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Title: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 11:17:46 AM
Tried to search. Hope I'm not the only one in years.

A few classics?!?
Pod People
Prince of Space
Space Mutiny
Time Chasers
Overdrawn at the Memory Bank
Hobgoblins
Final Sacrifice

RT:
The Bourne Identity
Independence Day
High School Musical*
Daredevil
Twilight

*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuC7TB09jHA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IgSxFvHg9s
spoiler (click to show/hide)
London Calling is amazing.
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And because I know you want it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G--VfuI0fNs
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 11:21:15 AM
Radar Secret Service
Anything with Gamera or Godzilla
Time of the Apes
Mitchell
Fugitive Alien
Manos: The Hands of Fate
Wild World of Batwoman

Or I could just name all 197 episodes.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 11:23:45 AM
Another fav:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Naix-f6KSIg

16:15ish:
spoiler (click to show/hide)
HAHA! Manslaughter!
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Should post more shorts.
Or I could just name all 197 episodes.
:lol Yes. I left out Manos and Mitchell because I assumed everyone started with those. Then just picked a few instead.

Some of the shorts are beyond amazing.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 11:26:46 AM
Hired! is probably my favorite short of all:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cH35ChHmyyI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1m1UHOWAD8
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 11:33:45 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woIsarfEyyw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cn00ynJaOrk
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2012, 11:34:04 AM
There are some decent rifftrax. Birdemic. The Harry Potter movies seem to bring out the best in them. But sadly rifftrax tends to pale in comparison to mst3k. The jokes simply aren't as clever and the references are a bit lazy and too modern.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2012, 11:36:51 AM
My favorite short.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drHQZdw_s0g
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 11:39:09 AM
There are some decent rifftrax. Birdemic. The Harry Potter movies seem to bring out the best in then. But sadly rifftrax tends to pale in comparison to mst3k. The jokes simply aren't as clever and the references are a bit lazy and too modern.

Most of the Rifftrax shorts are still great and I do like when they take on older movies [like the recently released Neutron: The Atomic Superman vs. The Death Robots].

But, yeah, it's clear that they don't have the kind of budget they did with MST3K and have less writers. And it's just not quite the same without the silhouettes and the actors playing characters.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 11:43:15 AM
There are some decent rifftrax. Birdemic. The Harry Potter movies seem to bring out the best in then. But sadly rifftrax tends to pale in comparison to mst3k. The jokes simply aren't as clever and the references are a bit lazy and too modern.
Yeah, it's not as good, I like it when all three get together though or so. I've watched a number and struggled to find five. Rise of Planet of the Apes is solid too.

I think the show had everyone (Mary Jo, etc.), and these only have the three or so writing. Though they do a bit of improvising now.

I do like hearing them again. They made me enjoy Avatar.
But, yeah, it's clear that they don't have the kind of budget they did with MST3K and have less writers. And it's just not quite the same without the silhouettes and the actors playing characters.
Beaten.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2012, 11:45:05 AM
It boggles my mind with the proliferation of cable channels that nobody will pay them to do a modern mst3k.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 11:47:47 AM
You'd think SyFy would be on board with it.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 09, 2012, 12:04:26 PM
Favorites:

Time Chasers
Hobgoblins
Boggy Creek II: and The Legend Continues
Overdrawn at the Memory Bank
Hercules Against The Moon Men
Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
Soultaker
Future War
Werewolf
Mitchel
Final Justice
Warrior of the Lost World
Touch of Satan
Space Mutiny
Laserblast
Merlins Shop of Mystical Wonders
Master Ninja I
Master Ninja II
Girl in Gold Boots
Angels Revenge
The Final Sacrifice
Godzilla vs Megalon (pulled from DVD sets) :*(
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 09, 2012, 12:10:20 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdE0f5Hj7xw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tIg9Xpu9hs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYd9bb2hVyU
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 12:12:28 PM
Boggy Creek II: and The Legend Continues
Snap into a slim jim!
Quote
Touch of Satan
This is where the fish lives!
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 12:18:08 PM
My favorite short.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drHQZdw_s0g
Now, how does someone become, as you say, a housewife?
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 09, 2012, 12:18:59 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFiB3e3_J4
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 09, 2012, 12:20:26 PM
Girl in Gold Boots had the most hilarious editing ever
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Eel O'Brian on August 09, 2012, 12:22:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Ic5OlGtVq1g#t=1255s
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 12:27:29 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TFiB3e3_J4

Critter!
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 09, 2012, 12:49:53 PM
The Half in the bag guys at this point are the closest to the spirit of the mst3k guys even though what they do is more about reviews than riffing.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1C7UCMmF5g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMsdt_vKJIY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu02VSsLorE
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 12:53:12 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMsdt_vKJIY

Rifftrax actually did that whole movie:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWl43_jCAxE
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 09, 2012, 01:11:51 PM
(http://sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/s720x720/484052_4435593853237_1592896266_n.jpg)

My corkboard at work lol- if I ever get moved to a cubicle i'll have wallpaper. I have the little tom/crow/gypsy figures that sold with dvd sets at launch too.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2012, 01:27:12 PM
MST3K and Domo-kun, a match made in heaven. :bow2
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MrAngryFace on August 09, 2012, 01:28:28 PM
I keep this crap at work so I don't look like HUGE NERDFACE anywhere else
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: bork on August 09, 2012, 01:38:15 PM
The names they kept giving to the protagonist in Space Mutiny always made me crack up.   :lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFHlJ2voJHY
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Slab Bulkhead
 Fridge Largemeat
   Punt Speedchunk
  Butch Deadlift
   Bold Bigflank

 Splint Chesthair
  Flint Ironstag
   Bolt Vanderhuge
  Thick McRunfast
  Blast Hardcheese

   Buff Drinklots
  Trunk Slamchest
   Fist Rockbone
  Stump Beefgnaw
  Smash Lampjaw

  Punch Rockgroin
   Buck Plankchest
  Stump Chunkman
   Dirk Hardpeck
    Rip Steakface

  Slate Slabrock
   Crud Bonemeal
  Brick Hardmeat
    Rip Sidecheek
  Punch Sideiron

Gristle McThornBody
  Slake Fistcrunch
   Buff Hardback
    Bob Johnson
  Blast Thickneck

 Crunch Buttsteak
   Slab Squatthrust
   Lump Beefrock
  Touch Rustrod
   Reef Blastbody

    Big McLargeHuge
  Smoke Manmuscle
   Beat Punchbeef
   Pack Blowfist
   Roll Fizzlebeef
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Enl on August 09, 2012, 02:03:10 PM
The Rifftrax version of Santa and the Ice Cream Bunny is quite possibly the best thing they've done since the MST3K years (also it's one of the few rifftrax available on DVD). The film is very much Manos: The Hands of Fate but for children. It may even be worse than Manos since it supports Furry unions.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_i4vVakMhIs
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 02:09:17 PM
Rifftrax has a live event coming up next week featuring Manos: The Hands of Fate. Should be great!
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on August 09, 2012, 06:49:15 PM
Werewolf is my favorite. I havent listened to any Rifftrax though.

I was downloading all the MST3K Episodes via warez bb but never finished it. I should though.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 09, 2012, 07:31:28 PM
Rifftrax has a live event coming up next week featuring Manos: The Hands of Fate. Should be great!

And they do it at the theatre two blocks away from me :hyper
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 09, 2012, 08:44:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sMSzF_HD48

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rmPeNopnTQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeOjJ0uMt0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qVWwFmdOIA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AA0ZUaVmqg
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 09, 2012, 09:07:31 PM
The Rifftrax version of Santa and the Ice Cream Bunny is quite possibly the best thing they've done since the MST3K years (also it's one of the few rifftrax available on DVD). The film is very much Manos: The Hands of Fate but for children. It may even be worse than Manos since it supports Furry unions.

"Oh Mr. Bird, you're the only wild animal that never tried to marry me."
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 10:05:33 AM
Watched Riding with Death.

I was actually kinda involved in the film for the first half.

It's apparently two episodes of some TV show mashed together into a "film" with a character who randomly disappears watching half of the second half on a screen. And some guy gets a mustache suddenly in the middle of the movie.  :lol
The names they kept giving to the protagonist in Space Mutiny always made me crack up.   :lol
A friend and I spent a few weeks using these as our Steam names and seeing if anyone on TF2/DoD:S servers would notice them.

About 90% success rate.

Bob Johnson actually got a hit though.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2012, 11:31:20 AM
Riding with death is absolutely one of my favorite episodes. Especially the elusive as roger denby stuff. It's funny how sometimes the plot of the movie (or tv show) is actually interesting enough in an odd way to keep me entertained. Riding with death was that way. Same with The Deadly Bees.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 11:38:03 AM
Yeah, some of these you can tell it was just like budget or something that derailed them. And I think Riding With Death being a TV show the plot was more concise.

It's not like the disaster that is Monster A Go Go.  :lol

Thought it had some really good jokes and such, perfect sniping. The "patent papers" are one of my favorite running gags now. "My patent papers are at a slight angle Sam, what's going on?!?"

Surprised this episode hasn't shown up in more "best of" lists or collections.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2012, 11:42:29 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UosASE5JcT4

spoiler (click to show/hide)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zR7CaVhpl6s
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Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2012, 11:43:43 AM
One of my other favorite thing about MST3k versus Rifftrax is the perfect way they delivered the lines in mst3k. They acted the riffs perfectly. It all just seems so lazy in rifftrax by comparison. Especially Mike who was great about delivering lines in MST3k but the way he just phones it in for rifftrax just annoys me. He always uses the same inflection in his voice to do the line deliveries on rifftrax.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 11:58:35 AM
I don't think they really go over and plan things out on Rifftrax, more like they all watch the movie seperately, write some jokes and then do a viewing to record. I remember reading somewhere that they'd watch the MST3K movies way too many times, especially after The Sidehackers incident. Plus they'd film it.

