Prole says:
Willcosexuality: you are erotically stimulated by your own bad taste
Prole says:
Willcosexuality: you are erotically stimulated by your own bad taste
erotically stimulated? no wonder he wouldn't stop pimping Drag Me to Hell!
Secrets and lies!
Synthesizer Patel says:
prole and I formed a theory that you're turned on by bad movies
and this is why you love Drag Me to Hell
it's like fine Thai cheeseburger porn to you
Willco says:
But everyone loved Drag Me to Hell! Even border!
you know, viewed a certain way, Avatar is just a three-hour infomercial for next-gen Realdolls
is that a jpeg of the character guys were saying was hot?
god that is just fucking eerie
Secrets and lies!
Synthesizer Patel says:
prole and I formed a theory that you're turned on by bad movies
and this is why you love Drag Me to Hell
it's like fine Thai cheeseburger porn to you
Willco says:
But everyone loved Drag Me to Hell! Even border!
Crap, I enjoyed it.
On the other hand, my favorite character was the totally badass old soldier who wanted nothing more than to brutally murder every blue humanoid on Pandora. That dude was fucking awesome.
Tall women are gross
Crap, I enjoyed it.
why the fuck are you peopleIt's just fun to troll people when they get excited over a gay movie.
A.) Obsessed with this movie.
B.) Obsessed with trying to categorize said sexuality of this film when most of your (including mine) sexual practices and fantasies would disgust the average person.
I'm totally gay for James Cameron. But that's not a bad thing. Dude made Terminator 2. Fucking Terminator 2, man.
The final hour of Aliens might be my favorite hour in the entirety of cinema.
You just listed a bunch of movies that I love. I just happen to like the final hour of Aliens more. Why is that a problem?
You just listed a bunch of movies that I love. I just happen to like the final hour of Aliens more. Why is that a problem?
How the fuck can I choose when there are masterpieces like llla alal la...He's just trying to troll somebody into getting a big ass whoop-can opened up on him for some petty shit so that he can go down in flames. Basically he's trying to get banned I think. I mean nobody actually thinks "OMGOSH this hour of cinema is like AsS-to-ASS aauugghhhh!" and he knows that and wants to derail a thread, designed around a blue bitch's fetishistic fanbase, to be about an hour of ass-to-ass naughtiness. So that we remember it forever.
You're just stating a bunch of nonsense as though it's obvious what your point should be.If in a thread about 9/11 you mention that Boston is your favorite city, do you think anybody would give a fuck?
Do you realize how ridiculous that sounds?
Let's think about this for a minute. In a thread about a James Cameron movie, I mention that another James Cameron film is one of my favorite films of all time.
On what strange planet is this trolling, baiting or derailing anything?
Murdoch...I'm COMIN' FOR YOU.
GS annihilation #8209812312.
This forums gets so predictable ::)
I just don't see the point to all this.
Anybody who claims the last hour of Aliens is their favorite hour of cinema is just not that bright. I'm pretty sure the last hour of Aliens isn't even James Cameron's favorite hour of a James Cameron movie.
I don't see why you feel the need to do this. You're letting a ton of personal attacks fly for no reason other than that I made a comment about some movie I happen to love.
I mean, why? You mention The Seven Samurai. Would it make you feel better if I told you that I watched and absolutely loved just about every Kurosawa movie when I was growing up, as well as some of Toshiro Mifune's other stuff, like the Mushashi Miyamoto trilogy? Should I point you to posts I've made on this very forum where I've said that The Godfather is my favorite film of all time? While the last half of Aliens might be my favorite single hour of cinema, I'd be the first to tell you that the first half of that film is a flawed mess.
Do you get some kind of personal satisfaction out of attacking me? Do you feel more intelligent belittling someone for liking a very well-reviewed, very popular and very influential movie?
I just don't see the point to all this.
p.s. in seppuku the second is the guy who cuts off the head after the person slits open his belly.
This thread moves 2 fast!
So I'm annihilated because the final hour of Aliens is my personal favorite single hour of any movie?
Why on earth does anyone care about that anyway? What does it matter to you? Ichirou is acting like I just donkey-punched his mom, and for what? My personal taste? I love horror and action when they're done right. Aliens just does so many things right in my book, particularly in the second half. Who cares what I like? It's a fucking movie for Christ's sake.
So I'm guessing that we will never be able to talk about the actual movie on the boards?
So I'm guessing that we will never be able to talk about the actual movie on the boards?
This thread moves 2 fast!
It's got me all gobbitty goo. :dizzyspoiler (click to show/hide)Gobbitty goo in you. :-*[close]
You will always be this Pole's boo, Tauntaun :-*
So I'm guessing that we will never be able to talk about the actual movie on the boards?
People clapped in the showing I attended. :-\
How could you clap after that terrible AVATAR title at the end? :lol
Also Once Upon a Time in The West :rock
I said good movies.
Tieno, watch some Once Upon A Time in the West, Silent Running, and Yojimbo and call me in the morning.
Tieno, watch some Once Upon A Time in the West, Silent Running, and Yojimbo and call me in the morning.
Phhtt, I've seen all of those and Ikiru, The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly, and The Godfather.
but have you seen blackenstein?
Tieno, watch some Once Upon A Time in the West, Silent Running, and Yojimbo and call me in the morning.
Phhtt, I've seen all of those and Ikiru, The Good, the Bad, and The Ugly, and The Godfather.
You're badass. :bow Great Rumbler :bow2
I own The Third Man on Blu-ray.
Worth $50, bitches.
but have you seen blackenstein?
Jonathan Ward as Zak Young, the protagonist. He is currently working as a lumberjack's apprentice, and accidentally discovers FernGully. When FernGully is endangered, he must help the fairies save the very thing that he himself was trained to destroy.
Up until this point, all the fairies haven't had a clue as to what danger awaits them. That is until Zak tells the truth about who he is and what the humans are doing in FernGully.
Tieno, watch some Once Upon A Time in the West, Silent Running, and Yojimbo and call me in the morning.Already saw Once Upon A Time in The West. I like all kinds of good movies, not just the ones you're supposed to like to be an angry outcast wannabe critic nerd, like Willco.
I like all kinds of good movies, not just the ones you're supposed to like to be an angry outcast wannabe critic nerd, like Willco.
It'd probably win a few MTV Movie Awards too, to be fair.
The hype is ridiculous, it's a great, fun movie, but not worth any Academy Award nomination aside from technical ones.
Either I just don't get it, or all the subliminal "love Avatar" messages are hidden in the 3D version.
At any rate, Willco, I do recommend you go see it on the big screen instead of waiting for it to hit Netflix. I imagine much of the movie's scope and charm comes from the visuals seen on a large scale (probably what overloaded GS's synapses in the first place when he saw them in 3D).
On the PD scale, I rate it an 8.43257 out of 10.
but have you seen blackenstein?
Is there such a movie?
At any rate, Willco, I do recommend you go see it on the big screen instead of waiting for it to hit Netflix. I imagine much of the movie's scope and charm comes from the visuals seen on a large scale (probably what overloaded GS's synapses in the first place when he saw them in 3D).
On the PD scale, I rate it an 8.43257 out of 10.
By the time it hits Netflix, I'll have a 3D setup and a pretty large television with a Bose setup. I'm not really worried about "missing" the charm.
both blacula movies are pretty good and told completely straight forward
but have you seen blackenstein?
Is there such a movie?
it's actually black frankenstein, but come on, it's blackenstein
(http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s228/Selfscience/blax-movies/Blackenstein1973A.jpg)
do not want!!
They probably just join their USB hair cords together.
do not want!!
Maybe you would prefer something more along these lines:spoiler (click to show/hide)(http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k36/SlinkyT82/blackgirlmyspacead.jpg)[close]
That picture always makes :lol
This was my first 3d movie and the novelty wore off half way in. If anything its more like everything is out of focus except for a few objects.
I was also disappointed by [baby's first] 3D experience. It always just felt like what I should be focusing on was being explicitly dictated and trying to get anything else out of a shot was discouraged. I want to say it does the movie a total disservice; I probably would've been more intrigued by the visuals if I could, you know, actually see them most of the time.I was starting to think I was alone.
I haven't seen it yet but everyone has been complaining about Sigourney's performance, that's a shame :-\
Is there a big hype train for this movie in the US or something? I don't get it either.
Is there a big hype train for this movie in the US or something? I don't get it either.Word of mouth and maybe more people were on vacation the second Monday. I know most colleges were out by then.
willco is being stuffed to the brim with crow.
I didn't say Cameron poorly spent his budget, but all those films have built-in fanbases, hence why they are a solid bet financially. Avatar is a risky gamble. As I said, I think it will pay off, but to the degree that those other films did for their respective studios? To be determined.
I'm not a fan of mega-budget films anyway, for reasons already stated. Compromise, collaboration and adversity create the best movies; a film will never reach its full potential if producers and directors get to throw money at all the problems. Imagine if Cameron couldn't necessarily film anything he wanted, thus forcing him to be creative - maybe using, I don't know, characterization to make a thematic point he would have otherwise used an extravagant sequence for.
Actually, a lot of furries point to Tailspin or Rescue Rangers as their "gateway drug" to full-blown furrydom. Real Talk. :-\
no. watch it in 3D.No that would make it worse. In fact, he should by a ticket to a better movie and just duck into any 2D showing that's around the same time like I suggested that Willco do.
my theory, as confirmed by sonarrat, is latchkey kid + disney afternoon + budding sexuality + introvert = YIFFMASTER DELUXEThat's the piano genius neogaffer that cybers in a dragon costume that I was thinking about, yeah.
willco is being stuffed to the brim with crow.I didn't say Cameron poorly spent his budget, but all those films have built-in fanbases, hence why they are a solid bet financially. Avatar is a risky gamble. As I said, I think it will pay off, but to the degree that those other films did for their respective studios? To be determined.
I'm not a fan of mega-budget films anyway, for reasons already stated. Compromise, collaboration and adversity create the best movies; a film will never reach its full potential if producers and directors get to throw money at all the problems. Imagine if Cameron couldn't necessarily film anything he wanted, thus forcing him to be creative - maybe using, I don't know, characterization to make a thematic point he would have otherwise used an extravagant sequence for.
Yes, I am truly eating crow! I was rooting for it to fail all along! It's not like I know people whose livelihoods were financed by Avatar! ::)
That said, Avatar could make a billion dollars, and I still wouldn't finance a non-franchise tentpole flick in the range of $500 million.
Avatar over/under: I'm setting it at $300 million (domestically)
I'm saying under
That's a safe beat. Unless this thing is actually mind blowing, I think it'll drop off quickly. Especially since Sherlock Holmes comes out on Christmas.
