TNG > *
It has good parts and bad.
so by process of elimination i should start with DS9
TNG then DS9 yes. Never, ever Voyager.
TNG then DS9 yes. Never, ever Voyager.
This is my prerogative too.
Original series is fine as well.
so then why is voyager so divisive? Kinda thinking about starting with TNG
so then why is voyager so divisive? Kinda thinking about starting with TNG
:lolIt has good parts and bad.
okay stoney
You want to know what Voyager should have been? Watch the first 3 seasons of BSG.(http://i.imgur.com/ysB3H.jpg)
EDIT: Actually the Doctor was great too.
:rofl at dr. crusher being exposed to alien viruses , energy and everything terrible. no mercy for MILF widows i suppose
I'm rewatching DS9 myself at the moment. DS9 may be the best of the series. It is so very dark compared to the rest of the Trek series. Extremely good writing.
The only episode of Voyager I can remember was the one where Janeway and one of the other members of the crew got up to warp 10 and evolved into lizards, which then mated. It was probably the worst episode of Star Trek ever.Fuck that poo episode. Fuck it to hell.
I suppose the success of the rebooted Star Trek movie has stalled any possibility of seeing a new television series.yup, sadly.
It sucks because we'll never learn how the Federation and the different empires fared in the aftermath of Dominion War, which shifted the balance of power in the quadrant.
There'll be a new TV series. I just think it'll be a reboot, and largely ignore any of the older stuff. For better or worse.It will be insta poo :(
Year of Hell two part redeems voyager- watch it if you haventIt was originally conceived to be an entire season of the show or at least a half-season, but all viewers hate serialized stories so it became a two-parter.
I suppose the success of the rebooted Star Trek movie has stalled any possibility of seeing a new television series.There are novels that are considered canon that follow up after Nemesis, DS9 and Voyager. The DS9 ones in particular are pretty good and do explore that post-War situation.
It sucks because we'll never learn how the Federation and the different empires fared in the aftermath of Dominion War, which shifted the balance of power in the quadrant.
Borg lady (might redeem herself hopefully)Unless you view her as purely eye candy, you will be in for a rough ride
On Voyager though everything was top-down controlled, they couldn't do this, they had to use that, conflict amongst the crew wasn't allowed (even though one of the original core premises was the conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet)
:bawl :bawl :bawl :bawl Tasha Yar
It has good parts and bad.
okay stoney
this new chick who replaced Dr. Crusher sucks ass. I hate her
On Voyager though everything was top-down controlled, they couldn't do this, they had to use that, conflict amongst the crew wasn't allowed (even though one of the original core premises was the conflict between the Maquis and Starfleet)
I remember it was weird how they built that up at the start and almost immediately forgot about it. TBH it would probably have been lame anyway if they'd followed through (and dragged it out over years of being in situations where it was totally irrelevant?)
Just finished S1. I really liked it, even though it was maybe too episodic to be really considered good. I'll definitely keep watching.
I'm watching an episode of TNG on BBC America about Troi falling in love with some boring looking guy. It's pretty much terrible.Well of course it is; its a Troi episode after all. Her character is the eye candy except she always keeps her clothes on and has nothing really going for her except for big boobs and a lack of competition.
true villain of the series, Captain Janeway.
Also I'm :rofl at how much of this show/universe was taken to build Mass Effect. It's not copy-pasting, its like taking the skeleton of Star Trek and painting over it with Bioware.
Season 3 is also when the costumes changed from those lame tight fitting jumpsuits. I like it when they stand up and tug down on the top half.
If anyone likes reading Star Trek stuff, Peter David has a series which is pretty good, New Frontier, featuring many of the popular recurring characters from TNG and DS9.New Frontier is probably the best Trek book series. The DS9 Relaunch is maybe the only thing close.
If anyone likes reading Star Trek stuff, Peter David has a series which is pretty good, New Frontier, featuring many of the popular recurring characters from TNG and DS9.New Frontier is probably the best Trek book series. The DS9 Relaunch is maybe the only thing close.
fuck the cardassians are ugly. they look like humans covered in foreskins
Yeah, whats the deal with that? Should I finish TNG or concurrently start DS9 at some point?You should finish TNG. For what overlap there is, DS9 effectively takes place after TNG ends.
Deanna troi is the worst character ever.No.
I can sense annoyance in this post. Yar > Troi.
i....i think Data just had sexHe is programmed in multiple pleasure-giving techniques. ;)
so why exactly do we hate Wesley again? apart from him being too smart
“Gee, golly, gosh, gloriosky,” thought Mary Sue as she stepped on the bridge of the Enterprise. “Here I am, the youngest lieutenant in the fleet – only fifteen and a half years old.” Captain Kirk came up to her.
“Oh, Lieutenant, I love you madly. Will you come to bed with me?”
“Captain! I am not that kind of girl!”