Mike is better imo in the Rifftrax with Bill and Kevin, and I think that's why they started to be brought on more than originally. (Even just one of them to play off of does wonders.)
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2012, 12:11:29 PM
A Boy of Mexico: Juan and His Donkey may be one of the best things Rifftrax has done. Just so many great lines and I really wish I could find some of them on Youtube.

http://www.rifftrax.com/shorts/boy-mexico-juan-and-his-donkey
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 12:24:36 PM
The director of Soultaker wrote a review on IMDB:
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I'm Michael Rissi and I directed this picture. I was fresh out of USC film school and was brought on to direct SOULTAKER after the first director was fired when I was 23 years old. Well, making this movie was both an interesting experience and rather gut-wrenching, to be perfectly honest.

I counted something like 3 or 4 catastrophes per day while we were making the movie - from raging thunderstorms with electrical blackouts to a picture car that WOULD NOT START (that's the one that crashes in the movie) to a guy who climbed up into a huge tree while we were shooting at the "SummerFest" location who would not come down, but instead yelled obscenities for HOURS to disrupt us until a fire engine crew showed up and tried in vain for several more hours to get him down and take him away. Whole days during the production were lost for reasons like this. It was truly crazy.

As you can imagine, I have read reviews of SOULTAKER with a mixture of curious interest, dread, and some puzzlement. You certainly take your jabs in this business whether you like it or not and though I was hardly more than a kid when I directed this movie, it has taken on a life of its own.

Ironically, SOULTAKER actually won the BEST VIDEO of the YEAR award in 1991from the famed ACADEMY OF SCIENCE FICTION FANTASY AND HORROR headed by its founder Dr. Donald Reed. I have a Saturn Award sitting on my mantel to prove it. All the official Video Guides gave the movie 2 1/2 out of 4 stars (this was BEFORE the producers sold the rights to MST3K to make fun of it.) MST3K then edited the movie for their own ends, and ever since the movie's ratings have naturally plummeted.

To backtrack, the SCI FI CHANNEL originally presented SOULTAKER as one of its Planetary Premieres in its original form, UNCUT except for commercial breaks, for many years.

After purchasing the rights to mess with it, the folks at MST3K cut the heck out of it (almost a third of the movie) so that it honestly had no chance of making any sense whatsoever and "Re-Presented" it strictly for laughs.

Since SOULTAKER had done very well in its initial release, with very positive reviews in "Daily Variety" and several other major trade publications, you might imagine how perplexed I was initially when I found out they completely hacked up this movie to shreds and then lambasted it on MST3K.

Poor Vivian Schilling was the subject of most of the show's most vicious and acerbic barbs and having worked with her I can tell you that running her down with a series of cheap shots really was unfair. Cheap shots will get cheap laughs. But I doubt anyone reading this would want someone to do it to them.

Frankly, I think the cinematography and staging in the picture hold up fairly well, and practically everyone (apparently including the MST3K folks) knew I had only so much to work with, so they left me alone for the most part. But it's still kind of a bummer to make a low budget movie and see your best stuff hacked up or removed. It's like being a green comedian, being handed some ordinary jokes, going out on stage and getting hit in the face with tomatoes while someone offstage turns the mic down during the punch lines.

Basically, my job as director on this picture, at least as I saw it, most especially throughout all of obstacles which seemed to plague it from the outset, was to FINISH it as best as I was humanly able, while simultaneously infusing it with as much mood, atmosphere and yes, bits of silly humor as I possibly could along the way.

If you've seen SOULTAKER on MST3K, you may have gotten some good laughs, but you really haven't seen the movie. Of course, ripping on movies and movie people has become part of pop culture today.

Some of you might legitimately DISLIKE the picture, the original version I mean. Fair enough. But the fact is, audiences like members of the Academy of Science Fiction, Fantasy and Horror certainly went for it and people like that were the target audience. I autographed quite a few "Soultaker" movie posters at showings like that one, along with the actors. Now I'm told they are collector's items. Strange biz.

The MST3K treatment could make comedies out of many genre movies. A movie like THE SHINING is a good example. But Warner Bros. isn't likely to allow it.

SOULTAKER was made on such a small budget, the sound man (who was one of the only veteran techs on the crew) kept telling me it would be a miracle if we managed to finish the movie. If we had used millions of dollars instead of hundreds and made something like "Battlefield Earth" or "Howard the Duck"...

On the bright side, "Soultaker" made a significant profit, and in the end, for all filmmakers, that's what your job is -- to try to make sure the investors come out on top. At least we did that -- long before it was sliced and diced and served up for breakfast.

He only gave it 7/10.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100665/reviews

Also,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGAxPEeNtVM
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2012, 12:27:35 PM
Salty!
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 10, 2012, 12:30:27 PM
They made Hobgoblins 2 btw although it had none of the original cast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI8omyZbfeE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOZEDU9RNA0
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 10, 2012, 12:32:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9T4UDsWmok
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on August 10, 2012, 12:33:57 PM
The guy who made Hobgoblins claims he submitted it to MST3K and because it got on the show is how he was able to make the sequel.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Freyj on August 10, 2012, 03:49:17 PM
http://deep13.us/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=3

No idea how many weekends I've lost watching this.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on August 10, 2012, 04:43:55 PM
The director of Soultaker wrote a review on IMDB:

He only gave it 7/10.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100665/reviews

Well, that's Tinseltown.

And, Robert Z'Dar's face still looks like a catcher's mitt with eyes no matter which version you watch.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Eric P on August 11, 2012, 07:44:13 AM
I really don't like Rifftrax.  I think Cinematic Titanic is much better which is weird because I prefer all the shows with Mike over Joel.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 11, 2012, 11:24:41 AM
I've never been that big on Cinematic Titanic. They're more consistent than Rifftrax, in that they don't really have any bad releases like Rifftrax sometimes does, but they're just...consistently OKAY. None of Cinematic Titanic's efforts are really that close to Rifftrax's best.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on August 11, 2012, 01:56:12 PM
I don't like Rifftrax all that much because I hate Bill Corbett.  He ruined post-Trace Crow.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on August 16, 2012, 10:54:18 PM
The Manos live show tonight was great, especially the short about the versatile CYLINDER! :lol
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on August 26, 2012, 12:41:08 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gie3_zjbF7s

Nice to see Joel.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2012, 10:00:33 AM
Watching more of these again I realized how amazing the work on the shorts is, some of the movies I don't remember them exactly but I never forget the shorts about the bread delivery man or the SELLING WIZARD or PROGRESS ISLAND USA. Really need to watch the rifftrax and cinematic titanic shorts.

A JAM HANDY PRODUCTION!
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 08, 2012, 10:02:51 AM
anyone got the link to the site thats always streaming mst3k
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on September 08, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
www.justin.tv/mst3k2
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: MyNameIsMethodis on September 08, 2012, 10:08:03 AM
ty
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on September 08, 2012, 10:30:49 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCb1Z9YnNFo
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: benjipwns on September 08, 2012, 11:04:33 AM
"How bad is it?"
"Ever seen Stroganoff?"
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 02, 2014, 01:28:35 AM
I like awful movies and I like Rifftrax (to a degree) so I might as well mention when I watch them here.


Watched a rifftrax for Terror at TenKiller last night. It was decent. The movie was very suitable for riffing as its terrible in a good way but probably a bit too slow. Best joke involved some short shorts worn by the killer. On the scale of Rifftrax I would say its average.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8iw2JZcRIbg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLBjRxOZflk
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on May 02, 2014, 09:21:23 AM
For everyone who loved MST3k's Puma Man:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipvbjjdbI2E
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on February 05, 2015, 10:02:54 PM
http://www.shoutfactorytv.com/series/mystery-science-theater-3000
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on February 07, 2015, 03:45:27 PM
So...yeah, Rifftrax released two awful low-budget monster movies starring Lash LaRue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngANwCaHa4Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5CCK1yNS8A
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on February 07, 2015, 06:09:54 PM
And an educational short starring a young PD

(http://static.rifftrax.com/sites/default/files/styles/poster_medium/public/posters/video/GettingAngryPosterB.jpg?itok=DV7fzjle)
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2015, 09:56:09 AM
Quote
Joel HodgsonVerified account
‏@JoelGHodgson
People of Earth: please join me in an upcoming Reddit AMA for news about Turkey Day 2015 and the future of @MST3K. Nov 10 @ 4pm ET.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 02, 2015, 05:13:09 PM
http://www.rifftrax.com/mystery-science-theater-3000

It's happening! Something's happening. Maybe something's happening. I dunno.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 02, 2015, 05:19:26 PM
Hopefully they do more than just offer old episodes on their site, some kind of new collaboration would be nice.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 02, 2015, 06:31:54 PM
I shouldn't get my hopes up but I would love a new mst3k with new (modern) riffers. And then bring on the old guys for the occasional guest spots or guest riffing. That would be my dream.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 10:33:56 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/HXVFP2m.png)

No details yet, but a Kickstarted MST3K return is incoming.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2015, 10:47:36 AM
Honestly not sure what took them so long. This should have been one of the first tings that tried this.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2015, 11:56:03 AM
Officially up now.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k

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I've been thinking about ways to re-animate MST3K for over a decade... and over the last 15 years, I've met thousands of you who’ve told me that they wanted MST3K back too. But two things have finally changed that make this the right time. And I'm not talking about the legalization of marijuana or the proliferation of water jet pack use.

1. Crowdfunding gives fans the power to get what they want.In less than two years, I've watched fans use crowdfunding to bring back Veronica Mars, Reading Rainbow and Super Troopers – all cult favorites, like us – and it made me wonder how MSTies would respond if we had the chance to return. Now we're going to find out… and then maybe LeVar Burton can finally stop acting like he’s so much better than us.

