincible and MJ as Atom Eve.   :P

The big things that happen here are:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
-The comic opens with Peter dreaming of a time when he took MJ to the top of a building and let her see the view.  This is from when they were married, which he should have no memories of.  Then he wakes up.  The issue also ends with them hooking up.  Hmm...

-Peter gets fired from his job as Science Editor at the Daily Bugle.  He attends an event where some crazy new machine can examine papers and determine if they were plagiarized or not.  His own work is used as an example and he is "caught" because the paper he wrote was actually written by Doctor Octopus when he was inhabiting Peter's body.   :lol  So now everyone hates him even more than when he was the failed CEO of Parker Industries, lol.
[close]

Aslo Boomerang is Peter's roommate (this was revealed before this issue) and is a shitty roommate, at that.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2018, 10:00:16 PM
The second point is actually fucking awesome haha. :lol

Also they finally undoing OMD, hold me brehs. :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 16, 2018, 02:02:33 AM
https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/07/unproduced-alien-3-screenplay-is-being-adapted-into-a-comic-book-series/

:rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 16, 2018, 09:35:08 AM
I believe the official explanation of One Nore Day is that all the stuff that happens s while they were married happened... they just weren’t married for it.

Though imo it still makes it difficult to parse, because a lot of the dramatic weight of spider-man stories back then relied on the marriage and threats to his family. But afaik, they still lived together in Avengers tower, she still got pregnant with a spider-baby that was taken by the green goblin and so on.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 16, 2018, 11:49:41 AM
I thought OMD's premise is that they were married and everything happened...but Mephisto just made everyone forget all about it.

EDIT: Nope, you're right:
Quote
Mephisto then changes history so that Peter and Mary Jane never married, and no one remembers whose face is underneath Spider-Man's mask. Peter wakes up alone in bed, once again living with Aunt May. He attends a party being held for his best friend Harry Osborn (previously thought to have died in Spectacular Spider-Man #200), who introduces Lilly Hollister and Carlie Cooper. Peter glimpses Mary Jane sadly leaving the party. The guests all toast to a "Brand New Day."

So much dumb shit happened with Spider-Man in the mid 90s through the mid 2000s.  Replacing him with Ben Reilly, having him unmask (wasn't this Bendis?  :lol), the clone shit getting out of control (was what led me to drop the book in '96 or so), the "mystical" spider totem shit...just...no.  Keep it simple.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2018, 01:17:29 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3JvYb70.jpg)

:noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2018, 01:22:20 PM
I wish I didn't have to hide my love of Rainbow Brite and Sailor Moon as a kid. :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 18, 2018, 01:37:34 PM
I wish I didn't have to hide my love of Rainbow Brite and Sailor Moon as a kid. :'(

I watched OG My Little Pony, and I never told a soul. :shh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2018, 02:17:28 PM
I wish I didn't have to hide my love of Rainbow Brite and Sailor Moon as a kid. :'(

I watched OG My Little Pony, and I never told a soul. :shh

 :donot
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 18, 2018, 07:23:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3JvYb70.jpg)

:noah

Dynamite, huh?  Can't wait for the inevitable Rainbow Bright Vs. Vampirella Vs. Red Sonja crossover.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 19, 2018, 03:47:43 PM
Y'all ready to pay $8/month for a rotating selection of "curated" DC comics?

Cause I am. :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 19, 2018, 04:14:50 PM
They should just ape the marvel unlimited model part and parcel. I love that service ecen though their app is garbage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 19, 2018, 10:49:50 PM
(https://i.redditmedia.com/9ShoTr8AB4zK5SmgkipPfpzwochWy-Ev2u9mQbhRA_Y.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=61f70a6b0ef7a415a34bb9972d19ae71)

BENJI :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 02:19:47 AM
oh man tom fucking king, batman 51 is such a great idea

spoiler (click to show/hide)
bruce is stuck on jury duty... on a case involving batman
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 20, 2018, 08:41:32 AM
I think it's just a goofy coincidence. Johns introduced the "Three Jokers" in the Darkseid War arc which came out in mid 2015, so it was probably written a little before then.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 20, 2018, 09:47:17 AM
(https://i.redditmedia.com/9ShoTr8AB4zK5SmgkipPfpzwochWy-Ev2u9mQbhRA_Y.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=61f70a6b0ef7a415a34bb9972d19ae71)

BENJI :lawd

More multiverse shit?  Black label, though.  :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2018, 12:10:29 PM
(https://i.redditmedia.com/9ShoTr8AB4zK5SmgkipPfpzwochWy-Ev2u9mQbhRA_Y.jpg?fit=crop&crop=faces%2Centropy&arh=2&w=640&s=61f70a6b0ef7a415a34bb9972d19ae71)

BENJI :lawd

More multiverse shit?  Black label, though.  :o

Actually the cover has me leaning that it won't be multiverse shit. The common assumption during Darkseid War was the three Jokers were from three different comic eras: silver age, bronze age, modern.

However, if the cover's anything to go by, the Jokers are actually:

- The Joker from his first appearance in Batman (1940) #1.
- The Joker from A Death in the Family (Jason Todd's death.)
- The Joker from The Killing Joke.

Especially the latter two were active in DC continuity very close together.

So yeah, the fact that they're not just going to handwave it with "multiverse shit" is actually very exciting to me. This book will also be in-continuity, where as previously people thought DC Black Label was just going to be R-rated Elseworlds.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 20, 2018, 01:00:05 PM
This fits as the synopsis was talking about Barbara, Jason, and Bruce and how they have been affected by the joker.

And mentions that there are panels where at least two jokers interact.... will be upset if this is presented as Joker being crazy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2018, 01:11:14 PM
This fits as the synopsis was talking about Barbara, Jason, and Bruce and how they have been affected by the joker.

And mentions that there are panels where at least two jokers interact.... will be upset if this is presented as Joker being crazy.

Yeah, agreed. What could be really interesting about this tale is if there are in fact three separate Jokers that have operated (and it isn't handwaved away with multiverse shit), because Joker is a character that up until now does not work well with others. Of course, leaving him out of a group can also be disastrous, as Alexander Luthor Jr. found out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 20, 2018, 07:32:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ewihsUC.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 22, 2018, 02:11:12 AM
As soon as I catch up on Tec I think I’ll be up to date enough for whatever non Batman shit DC Nation #0 kicked off. How’s No Justice, Man Of Steel? Bendis fuck up Supes yet?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 22, 2018, 02:15:55 AM
As soon as I catch up on Tec I think I’ll be up to date enough for whatever non Batman shit DC Nation #0 kicked off. How’s No Justice, Man Of Steel? Bendis fuck up Supes yet?

Fucked it up worse than I ever thought possible, in just six issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 22, 2018, 02:26:21 AM
 :batman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2018, 05:10:14 AM
Justice League Dark :uguu
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 25, 2018, 08:22:13 AM
Bendis supes is basically a One More Day moment, but for no real reason.

At least in Spider-man they had basically written themselves into a corner on like two storylines, and you understood they needed to something stupid to get themselves out of it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 26, 2018, 08:40:37 PM
Finished Tynion’s Tec run. A little rushed but enjoyable. I’ll probably break there until Tomasi’s run is an issue or so in and start No Justice.

Saving Bendis for last. The preview in DC Nation 0 looked like a turd.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2018, 08:52:33 PM
'Tec is in good hands with Tomasi.

Of course I thought the same thing with King and Batman...

No matter what else, Grayson was still a GOAT comic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2018, 09:24:10 PM
Also I somehow didn't realize this, but Buffy Season 12 is only running for four issues.

Four. 4. No spinoffs, either. I counted, and:

- Season 8 had 68 issues total, including the canonical part of Angel: After the Fall (the first 17 issues) and spinoffs.
- Season 9 had 65 total, including Angel and spinoffs.
- Season 10 had 55 between Buffy and Angel.
- Season 11 had 24 between Buffy and Angel.

And Dark Horse confirmed it's the last of any Buffy/Angel comic to follow the "season" format.

Joss is writing all four issues so I wonder if this was an early tell that a new Buffyverse show was bubbling before it got officially announced/leaked. It's certainly being billed as the culmination of the entire Buffyverse as we know it, linking Buffy (+Willow, Xander, Dawn, Spike, etc.), Angel (+Illyria, etc.), and Fray (the Slayer from the future, who had her own comic before Season 8, and also a mini-arc in Season 8 too) all together.

Considering all this, Season 12 is already halfway done. Issue #2 came out on the 18th, #3 is August 22nd, and the entire series/universe finale is #4, landing on September 19th.

:drudge BENJI :drudge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 26, 2018, 09:31:32 PM
For the record, I think Season 10 was the best season out of the comics. Not too long (Season 8 ), not too short (Seasons 11 and 12.) It's a tough balance but Buffy was at its best mixing a season-long arc with a few diversions, and 10 nailed that the most. The new setting and character dynamics also worked really well for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 26, 2018, 10:42:58 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ewihsUC.png)

They woke up together in ASM #2 :)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2018, 02:42:46 PM
(https://i.redd.it/90hp5a5lcxc11.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 29, 2018, 03:05:25 PM
Finished No Justice and Man of Steel / Bendis Superman / Action.

No Justice: it was okay? Felt like the necessary bridge from Metal to JL for Snyder but didn’t really do much for me. Enjoyed JL #1 more than any of it.

Man of Steel: Just a complete shit covering of the previously best ongoing. I thought Jor was ripped back by Manhattan the last we saw him?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 29, 2018, 08:46:33 PM
I felt the same way about No Justice as I did Metal in the end.

A cool premise with an actual story that went over my head man did nothing for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on July 29, 2018, 10:32:20 PM
I felt the same way about No Justice as I did Metal in the end.

A cool premise with an actual story that went over my head man did nothing for me.

Yeah I mean even in JL #1 there's references being dropped that I've either forgotten (very likely) or never knew (also likely). Just part of comics at this point I guess.

Snyder channeling Morrison is appealing, but it comes with all of the "what the christ is going on".
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2018, 10:40:53 PM
Snyder was best as the anti-Morrison AKA the first half of his Batman run.

Anyone else trying to "channel Morrison" is going to fail because Morrison only really has done well a handful of times (Black Glove, Batman Inc, Multiversity.) When he's good, he's great, but he produces so many (failed) acid trip fests it's almost infuriating.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 29, 2018, 10:41:15 PM
Savage Dragon #236:

Just going to use some choice panel selections to sum up this issue.  Right-click and view at as a full image for all of the stuff with Dragon's wife being a total nympho wacky hi-jinx!

(https://i.imgur.com/i5adtvH.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 29, 2018, 10:46:03 PM
This preview cover for The Hunt For Wolverine: Mystery In Madripoor went up recently and people think it means that they may be turning Psylocke back into a white woman.  Doesn't seem like something that might go over well with some people in this day and age.  :doge

(https://i.imgur.com/94CNHaU.jpg)

They've teased this before, though, in a previous storyline where they dug up her original body and resurrected it for a bit or some shit.  I didn't read it.  Could also just be a teaser cover of sorts to throw people off.

I miss scantily-clad Jim Lee-designed Psylocke.   :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 29, 2018, 10:46:46 PM
I feel like Erik Larsen just fucking lost it sometime between 1998 and now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 30, 2018, 12:24:08 PM
Savage Dragon #236:

Just going to use some choice panel selections to sum up this issue.  Right-click and view at as a full image for all of the stuff with Dragon's wife being a total nympho wacky hi-jinx!

(https://i.imgur.com/i5adtvH.jpg)

Man every time you post an impression of a chapter of this thing i keep saying i should check this shit out

I just need to use a weekend or something. :beli
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2018, 12:34:10 PM
I feel like Erik Larsen just fucking lost it sometime between 1998 and now.

Thought you were talking about Jeph Loeb for a second.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 30, 2018, 12:46:39 PM
Yo, Savage Dragon had a Trump issue?

I’m disappointed if it doesn’t have Trump have sex with Putin in an elevator or something. Or get pissed on by supervillains.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 30, 2018, 08:05:00 PM
Yo, Savage Dragon had a Trump issue?

(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/savage-dragon-trump-1-600x922.jpg?x70969)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 31, 2018, 03:41:43 PM
https://www.cbr.com/teen-titans-robin-damian-wayne-supervillain-solution-explained/

Hmm.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bluemax on August 01, 2018, 12:43:20 AM
Snyder was best as the anti-Morrison AKA the first half of his Batman run.

Anyone else trying to "channel Morrison" is going to fail because Morrison only really has done well a handful of times (Black Glove, Batman Inc, Multiversity.) When he's good, he's great, but he produces so many (failed) acid trip fests it's almost infuriating.

I still love that Batman RIP tied together some random ass Batman story from the early 90s that I remember thinking was super weird as a kid. Having that deep pull out of nowhere was kind of amazing, but probably lost on people who don't remember comics they read 20+ years ago (and shit I barely remember what was going on).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 01, 2018, 12:58:56 AM
The Batman of Zur-En-Arrh is from 1958:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/13/Batman_of_Zur_En_Arrh.jpg)

That whole story arc from the start of the run was Morrison's attempts to explain Batman's goofy stories from the 1950s in the new canon, The Black Casebook TPB has the original stories and like a five page essay he wrote to explain it and RIP which I found funny because there was a long period where people ere like "wtf does this even mean" especially since the "ending" was in Final Crisis and they stuck it in the intro to some collection few people are going to even look at. It's where he pulled Doctor Hurt from and the International Club of Heroes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 01, 2018, 01:25:41 PM
https://www.cbr.com/teen-titans-robin-damian-wayne-supervillain-solution-explained/

Hmm.

OK, is Damien a little kid or a teenager?

(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Teen-Titans-20.jpg?q=35&w=984&h=518&fit=crop)
(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Teen-Titans-Black-Mask.jpg?q=35&w=864&h=452&fit=crop)

PICK ONE.
 :rage
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 01, 2018, 01:47:39 PM
He's canonically 13 right now.

So either one, depending on if he's had a barmitzvah or not.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 02, 2018, 03:11:53 AM
I like that neither looks 13. One looks about 17 and the other about 8.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Freyj on August 02, 2018, 06:08:30 PM
another point in the Tomasi Gleason Superman / Super Sons column
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 02, 2018, 06:24:01 PM
I like that neither looks 13. One looks about 17 and the other about 8.

Exactly- if I didn't know they were the same character, I'd think one was Damien and the other was Tim Drake in those two images.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 03, 2018, 10:10:55 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRWSNoDa-Og
:crazy  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 11, 2018, 01:21:49 AM
Savage Dragon #237:

Hmm.  Not sure if there's enough safe for work panels in this issue to post this time.

Things I've learned:

1. Erik Larsen really likes step brother/sister/wife threesomes
2. Erik Larsen really likes drawing pubic hair
3. Erik Larsen enjoys having...something dripping out of Maxine in at least one panel per issue.

Last issue's riveting plotline established that Dragon's wife, Maxine, gained the superpower of extreme nympho after coming back from the dead.  The issue opens with Dragon and his step-sister, Angel (who just returned from Dimension X and a lesbian affair with Alex) discussing the Maxine problem...while Maxine is sandwiched between the two of them going to town.  :doge  Pretty much anything with Maxine in this issue means fucking.  Her mother, who shacked up with Dragon's step-brother Kevin, also had a baby but that's barely a thing in this issue.  A bad guy shows up, Angel puts on Maxine's schoolgirl outfit because Erik can't have enough fetish shit, and then gets killed by the bad guy.  No more threesomes!?  Huge change in the status quo for this book?  :o  Nah, can't see that happening- either they're gonna find a new partner or Angel isn't dead. 

I wonder if one day we'll get back to this being a superhero book and something actually happening to advance the story. 
:thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2018, 04:46:04 AM
Checked out first four collected editions of Paper Girls, just started reading the first earlier...laughed at the first issue showing that the title is quite literal, that they're actual paper delivery girls. For some reason I never considered that this would be the case. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on August 12, 2018, 11:33:02 AM
Batman 51 & 52 is fun so far, I like the idea that Bane has put Batman in this position to scrutinize his own actions and second guess what he did as Batman. Hopefully this story pays off in the end in a way that doesnt completely ruin Bane and isnt break back part II the rehash.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on August 12, 2018, 11:47:45 AM
Mister Miracle 10 - Looking forward to the confrontation between Barda + MM and Darkseid, cant wait to see how it throws me for a loop,
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 14, 2018, 03:19:36 AM
Paper Girls is nowhere near as good as Saga, it's also...kinda bad at times. Also, being with Saga since the start, this almost feels like he's trying to write a story built around the same concept, but that loops in and on itself. Since it's time-travel you see events that will happen later. Right now it's mostly "see event" and it happens three issues later or something, but he's starting to drop in "see event, probably in fifteen issues" but knowing how Saga pulls the same stunt it's often not as important as it seems.

Also like, there are five times as many characters as there needs to be and it makes you more wonder are they throwaways or will they come back. Also, the first four collections collect the first 20 issues. At this point, we have barely established anything about the characters to where we need to stop introducing more and more.

After finishing that, though I don't think it's up to the latest issue I'll have to check that, I've moved onto Brian Wood's Starve. From DMZ, The Massive fame. It's basically Anthony Bourdain comes back from hiding in Asia for ten years or something to have to complete his TV show contract, only the show has become a twisted cooking game show made for the 0.1% in a world where that stuff has gotten really bad, and the host and "Bourdain"'s ex-wife are conspiring to not only make him lose, but kill him somehow and ruin the only things he cares about in life. And it's totally a fan-fic of a chef worship book, Wood totally mainlined Kitchen Confidential into his brain. And decided to make it way COOLER like literally having chefs fight for control of kitchens. I have the second collection to read and it has the best cover blurb in ages:
"The best, meanest, new Graphic Novel debut since Transmetropolitan" - Boing Boing

Which makes it sound like it's totally going to complete horseshit tryhardville.

Just to list here what the rest of this pile looks like:
Mycroft Holmes by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, yes, that Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
JoyRide from Jackson Lanzing and Collin Kelly
Normandy Gold from Megan Abbot and Alison Gaylin
Shade the Changing Girl from Young Animal and Cecil Castellucci (which makes me want to finally read the original Shade The Changing Man first sorta)

I'm not entirely sure what these are about, except well, Holmes is kinda obvious, and Shade. And Normandy Gold seems to be some kind of murder mystery thriller set in the 1970s. JoyRide seems to involve GIRLS IN SPACE.

Starve's cover art makes it look like some prehistoric cannibal caveman type thing, and then it opens with a deliberate Bourdain expy in a "twenty minutes from now" future from the second page.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 14, 2018, 08:14:49 AM
Let's talk about X-Men for a minute.

From the Hunt For Wolverine books, there's three big things that have happened:

-Psylocke is getting a caucasian body back.  (Can't wait for the S J W crowd to get wind of this.  :doge)  In fairness, Chris Clarement has said that he originally planned for Asian Psylocke to only last a couple of issues, but the story (or rather, Jim Lee's art) was so popular that it stuck.

-Tony Stark has discovered that X-23 is not a full-on clone of Wolverine and that the scientist/handler she had as a child was actually her mother (I thought we already knew this?)

-Tony has also discovered that one of the X-Men is some kind of sleeper agent, is not a mutant, and has been lying about being a mutant for a very long time.  This is Mister Sinister-related and makes me think it's Gambit. :thinking

Extermination was supposed to have been the big 'X' event happening, where the time-displaced O5 X-Men being time-displaced finally causes a bunch of problems, was being teased as the end of the X-Men, etc. etc.  It hasn't started yet and Marvel is already hyping up the next X-Men event after this.
:dead

Uncanny X-Men is starting back up with the 10-part "Uncanny X-Men: Disassembled" story that teases that this is the end of the X-Men, etc. etc.  Basically exactly what Extermination is doing...again.  :lol
:confused

(https://i1.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/uncanny_x-men_teaser.jpg)

There's some noticeable absences in that teaser image, including the O5 teenage X-Men (who I assume will be gone after Extermination, otherwise...lol), Wolverine, Old Man Logan (who is also expected to be going away with original Logan back), Magneto (likely back to being a villain), Emma Frost (ditto?), Cable, and X (the resurrected Prof. X in Fantomex's body). 

Really wondering what the point of all these EARTH-SHATTERING EVENT storylines are with the X-Men lately.  Hopefully this is just some kind of clean-up and re-organization to bring the X-Men back into the spotlight and set up teams with characters who will end up popping up in the Marvel movies or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 16, 2018, 07:37:28 AM
X-Men: Extermination #1:

Pretty sure that the current story in X-Men Blue, which still has one or two more issues to go, is supposed to lead into this, but whatever-

Extermination is being billed as the final time-displaced teenage original five X-Men story and is all about time-travel (and presumably the future being fucked up because of their actions in the present- pretty sure this is what Blue is supposed to have shown already), with classic X-Men: Days Of Future Present villain Ahab returning to hunt down the O5.  Also a number of character deaths.

Spoilers:
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Cyclops and Blood Storm go on a date and Ahab attacks.  Ahab kills Blood Storm with a conveniently silver-laced spear, citing that there's lots of vampires in the future.  Was wondering how they were going to get rid of this character after the O5 are gone and there we go. 

Cyclops unleashes a massive optic blast that Ahab is unprepared for and escapes.  He goes to the X-Mansion and calls out Prestige (Rachel Grey), because she has recently gotten the "hound" markings on her face in X-Men Gold, who confirms who Ahab is. 

The second part of this story involves a mysterious hooded figure, who to me instantly screams "X-Man," appearing and taking out (young) Iceman.  He is initially saved by Cable, who someone remembered is an X-Men character, but then the hooded figure shoots and kills Cable.  I dunno what it is, but it really felt like Cable went out like a bitch.

Hooded guy takes Iceman and puts him in a holding tank of some kind and we see extra tanks for the remaining time-displaced X-Men.  He then reveals himself to be not X-Man, but...Cable.  A younger Cable without the techno-organic virus.
:confused
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 16, 2018, 10:03:59 AM
I thought X-man was cable... or something like that?

Also, no way that story doesn’t end with a bunch of time fuckery.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 16, 2018, 02:29:07 PM
Old Man Logan is now Dead Man Logan.

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Quote
Marvel and Brisson have billed the series as the end of the Old Man Logan saga.

"This is it. This is going to be the big, final Old Man Logan story," Brisson told Newsarama. "Logan's dying and still has a lot of unfinished business to attend to. Dead Man Logan will largely be Logan tying up loose ends - loose ends like Mysterio, the man who, in Old Man Logan's timeline, caused him to kill all of the X-Men. That's not a box that Logan's going to leave unchecked.

"We've got lots of big battles and some crazy stuff in store. With a title like Dead Man Logan, it's probably no surprise where we're going. This one's all about the journey."

The version of Wolverine now known as Old Man Logan was created by Mark Millar and Steve McNiven in the original “Old Man Logan” story. That story was set in an alternate future where the supervillains had struck as a united front and finally defeated the heroes. Mysterio used his illusion powers to get Wolverine to kill the other X-Men. After that, Logan lived for years without popping his claws until the Hulk Gang murdered his family.

I thought X-man was cable... or something like that?

Also, no way that story doesn’t end with a bunch of time fuckery.

Yeah, both are Nathan Summers.   :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2018, 02:31:59 PM
X-Man Nathan Summers came over from the Age of Apocalypse universe, though Blink is way better.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 16, 2018, 03:47:28 PM
Isn’t blink like dead or something? She was cool in exiles.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 16, 2018, 04:44:21 PM
AoA Blink is still around and is in the latest Exiles revival comic series.
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Can't remember what happened to 616 Blink.  They brought her back in one of the X-Men storylines (maybe Necrosha?) as a bad guy, IIRC, but can't recall if she got killed off again or disappeared after that and no one cared.

EDIT: Yup, Necrosha. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blink_(comics))  Then came back again in a story I didn't read, did a face turn, and I guess that was about it.  No1curr, etc etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 16, 2018, 06:43:13 PM
The first Exiles run was soooo good.

The mystery behind it all at the start and actually missing the characters as they came and went. :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 17, 2018, 01:29:01 PM
I didn’t realize there was a new exiles.


I really liked the early volumes.... but it gets progressively worse with time.

I’ve been reading the new runaways, and I actually like it... at least the first six issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 18, 2018, 10:44:19 PM
The first Exiles run was soooo good.

The mystery behind it all at the start and actually missing the characters as they came and went. :'(

Pour one out for Mimic.  :'(

Exiles is what got me back into comics, after having not read much of anything for a years, when I was living overseas.  Really enjoyed how it was "interactive What If?" and had the characters jumping between all the various alternate worlds.  Began losing some interest when Chris Claremont took over the writing duties and started doing Claremont-era X-Men stuff- Was nice to see Psylocke come back, but then he had Slaymaster pop up (really??), Proteus come back and end up possessing a dead Morph's body (and was tricked into thinking he WAS Morph- how did that get resolved?), etc. etc. 

Then another Exiles series started up with Claremont again writing and Psylocke and AoA Sabertooth as the leads.  I didn't read it.  Maybe I should?

And then another series started up that brought back Blink but didn't last.

Then we got the more "X" focused X-Treme X-Men that was kind of similar to Exiles, but sort of came and went. 

I didn’t realize there was a new exiles.

It reminds me of X-Treme X-Men in that doesn't get a lot of attention and is sort of just there.  Nothing earth-shattering happening and the current roster is kind of boring. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 18, 2018, 11:47:52 PM
I believe the proteus morph sacrificed himself to save the team.

I’m not 💯on that though and am going on memory. Either that or he again realized he was proteus.

Chris Claremont kind of sucked. I think we can all safely say say that now despite his “legendary” status.

I believe I enjoyed the exiles with AOA sabretooth and psylocke. I wouldn’t spend time hunting it down, but if you have unlimited or something I’d give it a go.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 18, 2018, 11:55:31 PM
Appears I was wrong about morph. Somehow he got his body back.

I do like how they would incorporate elseworlds stuff.

They had bloodstorm in it for a bit, and then the assassin Spider-Man. Exiles rules. So did runaways.
Young avengers was fucking trash though. Especially that reality show focused version around dark reign.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2018, 12:14:08 AM
Ha, reading Exiles and then especially that first arc of Runaways along with taking in the unbelievable scope of No Man's Land is what started to return me to comics on a regular basis after I had moved away from them for whatever reason for some years starting in my teens.

Then I think Fables is what really cemented me back in them as an ongoing concern for good and I haven't escaped since.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 19, 2018, 12:50:19 AM
Fables was excellent.

That was one of the last books my dad and I read together mailing trades back and forth.

I have never read No Mans Land, that’s the Batman story line from the late 90s, right? Is it worth going back to?


I took a pretty big break from comics through basically 1997 through 2010. Comixology and marvel unlimited is what got me back into it. I can’t really do the whole physical books anymore.

So my first exposure to exiles was maybe 2011 or 2012. I think I first read it as a dark reign crossover.

I also really liked Dark Reign. I don’t hear much love for it from anyone else, but i really enjoyed that whole thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 21, 2018, 05:46:42 AM
https://twitter.com/TomKingTK/status/1031207057687556098
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 21, 2018, 03:01:16 PM
I see the X-men continues to be all over the place  :lol :lol :lol :lol

Given they are getting rid of these characters for the OG squad to return so when is Cyclops coming back  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:07:49 PM
I see the X-men continues to be all over the place  :lol :lol :lol :lol

Given they are getting rid of these characters for the OG squad to return so when is Cyclops coming back  :doge

If not after Extinction, I bet he's back after Uncanny restarts.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 03:08:05 PM
What *has* Cyke been up to since AvX?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:18:37 PM
What *has* Cyke been up to since AvX?

-Killed Xavier while possessed by the Phoenix force during AvX
-Goes to prison after the events of AvX
-Is broken out by Magneto and starts another team of "outlaw" X-Men with Emma Frost, Magik, and Magneto
-Eventually breaks this team up and sends his students to the other X-Men school
-Secret Wars happens
-Post Secret Wars, Cyclops is secretly one of the first to die from the M-Pox virus that comes about from the Terrigen mist clouds flying around the world that creates new Inhumans (this is when Marvel was trying to make Inhumans the next X-Men and failing miserably)

And that's it.  He was made to be a generally unlikable bitch, kills his mentor, doesn't pay for his crime, then just dies.  All the stuff with Cyclops after Death Of X and the X-Men vs. Inhumans stuff that follows with Cyclops is actually just Emma Frost using her powers to make people think he's alive and her doing what she think he would have done.

EDIT: Oh, one more thing:

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When the Phoenix attempts to return once again by bringing the adult Jean Grey back to life, it allows her to talk with what appears to be Cyclops' spirit, but after reading his mind about the events that led to his death, Jean simply expresses regret that she wasn't there to help him, the two apologizing for the way things ended before she and Scott agree that they belong dead. 'Scott' subsequently ages rapidly and dies in Jean's arms, Jean informing the Phoenix that all she wanted was to say goodbye to her husband.

So he came back only to die again  :lol  I wish they would stop killing off characters if all that's going to happen is them coming back later on.  If you don't want to use a character...why not have him/her "retire" for a bit or go off to do their own thing in another book or not at all for a while?  That used to happen in the X-Men books in the late 70s/early 80s with the original X-Men.  Why the hell don't they just do that now?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 03:39:21 PM
I'm firmly on Team Cyke. Him killing Xavier was awesome. He was also totally right in AvX.

Prove me wrong.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 03:50:23 PM
I'm firmly on Team Cyke. Him killing Xavier was awesome. He was also totally right in AvX.

Prove me wrong.

I can't even remember what all the drama between Cyclops and Wolverine was about at this point.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
I'm firmly on Team Cyke. Him killing Xavier was awesome. He was also totally right in AvX.

Prove me wrong.

I can't even remember what all the drama between Cyclops and Wolverine was about at this point.  :lol

Something about the Phoenix coming to earth to reside in Hope (peacefully?) and Cap(?) not believing Scott about it so Cap fucks up and splits the Phoenix into five parts, which actually works OK for a while but then it starts breaking down so Scott goes "I'M THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN HANDLE DA POWER" and he basically does, during which time he kills Prof X.

I think that's how it went down anyways. Cap was wrong about the Phoenix's intentions and Hope's abilities to contain it and Cyke was right.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on August 21, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
Should I read Metal? I liked Snyder Batman take before the whole Court of the Owls BS
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 04:12:49 PM
Oh, OK, you don't mean Schism...you mean just the AvX part.  Naw, I don't agree- Cyke couldn't handle the power, hence him killing Xavier and getting greedy, and taking more power from the others.

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In defense against the combined assault of the Avengers and the X-Men, Cyclops kills Xavier and attacks Emma Frost, absorbing her portion of the Phoenix Force and elevating to Dark Phoenix.[94] In pitched battle, the Avengers and X-Men weaken Cyclops enough for Hope to absorb the Phoenix Force into herself. She undoes the changes to the world caused by Cyclops and she and the Scarlet Witch then spread out the Phoenix Force across the globe, causing thousands of people to become mutants. Cyclops is held captive in a ruby quartz cell and while guilt-stricken over killing Xavier, he is happy over the mutant race restarted and claims he would do it all over again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 04:26:21 PM
Xavier is a massive controlling creep in the comics and I'm glad Scott killed him.

Also "Oh gee let's all attack this superpowerful former teammate who's clearly under a lot of mental stress over no one listening to him even though he was right about the Pheonix and Hope, that should work out." ::)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 04:27:24 PM
None of them could handle the Phoenix force.  That was kind of the point of the whole story.  IIRC there was backstory involving previous Phoenix force holders and Hope was supposed to be the current incarnation or whatever, but wasn't ready for it.

Also Xavier is already back.
:neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 04:28:24 PM
Should I read Metal? I liked Snyder Batman take before the whole Court of the Owls BS

Court of Owls was his first Batman storyline though?? :confused Unless you mean Black Mirror or Gates of Gotham.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 04:29:50 PM
None of them could handle the Phoenix force.  That was kind of the point of the whole story.  IIRC there was backstory involving previous Phoenix force holders and Hope was supposed to be the current incarnation or whatever, but wasn't ready for it.

Also Xavier is already back.
:neogaf

"the Avengers and X-Men weaken Cyclops enough for Hope to absorb the Phoenix Force into herself. She undoes the changes to the world caused by Cyclops and she and the Scarlet Witch then spread out the Phoenix Force across the globe, causing thousands of people to become mutants."

This is literally what Cyclops was telling them would happen. Scott didn't even want the Phoenix Force before he got it. (It should also be noted that even in a world where Cyke killing X was unjustified, Scott wouldn't be on the hook for it anyways since PF has a will of its own and corrupting people is kinda it's thang.)

Lo and behold.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 04:40:32 PM
None of them could handle the Phoenix force.  That was kind of the point of the whole story.  IIRC there was backstory involving previous Phoenix force holders and Hope was supposed to be the current incarnation or whatever, but wasn't ready for it.

Also Xavier is already back.
:neogaf

"the Avengers and X-Men weaken Cyclops enough for Hope to absorb the Phoenix Force into herself. She undoes the changes to the world caused by Cyclops and she and the Scarlet Witch then spread out the Phoenix Force across the globe, causing thousands of people to become mutants."

This is literally what Cyclops was telling them would happen. Scott didn't even want the Phoenix Force before he got it. (It should also be noted that even in a world where Cyke killing X was unjustified, Scott wouldn't be on the hook for it anyways since PF has a will of its own and corrupting people is kinda it's thang.)

Lo and behold.

There was more to the story than that, but it's been what...5-6 years?  So I don't quite remember.  But a big part was the Phoenix five slowly turning into dark phoenixes, hence what Cyclops did.  He didn't want Hope to have that power at that point, IIRC.

Also why are we talking about this?  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 04:43:37 PM
No idea. :lol But it's probably the only marvel thing I care about. AvX is in the 1% of my Comixology library that's not DC. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 04:50:06 PM
Went back and checked the AvX summary rather than a Cyclops summary.  This story was kind of like part four of a storyline that started with the Messiah Complex -> Messiah War -> Second Coming arcs that ultimately introduced and centered on Hope (funny how she's barely a character in X books now).  That also reminded me of how those storylines made Bishop into a bad guy, since he wanted to kill Hope, but now he's back with the X-Men too.  :lol ::)

It's Cable who tells people that the Phoenix is coming and that a fuck-up by the Avengers destroys the future.  Cyclops takes Cable's side here and is clearly in the right, but then ends up getting possessed by the Phoenix and goes dark...and doesn't want to give up the power.  Now he's in the wrong. 

It's both an Avengers and X-Men team-up with Hope and Scarlet Witch (yes, I know, I know...she's a mutant) that stops him.  Who suggested the team-up?  Captain America.   It is then Hope who uses her power to restore the mutant population.  Cyclops had nothing to do with it and is just happy that this happened in the end, despite all the damage and deaths that he caused. 

Marvel made him into an unlikable jerk to the point that they came up with the idea to bring in a younger version of himself who hated what he became.  That said, look at Wolverine- he was made to be the "better man" of the two, but while Cyclops was getting blamed for X-Force being the black ops X-squad, who was carrying out all that shit?  Wolverine.
:ufup

Lock 'em all up.  :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 04:55:48 PM
*activates benji signal* :drudge

BTW the penultimate issue of all canonical Buffy season comics ever comes out tomorrow!

(https://d2lzb5v10mb0lj.cloudfront.net/covers/600/30/3003273.jpg)

Sad to see this incredible, decade-plus run come to an end. :(

Disney buying Fox means that Dark Horse is handing over all of Joss's comics rights to Marvel (like with Star Wars.) So it's possible my Marvel collection will get bumped up in the future I guess. :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 05:00:55 PM
No idea. :lol But it's probably the only marvel thing I care about. AvX is in the 1% of my Comixology library that's not DC. :lol

If you go and check out other stories from before and after AvX, you'll see that Cyclops was ultimately a dick.   :lol  They just kept making him more and more unlikable.  I don't remember anyone saying they even really cared when they killed him off.   :lol

Let's see here-

Cyclops- Became an almost dictator-like douchebag
Jean- Hosted the Phoenix force, more than once, which caused galaxy-wide problems
Beast- Brought back the O5 from the past which has fucked up time
Angel- Got all fucked up by Apocalypse and at one point was going fuck everything up as Archangel
Havok- Got changed to a bad guy and did lots of fucked up shit

So I guess the ones who came out ahead were Polaris (who also had some issues) and Iceman.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 05:05:50 PM
I also really liked Dark Reign. I don’t hear much love for it from anyone else, but i really enjoyed that whole thing.

Ditto, from what I read of it.  I don't think I read all the Dark Avengers comics and never did read Siege, but I liked how after Norman Osborn 'wins' and is in charge, it's not just "WE'RE THE BAD GUYS AND WE WON HAHAHAHAH!!!" but rather most of the Dark Avengers actually trying to be superheroes, especially Moonstone, who wanted to surpass Ms. Marvel in that role.  Mac Gargan as a fucked-up Spider-Man was also fun.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 05:06:03 PM
Yeah but teen Iceman got outed but not adult Iceman right? How does that one work. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 21, 2018, 05:08:33 PM
Yeah but teen Iceman got outed but not adult Iceman right? How does that one work. :lol

Quote
young Bobby confronts his older self, who admits to being gay, having 'concealed' that part of himself so that he could have avoid being prejudiced against for another part of himself.

No idea if they ever touched on that again- IIRC adult Bobby was trying to date Kitty Pryde, but maybe that was before the gay reveal.  Hard to remember.

I don't recall the younger version being gay leading to anything big, either- he dated an Inhuman and it was more like "GASP MUTANTS AND INHUMANS TOGETHER?!?!" before they ended it.  I feel like maybe they just wanted something to separate the younger Iceman from the older one, since out of all younger/older versions of the characters, they're the most similar to one another.

Who knows.  The easiest answer is "Bendis, lol." 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on August 21, 2018, 06:42:20 PM
Should I read Metal? I liked Snyder Batman take before the whole Court of the Owls BS

Court of Owls was his first Batman storyline though?? :confused Unless you mean Black Mirror or Gates of Gotham.

Detective Comics during Bat Dick days (Black Mirror)...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 06:49:46 PM
That was literally just 1 of his 2 pre-Court Bat stories. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on August 21, 2018, 10:05:31 PM
That was literally just 1 of his 2 pre-Court Bat stories. :lol

So? I liked them but I thought the Court of Olws was just Batman RIP with good art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 10:12:48 PM
I thought the Court of Olws was just Batman RIP with good art.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on August 21, 2018, 10:18:42 PM
I thought the Court of Olws was just Batman RIP with good art.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/CiYImHHBivpAs/giphy.gif)

Secret conspiracy that implies the Waynes were secretly evil pushing Batman to his psychological limits?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 10:23:15 PM
:thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on August 21, 2018, 10:28:30 PM
:thinking

I suppose Im right given the lack of text to contextualize that emoji.

Anyway, Metal is worth reading or not for someone that dropped comics in general after Batman Inc ended?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2018, 10:29:41 PM
No, you won't like it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on August 21, 2018, 10:32:39 PM
No, you won't like it.

Thanks, all I asked.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 22, 2018, 07:51:01 AM
I see the X-men continues to be all over the place  :lol :lol :lol :lol

Given they are getting rid of these characters for the OG squad to return so when is Cyclops coming back  :doge

If not after Extinction, I bet he's back after Uncanny restarts.  :doge

I wonder what bullshit they will use and will he return to massive edgelord status.  :thinking

It kinda sucks since hes between a rock and a hard place because you either hate him for being too much of a goodie too shoes or a massive cunt  :beli
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 11:41:20 AM
OK, now I'm on board with the Psylocke-return-to-CAC body change-- At the end of Mystery In Madripoor, the Asian body wakes up with who is presumably Kwannon back in control:

(https://media.comicbook.com/2018/08/psylocke-ninja-1129799.jpeg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 22, 2018, 12:19:52 PM
Does Betsy have the powers too now or not due to it being in that body you posted. :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 22, 2018, 12:26:15 PM
Race change body swap fuckery :dead

Marvel fuckery :dead

Combining the two :dead :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 12:27:23 PM
Does Betsy have the powers too now or not due to it being in that body you posted. :thinking

She has her powers, too- haven't read this yet, but the story is that she gets sort of psychically-absorbed into Sapphire Styx's body.  Sapphire is a psychic vampire of sorts who absorbs souls.  While in there, Psylocke encounters various souls including a part of Wolverine (as Patch) and the soul remnants join with Psylocke to give her a shitload of power.  She then uses this power to burst free from Sapphire's mind/body/wherever and uses ions to recreate her original body.

So now we have kind of a reversal going on here of what has happened before, with original Betsy and Kwannon/Revanche now back in their bodies...so two Psylockes?  Wonder if this is something that will be ignored, if we'll have two Psylockes on the X-Men, or if Kwannon will be a villain (again)? :thinking 

Wolverine officially never shows up in any of these "Hunt For Wolverine" mini-series, but some of the revelations that have come from some of them could lead to some fun storylines if done right. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 01:20:26 PM
Race change body swap fuckery :dead

Marvel fuckery :dead

Combining the two :dead :dead

I think they should have just left it alone since the character has been that way for 30 years and her backstory just gets more and more complicated.-

She started out as Captain Britain's sister (with psi-powers)
She gets to be Captain Britain for a bit (at some point here, an evil version of her brother from another world tries to rape her.  Uh...)
She gets blinded by Slaymaster, who gouged her eyes out
She refuses implants, but Mojo kidnaps her, gives her cybernetic eyes (with cameras), and brainwashes her
The X-Men rescue her and she joins the X-Men, but sucks in combat and just kind of sits around until Wolverine (?) starts training her

Now here's where it gets even dumber:

Psylocke gets a premonition that The Reavers are going to kill all the X-Men
She sends them through the Siege Perilous, which is a fancy term for "throw the X-Men into a magical-cosmic portal and spit them out in new locations with character changes"
Psylocke is spit out of the portal as an amnesiac right near a Hand fortress.  They decide that she is perfect to use in an attempt to resurrect Kwannon, who was the Hand leader's lover and top assassin, and brain-dead at the time.
Somehow Mojo and Spiral contact the Hand and the two use psychic Hand conditioning and Mojo...stuff ("the Body Shoppe".  Sure!) to swap Psylocke's mind into Kwannon's body, with her psychic powers intact, and use her as an assassin.
We now have super-ninja Psylocke who's bad ass and shows lots of ass because Jim Lee wanted to draw some more half-nekkid women (bless you, Jim)

 :dizzy

Kwannon then comes back a few years later, somehow inhabiting Psylocke's original body.  There's also a mess of memories and both are sort of the same person (and also used to explain why Asian Psylocke is kind of a sexpot who flirted with Cyclops and likes to run around half-naked- that's the Kwannon personality coming out).  This is sorted but then Kwannon dies because the original body got the legacy virus.

Psylocke gets fucked up somehow and another mystical thing called the Crimson Dawn restores her, giving her that dumb red tattoo over her eye and some different shadow-like powers.  I wasn't reading X-Men at this point so I have no idea how she got the psychic powers back (maybe she didn't?).  A few years later, Psylocke gets killed by Vargas.

Psylocke is mysteriously resurrected again a few more years later (I think this was supposed to be her crazy other brother Jamie Braddock's doing?), does X-Men stuff, then is transported to wherever the Exiles are and is in that series for a while.

An evil group of female mutants led by Madelyne Pryor resurrects her original body and makes Psylocke's mind go back into it.  I didn't read this story (Greg Land art :yuck) but I think the gist was that she was brainwashed, given her old powers back, and then the X-men win and she goes back to the Asian body.

Nice and easy to follow.
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 22, 2018, 01:21:14 PM
Does Betsy have the powers too now or not due to it being in that body you posted. :thinking

She has her powers, too- haven't read this yet, but the story is that she gets sort of psychically-absorbed into Sapphire Styx's body.  Sapphire is a psychic vampire of sorts who absorbs souls.  While in there, Psylocke encounters various souls including a part of Wolverine (as Patch) and the soul remnants join with Psylocke to give her a shitload of power.  She then uses this power to burst free from Sapphire's mind/body/wherever and uses ions to recreate her original body.

So now we have kind of a reversal going on here of what has happened before, with original Betsy and Kwannon/Revanche now back in their bodies...so two Psylockes?  Wonder if this is something that will be ignored, if we'll have two Psylockes on the X-Men, or if Kwannon will be a villain (again)? :thinking 

Wolverine officially never shows up in any of these "Hunt For Wolverine" mini-series, but some of the revelations that have come from some of them could lead to some fun storylines if done right.

 :lol

I would assume she becomes a villain since you would need an evil version for the BrotherHood or whoever will hire her plus it would cause some fuckery if certain people don't know she has been split.

Though it would be interesting if both were on the good side :thinking

Is he still roaming around with a goddamn infinity stone?  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 01:33:48 PM
I would assume she becomes a villain since you would need an evil version for the BrotherHood or whoever will hire her plus it would cause some fuckery if certain people don't know she has been split.

Though it would be interesting if both were on the good side :thinking

Them being on the same side and part of the X-Men is exactly what happened for a bit, in the early 90s, when Revanche was introduced.   :lol  Having two of the same character isn't any special nowadays anyway- look at how many Spider-Men and Wolverines there are, lol.

Is he still roaming around with a goddamn infinity stone?  :doge

AFAIK, yup.  Dunno if he's popped up in the currently big Infinite story going on right now (where Gamora is just killing bitches- Thanos and Adam Warlock are dead so far).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 01:53:37 PM
Astonishing X-Men Annual #1: In which the currently-living O5 adult X-Men (so everyone but Cyclops) meet for dinner, but then the party is crashed by X (resurrected Professor X in Fantomex's body), who was last seen in Astonishing mind-wiping his existence from everyone but Psylocke.

X reveals his identity to his students, admits to having been wrong about a lot things he did in the past, and then invites them all out to a little town in New York where he has a fancy car and a mansion, plus clothes for them all, despite having no access to his estate.  (This is questioned by the X-Men but no explanation is given).  The X-Men then just kind of lounge around town and Iceman eats burgers and shit.

What this story actually turns into is:

spoiler (click to show/hide)
The X-Men realizing they're in a town that was formerly full of mutant-hating bigots, who are all acting super-nice, and that's because Lucifer (an alien parasite being who is responsible for paralyzing Xavier's old body and suggested as being so old that he's who the devil was named after...despite, you know...Mephisto) has invaded their bodies.  X's plan is to attack his primary host body and kill him, despite Beast, having been possessed, saying that all that happens is that you feel great and at peace with yourself, and the revelation that human bodies won't be able to handle the shock, so they'll all die when the primary host is killed.

The X-Men protest this, but Lucifer makes the mistake of trying to turn Angel, who promptly reverts to Archangel and kills him, and sure enough, the town pretty much drops dead.  X then mindwipes everyone and disappears.
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Is Marvel trying to make X into the next Cyclops?  If so, they're doing a great job- he's a stuck-up, unlikable douchebag!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 22, 2018, 02:04:14 PM
Are there any big X-Men characters who haven't died or gone through a major body swap/change?  Having trouble thinking of anybody.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 22, 2018, 03:06:05 PM

I would assume she becomes a villain since you would need an evil version for the BrotherHood or whoever will hire her plus it would cause some fuckery if certain people don't know she has been split.

Though it would be interesting if both were on the good side :thinking

Them being on the same side and part of the X-Men is exactly what happened for a bit, in the early 90s, when Revanche was introduced.   :lol  Having two of the same character isn't any special nowadays anyway- look at how many Spider-Men and Wolverines there are, lol.


Also Venom suits when i think about it.


Is he still roaming around with a goddamn infinity stone?  :doge

AFAIK, yup.  Dunno if he's popped up in the currently big Infinite story going on right now (where Gamora is just killing bitches- Thanos and Adam Warlock are dead so far).

Oh they already revealed that mysterious character was her right.

Ever since they showed that fragment of her soul being trapped in soul world i started to think it was her (plus knowing about and taking out Thanos himself)  :lol




Also X still seems like an huge asshole.

Ever since it was revealed he was pining for Jean everything else just started to go to shit especially with the Vulcan reveal SNAFU.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 23, 2018, 11:27:25 PM
https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/brian-michael-bendis-vows-to-remove-the-word-*incoherently screeching*-from-action-comics-1002-reprints

Bendis run already shitting the bed.

Wait, just kidding, it was shit since Man of Steel was an idea in that daft cunt's brain.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I'm on a total revenge warpath after that series. Jesus Christ.
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Edit- The Bore has a word filter for this? The fuck?

Whoever did this is worse than bendis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 24, 2018, 01:03:29 PM
Hopefully he changes it to “Autist”
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2018, 07:30:27 PM
Nightwing got shot in the head.

So after 17 months of being Nightwing again he's amnesiac.

DC, I don't hate the decision, I'm just baffled... :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: team filler on September 03, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
Anyone still read weekly/monthly comics? Use this thread to post what you're reading or recommend something that's worth reading.
why did manabyte stop posting here?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 04, 2018, 10:49:17 AM
Anyone still read weekly/monthly comics? Use this thread to post what you're reading or recommend something that's worth reading.
why did manabyte stop posting here?

Dunno; maybe ask in a different thread.
:ufup
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 04, 2018, 10:50:05 AM
Nightwing got shot in the head.

So after 17 months of being Nightwing again he's amnesiac.

DC, I don't hate the decision, I'm just baffled... :thinking

Grayson-style stuff again or no?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2018, 12:33:16 PM
Nightwing got shot in the head.

So after 17 months of being Nightwing again he's amnesiac.

DC, I don't hate the decision, I'm just baffled... :thinking

Grayson-style stuff again or no?

Amnesiac stuff it seems. Cause that hasn't been mined to death. :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 04, 2018, 04:23:44 PM
Nightwing got shot in the head.

So after 17 months of being Nightwing again he's amnesiac.

DC, I don't hate the decision, I'm just baffled... :thinking

Talk about Plot Armor, geez
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2018, 04:25:51 PM
DC has literally done everything to kill Nightwing, including killing him*, and it hasn't stuck for more like, 30 seconds. Literally. Goes back to Infinite Crisis and even longer. DC thinks Dick must die.

* He was clinically dead for like a few seconds so they could extract a bomb or something in Future's End.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 05, 2018, 01:34:23 AM
https://twitter.com/UberKryptonian/status/1035691117898022919?s=19

Robotman isn't CG?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 05, 2018, 05:52:29 AM
Nightwing got a nice Tom King issue this week tho.

Justice League is such a mess, but Snyder at least knew which source of information and backup plan to give Luthor.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 06, 2018, 08:54:33 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dmc96hvXoAACxA_.jpg:large)

Welp. :beli
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on September 06, 2018, 09:14:30 PM
$75 a year?  :kobeyuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 06, 2018, 09:26:53 PM
$75 a year?  :kobeyuck

I think it's $100/year after the "special" early sign-up period. :lol I basically got $25 off + 3 months free for a service I knew I was going to sign up for anyways. 😬

If you go month-to-month I think it'll "just" be $10 but that's still more than Netflix. Pretty much just for DC hardcores for the foreseeable future.


Nope, it'll stay at $75/year and be $8/month instead. Quite a bit better deal. I guess preordering only gets you the free three months. :thinking

Quote
Today DC announced that an annual DC Universe subscriptions will cost $74.99 while monthly memberships will be $7.99. For those fees, members will have access to all of the service’s new shows like Titans, Young Justice: Outsiders, and Swamp Thing in addition to hundreds of DC’s comics and much of Warner Bros.’ back catalog of comic book movies and TV shows.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 06, 2018, 09:30:38 PM
Also it comes out the day before my birthday so hey, happy early birthday gift to myself. 🎁
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 06, 2018, 09:57:48 PM
Hundreds of comic books does not sound very comprehensive.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 06, 2018, 10:06:17 PM
Hundreds of comic books does not sound very comprehensive.

https://twitter.com/TheDCUniverse/status/1034967134013538304

2500 issues doesn't sound too terrible to me, I think I have about 1000 after collecting for like six years. With 65%+ of my collection being post-New 52, I think it's safe to say the DCU catalogue and mine won't have much overlap. (I assume it'll focus mostly on older stuff, like Marvel's service.)

Though from the tweet it sounds like it'll be fixed at around 2500, with certain issues leaving and joining. Hope that isn't the case and they just add to it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 06, 2018, 11:45:53 PM
Managing a set of what's available and what's not always sounds like more work to me than just continuously adding to the catalog since most users won't use more than 10% of it probably anyway. And this applies to stuff like the similar programs from Microsoft or whoever. At least in that case there's licensing issues involved, DC owns everything they'll be putting up presumably.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 06, 2018, 11:52:54 PM
Managing a set of what's available and what's not always sounds like more work to me than just continuously adding to the catalog since most users won't use more than 10% of it probably anyway. And this applies to stuff like the similar programs from Microsoft or whoever. At least in that case there's licensing issues involved, DC owns everything they'll be putting up presumably.

I doubt I'll change my comics consumption much other than "Oh hey is that old series on DCU? I'll see if it's there; if not, I'll buy it off Comixology." I do the same thing with movies these days. "Is it on Netflix? Well shit, guess I'm renting/buying on Google Play then."

I doubt DCU will have any current ongoings, which means I'm not dropping any of my current pulls.

Like if this had been a thing when The Dark Knight Rises came out and I wanted to read the full Knightfall/Knightquest/Knightsend saga, I wouldn't blow $40 or whatever on all the digital trades or the omnibus like I did in 2012 -- I'd just hit up DCU.

Apparently Wolfman and Perez's full Teen Titans run will be there day one and I've always wanted to go through most or all of it in one go. Same for Chuck Dixon's 90's Robin series. I've probably read dozens of issues but never really in any kind of order or continuity. The comics side of DCU will be pretty good for that I feel.

And who knows, if the whole thing bombs, they might just copy Marvel Unlimited anyways.

My hope is that they have a Comixology link (...like Marvel Unlimited...) so you can read your purchased comics in whichever reader/app/service you prefer. I kinda dig the idea DCU's pushing of reading comics on a TV. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 07, 2018, 01:46:21 AM
Adventures of the Super Sons #2

This was a really fun throwback. :lol

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/JVGyNUH.png)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 07, 2018, 01:53:03 AM
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DmeCR4gXoAMbdeF.jpg:large)
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(https://media.tenor.com/images/2e7988d478f9c02dcee4bc173d06a9d5/tenor.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 07, 2018, 02:31:45 AM
that Lena storyline was actually pretty cool ultimately, surrounded by a pile of change for change sake THINGS NEED TO BE DARK AFTER 9/11 shit going on in the Supes books at the time iirc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2018, 07:37:10 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnAtVzwX4AAtCWD.jpg:large)

DC Universe is live and I'm in, AMA.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 13, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
What’s the comic selection look like? The whole thing is sort of weird.

Without all of the comics back to the beginning of time, I just don’t see the value. I feel like there’s not enough shows to make it otherwise worthwhile.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on September 13, 2018, 09:36:47 PM
Is that Teen Titans show on it yet? How bad is it?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2018, 10:01:54 PM
What’s the comic selection look like? The whole thing is sort of weird.

Without all of the comics back to the beginning of time, I just don’t see the value. I feel like there’s not enough shows to make it otherwise worthwhile.

Comic selection is the weakest of the media types. Most DC comics series have at least issue #1 for that series available, but only about 1/5 of the series I've seen offer the complete set. Like I said before, there's no Robin (1993), but there is Red Robin (2009) and New Teen Titans (1984) (though oddly not New Teen Titans (1980).) It's not full enough to be reliable.

I have to imagine it'll get better, though.

Is that Teen Titans show on it yet?

The original Teen Titans is available, but not Teen Titans Go.

How bad is it?

The show? It's fine.

The service? It could be better. This really is only for the hardest of hardcores right now, and doesn't offer a ton you can't get elsewhere yet. As the original shows fill out and they add more and more to the comic selection it may eventually approach a point a more casual DC fan wouldn't mind signing up.

The app is really slick, but the website feels a bit staid. Loading and page transitions are a bit janky, and you can't update your profile or background pic on the web (just in the app.) Still, very serviceable. The app supports Chromecast too (though not for comics yet, despite that being touted as a selling point), which I guess I should expect standard with these service launches but everyone else has always treated it as a "nice to have" so I'm glad it's here day one.

In an ideal world where you paid $8 and got on-demand access to everything ever put under the "DC" label -- including all their comics, all their live action WB movies, all the cartoons and animated movies, all the CW shows, and all the other less-known content. Maybe eventually DC Universe will grow and we'll live in that world. I'm hoping, anyways.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2018, 04:29:57 AM
Actually, I'm kinda interested to know what the Vertigo lineup might look like. Or anything similar to it that either didn't get into Vertigo until later (Shade The Changing Man, Swamp Thing) or was close enough (Hitman, Starman) that it maybe should have been considered such.

Or like, Grant Morrison's Animal Man run or crap.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2018, 04:43:39 AM
- Shade the Changing Man: No, but they do have a DC Nation short based on it.
- Swamp Thing: 15 issues from The Saga of the Swamp Thing (1982) are available, along with #1 from Swamp Thing (2011.)
- Hitman: 28 issues from the 1996-2001 run are available.
- Starman: 36 issues of the 1994 run are available.
- Animal Man: The only run available is the 2011 New 52 one, which offers 12 issues (#0-11.)

Soooo... a C+ maybe?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2018, 05:12:13 AM
Wow, I'm surprised Hitman is on there, I thought that was like DC's ultimate shame. Especially since it spun out of that BLOODLINES event. Actually Shade is probably their real ultimate shame since they've never collected more than the first 20 issues (out of 70) EVER. And the book ended in like 1995 or something. And even though Young Animal has a sequel series for it.

The Swamp Thing one is funny because that's almost right where it ends as a regular hero book and Alan Moore takes it over.

Peep that Starman if you haven't. Great book. I've long since forgotten which very few DC things I usually promote that you haven't touched are.

I wonder if author considerations play into any of this...like Moore's Swamp Thing has long had a DC sanction on how often it gets republished compared to other stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2018, 05:15:48 AM
Oh, one other thing I'd wonder, and this relates to someone elses post that I should go find and quote, if they're going to do things like put up the entire No Man's Land story.

The collected TPB's left out parts of the story back when they were done. The same thing happened to Knightfall/Knightsend though the later versions corrected it. I don't know if newer NML collections ever were done or completed.

Actually what I should be asking is do they have like a storyline thing for crossovers. Like you can click on and get say the Knightfall story even though it runs across multiple books or Final Crisis or Infinite Crisis or whatever. Maybe you answered that...I'll look when I look for the NML post.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2018, 05:50:55 AM
I have never read No Mans Land, that’s the Batman story line from the late 90s, right? Is it worth going back to?
Yeah, I think it stands up and is in many ways what every Batman EVENT will ever be chasing and trying to match in scope. It's 80 fucking parts across like 15 different books. The first trades left out half of the issues.

There's sorta a thematic MAXI-ARC that begins in "Cataclysm"/"No Man's Land" then continues into "Officer Down" before finishing in "War Games"/"War Crimes" that spun out Gotham Central and was treated as this look at Gotham as an entity itself, and Batman as a piece of that and an unique piece who can be both savior and terror, and also the places for Jim Gordon and the GCPD who operate in a world where Batman and his team does so much of their jobs and can bend or ignore laws they can't. Catwoman's second series also begins to follow this path and is where the "conclusion" of the arc truly is. And unlike Snyder's similar attempt at this, it basically does little with Bruce Wayne, it does things with Bruce but mainly in his place as Batman, and control issues within the team and the city and not Bruce as a Wayne or whatever else. Like his main theme for the arc is Bruce's obsessive need to control events in Gotham, No Man's Land takes this away from him, and after "Officer Down" he tries to force a rebuild on it that culminates in "War Games."

This was sorta stuff (Bruce's obsessive need to control) Snyder explored especially in METAL of all things, but in this arc it's grounded in the real world. There's very very little superheroics of that kind of scope. The famous visit in No Man's Land has Superman come into the city to help and find that he doesn't understand Gotham on a level that allows him to use his powers for anything good, he's more effective as Clark Kent, the farmer in helping fix up a community garden.

NML is my favorite single storyline probably, but that huge arc formed from the multiple storylines and also spun-off into the two series of Gotham Central and Catwoman is overall my favorite take and "definitive" set of Batman/Gotham stories. The characters are fallible and have to deal with that for the most part. Especially in their relationships with others. Like Bruce and Jim. There's a moment where they argue and Jim snaps at Bruce for sending first Azrael and then Dick in as Batman (after Knightfall) while trying to play it off like they were the same person all along. And Bruce's recent pattern of generally not trusting Jim of all people. Gotham Central obviously explores Gotham from the view of the GCPD detectives and their views on Batman are all over the place. Catwoman uses its unique position of her "outside the law" in a way Bruce isn't to explore the consequences of that on other people in a way they can't with Bruce's side-characters since they can't just kill off Dick, Barbara, etc. or have them murder someone or whatever. They're tied together by existing in the same temporal place and events spinning off into them. The events of NML, lead to the rise of Black Mask in the vacuum and he never really gets brought down in the other books, it's Catwoman that winds up being the denouement for that plot as a result of the strands of plots that were in that book leading to that point.

So...yeah...check it out. No Man's Land that is, the rest is just some silly benji wank.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2018, 10:33:37 AM
Actually Saga of the Swamp Thing covers #21-34 and #37, which I take as Moore's run.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2018, 12:41:54 PM
Maybe this service is useful. I just got a hankering to look up Beast Boy's first appearance (The Doom Patrol (1964) #99), and the entire stretch of comics around it is available (#96-108.)

DCU is actually useful maybe :o
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 14, 2018, 01:22:32 PM
I have never read No Mans Land, that’s the Batman story line from the late 90s, right? Is it worth going back to?
Yeah, I think it stands up and is in many ways what every Batman EVENT will ever be chasing and trying to match in scope. It's 80 fucking parts across like 15 different books. The first trades left out half of the issues.

There's sorta a thematic MAXI-ARC that begins in "Cataclysm"/"No Man's Land" then continues into "Officer Down" before finishing in "War Games"/"War Crimes" that spun out Gotham Central and was treated as this look at Gotham as an entity itself, and Batman as a piece of that and an unique piece who can be both savior and terror, and also the places for Jim Gordon and the GCPD who operate in a world where Batman and his team does so much of their jobs and can bend or ignore laws they can't. Catwoman's second series also begins to follow this path and is where the "conclusion" of the arc truly is. And unlike Snyder's similar attempt at this, it basically does little with Bruce Wayne, it does things with Bruce but mainly in his place as Batman, and control issues within the team and the city and not Bruce as a Wayne or whatever else. Like his main theme for the arc is Bruce's obsessive need to control events in Gotham, No Man's Land takes this away from him, and after "Officer Down" he tries to force a rebuild on it that culminates in "War Games."

This was sorta stuff (Bruce's obsessive need to control) Snyder explored especially in METAL of all things, but in this arc it's grounded in the real world. There's very very little superheroics of that kind of scope. The famous visit in No Man's Land has Superman come into the city to help and find that he doesn't understand Gotham on a level that allows him to use his powers for anything good, he's more effective as Clark Kent, the farmer in helping fix up a community garden.

NML is my favorite single storyline probably, but that huge arc formed from the multiple storylines and also spun-off into the two series of Gotham Central and Catwoman is overall my favorite take and "definitive" set of Batman/Gotham stories. The characters are fallible and have to deal with that for the most part. Especially in their relationships with others. Like Bruce and Jim. There's a moment where they argue and Jim snaps at Bruce for sending first Azrael and then Dick in as Batman (after Knightfall) while trying to play it off like they were the same person all along. And Bruce's recent pattern of generally not trusting Jim of all people. Gotham Central obviously explores Gotham from the view of the GCPD detectives and their views on Batman are all over the place. Catwoman uses its unique position of her "outside the law" in a way Bruce isn't to explore the consequences of that on other people in a way they can't with Bruce's side-characters since they can't just kill off Dick, Barbara, etc. or have them murder someone or whatever. They're tied together by existing in the same temporal place and events spinning off into them. The events of NML, lead to the rise of Black Mask in the vacuum and he never really gets brought down in the other books, it's Catwoman that winds up being the denouement for that plot as a result of the strands of plots that were in that book leading to that point.

So...yeah...check it out. No Man's Land that is, the rest is just some silly benji wank.

Will check this out.  Been meaning to for a while!

Gotham season five is going to be a version of this story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2018, 02:06:00 PM
NML is ace but I always felt like I only ever got 20% of the picture. Is there a good maxi/omni for it?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 14, 2018, 08:04:22 PM
One thing marvel got right with unlimited is that it had a lot of shit really quickly.

The quality was terrible. The app was total shit, but it had a whole lot of comics really fast. The service is a lot better now, but I liked it right away because I could catch up on years of shit I missed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2018, 10:44:09 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/S8FeFWp.png)

DCU "Batman Day" updates.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 16, 2018, 04:43:58 PM
The Batman who Laughs is back?  :rejoice  :aah :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 16, 2018, 07:23:56 PM
I’m kind of surprised they brought him back so quick.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 16, 2018, 07:33:38 PM
Yeah, so glad to see DC is being consistent with the character and is running the dude into the ground just like the Joker.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 16, 2018, 07:44:14 PM
Yeah, so glad to see DC is being consistent with the character and is running the dude into the ground just like the Joker.

Well he is a version of Joker  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 16, 2018, 07:51:14 PM
Yeah, so glad to see DC is being consistent with the character and is running the dude into the ground just like the Joker.

Well he is a version of Joker  :doge

Lol that's what I meant haha. Couldn't word it right.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2018, 06:25:08 AM
NML is ace but I always felt like I only ever got 20% of the picture. Is there a good maxi/omni for it?
I think this FINALLY collects all 80 parts: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01IBY05D8/ (comixology link, but you can click through to the TPB's)

For years I used to really advocate just torrenting it because DC refused to publish half of the story, and there was a torrent out there where a guy painstakingly collected and put all the issues in story order, including the tie-ins. (Their publishing order was not the story order, as was once common in the industry.) And this was before comic torrents really took off and you easily could find stuff like every Spider-Man comic ever in one torrent.

It'd be one thing if like DC had collected almost all of it like they did with KnightFall/KnightsEnd, where they left out I think two or three issues, which only really mattered because one of them was part of a three part story and it was the second part. But DC just ignored half of it, which for a story that was built around touching on all the Gotham characters and thus all the Gotham books including introducing Cassandra/Renee Montanya/much of the recurring GCPD cast/etc. and restoring Barbara's confidence and establishment as Oracle beyond just the Birds of Prey, addressing unspoken fallout with characters like Huntress, Azrael, Tim, Dick, etc. from KnightFall, it drastically narrows the scope to merely Batman retaking the city.

I think the sprawl of NML and ultimately the way things established in it continued to dominate the Gotham based books for years and led to concepts like Gotham Central and stuff make it an epic that built a bridge for the Batman books out of the 1990's endless EVENT THAT DOES NOT MATTER into what ultimately let Morrison and then Snyder create their extended multi-year maxi-arcs.