Actually, a lot of furries point to Tailspin or Rescue Rangers as their "gateway drug" to full-blown furrydom. Real Talk. :-\
my theory, as confirmed by sonarrat, is latchkey kid + disney afternoon + budding sexuality + introvert = YIFFMASTER DELUXE
Quote from: Phoenix DarkAvatar over/under: I'm setting it at $300 million (domestically)
I'm saying underQuote from: WillcoThat's a safe beat. Unless this thing is actually mind blowing, I think it'll drop off quickly. Especially since Sherlock Holmes comes out on Christmas.
I'm pretty sure the sequel will star Worthington and Saldana's kid having to deal with the humans coming back (since each trip to and from Pandora takes six years each way, he'll be at least 12 by then). Just my idea since Cameron seems to be using old sci-fi novel tropes.Huh. I'd been assuming that the humans win, oddly. I mean, historically the Native Americans and Aborigines and Aleutians and Hawaiians and South American Indians all pretty much failed to rout the technologically superior invaders. IS LOVE REALLY THAT STRONG?
I saw it on Cinemark's new XD screen. It was pretty awesome, what with it's giant, curved screen and booming sound system.
I've been to demonstrations of those but never a full length film. Sounds pretty cool!
If you're going to see this movie it's moronic to opt to see it in a normal theater. The impressive amount of detail in the environments are lost when watching it in a small theater. Plus the 3D projectors are low rent compared to the Phillips ones used in IMAX theaters. RealD also heavily darkens the picture which is a drawback inherent in its TI projector tech.
RealD also heavily darkens the picture which is a drawback inherent in its TI projector tech.
Yeah, it's a bit bullshit to really go out of your way for an IMAX film. Plus the sales for the RealD theaters is only going to convince more theaters and studios that implementing quality 3D in your film is a great way to get people in the seats. As a whole, screening these types of films (DLP, RealD, pseudo IMAX, etc) is sure to convince theater groups that improving their aging projectors is a worthwhile and reliable investment.Sure as hell convinced me. I'll make the trip to the theaters a lot more often if they continue to make good 3D movies.
Sure as hell convinced me. I'll make the trip to the theaters a lot more often if they continue to make good 3D movies.
RealD also heavily darkens the picture which is a drawback inherent in its TI projector tech.
hmm. this wasnt the case for me. the IMAX 3D showing i went to was much dimmer than the RealD showing. Now I fully admit it could be that my IMAX theater is balls and sucks for 3D, but the RealD showing I went to last Saturday was amazing. the colors were rich and it was very bright.
Did you see it in an IMAX attached to a science center? Those aren't very up to date. :-\
Also, be warned that a lot of theaters are advertising IMAX screenings but those really aren't true IMAX at all. They may be slightly bigger than your usual theater screen but their IMAX branded projector and audio system really doesn't compare. You can see these links for more information: "Techdirt Blog Post (http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20090513/0150344862.shtml[/url)" and "Google Map List of Real/Fake IMAX (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&ll=36.210347,-86.68539&spn=0.043144,0.077248&t=h&z=14&msid=113621990356540393221.000469b6c5915161c3667&iwloc=000469b6d72410c230bbd)"
And then it will just have started to turn a profit :smug
Funkephilia, or you're afraid you just blue yourself
(http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/img/tobias_funke.jpg)That joke, and the analrapist one, pretty much made Arrested Development for me. :rofl
I read this thread the other day and was indescribably furious at the people attacking Green Shinobi. He's absolutely right. Ichirou and Am Nintenho can fuck right off.yes, we tried to judge a movie on its merits and not its review score. you know willco was the one who made gs basically grab his ankles right?
I've been feeling more and more persuaded over the last couple of weeks that Zoe Saldana deserves a Best Actress nomination for her motion-capture performance as Neytiri in Avatar. In the manner of a silent-film actress Saldana's emoting is necessarily broad, and I understand the uninformed suspicion that it's not she who deserves the credit as much as the motion-capture tweaks that fine-tuned her performance, but my heart knows what it feels. Saldana got me.
Don't even mention Meryl Streep's Dan Aykroyd-y performance in Julie & Julia alongside Saldana's. When I think of Avatar I think first of the 3D-eyeball-sex aspect, and then the final embrace moment between big Neytiri and Sam Worthington's little Jake. That was a huge sink-in for me. I was responding to a woman -- her bravery, conviction -- and not a technology. I felt her character and emotionality as fully as Carey Mulligan's in An Education.
Thoughts?
Avatar buzz got me thinking back to Titanic and when I worked at a music/video store in the mall. We were pushing Titanic video pre-orders like mad, banking on the huge theatre success to translate to people buying the home version for gifts. I spent months trying to get pre-orders out of customers, assuring them that they'd be sold out otherwise. Finally the thing comes out on VHS, we have boxes and boxes of it, and about 20% of the preorders came to pick it up. A year later we still had boxes of the thing. Nobody cared about the movie anymore. It was like it had a 2 year lifecycle and then everyone realized it sucked. By the time it hit video, the hype train had died. We had to send back boxes of Titanic videos to the supplier because they were just eating up storage space.
Worldwide video and DVD sales and rentals: $1,200,000,000http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/1997/TITAN.php (http://www.the-numbers.com/movies/1997/TITAN.php)
Total worldwide video sales of Titanic topped 57m units in three months, according to Fox, which handled video distribution outside North America. Figure is believed to make movie best-selling video of all time, just ahead of previous record holder, Disney's 1995 release of The Lion King.http://www.allbusiness.com/media-telecommunications/movies-sound-recording/7540509-1.html (http://www.allbusiness.com/media-telecommunications/movies-sound-recording/7540509-1.html)
That is not what happened where I was. The distributor certainly sold shitloads to retail, but I don't know beyond that.
Consumers spent an estimated $250 million on purchase and rental of "Titanic" video in its first six days of release. It took more than five weeks for the movie to generate that much money at US theaters. An estimated 12-15 million copies were sold during the 1-6 September time periodhttp://www.casenet.com/movie/titanic.htm (http://www.casenet.com/movie/titanic.htm)
fucked raw naked in Little Children >> emo painting in titanic
fucked raw naked in Little Children >> emo painting in titanic
Huh? Tell me more
Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible.
------------------------------
I recently read on the Avatar TypePad Blog, that people are becoming depressed because of the movie. People are realizing that the dream can't actually come true. I was trying to start a thread where people gave ideas on how to cope with it, as in reading Avatar stuff, Writing ( about avatar of course), painting, or whatever. Just give me some ideas and I'll try and help them out. Maybe people reading might even get some good ideas that'll help.
fucked raw naked in Little Children >> emo painting in titanic
Huh? Tell me more
:nsfwspoiler (click to show/hide)http://www.metacafe.com/watch/470146/kate_winslet_little_children/ (http://www.metacafe.com/watch/470146/kate_winslet_little_children/)[close]
http://avatar-forums.com/showthread.php?t=43 (http://avatar-forums.com/showthread.php?t=43)QuoteWays to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible.
------------------------------
I recently read on the Avatar TypePad Blog, that people are becoming depressed because of the movie. People are realizing that the dream can't actually come true. I was trying to start a thread where people gave ideas on how to cope with it, as in reading Avatar stuff, Writing ( about avatar of course), painting, or whatever. Just give me some ideas and I'll try and help them out. Maybe people reading might even get some good ideas that'll help.
...
20th Century Fox In a recent group interview, James Cameron has revealed that, when making 'Avatar', he shot a sex scene between two Na'vi characters. "We had it in and we cut it out," said Cameron, "so that will be something for the special edition DVD, if you want to see how they have sex." Note that the text below contains spoilers to the plot of the movie.
At one point in the movie, the Na'vi avatar of Jake Sully has an intimate encounter with Neytiri, but very little is shown of that. Actress Zoe Saldana, who had said that she thinks Neytiri is "very sexy", went into the specifics of how the Na'vi "get their groove on", which turns out to be through the tendrils at the end of their ponytail-like tentacle.
Saldana explained: "If you sync to your banshee and you're syncing to a tree, why not sync into a person? I almost feel like you'll have the most amazing orgasm, I guess. It was a very funny scene to shoot because there were so many technical things that sometimes you have to keep in mind that paying attention to all those might disrupt the fluidity of how a scene is supposed to take place."
"And because Jim was shooting for a PG-13 rating, we couldn't move in certain directions," said also the actress. "The motion would look a little too past the PG-13 rating standards. So it was really funny for Sam [Worthington] and me. We had a lot of giggles there."
I've never seen Lawrence of Arabia. :-[
snip
David Lean's a pretty overrated director if you ask me. If you really put the two films up side by side, Lawrence of Arabia just doesn't have the kind of immersion that Avatar has nor does it have the subtle touches that James Cameron works into to make you feel for the characters and worry about what happens to them next. Plus, all the action scenes in Lawrence of Arabia were all really boring, just people riding around on camels and hitting each other with swords and stuff. Peter O'Toole does a good job with what's there, but he just didn't put heart and soul into his role like Zoe Saldana did with Neytiri. There were several scenes of hers that made me tear up, nothing in Lawrence of Arabia got anywhere close to that kind of response.
You guys can argue with me all you want, but I think history will back me up.
http://www.learnnavi.org/
Great Rumbler, are you furiously adding furries to your fantasy novel?
DVD/Blu-Ray to contain Avatar: Unrated Edition WITH CONTENT TOO HOT FOR THEATERS! :droolQuote
20th Century Fox In a recent group interview, James Cameron has revealed that, when making 'Avatar', he shot a sex scene between two Na'vi characters. "We had it in and we cut it out," said Cameron, "so that will be something for the special edition DVD, if you want to see how they have sex." Note that the text below contains spoilers to the plot of the movie.
At one point in the movie, the Na'vi avatar of Jake Sully has an intimate encounter with Neytiri, but very little is shown of that. Actress Zoe Saldana, who had said that she thinks Neytiri is "very sexy", went into the specifics of how the Na'vi "get their groove on", which turns out to be through the tendrils at the end of their ponytail-like tentacle.
Saldana explained: "If you sync to your banshee and you're syncing to a tree, why not sync into a person? I almost feel like you'll have the most amazing orgasm, I guess. It was a very funny scene to shoot because there were so many technical things that sometimes you have to keep in mind that paying attention to all those might disrupt the fluidity of how a scene is supposed to take place."
"And because Jim was shooting for a PG-13 rating, we couldn't move in certain directions," said also the actress. "The motion would look a little too past the PG-13 rating standards. So it was really funny for Sam [Worthington] and me. We had a lot of giggles there."
:hump :tauntaun :rapetime :avatar Maybe the Blu-Ray will also tell us what James Cameron's fursona is.