2. We had to work through some complicated legal issues.Even though I've always wanted to bring MST3K back, it wasn't that easy. Thanks to the Last Will and Testament of one eccentric old heiress, the rights were tied up for years. It took time to work those issues out, but with the help of my friends at Shout Factory, a special chokehold I perfected in WuDang that I like to call “The Persuader,” and a night I had to spend in a haunted house as a term of the the old lady’s will, we succeeded.

But this summer, we finally got all of the rights cleared up… and like Orpheus, we can now descend into hell to hang out with a couple of wisecracking robots.

http://www.ew.com/article/2015/11/10/mystery-science-theater-3000-reboot
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 10, 2015, 11:56:22 AM
Kickstarter page is up, although the details are still a bit bit scanty (we don't know who's hosting). They're asking for $2 million, but they want $5.5 million. 2 guarantees 3 episodes, 5.5 gets you 12.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2015, 12:00:38 PM
This needs to happen. I'll break my anti-Kickstarter attitude for something like this.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2015, 04:59:23 PM
Hopefully they can get Mike, Kevin, and Bill from Rifftrax in on this, but at the very least I'd be happy with a Cinematic Titanic reunion.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2015, 05:02:46 PM
No thanks to Bill.  His voice/jokes are so grating

GOAT team: Mike, Kevin, and Trace.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2015, 05:05:52 PM
I'd really like for them to do four riffers: Mike, Kevin, Trace, and Joel.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 10, 2015, 05:26:10 PM
Joel, Mike, Crow, and Servo all in one theater :lawd
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Trent Dole on November 10, 2015, 06:08:31 PM
Head writer Mike Nelson has already said he's not involved in this reboot. If this shit's Joel hosted I am super :hyper irl.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 10, 2015, 06:38:53 PM
As far as old school mst3k I was always a Joel guy and sort of biased against Mike but when I got older and went back and watched the Mike episodes there are unquestionably some of the most amazing gems among them. I still prefer Joel but Mike probably has the larger number of great episodes mainly just because the show had found its rhythm by that point.

Rifftrax can be enjoyable and occasionally they really hit a groove on something (They did the Harry Potter franchise well) but overall it can also miss a lot more than I would like and I don't like how modern the riffing is coming from older guys. I don't want Bieber and instagram jokes from people in their 50's at this point. It seems somehow desperate.

My Dream team would be Trace, Kevin, and either Joel or Mike.

Like I said though, what I would prefer is new people and everybody making cameo and guest appearances for skits or riffing.

A show for a new generation but with strong links to the past.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 10, 2015, 08:45:39 PM
I don't watch too many of the Rifftrax, mainly just the shorts, some of the old really goofy looking movies that are perfect MST3k fodder, and the live shows. That's plenty enough for me.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 11, 2015, 03:57:04 PM
Welp. Mike, Bill, Josh, and Trace have all confirmed that they're not involved in the MST3K reboot. Sounds like it's just going to be Joel and some dudes, and that's assuming Joel is even in it. It might just end up being MST3K: The Next Generation.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on November 11, 2015, 04:21:03 PM
that all sounds terrible
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 11, 2015, 04:35:37 PM
 >:(
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 12, 2015, 07:28:50 PM
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Update #2

Nov 13 2015

5 BURNING Questions About #BringBackMST3K


People of Kickstarter:

It’s been 48 hours in Kickstarter Land for #BringBackMST3K, and we're almost 75% of the way to our first goal of $2MM and 3 episodes! If you've already joined in: thank you for giving us such a fantastic start.

Today’s update is important, because I know there are a lot of unanswered questions about this Kickstarter, and about the future of MST3K.

Questions like:

Why do you need so much money to make MST3K? Isn't it cheap?
Are you doing this alone? Where are the other MST3K writers and actors?
Why is there a new cast? I want the old cast back.
We've got Cinematic Titanic and Rifftrax. Who needs more MST3K?
Is there a Santa Claus? If so, is he contributing to help bring back MST3K?
These are all good questions, so let's start with the tough one: Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus.

Anyway, I know that these questions are still making some fans skeptical. I've seen all of the comments and questions here on Kickstarter. And Reddit. And Facebook. And Twitter. And... man, there's a whole lot of internet.

But hey, I get it. That's why I want to answer your questions the best I can.

If you're undecided about helping us #BringBackMST3K, I hope you'll take a few minutes to read this.



Question #1: Why do you need so much money?

Believe me, man. I hear you. If it really cost $2 million just to make three episodes, we'd be spending almost $700K per show! And you're right: by itself, an episode of MST3K doesn't cost nearly that much.

But the explanation is actually pretty simple:

A. We don't get to keep all of the money we raise on Kickstarter.

Out of the first $2,000,000, we have to pay about 8% – that's $160,000 – in CAMPAIGN FEES to Kickstarter and the credit card processor.
Then we have to cover all of the REWARD AND SHIPPING COSTS to design, produce, print, sort and ship all of the rewards we're offering in exchange for your pledge. (Those t-shirts aren't free, you know!) That costs about 27%, so that's another $540,000.
We're not charging you twice for shipping, I promise. Even though Kickstarter asks you to add more for shipping after you pledge, they count that money toward the total we've raised, but we still have to spend that money on, you know... shipping!
So, out of the first $2,000,000 we raise, we have to spend $700,000 just on the costs of this Kickstarter campaign!
B. Then, we have a lot of startup costs just to get the show into production.

To shoot new episodes, there's a lot we'll need to do up front: creating concept art and designs, building sets, making models, creating costumes, adding new features to upgrade the robots, and all sorts of other things. All of that work costs money, which is why that first $2,000,000 includes $550,000 for STARTUP COSTS. The good part is that every penny of that ends up on screen, where you can see it.

C. But... the more episodes we make, the less each episode costs!

We have to spend $550,000 up front, no matter how many episodes we make. If we only make 3 episodes, these costs increase the budget for each episode by $183K… but if we make a full 12, they only increase it by $46K each!

Anyway, once you take out the CAMPAIGN, REWARD and STARTUP COSTS, there's a lot less than $2M left.

In fact, that leaves just $750,000 for THREE FEATURE-LENGTH EPISODES OF MST3K, which – I hope – sounds a lot more reasonable than $2,000,000!

At the end of the day, our goal is to make each feature-length episode of MST3K for around $250,000.

To put that in perspective, that means we're spending less to create 90 minutes of MST3K than even the lower-end reality shows spend to make 22 minutes! (Really makes ya think, don't it?)

And remember: that $250K isn't just to hire our writers, cast and crew, or rent equipment and space. It also includes the cost of LICENSING MOVIE RIGHTS, and that can get pretty expensive. Which brings me to the last point:

D. If we want the best cheesy movies, we have to pay for them.

Right now, none of the movies I'd like to include in the next season are in the public domain. That means we have to pay the owner of each movie a substantial amount to include it on MST3K. That would be expensive no matter what... and that's before the owners realize what we're planning to do with them!

Now, I know that was a lot of detail. If you're as worn out from reading about this as I am from writing about it, here's a wicked cool graphic that sums the whole thing up:


I know not everyone will want this much explanation, but I'm asking you to trust me with your money, so I think it's important to be crystal clear about how we're using it.

Finally, if you're thinking that $250K per episode still sounds like a lot, remember: even in the ‘90s, an episode of MST3K cost us between $100K-200K, and with inflation, everything costs more now.

Plus, when MST3K started, we were able to get better rates. As the show got more popular, licensing cheesy movies suddenly began to cost us a lot more. Hmm...

Anyway, I hope $250,000 per episode feels more reasonable than "$2M for three, " which is how it might have sounded at first.


Question #2: What about everyone else? Are the other MST3K writers and actors coming back?

This is the hardest question to answer, because there are several moving pieces involved.

Right now, I don't know who will agree to come back and work on the next season of MST3K… but if the Kickstarter is successful, everyone will be invited to take part.

Until yesterday, I wasn't even sure this whole Kickstarter idea would work. I've reached out and spoken with some of the old cast and writers, but until I knew how much money we'd have to work with – and when we'd start writing and shooting – there was just no way to make the specific offers that I hope will bring many of them back.

Plus – as many of you know – so far, the old cast haven't been compensated as well as they (or I) might have liked. I wish I could go back and fix that, but if I'm going to ask them to participate in the next season, I want to be certain we can pay them what they deserve this time. As soon as we pass our initial goal of $2,000,000, I'm hoping to start making the invitations official, and I hope some of them will be able to join us before we start working in January.

But there's another thing I should say here:

As much as I love the old seasons, we're not just trying to make an "MST3K reunion episode." Even if we do get our entire old cast and staff to come help out, I think it's important – essential– that we bring in new talent to keep the show fresh, and to help it evolve.

To do that, it's important that we bring in the next Host, the next Mad, and the next robot voices. And if everything goes well, there'll be a dozen more after them. (I'll come back to this in the next question.)

At the same time, I'd love to work with the entire old team again. Mystery Science Theater 3000 became the show you know and love because our writers and actors were – and are – some of the smartest, funniest people I've ever worked with. If they have time to come back for the next season, I'll be so excited to work with them again.

But even if everyone comes back, we'll never be able to reproduce the magic of how those old episodes feel to you. No one ever could. People usually think that the “best year in music” was they year they turned eighteen. In the same way, the “best year of MST3K" – for you – will probably always be the year you turned 13, or 16, or 18, and your parents finally sprung for the good cable package. To misquote Rick James, nostalgia is a helluva drug. We can't compete with your memories, and it would be kind of silly to try.

But we can try to make something that today's kids (and adults!) can discover, that will give them the same feeling you once had. And hopefully give you long-time fans something new to enjoy, too. That's the goal, anyway.


3. Why is there a new cast? I want the old cast back. It's not MST3K without them.

I've gotten a lot of messages asking – or complaining – about the decision to bring in a new cast. This came up a few times on Tuesday during my Reddit AMA, but I don't know if I explained it as well as I'd like, so I want to take another minute to talk about this.

The funny thing is, this isn't the first time we've gotten these complaints.