Probably the only real thing DC's attempted with a similar scope or scale, where they straight up replaced an entire set of books to tell a single story for a whole year, was New Krypton.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 17, 2018, 03:01:46 PM
Thanks benji~

DC Black Label launches this week with Batman: Damned #1. Got it subbed and I'm looking forward to it quite a bit. Only three issues though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 17, 2018, 10:37:49 PM
By the way, all of those no mans land books are like $36 total right now for Batman day... which seems like a good deal so I bought them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 17, 2018, 10:44:59 PM
Watched the first two DC Dailys. Equal parts entertaining and cringe. Will probably only watch when a good guest star pops up. It reminded me that DC Black Label is launching Wednesday with Batman: Damned, and I just subbed to it (…on Comixology…)

The web experience is pretty terrible, which is a shame as it’s my preferred access method. The comic reader bugs out every couple pages, and changing settings when reading a comic is painful. The video player consistently chooses a worse quality than the app, and doesn’t support Chromecast to boot (though the app does.) In general the app is just much more polished which is great, I just wish the website was as good.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 17, 2018, 10:45:33 PM
BTW just bought all those NML books from benji's link on Comixology and diving in now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2018, 12:44:01 AM
shots fired at tasty's racism: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qva887/superman-shouldnt-be-white
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on September 18, 2018, 01:45:11 AM
@Tasty, I want our resident Robin stan's thoughts on Batman #54
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2018, 08:49:09 AM
Also took advantage of Batman day to catch up on Detective comics and Batman trades :-)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 18, 2018, 08:53:48 AM
shots fired at tasty's racism: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qva887/superman-shouldnt-be-white

OK...Superman shouldn't be black, either- he's an alien.  He should be green or blue or some shit.  :doge

DC already did a black Superman anyway.
(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2015/06/earth.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on September 18, 2018, 09:24:56 AM
Superman should be whatever he needs to be to be the Clark Kent we know, you write in racism from growing up in bum fuck iowa and he's a different thing, just make new superheroes if you want to tell new stories friends.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2018, 11:52:55 AM
I'd highly prefer them to keep to canon in the comics, but don't really care whatever they do in new movies if it works out :trumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 18, 2018, 11:58:15 AM
@Tasty, I want our resident Robin stan's thoughts on Batman #54

Will read later. For the record, while Dick is awesome (:teehee) Timmy is the reason I love the Robin character. I've always preferred Dick as Nightwing (and Batman.)

Damian's been a good Robin too, just way different to what came before. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 18, 2018, 12:02:05 PM
shots fired at tasty's racism: https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/qva887/superman-shouldnt-be-white

OK...Superman shouldn't be black, either- he's an alien.  He should be green or blue or some shit.  :doge

DC already did a black Superman anyway.
(https://cdn1.thr.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/scale_crop_768_433/2015/06/earth.jpg)

There's been infinite Supermen anyways, depending on the state of the multiverse.

(https://i.imgur.com/ilbVQw6.gif)

FWIW I do believe there are black Kryptonians, but yeah, Superman/Clark Kent as we know him in-canon has always been white and should always be white (and that goes for any character of any race.) Other realities or mediums like movies? I'm like benji: I don't care. :trumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2018, 12:11:14 PM
I like the idea of a literal alien from a different species being super racist.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 18, 2018, 01:12:26 PM
(https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Oct_18_DC_Previews_6_final-1_5b9fd72c017a86.90048008-1.jpg)

:beli



(https://i.imgur.com/SYIMlkk.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/xOAaIFQ.png)

:brazilcry

(https://i.imgur.com/DY4jIXA.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on September 18, 2018, 02:14:16 PM
@Tasty, I want our resident Robin stan's thoughts on Batman #54

Will read later. For the record, while Dick is awesome (:teehee) Timmy is the reason I love the Robin character. I've always preferred Dick as Nightwing (and Batman.)

Damian's been a good Robin too, just way different to what came before. :lol
The entire chapter is just Dick, Bruce and Alfred, I think you're going to like it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on September 19, 2018, 07:56:12 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DnAtVzwX4AAtCWD.jpg:large)

DC Universe is live and I'm in, AMA.

https://i.imgur.com/zfvHjjf.mp4
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 19, 2018, 09:31:03 AM
Will say it again- Bendis should be given Earth 2 or a similar type of alternate universe book to work on.  He would do well with that- Ultimate Spider-Man was great.  Fucking leave the mainstream superheroes alone, man.  LEAVE THEM ALONE.
:kinison
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 19, 2018, 11:05:39 AM
Today is the canonical conclusion of Buffy Summers' storyline (Buffy the Vampire Slayer Season 12: The Reckoning #4) and I'm not sure if I'm ready to feel that in real-time (since I just nearly missed the original show's finale.)

(https://i.imgur.com/QxcfzCH.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 19, 2018, 12:52:40 PM
Thanks benji~

DC Black Label launches this week with Batman: Damned #1. Got it subbed and I'm looking forward to it quite a bit.

Hmm, I wonder why... :thinking

www.dorkly.com/post/87165/batmans-actual-dick-made-its-first-appearance-in-a-comic-this-week

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 19, 2018, 12:59:45 PM
But Batman's actual Dick is Robin. :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 19, 2018, 04:21:46 PM
Been reading old Spider-Man comics. Think MJ is about to be introduced. Going through this old stuff reminded me of the awful looking cg Spider-Man show.

You guys know if that show's any good? Might be fun to go through.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 19, 2018, 05:02:13 PM
They have that Black Superman in Multiversity and he seemed fine so its something they can explore outside of the comic space :yeshrug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 19, 2018, 05:07:53 PM
Thanks benji~

DC Black Label launches this week with Batman: Damned #1. Got it subbed and I'm looking forward to it quite a bit.

Hmm, I wonder why... :thinking

www.dorkly.com/post/87165/batmans-actual-dick-made-its-first-appearance-in-a-comic-this-week

When I first saw that picture, I thought the shadow on his leg was his dork and wondered why the shape was so weird.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 19, 2018, 07:24:20 PM
Spectacular is GOAT
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 19, 2018, 09:23:35 PM
Return Of Wolverine #1:

Pretty quick read.

-Completely ignores everything Wolverine-related leading up to this book.   :lol ::)  Wolverine running around undetected and popping up with an Infinite Stone (that he gave to Black Widow a Black Widow clone- guess I missed that somewhere) for like a year now?  LOLDUNNOWHOCARES I guess. 

spoiler (click to show/hide)
-Wolverine has no idea who he is.  Again.  He sees images of himself in pools of blood or water and talks to himself, remembering some stuff.

-This one's all about the new bad guy group Soteira.  They're big on cloning (so that makes me wonder...is this really Wolverine?  Maybe that's how it ends up tying into the previous stuff?)  One of the soldiers that Wolverine shoots appears to be a clone of Omega Red, for instance.

-Not much really happens here.  Wolverine wakes up in a lab where just about everyone is dead, leaves, kills some Soteira guys, and talks to a woman who gives him his new costume and then he decides to go after Soteira.  The end.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: HardcoreRetro on September 20, 2018, 05:25:19 AM
I love the '94 Spidey but it goes through plotlines a mile a minute and you'd have to be into that sort of thing. I can still watch it and enjoy it, but I'm hesitant on recommending it.

Got that show on dvd. It's one of my favourite shows.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2018, 11:29:32 AM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/20/dc-alters-batman-art-to-remove-imagery-of-his-penis

It was just a big publicity stunt for first editions.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 20, 2018, 11:53:45 AM
Also the Buffy license is going to BOOM! which does a whoooooole bunch of licensed garbage. So my proclamation of the series' canonical death still holds true.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 20, 2018, 04:48:29 PM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/20/dc-alters-batman-art-to-remove-imagery-of-his-penis

It was just a big publicity stunt for first editions.

Batman’s Dick R.I.P.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
His penis got Omega Sanctioned.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 20, 2018, 07:20:43 PM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/20/dc-alters-batman-art-to-remove-imagery-of-his-penis

It was just a big publicity stunt for first editions.

"And here we come to the crowning jewel of my vast library.  The rare first edition Batman print with his visible...Dick, if you will."
\
:snob
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 24, 2018, 02:20:37 PM
https://www.cbr.com/return-of-wolverine-prequel-possibility/

Interesting take on the story that theorizes Wolverine is still dead in this story and that it's a prequel to him actually coming back to life in last year's Marvel Legacy.  Sure, I could see that.

OK, but then-
Quote
But that’s not all. In the issue, Wolverine also briefly fights with a masked character who we learn is actually Omega Red. If you’ve been keeping up with the villain’s history, then you know that, last time he was seen, he actually died as well. Therefore, it stands to reason that he, too, would be in Hell.

Wait...what?  Omega Red last popped up in Weapon X and is now on the team.  I thought these guys were supposed to know this kind of shit?  ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 24, 2018, 05:05:22 PM
CBR.com is absolute trash.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 24, 2018, 05:38:56 PM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2018/09/20/dc-alters-batman-art-to-remove-imagery-of-his-penis

It was just a big publicity stunt for first editions.

Batman’s Dick R.I.P.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
His penis got Omega Sanctioned.
[close]

spoiler (click to show/hide)
So you're saying its lost in the time stream and is about to change history?
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 24, 2018, 10:35:40 PM
(https://78.media.tumblr.com/10cfde38947239c81469f03cb7bd8ba0/tumblr_p9d278MdlW1wkwgkxo1_1280.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 25, 2018, 10:54:15 PM
Savage Dragon #238:

Holy shit, this was actually kind of a normal issue!  :o  Angel's not dead, there's a story about Dragon's blood having amazing healing abilities, and Maxine actually goes to therapy for her sex addiction.

Was wondering if Erik got over trying to make every issue fucked up, but then there's a back-up story he wrote about Kill-Cat and his sidekick.  At one point, the sidekick gets beaten up by some Red Skull lookalikes and one of them pulls up her skirt with the intention of pissing all over him.  Kill-Cat busts in and knocks her away, complete with golden stream flying.  Phew, was getting worried for a minute there.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 25, 2018, 11:01:06 PM
Oops.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 27, 2018, 12:01:12 AM
Heroes in Crisis spoilers

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RIP black AND white Wally, Arsenal, and... some chars no one cared about.

Also:

(https://i.imgur.com/ZYZwxzjl.jpg)

Lulz they're Parallax'ing Booster Gold.

Guaranteed a future writer retcons this shit in a hot second.

Trash.
[close]

Heard a rumor this is DiDio trying to get back at Johns or something.

Can DiDio just quit already
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 27, 2018, 08:19:49 AM
I don't get killing off
spoiler (click to show/hide)
O.G. Wally West after they brought him back into the current universe so recently.  One site said this was also right after some big storyline thing in the Flash comics where he's supposed to have gone off to find his family or something, too?  :dizzy
[close]

DC is getting as bad as Marvel is with some of these big event books' release dates, too.  Can't believe that Doomsday Clock still hasn't finished.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 27, 2018, 08:30:13 AM
Amazing Spider Man #6: This has been a pretty enjoyable run from the new creative team so far.  :)  #5 wrapped up the first storyline where responsible, depowered (and also dumber when it comes to science stuff) Peter finally re-combined with irresponsible Spider-Man while setting up for things to come.  #6 finally addresses Peter's new roommate who is actually the super-villain Boomerang.  Rather than go with a cliche story where neither knows who the other is, Boomerang's identity is out there and he doesn't care because he was pardoned for previous crimes after helping the resistance in the Secret Empire storyline.  There's not much "super-heroing" going on in this issue and instead we get a look at Boomerang being a douchey roommate and taking Peter to a secret super-villain bar, where he ends up taking part in a Spider-Man trivia contest.  :lol  Fun read!

Extermination #3: This is another one of those BIG EVENT books where stuff is happening...and yet somehow it doesn't feel like anything is progressing past what was set up in the first issue.  Still no explanation of why a younger Cable popped up and killed his older self, still no explanation of why younger Cable is kidnapping the time-displaced O5 X-Men and putting them into stasis pods, and still no real explanation of why Ahab showed up to go after the O5 himself.   Maybe this is just being done to get rid of the O5 and re-introduce Cable before they reboot all the X books for the 40th time in the past few years.  There's solicitations for another X-Force book starting up with the younger Cable all over the cover art, so guess they're in this for the long haul. 

I think Amazing Spider-Man has turned out so well because they pretty much went back to basics with the character and the stories haven't been so complex and are just fun.  X-Men needs to be the same way and I hope the upcoming Uncanny reboot does that after the next BIG EVENT storyline happens with the start of that book.  Enough with this shit already.  I've barely checked out the current BIG EVENT INFINITE-THING story going on too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 27, 2018, 02:42:18 PM
Doomsday Clock #9 (variant) by Gary Frank

https://i.imgur.com/pj4gCru.jpg

Yoooo


YOOOOOOO
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 29, 2018, 10:59:07 PM
Doomsday Clock 7

Glad to see Adrian is still a shitheel :beli


Doomsday Clock #9 (variant) by Gary Frank

https://i.imgur.com/pj4gCru.jpg

Yoooo


YOOOOOOO

 :whew  :noah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 02, 2018, 06:26:53 AM
Doomsday Clock #9 (variant) by Gary Frank

https://i.imgur.com/pj4gCru.jpg

Yoooo


YOOOOOOO
wow stealing from Disney's Marvel's Avengers: Infinity War already
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on October 04, 2018, 05:46:54 AM
Batman 54, 55, 56  :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 25, 2018, 07:55:35 AM
There's a new Nightwing who's a cop?  Why is DC doing with Nightwing what they already did with Batman a few years ago?   ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 25, 2018, 08:36:56 AM
Dick Grayson/Nightwing was a cop for a while when he was in Bludhaven.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on October 25, 2018, 08:46:21 AM
I’ve been reading the red goblin storyline and I like that the stakes are high but have complaints:
1) the red goblin design is just dumb looking. He has those old man eyebrows.
2) the red goblin has all of these extra powers that just don’t seem to make any damn sense with the established powers of either carnage or the green goblin. Like the goblin bombs that can chase people and talk? Originally, the pieces of carnage that he detached disintegrated after like 30 seconds and were not sentient. Though I guess maybe that American carnage story kind of added new powers from nowhere on top of just being a bad miniseries.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 25, 2018, 09:09:10 AM
Dick Grayson/Nightwing was a cop for a while when he was in Bludhaven.

This is a different character who found Nightwing's stuff and is wearing his costume and his using his tech or whatever, plus uses a gun.  And apparently Dick, now calling himself Ric (lol), has some kind of amnesia or something and is not being a superhero.  Kind of similar to how they had Gordon be Batman for a little while even after Bruce Wayne was revealed as alive and had...amnesia. :doge

I’ve been reading the red goblin storyline and I like that the stakes are high but have complaints:
1) the red goblin design is just dumb looking. He has those old man eyebrows.
2) the red goblin has all of these extra powers that just don’t seem to make any damn sense with the established powers of either carnage or the green goblin. Like the goblin bombs that can chase people and talk? Originally, the pieces of carnage that he detached disintegrated after like 30 seconds and were not sentient. Though I guess maybe that American carnage story kind of added new powers from nowhere on top of just being a bad miniseries.

It really doesn't even matter.  The story is over quick and then it's like forget all about it; time for a new creative team!  I liked most of the Dan Slott Spidey stories I read, but the new Amazing Spider-Man team has done an excellent job of taking Spider-Man and co. back to the basics and the stories have been really fun to read. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 31, 2018, 12:59:47 PM
X-Men Extermination #4 has a big spoiler ahead of its release today.

ONE OF THE ORIGINAL X-MEN HAS BEEN KILLED OFF

WHO COULD IT BE

WHY, IT'S

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Cyclops

Because killing off the adult version wasn't enough!  Let's kill him off a second time!
[close]
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on October 31, 2018, 01:43:18 PM
Seems like a dumb way to have to now find a way to bring one of them back.

After journeying into heaven to rescue nightcrawler, the bar on bringing X-men back is so low to barely even matter.

They could just have an issue where he steps off of the blackbird and everyone says “I thought you were dead!” And they srespond “I got better!”.

Looking forward to post-slot Spider-Man, but need to wait for unlimited to catch up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 31, 2018, 08:27:20 PM
Seems like a dumb way to have to now find a way to bring one of them back.

You just know this is somehow going to end with adult Cyclops being back, too.

After journeying into heaven to rescue nightcrawler, the bar on bringing X-men back is so low to barely even matter.

They could just have an issue where he steps off of the blackbird and everyone says “I thought you were dead!” And they srespond “I got better!”.

Did you write that or did Chris Clarement?  :doge :lol

Looking forward to post-slot Spider-Man, but need to wait for unlimited to catch up.

Good stuff!  Another Spider-Verse event is going on right now too.  The #0 issue focuses on Spider-Man...from the PS4 game!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on October 31, 2018, 10:26:46 PM
I suspect that adult cyclops will be what returns. They are probably eventually going to get rid of most of the original 5 X-men, imo. It was a dumb idea that actually lasted far longer than it ever should have.

I could see one sticking around though, like kid jean grey or mystical beast or something.

Having the video game spider-man tie into the comic that way is a good idea.

Should have also tied into the new animated movie (and maybe MCU spider-man). I really really hate the animation in this movie by the way.

I’m glad to hear post-Slott is actually good. Marvel has pretty shitty writers on average these days and there were high odds that there’s a rotating cast of mediocre creative teams like, well, most other marve books.

I think comics in general benefit from longer running creative teams, especially writers, because they can tee things up that develop over time. I don’t like everything Slott did, and will always have a soft spot for mullet Peter from the 90s, but overall I thought his spider-man stories were more good than bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 01, 2018, 12:53:44 AM
They are definitely getting rid of the time displaced O5 X-Men-- that's what Extermination is all about!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on November 01, 2018, 11:52:57 AM
They are definitely getting rid of the time displaced O5 X-Men-- that's what Extermination is all about!

So Jean is gonna die for like the millionth and one time  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 01, 2018, 12:12:16 PM
They are definitely getting rid of the time displaced O5 X-Men-- that's what Extermination is all about!

So Jean is gonna die for like the millionth and one time  :doge

She already did right before adult Jean came back.   :lol  She got resurrected again shortly after and then "died" again during a Venom crossover where evil alien/symbiote things called Poisons took her over, but of course she came back in the end.  Don't expect them to kill her off again but who knows.  I'm just ready for them to move on from these characters since having two sets of them is pointless now.  Ditto for Old Man Logan but they're headed to the end with him already.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 01, 2018, 03:53:17 PM
I feel like old man Logan is sort of interesting in his solo book.

It was one of the few secret wars aftermath things that was well-handled, imo, at least

Where officially is reed richards and Susan Richards in present day marvel?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 01, 2018, 04:05:43 PM
I feel like old man Logan is sort of interesting in his solo book.

It was one of the few secret wars aftermath things that was well-handled, imo, at least

Yeah, it was...but it's over.  #50 was the last issue.  Next up is the Dead Man Logan mini-series and that's it for the character (until they decide to bring him back again  :doge)

Where officially is reed richards and Susan Richards in present day marvel?

The Fantastic Four are back and their new series is written by Dan Slott.  Haven't read it yet and haven't really seen anyone talk about it.  It's like they're just...there.  The Marvel Two-In-One series that starred The Thing and The Human Torch as they searched for Reed and Co. is apparently one just about to catch up to where the FF are.  In the Marvel books I keep up with, there haven't been any mentions of the FF yet.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 01, 2018, 04:52:59 PM
Oh I didn’t realize that 2 in 1 book was a search for reed and Susan thing. Might go back and read it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 01, 2018, 10:23:20 PM
The Marvel story-related explanation of where the other half of the FF was is something like Reed saying "we wanted to explore the multiverse without being superheroes" or some dumb shit. 
:confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2018, 12:25:48 AM
I don’t think that’s a bad explanation considering the things Reed was doing in Hickman’s Avengers.

And honestly in Secret Wars he had beaten Doom in a really as conclusive as comics can get way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 02, 2018, 09:36:24 AM
Probably a minority opinion... but I think Hickman’s run in avengers was really overrated.

It was confusing and hard to follow. In my opinion a lot of lore and characters were never really explained or fleshed out.

I actually think No Surrender was better than Infinity.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 02, 2018, 10:56:39 AM
I don’t think that’s a bad explanation considering the things Reed was doing in Hickman’s Avengers.

And honestly in Secret Wars he had beaten Doom in a really as conclusive as comics can get way.

This is after all that. 

Turns out it's just CBR being fucking stupid and posting an article based on a preview.

Here's their first explanation:
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Frustrated with Ben's lack of focus, Reed explains that he and Sue were "done with being... super heroes," stating that the Fantastic Four "was supposed to be about being explorers, but it ended up being about putting out fires." Reed continues on to say that he and Sue wanted to show their children the multiverse and study the science behind it. Ben gets upset when Reed explains that he chose not to include him because of his disinclination towards the types of science Reed wished to pursue.
(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Marvel-2-in-one-11-4.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)

But then they posted that the issue also has Reed admitting that they wanted everyone to think that they were dead and he says:

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:confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: parallax on November 02, 2018, 02:44:46 PM
I don’t think that’s a bad explanation considering the things Reed was doing in Hickman’s Avengers.

And honestly in Secret Wars he had beaten Doom in a really as conclusive as comics can get way.

This is after all that. 

Turns out it's just CBR being fucking stupid and posting an article based on a preview.

Here's their first explanation:
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Frustrated with Ben's lack of focus, Reed explains that he and Sue were "done with being... super heroes," stating that the Fantastic Four "was supposed to be about being explorers, but it ended up being about putting out fires." Reed continues on to say that he and Sue wanted to show their children the multiverse and study the science behind it. Ben gets upset when Reed explains that he chose not to include him because of his disinclination towards the types of science Reed wished to pursue.
(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Marvel-2-in-one-11-4.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)

But then they posted that the issue also has Reed admitting that they wanted everyone to think that they were dead and he says:

(https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Marvel-2-in-One-Reed-and-Ben-Fantastic-Four-breakup.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)

:confused
reed just slip slides down the pole to let ben down. these are terrible fucking excuses and considering the shit they went through in the multiverse, on top of his damn kids missing them, johnny and ben could have been useful. i mean you think more of victor than you do your actual family?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 02, 2018, 02:54:08 PM
Let's also not forget that Doom did in fact become a good guy and his reasons had nothing to do with Reed- He was taking over for Iron Man.  And who went after him and fucked shit up?  The Thing.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on November 02, 2018, 05:12:48 PM
I can understand not being into Hickman’s Avengers. It could be hard to follow, was very plot focused, little character development, and would introduce stuff like the White Event that really didn’t ammount to much.

But I loved that it was so weird and epic feeling. It had a lot of awesome moments.

Thor and Hyperion’s bro stuff. Which leads to an awesome moment where Thor tries to use the unworthy hammer in a suicide mission.

The evil Kirby Avengers.

The whole strange status quo of No time Left which drops so much stuff like X Island that will never be explained.

The whole Justice League stand in vs the Illuminati issues.

Cannonball and Smasher.

The character work with Namor and Black Panther.

Namor in general.

Black Swan.

Captain America’s fucking bizzare travel through time.

And so on. So many things I loved about this run. It’s honestly one of my favortie comic book runs. And I really don’t like the Avengers that much.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 02, 2018, 06:56:34 PM
I agree that there were a lot of cool moments, I just was constantly confused, and am still somewhat confused even now after reading wikis and summaries.

Every week I’d open the newest issue of Avengers or New Avengers and go “wait, did I miss an issue?”

I think the overarching story was there, but it needed either more time to breather or an old-fashioned style of comic storytelling that had a lot more exposition.

I kind of like how comics told stories in the 80s and 90s, where the dialogue was less natural, but explained more or had thought bubbles or blocks of text that explained exactly what was going on.

I think it is a lot more difficult to tell complex stories nowadays because comic style has gotten more sparse with the lettering.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 14, 2018, 09:05:50 PM
Black Hammer is pretty darn good :leon
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 15, 2018, 08:47:31 AM
Two big Marvel releases this week:

Uncanny X-Men #1 (really #620): Eh.  Sorry, Marvel...wasn't particularly impressed with this.  Did not have the impact that the hype was making it out to have and felt like just another X-Men vs. mutant-haters story that we've seen too many times, this time featuring throwaway loser-villain team The Mutant Liberation front.  :zzz

Avengers #700 (really #10 of the new series): Marvel, can you make up your mind about numbering already?  :lol  I haven't read #3-9 yet so I just skimmed through this to see two things in particular:

First, Agent Coulson is back (he was dead?  ???) and has been recruited by General Thunderbolt Ross to start up a new government-run superhero team. 
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He brings in The Squadron Supreme, who will now be known as "The Squadron Supreme Of America."  Nice DC jab there.
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We also get a "cosmic" scene with
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Loki and Wolverine (lol at him popping up here but not in Uncanny).  Wolverine seems to be channeling the Phoenix force now, which might explain the "hot claws" thing.  Thor already showed that Wolverine ultimately becomes "Old Man Phoenix" far into the future, so OK...but if this is the case...someone needs to do a hell of lot of explaining to show how Wolverine goes from where he is in the Return of Wolverine mini-series to here. 
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There's also a changed up Russian Winter Guard team featured in the issue who have some new members, including two gods (who end up fighting each other instead of the Avengers  :lol) and a masked "Red Widow" who may end up being someone familiar- unsure if this is the same character who used that name some years back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 15, 2018, 09:06:30 AM
Deadpool killed Coulson in Secret Empire or whatever the evil captain America storyline was.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 15, 2018, 09:15:59 AM
Deadpool killed Coulson in Secret Empire or whatever the evil captain America storyline was.

Ah OK, thanks- Haven't read any of the recent Deadpool series.

That reminds me, there's another previously-deceased character coming back:

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Red Skull is back again- in the body of some KGB agent.
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Can't remember if this is in an Avengers comic or Captain America.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 26, 2018, 10:14:13 PM
I don’t even remember how red skull died.

I’m guessing he came back something something psychic mutant powers from the X brain.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 27, 2018, 08:45:27 AM
I don’t even remember how red skull died.

I’m guessing he came back something something psychic mutant powers from the X brain.

Hydra-Captain America killed him right before Secret Empire started, IIRC.  And this Red Skull was a clone of himself from 1942.  Pretty sure this character has died and come back more times than anyone can remember.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 04, 2018, 01:10:44 AM
Ready to meme - Young Justice #1 variant
(https://i.imgur.com/6BC9WBT.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2018, 01:14:00 AM
Young Justice coming back fills me with a new, strange feeling... hope?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 04, 2018, 01:16:47 AM
DC still makes great shit unlike marvel so yeah, i'll keep reading. As long as Bendis stays confined.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 04, 2018, 01:26:41 AM
DC's done a bunch of straight meme rip-off variants lately though that might be the most blatant by far, as long as they don't infect the book proper, I'll allow it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 04, 2018, 01:47:21 AM
Speaking of bend is... how bad is Superman?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 04, 2018, 02:40:37 AM
Speaking of bend is... how bad is Superman?
you're going to make Tasty cry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 04, 2018, 08:58:44 AM
The difficult thing is I don't even know if it's good or not. I'm one of those fans that no longer cares about the actual quality of the work because of how he's treated my favorite characters.

I've become the worst kind of comic nerd. :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 04, 2018, 10:11:01 AM
DC still makes great shit unlike marvel

 :girlaff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 04, 2018, 10:12:50 AM
The difficult thing is I don't even know if it's good or not. I'm one of those fans that no longer cares about the actual quality of the work because of how he's treated my favorite characters.

I've become the worst kind of comic nerd. :(

That's just the Bendis-Effect™ at work.  As soon as he's done on Superman, whoever follows him will clean up all that shit and set it straight.  I know I keep saying this, but he does good when he gets his own spin-off series to play with.  He needs to stay far away from mainline characters. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 07, 2018, 12:00:08 AM
Batman Issue 60.

DIDN’T SEE THAT COMING
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 09, 2018, 10:27:46 PM
Apparently Mister Miracle is finished?

I need to get on that stat  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 09, 2018, 11:18:31 PM
Yeah I liked the ending, not sure which way I see it yet
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 11, 2018, 06:40:48 PM
Yeah I liked the ending, not sure which way I see it yet

Saw it made #1 on Whatculture's WTF comic book moments of 2018 video.

I closed the video right as he announced the comic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 11, 2018, 11:49:16 PM
lol yeah you kinda know what's up from early, the question really is what Scott does about it, in the end I feel like it's the right way to go and the audience can kind of make their own choices regarding what he did or didnt do. Dont want to get into spoilers at all it's worth taking this ride all by yourself.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 12, 2018, 02:03:51 PM
lol yeah you kinda know what's up from early, the question really is what Scott does about it, in the end I feel like it's the right way to go and the audience can kind of make their own choices regarding what he did or didnt do. Dont want to get into spoilers at all it's worth taking this ride all by yourself.

IIRC the series was already fucking with me badly in like issue 2 so i'm looking forward to seeing how it all plays out
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 12, 2018, 08:47:52 PM
The Arrowverse TV shows (well, three of them anyway) just had their yearly crossover, calling it "Elseworlds."  Starts off with Arrow and Flash switching places/powers and finally introduces Gotham City and Batwoman.  They aren't allowed to use Batman so they just wrote him out as having mysteriously vanished from the city and it being in total chaos.  Amazo pops up, and they even make it so that the 1990s Flash TV show is part of the shared universe and the same actor pops up in his old suit, lol (he's a guest star on Flash already, having played Barry's dad and also plays Earth-2 Flash Jay Garrick).  Supergirl and Superman are also here.

The big thing about this crossover is that it introduced the Monitor and an announcement that next year will have the Arrowverse version of Crisis On Infinite Earths.
:leon
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 12, 2018, 09:23:50 PM
Are these shows actually like... good?

Your description sounds interesting but I only made it like 10 minutes into the first episode of flash.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 12, 2018, 09:35:19 PM
They're guilty, cheesy pleasures that are CW shows more than anything else.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on December 12, 2018, 10:52:24 PM
The first two seasons of Arrow and the first season of Flash are genuinely pretty good. Season two onwards of Legends of Tomorrow is amazing and ridiculous
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 12, 2018, 11:26:29 PM
The first two seasons of Arrow and the first season of Flash are genuinely pretty good. Season two onwards of Legends of Tomorrow is amazing and ridiculous
They're guilty, cheesy pleasures that are CW shows more than anything else.

It's both of these.  I thought that Arrow season one was legit awesome and marathoned through it pretty quickly, which is something I don't usually do.  Flash season one is also pretty good and the way it leads into season two is a comic nerd's dream.  The seasons that follow have their ups and downs.  My biggest problem with Arrow and Flash in particular are that too many seasons' main villains are like evil versions of them.  How many evil archers did we really need?  Why is every Flash villain also a speedster?  HOLY FUCK STOP.   :lol  Legends Of Tomorrow takes a season to find its footing and the cast changes up a bit, but it gets pretty fun with them going to different time periods and related fuckery with villains who might be dead on Arrow or Flash popping up because it's the past.

Right now I'm still on the last seasons of these shows- have two more episodes of Legends, finished Flash (kind of a mixed season), and am halfway done on Arrow, which is pretty awful, but I want to watch it all anyway and get to the current season, which is apparently an improvement.

Supergirl is now part of the Arrowverse (season one was not), but takes place on an alternate earth.  I haven't really watched it apart from the crossover episodes.  They've done one a year for the past three years now.  They're pretty dumb, but it's fun to watch everyone together.

Another note about Arrow- he's basically Batman.  As in they even bring in Batman characters like Ra's Al Ghul and have a lot of storyline with his family, Lazarus pits, the league of assassins, and all that stuff.  You'll also get a ridiculous amount of back story that gets to the point where it feels like a hundred people were on the island that Ollie was shipwrecked on before he became the Green Arrow.  :lol

And finally, some cast members just don't go away and might pop up on all three core shows- some people play multiple versions of the same characters and in one season you might see like three versions of them because of flashbacks, alternate earths, or both.  It can get a little nutty but it's all part of the cheese.  Tom Cavanagh, who's on the Flash, plays a different version of his character Harrison Wells every season and it's actually pretty awesome.  You can tell he's having fun doing it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 13, 2018, 01:15:34 AM
Supergirl was pretty garbage on CBS in the first season, except for the one episode that let Calista Flockhart really ham it up (I guess she's not even on the show anymore?), but I've heard great things about it since the channel switch and the move into the Arrowverse.

The fan stuff around the Arrowverse does a lot for it, like how it totally went and made Matt Ryan canon as Constantine just because all the fans wanted it. Plus, he's like the best.

Another note about Arrow- he's basically Batman.  As in they even bring in Batman characters like Ra's Al Ghul and have a lot of storyline with his family, Lazarus pits, the league of assassins, and all that stuff.  You'll also get a ridiculous amount of back story that gets to the point where it feels like a hundred people were on the island that Ollie was shipwrecked on before he became the Green Arrow.  :lol
This actually happens to Green Arrow all the time in his book. Either one or the other. Before Ollie first died, it was lots of Batman villain imports to RAISE THE STAKES. Then especially after New 52 rebooted him back to the island it was basically like that to the point where they randomly revealed there was a whole military base and thousands of paramilitary troops hanging out on the island that Ollie just happened to never run into! Also, TURNS OUT that the Queen family OWNS THE ISLAND!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2018, 01:20:32 AM
so some time ago i posted a bunch of hilarious panels from early Fantastic Four that were all stuff like Sue going "oh, I'm a woman, let me go play with my hair" or Reed yelling at her to get away from him he has to do man things like SCIENCE!

I'm reading the marvel masterworks of early Avengers and Stan Lee's all over The Wasp in those too, Scarlet Witch doesn't really get it other than her being frail and fainting every other issue, but Wasp does for whatever reason...even while like Sue she's randomly written as an actual smart and capable hero in her own right.

in one issue she has to free Cap and Hawkeye or they'll be DISINTEGRATED BY LASER BEAMS but she can't work the control panel of three switches: "IF ONLY I UNDERSTOOD THESE THINGS... LIKE A MAN" :lol

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also, this is like three issues after she saved the day and boasted about how working as hank's assistant while they were away led her to learn enough about science crap to totally disable some otherworldly machine
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2018, 01:33:27 AM
the intro to the one book by Roy Thomas (unlike Stan Lee's useless intros) explains why black people in early Marvel are all grey, it turns out that attempts to color them "accurately" wouldn't take because browns didn't hold up well to the full printing process, so they used grey otherwise they'd turn into something more offensive by the later pages if they appeared too often (the masterworks are digitally recolored but you can tell in the actual older comics browns get an awful shit like shade by later pages which I assume is what he was talking about)

more well known is this was a similar reason why Hulk was grey early on, they had problems with printing greens...but I never knew it was the same deal with the darkies
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on January 10, 2019, 07:04:35 AM
For Tasty
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(https://i.imgur.com/I3YsodK.jpg)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2019, 08:40:00 AM
:heart

The boys are back together :uguu
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2019, 10:07:30 AM
Bendis talking sense is starting to scare me. He’s saying all the right things. Tim/Kon/Bart/(Cass) is like the holy grail of teamups for me. The 90s run of YJ was so iconic and he seems to be treating them right. Uggghghhh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 10, 2019, 02:16:26 PM
Bendis talking sense is starting to scare me. He’s saying all the right things. Tim/Kon/Bart/(Cass) is like the holy grail of teamups for me. The 90s run of YJ was so iconic and he seems to be treating them right. Uggghghhh

Stockholm syndrome  :doge

I can see him doing well with these characters actually.  That's a much better fit for his writing style than Superman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 10, 2019, 04:20:28 PM
I didn’t realize impulse still existed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on January 10, 2019, 05:01:54 PM
I didn’t realize clone Superboy still existed, especially in his original costume
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2019, 06:08:43 PM
Timkon is only like the biggest best ship ever but OK
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on January 10, 2019, 07:19:54 PM
I thought he was dead/replaced by son Superboy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2019, 07:28:25 PM
I thought he was dead/replaced by son Superboy

Kon-El (90s Superboy) was wiped out by the New 52, then brought back in rebooted New 52 form -- but unrecognizable as the character he was before so no one cared when he got wiped out (or whatever happened to him) by the time of Rebirth. So I assume this is pre-New 52 Kon. He's a clone of Superman.

Jon Kent (current Superboy, though "current" is debatable at the moment because BENDIS) is Superman's biological son from pre-New 52 carried over to the current universe during Convergence shenanigans.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 10, 2019, 09:30:00 PM
I read all the New 52 Superboy comics and completely forgot about him until your post, Tasty.  :lol

Summary below from Wikipedia.  Shit got real goofy at the end of the New 52 part, particularly him "dying" and being replaced with another evil Superboy.  It was pretty bad.

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New 52:
In September 2011, The New 52 rebooted DC's continuity. In this new timeline, Superboy is introduced with an entirely different origin story. He first appears in Teen Titans #1, where he is the half-human half-Kryptonian clone creation of the mysterious organization N.O.W.H.E.R.E., which seeks to control the new generation of metahumans.

In the Superman/Supergirl/Superboy crossover storyline "H'El on Earth", he is attacked by a time traveling Kryptonian named H'El for being a clone, after which H'El delivers his body to Supergirl and Superman for execution. As clones were generally hated by Kryptonians, H'El believes this act will prove his loyalty to Krypton, but it instead triggers conflict between him and Superman, who doesn't wish to kill Kon-El. During the fight against H'El, Superboy and Superman come to know each other better and develop a feeling of friendship and understanding. Kon-El is surprised by Superman's heroism and is touched by it.

Following the "Forever Evil" Justice League storyline, the evil speedster Johnny Quick throws the Teen Titans forward in time. After he is separated from the Titans, Kon-El encounters Jon Lane Kent, the villainous future son of Superman and Lois Lane. Kon-El is actually a clone of Jon Lane Kent, created by Harvest (founder of N.O.W.H.E.R.E.) so that a cure could be found for Jon's illness. During their battle, Jon Lane Kent is seriously injured ,but then Kon-El falls through a portal and is transported to Krypton's Argo City in the past, days prior to planet's destruction. This leads to the 2013 Return to Krypton storyline. During the story, Kon-El uses the last of his powers to lift Argo City off of the dying Krypton, saving it so that a young Supergirl can arrive on Earth just as history records. He then dies with the planet, accepting himself as more than a "living weapon", in Superman #25.

Meanwhile, in Teen Titans, the unconscious and injured Jon Lane Kent is recovered by the Beast Boy and Rose Wilson of the future timeline. Despite being Jon Lane Kent, the future Beast Boy and Rose Wilson hide this and dress him in Kon-El's costume for their own purposes. The present day Teen Titans find Jon Lane Kent in Kon-El's costume—unaware of Jon Lane Kent's existence—and take him back to the modern day era where he pretends to be their version of Superboy. The Teen Titans are unaware that Kon-El is "dead" and that they have an impostor in their midst who intends to kill all of Earth's meta-humans, although Superman and Supergirl believe Kon-El is dead and have not told the Titans. It is later revealed that Kon-El is still alive serving a being called the Oracle, patrolling past, present, and future.

Kon-El's consciousness is pulled into a pocket universe (dimension) when Jon Lane Kent touches his Psycho Future Self with all other Kons and Jons of the multiverse. The Future Jon taps into all other Kons and Jons except this dimension's Kon and younger Jon. The younger Jon heroically sacrifices himself to destroy the elder Jon, obliterating them both through his TK, sending all the other Jons and Kons back to their respective timelines, dimensions and universes. Jon isn't erased from history, and his actions outside of the pocket universe are well remembered, but he is truly gone, leaving Kon-El once again as Superboy. Kon-El is later revealed to travel all across the world and train and practice various forms of meditation and inner peace of mind as indicated in Supergirl comics. He later joins the Teen Titans.

DC Rebirth
In DC Rebirth, the mantle of Superboy is held by Jonathan Samuel "Jon" Kent, the son of Kal-El and Lois Lane, with Conner seemingly having never existed. Conner Kent/Superman from the Titans Tomorrow timeline makes an appearance in Detective Comics #966, where he asks Tim Drake/Batman to return to the Titans. Tim is subsequently captured by Mr. Oz, but escapes with the younger present-day Tim Drake. Before sending the younger Tim back to the past, the older Tim asks his younger self to reconcile his friendship with Conner. The young Tim Drake responds that he doesn't know who Conner is, leading the older Tim to realize that time has been altered. Tim mentioned later mentioned that although he didn't know why, he felt Conner's name "tugging at my heart".[24] The New 52 Kon-El is also lightly referenced in Red Hood and the Outlaws when the Outlaws and the Suicide Squad explore a N.O.W.H.E.R.E. facility and Bizarro (whose brain chemistry was enhanced making him smarter) had Deadshot and Captain Boomerang accompany him to shut down the facility's main generator as he was aware that since it was designed to be protected against Kryptonians due to another clone (with Harvest and Kon-El seen in a flashback) and Bizarro knew he would die if he attempted to shut it down by himself.[25] When the post-Rebirth Superman reviews his own life story, which incorporates elements of the pre- and post-Flashpoint Superman, Kon-El is not mentioned as one of the “replacements” who arose following Superman’s death at the hands of Doomsday.[26]

The Titans of Tomorrow version of Conner later appeared in the Super-Sons of Tomorrow crossover where he along with his universe's version of Wonder Woman and The Flash travel back to the past to prevent their unhinged teammate Tim Drake (Batman) from killing Jon. He would later help stop Jons Solar Flare power from going out of control. Before they return to their time, Conner chooses not to disclose any information to Superman to prevent it from affecting the future.

Wonder Comics
It was announced at New York Comic Con that Conner would finally be brought back into continuity in the upcoming Young Justice title as part of DC's new Wonder Comics imprint.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 10, 2019, 09:33:56 PM
God, fuck Scott Lobdell.

With Bendis it was like a bandaid was ripped off. It was bad, but at least it was all at once all up-front.

With Lobdell it was like being lowered into a vat of avid over the course of years. Because that's what he did: threw my favorite characters into metaphorical acid.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 11, 2019, 09:10:55 AM
Ah, the New 52.  I miss no-pants, anime-haircut Supergirl.  :doge

(https://media.agonybooth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/supergirl-new-52.jpg)

I don't miss New 52 Lobo. :yuck
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/32/29/a93229c014ee30a882c67c9e20a1ccab.jpg)

WTF were they thinking?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 11, 2019, 09:23:08 AM
What happened to Earth 2?  I actually enjoyed the New 52 take on these characters and it sucks that they canceled the series.  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 14, 2019, 11:20:19 PM
https://www.denofgeek.com/us/books/superman/278597/superman-7-reveals-big-changes-for-superboy

I knew this would probably come eventually but it just reeeeeeaaaallly fucking robs Jon of what made him feel special and his amazing relationship with Superdad. Now he's generic teen Superboy practically ripped from the Silver age. UUUUGHH BENDIS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 14, 2019, 11:36:27 PM
https://www.denofgeek.com/us/books/superman/278597/superman-7-reveals-big-changes-for-superboy

I knew this would probably come eventually but it just reeeeeeaaaallly fucking robs Jon of what made him feel special and his amazing relationship with Superdad. Now he's generic teen Superboy practically ripped from the Silver age. UUUUGHH BENDIS!!!!!!!

Seems even more pointless when there's the other teenage Superboy back now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 14, 2019, 11:53:49 PM
YEAH YOU THINK
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 15, 2019, 12:42:47 AM
Anyone know how Bendis man is selling?

Despite really liking some of Bendis’s stuff, I sort of have a visceral dislike for him at the same time. And dropped all Superman stuff after he took over.

It’s been a while since reading 90s super man/boy, but why is a super Boy named Kon-el? Like, why does he even have a kryptonian name? Iirc he’s not a straight up clone of Superman anyway because Star Labs couldn’t figure out Supes DNA and so he’s only like pseudo kryptonian, which is why he has different powers.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 15, 2019, 05:44:12 AM

For the 90s clone, wiki sez:
"Superman gives him his first real name "Kon-El" (after a descendant of the second House of El and Superman's cousin in spirit)."

New52:
"When he was confronted by Supergirl, Kara Zor-El, dubbed him that name upon realizing he was a clone,[42] his new moniker being an insult or slur, having "kon" meaning abomination in the Kryptonian language, and El was added, both mockingly resembling Kryptonian naming conventions and recognizing him as an offense against her family."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2019, 09:25:00 AM
New52 is actually a cool explanation, but in the New52 way of overexplaining shit that didn't need to be.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 15, 2019, 09:27:09 AM
So Bendis gonna Bendis then, cool  :doge

Its funny there was a time he was actually ok writing wise :yeshrug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 15, 2019, 09:34:37 AM
Ah, the New 52.  I miss no-pants, anime-haircut Supergirl.  :doge

(https://media.agonybooth.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/supergirl-new-52.jpg)


 ???  :whoo :whew  :doge 

 Who thought that was okay?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 15, 2019, 11:41:47 AM
The crotch-plate thing is weird as hell.  But worse are the knee-high boots with the kneecap areas exposed.  Like...what?

Didn't mind it when certain artists drew the character though.  Looks OK here.
(https://i1.wp.com/www.dadsbigplan.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/supergirl-new-52-35-kara-jason.jpg?resize=600%2C424)

Maybe they were trying to go for a Powergirl-inspired look or something.  Speaking of which, Powergirl started off like this in the New 52, with a George Perez redesign:
(https://www.toplessrobot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/file_191477_0_powergirlredo658.jpg)
:donot

Hard to believe that's not from 1975.  It didn't last long and she was reverted back to her old costume soon enough.  In Earth 2 she even got an S-crest.

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/67/04/2b/67042b53beb2cc4819da19fb9ffb9959.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 15, 2019, 11:45:13 AM
https://www.cbr.com/dc-new-52-costumes/

They liked it, but IMO the Red Robin costume is kinda bad.  I think it's the wings I don't like.
(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Teen-Titans-Vol-4-0-1.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)

I dunno what's wrong with New 52 Nightwing, though- looks OK to me.  ???  is the switch to red accents that big of a deal?
(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Nightwing-New-52.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)

Deadshot is the worst.
(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/4487027-7333457959-32903.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 15, 2019, 11:49:13 AM
Was this also New 52 era?   :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck

(https://i.imgur.com/TmwInyi.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2019, 11:51:45 AM
I think Wonderpants Woman was abandoned before it went to print. Dunno what the outrage was about lol, seems fine to me.

Timmy's Swan Princess costume just sucked, and it sucked even worse when drawn by Brett Booth :yuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 15, 2019, 11:53:22 AM
Red Nightwing made sense in the New 52 way of color-coordinating everything (to the point of making Beast Boy red since as a fusion of animals he wasn't part of "The Green" from fucking Swamp Thing), but his blue outfit is classic and honestly doesn't ever need to really be changed. Took them two tries (Disco Nightwing :lol) but they definitely nailed that second try.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 15, 2019, 12:05:18 PM
Oh man, yeah- this was so bad.  So.  Bad.    :lol

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/49/92/6f/49926f0e53cd831d8bf5ed2fb40f2745.png)

I think Wonderpants Woman was abandoned before it went to print. Dunno what the outrage was about lol, seems fine to me.

You're thinking of the Jim Lee redesign, where fanboys were so :punch OUTRAGED BY PANTS :punch that they changed the design to trunks:
(https://cdn2-www.mandatory.com/assets/uploads/2011/08/file_171987_0_wonderwomanpants658.jpg)

The armor came later on.  For all the complaining people do about Wonder Woman's costume, what seems way, way more exposed to me is her chest.  Maybe this is a little too 'anime' but I like how the DC animated take on the New 52 costume:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f4/d8/bb/f4d8bbb2e814e4bd0a45440786f3ee02.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 15, 2019, 12:13:15 PM
Also I do not like this recent trend of the "underwear on the outside of the pants" look coming back again.   :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 18, 2019, 01:46:49 PM
ROB

Quote
"Major X comes from a realm, another plane, called 'The X-istence.' It is populated only by mutants," Liefeld explained. "It's their special place. They're happy. They're living in harmony. The events that cause this portal to open, and for this 'The X-istence' to exist at all are subjects we deal with, and we answer. The absolute formation of The X-istence. Major X hails from there, and his home, the reason he's here encountering the current modern-day Marvel mutant landscape, is because The X-istence has been destroyed, and he is on a journey to restore his home."

The idea for Major X actually stems back from an aborted project Liefeld admittedly was reluctant to pitch back in 1992.

(https://media.comicbook.com/2019/01/major-x-rob-liefeld-marvel-comics-x-men-1-1154363.jpeg)

-Holy shit, no pouches anywhere?  Rob, you feeling OK buddy?
-Why the hell is Cable there?  Cable was killed (by young Cable) in X-Men Extermination.
-Wow, he drew feet.
-Everyone has pretty much the same hairline.
-What is going on around Wolverine's face?  I assume that's supposed to be whiskers but it looks like skin.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on January 18, 2019, 03:50:44 PM
Beast’s face is killing me  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 18, 2019, 06:13:23 PM
Cable was killed (by young Cable)

:what

Yeah.  :lol

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbr.com/extermination-cable-mystery-character-explained/amp/

So Cable thought that Cable was too soft to do the job and killed...himself.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 18, 2019, 08:04:01 PM
Comics, am I right fellas :mike
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2019, 11:40:51 PM
found some panels of Zoe Quinn's comic lol

(https://i.imgur.com/njykIj2.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/OYXKdO5.jpg)

DIGITALLY MULTITASK IN THE ANALOG
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2019, 11:53:14 PM
What happened to Earth 2?  I actually enjoyed the New 52 take on these characters and it sucks that they canceled the series.  :-\
Earth 2 -> Earth 2: World's End* -> Convergence -> Earth 2: Society

fork at World's End -> Future's End which portrays a reality in which Earth 2 survivors went to Earth Prime and became outcasts

Earth 2 "ended" because New 52 did...half the plots died in the books because the writers left and each new writer didn't want to pick it up, this was especially bad in one case because James Robinson, the original writer, had scripted out an extended plotline and not the incoming writers, but the editors wanted his plans throw out to try and make the book more friendly to Earth Prime readers which is why Power Girl and Helena/Huntress/Robin come back and there's more Batman and a Superman and etc.

Justice League 3000 is even more hilariously mistreated and drops nearly every plotline started, becomes rebooted as a neo-JLI that's setting up to be quite fun and then is left as a cliffhanger as they almost pencil in the margins "this plotline was resolved somehow at somepoint, now onto the next page"

*an agreement was made in which Darkseid was allowed to conquer one Earth in the multiverse, Earth 2
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 18, 2019, 11:56:17 PM
the old late 90s-2000s, multivolume Justice Society series runs were the base for a lot of the Earth 2 characters (albeit with pre-existing characters rather than ones he was free to revamp and recreate entirely) and also written by James Robinson, very similar themes, especially the whole lack of comfort by characters with being a "superhero" and what that means

Starman is the prequel to those more or less
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 19, 2019, 08:59:22 AM
found some panels of Zoe Quinn's comic lol

(https://i.imgur.com/njykIj2.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/OYXKdO5.jpg)

DIGITALLY MULTITASK IN THE ANALOG

This reads like a webcomic with better art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on January 20, 2019, 07:35:13 PM
Rob Liefield is doing Marvel stuff again?

huh  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 21, 2019, 10:08:43 PM
He’s been perfecting his feet for the last 20 years and now he’s back.

Also, I got the trades free for the relaunch of Blood Strike and kind of liked it, even though it has shitty art. I get nostalgic for that 90s cheese, and this is probably a bit better than the originals.


Of course, like half of Marvels books have shitty art now, so I’ve kind of gotten used to that too
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2019, 11:53:08 PM
It's not just Marvel, I've really been surprised how bad comic art has become, and it's been fast, last couple years really went in the toliet as everyone went 180 degrees away from every normal comic art standard that pulled the 2000s out of the gutter.

IIRC, both of the companies did a bunch of hiring of people off the internet, as a cost saver, and it hasn't really worked out, with most of them out of the industry in a few months because they can't keep the schedule. Aside from the ones that names like Snyder can drag around with him no matter how bad their art is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 21, 2019, 11:55:07 PM
Hell, those Zoe Quinn comic panels I posted above has better art than many mainstream big property titles. And it's a comic that sells so few copies that it would get delisted from the tracking services except it's a limited series and so exempt. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 22, 2019, 10:47:15 AM
What happened to Earth 2?  I actually enjoyed the New 52 take on these characters and it sucks that they canceled the series.  :-\
Earth 2 -> Earth 2: World's End* -> Convergence -> Earth 2: Society

fork at World's End -> Future's End which portrays a reality in which Earth 2 survivors went to Earth Prime and became outcasts

Earth 2 "ended" because New 52 did...half the plots died in the books because the writers left and each new writer didn't want to pick it up, this was especially bad in one case because James Robinson, the original writer, had scripted out an extended plotline and not the incoming writers, but the editors wanted his plans throw out to try and make the book more friendly to Earth Prime readers which is why Power Girl and Helena/Huntress/Robin come back and there's more Batman and a Superman and etc.

Justice League 3000 is even more hilariously mistreated and drops nearly every plotline started, becomes rebooted as a neo-JLI that's setting up to be quite fun and then is left as a cliffhanger as they almost pencil in the margins "this plotline was resolved somehow at somepoint, now onto the next page"

*an agreement was made in which Darkseid was allowed to conquer one Earth in the multiverse, Earth 2

I read all that!   :)  I meant they ended it and haven't gone back.  Those characters seem lost to the ether now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 22, 2019, 03:03:17 PM
Hell, those Zoe Quinn comic panels I posted above has better art than many mainstream big property titles. And it's a comic that sells so few copies that it would get delisted from the tracking services except it's a limited series and so exempt. :lol

2 books recently I’ve been catching up on really caught my attention as being absolutely terrible art.

1) Weapon X. They made an artist change around the time Omega Red joined the team. And the art is just terrible. I’ve seen better commissions done for $15 at a con in 20 minutes.
2) the new exiles book. It’s drawn by Javier Rodriguez who has drawn a lot of books, but he’s just doing a terrible job here. For some reason blink looks exactly like a pink squirrel girl. I think, maybe, he’s trying to make Blink actually look like she is actually from the West Indies, by giving her a wider nose and thicker lips and  a different hair texture... maybe?! But it looks bad and doesn’t really look anything like the character has ever looked in any other book.

And then he also did this panel with Kang that is just terrible. Like his eyes are popped out past his mask. It just looks incredibly dumb.

I’ve never really liked his art much, but He’s drawn some books that I st least didn’t find objectionable. But his work in exiles is just trash tier.

Obviously the best way to make money on the big books is to knock out as much art as possible, so sometimes you get a guy who can hit deadlines in the most mediocre way possible and just ends up doing tons of work because of it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 22, 2019, 11:36:09 PM
https://imgur.com/gallery/IUVrgad


https://imgur.com/gallery/XamdD17
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 22, 2019, 11:56:27 PM
Yup.  The Weapon X art change was so drastic and killed it for me.

Exiles was canceled.  Shock!  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 23, 2019, 01:21:18 AM
Exiles like runaways is one of those series I always have a fondness for but none of the follow ups really were able to capture the magic of the original.

That story where it was like hunger games with runaways was close though. I really enjoyed that shit.

Exiles really started to suck once Chris Claremont wrote it.

I’d still be down for another go at the team (which will happen in 3 years I’m sure) but please don’t have the guy that doesn’t draw squirrel girl but draws just like the person that draws squirrel girl draw it.

That type of art belongs in joke books imo. Javier Rodriguez can do a Forbush man ongoing or Ambish big.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 24, 2019, 12:19:30 PM
Exiles really started to suck once Chris Claremont wrote it.

On one hand, I was glad to see Psylocke get resurrected.  On the other, it became very...Claremont...with too much of a focus on her and "capers" (who the hell talks like that, lol) involving obscure characters like Slaymaster and shit popping up as villains. 

I’d still be down for another go at the team (which will happen in 3 years I’m sure) but please don’t have the guy that doesn’t draw squirrel girl but draws just like the person that draws squirrel girl draw it.

They need to stop making it all about Blink already.  Move on with a new cast and/or go back to having it rotate like the original series did.  Go back to things being "characters fucking around in 'What If' scenario-worlds" again without worrying about someone destroying time or timekeepers or Watcher-Nick Fury or any of that crap.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 25, 2019, 01:25:40 PM
Claremont is funny to me.

For a long time he was mentioned as a comic book writer with the stature as like an Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, o
Brian Michael Bendis, and Todd Mcfarlane.

But now I just can’t see it at all. His writing seems anachronistic in the worst possible way. Not just in the stylistic way of “comics in the 80s were wordier/less natural language”. It just seems corny and bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 25, 2019, 06:16:06 PM
I would just say he’s problematic and a bit yikes and that whether to read his stuff is a nope from me Dawg.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 27, 2019, 07:34:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/hvMq3yY.jpg)

Oh my god drusilla honey what did they do to you
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 28, 2019, 03:29:27 AM
but...why?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on January 28, 2019, 08:43:31 AM
They knew the true portrait of female power was Hillary Clinton.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 12, 2019, 02:41:05 AM
Uncanny X-men 11 was fantastic. Best issue of X-men I've read in a long time.

After the Annual, I thought we were going to see Cyclops devolve into the boy scout leader. Throw out the rugged development as seen in the Whedon and Morrison runs. But in 11 that dosen't happen. He tells Cap to fuck off. So while he does want to be repentant for what he's done, he hasn't become the uncool floor mat he use to be.  The scene where he teams up with Wolverine was great.

I don't know it just seems to be the start of an actual storyline that feels like actual things are happening.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 13, 2019, 07:57:22 AM
Uncanny X-men 11 was fantastic. Best issue of X-men I've read in a long time.

After the Annual, I thought we were going to see Cyclops devolve into the boy scout leader. Throw out the rugged development as seen in the Whedon and Morrison runs. But in 11 that dosen't happen. He tells Cap to fuck off. So while he does want to be repentant for what he's done, he hasn't become the uncool floor mat he use to be.  The scene where he teams up with Wolverine was great.

I don't know it just seems to be the start of an actual storyline that feels like actual things are happening.

Hoping this leads back to something more along the lines of the early 90s X-Men and gets everything back to how it used to be.  Should be fun having Cyclops and Wolverine make a new X-Men line-up, but once the Age Of X storyline is over, all the others are going to come back and who knows how the writers are going to handle all those characters.  I think having one X-Men book is just not enough and they need to go back to two or even three team books again. 

Also funny that Wolverine has already come back to the X-Men- the Return Of Wolverine mini-series still isn't finished yet. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on February 14, 2019, 12:15:02 PM
So Cyclops really did come back  :doge

Sounds like they are trying to have a balance which seems like the best option.

Also isn't Jean still doing stuff with her Xmen Red team?

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 21, 2019, 09:39:27 PM
So Cyclops really did come back  :doge

Sounds like they are trying to have a balance which seems like the best option.

Also isn't Jean still doing stuff with her Xmen Red team?

I think X-Men Red is over now? 

Cyclops is back and the story was told in an annual, IIRC. 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Kid Cable does his time travel thing and finds some doctor to make a thing that uses a tiny fragment of the phoenix force to bring Cyclops back to the life.  Cyclops then stays in hiding for a while and does some things here and there before finally going back to find the X-Men. 
[close]

Return Of Wolverine just ended (Wolverine stops the bad guy, gets his memories back...and that's about it) and felt pretty pointless.  His corpse was being used to do things for quite a while but we have no idea what was done.  Maybe they'll go back to it later on.  No time for that, because this week also saw the first issue of Wolverine: Infinity Watch, which picks up right where Return Of Wolverine #5 left off.

Time for more retcon fun- The Wolverine who showed up a couple of years ago in Marvel Legacy with an infinite gem? 
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Not the current Logan!  Instead they now changed it so it's the far-far-future old man Phoenix Wolverine who first showed up in the current Thor series.  He went back in time in disguise and was doin' thangs too.
[close]
:dead

I'm really behind on comics and have no idea what's going on in all these "Infinite" comics.  I see Marvel has another event on the way already now too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on February 21, 2019, 11:29:36 PM
Yea I had gotten my answer to X-men Red plus Cyke being back LOL

Apparently


spoiler (click to show/hide)
the X-men (with Jean and the Red team) are dead since there was this whole thing with Nate Grey returning and being God. In the aftermath the humans didn't give a fuck the x-men were dead and instead celebrated their demise, then went on with their lives. Also there is some vaccine that suppresses/kills the mutant gene now :yeshrug:

Then it shows Cyke being alive reading a newspaper article but in civilian clothing and being like "what the fuck humanity" then crushing and throwing the paper away
[close]


All of this sounds fucking weird  :beli
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on February 22, 2019, 12:33:10 AM
It is weird, but I love weird X-men.

The whole Dissasembled story was bad, but so far the stuff it lead to has been really good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 18, 2019, 02:22:04 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/bnDWBvU.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 18, 2019, 11:31:32 AM
I read the Tv Tropes on the Watchmen sequel/crossover thing and it sounds....really fucking dumb and confusing. I got to it from reading about the multi-multiverse, which is even dumber and more confusing. Each universe has 52 worlds, and there are infinite universes, but sometimes the 52 have their own little bubble universes or some shit? I thought DC had multiple crisis events to get rid of all these universes. WHY ARE THERE SO MANY UNIVERSES?

It's the same problem Marvel has.  Create all these different worlds/universes, everything gets too convoluted/complex/confusing, they do a big storyline where all this shit is erased and/or combined into one, and then it starts over again.   :lol ::) 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 18, 2019, 12:30:54 PM
(http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/batwoman-superwoman-vs-batman.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 18, 2019, 12:34:09 PM

Smallville the TV Show has 8 different worlds. Arrowverse has 25.


Will say this, at least- Arrowverse shows make it pretty easy to follow all the different earth stuff, since they gradually introduced this concept and it generally doesn't dominate everything.  You have one cast member on Flash who gets to play different versions of himself every season (Wells), and then apart from that every now and then some villain or hero from another earth will pop up for an episode or two.  It's also how they bring back certain characters who have gotten killed off.  That said, I think there's been like five different versions of Laurel/Black Canary/Black Siren in Arrow, and it's kind of annoying.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 18, 2019, 01:35:29 PM
The big problem with the multiple worlds is when they invade main continuity.

Like, I sort of like the Batman who laughs storyline going on... but it doesn’t really make that much sense.
 Metal didn’t really make sense either.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on March 18, 2019, 01:57:14 PM
In Dark Knights Metal you actually had a bunch of gender swapped chars :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 18, 2019, 02:47:37 PM
The big problem with the multiple worlds is when they invade main continuity.

Like, I sort of like the Batman who laughs storyline going on... but it doesn’t really make that much sense.
 Metal didn’t really make sense either.

Have they explained the three Jokers thing yet?   :doge

Guessing not.  :doge

 :doge

spoiler (click to show/hide)
  :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 18, 2019, 02:51:24 PM
It’s the joker impostor that gets killed I’m Arkham, the Joker who shoots hinder in the chest, and Batman after getting infected with the joker toxin.

Or something. Who knows.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2019, 10:40:02 AM
Three Jokers doesn't have a release date yet. Doomsday Clock isn't over with yet, it was supposed to end in December but now it's tentatively scheduled to end in July though there are no dates for the remaining issues.

I literally have no idea what Geoff Johns even does anymore after he got canned from the films.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on March 20, 2019, 10:40:45 AM
Tv stuff?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2019, 10:44:36 AM
I guess he's technically doing Stargirl, but I assume it's more like, lots of day drinking.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 29, 2019, 01:01:43 AM
So dat boi Hickman is coming back to Marvel to write X-men.

I’m one of the few people that thought Hickman’s Avengers run was overly confusing and sort of overrated, but I’m still curious what he’s going to come up with as Marvels writing has been really bad the last few years apart from a few books.

Edit: also been reading a lot of Geoff Johns lately. His old flash stuff is great! I’m a bit confused with Doomsday Clock though. The wait between issues might be the problem. I’ll need to start all over once it’s done.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 29, 2019, 09:04:56 AM
Interested to see what he does with the X-Men.  The teaser image is a head-scratcher:

(https://cdn.pastemagazine.com/www/articles/2019/03/25/HickmanXMenMain.jpg)

Among other things, we get what appears to be a Nightcrawler/Gambit fusion on the left and a Magik/Colossus fusion on the right.  Jean Grey on the left...Phoenix on the right.  Weapon X on the left...Wolverine on the right.  Child Storm on the left...mohawk Storm on the right.
:confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 29, 2019, 01:42:06 PM
Long haired blink tho.

edit: I guess Hickman is only doing two 6 issue miniseries.

I figured that the picture was actually some kind of retrospective of all X-men history or something and not necessarily a list of the characters in the series.

Also looks like some kind of Magic + Collossus Amalgam in the front on the right too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 31, 2019, 02:51:36 PM
I’m at a con right now and met Nick Spencer.

He tried to cover his true feelings on Dan slott by saying he’s a good guy, but I got him to admit that Dan Slott is just a loser who went through a bad divorce and is now anti-marriage. Also, he thinks that redheads have a weird must smell.

Anyway, Spider-Man and MJ are getting married again.

Also, met Mark Bagley but didn’t have anything for him to sign so went and bought something then had him sign it.... despite having much better things for him to sign at home.... so I now have a signed second edition of the second appearance of Carnage.

Interesting thing about Mark, if you want him to just sign he’ll charge you a tenet but if you want it personalized he’ll do it for free. I of course gave him my real name instead of my fur name or bore name.... like a dumbass.

Weird thing about Comic cons these days. Big titty Cosplay chicks have lines like 10X as long as legit comic creators who have drawn big name books and have a lot of history in the industry.

Like Mark Bagley just was sitting there with no line. But Jessica, a cosplayer with enormous fake tits has like a 30 minute wait.



Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on March 31, 2019, 03:43:09 PM
Morrison’s X-men is one of my favorite things ever. Read it as young teen and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Few times have cape comics ever felt as cool as that. I think it holds up despite some wonky story mechanics.

Didn’t get into his Batman as much.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2019, 05:20:25 PM
Morrison’s X-men is one of my favorite things ever. Read it as young teen and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Few times have cape comics ever felt as cool as that. I think it holds up despite some wonky story mechanics.

Couldn't get into it back then.  Maybe I should take a look again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 31, 2019, 05:22:11 PM
I’m at a con right now and met Nick Spencer.

He tried to cover his true feelings on Dan slott by saying he’s a good guy, but I got him to admit that Dan Slott is just a loser who went through a bad divorce and is now anti-marriage. Also, he thinks that redheads have a weird must smell.

Anyway, Spider-Man and MJ are getting married again.

:neogaf


Weird thing about Comic cons these days. Big titty Cosplay chicks have lines like 10X as long as legit comic creators who have drawn big name books and have a lot of history in the industry.

Like Mark Bagley just was sitting there with no line. But Jessica, a cosplayer with enormous fake tits has like a 30 minute wait.

Jessica Nigri?  I mean, she'd be way the hell more popular than some comic artist, because cosplayers like her are all over social media, plus TITS.  People need to queue up to get a photo and drool, then go back home, get on REEEE, and say how gross half-naked wimmenz are.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 31, 2019, 06:18:27 PM
Yeah it was Jessica Nigiri.

There were several others that had decently long lines. Like Christina Dark, and alkali Katie.

Enough that said to me “if you got huge tits and don’t got it in you to be an Instagram thot or do porn, consider cosplay”.