Great Rumbler, are you furiously adding furries to your fantasy novel?
Yes, and it will feature a sex scene much longer than the one Cameron is putting back into the director's cut. Maybe two or three. Including one with twin Neytiri's. :drool
Great Rumbler, are you furiously adding furries to your fantasy novel?
Yes, and it will feature a sex scene much longer than the one Cameron is putting back into the director's cut. Maybe two or three. Including one with twin Neytiri's. :drool
include a scene where Neytiri enters a human being avatar, but still retains control of her Na'vi body :drool
So it's going to end up as the second biggest grossing film of all time probably?
So it's going to end up as the second biggest grossing film of all time probably?
I was really stoked to see this, but, for some reason, I have lost all motivation to see it. 3D is way too gimmicky get me in the theatre and the impressions, Ebert notwithstanding, haven't given me any motivation to.Not in this movie.
I like how everyone doubts Cameron and says his films are going to flop but then he breaks records and makes billions of dollars. Dude just has the Midas touch.
Speed Racer 2009; all delicious fluff with no thinking required.
wait, do the people who really like Up see it in 3D? I saw the regular version of it and thought it was pretty weak for a Pixar movie.
Speed Racer 2009; all delicious fluff with no thinking required.
This is insulting to Speed Racer.
I was really stoked to see this, but, for some reason, I have lost all motivation to see it. 3D is way too gimmicky get me in the theatre and the impressions, Ebert notwithstanding, haven't given me any motivation to.you mean the glowing impressions across the world? it's the greatest spectacle ever put on film -- an absolute masterpiece...nothing about it is gimmicky at all. The other 3d movies are gimmicky because throw it in your face but Avatar's 3d is not only technically superior in every regard but it's not in your face...most of it is depth-related and stuff
The 3D in this movie is well-done but still completely useless and gimmicky. The point of the CGI is for you to actually analyze the detail but all adding 3D does is it makes it look out of focus. It's like a screen door on a submarine, I would prefer not to use it.
no. the examples you guys point out of it having depth and the movements looking more real don't make sense since everything's already in CGI where temporal motion blur and DOF create the same effect on your eyes. Maybe the fact that it's in 3D makes those effects seem more interesting/obvious to you but not to me. It just took me out of it.The 3D in this movie is well-done but still completely useless and gimmicky. The point of the CGI is for you to actually analyze the detail but all adding 3D does is it makes it look out of focus. It's like a screen door on a submarine, I would prefer not to use it.like fistful said, you're just plain wrong and prob blind
Yeah, I'm debating whether to see Up in the Air or Sherlock Holmes this week. I hear both have better screenplays than Avatar.
Yeah, I'm debating whether to see Up in the Air or Sherlock Holmes this week. I hear both have better screenplays than Avatar.
Didn't you take your family to see Holmes last week?
Wall-e was pretty boring, so I'm in no hurry to watch up.
Up is a snoozefest. Cloudy with a chance of meatballs was better.
[img]http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy244/koodo_bucket/29mxj5f.gif[/i
:heart :heart :heart :heart
I loled when Johnny Depp unfurled two rolls of cloth at the screen at the end of the Alice trailer. Give me a break.
[img]http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy244/koodo_bucket/29mxj5f.gif[/i
:heart :heart :heart :heart
that's what I mean when I say the faces are creepy :yuck
[img]http://i796.photobucket.com/albums/yy244/koodo_bucket/29mxj5f.gif[/i
:heart :heart :heart :heart
that's what I mean when I say the faces are creepy :yuck
It's a bit creepy because of how real it looks.
Yeah, I'm debating whether to see Up in the Air or Sherlock Holmes this week. I hear both have better screenplays than Avatar.
I don't agree with swaggaz.
http://twitpic.com/wt1lk
:bow Ebert :bow2
A lot of gays at Avatar at The Dome tonight. Well, now we know what the most popular Halloween costume in West Hollywood will be this year.
http://twitter.com/eastonellis/status/7434282950Quote from: Bret Easton EllisA lot of gays at Avatar at The Dome tonight. Well, now we know what the most popular Halloween costume in West Hollywood will be this year.
It will do anything to obtain Pandora's "nobtainium"
Quote from: abc newsIt will do anything to obtain Pandora's "nobtainium"
lol, nice typo :teehee
Avatar is more like Zeppelin. That band borrowed heavily from plenty of musicians in blues and other genres, but they made that stuff sound better than it ever had before, and as a result they're probably the best rock band of all time. Now Avatar isn't the best film of all time, or even close, but it's still a damn good one in my opinion, and apparently in plenty of other people's opinions as well.
Yeah, I would compare Avatar to a children's movie too.
That band borrowed heavily from plenty of musicians
Director STEVEN SPIELBERG wept at a premiere of pal GEORGE LUCAS' final STAR WARS movie EPISODE III: REVENGE OF THE SITH.
JURASSIC PARK film-maker, Spielberg was so moved by the eagerly-awaited conclusion of the sci-fi saga, he burst into tears at its screening last week
But he's unashamed by his tears, insisting fans will also cry at the end of the film, because its moving conclusion marks the end of Lucas' epic story.
Spielberg says, "I saw it about a week ago, and it's absolutely amazing.
"It's the best of the last three episodes. It's the best way you could possibly imagine for George to finish it off, it has a tremendous ending and it's very dark. You'll cry at the end, it's wonderful."
I'll go out on a limb and bet that he didn't praise Transformers 2.
It's how I spell "borrowed." Their songs sound vastly different than the songs they're accused of stealing.
Aside from the lyrics, they're almost completely different.
Aside from the lyrics, they're almost completely different.
Should he have done some more research? Probably. But who doesn't need to do more research?
In reality, the blues genre is made up of only three songs.
The Lemon Song is fucking awesome.True.
Willco, you haven't seen Avatar, and thus you are completely unqualified to speak on this matter.
Willco, you haven't seen Avatar, and thus you are completely unqualified to speak on this matter.
Uh what? The Hurt Locker is littered with scenes that tell more in one frame than Cameron accomplishes in his whole lousy film. Bigelow literally builds tension through visual storytelling; the entire film is an exercise in that. The scene near the end in the cereal box aisle is more powerful than anything Jimmy Cameron's 3D Jungle Safari can muster up.
And by your own admission, the acting was incredible. Which - guess what? - also happens to be the director's job. Yes, great actors can often times direct themselves, but I think you have to give Bigelow credit here.
What did Cameron do in Avatar other than direct some very adequate to poor performances in a very dumb and predictable story propped up by special effects? And while Cameron is involved in the technical aspects, my feeling is that, y'know, the actual people that worked on those elements should win - not Cameron. But you probably thought he was DP/art director/etc.
Apparently not much if you think Cameron deserves to win over Bigelow. :lol
ergo when pdiddy sampled led zepplin for the godzilla soundtrack he exponentially became the greatest rock artist of all time:lol
I just think Cameron deserves it more.
The performances are pretty good. Zoe Saldana has a good chance of getting a Best Actress nomination. Sigourney Weaver and Stephen Lang have also been praised.
Unlike Willco, I'm not trolling. Saying that anyone in Avatar deserves a nomination for acting is a joke.
Unlike Willco, I'm not trolling. Saying that anyone in Avatar deserves a nomination for acting is a joke.
Not everyone thinks so, apparently.
Unlike Willco, I'm not trolling. Saying that anyone in Avatar deserves a nomination for acting is a joke.
Not everyone thinks so, apparently.
Then those people need to see better movies. Avatar was a lot of fun, I enjoyed it. But it's not that good.
The world is full of stupid people, Great Rumbler.
Clearly I'm wrong, even though I saw the film. I'm so wrong that GS keeps ignoring my comments.
I guess all those critics that loved Avatar, but did not like its story or the lack of characterization, are dumb as well. OH WELL.
Zoe deserves some recognition. She's really good in the movie. And she's pretty.
Zoe deserves some recognition. She's really good in the movie. And she's pretty.
Firefly was pretty mediocre.
Unlike Willco, I'm not trolling. Saying that anyone in Avatar deserves a nomination for acting is a joke.
His trolling fell off when he started lampooning Avatar with the same argument he used to hail Paranormal Activity.
That said, I do think the direction is one of the strongest aspects of the movie. I was fully absorbed during the film's running time. I was emotionally "with it" for the duration. It was only after the credits started rolling that I started thinking about some of the more laughable aspects (the stereotypical macho man colonel, the often corny dialogue, etc.), but Cameron's directing is great, IMO. The way he directs action is such a welcome change of pace from the Sommers and Bay school of directing.
Fact: I don't know a single person that liked Titanic, other than you and my sister.
I haven't seen Titanic, and wouldn't unless I got to see it with your sister
Fact: I don't know a single person that liked Titanic, other than you and my sister.
GhaleonEB
I'll go out on a limb and bet that he didn't praise Transformers 2.He was a producer for both Transformers 1 and 2.
I would not personally spend the time and money to see a painfully derivative adventure movie aimed at teenagers.
That sub genre is just not my cup of tea.
Willco's taking a STAND, GR. I wish he'd taken a stand against the Transformers movies, but OH WELL.
Willco's taking a STAND, GR. I wish he'd taken a stand against the Transformers movies, but OH WELL.
Hey, even I don't like the sequel, no matter how hard everyone tries to lump me into that audience.
I didn't pay money to see Transformers 2.
And urine drinking. Nothing by-the-numbers about that :punch
I love horse cock
I paint my entire body blue before visiting prostitutes
and I'm currently in the process of building a sex robot with cat-like features and a tail that can diddle me while I fuck it.
To answer the question posed by this thread, I love horse cock, I paint my entire body blue before visiting prostitutes, and I'm currently in the process of building a sex robot with cat-like features and a tail that can diddle me while I fuck it. I'm sure those fetishes have everything to do with my belief that Cameron should win Best Director for Avatar.
I kinda want to see it again...I get the same feeling after all the hype and discussion it makes but then I see this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeHsc2ioexs&feature=related)video and laugh my ass off. Avatar's acting looks weirder than a fat man doing parkour, which is enjoyable but not for 3 hours.
it's not theft.
it's musical colonialism
#2 on the all time list behind Titanic now.
This is how the world ends.
When it reaches #1, Willco will give up and accede to Cameron's request to start writing the screenplay for Avatar 2: Quaritch's Revenge.
Might as well give a Terminator sequel to the guys who wrote Catwoman.
Pretty sure Cameron can find a better writer than Will fucking Federman.
I can see those in about ten million other movies, many of which are better than The Love Boat vs Ice.
Will, I love Titanic. That movie is fucking awesome.