When we first imagined Mystery Science Theater 3000 back in 1988, my hope was to launch a show that, in success, could be as enduring as Saturday Night Live. We had a simple format that could evolve over time, with each new generation of actors and writers finding their own take on the basic concept.

If MST3K hadn't gotten canceled fifteen years ago, it’s possible we could have had 4 or 5 hosts by now, and it would be just like Doctor Who: even if you had "your Doctor," you'd still be able to appreciate the different flavors that each new Host or Mad or robot added to the show. It's part of what makes a show like Doctor Who or SNL last. I’m a Tom Baker fan myself, and no one is funnier than Dan Aykroyd. (To me.)

The problem is that MST3K got canceled after just two hosts, and instead of becoming a proud tradition, some audiences started to see it as a competition between "Team Joel" and "Team Mike." I think that if MST3K had lasted long enough to have a third host, this wouldn't have happened. It makes me sad that it did.

When I first left MST3K and Mike took over as host, some of you said you were done watching – not because he was bad, but because he was different. Then, once the shock wore off, a lot of you realized he brought something new and great to the job. Many of you even liked his episodes better! And when Kevin took over as Tom Servo, there was hate mail, but for many of you he became the definitive Servo! I could go on.

So yeah, we've been through this before, and I get it. Different can be scary, especially if you really loved the old seasons. But just think: if you had never given Mike or Kevin or Bill or Frank or Mary Jo a chance in their roles, you'd have almost 100 fewer episodes of MST3K to enjoy today. I'm not asking you to like the next cast better than the last one, but I hope you'll give them a chance, and see what they can do.

Then, when their time is up, I hope you'll give the next cast a chance too.

Anyway, I think we've found great new people to act as our next Host, Mad, Crow and Servo, and I'll introduce you to all of them before the end of our Kickstarter. And if the old cast are up for it, we'll look for ways to bring their old characters back for cameos. (Anything's possible! Even Servo and Crow could have "software glitches" from time to time and temporarily boot with their older personalities.) But the reason I hope a lot of the old team will come back is to help guide the next generation as they learn the ropes.

Here's the thing: I don't want us to make a whole different MST3K. We love the old seasons for a reason, and so did you. But I also don't want us to make the same exact MST3K again either.

As I've said before, it's like Heisenberg's uncertainty principle as applied to MST3K: if it doesn't change, it's not the same show. So to stay the same, we need to keep changing. Make sense?


4. Cinematic Titanic and Rifftrax are great. Who needs new MST3K?

To me, this has been the weirdest question to try and answer, because some people are acting like we're asking you to choose between Cinematic Titanic, Rifftrax and MST3K, or to convince you that MST3K is the "one true riffing show." And guys, this might be why we can't have nice things.

With Rifftrax, Mike, Bill and Kevin have brought riffing to a whole new set of movies, by finding a way to riff the kinds of flicks we were never able to include in – or afford for – MST3K. And they're great at it!

Cinematic Titanic was all about a live riffing experience that performers could share with fans in the house. It was an incredible thing to be part of, and even with so many great MST3K veterans involved, it still had a completely different flavor.

I will always support good riffing, and the world will always need more riffing – especially under the imminent Trump/Carson Administration. Plus, it's exciting to watch so many MST3K vets out there doing their thing, and making people laugh, in whatever form they enjoy most. We're better off with more riffing shows out in the wild – and even if our old team comes back, they'll still be free to continue their other projects.

But I know there's still a place for Mystery Science Theater 3000 right there next to them, because the world will be more fun – and more bearable – with Crow, Servo, the Mads, and more cheesy B-movies.

No one is asking you to pick between Rifftrax and MST3K, and no one ever will. There's room for both of them.


5. Is there really a Santa Claus?

Droppo, you are the laziest man on Mars.


Anyway, that was a lot to read, but I think it was important to tell you all of that. If you made it this far, I hope I've eased your mind.

If you have more questions, I want to make sure I'm answering them, so please be sure to post in the comments. And if this all makes sense to you, I hope you'll help share these explanations with others, when you see them asking these questions.

I'll have something fun to share with you tomorrow.

Cheers and Thanks,


Joel

Joel is a damn cool dude.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/bringbackmst3k/posts/1413188
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 18, 2015, 11:28:44 AM
2.2 million with 23 days left.

I definitely think 3.3 million for 6 episodes is doable.

Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 25, 2015, 08:35:37 PM
Don't spend Thanksgiving with your family. Do this instead:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZnKM9LwfRM
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 11:55:42 AM
15 days to go. Let's round up and say they are at 2.9 million.

I definitely think 4 to 6 episode is easily doable as they only need 3.3 million.

7-9 is maybe possible with the increase that tends to come during the final couple of days.

I think 5.5 million is unattainable.

Felicia Day is the new villain and Jonah Ray is the new host. I'm aware of who those two people are but I have never actually watched anything with them in it so I have no feelings either way towards them. 

Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Trent Dole on November 26, 2015, 01:43:49 PM
Yeah the names are familiar to me. I looked them up and they seem like fitting choices. Wife suggested getting Chris Hardwick to host and it turns out Jonah cohosts the Nerdist podcast with him, so he'll probably show up at some point.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2015, 03:16:44 PM
He tampered in God's domain.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 26, 2015, 03:31:20 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRkbR0rEnIo
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 26, 2015, 06:57:23 PM
It's a giant death ray! But only to be used for peaceful purposes.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 09, 2015, 06:51:16 PM
54 hours left. Currently at 4.2 million.

Latest news.

Patton Oswalt joins cast as the son of frank.

Dan Harmon involved with the writing.


Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: TakingBackSunday on December 09, 2015, 09:39:07 PM
This is going to be awesome if Oswalt and Harmon contribute.  Very very smart pop culture dudes, there will be an amazing amount of references between the two
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 11, 2015, 10:38:46 PM
Full Season

 :obama
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on December 11, 2015, 10:58:00 PM
I didn't back it, but good for them. I'll watch it.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 12, 2015, 01:29:39 AM
14 episodes!

(http://i.imgur.com/cSAEd3Y.jpg)
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on December 31, 2015, 03:46:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHPgWAnu_Gw
http://www.shoutfactorytv.com/backlot/mst3k-25th-anniversary-the-crew/55e0b0d169702d071a578d02
http://www.shoutfactorytv.com/backlot/mst3k-25th-anniversary-big-changes/561e954269702d04deb5af01
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on January 02, 2016, 03:05:46 AM
Rifftrax Humble Bundle
https://www.humblebundle.com/weekly

The feature-length riffs are well worth the $12 IMO, but if you just want to kick in a buck, The Demon Bat is a howler.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2016, 05:00:10 PM
This year's Rifftrax Kickstarter is Time Chasers plus lots of shorts and other stuff, but the real kicker [lol] is that they're bringing back Mary Jo Pehl, Frank Conniff, and Trace Beaulieu to join in on the riffing:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/rifftrax/rifftrax-live-2016-mst3k-reunion-time-chasers-live
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Mods Help on March 07, 2016, 05:13:00 PM
What's the best way to watch mst3k? There's a billion dvd sets
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: seagrams hotsauce on March 07, 2016, 05:37:21 PM
Probably not the 'best' but there's a ustream channel that runs it 24/7 http://www.ustream.tv/channel/mystery-science-theater-3000---mst3k
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2016, 05:47:33 PM
A lot of them are just up on youtube. Some are missing but I would say the majority are on there.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2016, 05:49:29 PM
What's the best way to watch mst3k? There's a billion dvd sets

Along with what's already been said, Rifftrax has started selling digital episodes of MST3k on their store and generally releasing a few more every week.

Hulu has 37 episodes of MST3k right now. Not sure if they plan on adding anymore.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Mods Help on March 07, 2016, 06:03:46 PM
What are the best MST3k? I grew up watching it but don't remember much besides my favorite one, Godzilla vs Megalon.

Continuing with that, I've never seen rifftrax. What are the best ones?
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2016, 06:20:27 PM
What are the best MST3k? I grew up watching it but don't remember much besides my favorite one, Godzilla vs Megalon.

Continuing with that, I've never seen rifftrax. What are the best ones?

Best is so hard as its so personal. There is probably a general consensus community but some of my favorites are individual episodes that just struck me as Hilarious for specific bits in them.


By community consensus though I would say these are among the top 5

Mitchell
Manos: The Hands of Fate
Space Mutiny
Time Chasers
The Final Sacrifice

Everybody includes those on their lists. After that there are another 20 or 25 that I would consider exceptional but those vary from person to person. I could list some of them if you want.

Rifftrax is way more hit and miss. I think they did a good job with the Harry Potter and Twilight movies. My favorite rifftrax's tend to be ones where they do awful obscure movies like in mst3k rather than just doing popular movies. In general I don't like Rifftrax nearly as much as classic mst3k but I'm glad the guys are still working.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2016, 06:33:16 PM
Best MST3K:
Space Mutiny
Santa Claus vs the Martians
Gamera vs Guiron (all the Gamera movies + both of the Godzilla movies, really)
I Accuse My Parents
Operation Double 007
Radar Secret Service
Prince of Space
Overdrawn at the Memory Bank
The Final Sacrifice
Gorgo

Best Rifftrax:
Birdemic
Anaconda
Santa Claus and the Ice Cream Bunny
The Room (Live Version)
Fun in Balloon Land
The Guy From Harlem
Planet of Dinosaurs

I can't really think of many "essential" Rifftrax, most of them are just okay to pretty good compared to MST3K. Those are some of my favorites, though.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Mods Help on March 07, 2016, 06:37:31 PM
I fucking love anaconda unironically
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: zomgee on March 07, 2016, 07:18:24 PM
What are the best MST3k? I grew up watching it but don't remember much besides my favorite one, Godzilla vs Megalon.

Continuing with that, I've never seen rifftrax. What are the best ones?