Jessica Nigiri’s boob job is insane. There was also some chick that did a powegirl cosplay that I’ve seem pics before that also had an equally enormous boob job.

I don’t really have any problem with titties or anything, but people seem to have convinced themselves it wholesome because they dress up like comic characters when it’s just soft core porn.

Edit: also weird to me now how comic culture is no longer about comics. Like I was talking to some people and it’s clear they know the characters and the movies but have never read any of the comics and don’t know anything about them.

This doesn’t necessarily surprise me, I just find it odd because that’s not how Cons we’re in the 90s.

Edit2: also saw a chick in a red and black schoolgirl thing, and my first thought was “oh, that’s a bible black cosplay!” Which means I’ve been to too many dark places on the internet.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 02, 2019, 02:20:49 AM
Quote
Edit: also weird to me now how comic culture is no longer about comics. Like I was talking to some people and it’s clear they know the characters and the movies but have never read any of the comics and don’t know anything about them.
Ask a few questions about DC and you will clearly see they are mostly garbage MCU fans
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2019, 04:59:13 AM
I have respect for Jessica Nigiri, her hustle has been pretty amazing all things considered. It's been a decade! And apparently she's not insane like everyone else in that "industry" eventually turns out to be after six months or less. And without having to do real porn either!

Don't even have any nerd sperging about her being a real fan or not because that hustle game has been so good it's like who cares.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2019, 05:01:00 AM
Whoever Christina Dark the cosplayer is should have Googled before picking her stage name: https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0201280/
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1995 Teeny Excess 39: Bleeding Nymphos (Video) (as Kristina Jossa)

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1999 Private Black Label 6: The Uranus Experiment 1 (Video)
 1999 Private Black Label 7: The Uranus Experiment 2 (Video)
 1999 Private Black Label 8: The Uranus Experiment 3 (Video)
ooh a trilogy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 02, 2019, 12:56:21 PM
I really wasn’t aware of Jessica Nigri.

But after doing some important background research into the culture of cosplay women on Instagram, I realized that most of these chicks hustle a lot. A lot seem to be doing a con almost every weekend. Talking to a bunch of dorks about their favorite team dragon ball character for 8 hours 3 days a week probably fucking sucks, honestly.

I do wonder how many actually make their own costumes. My guess is not that many, and that most of them are just the pretty face in the costume.

They are also basically just smarter Instagram thots though, they just found a better angle to work. Many of them seem to sprinkle in you basic boudoir photos with their cosplay stuff.

My wife has a friend that dresses up for cons that is pretty hot. My wife thinks they look like sisters so I can ogle her pics and say “she really do look like you though”. My wife is technically probably prettier, but she also don’t dress up like a slutty Wednesday Adams.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 02, 2019, 01:00:08 PM
A lot seem to be doing a con almost every weekend. Talking to a bunch of dorks about their favorite team dragon ball character for 8 hours 3 days a week probably fucking sucks, honestly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Z-h4xVwmeQ
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: BisMarckie on April 02, 2019, 01:04:33 PM
:jeanluc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 02, 2019, 01:11:41 PM
I saw a dude rudely correcting his girlfriend about Bippidi boppidid boo on dragon ball while waiting in line to take a pic with Kevin Eastman and considered murder.

He was cosplaying as fat Val Kilmer cosplaying as Casey Jones and she was cosplaying as Kirstie Alley cosplaying as April O’neill.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on April 02, 2019, 05:27:15 PM
Morrison’s X-men is one of my favorite things ever. Read it as young teen and thought it was the coolest thing ever. Few times have cape comics ever felt as cool as that. I think it holds up despite some wonky story mechanics.

Didn’t get into his Batman as much.

I love the run but mainly because I kind of hate the X-men.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on April 03, 2019, 10:00:52 AM
I’m at a con right now and met Nick Spencer.

He tried to cover his true feelings on Dan slott by saying he’s a good guy, but I got him to admit that Dan Slott is just a loser who went through a bad divorce and is now anti-marriage. Also, he thinks that redheads have a weird must smell.

Anyway, Spider-Man and MJ are getting married again.

:neogaf


Weird thing about Comic cons these days. Big titty Cosplay chicks have lines like 10X as long as legit comic creators who have drawn big name books and have a lot of history in the industry.

Like Mark Bagley just was sitting there with no line. But Jessica, a cosplayer with enormous fake tits has like a 30 minute wait.

Jessica Nigri?  I mean, she'd be way the hell more popular than some comic artist, because cosplayers like her are all over social media, plus TITS.  People need to queue up to get a photo and drool, then go back home, get on REEEE, and say how gross half-naked wimmenz are.  :doge

I'm unaware of this Nigri character…
 :nsfw
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtMzEu-g-Ah/
 :nsfw
I'm in. Completely support this kind of thing. What…?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 03, 2019, 10:03:34 AM
I really wasn’t aware of Jessica Nigri.

But after doing some important background research into the culture of cosplay women on Instagram, I realized that most of these chicks hustle a lot. A lot seem to be doing a con almost every weekend. Talking to a bunch of dorks about their favorite team dragon ball character for 8 hours 3 days a week probably fucking sucks, honestly.

I do wonder how many actually make their own costumes. My guess is not that many, and that most of them are just the pretty face in the costume.

They are also basically just smarter Instagram thots though, they just found a better angle to work. Many of them seem to sprinkle in you basic boudoir photos with their cosplay stuff.

My wife has a friend that dresses up for cons that is pretty hot. My wife thinks they look like sisters so I can ogle her pics and say “she really do look like you though”. My wife is technically probably prettier, but she also don’t dress up like a slutty Wednesday Adams.

Pretty sure most of them make their own costumes.  There was (still is?) even a reality show about it on one of the cable channels, complete with manufactured drama.  Really made that Yaya Han chick (Asian cosplayer with huge fake tits) look like a real bitch.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 03, 2019, 10:06:18 AM
I’m at a con right now and met Nick Spencer.

He tried to cover his true feelings on Dan slott by saying he’s a good guy, but I got him to admit that Dan Slott is just a loser who went through a bad divorce and is now anti-marriage. Also, he thinks that redheads have a weird must smell.

Anyway, Spider-Man and MJ are getting married again.

:neogaf


Weird thing about Comic cons these days. Big titty Cosplay chicks have lines like 10X as long as legit comic creators who have drawn big name books and have a lot of history in the industry.

Like Mark Bagley just was sitting there with no line. But Jessica, a cosplayer with enormous fake tits has like a 30 minute wait.

Jessica Nigri?  I mean, she'd be way the hell more popular than some comic artist, because cosplayers like her are all over social media, plus TITS.  People need to queue up to get a photo and drool, then go back home, get on REEEE, and say how gross half-naked wimmenz are.  :doge

I'm unaware of this Nigri character…
 :nsfw
https://www.instagram.com/p/BtMzEu-g-Ah/
 :nsfw
I'm in. Completely support this kind of thing. What…?

IIRC she got big from doing Lolipop Chainsaw cosplay and got to be the "official" cosplayer for it.  Even got into trouble for an outfit.
https://kotaku.com/skimpy-outfit-gets-lollipop-chainsaw-cosplayer-asked-to-5900134

Better wear the less skimpier outfit- what could happen?
 :nsfw
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(http://www.craiglotter.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/juliet-starling-lollipop-chainsaw-cosplay-by-american-jessica-nigri-1.jpg)
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:salute
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 03, 2019, 11:16:39 AM
I really wasn’t aware of Jessica Nigri.

But after doing some important background research into the culture of cosplay women on Instagram, I realized that most of these chicks hustle a lot. A lot seem to be doing a con almost every weekend. Talking to a bunch of dorks about their favorite team dragon ball character for 8 hours 3 days a week probably fucking sucks, honestly.

I do wonder how many actually make their own costumes. My guess is not that many, and that most of them are just the pretty face in the costume.

They are also basically just smarter Instagram thots though, they just found a better angle to work. Many of them seem to sprinkle in you basic boudoir photos with their cosplay stuff.

My wife has a friend that dresses up for cons that is pretty hot. My wife thinks they look like sisters so I can ogle her pics and say “she really do look like you though”. My wife is technically probably prettier, but she also don’t dress up like a slutty Wednesday Adams.

Pretty sure most of them make their own costumes.  There was (still is?) even a reality show about it on one of the cable channels, complete with manufactured drama.  Really made that Yaya Han chick (Asian cosplayer with huge fake tits) look like a real bitch.  :doge

I think both Nigri and Yaya Han came out and said that beef was just manufactured for tv and they are friends.

Can’t be a real cosplayer if spergs can’t indulge in Lesbian fantasies for their faves.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 03, 2019, 02:18:05 PM
I have very little experience with con culture apart from the few genshikens and game cons I used to run/attend. It's all just goofball shit, but this last one felt a bit weird when teenagers started dressing up in oversexualized shit. I'm just here to buy some doujins mang.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 04, 2019, 08:49:36 AM
Been catching up on some Marvel Unlimited.

This Infinity Wars event is dumb. Marvel really loves their crossovers to be effectively What If?! Stories.

Secret Empire was better, even, IMo.

Also, for some reason I read 7 issues of Weapon H. This character should be memory holed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 05, 2019, 12:25:30 PM
Catching up with the cap is a hydra agent stuff, I wish I didn't
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 16, 2019, 01:36:01 PM
Tasty, post if you're okay, just read what bendis has been doing with your superboy on earth 3 :goldberg
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 16, 2019, 02:01:12 PM
Tasty, post if you're okay, just read what bendis has been doing with your superboy on earth 3 :goldberg

I deliberately haven't been. Spoil me so I have one more thing to write on my suicide note.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 16, 2019, 02:01:59 PM
superboy on earth 3

:mindblown
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 16, 2019, 04:40:31 PM
So Bendis is making him unstable by having his bizarro father ultraman imprison him while mentally ruining him by showing up to the prison and just being a weird fucker and crying and raging about shit, he then escapes and has to fight his bizarro mom superwoman/Louis lane and you can tell it's warping his shit mentally
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 16, 2019, 04:41:34 PM
superboy on earth 3

:mindblown
yeah it ignores previous earth 3 canon  completely, Bendis man.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 17, 2019, 03:45:53 AM
https://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/the-kamandi-challenge-2017/the-kamandi-challenge (https://www.dccomics.com/graphic-novels/the-kamandi-challenge-2017/the-kamandi-challenge)


 :noah :aah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 17, 2019, 07:59:49 AM
Haven't said anything about Savage Dragon lately because nothing worth noting (I.E. crazy shit) has really happened.  But cut to the end of the previous issue and a giant worm-thing attacks the Dragon family apartment!  In the current issue, the worm-thing is taken out after it eats the youngest baby Dragon and she makes it kind of explode with her electric power.  We then find out that this isn't a worm at all- it's the severed penis of the big demon that raped Maxine a few issues back, out for revenge.
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 17, 2019, 09:44:11 AM
So Bendis is making him unstable by having his bizarro father ultraman imprison him while mentally ruining him by showing up to the prison and just being a weird fucker and crying and raging about shit, he then escapes and has to fight his bizarro mom superwoman/Louis lane and you can tell it's warping his shit mentally

what in the fuck
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 18, 2019, 12:55:33 PM
I have a lot of catching up to do, but skipped ahead to check out Uncanny X-Men #16 this week- Uncanny has shifted the team to the Cyclops/Wolverine-led line-up of mutants who aren't involved in the "Age Of X" storyline that's going on in various mini-series.

Dunno what led to what, but this X-team is attacked by the Brotherhood Of Evil Mutants, led by Magneto.  Makes no sense, because Magneto is currently in the Age Of X world.  But hey!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Someone remembered that Magneto clone, Joseph, still exists!  The X-Men find out it's really him, and before they can do anything, he gets beheaded by Kwannon, who "woke up" in her own body after Psylocke got her original body back like...a year ago already?

(https://i.imgur.com/Q429fkv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/15elIKS.jpg)
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That's a pretty cool "return."  Like the costume, too- like a hybrid of the mid and late 80s outfits together.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 18, 2019, 12:58:51 PM
Marvel is also bringing back Jane Foster as the new Valkyrie.

...WHY?

(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/valkyrie2019001_dc11_web-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 18, 2019, 01:08:57 PM
Don't read Thor personally, but I thought she was fake Thor
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 18, 2019, 01:37:40 PM
She’s dead I think currently.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 18, 2019, 02:11:18 PM
Don't read Thor personally, but I thought she was fake Thor

She died from cancer (the Thor transformations took a toll on her immune system; it was presented that she might have recovered but every time she Thor'd up it fucked up all the treatment) after deciding to go THOR to fight some big bad that nobody else could take down.  IIRC the last thing we saw of her is her being led to Valhalla.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 12:58:37 PM
And now Jane Foster is Queen Of Asgard.  :lol ???

Anyway, this looks amazing:

https://screenrant.com/dc-marvel-justice-league-killers-comic/

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When the Avengers just aren't enough to protect Earth, it's time to call in Marvel's own version of the Justice League. But the new Squadron Supreme couldn't look more like an exact copy of DC's greatest heroes if they tried. The only difference? This new team is made up of trained killers that make Batman v Superman look like a day at the park.

Since the team made a surprise appearance as a team handpicked and assembled by Agent Phil Coulson himself in Avengers #700, they have kept their presence in the Marvel Universe quiet. Now that their secrets are out, they are too: leaping into action as "D.C.'s greatest heroes!" Defenders of America's capital, hence the name. But the comparisons to Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and the rest of the League go far deeper than a simple joker. The new Squadron Supreme of America is a dark, bloody, and sinister creation of Agent Coulson's. And their idea of handling an invasion... is turning the invaders into a pile of blood and bones. We can't imagine DC is going to like this one.

(https://static0.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Marvels-Killer-Wonder-Woman-Power-Princess.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)
(https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Marvels-Killer-Batman-Nighthawk-in-Squadron-Supreme.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)
(https://static3.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/04/Marvels-Killer-Flash-The-Blur-in-Squadrom-Supreme.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on April 25, 2019, 03:45:43 PM
Comics Coulson sounds awful. :(


Wait didn’t Deadpool kill him during Captain Hydra?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 25, 2019, 08:19:03 PM
Comics Coulson sounds awful. :(


Wait didn’t Deadpool kill him during Captain Hydra?

He came back.  No idea if it was ever explained...haven't read any of this shit yet.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 26, 2019, 12:29:24 AM
They could have just left Coulson dead.

Like he’s really not that important. I thought all of the squadron supreme was dead or something too.

Edit: I just remembered they killed major and then brought him back to life or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bluemax on April 26, 2019, 01:27:03 AM
I really wasn’t aware of Jessica Nigri.

But after doing some important background research into the culture of cosplay women on Instagram, I realized that most of these chicks hustle a lot. A lot seem to be doing a con almost every weekend. Talking to a bunch of dorks about their favorite team dragon ball character for 8 hours 3 days a week probably fucking sucks, honestly.

I do wonder how many actually make their own costumes. My guess is not that many, and that most of them are just the pretty face in the costume.

They are also basically just smarter Instagram thots though, they just found a better angle to work. Many of them seem to sprinkle in you basic boudoir photos with their cosplay stuff.

My wife has a friend that dresses up for cons that is pretty hot. My wife thinks they look like sisters so I can ogle her pics and say “she really do look like you though”. My wife is technically probably prettier, but she also don’t dress up like a slutty Wednesday Adams.

Pretty sure most of them make their own costumes.  There was (still is?) even a reality show about it on one of the cable channels, complete with manufactured drama.  Really made that Yaya Han chick (Asian cosplayer with huge fake tits) look like a real bitch.  :doge

Nah, a lot of the sluttier ones don't make their own costumes. But respect to the girls who do.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 26, 2019, 07:57:29 AM
Jessica Nigri’s titties are big as hell. She probably hasn’t worn a piece of clothing off a rack in 10 years.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2019, 09:32:26 AM
And the current dumbest controversy in comics awards goes to...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-this-weeks-darth-vader-comic-is-causing-controversy-1834311320

https://twitter.com/PoeHotDameron/status/1121154475173933056
(see thread)

Fangirls are mad that there's a comic where an unstable Vader fangirl is treated as unstable. Because I guess implying the downsides of pop culture fanaticism is... bad?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2019, 09:38:24 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/cZoYpy8.png)

::) Straight up admitting the story itself is fine.

Complain about the news cycle then? :confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 26, 2019, 11:00:39 AM
>io9 not even once. they're about to die so not even ever
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2019, 11:03:33 AM
>io9 not even once. they're about to die so not even ever

I like their Flash reviews and morning spoilers :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 26, 2019, 03:06:09 PM
And the current dumbest controversy in comics awards goes to...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-this-weeks-darth-vader-comic-is-causing-controversy-1834311320

https://twitter.com/PoeHotDameron/status/1121154475173933056
(see thread)

Fangirls are mad that there's a comic where an unstable Vader fangirl is treated as unstable. Because I guess implying the downsides of pop culture fanaticism is... bad?

:rofl

"THIS IS HOW YOU SEE *US* ISN'T IT?!?!"
 :social

Uh...no...?  But you apparently see yourself as obsessive and psychotic?  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 26, 2019, 03:17:19 PM
Can Trump make it illegal to include (and especially start) a tweet with some form of "*sigh*"

Is there a trope page for this shit yet, cause it was annoyingly un-cute like a decade ago and it's still here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 26, 2019, 04:01:08 PM
she means he felt all of her with The Force right?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on April 26, 2019, 04:56:34 PM
And the current dumbest controversy in comics awards goes to...

https://io9.gizmodo.com/why-this-weeks-darth-vader-comic-is-causing-controversy-1834311320

https://twitter.com/PoeHotDameron/status/1121154475173933056
(see thread)

Fangirls are mad that there's a comic where an unstable Vader fangirl is treated as unstable. Because I guess implying the downsides of pop culture fanaticism is... bad?

:rofl

"THIS IS HOW YOU SEE *US* ISN'T IT?!?!"
 :social

Uh...no...?  But you apparently see yourself as obsessive and psychotic?  :doge
this is like when conservatives cape for tiki torch racists because they see themselves in it :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on April 26, 2019, 07:03:15 PM
PoeHotDameron.

Lol.

She should just read some savage dragon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on April 28, 2019, 09:18:41 PM

Apparently Thor and Odin were able to resurrect her and shes Cancer free iirc :yeshrug


Anyone read that reveal in "Heroes in Crisis"

I wonder how certain fans feel about it.   :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 01, 2019, 04:44:39 AM
I'm totally out of frame on everything. Most stuff I've been reading the last few months is out of the cape books completely or is in a different publisher.

But I read some collected editions from the library for Batgirl and the Birds of Prey and then Detective Comics with the whole Tim Drake arc. BoP was hit or miss, the whole story where every man in Gotham gets sick and leaves it to the women was a good idea that was terribly written, with way too many characters popping in (like Lois Lane and Wonder Woman), and such hacky trite dialogue that I'm not convinced the two FEE-MALE writers of the series actually wrote the issues instead of like some corporate white men trying to write "girl power" dialogue that also showed respect for men. (Also there was a suddenly inserted line by Renee referring to transgender "women" victims. That everyone just ignores lol) It was totally out of place and actually worse than if they really did write some feminazi type dialogue instead, it would have been at least interesting. Also, the series had a few fill-in artists who did a few pages here and there and good god were they awful. Just the worst. Web comics have better standards. There was a panel of Black Canary talking to what looked like two elderly women, then like two pages later from the plot I realize they're supposed to be like 8th grade students. Either that or Helena isn't paying attention to who's jumping in on her field trips.

Detective was great because James Tynion IV is just fantastic. But I gotta say, Babs taking Bruce to task perfectly, only for it to degrade into a worse version of something already done in the same arc and everybody having a whole loving moment was disgusting. Also, man did he really write Spoiler into a fucking god at everything or what, jesus christ. She goes from legit earning Bruce's respect, only for her to resurface as hacker better than anyone ever in the comics, WHO CAN RECOGNIZE CODE BY PERSONAL QUIRKS AND UNDERSTAND HOW TO COUNTER IT, and gets inspired by visions of her two week stint as both Robin and Batgirl in the pre-New52 reality. At least he had the decency to setup Cassandra with her belief in the symbol.

And I'm not praising him just because he had Anarky explain the actual anarchist view to Spoiler who had confused it like everyone does for promotion of chaos. The last time the character did that routine it was just part of anarchist propaganda by the writer. :lol

A few of those other "non-cape" books I had read recently and thought were pretty good, some are series and I maybe name dropped some of them before so whatever: Clue (yes, like the game and film), Gideon Falls, Oblivion Song, Hadrian's Wall, Black Hammer, Joyride, Kill or be Killed, The New Deadwardians, Reborn, The Great Divide, Harrow County
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on May 02, 2019, 01:41:36 PM
I’ve been noticing a lot of cape books have terrible art lately.

Like even the return of wolverine has bad art.

Bad enough that I looked up the artist to see who he was, and then realized he’s drawn other stuff I liked.

But shit the art in that book is bad. They must be paying him like $5 a page or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 02, 2019, 09:29:45 PM
It feels like a lot of comic art went downhill over the last 15-ish years, but maybe that's just me.  There's clearly way more of a focus on the writers now.  It used to be the opposite in the 90s, and that was bad too.  Needs that happy medium!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2019, 10:03:21 PM
I mentioned it before, but both Marvel and DC tried to do a thing where they hired cheap non-industry artists and threw them gobs of work as part of a program that's intent was to help bring in outsiders and help them move up as industry artists. DC shut this down because it was a spectacular failure, Marvel just changed the program's specifications for years. Both of them have increasingly signed online artists (not even ones who do online comics but DeviantArt people) even though many of these have no history of working on comic book deadlines. Even the good ones that haven't been quietly shoved out of the industry still aren't fast enough so they're needing more and more backup artists, except they keep filling these from the same pools. There's a whole host of backup artists who are just passable enough to hit the deadlines that keep getting work. If you can do a full slate of work AND backup you're treated like a god.

DC puts out specials of one-off stories for these types of artists plus writers they've hired under similar circumstances and you can often tell from those specials just how bad their series are going to go. Usually the person can't write/draw even a 12 page thing with like a six month deadline.

That said, from what I understand, DC has been way smarter about the contracts they're signing with these people so they can effectively fire them or shunt them off to unimportant/dying books. While Marvel keeps signing them to do a years long run with no out on the contract. Marvel's editorial in general continues to be a mess though, they make Jim Lee and co. look like they know what they're doing most of the time.

Neither one has yet figured out a way, which this whole thing was supposed to solve, to stop the problem of the long delays in getting art done on time. It delayed METAL so much* that you thought for sure DC wouldn't let Doomsday Clock get hit but yet... and both companies are still having this problem with regularly scheduled stuff in primary books. I almost think you have to start thinking about NOT signing artists to more than one book, like kingv's example you can often tell where the artists are prioritizing. Some of those Birds of Prey issues have single artists credited yet it looks like three different people drew the same issue depending on the amount of panels on a page.

*DC pretty successfully hid this imo by adding more parts to the METAL tie-ins using that pool of backup artists...but they also knew about this kind of thing because it almost doomed Final Crisis after they cleared the field for it and wound up having to find a completely different artist to finish it, when it finally happened again for METAL they got to put this into operation and it turned out smart.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on May 02, 2019, 11:15:52 PM
It’s an interesting problem.

In some ways, the comics are less important than ever when the MCU is making a billion $ in a weeekend, and even really popular books aren’t cracking 100k issues a month.

But at the same time, what does the MCU even look like without a comics business to back it up? Probably lose trademarks on a whole mess of characters, and the comics feed the movies pretty directly in a lot of cases and having a shitty comic product is slowly going to affect everything else too.

In my humble opinion, I think even established artists work is getting worse on average. Imo Humberto Ramos work on Spider-Man in 2018 is worse than what he was doing in X-men or Spider-man a decade ago.

It might partially be a penny pincher for Marvel and DC...  but the whole thing is kind of weird to me. On a side note, I think $4 is just too much for a freaking comic too. With inflation it’s probably fair or something, but it just seems like a lot of money for 5 minutes of reading.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 02, 2019, 11:25:49 PM
I think they both still make money off the books in the end. I'm pretty sure the single issues are loss leaders, but the TPBs and now online versions are almost free money. I'm sure individual series absolutely aren't, but may have other reasons for existing. DC's habit of cancelling and then immediately reviving the same series over and over again seem to indicate there's more than just flat money at work. Batgirl in particular is a great example of this. The economics on her book have to look just awful over the last decade. But yet there's pretty much a new version of her in the lead for a book somewhere at any given moment. Lots of "big name" people want to write a Batgirl version be it Barbara or Cassandra or whoever.

As long as Image, Dark Horse, IDW, etc. continue to exist without gigantic parent companies to eat the losses I can't imagine DC and Marvel not continuing to put out the amount they currently do. Especially when as you note, they are now using the comics as cheap resources to produce IPs to then make epic bank on in their other media ventures. I'm absolutely convinced this is why Green Arrow's series has lived so long in recent years. DC cancelled him back in the day because nothing they did could prop up Ollie and even his collected editions didn't sell, but Arrow has totally changed the whole equation.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 03, 2019, 01:26:44 AM
I think marvel continues with the no names because they realize it doesn't affect the sales of big comics much and it's a better return for them than paying actual comic pros. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 03, 2019, 08:13:30 AM
marvel nerds explain.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hz7vbMB.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 03, 2019, 09:21:09 AM
marvel nerds explain.

(https://i.imgur.com/Hz7vbMB.jpg)

Marvel wants money.

Haven't read it yet- I guess Conan has been sent to the present and MARVEL BADASSES™ come together to do thangs.  Doctor Voodoo seems pretty out of place in that line-up.

EDIT: Looks like Conan was brought into the present 616 universe in another separate Avengers miniseries.  JFC, can't keep up with this shit anymore.

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Marvel has been looking for a home for Conan outside the context of the main series, and the publisher has landed on the idea of the Avengers. Avengers: No Road Home set up the status quo of Conan in The Marvel Universe relatively well, and his story continues in the pages of Savage Avengers #1. Readers are treated to the return of Infinity Wars creative team Gerry Duggan and Mike Deodato Jr. Each member of the creative team does a great job doubling-down on the irreverent bliss of the tone from Infinity Wars. The meat of the issue takes place towards the middle when Conan greets Wolverine with a brutal fight sequence. The battle between the two characters utilizes blocky characters and sound effects to portray an impressive level of violence. The sparse and chaotic dialogue evokes the carnal nature of Deodato’s artistic contributions to the issue incredibly well. The core flaw in the book is just how muddled and confusing Deodato’s work can be at times. It is difficult to logistically understand where some characters’ anatomy ends and other limbs begin. Deodato’s figures are so amorphous that it appears to be difficult for him to draw the same figure the same way twice. If Deodato’s superhero pencils were to work in any one ongoing series, it is hard for me to find a better fit for him than in the context of Savage Avengers. These more violent, muscle-bound heroes seem like a solid fit for his work.

Duggan does not get too far into the premise within this issue, but he does establish a strong relationship between the cast members. Readers only get to see the different cast members in the issue briefly. The story also does not clearly craft a mantra aside from being a title mostly focused on the adventures of present-day Conan. While the title does have an endearing, goofy nature, Duggan needs to integrate more character and personality into the scripts surrounding the cast members in the issue. Wolverine and Conan’s playful friendship and huge battle sequences are best from a scripting standpoint. The scene also depicts a strong lighthearted and naive side of Conan. If Duggan can craft more relationships like this in future issues, the book could potentially be onto something special.

Deodato’s artwork is concerning. The penciller uses massive, hulking figures with odd anatomy. These gargantuan characters don’t leave room for much for detail in panel backgrounds. The illustration for several team members include faces that look flat and emotionless. Deodato still does a great job creating a sense of movement in a couple of the action sequences. While Frank Martin tries to give Deodato’s work an appealing color palette, the oddly bright shimmer and hues of certain pages stick out for the worst. There has to be a better, more streamlined set of colors to make Deodato’s confusing art slightly less difficult to interpret. Deodato seems like he has a good time playing off Duggan’s physical comedy and action sequences. The layouts here are not quite as experimental as I have seen in other titles featuring Deodato’s pencils.

Despite clumsy artwork, Savage Avengers #1 is a solid way to kick off a new Avengers team. The fight sequence between Wolverine and Conan is almost worth the price of admission. I would recommend the title to anyone following or interested in the new direction for Conan in the context of the greater Marvel Universe. Savage Avengers is an amusing new direction for a few of Marvel’s most beloved anti-heroes.

Final Verdict: Savage Avengers #1 is a STRONG BROWSE that can fall in the buy or browse category at any moment going forward!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 03, 2019, 09:23:06 AM
Lots of "big name" people want to write a Batgirl version be it Barbara or Cassandra or whoever.

What I would give to someday write a Tim Drake slice-of-life series (https://i.imgur.com/hbyXqyc.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 03, 2019, 09:34:16 AM
Scanned through Savage Avengers #1 real quick- it's mostly a giant fight scene between Conan and Wolverine.  Takes place in the Savage Land (makes sense for Conan).  Doesn't introduce all the characters right away and is all Conan, Wolverine, and Voodoo.  Punisher at the very end and that's it. 

I like how Conan starts using "bub" because Wolverine says it so much and acknowledges Wolverine as being from the land of Pabst after Conan says he's from Cimmeria.   :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 15, 2019, 07:32:41 AM
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Writer Jonathan Hickman, who takes over the X-Men franchise with July's House of X #1 and Powers of X #1, says that the "entire line" of X-Men comic books will be canceled to coincide with the launch of the two biweekly titles.

“I didn’t feel like just doing a new number one was enough. I also didn’t think that if we were serious about what we were trying to do we should have a mixed message in the market about what an X-book is,” Hickman explained of the decision to ComicBook. “So I argued for cancelling the entire line: Why it would work, why it was a good idea, and most importantly, why it was what we needed to do narratively to return the X-Men to their rightful prominent position in the Marvel Universe.”

“We needed to sell the idea that this is what we’re going to be doing for the next few years. So if you want to read X-Men books during the run from late-July through September, House of X and Powers of X are the only new X-books available and everything that’s going to follow is based on them,” he continued. “We wanted to be clear to the fans, to the stores, and just as importantly, to the creators who are going to be staffing these books in the future. We wanted the message to be very clear: This is a whole new era for the X-Men. This is what we’re doing now. And so, POX and HOX is how we’re starting. It’s a solid plan, I think.”
House of X and Powers of X (to be read "Powers of Ten," like the Roman numeral) will run for 6 issues each over three months, with each title publishing on an alternating weekly schedule.

Following that, Hickman says Marvel plans to relaunch the X-Men line, with some "traditional" titles, and some new ideas - including a new core flagship X-title which Hickman will write. What's more, it's all part of a multi-year, multi-wave plan to revamp the X-Men. More information will be unveiled at Comic-Con International: San Diego in July.
“At the conclusion of our 12 weeks of HOX and POX, we'll be launching an entire new universe of X-books,” Hickman revealed. “Some will be traditional fare, some carry through on ideas presented in HOX and POX. Some books are completely new concepts. I, personally, will be writing the ongoing flagship X-book.”

“Now, we're already in production on all of these 'Wave 1' books and our plan at this moment is to introduce the titles, creative teams, and publishing details around SDCC, which is a week before HOX #1 goes on sale. We also just finished our plans for our 'Wave 2' books that will debut in 2020 and we're getting ready to hire talent for those.

LOL.  They only really just recently relaunched everything.  :lol
:neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 15, 2019, 07:35:51 AM
when are they bringing back Fantastic Four? :gopnik
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 15, 2019, 06:00:37 PM
when are they bringing back Fantastic Four? :gopnik

They already did last year.  Nobody cared.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 15, 2019, 06:02:05 PM
Uncanny X-Men #18 sounds like a trainwreck.

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As Wolverine makes good on last issue’s promise to leave the X-Men behind, the team teleports off to confront the Marauders, who they believe are responsible for another Morlock massacre, in a subway tunnel.

Though the Marauders protest their innocence of the attack – “If we did this, I’d be proud,” says Harpoon – but the X-Men still lay-on.

Finally, in the middle of the melee, Blockbuster surrenders, saying they’ll give up if the X-Men accept their innocence of the Morlock murders. Cyclops accepts their surrender – but Chamber, who was living among the Morlocks during the recent massacre, lashes out anyway, scorching the Marauders with his intense power.

As the Marauders are reduced to literal cinders, Harpoon’s last act is to stab Chamber in the back – mortally wounding him. “He’s gone. His energy just… Went out,” laments Jamie Madrox as Chamber dies in his arms. Hope finishes Harpoon off with a shot to the head.


With Chamber and the Marauders all dead, the X-Men return to their makeshift headquarters only to find it engulfed in flames thanks to Mr. Sinister, who says he’s taking revenge for the death of his Marauders.

Sinister fights the X-Men to a standstill, duplicating his body hundreds of times before combining all the duplicates into a colossal version of himself. Seemingly without options, Havok unleashes nearly his full power.

The blast reduces Sinister back to his normal state, and he surrenders to the X-Men -  though some think the win is “too easy.” Thanks to his exertion, Havok is left partially intangible from molecular destabilization, and is confined to a hospital bed while Sinister is taken into custody. Karma reveals that she’s built a new X-Mansion, donating it to the team before departing apparently for good.

In the aftermath, Havok and Cyclops argue over what happened to Chamber and the Marauders – and over the identity of Emma Frost, who know one but Juggernaut seems to have any memory of. In the Hellfire Club headquarters, Emma Frost and Mystique scheme against the X-Men – while Mystique suddenly receives a phone call from Scott Summers.

:what
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on May 29, 2019, 06:52:49 PM
https://aux.avclub.com/heroes-in-crisis-ends-by-failing-its-characters-its-re-1835060614

:yikes



(https://i.imgur.com/hm1bNeb.jpg)

:yikes :yikes :yikes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 07:03:42 PM
lol at after that totally unclear complaint about what he wanted he recommends fucking Sheriff of Babylon which takes the completely opposite view of what I think he seems to be suggesting King should have done here, Sheriff of Babylon completely and utterly is cynical about getting past your demons and doubts and all of the characters fail to do so to the point of both unintentional and intentional suicides
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This would have been a prime opportunity for King to bolster the sometimes ham-fisted central message that you are not alone with an even more important addendum to seek help from a mental health professional, but the dialog instead leans hard into the idea that community and a sense of belonging are somehow all Wally needs to be cured.
Babylon does the former but totally goes straight for the everyone is self-destructing path and every character rejects "help" from the non-sufferers because they're broken beyond repair

also, is it me or does the complaint about the community thing conflict with the "you are not alone" request from earlier in the sentence???

i haven't read Heroes in Crisis, for one was waiting for it to complete, but it never sounded like it was going to work because I couldn't imagine DC Editorial letting King write anything permanently into a character, especially not one as important as Wally West
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 29, 2019, 07:04:38 PM
really what King should have done is have Wally ditch his outfit and his identity and have a suit built that has hundreds of spikes inside that he wears forever in pain amirite Marvel fans :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 30, 2019, 02:46:17 AM
I'm upset that King's Batman run is being cut short.

confident this will work out if they listen to him - https://www.thewrap.com/batman-tom-king-new-gods-ava-duvernay/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 30, 2019, 03:00:28 AM
burner accounts trashing people on Hollywood sites is always fun:
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Jussie B Privileged • 2 hours ago

In an article earlier today, Ava played the PC victim card and said studios aren't letting her direct "genre films".

Sounds like she's directing this movie, a comic book movie, which is a genre.

Perhaps she is not aware that comic book movies are a genre. Someone needs to tell her. Maybe one of her staff can let her know if she doesn't. After all, her Net worth is 60 MILLION dollars. I'm sure she can hire someone to inform her of "genres".

She acts like she doesn't get any work, and that she's being discriminated against. When you're a multi millionaire (which she is), you are not struggling, and it's obvious studios are hiring her.

Self righteous tool.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on May 30, 2019, 04:56:33 AM
Tasty, please write me an internet filter that deletes everything related to the culture war
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on May 31, 2019, 08:29:24 PM
I haven't read X-Men maybe in 10 years, but I was in a comic store a few days ago and saw some recent issues.

Rahne Sinclair (Wolfsbane) died, and Banshee returned. But I thought he died?

Can anyone explain why/how he's back?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rufus on May 31, 2019, 10:17:25 PM
burner accounts trashing people on Hollywood sites is always fun:
Quote
Jussie B Privileged • 2 hours ago

In an article earlier today, Ava played the PC victim card and said studios aren't letting her direct "genre films".

Sounds like she's directing this movie, a comic book movie, which is a genre.

Perhaps she is not aware that comic book movies are a genre. Someone needs to tell her. Maybe one of her staff can let her know if she doesn't. After all, her Net worth is 60 MILLION dollars. I'm sure she can hire someone to inform her of "genres".

She acts like she doesn't get any work, and that she's being discriminated against. When you're a multi millionaire (which she is), you are not struggling, and it's obvious studios are hiring her.

Self righteous tool.
Signed off with his real name. :wtf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 31, 2019, 10:46:58 PM
I haven't read X-Men maybe in 10 years, but I was in a comic store a few days ago and saw some recent issues.

Rahne Sinclair (Wolfsbane) died, and Banshee returned. But I thought he died?

Can anyone explain why/how he's back?

IIRC, he was brought back by the Apocalypse Twins in Uncanny Avengers as the horseman of death and after that storyline, he went away for a while before being brought back as kind of a zombiefied version of himself on the X-Men.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on June 01, 2019, 02:50:48 AM
I haven't read X-Men maybe in 10 years, but I was in a comic store a few days ago and saw some recent issues.

Rahne Sinclair (Wolfsbane) died, and Banshee returned. But I thought he died?

Can anyone explain why/how he's back?

IIRC, he was brought back by the Apocalypse Twins in Uncanny Avengers as the horseman of death and after that storyline, he went away for a while before being brought back as kind of a zombiefied version of himself on the X-Men.

Thanks.

That sounds perfectly in line with every other bit of nonsense in the X-Men universe.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on June 01, 2019, 02:36:23 PM
Is Jubilee still a vampire? She should team up with zombie Banshee
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 01, 2019, 03:50:08 PM
Doomsday Clock is awesome, feels like it's carrying forward a lot of Johns' themes from Infinite Crisis which is best crisis. :heartbeat
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 01, 2019, 06:19:38 PM
Well obviously, but if we ignored every dumb controversy in comics there would be nothing to talk about. :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 01, 2019, 06:25:20 PM
Read through Brubaker's Kill or Be Killed over the last couple nights. Like all his stuff its a pretty well-written fast paced exciting thriller with twists and turns and very enjoyable. The ending is kinda weak though, some of the plot points are left kinda unresolved. Still a good read, I saw the rights were optioned by the John Wick director. I think it'd make a better couple season tv series than a movie but it could work as a movie.

One of the twists I liked was

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I liked the concept of there's this DEMON that tells him to kill people and he starts doing it and within 2 volumes he realizes oh shit it was all in my head because my drug dealer wasn't giving me the my anti-psychotic meds but valium instead, but now he's stuck in a cop/mouse/russians chase and has to try to find his way out.

But didn't like that they kept bringing up the IS IT REAL OR NOT with the demon and then never really resolve it. I think they should've just left that part alone for the 2nd half because as a thriller that's a good setup and that's all it needed to be.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on June 01, 2019, 08:18:32 PM
I'm so glad Brubaker seems to be ready for tv/film splashes. Love his work but I think a lot of it is wasted on comics. For what he does and how well he does it, I think he could be better on screen.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Read through Brubaker's Kill or Be Killed over the last couple nights. Like all his stuff its a pretty well-written fast paced exciting thriller with twists and turns and very enjoyable. The ending is kinda weak though, some of the plot points are left kinda unresolved. Still a good read, I saw the rights were optioned by the John Wick director. I think it'd make a better couple season tv series than a movie but it could work as a movie.

One of the twists I liked was

spoiler (click to show/hide)
I liked the concept of there's this DEMON that tells him to kill people and he starts doing it and within 2 volumes he realizes oh shit it was all in my head because my drug dealer wasn't giving me the my anti-psychotic meds but valium instead, but now he's stuck in a cop/mouse/russians chase and has to try to find his way out.

But didn't like that they kept bringing up the IS IT REAL OR NOT with the demon and then never really resolve it. I think they should've just left that part alone for the 2nd half because as a thriller that's a good setup and that's all it needed to be.
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I think he does resolve it effectively enough for the world created by the book by showing that it transferred. At that point, its reality doesn't matter.

Late to this, but I think the big mistake everyone is making here is to listen to every nerdgirl imaginable instead of reasonable complaints. It's something the industry learned a looooong time ago with manchildren. It's why you suddenly have an abusive relationship like Joker/Harley turn into Harley as a power fantasy for every teen girl in a phase and a psychopathic murderer's one true love.
Harley's own explanations of their relationship is so dumb now that it's hilarious. The only believable thing she's done regarding the Joker since Rebirth is stop him from dying from a virus. Nobody seems willing to write her without her going into a diatribe of excuses for the Joker's abuse because they know it has to be "addressed" at this point if you're stupid. She's no longer just a character who exists vis a vis the Joker, she's been in the Gotham City Sirens, worked with the Birds of Prey, has all of the Suicide Squad stuff, she has other relationships, but nobody can just ignore her original one and get on with it. Tom King is one of the few who managed this by having Batman realize the value of her medical skills and relationship with Ivy (and Selina) to grab her essentially out of a crowd of Gotham regulars.

Leading to that BATMAN HAS A MACHINE THAT PUTS HIS PANTS ON IN THE CAR panel. :delicious
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 01, 2019, 09:06:14 PM
Most origin stories are garbage and it's best to just accept them and move on. But for some reason, comics especially, can not ever stop obsessing over how a character originates. Look at how many times people have rewritten Superman's origin to try and "fix" elements.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 01, 2019, 09:26:13 PM
I'm so glad Brubaker seems to be ready for tv/film splashes. Love his work but I think a lot of it is wasted on comics. For what he does and how well he does it, I think he could be better on screen.

Yeah, Brubaker is a good fit for tv/movies because his stuff is good and exciting and has some original ideas but isn’t too artsy or weird to be indie. He’s basically quality & smart mainstream thriller writing with bit of strange.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 03, 2019, 11:47:21 AM
Is Jubilee still a vampire? She should team up with zombie Banshee

De-vampire'd and has her fireworks powers back:

Quote
After Monet falls under the influence of her brother, Emplate, and attacks the school, she fights Jubilee and takes away the medallion she uses as protection from sunlight. Monet then threw her out of the school and as the sunlight began burning Jubilee, Quentin Quire sacrifices the shard of the Phoenix Force he carried within him to save her from certain death, curing Jubilee of her vampirism and restoring her mutant powers in the process.

:dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 03, 2019, 11:50:29 AM
https://www.cbr.com/marvel-cebulski-teases-permanent-death/

Marvel Editor in Chief Teases More Permanent Comics Deaths
Quote
"I don't want death to be used to boost sales or to use as a shock value so people go 'Oh my God, Johnny Storm is dead!' or 'Wolverine is dead!' knowing that they're going to be coming back," the editor said at a comic convention in Sweden. "If we choose to do it now, we're going to add a little more weight and permanence to the decision."

 :crowdlaff :girlaff

How about just stop killing off characters, particularly ones popular enough that people are going to want them back?  You can have them retire or just take them out of whatever book rotation if you want to replace them with someone else for a time.  There's other things that can be done to drum up interest and sales apart from "death of" storylines. It's played out as hell.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 03, 2019, 01:58:02 PM
LOL it must be a rule that the comics industry is on a "tick-tock" cycle with regards to permadeath, like Intel's chipsets... one year it's "THIS IS SO FUCKING PERMANENT GUYS OMG ISN'T IT DRAMAAAAAATIC WHEN SOMEONE DIES???" and the next it's "Fuck, sales are down... aaaaaand REALITY PUNCH (https://i.imgur.com/CXaPSCw.png) everyone's back again!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 03, 2019, 02:00:08 PM
Also the more I think about it the more I kinda dig the ending of Heroes in Crisis... it's a shame the in-book dialog seems so dreadful and on-the-nose, though...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 03, 2019, 03:19:23 PM
I had hoped cheese bread cebulkski was the chosen one to turn marvel around, should have known I was wrong when I learned he was a weeb
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 03, 2019, 03:21:32 PM
Also the more I think about it the more I kinda dig the ending of Heroes in Crisis... it's a shame the in-book dialog seems so dreadful and on-the-nose, though...
I love Tom King's writing tbh with you, both when he's super abstract and blunt as fuck, I feel he knows where to use certain writing styles /fanboy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 03, 2019, 06:10:33 PM
King was god-tier on Grayson but mixed on Batman, and those are all I know him from really.


Batman: Three Jokers is 50% done:

https://twitter.com/jasonfabok/status/1135559324728737792

(https://i.imgur.com/iHDYFjx.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 03, 2019, 11:20:58 PM
Read Mister Miracle :maf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2019, 09:59:53 AM
Marvel :jeanluc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 04, 2019, 10:37:27 AM
What did they do now? Lmao
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2019, 12:23:37 PM
No I'm just an unrepentant *DC fanboy lmaooo

Will give MM a shot... after I clear my recent backlog.

Just caught up on Doomsday Clock, now I have to finish up pretty much all of King's Batman run, some the post-Rebirth-brand Detective Comics, and Adventure of Super Sons...

Though thankfully (lmao) DC isn't putting out anything good enough right now for me to add it to the pile, so I have some time to catch up. :lol

But this is pretty much how I consume comics... let my subs pile up for a few months then blast through it all when there's a lull.

Tho if a book is really great I'll try to follow it monthly.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on June 04, 2019, 03:00:53 PM
Mister Miracle is DC...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 04, 2019, 03:31:35 PM
Yeah MM is a Tom King book Tasty, New Gods n shit. Should be relevant to lord over movie fans as there's a new gods movie coming up
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2019, 04:25:52 PM
Jesus fucking Christ I'm getting too high lately (https://i.imgur.com/Nniug.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 04, 2019, 04:27:53 PM
How the fuck did I confuse that with his Vision run :doge

The wires in my brain are all sorts of fucked up :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 04, 2019, 11:04:39 PM
Pride month weed is best weed  :rogan
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Crash Dummy on June 06, 2019, 04:15:13 AM
https://twitter.com/neilaglet/status/1136275610240790528 (https://twitter.com/neilaglet/status/1136275610240790528)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2019, 02:59:54 AM
Transformers comics are great. IDW is great but I’m really surprised how good the Marvel line is too. Despite the cynical adage transformers was made to sell toys, I feel the comics and even toys help it rise above that mere label.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2019, 03:01:05 AM
Also I might have to start getting back onto Dc. They seem to have a lot interesting books out now. What’s good now?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 11, 2019, 06:25:52 AM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/10/rob-liefeld-predicts-the-collapse-of-dc-comics-soon/

(https://i.imgur.com/ImUtYwE.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 11, 2019, 06:26:44 AM
Also I might have to start getting back onto Dc. They seem to have a lot interesting books out now. What’s good now?

I'd usually be a good person to ask but Bendis has kinda ruined my parade...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 11, 2019, 08:07:22 AM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/10/rob-liefeld-predicts-the-collapse-of-dc-comics-soon/

(https://i.imgur.com/ImUtYwE.gif)

How can you not believe ROB!?  Rob, who had a falling out with DC and doesn't work for them!?  HE KNOWS WHAT UP

:neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 11, 2019, 09:12:43 AM
Also I might have to start getting back onto Dc. They seem to have a lot interesting books out now. What’s good now?
Read Mister Miracle :maf

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/10/rob-liefeld-predicts-the-collapse-of-dc-comics-soon/

(https://i.imgur.com/ImUtYwE.gif)
DC in disarray but not Marvel? :kek
bleedingcool? :kek
Rob Feetfield? :kek

all three of these not even once
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 11, 2019, 09:14:22 AM
Also I pretty much hate IDW with a passion, they're up for sale for a reason, mostly cause their books have been trash for a long time, sales have evaporated and their creators are toxic as fuck on twitter lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on June 11, 2019, 04:50:46 PM
Also I pretty much hate IDW with a passion, they're up for sale for a reason, mostly cause their books have been trash for a long time, sales have evaporated and their creators are toxic as fuck on twitter lol

transformers is good tho
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 12, 2019, 12:16:55 AM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/11/rob-liefeld-quits-twitter-following-dc-tweet-controversy/

(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/w:981/h:1519/q:auto/https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/crisisofrobliefeldstwitter-1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 12:23:29 AM
I'd usually be a good person to ask but Bendis has kinda ruined my parade...
Good news, guess who gets to be in charge of the next big company wide crossover?

Even better, he's reviving Morrison's Leviathan organization but changing it to be a Superman villain! With Talia replaced by someone "close" to Clark.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 12, 2019, 12:35:09 AM
oh no louis/jimmy villain again, oh no
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 12:37:42 AM
Pete Ross was the first one I thought of :lol

or "Lana" but it turns out to really be Pete Ross! Like that hasn't already been done a hundred times.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 12, 2019, 12:41:35 AM
Even better, he's reviving Morrison's Leviathan organization but changing it to be a Superman villain! With Talia replaced by someone "close" to Clark.

Maybe I'm just not going back to DC stuff until he's gone or moved to something irrelevant. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 12:41:53 AM
maybe they'll bring back Kenny Braverman (Conduit)! he was Hush (guy you never heard of who was apparently secret best friends with the hero as a kid and now years later wants to kill him) before Hush!

Based Snyder even put him in Man of Steel!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 12:42:58 AM
 :punch look at total this fucking 90s villain with his fuckin 90s gun :gun

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/ConduitKB.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 12, 2019, 12:45:47 AM
:punch look at total this fucking 90s villain with his fuckin 90s gun :gun

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/5f/ConduitKB.jpg)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQvvsmkQVc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 12, 2019, 01:02:21 AM
Even better, he's reviving Morrison's Leviathan organization but changing it to be a Superman villain! With Talia replaced by someone "close" to Clark.

TBH he doesnt affect me as I dont read super books
Maybe I'm just not going back to DC stuff until he's gone or moved to something irrelevant. 

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 12, 2019, 01:25:05 AM
I'd usually be a good person to ask but Bendis has kinda ruined my parade...
Good news, guess who gets to be in charge of the next big company wide crossover?

Even better, he's reviving Morrison's Leviathan organization but changing it to be a Superman villain! With Talia replaced by someone "close" to Clark.

Guess there's a reason Doomsday Clock and Super Sons are my only active subscriptions left, and they're both ending next issue. :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 12, 2019, 01:38:39 AM
how did Geoff Johns go from writing like five and a half books a month as well as ghost editing as many plus advising the films to you could tell me he was dead

he was writing like three Green Lantern books, The Flash, the groundwork for Flashpoint, the scripts for Green Lantern and Man of Steel etc. at one point :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 12, 2019, 01:47:23 AM
Yeah Johns went hard there for a few years, even writing big important JL arcs too. Probably burned himself out, though I'm not sure who's to blame for Doomsday Clock's delays.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 14, 2019, 10:09:48 AM
https://twitter.com/JorgeJimenezArt/status/1138051832289386496

(https://i.imgur.com/Rjlgs4Q.png)

Non-Bendis Jon 😭
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 10:09:20 AM
Been reading some New 52 garbage I never bothered with before like Aquaman (and the Others) and Green Lantern. AND RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS. lol at everything about Green Lantern and all the different colors and everything that happens and how they resolve literally every threat being basically the same. (OH NO THERE'S ACTUALLY A BIGGER THREAT!) The Red Lanterns series was surprisingly good though until the ending, the tone shift from the original premise a few issues in is jarring but wound up making the adventures more fun and something like Exiles.

Actually, the last few issues of almost every New 52 series I can think of falls into nonsense, once they were moving onto Rebirth and none of the new writers wanted to start before so they're all replacement writers pushing out only 3-6 issues that just go off the rails and nobody picks up on it after. I sorta remember something similar happening in the months before Flashpoint. Like that stupid Reign of Doomsday crossover in the Supes books. Lots of high quality awful art too. Especially in the Green Lantern books where they have to flesh out the backgrounds with random extra Green Lanterns.

Aquaman is especially bad about this, it spends like 45 issues building up all this new fun mythology for the character and Atlantis, then CONVERGENCE and all the sudden the art turns into complete garbage and suddenly Aquaman is a hunted homeless guy with a bunch of refugees who are never drawn consistently who Mera has ordered to kill and also the world is ending from a secret dark world but they wrap it quick because the New 52 is ending at #52 so everyone acting weird was because SHAPESHIFTERS and etc. IIRC, the same exact kind of thing happens to Wonder Woman and The Flash. Wonder Woman has Donna Troy suddenly show up with a new backstory and everything but they got ditch it and wrap things up because after Rebirth they're tossing it all out anyway. Justice League Dark basically falls apart, kicks out Zatanna and turns into an awful Constantine solo book. :lol

New 52 :american
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2019, 10:29:48 AM
Quote
RED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS

Fuck Scott Lobdell.

I'm still boycotting Happy Death Day. (https://i.imgur.com/FuqnPhm.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 10:57:20 AM
I think I actually liked his parts of Red Hood and the Outlaws more than James Tynion IV's even though I usually love Tynion's stuff, Lobdell makes it a dumb action book with an ongoing MacGuffin plot thing, Tynion tried to write too much mythos into it and include all the stuff from Batman and Green Arrow's worlds and the Titans and Ra's Al Ghul and Jason losing his memory and the League of Assassins and blah blah. The Starfire stuff that everybody complained out back when it first came out didn't turn out as bad as it seemed though I can see why most people would instantly read it as "dumb bimbo" rather than "finds human customs so weird and nonsense" especially if nobody read past the first issue. Not too far in to the series they randomly go to space and she's the same but now Jason and Roy are out of sorts and Starfire just explains something to another alien as "it's a human thing" and they go "Ah." It sorta works, I actually missed her character when the book went to without her. Joker's Daughter is a bad replacement, especially since the artists couldn't figure out how to draw her when she's supposed to be SIXTEEN.

Arguably the funniest thing is that the Helspont/Daemonite plot, which at the start of New 52 is in all kinds of books and he gets his own monologue issue to Superman and everything making it seem like it'd be some big crossover at some point, then he totally disappears, he's the final bad guy in Red Hood and the Outlaws before DC YOU kicks Starfire out, and he just randomly gets blasted by one of his own weapons and is vaporized. He even says something like "the Daemonite thing went nowhere, my new plan is better" when he shows up. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 11:33:37 AM
best Red Lanterns character:
(https://i.imgur.com/HsC6mSb.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 18, 2019, 11:42:42 AM
I miss all the different Lantern faction books.  I never really got into GL before New 52 and enjoyed the initial series that they had.

Arguably the funniest thing is that the Helspont/Daemonite plot, which at the start of New 52 is in all kinds of books and he gets his own monologue issue to Superman and everything making it seem like it'd be some big crossover at some point, then he totally disappears, he's the final bad guy in Red Hood and the Outlaws before DC YOU kicks Starfire out, and he just randomly gets blasted by one of his own weapons and is vaporized. He even says something like "the Daemonite thing went nowhere, my new plan is better" when he shows up. :lol

WTF :lol

My favorite New 52 stuff (some of it also pre New 52) is everything from Jimmy Palmiotti, Justin Gray, and/or Amanda Conner- mostly female character books but Palmiotti also did All-Star Western with Jonah Hex which was awesome.  It had ties to Batman with 1800s Gotham and even was part of the Court Of Owls event. 

The other books and reading order are something like Supergirl #13 (2007) -> Terra -> Powergirl #1-12 -> Harley Quinn (New 52) -> Harley Quinn & Powergirl -> Starfire, IIRC.  Are all pretty much self-contained and were a lot of fun to read.  I think they all moved on from DC after Starfire, but Amanda Conner still does covers here and there.  Need to see what Palmiotti has been doing lately. :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 18, 2019, 11:47:02 AM
Oh hey, they have a website: https://paperfilms.com/

Looks like he's done with comics for now and is making films.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 12:49:37 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18682802/jj-abrams-bad-robot-warnermedia-att-apple-netflix-streaming-wars

Potential bad news DC fans!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2019, 01:23:11 PM
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18682802/jj-abrams-bad-robot-warnermedia-att-apple-netflix-streaming-wars

Potential bad news DC fans!

Why?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 01:28:21 PM
Depends how you feel about bad robot's output, I haven't liked anything since fringe. In an exclusive deal with Warner, let's not think they won't try and pitch shows/movies based on their properties
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 01:30:23 PM
Bad Robot already had a deal with Warner's on TV, this is for its films. Plus Warners already paid $400 million to Greg Berlanti to keep him in their house.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2019, 01:31:59 PM
Oh.

Nah JJ's fine.

Nothing in the future of human history would be as bad as giving Snyder control, so I'm honestly pretty chill about whatever they do.

Fox, and even WB though with far less success, have shown that self-contained, smaller scale movies like Shazam and Logan can both work and please the normally-intractible comics nerds. If something isn't chained to a larger universe, it's allowed to be more creative and thus a bit closer to the comic books (I feel.)

I never got the impression JJ is one for cape movies though, he'll probably do one eventually to get it out of his system but the dude sees himself as Spielberg Jr., and I don't think Stephen's ever done a cape movie either.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 01:33:20 PM
JJ isn't the worst but his two lackies he assigns things he gets bored of are fucking terrible
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2019, 01:34:11 PM
Bad Robot already had a deal with Warner's on TV, this is for its films. Plus Warners already paid $400 million to Greg Berlanti to keep him in their house.

To be fair to Berlanti, the only one that comes close to his output and name cache is Ryan Murphy (signed recently to Netflix for big bucks, nache.)

And then you realize that Berlanti is producing 18(!!!) different series across like six networks and shit. So $400 mil might seem about right. :doge

And it makes sense Warners would be trying to lock JJ down after Murphy flew the coop.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 01:35:18 PM
Bad Robot already had a deal with Warner's on TV, this is for its films. Plus Warners already paid $400 million to Greg Berlanti to keep him in their house.
The Arrowverse is coming to an end really, with Arrow ending Flash not being too far away, Legends being not to tied in and Supergirl being well Supergirl, idk why they are even doing this new Batwoman show.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2019, 01:36:26 PM
JJ isn't the worst but his two lackies he assigns things he gets bored of are fucking terrible

I think they're all broken up and have been for a while... At the very least I haven't heard anything about Orci in forever, and Kurtzman's busy running/ruining Star Wars (this is contingent on how Picard turns out.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 18, 2019, 01:39:35 PM
Bad Robot already had a deal with Warner's on TV, this is for its films. Plus Warners already paid $400 million to Greg Berlanti to keep him in their house.
The Arrowverse is coming to an end really, with Arrow ending Flash not being too far away, Legends being not to tied in and Supergirl being well Supergirl, idk why they are even doing this new Batwoman show.

I wouldn't be so sure. I think their intention is to have a rolling stable of shows debuting in the universe to keep people engaged when the older shows eventually wrap up (as Arrow's doing.)

Arrow: 2012
The Flash: 2014
Supergirl: 2015
Legends of Tomorrow: 2016
Batwoman: 2019

Honestly they're probably waiting for some of the shows to end before starting up new ones... You can tell they found a good stride to keep things together after Legends launched and they had four plates in the air.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 01:40:56 PM
Rumour is he was kicked from Picard and this deals seems to effectively curb future BR star trek
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 01:42:03 PM
I don't think anyone is going to watch any of those shows once Arrow and Flash is done. Legends is a legitimatly fun show but no one cares.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2019, 01:46:34 PM
The CW has fewer slots than other channels because it only does 8-10 and S-F. So it's capped at 12 slots and they're also doing the Archie spin-offs using the Arrow model now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 01:50:27 PM
I dunno what the fuck is going on with DC universe, but the shows on there is legit fantastic, Doom Patrol is my favourite cape TV show of probably forever and the Swamp Thing stuff didn't start bad. People seem to like Titans (I don't) but yeah most of that stuff seems good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on June 18, 2019, 03:52:22 PM
Sorry to inform you this, but Swamp Thing was cancelled after it’s first episode.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 18, 2019, 05:06:41 PM
Yeah I know, aren't they still airing the 10 episode run though?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on June 19, 2019, 01:19:32 AM
I believe so, I just didn’t want you getting too attached to a dead show walking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 19, 2019, 05:12:36 AM
:heart
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 19, 2019, 05:13:19 AM
i'm going to have to assume Doom Patrol is dead too and that show is legitimately excellent :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 20, 2019, 01:53:56 PM
Momo, guess who!!

https://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-is-writing-a-spider-man-comic-1835689544

Wow, that cover is... really bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 20, 2019, 09:09:08 PM
Momo, guess who!!

https://io9.gizmodo.com/j-j-abrams-is-writing-a-spider-man-comic-1835689544

Wow, that cover is... really bad.

Thankfully the cover artist isn't doing the rest of the art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 20, 2019, 11:47:43 PM
Cant be worse than the current shit Spider Man is  :trumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 21, 2019, 10:54:22 AM
I kind of like most of Nick Spencer’s run.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 21, 2019, 01:06:51 PM
DC Replacing All Imprints With Age Labeling System - Goodbye VERTIGO, ZOOM, INK (https://www.newsarama.com/45716-dc-elminating-all-imprints-including-vertigo-zoom-ink-shifting-organizational-approach-to-age-labels.html)

Oh good, just when I was getting used to things.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 23, 2019, 12:58:15 PM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/22/removing-vertigo-ink-zoom-dc-comics/

Didio straight up admitting they're gonna censor books now that the Teen+ (15+) rating is gone leaving just "DC" (13+.) Some of the republished Teen+ books may hit Black Label unaltered, but the majority are going to have to deal with a lower age rating.

Fantastic. I don't see this backfiring at all.

Man, Batschlong really fucked things over. And I don't even know why. Who cares if an explicitly 17+ gated book shows a dong? And for that matter, why care whose dong it is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 23, 2019, 12:59:40 PM
Sorta glad Bendis presaged all this so I could mostly bail out of comics and DC early, cause if this happened last year and it involved some books I liked, I'd be nerdraging like no one's business.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 23, 2019, 03:16:22 PM
:yikes

Guess I'm sticking with Marvel.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 24, 2019, 01:56:25 AM
Even if DC gets worse, it never gets near Marvel level trash  :trumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 24, 2019, 09:37:53 AM
Even if DC gets worse, it never gets near Marvel level trash  :trumps

Bad thing is I can see the current direction leading to that kind of ruination...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 24, 2019, 10:03:23 AM
Even if DC gets worse, it never gets near Marvel level trash  :trumps

They're all trash :trumps
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 24, 2019, 10:26:38 AM
That's true :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on June 24, 2019, 10:56:55 AM
Excited for Hickman X-men though.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 24, 2019, 12:02:55 PM
Excited for Hickman X-men though.

Yeah, definitely.  X-Men has needed something like this for years so looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 24, 2019, 02:35:07 PM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/22/removing-vertigo-ink-zoom-dc-comics/

Didio straight up admitting they're gonna censor books now that the Teen+ (15+) rating is gone leaving just "DC" (13+.) Some of the republished Teen+ books may hit Black Label unaltered, but the majority are going to have to deal with a lower age rating.

Fantastic. I don't see this backfiring at all.

Man, Batschlong really fucked things over. And I don't even know why. Who cares if an explicitly 17+ gated book shows a dong? And for that matter, why care whose dong it is.

Serious question, do kids even read comics anymore?!

I always figured the industry stays solvent primarily based on adults who read them as kids + a way to keep trademarks current for movies.

Edit: also weird because dc’s market share had went up a good amount over the last few years, so the current t strategy seems to be working.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 24, 2019, 06:59:47 PM
It's amazing what giving a shit about characters and continuity can do to a brand (Rebirth.)




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BENDIS :ltg
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on June 25, 2019, 12:47:35 AM
BendUS  :foxx


Quote
Edit: also weird because dc’s market share had went up a good amount over the last few years, so the current t strategy seems to be working.
I suspect this is mostly since Axl Alonso fucked up Marvel and people jumped ship, DC changing this shit up is weird yeah, Marvel is still out there clowning, DC is writing the better books so I dunno why. Havent checked the sales numbers in a good few weeks though so there might be a clue there.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on June 29, 2019, 05:04:44 PM
I did check sales and dc still looked liked it was doing pretty well. Certainly better than they were in the new 52 years. I figure this will probably not work outnfor them, even though I do think comics appropriate for like 12 year olds does kind of make sense to have out there, but obviously not st the expense of their existing fan base.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2019, 04:32:38 AM
I never understand why they always try overhauling the entire line when both companies, DC especially, have always had plenty of success marketing to multiple customer bases, or why they think people "look for the DC bullet" to mean anything except DC characters

DCYOU was a hilarious disaster in which about the only things that succeeded were the ones specifically against the attempted "diverse-culture-aware" branding changes like Tom King's stuff, the tryhard "Gen Y/community" Robin stuff all fell flat on its face and they pretended it never happened, Rebirth pretty much completely wiped out "Batgirl of Burnside" except for her dopey outfit, they killed that Superman rather than try to fix what they did to him, nobody even mentions Gordon-Bunny-Batman, etc.

And stuff like Batman goes against what DiDio is talking about, it's been a darker series both visually and thematically than a lot of DC stuff since the 1970s, lots of visual violence, murders, mental illness, etc. and none of the books have ever been shuffled off onto Vertigo, which was never always purely a place for "mature" readers as much as it was a label for the non superhero books or ones totally outside the DCU (or only wink-wink associated) stuff like Swamp Thing got shuffled there because it stopped being about him having superhero type exploits and he started hanging out with gods and demons and trees instead of Superman
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 30, 2019, 04:57:53 AM
lmao at this being an actual variant cover

(https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/372623756435_/Sinestro-16-2015-Dc-Comics-Grumpy-Cat-Monsters.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 30, 2019, 11:15:32 PM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/30/her-name-is-rien-and-shes-wolverines-daughter/

Another one!?  :dizzy

(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/w:937/h:1442/q:auto/https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/marvel-comics-presents-006-007.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 01, 2019, 02:05:12 AM
why.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 01, 2019, 03:17:34 PM
Wolverine has weak pull out game.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: D3RANG3D on July 01, 2019, 03:19:30 PM
Eel is pissed off rn in his retirement home.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2019, 03:21:06 PM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/06/30/her-name-is-rien-and-shes-wolverines-daughter/

Another one!?  :dizzy

(https://mlpnk72yciwc.i.optimole.com/w:937/h:1442/q:auto/https://www.bleedingcool.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/marvel-comics-presents-006-007.jpg)

Looks like Valkyrie or female Thor... stunningly creative character design right here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 01, 2019, 03:21:48 PM
Fuck, could even be Emma Frost tbh...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 01, 2019, 03:42:04 PM
That's Valkyrie/Fhor/zatanna lip girl. Blandest design ever
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2019, 09:34:17 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TkKj7rX.png)

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(https://i.imgur.com/DBNWZNQ.png)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 01, 2019, 09:47:21 PM
That's Valkyrie/Fhor/zatanna lip girl. Blandest design ever

Female Thor is the mom.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bluemax on July 02, 2019, 01:18:56 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/TkKj7rX.png)

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(https://i.imgur.com/DBNWZNQ.png)
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Batman makes quips now?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 02, 2019, 01:33:27 AM
thanks marvel!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 02, 2019, 02:06:10 AM
Batman has been increasingly doing quips since All-Star Batman & Robin's "goddamn Batman" as almost every writer has wanted to parody it at one point. Those are from like 2014.