“You’re right, and I respect you for it. Here, take over the ship for a minute while I go get some coffee for us.”
Mr. Spock came onto the bridge. “What are you doing in the command seat, Lieutenant?”
“The Captain told me to.”
“Flawlessly logical. I admire your mind.”
captain jellico seems like a huuuuuuge douche
gaius baltar was definitely inspired by Dr. bashirBoth of them :bow
young picard in tapestry is awesome
they should make a show about young picard punching aliens and sleeping around
I 'finished' TNG. In truth only saw half the episodes, but really enjoyed it and I'll go through those later on. Final episode was an amazing way to end things (err, ignoring the movies).
Starting up Deep Space 9, so far it feels like Star Trek: Mall Cops. Naturally there's going to be a shift from Enterprise exploring the universe with Picard (:bow2) to a space base with some new guy running things. I like that o'brien is on the show. He's one of the likable B characters from TNG. And Bashir totally is a sincere Baltar. Kira is nothing yet. The arab trader alien is OK. Sisko isn't anything yet. Odo is cool; seems like a better security person than Worf or Tasha. Dax is conceptually interesting, because it's a 20-something looking life form with several lives worth of accumulated knowledge, but it's hardly a character yet.
yea im pretty lukewarm on Ds9 right now for like the exact same reason you are. Odos character especially has no endearing quality to it. he just seems like a perpetual penis. my favorite chars as of right now are qwark and bashir pretty ehhhhhh on everyone else.OBrien was indeed a good pick for this. they should have also added in the guy living in holofantasies.from engineering.
yea im pretty lukewarm on Ds9 right now for like the exact same reason you are. Odos character especially has no endearing quality to it. he just seems like a perpetual penis. my favorite chars as of right now are qwark and bashir pretty ehhhhhh on everyone else.OBrien was indeed a good pick for this. they should have also added in the guy living in holofantasies.from engineering.
i hate Nog so fucking much. little shifty cunthahahaha
I imagine I'm the only one who feels this way, but Bashir and Garak are my favorite parts of DS9.
I imagine I'm the only one who feels this way, but Bashir and Garak are my favorite parts of DS9.you are not alone
Just don't get the hate of tng Season 2. distinguished black fellows are.crazyThere's not hate, it's just not very good. It's better than s1, for sure, but that's not saying much.
lmao at sisqo's off duty clothes. wearing some mad max beyond the afrikaa bambataa thunderdome shyt:lol
lwaxana troy again ajsbdnrjendhdn
lmao at sisqo's off duty clothes. wearing some mad max beyond the afrikaa bambataa thunderdome shyt:lol
lwaxana troy again ajsbdnrjendhdn
Honestly, she's a great character. She elicits such a reaction from fans; ST:TNG needed its own non-defeatable heel character, and there she is...
"She's really beating the stuffing out of him," observed Riker. "What do you think we should do?" "Sell tickets," rumbled Worf.
im so sad that im 4/7ths finished with DS9 and only shit Voyager awaits me after
i'll have to watch the original series next
lwaxana troy again ajsbdnrjendhdn
Honestly, she's a great character. She elicits such a reaction from fans; ST:TNG needed its own non-defeatable heel character, and there she is...
Read Q In Law by Peter David. Q marries Lwaxana, gives her the power of Q, but then dumps her. The Q prevent him from taking the power away from him so she proceeds to kick his ass all over the ship. It has one of the greatest Worf one-liners ever:Quote"She's really beating the stuffing out of him," observed Riker. "What do you think we should do?" "Sell tickets," rumbled Worf.
I am starting to really dislike Worf. He learns nothing. He never changes. He's prone to being fooled and making the same and simple mistakes. Hell he even gets beat up sometimes. I liked him better in TNG.Sadly, I think Worf falls prey to writers wanting to show how tough the monster is by having it best Worf. Instead, basically Worf just looks like he's the only person to get beat up all the time.
i think i agree with you momo. ds9 overall has better writing and even maybe dialogue.... but im gonna be honest. i think i like TNG better. the cast is just so much more memorable, the aesthetic more enjoyable, even a better sense of humor. i think DS9 is objectively better, but TNG is just special man. i cant even justify it tbhMy man :bow
i think i agree with you momo. ds9 overall has better writing and even maybe dialogue.... but im gonna be honest. i think i like TNG better. the cast is just so much more memorable, the aesthetic more enjoyable, even a better sense of humor. i think DS9 is objectively better, but TNG is just special man. i cant even justify it tbh
i think i agree with you momo. ds9 overall has better writing and even maybe dialogue.... but im gonna be honest. i think i like TNG better. the cast is just so much more memorable, the aesthetic more enjoyable, even a better sense of humor. i think DS9 is objectively better, but TNG is just special man. i cant even justify it tbh
The cast was endearing to me because each member represented or subscribed to the spotless morality of the Federation in their own way. They were always going forward to become better than what they were, valantly seeking to improve the lives of others without infringing on their natural rights or asking for anything in exchange outside of knowledge. I felt I could trust any of the cast members with my life.