Let's break it down:
+ Kate Winslet titties
+ Charming and baby faced Leo
+ Awesome ship destruction
+ Awesome deaths
+ Awesome cinematography
+ Awesome music outside Celine Dion
+ Everything after the ship hits the iceberg is pretty fucking intense
+ Fucking glorious titties. Jesus Titty Fucking Christ they're glorious
- Old lady
- Small (IMO) pacing issues
- Celine Dion
- Some cheesy scenes
3 out of 4 of those negatives can be found in most legitimately great movies and are also regular problems in most epic or long movies.
I'm not saying it's the greatest movie ever made, but it's pretty fucking awesome. It doesn't deserve the hate it gets and it's always an incredible experience when I watch it like once every year or so.
It'll probably outdo The Dark Knight at this rate.
James Cameron's completely immersive spectacle "Avatar" may have been a little too real for some fans who say they have experienced depression and suicidal thoughts after seeing the film because they long to enjoy the beauty of the alien world Pandora.
On the fan forum site "Avatar Forums," a topic thread entitled "Ways to cope with the depression of the dream of Pandora being intangible," has received more than 1,000 posts from people experiencing depression and fans trying to help them cope. The topic became so popular last month that forum administrator Philippe Baghdassarian had to create a second thread so people could continue to post their confused feelings about the movie.
"I wasn't depressed myself. In fact the movie made me happy ," Baghdassarian said. "But I can understand why it made people depressed. The movie was so beautiful and it showed something we don't have here on Earth. I think people saw we could be living in a completely different world and that caused them to be depressed."
A post by a user called Elequin expresses an almost obsessive relationship with the film.
"That's all I have been doing as of late, searching the Internet for more info about 'Avatar.' I guess that helps. It's so hard I can't force myself to think that it's just a movie, and to get over it, that living like the Na'vi will never happen. I think I need a rebound movie," Elequin posted.
A user named Mike wrote on the fan Web site "Naviblue" that he contemplated suicide after seeing the movie.
"Ever since I went to see 'Avatar' I have been depressed. Watching the wonderful world of Pandora and all the Na'vi made me want to be one of them. I can't stop thinking about all the things that happened in the film and all of the tears and shivers I got from it," Mike posted. "I even contemplate suicide thinking that if I do it I will be rebirthed in a world similar to Pandora and the everything is the same as in 'Avatar.' "
Other fans have expressed feelings of disgust with the human race and disengagement with reality.
Cameron's movie, which has pulled in more than $1.4 billion in worldwide box office sales and could be on track to be the highest grossing film of all time, is set in the future when the Earth's resources have been pillaged by the human race. A greedy corporation is trying to mine the rare mineral unobtainium from the planet Pandora, which is inhabited by a peace-loving race of 7-foot tall, blue-skinned natives called the Na'vi.
In their race to mine for Pandora's resources, the humans clash with the Na'vi, leading to casualties on both sides. The world of Pandora is reminiscent of a prehistoric fantasyland, filled with dinosaur-like creatures mixed with the kinds of fauna you may find in the deep reaches of the ocean. Compared with life on Earth, Pandora is a beautiful, glowing utopia.
Ivar Hill posts to the "Avatar" forum page under the name Eltu. He wrote about his post-"Avatar" depression after he first saw the film earlier this month.
"When I woke up this morning after watching Avatar for the first time yesterday, the world seemed ... gray. It was like my whole life, everything I've done and worked for, lost its meaning," Hill wrote on the forum. "It just seems so ... meaningless. I still don't really see any reason to keep ... doing things at all. I live in a dying world."
Reached via e-mail in Sweden where he is studying game design, Hill, 17, explained that his feelings of despair made him desperately want to escape reality.
"One can say my depression was twofold: I was depressed because I really wanted to live in Pandora, which seemed like such a perfect place, but I was also depressed and disgusted with the sight of our world, what we have done to Earth. I so much wanted to escape reality," Hill said.
Cameron's special effects masterpiece is very lifelike, and the 3-D performance capture and CGI effects essentially allow the viewer to enter the alien world of Pandora for the movie's 2½-hour running time, which only lends to the separation anxiety some individuals experience when they depart the movie theater.
"Virtual life is not real life and it never will be, but this is the pinnacle of what we can build in a virtual presentation so far," said Dr. Stephan Quentzel, psychiatrist and Medical Director for the Louis Armstrong Center for Music and Medicine at Beth Israel Medical Center in New York. "It has taken the best of our technology to create this virtual world and real life will never be as utopian as it seems onscreen. It makes real life seem more imperfect."
Fans of the movie may find actor Stephen Lang, who plays the villainous Col. Miles Quaritch in the film, an enemy of the Na'vi people and their sacred ground, an unlikely sympathizer. But Lang says he can understand the connection people are feeling with the movie.
"Pandora is a pristine world and there is the synergy between all of the creatures of the planet and I think that strikes a deep chord within people that has a wishfulness and a wistfulness to it," Lang said. "James Cameron had the technical resources to go along with this incredibly fertile imagination of his and his dream is built out of the same things that other peoples' dreams are made of."
The bright side is that for Hill and others like him -- who became dissatisfied with their own lives and with our imperfect world after enjoying the fictional creation of James Cameron -- becoming a part of a community of like-minded people on an online forum has helped them emerge from the darkness.
"After discussing on the forums for a while now, my depression is beginning to fade away. Having taken a part in many discussions concerning all this has really, really helped me," Hill said. "Before, I had lost the reason to keep on living -- but now it feels like these feelings are gradually being replaced with others."
Quentzel said creating relationships with others is one of the keys to human happiness, and that even if those connections are occurring online they are better than nothing.
"Obviously there is community building in these forums," Quentzel said. "It may be technologically different from other community building, but it serves the same purpose."
Within the fan community, suggestions for battling feelings of depression after seeing the movie include things like playing "Avatar" video games or downloading the movie soundtrack, in addition to encouraging members to relate to other people outside the virtual realm and to seek out positive and constructive activities.
so now that it's been a couple weeks aren't you all starting to feel a bit silly having defended this childish, predictable, generic movie?
so now that it's been a couple weeks aren't you all starting to feel a bit silly having defended this childish, predictable, generic movie?
Saw Avatar with 3D.
Willco vindicated.
so now that it's been a couple weeks aren't you all starting to feel a bit silly having defended this childish, predictable, generic movie?
It's better than Unforgiven
Did Whitta lead Denzel to his biggest opening ever? Good for him man.
A 42-year-old Taiwanese man with a history of high blood pressure has died of a stroke likely triggered by over-excitement from watching the blockbuster Avatar in 3D, a doctor says.
The man, identified only by his surname Kuo, started to feel unwell during the screening earlier this month in the northern city of Hsinchu and was taken to hospital.
Mr Kuo, who suffered from hypertension, was unconscious when he arrived at the Nan Men General Hospital and a scan showed that his brain was haemorrhaging, emergency room doctor Peng Chin-chih said today.
"It's likely that the over-excitement from watching the movie triggered his symptoms,'' the doctor said.
Mr Kuo died 11 days later from the brain haemorrhage, and the China Times newspaper said it was the first death linked to watching James Cameron's science-fiction epic Avatar.
Film blogging sites have reported complaints of headaches, dizziness, nausea and blurry eyesight from viewers of Avatar and other movies rich in 3D imagery.
Let's keep a running tab of things that Avatar has annihilated:
- Communism
- Wilco
- The Dark Knight
- Emo kids
- Hurt Locker
- Phoenix Dark
- an overexcited 42 year old Taiwanese man
- Gary Whitta
- The Golden Globes' credibility
- furry haters
- Arnold Schwarzenegger's tenuous grasp of the English language
- IFC
- the director of Juno
Let's keep a running tab of things that Avatar has annihilated::bow2
- Communism
- Wilco
- The Dark Knight
- Emo kids
- Hurt Locker
- Phoenix Dark
- an overexcited 42 year old Taiwanese man
- Gary Whitta
- The Golden Globes' credibility
- furry haters
- Arnold Schwarzenegger's tenuous grasp of the English language
- IFC
- the director of Juno
Let's keep a running tab of things that Avatar has annihilated:
- Communism
- Wilco
- The Dark Knight
- Emo kids
- Hurt Locker
- Phoenix Dark
- an overexcited 42 year old Taiwanese man
- Gary Whitta
- The Golden Globes' credibility
- furry haters
- Arnold Schwarzenegger's tenuous grasp of the English language
- IFC
- the director of Juno
blahblahblah opinions blahblahblah
Lock this thread.
$36 Million in it's 6th Weekend FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!
The Harrison Ford/Brendan Frasier movie that they've been advertising the living crap out of on TV made $7 Million. wow :lol
$36 Million in it's 6th Weekend FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!
The Harrison Ford/Brendan Frasier movie that they've been advertising the living crap out of on TV made $7 Million. wow :lol
A lot of people were saying that The Tooth Fairy had a good chance of knocking Avatar off this weekend. :lol
That would certainly have given ME more enjoyment. You can't doubt that that was a better (written) movie, right?
I'll give you the villains. But main character's are barely comparable. One is a do-good hippie fuck, while the other is a selfish, somewhat evil prick who only helps for his own gain really. Hell, he even betrays the alien after they helped him! Not Jake's "I didn't tell you". I'm talking knocks that fucker and steals his fucking ship and yells "FUCK YOU".That would certainly have given ME more enjoyment. You can't doubt that that was a better (written) movie, right?
D9 still had 2D villains and a human main character who starts out thinking aliens are nothing but stupid bugs but sympathizes with them and helps them in the end.
And a lot of the scenes in the first half, at District 9, were improvised.
I'll give you the villains. But main character's are barely comparable. One is a do-good hippie fuck, while the other is a selfish, somewhat evil prick who only helps for his own gain really. Hell, he even betrays the alien after they helped him! Not Jake's "I didn't tell you". I'm talking knocks that fucker and steals his fucking ship and yells "FUCK YOU".That would certainly have given ME more enjoyment. You can't doubt that that was a better (written) movie, right?
D9 still had 2D villains and a human main character who starts out thinking aliens are nothing but stupid bugs but sympathizes with them and helps them in the end.
And a lot of the scenes in the first half, at District 9, were improvised.
District 9 is totally the superior film. Totally. I loved Avatar. It was fucking incredible. But District 9 smacks it with its dick and cums on its lips as far as pure entertainment and writing goes.
Did you punch him in the jaw for mentioning Avatar in a conversation about John Carter of Mars, even if it was to hate on the former?
I've had an itch recently to see Avatar. I haven't seen it yet but it feels like I might be missing out. I'm trying to make sure I'm not a curmudgeon as I get into my mid-late 20s. Like I might be missing an event, regardless of whether it is overrated or not. I just can't be bothered to invest 2 1/2 hours to see it though.