To be fair, that is an amnesia suffering Batman who just before tried to get Lois Lane to bang while dressed as Batgirl instead of preparing for the massive fight he starts with that motorcycle. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 02, 2019, 02:57:29 AM
The only time I really see Bats 'quip' is when it's Bats and Cat, I dont really read so much off brand Batman  :snob
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 03, 2019, 02:33:32 PM

To be fair, that is an amnesia suffering Batman who just before tried to get Lois Lane to bang while dressed as Batgirl instead of preparing for the massive fight he starts with that motorcycle. :lol

(https://i.imgflip.com/yapc5.jpg)

Wut
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 04, 2019, 12:51:24 AM
Tom King's The Omega Men :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 04, 2019, 01:24:32 AM
Tom King's everything :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 04, 2019, 03:07:51 AM
Tom King's Grayson :rejoice

Tom King's Batman :larry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 04, 2019, 05:44:45 PM
My local Books-A-Million (I assume other stores are doing it, but I haven't confirmed) are clearancing out a bunch of TPB/HC comic collections for super cheap. A lot of New 52 era DC stuff, and I assume the Mahvel stuff is probably similar time period. Saw some cool stuff like Vol 1 & 2 of Grant Morrison's Doom Patrol and Vol. 1 & 2 of Alan Moore's Miracle Man mixed in there.

I ended up buying the first five HC volumes of Conner/Palmiotti's Harley Quinn for $1.50 each. They were marked $7.97, then reduced to $3, then 50% off. :money
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2019, 11:12:22 PM
It's good to see that Robert Kirkman was feeling the same way about the series in his essay in The Walking Dead #193, that hero worship of Rick is lulz. He should have tied that original ending in to one of the time skips.

Still think the prison and not say, Negan or worse, the Whisperers, was the peak of the series. Invincible similarly out ran the plots, and at least there half the people weren't all drawn the same way.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 05, 2019, 11:52:27 PM
Monitoring the Past: DC Comics' Crisis on Infinite Earths and the Narrativization of Comic Book History (http://imagetext.english.ufl.edu/archives/v6_2/friedenthal/)

comic nerds in academia using historiography as applied to comics internal histories  :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 06, 2019, 07:06:27 PM
It's good to see that Robert Kirkman was feeling the same way about the series in his essay in The Walking Dead #193, that hero worship of Rick is lulz. He should have tied that original ending in to one of the time skips.

Still think the prison and not say, Negan or worse, the Whisperers, was the peak of the series. Invincible similarly out ran the plots, and at least there half the people weren't all drawn the same way.

It’s hard for me to pinpoint the peak, but the first 100 issues was all a pretty good run.

In issue #100 when Glenn died, I was like “fuuuuck, they killed glen”. By the time they tick died, I was like “huh, they actually killed rick”.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 01:57:32 AM
I still liked it almost all the way through (same with Invincible even if I dislike its time skip a ton) but there was something about that first time it truly felt like they were safe for a while and that some characters were going to be near untouchable, and the prison changed all that. I also appreciate it for how you can see Kirkman first truly grasping just how his villains will be humans and the zombies are best used as background noise that's inserted into things the humans start.

They effectively find a defense against the zombies and they become just a minor nuisance to the day to day life (and even start to become one even outside the fence), it doesn't break until the Governor drives a tank through the fence. Really, it's such an obvious mistake that Rick should have better planned Alexandria for it after seeing it done with a fucking tank. :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 02:12:32 AM
Also, having been catching up on various series through their New 52 runs I need to rescind and modify my statement about DC's art not being as shit as Marvel's, it's much closer than I thought, drawing Batman well apparently is easy.

Look at Diana and Supes' faces in this panel, but especially Diana's, the rest aren't all that great either, Cyborg is doing some weird stuff with his waist:
(https://i.imgur.com/X2r1ih8.png)
what the fuck was his reference photo for Diana's head on that body, also look how far down her arm the elbow is lol

bodies bending in general seems like a thing some artists can't do, I've stared at way too many panels wondering if the artist has never seen the 99% of people with a normal spine and hips

this is the next full page panel in the issue:
(https://i.imgur.com/X3jACBD.png)

her face/body goes back and forth between decent like this and whatever is happening in that above image, and it's the same artist, this happens for like five straight issues every other page

the artist also happens to be the husband of the writer :doge

this is also the time they gave Diana that new outfit people got upset about so it randomly disappears after having a big deal made about it meaning something as her being a WOMAN not a GIRL (even though she was never Wonder Girl so...), only nobody seemed to tell the cover artists so she still has it on the covers; they also they make a big deal about Donna Troy getting a new outfit too, then she entirely disappears, it's like a curse :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 08, 2019, 02:27:44 AM
How did i miss this :lol
(https://i.imgur.com/NuPLKaL.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/03wqADM.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 02:34:10 AM
https://twitter.com/djeljosevic/status/1118180306731712512
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 02:38:46 AM
does a comic exist if nobody's ever read it like Bounty and Kim/Kim?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 08, 2019, 04:30:20 AM
This seems like some dumb shit to get offended over.

Almost all fiction is derivative. This is like triple+ true in comics of all things, where almost every new concept is “he’s a mix of x,y,z” or “he’s like Y but EVIL” or just “he’s dc’s version of Z”

He’ll isn’t the whole entire point of the squadron supreme is that “they are basically the justice league?”
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 08, 2019, 04:36:49 AM
yeah, and the champions of angor/lord havok and the extremists/the maximums are the avengers in dc, grant morrison even made earth-7/earth-8 in the dc multiverse officially earth-616/ultimate marvel (i forget which order) except in name

although the empty hand did kinda take over earth-7 and kill everyone but thor
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on July 08, 2019, 12:13:48 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/YAYR4Zo.jpg)

:thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 09, 2019, 01:04:06 AM
:lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bluemax on July 09, 2019, 01:42:10 AM
It's good to see that Robert Kirkman was feeling the same way about the series in his essay in The Walking Dead #193, that hero worship of Rick is lulz. He should have tied that original ending in to one of the time skips.

Still think the prison and not say, Negan or worse, the Whisperers, was the peak of the series. Invincible similarly out ran the plots, and at least there half the people weren't all drawn the same way.

I think at some point after the Prison, I realized that the series was just going to be repetitive "humanity is the real monster" nonsense with important people dying any time the sales flagged. Knowing that Kirkman had no planned end point helped as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 10, 2019, 03:18:29 PM
https://screenrant.com/superman-dc-comic-superboy-future-legion/

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Those who have been following Bendis's changes to the Superman line of comics may have also been able to guess (perhaps cynically) that after turning Superboy from a child to a teenager, the Legion will now show up to remove him from Lois and Clark's world completely.

FUCK
BENDIS
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 10, 2019, 03:23:01 PM
bend us sama
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 11, 2019, 04:59:55 PM
you guys ever read Alan Moore's proposal for a DC supercrossover: Twilight of the Superheroes? It's been copyright stricken off the internet (which helped confirm it being real) but the internet never forgets of course so...

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Neil Gaiman
"Well, your description sounds exactly like the description of Twilight I got from Alan one afternoon in 1986, so I'd assume it's the same thing."

Dave Gibbons
"I've had a look at the Twilight file and have no hesitation in declaring it the real McCoy. I can't recall if I ever actually read it way back then or if Alan told me about it (which amounts to the same thing, content-wise!) in one of our three-hour phone calls. I vividly remember the bit with Dollman in the vivarium!"

Chris Miller
"I have no idea where the original was obtained, but I have an Nth-generation photocopy courtesy of a friend in CAPA-alpha. It's 39 pages long, and definitely genuine Moore. He proposed it circa 1986, right after Watchmen. He worked out everything in tremendous detail, including merchandising possibilities, a springboard for a (then-nonexistent) John Constantine series, and even a very clever time bubble idea that would have 'opened up' DC's single-earth continuity without actually undoing the effects of the Crisis."

Intro: https://web.archive.org/web/19970411102312/http://www.hoboes.com/html/Comics/Twilight/twilite1.html
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Firstly, as I see the commercial side, taking into account what Paul was kind enough to pass on to me, the perfect mass crossover would be something like the following: it would have a sensible and logical reason for crossing over with other titles, so that the readers who were prompted to try a new title as a result of the crossover or vice versa didn't feel cheated by some tenuous linkage of storylines that was at best spurious and at worst nonexistent. It would provide a strong and resonant springboard from which to launch a number of new series or with which to revitalize old ones again in a manner that was not obviously crassly exploitative so as to insult the reader's intelligence. With an eye to the merchandising that Marvel managed to spin out of Secret Wars, I think it's safe to assume that if it were possible to credibly spin role playing games, toys, "Waiting for Twilight" posters and T-shirts and badges and all the rest of that stuff from the title, then that would be a good idea too. Ideally, it might even be possible, while appealing to the diehard superhero junkie, to produce a central story idea simple, powerful and resonant enough to bear translation to other media. I mean, I know that I'm probably still intoxicated by the Watchmen deal, but it never hurts to allow for these things as a possibility, does it?

A long way to get to the start of his pitch: https://web.archive.org/web/19970411102325/http://www.hoboes.com/html/Comics/Twilight/twilite2.html
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At some point during his unwanted stay in the future, Rip Hunter has met a twenty-years-older version of John Constantine, who, as ever, seems to be a prime mover behind the scenes in the events going down in this world. Prior to Hunter's escape, Constantine circa A.D. 2000 has told Hunter that he must find and enlist the aid of John Constantine circa 1987, who will help him in alerting Earth's super-people to the possible danger waiting in their future and thus avert it. This Constantine and Hunter proceed to do, crossing over into a couple of current books in the process, or merely making phone calls and writing letters if a guest appearance was too much trouble for the various creative teams involved--they could also talk to a few people in the pages of Twilight itself, this narrative providing the stuff that makes up this linking/framing device, as the two prophets of doom meet different reactions to their tale of a nightmare future waiting to claim the world. The mechanics of this as a crossover device, as explained above, allow all the creative people involved to do or not do whatever the hell they please while still directly or indirectly involving them in the concept of Twilight as a whole. Think how much mileage the Thor writers have got from the idea of the Norse Gods trying to do something to prevent Ragnarok, or fearing that Ragnarok was about to come upon them and I'm sure you'll get the possibilities.

The World: https://web.archive.org/web/19970411102334/http://www.hoboes.com/html/Comics/Twilight/twilite3.html
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The world of Twilight is not a world where the superheroes have deliberately taken over, but one where they have inherited the Earth almost by default as various social institutions started to crumble in the face of accelerating social change, leaving the superheroes in the often unwilling position of being a sort of new royalty. Even though government and civic authority has all but disintegrated, the various areas of America each have their own coteries of protecting superfolk to look after them, and the superheroes have thus tended to group into clans, each looking after a certain province. There are numerous "Houses" of this nature dividing America up into a kind of feudal barony system effectively, in terms of politics if not in terms of technology, which is as advanced as one might expect by 2000 A.D.
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At the time in which our central Twilight storyline takes place, there are eight "Houses", each containing a different superhero clan, scattered across America, although as we shall see some of these are pretty well abandoned or non-functioning in any active sense. I'll deal with these one at a time, and introduce our main characters along the way, House by House.

The Eight Houses: https://web.archive.org/web/19970411102342/http://www.hoboes.com/html/Comics/Twilight/twilite4.html
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House of Steel
This is one of the two most powerful clans, and it dominates the eastern seaboard around New York and environs. Alternatively, if I change my mind it could be outside America altogether and set in the Arctic Circle, based around a new Fortress of Solitude. This is because the House of Steel consists of the clan founded by Superman--we have Superman himself, a morally troubled figure who doesn't know what's best to do about the chaos he sees surrounding him, but who has come to accept that the Houses provide the only real permanent structure in a destabilizing world and are thus important to maintain. Superman has married and raised a couple of kids, and the person that he has married is Wonder Woman, who has had an identity change to Superwoman to accommodate her new stature--we see the genuine and powerful love between these two in the face of the perils of the world surrounding them and the desire to do what's best. They are also troubled by their two offspring--one of these is a new Superboy, and he's about eighteen when the story opens, and he's real bad news. The other child is a less delinquent Supergirl, a new one who, like Superboy, has been born of the union between Superman and Wonder Woman but who is much kinder and gentler, more her mother's child. Having three members in the Superman class and Wonder Woman (Superwoman) herself, they are obviously a clan to be reckoned with.

House of Thunder
The House of Thunder is the other major power, and possesses members with power in the same class as that of the House of Steel. The House of Thunder is composed of the Marvel family, plus additions. Captain Marvel himself is the patriarch, and is if possible even more estranged and troubled by the state of the world than Superman is, perhaps because the Marvel family are having to come to terms with the difficulties of having human alter egos along with everything else, a point I'll return to when I outline the plot. Alongside Captain Marvel, there is Mary Marvel, who the Captain has married more to form a bona fide clan in opposition to that of Superman than for any other reason. There is also Captain Marvel Jr., now an adult superhero every bit as powerful and imposing as Captain Marvel in his prime, but forced to labor under the eternal shadow of a senior protégé. To complicate things, Captain Marvel Jr. and Mary Marvel are having an affair behind the Captain's back, Guinevere and Lancelot style, which has every bit as dire consequences as in the Arthurian legends. The other member of the Marvel clan is Mary Marvel Jr., the daughter of Captain and Mary Marvel Sr. Mary Jr. is fated to be part of a planned arranged marriage to the nasty delinquent Superboy during the course of our story, in order to form a powerful union between the two Houses. Peripheral to all this but perhaps interesting, somewhere in the House of Thunder (which rises up from the middle of Los Angeles over on the west coast, by the way) there are quarters occupied by those characters from the Fawcett universe who can no longer cope with life in an increasingly realistic and difficult outside world. These include a sad and aging Mr. Tawky Tawny and perhaps even Mr. Mind. Please don't laugh... I think I can make it work. The Houses of Steel and Thunder face each other across the country, with the various minor Houses and constellations gathered somewhere in between, vying for the power that's left over after the two major Houses have had their share.
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House of Titans
One of the two foremost clans making up this collection of lesser Houses is a clan composed of the remains of the Teen Titans, now grown up and a hell of a lot grimmer and more frightening than they ever were in the past. They are led by an adult Nightwing ...

Other Characters: https://web.archive.org/web/19970411102350/http://www.hoboes.com/html/Comics/Twilight/twilite5.html
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Okay, so that's about it for the Houses. Not all the superheroes, however, are actually members of clans. Those who aren't in clans are almost totally inactive, and for the most part inhabit one of the rundown barrio areas of either Gotham or Metropolis, both cities transformed beyond anything we've seen previously by the passage of time and change. The way I see it, the scenes in the barrio will take up much of the book and will probably be some of the livelier ones. The barrio is a superhero slum where all the old heroes come to die. As I see it, almost every passerby, shopkeeper and incidental background character there used to be some sort of super character or other twenty years ago. A lot of them are drunks, some of them are hookers or panhandlers; the majority eke whatever living they can out of dead end jobs, while there are a few who have actually adapted to their changed circumstances quite successfully and certain others who still actively carry on their own personal vendettas against injustice, albeit secretly. I'll list these various characters one at a time, mainly because I have fairly specific ideas about all of them that I'd like to get across so that you'll know who we're talking about before I get on to the actual plot. Most of the following have been altered almost beyond recognition, so this is fairly necessary.

The Plot Itself: https://web.archive.org/web/19970411102407/http://www.hoboes.com/html/Comics/Twilight/twilite6.html
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And that's it. I hope you can see how it's meant to fulfill all the requirements mentioned earlier. There are opportunities for new characters to get a springboard, old characters to get a shot in the arm and all the merchandising you can handle in terms of games and stuff, at least as I see it. The warring Houses idea sounds ideal for role-playing games, or maybe even a video game. The overall continuity is hopefully enhanced without being damaged in any irreversible way, and I think we might get a damn good yarn out of it in the bargain. Anyway, I seem to have gone on far longer than I intended, so I better wrap this up. I'll be looking forward with interest to hearing what any of you have to say about all this when you've had a chance to read it. If any sections are incomprehensible and need clarifying then please give me a call.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 11, 2019, 06:17:15 PM
Time bubbles kinda sound like the original idea for hypertime.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 11, 2019, 06:32:53 PM
Also the rest of that Twilight pitch sounds like what I had heard of, and obviously you can see the DNA shared with Kingdom Come later on too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 12, 2019, 08:10:10 AM
Imo kingdom come is overrated and people only really it so much because of the painted art.

If that shit was drawn by like dan jurgens it’d be remembered about as fondly as Bloodlines.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2019, 09:09:56 AM
Nah I dig the overall plot, the characters' motivations, and how things go down at the end. The epilogue is good too.

I can't say whether Injustice did the same concept but better, however before Injustice it was really the only major "bad future" type work with dubiously canonical status in the DC universe, and that was pretty exciting even years and years after it first came out.

The art is a mastwork though, and I agree it does outshine the rest of the work.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 12, 2019, 09:21:02 AM
I don’t think Kingdom Come is bad, I enjoy it too and have probably read it 3 or 4 times. It just never really sticks with me.

I probably need to read it again to have a more fully formed opinion.

It’s a hell of a lot better than Planet X though, lol.

That series is super weird and Barely makes sense... also, I think it is canon... or was.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 12, 2019, 09:23:19 AM
Earth x, not Planet X.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 03:14:44 PM
Kingdom Come was just a superman story with a bunch of cool character designs. A story that been done a thousand times before.

Earth X was more of a twisted celebration of the Marvel Universe and all it's weirdness. You had Tony Stark turning into Howard Hughes, a broken Captain America bumming around a former America trying to figure out what to do next. Cyclops fighting for mutant rights in a world full of mutants. And the twist at the end was so crazy, it still shocks me too this day.

Plus Mutant Hawkeye is the shit, dead during the story, but still hilariously awesome

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https://www.resetera.com/threads/comic-era-is-it-wrong-that-i-think-earth-x-marvel-is-a-better-story-than-kingdom-come-dc.128506/  :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 12, 2019, 03:57:53 PM
:doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 12, 2019, 05:30:13 PM
I like warren ellis so now that I saw he'd actually finished his planned run on the Wild Storm reboot, I read it, and it was pretty good.

I guess its easier to do a universe wide reboot when
a) you have someone who actually has something to say and a plan with where they're going in charge of the whole thing
b) nobody really gives that much of a fuck about that universe in the first place nowadays, so you're not constrained by expectation

e:
but it is fucking strange that he is writing magnificent bastard Henry Bendix as Spider Jerusalem
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 06:02:16 PM
Ellis didn't even miss too many deadlines on The Wildstorm, I think he had much of it pre-planned/written since it was always supposed to be a limited series.

Trying to integrate Wildstorm into the New 52 was a hilarious disaster, especially Stormwatch.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 12, 2019, 07:12:53 PM
Ellis didn't even miss too many deadlines on The Wildstorm, I think he had much of it pre-planned/written since it was always supposed to be a limited series.

Trying to integrate Wildstorm into the New 52 was a hilarious disaster, especially Stormwatch.

yeah, the wildstorm universe just doesn't fit the dcu main at all, and he's not even trying, so its a pretty interesting take on using all of the elements it always had and doing a from scratch rebuild of its own self contained universe, and I guess it sold enough to get a sequel greenlit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 12, 2019, 08:37:29 PM
I quite liked much of Wildstorm post Alan Moore's rewrite of WildCATS. Especially The Authority and Sleeper.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 13, 2019, 05:37:31 AM
Doomsday Clock #11 is now delayed to AUGUST 28th. Originally was March 27th, got delayed to May 22nd which obviously didn't happen since #10 didn't come out until the 29th. That's after the original delay because it was supposed to have ended in December 2018.

I have no idea how Johns actually resolves this story in a satisfactory way anyway. All the plot points are going to crash together at the end of #11 and #12 will have the JSA sending the Watchmen folx back to their universe and re-establish them as young enough again to play in the DC Universe like after Zero Hour. Nothing is actually going to be truly resolved.

It's amazing how much nonsense they are undergoing because of their regrets of doing New 52 after they did it, and extending it all the way back to undo Crisis. This will be 21 issues (counting Convergence) over four years to erase Crisis with a literal deus ex machina personified while also NOT touching the canon established post-Flashpoint because Johns is too canon-explained-obsessed. The funny part is this is Infinite Crisis repeated again, only like then and like the New 52, nobody's actually going to go play in the Multiverse (OR Metaverse) anyway except Grant Morrison while everyone else ignores what he tees up for them. Plus because of the delays pushing it so far past the "one year later" it was supposed to be they've already established that Doomsday Clock isn't going to be canon immediately anyway, much like with the Three Jokers nonsense.

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Superman is hitting Doc so hard his comic is being shunted further into the future in real life
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 13, 2019, 09:26:40 AM
Three jokers will he explained in the 10+ dc universe I guess.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 13, 2019, 11:37:23 PM
aren't there 2 chapters left of Doomsday Clock?

Also how does it work in the current timeline of the broken source wall, etc  :doge

Comic continuity is a hell of a thing  :-\
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 02:44:43 AM
Doomsday Clock was originally supposed to take a year to produce, and it was set a year ahead of every other book. So that when it finished the other books would have caught up to it in the timeline. Except, this obviously didn't happen as the book has fallen a year behind and now every book has already caught up and surpassed it in the timeline. So DC has kicked it out of canon in terms of not requiring any writers to hold back and wait on it and will decide later what does or does not count about it.

To make a chart of sorts for the purposes of ease I'm ignoring the "sliding time" scale and setting the publishing date as "the present" so when the first issue of Doomsday Clock came out the time periods were:
Every other DC book: November 2017
Doomsday Clock: November 2018

This blew up when they did two delays, so by May 2018, the books were set at:
Every other DC book: May 2018
Doomsday Clock: January 2019

Then when the second wave of delays happened it left a situation where they had already nearly lined up:
Every other DC book: December 2018
Doomsday Clock: February 2019

And now we have:
Every other DC book: July 2019
Doomsday Clock: April 2019

by the time Doomsday Clock finishes, it could be in story timeline a year behind every other DC book, that's why they aren't able to fix the canon, and they can't use any of the story reveals in the other books as it would reveal the Doomsday Clock story so everyone is just ignoring it

I think the canon thing is best illustrated by how clearly DC Editorial has told Bendis he didn't have to kill time waiting on Johns and that he could go ahead and do his Legion relaunch as well as setup his crossover as DC has already setup blocks in the schedule for all of these even though they have no clue when Doomsday Clock is going to finish, there's also been a rumor that DC has another year-long weekly (ala New 52 Futures End, Batman Eternal, etc.) prepped to go that starts this year so they're clearly not waiting on Johns for that

apparently this whole thing may actually be Johns fault, as there's been very few rumors about Gary Frank's art being this far behind, one rumor was that when Doomsday Clock #1 came out, Johns hadn't yet cracked what would be happening in #3 and #4; the rumors weren't too well sourced but if you go back and look at the issues you can see there's a TON of time being killed on the Marionette and neo-Rorschach in those issues and that the issues after Manhattan finally showed up in #7 have totally ignored all these characters
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 08:35:30 AM
It was kinda daff to make this whole shebang canon in the first place... I understand that was the point, but you really need to hit a monthly schedule if you're essentially legit holding up the entire line storyline-wise...

Honestly the entire thing kinda feels like an Elseworlds anyways... Probably owing to it being more of a Watchmen sequel than a typical DC crossover event.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 08:38:56 AM
apparently this whole thing may actually be Johns fault, as there's been very few rumors about Gary Frank's art being this far behind, one rumor was that when Doomsday Clock #1 came out, Johns hadn't yet cracked what would be happening in #3 and #4; the rumors weren't too well sourced but if you go back and look at the issues you can see there's a TON of time being killed on the Marionette and neo-Rorschach in those issues and that the issues after Manhattan finally showed up in #7 have totally ignored all these characters

Following the series, this is the impression I've gotten... 3 and 4 were great from an artistic standpoint, and really enjoyable in a vacuum, but yeah "wasting time" is totally apt.

Johns was also the holdup on New 52 Shazam (not Frank), one of the few bright spots around that reboot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 08:41:18 AM
Also, I believe Johns said himself that they announced Doomsday Clock before he even had a solid plot for it, so I buy that rumor even more.

Edit- Ah it was the Rebirth special when they first hinted at Watchmen. I assume by The Button things still weren't fully in place and they were trying to figure out what Doomsday Clock would be like.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 08:50:00 AM
The Button was hilarious, literally nothing happened
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 09:00:53 AM
This whole thing after the last few issues has seemed like a lengthy setup to bring back the JSA, but I don't really see the point if Johns or James Robinson aren't going to write it because like nobody else even cares about those characters

I do, I loved the JSA run pre-New 52 by those guys, and it was part of why I liked Earth 2, even as it fell apart after Robinson left, but DC barely touches any of this kind of stuff, Earth 2 was shoved into a storyline ghetto, Earth One has just done origin stories really, they sat on Multiversity when the whole point was to clearly label all the various Earths so people could do series with them, etc.

Oh well, I guess I should take solace in the fact they aren't trying to rewrite and rebuild the characters as ever so slightly different every other year like Superman or Diana or even the extended Bat Family (Drake, Batwoman, etc.). :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 09:02:05 AM
The Button was hilarious, literally nothing happened

It was basically telling Batman what the audience knew. I get the idea behind the comic; it's better if the DC characters know part of wtf is happening before shit goes down, but yeah it's basically just a pre-commercial for Doomsday Clock.

"Tune in next time to figure out what the hell this means!"

(It means Watchmen are in the DCU, we know this, we've known this since Rebirth, we know Dr. Manhatten screwing with things caused the New 52.)

Although I will say the latest(?) issue, or the one before, showing

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Manhatten constantly changing things to get different outcomes, and skipping around time with that actor as a framing device --  THAT was fucking great.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 09:08:20 AM
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Oh well, I guess I should take solace in the fact they aren't trying to rewrite and rebuild the characters as ever so slightly different every other year like Superman or Diana or even the extended Bat Family (Drake, Batwoman, etc.). :lol

I'm OK with them rewriting and rebuilding Drake, as each time they do they take a half-step back towards making him the Tim I knew pre-New 52.

Edit- This even sort of includes the dumb "Savior" shit, because that plotline at least still showed him as associates of the same Cassie and Conner as the pre-New 52 Young Justice golden era. And it gave a bit of hope that the Kon-El/Tim bromance that was wiped out by New 52 might come back.

Also that Tec run with the Bat-family was fantastic. That and Batman Eternal show how to make some of these characters really shine, but without anybody hogging the spotlight for too long.

Part of me hopes Doomsday Clock's conclusion pulls a Superman Reborn, just with every character's pre- and post-New 52 selves merging instead of only Superman and Lois. (Though that was building on years of plotlines starting in Convergence...)

Honestly Convergence and DCYOU may have been mega failures, but narratively Convergence is probably Crisis-level with how important it's become and how much it shifted things back in a good direction. Rebirth was honestly just repackaging a lot of that, just with much better marketing and some fans being thrown a bone (Supes' undies, hey-oh.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 09:08:57 AM
Yeah, that was probably some of the best stuff in the series so far.

I do wonder how many of those references to Crisis, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Flashpoint, etc. went over people's heads since the series is selling to more than us hardcores. That issue was based entirely around Manhattan staying static as the DC universe kept rebooting itself and moving forward in time in the real world owing to his confusion. I quite liked the part where he kept getting confused about Clark's birthdate jumping forward every thirty years.

One thing I think has gotten totally dropped is that in Rebirth and The Button, the whole thing was that "somebody stole ten years" except we're clearly far beyond that with what Manhattan is going to do or has done already.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 09:15:00 AM
Yeah, that was probably some of the best stuff in the series so far.

I do wonder how many of those references to Crisis, Zero Hour, Infinite Crisis, Flashpoint, etc. went over people's heads since the series is selling to more than us hardcores. That issue was based entirely around Manhattan staying static as the DC universe kept rebooting itself and moving forward in time in the real world owing to his confusion. I quite liked the part where he kept getting confused about Clark's birthdate jumping forward every thirty years.

By my count I think the Dark Knights had more references to various Crises, although I think they were slightly more subtle than "DURING THE LAST CRISIS, HERE'S WHAT WENT DOWN."

I think that stuff plays like comic book references in comic book movies; hardcore fans go "oh neat!" but it's just wallpaper to the rest of the readership.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 09:16:05 AM
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One thing I think has gotten totally dropped is that in Rebirth and The Button, the whole thing was that "somebody stole ten years" except we're clearly far beyond that with what Manhattan is going to do or has done already.

My assumption has been they're going to soft-retcon that from "someone stole 10 years" to "doc M messed with the timeline and shit and even WE don't know what's changed!!" [insert obvious 'we can redo anybody's origin again' plan to print money]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 09:19:07 AM
Also a "static" viewpoint of the DC universe constantly rebooting is why I love the Psycho-Pirate and why I feel DC should use him in that capacity more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 09:27:21 AM
I liked that aspect of METAL with it definitely going for the "downside" of the multiverse angle, all these worlds that went horrible, targeting the one that went "right" and the direct use of Morrison's multiverse map. It was similar to Forever Evil in that regard, but had much more of a "real threat" feeling than that did, especially since they put the Crime Syndicate "on the run" from the get go.

Of course, I really loved The Multiversity (much like 52 and Final Crisis), but Morrison has handled the original Crisis the best from the start with his Animal Man stint immediately after. METAL really tied into Morrison's whole Batman run.

One other thing I liked in the recent fight issue was Captain Atom disintegrating Doctor Manhattan. Captain Atom is the DC version of the Charlton Comics character that Manhattan's an expy of. (As a side note, the only Captain Atom stories I seem to like all involve him exploding himself. Generation Lost, Wildstorm: Armageddon, etc.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 09:29:15 AM
Morrison's Batman run I think is a perfect counterpoint to what Johns is doing. Morrison went and said "all those Batman stories, they're true, it's just even Batman doesn't know how to explain them" whereas Johns likes to write these grandiose EVENTS that have to explain every little detail. It really fucking bogged down his Green Lantern epic. Blackest Night's central storyline (i.e. not all the tie-ins) by Johns has no business being twelve fucking issues, when stuff only happens in like four of them. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 09:29:42 AM
Captain Atom exploding himself is most of what I know about the character. :lol Him and Firestorm, seems like that's all they do sometimes.

Yeah I dig how they ended up using the Forever Evil people, killing some of them off is easy but I always like when a previous major storyline has a major impact on a newer one. #continuity
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 09:34:22 AM
when Justice League International/Europe was kinda a more comedic book back in the 80s/early 90s, there's an issue where Captain Atom blows himself up and nobody cares "because he'll be back" and he was in the next issue
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 14, 2019, 10:49:44 AM
Captain Atoms DC-integrated back story was that they stuck him on top of a nuke covered in an alien metal shell to see what would happen, and it punched him forward through time (and coated him in that metal) so yeah, him exploding and getting shunted forward through the time stream was a thing that happened to him on the somewhat regular
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 14, 2019, 11:12:24 AM
Captain Atom exploding himself is most of what I know about the character. :lol Him and Firestorm, seems like that's all they do sometimes.

Yeah I dig how they ended up using the Forever Evil people, killing some of them off is easy but I always like when a previous major storyline has a major impact on a newer one. #continuity

Makes me think they should have called new 52 forever young.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 12:34:42 PM
that's Earth 1 buddy!

Quote from: https://www.dccomics.com/characters/earth-1
For a handful of heroes, Earth-1 is that proverbial unknown of the Multiverse. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and the Teen Titans may be household names to us, but rest assured, these are not the seasoned veterans with storied histories we’ve come to know and love.

On the newly formed Earth-1, these heroes are just starting out. They’re untested, raw and prone to rookie mistakes. They’re learning on the job. Sounds rough, right? Not entirely. They also have a tremendous drive to protect those who can’t protect themselves. As a result, they have the courage to emerge as the first heroes of this infant Earth. 

Will they succeed? Their futures are blank slates, where nothing is certain. Remember, no one said being first was easy.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/2f/34/8b2f348b5c9bbb1780098be8855e2a90.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2019, 12:37:36 PM
since I mentioned it, Earth 7 and 8 are the Marvel ones, 8 especially look at the logo lol:
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/c9/38/63/c938634c5abc3c657ec21e5c307762bf.jpg)(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/da/ef/29/daef29bf1ec197da8fcaa972805b0df4.jpg)
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For generations, life on Earth-8 passed like it does on our world. Largely uneventful, and when problems did arise, they were handled easily by the world’s large population of super heroes. Until a day finally arrived like no other, and Earth-8’s strongest heroes were forced to unite against a common threat. The Retaliators were born!

Not quite what you were expecting? Perhaps that’s the best way to describe this world, populated with heroes such as the patriotic power soldier known as American Crusader, the lightning-charged warrior god Wundajin, the massively-morphing, quick to anger monster known as the Behemoth and the scientifically-minded, elementally-powered foursome known as the Future Family. Alongside such figures as Machinehead, Ladybug, Stuntmaster and the “neo-human” heroes of the G-Men, they keep their world safe from threats like the destructive Lord Havok and the Extremists.

On Earth-8, a life of heroism often comes at great sacrifice to the man or woman behind the mask. Faith in heroes is in short supply and mistrust can run rampant. Perhaps the people of Earth-8 should talk to some of their alternate world counterparts, who turn out in droves for movies featuring the very heroes they’re shunning.
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A rich world vibrant with culture, community, art and commerce. Earth-7 shared a similar history and development with Earth-8, down to its numerous heroes. Many of Earth-7’s greatest protectors had close counterparts on Earth-8. While the differences between the two were subtle, the potential held within this world was great.

Therefore, it should be seen as nothing less than tragic that Earth-7 was the first to fall to the Gentry. Billions of people and hundreds of super heroes perished, the world surviving as a mere shell of what it once was. Where there was intelligence and vibrancy, now only madness and death remains. The laws of physics shattered, Earth-7’s reality has been twisted and corrupted.

The sole survivor of the cataclysm was Thunderer, a powerful hero who was saved by the last of the Monitors and sent to the House of Heroes to rally help.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 01:14:46 PM
They really nailed it with Morrison's Multiverse map. That should honestly have been the status quo for 30+ years or something. There's no reason big Crisis events can't mess with all the worlds within it, because the structure itself is flexible to narratively support that.

Fucking Didio.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 14, 2019, 03:47:58 PM
They really nailed it with Morrison's Multiverse map. That should honestly have been the status quo for 30+ years or something. There's no reason big Crisis events can't mess with all the worlds within it, because the structure itself is flexible to narratively support that.

Fucking Didio.

I guess the editorial worry is you end up with an Ultimate Marvel situation where your spin off universe is better written and more interesting for writers than your 'real' line is

e: and on a completely unrelated note, Ellis The Wild Storm is pretty, pretty good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 14, 2019, 05:02:42 PM
They really need an earth where all the 90s wildstorm stuff is canon even if never used.

Also, all this talk about crisis on infinite earths reminds me how dumb superboy prime is. He’s just a complete trash Deus ex machine character every time they want to reboot everything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 05:24:29 PM
Like most things in comics, he was great in his first appearance and misused ever since.

And I'm counting Infinite Crisis as his real, first, proper introduction as the villainous character he'd end up becoming in latter-day DCU.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 14, 2019, 05:30:45 PM
I used to think DC’s approach to continuity was better because they actually try to tie it together, t honestly,  the ties are so tenuous and confusing I now don’t really think any of it was worth it.

Maeve has always just kind of said “everything that happened happened” and everything that didn’t happen didn’t happen” and just selectively ignored shit or brought it back as needed for current stories instead of trying tie it all up neatly.... except in the ultimate universe.

I just don’t think it’s possible to tie it all up across as many books as dc and marvel publish.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 05:51:56 PM
It's possible as DC's proven at various points, but it takes actually giving half a fuck which editorial leadership has never been particularly great at.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 14, 2019, 06:39:47 PM
They just need to turn the reins over to bendis so he can fix it :phil :cody
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 14, 2019, 06:59:00 PM
They just need to turn the reins over to bendis so he can fix it :phil :cody

:gun :gun :gun :gun :gun
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 15, 2019, 02:06:17 AM
Earth-41 is basically Image Comics' universe so Wildstorm more or less, Earth-35 and Earth-48 have stuff in common too, a few characters. Though 48 is kinda Alan Moore's Top Ten combined with some other stuff.

Morrison left seven unexplained Earths so they could be filled at some point. The Wild Storm could sit on one of those if it's not on the above.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 15, 2019, 02:15:46 AM
tbh, i hopped off the doomsday clock shit a while back, around 4 or 5, shit just isnt for me (he says knowing this will fuck all the chars I love).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 15, 2019, 09:11:09 AM
tbh, i hopped off the doomsday clock shit a while back, around 4 or 5, shit just isnt for me (he says knowing this will fuck all the chars I love).

Shame, it picks up around then and gets preeeetty good.

Though I say that without knowing the conclusion.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on July 17, 2019, 11:22:39 AM
holy shit i need this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bitxB5vp8a4

DC needs to transplant this story into batman. Don't make it a crossover, adapt a character inspired by Light.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 17, 2019, 03:43:18 PM
Get Morrison in there for all of it  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2019, 10:33:59 PM
been reading some older 80s stuff, in this particular case the original rebuilt The Question series, which is right before DC figures out Vertigo, so it's in that weird awkward space where they stuck "FOR MATURE READERS ONLY" on the cover of a bunch of books that went everywhere from Alan Moore's erotic Swamp Thing to this series which has Batman show up and is basically only a slightly more "mature" Batman series (though Vic doesn't kill either even against Lady Shiva who seems to make an exception for him too like Batman lol), and one of the villains thinks he's Abraham resurrected to sacrifice Isaac, and it's a little more "yeah they fucking" though never shows it but I can see why DC stuck it in that limbo before ending it

but the funny part is arguably more the art because it's not as tight nor timeless as the story, like Vic starts randomly growing the world's most absurd mullet and nobody can identify him as The Question despite the fact that nobody else is wearing hair like this on the entire planet, also he goes literally everywhere and talks to everyone in both identities, also his non vigilante identity is GUY ON THE TV NEWS, every woman start packing in the shoulder pads like crazy and then there's some weirdly questionable racial art that's funny, because O'Neil will write otherwise generic thugs with random linguistic quirks and I'm not sure he went beyond that for these one or two panel, maybe a page, guys but the artist drew them all the same way, two black dudes, one in a wife beater, one in the world's most absurd 80s jacket with hat that says RUN DMC on it and a shirt that says BEASTIE BOYS, and the latter guy is always the stupid one...it's like Vic (and everyone else) keeps running into the only two black guys in the city, gets them in trouble and beats them up over and over

then he gets to a story where Vic goes out into the suburbs and O'Neil clearly establishes it's the white flight for Hub City, but it puts in a line about how it's started to see problems as Hub City collapsed economically/etc. and suddenly BAM standing like next to a random store on main street is wife beater black guy :lol

also like every DC comic of this era, any drugs = crazy LSD trips or DYING FROM ONE SHOT OF HEROIN

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when I take over DC I'm going to write a canon explainer that wife beater dude moved out to the suburbs to get away from rap dude and Vic beating him up every month only to see him driving through the suburbs and he said SHIT THAT GUY and tried to turn his life around
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by moving to Gotham :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 21, 2019, 11:14:43 PM
https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1152637203492683776

 :stahp
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 22, 2019, 12:58:06 AM
tbh, i hopped off the doomsday clock shit a while back, around 4 or 5, shit just isnt for me (he says knowing this will fuck all the chars I love).

Shame, it picks up around then and gets preeeetty good.

Though I say that without knowing the conclusion.
Does fake rorschach ever find Batman's coco pops? :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 22, 2019, 07:56:42 AM
Lots of new info on the upcoming X-Men line relaunches- Hickman decided to re-use various team names instead of making new ones...why? 

The biggest thing that made me go "huh!?" is them making Psylocke the new Captain Britain- what happened to the old Captain Britain?  And then they're making Kwannon (who came back to life in her own body after they gave Betsy back her CAC bod) Psylocke-- not gonna confuse people at all.  :doge 

If you're in it for Hickman, he's writing X-Men and at least the first few New Mutants issues.

Summers Family with Wolverine X-Men #1:
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The X-Men find themselves in a whole new world of possibility… and things have never been better! Jonathan Hickman (HOUSE OF X, POWERS OF X, SECRET WARS) and superstar artist Leinil Yu (NEW AVENGERS, CAPTAIN AMERICA) reveal the saga of Cyclops and his hand-picked squad of mutant powerhouses!

I don't like the 60s-era Marvel Girl costume for Jean Grey.

Excalibur #1:
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Mutantkind has always been special…as has their relationship with the world—or WORLDS—around them. As this new era dawns, a new connection forms between mutants and the magic of the world… and that of Otherworld! Can the new Captain Britain forge a new way through the chaos with her companions Rogue, Gambit, Jubilee, Rictor…and Apocalypse?!?

Weird team line-up.

MARAUDERS #1:
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Even in this glorious new dawn, Mutantkind faces hardships and oppression from their human counterparts. Led by Captain Kate Pryde and funded by Emma Frost and the Hellfire Trading Company, Marauders Storm, Pyro, Bishop and Iceman sail the seas of the world to protect those hated and feared!

Why does Kitty look like she's 14 here?  :lol

NEW MUTANTS #1
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The classic New Mutants (Sunspot, Wolfsbane, Mirage, Karma, Magik, and Cypher) get together with a few new friends (Chamber, Mondo) to seek out their missing member and share the good news… a mission that takes them into space alongside the Starjammers!

I hope somebody explains how Chamber and Wolfsbane, who were both recently killed off, are back.  :doge

FALLEN ANGELS #1
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(http://Psylocke finds herself in this new world of Mutantkind unsure of her place in it… but when a face from her past returns only to be killed, she seeks help from others who feel similar to get vengeance. Cable and X-23 join Kwannon for a personal mission that could jeopardize all Mutantkind!)

Where is X-23's little sister/buddy Gabby?  Why the hell is Cable with the two of them?  But hey, Jim  Lee-era Psylocke costume is back.  That's something I guess...?

X-FORCE #1
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X-Force is the CIA of the mutant world—one half intelligence branch, one half special ops. Beast, Jean Grey and Sage on one side, Wolverine, Kid Omega and Domino on the other. In a perfect world, there would be no need for an X-Force. We’re not there… yet.

Wolverine and Domino as "special ops"- yes.  Kid Omega?  Huh?  ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 22, 2019, 10:13:33 AM
Did they ever explain why havok is no longer grumpy?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 22, 2019, 01:47:51 PM
Did they ever explain why havok is no longer grumpy?

He got turned "villain" because of the Axis mini-series and was one of the few characters who stayed inverted (Sabertooth was a good guy for several years after and Iron Man stayed a "bad buy" until they just ended Superior Iron Man and ignored everything when Secret Wars started- lol, comics) for a while, then in one of the X books got reverted back to a good guy and something was done to fix his face later on.  TL;DR none of that shit mattered.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 22, 2019, 03:55:15 PM
Axis was definitely the best event.

I think saber tooth is still sort of good. Unless they undid that recently.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on July 23, 2019, 04:12:51 AM
I just want to say i hate you all and Tom King's Batman is great
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2019, 10:00:27 PM
Chamber is still getting promoted to top tier teams randomly? He's such a weird choice for a once Generation X character to continue being popular. Didn't he melt away the rest of his body at some point and not just his jaw? I take it he got better.

I have a soft spot for the Phalanx Covenant because it started out as such a fun idea for a "new status quo" with basically no explanation of how things got to that point before it got trashed and then swamped by the Age of Apocalypse.

IIRC, the regular X-Men characters are barely even in the storyline until Cyclops and Jean show up to save the day with Wolverine at the end.

Plus that version of Sabertooth was in retrospect a clear test run for the AoA Sabertooth who led into the Exiles Sabertooth who is the only official canon Sabertooth imo.

Speaking of which, where's Blink? Does this mean there's a new Exiles that won't suck? I'll take another hundred issues of that please, thanks Marvel. (No, I refuse to look up anything regarding "new" Exiles since that second failed relaunch.)

Speaking of which, I was reading some of the early Ultimate X-Men for the first time a few weeks back, and apparently Mark Millar somehow had never read any X-Men before? Claims he only saw the film. (Perhaps first two?) Yet...every character was like maximum stereotype version of the character? Even Rogue talked like at least the cartoon version's extra-exaggerated accent instead of Anna Paquin. I think he's lying.

Does fake rorschach ever find Batman's coco pops? :thinking
Alfred made him more pancakes. Also he got some more at Arkham.

Now that I'm actually thinking about that, I realize they never ever show Bruce eating in the dining room, Alfred always has to bring him stuff and basically force him to eat in the cave.

So my only conclusion is that they leave out pancakes in case someone breaks into the Manor as a trap. I prefer this to be the case than any actual intent of Johns. Although, Bruce doesn't seem to be upset about the pancakes, Alfred is well aware of their status though...

Speaking of which, Johns of all people should know better than to show a Jane Doe in Arkham who's highly interested in others identities considering, you know, Jane Doe, the literal identity thief who's often in Arkham...it wasn't until she was revealed as Saturn Girl that anything before made any sense because I thought it was actually Jane Doe :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 24, 2019, 05:32:32 AM
that sexy 1980s hardboiled erotic noir style
(https://i.imgur.com/Hrh8f2Z.png)

 :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 24, 2019, 07:13:54 AM
my head canon is that Rorschach never actually eats anywhere other than shitty diners where he can pocket a load of sachets to utilise as impromptu pepper spray or whatever, like a less full-on Condiment King
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 24, 2019, 08:45:35 AM
Chamber is still getting promoted to top tier teams randomly? He's such a weird choice for a once Generation X character to continue being popular. Didn't he melt away the rest of his body at some point and not just his jaw? I take it he got better.

I posted this earlier but it was lost in-between all those images- they recently killed Chamber and Wolfsbane.  Not something that matters much in Marvel comics, sure, but an explanation on why both are suddenly alive and well would be nice.

I have a soft spot for the Phalanx Covenant because it started out as such a fun idea for a "new status quo" with basically no explanation of how things got to that point before it got trashed and then swamped by the Age of Apocalypse.

What do you mean?  The Phalanx had been introduced as a big threat already at that point and the backstory is them having infiltrated the X-mansion and replaced nearly everyone except for the few who are the initial focus of the story.  I really enjoyed that storyline, too.  It was a lot of fun.  :) 

IIRC, the regular X-Men characters are barely even in the storyline until Cyclops and Jean show up to save the day with Wolverine at the end.

IIRC it was a few individuals/groups in their own books battling the Phalanx before coming together at the end and freeing the rest of the X-Men.

Plus that version of Sabertooth was in retrospect a clear test run for the AoA Sabertooth who led into the Exiles Sabertooth who is the only official canon Sabertooth imo.

Don't see that- 616 Sabertooth was a psycho and was chained/muzzled up.  He only helped because he was going to get 'replaced' too if he didn't.  Can't remember if this storyline was before or after he beat Psylocke badly.  Funny that years later, Claremont would have AoA Sabertooth and 616 Psylocke hook up.  :doge

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Speaking of which, where's Blink? Does this mean there's a new Exiles that won't suck? I'll take another hundred issues of that please, thanks Marvel. (No, I refuse to look up anything regarding "new" Exiles since that second failed relaunch.)

Was back in a recent-ish Exiles series that got canceled for low sales as usual.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2019, 08:12:51 AM
What do you mean?  The Phalanx had been introduced as a big threat already at that point and the backstory is them having infiltrated the X-mansion and replaced nearly everyone except for the few who are the initial focus of the story.  I really enjoyed that storyline, too.  It was a lot of fun.  :) 
IIRC, the plot just kinda came out of nowhere. Like prior issues were end of a regular X-Men storyline, then BAM next issue turns out everyone's actually a Phalanx replacement and they've gotta escape. And even in the spin-off books it's all side characters suddenly.

I haven't looked this up, this is just how I recall it from 1994 or whenever this happened. I was much more prone to missing issues back in those days though.

I think that's why Sabertooth was in captivity, for Psylocke, but I meant how he was looking out for the youngins rather than bailing completely or just being a wild beast, the AoA/Exiles version was strong on that character addition. I consider it like an authors sketch of the idea, not one that they imparted to the 616 version directly but something they had been toying with and had an opportunity to test. You're right that it probably seems like that more in retrospect than anything. :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 25, 2019, 10:33:47 AM
and on a completely unrelated note, Ellis The Wild Storm is pretty, pretty good.
did you read Michael Cray?

also he's going to do Wildcats starting at the end of August
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 25, 2019, 12:08:47 PM
and on a completely unrelated note, Ellis The Wild Storm is pretty, pretty good.
did you read Michael Cray?

also he's going to do Wildcats starting at the end of August

nah, because its a spin off not written by Ellis.
I'll enjoy the Authority Covert Action Team TPB in however many years that'll be when that comes out
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 25, 2019, 01:15:47 PM
What do you mean?  The Phalanx had been introduced as a big threat already at that point and the backstory is them having infiltrated the X-mansion and replaced nearly everyone except for the few who are the initial focus of the story.  I really enjoyed that storyline, too.  It was a lot of fun.  :) 
IIRC, the plot just kinda came out of nowhere. Like prior issues were end of a regular X-Men storyline, then BAM next issue turns out everyone's actually a Phalanx replacement and they've gotta escape. And even in the spin-off books it's all side characters suddenly.

I haven't looked this up, this is just how I recall it from 1994 or whenever this happened. I was much more prone to missing issues back in those days though.


Yeah, that's correct.  I didn't have a problem with that- it wasn't important to the story IMO.  Kind of movie like in that it just gets right to the action....and appreciated since that was during an era where you'd have all these X-Men issues of various characters just "doin' thangs" and hanging around the mansion sulking about whatever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 26, 2019, 03:36:52 PM
Oh, I didn't have a problem with it, I wish more comics would start in media res.

Comic movies especially I've long advocated that they just do this as most origins are wastes of time, but everyone wants to retell origin stories for some reason. Superman is afflicted with this even in his books, every writer seemingly wants to do a new origin version when they start.

Man of Steel I thought was actually going to be decent with this at first with just the parts of nomad worker secret hero Clark, but you don't pay Kevin Costner for just a couple flashbacks. (Not to mention all the Krypton shit.) One of the better things about BvS is how it doesn't even bother with Batman (aside from a ten second shot while Bruce is dreaming) and Wonder Woman nor Luthor, it's like, you know these characters, let's roll.

Iron Man worked better in that regard because Tony Stark was already an adult and he builds it, in a cave, with a box of scraps!

Grant Morrison started doing this, along with flash forwards, with his X-Men run. It's in his Action Comics run, even though it does a minor bit of origin story. And it's most of all in Batman where he not only starts RIP with the start of the next, next, storyline, but suddenly starts his entire run with a bunch of events being setup based on stories from the 1960s. :lol

Then there's Seven Soldiers obviously. :whew
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 29, 2019, 11:45:25 AM
https://screenrant.com/xmen-reboot-marvel-comic-fake/

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The story in House of X #1 seems to kick off roughly six months after the current X-Men run, and it reveals that the resurrected Charles Xavier has apparently established a mutant nation. This is centered on a living island in the Pacific named Krakoa, and he's planted embassies all over the world - and even a couple offworld. Humanity has been persuaded to accept this because of the offer of Krakoan plants that have helpful health effects on humans, including miracle drugs. But is everything what it seems to be?

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House of X #1 opens with one of the strangest sequences in X-Men comics to date. The first two pages see a mysterious figure standing in a Krakoan growth. Pods open, and mutants emerge - including one who's recognizable as Cyclops, because of the crimson energy shimmering from his eyes. The mutants are all naked, and they crawl across the ground towards the black-clad, helmeted figure, who's clearly pleased with his work. "To me, my X-Men," the man says, a line famously associated with Charles Xavier.

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Throughout House of X #1, the X-Men feel strangely out-of-character.

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Looked at through a critical eye, it's clear that there is something badly wrong with the X-Men. They appear to have embraced the isolationist ways of Magneto rather than the integrationist dream of Charles Xavier. The scenes with Jean Grey feel strange, not least because she sees Wolverine playing with the kids. This is reminiscent of one moment in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run, where Wolverine's mind was being manipulated. What's really going on?

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In Excalibur #31, Nightcrawler found himself stranded on another Krakoan island. There, he learned that the first Krakoa had absorbed the genetic codes of every being it encountered. The Krakoa encountered by Nightcrawler had fashioned pods in which it created exact duplicates of the X-Men as servants. These pods are identical to the ones shown in House of X's introductory sequence, strongly suggesting that the world isn't dealing with the X-Men at all. That would explain why Cyclops has both eyes, why Jean Grey is in the Marvel Girl costume she wore when she first crossed paths with Krakoa, and why a number of characters are back from the dead. They're all mutants who've encountered a Krakoa before. Meanwhile, notice that "Professor Xavier" never takes off his helmet, suggesting he has something to hide.

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It's looks as though Jonathan Hickman's X-Men reboot is a fake-out; that this isn't an X-Men relaunch at all, but an invasion by Krakoa.
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:mindblown if true, holy shit.  But looking ahead it seems like this also may not necessarily be the case. :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 29, 2019, 11:58:07 AM
:mindblown if true, holy shit.  But looking ahead it seems like this also may not necessarily be the case. :thinking

bringing back dead x-men and ignoring chunks of continuity because they're krakoan clones barely even registers as a 'wut' in x-men backstories tbh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 29, 2019, 12:30:03 PM
:mindblown if true, holy shit.  But looking ahead it seems like this also may not necessarily be the case. :thinking

bringing back dead x-men and ignoring chunks of continuity because they're krakoan clones barely even registers as a 'wut' in x-men backstories tbh

I could see this working and being some real crazy shit based on the solicits for the relaunched X-Men line- Excalibur mentions its setting is "Otherworld".  X-Men's description is "The X-Men find themselves in a whole new world of possibility… and things have never been better!"

So maybe all the mutants are being moved to their own world separate from the rest of the Marvel universe,
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while Krakoa and Krakoa mutant pod-people stick around and this leads to another big crossover event or something.
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  There were rumblings of the X-Men being moved to their own separate world or universe back before Disney acquired the movie rights, so maybe Hickman is just taking this and rolling with it.  Doesn't really make sense though, but who knows?  Certainly am excited to see how all these new X-books turn out.  This was a much-needed reboot; here's hoping it isn't garbage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 29, 2019, 01:05:40 PM
Glad Hickman is cleaning up X-men continuity. Someone had to do it.

... I honestly don’t really like Hickman that much. Imo, his avengers run was some confusing galaxy brain shit and I still don’t know what a blue white or Red event is.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 29, 2019, 01:20:35 PM
Glad Hickman is cleaning up X-men continuity. Someone had to do it.

... I honestly don’t really like Hickman that much. Imo, his avengers run was some confusing galaxy brain shit and I still don’t know what a blue white or Red event is.

I enjoyed all that crazy Avengers multiverse stuff- biggest gripes were not related to his story, but to the other books that didn't keep with the continuity, like Superior Iron Man (where Iron Man was a "bad guy" during this story- went completely ignored by Hickman).  Can't say I'm a stan for him but am looking forward to seeing what happens here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on July 29, 2019, 01:50:48 PM
I love East of West and the Hickman avengers run. Both are so delightfully weird and epic feeling. I can see people not being into his dry and maybe a bit overwhelming writing. He’s not that into humor or writing fun characters.

The first X-men issue was pretty cool though. I mean I don’t know how it fits with previous runs and I don’t really care. I’m intrigued where this goes and it seems he’s i it for the long haul. Which I like. I like long form stories that take their time. What I’ve hated is the 3-4 issue pointless storylines that don’t feel a part of any bigger picture.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 29, 2019, 02:47:49 PM
I think my problem with Hickman is more of a symptom of how modern comics are presented and how I consume them  the underlying story.

Modern comics no longer have narrators,  seldom have any internal dialogue,  and are written in more conversational tones. It’s more like “reading a movie” than an” illustrated book”.

As a result, I think it can make complex stories difficult to write cleanly and thus difficult to follow there’s a lot more reading between the lines just to understand the basic plot.

Whereas comics from 20 years ago, normally the character and/or narrator would just plainly say what was going on.

And since I tend to read comics in bed while my wife is pegging me (with questions) I get lost in more complex stories.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 29, 2019, 06:32:33 PM
I think my problem with Hickman is more of a symptom of how modern comics are presented and how I consume them  the underlying story.

Modern comics no longer have narrators,  seldom have any internal dialogue,  and are written in more conversational tones. It’s more like “reading a movie” than an” illustrated book”.

As a result, I think it can make complex stories difficult to write cleanly and thus difficult to follow there’s a lot more reading between the lines just to understand the basic plot.

Whereas comics from 20 years ago, normally the character and/or narrator would just plainly say what was going on.

And since I tend to read comics in bed while my wife is pegging me (with questions) I get lost in more complex stories.

I kind of agree, but on the other hand no one does claremont style giant fucking exposition dumps mid combat now, which is a net gain

I quite liked Hickmans FF run, but it then got annoying to read when it was literally 1 storyline in 2 seperate books, and I guess I sorta liked his avengers run other than I didn't really recognise the characters any more (and was also 1 fucking storyline split across 2 seperate books)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 29, 2019, 10:16:27 PM
True. There’s definitely pros and cons. I think I would just prefer to see the pendulum swing a bit back and end up somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 29, 2019, 10:17:29 PM
Also reminds me how many people used to think Claremont was the best comics writer ever. I find his books damn near unreadable today.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 29, 2019, 10:43:49 PM
Also reminds me how many people used to think Claremont was the best comics writer ever. I find his books damn near unreadable today.

I mean, dude has the highest-selling comic of all-time. That's gonna give you some influence.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2019, 10:49:31 PM
Claremont did have a bunch of Marvel meddling that progressively undermined his work, that's why he kept leaving and coming back, they'd promise him freedom then be all like "on second thought..."

In that one instance for New Exiles they told him he couldn't use any villains he didn't invent himself, which is like kinda stupid for a series that's supposed to play with all Marvel stuff. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: agrajag on July 30, 2019, 01:42:04 AM
wrong thread.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 30, 2019, 07:25:41 AM
Claremont did have a bunch of Marvel meddling that progressively undermined his work, that's why he kept leaving and coming back, they'd promise him freedom then be all like "on second thought..."

In that one instance for New Exiles they told him he couldn't use any villains he didn't invent himself, which is like kinda stupid for a series that's supposed to play with all Marvel stuff. :lol

But his Exiles run was trash even with that limitation
"So you can use literally any What If version of any supe, go fucking wild... oh you want to use Kitty Pryde and Psylocke because you're fucking obsessed with Kitty Pryde and Psylocke"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 30, 2019, 08:12:29 AM
Also reminds me how many people used to think Claremont was the best comics writer ever. I find his books damn near unreadable today.

I mean, dude has the highest-selling comic of all-time. That's gonna give you some influence.

I think that was way, way more Jim Lee and it being a new #1 X-Men comic- that was very much the start of artists (Lee, McFarlene, Liefeld, etc.) being super-popular and comics being the next big "rare" collectible thing with tons of new #1s, special editions with foil covers, trading cards, and all that shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 30, 2019, 08:13:34 AM
Claremont did have a bunch of Marvel meddling that progressively undermined his work, that's why he kept leaving and coming back, they'd promise him freedom then be all like "on second thought..."

In that one instance for New Exiles they told him he couldn't use any villains he didn't invent himself, which is like kinda stupid for a series that's supposed to play with all Marvel stuff. :lol

But his Exiles run was trash even with that limitation
"So you can use literally any What If version of any supe, go fucking wild... oh you want to use Kitty Pryde and Psylocke because you're fucking obsessed with Kitty Pryde and Psylocke"

And dialogue stuck decades in the past, like "Don't worry chum!  We're about to embark on this caper- hey, nice lookin' frail!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 30, 2019, 08:22:37 AM
And dialogue stuck decades in the past, like "Don't worry chum!  We're about to embark on this caper- hey, nice lookin' frail!"

"Gasp! That... that voice... that costume... Can it really be my beloved teammate Kate, somehow back from the dead, for when last I saw her she was trapped in a projectile rocketing away from earth, its substance somehow rendering her powers futile, and with escape impossible, we had no choice but to assume the worst? Maybe this will be my chance to make amends for the many wrongs I have done her! But perhaps this is not her after all, but through some strange circumstance merely a curious facsimile"

"Oh, Hi Kate"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 30, 2019, 08:27:49 AM
And dialogue stuck decades in the past, like "Don't worry chum!  We're about to embark on this caper- hey, nice lookin' frail!"

"Gasp! That... that voice... that costume... Can it really be my beloved teammate Kate, somehow back from the dead, for when last I saw her she was trapped in a projectile rocketing away from earth, its substance somehow rendering her powers futile, and with escape impossible, we had no choice but to assume the worst? Maybe this will be my chance to make amends for the many wrongs I have done her! But perhaps this is not her after all, but through some strange circumstance merely a curious facsimile"

"Oh, Hi Kate"
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 30, 2019, 04:53:26 PM
Also reminds me how many people used to think Claremont was the best comics writer ever. I find his books damn near unreadable today.

I mean, dude has the highest-selling comic of all-time. That's gonna give you some influence.

I think that was way, way more Jim Lee and it being a new #1 X-Men comic- that was very much the start of artists (Lee, McFarlene, Liefeld, etc.) being super-popular and comics being the next big "rare" collectible thing with tons of new #1s, special editions with foil covers, trading cards, and all that shit.

I believe XMen #1 was the beginning of the variant cover trend.

Thinking about those old Claremont stories, I feel like they be incomprehensible in modern comic for
St. They completely relied on the unnatural dialogue to get everything across.

And that led me to a dark thought. You know who is really good at modern comic format, telling a story that has some complexity, but with natural sounding spoken language, and no thought bubbles... yet not fucking confusing to the reader?

Fucking Bendis. Now we know why he gets all that work.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 30, 2019, 05:40:34 PM
I believe XMen #1 was the beginning of the variant cover trend.

Nah, that was Todd McFarlanes Spiderman #1 that kicked all that crap off.

From what I've read of Bendis, I quite like him (DD, Alias, Powers, New Avengers / Mighty Avengers / Dark Avengers, X-Men / All New X-Men, Ultimate Spiderman).
The MCU films pretty much went with his tone from New Avengers, which I guess accounts for the 'too quippy' complaints
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2019, 07:42:20 PM
Fuck Bendis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on July 30, 2019, 08:12:18 PM
You should tank him for saving the failing Superman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 30, 2019, 08:21:17 PM
You should tank him for saving the failing Superman.

What?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on July 30, 2019, 11:15:42 PM
https://screenrant.com/xmen-reboot-marvel-comic-fake/

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The story in House of X #1 seems to kick off roughly six months after the current X-Men run, and it reveals that the resurrected Charles Xavier has apparently established a mutant nation. This is centered on a living island in the Pacific named Krakoa, and he's planted embassies all over the world - and even a couple offworld. Humanity has been persuaded to accept this because of the offer of Krakoan plants that have helpful health effects on humans, including miracle drugs. But is everything what it seems to be?

Spoilers:

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House of X #1 opens with one of the strangest sequences in X-Men comics to date. The first two pages see a mysterious figure standing in a Krakoan growth. Pods open, and mutants emerge - including one who's recognizable as Cyclops, because of the crimson energy shimmering from his eyes. The mutants are all naked, and they crawl across the ground towards the black-clad, helmeted figure, who's clearly pleased with his work. "To me, my X-Men," the man says, a line famously associated with Charles Xavier.

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Throughout House of X #1, the X-Men feel strangely out-of-character.

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Looked at through a critical eye, it's clear that there is something badly wrong with the X-Men. They appear to have embraced the isolationist ways of Magneto rather than the integrationist dream of Charles Xavier. The scenes with Jean Grey feel strange, not least because she sees Wolverine playing with the kids. This is reminiscent of one moment in Joss Whedon's Astonishing X-Men run, where Wolverine's mind was being manipulated. What's really going on?

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In Excalibur #31, Nightcrawler found himself stranded on another Krakoan island. There, he learned that the first Krakoa had absorbed the genetic codes of every being it encountered. The Krakoa encountered by Nightcrawler had fashioned pods in which it created exact duplicates of the X-Men as servants. These pods are identical to the ones shown in House of X's introductory sequence, strongly suggesting that the world isn't dealing with the X-Men at all. That would explain why Cyclops has both eyes, why Jean Grey is in the Marvel Girl costume she wore when she first crossed paths with Krakoa, and why a number of characters are back from the dead. They're all mutants who've encountered a Krakoa before. Meanwhile, notice that "Professor Xavier" never takes off his helmet, suggesting he has something to hide.

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It's looks as though Jonathan Hickman's X-Men reboot is a fake-out; that this isn't an X-Men relaunch at all, but an invasion by Krakoa.
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:mindblown if true, holy shit.  But looking ahead it seems like this also may not necessarily be the case. :thinking

Yea i checked this out and had a similar reaction

Xavier no longer giving a fuck and mostly going with Magneto's view is very interesting but is something that wouldnt last i feel.

So if there is some bullshit going on that's causing this then i could believe it.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2019, 02:41:18 AM
Sandman Mystery Theatre :leon

what an awful name for a book though even if it is accurate, I always remembered seeing those covers wondering what the fuck it was

ol Wesley Dodds wins over his girl (who thinks he's dumped her for the villain) by going down on her by halfway point of the fourth story  :pitbull

they never told me that part in JSA
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 31, 2019, 06:29:28 AM
also I was reading post-Rebirth Batgirl collected editions and got to the part that gators were complaining about where the transwoman and the ciswoman who are married are fighting over whether or not to have a kid and it didn't really make sense to me because I forgot they weren't just lesbians since that was like way back when New 52 started, so I'm actually happy they had the stupid part about the transwoman being misgendered who proceeds to get mad at her wife when she says "we'll get through this" :lol

but the best part is how the person who misgendered the transwoman was their FERTILITY DOCTOR :dead

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D4XQ9_oXoAA0umh.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 03, 2019, 12:36:52 AM
The Wicked + The Divine's writing is kinda awful, and the whole pop star thing is kinda stupid, shame because part of this premise is pretty interesting but so much of the first two books are all "BIG MYSTERY THING. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR PAGES. HERE'S A VAGUE REVEAL. OH LOOK, IT'S THE MOST OBVIOUS THING. CHECK OUT THIS DOPE ART. :doge"

also who in the fucking world says "finger clicks" for snapping your fingers?!? :mindblown

edit: semi-twist in the third book is alright, probably will read the rest of this even if I'm having to re-read some panels because it's written in fucking Slayvengrish it's only supposed to reach 45 issues and #44 just came out

got three books of the Runaways reboot up next, kinda crazy how many of these the local library network is getting, and so quickly, like they've got Drowned Earth already and not just basic DC/Marvel, like all of Saga, I've got the second book of Oblivion Song too; they probably have digital stuff too I've never bothered with e-books or streaming but I know they have those too...

so like JordanN says, try checking out your local library  :american

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I really should just finish Sandman Mystery Theatre before starting more stuff :doge
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edit2: lol

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lmao next page

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 06, 2019, 05:18:19 PM
ultimately, The Wicked + The Divine was alright-ish, and that's with the epilogue issue still to come, lots of meandering and a totally stupid ending, so so much making it up as they go

plus, the fans are weirdos

(https://i.imgur.com/kWyVozg.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 09, 2019, 02:06:43 PM
https://www.cbr.com/house-of-x-moira-mactaggert-mutant-powers/

:dizzy

Hickman just made Moira both a mutant and the most important X character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 09, 2019, 02:30:29 PM
Yeah I was reading that. :lol I'm actually in love with the concept. I like everything I've read so far about PoX and HoX.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 09, 2019, 03:12:48 PM
I’m curious how it gets resolved.