DS9, on the other hand, spoiled the Federation's innocence and, by extension, those of the characters as well, by retrofitting Federation moral and political system with semblances of Machiavellianism, particularly during the Dominion War where crude ends started justifying favorable means. We've seen it with some of Sisko's decisions that resulted in the deliberate killing of unsuspecting individuals. We've seen it with the introduction of Section 31. The notion of a pure Federation was cast in forever doubt, and while some praised the gritty direction of the series, others like myself call it for what it is - a cop out to boost ratings. Because the Federation was supposed to be perfect and ideal but its purity was forever tarnished in the name of "realism" -- when, in fact, this realism is only applicable to today's world and today's people, not to those in the future who're, by Roddenberry's original vision, supposed to be more advanced, civilized, and enlightened.
does section 31 ever show up again? as much as I like the idyllic federation from TNG and parts of DS9, the thought that it's supported by men who do what's necessary is compelling. the three members you see are all human. I'm left wondering if it's an exclusively human run group. A 'can't risk other species leaking the information' sort of thing.
They keep giving us these episodes where Tupac loses his shit because of some vulcan bs too, at least keep that gimmick to once a season smh
Especially with Janeway, there is no fucking way someone's reliance on starfleet principles would make them turn down so many routes to get home quick.It's not Janeway's adherence to Starfleet principles, the Prime Directive or anything. It's because she's the villain and stranded/kept them there because it made her the most powerful person among their "tribe." Everything she does over the entire series is based around this central goal of maintaining her power*.
i finished voyager. It sucked. there were like 10 legit great episodes. 7 seasons of trash:bow
almost afraid to watch enterprise
i was on season 4 and skipped to 7.Doubt you want to go back but here's a few from season four, five and six I think are alright or better* or too stupid to miss or whatever you might go back for if a synopsis catches your fancy:
deeper I get into star trek, the more confused I get by the negative response to the 2009 film.
decon chamber :wtf
did gainan oil down riker off camera? or does this get phased out by the 24th century?
decon chamber :wtf
did gainan oil down riker off camera? or does this get phased out by the 24th century?
I am missing the reference. Was this in an episode, or are your referring to some Ted Danson action for Riker?
deeper I get into star trek, the more confused I get by the negative response to the 2009 film.I actually dislike Star Trek as a film more than I dislike it as a Star Trek film. If that makes any sense. (And like it more than Generations and V at the very least.)
Bakula Enterprise had a "decontamination chamber" that they went through after away missions, which was just a blatant excuse to get T'Pol naked and all oiled up.
So I watched 'The Captains' last night, really interesting.
5)Avery Brooks. this dude is cool as hell but he's also weird as shit. he has this allegorical/metaphorical way of speaking sometimes that actually just makes him seem like Ben Sisko IRL. I feel like he might be a little crazy.
5)Avery Brooks. this dude is cool as hell but he's also weird as shit. he has this allegorical/metaphorical way of speaking sometimes that actually just makes him seem like Ben Sisko IRL. I feel like he might be a little crazy.
3)Patrick Stewart is just god.
3)Patrick Stewart is just god.
He's amazing in anything.
"But it was too late. I'd already seen everything."
That is a damned fine finale to a show.
Too bad about those movies, huh?
TOS has always been my favorite. I like the origin stuff and I like the big three more than any other Star Trek characters. Certainly childhood nostalgia plays a part in that. As far as filler TNG is just as filled with it. Not that I don't like TNG.
Filler/frivolous episodes live or die on the characters, imo. TOS and TNG have great casts, so fillers are another excuse see them interact with one another.
if you skipped all the shitty episodes of voyager, you might have a season of television
if you skipped all the shitty episodes of voyager, you might have a season of television
"I think its home and its heart is really in television. That's really what Star Trek is - the core concept is really a TV show.
"I think the features are good and I really admire what JJ Abrams has done with the last two films - I think it's great - but the heart and soul of that franchise demands a return to television.
"The kinds of stories that you'll tell in the features space are not the kinds of stories that made that show so popular. The features all have to be action-oriented.
"They all have to have enormous stakes - the Earth or the Federation or the universe has to be in jeopardy - and the features always have to surround the Captain… and maybe one other character.
"The TV shows were morality plays, they were more thematic, they were examining society in different ways. Sometimes the stakes were just one crew member's life, sometimes the stakes were just one alien world or the Enterprise.
"You could do a story that was just about Data (Brent Spiner) or a story that was just about McCoy (DeForest Kelley) or about the characters who lived below decks on the Enterprise.
"The TV show is really what Star Trek is to me. I think the features are great, but I think it has to return to TV if it's going to remain an ongoing franchise."