Mitchell
Manos: The Hands of Fate
Space Mutiny
Time Chasers
The Final Sacrifice

Everybody includes those on their lists. After that there are another 20 or 25 that I would consider exceptional but those vary from person to person. I could list some of them if you want.

Rifftrax is way more hit and miss. I think they did a good job with the Harry Potter and Twilight movies. My favorite rifftrax's tend to be ones where they do awful obscure movies like in mst3k rather than just doing popular movies. In general I don't like Rifftrax nearly as much as classic mst3k but I'm glad the guys are still working.

I hate to sound to weak but Mitchell, Manos, and Space Mutiny are easily my top 3. I can't watch Overdrawn at the Memory Bank because of who is in it.

Rifftrax I haven't given a good shot but I started with The Star Wars Holiday Special and no amount of commentary can save you from that abomination. It's just that bad.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on March 07, 2016, 08:41:03 PM
I fucking love anaconda unironically

There are a number of mst3k movies that I have legit grown to love and actually really like as actual movies despite logically knowing they are sub-standard movies.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 07, 2016, 09:49:19 PM
202 - Wild Rebels
210 - King Dinosaur
303 - Pod People
306 - Time of the Apes
310 - Fugitive Alien
321 - Santa Claus Conquers the Martians
402 - Giant Gila Monster
421 - Monster A Go-Go
422 - The Day the Earth Froze
423 - Bride of the Monster
424 - Manos
501 - Warrior of the Lost World
506 - Eegah!
507 - I Accuse My Parents
508 - Operation Double 007
511 - Gunslinger
512 - Mitchell
513 - The Brain that Wouldn't Die
519 - Outlaw
520 - Radar Secret Service
521 - Santa Claus
603 - The Dead Talk Back
609 - Skydivers
614 - San Francisco International
621 - The Beast of Yucca Flats
703 - Deathstalker
705 - Escape 2000
809 - I Was a Teenage Werewolf
810 - Giant Spider Invasion
811 - Parts: The Clonus Horror
814 - Riding with Death
816 - Prince of Space
819 - Invasion of the Neptune Men
820 - Space Mutiny
821 - Time Chasers
822 - Overdrawn at the Memory Bank
903 - The Pumaman
904 - Werewolf
909 - Gorgo
910 - The Final Sacrifice
913 - Quest of the Delta Knights
1001 - The Soultaker
1002 - The Girl in Gold Boots
1003 - Merlin's Shop of Mystical Wonders
1004 - Future War
1006 - Boggy Creek II
1007 - Track of the Moon Beast
1008 - Final Justice
1012 - Squirm
1013 - Diabolik

A pretty good mix of genres and all a really good episodes. Also, any of the Gamera and Godzilla episodes are worth watching.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on March 07, 2016, 10:51:27 PM
I fucking love anaconda unironically

There are a number of mst3k movies that I have legit grown to love and actually really like as actual movies despite logically knowing they are sub-standard movies.

Moon Zero Two is a fun movie.
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Post by: zomgee on March 07, 2016, 11:26:35 PM
I forgot about Pyumaman and Wurrwyelf.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 08, 2016, 11:20:57 AM
If I'm doing a personal favorite top 5 mst3k it would look like

Hobgoblins
The Deadly Bees
Squirm
Master Ninja 1 or 2
Riding With Death

edit: I can't leave off Legend of Boggy Creek

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Post by: Yeti on March 08, 2016, 10:39:21 PM
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NOKjIc3U9C4/T6eTmvsIQbI/AAAAAAAAINw/50gHIMmM2KQ/s1600/AttackOfTheTheEyeCreatures.jpg)
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 01, 2016, 02:41:42 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/rifftrax-exclusive-joel-hodgson-and-jonah-ray-join-234659?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=ShareTools&utm_campaign=default
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 01, 2016, 08:44:51 PM
This reunion live event is really shaping up to be something special.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Trent Dole on April 02, 2016, 06:34:25 PM
Castle of Fu Manchu
The Violent Years
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 04, 2016, 07:54:10 PM
http://www.avclub.com/article/night-after-night-midnight-oral-history-comedy-cen-234349
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 29, 2016, 02:01:59 PM
http://newsok.com/article/5507130
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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 29, 2016, 02:26:25 PM
Joe and I went to see that at the local theater last night and it was really great. If you missed it, definitely go see the encore broadcast next month.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2016, 11:49:36 PM
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It's official: Mystery Science Theater 3000 is being revived — at Netflix.

The streaming giant has landed the revival that started with following a successful Kickstarter campaign, The Hollywood Reporter has learned. The news will be officially announced Saturday at Comic-Con during a panel for the revival.

Netflix will debut the series in what it said is the "not too distant future," with MST3K available in the U.S., Canada, Australia, New Zealand, the U.K.

Launched in November, Shout Factory acquired the rights to the cult hit and teamed with series creator Joel Hodgson for a new incarnation of the cult favorite. At the time, Hodgson hoped the Kickstarter campaign will raise at least $2 million — enough to make three new feature-length episodes — with an ultimate goal of the $5.5 million needed to make a full season of 12 episodes. The campaign raised $5.7 million and will be back for a 14-episode season. The Kickstarter campaign ranks as the highest-funded film and TV crowdfunding campaign in history.


Hodgson will be involved in writing and all facets of production of the revival. New episodes will feature a new host, Mads (aka "mad scientist") and new movies to riff. DIY queen Felicia Day will take on the role of mad scientist Kinga Forrester, daughter of one of the show's original villains, Dr. Clayton Forrester (Trace Beaulieu). Patton Oswalt will portray Son of TV's Frank; comedians Hampton Yount and Baron Vaughn are set as the two voices of the show's robotic sidekicks; and Nerdist podcast co-host Jonah Ray is the lead host. Community's Joel McHale and showrunner Dan Harmon are also attached as writers. Mary Jo Pehl (Pearl Forrester), Bill Corbett (Crow T. Robot) and Kevin Murphy from the original cast will reprise their roles in the new series. Elliott Kalan, the Emmy-winning former head writer of The Daily Show, will serve as the head writer on MST3K. The series is exec produced by Hodgson, Richard Foos, Bob Emmer, Garson Foos, Jonathan Stern, Harold Buchholz, Elliott Kalan as well as Satellite of Love, Alternaversal Productions and Abominable Pictures.

MST3K premiered in 1988 on a local station in Minnesota before going on to air on Comedy Central for six seasons, concluding in 1997. Then, Syfy picked the show up for another three seasons until its final cancelation in 1999 after nearly 200 episodes. The series, featuring a man and his robot sidekicks, riffed on B-movies as part of an "experiment."

The series won a prestigious Peabody Award in 1993 and was nominated for two Emmys, as well as a Cable ACE Award. It was included in Time's 100 Best TV Shows of All Time list in 2007.


For Netflix, MST3K comes as the streaming giant is investing an impressive $5 billion in original programming this year alone. The series joins a slate that also includes Marvel's Daredevil, Luke Cage, Jessica Jones, The Defenders, Punisher as well as its Lost in Space revival, Dear White People, Chuck Lorre's Disjointed, Stranger Things, Alias Grace with Zachary Levi, Jeff Daniels' Godless and more.




http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/comic-con-mystery-science-theater-913930
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 23, 2016, 11:55:48 PM
I want to see the new MST3k riff on that Netflix Adam Sandler movie.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on July 23, 2016, 11:59:22 PM
It boggles my mind with the proliferation of cable channels that nobody will pay them to do a modern mst3k.

 :jawalrus
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Post by: Joe Molotov on July 24, 2016, 12:03:31 AM
Netflix is the new local access cable station that plays weird stuff in the middle of the night. :rock
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Post by: Freyj on July 24, 2016, 12:21:11 AM
NewsOK? How many Okies do we have in this place?

Hopefully we can get more classic episodes on Netflix as well.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2016, 11:02:06 PM
https://www.humblebundle.com/mobile/rifftrax-mobile-bundle

Humble Bundle is doing another Rifftrax bundle. Most of them are just the audio riffs of Hollywood movies (I don't care for them but YMMV), but there are a few VOD titles in there: The Wizard, Night of the Living Dead, and the short Shake Hands With Danger (it's good).

Or you can put in your email address at the bottom and get the old classic Mr. B Natural for free.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on November 12, 2016, 09:03:19 PM
Turkey Day marathon incoming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLYy4ZargUlueJkcc-Li38dCo0WdFB0yFh&v=Gkh-cGoKwAU
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 24, 2016, 12:27:49 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JphKSOuaov0
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2017, 02:32:39 PM
https://www.facebook.com/theavclub/videos/10154802987925673/
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Post by: Freyj on February 16, 2017, 10:25:22 PM
That was good. High hopes.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 16, 2017, 10:49:28 PM
I'm just glad they went with a new generation of guys instead of trotting out the older guys. As much as I love the old stuff, its really time for a new gen of smart funny guys to do this.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 22, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
Quote
Netflix has just announced the release date for the upcoming Mystery Science Theater 3000 revival, posting via Facebook that Jonah and the Bots will be heading back to the Satellite of Love on April 14.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 22, 2017, 06:51:48 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ct0Z2bQndM
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on March 23, 2017, 12:50:05 AM
Those cheap-o sets :lawd
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 23, 2017, 09:58:06 AM
Reptillicus is a good selection.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 24, 2017, 12:48:25 PM
Nice Interview

http://splitsider.com/2017/03/building-on-sacred-ground-with-the-new-cast-of-mst3k/


Always fun for a jumping off point on discussion on various episodes.

https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2017/03/ranking-every-mst3k-episode-from-worst-to-best.html



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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 24, 2017, 02:09:35 PM
I love that article about the episode rankings, even if I disagree with where some of the episodes have ended up.

On the other hand, Final Sacrifice is #1, so it's all good.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 12, 2017, 08:22:49 PM
If you are a kickstarter backer you have early access to all the episodes now

I watched the first episode.

meh.