Maybe I'll buy a ticket and walk out halfway through.
I've had an itch recently to see Avatar. I haven't seen it yet but it feels like I might be missing out. I'm trying to make sure I'm not a curmudgeon as I get into my mid-late 20s. Like I might be missing an event, regardless of whether it is overrated or not. I just can't be bothered to invest 2 1/2 hours to see it though.
Maybe I'll buy a ticket and walk out halfway through.
I've had an itch recently to see Avatar. I haven't seen it yet but it feels like I might be missing out. I'm trying to make sure I'm not a curmudgeon as I get into my mid-late 20s. Like I might be missing an event, regardless of whether it is overrated or not. I just can't be bothered to invest 2 1/2 hours to see it though.well this video review basically points out everything the movie does right or wrong, and it's honestly way more entertaining.
Maybe I'll buy a ticket and walk out halfway through.
[youtube=560,345]uJarz7BYnHA[/youtube]
[youtube=560,345]dLzKwTcGO_0[/youtube]
It represents a rejection of the "genre films are at the bottom of the artistic totem-pole" mindset. That much seems pretty clear.
But this isn't about whether top-notch genre movies get unfairly slighted by establishment criticism and awards committees, because Avatar isn't top-notch. It's a mediocre movie with good visuals and bad everything else.That's where a lot of people would disagree with you. I'm certainly not alone in saying that I felt that the story-telling, pacing, acting, characters and music were handled quite well. The conservationist, anti-corporatism, anti-military themes were fairly blunt at times, but outside of a few incidental lines of dialogue "shock and awe" "fight terror with terror," there was nothing too bad about them.
When someone says that Avatar is an objectively great movie despite the acting, plot, theme, and dialogue, it sounds like they're just making up the criteria as they go along to validate it (and by proxy validate their nerd habits as Real Art), rather than just saying "sure it was really cheesy, but I had a great time."What if someone says that Avatar is an objectively great movie and doesn't apologize for the acting, plot, theme and dialogue because he/she thought those aspects of the film were all pretty good?
QuoteWhen someone says that Avatar is an objectively great movie despite the acting, plot, theme, and dialogue, it sounds like they're just making up the criteria as they go along to validate it (and by proxy validate their nerd habits as Real Art), rather than just saying "sure it was really cheesy, but I had a great time."What if someone says that Avatar is an objectively great movie and doesn't apologize for the acting, plot, theme and dialogue because he/she thought those aspects of the film were all pretty good?
No, the consensus is that it's a well-told story that relies on traditional and possibly overused archetypes.No, it's shit. It goes for every emotional cheap shot in the book and yet it takes 3 hours tell the story. Even if you were entertained, and most people were, this movie doesn't do anything right that hasn't been done before.
I don't think something being "awesome" necessarily means that. Jackie Chan has starred in more awesome movies than anyone else, but I wouldn't consider any of them an artistic achievement.
But this isn't about whether top-notch genre movies get unfairly slighted by establishment criticism and awards committees, because Avatar isn't top-notch. It's a mediocre movie with good visuals and bad everything else.
When someone says that Avatar is an objectively great movie despite the acting, plot, theme, and dialogue, it sounds like they're just making up the criteria as they go along to validate it (and by proxy validate their nerd habits as Real Art), rather than just saying "sure it was really cheesy, but I had a great time."
smh GS, falling into this old trap again. Want me to repost that Pocahontas/Avatar jpeg so I can demolish your defense of the story before you can even start?
No, the consensus is that it's a well-told story that relies on traditional and possibly overused archetypes.
smh GS, falling into this old trap again. Want me to repost that Pocahontas/Avatar jpeg so I can demolish your defense of the story before you can even start?
So a story that's similar to something that's been done before can't be well-told?
Guess Romeo and Juliet was a real piece of crap then.
And regardless of whether or not you knew what the major plot points would be, I'm pretty certain you didn't know how those plot points would be implemented, which is an area where Avatar really shines.
But it's clear that you and I had different experiences in watching the film. That's fine. What isn't fine is you making statements like "Green Shinobi is less intelligent than the rest of us" because of the fact that I liked a film that you didn't like.
But it's clear that you and I had different experiences in watching the film. That's fine. What isn't fine is you making statements like "Green Shinobi is less intelligent than the rest of us" because of the fact that I liked a film that you didn't like.
Actually, the problem has always been that you've conflated your personal experience of a mediocre film with an objective account of that films actual worth. You refuse to acknowledge that you were entertained by a plot that is more or less a "straight-to-video" release for 12 year olds were it not for the visuals.
Let's just get the Rotten Tomatoes consensus out of the way: It might be more impressive on a technical level than as a piece of storytelling, but Avatar reaffirms James Cameron's singular gift for imaginative, absorbing filmmaking.
Stop taking "predictable plot" to mean "has no twists" please.
Avatar hews so close to a cliched formula that you can predict the roles, decisions, and interactions of the characters almost as soon as you meet them or before. That's what I mean by predictable and it's a bad thing for a movie of any genre. This is why we have the phrase "stock character" and it's generally not used as praise.
unseen, pre-alpha Avatar trailer
[youtube=560,345]UdIIqoDakHU[/youtube]
Stop taking "predictable plot" to mean "has no twists" please.
Avatar hews so close to a cliched formula that you can predict the roles, decisions, and interactions of the characters almost as soon as you meet them or before. That's what I mean by predictable and it's a bad thing for a movie of any genre. This is why we have the phrase "stock character" and it's generally not used as praise.
Oh please, like you didn't know Romeo and Juliet were going to kill themselves. I read that on the back cover of the cliff notes ::)
If you liked the Avatar review I would recommend his Star Wars Ep 1 review.
Or are you one of those people that thought Dark Knight should get an Oscar too?It was his movie of the decade or something equally insane
If you tried, you could do this for most movies.
When I watched it, I recognized the traditional archetypes, but I was still surprised by a lot of the things that happened in the movie. Perhaps that's because I wasn't trying at all to predict where the story would go, but was instead content to sit back and let it take me where it would.
The characters were for the most part quite lively and memorable in my opinion. The only real stock characters were the chief, Tsu-tey and some of the marines. The rest all had their own little quirks and twists to keep things interesting.
But it's clear that you and I had different experiences in watching the film. That's fine. What isn't fine is you making statements like "Green Shinobi is less intelligent than the rest of us" because of the fact that I liked a film that you didn't like.
Come on Shinobi why do you keep saying that this is a good movie? Even people that like it admit its a shitty movie but a nice experience. I mean are you going to buy it and watch it a couple of times? This is not Oscar material. Or are you one of those people that thought Dark Knight should get an Oscar too?
Wait wait wait...Green Shinobi wasn't comparing Romeo and Juliet to Avatar, even though he, uh...compared Romeo and Juliet to Avatar.
It was his movie of the decade or something equally insane
[youtube=560,345]LODkVkpaVQA[/youtube]
But it's clear that you and I had different experiences in watching the film. That's fine. What isn't fine is you making statements like "Green Shinobi is less intelligent than the rest of us" because of the fact that I liked a film that you didn't like.
Actually, the problem has always been that you've conflated your personal experience of a mediocre film with an objective account of that films actual worth. You refuse to acknowledge that you were entertained by a plot that is more or less a "straight-to-video" release for 12 year olds were it not for the visuals.
1) New Moon has like... zero redeeming qualities. Nothing about the film is done well. Avatar excels in many aspects of filmmaking.1)Of course millions, disagree. It doesn't mean that they're right.
2) The majority of people who were "moved" by New Moon fit into one specific demographic, while Avatar scored top marks in audience reviews across every single demographic.
3) New Moon appeals to a narrow set of emotions that are generally felt only by adolescents, whereas Avatar appeals to the senses of wonder, adventure and exploration that are pretty much universal (although it obviously didn't succeed in instilling these emotions in EVERY person who watched it).
someone, anyone, lock this thread.
I was perfectly happy to sit back and post box office data until Mandark wanted to have a discussion
Here's all the countries where Avatar has made more than $100 million:
China - $127 million
France - $134 million
Germany - $106 million
Russia - $101 million
United Kingdom - $105 million
United States - $595 million
Countries that will probably pass $100 million:
Austrailia - $84 million
Japan - $92 million
South Korea - $88 million
Spain - $82 million
I was perfectly happy to sit back and post box office data until Mandark wanted to have a discussionHere's all the countries where Avatar has made more than $100 million:
China - $127 million
France - $134 million
Germany - $106 million
Russia - $101 million
United Kingdom - $105 million
United States - $595 million
Countries that will probably pass $100 million:
Austrailia - $84 million
Japan - $92 million
South Korea - $88 million
Spain - $82 million
Avatar fans are the new Nintendo fans?
3) New Moon appeals to a narrow set of emotions that are generally felt only by adolescents, whereas Avatar appeals to the senses of wonder, adventure and exploration
Glen has hit a new low: etoilate is ragging on him.
Quote3) New Moon appeals to a narrow set of emotions that are generally felt only by adolescents, whereas Avatar appeals to the senses of wonder, adventure and exploration
are you serious
Then someone will go "Hahaha, this is worse than when Green Shinobi got owned over Avatar" and he'll hop in and say he was never owned and the cycle will start all over again.
Save myself from what, Raban?
Then someone will go "Hahaha, this is worse than when Green Shinobi got owned over Avatar" and he'll hop in and say he was never owned and the cycle will start all over again.
Is papyrus the new comic sans?
Explain why Avatar scored extremely highly across all demographics if the emotions it instills aren't universal?That doesn't mean that it is a good thing that it makes an emotional reaction in most people, it matters to me only WHY it made people gay for pandora. If you're content with it because you enjoyed it, then that means that you're judging it just as a genre movie. I think everybody who watched it can enjoy it if they turn their brain off and try to ignore the acting and writing, like in any other genre movie. What I don't get is why you think that a genre movie should be considered for Oscars. Even if it does what it tries to do, the bar is inherently set lower.
standard fair
Go ahead and disagree with me, but don't insult me for those opinions, because you'd be insulting a lot of people, including everyone's favorite critic Solo.
makes you a regular tosser, eh
I thought the story was told very well, it evoked a sense of wonder and adventure that few, if any, films have done before, its characters were lively and enjoyable, and as an example of visual storytelling it was unmatched by anything last year.