That type of twist seems like it could really you into some stuff over time and be a bitch to write around unless it’s retconned at the end back to the previous status quo
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 10, 2019, 06:37:23 AM
it’s retconned at the end back to the previous status quo

spoilers, breh!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 17, 2019, 07:12:36 PM
stuff i read

from Alan Moore's America Best Comics:
Terra Obscura - I actually liked this more than I liked Tom Strong, shame he didn't do more with this instead of
Promethea - holy crap jerk yourself off much Alan? outside of that it was pretty okayish

Mister Miracle (Tom King miniseries) - Barda, I don't think your condo can be rebuilt to that extent, are you going to use a Mother Box for all this because I don't see how otherwise? plus I really don't think the association would allow you to remake the whole thing like that

Kurt Busiek's Astro City (whole series) - wonderful, although getting cut short because of DC canning Vertigo does suck at least they have some kind of plan for finishing off the few little plot threads along with expanding more

Elementals - it's hard to believe this is by Bill Willingham (Fables) and how it gets put on so many "greatest series never read" lists because dear god it is awful, the writing is just plain bad in a bad way, I can't believe the publisher paid for the rights to it and tried to continue it, also that nobody's ever brought up Willingham's response to a reader who told him it sucked ("I refuse to be your art-distinguished black fellow" really)

also did finish Sandman Mystery Theatre which also very awesome, hate that it similarly died early due to DC, so rushed things at the end, Black Label should look into doing more series like that from a standpoint of returning characters to when they debuted and writing them back in that era rather than the constantly moving forward of comic book time into the present

having also read some original 1980s Suicide Squad with Reagan and everything these combined to make me think there could also be something amusing or interesting about setting a series of say, Superman or whatever back just post-Crisis again but it also being literally 1985 again and moving forward in the actual years, it could even jump ahead into certain years, but if it was 2019 for example everyone is 34 years older rather than "five years" or whatever the stupid screw up conceit was of the New 52 which led to Batman having four Robins in six years all of the same age but also them aging forward properly to fit the real time of their introduction decades ago, Dick's age needs as Nightwing, etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 18, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
Astro Citys great; like Planetary it holds up on its own, but also works as a metacomic
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on August 18, 2019, 12:06:24 PM
you finished mister miracle benji? :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 19, 2019, 01:27:10 PM
this was a whole story arc in Astro City :doge

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2019, 09:44:12 AM
:drudge Batman #77 spoilers https://i.imgur.com/AkLY3Qx.jpg

Welp.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on August 21, 2019, 10:13:27 AM
I expect the next and final 8 chapters to be great but leave batman broken
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 21, 2019, 10:18:02 AM
Spoiler. Last page of the the last issue of Tom Kings Batman is Bruce Wayne standing in the bart cave. Fully nude except for the cowl and cape Dick just swinging.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 21, 2019, 10:24:56 AM
:drudge Batman #77 spoilers https://i.imgur.com/AkLY3Qx.jpg

Welp.

bad ass edgy reboot alfzrael limited series incoming
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 21, 2019, 10:33:48 AM
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Imagine a story where Alfred is still alive but now paralyzed from the neck-down, and he has to do what Bruce did in the 90s and hit up South America and bang healer chicks to recover and eventually take on Bane. :ohhh

And when he comes back his neck is super swole :lol
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on August 21, 2019, 11:02:25 AM
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Bruce will take him to a Lazarus Pit but he’ll come back wrong and become a supervillain
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on August 21, 2019, 01:11:49 PM
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(https://imgur.com/WDWGtj4.png)
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spoiler cause large not actual spoiler
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on August 30, 2019, 11:08:17 AM
I have heard that Bendis ended his current Superman story with some bullshit pulled from his ass?

is this true  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 30, 2019, 12:13:16 PM
I have heard that Bendis ended his current Superman story with some bullshit pulled from his ass?

is this true  :lol

Oh so he ended it the same way it's been written from bullshit issue 1? I'm so fucking surprised.

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FUCK BENDIS
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on August 30, 2019, 12:34:37 PM
stop reading anything bendis writes  :ufup
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 30, 2019, 01:19:05 PM
Is this about TEH LEGION OF SUPERHEROES!!!!111 coming and taking Superboy Jon Kent into the future?

Now DC is trying to make them a big thing.  Again.

I also like that all this shit is happening before Doomsday Clock, which was supposed to be in the future, has ended, and there's already contradictions.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on August 30, 2019, 03:29:45 PM
Superboy is the best worst character ever
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 30, 2019, 04:52:46 PM
Superboy is the best worst character ever

:rage
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2019, 02:09:47 AM
I also like that all this shit is happening before Doomsday Clock, which was supposed to be in the future, has ended, and there's already contradictions.  :lol
Snyder's already ignoring it because he's working on 2020's crossover that's a sequel to METAL.

I can't believe there's still two issues left and we don't know when the last one will come out yet. Year of the Villain and Leviathan (both projected to end in November) might be done by the time it comes out lol

Also how DC tried to go "oh no it won't just end with Superman fighting Doctor Manhattan" but it's a fucking recurring scene in every damn issue.

They should just go ahead and announce the JSA series or whatever Johns is going to do after it like they have Legion. They could even start putting it out before Doomsday Clock finishes. :doge

It's funny that you can find pretty much no explanation for the delays on the internet. The only thing is the artist, Gary Frank, said he wasn't behind. Which is usually the case. So is Johns still fucking writing the thing? What could he be rewriting at this point? The entire thing has been so fucking decompressed, it could have really been six issues and not lost anything like Adrian and them running around thinking he's sick for eight issues. All the crap with the villains in the sewers for five issues. Why was the Joker even in this? (And which of the THREE JOKERS IS IT?!? Find out in 2027 when Johns completes that.)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 01, 2019, 02:21:40 AM
Johns shouldn't have had Rorschach go straight to Batman from the start of the story. Instead he should have had the Watchmen universe characters doing their thing and Batman/Flash who are still looking into "The Button" come across them to start to put it together rather than us waste nine issues on Adrian running a plot nobody knows about. What was the point of all that crap involving The Button now other than an overly long teaser based around a single image?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on September 01, 2019, 04:02:18 AM
Superboy is the best worst character ever

:rage
superboy prime
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 01, 2019, 08:39:26 AM
He was used well in Infinite Crisis and poorly in stories afterward.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 01, 2019, 09:56:14 AM
I also like that all this shit is happening before Doomsday Clock, which was supposed to be in the future, has ended, and there's already contradictions.  :lol
Snyder's already ignoring it because he's working on 2020's crossover that's a sequel to METAL.

I can't believe there's still two issues left and we don't know when the last one will come out yet. Year of the Villain and Leviathan (both projected to end in November) might be done by the time it comes out lol

Also how DC tried to go "oh no it won't just end with Superman fighting Doctor Manhattan" but it's a fucking recurring scene in every damn issue.

They should just go ahead and announce the JSA series or whatever Johns is going to do after it like they have Legion. They could even start putting it out before Doomsday Clock finishes. :doge

It's funny that you can find pretty much no explanation for the delays on the internet. The only thing is the artist, Gary Frank, said he wasn't behind. Which is usually the case. So is Johns still fucking writing the thing? What could he be rewriting at this point? The entire thing has been so fucking decompressed, it could have really been six issues and not lost anything like Adrian and them running around thinking he's sick for eight issues. All the crap with the villains in the sewers for five issues. Why was the Joker even in this? (And which of the THREE JOKERS IS IT?!? Find out in 2027 when Johns completes that.)

A sequel to metal? That shit was so confusing to me. I just remember that Batman had to get a bukkake nine times. And then sexy hot lady bat-aquaman could bless earth.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 01, 2019, 09:56:57 AM
Superboy is the best worst character ever

:rage
superboy prime

Talking about Superboy prime always makes me think about the Literals in fables. That was a way to really throw a great book off course.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 03, 2019, 12:37:34 AM
I honestly don't know what it originally intended to be, but what METAL became after DC expanded it into a bunch of tie-ins was Snyder and everyone of the new kids in charge at DC showing love to the crew before them while making up a bunch of crazy Batmans

it was just a silly, intentionally over the top way to bring some people back into the DC Universe that New 52 had screwed up, same as Doomsday Clock is doing this for the JSA

while also creating a Joker stand-in they could use for higher level events since nobody wants to mess with just the Joker outside of Batman but everyone knows the rule that you have to let the Joker play :shh
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 03, 2019, 02:01:03 PM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/09/02/dc-comics-black-batman/

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The hot gossip coming out of comic book shows this weekend from a number of prominent sources, is that in the summer of 2020 leading into 2021, DC Comics is planning to bring us a black Batman. Not Bruce Wayne, but someone else donning the cowl and cape.

Who this new Batman will be, I don’t know. All I have been told is that it won’t be Duke Thomas, the young man previously teased as taking on the role of Robin and Batman to come.

Maybe it's going to be Batwing?  Has he even popped up in Batman comics lately?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2019, 02:18:58 PM
It'll be Duke.

Edit- Actually, if it isn't Duke, then they should really write him out of continuity by this point because what is even that dude's point in the grand scheme of things?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 03, 2019, 02:22:56 PM
Yeah, the rumor is saying it's not Duke. :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 03, 2019, 02:42:50 PM
They mess with Batman too often. Like every third year we have a new Batman.

I’m really excited to see how Bruce deals with not being Batman.... again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2019, 02:45:37 PM
They mess with Batman too often. Like every third year we have a new Batman.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I say mess with him more often, until Dick gets back in the suit. :rejoice

I don't know what Snyder was thinking with Robo-Gordon... maybe hoping DCYou would be the status quo for more than a hot second??
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 03, 2019, 02:53:19 PM
They mess with Batman too often. Like every third year we have a new Batman.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I say mess with him more often, until Dick gets back in the suit. :rejoice

I don't know what Snyder was thinking with Robo-Gordon... maybe hoping DCYou would be the status quo for more than a hot second??

You know what would be cool?  Introduce a new Batman...in addition to Batman.  As in, stop replacing Bruce Wayne with someone else every few years.  It's played out.  Yeah, yeah- it's like Miles Morales, but the difference would be this is Batman so it would be an older character who is just as dark and brooding and competing with Bruce instead. 

I'm sure there's instances of this having been done already, but it's at least been a while.  And isn't this on top of having the Flashpoint Batman and The Batman Who Laughs running around? :dizzy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2019, 03:00:25 PM
Flashpoint Batman and the Batman Who Laughs are villains tho.

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As in, stop replacing Bruce Wayne with someone else every few years.

I count three major times:

- Azrael in the 90s
- Dick in '09
- Gordon in '16

What you're proposing is basically Batman Inc. after Bruce "returned" from the "dead." Brucebats (yellow emblem) ran Batman Inc. and did JL stuff while Dickbats (black/gray emblem) handled Gotham (since Dick's previous stomping ground Bludhaven got Chemo'd in Infinite Crisis...)

(https://i.imgur.com/pRZO2Dk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/b6s9M2W.jpg)

And it was pretty sweet, so I agree, that's what they should do. :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 03, 2019, 03:02:00 PM

I actually kind of started liking Robo-Bats after a while- Gordon and his support team/interactions with other superheroes got fun, and then towards the end they ditched the mecha and just had him being his own version of Batman -more cop-like- and then here comes Bruce again.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 03, 2019, 03:02:18 PM
Batman Inc was really fun, so of course they killed it.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2019, 03:04:32 PM
I think Batman Inc ended where Morrison wanted it to, similar to Snyder's Batman Eternal. I don't think it was meant as an open-ended ongoing. The only thing that sort of tripped him up was the New 52 reboot forcing it to be broken up into two volumes with numbering reset to #1 for each. :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 03, 2019, 04:03:06 PM
I feel like robo bats just sort of ended kind of abruptly. They didn’t really leave Gordon in the suit all that long.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2019, 04:26:46 PM
I feel like robo bats just sort of ended kind of abruptly. They didn’t really leave Gordon in the suit all that long.

Weeeeelllllll the messaging for Rebirth may have been a little murky if anyone other than Bruce Wayne wasn't made front-and-center as Batman.

(https://i.imgur.com/xtHpUmM.png)

Would have seemed pretty out of place here for example. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2019, 04:28:18 PM
Ahhh, the constant battle between author and editorial...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 03, 2019, 04:42:58 PM
I feel like robo bats just sort of ended kind of abruptly. They didn’t really leave Gordon in the suit all that long.

Weeeeelllllll the messaging for Rebirth may have been a little murky if anyone other than Bruce Wayne wasn't made front-and-center as Batman.

(https://i.imgur.com/xtHpUmM.png)

Would have seemed pretty out of place here for example. :lol

No more out of place than Super-Lois and Lex Luthor in Iron-Superman armor.  :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 03, 2019, 04:50:37 PM
Hmmmmm I think it would, the big four (WW, Supes, Aquaman and Bats) are all in (fairly) classic attire. Having the Bunny-Bot taking up half the page next to Supes might be a bit, uhh... :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 04, 2019, 01:20:45 AM
Aren’t they releasing the all of dc to be kid friendly next year or something like that?

How are they supposed to do that with non-Bruce Batman?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 04, 2019, 01:52:29 AM
Aren’t they releasing the all of dc to be kid friendly next year or something like that?

Hmm, there was a minor kerfuffle over a minor update to how their suggested age ranges work, but it's still basically a child-teen-adult setup.

DC Black Label will continue to be a thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 04, 2019, 08:05:07 AM
Oh? It’s just a labeling thing then. The way some people were going on about it, I thought it was like a relaunch.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 04, 2019, 09:11:35 AM
yeah, they didn't have "DC" on all the brands, now they will they merged all the youth stuff (like Ink and Zoom) into DC Kids, and merged Black Label, lots of Elseworlds stuff and Vertigo into DC Black Label, then there's just regular DC; they had like 15 imprints but they could be fit into three more blatant categories more or less so that's what they did (especially since some of the imprints only had like two titles or something) it's just supposed to make it easier to pick up books via the imprint as well as allow for more Kids titles to start

it's only certain way outside of DC lines like Young Animal and The Wild Storm that will continue (if they do, that is) without being a formal DC imprint

IIRC, the only reason it's "tying" into a semi-relaunch is a bunch of writers/teams are coming up on the end of their runs like Tom King on Batman at the same time, so they may do some "new creative team!" type relaunches but that was going to happen anyway

edit: plus I assume they're going to wipe out a bunch of those all but dead titles they tried to spin out of METAL that started as DARK MATTER before being rebranded twice before launching just to see like nobody pick them up; if that's not already planned and I missed it
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 04, 2019, 11:38:53 AM
I hereby propose calling black label BBDC
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 04, 2019, 12:50:58 PM
I mean, its still fucking wild that Alan Moores Swamp Thing run was mainstream DCU canon, and you've got Constantine sat in the monitors watchtower during COIE and shit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on September 04, 2019, 07:29:24 PM
Absolute Carnage #1-2

I was expecting a disaster but it's actually fun!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on September 07, 2019, 05:07:57 PM
Just finished reading Preacher Book 1.

Fairly entertaining, if a bit edgelord at times. I went in completely blind. I expected some sort of story about a preacher doing around killing bad guys, like a religion Punisher, but turns out it's a super crazy ass story of God, demons, serial killers, vampires featuring a cameo by John Wayne. I think I'm going to order the rest of the books.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 07, 2019, 09:51:51 PM
Absolute Carnage #1-2

I was expecting a disaster but it's actually fun!

Marvel has a habit of completely misusing carnage... honesty they misuse even worse than venom.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tripon on September 07, 2019, 09:56:22 PM
If I wanted to get back on Comics, should I stick with a couple of books, or an area? Last time I read regularly, it was SAGA, and the Hickman runs on F4.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: VomKriege on September 08, 2019, 04:53:01 AM
Just finished reading Preacher Book 1.

Fairly entertaining, if a bit edgelord at times. I went in completely blind. I expected some sort of story about a preacher doing around killing bad guys, like a religion Punisher, but turns out it's a super crazy ass story of God, demons, serial killers, vampires featuring a cameo by John Wayne. I think I'm going to order the rest of the books.

Book 1 ends up at the Louisiana farm ? It's actually somewhat of a slow start (at least the whole first half setting up the premise) believe it or not, it really gets going after that. There's a noticeable dip in quality in one specific late storyline which really feel like filler but it ends up strong. It's well worth seeing it to the finale. It's crazy nineties edgy but it's never to the detriment of the characters.

DOOM COCK.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 08, 2019, 07:12:23 AM
If I wanted to get back on Comics, should I stick with a couple of books, or an area? Last time I read regularly, it was SAGA, and the Hickman runs on F4.

pretty much standard advice is follow authors not characters, especially returning to things where you're not invested in seeing where a universe is going or anything.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on September 08, 2019, 09:24:51 AM
Just finished reading Preacher Book 1.

Fairly entertaining, if a bit edgelord at times. I went in completely blind. I expected some sort of story about a preacher doing around killing bad guys, like a religion Punisher, but turns out it's a super crazy ass story of God, demons, serial killers, vampires featuring a cameo by John Wayne. I think I'm going to order the rest of the books.

Book 1 ends up at the Louisiana farm ? It's actually somewhat of a slow start (at least the whole first half setting up the premise) believe it or not, it really gets going after that. There's a noticeable dip in quality in one specific late storyline which really feel like filler but it ends up strong. It's well worth seeing it to the finale. It's crazy nineties edgy but it's never to the detriment of the characters.

DOOM COCK.
Yes, it ends at the conclusion of the farm arc.  I'll check out the other books then.

I also checked out the first episode of the tv show and  :kobeyuck what a weird take on the story.. I mean, people are doing their best but it's pretty far from how I imagined the characters when I read the book. The Preacher feels super weak (but I guess he's gonna get back his balls when he gets possessed) and the way Cassidy is introduced felt off in tone. Same thing with Tulip. In the comics, shes knows how to fight but she's pretty much forced to do the hit job but in the pilot she's acting like Hit-Girl, kicking asses, using catchphrases and acting all sassy and witty.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: VomKriege on September 08, 2019, 03:44:52 PM
To be fair I think a more direct adaptation would have been doomed from the start if only out of budget and artistic limitations. I've never cared enough to watch it but some people I know do think it's passable and that it has enough of an identity and a voice to justify its own existence.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tripon on September 08, 2019, 04:05:51 PM
If I wanted to get back on Comics, should I stick with a couple of books, or an area? Last time I read regularly, it was SAGA, and the Hickman runs on F4.

pretty much standard advice is follow authors not characters, especially returning to things where you're not invested in seeing where a universe is going or anything.

Hmm, okay. I'll probably pick up a couple of Xmen books Hickman is writing after the relaunch then.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2019, 09:38:37 AM
oh god the photo, the whole actor arc, Johns you bastard you should have started with this, that whole issue, "you're from the past, the past won't be erased" and the lantern

argh, he's going to pull this off after all, the son of a bitch

still think this could have been more like eight issues, or at least done less Watchmen filler and more Superman Theory background

i like how Batman and Alfred are just out doing their own thing, taking their time and nobody else really cares
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 09, 2019, 09:53:56 AM
The Wicked + The Divine's coda was an unnecessary addition to a series full of amazingly unnecessary diversions

If I wanted to get back on Comics, should I stick with a couple of books, or an area? Last time I read regularly, it was SAGA, and the Hickman runs on F4.
well, I guess the main thing to do is decide mostly what kind of thing you want, cape books, a completed story, works more like Saga, etc.

if you want to get back into Saga, it's on hiatus for a year or more so you can run up to the current endpoint (they intend on doing it as "seasons" from here on to stop the delays)

for Hickman, definitely check out The Manhattan Projects and East of West, the former is complete (the relaunch is never coming back imo), the latter is basically coming to an end now, I enjoyed both quite a bit

Saga is of course, Brian K. Vaughn, he's completed Paper Girls which was pretty fun, farther back and in Marvel he did Runaways which is fantastic and still unique, Ex Machina is interesting if a bit on the nose, there's always Y: The Last Man too, which remains apparently unadaptable and like Ex Machina makes itself end with a dud because it violates what was originally a rule to not explain everything

um, Powers is pretty good, Planetary is even better, both start with P's like Preacher
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2019, 06:19:40 PM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/09/11/robin-no-more-tim-drake-reveals-new-superhero-name

Reading DC comics :nope

Not supporting Bendis trash :ohyeah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2019, 06:22:40 PM
How the fuck do you ditch the red black and yellow, that shit was iconic :rage
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 07:45:21 PM
I actually like Drake more than Red Robin.

For one, Red Robin seemed like so suddenly tacked on and then so suddenly applied to Tim because they had to shuffle the identities with Damian.

Two, Red Robin is the name of a restaurant.

This also makes me wonder, is Duke Thomas, AKA THE SIGNAL, dead or what. Or did they all just forget he existed.
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An alternate version of Stephanie Brown, Tim Drake’s love interest and the fourth Batgirl, also calls him Drake.
what, alternate?

these two are the new Donna Troy's
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 11, 2019, 07:45:34 PM
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:ryker
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2019, 07:49:38 PM
Like I actually sat on it for a bit. I’ve been wanting a new name/moniker for a while, especially since Rebirth when they gave him his old Robin suit… while keeping his Red Robin name.

And I thought, well, OK… “Drake” is technically a bird, and technically in New 52 not Tim’s actual birthname. His New 52 origin is he was too much of a smartypants Batman fanboy (like before, but different), so his family had to be relocated and given new names (hence Tim "Drake"... Yes this was a dumb Lobdell idea everyone hated.)

But then I remembered that a hero chosing to change their costume and moniker is usually one of the most personal moments of large character growth. And shitty Bendis basically goes “Yeah some other version of Tim figured all this shit out” and then left it on our Tim’s lap to just blindly eat up.

Hopefully this turns out like Savior in Detective Comics a bit back, not the Tim part but Stephanie/Cass seeing their alt Batgirl selves and choosing to use that to be even better (instead of wallowing in the past.) Was a cool moment and I hope something they do here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 11, 2019, 08:05:03 PM
I'm just glad that the Earth-3 Drake is not the regular Drake character design.  Thought it was for a second there and that is some goofy looking shit.

"Drake." :smug
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 08:06:10 PM
New 52 screwing up the Robins continues to be the funniest thing about the whole effort. Nobody even realized it somehow, they changed Todd's backstory, and then had to change Drake's because of that, and then had to somehow figure how Bruce had four Robins in five years, so they gave Bruce an extra year which doesn't solve anything, especially since Damian is ten.

Arguably the only stupider thing was not allowing Perez to know anything Morrison was doing on Action Comics, yet still demanding he keep his Superman book in line with it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 11, 2019, 10:02:16 PM
Draaaake? Draaaaaaake?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on September 11, 2019, 10:31:05 PM
Just finished reading Preacher Book 1.

Fairly entertaining, if a bit edgelord at times. I went in completely blind. I expected some sort of story about a preacher doing around killing bad guys, like a religion Punisher, but turns out it's a super crazy ass story of God, demons, serial killers, vampires featuring a cameo by John Wayne. I think I'm going to order the rest of the books.

Book 1 ends up at the Louisiana farm ? It's actually somewhat of a slow start (at least the whole first half setting up the premise) believe it or not, it really gets going after that. There's a noticeable dip in quality in one specific late storyline which really feel like filler but it ends up strong. It's well worth seeing it to the finale. It's crazy nineties edgy but it's never to the detriment of the characters.

DOOM COCK.
Yes, it ends at the conclusion of the farm arc.  I'll check out the other books then.

I also checked out the first episode of the tv show and  :kobeyuck what a weird take on the story.. I mean, people are doing their best but it's pretty far from how I imagined the characters when I read the book. The Preacher feels super weak (but I guess he's gonna get back his balls when he gets possessed) and the way Cassidy is introduced felt off in tone. Same thing with Tulip. In the comics, shes knows how to fight but she's pretty much forced to do the hit job but in the pilot she's acting like Hit-Girl, kicking asses, using catchphrases and acting all sassy and witty.

Yeah, same impression of the TV show. I enjoyed the comic, but the show is just off for me, somehow. The only one who nails what I expected is Cassidy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2019, 10:34:13 PM
DOOM COCK :gladbron

It is now.

It is Superman.

It is me.

It is us.

It is the world.

It is time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 11, 2019, 10:37:32 PM
Draaaake? Draaaaaaake?

(https://i.imgur.com/rEjJp4Q.gif)

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COFFEECAKEMAN
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 10:49:14 PM
https://www.cbr.com/dc-comics-fan-theories-doomsday-clock/

lmao these are so awful
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 11, 2019, 10:56:49 PM
My personal favorite is the job Kent one. And my theory is that jonnient replaces pops. And then bendis relaunches Superman as Ultimate Superman.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 11:04:38 PM
I like the hard reboot one, DC is hiding a complete reboot of their entire line without it leaking. Based around a comic that still does not have a scheduled date despite November solicits already being out. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 11, 2019, 11:23:38 PM
I like the hard reboot one, DC is hiding a complete reboot of their entire line without it leaking. Based around a comic that still does not have a scheduled date despite November solicits already being out. :lol

When it reboots, it reboots.

And then we find out it actually rebooted at some point in 2018.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tripon on September 11, 2019, 11:31:29 PM
DC rebooting again? Is Wally back at least?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 11, 2019, 11:51:00 PM
DC rebooting again? Is Wally back at least?
you get two of them now
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 12, 2019, 12:14:11 AM
DC rebooting again? Is Wally back at least?
you get two of them now

Is it racism or reverse-racism that they gave the whiter name to the blacker character?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 12, 2019, 09:06:30 AM
Wally and Wale?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 12, 2019, 12:53:23 PM
Wally and Wale?

Wally and Wallace West(s).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 12, 2019, 01:52:26 PM
Why would you design a new character named Wallace? It’s like an old ass name.

One of the things I find sort of funny about comics in general is how anachronistic their names are.

I don’t know anyone under like 40 named Peter.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 12, 2019, 02:57:14 PM
Because of comics fuckery.

They were both born Wallace West, the name obviously coming from when the original white Wally was designed.

Then New 52 happened, Wally was rebooted to being black.

Then Rebirth happened, and the old Wally came back. Yup, he's a separate guy after all.

And that's when DC decided "Wallace" should go to the newer black character and "Wally" should go to the white guy from the literal 50s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 12, 2019, 08:05:03 PM
Immediately comes to mind:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysXMUj7XJ5Q
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2019, 12:21:31 PM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2019/09/13/star-artisdc-comics-frank-miller-rafael-grampa-dark-knight-golden-child-december/

Do people still care about this "Dark Knight" series?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 13, 2019, 12:24:49 PM
Also when I said I wanted Jon Kent back to being a kid, this isn't really what I meant, DC.

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Kent has ‘all of the wisdom and intelligence of the Kryptonian race would be an exciting new dimension. He really sort of developed as a little floating Buddha, someone who when he wasn’t even a toddler yet was speaking in full sentences and had an understanding of events that surpassed anybody else’s. He’s the most magical member of the family.’

(https://i.imgur.com/jxriCtm.jpg)




I will say I do dig the style here:

(https://i.imgur.com/GlIbokR.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 13, 2019, 11:26:51 PM
DkII and III were pretty shit imo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 14, 2019, 02:48:50 PM
https://www.newsarama.com/46940-superman-to-reveal-his-secret-identity-to-the-world-this-fall.html

Bendis
:neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2019, 03:24:17 PM
https://www.newsarama.com/46940-superman-to-reveal-his-secret-identity-to-the-world-this-fall.html

Bendis
:neogaf

Can't wait for the next story arc where Superman makes a deal with Lucifer Morningstar to save Pa Kent (who was targeted for assassination by Deathstroke) at the cost of his highly popular marriage to Lois Lane.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2019, 03:53:37 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/2Oq5Q6U.jpg)

Not the color scheme I would have gone with -- the brown should be bright red IMO, but I guess they're trying to go away from "red" since it's not in his name anymore. Also, while I love Tim's one-off unternet suit in the Red Robin series (see below), I always preferred a cowl for Tim instead of a domino mask since he saw himself becoming Batman one day. I'm split on the lack of a cape, it works for Nightwing and at least it isn't the fucking feathers. :yuck

(https://i.imgur.com/qITw4xI.jpg)

In any case his new costume is still 100x better than New 52 Swan Queen and 10x better than the old suit DC found in a dumpster out back they made him wear in Rebirth. So I'm actually a little content with this.

Solo series again when? :)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 14, 2019, 03:58:16 PM
Damn just noticed they kept Tim's trademark bo staff too. :jawalrus
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 14, 2019, 11:58:13 PM
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Legendary artist Ivan Reis joins writer Brian Michael Bendis as they introduce the biggest change in the Man of Steel’s life ever!
Not marrying Lois? Not moving to Metropolis? Not DYING and coming back? Not DYING again and merging with some multiversial self of his? Not having a son?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 15, 2019, 12:01:30 AM
https://www.newsarama.com/46940-superman-to-reveal-his-secret-identity-to-the-world-this-fall.html

Bendis
:neogaf

Can't wait for the next story arc where Superman makes a deal with Lucifer Morningstar to save Pa Kent (who was targeted for assassination by Deathstroke) at the cost of his highly popular marriage to Lois Lane.

People need to learn from that terrible Spider-Man story. The I don’t have a secret identity was a terrible status quo for him.

It will be dumb as hell for super-man as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2019, 12:08:23 AM
I've always pretended that everyone knows Superman is Clark Kent and just humors him lest he go nuts and destroy the place. When Clark's older that is. Except Luthor who adamantly refuses to believe it.

Back when he first died, Clark Kent had disappeared for over a year and even Lois didn't care publicly, then they managed to miraculously find him in perfectly good health under some rubble left over from the Doomsday battle a year plus prior in the first place they looked after somebody said to the revived Superman "hey, your buddy Clark never showed up after you died, we think he's probably dead too."

At one point in the DC Universe basically everyone who was ever a hero (or close to a hero, like Catwoman) knew about Clarks secret identity but nobody had figured out Batmans except a select handful.

Identity Crisis even established that super villains don't go after families because it's known to be the one thing that'll make heroes break their no-killing rule. And that this is enforced within the super villain community. Since that refusal is basically how they ever have any kind of leverage at all against the heroes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 16, 2019, 03:07:32 PM
https://screenrant.com/dc-leviathan-identity-manhunter-spoilers/

Hmm...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 17, 2019, 08:49:14 PM
the end of the subheadline on this newspaper in Batman #1 (1940) cracked me up for some reason:
(https://i.imgur.com/nj8OIK8.png)

"LEAVES JOKER IN FRONT OF POLICE STATION. DRIVES AWAY."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 17, 2019, 08:53:39 PM
House Of X #5 spoilers:

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The issue opens with the arrival of The Five: five mutants whose powers work in tandem to resurrect other mutants. Goldballs (previously thought to be worthless, his balls are actually the eggs), Proteus (basically inseminates the eggs), Elixir (gives life to the egg), Tempus (can make the inhabitant of the egg any age), and Hope (amplifies the other four mutant's powers). We then see the same 2 page splash page from House of X #1 with the X-Men coming out of the pods...so that particular scene was a flash forward. The whole team of X-Men who died in the previous issue are resurrected using a combination of the Five's power, the collected DNA from Sinister's library, and a mental backup from Xavier's Cerebro...basically Cerebro scans every mutant every week and uploads a backup of their memory to be implanted in the regrown husk body. Storm declares Cyclops' resurrected team the "heroes of Krakoa"

Xavier and Magneto's grand plan is revealed: they plan toresurrect as many mutants as possible using Krakoa, the Five, Cerebro, and Sinister's library. It is explained how this would work, but it will take hundreds of years to bring back all 16 million mutants. This explains how certain previously deceased mutants are back. This seems to be the plot point of the upcoming X-Force book.

The UN votes...Emma mind controls enough of the Ambassadors to ensure the vote passes. Xavier promises she will be rewarded (a hint to the direction of The Marauders book). Some major countries reject the deal.

The issue ends with every mutant villain arriving on Krakoa to join the X-Men. Krakoa seems especially pleased to be reunited with Apocalypse.
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Comments/speculation:

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So those who died in space actually stay dead, and from this point on the living ones are just clones with memories? Sorry, I’m just confused whether it’s resurrection or cloning.

Also, how do people like Banshee and Esme have their memories if they died years before Cerebro uploaded their minds? Or has Cerebro been doing this since the beginning?
The word "clone" is completely avoided...it strictly uses the word "resurrection."

The memory copy thing has been Cerebro's primary purpose all along. It's tracking system is secondary.

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Ah okay, fair! I kinda see why they want to do more with Pryor now then since there could be an interesting discussion about whether she is also actually Jean, just sans-Cerebro. Likewise it brings into question about how souls and the afterlife and such work now in Marvel; for example, would Nightcrawler who died go to heaven and then be ripped from it into this cloned body, or does this Krakoa/Cerebro Nightcrawler have its own soul, separate from the original?

Is it ever suggested why nobody ever figured out Cerebro’s original purpose, especially when it’s been rebuilt so many times (and often without Xavier’s input)?
When Jean is reborn she tells Storm that she's the only Jean that ever was. Seems like a reference to Pryor.

No, it's not referenced why no one knew about Cerebro. Magneto does mention that the resurrection process puts the soul back into the person though.
[close]

Crazy Hickman-retconning/re-writing going on here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 17, 2019, 09:44:48 PM
Is this the Hickman book? I have to be honest it sounds dumb as hell.

Like Chris Claremont actively trying to jump the shark.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 17, 2019, 09:52:30 PM
I guess thats why the previous run had no problem killing off everyone.

Still confused to how the status quo got from X-men are kind of defeated to X-men nation. Then again Hickman referenced an X-men nation in Time Run's Out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 17, 2019, 09:56:24 PM
Yeah, it's the Hickman book, and yeah, now all the character deaths they've done here (and before this) make sense.  Not like killing off characters ever really did much anyway since 99% of them come back.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 17, 2019, 10:12:36 PM
Well, good thing we will get banshee back and every other xman  who ever died ever.

You really need to hire Hickman to do some dumb deus ex machina shit to resurrect every dead Xman ever (and probably villain) just to set up Genosha 4.0.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 17, 2019, 10:14:06 PM
Actually yeah, because this Hickman run has been pretty much the best X-men stuff in years.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 17, 2019, 10:38:07 PM
That’s an incredibly low bar to clear xmen have been unreadable for a while now. I get it free on marvel unlimited and still can’t get through it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2019, 01:04:58 AM
Yeah you're right it is low, but what I'm seeing here is something I like. It's weird, it feels like it's going to have long form storytelling, and it dosen't feel like a generic "here's an arc for a trade" story that so much of Marvel comics have felt. I don't know what's going on 100% and that's exciting. Even now reading about the clone stuff may sound dumb to me, but I'm also left wondering if there's more going on. Not a feeling I've felt with X-men comics for a while.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: shosta on September 18, 2019, 02:12:36 AM
Hickman and long form storytelling is good. Did you read his New Avengers run a few years back?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 08:14:46 AM
Yup.  He's fixing all the X-stuff with this story.  Fresh starts all-around with the upcoming new books.  It was very much needed.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 18, 2019, 12:28:57 PM
https://screenrant.com/dc-leviathan-identity-manhunter-spoilers/

Hmm...

 :rejoice

Thats a pretty great recycling of a serviceable but unused character!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 18, 2019, 01:49:22 PM
Leviathan will actually be Superboy Prime.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 18, 2019, 08:33:18 PM
House Of X #5 spoilers:

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The issue opens with the arrival of The Five: five mutants whose powers work in tandem to resurrect other mutants. Goldballs (previously thought to be worthless, his balls are actually the eggs), Proteus (basically inseminates the eggs), Elixir (gives life to the egg), Tempus (can make the inhabitant of the egg any age), and Hope (amplifies the other four mutant's powers). We then see the same 2 page splash page from House of X #1 with the X-Men coming out of the pods...so that particular scene was a flash forward. The whole team of X-Men who died in the previous issue are resurrected using a combination of the Five's power, the collected DNA from Sinister's library, and a mental backup from Xavier's Cerebro...basically Cerebro scans every mutant every week and uploads a backup of their memory to be implanted in the regrown husk body. Storm declares Cyclops' resurrected team the "heroes of Krakoa"

Xavier and Magneto's grand plan is revealed: they plan toresurrect as many mutants as possible using Krakoa, the Five, Cerebro, and Sinister's library. It is explained how this would work, but it will take hundreds of years to bring back all 16 million mutants. This explains how certain previously deceased mutants are back. This seems to be the plot point of the upcoming X-Force book.

The UN votes...Emma mind controls enough of the Ambassadors to ensure the vote passes. Xavier promises she will be rewarded (a hint to the direction of The Marauders book). Some major countries reject the deal.

The issue ends with every mutant villain arriving on Krakoa to join the X-Men. Krakoa seems especially pleased to be reunited with Apocalypse.
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So those who died in space actually stay dead, and from this point on the living ones are just clones with memories? Sorry, I’m just confused whether it’s resurrection or cloning.

Also, how do people like Banshee and Esme have their memories if they died years before Cerebro uploaded their minds? Or has Cerebro been doing this since the beginning?
The word "clone" is completely avoided...it strictly uses the word "resurrection."

The memory copy thing has been Cerebro's primary purpose all along. It's tracking system is secondary.

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Ah okay, fair! I kinda see why they want to do more with Pryor now then since there could be an interesting discussion about whether she is also actually Jean, just sans-Cerebro. Likewise it brings into question about how souls and the afterlife and such work now in Marvel; for example, would Nightcrawler who died go to heaven and then be ripped from it into this cloned body, or does this Krakoa/Cerebro Nightcrawler have its own soul, separate from the original?

Is it ever suggested why nobody ever figured out Cerebro’s original purpose, especially when it’s been rebuilt so many times (and often without Xavier’s input)?
When Jean is reborn she tells Storm that she's the only Jean that ever was. Seems like a reference to Pryor.

No, it's not referenced why no one knew about Cerebro. Magneto does mention that the resurrection process puts the soul back into the person though.
[close]

Crazy Hickman-retconning/re-writing going on here.

Just saw this and man that entire thing is mental.

But a tear came to my eye when
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Apocalypse had his "i knew you had it in you" moment, joins and Xavier welcomes him home.
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 :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 18, 2019, 08:57:46 PM
JJ Abrams and son's Spider-Man comic sounds kinda crazy, too- it's got his trademark style from a write-up I saw-- alternate universe stuff where the main character is Peter and MJ's son (of course named "Ben.")  It actually almost comes off as like his Star Wars movie.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 22, 2019, 01:08:05 PM
Read all of House Of and Powers Of X up to the current issues.  Amazing story- doesn't feel like traditional X stuff at all and characters don't even seem to act the same way, but it doesn't matter- this is just a damn good read with good art to boot.

Then I read Major X and it was like the polar opposite.  Just complete, nonsensical shit in every way possible.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 22, 2019, 02:09:50 PM
Is major x some future reality Deadpool? Because he sure looks like he’s supposed to be.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 22, 2019, 02:39:21 PM
Is major x some future reality Deadpool? Because he sure looks like he’s supposed to be.

Naw, but funny you mention Deadpool- there is different version of him who pops up named "Dreadpool" and has a more armor-like design.  Rob makes an obvious in-joke (through the real Deadpool) that this is supposed to be Deathstroke.  That's the only props I'll give him for this turd.  :lol

"Major X" looks more like a glorified Rob Liefeld Power Ranger to me.  In fact the #0 issue has "Colonel X," "Private X," "Corporal X" etc. wearing the same armor with different colors.  :doge

I might have my timing off, but the basic story is as follows-

Major X is from another reality/dimension/whatever that was created or found and maintained (the story is so fucking confusing that's hard to tell) by some other super-powered being who I've never heard of before.  Dude is dressed like a neon-colored purple ninja from American Ninja or something.  He opens a portal to this dimension to lead mutants and Atlanteans away from humans so everyone can live in peace. 

Anyway, one day Major X is driving around on his shitty motor bike that also happens to be capable of time travel (where did this come from?  Where did ANY tech here come from, for that matter?  They went to what is essentially a new world with zero technology available, lol) and stuff starts disappearing and crumbling around him.  He is then joined by "M'Koy," who looks like a derpier version of the Beast, only grey and with red stripes. 

They escape and go back in time to save their world.  How are they going to do this?  Beats me!  Who cares!  Rob sure doesn't!  They end up in what I guess is supposed to be 1991 and confront Cable and a couple of X-Force folks in the danger room.  Shitty fights happen and then it's all about Cable and Wolverine who just sort of pops up out of nowhere because why not.  Major X is revealed to be Cable's son from the future.  He's also black and has white hair, so HINT HINT about who his mother is.  Deadpool also pops up and is well-known by everyone despite him being unknown or not even introduced during this time period.  Dreadpool attacks and more fighting and :zzz and shitty art and then Major X and Beast-guy go forward to 2019.

At this point I started skimming through most of it because of how bad it was.  Basically the baddies are the Atlantis folks who hate the governing policies in the other dimension and some scientist guy.  Old super-powered dude who founded the new dimension pulls a Yoda and just sort of dies/disappears and then some random girl introduced gets his power.  It makes no sense whatsoever.  Then the Atlantis people reveal that old-man Namor is with them and he summons a big fish monster and more fighting and shit and who fucking cares.

The only other thing to note here is that 1991 Cable acts like he knows about all of this stuff and is not surprised to see his son despite never having mentioned him before or after.  Despite the fact that Cable was killed and replaced by a younger version of himself a year or two ago, an "old man" version of Cable pops up with a mohawk and ZZ-top beard to help Major X at the end.   ???  They meet Storm, who doesn't really seem to care that she has an adult son running around who was born after fucking Cable (when did this happen?  :lol) and Major X goes off to do whatever and this shitty comic is over.   BUT WAIT there's the #0 issue, which after having a brief story with Major X and the other Power Rangers, then changes to...a Wolverine story.  WUT

I give it five Robs out of five and really have to wonder how anyone approved this for publication. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 23, 2019, 12:24:16 PM
Holy shit? Why did Marve Let Rob Liefeld do a story, that sounds amazingly bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 09:45:35 PM
started reading Force Works (1994-1995) which I discovered an Epic Collection of at the library, it's like an ultimate 90s production, terrible overworked art, ever shifting inhuman body types, bad dialogue, awful pacing, incoherent scenes, unnecessary "detail" lines on male faces, lots of yelling when regular speech would do, etc.

the art of U.S. Agent especially is some of the worst I've ever seen in a Marvel/DC work

it's pretty incredible, it's also some of Dan Abnett and Andy Lanning's first mainstream work I believe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 10:54:09 PM
Was that the garbage that replaced West Coast Avengers?   :lol

Stealth edit: Yup.  CHECK OUT THAT 'TUDE! 

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/cmx-images-prod/Item/371441/Previews/a99d2667446e7a3995d2f94317086bc0._SX1280_QL80_TTD_.jpg)

The only thing missing are the bomber jackets with pushed-up sleeves.  Remember when that was a thing and the early 90s idea of updating a character design was just throwing a brown jacket over their costume?   Throw in a mullet and a five o'clock shadow for the guys.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 10:58:34 PM
Rare depiction of Black Knight before he got hit by the 90s!

(https://i.pinimg.com/474x/fa/d1/b0/fad1b0c2e5b0bf40242bbd1a62a0134c--marvel-girl-th-anniversary.jpg)


After the 90s!

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/d1/a8/da/d1a8da5d26c11a0d9d63ba239c4b8041.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:02:31 PM
The only thing missing are the bomber jackets with pushed-up sleeves.  Remember when that was a thing and the early 90s idea of updating a character design was just throwing a brown jacket over their costume?   Throw in a mullet and a five o'clock shadow for the guys.  :doge
It's not missing at all. U.S. Agent literally has all of these when he's off-duty. :lol

The actual storyline and such isn't THAT BAD (though I generally like Abnett and Lanning) but so many aspects of it are just 1994 so fucking hard, especially the art, it's killing me and I'm trying to sorta skim the visuals. It's not working as I keep stopping to look again at panels in baffled amazement.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 11:05:50 PM
'TUDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/e4/Fantastic_Four_Vol_1_375.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180106035932)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:09:21 PM
Also the whole hook is supposed to be that Tony and the others are tired of the Avengers reactive policy after the failure of West Coast Avengers, so they're going to be proactive and take care of problems beforehand as FORCE WORKS. In the first eight issues, they did this literally once, every other time they're reacting to some bad guy or whatever attacking first.

This somehow lasted 22 issues, the epic collection collects the first 15. Apparently at that point the main story for the series sorta just ends and it becomes extra pages for the Avengers crossover "The Crossing" so the rest of it is in that collection and like everybody goes back to the Avengers or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 11:11:11 PM
Will go back and check it out- pretty sure I bought the first few issues back then but '95 is when I quit reading Marvel for like nine years.  It just got so bad.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:17:29 PM
BEHOLD

(https://i.imgur.com/gqrcpO2.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:25:10 PM
found a bunch of the bad art from the earlier issues:

(https://i.imgur.com/0XIaQ29.png)

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR FACE:

(https://i.imgur.com/tzYS6v7.png)(https://i.imgur.com/TVpXBSU.png)

LOOK AT THIS FUCKING PANEL

(https://i.imgur.com/yWOctoo.png)

LOOK AT EVERYTHING ON THIS PAGE

(https://i.imgur.com/1JQZ7xF.png)

WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOUR HANDS

(https://i.imgur.com/BmcAQSi.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:25:46 PM
OMG LOOK AT THESE ARMS

(https://i.imgur.com/wLPlVZ7.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 11:27:33 PM
THE JACKET!  THE FIVE O'CLOCK SHADOW IN FULL FORCE!

:rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 11:30:32 PM
DC did it a bit, too!

(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/marvel_dc/images/3/34/Superboy_Annual_Vol_4_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090127152017)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:31:13 PM
Spider-Woman is the only one in the first five issues that doesn't have at least one panel per issue where their body is fucked up, I assume it must be because of her costume or something. Although her hair length varies even on the same page at times.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 11:32:17 PM
And let's not forget Mike Deodato SEX-AY Wonder Woman!

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/A1kYnQkF6vL.jpg)
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/11/31/48/1131481fbdc6519423467de278fb75a9.jpg)

:exxy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:36:28 PM
like look at this simple panel of Tony firing his blasts:
(https://i.imgur.com/JZvU49D.png)

why does it have this weird art background? what is up with his body proportions? wait, does he only have three fingers?  I'LL -- TAKE IT FROM HERE!!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 28, 2019, 11:39:54 PM
somebody should use this mid-90s art style for one of the animated movies

really they missed a chance with Captain Marvel to give characters jackets and pouches everywhere
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 11:40:51 PM
90S GREEN AND PURPLE!!!

It looks more like he has one six-fingered hand.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 28, 2019, 11:43:04 PM
somebody should use this mid-90s art style for one of the animated movies

really they missed a chance with Captain Marvel to give characters jackets and pouches everywhere

(https://robliefeldcreations.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/Bloodstrike.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 29, 2019, 01:15:24 AM
Scarlet witch in force works is everything.

Massive breasts in lingerie as her superhero costume :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on September 29, 2019, 01:28:39 PM
Wait you mean to tell me that none of these pics were done by Liefeld?  ???

WTF  :mindblown
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 29, 2019, 01:32:53 PM
So many hilariously-bad depictions of characters in the early Force Works issues.   :lol

I looked at some of the later ones and it had some better artists working on it, but they aren't much better and might have been just starting out, like Jim Cheung.

West Coast Avengers #102 was also essentially the "zero issue" to the first one.  Just all the Avengers sitting around talking about disbanding the team, a few of them getting pissed, and quitting.  U.S. Agent with the worst redesign by far.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 29, 2019, 08:19:11 PM
Can anyone think of another artist than Liefeld who was massively popular in his day, but later clowned and reviled for the same work people previously loved?

Like Jim lee was also popular around the same time, but generally people still think his art doesn’t suck ass.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tripon on September 29, 2019, 08:54:01 PM
Can anyone think of another artist than Liefeld who was massively popular in his day, but later clowned and reviled for the same work people previously loved?

Like Jim lee was also popular around the same time, but generally people still think his art doesn’t suck ass.

Greg Land.

(https://i.annihil.us/u/prod/marvel/i/mg/9/e0/4bb798c6418af/standard_incredible.jpg)

Just kidding, I don't think Land was ever popular with readers. He was definitely popular with editors since he would complete his work on time despite clearly tracing a lot of his comic models from porn models.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 29, 2019, 09:04:33 PM
Liefeld was getting shat on even in the early-mid 90s. It wasn't just his art that people hated- he clearly stole poses from other artists and used them in his comics.  IIRC Wizard had an article on this in like '92 or '93.

And this is still up, lol-

https://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/4/21/2960508/worst-rob-liefeld-drawings

https://www.progressiveboink.com/2012/6/14/3084348/the-second-40-worst-rob-liefeld-drawings

You know what though?  He got his own Levi's commercial.  Take that, haterz. :smug

https://youtu.be/LJhoa2SVGNA

"Rob, have you had any formal art training?"
"No."

:dead



Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 30, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
I kind of forgot about Greg Land. 😂 god I hate his art. I probably hate it more than Liefeld. Is he even still around?

I always had a hard time putting my finger on exactly what I hated about it though.its bad in a much more subtle way.

I don’t remember the Liefeld backpack, but I was like 10 when he was popular. I’m pretty sure his books sold through well though, so some people didn’t hate it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 30, 2019, 11:01:55 AM
I kind of forgot about Greg Land. 😂 god I hate his art. I probably hate it more than Liefeld. Is he even still around?

I always had a hard time putting my finger on exactly what I hated about it though.its bad in a much more subtle way.

Greg Land is still around- he did an X-book recently.  I remember his older art being OK when he was drawing for Crossgen.  It's whenever he decided to start tracing over photos of porn stars or whatever that things got bad. 

(https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/146/769/f7b.jpg)
(https://i0.wp.com/24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4ljdiaTFy1qd77iwo1_500.jpg)
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Now all that I’ve mentioned is pretty atrocious, but here’s where it gets unbelievably worse. Observant comic fans have noticed that a lot of his references appear to be directly taken from porn films. There isn’t an argument more convincing than this picture
(https://i2.wp.com/media.insidepulse.com/old/columnImages2007/image36860.jpg)

I don’t remember the Liefeld backpack, but I was like 10 when he was popular. I’m pretty sure his books sold through well though, so some people didn’t hate it.

Oh, his books sold like crazy.  That was also during the comic collecting boom when so much stuff was on fire, though- especially anything X-Men related.  It was all about the artists for the younger crowd, at least- even Rob.  But I don't remember his stuff being anywhere near as popular as the other artists when they all went to Image.  Stuff like Spawn and WildCATs were way more popular than the likes of Youngblood, IIRC.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 07:42:40 PM
wasn't there another guy that got caught tracing porn? I remember wondering what the odds were that two artists were caught doing it

this was before they were hiring artists off DeviantArt and stuff so it wasn't common for artists to have porn backgrounds
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 07:47:52 PM
my favorite thing of that Captain America image is the view from above somebody made that I can't find

I did find somebody suggesting it's actually not as bad as it could be:
(http://www.orgamesmic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/liefeld.jpg)

also this is amazing:
(https://i.imgur.com/ulipdaB.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 30, 2019, 08:27:56 PM
Is that like...self parody

If only- he likes to re-use poses and shit.  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 08:50:48 PM
Has Liefield ever acknowledged the mockery his art gets? I know Jim Lee and some of the other Image founders have admitted they drew/made some bad stuff in the 90s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 30, 2019, 08:58:05 PM
Has Liefield ever acknowledged the mockery his art gets? I know Jim Lee and some of the other Image founders have admitted they drew/made some bad stuff in the 90s.

Yeah:

https://comicsalliance.com/rob-liefeld-haters/

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You are producing work that is consumed and judged by the public and with today's social media and the 24 blogosphere, you better put on your big boy pants when you go outside. You are going to get poked. At some point, some where the worm will turn, it's not a promise it's a fact. Give me any one of your comic book sacred cows and I'll show you the blog, the thread or the review that tears them a new one. It's all in how you apply your perspective.

[...]

In the late 90′s, the magazine formerly known as the Wizard came after me strong and hard, I was the brunt of jokes for an entire staff of angry fanboys, as much as can be poured on was poured on. But I kept focus as anyone in that situation should. Just because one tribe piles on you, take shelter and continue to work towards your next goal, your next project. Don't be discouraged and remember that there are many fans of your work rooting for you to succeed.

[...]

I was drawing the third issue of a sold out comic book featuring characters that had not carried their own title in 20 years, do I let these attacks get to me? Sorry, I have no time and I have deadlines to meet, and arguing with any of these bloggers would accomplish nothing. DO NOT EVER send a negative comment or engage a negative review, its pointless and takes up valuable time. I advocate moving forward and servicing your fan base.

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Laugh at yourself. it's the single most important aspect of surviving this crazy business. And that's from the man that gave Cap boobs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 09:16:39 PM
Ah, yeah, I had thought he had at least commented on that Cap picture once.

It's funny that at some level he understands, and even more than most people explain exactly the specific things they hate about his art, but he still falls back on "haters/fanboys" reasoning. Liefeld gets it most because it's just his style is so forever representative of the era. Jim Lee stopped drawing the same way as the trends (and his skills) changed. Even McFarlane changed and he was the other posterboy of the era.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 30, 2019, 09:19:24 PM
Despite the fact that we clown rob Liefeld, I actually prefer his art to some other artists.

Like Erica Henderson. Pure trash
Javier Pulido.
Whoever drew those godawful force issues last year.

I don’t love Greg land or rob liefield, but they are far from the worst.

I don’t like frank quitely’s art on most cape
Books either. He just draws everyone looking weird as fuck. Like his X-men art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 30, 2019, 09:20:19 PM
Ah, yeah, I had thought he had at least commented on that Cap picture once.

It's funny that at some level he understands, and even more than most people explain exactly the specific things they hate about his art, but he still falls back on "haters/fanboys" reasoning. Liefeld gets it most because it's just his style is so forever representative of the era. Jim Lee stopped drawing the same way as the trends (and his skills) changed. Even McFarlane changed and he was the other posterboy of the era.

McFarlane mostly just stopped drawing.

I still like his art though, even if it screams 90s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 09:27:47 PM
Frank Quitely might be the most highly regarded artist I actively dislike most of the time. I don't know what Morrison and Millar see in him. Although Millar seems to do something to make him draw "different", Jupiter's Legacy/Circle isn't as awful for example.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 30, 2019, 09:32:33 PM
I don't care for Frank Quietly's art either, but he actually understands what anatomy is, unlike Rob.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 30, 2019, 09:45:23 PM
maybe Rob is a prominent ResetERA.com member :wag
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on September 30, 2019, 11:49:46 PM
Frank Quitely might be the most highly regarded artist I actively dislike most of the time. I don't know what Morrison and Millar see in him. Although Millar seems to do something to make him draw "different", Jupiter's Legacy/Circle isn't as awful for example.

Sometimes you get something that looks pretty good like this:
https://twitter.com/dailyhaljordan/status/1050423991905804289


Sometimes you get whatever the fuck is going on here:
https://twitter.com/stackedpodcast/status/1043207273139458053

It looks like the art in Manhattan projects.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 01, 2019, 12:37:45 AM
I actually think some of his issues in New X-men look awesome and it really fit the tone of that book. It was a weird book and Jim Lee ish art would'nt have worked.

Is that podcast good by the way?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on October 01, 2019, 08:52:01 AM
No idea. I was just looking for pictures of his art.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 02, 2019, 03:48:51 PM
I love Quitelys layouts, but yeah, I find most of his humans to look deformed
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on October 06, 2019, 12:29:45 PM
I was trying to remember what Frank drew and then saw that new X-Men cover...

Well Art is subjective and all that  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 08, 2019, 11:50:40 PM
Monstress, fuck yeah :gladbron :leon :whew :whoo :delicious

little fox :heart :-[ :heart hugging her tail :uguu
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 09, 2019, 01:36:43 PM
House and Powers Of X are now completed.

Was a satisfying story to read overall, but I still think that this didn't "feel" like X-Men.  The way a lot of the characters acted just didn't fit how they've been depicted before.  Will let Moira slide since this story retconned pretty much everything about her.  I guess that also explains why characters came off differently, too, because OF Moira changing things, but still.  I expect things to go back to normal when the new X books start.

I think it kind of leaves you with as many questions as when the story started, but it was still a good way to end this prologue for the upcoming relaunch that starts next week.  This really was a huge reboot for the whole series.

Am assuming that the Red King is going to be
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the Red Queen and will be Kitty Pryde based on the Marauders book coming out.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: shosta on October 22, 2019, 02:00:38 AM
House and Powers Of X are now completed.

Was a satisfying story to read overall, but I still think that this didn't "feel" like X-Men.  The way a lot of the characters acted just didn't fit how they've been depicted before.  Will let Moira slide since this story retconned pretty much everything about her.  I guess that also explains why characters came off differently, too, because OF Moira changing things, but still.  I expect things to go back to normal when the new X books start.

I think it kind of leaves you with as many questions as when the story started, but it was still a good way to end this prologue for the upcoming relaunch that starts next week.  This really was a huge reboot for the whole series.

Am assuming that the Red King is going to be
spoiler (click to show/hide)
the Red Queen and will be Kitty Pryde based on the Marauders book coming out.
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Is this the Hickman thing?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on October 22, 2019, 05:34:05 AM
Dawn of X

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Apparently Logan is chilling with Scott's Family along with Jean and all 3 of their rooms are connected to each other (Jean in the middle)  :phil

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 22, 2019, 05:50:16 AM
Shosta- Yes!

Dawn of X

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Apparently Logan is chilling with Scott's Family along with Jean and their rooms are connected to each other  :phil

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:exxy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on October 22, 2019, 06:56:21 PM
Shosta- Yes!

Dawn of X

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Apparently Logan is chilling with Scott's Family along with Jean and their rooms are connected to each other  :phil

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:exxy


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Mister Sinister said something in one of his notes in the House of X books that alluded to this scenario and it looks like Emma is also along for the ride?.

Now to wait for the porno spoof :phil :phil  :lol  :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 23, 2019, 02:29:19 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/mUK3uc1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 28, 2019, 10:30:55 AM
X-Men #1: Feels like a straight continuation of Powers Of/House Of X, which makes sense since Hickman is the writer here.  Mostly focuses on Cyclops.  Nothing really happens in this issue- it's another X-Men staple "slice of life" comic for the most part.  The Sentinel-building bad-guy humans are still around, too.

Marauders #1: Really should be called "Kate 'Don't Call Me 'Kitty'' Pryde": The Comic.  This was surprisingly good and very different in tone (a lot more light-hearted) than the Hickman X-Men comics.  Kitty is the sole mutant who cannot use the teleport gates to go back and forth from/to Krakoa and becomes a sailor instead to get there, then is hired by Emma Frost to be captain of a big ship for the Hellfire Trading Company. 

I read some previews that said "Kitty is the new Wolverine" and that's kind of true, since she takes up getting hammered to ease stress and is just a total badass in fight scenes, while having a bit of a sense of humor.  I wasn't big on her being the leader of the X-Men in the Gold series (boring and devoid of personality) and this is a much, much more fun take on the character that really has me liking her again. 

She is joined by Iceman, Storm, and Pyro (the original Aussie version) and Bishop pops up too.  At the end they raise up an X-themed jolly roger on the ship- am all for X-Pirates.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 28, 2019, 12:18:30 PM
Marvel just can't stop it with "Old Man Logan" even after he dies- Dead Man Logan #12 will set up an "Avengers Of The Wasteland" series starring Dani Cage (as Thor), Hulk Jr., and a new Ant-Man.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 02, 2019, 11:48:04 PM
The Batman Who Laughs series was great Snyder nonsense. The Tales From The Dark Multiverse rewrites of past DC events are pretty amusing too, I particularly liked the Death of Superman one where Lois goes unhinged.

The Umbrella Academy - Hotel Oblivion was one hell of an extended setup, Gerard, you better have the next part coming quicker than Young Animal's non-schedule or you're in time out until you finish it.

There's been no delays on the last part of Doomsday Clock yet. Six weeks. Is Johns going to actually make it this year AND pull off the story?!?

Everything else I've got on my table is old stuff... oh wait, I read Heroes In Crisis, that was pretty stupid :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on November 18, 2019, 09:15:40 AM
The Batman Who Laughs series was great Snyder nonsense. The Tales From The Dark Multiverse rewrites of past DC events are pretty amusing too, I particularly liked the Death of Superman one where Lois goes unhinged.

The Umbrella Academy - Hotel Oblivion was one hell of an extended setup, Gerard, you better have the next part coming quicker than Young Animal's non-schedule or you're in time out until you finish it.

There's been no delays on the last part of Doomsday Clock yet. Six weeks. Is Johns going to actually make it this year AND pull off the story?!?

Everything else I've got on my table is old stuff... oh wait, I read Heroes In Crisis, that was pretty stupid :lol

I read the first Umbrella Academy and then bought the 2nd and 3rd but never read them. So for me it'll be like Doomsday Clock is the fresh new thing when I eventually grab it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 18, 2019, 10:14:21 AM
Excalibur #1: Kinda 'eh' to me.  It does have Captain Britain (Brian) and Meggan in it, but the latter has no real part in the story and Brian is turned into a bad guy, leading to Betsy becoming the new Captain Britain after stuff with a Krakoa portal popping up in a magical Camelot realm pisses off Morgan LeFay, who retaliates.  Something that has started coming up in multiple X-books is that Apocalypse knows more about Krakoa and related stuff than he is leading on, and this is no different.  He's totally gonna do a predictable heel turn on everybody at some point.

X-Force #1: Domino fucks up an attempt to go undercover and infiltrate a mutant-hating group, who then somehow find a way to make themselves all appear to be her so they can attack Krakoa and get through its defenses (handled by Black Tom Cassidy).  The terrorists look like Reavers but it's not said if they are or not, get on the island, and proceed to kill people- including Professor X.  Of course with mutants able to be brought back, this isn't as big a deal, although X being dead is kind of a problem.  Still expect him to pop back up soon enough.  This issue makes the X-Men look really fucking dumb, too- for a group of superheroes used to dealing with attacks on their own, they sure did a shitty job.  We also get a subplot where it appears that Krakoa may still be 'evil' and possibly just letting all the mutants stay there, and get comfortable, so that it can take all their energy for itself.

Fallen Angels #1: KwannonPsylocke is all emo about being resurrected and doesn't feel at home on Krakoa, so she leaves go do thangs and brings X-23 along with her.  Kid Cable will end up tagging along.  Felt kind of boring.  Can see this one getting canceled.  One thing I do like, that has been shown in multiple books, is this kind of tension between Betsy and Kwannon where Betsy kind of wants to talk with her, but Kwannon just avoids Betsy and doesn't want anything to do with her.  Maybe it would help to not use her code name and costume?
 :doge

Still need to read New Mutants #1 (supposed to be more light-hearted) and X-Men #2, featuring Krakoa going to another another island and fucking it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 18, 2019, 10:23:24 AM
Also read through the previous, pre-Hickman reboot X-Men series that ended earlier this year.  I read the first couple of issues but stopped because I wasn't feeling the whole "Age Of X-Man" thing or whatever it was called.  Didn't read that series either since it seemed stupid.

While that is going on, the remaining mutants not involved in that storyline all come together after Cyclops and Wolverine return from the dead and put together a new team, which is mainly New Mutants/X-Factor people.  This is the book that got some attention for killing off characters (including when Rahne quits the team and gets killed by three guys who claimed she "trapped" them, in an infamous story that got the writer in some trouble on social media) and fucking up others (Cyclops loses an eye and Madrox dupes are all kinds of fucked up, including one sort of turning into Warlock), but knowing that it all gets rebooted kind of made it more fun to read.  Was very much an "X-Men at their low point" kind of storyline- their home base becomes the back of a bar, lol. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 18, 2019, 12:06:48 PM
I read the first Umbrella Academy and then bought the 2nd and 3rd but never read them. So for me it'll be like Doomsday Clock is the fresh new thing when I eventually grab it.
Oh, you've got Dallas? If you liked Apocalypse Suite at all, definitely check it out when you have time. You can probably wait on Hotel Oblivion since it's the first part of two. Dallas works as a standalone aside from the stuff that continues throughout the entire series.

Gerard thankfully confirmed the fourth book is already written as a story, he just has to write it into issues so it can be drawn. He did another Doom Patrol series for a break because of the show but it's not supposed to take as long as Hotel Oblivion did.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 19, 2019, 10:47:15 AM
There's been no delays on the last part of Doomsday Clock yet. Six weeks. Is Johns going to actually make it this year AND pull off the story?!?

Would be pretty crazy if they timed the release to the finale of HBO's Watchmen. :awesome Which I think is 4 weeks away.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on November 19, 2019, 02:07:51 PM
There's been no delays on the last part of Doomsday Clock yet. Six weeks. Is Johns going to actually make it this year AND pull off the story?!?

Would be pretty crazy if they timed the release to the finale of HBO's Watchmen. :awesome Which I think is 4 weeks away.

Which season of watchmen?!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 19, 2019, 02:40:01 PM
:thinking...!

:ohyou
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 22, 2019, 11:07:33 PM
https://www.newsarama.com/47998-superman-vs-dr-manhattan-in-doomsday-clock-1-first-look.html

HERE WE GO BENJIBOYS :jeb
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 23, 2019, 10:37:24 PM
It's going to be a Supes vs. Manchester Black third time. Book it.

I just hope Supes connects with that punch, Doctor Manhattan has needed to be laid out by someone since the original series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 05, 2019, 03:45:43 AM
Tasty, Tales from the Dark Multiverse: Infinite Crisis ;)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 09:39:53 AM
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DC's mega-event "Infinite Crisis" saw the destruction of the Trinity, the rise of Alexander Luthor and Superboy-Prime, and the rebirth of the Multiverse...but it all started with Ted Kord, the Blue Beetle, who saw it all coming and died with secrets that could've saved the world. But...things happened differently in the Dark Multiverse! Not only does Blue Beetle survive- he thrives! And after killing Maxwell Lord himself, Ted sets off a chain of events that irreversibly alters the lives of the Justice League and his best friend, Booster Gold. In trying to prevent a crisis, Blue Beetle becomes the Crisis...and the Dark Multiverse will never be the same.

This synopsis is Really Really Good™.