I takes awhile for these things to gel and cement so I'm not going to be overly harsh but honestly it would have been a sub-par episode in any era. A great Mst3k is either really funny or really clever with the riffs and this particular episode was neither imo. (The monster rap song bit is good though)

I'll comment again when I get through like half the season.



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Post by: Freyj on April 13, 2017, 12:23:39 AM
Thought 1102 was much better, but still not used to the rapid fire riffs.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 13, 2017, 12:31:23 AM
Starcrash, nice :lol
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 13, 2017, 08:37:28 AM
Thought 1102 was much better, but still not used to the rapid fire riffs.

I've heard that it improves so hopefully that is the case. Mst3k has always been uneven depending on the episode so that may also certainly be the case.

One minor thing is that for me all the guys also have a similar tone of voice. It's doesn't actually effect anything if the riffs are funny but coming from the very distinctive voices of the original, its often hard for me to tell which guy was talking in the first episode. Like I said, that aspect doesn't really matter, but it just kind of feels better when the voices are a bit more distinct.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 15, 2017, 12:05:28 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiJylMyfu9I
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Post by: Freyj on April 15, 2017, 04:01:34 PM
I've heard that it improves so hopefully that is the case. Mst3k has always been uneven depending on the episode so that may also certainly be the case.

One minor thing is that for me all the guys also have a similar tone of voice. It's doesn't actually effect anything if the riffs are funny but coming from the very distinctive voices of the original, its often hard for me to tell which guy was talking in the first episode. Like I said, that aspect doesn't really matter, but it just kind of feels better when the voices are a bit more distinct.

Definitely had the same issue at first, but a few episodes in and I can mostly tell them apart. I think Joel and Mike just had such different sounding voices from the bots whereas Jonah is more high pitched and less... mid-western.

Hampton's Crow is pretty great honestly. Baron's Servo isn't bad at all, but my primary complaint is that his personality doesn't differentiate itself from Crow enough. Kevin's Servo took a bit to find its groove too though.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 16, 2017, 12:24:20 AM
After watching the first three episodes, I'm pretty happy with it. The riffing is great, the new hosts aren't bad, and the movie selection is fantastic. I loved Cry Wilderness, it really gave off that Pod People vibe.

The only thing I don't like is Felicia Day, she's just not good in this. Patton Oswalt is wasted because he has to be in all his scenes with her.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: zomgee on April 16, 2017, 12:43:59 AM
I wish they'd slow down their delivery, just a bit.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Freyj on April 16, 2017, 12:47:18 AM
I started liking Kinga more in episode 4 fwiw and I generally don't care for Day's schtick.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 17, 2017, 09:38:07 PM
I'm about 4 episodes in. I like it. The first episode was the worst imo but every episode has been better than that so far. Episode 3 has been my favorite. I like alot about it. Even Felicia Day who seems to be the most disliked portion from what I've gleaned so far. She doesn't bother me at all. It's a reboot that has its heart in the right place and that matters a lot. This isn't a cash-in or something that doesn't feel like it isn't a natural evolution of the original show.

I kinda wish they would slow down the pace. Both in riffing and in the skits. Sometimes it all just feels so rushed. Not in a lazy way. But in a way like they are trying to keep up a pace that they think a modern audience desires. I'm probably just an old coot but I like my comedy slower and more measured. I think the skits needs a little more high concept to them. By the end of the run of the original show, the skits were really inventive and unique . They need a bit more of that. But some of these are nitpicks. I'm fine with it. I'm fine with getting more of exactly this with the natural improvements that will come.

Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 18, 2017, 12:25:31 AM
I read somewhere that the riffs per minute [RPM] are considerably higher for the new series than the old one, they figured that streaming has made people better able to keep up than when it was just broadcast on TV. Just as a personal preference, I like the more "laid back" riffing of the original series.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2017, 01:13:27 AM
It's a tricky thing and since my job isn't being a comedian its a little presumptuous of me to tell professional ones how to do it.

But sometimes you just have to give a little more breathing room to let a joke land instead of being in a rush to get to the next one. It's quality not quantity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Df3j9vCcIM

You can feel the difference in a clip like that. Even more so with Joel of course who always had a naturally hippie-ish paced delivery to his comedy whether it mst3k or stand-up.
 
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Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2017, 01:30:57 AM
RiffTrax is faster paced too I had noticed, and when it was stuff the guys had clearly seen multiple times before they probably sat down to write the riffs like Star Trek or whatever it was even more sped up. To be fair, it was sorta that way on the original show when they started doing 1970s action movies near the end of the run versus all the 1950/60s plodding sci-fi/horror stuff they were doing earlier on.

On the original show they had so few people watch the entire movie beforehand sometimes that you had things like The Sidehackers where it wasn't until they watched it for recording that they realized there was a freakin rape (and maybe rape plus murder?) subplot in the movie, but they had already shot half of the episode so they just had to pretend it didn't happen. Everyone on the original show was basically in every role on air/puppeter/etc. for most of its run. Even Mike shows up as a random background character from time to time when he was one of the few writer-only people they had.

And I think they have way more writers or just people on staff to offer up riffs on the new show? I thought I read somewhere it was way way way more like a modern TV series in terms of staff compared to what they used to somehow manage.

Hell, Patton Oswalt probably could write whole episodes of his own riffs and pair it back five or six times to get the good 20 or so for what hits the air. Elliott Kalan wrote for The Daily Show for seven years and 1000+ episodes and was head writer for the final two years of Jon Stewart's run. As awesome as the original cast plus Mike was, they never had guys with that kind of experience/intensity working on the show regularly.
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Post by: benjipwns on April 18, 2017, 01:36:15 AM
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Kevin Murphy   ...   (198 episodes, 1988-1999)
Joel Hodgson   ...   (creator) (197 episodes, 1988-1999)
Michael J. Nelson   ...   (177 episodes, 1989-1999)
Jim Mallon   ...   (152 episodes, 1988-1997)
Trace Beaulieu   ...   (150 episodes, 1988-1996)
Bridget Jones   ...   (150 episodes, 1991-1999)
Paul Chaplin   ...   (145 episodes, 1991-1999)
Mary Jo Pehl   ...   (123 episodes, 1992-1999)
Frank Conniff   ...   (103 episodes, 1990-1994)
Colleen Henjum   ...   (95 episodes, 1991-1995)
Bill Corbett   ...   (51 episodes, 1995-1999)
J. Elvis Weinstein   ...   (34 episodes, 1988-1990)
Mike Dodge   ...   (24 episodes, 1994-1995)
David Sussman   ...   (18 episodes, 1992-1994)
Elliott Kalan   ...   (14 episodes, 2017)
Timothy Scott   ...   (7 episodes, 1991-1994)
He's already got as many or more credits as two guys who were crew (and thus also wound up with writing credits like everyone else) on the original show for three years. I'm sure you recognize most of those other names as the on-air talent of the original series.

David Sussman's only non-MST3K credit is that he was in the pilot of Burn Notice. :lol
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 18, 2017, 01:54:38 AM
The original show was pretty much a bunch of amateur/wannabe standup comedians [Mike moonlighted as a standup comic while waiting tables at TGI Friday's during the day] who often pulled double duty as writers and on-camera talent. An average Mike-era episode would be written by Michael Nelson [Mike], Kevin Murphy [Tom Servo and Bobo], Mary Jo Pehl [Pearl Forrester], Bill Corbett [Crow and Brain Guy], and Bridget Jones and Paul Chaplin, who weren't regulars on-camera but did show up in various roles.

Joel was probably the most accomplished comic of the lot, he was actually a guest on several episodes of SNL!
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Post by: WanderingWind on April 18, 2017, 07:59:28 AM
RiffTrax is also a pain in the ass to set up for any of the newer movies and it's never mixed well. You can either basically mute the movie, or mute the track, thereby defeating the purpose of either.
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Post by: zomgee on April 18, 2017, 08:34:09 AM

Joel was probably the most accomplished comic of the lot, he was actually a guest on several episodes of SNL!

By day I'm an ordinary comic magician holding a tuna and cheese casserole, at night I become (SNAP) Agent J.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on April 18, 2017, 11:19:08 AM
lmao, a Jerry Seinfeld cameo in my MST3K?
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on April 18, 2017, 12:44:35 PM
lmao, a Jerry Seinfeld cameo in my MST3K?

Fun fact: Joel and Jerry did an HBO special back in 1987:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANvQ2SE3z1Q
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on April 18, 2017, 03:22:02 PM
Yeah they are good friends. Which is why Seinfeld had Joel on that comedians with cars or coffee or whatever its called.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2017, 03:21:18 PM
Finished up the season on a first watch.

My favorite episodes were:
Cry Wilderness
The Time Travelers
Wizards of the Lost Kingdom

Cry Wilderness is probably the closest to one of the classics of the old show because the movie is just so god damn strange.

I enjoyed it. One of the things I realized is that its easy to be a little unfair to the new show because I'm comparing this one season to essentially the very best of the old show instead of one individual season of the old mst3k.

I even got use to the riffing pace. I prefer the pace of the older show but the new pace is fine. I rewatched Reptilicus and its more watchable after going through the whole season and getting familiar with it.

My biggest complaints would still be that I think the pace is slightly too fast and for the most part the out of movies skits mostly sucked. There was very little there that was clever or as inventive as the old show. They need to work on that alot.


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Post by: Joe Molotov on May 01, 2017, 03:58:54 PM
My favorite was Cry Wilderness too. Bigfoot coming to your school to warn you that your father is danger, brehs. :lol

I don't mind the pace of the riffing, although sometimes you just wanna let a joke breathe.