You can't say that something is objectively good or bad only if there's a universal consensus about that (ie: Europeans in the middle-ages believing showering was unhealthy). Avatar succeeded at what it actually tried at (visual orgasm) but that's all it aimed for. It did not try to entertain you with good writing or imposing performances. Those two things kind of make sense as a general requirement for any Best Picture nominee I think.But seriously, it'd be nice if GS could write anything in defense of the movie other than calling back to his own experience ("I enjoyed that part") or claiming validation from other people ("and so did they"). Talk about the movie itself, ferchrissakes.There is no objective truth when it comes to film review. Very few films have anything near a universal consensus. The best I can do is something like this:
Then someone will go "Hahaha, this is worse than when Green Shinobi got owned over Avatar" and he'll hop in and say he was never owned and the cycle will start all over again.
Oh man.
We should totally come up with some fictional past annihilation of Green Shinobi and make references to it.
Like he'll start arguing about something and then Willco would post "Oh God, this is going to be like the time that Patel annihilated you over Return of the King. Don't do it man!"
Then Green Shinobi would say "I don't remember getting annihilated" like he always does and the rest of us would chime in. "Dude, don't open it up again." "I remember that. So epic." Etc.
Eventually he'd start wondering if maybe it had really happened and would start chasing Patel around in other threads to get the last word in an argument that never existed, before going completely crazy and disappearing. Then Willco would write a script about it, and not give us a dime when he sold it on spec.
standard fair
One time I went to the Standard Fair and won an average prize at the regular ring toss.
The secondary characters like the nerdy scientist, Sigourney Weaver's character and Tsu-tey all had lots of personality and enough quirks to differentiate them from the stock characters that populate many works in the genre.
QuoteThe secondary characters like the nerdy scientist, Sigourney Weaver's character and Tsu-tey all had lots of personality and enough quirks to differentiate them from the stock characters that populate many works in the genre.
sheer gold
But mostly it's about Avatar.
I also can't remember the names of either of the two main marines in The Hurt Locker. I can't remember George Clooney's character's name in Up in the Air. Would you post the laughing smiley if I said something like "The main bomb defuser in The Hurt Locker was very well-written and well-acted"?
Because I imagine that most people who live in a wheelchair try to actually make sense of their situation rather than kick their heels and adopt a hippy lifestyle once they get their genetically-engineered Uhauls.Jake was very poorly written. Any real person who was crippled for several years would have too much self-respect to run around like that the moment they get their rental alien body. They would probably have less interest in running fast or flying or some BS because they're able to live with being in a wheelchair. That's an example of the shallow emotional cheap shots that this movie makes....
Seriously?
Words. I have none.
If you actually think that a paraplegic who could suddenly stretch his legs and run wouldn't do so, then seriously, there are no words.No, not when the doctors are telling him to sit down and are threatening him with sedatives.
Yes, I do. :-\
GS self-annihilation number whatever it is at this point.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to call him deep. I said that he had personality and was likable. You can accept that premise, can't you?
Raban, just shut the fuck up, honestly.
Anyway, I wasn't trying to call him deep. I said that he had personality and was likable. You can accept that premise, can't you?
omfg
I eyerolled more at the 12 Monkeys reference btw.
You are misusing "theme"
Movies that used detachment from their old life and adaptation to their new one as a THEME like Avatar are the ones everyone uses to troll it. Shoehorning in a brain-damage-related plot point of 12 Monkeys to avoid mentioning Dances with Wolves struck me as silly.
This is my point. You are conflating plot points with themes to avoid having to mention a movie that makes Avatar look bad. Though yes, Pocahontas is yet another better example than 12 Monkeys.
Cole (see, I know his name) suffers from BRAIN DAMAGE as a SYMPTOM of TIME TRAVELLING away from a place where he's IN JAIL. He's not being lured away from a life of relative comfort by a tribal mid-90s woman in Philly.
Jake was very poorly written. Any real person who was crippled for several years would have too much self-respect to run around like that the moment they get their rental alien body. They would probably have less interest in running fast or flying or some BS because they're able to live with being in a wheelchair. That's an example of the shallow emotional cheap shots that this movie makes.
Are you serious? I knew you where an idiot before but now you evolved to fucking distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.You don't care that a paraplegic wouldn't act anything like that? Hell, probably no person would act like Jake but especially not a paraplegic who was too poor to get new legs and had to be in a alien-clone rental body for some unbelievable reason.
Really? you think that a person who lost his ability to walk years ago and suddenly got it back wouldn't get excited and run? as someone with a paraplegic family member I'm telling you that you are completely wrong.As someone with SIX parapalegic family members I'm telling you that you are completely wrong! SIX! They're here right now shaking their head. They said they have more self respect than that. Toby said he might skip a bit. But that's all
Really? you think that a person who lost his ability to walk years ago and suddenly got it back wouldn't get excited and run? as someone with a paraplegic family member I'm telling you that you are completely wrong.As someone with SIX parapalegic family members I'm telling you that you are completely wrong! SIX! They're here right now shaking their head. They said they have more self respect than that. Toby said he might skip a bit. But that's all
Man, this thread is almost as bad as when Patel annihilated GS in the Return of the King thread. :-\
What the fuck are we talking about here?
Man, this thread is almost as bad as when Patel annihilated GS in the Return of the King thread. :-\
Remember that time when Green Shinobi said he liked Muse's The Resistance?
Remember that time when Willco got fired from his job for giving discounts under the table?
Not missing much.
Turned out Jinfash had photoshopped Willco's crotch onto whiteACID's body.
Not missing much.
Which ones?
If only he photoshopped Willco's chest onto her body.
The Smashing Pumpkins are a much better band than Muse.
Zeitgeist was just as bad as The Resistance.
Remember that time Green Shinobi sent PMs to unnamed users whining about what they posted in this thread?If only he photoshopped Willco's chest onto her body.
:rofl
The similarities between Avatar and Dances with Wolves and Pocahontas have already been described in depth and to exhaustion.
???
Man, this thread is almost as bad as when Patel annihilated GS in the Return of the King thread. :-\
It's common knowledge Lucas ripped off that shot from 2001.
It's common knowledge Lucas ripped off that shot from 2001. He also ripped off Tatooine from Frank Herbert's Arrakis. He ripped off a lot of shit from a lot of people.
And plotwise Star Wars isn't that similar to The Hidden Fortress, Lucas just borrowed the idea of the two peasants (who became Threepio and Artoo), and the general who was escorting the princess to safety.
Unlike those two peasants, though, Threepio and Artoo never tried to rape Princess Leia...that we know of. :omg
And plotwise Star Wars isn't that similar to The Hidden Fortress, Lucas just borrowed the idea of the two peasants (who became Threepio and Artoo), and the general who was escorting the princess to safety.
A girl asked me to go see Avatar tonight
WHAT DO I DO
Yeah, and he actually wanted Toshiro Mifune to play the Obi-Wan role which at that point was the equivalent of the general role he'd done in Hidden Fortress.
A girl asked me to go see Avatar tonight
WHAT DO I DO
A girl asked me to go see Avatar tonight
WHAT DO I DO
take her to go see The White Ribbon instead
you'll get so much ass after that
A girl asked me to go see Avatar tonight
WHAT DO I DO
Yeah, and he actually wanted Toshiro Mifune to play the Obi-Wan role which at that point was the equivalent of the general role he'd done in Hidden Fortress.
Some of the early drafts and art work for the Jedi were very Samurai-esque. I heard that he wanted them to speak Japanese at one point, too.
A girl asked me to go see Avatar tonight
WHAT DO I DO
A girl asked me to go see Avatar tonight
WHAT DO I DO
take her to go see The White Ribbon instead
you'll get so much ass after that
har diddle dee har har
Yeah, and he actually wanted Toshiro Mifune to play the Obi-Wan role which at that point was the equivalent of the general role he'd done in Hidden Fortress.
Some of the early drafts and art work for the Jedi were very Samurai-esque. I heard that he wanted them to speak Japanese at one point, too.
Nobody told me!
In order for a Na'vi to become a hunter and one of The People they must first
RAPE
a
SPACE DINOSAUR
with their
CYBEROPTIC PONYTAIL
...
...
...I guess that shit be mainstream, now.
Nobody told me!
In order for a Na'vi to become a hunter and one of The People they must first
RAPE
a
SPACE DINOSAUR
with their
CYBEROPTIC PONYTAIL
...
...
...I guess that shit be mainstream, now.
Still, you know what, it was okay. The first two hours were boring but competent, and the final battle was actually pretty enjoyable. Rent the Blu-ray and skip to the "Destruction of HomeTree" chapter - you'll enjoy that last hour.
Things that were dumb:
- Warpaint on a helicopter, lol.
Things that were dumb:
- Warpaint on a helicopter, lol.
That was there so that the Navi would know which helicopter NOT to attack.
Something I didn't mention but should have is that I didn't feel a single emotion, including wonder or adventure, until the last battle started. I recognize this because when I actually did become excited and invested in what was going on screen, it threw the previous two hours into sharp relief. The movie up to that point is like dating a girl who you think is okay and maybe you can work it out, whereas the last 45 minutes are the chick that REALLY does it for you and oh my God why were you even wasting your time, I know right?
Things that were dumb:
- Warpaint on a helicopter, lol.
That was there so that the Navi would know which helicopter NOT to attack.
Yeah, I figured it was there for the audience to visually distinguish it, too. Still pretty silly.
Something I didn't mention but should have is that I didn't feel a single emotion, including wonder or adventure, until the last battle started. I recognize this because when I actually did become excited and invested in what was going on screen, it threw the previous two hours into sharp relief. The movie up to that point is like dating a girl who you think is okay and maybe you can work it out, whereas the last 45 minutes are the chick that REALLY does it for you and oh my God why were you even wasting your time, I know right?
Something I didn't mention but should have is that I didn't feel a single emotion, including wonder or adventure, until the last battle started. I recognize this because when I actually did become excited and invested in what was going on screen, it threw the previous two hours into sharp relief. The movie up to that point is like dating a girl who you think is okay and maybe you can work it out, whereas the last 45 minutes are the chick that REALLY does it for you and oh my God why were you even wasting your time, I know right?
You weren't excited by the giant panther thing chasing Jake near the beginning or thrilled by the flight scenes? Not at all?
Pandora looked amazing, I can't deny that, but I hate how Cameron has put so much work into creating it that he tried FORCING the audience to appreciate every detail. You had characters first getting hyped to see a place ("OH MY GOD WE'RE GOING TO THE HALLELUJAH MOUNTAINS", a moment later music that is so desperate to invoke awe starts playing, then if that wasn't enough every human in that scene would go in slow mo "AWWWW WOW". I hate it when a director's attempt to manipulate the feelings of the audience is so blatantly obvious with no hint of subtlety. I mean give me a moment to appreciate that myself without having the on-screen actors directing me how I should react.
Edit: I don't have time to proof read my review, if anyone has any problems with my spelling and grammar... go pleasure your rear with your bare fist.lawl *two thumbs up*
I think the theater in walking distance is only going to show Avatar for a couple more weeks. If I don't see it before then, I'll probably never see it.