Dark Multiverse hitting those Convergence fanboy sweet spots :lawd
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 09:41:05 AM
Also Jesus I just read how Tim gets offed in the Injustice comics. That has to be some kind of fucking meta joke.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 05, 2019, 10:14:09 AM
New X-book coming next year.  There's another one or two titles also in the works.  Havok and Psylocke (Kwannon now) are also both former villains, so all 'bad guy' line-up?

Quote
Marvel released a piece of teaser art on Monday for "the most dysfunctional X-Men team you could possibly imagine," with the promise that a member of the team will be unveiled on the official Marvel Twitter account each day this week, beginning on Tuesday, December 3 at noon ET.

(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/x-men-dysfunctional-team-nanny-orphan-maker-teaser.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=928)

The storyline has stayed pretty interesting and they keep teasing that shit is gonna go down with some of the "former" villains living on Krakoa and possibly with Krakoa itself.  Apparently in a callback to the original storyline that introduced the island, it is revealed that Krakoa still needs to "feed" on at least a couple of mutants each year to sustain itself.  Rather than outright 'eat' them, it is sapping small amounts of their energy while they stay on the island.  Some of the other psychic-vampire types like Selene are also doing this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 10:45:59 AM
If it's consensual and necessary for survival... :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 05, 2019, 11:00:04 AM
New X-book coming next year.  There's another one or two titles also in the works.  Havok and Psylocke (Kwannon now) are also both former villains, so all 'bad guy' line-up?

Quote
Marvel released a piece of teaser art on Monday for "the most dysfunctional X-Men team you could possibly imagine," with the promise that a member of the team will be unveiled on the official Marvel Twitter account each day this week, beginning on Tuesday, December 3 at noon ET.

(https://static0.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/x-men-dysfunctional-team-nanny-orphan-maker-teaser.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=928)

The storyline has stayed pretty interesting and they keep teasing that shit is gonna go down with some of the "former" villains living on Krakoa and possibly with Krakoa itself.  Apparently in a callback to the original storyline that introduced the island, it is revealed that Krakoa still needs to "feed" on at least a couple of mutants each year to sustain itself.  Rather than outright 'eat' them, it is sapping small amounts of their energy while they stay on the island.  Some of the other psychic-vampire types like Selene are also doing this.

Guesses:

Wild child
Bishop
Warlock
Cyclops dad
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 05, 2019, 11:01:23 AM
Tasty, Tales from the Dark Multiverse: Infinite Crisis ;)

Are these largely good? I’ve seen em at the shop and thought about grabbing one.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 11:02:14 AM
I imagine like with Convergence, the quality varies wildly. But even a bad "what-if" could have fun ideas.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 05, 2019, 11:04:53 AM
Guesses:

Wild child
Bishop
Warlock
Cyclops dad

Could be Wild Child on the top, yeah.  Wondering if it's Sabertooth, Emplate, or maybe even Lady Deathstrike, though.  Bishop and Corsair are featured in other X-books already and don't fit the description.  Warlock is kinda-sorta back already in other books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 05, 2019, 11:11:11 AM
If it's consensual and necessary for survival... :idont

They're dropping not-so-subtle hints that the "former" villains like Sinister, Apocalypse, etc. all have their own agendas.  BE SHOCKED, BREHS!  :o

Can't see this not ending with Krakoa turning on them all and the X-Men back in the mansion at some point.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 05, 2019, 11:39:08 AM
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Can't see this not ending with Krakoa turning on them all and the X-Men back in the mansion at some point.

Yeah, everyone knows this is coming. And reversion to the status quo takes a lot of the dramatic wind out of comic book plotlines in general. I started enjoying comics on two levels to compensate:

1. Enjoy the plotline on its own, as self-contained as possible. Some great runs by great writers and artists fall easily into this mold. Ignore the mess of plots/characters before and after the run you're reading, and try to ignore any connective tissue to other books/crossovers in the book itself.

2. Enjoy the ongoing comics universe as a pulped up version of soap operas, which similarly never seem to end. So like, the current season of DC ain't doing it for me, but maybe next year when Helena Cassadine comes back as the ice queen? :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 05, 2019, 02:05:42 PM
Guesses:

Wild child
Bishop
Warlock
Cyclops dad

Could be Wild Child on the top, yeah.  Wondering if it's Sabertooth, Emplate, or maybe even Lady Deathstrike, though.  Bishop and Corsair are featured in other X-books already and don't fit the description.  Warlock is kinda-sorta back already in other books.

I could see emplate, maybe. The shadow looks kind of hippy with a rack. Looks too slender for Sabre tooth (but the hands loolk to meaty for lady deathstroke, hence the wild child guess).

Maybe the bishop one is forge? Also thought that the big head thing looks like mojo or something.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 05, 2019, 02:31:00 PM
Quote
Can't see this not ending with Krakoa turning on them all and the X-Men back in the mansion at some point.

Yeah, everyone knows this is coming. And reversion to the status quo takes a lot of the dramatic wind out of comic book plotlines in general. I started enjoying comics on two levels to compensate:

1. Enjoy the plotline on its own, as self-contained as possible. Some great runs by great writers and artists fall easily into this mold. Ignore the mess of plots/characters before and after the run you're reading, and try to ignore any connective tissue to other books/crossovers in the book itself.

2. Enjoy the ongoing comics universe as a pulped up version of soap operas, which similarly never seem to end. So like, the current season of DC ain't doing it for me, but maybe next year when Helena Cassadine comes back as the ice queen? :idont

Yup, I've been doing that for a while now.  I'll follow and read stuff from the creators I like and don't just stick with a book if the direction or creative changes and I don't care for it.

Fell out with DC stuff for the last...three years already, I think?  Not sure what I want to check out.  Batman still sounds pretty solid and I might go back to Green Lantern.  I enjoyed Harley Quinn, but that was when it was Palmiotti and Conner doing the writing and they're off it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2019, 02:19:37 AM
Are these largely good? I’ve seen em at the shop and thought about grabbing one.
I quite liked the Death of Superman one, Knightfall was pretty meh, I haven't seen the other one (Blackest Night?) that's out yet

I imagine if you don't know the original stories they're pretty meh, actually that's what I don't like about the Knightfall one, Azrael beats Bruce and then it just skips ahead 30 years, the Death of Superman/Infinite Crisis ones both deal with the events that actually happened like all the impostor Supermen, etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 06, 2019, 08:20:18 AM
Now with Mr. Sinister and Scalphunter.

(https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/ELCdXROXsAEa0sZ.jpeg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=928)

...Who is Scalphunter?  :lol  ???  I guess I missed all the comics he popped up in or just don't remember him.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 06, 2019, 12:18:30 PM
He's from the late 80s, all the Marauders stories, I think he was a Sinister goon too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 06, 2019, 01:39:58 PM
Somehow, this makes me more confident in my Wild Child guess.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 06, 2019, 03:14:39 PM
Somehow, this makes me more confident in my Wild Child guess.

You win the prize!

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Writer Zeb Wells and artist Stephen Segovia are the creative team on Hellions, a new X-Men spinoff series that brings together mutantkind’s most dangerous outcasts -- Wild Child, Nanny, Orphan Maker, Empath, and Scalphunter -- with the X-Men's Psylocke and Havok, all under the leadership of Mister Sinister.

(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/HELLIONS2020001-cover.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1120)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 17, 2019, 07:10:24 PM
I just got charged for the final issue of Doom Cock :gladbron

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Fucking $6.37 jeeze :social2
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on December 17, 2019, 09:03:40 PM
They've had them since the 80's.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 17, 2019, 11:14:18 PM
i can't wait for the crushing disappointment or triumphant justification for the last year two three years of nonsense :jeb
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 18, 2019, 12:05:00 AM
year two three years of nonsense

:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 01:03:09 AM
WHERE IS IT I EXPECTED IT READY WHEN I WAS DONE WITH TITANFALL 2

ANOTHER GEOFF JOHNS DELAY

 :rage

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i know they're not always ready at midnight :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 18, 2019, 02:26:14 AM
Somehow, this makes me more confident in my Wild Child guess.

You win the prize!

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Writer Zeb Wells and artist Stephen Segovia are the creative team on Hellions, a new X-Men spinoff series that brings together mutantkind’s most dangerous outcasts -- Wild Child, Nanny, Orphan Maker, Empath, and Scalphunter -- with the X-Men's Psylocke and Havok, all under the leadership of Mister Sinister.

(https://static1.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/HELLIONS2020001-cover.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1120)

Mister Sinister leading huh? :hitler

I expect that to not be shady as fuck.  :P


Dawn of X - X-Force

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Domino got done really fucking dirty holy shit  :o :-\

 Interesting seeing Quentin Quire again though

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 18, 2019, 05:02:04 AM
 :goty2

Last Knight On Earth :hmm

time to catch up on Tom King Batman, I stopped at the Wedding to wait on it :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 18, 2019, 10:06:24 AM
Spider-Woman gets another costume.  Much better than the last one, but I don't like the Spider-Man influence on the top half.  Reminds too much of Miles' costume, too.

(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/SWOMAN2020001-cov.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1120)
:nope

(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/SWOMAN2020001-cov-classic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1120)
:ohyeah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Momo on December 19, 2019, 07:39:47 AM
Batman (Tom King), Doomsday Cock, thoughts?


Dont give a flying shit about Last Knight on earth so dont @ me  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 19, 2019, 08:06:48 AM
Will read through all of Doomsday Clock now that it's done, but what the hell happened at the end there?  ???

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Are they also acknowledging that The New 52 is now a separate multiverse?
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2019, 08:48:04 AM
Will read through all of Doomsday Clock now that it's done, but what the hell happened at the end there?  ???

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Are they also acknowledging that The New 52 is now a separate multiverse?
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Well, its own Earth. Which is weird, since the current Superman is supposedly old Supes + New 52 Supes, but I guess Doom Cock #12 changes it again... so it's just old pre-New 52 Supes? And New 52 Supes has been separated out into its own universe?

John's plans for the future are fucking crazy, Secret Crisis. :lol Would be awesome to see but there's no way they're keeping these dates.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2019, 09:14:50 PM
METAL - hilarious over the top series that DC adds more parts to after it starts because more people want part of it, introduces their unexpected new Big Bad for the next few years, and immediately gets the green light for a sequel event, oh and brings back Hawkman

Doomsday Clock - super serious overlong event that gets delayed a hundred times, has no truly classic moments and everything that happens during it gets all but eliminated by the ending, but has Doctor Manhattan (again) deus ex machina the New 52 to bring back the JSA, Legion and others who have already returned to the DC Universe because Johns took forever and everybody already kinda already figured that this was what Rebirth indicated
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2019, 09:24:03 PM
I don't think any of those were supposed to be actual planned DC events, The Multiversity references a bunch of fake crossover events too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2019, 09:44:41 PM
from HaughtyFrank in garbage thread:
(https://i.imgur.com/dolemlV.jpg)

 :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2019, 11:44:27 PM
It's December 12, 2035.
I'm about to watch the
final Star Wars film.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 19, 2019, 11:45:20 PM
I don't think any of those were supposed to be actual planned DC events, The Multiversity references a bunch of fake crossover events too.

Johns is both crazy enough to try and has the clout to possibly actually make stuff happen. I would say, "Yeah no" but I've heard of crazier shit coming true...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on December 20, 2019, 03:39:41 PM
Doomsday Clock 12

Damn Superman is such a colossal boy scout that a literal God who gives no shits about anything around them starts to wonder the meaning of existence and eventually change their life following his example.

 :rejoice :preach :woody :jeb




 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on December 20, 2019, 10:18:40 PM
Spider-Woman gets another costume.  Much better than the last one, but I don't like the Spider-Man influence on the top half.  Reminds too much of Miles' costume, too.

(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/SWOMAN2020001-cov.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1120)
:nope

(https://static2.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/SWOMAN2020001-cov-classic.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=738&h=1120)
:ohyeah

She still got a baby? That seems like one of those things that will eventually get retconned, but she’s not an important character really, so they also might just eventually stop including the baby anymore.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rman on January 13, 2020, 08:07:56 AM
Do we have an indie thread as well? I saw one and no activity for a bit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on January 26, 2020, 04:13:47 AM
The new Batman storyline post-King is some nonsense lol
Do we have an indie thread as well? I saw one and no activity for a bit.
I just post about them in here. Thread's not crazy active enough that they get lost in the DC/Marvel stuff anyway. At least for me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 15, 2020, 11:22:15 AM
I am reading house/powers of x and don’t understand how Moira’s power works. She reincarnates, ok. But how it every body else like basically the same age when she has Grown to adulthood like 4 times?

The whole world resets every time she is reincarnated?!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 15, 2020, 12:10:06 PM
I am reading house/powers of x and don’t understand how Moira’s power works. She reincarnates, ok. But how it every body else like basically the same age when she has Grown to adulthood like 4 times?

The whole world resets every time she is reincarnated?!

Yes- she's living her life over and over again and everything resets for her.  They don't go in-depth but I think the assumption is that she's time-traveling back to when she was conceived when she dies, while retaining her memories of her previous life.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 16, 2020, 12:19:22 AM
That doesn’t really make any sense, but they should have tied it into some else worlds type shit like Age of Apocalypse. They kind of did, but it was not exactly AoA.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 16, 2020, 07:59:22 AM
isn't her power just groundhog daying it?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 16, 2020, 11:21:49 AM
Yes, it just seems like that is a power that creates a lot of continuity problems for every one else.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 16, 2020, 11:24:24 AM
Yup, and this gets ignored- they've also kept her hidden from 99% of the X-Men following House/Powers so it really doesn't matter (yet?).
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 17, 2020, 11:19:39 AM
Now that it’s established, it guarantees there will be eventually be a really bad crossover relying on her powers resetting the world.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 17, 2020, 11:42:17 AM
Now that it’s established, it guarantees there will be eventually be a really bad crossover relying on her powers resetting the world.

Her powers are limited:
Quote
According to Destiny, Moira's reincarnation cycle is finite. When she encountered Destiny during her third life, she was informed that she had "10, maybe 11" lives in total

10 is the current one.  But yeah, they could totally use this as a way to reset everything -again- if they want to.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 26, 2020, 01:24:05 AM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/25/what-is-dc-comics-5g/

Tasty come back and help me figure this out
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on February 26, 2020, 01:51:16 AM
The dumbest possible idea. It will be like some 6 month event at best.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 26, 2020, 02:27:11 AM
All New All Different Ultimate DC
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 26, 2020, 07:07:32 AM
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2020/02/25/what-is-dc-comics-5g/

Tasty come back and help me figure this out

DC Comics' Editor-In-Chief Dan Didio just left DC and was the one pushing for this, so nobody even knows if it's going to happen now, lol.

This looks like DC's take on what Marvel did 4-5 years ago where they're replacing their top superheroes with other characters and shit.  Do we need someone else as Batman again- especially when it's just Batwing, who already had a book?  Don't we already have a diverse group of Green Lanterns?  Aren't there already multiple Flash...es?  Stop doing this shit and try creating more NEW characters already.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 29, 2020, 04:49:09 AM
Monstress is back :ohyeah
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2020, 01:00:13 AM
Read Birthright which is coming down to its finale, was pretty alright, will read the rest. Some of it was pretty obvious coming plotwise but that was fine.

Read the first part of Manifest Destiny and this is probably canon, I've never actually read Lewis and Clark's journals and comics wouldn't just make up stuff like this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 18, 2020, 02:43:09 PM
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/newwarriors2020newkids-snowflake-and-safespace.jpg)

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/introducing-the-new-new-warriors

(https://i.imgur.com/3FItk6o.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tripon on March 18, 2020, 06:34:53 PM
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/newwarriors2020newkids-snowflake-and-safespace.jpg)

https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/introducing-the-new-new-warriors

(https://i.imgur.com/3FItk6o.png)

https://twitter.com/LilithLovett/status/1240080036306141184
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on March 18, 2020, 07:29:59 PM
and yet their team name glorifies military conquest  :social2 :curious
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 18, 2020, 07:37:53 PM
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/newwarriors2020newkids-trailblazer.jpg)

"Her power is the ability to eat more ice cream than anyone on the planet."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on March 18, 2020, 09:31:26 PM
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/836829._sx1280_ql80_ttd__1.jpg)

Those two look more twincesty than quicksilver and scarlet witch
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2020, 09:54:34 PM
DC's next big Crisis event and the sequel to METAL is going to be...

DEATH METAL

(https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2020/02-FEB/dm01_cvr_COLORhi_5e59b135ed4a21.28835334.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 19, 2020, 05:33:18 AM
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/newwarriors2020newkids-trailblazer.jpg)

"Her power is the ability to eat more ice cream than anyone on the planet."

Her actual non joke super power is what she does with all that junk, all that junk inside her trunk backpack

 :goty
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on March 19, 2020, 09:24:23 AM
(https://terrigen-cdn-dev.marvel.com/content/prod/1x/836829._sx1280_ql80_ttd__1.jpg)

Those two look more twincesty than quicksilver and scarlet witch

Deffo gonna read all 8 issues of this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 19, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
Wokester twins powers activate!
Form of... page 1 fatality in the next crossover to show the big bad means business!
Shape of... a future entry in a watchmojo top ten shittiest heroes ever video!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: toku on March 23, 2020, 10:26:26 PM
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1242224676316815361

Big enough to post here too but uh, physical comics are dead brehs. The margins have been too slim and for so long. This was happening anyway but over the next decade.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on April 08, 2020, 06:42:19 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/creator-spotlight-on-jonathan-hickman-image-comics-books

This bundle is insane if you haven't bought/bootlegged these. I've probably spent like $200 between East of West (my favorite on-going epic that just finished), Manhattan Project and Black Monday Murders 1 & 2. Highly recommend the $15 tier to anyone who doesn't own these already. Read East of West!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on April 08, 2020, 09:41:25 PM
Diamond going bust and other distributors being allowed into the game would probably be the best thing that ever happened to physical comic book stores tbh.
Its crazy their monopoly is allowed under 'well technically not a monopoly because other books exist' rulings.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 08, 2020, 11:07:10 PM
East of West was great, though the ending seemed kinda meh
Manhattan Projects are quite fun, especially as an alt-history

never read Dying and the Dead, might pop the $1 tier for that to check it out then consider going up

maybe I'll just go for the whole shebang like you say...

edit: went ahead and just dropped the $15, there's simply too much there for the price of a single trade
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 09, 2020, 05:19:18 PM
I forgot how much of Hickman's stuff is unfinished and just straight up ends with no conclusion in sight :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 23, 2020, 09:10:47 PM
DC's next big Crisis event and the sequel to METAL is going to be...

DEATH METAL

(https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2020/02-FEB/dm01_cvr_COLORhi_5e59b135ed4a21.28835334.jpg)

😒
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: StealthFan on April 23, 2020, 09:31:49 PM
modern superhero comics  :juicy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2020, 08:42:51 AM
Quote
This series tries to connect the Thorn and H20 timelines and makes and even more convoluted, stupid mess of a story :rejoice

:dizzy :dizzy :dizzy :dizzy  :mindblown
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on April 24, 2020, 09:57:15 AM
Chaos Comics Halloween 1-3 (2000-2001)




This series tries to connect the Thorn and H20 timelines and makes and even more convoluted, stupid mess of a story :rejoice




But why?  ???
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2020, 09:58:27 AM
modern superhero comics  :juicy

Comic snobs :social2

Cape comics are nerd soap operas. We've accepted this.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: StealthFan on April 24, 2020, 01:19:31 PM
modern superhero comics  :juicy

Comic snobs :social2

Cape comics are nerd soap operas. We've accepted this.
I fucking love cape comics. I just think the current era is trash. I think there are a lot of awful indie comics as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2020, 02:44:33 PM
DC is definitely trash right now and it hurts my heart. I don't keep up with Marvel or indies. :-[
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: StealthFan on April 24, 2020, 03:38:39 PM
I still can't believe they gave Bendis Superman...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2020, 05:28:34 PM
I still can't believe they gave Bendis Superman...

No one can. I haven't spoke to a single person who read DC comics who isn't violently opposed to that development.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: StealthFan on April 24, 2020, 08:14:56 PM
 :dayum
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on April 24, 2020, 08:29:33 PM
Hey fresh artists gotta start somewhere.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: StealthFan on April 24, 2020, 08:53:40 PM
I love how Loomis aged from Doctor Strange to a pedophile in just five years.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: StealthFan on April 24, 2020, 09:02:27 PM
 :holeup
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Purple Filth on April 28, 2020, 08:49:17 PM
Halloween: One Good Scare (2003)


This was a tie in for the 25th anniversary stuff, set in the H20 timeline, about Dr. Loomis' son who also becomes a psychologist at Smith's Grove, where he becomes obsessed with new patient Lindsey Wallace, who swears Michael is still out there and coming for her. Loomis Jr. succumbs to the obsession that drove his father nuts, and then Michael indeed does show up to kill Lindsey as Loomis Jr. is too scared to help her. Michael then leaves a broken picture of the Loomis' to let him know he knows who this guy is and left him alone on purpose so he'd live in fear of what was coming for him.


And then it never got a follow up due to rights issues. It was planned for 7 or 8 issues and would have followed Loomis 2 living in fear or some shit. The art is disgusting

(https://i.imgur.com/rDgnylE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/tYb4t1w.jpg)


 :yuck :yuck :yuck :yuck


Oh there was another Halloween one I read yesterday, about a photographer who like....finds purity in death pictures or some bullshit and basically stalks old man Loomis in 1993 (it's set in the H20 timeline but Loomis looks exactly like he does in 5/6) until Michael pops up and plucks the guy's eyes out and puts film reels in the sockets. It was also supposed to be a 7-8 issue series and also stopped at one.

I started another one from 2008 and it was also trash so I think my mental affair with these tie in comics are done for now.

(https://media.giphy.com/media/ReDLLlU9fDqmI/giphy.gif)

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on April 29, 2020, 02:55:21 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/walking-dead-image-comicsskybound-entertainment-books

another pretty fucking solid humble comics bundle
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 05, 2020, 11:17:01 PM
CURRENT STATUS: POLITICALLY INCORRECT

(https://i.imgur.com/wxvJtrT.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 05, 2020, 02:58:11 PM
Diamond going bust and other distributors being allowed into the game would probably be the best thing that ever happened to physical comic book stores tbh.
Its crazy their monopoly is allowed under 'well technically not a monopoly because other books exist' rulings.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-cuts-ties-diamond-comic-distribution-1297309

 :gladbron :rejoice
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2020, 02:58:57 PM
:ohhh :gladbron
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 05, 2020, 05:32:37 PM
Good shit, hope others follow suit, although Marvel tried doing things by themselves and it only served to piss off comic shop owners, IIRC.

My dad had a comic shop for a few years in the 90s.  I very much remember that Capital City Distribution >>>>>>>>>>> Diamond.  Diamond ended up swallowing up Capital and the monopoly began.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 05, 2020, 05:43:03 PM
Man, this so 90s:


(https://static3.cbrimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/batman-poison-ivy-knightfall-display.jpg)

Those ears  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2020, 06:58:54 PM
That has to be a shopped panel. Benji plz confirm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 06, 2020, 02:30:39 AM
That has to be a shopped panel. Benji plz confirm

(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/51c3N2Fwq4L._AC_SY400_.jpg)
 :hitler
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 06, 2020, 02:55:03 PM
I'm kind of torn on Kelley Jones art, because its so stylised it either clashes with the story, or really adds to it.

Batman standing normally in a well lit room with huge ears looks silly, but batman crouched on a gargoyle with his talon fingers, apparently 40 foot long cloak merging with the shadows and devil horn like ears is pretty metal
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 09, 2020, 07:35:34 PM
https://www.gamesradar.com/brian-michael-bendis-wrapping-up-his-superman-run/

God might exist 🙏🏻
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 15, 2020, 03:24:01 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/PgcjQdn.png)

why tom king why
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 15, 2020, 07:58:00 AM
https://www.gamesradar.com/brian-michael-bendis-wrapping-up-his-superman-run/

God might exist 🙏🏻


Quote
When asked about the comments by a Twitter user in reference to Newsarama's June 9 article (see below), the DC-exclusive writer told the comics retailer Jetpack Comics on June 10 "It’s sooooo far away. Kind of a non headline. Don’t even worry about it today."

:rage
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 16, 2020, 09:39:27 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/Hv6cATt.png)

...he takes the front door!

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/9Zrjy9G.png)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 18, 2020, 12:05:07 AM
lol at four pages of info dump in Death Metal #1 but not realizing that if nobody read Justice League and Hell Arisen they won't know what the fuck anybody is actually talking about

edit: Might as well explain it. I'll assume METAL is more or less the last thing anyone read.

When they won in METAL they wound up breaking The Source Wall, which has been at the edge of reality in the DC Universe for a loooooonnnnnggg time. Well, it now turns out that the Source Wall wasn't just keeping people out, it was keeping things in. Namely, it was a prison for Perpetua, who is the mom of the Monitor, Anti-Monitor and Worldforger. She's also gone crazy sometime a few millennia back.

Luthor helped her get out and she started destroying universes with him, blah blah blah, The Batman Who Laughs himself was imprisoned by Luthor except he escapes, he infects some heroes and beats Luthor by pointing out that he's as crazy as Perpetua so they'd be better allies. So she kicked Luthor aside and took up The Batman Who Laughs' offer.

Things jump ahead for Death Metal, The Batman Who Laughs has rewritten Earth to his design as Perpetua is destroying the rest of the multiverse. That's where the story starts, he's basically all but won and these are the last days of the multiverse. All the info dump pages are just explaining the why that happened in Justice League that itself poorly explained and talked about all this nonsense with JUSTICE, DOOM, ANTI-CRISIS, etc.

Also funny, is how Death Metal mentions Doomsday Clock for like two sentences and I was like, yep, that's really all you needed from that I guess. Thanks Geoff for agonizing over that for so long.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on June 19, 2020, 12:22:21 AM
https://twitter.com/warrenellis/status/1273785757338083328

Welp, this apology is abysmal.
 
You can tell when his lawyer started to scream to him to rewrite it.

Dammit Ellis.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 19, 2020, 06:29:46 PM
I mean... unless I've missed something bigger or worse, the "metoo" about him is "Married man flirted with me via private chat, and helped promote me when I was starting" which pretty much doesn't warrant more than a "I'm sorry if you think I did something wrong" apology
:idont

There's a pretty big difference imo between "This guy literally controls who gets work, and I feel if I don't 'play nice' it will affect my career" a la weinstein (or in the comics world it would be a Didio or Cebulski macking on fresh employees) and "This guy is super famous, so if I play up to him he might get me exposure" like, I dunno, a young actress dating a Brad Pitt or a Leo DeCaprio to get her face and name in the papers and being seen at events and stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on June 20, 2020, 03:18:22 AM
Eh... I’m pretty sure they also can blacklist people or shit talk people with others.

In whatever case, the problem is that Ellis made this group specially to help them get exposure (while acting like a creep with them).

The apology is terrible, also, because how insincere and out character it sounds coming from him. May as well not givie any of the best can muster is a typical “sorry but not sorry” stuff that every famous creep can do.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 20, 2020, 08:32:24 AM
I don't know what kind of response you should give to someone you used to be close with and don't think you did any wrong by, but they obviously do and are airing their grievances in public demanding a statement :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on June 20, 2020, 06:16:25 PM
I don't know what kind of response you should give to someone you used to be close with and don't think you did any wrong by, but they obviously do and are airing their grievances in public demanding a statement :idont

if he really believe that he did nothing wrong he shouldn’t have write an apology because it sounds fake as hell coming from him, since he always been one with strong opinions. Or write a genuine apology if he knows he fucked up and actually wants to mend. Or, just lawyer up and don’t say shit in both cases. 

He is not dumb. He chose the lawyer and PR friendly option while lawyering up, the kind of stuff he usually calls BS.

Whatever he did something wrong or just being just labeled a predator, I honestly expected more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2020, 03:32:03 AM
Been reading some old Wildstorm series, namely: StormWatch and WildC.A.T.S.

First of all, the art hasn't been bad enough for me to post any here, shockingly. Though there was a pretty crazy panel in one StormWatch issue that was an entire page and the dude's thighs were about 50% of the panel. Another third of the panel were pouches or guns. The only other thing I've noted art wise is that Brandon Choi likes his explosions to go THAK-THOOM.

Second, StormWatch is a great idea actually (an authorized superhero team to take down superpowered villains not vigilantes), Justice League itself has tried it multiple times. Actually each of the spin-offs of StormWatch are great ideas: Team Achilles (a non-superpowered tactical squad to take down superpowers with lethal force), PHD (a police force for superhero crimes like Top Ten but not in a Top Ten world where everyone is powered, but a DCish one, but not as "dark" as Powers), The Authority (obv) and The Monarchy (hand-waved away later by someone saying their drink was spiked by The Doctor, ala Community's "gas leak" season) and even StormWatch in the New 52 was close to a good idea. It's been a Justice League idea back in the 1980s when they operated under the purview of the UN so they could enter member states at will, and similarly in JLA of the New 52 where this idea was tried again and to have a Justice League that could stop THE Justice League, etc. I feel like there's a way to synthesize these ideas and create a book that works in the DC Universe.

WildCATS I'm comparatively not as far into, just the first series so far, I read Alan Moore's series of this a long time ago and enjoyed it enough, but it in context is pretty funny. He comes in, takes a look at the PREMISE of the series and says "fuck that, it's over, the whole war, the whole point of the team, ended centuries ago just nobody told Earth" and introduces all this new stuff, and then he leaves the book and the next set of writers are like "well, we kinda wanted to work with that premise so... uh.. um... some characters need to take some time adjusting to this and others are just quitting" now I haven't finished the series yet so maybe it goes this direction, but some of the stuff Moore sets into the premise and hell the premise itself, could make this a book where the main characters are superhero racists, like if Superman was a Kryptonian supremacist or if he hated Daxamites for some reason, but they're still played as the hero, which could go some interesting places imo, yes, I am proposing a DC Comic in which the heroes are racists, like Miles O'Brien and Kira are towards Cardies

Wildstorm crossovers were lol in the 1990s, especially because the books writers/artists/etc. are all over the place so like 80% of it is useless crap and whoever started it also has to resolve everything while ignoring everything everyone else added into it. World's End, the last Wildstorm crossover is actually pretty great, even the Number of the Beast miniseries is pretty "wow" and they actually do it! They blow up the world pretty much lol Before that the miniseries with Captain Atom (from DC) showing up and screwing up everything is pretty good too.

Anyway, when New 52 came around they tried to hook some of this stuff into the DC Universe, namely the Daemonites, Lord Helspont, Grifter, etc. all showed up in Superman and stuff then just totally disappeared. And part of me, does not disagree with some of it, the characters and the specifics are totally not there, they're often very limited or one note, but some of the ideas could work easily in the DC Universe, especially now that they've well, okay, before they let Bendis kill off all the huge number of agencies in his stupid Event Leviathan thing, once he's done with that they can bring them back and could use some of these to flesh out the HUMAN part of the DC Universe, something that only really a book like Suicide Squad actively deals with regularly (with your rare Gotham set series like Gotham Central since Gotham is the one place humans can still not be pathetic weaklings to the point that they moved Maggie Sawyer there to get her away from doing Superman's paperwork) but a StormWatch revival where only part of the team are superheroes. Actually, this could be a good premise for JSA's return, it could be the old team teaching their legacy heroes like in JSA but it could also have the human parts as part of the team and as sort of a check on the Justice League who have been getting up to some pretty nutty things imo since really Rebirth

I maybe just want more of a sprawling book than Justice League has been for a while, it seems so weird when they confine it to just a few members who both do and don't have their own (multiple!) books and are and are not implied to be in action 24/7/365 (maybe even off Earth for most of that time), especially with half the team being unnecessary except when the plot writes them to be. When there were three Justice League books in the 90's before Grant Morrison revived JLA, they sucked but there was a sense that you had these three teams handling all kinds of things and working when others weren't and then if there was really bad stuff then Superman and co. would get called in. I liked that premise even if the execution was bad. Plus in general I'd just like to revive Blue and Gold and Fire and Ice and so on. I liked Justice League 3000 for its hard swerve into essentially reviving much of that team and also doing the training younger heroes aspect of JSA. Maybe I just want JSA back. As much love as Morrison got for JLA, JSA and its subsequent series were waaaaaay better than JLA and its. There was an actual premise and actual longer plots could be done with the roster not turning over constantly.

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 21, 2020, 03:19:54 PM
Yeah, I really liked Wildstorm as an imprint; it doesn't really gel nicely with the DCU main, because as they explored with some of their character swaps sending Captain Atom to the WS and Majestic to the DCU, despite having similar power levels and abundance of capes in both universes, the WS treats them all as basically walking WMDs and are fucking terrified, whereas the DCU has that reverence for them (also touched on the Marvel / DC crossover where Captain America assumes the DC heroes are abusing their power somehow because they have all this hero worship that marvel heroes don't).

It is also fucking crazy that one of the major defining incidents in the Stormwatch timeline happens in a licenced tie-in with Aliens :rofl

WildC.A.T.S. is pretty 'eh' overall, even with Moore hard resetting it, but Wildcats v3.0 is pretty interesting in a trying to uplift humanity through technology premise and treating a superteam as a corporation.
TAO ended up being the only bit of Moores reboot that really stuck, and it led to great stuff like Brubakers Sleeper.

I left reading WS when they destroyed the world and went full sci-fi, but I don't know how much of that was creator driven and how much was editorial mandate that they had to make it even clearer that WS isn't the DCU - I suspect editorial mandate, just because you had stuff like PHD doing its own merry thing, then BLAM, tiemskip, worlds ended, get on a space ship and fuck off  :-\

The Ellis reboot I posted in here about was pretty good, but again, I don't really see how it can be reconciled with the DCU main as so much of the world building depends on it being its own thing.
Speaking of Ellis...


if he really believe that he did nothing wrong he shouldn’t have write an apology because it sounds fake as hell coming from him, since he always been one with strong opinions. Or write a genuine apology if he knows he fucked up and actually wants to mend. Or, just lawyer up and don’t say shit in both cases. 

He is not dumb. He chose the lawyer and PR friendly option while lawyering up, the kind of stuff he usually calls BS.

Whatever he did something wrong or just being just labeled a predator, I honestly expected more.

I think Ellis is intenet-savvy enough to know that any kind of response to this kind of allegation is a "And when did you stop beating your wife?" scenario, but I guess has some outside pressures from people like Netflix that he had to say something
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 21, 2020, 11:00:59 PM
I got through the second volume of Wildcats (no more abbreviation) and into the start of 3.0, both by Joe Casey, and really like the crazy direction it takes on all fronts.

Yes, I do like the aspect in Wildstorm where the heroes think they're heroes but the rest of the world is not necessarily on board with that. DC toys with this (and Marvel obviously too to a greater extent) every so often but ultimately never wants to leave it ambiguous to whether or not their heroes are heroes, which is fine too, but I think series (like Gotham Central) that question it can still work within that framework.

Also, in the Wildstorm Universe, the main US agency that watches superheroes is the National Park Service which has a major clandestine branch. (True, I suspect.)

While I probably wouldn't recommend it as much as just Wildcats 2/3.0, I'm glad I read the "dumb" first iterations of WildC.A.T.S. before the good/smart Wildcats just to have a better grasp of how it writes off all the old characters to shift to the Halo Corporation stories.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 22, 2020, 03:25:08 AM
Oh, I forgot, the writer of Stormwatch Team Achilles got himself cancelled for a... unique... reason. Micah Ian Wright (also writer of a whole bunch of video games and on The Angry Beavers) claimed he was a former Army Ranger who served in the invasion of Panama when he would have been 15 years old. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Shuri on June 22, 2020, 09:39:54 AM
Finished the Invincible omnibus vol 1. I enjoyed it, but I won't be checking out Vol 2. It was getting a bit stale and the SuDdEn TwiSts were getting a bit lame.

It's not a bad read, but like I said, It was just getting stale.

Now, I'm starting the big Wolverine omnibus that was released last week, it starts with the Weapon X run, then all the big important first appearances, then a bunch of key Uncanny X-men and Wolverine issues. After that, I'll be returning to Berserk, there's a new hardcover omnibus coming out next month, and I'm still lagging behind.

 :goty2 Speaking of stale content, I still gotta finish The Walking Dead..

My plan for the summer was to read my entire collection of Uncanny X-men, I got the full run in floppies from Issue ~110 to the end. I don't think I'm gonna be able to do it. Also, dealing with old floppies is annoying, it's more convenient to read big omnibus collections for me, but god fucking damn, prices went up.

In another news, I cancelled all my subs for the first time in decades. I realized I have too much to catch up, and the last modern series to really catch my attention was.. Fuck, I don't even know.



Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 22, 2020, 11:31:37 AM
Oh, I forgot, the writer of Stormwatch Team Achilles got himself cancelled for a... unique... reason. Micah Ian Wright (also writer of a whole bunch of video games and on The Angry Beavers) claimed he was a former Army Ranger who served in the invasion of Panama when he would have been 15 years old. :lol

yeah, it was something super fucking dumb like getting in twitter arguments about bush and the iraq war and lying about military service to try and add weight to their opinions
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2020, 12:00:49 AM
Invincible is like almost nothing but HUGE TWISTS one after another, it has one of the few BIG REVEALS in anything that actually makes me upset to think about really because Kirkman had to keep pushing them since they're the only hook he would build anything around, TWD is mostly better about this despite its own set of problems. Both of them start to lose their punch after a while.

Speaking of, the Wildcats that comes After The End of the World (Version 5, version 4 being a single issue written by Grant Morrison) was like that. Especially when it changes authors midstream and the second author completely ignores everything of the prior 18 issues, then has to kill all his own plots because the New 52 happened. Also, eventually the Wildstorm books had interchanged so many characters the titles are nonsense, like half the Authority is in Wildcats, half of Stormwatch eventually are in The Authority when the Carrier leaves the planet, some characters randomly died or had other major events off panel because people forgot about them, etc. Wildcats just becomes the Earth-based book left, The Authority runs into space, Stormwatch blows up their base so all the characters have to go to another book or disappear, etc.

I have no idea if I will even attempt to read the other Wildstorm things like Gen13, etc. I'm kinda leaning towards getting back into some Wonder Woman, especially with the movie with my man Maxwell Lord constantly getting delayed. I've only really ever read the embassy days and the New 52 series, so I can go all sorts of directions on that before even coming back to the Rebirth series. Morrison's Earth One series is kinda stupid though, I have read that in recent times.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 24, 2020, 12:25:15 AM
I enjoyed Invincible all the way through.  Had a pretty satisfying ending, even if it was shown that there were more story ideas Kirkman wanted to do that we'll never get.

Re: Wildstorm- Crazy how much Wildcats changed so much over the years.  I still have a soft spot for the original X-Men rip-off version that Jim Lee did, but I also liked how different it got for the most part.

Gen 13 is very much a product of its time and the mini-series/original run are going to feel extremely dated.  J. Scott Campbell wanted to draw grunge-era ass n' titties, got bored and left to go do Danger Girl (and draw more tiddy, get bored, and leave again), and it's kind of 'meh' for the most part from what I remember of it.  One bright spot, though- Adam Warren.  I love this guy's stuff and he came up with some fun and wacky stories.  IIRC he wrote and drew two mini-series, then wrote the main series for a while until its first cancellation.  His take on the characters is also very "Adam Warren," I.E. these characters are more manga-like and akin to his earlier Dirty Pair and later Empowered comics than your typical Image superheroes of the era.

Warren's run was pretty well-reviewed, but book sales went to shit, and they did this-
Quote
Despite outrageous story arcs and many artist collaborations, the popularity of the book dwindled to the point where Wildstorm decided to blow up the entire team with a 6-megaton bomb (Gen¹³ vol. 2, #76, June 2002). This served as the catalyst to revamp the series with a new first issue written by Chris Claremont with pencils by Ale Garza. This title featured an all new team mentored by Caitlin Fairchild, and spawned a spin-off series titled 21 Down. However, this title was cancelled after barely a year. The final issue of the series revealed that the original team was, in fact, still alive, and that the new series had taken place in an alternate dimension which had in some fashion crossed over with the known continuity.

Did not read anything after this and all the shit they did after DC bought the studio didn't really interest me, apart from Stormwatch and The Authority characters in the main DC continuity.  It seems like most of the characters they brought into the New 52 fizzled out pretty quickly and were forgotten about?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2020, 12:38:02 AM
Caitlin Fairchild was briefly a thing in the New 52 (she created the new Superboy, created a second Teen Titans team, etc.), but the only one that had any lifespan really was Midnighter. I guess The Engineer and Grifter got a weekly maxiseries (Futures End) to be a key part of after they got mostly dumped from the New 52. But I think Midnighter was the only one still running around by the end of the New 52.

Everybody else were completely available for Ellis to reuse by the time The Wild Storm came about.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bluemax on June 24, 2020, 01:58:24 AM
Invincible is like almost nothing but HUGE TWISTS one after another, it has one of the few BIG REVEALS in anything that actually makes me upset to think about really because Kirkman had to keep pushing them since they're the only hook he would build anything around, TWD is mostly better about this despite its own set of problems. Both of them start to lose their punch after a while.

Speaking of, the Wildcats that comes After The End of the World (Version 5, version 4 being a single issue written by Grant Morrison) was like that. Especially when it changes authors midstream and the second author completely ignores everything of the prior 18 issues, then has to kill all his own plots because the New 52 happened. Also, eventually the Wildstorm books had interchanged so many characters the titles are nonsense, like half the Authority is in Wildcats, half of Stormwatch eventually are in The Authority when the Carrier leaves the planet, some characters randomly died or had other major events off panel because people forgot about them, etc. Wildcats just becomes the Earth-based book left, The Authority runs into space, Stormwatch blows up their base so all the characters have to go to another book or disappear, etc.

I have no idea if I will even attempt to read the other Wildstorm things like Gen13, etc. I'm kinda leaning towards getting back into some Wonder Woman, especially with the movie with my man Maxwell Lord constantly getting delayed. I've only really ever read the embassy days and the New 52 series, so I can go all sorts of directions on that before even coming back to the Rebirth series. Morrison's Earth One series is kinda stupid though, I have read that in recent times.

I forget where I bailed out on Invincible but yeah, it always felt like BIG TWIST/BIG REVEAL/UP THE ANTE had to happen every X number of issues and that just like the walking dead it would go on and be miserable for as long as it sold.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 24, 2020, 07:17:54 AM
Caitlin Fairchild was briefly a thing in the New 52 (she created the new Superboy, created a second Teen Titans team, etc.), but the only one that had any lifespan really was Midnighter. I guess The Engineer and Grifter got a weekly maxiseries (Futures End) to be a key part of after they got mostly dumped from the New 52. But I think Midnighter was the only one still running around by the end of the New 52.

I remember Helspont was briefly a Superman villain, too- I read all these comics, and yet I completely forgot about all of this.  Maybe it's better that way.  :lol

Everybody else were completely available for Ellis to reuse by the time The Wild Storm came about.

Which ended with "WildCATS coming soon!" and then the book never got released.
:neogaf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 24, 2020, 09:16:33 AM
I have no idea if I will even attempt to read the other Wildstorm things like Gen13, etc.

Read Sleeper at least, which is legit good and doubly so if you like the alternative viewpoint type stuff of Team Achilles / PHD / GCPD / Top Ten / Suicide Squad / Checkmate etc

Which ended with "WildCATS coming soon!" and then the book never got released.
:neogaf

Its supposedly a 6 issue mini coming in August, but fuck, its why I waited until The WildStorm was complete before bothering starting reading it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2020, 12:57:34 PM
I read Sleeper some time before, back when I read The Authority I think. Stuff like TAO, everything crossing over during the World's End, the Halo Corporation, etc. was the reason I wanted to eventually read Wildcats.

I remember Helspont was briefly a Superman villain, too-
He was going to be the first BIG BAD of the New 52 initially which is why he and the Daemonites showed up in Superman and even got an annual devoted to them. They had almost entirely fallen out of favor by Forever Evil.

Futures End was apparently the dumping ground for a lot of ideas and plots that were related to writer changes. Earth 2 stuff was somewhat similar after James Robinson quit. ("Nah, we don't want that anymore, how about you take it to Earth 2 or the false Future?" "Okay... :fbm")
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 25, 2020, 01:34:16 PM
I miss Earth 2.  :'(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 25, 2020, 01:36:12 PM
nu52 was so bad it made me bounce off comics completely for however many years its been since Nu52
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 25, 2020, 02:18:53 PM
nu52 was so bad it made me bounce off comics completely for however many years its been since Nu52

I actually kinda liked a lot of it.   :lol 

But I guess I was part of the target audience for it- I never really read a lot of DC stuff before it and this got me reading more books than I would have before...for a time, anyway.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 25, 2020, 02:26:12 PM
The New 52 was an overreaction in theory and a mess in execution. All they needed was a minor correction to the timeline to line the books back up better like they had done with Zero Hour. That's perhaps ironically what Rebirth has essentially done to much greater approval.

They didn't wind up even rebooting any of the main characters anyway. Sure, at the very start there was some stuff, but ultimately none of it stuck for the length of the New 52 except Superman's far younger age. Some of the changes like Wonder Woman and Aquaman's tweaked origins had been in prior versions anyway or were strongly suggested.

The DCYou period almost had a bigger rewrite of the status quo for more characters than the original New 52 did.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 25, 2020, 03:09:57 PM
I liked the stuff they did that differed from previous books, like Earth 2 and World's Finest, Superboy (at least initially- dumb evil replacement sucked), Supergirl (no pantsu~), Red Lanterns, the older, "secret" pre New 52 Superman with an older Lois and their son, Jon (really liked him and the whole thing with him being virtually unknown by the rest of the DCU a whole lot), etc.  I think was Keith Giffen who wrote a Justice League 3000 book?  That was some crazy, fun shit.  I got into some other books I never really read before, like The Flash and Green Arrow, plus All-Star Western with Jonah Hex, although that was mainly because I like Jimmy Palmiotti as a writer.  And then I love the stuff he does with his wife Amanda Conner, so their takes on Harley Quinn and Starfire were fun reads. Once they left Harley Quinn, I stopped reading.

And I even liked them messing around with the characters and changing up Superman (power loss and identity reveal) and Batman getting replace by Jim Gordon, but only because I knew it would be a temporary thing.  It's funny; Bat-Gordon really started coming into his own and getting good right when they ended it and brought Bruce Wayne back.

The worst thing to me was Lobo- that redesign was just so bad in every way.  All the personality...gone.  :yuck

I just sort of stopped reading most things DC a few years ago.  Don't know if I'm going to go back or not.  Some stuff I was massively behind on, like Batman.  I know I've missed some good stories so maybe one day.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 25, 2020, 05:44:27 PM
I'm not a slave to continuity, but Nu52 cancelled a bunch of books and storylines that I was reading that were pretty good and replaced them with a bunch... that weren't.
Hickmans Secret Wars did much the same thing on the Marvel side.

If Nu52 had really come out swinging, I'd have nothing against it; bear in mind when they did their first reboot with Crisis, the follow up books launched were Byrnes Superman, which was when people gave a shit about Byrne and was also a pretty solid reconcepting, Millers Batman Year 1 which effectively cemented the tone for the bat books, Perez Wonder Woman, Waids Flash, Giffens Justice League and Ostranders Suicide Squad.
Like... holy fuck, thats a solid launch lineup to build your universe off.

New 52 had a Gmoz Superman and - despite my personal distaste for Johns as a writer - a Johns Green Lantern, Aquaman and Justice League.
Then a pile of crap which went from unreadable (that fucking wonder woman reboot), to just rehashing shit you've already read (Blue Beetle) to just no1curr like Firestorm, Hawk and Dove, Titans, Captain Atom, Green Arrow, Hawkman, etc etc etc.

Like, why even commission those books if you know - and they must have fucking known - how crappy they were as your big relaunch titles?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 01, 2020, 02:38:28 PM
Black Science is the only one I've read of those, and it's okay? I didn't like it as much as FEAR Agent :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 01, 2020, 02:59:57 PM
From that group, I've read Invincible, Stray Bullets, Outcast, Oblivion Song, Kill or Be Killed, Criminal, Monstress and all are pretty decent or better except Monstress which is freakin awesome.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Great Rumbler on July 03, 2020, 12:36:36 PM
We Stand on Guard, Plutona, and Snotgirl are also pretty good.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 14, 2020, 10:04:43 PM
from death metal #2:

(https://i.imgur.com/LsqX16Y.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 16, 2020, 12:06:37 PM
Savage Dragon #250 came out yesterday.  Haven't talked about Erik Larsen's fetish superhero book in a while. 

MAJOR plotpoints:

(https://i.imgur.com/xWeG0GK.jpg)

Dragon's step (half?) brother married his wife's mother and they made a sex tape.

(https://i.imgur.com/zu7QLpZ.jpg)

Nipples are Erik's new fetish.  Nearly every female character has them poking through.  Here we see Malcolm talking to his step-sister, who previously was involved in a multi-issue fuckfest with him and his wife.  One of the Dragon kids is actually hers.

(https://i.imgur.com/ToP44W9.jpg)

Malcolm's wife is back to looking to fuck all the time.  Erik also has started drawing her with erect nipples and visible 'gina.

(https://i.imgur.com/vMfZzJ8.jpg)

Another recent addition/return to the cast are these characters.  The two spider-girls shoot webs from their naughty bits.

(https://i.imgur.com/zOAGWGF.jpg)

After Malcolm and his kids beat the shit out of (and kill several) baddies who invade their home, it's more FUCK TIME.

(https://i.imgur.com/OjDy6p8.jpg)

BUT WAIT

(https://i.imgur.com/FJ3G9ui.jpg)

O.G. Dragon is back

WILL HE ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING OR JUST JOIN IN WITH THE FUCKING?  FIND OUT IN ANY NUMBER OF MONTHS!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 16, 2020, 12:47:30 PM
    HOT
DOG!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 16, 2020, 12:49:22 PM
Quote
The two spider-girls shoot webs from their naughty bits.

:mindblown :exxy
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 16, 2020, 12:55:09 PM
"Greta, watch the kids while I take Pumpkin-Seed into the other room and utterly destroy her."
"Very good, Mr. Dragon."


Literary MASTERPIECE
:snob
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: VomKriege on July 16, 2020, 06:12:27 PM
"Greta, watch the kids while I take Pumpkin-Seed into the other room and utterly destroy her."

https://youtu.be/iLBBRuVDOo4
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 22, 2020, 02:15:18 PM
Another Humble bundle;
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/incal-and-more-humanoids-books

A lot of stuff I've never heard of, of stuff listed the only things I've read are I Am Legion which I didn't like much, and Metabarons, which is weird as fuck but I did enjoy.

e: looks like the top tier is heavy on the porn comics, if that's your thing

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 23, 2020, 01:52:48 AM
truf from Monstress:
(https://i.imgur.com/PcS7G18.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-comics-dc-universe-hit-by-major-layoffs-1306743
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Monday's WarnerMedia layoffs have affected a significant number of high-level figures at comic book powerhouse DC, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

Among those said to be losing their positions are editor-in-chief Bob Harris, senior VP of publishing strategy and support services Hank Kanalz, VP of marketing and creative services Jonah Weiland, VP global publishing initiatives and digital strategy Bobbie Chase, senior story editor Brian Cunningham, and executive editor Mark Doyle, who oversaw the rollout of the Black Label graphic novels.

Roughly one third of DC's editorial ranks are being laid off, according to sources.

Insiders also say the majority of the staff of the streaming service DC Universe has been laid off, a move that had been widely expected as WarnerMedia shifts its focus to new streaming service HBO Max.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on August 11, 2020, 01:49:55 AM
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dc-comics-dc-universe-hit-by-major-layoffs-1306743
Quote
Monday's WarnerMedia layoffs have affected a significant number of high-level figures at comic book powerhouse DC, multiple sources tell The Hollywood Reporter.

Among those said to be losing their positions are editor-in-chief Bob Harris, senior VP of publishing strategy and support services Hank Kanalz, VP of marketing and creative services Jonah Weiland, VP global publishing initiatives and digital strategy Bobbie Chase, senior story editor Brian Cunningham, and executive editor Mark Doyle, who oversaw the rollout of the Black Label graphic novels.

Roughly one third of DC's editorial ranks are being laid off, according to sources.

Insiders also say the majority of the staff of the streaming service DC Universe has been laid off, a move that had been widely expected as WarnerMedia shifts its focus to new streaming service HBO Max.

Isn't it Harras, the former Marvel guy?

Also worked with one of the folks who took it in the neck. Will refrain from commenting further and certainly won't bother with Schadenfreude.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 11, 2020, 07:27:35 AM
That's pretty shitty all-around.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 11, 2020, 03:27:08 PM
https://io9.gizmodo.com/massive-warner-layoffs-gut-dc-comics-dc-universe-1844684639/amp

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Comicbook.com reports that AT&T, for reasons inexplicably unknown, is looking to bring in a general manager “from the world of esports” to replace this lost editorial talent, indicating a grim prospect for the publisher, even as it continues to mine its decades of work for new film and TV properties.

:mindblown
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 11, 2020, 04:51:55 PM
lol

(https://i.imgur.com/iNqySjn.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on August 11, 2020, 09:12:54 PM
 :fbm
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 12, 2020, 06:54:41 AM
DCs digital strategy is some baffling shit that has all the appearances of being designed by a committee who are embarrassed at being associated with funny books, so the biggest shock in getting rid of the person overseeing that is that its taken this long.

Particularly given they have "global" as part of their job description and came up with a US only product.
:kermit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 19, 2020, 04:25:42 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/judge-dredd-2000-ad-more-books

Oh hey, another Humble Comics Bundle.

I only recognise the old 2000AD stuff, but there's some solid-ass classics in there.

Zenith Phase III is basically the ur-story Grant Morrison has been regularly rewriting for DC since he was hired, of alternate universe take super heroes versus multidimensional cosmic lovecraftian horror
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tripon on August 19, 2020, 04:27:19 PM
What's with DC comics being blown up like it is?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: kingv on August 19, 2020, 07:15:52 PM
I don’t really understand how dc manages to fuck this stuff up so consistently. I was actually considering subscribing to DC universe as I heard it’s got a decent selection now. But I don’t even know what fandome is
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 22, 2020, 11:11:45 PM
Savage Dragon 251:

O.G. DRAGON IS BACK?  NO!  YES!  SORT OF!  He's the original Dragon, Paul Dragon, Erik's first version of the character, who appeared in in the 80s in comics nobody read. 

(https://i.imgur.com/OkDZkA2.jpg)

The two Dragons go out and talk, but then Paul starts beating up Malcolm, then himself, because a mind-controlling villain popped up.  Malcolm kills him pretty quickly and the issue ends.

But that's not all- we got some FUCKING to do!  Paul hooks up with Alex and while what I said last month didn't happen-

BUT WAIT

(https://i.imgur.com/FJ3G9ui.jpg)

O.G. Dragon is back

WILL HE ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING OR JUST JOIN IN WITH THE FUCKING?  FIND OUT IN ANY NUMBER OF MONTHS!

-The subject still came up.  :lol

 :nsfw
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZCePDhG.jpg)
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Erik Maxine is beyond horny at this point.

(https://i.imgur.com/eEwiRz2.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 23, 2020, 02:42:33 AM
But I don’t even know what fandome is
Just a "virtual convention" because of COVID. Normally these trailers and announcements would have been shown at Comic-Con panels but can't really do that this year.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 02, 2020, 09:41:47 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/nm9b3M7.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 18, 2020, 08:45:06 PM
WB pulled the plug on DC Universe's shows.  Will just offer comics after 1/21.  Some of the shows will be shifted to HBO Max.

https://www.dcuniverse.com/news/dc-universe-transforms-dc-universe-infinite/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on September 18, 2020, 11:34:52 PM
DC Universe dosen't have Vertigo titles does it? I was interested in re-reading Y The Last Man, but on the ipad. Thought about using DC Universe because I've liked Marvel Unlimited. Probably will still subscribe to it, but wish it had more then the cape stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2020, 11:53:30 PM
No, there are no "imprints" on there (like the current Black Label or the now dead Vertigo or stuff like Milestone/Wildstorm), just the basic core DC Universe series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 19, 2020, 09:29:52 AM
I guess having an actual focus for it as a comics distribution platform rather than some kind of wooly multimedia... thing makes it more likely they'll add their imprint lines eventually?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 01, 2020, 03:51:41 AM
I feel like today was the day I decided to go digital with comics.

Other than simply wanting to save money, I've also become annoyed with missing issues.

Since covid, I haven't really visited comic book stores and somewhat fell off. I had pretty much dropped a lot of titles except X-men stuff. Which honestly I have not really enjoyed. Like I just do not like the current line. I really wanted Hickman to take over X-men, because I enjoyed his Avengers run and his creator owned stuff like East of West. I also enjoy superhero comics when they are weird and serious. But his X-men stuff just seems so out there and feels so meandering. I love Morrison's New X-men, that is my X-men. I don't know what this X-men is. Maybe I'm getting old. I really enjoyed House and Powers of X though. That was great. Since then it's just felt like it's going nowhere and there's just so many books.

I've also been re-reading New X-men through Marvel Universe and it's just been so awesome. I can read with the lights off and everything is so accessible. Much better than taking out my single issues or the Omnibus.

But I still want to keep up with X-men, so though I haven't gone out every week I went out recently to find the last issue of X-men(12) and I guess none of the local stores have it. I guess a new character was introduced. I don't know. I don't care.  At this point I'll just wait to these hit Unlimited.

Also what do people think about the Hickman X-men? I thought House of X and Powers were awesome.

Since then....Well I've just found it so boring and lifeless.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Rahxephon91 on October 01, 2020, 04:00:22 AM
Also has anyone here been keeping up with the X line? How have the other titles like Hellions, Cable, Wolverine, and so on been? I kind of just want to trim my pulls to very few titles if I would continue.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 01, 2020, 07:41:31 AM
Also has anyone here been keeping up with the X line? How have the other titles like Hellions, Cable, Wolverine, and so on been? I kind of just want to trim my pulls to very few titles if I would continue.

Am pretty behind on everything, but I agree that X stuff kind of fell off after House/Powers.  I liked Marauders a whole lot, but then they killed off Kitty (am sure she'll be back soon if they didn't already bring her back) and it killed the book for me.  Read the first few issues of Hellions and it seems interesting enough, but they just announced that the whole team is due to be killed off in an upcoming issue- I don't expect them to stay dead or even be killed at all, but this might mean another roster comes on board and I'm not sure if I like that.  Guess we'll see.  The most recent issue also had some possibly major happen, detailed here (spoilers!)

spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://www.cbr.com/x-men-hellions-resurrection-protocols-madelyne-clone/
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But it's also possible that this is going to ignored completely.  :doge

They're also starting up the first big X-crossover event with "X Of Swords" so maybe things will get interesting again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on October 13, 2020, 09:36:00 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/ja2k9r/danny_devito_should_play_wolverine_in_the_mcu_you/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 13, 2020, 11:30:17 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelstudios/comments/ja2k9r/danny_devito_should_play_wolverine_in_the_mcu_you/

He would make a great Rob Liefeld Wolverine rip-off Troll.

(https://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/Troll-Youngblood.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on October 15, 2020, 12:48:54 PM
DC is (temporarily) replacing its main heroes with new ones following Dark Knights: Metal:

(https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/FS-JL-Cv1-1.jpg)

Looks very "Marvel Now"
(https://i2.wp.com/www.comicsbeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Future-State-Promo-piece-final_R1-scaled.jpg)

Superman is Jon Kent
Wonder Woman is a new character, Yara Flor
Batman is unknown, but Bruce Wayne is dead, again

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 15, 2020, 12:54:03 PM
:confused

isn't that literally what "5G" was supposed to do, but everyone said it had been #cancelled when didio was ousted
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Yeti on October 20, 2020, 01:39:51 AM
No Terry McGinnis, no sale.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 23, 2020, 02:34:17 AM
The Joker's most heinous scheme!

(https://i.imgur.com/ZlFaiBF.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 01, 2020, 12:01:09 AM
Started getting back to superhero comics after largely not reading anything for months.  Decided to check out Venom because of all the Knull stuff.  The new series is much more enjoyable and better written than the previous one from 2018.

Knull is going to be the new big-bad of the Marvel universe so Venom might get more important.
His introduction in the Venom series was good.  Then Absolute Carnage happened and that was not good.  Kind of boring.

They also retconned the symbiote origins (again) and made it so they've been around for a long time.  Beowulf was a symbiote dragon.  Symbiote suits were used in the Vietnam war and went haywire.  So of course Nick Fury called in the one man who could stop them...Logan.  Gotta have Wolverine pop up in everything!

Am behind on everything else.  Might check out X-Men next.  I really enjoyed Powers and House of X, but the relaunch of everything kind of fell flat with me.  Read that the X-Men as a team are finally coming back- they were actually kind of dissolved with the whole Krakoa mutant nation thing, but a team of characters disobeyed orders and are now the outlaw "X-Men" again.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 01, 2020, 12:03:00 AM
And then in the latest Savage Dragon, Malcolm fell asleep and his wife drew pictures of leaky male and female genitalia on his head with a sharpie.

(https://i.imgur.com/cOrfB1s.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nHVpjXk.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on December 01, 2020, 06:17:05 AM
They also retconned the symbiote origins (again) and made it so they've been around for a long time.  Beowulf was a symbiote dragon.  Symbiote suits were used in the Vietnam war and went haywire.  So of course Nick Fury called in the one man who could stop them...Logan.  Gotta have Wolverine pop up in everything!

I havent read any venom since the flash thompson agent venom stuff which was pretty good and a novel take, but it sounds like this just takes a huge shit over that idea retroactively if its just some ongoing military project thats been kicking around forever (for the same reason making weapon x weapon 10 fucked up wolverine as a one off failed experiment)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 16, 2020, 07:26:38 PM
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Quote
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on December 17, 2020, 11:52:00 AM
Of those, I've only read Fear Agent, Chew, Happy! and I Kill Giants and they're all pretty good.

Based on borks posts :donot to Savage Dragon
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 20, 2020, 08:25:49 PM
Of those, I've only read Fear Agent, Chew, Happy! and I Kill Giants and they're all pretty good.

Based on borks posts :donot to Savage Dragon

Aw, I'm just pointing out the goofy shit that happens.   :lol  It's all good, clean fun. :awesome

Nothing to really post from the latest issue.  It opened with more nekkid, but was actually pretty serious and focused on the story this time.  Erik seems to be shifting the focus towards more dragons popping up now.

Savage Dragon #255:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Malcolm got shot all up last issue and is in a hospital bed this issue.  Barely in the book and his wife is told that if he heals back up, his brain may not and he may not remember his family.  This is kind of like what happened with the original Dragon's origin.  Reset coming?  Major bad guy Dart is also shot in the head and seemingly killed.  She had been taking care of another dragon baby who nobody else knew was born (back in one of the Dragon threesome or foursomes, he knocked up a character who got killed off when the baby burst from her stomach on a train).

Instead, the focus is on the O.G...O.G. Dragon who was recently re-introduced.  He wants to find out what happened to his dead wife, who was killed in Dimension-X.  So after fucking Alex ( :doge), they set off to go find her grave, which is empty.  The book ends with another baby dragon watching them.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 11, 2021, 12:57:53 PM
Humble Comic Bundle this month is even more indie than normal:
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/comics-bundle-moebius-more-presented-humanoids-books

Lots of French/French-American stuff especially in the top tier. The Incal series, etc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 15, 2021, 02:11:59 AM
Wandavision got me back to my Marvel reading where it's been taking me 3-4 years to get through post Civil War pre-Secret Invasion era marvel runs. Almost at Secret Invasion. Maybe I'll get past that this year.


Right now I'm in the middle of reading the comic event Annihilation Conquest which is like the first formation of Guardians of the Galaxy and yeaaaah, it's pretty rough. I heard Guardians comics were pretty much trash until the films came along. I wonder if post-films the comics are actually good and just copy the tone of the movies from that point forward.

But part of it is Nova and the Nova run is pretty solid so far. My favorite part of the start of the Nova run is when he comes back to earth after Civil War and his old New Warriors pal Speedball now BDSM Penance says hi and Nova is like "man, wtf Earth, I'm out" and then leaves the planet.

I read a Namor run right before this that was good about Atlantis being destroyed. Would make a good basis for a Namor 2nd movie if they ever get him started in the MCU.

Also I wasn't expecting much from Thor (2007), but the run that brings the post-Ragnorak (since Ragnorak happened in Avengers Disassembled and Thor's been out of the picture 2004-2007) return of Thor is pretty good so far. A lot of the movie quotes and more badass moments feel lifted from some of this. Like Thor vs Iron Man where he's like you want to see the difference between a GOD and a man in a metal suit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 15, 2021, 05:29:41 AM
Right now I'm in the middle of reading the comic event Annihilation Conquest which is like the first formation of Guardians of the Galaxy and yeaaaah, it's pretty rough. I heard Guardians comics were pretty much trash until the films came along. I wonder if post-films the comics are actually good and just copy the tone of the movies from that point forward.

Annihilation Conquest is the sequel to Annihilation, which is where they redeemed a lot of these - let's be honest - joke characters by pulling a dirty dozen on them.
I mean, Rocket Raccoon? Seriously? Does his friend Maxwell have a silver hammer?

DnA's GOTG was a pretty good run, which established the films team comp, but was very different in tone. By the time they get around to Bendis basically writing the MCU fanfic version as Space Avengers, its just not that good a book.

Secret Invasion is kind of lame, but it leads to Dark Avengers, which is way better than it has any right to be
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 15, 2021, 08:02:12 AM
Is Dark Avengers the equivalent of Justice League Dark, or something else?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 15, 2021, 08:15:27 AM
I'll spoiler it even though its just the gist:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
as a result of civil war and the government needing people to take down unregistered supes, Norman Osborne (the Green Goblin) takes over the Thunderbolts (which is like the Marvel Suicide Squad) in an amazing Ellis run and are straight up super villains loving the chance to beat the shit out of superheroes on the government payroll.

As a result of Secret Invasion, where all Starktech gets Skrull infiltrated, only Osborne tech is still working, and he kills the Queen Skrull live on TV.

So they give Norman Osborne control of S.H.I.E.L.D, which he renames H.A.M.M.E.R, and then he makes his own Avengers, with hookers and blackjack, who are all straight up super villains just dressed up as 'real' Avengers - Venom is Spidey, Bullseye is Hawkeye, Moonstone is Ms Marvel, Osborne wears his own knock off Iron Man armour with a stars and stripes paintjob and calls himself IRON PATRIOT  :usacry :usacry :usacry etc

And mostly gets away with it, cashing goverment paychecks, covering up all the super villain shit the team get up to so the public don't realise its different people in the costumes etc.

it is WAY FUCKING BETTER than it ever deserved to be :rofl
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 15, 2021, 08:31:25 AM
That sounds amazing :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 15, 2021, 08:54:36 AM
Secret Invasion is kind of lame, but it leads to Dark Avengers, which is way better than it has any right to be

The best parts of Secret Invasion are the related side stories taking place in other books, I.E. some of the Avengers titles were used to tell the backstories of what was going on with some of the Skrulls who replaced the various superheroes.  It was interesting to get that point of view.  And there was some crazy stuff like the "return" of the original Captain Marvel...sort of.