Moore went on to admit that he would "love" to bring Trek back to television, so is a TV revival for Gene Roddenberry's great space odyssey just around the corner? Well… not quite.
"I'd love to do Star Trek again, in all honesty," Moore said. "But I also don't have a great new Star Trek idea.
"I'm not saying I know exactly how to do a new TV show - I don't. Maybe I shouldn't do it until I have that great epiphany!"
Found out you can stream/download all the TNG Remasters on Amazon Video, been watching some random season one.
God Awful Trek has never looked so good. :lawd
I wish they had killed Troi or Crusher instead of Yar, she was the best character in the first season.
When can I start watching DS9 on my rewatch? I want to watch in chronological order and I'm post-Borg Picard so I guess I'm in the green?
I love the episode where they go to the sex planet and welsey refuses to get laid. He trips over some sacred construction cone and they try to execute him. That episode is rad.
TNG was probably different enough from all the other scifi shows on TV at the time that people weren't as hard on it then as they are now.
I remember being a little kid and watching first run episodes with my dad and thinking every one was amazing. :heart
I love the episode where they go to the sex planet and welsey refuses to get laid. He trips over some sacred construction cone and they try to execute him. That episode is rad.IIRC, the main writing staff fucked up so many scripts they got in the first two seasons, for example that episode started like this:
Writer John D.F. Black used his pseudonym "Ralph Willis" in the credits, because the televised episode bears little resemblance to his original first draft script. In Black's treatment, the colony of Llarof installed "punishment zones" to fight anarchy, however the zones are now enforced to abide the law, but for only those who are deemed not immune to them. An Enterprise-D security guard, Officer Tenson, protecting two children while on shore leave, happens upon a crime scene, and is shot dead by the policeman Siwel, who is also killed by his partner Oitap on the spot, for misinterpreting his duty. In his first draft, Picard decides not to help the rebels led by Reneg who fight against this system of council member Trebor. Finally, it turns out the rebels install a similarly totalitarian regime when they gain power. In the second draft, the rebel leader, called Reneg is put on trial and executed for treason. Picard muses on the topic of people having their right to decide their own justice without interference.
I love the episode where they go to the sex planet and welsey refuses to get laid. He trips over some sacred construction cone and they try to execute him. That episode is rad.IIRC, the main writing staff fucked up so many scripts they got in the first two seasons, for example that episode started like this:QuoteWriter John D.F. Black used his pseudonym "Ralph Willis" in the credits, because the televised episode bears little resemblance to his original first draft script. In Black's treatment, the colony of Llarof installed "punishment zones" to fight anarchy, however the zones are now enforced to abide the law, but for only those who are deemed not immune to them. An Enterprise-D security guard, Officer Tenson, protecting two children while on shore leave, happens upon a crime scene, and is shot dead by the policeman Siwel, who is also killed by his partner Oitap on the spot, for misinterpreting his duty. In his first draft, Picard decides not to help the rebels led by Reneg who fight against this system of council member Trebor. Finally, it turns out the rebels install a similarly totalitarian regime when they gain power. In the second draft, the rebel leader, called Reneg is put on trial and executed for treason. Picard muses on the topic of people having their right to decide their own justice without interference.
René Echevarria recalled, "I can still reduce Brannon to shudders when I go into his office and say, 'I can travel on the power transfer beam'. But the cast loved it. Every woman on the lot who read it was coming up to Brannon and patting him. Ultimately I think it was worth doing because it was campy fun and the production values were wonderful. The sets look great and everybody threw themselves into it. Gates did a wonderful job. It just got bigger and broader and to the point of grandmother leaping out of the grave. Just having Beverly basically writhing around having an orgasm at 6 o'clock on family TV was great. For that alone it was worth doing. We got away with murder."
"Are you saying that's why I feel so hot...so strange?"-Great awesome Naked Now dialogue:
"That's... that's a bit of adult reasoning, Wesley."
"So you mean I'm drunk! I feel strange, but also good."
Capt. Picard: [entering Crusher's office with a little skip] Beverly.-Horrific fan fiction found trying to search for that last quote: http://www.trekiverse.org/archive/2000/adult/tng/Scent_A
Doctor Beverly Crusher: Yes, Jean-Luc?
Capt. Picard: *You* will address me as *Captain.*
Doctor Beverly Crusher: Captain? Well then, my dear Captain, *you* will address *me* as *Chief Medical Officer* or *Doctor.*
Capt. Picard: I will? That's true. I started off calling you Beverly, and of course, naturally, you. I'm still not thinking straight.
Doctor Beverly Crusher: Likewise. Where the hell was I headed?
Capt. Picard: If that's something you were going to test...
Doctor Beverly Crusher: [brightening] Yes, on *Geordi!* Come here.