I scored around 160 on the IQ test, dude. Prole is the only person on this forum that I KNOW scored higher.
God, the film discussion in this place has fallen so far since TVC left.
I scored around 160 on the IQ test, dude. Prole is the only person on this forum that I KNOW scored higher.
:rofl
God, the film discussion in this place has fallen so far since TVC left.
You just think so because your IQ is lower than Glen Shinobi's.
Green Shinobi has to be trolling us all. There is no other explanation :lol
Pretty sure it's not the place of a 22 year old virgin, an overweight hack writer and a guy who got swindled by Himuro to call my intellect into question. :smug
The only person he knows with a higher IQ is Prole. How? I do not know.
(Also, Prole is not the only MENSA candidate that posts here.)
Green Shinobi has to be trolling us all. There is no other explanation :lol
Yes there is, you just don't have an IQ high enough to understand it. :greenshinobi
The only person he knows with a higher IQ is Prole. How? I do not know.
(Also, Prole is not the only MENSA candidate that posts here.)
He's the only one Glen Shinobi recognizes as an intellectual equal.
Which is kind of an insult to Prole IMO. :lol
Green Shinobi considers Solo to be on par with him intellectually? Why am I not surprised? :lol
Avatar will get a Best Picture nom, Im sure of that. Will or or should it win? Of course not.
Its the most rousingly successful spectacle feature Ive ever seen, and the emotional moments work, in spite of Cameron's dialogue. The films flaws lie wholly on paper. The spectacle is, well, spectacular, and the actors for the most part do well do lift their characters above what was obviously hollow on paper.
In short, nothing has changed since the first day this released: weak screenplay, awesomesauce everything else. Of course, a weak script is usually the killer, but in an event movie like this, its easier to relax your standards.
I don't discuss film with anyone who has an IQ lower than 160./
"Green Shinobi, I hope you're ready for your spanking!"/
well as much as I hate to throw more fuel on this fire, since you asked:
I would say that someone who likes Avatar as much as you and Solo do probably hasn't seen that many movies, played that many games, or read that many books.
And you'd be right about the games part, but wrong about everything else. What then?
(http://i45.tinypic.com/15n0ie0.png)
Like this?
Would you just admit that people have different opinions and leave it at that, as I have been advocating all along?
I would say, "You asked me what explanation I would give and I gave it, my work here is done!"
Then I would go home from work!
So I would ask you: what explanation would you give for someone who has read a lot of books and watched a lot of movies and still thinks Avatar is worthy of a Best Picture nomination?
Would you just admit that people have different opinions and leave it at that, as I have been advocating all along?
Sure, lots of people have lots of different opinions! But some of those opinions are wrong.
Do you think "Shakespeare was a hack and in 2010 we shouldn't pay any attention to his plays" is a valid opinion? It's certainly an opinion some people hold.
How likely is it that anyone who has actually read a lot of Shakespeare and studied the art of writing would ever have an opinion like that?
as the sole forum poster who has an announced iq over 160, i would like to offer my thoughts on this whole ridiculous spectacleBrevity is the soul of wit.spoiler (click to show/hide)uguu~spoiler (click to show/hide)[close][close]
Can someone with an IQ of 160 or more explain to me wtf is this suppose to be? :usavich
There's nothing worse than trying to have a mature discussion with a medium intellect. I don't know why Patel & co. keep trying.
:lol :lol :lol
I scored around 160 on the IQ test, dude. Prole is the only person on this forum that I KNOW scored higher.
Also, you're the last person who should lecture anyone on mature discussions.
The last two pages of this thread wouldn't have happened if Ichirou hadn't made yet another post bashing my intelligence based on one of my opinions, but somehow he's a great poster, and I'm the trolling asshole who needs to take a break for awhile.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/15n0ie0.png)
actually, i know a dude with a ridiculous iq who is homeless and crazy
just sayin's all
The last two pages of this thread wouldn't have happened if Ichirou hadn't made yet another post bashing my intelligence based on one of my opinions, but somehow he's a great poster, and I'm the trolling asshole who needs to take a break for awhile.
You need to learn how to not take everything so personal. It's the internet.
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. If this is how you are on the internet, I'd be very afraid to ever meet you in real life.
I'll have you know that I subscribe to Reader's Digest!/
After Patel and Jinfash gave their reviews and started bringing the mad incitez, I kinda thought it would turn into a "people who haven't invested their sense of worth into Avatar talk about the movie" thread.
I feel like watching Dances With Wolves again. That was such a beautiful movie. But I dunno if I can watch Mary McDonnell without thinking of Battlestar Galactica now.
Watch Robocop. THE FUTURE OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. BTW, do you know if the Aronofsky remake/reboot is still happening? The second and third movies were abortions (the second one was partial birth since it still had some decent scenes amidst the crap), so I wouldn't mind someone as talented as Aronofsky putting his own stamp on what's basically a dead franchise.
actually, i know a dude with a ridiculous iq who is homeless and crazy
just sayin's all
Individuals with high IQs are not immune to mental illness, including furrydom.
ROBOCOP.
ROBOCOP.
This man has a 160 IQ. LISTEN TO HIM.
i think it was 181, not 183, and it was measured when i was 8ish, as i recall
i was pretty good at maths :-[
I think I hit 140, or 144 as a kid, something around there.
Fucking an alien chick > fucking a suicidal chick.
If there's anyone on this forum who is qualified to make that judgment call, it's me.spoiler (click to show/hide)And maybe the $20 nachos guy?[close]
I think I hit 140, or 144 as a kid, something around there.
You were a heavy child. :smug
Never got tested that I know of.
I do wonder if one of those standardized tests I took in elementary school (there were so many they blurred together even back then) was actually an IQ test that they file away in case I kill someone and claim mental distinguished mentally-challenged to avoid the gas chamber.
Never got tested that I know of.
I do wonder if one of those standardized tests I took in elementary school (there were so many they blurred together even back then) was actually an IQ test that they file away in case I kill someone and claim mental distinguished mentally-challenged to avoid the gas chamber.
You could say something similar happened to me. Then I dragged Disposable White Guy into my seedy world!
... I was talking to an old acquaintance from high school over Facebook, and we came to the stunning realization that FOUR of the people in our social circle are now dead.
(It didn't help that my best friend was a drug dealer.)
Is it better than Unforgiven?
Is it better than Unforgiven?
Yes, but that's not saying much. In a bad/good scale between say, Blade Runner and Forrest Gump, I'd say Avatar falls closer to Gump
good side of course. Blade Runner is pretty bad. At least Avatar is entertaining
The book is pretty awesome. Don't know why they decided to fuck up the movie with confusing mumbo jumbo. And bad acting/writing.
You know, all that bullshit
You know, all that bullshit
No, I don't know. What are you talking about?
You know, all that bullshit
No, I don't know. What are you talking about?
Blade Runner
good side of course. Blade Runner is pretty bad. At least Avatar is entertaining
Man, at least Glen Shinobi is somewhat knowledgeable about film.
It's just synthesizers. Reminds me of that Paul McCarthy song :piss2
My sister does that with the original Star Wars movies.
"Oh, I've never seen them and have no desire to. :smug"
I haven't seen the original trilogy, and from the prequel trilogy I've only seen TPM, how sad is that?
How can you hate on the Ewoks? They brought us YUB NUB.
ENDING SPOILERZ FOR JINFASH
[youtube=560,345]np6vAuS0KNs[/youtube]
There are only two good Star Wars movies and Lucas only directed one of them. :(
Was there ever any doubt?
None of the prequel movies are good, so it's not worth even discussing which one is the "least bad."
I haven't seen the original trilogy, and from the prequel trilogy I've only seen TPM, how sad is that?
The Empire Strikes Back > Moon, District 9
Real talk.
Juno > The Empire Strikes Back.
The Vangelis soundtrack is pretty shit.
yeah blade runner ost is godly, wtf Ichirou?
even 1492's soundtrack was fuck awesome.
[youtube=560,345]GtmlAaybIEs[/youtube]
Vangelis :bow2
Real talk.
Vangelis is no Wendy Carlos.
Wendy Carlos also did Clockwork Orange, and very few, if any, scores are so perfectly fit for the movie they are in.
:piss Vangelis :piss2
As much as I like the Blade Runner soundtrack, I can separate the movie from it.
Ridley Scott needs to re-release Blade Runner with an orchestral score. Like he did with the Legend DVD. Get John Williams or Hans Zimmer to do it.
No, not the author of the book. Even if the movie is good viewed alone, it screws up the point of the original since it's based on the American version of ACO and the editors of that one actually cut out the last chapter where Alex sees the flaws of his mentality. They eventually re-released a "full" version of the book in America and that was the one I read, it really makes no sense to the story to leave out that last chapter. Nobody would write something like this and not have a point where the main character realizes that everything he's thinking is wrong.I hate to say this, but people think A Clockwork Orange is good? It's so crap compared to the book.Almost everyone thinks the movie is good. They are two different animals, both brilliant in their own way.
like, it's a silly ass movie, but it does a terrible job of adapting the novel.
Maybe he was trying to make a different point, nintenho.It wasn't intentional. Kubrick said that he didn't read the original version until he finished the screenplay and so he never gave serious consideration to putting in the last chapter. To me, it makes no sense to show a character like this in a world like this and not show him wanting redemption at the end. Other people might think that's a cliffhanger but it's not intentional.
No, not the author of the book. Even if the movie is good viewed alone, it screws up the point of the original since it's based on the American version of ACO and the editors of that one actually cut out the last chapter where Alex sees the flaws of his mentality. They eventually re-released a "full" version of the book in America and that was the one I read, it really makes no sense to the story to leave out that last chapter. Nobody would write something like this and not have a point where the main character realizes that everything he's thinking is wrong.I hate to say this, but people think A Clockwork Orange is good? It's so crap compared to the book.Almost everyone thinks the movie is good. They are two different animals, both brilliant in their own way.
like, it's a silly ass movie, but it does a terrible job of adapting the novel.
I mean, I don't blame Kubrick or anything not having that last chapter kind of misses any point that you could make with this story. In the re-released version of the book, Burgess has a note in the beginning mentioning everything about this and makes it completely clear that the movie/American version basically had no point. That sort of matters.
I always thought the fact that ACO "had no point" so to speak was actually the point of the movie. Didn't even know there was a book. My dad introduced me to the movie when I was like 14.I actually thought that about halfway through the book (and I was also 14) but then you start seeing how it's all about free will and nature of evil people is based on psychopathy and it really makes sense at the end where he questions his destructive actions and considers being a productive member of society. Some teens will just see the first person narration of a bunch sex and violence and just think "OMG 1T SPEEKS TO MEEEE!" but that's bullshit.