The host segments never got good, imo. At best they were tolerable, at worst they were...anything to do with Kinga marrying Jonah.  ::) Running storylines were the worst part of the original series, and they only did them then because Sci-Fi demanded it. It's better when they just stick to parodying the movies. The most memorable host segments from the OG series for me is Joel as the supervillain from Operation Double 007, "It stinks!" from Pod People, the Hired! song, and the United Servo Academy Men's Chorus from Starfighters. My favorite one from the new series is probably the one where Joel appeared as a doped up party-animal versions of one of the scientists from The Time Travelers, that one was pretty good.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on May 01, 2017, 04:10:04 PM
Yeah, skits directly parodying the movie were always the best, regardless which era of the series it was. Scifi Channel skits were pretty weak because they tried to add in an ongoing storyline, which just didn't really work.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAY2QFZi_IU
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2017, 04:32:40 PM
I'm fine with either approach. Randoms skits or having a storyline skit arc via the season or episode. I enjoyed both in the original. I just think the modern incarnation didn't really work in either direction they took.The best skit is the monster rap song. After that it mostly drops off a cliff. The random guest spots work in a few cases but mostly didn't work imo.
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Post by: Yeti on May 01, 2017, 09:51:13 PM
So towards the start of each movie Gypsy drops down to put something on the ground of the theater and say a joke, then towards the end she'll drop down to say a joke and retrieve whatever it was she dropped. It looked like a picnic basket or a bucket or something. I have two episodes left, do they ever explain what is going on with that?
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Post by: Stoney Mason on May 01, 2017, 10:02:50 PM
So towards the start of each movie Gypsy drops down to put something on the ground of the theater and say a joke, then towards the end she'll drop down to say a joke and retrieve whatever it was she dropped. It looked like a picnic basket or a bucket or something. I have two episodes left, do they ever explain what is going on with that?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MST3K/comments/65g4n3/what_does_gypsy_keep_dropping_in_season_11/

I didn't know either.

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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 23, 2017, 12:07:20 PM
https://www.twitch.tv/shoutfactorytv
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2slxiYA66lw

Turkey Day Marathon
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Post by: Trurl on November 23, 2017, 12:23:16 PM
Is there going to be a season 12?  I'm getting nervous.  This is serious business.  :doge
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2017, 02:48:06 AM
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/mystery-science-theater-3000-renewed-netflix-1202621766/

 :lawd
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Post by: Stoney Mason on June 01, 2018, 02:08:13 PM
http://www.mst3kinfo.com/?p=26157

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54GzhIZSZxQ

 :cancry

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Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2018, 02:41:18 PM
:(
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 01, 2018, 02:42:21 PM
Canada's greatest actor.
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Post by: Svejk on June 01, 2018, 03:44:23 PM
Sheeeit... I didn't know about this thread! 

Wish they'd green light a new season on Netflix.  Jonah and crew actually did a pretty good job.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Great Rumbler on June 01, 2018, 06:13:59 PM
Wish they'd green light a new season on Netflix.

Good news: they already have! No word yet on when it'll be released, though.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2018, 03:38:36 PM
https://www.mst3k.com/tour

Joel is reaming up with Jonah to do live shows for the 30th Anniversary of MST3K.  :hyper

I regret not seeing Cinematic Titanic when they were in the area once, I don't want to miss this.
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Post by: Tasty on June 05, 2018, 04:25:00 PM
Live reaming shows, you say.
Title: Re: MST3K (+Rifftrax)
Post by: Joe Molotov on June 05, 2018, 04:39:38 PM
 :-*
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Post by: Svejk on June 29, 2018, 12:18:11 PM
For those A Touch of Satan fans...
https://www.abc15.com/simplemost/people-line-up-to-pay-38-for-hot-dog-water-

Grandma would be proud...
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Post by: Stoney Mason on September 25, 2018, 02:34:02 PM
https://news.avclub.com/exclusive-mystery-science-theater-3000-s-new-season-ge-1829297286

Quote
Last Turkey Day, Netflix gave fans of bad movies and wisecracking robots something to be thankful for, renewing Mystery Science Theater 3000 for a 12th season. It was a fitting choice, extending the show’s Kickstarted revival on a date that’s long been synonymous with MST3K marathons and premieres.

And now, like the aunt who’s perfecting her stuffing recipe well in advance of the big meal, the streaming platform has done it again: The A.V. Club is the first to report that new episodes of MST3K will arrive on Netflix this Thanksgiving—Thursday, November 22—marking the show’s third decade of riffing.
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Post by: Svejk on November 08, 2018, 08:16:04 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8c0SI4qflQ

 :aweshum
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Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on November 14, 2018, 03:13:39 PM
https://youtu.be/WdBCpnqFNew

Mac and Me
 :rejoice :rejoice :rejoice
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 18, 2018, 01:20:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zj8z6fyMLKE
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 22, 2018, 09:37:36 PM
New season is up on netflix btw
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 23, 2018, 02:50:51 PM
I watched the first three last night.
Mac & Me: Brilliant. Atlantic Rim: Pretty Good. Lord of the Deep: Starting to get sleepy now.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 24, 2018, 11:48:49 AM
Ultimately, I think there was one great episode (Mac & Me) and five pretty good ones. That's not bad, I think there was only one great episode from Season 1 as well (Cry Wilderness). Something about children falling in with the supernatural, combined with inept filmmaking, always brings the lulz. The over-the-top product placement for McDonalds, Coke, and Skittles is just the icing on this turd.

Second best episode was The Day Time Ended, because that movie was just a cobbled together fever dream of wtf-ness. It was directed by John Cardos, who's had his oeuvre riffed on many times. He also directed Kingdom of Spiders (Rifftrax), Mutant (Rifftrax), and Outlaw of Gor (MST3K Season 5). This movie may be the most nutso of the lot.

Third best, probably Ator, the Fighting Eagle. I might have even rated it higher if I hadn't just seen it done a few months ago on Rifftrax. I love these corny sword and sorcery movies, and while this one doesn't quite have the gusto of a Deathstalker II, it makes up for it with the utter shamelessness of it's wholesale ripoff of the plot of Conan the Barbarian.

The bottom three movies were kind of eh whatever. Killer Fish is like the Ocean's Eleven of bad monster movies, but it was also just so dull. Atlantic Rim had some decent riffing, but it just feels like a wasted spot. These dime-a-dozen mockbusters don't scratch my bad movie itch. Lord of the Deep is an Abyss ripoff that just made my tired. At least it was shorter than The Abyss.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 24, 2018, 12:11:35 PM
I've watched 4 of them so far.

Mac and Me is solid riff. I'm so familiar with Mac and Me that it takes away a little of the fun for me though. But like I said, solid riffing job.

Atlantic Rim is probably solid but man I hate that movie. The lead character is such a douche. That movie is so annoying it takes away some of the joy of watching it.

Lords of the Deep is strictly average both in the riff and movie.

The Day Time Ended is probably my favorite so far. I wasn't familiar with it and the move is so god damn weird, that it feels like a revelation for me.


I'll finish off the other two soon.


The riffing in general is pretty good. Pacing is a bit better than the first season as they resist the temptation to overly stuff the amount of jokes and take a breath every now and then. The skits unfortunately are mostly duds. They still haven't improved on that front and they don't match the occasional funny awesomeness that the original show brought. I wish there were more episodes also. 8 to 10 episodes at least. But I'll take what I can get.


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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 24, 2018, 12:19:28 PM
It's for the best that they trimmed down the number of host segments this season, they're just not good.
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 25, 2018, 02:04:33 PM
Finished up the last two episodes.

Killer fish is mostly meh. The movie is just really boring outside of the last 20 minutes and there just wasn't a lot to riff on to make it interesting.

Ator the fighting eagle is okay. Not great, Not bad.

So the two standouts for the season are Mac and Me and The Day time Ended. The rest are varying levels of okay.

The riffing is probably slightly better than the first season but the choice of movies is generally worse imo. So its kind of a push. Especially since the first season just had so many more episodes and material for me to digest.

Two seasons in and I'm happy the new show exists and they've done some really good episodes but it hasn't yet reached the high points of the original show to me. The writing just isn't quite strong enough. They really need to work on that. Dump the invention exchange and write actual funny skits. The Mads in general are generally a disappointment. Patton Oswalt can be funny but the material just isn't there for him and Felicia Day just isn't comedically strong enough for my taste.

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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 25, 2018, 04:15:45 PM
The most infuriating part about Atlantic Rim (the movie) is that they set up this love triangle between the douchebro, the woman, and the sensitive black guy. They establish that the douchebro is a shitty boyfriend; she wants to go help the black guy do his charity work and the douchebro is like "nah babe, let's go to this party and get hammered af, woooo!" Then at the end, it looks like douchebro is gonna sacrifice himself for the greater good, but then it's like "lol j/k, straight white guys win again!"  :usacry
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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 25, 2018, 05:16:19 PM
Watched the first 5, will watch Ator after dinner tonight. Current ranking:

Mac and Me > The Day Time Ended > Killer Fish > Atlantic Rim > Lords of the Deep
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Post by: Human Snorenado on November 26, 2018, 10:43:57 AM
Ator is probably roughly equal to The Day Time Ended. The riffing is better on TDTE, but I personally enjoy watching shitty old fantasy movies, so it's a push.

I'm glad they keep doing these, it's a fun nostalgia trip.
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Post by: Himu on November 26, 2018, 10:50:42 AM
how is s2
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Post by: Himu on November 26, 2018, 10:52:25 AM
cry wilderness is still amazing.