The episode were Yar gets kidnapped by Zulu warriors was :neogaf :gurl
This is generally considered by critics as one of the worst episodes of the series. The Sci-Fi Channel (and possibly the production team) seems to hold it in similar disdain, because it is rarely if ever re-run in syndication.
This is the first of eleven episodes of Stargate SG-1 written by Katharyn Powers. She is also responsible for the very similar (both in story and reception) Star Trek: The Next Generation Season One episode "Code of Honor". Both episode feature a female officer being abducted and later participating in a fight to the death. Given the extremely negative fan and critical reception to that episode, it seems surprising that this one was made.
Jonathan Frakes referred to the episode as a "racist piece of shit". At a 2007 science fiction convention in Toronto, Canada, he told the audience, "The worst and most embarrassing and one that even Gene would have been embarrassed by was that horrible racist episode from the first season... Code of Honor, oh my God in heaven!"
At the 2013 Toronto Comic Con's "An Evening With the Cast of Star Trek: The Next Generation", Michael Dorn referred to this episode as "the worst episode of Star Trek ever filmed" to agreement from the rest of the cast and the crowd.
She was probably secretly thirsty for the BBC. :drool
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/kirks_shirt.htm
:lol
Turnabout Intruder Janice Lester is in Kirk's body when McCoy orders him to report for a medical exam because of his (actually her) "emotional instability and erratic mental attitudes". In a way, this is the only topless woman we ever see on Star Trek.:lol
I am watching tng right now the episode where that scientist wants to take data apart to study him, at the part where he walks in and eye humps the shit outta data and data looks violated, and Riker is like what the fuck is going on.I don't remember the leg humping, but every time I see that episode, I wonder what the hell is going on. Data is a member of Starfleet. His status as an independent being should be inviolate simply based on that. They don't make computers members of Starfleet.
:heh
Scotty actor Simon Pegg will be givin' her all she's got, cap'n, behind the camera as well as in front of it on Star Trek 3.
Deadline reports that Pegg, who plays the USS Enterprise's chief engineer Montgomery Scott in the rebooted film series, will co-write the script with Doug Jung, the creator of the TNT series Dark Blue. The original Trek 3 script had been worked on by Roberto Orci, who dropped out of both directing and writing the film. (Patrick McKay and John D. Payne were also writers on Trek 3.)
Pegg's no stranger to screenwriting having co-written the "Cornetto Trilogy" with director-pal Edgar Wright and the sci-fi comedy Paul with Nick Frost.
Stoney, this is GREAT NEWS. Pegg knows his Trek, and will likely bring it more in line with what original trek fans enjoy about the series. I’m stoked!QuoteScotty actor Simon Pegg will be givin' her all she's got, cap'n, behind the camera as well as in front of it on Star Trek 3.
Deadline reports that Pegg, who plays the USS Enterprise's chief engineer Montgomery Scott in the rebooted film series, will co-write the script with Doug Jung, the creator of the TNT series Dark Blue. The original Trek 3 script had been worked on by Roberto Orci, who dropped out of both directing and writing the film. (Patrick McKay and John D. Payne were also writers on Trek 3.)
Pegg's no stranger to screenwriting having co-written the "Cornetto Trilogy" with director-pal Edgar Wright and the sci-fi comedy Paul with Nick Frost.
Man this movie just seems to be cursed. I like Pegg. And I like Lin. I'm just not sure this movie will be anything like what I remotely want a trek movie to be. (Not that I thought the first two were. So maybe any change is good.)
Watch them go out with a good film full of Trekkiness right as the reboot franchise is collapsing in on itself.I’d be OK with that if the film’s success is enough to spur a new TV series, with Pegg as a consultant or Exec. Prod.
Decent read if you are a tos nerd like me.
http://io9.com/the-truth-about-what-went-wrong-with-the-third-season-o-1684057419
"I called him, told him I wanted to come speak with him, and then I went to his office to chew his ass out and to tell him that I thought he was letting everybody down... I went in there and I said, 'Gene, we've got tremendous script problems, and I really think Fred Freiberger could use your help.' Now, as I continue talking, out of the back of Gene's office comes Nichelle Nichols, who's wearing one of Gene's long cardigan sweaters, and NOTHING ELSE! No shirt, no pants, nothing... So now Nichelle says something like, 'Oh, I'm sorry, Eddie, I didn't know you were there.' I'm immediately going red and I'm completely flustered until I notice that Gene's just kind of sitting at his desk, smiling and enjoying the embarrassed look on my face."
ha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1IIdzCHgcM
I would rather bring back Data if they want to bring back a TNG character, Worf was unwelcome in my book on DS9. :patel
I would rather bring back Data if they want to bring back a TNG character, Worf was unwelcome in my book on DS9. :patel
Wouldn't want to see Data without Brent Spiner, and he's too old at this point to still do a proper Data, unfortunately. Maybe in a very minor role or cameo.
spoiler (click to show/hide)The actor probably got old and flabnsick too though. :neogaf[close]
Everyone in Star Trek is old.