Dark Avengers is kind of similar in that there's some fun side stories going on.  When the Dark Avengers thing started, a "Dark Reign" branding was started and added to the top of various comics to show that they were related to this new Dark Avengers status quo.  This brought with it books based on the fake Avengers, like Dark Spider-Man (Venom- not Eddie Brock Venom, but Mac Gargan, The Scorpion, Venom), Moonstone taking over Ms. Marvel's series and actually trying to be a superhero, Dark Wolverine (Daken), etc.

This storyline ended with another big event, Siege, which I still have yet to read.  There was also second version of the Dark Avengers later on with a lesser-known group of villains taking the roles.  IIRC they became one of the Thunderbolts line-ups.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 15, 2021, 10:38:51 AM
'events' are usually an excuse to mix up the status quo in other titles, so yeah, you'll find some hits (and some total misses) going on elsewhere.

Civil war had the Ellis Thunderbolts run, which is goddamn great.

Dark Reign had the Punisher get decapitated and come back as a frankensteins monster  ::)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 17, 2021, 05:16:29 AM
from when Thor goes to Viet-nam:
(https://i.imgur.com/2zJ40W5.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2021, 02:37:09 AM
Finished Annihilation Comquest - It started off iffy because the phalanx virus thing was kinda lame, but it did enough world building with these different characters Nova, Gamora, Starlord, Drax, Guardians, Ronan, Phyl-Val, Adam, that by the end it was pretty badass cool comic stuff and had a solid final boss bit with Ultron. So in the end it was a good read.

I started Guardians of the Galaxy which comes right out of it and read issue 1 and thought it was...pretty good? It's not A+ comedy writing like some writers but it's like a solid B funny. It actually feels pretty close to the tone of the films to me (like first issue using The Office style cut interview cuts). Though Mantis in the comics is way better than in the films. Also makes me wish the movies used Quasar & Adam Warlock.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 27, 2021, 10:01:46 AM
They teased Adam Warlock in a post-credits scene at the end of the second GoTG movie, but nothing since.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 27, 2021, 10:04:07 AM
There's so much weird 70s LSD induced pseudo-religious space gods fuckery around adam warlock I'm not that surprised nobody really knows how to approach it.

...but then one of the upcoming actual being released movies is Eternals, sooooo.... :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 27, 2021, 10:16:24 AM
I know it's Marvel and they've had crazy success with all their movies, but I really wonder how well Eternals will do.  Just doesn't really scream "hot property" to me.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 27, 2021, 12:19:23 PM
I could probably name 100 marvel runs I think would make a better film before even remembering the Eternals even exist, so yeah.

I mean, I guess Ancient Aliens stuff still has some kind of appeal? Deviants as a backdoor intro to mutants? Setting up characters like Hercules as a Gilgamesh alt-account without having to bring in actual gods to the MCU? Neil Gaiman is ghost writing?

I have to assume theres some reason behind the scenes they chose them :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2021, 05:20:37 PM
Yeah, Eternals is the Marvel movie I'm the least interested in. In my 1998-2008 read of Marvel Comics outside a few Eternals characters here and there I can't think of a single Eternals focused storyline I've ever read and the characters generally are just ok.

But I'm also assuming that Marvel knows what they are doing and someone wrote them a real good script and they were like "wow, with this we can make Eternals work!" and started the project. There has to be something there.

I literally just looked up the imdb to see which Eternals characters are even in this, and...I've never heard of any of these characters. So this is gonna be a weird blank slate movie. The cast is pretty cool though. Lotta interesting actors/actresses.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2021, 05:24:05 PM
There's so much weird 70s LSD induced pseudo-religious space gods fuckery around adam warlock I'm not that surprised nobody really knows how to approach it.

...but then one of the upcoming actual being released movies is Eternals, sooooo.... :idont

My comic book knowledge comes and goes as I read trades, so I don't really remember Adam Warlock's older stuff including his role in Infinity War other than he's just super powerful. I think you can avoid all the religious Jesus stuff and just make him a super powered "perfectly engineered human who evolves in a cocoon" thing and be done with it.

In this DnA Guardians run, Warlock works pretty great with the team dynamic because him being this ultra-powered super serious no-humor person creates a great character for Quill to constantly play off of with quipps and just a "oh shit we're in over our head, do whatever the supergod guy says". So I think something like that would work really well in the film team. Would be nice if he joins early in 3.

That being said the film team so far is this rag-tag underpowered group and having a overpowered character like Warlock join would definitely make the scenes tougher to write since Warlock is one of those can beat any situation plot writing issues.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 27, 2021, 06:27:03 PM
the safe take for Eternals is basically just doing WildC.A.T.S, and have the kherubim Eternals crash land on Earth thousands of years ago and already be super powered, and be fighting daemonites deviants throughout the course of human history and being written into various mythologies before some shit happened that mind wiped them before endgame restored their memories somehow.

You get to have your big historical event scenes a la Wonder Womans no mans land fight, and then you get your modern scene with someone getting like, paintings of Samson, Gilgamesh, Hercules, St George killing the dragon etc and then contemporary sidekick going all "WOW THESE ARE ALL THE SAME PERSON... AND ITS YOU!".

But they're still kind of their own little bubble, and its not like the MCU does as much time travel shenanigans as DC does, so I'm not sure what it brings to the table in terms of fleshing stuff out, because I really don't think Disney are going to be pushing the 'human race were created and genetically engineered by aliens all along' angle.
I guess you can show Rama Tut in ancient egypt times before recycling him into Kang for ant man 3?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2021, 08:25:23 PM
I almost guarantee that Eternals exists because they were developing a team-based movie before they got the X-Men back and after Inhumans had already shit the bed on TV. And Feige seems to be a fan of Cosmic Marvel as his pet projects, why else would Guardians and Thor get so much love in the MCU before either proved it had the reach of anything else they were developing. They're probably hoping it turns into another surprise like Guardians and Captain Marvel. And it's easy enough to ignore if it doesn't.

Also seems like they're going to backdoor their way through all this Cosmic stuff into something like Galactus for the FF. A reverse of the comics.
They teased Adam Warlock in a post-credits scene at the end of the second GoTG movie, but nothing since.
James Gunn has said he's planned to be part of the third movie.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2021, 08:26:19 PM
Speaking of FF, I came across this website last week: https://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/

(https://zak-site.com/Great-American-Novel/images/menu/menu0.jpg)

Site has lots of quality content.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:doge :brain :doge
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 27, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
I know people are saying Eternals might be the way to bring in Mutants.

But I kinda feel like now that they have the X-men rights, every single MCU project is going to be speculation of "this might be where they bring in mutants" and then everyone let down when it doesn't happen. So I'm not expecting Eternals to lead to that.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 27, 2021, 09:06:24 PM
I think it's too early for the current "2021" films to have thought about the mutants back. They didn't even know they had them back until most of the upcoming films were already in production. Everything that got delayed because of COVID was shot like two years ago by now or the time it releases. If anything, they might be able to sneak in a reference in post-production or stick something in between the credits somewhere.

I agree that The X-Men are big enough that they don't have to "set it up" they can just be like "new X-Men movie, but from Marvel" and boom, a billion dollars is guaranteed. Ultimately people liked most of the Fox X-Men films and working them into the MCU canon won't be difficult. Same way they did Spider-Man. They have more than enough goodwill built up that they can probably even do this with something like Fantastic Four where people don't have good memories of it. I mentioned the backdoor more because of how FF's lineage is the start of Cosmic Marvel stuff they've already been mining for years. If they're trying to stick to the comics as much as they have then it's simple to get from Eternals to Celestials to Galactus to Fantastic Four in a single movie. Trying to prop up two properties with each other is very MCU. Look at Thor's last and upcoming film for example. If Eternals turns out as well as Guardians then it's gravy for how they've got yet another team to use before they have to even think about rebooting The Avengers or bring in the X-Men to rejuvenate things.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 28, 2021, 12:20:06 AM
Eh, I don't think anyone is expecting the X-men any time soon, but there's no reason why they can't adjust the scripts to work in mutants existing in the MCU. They got Spider-Man in Civil War real fast after acquiring the rights, and they don't even need an actor to work in the concept of mutants existing in the MCU.

I mean it still could happen next week in Wandavision, but if there's no mention of mutants in Wandavision and nothing about them in Eternals then yeah, mutants in MCU is probably still another 1-2 years off.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2021, 03:02:17 PM
Infinite Frontier spoilers:

(https://i.imgur.com/XovFgNe.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 02, 2021, 03:19:57 PM
Is that Boss Dark Side Human Thanos?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 02, 2021, 03:25:34 PM
Nah, just Alan Scott, they're merging his Earth 2 version with the old JSA version, but it's hilariously overdramatic and setup like he's going to drop a cosmic reveal about the DC Universe. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 02, 2021, 03:26:46 PM
Wtf :dead

Also any of you peeps read that some people with deep pockets want to buy DC comics publishing from AT&T 👀
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2021, 01:49:32 AM
I'm reading Ultimate Marvel for the first time (other than some of Ultimate X-Men and The Ultimates once some time back) and The Ultimates 3/Ultimatum is amazing. Jeph Loeb is a master storyteller. How did nobody stop this? You really have to see it, reading reviews doesn't quite grasp it. "DO YOU THINK THIS A STANDS FOR FRANCE?" is so seemingly small in comparison to The House of Ideas™ that Loeb sets up and drops into just ten issues. And then Bendis just writes around it like nothing happened and as if no key characters were killed.

Actually, the worst part is what is seemingly Bendis' insistence that the entire Ultimate Marvel storyline across all the books takes place during a single year with like a six month time skip for Ultimatum. The other books aren't as anal about this as Spider-Man although they're arguably worse offenders by going along with it and making you ask "this is all supposed to have happened in just a couple months?" In one of Warren Ellis' issues he has Nick Fury list all the things that have apparently happened and it's clear that Ellis is totally not on board with the timeline. (I didn't get the idea that Ultimate Gah Lak Tus is supposed to take place over a really busy weekend for example.)

Seeing Bendis in action is remarkable too, the unrestrained dialogue spilling over pages and pages going nowhere and saying nothing, it doesn't sound any more realistic and I just skim it which can be like speedreading entire USM issues since he takes decompression to the maximum point. No idea if he kept this format when he got to Superman or if DC tried to break him of it. I'll find that out at some later point in life. At one point I'm convinced that the timeline in Spider-Man actually starts going backwards as Mary Jane is implied to be younger than she was a hundred issues earlier.

Most of the Ultimate Marvel series have really bad art at some point too. And Ultimate Fantastic Four eventually degrades to where I wasn't sure if they were editing the book in Paint or what. It's a shame because UFF and the collective books are the arguably the more compelling of the Big Four books. UX is really hit or miss depending on the writer and how big of blue balls they're going to give you by up and disappearing in the middle of a story so it concludes two issues too soon with a deus ex machina. USM is best when it has Spider-Man as the focus the least. Also none of these artists apparently have an idea what a sixteen year old should look like in terms of if they should be children or just slightly smaller adults, UFF is the worst offender again because of the artist changes but UX and USM (despite having a single artist for most of it) also have people swapping between looking twelve or looking [censored to protect bork's sensibilities] with no inbetween other than they know they can't draw the tits too big on the girls because that'd be awkward. It wouldn't be as distracting (stuff like Teen Titans and X-Men has always had this problem) except that they are constantly calling to and remarking about the ages in the dialogue UX is the funniest offender by stating so often Jean Gray is NINTEEN GOING ON TWENTY making her and Storm all totally legal. Three pages of SEXY SUE STORM hitting on Reed and bending over suggestively, CUT TO HER DAD YELLING AT HER "I don't want you getting hurt! You're only sixteen!" Bendis gets around this too with his "they're all sixteen... sexy, single, sixteen, especially the adults" head-canon.

That said, the idea of Ultimate Marvel even as it fell into backwards is an interesting one, but it should be like an ongoing thing. Say, every 15 years, with a definitive ending. Then you wait a few years and restart the line again set in the present day. I'd like something like DC's Earth One to have an ongoing anthology type series, like Earth 2 was, rather than just graphic novels on no set timeline of how often they come out. And like The Ultimates and the many Ultimate [mini-series] served as. Anything would just be nice to have one of these universes actually age and develop people again, so like Reed Richards doesn't have to constantly be updated into what war he supposedly was in, just set it and forget it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb91-j861DI), then end the whole thing after 10-20 years and reboot. Just don't do it to your main universe, keep stretching those out until they collapse. Otherwise you have people like me snarking on how Batman went through five Robins in five years because you stupidly thought "oh yeah everybody is set to five years 'old' now but we won't toss out any of the canon for... Batman... and Green Lantern and..." One thing Marvel could do that DC couldn't (because they already did it) is jump back and set a Marvel Universe that "starts" in the 1980's, you could have all the blatantly Soviet villains as actual Soviet villains (like Black Widow or CRIMSON DYNAMO) again briefly, then the Soviet collapse could be done in terms of the superhero arms race with the "bad guys" then becoming freelancers around the globe and so on, I'd find that fun as we never really had that "timeline" whereas we had the 1960's and 2000's with Marvel and Ultimate Marvel. Plus you could write to events that already happened rather than to events as they're happening.

I'd even call it Ultimate Marvel still, whichever version, 1980's or 2020's start, with the understanding that this will only last for 10-20 years maximum, everything ends at some point and then reboots, etc. Then people would realize there's Marvel/DC which keeps going, and Ultimate Marvel/All-Star DC which starts over every decade or two. Only it would be on purpose and deliberate.

 :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 10, 2021, 04:52:33 AM
I'm reading Ultimate Marvel for the first time (other than some of Ultimate X-Men and The Ultimates once some time back) and The Ultimates 3/Ultimatum is amazing. Jeph Loeb is a master storyteller. How did nobody stop this? You really have to see it, reading reviews doesn't quite grasp it. "DO YOU THINK THIS A STANDS FOR FRANCE?" is so seemingly small in comparison to The House of Ideas™ that Loeb sets up and drops into just ten issues. And then Bendis just writes around it like nothing happened and as if no key characters were killed.

Ultimates 3 and Mark Millars Unfunnies are the 2 comics that even the harshest review cannot meet the reality of what was created, and you really do need to read for yourself. :rofl


Actually, the worst part is what is seemingly Bendis' insistence that the entire Ultimate Marvel storyline across all the books takes place during a single year with like a six month time skip for Ultimatum.

I think the idea for that came from editorial of the 616 to justify the sliding timescale, where like, every issue of spiderman pretty much has to be a day in his life, because otherwise he'd be way fucking older than is portrayed, which also makes zero sense in terms of the shit spidey goes through on a daily basis :lol

That said, the idea of Ultimate Marvel even as it fell into backwards is an interesting one, but it should be like an ongoing thing. Say, every 15 years, with a definitive ending. Then you wait a few years and restart the line again set in the present day. I'd like something like DC's Earth One to have an ongoing anthology type series, like Earth 2 was, rather than just graphic novels on no set timeline of how often they come out. And like The Ultimates and the many Ultimate [mini-series] served as. Anything would just be nice to have one of these universes actually age and develop people again, so like Reed Richards doesn't have to constantly be updated into what war he supposedly was in, just set it and forget it (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb91-j861DI), then end the whole thing after 10-20 years and reboot. Just don't do it to your main universe, keep stretching those out until they collapse. Otherwise you have people like me snarking on how Batman went through five Robins in five years because you stupidly thought "oh yeah everybody is set to five years 'old' now but we won't toss out any of the canon for... Batman... and Green Lantern and..."

its weird, because obviously a continuity free stepping on point for new readers makes a lot of sense, as does mining your previous continuity for its best bits and throwing away the crap stuff to have a streamlined 'greatest hits' line.
But then you have the problem marvel did at the time, where the only books worth reading are in your spin off line with all your best writers and your 'real' line (which really you should be trying to get readers to transition into) is trash

One thing Marvel could do that DC couldn't (because they already did it) is jump back and set a Marvel Universe that "starts" in the 1980's

They sorta kinda did...

(https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/c/cc/Earth-148611.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 10, 2021, 07:50:10 AM
Ultimates is just goddamn baffling on every level. Like how did a single page make it past the script stage? Maybe "tastes like chicken" works better in text?

Jesus.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 10, 2021, 07:51:17 AM
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One thing Marvel could do that DC couldn't (because they already did it) is jump back and set a Marvel Universe that "starts" in the 1980's

The Ultimate Universe was basically prototype comics MCU. But Feige hopefully has his head on straight.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 10, 2021, 10:27:54 AM
Probably didn't help with the comics sales that when the MCU had a new wave of fans looking to buy more content about Captain America, Thor and Iron Man, you know, like in the movies, Captain America was a black dude, Thor was a woman with cancer and Iron Man was a teenage girl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 10, 2021, 12:10:35 PM
Probably didn't help with the comics sales that when the MCU had a new wave of fans looking to buy more content about Captain America, Thor and Iron Man, you know, like in the movies, Captain America was a black dude, Thor was a woman with cancer and Iron Man was a teenage girl

...All things that they are going to do now in the MCU!

:rollsafe
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 10, 2021, 12:26:36 PM
Was not a big fan of that time.  IIRC wasn't this following Secret Wars and when Marvel replaced most of their bigger characters with others?  Not just for some kind of diversity push, but also Old Man Logan replacing Wolverine (even though X-23 also replaced Wolverine), Doc Ock becoming Superior Spider-Man, etc. 

And then before that, they did that AXIS event and Falcon was 'turned,' so his book was initially about him being ASSHOLE Captain America.  That was a good way to push your new superhero, Marvel.
:dead

I did like Iron Man with Riri Williams and Amadeus Cho as the Hulk.  Wasn't big on Jane Foster Thor.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 10, 2021, 01:05:07 PM
I stopped reading a whole bunch of stuff around then, not because I have a problem with replacing characters in concept, but because most of those replacement books were just really shitty.

Thats the problem with big sweeping changes - same reason I bounced hard off DC with nu52 too - if you upend the status quo, the new status quo at least has to be more interesting than what it replaced
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 11, 2021, 12:00:43 AM
I totally forgot about the new universe.

Ultimate Marvel does have a thing where a bunch of the writers said "what's the way we can make this horrible, killing doesn't work anymore" and they all said CANNIBALISM. Hulk eats people, Venom eats people, Blob eats people, Carnage arguably eats people, etc.

The funny thing about the Blob and TASTES LIKE CHICKEN is just before Bendis spends a whole bunch of time trying to humanize the Blob as a good dad who tries to do right for his kids even though he's part of Magneto's team. Then Jeph Loeb is like fuck that, this is the House of Ideas mister.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 11, 2021, 07:27:13 AM
I stopped reading a whole bunch of stuff around then, not because I have a problem with replacing characters in concept, but because most of those replacement books were just really shitty.

Thats the problem with big sweeping changes - same reason I bounced hard off DC with nu52 too - if you upend the status quo, the new status quo at least has to be more interesting than what it replaced

I feel like I just can't with DC since I haven't read most of their books in a few years, and every time I read about them, they're doing another line-wide universe-reset thing.  It sounds exhausting.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2021, 12:32:15 AM
DC only reset once, a decade ago with New 52. Convergence/Rebirth in 2015 was just undoing the New 52's limitations and restoring the entire post-Crisis canon. The status quo since then has been unchanged and what Morrison/Waid/etc. advocated for years and that's that everything is canon if you want it to be. Doomsday Clock, METAL, etc. have just been restoring things that New 52 wiped out, they haven't reset anything.

Basically DC has been unchanged since Crisis except there was a four year blip where briefly the New 52 existed, the only major character who was changed significantly was Wonder Woman (and Wally West who fell through a plot wormhole), and Death Metal was about restoring everything to her (and Wally West) as canon again. The trappings of the New 52 didn't even apply to some characters who aged up through it like Barbara Gordon.

The only reason Crisis still matters is because they really did rewrite almost everything back in the 80s and you can't go back before it because DC had no hard canon before it like Marvel did, but most everything has been written into the post-Crisis canon, even the pre-Crisis stories "happened" just not necessarily the way they were portrayed before Crisis. Unless you specifically are looking for that kind of DC... whimsy... that pre-Crisis stories contain you can always start at Crisis. Or you can start at New 52.

Actually. Or you can start at Rebirth. The idea was that if you had fell out with the New 52, you could just ignore it. The Rebirth stories were supposed to let you come back like nothing happened. Aside from having to wrangle Superman back into a single canon or things like the promoting Harley Quinn to AAA-lister most of the New 52 was ignorable if you wanted it to be. The exception to this is Batman Family and Green Lantern Family. Because they were never rebooted, they continued through Flashpoint into New 52 into Rebirth basically unchanged except for stuff like how Tim Drake was ALWAYS Red Robin now (except for when he wasn't) or whatever.  This actually could be considered tradition because Batman went through Crisis unchanged too, his stories continued right from where they left off before the Universe disappeared. Green Lantern similarly was "most unchanged" by Crisis because like Batman he had already been "rebooted" during the 70's.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 12, 2021, 12:42:50 AM
I had most of that post written but deleted it cause it wasn't worth the effort lol.

tldr: DC essentially reboots their line every five years these days. (New 52, Rebirth, "5G" (attempted))

It's not "exhausting" if you just do trades, but I hard-bailed out like two years ago cause I didn't like anything DC was publishing so what do I know. :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 12, 2021, 12:45:31 AM
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Basically DC has been unchanged since Crisis except there was a four year blip where briefly the New 52 existed, the only major character who was changed significantly was Wonder Woman

You could argue Supes as well, as current Supes is literally a DBZ fusion-HA of pre and post New 52 versions lol.

(https://i.imgur.com/wWBcARd.jpg)

"We're going to be fine!"

And then... BENDIS
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2021, 12:50:00 AM
Yeah, Batman is the only one I keep up with really. And the events. Then I'll read a bunch of something "collected" after a while, like Wonder Woman, especially when it was doing the every other issue dual storyline I was like, nah, I'll wait for this lol

Though even Death Metal I was more seeing it every week than reading it every week. Doomsday Clock I was simply because I was amazed at how long it was taking and how nothing was happening in it for the first thirty issues or so.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 12, 2021, 12:59:02 AM
Great Moments in Comic Dialogue Part LXVII:
(https://i.imgur.com/kEKpMT5.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 12, 2021, 04:53:02 AM
Thinking back, nu52 was really the straw that broke the camels back with me for DC, rather than a one off thing.

I just really don't like Geoff Johns, and the more say he has in things the less I end up liking them. :idont

I really feel like despite being an obvious Alan Moore fanboy, he really has no clue what makes (well, made past tense I guess) Alan Moore comics good; even doing his darker stuff there was still an element of whimsy, and you never really get with Geoff Johns when he's writing stuff like "THEN SUPERBOY PRIME PUNCHES HIS FUCKING HEAD OFF IN FRONT OF HIS FRIENDS"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 12, 2021, 04:57:50 AM
And then... BENDIS

...and conversely, I generally like Bendis, even though he drifts into samevoice and you end up with a bunch of supes nattering away like they're in an episode of Seinfeld.

I didn't know he'd done an actual sequel to Alias, and I read that yesterday when I discovered that.
It was still very good! I figure it must have come out around the netflix show getting some heat, as it was revisiting things that honestly didn't need revisiting.
I really like stories playing around in the margins of what its like living in a superhero world though - your Astro Cities / Top Tens / GCPDs / Stormwatch Team Achilles etc
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 12, 2021, 07:19:19 AM
DC only reset once, a decade ago with New 52. Convergence/Rebirth in 2015 was just undoing the New 52's limitations and restoring the entire post-Crisis canon. The status quo since then has been unchanged and what Morrison/Waid/etc. advocated for years and that's that everything is canon if you want it to be. Doomsday Clock, METAL, etc. have just been restoring things that New 52 wiped out, they haven't reset anything.

Basically DC has been unchanged since Crisis except there was a four year blip where briefly the New 52 existed, the only major character who was changed significantly was Wonder Woman (and Wally West who fell through a plot wormhole), and Death Metal was about restoring everything to her (and Wally West) as canon again. The trappings of the New 52 didn't even apply to some characters who aged up through it like Barbara Gordon.

The only reason Crisis still matters is because they really did rewrite almost everything back in the 80s and you can't go back before it because DC had no hard canon before it like Marvel did, but most everything has been written into the post-Crisis canon, even the pre-Crisis stories "happened" just not necessarily the way they were portrayed before Crisis. Unless you specifically are looking for that kind of DC... whimsy... that pre-Crisis stories contain you can always start at Crisis. Or you can start at New 52.

Actually. Or you can start at Rebirth. The idea was that if you had fell out with the New 52, you could just ignore it. The Rebirth stories were supposed to let you come back like nothing happened. Aside from having to wrangle Superman back into a single canon or things like the promoting Harley Quinn to AAA-lister most of the New 52 was ignorable if you wanted it to be. The exception to this is Batman Family and Green Lantern Family. Because they were never rebooted, they continued through Flashpoint into New 52 into Rebirth basically unchanged except for stuff like how Tim Drake was ALWAYS Red Robin now (except for when he wasn't) or whatever.  This actually could be considered tradition because Batman went through Crisis unchanged too, his stories continued right from where they left off before the Universe disappeared. Green Lantern similarly was "most unchanged" by Crisis because like Batman he had already been "rebooted" during the 70's.

It's pretty much what Tasty said- it's like they reboot their comics every five years or so.  I wasn't that big into DC -was always way more into Marvel- and finally started reading a lot more of their stuff when New 52 came along.  This is in contrast to Marvel, where I'd been reading since the 80s.  Once they decided to ditch New 52, they started losing me again, and all these constant events where shit is changed up (or them trying "restore" everything) is just too much. 
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 12, 2021, 07:21:00 AM
Great Moments in Comic Dialogue Part LXVII:
(https://i.imgur.com/kEKpMT5.png)

Is this Claremont?

When I think of his writing, I think of the word "caper" being used way too much.  :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 12, 2021, 08:03:54 AM
Great Moments in Comic Dialogue Part LXVII:
(https://i.imgur.com/kEKpMT5.png)

I'm partial to Part LXVIII:

(https://i.imgur.com/9vhDTxk.jpg)

Quoth Timothy Drake. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 12, 2021, 08:09:33 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/qJ3MSpq.jpg)

From a contemporary 'event' crossover comic
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2021, 01:04:44 PM
I'm partial to Part LXVIII:

(https://i.imgur.com/9vhDTxk.jpg)

Quoth Timothy Drake. :lol
Why does he have so many ears?

Is this Claremont?

When I think of his writing, I think of the word "caper" being used way too much.  :P
Yes, in the intro essay to the Masterworks he admits that his early Uncanny X-Men issues are "significantly overwritten" with the hindsight of 20 years.

This was almost certainly due to Marvel's payment structure. Marvel paid based on three things, the plot, the art and the dialogue. This was the "Marvel Method" that worked so well for Lee and Kirby/Ditko. You can tell it when you read old Marvel and compare it to almost anything from anyone else or anything "modern" it has tons of dialogue of characters describing out loud what they're doing. "I'll swing from this roof over to this other roof and then jump down onto another roof" will be not just shown or described quickly but be two or three boxes of dialogue from say, Daredevil or Spider-Man. Some of my favorites are characters out loud describing how they need to keep quiet to hide their secret identities lest anyone find out they're actually MATT MURDOCK AND I HOPE NOBODY FINDS OUT THAT I'M MATT MURDOCK AS I SNEAK UP HERE IN THESE RAFTERS AS MATT MURDOCK DRESSED AS DAREDEVIL. It's because Stan Lee was getting himself paid a second time for every dialogue box he could fit over the art and plot.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2021, 01:06:22 AM
I finished Ultimate Marvel and I like how it never stops really, albeit nobody can match Jeph Loeb, with the United States falling apart, mutant land reservations, and Captain America winning election as the President. :lol

There's some legitimate good in there, I liked where they went with Reed Richards and everything, even the solution to the one storyline involving that was a great way to get out of an impossible plot, etc. Miles Morales was really boring though and Bendis' plot problems compacted into themselves with it. Bendis trying to write what I imagine he'd term "African-American dialogue" was hilarious and I hoped it would continue but he dropped it after an issue.

Also, generally overlooked (couldn't even find it online) in all the other madness from those Loeb issues is this epic comeback from Wolverine to Hawkeye, in Ultimates 3:
(https://i.imgur.com/OpVWE8m.png)

GOT EM LOGAN, GOT EM
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 16, 2021, 05:51:22 AM
epic comeback, or fourth wall breaking jab at editorial oversight on continuity?

:thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 16, 2021, 12:06:03 PM
Well, they had just murdered his wife and kids in Ultimates 2.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 16, 2021, 12:09:22 PM
Speaking of Ultimates 3-

https://www.cbr.com/things-that-turned-out-bad-quicksilver-and-scarlet-witch-take-their-love-for-each-other-way-too-far/

:yikes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 20, 2021, 03:17:52 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/UutfDb0.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 21, 2021, 12:17:36 AM
Tasty, if I want to watch Justice League stuff through the DC animated movies, which one do I start with?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 21, 2021, 01:16:43 AM
Justice League: The Flashpoint Paradox is the first one from when they launched this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DC_Animated_Movie_Universe#Films
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 21, 2021, 01:26:59 AM
Yeah, that was what I was looking for.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 21, 2021, 02:50:49 AM
Ok, watched the first one, The Flashpoint Paradox. That was not a good place to start with an alt-world story.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 21, 2021, 06:57:28 PM
Most of those animated movies are better than the live-action ones.  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 22, 2021, 02:20:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/xpDWUlh.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/B8qXmFF.png)

 :takei
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on March 23, 2021, 08:15:25 AM
Most of those animated movies are better than the live-action ones.  :doge

Low bar.

Young Justice is substantially better than the movies.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2021, 09:54:40 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/g855hjL.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 24, 2021, 09:58:56 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/KDl02R0.png)

wait, Tony Stark is IRON MAN?!?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 25, 2021, 12:08:54 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ExS7-NVVEAMxqe0?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 25, 2021, 12:37:32 PM
WHY I OUGHTA
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2021, 04:16:47 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/best-year-of-boom-studios-books

Are any of these good? I've never heard of Boom comics or any of these comics but I've enjoyed a lot of random stuff from the Image comics bundles.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 25, 2021, 04:20:49 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/best-year-of-boom-studios-books

Are any of these good? I've never heard of Boom comics or any of these comics but I've enjoyed a lot of random stuff from the Image comics bundles.

The only one I've read is Irredeemable (which is good, but ymmv based on your interest in a 'what if superman went bad?' story) but theres some books by Al Ewing and Kieron Gillen who both do pretty good stuff
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2021, 04:26:56 PM
Oh, I like Gillen. I'll have to take a look at which is theirs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2021, 07:30:11 PM
So I got the $25 bundle and the quality of the scans are complete artifacting shit on all of them. Got the .cbzs, will see if the pdfs are any better but I think the publisher just did a real shitty job with their digital scans  :maf
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2021, 07:58:34 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/DxIFZSIh.jpg)

Like literally this is the quality of a brand new comic you get for $25 in this bundle.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 25, 2021, 08:01:42 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3CUBv34.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VOUKqyu.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2021, 08:10:38 PM
Yaaa, that is shitty too lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 25, 2021, 08:11:15 PM
Well I submitted a support ticket to humble bundle to at least make them aware that their new bundle has ass image quality and they should complain to Boom! Studios or whoever is supplying the scanned digital comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 26, 2021, 07:19:18 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/t5kYkaU.jpeg)

:ryker
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 26, 2021, 09:19:11 PM
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_46f7f7_5501699.jpg)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_f5379c_5501699.jpg)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_241c97_5501699.jpg)
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(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_81ff76_5501699.jpg)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_1ed956_5501699.jpg)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_895331_5501699.jpg)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_10bbb9_5501699.jpg)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_ad0f98_5501699.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 26, 2021, 09:20:40 PM
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_f908c4_5501699.jpg)
(https://hg1.funnyjunk.com/pictures/Sexual_f7ce7c_5501699.jpg)
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8997436928/h7A8F7C14/im-stiffening-up-got-grab-hose-16)
(https://i.chzbgr.com/full/7530752256/h30A73062/the-wiener-bandit-is-dastardly)
(https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-6b479380bc40da6232348a85aa6cb3a2)
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/actioncomics270_page027.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 26, 2021, 09:32:24 PM
There's an old issue of (I assume) Fantastic Four I saw a few years ago where PASTE POT PETE attacks Sue Storm and shoots glue all over her sticking her to the floor and it looks like well, you know...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 27, 2021, 05:23:46 PM
There's an old issue of (I assume) Fantastic Four I saw a few years ago where PASTE POT PETE attacks Sue Storm and shoots glue all over her sticking her to the floor and it looks like well, you know...

I love how in continuity paste pot pete is such a shit name that even after he rebrands as the Trapster everyone still calls him paste pot pete  :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 27, 2021, 06:52:39 PM
There's an old issue of (I assume) Fantastic Four I saw a few years ago where PASTE POT PETE attacks Sue Storm and shoots glue all over her sticking her to the floor and it looks like well, you know...

(https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/108995/2524915-daredevil_035___19.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 27, 2021, 06:53:55 PM
There's an old issue of (I assume) Fantastic Four I saw a few years ago where PASTE POT PETE attacks Sue Storm and shoots glue all over her sticking her to the floor and it looks like well, you know...

I love how in continuity paste pot pete is such a shit name that even after he rebrands as the Trapster everyone still calls him paste pot pete  :lol

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DplFpT_UUAEocM_?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 27, 2021, 07:41:31 PM
(https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/10/108995/2524915-daredevil_035___19.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/nrTvV3b.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ARQ3cCO.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/OWlVEyM.png)
spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/R0wdF8B.png)
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 31, 2021, 03:44:10 PM
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/dc-comics-deathstroke-rapist/

Uh... OK.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Coffee Dog on April 01, 2021, 09:09:19 PM
Slade was hard confirmed as not ever fucking Terra in Priest's Deathstroke run just a few years ago, and he still caught shit from the characters in the book for his prior dealings with her. Kind of weird to take such a stand against something deliberately excised from the canon in every modern adaptation.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on April 02, 2021, 10:44:44 AM
Deathstrokes relationship with Terra was always fucked up, inappropriate and manipulative and was never shown as anything other than that, because it was literally supposed to be a thematic 'dark mirror' to Dick Graysons own relationship with Bruce Wayne.
That's why it happened in what was pretty much a Dick Grayson book.

I don't really know what extra mileage you get out of Slade Wilson being a statutory rapist (the most well, ackshually kind of rapist) anymore than you get anything extra from identity crisis making Dr Light a full on rapist who chose to mostly fight kids.

Seems like the kind of thing people are just going to pretend never happened a few years down the line, like Dick Grayson getting raped or Hal Jordans statutory rapist affair with Arisia.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 04, 2021, 06:53:38 PM
More Daredevil you won't see in the MCU:
(https://i.imgur.com/koYmRvS.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on April 05, 2021, 05:20:40 PM
Continuing my 2008 Marvel Unlimited reading, I read Omega: The Unknown the 2007/2008 re-imaging by novelist Jonathan Lethem who never worked on a comic book again after this 10 issue mini-series. Art by Farel Darlyrmple.

It's weird, and very wordy, but it's also kinda good even if it doesn't nail it to great? The crazy thing about it is that even though it's over a decade old, if it came out tomorrow it would feel very modern and 2021. So the social issues and vibe of it was way ahead of its time.

It has some clever weird stuff like the sorta bad guy is a tv B-list superhero who kidnaps other superheroes to study in a labyrinth and has his own fan club. And there's a superhero that is weird and doesn't talk and flies up and catches bird that he deep fries in a fried chicken van and eats, and a talking outer space dimensional head statue.

It kind of reminded me of The Sentry origin comic. But this was definitely more weird. This feels a lot closer to something Image or someone would publish than Marvel and within Marvel that made it interesting.

I'd recommend it if you are into weird brainy things.

(https://i.imgur.com/Z0h5CKPl.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on April 06, 2021, 07:33:34 AM
Seems like the kind of thing people are just going to pretend never happened a few years down the line, like Dick Grayson getting raped or Hal Jordans statutory rapist affair with Arisia.

http://www.oafe.net/blog/2009/01/hal-jordan-is-a-pedophile/

Quote
We get a lot of questions about this one, both on our message board and via email. "Hal Jordan is a pedophile" is our own little meme, like "Superman is a dick" or "It sucks being Sue Storm!" Of course, just like those, ours has a real basis in the comics.

It started with the character of Arisia, a 13-year-old GL with some serious daddy issues. She developed a crush on Hal, and in Green Lantern #205 and 206, she used her ring to physically mature her body so Hal would like her back. That link has a better analysis of the situation than we could manage, so go enjoy. Anyway, the story ends with Hal dry-humping this girl in a cave about an hour after he notices the change. Big hero.

(http://www.oafe.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/GLpedo1.jpg)
left, Arisia in her first appearance; right, Hal grinding on her

Several writers kept this relationship alive, which means that Hal knew Arisia was actually still a child, but carried on a serial relationship with her anyway. It's recently been retconned that "13" on her home planet is equivalent to our "240," but that sure as hell wasn't the case when the character (and the concept) was introduced.

A more recent example comes from The Brave and the Bold #2, where Hal is flying in space with the new Supergirl:

(http://www.oafe.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/GLpedo2.jpg)
I don't care how hot the girl is, normal people don't need to remind themselves when someone is underage. Especially not with such... fervor. I mean, come on, the guy works side by side with Black Canary - where's the comic that spends pages and pages on him reminding himself that she's married to Green Arrow?

Although, in Hal's defense, Supergirl did eventually end up dressing like this (http://www.oafe.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/GLpedo3.jpg) for him, so... wait, I forget how that was supposed to be mitigating. He was still forced to remind himself that she was underage. Let's face it: Hal Jordan is a pedophile.

(http://www.oafe.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/GLpedo4.jpg)

:yikes
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on April 06, 2021, 08:15:53 AM
yeah its suuuuuuuuuuuper fucked up (and that article doesn't even cover how they originally hooked up basically as frat boy date rape, because guy gardner got her piss drunk as a 'present' for Hal :rofl) which is why its never brought up.

There's a pretty interesting JSA (I think?) subplot where Alan Scott is all "INAPPROPES SON" to Shazam because him and Stargirl are getting close and it's a secret that The Real Captain Marvel is actually a 15 year old kid and so is she and he cuts relations because he doesnt want the adult supes knowing hes really just a kid, but Alan Scott is fine with his protege Hal actually banging a 1000 year old dragon totally normal alien girl
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on April 08, 2021, 11:29:04 PM
Almost done reading this 2007 run of Howard the Duck vs. M.O.D.O.T. and this is my first experience with Howard the Duck since I was like a kid and he's actually pretty great as grumpy old man here? I remember they made a movie when I was a kid.

It's such a weird IP. Why is it Marvel? Why does it exist? Will Howard the Duck be in the MCU at some point?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on April 09, 2021, 04:14:15 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Y8MEAUPlZk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuzieHjZs8E

 :expert


as to the why, I'm pretty sure like most everything marvel + '70s, the answers the same: drugs.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: D3RANG3D on April 12, 2021, 03:20:56 PM
spoiler (click to show/hide)
https://twitter.com/DanuskoCampos/status/1381049329411092483
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 08, 2021, 09:22:54 PM
Batman Earth One Book 3 finally came out (GEOFF JOHNS) and it was pretty good, he almost pulled off the twist too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 18, 2021, 01:02:51 AM
Venom #200 was finally released this week, ending the delayed King In Black event.  They changed up the character completely.
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Eddie Brock is now the new "King In Black" and has control of all of the symbiotes in the universe, except for one- Venom.  So he's basically like a god now and through the symbiotes can be in multiple places at once, talking to people and doing things.  This has also taken a physical toll on his body and he looks like an old man.  They don't seem to have a design finalized, though, because depending on who drew the page, he either looks younger, bigger (fitter), or looks like David Letterman with his beard.

The Venom symbiote is now independent of the whole symbiote collective and can think/talk on its own.  Predictably, it ends up bonding with Eddie's son, Dylan, who is now the new Venom.  Venom gets a bit of a redesign and has chains wrapped around his forearms.

New plotlines introduced:

Flash Thompson was resurrected during the King In Black storyline and is back as "Agent Venom" with a white symbiote suit.  He finds out that some of the symbiotes have bonded with various people and they're being hunted down and killed.  Eddie also recommends him to join the Avengers.

The Maker, who is Reed Richards from the Ultimate universe turned insane villain, came to the mainline 616 universe some time ago and popped in the Venom comics getting help to repair an artificial symbiote taken from his universe, correctly guessing that the symbiotes somehow allow for travel between realities.  Eddie has found out that he went back to the destroyed Ultimate universe because he wants to join "The Council Of Reeds", a group of Reed Richards from various realities, and do that he has to restore his own reality first.  For whatever reason he has to do bad shit in the mainline universe first and holy shit this is confusing as hell.  Especially when the Ultimate universe was shown in an older Spider-Man comic to have been brought back and all the dead characters restored a few years ago. 
[close]
:mindblown :confused
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 20, 2021, 10:45:31 PM
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Council of Reeds, like "Council of Ricks"?
That's really lame. I mean, sure, it's a natural fit. But the only lower-hanging fruit than that is Rick Sanchez' scrotum.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 21, 2021, 11:23:04 AM
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Council of Reeds, like "Council of Ricks"?
That's really lame. I mean, sure, it's a natural fit. But the only lower-hanging fruit than that is Rick Sanchez' scrotum.
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The concept was introduced in Hickmans FF run a decade or so back, so I think there's a strong argument for the who's ripping who off to be the other way round
(https://i.imgur.com/ixWLDpy.jpeg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on June 29, 2021, 04:52:38 AM
:mindblown.gif

Thanks for the correction! Seriously!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 29, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
:mindblown.gif

Thanks for the correction! Seriously!

I didn't know that either!   :lol

They just did it again with Mephisto and introduced "The council of reds."    :P
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 30, 2021, 04:43:44 AM
Hickmans stuff is pretty good; I'd recommend his FF run, although it basically then leads straight into his Avengers run. which then also basically leads straight into Secret Wars, so hopefully you got a spare few hours :lol


Further evidence in the "whos ripping off who" column is the latest Rick & Morty introduced a Namor expy as Ricks Nemesis :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 30, 2021, 04:48:19 AM
They just did it again with Mephisto and introduced "The council of reds."    :P

I liked the idea of Mephisto + a few other characters (like Mojo) being multiversal constants (theres only the one version of them you deal with from any dimension) so I don't like that idea in principle, along with the fact that Mephisto by his nature isn't going to work well as a team  :(
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 30, 2021, 08:32:49 AM
They just did it again with Mephisto and introduced "The council of reds."    :P

I liked the idea of Mephisto + a few other characters (like Mojo) being multiversal constants (theres only the one version of them you deal with from any dimension) so I don't like that idea in principle, along with the fact that Mephisto by his nature isn't going to work well as a team  :(

Yeah- for those characters, having one version who is all over the multiverse makes more sense.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 05, 2021, 07:52:07 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fn4ArRmzHhQ
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 07, 2021, 04:02:46 PM
made more sense than neal adams batman: odyssey

:kermit
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2021, 11:25:03 PM
Gideon Falls has a decent hook to start, is decent enough to continue that I kept going, but the ending was pretty dumb. It had just started to get back to interesting again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2021, 11:19:40 PM
@Tasty:
https://ew.com/books/robin-comes-out-as-bisexual-in-batman-urban-legends-comic/
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There's a new LGBTQ superhero on the block, but DC Comics readers already know him well.

The latest issue of Batman: Urban Legends, a monthly anthology series, revealed that the Caped Crusader's longtime sidekick Robin, specifically the Tim Drake version of him, is bisexual.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 10, 2021, 11:26:30 PM
Tim Drake? Seriously?

It feels like making nuTrek's Sulu gay. Like, something that was just a reaction, and not well thought out.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2021, 11:29:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/aP5YdTk.jpg)

From 2016. 🤷‍♂️

I have mixed feelings and I'm going to take some time to process and reflect.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 10, 2021, 11:32:17 PM
Since Timmy's rarely in the news for anything except getting murdered across various continuities, here's some fanart to celebrate.

(https://i.imgur.com/kfDHgKe.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/d4SFZfK.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/dBpDvkk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/vCD7AnH.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/GY7LsLl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZKWFNNM.jpg)
Does Marcus To art count as fanart? :thinking He drew the Red Robin series...

(https://i.imgur.com/9wP2EoW.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/VWXY73A.jpg)

This is my ideal Tim Drake, mostly the pre-New 52 golden era.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on August 19, 2021, 01:01:02 PM
https://twitter.com/bensears/status/1428383600421052416?s=20

TIGHT
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 19, 2021, 01:42:45 PM
https://www.dccomics.com/blog/2021/08/11/some-big-changes-for-tim-drake

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Okay, don’t freak out. Don’t freak out. All right, fine, you can freak out, but please freak respectfully. As of August 10th, 2021, your headcanon is real: Tim Drake dates boys.

I still have mixed opinions (and I think having a negative reaction is perfectly valid), but damn it this shameless appeal to the Tim Drake fan crowd has actually won me over. The Tumblr/AO3 writers I followed years ago are probably running DC now and I ain't even mad.

Fuck it, you win DC. :trumps Buying a physical comic book for the first time in 15 years.

That is, whenever the second printing hits... (https://bleedingcool.com/comics/bisexual-robin-sees-batman-urban-legends-6-get-a-second-print/)

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And now DC Comics has sold out of the comic in question, decided that there may be more demand, and has sent Batman: Urban Legends #6 to a second printing. No cover revealed yet, but odds are it will have Tim Drake and Bernard Dowd on the cover…



Plus, no Steph erasure... (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/robin-bisexual-batman-1234995541/)

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The comic’s writer, Meghan Fitzman, told Polygon that they’re deliberately not putting a label on the character’s feelings as of yet. “I wanted to pay tribute to the fact that sexuality is a journey,” Fitzmartin said. “To be clear, his feelings for Stephanie have been/are 100 percent real, as are his feelings for Bernard. However, Tim is still figuring himself out. I don’t think he has the language for it all… yet.”
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 19, 2021, 01:46:51 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/BsE2JCE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ycuCKsA.png)


https://www.instagram.com/p/CSZycqLnSRT/

Marcus To is my favorite comic book artist, worked on my favorite series (Red Robin), and did this special art in support of my favorite comic book character. The world is good. :heart
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: D3RANG3D on September 09, 2021, 06:49:41 AM
https://www.webtoons.com/en/slice-of-life/batman-wayne-family-adventures/list?title_no=3180


This reeks of...

(https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/Co2D5EYyEBBk0akL7Q6YT31Uptw=/0x0:1409x785/1400x1050/filters:focal(622x252:846x476):format(png)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/55701645/Screen_Shot_2017_07_13_at_1.09.20_PM.0.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 09, 2021, 01:25:39 PM
DC keep trying to soften the edges of batman and make him go home and be a family man, but it never sticks because people like batman as broken bad ass loner whos one bad day away from ending up in arkham himself.

Cassandra Cain was cool then they ruined her.
Spoiler was cool then they ruined her.
Jason Todd was always shit, then they brought him back for some fucking reason  ???
Barbara Gordon was cool AS FUCK as Oracle then they ruined her.
Tim Drake was cool then they ruined him by killing off his dad, replacing him with jason fucking todd, and then not knowing what to do with him and shuffling him under the carpet. I guess now hes bi he has a differentiator that might get him some storylines at least.

:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 09, 2021, 01:27:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqv_LUStxDw
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 11, 2021, 11:30:17 AM
forget Tim:
https://twitter.com/TomTaylorMade/status/1447565280423469058

https://twitter.com/JoshMandelOhio/status/1447606643299168266

https://twitter.com/allahpundit/status/1447676373464670215
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on October 13, 2021, 03:53:06 PM
I will honest, while glad for the character and the possibilities, but who gives a fuck? Why does the general public needs to care about Supes son enjoying tacos and hotdogs equally? Why is this ruining comics? Why is this saving comics? Why I don’t totally hate that dude pink hair?

Most people that will start bitching about it will be people that don’t even know is not Clark Kent and will just make the idiots bitch about it while tumblr writers stay mediocre.

It just not on me to care anymore about comics, and publicity stunts like this just make more cynical even if the storyline makes perfect sense or could be good (because we know DC or Marvel don’t shit the bed themselves/sarcasm).

Glad, for you Tasty, thought. I miss being exited for comic books.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 14, 2021, 08:20:09 AM
I was excited when they announced that work had been done on Fell and they were going to finish it off, but then the publisher remembered that warren ellis is #cancelled and now so is fell
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Boredfrom on October 14, 2021, 09:55:05 AM
I was excited when they announced that work had been done on Fell and they were going to finish it off, but then the publisher remembered that warren ellis is #cancelled and now so is fell

The ball is also on Ellis given how horrible has mismanaged the whole ordeal has become. I don’t think being a pervert creep merits cancellation, but I expected more that “I’m going to wait a year to all this blow over. Oh shit, they remember. I’m going to apologize again”. I think that group of women are full of shit when they are saying that “they just want to heal and to him to improve” but is cringe his solution was “wait a year and pretend it didn’t happen”.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 14, 2021, 10:15:32 AM
I was excited when they announced that work had been done on Fell and they were going to finish it off, but then the publisher remembered that warren ellis is #cancelled and now so is fell

The ball is also on Ellis given how horrible has mismanaged the whole ordeal has become. I don’t think being a pervert creep merits cancellation, but I expected more that “I’m going to wait a year to all this blow over. Oh shit, they remember. I’m going to apologize again”. I think that group of women are full of shit when they are saying that “they just want to heal and to him to improve” but is cringe his solution was “wait a year and pretend it didn’t happen”.

All the scripts were done ages ago, it was the artist who was the hold up, then they came out excitedly going "GONNA RELEASE FINISH FOR FELL Y'ALL!" and then the twitterati made their displeasure felt

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/warren-ellis-image-comics-fell-canceled-1234974036/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2021, 06:42:06 PM
https://twitter.com/THR/status/1449442913012834308
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 17, 2021, 07:21:20 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/1Wbb6j0.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on December 13, 2021, 08:12:17 PM
I finished reading Matt Fraction/David Aja's Hawkeye run. It was alright. Kind not as good as people hype it up to be.

The best part is the art and panel layouts. It looked really stylish and nice. I feel like Fraction is great at coming out with quirky story concepts and characters. The loser Clint Barton here is great, Kate Bishop is awesome, the tracksuit bros are great. But then after the initial issues he's not really great at following through with a story and stuff just jumps around with so-so stories and eventually ties together in the end.

Now the only Fraction-led stuff I've read are this and Sex Criminals, so I'm basing this off a very limited amount of his work. But Sex Criminals was fun and quirky for a few volumes and then it got kind of dumb and pointless and going nowhere and I bailed around vol.4-5 or something.

Sure he co-wrote Immortal Iron Fist which was GREAT, but the other co-writer was Brubaker and Brubaker is really good at telling stories imo.

So at first watching Hawkeye TV I wished they took more from the comic since they really didn't take much from it outside the tracksuit mafia and Kate Bishop being a character along with Pizza Dog and a few scenes, but after reading the run I think it's probably better that they aren't doing those storylines because they just aren't that great. Though I do with MCU Hawkeye was more of a bumbling loser hero like Clint is in the comic.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 14, 2021, 06:19:06 AM
Read some stuff:
Batman Universe - Bendis, but good! This was one of the better things he's done in a while that I've seen. This was fun, self-contained.

Checkmate (2021) - Bendis again, but bad! This was the second half of Event Leviathan and like that it was well stupid. Basically nothing happened. But it was written like lots of intense things were occurring and everything was VERY SERIOUS.

Guardians of the Galaxy (1990-95) - The original team! Has basically nothing to do with the movie versions. Although sorta similar characters did show up in Vol. 2. The most similar character is Yondu. Who is similar in both this and the movies in that he's blue.

But this was fun. At one point it gets really 90s including horrible inhuman looking art. But I liked its world building of a Marvel universe a thousand years in the future. It was apparently inspired by and came about because of the success of Star Trek: TNG. Ends with a bunch of dangling threads because it was cancelled rather abruptly. The backstory for this team goes back to 1969 and is spread over some random ass books like The Defenders and stuff like Marvel Two-In-One and it seems like you're missing a lot if you haven't read those but ultimately I don't think it matters it's just kind of this backstory you didn't actually read. I had read some of it coming across other Marvel stuff, like The Defenders, and I felt like I was missing something, but not really, it's just the way it was written to include all this stuff as some kind of canon to the team when it was obscure stories from decades earlier.

Also literally nothing about any of the time travel in the series makes any sense. The part where they ventured outside the multiverse (!!!) and deal with a cosmic paradox makes more sense than any of the time travel. Overall I liked it, though some of it was really dumb and also like I did not see what the writer saw in one of the eventual main characters on the series but he totally seemed to love this stupid character when I was sorta hoping he'd go away like others. (Nope, he stays with the team for the remaining 40 issues being awful the entire time!)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 14, 2021, 07:14:06 AM
I finished reading Matt Fraction/David Aja's Hawkeye run. It was alright. Kind not as good as people hype it up to be.

.....

Now the only Fraction-led stuff I've read are this and Sex Criminals, so I'm basing this off a very limited amount of his work. But Sex Criminals was fun and quirky for a few volumes and then it got kind of dumb and pointless and going nowhere and I bailed around vol.4-5 or something.


Same- no idea how (if?) that series ended- I just lost interest.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on December 14, 2021, 07:22:10 AM
Guardians of the Galaxy (1990-95) - The original team! Has basically nothing to do with the movie versions. Although sorta similar characters did show up in Vol. 2. The most similar character is Yondu. Who is similar in both this and the movies in that he's blue.

But this was fun. At one point it gets really 90s including horrible inhuman looking art. But I liked its world building of a Marvel universe a thousand years in the future. It was apparently inspired by and came about because of the success of Star Trek: TNG. Ends with a bunch of dangling threads because it was cancelled rather abruptly. The backstory for this team goes back to 1969 and is spread over some random ass books like The Defenders and stuff like Marvel Two-In-One and it seems like you're missing a lot if you haven't read those but ultimately I don't think it matters it's just kind of this backstory you didn't actually read. I had read some of it coming across other Marvel stuff, like The Defenders, and I felt like I was missing something, but not really, it's just the way it was written to include all this stuff as some kind of canon to the team when it was obscure stories from decades earlier.

Also literally nothing about any of the time travel in the series makes any sense. The part where they ventured outside the multiverse (!!!) and deal with a cosmic paradox makes more sense than any of the time travel. Overall I liked it, though some of it was really dumb and also like I did not see what the writer saw in one of the eventual main characters on the series but he totally seemed to love this stupid character when I was sorta hoping he'd go away like others. (Nope, he stays with the team for the remaining 40 issues being awful the entire time!)

The furry cat guy?   :lol

Calling it the Marvel version of TNG fits pretty well.  I just remember it drawing back to so many 20th century things that it was ridiculous- Sure, they could only go with what they had to work with at the time, but even the writers had to realize how dumb it was for so much of the 31st century 'culture' they were creating to be drawing from one point in the 1980s/1990s, lol.

I remember there being a spin-off book that didn't last too long- The Galactic Guardians or some shit?  With an aged Wonder Man (Hollywood!), Ghost Rider, Phoenix, and some other characters. 

Can definitely understand why the movies did not draw at all from this version of the GoTG apart from using Yondu as a completely different character.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 19, 2021, 10:43:02 AM
The furry cat guy?   :lol
Yes, Talon. He was awful but it was fine. But then they made him worse by turning him first into Dr. Strange BUT MORE POWERFUL, then revealing he's the "last" Inhuman and then making him push to become the leader of the group. (Even though for most of the series the group never had a leader but operated by consensus.)

I just remember it drawing back to so many 20th century things that it was ridiculous- Sure, they could only go with what they had to work with at the time, but even the writers had to realize how dumb it was for so much of the 31st century 'culture' they were creating to be drawing from one point in the 1980s/1990s, lol.
Oh, yes, this. Time froze for a thousand years around 1989 apparently. Most of this problem was because they kept going back to Earth. Earth was the least interesting place in the galaxy, but they kept going back to it. It was cool to go the first time, just to find out what it was like, but after that they practically lived there for 20 issues or so before going back out to the galaxy before then coming BACK to Earth for another long period.

I remember there being a spin-off book that didn't last too long- The Galactic Guardians or some shit?  With an aged Wonder Man (Hollywood!), Ghost Rider, Phoenix, and some other characters. 
Yeah, just four issues, and all the ongoing plots came from and then continued on in the regular book. I actually liked the idea of them setting up multiple teams. It would have been cool to bounce back and forth among the teams and you could easily explain it away as the other teams having down and travel time to get to the next adventure worth popping in on.

The GotG at one point were the obvious loser and weak team, that barely had any actual powers, with "Major Victory" running around with a mullet and Cap's shield. Meanwhile the Galactic Guardians had a specced up Vision, Martinex (the brains of the Guardians to where the first team couldn't even operate most of the ship once he left to the second team), Wonder Man, Ghost Rider, Phoenix, Firelord, etc. But the book spent all its time on the first team and treated them as these well known galactic badasses, with a bunch of that legacy having been established by the characters in the second team!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on January 03, 2022, 10:38:33 AM
https://bleedingcool.com/comics/did-dc-comics-change-superman-son-of-kal-el-6-seems-so-spoilers/

Just your typical Tim erasure, can't wait for the next one. 🙄
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on January 03, 2022, 05:50:52 PM
Some interesting videos on this channel:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec7gbtLf8tc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNt3ObW6rTM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGrbLi5lVwI
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on January 04, 2022, 08:19:58 AM
I've always felt bad for Jim Shooter, it just seems like he was a dude who fucking loved comics, wanted to treat people fairly (creators and audiences alike) and was just a victim of office politicking, greed, and unchecked egos.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on January 10, 2022, 12:15:41 AM
Man, The Sandman issue #6 24 hours with Doctor Destiny was reaaaaally dark. Listening to the audiobook adaptation. I saw they're doing that as ep5 of the Netflix show. If they don't tone it down, which I'm sure they will to a degree, that's gonna be a rough watch.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on January 10, 2022, 07:37:25 PM
http://twitter.com/artofmmignola/status/1480683265883136002
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on January 30, 2022, 09:52:43 PM
http://twitter.com/andymarlette/status/1487119456073568265
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 02, 2022, 07:37:41 PM
After like THREE OR FOUR YEARS of getting through all the Marvel comics between Civil War (2006) and Secret Invasion (2008) I finally finished the list:

https://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/marvel-comics-from-civil-war-to-secret-invasion/

And started on Secret Invasion. Been a while since I read a big event. It's pretty exciting although I'm finding it weird because reading Marvel from like the 1990s to 2008, Skrulls were always a joke and then Secret Invasion starts and they are like terrorist attacking the whole world and shit is super violent and dark.

It kind of just seems like a re-tread of Civil War though? Like "you can't trust each other" so the superheroes fight each other. Like...that was Civil War just one event back!

I'm very curious how Disney will adapt this with Sam Jackson as a light disney+ comedy series since uhhhhh, the comic event is very much not that!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2022, 10:14:43 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/kFtHEcR.png)

 >:( Fuck you Bezos.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on February 02, 2022, 10:18:37 PM
After like THREE OR FOUR YEARS of getting through all the Marvel comics between Civil War (2006) and Secret Invasion (2008) I finally finished the list:

https://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/marvel-comics-from-civil-war-to-secret-invasion/

And started on Secret Invasion. Been a while since I read a big event. It's pretty exciting although I'm finding it weird because reading Marvel from like the 1990s to 2008, Skrulls were always a joke and then Secret Invasion starts and they are like terrorist attacking the whole world and shit is super violent and dark.

It kind of just seems like a re-tread of Civil War though? Like "you can't trust each other" so the superheroes fight each other. Like...that was Civil War just one event back!

I'm very curious how Disney will adapt this with Sam Jackson as a light disney+ comedy series since uhhhhh, the comic event is very much not that!

I enjoyed this event series- the tie-in issues, focusing on the Skrull imposters' back stories, were the best parts.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 03, 2022, 07:27:07 AM
After like THREE OR FOUR YEARS of getting through all the Marvel comics between Civil War (2006) and Secret Invasion (2008) I finally finished the list:

https://www.comicbookherald.com/the-complete-marvel-reading-order-guide/marvel-comics-from-civil-war-to-secret-invasion/

And started on Secret Invasion. Been a while since I read a big event. It's pretty exciting although I'm finding it weird because reading Marvel from like the 1990s to 2008, Skrulls were always a joke and then Secret Invasion starts and they are like terrorist attacking the whole world and shit is super violent and dark.

It kind of just seems like a re-tread of Civil War though? Like "you can't trust each other" so the superheroes fight each other. Like...that was Civil War just one event back!

I'm very curious how Disney will adapt this with Sam Jackson as a light disney+ comedy series since uhhhhh, the comic event is very much not that!

 :o

Wow, that's quite the time commitment - I couldn't be bothered with most of those books even when I was actively trying to follow continuity as it was happening, let alone now a bunch of its been retconned away.

Civil War sucks, but some of the spring off books like The Initiative are pretty good; you can probably see how Secret Invasion was of the zeitgeist of the time, what with it being about religious zealots infiltrating in sleeper cells before unleashing a terrorist attack, but it's less about supes vs supes and more about trust in power structures.

Which gets dialled up to 11 in Dark Reign, which is honestly one of the most creatively entertaining periods I've read in Marvel Comics; there's always been a slightly subversive 'distrust authority' element to Marvel, from the X-Men regularly getting government funded sentinels up their ass, to Cap fighting the shadow council and rejecting the title of Captain America, but that was mostly on a book by book basis. To have the entire universe go "Nah, the government are the bad guys" as status quo is pretty great for shaking up all sorts of stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 05, 2022, 11:44:40 PM
https://www.gamesradar.com/tim-drake-robin-dc/

Wonderful little recap article on Timmy.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 07, 2022, 11:59:38 PM
Yeah, looking forward to Dark Reign.

I'm still working through Secret Invasion. Man, these events w/tie-ins are HUGE in terms of the amount of issues. Thought it was gonna be a one or two night kind of read, but it's gonna take me a week or two. I'm still only about midway.

I do think it's hilarious what a huge retcon opportunity thing Secret Invasion is. Any prior event, character death, character change, whatever can be explained by OH THAT WAS ACTUALLY A SKRULL -_-

Always wondered how comics could do huge retcons getting rid of entire events but now I see how.


The Secret Invasion Black Panther tie-in is pretty good. Does a good job showing total badass leader T'Challa vs grizzled "I'm too old for this shit" Skrull military commander.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on February 15, 2022, 09:04:24 PM
USA Amazon has been a shitshow for accessing my video and audio purchases when physically located in Japan. Books and audiobooks have been exempt. Until now: With the merger of Comixology into Kindle, and an update to the Terms-and-Conditions, subscriptions for overseas users are discontinued. I'm worried if I'll be able to download my purchases once they're fully implemented. I loathe the idea that I have to have a VPN to use stuff I've legitimately fucking purchased.

Me, right now, to Amazon:
http://twitter.com/birault_serge/status/1489290025837772802
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 15, 2022, 10:06:39 PM
Fuck Amazon, the DoJ, and the FTC for the successful buyout of Comixology, a once-fantastic service. RIP.

Fuck you Bezos.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 19, 2022, 05:44:57 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/ZwFpbRZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ICr3FbQ.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Borealis on February 19, 2022, 09:32:41 PM
The DRM-Free comics selection is gone :(, get fucked Amazon.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 19, 2022, 09:44:55 PM
Gross.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on February 20, 2022, 10:41:37 AM
Sorry for the ad, but please support Hero Initiative.

It's a great charity, and it's releasing a limited edition trade paperback for JLA-Avengers to honor George Perez, who's dying of cancer.

https://www.heroinitiative.org/hero-initiative-offers-limited-reprint-of-jla-avengers/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on February 24, 2022, 04:38:27 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/25-years-oni-press-books

Any of these comics good? Never heard of any of them outside Scott Pilgrim.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on February 25, 2022, 05:34:13 AM
Queen & Country is really good, especially if you like spy stuff like Spooks / Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy - it's all about the contrasts between the high stakes tradecraft, and the petty bureaucracies and inter departmental rivalries, shabby government offices, and all for a crappy government pension at the end if you're lucky.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 05, 2022, 12:29:20 PM
I like Queen & Country too, no familiarity with what it ripped off so it didn't bother me.

I really like The Damned, it's not worth $25 though, especially since it never got finished and that bundle only has the first book. They restarted it a decade later and tried to extend it as a regular series but that died too.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on March 10, 2022, 12:47:04 AM
http://twitter.com/artofmmignola/status/1501736490841165825
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 10, 2022, 01:57:11 PM
oh shit mike mignola is doing a D-MAN COMIC?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 10, 2022, 02:39:53 PM
New Humble comics bundle has both Rat Queens AND Saga in it soooooooooooo is yeah a pretty good bundle
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2022, 04:16:34 PM
Yeah, I basically never buy Image comics and just wait every year or two for a new bundle to catch up on the series I read. Discount price comic reading ftwww

Here's the link btw:
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/leading-ladies-featuring-saga-monstress-and-more-from-image-books

I read Monstress/Paper Girls/Saga and I was like 2-3 volumes behind each since the last bundle, so this is great for me. Plus a bunch of other stuff to check out.


What's Rat Queens about? The art turns me off and I had an ex into it to the point of annoyance so I never gave it a shot out of bitterness.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 10, 2022, 04:27:48 PM
Wayward is alright.

Paper Girls isn't really that good I don't think.

Monstress might be the best thing ongoing in comics.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 10, 2022, 04:29:46 PM
Paper Girls isn't really that good I don't think.

I liked the first two volumes but I'm pretty big on Vaughn and I find anything he writes enjoyable. No idea if it gets worse as it goes.

I swear I read Wayward many years ago but I don't have it in my digital folder of comics so idk. Might've deleted it for some reason. Will give it a skim and see if it refreshes my memory.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 13, 2022, 04:49:24 AM
Finished Marvel - Secret Invasion - Complete Event. That was really long. Must've been like 50-100 issues. I don't remember Civil War or Disassembled being that big with all the tie-ins.

Like you guys said, the best part were some of the tie-in series about various characters. Some good stuff like there was a good Black Panther story, the Inhumans bit was pretty cool and actually setups the next thing with War of Kings, Ares God of War was solid, enjoyed the Runaways/Young Avengers crossover. The X-men bit was solid too and ended strong. The main event was just ok. It started pretty good but then instead of having any actual plot it's just like Reed Richards lands and is like I have a gun that shows who the Skrulls are -> ok, big battle -> event over.

Anyhow, next up is Dark Reign and War of Kings. Probably gonna take a Marvel break for a bit and read some Image stuff before picking that up.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on March 14, 2022, 01:12:39 AM

(…)
What's Rat Queens about? The art turns me off and I had an ex into it to the point of annoyance so I never gave it a shot out of bitterness.