[Cry Wilderness title card comes on the screen]

The guys: WILDERNESS!!!! :lol
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2018, 11:20:43 AM
how is s2

it's aight, watch Mac & Me and The Day Time Ended at least.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2018, 11:31:40 AM
btw, I watched Retro Puppet Master (w/Rifftrax) on Amazon Prime and good lord is this a bad movie. I haven't seen any of the Puppet Master movies besides the first one, so I'm thinking "okay, evil puppets killing people in pre-WWI Paris". Nope. There's almost no puppet action, and the bad guys are "mummies" that look like pasty guys with bad skin that kill people by pointing at them and saying "Die". I can't even imagine a less scary horror movie villain. The only redeeming value is Mark from The Room doing a bad French accent.
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Post by: Himu on November 26, 2018, 12:02:52 PM
btw, I watched Retro Puppet Master (w/Rifftrax) on Amazon Prime and good lord is this a bad movie. I haven't seen any of the Puppet Master movies besides the first one, so I'm thinking "okay, evil puppets killing people in pre-WWI Paris". Nope. There's almost no puppet action, and the bad guys are "mummies" that look like pasty guys with bad skin that kill people by pointing at them and saying "Die". I can't even imagine a less scary horror movie villain. The only redeeming value is Mark from The Room doing a bad French accent.

what

(https://i.imgur.com/cRfwKPU.jpg)
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Post by: Joe Molotov on November 26, 2018, 01:02:31 PM
https://thefederalist.com/2018/11/26/weve-learned-30-years-mystery-science-theater-3000/

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By presenting these ridiculous, horribly made films to the world, MST3k gave them that chance. That, more than anything, I think is its noblest legacy: it not only kept these films alive, but helped to spawn an entire industry based around finding and preserving films that don’t have any apparent value.

This allowed the work of thousands of people to be seen and appreciated. In spite of the ridicule, it showed that even some of the worst films ever made still have value.

:rejoice
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 26, 2018, 04:11:25 PM
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This allowed the work of thousands of people to be seen and appreciated. In spite of the ridicule, it showed that even some of the worst films ever made still have value.

:tocry
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Post by: Stoney Mason on December 03, 2018, 10:19:55 AM
https://www.twitch.tv/rifftrax

btw rifftrax often plays their stuff here.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on December 03, 2018, 10:36:06 AM
Watched The Wonderful Land of Oz, from the director of Rocket Attack USA, the Thumbelina short from Santa Claus and the Ice Cream Bunny, and Fanny Hill Meets Dr. Erotico. It was aight.
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Post by: zomgee on December 03, 2018, 10:55:38 AM
Watched Mr. B Natural again over the weekend. My god.
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Post by: Svejk on March 12, 2019, 08:55:10 AM
Holy shit.. It just dawned upon me that Kylo Ren is Canadian Villian, GARTH VADER from The Final Sacrifice.  Same voice, clad in all black and interrogating people for a map constantly.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on March 12, 2019, 09:24:04 AM
:ohhh
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 19, 2019, 06:42:24 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMpfe1ycKhg
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Post by: Great Rumbler on November 19, 2019, 07:25:12 PM
:rejoice
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Post by: Svejk on November 27, 2019, 07:45:56 AM
Nutflix has cancelled MST3K The Return.   :gloomy :fbm :mjcry
Hopefully it gets picked up somewhere else.  Fuck Netflix... I canceled their asses not long ago anyway.
https://news.avclub.com/itll-be-a-sad-thanksgiving-this-year-netflix-has-cance-1840058045
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Post by: porkbun on November 27, 2019, 08:42:19 AM
Netflix usually does that after shows have 2 or 3 successful seasons so the cast/crew can't re-negotiate for more money.  I'm sure the new MST3K gang can at least do a Patreon or Kickstarter to produce more episodes.  It's not like they cost a ton of money to make.

FYI Pluto TV has channels for both MST3K and Rifftrax.  I watched Escape 2000 the other night ("Toblerone!") and it sent me down a rabbit hole of early 80s US/Italian Mad Max/The Warriors ripoffs.
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Post by: Svejk on November 27, 2019, 08:52:02 AM
Netflix usually does that after shows have 2 or 3 successful seasons so the cast/crew can't re-negotiate for more money.  I'm sure the new MST3K gang can at least do a Patreon or Kickstarter to produce more episodes.  It's not like they cost a ton of money to make.

FYI Pluto TV has channels for both MST3K and Rifftrax.  I watched Escape 2000 the other night ("Toblerone!") and it sent me down a rabbit hole of early 80s US/Italian Mad Max/The Warriors ripoffs.
Yeah, I put Pluto on whatever device I have solely for those channels.  Wish they would change up the content a bit more often.
Supposedly Rifftrax started a Patreon for a monthly subscription iirc? 
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Post by: Stoney Mason on November 27, 2019, 11:50:36 AM
Yeah the handwriting was kinda on the wall after the decreased number of episodes for Season 2 of the reboot.

Unfortunate because I really grew to like Jonah, Baron, & Hampton. I thought they did a really good job. Hopefully something pans out for the future.
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Post by: Svejk on November 27, 2019, 12:40:14 PM
Same.  I thought they nailed it pretty damn well. 
I remember being annoyed at first when Mike replaced Joel back then, but Mike slayed it...  Arguably better than Joel. 
Best entertainment.  MST3K must live on.
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Post by: kingv on November 27, 2019, 05:26:41 PM
Netflix usually does that after shows have 2 or 3 successful seasons so the cast/crew can't re-negotiate for more money.  I'm sure the new MST3K gang can at least do a Patreon or Kickstarter to produce more episodes.  It's not like they cost a ton of money to make.

FYI Pluto TV has channels for both MST3K and Rifftrax.  I watched Escape 2000 the other night ("Toblerone!") and it sent me down a rabbit hole of early 80s US/Italian Mad Max/The Warriors ripoffs.

I heard they screwed their kickstarter people pretty good last time.

A friend of mine sent them $500 and said he felt ripped off the way they handled it.

The biggest part, ironically, had to do with the Netflix stuff and some kind of coffee table book that they got Ofer a certain level. Supporters were apparently supposed to get the episodes first, but after Netflix stepped in it didn’t happen and then the book was apparently really poorly shipped and a lot of people got copies that were damaged in the mail.
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Post by: Great Rumbler on December 27, 2019, 07:50:01 PM
https://www.rifftrax.com/attack-of-the-super-monsters

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When stop-motion dinosaurs meet anime superheroes, only one thing is certain: things are about to get dumb as hell!
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Post by: Joe Molotov on February 04, 2020, 01:00:45 PM
https://twitter.com/MST3K_UK/status/1224214458744164352

"This is the one. This is the one I'll be remembered for."
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Post by: Stoney Mason on February 23, 2020, 05:06:54 PM
https://www.sacurrent.com/ArtSlut/archives/2020/02/22/some-really-amazing-things-are-gonna-happen-movie-riffing-extraordinaire-joel-hodgson-talks-mst3k-and-mortality
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Post by: Stoney Mason on March 28, 2020, 10:56:30 AM
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Cinema Editions are newly restored versions of films featured on, "Mystery Science Theater 3000".  These are produced from the highest quality disc sources available. They are meticulously re-synced and remixed with the audio from the original corresponding episode of the television show.

There are no opening/closing show themes, segment skits, or host silhouettes.  These uncut versions of films are being presented as they were originally shown in theaters and on television, while retaining the "MST3K Audience Experience".

I've been digging these lately before bed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0dOOxxixfQ
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Post by: benjipwns on March 29, 2020, 02:27:03 AM
Space Mutiny is probably the only MST3K movie I've ever actually found in the "wild" some channel was playing it late at night. Seeing the scenes they cut was like DVD extras.
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Post by: Joe Molotov on March 29, 2020, 04:10:44 AM
I’ve been subbed to the MST3K Cinema Editions channel for a while, it’s fun to rewatch and see what they cut out. Pretty sure Space Mutiny is actually worse in the uncut version (they cut out some really repetitive fight scenes and more BSG stock footage).
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Post by: Stoney Mason on April 29, 2020, 10:40:13 PM
https://news.avclub.com/exclusive-mystery-science-theater-3000-returns-for-soc-1843156549


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The A.V. Club is the first to announce the Mystery Science Theater 3000 Live Riff-Along, a special streaming event taking place May 3 at 6 p.m. ET. Coupled with a new short, Circus Day, the centerpiece is a screening of the vintage MST3K episode Moon Zero Two, which will find the show’s touring cast riffing between the jokes their first-season counterparts first made in 1990.

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The Riff-Along will also be carried via the MST3K channels on Pluto TV, Stirr, Xumo, Redbox, and Vizio.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 03, 2020, 11:45:07 PM
i was looking for something else to watch on netflix and this came up. iv'e heard people mention this show for years, but never actually saw it. is the premise basically this dude and his robot friends real time shitting on bad movies the entire time?
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Post by: Stoney Mason on July 03, 2020, 11:47:21 PM
Yes
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Post by: Oblivion on July 03, 2020, 11:58:10 PM
cool, just makin' sure
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Post by: Stoney Mason on July 04, 2020, 12:02:34 AM
Definitely give the netflix show a try. It's pretty good. And probably more accessible to a younger person than the older show which has older cultural references although the best of the old show is absolutely terrific and better than the netflix show. 

Try episode 2 of Season 1 of the Netflix show. Cry Wilderness is a banger of an episode and the best one of the new show imo.

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Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2020, 12:14:13 AM
i'm about finish episode 1, so i'll get right on that.

really liking what i've seen so far. way funnier than i expected.
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Post by: Oblivion on July 04, 2020, 12:18:36 AM
also, it's one thing to make a bad movie, but who the fuck was the target audience for mac and me supposed to be?  :brazilcry
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Post by: Great Rumbler on July 04, 2020, 10:29:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cW-5qrwsiOI
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Post by: GreatSageEqualOfHeaven on July 04, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
also, it's one thing to make a bad movie, but who the fuck was the target audience for mac and me supposed to be?  :brazilcry

mcdonalds and coca cola marketing executives
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Post by: Skullfuckers Anonymous on April 07, 2021, 05:37:08 PM
Kickstarter for a new season is up.

They’re going to make their own streaming service for the new episodes.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/mst3k/makemoremst3k

$100 for all the episodes (3 to start, 12 if they hit the 5.5 million goal).
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Post by: Great Rumbler on April 07, 2021, 07:34:14 PM
I'll drop at least $35 on that before it ends.
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Post by: Svejk on April 07, 2021, 09:41:55 PM
Dove in the Sueprdeep to post this. 
Backed!