I don't get why there isn't always a ST series going, same with staregate. Shit can make money. Maybe not big money but money.
Even so, just looking at Terry Ferrell makes most of the Miles and Keiko damage fall away. Damn, she is a beautiful woman. I was crushing hard from the first time I saw her, in that miserable Hellraiser movie where one Cenobite shot out compact discs.
Nah Jadzia > Ezri everytime.
I'm #teamkira though
"Star Trek: Voyager" actress Jennifer Lien is behind bars after cops arrested her for allegedly exposing herself to 3 kids under 13.
We've learned 2 weeks ago Lien was at her Tennessee home when she got in an argument with her neighbor outside her house. She was angry that a small child was crying over a cut foot.
Lien allegedly exposed her breasts and rear end to the 3 neighbor kids. Cops took a report and Lien denied exposing herself. But they didn't believe her and got a warrant for her arrest.
When cops went to Lien's house to arrest her she didn't go down without a fight. Cops say she refused to put clothes on, was carried to the police car and threatened to have them shot and killed.
In July 2012, Lien was arrested in Tennessee for domestic assault.
In April 2015, Lien was arrested in Harriman, Tennessee, and charged with evading arrest, resisting arrest, reckless endangerment and aggravated assault
rewatched this ep
http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Children_of_Time_(episode)
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Alex Kurtzman will serve as executive producer for the new Star Trek TV series.
Alex KurtzmanFUCK YOU SATAN
Executive producer(s)
Anthony E. Zuiker
Jerry Bruckheimer
Carol Mendelsohn
Ann Donahue
Jonathan Littman
Pam Veasey
Producer(s)
Mary Aiken
Mike Azzolino
Matt Whitney
Co-Executives
Richard Catalani
Craig S. O'Neill
Kristie Anne Reed
Agatha Warren
Vikki Williams
Executive producer(s)
Shonda Rhimes
Allan Heinberg
Betsy Beers
Debbie Allen
James D. Parriott
Jeannine Renshaw
Jeff Rafner
Joan Rater
Kent Hodder
Krista Vernoff
Mark Gordon
Mark Wilding
Marti Noxon
Nancy Bordson
Peter Horton
Rob Corn
Stacy McKee
Steve Mulholland
Tony Phelan
William Harper
Zoanne Clack
Producer(s)
Ann Kindberg
Austin Guzman
Elisabeth R. Finch
Gabrielle G. Stanton
Harry Werksman
Jeff Rafner
Linda Klein
Mark Foreman
Mimi Schmir
Peter Norwalk
Stacy McKee
Tammy Ann Casper
William Harper
Zoanne Clack
I can understand that. I honestly just hope the TV series is more in the spirit of Trek.
Now I just want to rewatch Master and Commander
Star Trek is naval films set in space. It's not about one character punching another character. Or if it is that is just one small part of it.
are there any films that are in the same class as master and commander when it comes to naval stuff? submarines, space ships, whatever, etc.
Master and Commander should have been like 20 movies. What a great movie.It was supposed to be launching a series, but it was effectively a bomb. It's based off a series of like 20 books: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aubrey%E2%80%93Maturin_series
I once was at a talk with Nicholas Meyer and his comparison point was Horatio Hornblower but Master and Commander works too. That should be the spirit of a trek film.You can tell this with the theme he had composed for the film and is used throughout, I've always heard it described as "swashbuckling" and similar:
[Elba's] playing someone named Kraal (which is Faraci’s guess at how it’s spelled) who, despite the Klingon-sounding name, is from a species we’ve never seen before.
Lin says that Kraal is going to question Kirk and crew about the Federation’s ideology:
I really like his character because he’s challenging the Federation’s philosophy, and it’s something growing up I wanted to see. He’s a character that has a distinct philosophy. Sometimes I watch Trek and I see utopia in San Francisco, and you think “They don’t have money, so how do they live, how do they compete?” Those are things that his character, in a way, has a very distinct and valid point of view about…when someone is really challenging a way of life, how the Federation should act, I can see – right or wrong – that this is a valid point of view, and that’s a point of entry.”
Many have noticed that Roberto Orci, John Payne, and Patrick McKay are listed as co-writers in both the trailer and a recent IMAX press release. According to Lin, the film’s writers are Simon Pegg and Doug Jung:
The WGA has to figure it out, because I don’t know who those writers are, I never met them. I came on, I had an idea and then Simon and Doug came on. I had one conversation with Orci after I came on, and that was it.
When asked if any elements whatsoever were reused from previous scripts, Lin is very clear:
Nothing was refurbished [from the first script] because I don’t know what was done before I came on.