It’s a female party of adventures her swear and have sex and are violent, so it’s basically like watching somebody’s DND game. I liked the art, didn’t like the writing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on March 16, 2022, 12:35:36 AM
https://gizmodo.com/dc-comics-marvel-pride-month-reveals-1848655053/slides/2

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If you guessed DC was planning the bigger Pride Month celebration and not the publisher whose parent company recently failed to speak out against an awful anti-LGBTQIA+ bill in Florida, congrats.

...

DC Pride: Tim Drake Special

This will collect the recent, fan-favorite stories published in Batman: Urban Legends series, in which the third Boy Wonder embraced his bisexuality and began a romance with his longtime friend Bernard Dowd. Although it’s only a one-shot comic, it’s 64 pages long, and will also include a new story which “sees Tim teaming up with his former Young Justice teammates and the Batgirls!” It’s coming June 14.

🤩

It may all just be corporate virtue signalling but at the end of the day I just like Tim Drake finally evolving after New 52 hard reset him back to mid-teenager. So much growth undone...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on March 16, 2022, 06:44:22 AM
Read Gaiman's Eternals run. Was surprising how close a lot of the movie stuff was. Definitely a lot was changed but the movie is basically an adaptation of this run. Prefer the movie plot/characters tbh, only thing I liked better in the comic is the deviants.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on March 16, 2022, 10:05:57 PM
Read Gaiman's Eternals run. Was surprising how close a lot of the movie stuff was. Definitely a lot was changed but the movie is basically an adaptation of this run. Prefer the movie plot/characters tbh, only thing I liked better in the comic is the deviants.
I liked Gaiman's turn on Miracle Man, after Moore's work. I'd like to re-read those all.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on April 23, 2022, 02:31:46 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/image-comics-30th-anniversary-90s-books

 :doge


Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on April 25, 2022, 09:01:25 PM
Just came to post that, kinda weird that it's only the first book of Astro City. No idea why anyone would buy the two medium five item bundle tiers when the top one gives you tons more issues for only a bit more.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on April 26, 2022, 11:22:37 AM
a lot of recent bundles have been 'default top tier / shit value anything less than top tier'. I guess they're looking to phase out 'lesser' bundles eventually.

:idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Borealis on May 14, 2022, 11:35:39 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/supermassive-heavy-metal-books

Thoughts on this line up?

I've been buying a heap of these DRM-free bundles of late starting with Rebellion's one, one of the few way's now.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on May 27, 2022, 08:38:06 AM
New Humble comics bundle for Top Cow

The only thing I can attest to is that Rising Stars is really good; I'm pretty sure Loeb 'borrowed' liberally for the Tv show Heroes.

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/supermassive-heavy-metal-books

Thoughts on this line up?

I've been buying a heap of these DRM-free bundles of late starting with Rebellion's one, one of the few way's now.

Didn't replay, because I've never read any of them :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on June 07, 2022, 11:56:45 AM
https://screenrant.com/justice-league-new-team-dark-crisis-members/amp/

DC with yet another crisis event.  They killed off the Justice League and are replacing them with some of the younger heroes and some former villains. 

(https://static1.srcdn.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/New-Justice-League.jpg?q=50&fit=crop&w=450&h=642&dpr=1.5)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on June 07, 2022, 02:41:05 PM
So uhhhhh just on a purely pragmatic level, why would you choose to have two supes with the exact same name on the same team?

Did Ted Kord getting a bullet in the fucking head get retconned?  :doge
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 07, 2022, 06:31:45 PM
Isn't this basically 5G? :thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 07, 2022, 08:54:07 PM
Finished Batman Unburied audiobook/audiodrama/podcast

It was ok. It had it's moments but overall I think it was a weak story. I really liked Lance Reddick as Thomas Wayne and Duke Winston was a great Bruce Wayne but I think a terrible Batman. His Batman voice is just ....lol. This version of the Riddler was pretty enjoyable.

Overall it's a very skippable story though. Listening to The Sandman Act II Audiobook it's like 1,000x better.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Poison Ivy felt pretty thrown in. Probably would've been better just to do Hugo Strange.

I liked the Bruce dream stuff in the first two eps and the ending with Bruce & Riddler was good. The middle stuff was pretty meh.
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 07, 2022, 10:49:12 PM
Did Ted Kord getting a bullet in the fucking head get retconned?  :doge
Ted came back during the New 52.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 14, 2022, 11:05:53 AM
Bought my first comic book in several years.

(https://www.dccomics.com/sites/default/files/imce/2022/06-JUN/DCPRIDETDSP_Cv1_00111_DIGITAL_62a2b8a13b4f04.89790317.jpg)

:-[

❤️🧡💛💚💙💜
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on June 16, 2022, 03:49:26 PM
:drudge Tim Drake Swings Into Center Stage With His Own Comic Series (https://gizmodo.com/tim-drake-robin-comic-series-dc-2022-1849070356) :drudge


(https://c.tenor.com/LjTVUzKSJfcAAAAM/oh-yeah.gif)


As I was going through the Pride special I was taken aback by how well the author seemed to nail Tim's voice, and explicitly bringing back a character from his Robin series 20 years ago got me thinking DC *might* be prepping another Tim solo book. Throw Tim's new identity struggles into things and a new solo Tim series just makes too much sense.

I'm so excited. Red Robin remains my favorite comic book run ever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 23, 2022, 03:15:55 PM
Started listening to the Squirrel Girl podcast. Pretty funny.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on June 24, 2022, 08:00:23 AM
Monstress is so good, what an amazing series still. Even if like maybe everything the pacing can be... off.

Also, I didn't know Fables was coming back. It really is 2004 again.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on June 25, 2022, 10:17:23 PM
Yeah, Squirrel Girl The Unbeatable Podcast was great and better than most Marvel TV shows.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2022, 07:16:54 PM
You know, I thought I had the complete Sandman run on my bookshelf backlog, but after finishing The Sandman Act II: Audio Drama (Issues 21-41) I was gonna read #1-41 because a few of the standalone arcs in this run were a bit hard to follow in the audio drama version.

But it turns out I only have the Annotated black & white version of #1-20, and Anno's Sandman GN. Looks like they're all free on Kindle Unlimited though with a 30 day trial so will use that.

Anyhow, in terms of volumes. I really liked Season of Mists which googling best Sandman arcs, seems like the fan favorite story arc of the bunch. Was the opening story arc for this set, so it started off with a bang. It's the lengthy story arc where:

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Lucifer closes down hell and leaves giving Morpheus the key to hell and then gods of all kinds of pantheons come to try to bargain for it. Fantastic range of characters and really fun. Audio drama had awesome performances for everyone like David Tenant as Loki and Michael Sheen as Lucifer, Jeffrey Wright as Destiny, etc...
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After which was Fables & Reflections which were one off tales that usually had about 5 mins of Morpheus showing up at the end. Most of these were great. The Johanna Constantine/French Revolution one was fantastic and I really liked the Augustus one and the Baghdad one. The Marco Pollo one was pretty hard to follow and is one I want to re-read. And the woodsman one was alright.

Now the main downside of this set of The Sandman was like 1/3rd of this Act was the volume A Game of You which is apparently the least fan favorite arc, but Gaiman's favorite. It's an Alice in Wonderland long ass story about Barbie & friends vs The Cuckoo and Morpheus is basically not in it at all. I found it a bit hard to follow, really long, and never particularly interesting. But will give it a re-read in comic form and see if I like it any better.

But damn, Season of Mists was so good. Would be cool if the Netflix adaptation gets that far. Would make a really great season.

Only going to read the comic through what I've listened to. The audio drama adaptation is so good that I don't want to spoil the remainder of the run, especially since Act III is already announced in production and the final Act IV seems a sure thing. Will listen to the whole thing, then read it all. Really good stuff overall, I'm naming my new black gothy male cat Dream after Morpheus.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on July 02, 2022, 07:27:41 PM
Yeah, I have always been baffled by American Gods' success, as it felt like Gaiman just wanted to re-write Season of Mists but without Morpheus.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2022, 07:39:13 PM
Yeah, I have always been baffled by American Gods' success, as it felt like Gaiman just wanted to re-write Season of Mists but without Morpheus.

I mean they're both great. Gaiman does fun stuff with mythology. Though his Norse Mythology book wasn't as good as either of these.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 02, 2022, 07:51:04 PM
Also since this is the comics thread, in my continuing Marvel Unlimited chronological order readings, I started on War of Kings this week and going through it. Kinda fun space war stuff with Black Bolt/Inhumans leading the Kree in space war against Cyclop's crazy brother Vulcan now Emperor of the Shi'Ar & weird ass characters like Darkhawk and Guardians of the Galaxy and Nova and tears in the universe, etc.... Makes me wonder if we'll ever have a full build up of space stuff in MCU for a big space war arc.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 03, 2022, 08:23:30 PM
Yeah, I have always been baffled by American Gods' success, as it felt like Gaiman just wanted to re-write Season of Mists but without Morpheus.

I was thinking some more about Season of Mists today and remembered that after the first part there is this like 2 issue kinda bad interlude where

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To show the consequences of hell being closed on earth there's a boring two issue story about a kid stuck at school/orphanage for the summer and then all the ghosts of the past come back including the headmaster, and then ghost bullies mutilate and kill the kid and he goes to heaven.

Which is both dark and depressing and also boring
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I really like The Sandman so far, but definitely feel like it has its ups and downs occasionally. Feels even more noticeable in audio format since you can't just read fast and get past it.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2022, 06:45:11 PM
If you don't love me at my (https://i.pinimg.com/564x/48/35/88/48358871e2108d029da64c9be38a2265.jpg)

You don't deserve me at my (https://i.imgur.com/sSalptA.jpg)

Soooo excited for Tim Drake: Robin, it's starting right after my birthday and it's the first ongoing I'll be following in like 5 years. :hyper
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 18, 2022, 06:48:53 PM
Doing a backflip out of a helicopter seems reckless even for a DC superhero.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2022, 06:50:53 PM
I realized that was actually Dick (in that absolutely terribad retcon N52 costume I think I mocked in this very thread like 9 years ago...) so I replaced it with one of my favorite covers ever, One Year Later when Tim debuts his distinctive red and black costume. :D Drawn by RLM's own Freddie Williams III (who dapped me on Twitter for dapping the cover).

I've almost gotten that artwork framed (Robin leaping into the sunset) a few times....
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on July 18, 2022, 06:58:50 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/oeqcLNV.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jmnFnNR.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/JCyWrPM.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on July 22, 2022, 04:07:54 PM
Caught up to where I'm at in The Sandman in graphic novel format. Aka finished reading volumes 1-6.

Was good going back through this. Was neat seeing things mentioned/setup real early on become their own stories later. Very coherent run. I liked the Alice in Wonderland cuckoo/barbie arc better in the comic than the audio drama. Was easier to follow a completely different cast in a completely different world. But I liked Seasons of Mists and some of the one-off shorts like Johanna Constantine & Orpheus better in audio drama format where the various VAs and music added a bunch. There were a couple stories that were kinda ehh in both like the Marco Pollo one, but overall they're both great.

Can't say I'm always huge on the art style in the comic though. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's just really ugly. Very 80s style. Not my thing.

Will sub to Netflix next month for the TV adaptation. Expecting it to be pretty bad. But mostly want to see if they end the season on the Sound of Her Wings epilogue and if they do it any justice. That's a really good issue. Kat Dennings kills it so hard in the Audio Drama as Death. I like her little speech at the end of the story about the First Emperor of the United States (great tale) where she tells him she's met lots of emperors in her time but he's her favorite.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 24, 2022, 10:03:48 AM
Can't say I'm always huge on the art style in the comic though. Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's just really ugly. Very 80s style. Not my thing.

Its a weird one, because even though sam keith has co-creator credit he fucking hated the entire thing and didn't want anything to do with it, so he'd bounced by issue 3 and left the inker to do the art.
Which is weird, because The Maxx is pretty good looking, and also not a million miles away from the Dreaming as a concept. A Game Of You especially is hitting some of those same narrative notes.

Of the fill-in artists, I like McManus who has a very recognisable unrealistic style, but that I think really suits the overall dream / reality blend of the series.
Someone like Kelly Jones - I think I've talked about in this thread before - is also extremely stylised, but what looks super cool as a Batman cover with flowing cloaks and taloned gloves and shit doesn't work so well when you're supposed to be looking at a beautiful muse but they're rendered grotesque in their distortions and proportions.
Jill Thompsons lil Dream is iconic, but her regular stuff is only okayish.

I can't remember offhand any of the other fill-ins, but yeah, visually the series is all over the place.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2022, 01:44:58 PM
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on August 23, 2022, 04:52:03 PM
https://youtu.be/R7Jz9GfVOL0

🥰
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 12:06:32 AM
Read some shits:
Jessica Jones (Alias - The Pulse - Jessica Jones): I liked this but I'm still not sure Bendis has ever heard actual human beings talk to each other, his internal monologues are fine but his dialogue often feels like his concept of what people talking to each other must sound like based on his reading of Buffy spec scripts. When aliens invade they're going to ask us to justify our existence with a single task, writing a dialogue, and they're going to pick Bendis to do this and we'll be wiped out. The last series contains an absolutely hilarious extended sequence where Sue Storm explains the wonderfulness that is having children and it may be the worst thing ever put in a Marvel comic book, no, not even Jeph Loeb could have conceived of something so horrific.

Doom Patrol: Weight of the Worlds: I love everything Young Animal did (except Eternity Girl blech) and this was no different. What I love about Way in particular (and Umbrella Academy does the same thing) is that he provides work that to the simple minded would seem "lol so random XD" but is actually intricately plotted in standard narrative forms. On its face you think that it could have just been done linearly and it wasn't done so just for effect but usually it's just because that's the best way for you to have all the information so that when the threads do come together the plot doesn't have to stop to impart that information. You weren't lost, you just didn't know why you needed to know that yet.

Far Sector: Young Animal published this but it's not like all the other stuff in that imprint, this is more of a standard Green Lantern story. A planet with three races forced together and with their emotions stripped has the first murder in thousands of years. Great world building really but two serious problems. First, after looking into the author (who has done well regarded novels like the Inheritance Trilogy) it's pretty clear that the main character is totally a self-insert for her, which makes the character even more lame. Worse though is that the plot completely ruins the world building and you're almost upset that it has a plot at all. So a society with no emotions allowed and three distinct races forced together out of necessity, obviously emotions are introduced and there's a conspiracy with a bad guy. But this winds up overturning the entire society and the book just treats it as fine, good actually, with a new golden age of emotions dawning at the end. WHAT? The book spends a lot of time on how the Green Lantern keeps her emotions and nobody gets this. But you can't inject emotions into a society that's lived without them, had the entire political structure torn apart and whole evil conspiracies exposed and then EVERYBODY IS JUST FINE. I want more Far Sector not because of anything Far Sector did deliberately as a story but because the world was interesting and you just fucked that shit up, NOW WHAT HAPPENS?!? But the last issue just portrays everything as great and the main character totally happy and having found herself. The ending is some serious Lucas going back and shoving in intergalactic celebrations to Return of the Jedi shit.

Wasteland: Really liked this, it has some similarities to East of West in premise but everything else is pretty different. Unlike Far Sector it actually took time to grapple with the changes it was introducing into these established societies but wouldn't be able to keep telling the stories of. If I had to complain the reveal is kinda dopey, you can telegraph it from like the second piece of evidence and it's not pulled off well enough to justify using it as the explanation. I know you have to have the explanation a lot of times but this might have been better had it never actually been explained. Part of it is that some of the characters react to learning the truth but it's totally rushed and can't give it the weight you'd want. A bigger complaint is that some of the art is pretty bad. If you're going to do a black and white comic I'm going to have to beg you not to draw multiple characters who look the same, I don't care that it's more realistic to have the characters with similar hair styles and facial hair, I need you to mix them up if you're not going to name the character so I think it's some other dude whose done similar things and it turns out to be this other dude who him doing that thing is like really important and out of the ordinary. I actually wouldn't have minded much if this series had done the Walking Dead thing of refusing to explain and then going on for another forty issues to introduce other aspects of the world. There's actually a really fun late game tease, that I'm not sure was supposed to be a tease but is the first time you actually get something beyond just references, about the other major society in the immediate world that I really would have liked learning about how they react to the events in the part of the world we did learn about.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on September 15, 2022, 11:10:54 AM
I don't keep up with DC at all anymore- they are doing another Crisis and adding even more multiverse shit...AGAIN?!

:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 15, 2022, 01:28:53 PM
Read some shits:
Jessica Jones (Alias - The Pulse - Jessica Jones): I liked this but I'm still not sure Bendis has ever heard actual human beings talk to each other, his internal monologues are fine but his dialogue often feels like his concept of what people talking to each other must sound like based on his reading of Buffy spec scripts. When aliens invade they're going to ask us to justify our existence with a single task, writing a dialogue, and they're going to pick Bendis to do this and we'll be wiped out. The last series contains an absolutely hilarious extended sequence where Sue Storm explains the wonderfulness that is having children and it may be the worst thing ever put in a Marvel comic book, no, not even Jeph Loeb could have conceived of something so horrific.

One thing I remember reading it at the time that I thought was legitimately pretty cool and that you don't see happen that often, was that Alias was coming out concurrently with his (really good!) Daredevil run, and there are a couple of scenes that are in both books from each characters different perspective.

I also think it's really funny (although I think this is from New Avengers rather than from Alias) that Jessica Jones and Peter Parker both went to the same high school, and Jessica Jones was an even bigger loser than Peter Parker was, and had a massive crush on him and he didn't even know she existed
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 01:38:30 PM
I don't keep up with DC at all anymore- they are doing another Crisis and adding even more multiverse shit...AGAIN?!

:dead
No, this is just the continuing fallout from when they made everything canon a few years ago, now they're bringing back stuff that got previously shunted out of the canon with the first Crisis.

I also think it's really funny (although I think this is from New Avengers rather than from Alias) that Jessica Jones and Peter Parker both went to the same high school, and Jessica Jones was an even bigger loser than Peter Parker was, and had a massive crush on him and he didn't even know she existed
This was in one of the issues I read, forget which. I also discovered that it's the source for the meme image of the girl masturbating, Jessica was masturbating to a picture of Johnny Storm. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 15, 2022, 02:06:12 PM
I just checked and he redid the bit in New Avengers and its hilariously awkward. This is one of the reasons I can't get on the Fuck Bendis train  :lol

https://comicnewbies.com/2015/11/07/jessica-jones-had-a-crush-on-peter-parker/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2022, 02:11:38 PM
""""""""""Final"""""""""" Crisis

:crowdlaff even at the time

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infinite Crisis still Best Crisis
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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 02:15:57 PM
""""""""""Final"""""""""" Crisis

:crowdlaff even at the time
It's the last one I recognize. :hmph
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 15, 2022, 02:19:15 PM
I found Infinite Crisis really disapointing, because it was basically a reheat of Seven Soldiers (which itself was something of a reheat of Rock of Ages, which itself was something of a riff on Zenith Phase III...)

I've probably just read too much G-Moz at this point, that I can see the wells he likes going to.

e: wait, or am I mixing it up with final crisis? Because I am always mixing them up in my head
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 15, 2022, 02:30:36 PM
Infinite Crisis is Superboy Prime punching reality into a multiverse, Final Crisis is Darkseid winning.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 15, 2022, 04:15:10 PM
IC had cooler themes.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 18, 2022, 07:40:42 PM
The Fuse: From the writer of Wasteland, it's homicide detectives on a space station. Good I guess, kinda wish some of the information about the station was more clear, I get that you're supposed to come into the world as if it already exists but there was some stuff I wanted to know like exactly how big it's supposed to be. At times they indicate it's pretty damn big but then they're hopping around the place like it's nothing. Also making clear where things are in relation to others was kinda a sticking point for me.

Green Lantern: Earth One: This is one of the more creative Earth One reinventions, it's closer to the Teen Titans one versus the Superman/Batman/Wonder Woman ones that are just really slight variations on the known characters. Made me appreciate even more how much Grant Morrison botched the Wonder Woman series of these.

Scarlett: Bendis didn't finish this forever so the fact that it was finally collected and he apparently finished it led me to reread the thing from the start. I like aspects of this but some of it is just silly rather than a logical extension of events. The final "twist" is hilariously stupid, glad Bendis was sitting on that for so long. Also amusing because it's another one of those alternate world stories where the story took so long to tell that the real world has somewhat left it behind tech wise. Bendis tried to somewhat account for the modern smartphone as he went on but it also makes many of the events unlikely to have occurred. (Also when the military cuts off the city of Portland they neglect to do anything about the cell towers lol)

We Only Find Them When They're Dead (ongoing): This is kinda fun, though I somewhat wonder if the eventual explanation for everything will retroactively ruin it. Currently the writer seems fine with skipping ahead and leaving some of the details to never be told. That said, there's really got to be better twists to write into the plot rather than revealing almost everyone is double crossing everyone else and secretly a spy of some kind. :lol

Joker/Harley: Criminal Sanity: lmao why were people praising this so much? It's unintentionally hilarious.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 25, 2022, 01:03:54 AM
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1604384213i/53188794.jpg)

Lois Lane takes on the Trump Administration!

Wait, wait, don't go... that's not entirely true, it's just the framing (KIDS IN CAGES) but since it's Greg Rucka that's not everything, it's got like assassins and spies and stuff. Also Renee is the second main character. And Checkmate is involved, plus the Religion of Crime stuff, plus Clark, Jon and Bruce are in it too obviously. It's a fun story it's just unfortunate that the whole big secret thing Lois is supposedly working on is exposing public knowledge about Donald Trump while all the side stuff is the actual fun DC Universe/pre-Flashpoint stuff.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on September 25, 2022, 08:06:23 AM
I can't help but feel after you've made Lex Luthor your in-universe president, you've shifted the overton window so far that you've kind of painted yourself into a corner regarding doing real world political commentary.

"He's putting people in cages? But like, regular sized cages in this dimension, right? Not shrunk down inside a bottle to serve as a slave race for an Alien AI? Or abandoned in a parallel universe hellworld battle royale? What's the big deal then?"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on September 25, 2022, 09:41:28 AM
Greg Rucka :larry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on September 27, 2022, 10:51:15 PM
Great Moments in Comic Dialogue History:
(https://i.imgur.com/TYK1X8c.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/yp5cRyI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/GPdVNQY.png)
Title: This has new meaning post-Urban Legends #6
Post by: Tasty on September 27, 2022, 10:54:45 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/eeekzUu.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on September 28, 2022, 04:45:24 PM
Sandman Act III audio drama dropping today (supposedly it's dropped but it's not showing up on Audible).
Covers Vols 7 & 8

Just need Act IV confirmed (I'm sure it will happen) to finish off the series with vol 9 & 10. Hopefully sometime 2023.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 12, 2022, 07:28:01 PM
(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1457368232l/26067592._SY475_.jpg)(https://i.gr-assets.com/images/S/compressed.photo.goodreads.com/books/1520151841l/29633087._SY475_.jpg)

I liked this, really my only complaint was that it was obvious from the start that the guy he meets and starts to date was obviously going to be a bad guy or have ties to them. I should have guessed the specifics though because in retrospect it was an obvious choice. I still think The Omega Men is probably tops from that awkward era of DC where they had basically given up on the New 52 but this was pretty good still.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on October 13, 2022, 01:28:46 PM
Its kind of surprising how much mileage The Midnighters gotten out of essentially being a Batman expy way back in Stormwatch.

He has a pretty good cameo in Stormwatch: Team Achilles just talking man to man with the dude who beat the shit out of him a couple of issues before, also of course

(https://i.imgur.com/81NV2km.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 13, 2022, 04:01:46 PM
New 52 Midnighter was gay AF and that kinda set him apart. He also flirted with Dick a lot in King's excellent Grayson series.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 13, 2022, 06:28:12 PM
Dick teams up with him for a couple issues in this and Spyral is throughout the series. Midnighter handcuffs Dick to him.

The one thing I don't really like about Midnighter is that his fight supercomputer thing doesn't really make sense. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Polident Hive on October 13, 2022, 10:27:38 PM
There’s that well known panel of Midnighter recognizing Dick from his buttocks. With the ears and suit cropped out, everybody mistakes it as Batman saying it.

Its kind of surprising how much mileage The Midnighters gotten out of essentially being a Batman expy way back in Stormwatch.

In a case of art imitating…art, Midnighter got somewhat popular but nobody cares about Apollo.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 14, 2022, 12:20:27 AM
Btw Tim Drake: Robin #1 kicks things off with an... atypical art style. Feels like I'm reading a French comic almost.

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjR0WbgdHyVD2yq1P57Hdxffd9Vtnsm6aNLAR2b0yvrmEJxHSEaK-uXwrNLyUVMGpl0sk58kXKtYe3jzMfEYT1wxiA-hN6iVaPsfdiy6Yc-Jc_qOnik1DcHbpAk3qDSjgVi-DSGt6KI_kDHxOh86ozOENuGXZSY2T8sN8wZVA3KJ1TI3v6w3QNCJSXR/s3056/Tim-Drake-Robin-1-9.jpg)

It was a shock at first but I'm getting used to it. My big complaint is Tim Doesn't look like Tim, especially with some slicked-down buzz cut.

The writers finally realized fans liked the idea of Tim being queer, when will they also realize a big part of that was his beautiful flowing locks?? Dick has his booty, Tim has his hair, and that's law in fan circles.

(https://i.imgur.com/anThUub.png)

But now I'm just fanboying over Marcus To's art again...




All in all I'm happy Tim's got his own series again. It's surreal seeing the successor to a comic I read when I was figuring myself out in my early teenage years. The '93-'09 Robin series obviously had a huge impact on me, and Tim became my favorite comic char of all time during this period of self-discovery.

To see Tim Drake in a canon DC comic navigate gay romance may be pandering, yes, but I can't help but smile a little.

For me, Tim Drake has somehow come full circle, and I'm excited about comics again. Now if DC would just let him progress to adulthood (again) and have it stick this time...
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on October 16, 2022, 12:43:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/fcxKhcQ.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on October 16, 2022, 02:56:41 AM
The ceiling obviously, you mustache-sporting doofus.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 06, 2022, 04:18:08 PM
Been reading some Marvel 2099 stuff, picked it almost randomly and followed on from there. Some of it is really bad 1990's writing (dialogue is particularly awful at times, editing is pretty lax at times and sometimes the dialogue bubbles go to the wrong people) and art but other stuff is pretty interesting world building. I like how all the aspects of the different series basically crossover with each other so it's more of one big world onion being unpeeled. I know later on Warren Ellis comes in but I'm not sure how far in that is or what other big names from Peter David are involved. It's still already pretty good early on at hooking me with hinting at stuff already existing in the ongoing world that will get explained as we go like mentioning some CEO guy and then he's a key character in a later book. Absolute funniest part is people talking about downloading MEGABYTES of data and having GIGABYTES of storage. Yeah, it was 1994 but it still feels like they should have bumped it a few more times even back then since this was supposed to be over a century later. Some of the other tech guesses don't seem as dated ("cyberspace" is both sorta accurate to our internet and weirdly seems like inspiration for what the Metaverse wants to be while also sometimes still requiring 1990 style phone devices) and are more plausible century worth of continuing advances but it's endlessly funny when Doctor Doom is all "too late, I accessed ALL 500 MEGABTYES OF DATA!" on the servers of some giant megacorporation that runs the planet. Don't worry, he's got 20 GIGS on his fridge sized computer that looks like ten Macintosh Quadra's cabled together so he can raid another 39 megacorps before he'll need to backup things to the SIM Card in my phone. There also seems to be an unclear state between using CDs or 3.5 inch floppy disks for removable storage.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 06, 2022, 06:48:02 PM
Dunno if it was just my preference for DC, but Marvel had like the worst style in the 00s. Ultimate was cool tho.

Then the New 52 hit and lordy, that took the crown for some of the worst art I've seen in a major ongoing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 07, 2022, 08:31:58 AM
Dunno if it was just my preference for DC, but Marvel had like the worst style in the 00s. Ultimate was cool tho.

Then the New 52 hit and lordy, that took the crown for some of the worst art I've seen in a major ongoing.

I don't like a lot of the art on comics from both DC and Marvel nowadays, but when I go back and look at stuff from the 90s, a lot of it is awful pin-up art-like garbage, so rose-tinted glasses and all that, I guess.

Btw Tim Drake: Robin #1 kicks things off with an... atypical art style. Feels like I'm reading a French comic almost.

(https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEjR0WbgdHyVD2yq1P57Hdxffd9Vtnsm6aNLAR2b0yvrmEJxHSEaK-uXwrNLyUVMGpl0sk58kXKtYe3jzMfEYT1wxiA-hN6iVaPsfdiy6Yc-Jc_qOnik1DcHbpAk3qDSjgVi-DSGt6KI_kDHxOh86ozOENuGXZSY2T8sN8wZVA3KJ1TI3v6w3QNCJSXR/s3056/Tim-Drake-Robin-1-9.jpg)

It was a shock at first but I'm getting used to it. My big complaint is Tim Doesn't look like Tim, especially with some slicked-down buzz cut.

The writers finally realized fans liked the idea of Tim being queer, when will they also realize a big part of that was his beautiful flowing locks?? Dick has his booty, Tim has his hair, and that's law in fan circles.

(https://i.imgur.com/anThUub.png)

But now I'm just fanboying over Marcus To's art again...

I don't think this is bad, but it just doesn't fit a 'serious' superhero comic.  When I look at the bottom panel, I don't see Tim Drake- I see someone trying to draw a character from Akira.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 07, 2022, 12:11:06 PM
Oh the 90s were awful too, no question.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on November 07, 2022, 12:27:19 PM
I just noticed I referred to the character as "Time Drake."  Time-traveling Robin would be a pretty fun read.
:thinking
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on November 07, 2022, 12:47:59 PM
I guess I'm a basic bitch because I like the later silver age 'house styles', as exemplified by John Romita Sr and John Buscema for Marvel and Neal Adams and George Perez for DC :idont
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on November 10, 2022, 02:28:17 PM
Is Terry Moore stuff any good? Never heard of him.

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/black-friday-encore-ultimate-terry-moore-collection-abstract-studios-books
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Bebpo on November 11, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
Is Terry Moore stuff any good? Never heard of him.

https://www.humblebundle.com/books/black-friday-encore-ultimate-terry-moore-collection-abstract-studios-books

Looked them up and people seem to like these. Picked up the bundle and the quality of the scans are VERY high, which is nice since some of the comic bundles have been unreadable trash like the BOOM comics published bundle.

But huge files and PDF only. Like 250-500MB per volume and the 25th anniversary sketch book is a 2gb pdf that my PC can't even open lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on November 20, 2022, 11:41:07 PM
https://www.dc.com/blog/2022/09/27/robin-refreshed-meghan-fitzmartin-on-tim-drakes-new-status-quo

Fitzgerald saying the right things... and some wrong things.

First, the right:

Quote
Tim has been living on a boat—he's got his own place. We've not seen a marina in Gotham, but it makes sense that there would be a marina because it's surrounded by water.

...

It was really fun when I was talking to my editor about coming up with this marina space. It's fun to explore a different part of Gotham with Tim and making this space his own.

Just like Buffy Season 11 moving to San Fran, I'm totally in support of moving into the future and carving a new era distinct from what came from before. Nostalgia is awesome sometimes, but the only way to keep something alive is to embrace change. Tim getting his own corner to operate in reflects Nightwing going to Bludhaven in the 90s. I approve.

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Which version of Tim’s backstory are we using? The New 52 established that his parents were alive in the witness protection program, but it seems like we’re going back to him being an orphan. What’s the status of Tim’s parents?

They're not alive. We have enough history with the parents. They are no longer with us, and he is adopted by Bruce. That is the timeline at present.

FUCK YES

Undo that garbage shit Scott Lobdell introduced and bring us back to pre-New 52 canon. Hopefully that dumbass idea that "Drake" is just an assumed fake last name because he's in witness protection has been thrown in the trash compactor as well.

YES

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We’re not doing the drama of “you left our date to fight crime” or other stuff we see from teenage heroes?

Exactly! We're not doing that. I think Bernard is a very understanding person who is like, "This is fine, whatever, I trust you, I love you, whatever this is, I'm fine with it." I think Tim is more like, "WHAT?! What does that mean? Does he hate me?" And Bernard is like, "At no point did I say any of those words."

This is totally refreshing and I love to see it. Moving on past cliche is a good intention.

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You mentioned new enemies. What kind of enemies are we talking about?

Tim Drake at his core is a detective. Every detective needs a Moriarty. I think that's sort of what we're going for right now.

This would be amazing. Pre-New 52 was setting up Anarky III (or possibly Ra's Al Ghul, although he'd never be "demoted" by DC brass away from Bruce IMO) as that role, but I honestly would love someone new, someone interesting, someone with a cool gimmick. Someone that's the opposite to Tim.

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What are the dynamics of sharing the Robin name with Damian?

Damian is living his best life. Well, it's not his best life. He's living his life right now and it is a disaster in a different way than Tim's is a disaster. I think that's part of the question that Tim is currently facing—he's the Robin who's held the title for the longest, so what does that mean for him? What are the next steps for him? Are there next steps for him? Should he stay or should he go, like the way that the song goes?

It is a question I think that he is having to face with himself. And that's part of the identity search that I think he's going through. Now that I have realized these pieces of who I am, how do I move forward? What do I do now? I think that is the core of this particular run of Tim Drake. I have some ideas on where I want to take it, but ultimately, I'm very feelings-led and I'm very Tim-led. And so, part of that is just feeling out what Tim wants and how he's going to get there.

STRONG hints of Tim finally graduating from Robin (in the new continuity) and assuming a new identity of his own creation. As long as it's better than that brown shitstain "Drake" shit that Bendis introduced before it was killed for being stupid five seconds later, I'm all for it.



OK, and now the bad:

Quote
Tim WOULD live on a boat.

I know, it's actually kind of perfect. This is sort of pulled from life because sometimes I live on a boat.

"Write what you know" but I worry Meghan is doing a self-insert expy at times.

Quote
Going through his appearances during the Bill Willingham Robin run, I was surprised to see all the hints to Bernard’s sexuality…

Like I said, there's so much that you can go back to and go, "Oh, okay, that's why."

…like in Robin #122 Bernard threatens to sneak into Tim’s room at night to bound and gag him.

He was in a pain cult...so I mean...

Continuity!

This is just weird and creepy. Wtf.

Quote
How does Bernard fit into this new present, and what kind of relationship will he and Tim have?

I mean, every hero needs a damsel and Bernard is a perfect damsel. I definitely want to have Bernard around. I think it's important for him to be around.

I was hoping we'd moved past the "damsel" cliche for the most part. There's no reason Bernard can't be an interesting character on his own and not just a walking character growth contrivance.

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During the DC Pride: Tim Drake Special #1 there is a moment where Tim and Conner Kent are holding hands. So, the question is, are you trying to electrocute Twitter?

(laughs) I mean, who doesn't love setting a fire under Twitter? That's definitely something that I've heard about and am aware of and it will be more of a discussion point in later issues of certain comic brands that are happening right now.

Ugh, Twitter pandering. 🙄
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on November 20, 2022, 11:48:05 PM
Pretty sure I've seen a marina/port in Gotham before. Bruce fought Bane there when he was going to nuke Gotham, the Batwoman non-conclusion takes place in the port, etc.

Oh, well, at least they did the research for that pain cult bound and gagging a teenager thing.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 01, 2022, 11:20:56 PM
I wish they would list what the volumes collect or note if it's all the available volumes because stuff like Revival vol 1-8 or Zeros vol 1-4 means nothing to me: https://www.humblebundle.com/books/image-comics-30th-anniversary-10s-books
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Pay at least $1 for these 3 items
Copra Round 1
Shirtless Bear-Fighter!
Super Dinosaur Vol. 1

Pay at least $15 for these 18 items
AD: After Death
Alex + Ada Vols. 1-3
Happy!: Collected Edition
I Hate Fairyland Vols. 1-4
Injection Vols. 1-3
Isola Vols. 1-2
Killadelphia Vols.1-2
Luther Strode Vols. 1-3
Man-Eaters Vol. 1
Moonstruck Vols. 1-3
Motor Crush Vols. 1-2
Revival Vols. 1-8
Sex Vols.1-6
The Autumnlands Vols. 1-2
Zero Vols.1-4

Pay at least $25 for these 28 items
Saga Vols. 1-9
Curse Words Vols. 1-5
Ice Cream Man Vols. 1-5
Nailbiter Vols. 1-8
Sex Criminals Vols. 1-6
SPAWN 202-326
WITCHBLADE 154-185
SAVAGE DRAGON 179-262
Sea of Stars Vol. 1: Lost In The Wild Heavens
In the case of Saga this is all the pre-hiatus volumes, there is only one more collecting it since it came back this year. But some of these bundles (not necessarily Image ones) have in the past only included like half of the collected volumes even when they're quite old. (And never put the rest in another, later, bundle even.) I don't want to look up all this shit or buy it for other stuff, like one of the throwins after reading and find out it's not all of it.

Also, getting stuff like Spawn issues 200+ or Witchblade 150+ when I would have had to have bought those other Image bundles to get started with the franchises makes me less interested in the higher tier even if it's the clearly better deal like always. If you had told me Spawn ended before 200 issues I would have believed you.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Borealis on December 02, 2022, 02:05:27 AM
Forgotten what volume of Ice Cream Man I'm up to.

Also really dislike Savage Dragon and Spawn being distributed by issue in these Image bundles.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on December 02, 2022, 02:31:26 AM
Also really dislike Savage Dragon and Spawn being distributed by issue in these Image bundles.
So there will be like 100 individual issues to download for Spawn? Last I knew you couldn't batch download only certain parts of these. :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Borealis on December 08, 2022, 04:24:23 AM
Also really dislike Savage Dragon and Spawn being distributed by issue in these Image bundles.
So there will be like 100 individual issues to download for Spawn? Last I knew you couldn't batch download only certain parts of these. :lol

Yup. The batch download feature is such a mess in general as well.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2022, 04:02:42 PM
https://www.cbr.com/batman-reveals-tim-drake-surpasses-dick-grayson-jason-todd/

https://screenrant.com/dc-takes-side-endless-best-robin-debate-tim-drake-comparison-batman/

(https://i.imgur.com/OZwMI.gif)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 22, 2022, 04:10:21 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/TOb6e84.jpg)

👑
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on December 28, 2022, 11:45:25 AM


John Stossel weighs in. And I did not know about MODAAK.

https://nypost.com/2022/12/27/woke-comic-books-are-laughable-money-losers-but-dc-marvel-push-them/

I think there's something to be said about storytelling vs. pushing agendas. But I'm not going to storm that particular Bunker (or Breed's) Hill.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on December 28, 2022, 12:35:53 PM
If pandering is what gets me Tim Drake's first starring ongoing in over 11 years, then pander away.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2023, 06:17:07 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1620837262232780800

I did not expect sensibility to win out.

I'm confident James is going to be sensible here.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on February 02, 2023, 06:31:54 PM
I like that it's a dig at Elon's recent performative bullshit.

So far I've enjoyed James Gunn's oeuvre. I wasn't super sold on GOTG2, but it's still watchable. His re-take on Suicide Squad is a ton of fun.

Also: Trunks, FTW.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on February 02, 2023, 07:16:19 PM
NOT GOING TO DECIDE BASED ON A TWITTER POLL?!?!? THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEMOCRACY JAMES :rage
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Tasty on February 02, 2023, 07:19:08 PM
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1621064696148418560

:lol :dunno :phil
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 01, 2023, 01:29:22 AM
Come back Tasty, look at these stupid jackets:
(https://i.imgur.com/mZVrwwl.png)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 08, 2023, 07:12:53 PM
Alright benji, I bought the Dark Nights: Metal Omnibus from Amazon (there was a $20 off coupon, I couldn't afford not to!!!). I heard they destroy the Source Wall or some shit in this. I'm ready, put me back in the Multiverse.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
(https://i.imgur.com/LkB2exs.jpg)
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2023, 10:47:38 PM
I read Multiversity, it was great. I didn't realize that (a) it was basically a sequel to Final Crisis, and (b) that it has a full page spread of Hitler taking a dump. What a Grant Morrison ass comic. :rejoice I also read Convergence which was a big meh. Seems like it was written to be a setup for more multiverse shenanigans instead of a good story. I didn't read the billion tie-in issues that I guess are all the individual fights between the timelines, not sure if that adds anything or not (but I suspect not).

Shifting gears to non-capeshit, I also read The Nice House on the Lake that I saw recommended somewhere. Cosmic horror meets the existential dread of being at a never-ending party at the end of the world with people you don't really know. This is what I imagine I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream would be if AM was just a really nice guy that wanted to have a beer with you. A good comic.

(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/I/41JjHo+0VkS._AC_SX500_.jpg) (https://m.media-amazon.com/images/W/IMAGERENDERING_521856-T1/images/I/41Xrd4woHZL._AC_SX500_.jpg)

Next up, Dark Nights: Metal.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 15, 2023, 12:08:35 AM
The Multiversity stuff is revisited in Infinite Frontier/Justice League Incarnate but unfortunately Morrison had nothing to do with it so The Empty Hand and The Gentry gets massively downgraded from Cosmic Eldritch Horror to lameo sidekick to something that's maybe not even bad or whatever.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 15, 2023, 03:00:29 AM
Yeah, I saw there was a Justice League Incarnate series but that it wasn’t by Morrison. I might check it out anyway for more President Barack Kent. What I’d really like to see though is a continuation of the Uberman plot line, a Superman wracked with guilt over a teensy bit of ethnic cleansing he did back in the 50’s.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 18, 2023, 12:13:52 PM
Why is Darkseid a baby? :lol
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 18, 2023, 12:16:46 PM
Darkseid War ended with him reduced to a baby!

Baby Darkseid omega beams somebody at some point if IIRC. There's a teenage Darkseid for way too short of period of time in a few issues of something. :lol

Justice League Odyssey (which I quite liked) is about him trying to restore himself to his full adult power.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: team filler on March 19, 2023, 03:02:06 PM
darkseid going through puberty  :mjcry
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 22, 2023, 12:06:19 PM
Just been reading a few issues a night so I haven't finished it yet, but Metal is pretty good. I had to google why Plastic Man was an egg now, but apparently this is his first post-Rebirth appearance and we're just not supposed to know why he's an egg yet.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 12:12:35 AM
Marvel's bringing back the Ultimate Universe apparently?
Quote from: https://www.marvel.com/articles/comics/ultimate-invasion-jonathan-hickman-bryan-hitch-transformation-marvel-universe-begins
Just announced at Entertainment Weekly, two of the comic book industry’s most innovative and exciting creators are teaming up to reshape the Marvel Universe as you know it! This June, join writer Jonathan Hickman and artist Bryan Hitch in ULTIMATE INVASION, a revolutionary four-issue saga that presents a surprising new chapter for Ultimate Comics and bold new strides for Marvel’s iconic heroes.

Launched over twenty years ago, the Ultimate Universe provided a contemporary take on classic Marvel characters and storylines. Known for its edginess and explosive action, the Ultimate Universe was home to some of Marvel’s most talked about and thought-provoking series of the 21st century. The Ultimate Universe reached its cataclysmic end in 2015’s SECRET WARS, but nothing stays buried in Marvel Comics for long. Is it time for the Ultimate Universe to make its grand return? The Maker seems to think so, and the Illuminati must form once again to stop him from his plans to destroy—or perhaps rebuild—the universe, with Miles Morales at the center of it all!
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on March 30, 2023, 08:29:46 PM
It's funny because they already brought it back.  I forget which storyline it was but there was a quick glimpse of it with some added characters like Iron Heart.

Maybe this will be a way to move Miles back into his own universe?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 30, 2023, 08:38:51 PM
Oh, I also forgot The Maker was in that one Ultimates arc and it implied 1610 still existed in a way that it could be brought back. After looking apparently he's already recreated the universe in some Venom storyline.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: D3RANG3D on May 10, 2023, 07:57:29 PM
https://titan-comics.com/news/download-the-conan-the-barbarian-fcbd-comic/
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on May 15, 2023, 02:33:17 AM
Visited my old haunt comic store from my college days, Atlantis Fantasybooks in Santa Cruz. I've been going there since they were in the old garage at the south end of Pacific Garden Mall, where it's shown in The Lost Boys.

I picked up several trade paperbacks, including:

I've only read Ronin II so far, the first two issues. It's the only non-TPB format I bought. I'm really disappointed. There are several splash pages, I believe meant to hammer home the "epic" nature of the story, but Miller's doing so much bombastic paneling that nothing really seems outstanding. He's having his paneling finished by Tan, whose art is overly ornate. The rough, dynamic style worked in the first installment so many years ago, but Tan's filigree work (down to overly rendered eyelashes) is just visually tiring when paired with Miller's broad-strokes style.

These are prestige priced books with about 10 pp. of actual content in them.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 15, 2023, 03:09:14 AM
I unironically love Gerard Way's Doom Patrol.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on May 16, 2023, 10:54:32 PM
"Lousy fans" ruined the latest shocking Spider-Man story, Dan Slott said.

This was the shocking event Marvel's editors and PR machine couldn't stop shouting was going to make readers hate the creators on the book.

https://twitter.com/DanSlott/status/1658525080119279626
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on May 16, 2023, 11:07:48 PM
I haven't been keeping up, but
spoiler (click to show/hide)
Ms. Marvel being killed off in a Spider-Man book
[close]
, when a movie with the character is coming soon, is such an odd decision to make.  But then they did the same thing with Dr. Strange.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on May 16, 2023, 11:40:24 PM
"Lousy fans" ruined the latest shocking Spider-Man story, Dan Slott said.

This was the shocking event Marvel's editors and PR machine couldn't stop shouting was going to make readers hate the creators on the book.

twitter.com/DanSlott/status/1658525080119279626
Consumers should not warn others to avoid bad purchases?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Sideshow Raheem on May 17, 2023, 10:47:57 AM
"Lousy fans" ruined the latest shocking Spider-Man story, Dan Slott said.

This was the shocking event Marvel's editors and PR machine couldn't stop shouting was going to make readers hate the creators on the book.

twitter.com/DanSlott/status/1658525080119279626
Consumers should not warn others to avoid bad purchases?

Consumers exist to feed the hype machine.

EDIT:

Also...

Only tangentially related, but who was the resetera/neogaf comic expert who claimed One More Day was J. Michael Straczynski's idea?

I vaguely remember his response to the sum total of Straczynski's Spider-Man efforts to reunite Peter and Mary-Jane over the course of maybe 50 issues as something in the area of "Nuh-uh!"
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on May 18, 2023, 03:09:32 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/books/leading-ladies-featuring-saga-monstress-and-more-from-image-books-encore

pretty good bundle
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2023, 01:04:18 AM
Holy crap, Hawkgirl #1 is utter crap. it starts out fine and then all of a sudden there's weird blue haired bimbo and then there's a lesbian and then it ends with blue hair girl being lesbians with some chick. And of course Hawkgirl sees her olld college roommate and she's a tattooed up divorcee that's now a lesbian who claims she might not actually be a woman with a political protest wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt in the next panel. Good Lord, endless gay leftist agenda stuff in these books. Communists ruin art. I won't be getting anymore Hawkgirl. Taking this book back to the comic shop and getting something else.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2023, 01:45:01 AM
This weeks haul.

(https://i.imgur.com/53TBiKZ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xtyorgT.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iGcM0wU.jpg)

Review:

TMNT Last Ronin: Lost Day Special - Super good stuff.

TMNT Last Ronin Lost Years #4 - Already read. Super rad.

Hawkgirl #1 - leftist propaganda meant to destroy the family.

Blade #1 - Absolutely incredible. Look at this shit.

The perfect thing to cleanse my eyes of Hawkgirl.

(https://i.imgur.com/0cxSrJ1.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/DKN0sok.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/gatALcH.png)

Marvel sucks balls besides a few books but the ones that are good (Daredevil, Blade) are really good. DC, Image, and IDW are KILLING IT.

I'll get to the rest tomorrow.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2023, 01:45:02 AM
Holy crap, Hawkgirl #1 is utter crap. it starts out fine and then all of a sudden there's weird blue haired bimbo and then there's a lesbian and then it ends with blue hair girl being lesbians with some chick. And of course Hawkgirl sees her olld college roommate and she's a tattooed up divorcee that's now a lesbian who claims she might not actually be a woman with a political protest wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt in the next panel. Good Lord, endless gay leftist agenda stuff in these books. Communists ruin art. I won't be getting anymore Hawkgirl. Taking this book back to the comic shop and getting something else.
Should have looked up the author before buying, it was never going to be anything else breh:
https://twitter.com/planetx/status/1685070568251355137

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLGcsWpRMiQ

Quote from: https://www.comicsbeat.com/interview-jadzia-axelrod-jess-taylor-on-galaxy-the-prettiest-star/
KAPLAN: One aspect of the experience of being a trans woman or a trans girl that I haven’t seen touched on very often (in the few examples of media that feature us) is hypervisibility. Was it important to include this aspect of the trans woman experience in Galaxy: the Prettiest Star?

AXELROD: I transitioned in my 30s, so I was not a trans teenager. I did a lot of research into trans teenagers’ personal narratives, watched a lot of YouTube videos of people talking about their experiences. One thing that came up again and again, is that hypervisibility of shifting from being someone no one noticed, perhaps even because you try to keep from being noticed because you’re uncomfortable in your skin, to being someone that everyone can see and everyone can look at and point at and that that’s extremely difficult.

...

AXELROD: Yes, it’s been really incredible. One thing that was really important to me writing it was that it be unapologetically queer and unapologetically trans and to not have any qualifiers with that. To not present being trans as negative, but also not to present being trans as neutral. To not show it as something that it’s just like being cis because it’s not.

I wanted to show being trans is beautiful. I wanted to show being queer is beautiful and how queer love is transformative. We don’t get to see trans being beautiful. We see beautiful trans people.

We don’t see media so often, even if we have beautiful trans actors playing these roles, being trans is something that is never shown as something that is glorious and I really wanted to do that. That, I think more than anything, is what people are responding to. We were so starved for that, not just representation, but celebration.

...

AXELROD: Yes. That was the impetus in a very real way because as I said I didn’t transition until my 30s, and part of that was I’ve read old journals of myself when I was a teenager. There was definitely gender questions in there, but the representation of trans people in media was not something that resonated with me because it was all done by cis people. We were always a joke or something tragic or a big narrative trope – which is less now, which is great, but certainly then – was this idea that a trans woman is a failed man.

I had too much success at being a boy to be a girl. Part of that was I was working so hard to be a boy. The struggle was real. I really wanted to create an antidote to that and to help out the eggs who might be reading it and say, “you don’t have to fit in a specific box in order to feel this way.” These are just feelings and again, that’s where the sci-fi metaphor really, I think shines.

https://www.jaredaxelrod.com/
(https://www.jaredaxelrod.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Website8-768x768.jpg)
Quote
Jadzia Axelrod (also known as Jared Axelrod) is an author, an illustrator, and a world changer. Through out her eventful life she has also been a circus performer, a puppeteer, a graphic designer, a sculptor, a costume designer, a podcaster and quite a few other things that she’s lost track of but will no doubt remember when the situation calls for it. But that “writer” business, that seems to be one she keeps coming back to.

She is not domestic, she is a luxury, and in that sense, necessary.
[close]
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2023, 01:49:59 AM
Holy crap, Hawkgirl #1 is utter crap. it starts out fine and then all of a sudden there's weird blue haired bimbo and then there's a lesbian and then it ends with blue hair girl being lesbians with some chick. And of course Hawkgirl sees her olld college roommate and she's a tattooed up divorcee that's now a lesbian who claims she might not actually be a woman with a political protest wearing a Black Lives Matter t-shirt in the next panel. Good Lord, endless gay leftist agenda stuff in these books. Communists ruin art. I won't be getting anymore Hawkgirl. Taking this book back to the comic shop and getting something else.
Should have looked up the author before buying, it was never going to be anything else breh:
https://twitter.com/planetx/status/1685070568251355137

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLGcsWpRMiQ

Quote from: https://www.comicsbeat.com/interview-jadzia-axelrod-jess-taylor-on-galaxy-the-prettiest-star/
KAPLAN: One aspect of the experience of being a trans woman or a trans girl that I haven’t seen touched on very often (in the few examples of media that feature us) is hypervisibility. Was it important to include this aspect of the trans woman experience in Galaxy: the Prettiest Star?

AXELROD: I transitioned in my 30s, so I was not a trans teenager. I did a lot of research into trans teenagers’ personal narratives, watched a lot of YouTube videos of people talking about their experiences. One thing that came up again and again, is that hypervisibility of shifting from being someone no one noticed, perhaps even because you try to keep from being noticed because you’re uncomfortable in your skin, to being someone that everyone can see and everyone can look at and point at and that that’s extremely difficult.

...

AXELROD: Yes, it’s been really incredible. One thing that was really important to me writing it was that it be unapologetically queer and unapologetically trans and to not have any qualifiers with that. To not present being trans as negative, but also not to present being trans as neutral. To not show it as something that it’s just like being cis because it’s not.

I wanted to show being trans is beautiful. I wanted to show being queer is beautiful and how queer love is transformative. We don’t get to see trans being beautiful. We see beautiful trans people.

We don’t see media so often, even if we have beautiful trans actors playing these roles, being trans is something that is never shown as something that is glorious and I really wanted to do that. That, I think more than anything, is what people are responding to. We were so starved for that, not just representation, but celebration.

...

AXELROD: Yes. That was the impetus in a very real way because as I said I didn’t transition until my 30s, and part of that was I’ve read old journals of myself when I was a teenager. There was definitely gender questions in there, but the representation of trans people in media was not something that resonated with me because it was all done by cis people. We were always a joke or something tragic or a big narrative trope – which is less now, which is great, but certainly then – was this idea that a trans woman is a failed man.

I had too much success at being a boy to be a girl. Part of that was I was working so hard to be a boy. The struggle was real. I really wanted to create an antidote to that and to help out the eggs who might be reading it and say, “you don’t have to fit in a specific box in order to feel this way.” These are just feelings and again, that’s where the sci-fi metaphor really, I think shines.

https://www.jaredaxelrod.com/
(https://www.jaredaxelrod.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/11/Website8-768x768.jpg)
Quote
Jadzia Axelrod (also known as Jared Axelrod) is an author, an illustrator, and a world changer. Through out her eventful life she has also been a circus performer, a puppeteer, a graphic designer, a sculptor, a costume designer, a podcaster and quite a few other things that she’s lost track of but will no doubt remember when the situation calls for it. But that “writer” business, that seems to be one she keeps coming back to.

She is not domestic, she is a luxury, and in that sense, necessary.
[close]

After their other leftist pet projects bombed I figured it was safe they'd leave the commie propaganda alone for the time being but stupid me.

https://youtu.be/7cniTLwuHFM
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on July 29, 2023, 01:52:34 AM
Low sales just means the people need to have fewer incorrect options. :ufup
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on July 29, 2023, 02:02:17 AM
My Adventures With Superman is absolutely fantastic. Too many black characters for "diversity" (which ends up making the cast not very diverse funnily) though. Aside from that, five stars and a very human portrayal of comics greatest hero.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on July 30, 2023, 09:38:54 PM
Marvel just seemingly killed off nearly all the mutants (again).

:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on August 08, 2023, 03:13:14 AM
Got Wonder Woman #800 a few weeks back. Was great.

Decided to read Wonder Woman #799. Cover page is Women's March. Turn page. Greeted with a gay male couple. Turn page. Greet with a lesbian couple. I miss when comics kept romance, for both straight and homosexuals under wraps. We need to backtrack and make straight couples have less action. If they get less action gay couples do too and they can stop throwing their gay ass agenda in my face when I'm trying to read ass kicking.

Of course one of the lesbians is a fat black woman. Almost every comic now has some gay ass shit in it. There's more gay stuff than straight stuff. Everyone's gay, gay, gay. And if they're not gay, they're nonbinary queer. Good Lord.

Tried out Superman: Jon Kent and of course, gay.

This shit makes me want to make my own comic book company and make my own comics so I don't have to see any gay shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 10, 2023, 05:31:22 AM
:confused

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/43/Young_Romance_Issue_1.jpg)
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on August 10, 2023, 05:34:20 AM
Marvel just seemingly killed off nearly all the mutants (again).

:dead

They're just gonna shunt them all off to their own alternate universe where the only supes are mutants as the finale to the krakatoa stuff, aren't they?
Which conveniently also sidesteps the issue of how come no mutants in the MCU
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 10, 2023, 11:17:20 AM
Marvel just seemingly killed off nearly all the mutants (again).

:dead

They're just gonna shunt them all off to their own alternate universe where the only supes are mutants as the finale to the krakatoa stuff, aren't they?
Which conveniently also sidesteps the issue of how come no mutants in the MCU

Turns out we only had to wait a little over a week to find out. :lol

Immortal X-Men #14 shows that all those mutants were
spoiler (click to show/hide)
not killed and instead teleported into some kind of desert world outside time and space, where telepaths can't detect them.  Exodus pops up to lead them out of the desert and back to the promised land
[close]
.  X-Men getting biblical now.
:dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on August 11, 2023, 12:34:15 PM
Please root for the gay and trans villains and terrorists.

https://www.comicbook.com/dc/amp/news/harley-quinn-adds-new-trans-and-non-binary-characters-tefe-holland-swamp-thing/

Watched Shazam: Fury of the Gods. Pretty good stuff. Here's hoping they keep the Shazam family in the new DCU. Of course there was a gay character who has to come out and it adds nothing to anything. Other niggles include Mary Marvel being kind of useless and having a storyline that didn't go anywhere.  Still real good movie.

Picked up an incredible Supes pull which included the entirety of Secret Identity in floppy form and The Last Family of Krypton.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 12, 2023, 12:33:10 AM
Quote
Tefe was originally introduced as the daughter of Swamp Thing in Swamp Thing Vol 2 #90 in 1989.

Ortiz is best known for their role as Jim, the fan-favorite non-binary pirate in Our Flag Means Death, so it's no surprise Tefe is non-binary in Harley Quinn. While Tefe uses she/her pronouns in the comics, the character is confirmed to be bisexual.
This is hilarious, they don't mention at all that she became the titular Swamp Thing later on. Tefe's only relationship ever in the comics was with a woman. And making her non-binary is a complete rejection of the only story she ever had, why would Pamela work with someone choosing to murder all plant life for humans if this is Tefe's choice now? :lol

This also seems like retrograde "queer" direction for anything Swamp Thing considering it was 1987 or whatever when acid-trip human-plant sex led to Tefe, who isn't fully human, in the first place. :dead
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on August 12, 2023, 10:10:42 AM
Let's not forget Harlequin is gay now despite decades of relationships with men from Joker to Dick Grayson.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: bork on August 19, 2023, 03:56:56 PM
Let's not forget Harlequin is gay now despite decades of relationships with men from Joker to Dick Grayson.

OK, so she's bi.  None of this really matters.  It's just a way for them to get attention and drum up sales.  Whether or not this is actually doing any of that, I have no idea.  I also don't give a shit about 'muh romance' in superhero comics no matter what the characters' sexual orientations are- the wedding issue with Cyclops and Jean Grey was just as boring as the wedding issue with Northstar and his boyfriend.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2023, 05:22:27 PM
Let's not forget Harlequin is gay now despite decades of relationships with men from Joker to Dick Grayson.

OK, so she's bi.  None of this really matters.  It's just a way for them to get attention and drum up sales.  Whether or not this is actually doing any of that, I have no idea.  I also don't give a shit about 'muh romance' in superhero comics no matter what the characters' sexual orientations are- the wedding issue with Cyclops and Jean Grey was just as boring as the wedding issue with Northstar and his boyfriend.

Notice they always make characters bi. It's a convenient way to backtrack if the move isn't popular. Few are truly gay. They're bi so that eventually they can be switched back. It's a cynical move done to get sales towards LGBT audiences.

I also disagree. Romance can be done right. The romance between Lois and Clark is top tier adds so much emotion during moments like Superman dying. Seeing such a strong woman like Lois utterly broken and devastated was really sad.

Finally, despite my rantings I'm not even against lgbt characters. I'm against artistically bad gay characters.

My go to here would be The Wire.

In The Wire there are MULTIPLE gay characters and yet their being gay is the least interesting thing about them. Characters like Omar.

People call Omar cigarillo and he just says,"you come at the king, best not miss" and we cheer for him. People call him a cigarillo and act homophobic towards him and he dusts it off his shoulder like it's nothing. Traits like this only reinforce Omar's character because now we are forced to imagine what it was like to grow up in such a harsh and hard environment while being gay. It makes us empathize with Omar even more despite his homosexuality not being at the forefront.

There's the police detective captain. He's a hard ass in the office and then one scene some characters go into a gay bar and Rawls (the captain) is there.

It doesn't linger. It's never brought up again. He never admits it. And yet it puts him into focus.

DC already has multiple legit gay characters and they have been written in far more compelling ways than the modern "MOM I'M GAY LET'S KISS" shit. Take the aforementioned gay characters in DC where they're shoving how gay they are every panel versus Maggie, who exists in the same universe and is canonically lesbian (not bisexual like how most modern hacks write lgbt characters). Look how Maggie's story is written.

(https://i.imgur.com/hkRRzC6.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SuT3Zdb.jpg)

It is tastefully done AND well written. I think censors lead to better comic book art. It's the Seinfeld Phenomenon. Seinfeld is more funny than Curb despite being from one half of the original Seinfeld writing team because in Seinfeld you couldn't cuss, in Curb you can. This leads to Seinfeld using clever terminology like "master of my domain" or "I was doing.....it. I will never do...THAT, again!" It's like the best art needs a censor of some type.

Modern relationships in comics has two lgbt characters making out every issue. Even Lois and Clark aren't that mushy and they've got a kid together.

I guess my point is that I'm allergic to bad art. There's a worlds difference between Maggie, a character worth admiration, and Galaxy, a character that should make you want to puke. One is a written like a human. The other like an agenda.

This adds fuel to the fire that most millennials are bad artists.

Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on August 19, 2023, 07:14:25 PM
Versus the stuff I mentioned from Hawkgirl.

Notice how it pushes agenda in your face (protesting, BLM, I'm a lesbo, look at my tattoos and side shave, let's make out because we're gay and apparently that's all being gay is about - sex). Side shave girl and Maggie have near identical stories and yet Maggie is actually a good character rather than something comes across like a chessboard piece. The distinction? Good writing.

(https://i.imgur.com/CvWvJ7J.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/ESrbnsn.png)

One - the previous Maggie panels - is good art. The other simply isn't.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on August 20, 2023, 04:01:36 AM
It's because Maggie is a person, this character is a persona. When Maggie moved to Gotham, she interacted with other lesbians in the stories but other than the dumb interrupted storyline in Batwoman she and the other characters remained themselves first, and also, they're gay. It was not their essence, it was another fact about them and it only came up when appropriate. Maggie, like Renee, faced as much if not more issues from simply being women in the police force. Your entire introduction to the character above is how she's gay and how this should tell you everything thing you need to know about her (rebel/protestor for faux-radical causes, hairstyle, piercings and tattoos, etc., overthrew her previous allegedly false persona for the most dramatic opposite, the "real her" just like she claimed the former persona was) and it does, it means she's a vapid stereotype who will offer nothing to the story because she will never be able to escape the bounds the writer put her in from the start.

The trans character in Batgirl was just another character, who happened to be trans, but this wasn't good enough because you weren't constantly being told they were trans so the next writer made them TRANS and all they ever did was stereotypical insane shit peaking with what I posted in this thread where everyone acted like a "fertility doctor" misgendering them was murderous behavior that justified weeks of being insane to everyone including the wife. When Barbara moved to Burnside, guess which character was left behind because they were now completely useless. (I think they came back later in Batgirls, and obviously they were in the cancelled movie of course.)

I personally argue that they cannot construct these "diversity" characters in any other way because the audience who wants these characters will not allow them to be anything but their superficial demographics. You can't portray them as anything but good and pure, you can't make them complex, you can't have tragedies and other certain plots happen to them, they can't make mistakes, they're required to adopt an entire, often political, persona that shifts to match the audience, etc. The attack on people complaining about these characters proves this is what the claimed audience wants because they always go for "you just don't like seeing gay/Black/trans/etc. people" as if these narrow, useless and annoying character types are the only type of people who exist in those demographics.

The entire point is praise for merely existing so why develop any character, or even worse, realistic humanity.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on August 20, 2023, 07:35:57 AM
I think many leftists think of art as solely a platform to push left politics rather than an exploration in the human condition. Basically. "Art is political" "Superhero comics have always been political." Yeah, and they weren't written by hacks either. I saw some tweet on Twitter the other week saying superheroes have always been political and especially Captain America. They use some page where he rants like a crazy person because he read America is attacking some foreign nation in a newspaper and then act like just because something is political that makes it good or well written inherently.

Left art was once avant garde. Now it's just often boring dog shit.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Himu on August 24, 2023, 12:25:58 PM
Penguin #1

:delicious
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: D3RANG3D on February 14, 2024, 03:37:59 PM
https://youtu.be/twzAQcF7HdI
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 20, 2024, 02:29:30 PM
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Bought the Dark Nights: Death Metal Omnibus. I'm looking forward to seeing what shenanigans the gang gets up to this time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 01, 2024, 02:03:30 AM
Was at the local used videogame store/pawnshop for nerd crap and I ended up buying the first 5 volumes of Geoff John’s New 52 Justice League for $2 each, so I guess I’m reading that next, after I finish Death Metal. Also bought several volumes of the Bat Family Court of Owls related stuff, but I’ve already read most of that back when it was releasing. I was still pretty invested in Batman then, coming off Grant Morrison’s Batman run and also Scott Snyder’s Black Mirror storyline in Detective Comics, although I dipped out pretty early into the New 52.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 06, 2024, 03:42:24 PM
Accidentally bought another omnibus.

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Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: benjipwns on March 13, 2024, 01:34:32 AM
I actually kind of like Zero Hour but I will admit there's tons of stupidity in it and maybe way too much for most people.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: chronovore on March 13, 2024, 02:00:41 AM
Does part of the stupidity include how Batman's face is lit?
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 13, 2024, 10:39:42 AM
I read it back in the 90's but the only thing I remember from Zero Hour is Hal Jordan being evil and DC spending the next 10 years trying to rehabilitate him. First he sacrifices himself by flying into the sun to restart it, then he was Spectre for a while, then finally they were just like "fuck it, he's alive and he's Green Lantern again and Kyle Rayner is a bitch."
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on March 13, 2024, 02:31:40 PM
The best part about zero hour is that Damage (gotg-who.gif) is the primary protagonist.

Also it brought the JSA back, which paid off big time.
Title: Re: Bore Comics Thread: Crisis On Infinite Megathreads
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 14, 2024, 01:18:08 PM
I should probably point out that I love dumb comic stuff. Batman randomly being revealed to have died off-panel and coming back to life with the Black Lantern Ring in Death Metal was awesome. Then Robin King cuts off his ring hand to try to rekill him, and he's like "Psych bitch, I embedded the real ring in my chest."  :lol Overall I didn't think it was as good as Metal, but I still enjoyed it.

Also enjoyed reading Trinity War and Forever Evil. Lex Luthor being an absolute psychopath but still having to save the day with his bootleg Bizarro Superman.  :rejoice