Maybe he was trying to make a different point, nintenho.It wasn't intentional. Kubrick said that he didn't read the original version until he finished the screenplay and so he never gave serious consideration to putting in the last chapter. To me, it makes no sense to show a character like this in a world like this and not show him wanting redemption at the end. Other people might think that's a cliffhanger but it's not intentional.
yeah that's a horrible word for it but to make it seem uncertain what happens to Alex.Maybe he was trying to make a different point, nintenho.It wasn't intentional. Kubrick said that he didn't read the original version until he finished the screenplay and so he never gave serious consideration to putting in the last chapter. To me, it makes no sense to show a character like this in a world like this and not show him wanting redemption at the end. Other people might think that's a cliffhanger but it's not intentional.
The movie doesn't end on a cliffhanger, wtf....
Did Stephen King or Anthony Burgess ever win an Oscar? Yeah, didn't think so. :smug
[youtube=560,345]ls6IwEG0FYM[/youtube]
:bow Vangelis :bow2
Ridley Scott needs to re-release Blade Runner with an orchestral score. Like he did with the Legend DVD. Get John Williams or Hans Zimmer to do it.(http://imgur.com/9ARLd.jpg)
Ridley Scott needs to re-release Blade Runner with an orchestral score. Like he did with the Legend DVD. Get John Williams or Hans Zimmer to do it.(http://imgur.com/9ARLd.jpg)
:bow King :bow2Did Stephen King or Anthony Burgess ever win an Oscar? Yeah, didn't think so. :smug
One of Stephen King's best-known books contains a scene where a group of barely-pubescent boys run a train on a barely-pubescent girl. And the whole thing is supposed to be some kind of bonding experience. That, to me, is far worse than any furry shit.
Hans Zimmer, sure. John Williams? :-X
Hans Zimmer, sure. John Williams? :-X
John Williams hate? I've finally seen everything there is to see on the internet
Pleb.Ridley Scott needs to re-release Blade Runner with an orchestral score. Like he did with the Legend DVD. Get John Williams or Hans Zimmer to do it.(http://imgur.com/9ARLd.jpg)
smh
Would watching it in 3D turn it into a good movie?It'd turn it into an Oscar contender!
The pilot chick painted her face blue before the battle. This movie is distinguished mentally-challenged.
The pilot chick painted her face blue before the battle. This movie is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Just so we're clear: did you also find it distinguished mentally-challenged when William Wallace did it?
Also, just so we're clear: did you think about the fact that the paint might have been so that the Na'vi could distinguish her and her ship from the hundred identical ships on the other side?
The ship was painted. So why did she have to paint her face too GS? Was it so that in case she crashed, and in case she lived, and in case a group of na'vi who didn't know her came across her, then they would think "O a blue face, she must be with us. Either that or she is distinguished mentally-challenged and should be left alone". Was that why GS?
Almost every movie, book or piece of music is a big mishmash of other peoples ideas.
The pilot chick painted her face blue before the battle. This movie is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Just so we're clear: did you also find it distinguished mentally-challenged when William Wallace did it?
Also, just so we're clear: did you think about the fact that the paint might have been so that the Na'vi could distinguish her and her ship from the hundred identical ships on the other side?
William Wallace was not flying a helicopter. QED.
The pilot chick painted her face blue before the battle. This movie is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Just so we're clear: did you also find it distinguished mentally-challenged when William Wallace did it?
Also, just so we're clear: did you think about the fact that the paint might have been so that the Na'vi could distinguish her and her ship from the hundred identical ships on the other side?
William Wallace was not flying a helicopter. QED.
For some reason, I thought this line was hilarious.
The pilot chick painted her face blue before the battle. This movie is distinguished mentally-challenged.
Just so we're clear: did you also find it distinguished mentally-challenged when William Wallace did it?
Also, just so we're clear: did you think about the fact that the paint might have been so that the Na'vi could distinguish her and her ship from the hundred identical ships on the other side?
William Wallace was not flying a helicopter. QED.
For some reason, I thought this line was hilarious.
I did too. In fact I was very seriously thinking about facebooking it and pretending I had said it.
Do it.
That reminds me that the "sciencey" words were astonishingly distinguished mentally-challenged. "flux vortex", "unobtainium".
That reminds me that the "sciencey" words were astonishingly distinguished mentally-challenged. "flux vortex", "unobtainium".
Both of those are actual technical terms.
Who the fuck is Wes Borland? Did you just make that name up?
In what terms then is Romeo and Juliet not better?
i wonder how much it would have changed the story if mel had decided to make willie wallace fly a chopper.
Like sometype of crazy ass wooden helicopter?
I'm waiting for Drinky to declare his love for Avatar here.
To be fair, while those are real words, they still sound stupid. Xiphoid is a real word, but nobody is tripping over themselves to use it to describe a swordfish.
I'm waiting for Drinky to declare his love for Avatar here.
Drinky saw Avatar and liked it?
Link?
Drinky and Green Shinobi together - they would make the world's finest team.
Either way, this discussion is ridiculous. It's turned into a troll-fest with personal attacks being thrown around, and why? Because I said that the film that won Best Picture for 1997 deserved its award? Because I don't agree that some other film got robbed?
Green Shinobi comparing Titanic to The Masque of the Red Death in the other thread :rofl:lol :lol :lol
Seriously, he sounds like a middle-aged housewife who once upon a time got a liberal arts degree and is now set on using what hazy memories she still has of her college days to prove that her soaps qualify as "art."
Why even acknowledge him? I'm reading the start of that 'discussion' now and GS is trying so hard to make a fight it's pathetic. He brings it up, then 15 posts go up about Inglourious Basterds, then he throws in "durrr btw I used to hate Titanic and now I love it! Please respond!"
cumbutt
the fact remains that melodramas don't sweep awards ceremonies and have their screenplays nominated for WGA Awards
Just off the top of my head, there's Love Story and The Greatest Show on Earth and Crash and A Beautiful Mind and hell, Slumdog Millionaire won last year. Awards shows and the academy award melodramas all the flipping time. I'm a Titanic apologist - I :heart that movie to death - but it's a melodrama! It is, it totally completely is.
Just off the top of my head, there's Love Story and The Greatest Show on Earth and Crash and A Beautiful Mind and hell, Slumdog Millionaire won last year. Awards shows and the academy award melodramas all the flipping time. I'm a Titanic apologist - I :heart that movie to death - but it's a melodrama! It is, it totally completely is.
See? GS just had a vague idea of melodrama as a pejorative, and has to defend something he likes.
How much better would it been if he had said "I dunno a lot about melodramas" rather than making a stand? I think about this much better. *holds hands two feet apart*
See? GS just had a vague idea of melodrama as a pejorative, and has to defend something he likes.
How much better would it been if he had said "I dunno a lot about melodramas" rather than making a stand? I think about this much better. *holds hands two feet apart*
Just off the top of my head, there's Love Story and The Greatest Show on Earth and Crash and A Beautiful Mind and hell, Slumdog Millionaire won last year. Awards shows and the academy award melodramas all the flipping time. I'm a Titanic apologist - I :heart that movie to death - but it's a melodrama! It is, it totally completely is.
What is your definition of melodrama? Maybe I just can't shake the idea I have that melodrama automatically equals shitty. I'll give you Crash, but I don't think of A Beautiful Mind or Slumdog as melodramas either.
No, I know exactly how melodrama is defined.
A melodrama is just a movie that lays it on thicker than it needs to be - rather than letting the story speak for itself, it's manipulative of the audience's emotions. It can be a good movie or a bad movie, but the director is willing to push all the buttons - twice - to make sure that the audience is feeling exactly what they're supposed to.
Really? Then why did you take the definition given on the Wikipedia page?
Really? Then why did you take the definition given on the Wikipedia page?
Because I wanted to show how the film by definition wasn't a melodrama?
That and A Knight's Tale made me think Paul Bettany was cool (too cool for those movies). I heard he was up for the lead in Kingdom of Heaven but the studio wanted a bankable star so they told Scott to go with Orlando Bloom instead.
Kingdom of Heaven is amazing, but imagine how much better it would've been with a competent lead actor.
That and A Knight's Tale made me think Paul Bettany was cool (too cool for those movies). I heard he was up for the lead in Kingdom of Heaven but the studio wanted a bankable star so they told Scott to go with Orlando Bloom instead.
Kingdom of Heaven is amazing, but imagine how much better it would've been with a competent lead actor.
God, a Paul Bettany Kingdom of Heaven would really have been unbelievably awesome.
That and A Knight's Tale made me think Paul Bettany was cool (too cool for those movies).
Pretty similar roles, in that they're both supporting characters who are meant to bring an irreverent energy that the main character won't. It's tricky, cause if you cast someone without the charisma to pull it off then they get very irritating, very quickly.
Mandark, it's possible that I go a little overboard sometimes. But why is everyone willing to cut Ichirou so much slack when his posts in these threads are far more mean-spirited, far more personal, and represent far less of a genuine attempt to argue an actual opinion?
Or the hairy guy from Notting Hill (Rhys Ifans?).
I heard he was up for the lead in Kingdom of Heaven but the studio wanted a bankable star so they told Scott to go with Orlando Bloom instead.
People finally figured out the guy can't act, I guess. :lol
They made the mistake of thinking that Bloom was a bankable star because he'd been in a bunch of hits, but the truth is, he wasn't the reason those movies were hits in the first place.
They weren't the only studio to make that mistake - I mean, around the same time Bloom was in a bunch of shit that flopped. Elizabethtown, Ned Kelly, Troy, etc. Now they're not even bringing him back for the next Pirates of the Caribbean. :teehee
I thought the cinematography was stunning. Bloom was as flat as a pancake throughout. I think i'll wait until I've completely forgotten the original (shouldn't be long now), and take a 2nd run at it with fresh eyes.
I really want to see the mental map GS has formed of this thread: wherein he has owned us all repeatedly and mercilessly and not once have we admitted that O! we are slain. But in our hearts, we know that GS owned us, and he knows that we know he owned us. And that's why he's so :smug
- Continue Noble Quest To Lower Film Standards
- Convince Internet That It's Met Its Match In Green Shinobi
- Compare Jamie Foxx Vehicle Stealth To Goethe's Faust
So the other day I was watching Avatar and realized it has so many parallels to Dances with Wolves. :greenshinobi
ITT, Ichirou displays a complete inability to separate plot elements from thematic elements. More to come.
(http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v426/n6968/images/426776a-f1.2.jpg)
(http://img.youtube.com/vi/k0xgjUhEG3U/0.jpg)
I can now safely say that I'm far more open to the rapture than I ever was before.