Ultimately, the script will go to arbitration and the Writer’s Guild will make the final call on who receives screenwriting credits, but it appears that the Star Trek Beyond script is exclusively a Pegg/Jung production.
"It was very action-packed -- yeah, it was surprising. I find [the trailer] to be the marketing people saying 'Everybody come and see this film, it's full of action and fun!'...
There's a lot more to [the movie] than that. I didn't love [the trailer] because I know there's a lot more to the film. There's a lot more story, and a lot more character stuff, and a lot more of what I call 'Star Trek stuff.'
But, you know, [Paramount has to] bring a big audience in; they've got to bang the drum. To the 'Star Trek' fans, I'd say hang in there and be patient."
some OK dumb action flick franchise.Dumb? DUMB?
I'll be honest, they're entertaining to me and I get their appeal I just never found them to reach any level near my favorite dumb action movies. Call me a hater just never thought they were that good. Then again I really enjoyed Expendables 2, so what do I know?
I'll be honest, they're entertaining to me and I get their appeal I just never found them to reach any level near my favorite dumb action movies. Call me a hater just never thought they were that good. Then again I really enjoyed Expendables 2, so what do I know?I can see the criticism for sure I don't disagree with being skeptical and I had my own doubts when Lin was announced. But the way both he and Pegg almost immediately took issue with the trailer's vibe and dismissed Orci's work, along with the good parts of the trailer in terms of setting, etc. I'm hoping this one can hit that middle ground it needs to, maybe setup even better future films (Pine and Quinto both got back on board with new contracts after doing this one when they were suggesting post-ID they were done with the films after 3) and help get the new TV series off the ground even if they're unattached.
andrex tier opinion
Just posting in support of Wrath. F&F is trash.
:rejoice
I'm just saying I think he has the capabilities. If he gets Trek, we will see the results. JJ never got Trek and it shows even if they're fun dumb Star Wars stuff.
Anyways, Star Trek premieres in two years. You have two years to brush up on your shit, Wrath. Watch TOS or its movie series. All of them are good to great.
I need to go back to DS9 when I'm back in Japan. I think the thing which keeps sending me away is the generally dark and dour tone, the lessened emphasis on humor
westtxtapper 6 months ago
We never do find out how is the spiced pudding!
Also: Bev Crusher and Deanna Troi have some kind of tantric hold over my nostalgia-riddled hormones. My goodness. ::fans self::
Braga noted the show was not popular among who he dubbed "hard-core fans". "I've come to notice that whenever you infuse a show with sexual themes, some of these fans seem to short-circuit. I mean, the weather array malfunction causing thunderstorms – it was fun!"
René Echevarria recalled, "I can still reduce Brannon to shudders when I go into his office and say, 'I can travel on the power transfer beam'. But the cast loved it. Every woman on the lot who read it was coming up to Brannon and patting him. Ultimately I think it was worth doing because it was campy fun and the production values were wonderful. The sets look great and everybody threw themselves into it. Gates did a wonderful job. It just got bigger and broader and to the point of grandmother leaping out of the grave. Just having Beverly basically writhing around having an orgasm at 6 o'clock on family TV was great. For that alone it was worth doing. We got away with murder."
O'brien and Bashir had a really fun stupid friendship too.
What is the famous next gen "there are 3 lights" episode?
Also didn't Nimoy and Shatner have a falling out some time ago?
Edit: Yup
http://www.express.co.uk/expressyourself/11182/Mr-Spock-Captain-Kirk-and-a-bitter-40-year-battle
What is the famous next gen "there are 3 lights" episode?THERE. ARE. FOUR. LIGHTS.
“Hannibal” creator Bryan Fuller has found his next mission: showrunner and co-creator of CBS’ new “Star Trek” series.
A longtime fan of science fiction, Fuller began his career writing for “Star Trek: Voyager” (1997-2001) and “Star Trek: Deep Space Nine” (1997).
“My very first experience of ‘Star Trek’ is my oldest brother turning off all the lights in the house and flying his model of a D7 Class Klingon Battle Cruiser through the darkened halls. Before seeing a frame of the television series, the ‘Star Trek’ universe lit my imagination on fire,” said Fuller. “It is without exaggeration a dream come true to be crafting a brand new iteration of ‘Star Trek’ with fellow franchise alum Alex Kurtzman and boldly going where no ‘Star Trek’ series has gone before.”
The new series is set to bow on CBS in January 2017, then move to CBS’ All Access digital subscription service. It will be the first original series to launch on a broadcast network but air primarily on an SVOD service.
Hannibal is terrific, I'm definitely most interested with Fuller involved.Pushing Daisies was also super charming and well crafted. This will be awesome.
Yeah if you can't stand Shatner, you are kinda SOL cuz he narrates most if not all Star Trek Documentaries.Huh, until just now I had thought he had been pretty well employed. I just looked at his credits and he still gets work every year but the biggest thing he's been involved in recently is a Stephen King scifi channel show. I guess his work in commercials fooled me into thinking he was more ubiquitous than he is.spoiler (click to show/hide)Where else is he going to get work?[close]
Yeah if you can't stand Shatner, you are kinda SOL cuz he narrates most if not all Star Trek Documentaries.spoiler (click to show/hide)Where else is he going to get work?[close]
http://therealstanlee.com/meyer-new-star-trek#
:hyper
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/03/10/star-trek-show-must-wait-six-months-to-air-after-to-star-trek-beyond
UPDATE! A trusted source has chimed in and told me that it looks like the show will be a seasonal anthology, which means the first season will be set post-Undiscovered Country. After that the entire Star Trek universe is potentially open. So those of you hoping for a post-Dominion War show... don't give up hope. That could come some day.
Any anthology Star Trek is ruined when you consider that now that there is a series that could do, we will STILL never see a live-action Coutdown due to Nemoy's death.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200948256&postcount=500
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It's not just a tie-in comic.http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=200948352&postcount=503
It is the first half of the most emotional and (in my eyes) greatest Star Trek story of all time. I re-read the whole thing an hour before I watched XI in a theatre.
It was incredible, and I will never forget it.
It is the 11th film, it will always be the 11th film.
You only say that because you didn't read the comics! You missed two-thirds of the story!
http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/04/13/the-new-star-trek-tv-show-will-be-set-before-the-next-generationQuoteUPDATE! A trusted source has chimed in and told me that it looks like the show will be a seasonal anthology, which means the first season will be set post-Undiscovered Country. After that the entire Star Trek universe is potentially open. So those of you hoping for a post-Dominion War show... don't give up hope. That could come some day.spoiler (click to show/hide)Kelsey time...for two seasons!
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two years into their famous five-year mission. And, truth be told, the voyage is wearing on them. “They’ve come to rest at a Federation outpost, a sort of diplomatic hub,” says Pegg, who worked with Doug Jung on the screenplay.
But their momentary R&R is interrupted by Idris Elba's blue-faced alien antagonist Krall, who instead of showing his distaste for the Federation's ideals and reach through a strongly-worded letter to his local council, decides to unleash violence upon the poor Enterprise and its crew. “What’s the point of it all?” says Pegg of the big question that drives Kirk and co this time around. “We’re gathering a great community within the galaxy, but to what end? What does it all mean?”
As for Lin, he, like Krall (without the guns or nasty attitude) is also in a dismantling mood... “This is the 50th anniversary,” he says. “I felt like it was important to really deconstruct the idea of Star Trek, the idea of the Federation and why it’s special. We’ll really be poking at a lot of different things.”
Yes. What’s interesting about him is that he has a real beef with what the Enterprise stands for. Krall’s a character who’s deeply steeped in hatred — in my opinion, a well-earned hatred — for the Federation. It felt quite political. There’s a relatability to what’s happening in our world. Not everybody’s happy with what everybody calls the good guys.time to put that new trailer out already paramount
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Krall is predatory. He’s not one for big speeches. He is one for going to get what he wants. If that means having to do it himself, outside of his army, he is not afraid to do that.
This new show is going be DOA
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2016/05/cbs-star-trek-netflix/481170/?utm_source=SFTwitter
Airs once a week on CBS version of netflix
Like on may 5th when I made that post?
Not that it would air weekly instead of all at once like the netflix model, I believe. Also if it is old news I don't care.
Star Trek™: 25th Anniversary
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Star Trek™: Starfleet Command Gold Edition
2000 Strategy
Maurice Postal1 day ago:doge
RiRi + Star Trek = smart marketing for a change.
QuoteMaurice Postal1 day ago:doge
RiRi + Star Trek = smart marketing for a change.
Takei wasn't overjoyed. He had never asked for Sulu to be gay. In fact, he'd much prefer that he stay straight. "I’m delighted that there’s a gay character," he tells The Hollywood Reporter. "Unfortunately, it’s a twisting of Gene’s creation, to which he put in so much thought. I think it’s really unfortunate."
Takei explains that Roddenberry was exhaustive in conceiving his Star Trek characters. (The name Sulu, for example, was based on the Sulu Sea off the coast of the Philippines, so as to render his Asian nationality indeterminate.) And Roddenberry had always envisioned Sulu as heterosexual.
Takei first learned of Sulu's recent same-sex leanings last year, when Cho called him to reveal the big news. Takei tried to convince him to make a new character gay instead. "I told him, 'Be imaginative and create a character who has a history of being gay, rather than Sulu, who had been straight all this time, suddenly being revealed as being closeted.'"
Not long after Cho's bombshell call came another, this one from Lin, again informing that Sulu was indeed to be gay in Star Trek Beyond. Takei remained steadfastly opposed to the decision.
"I said, 'This movie is going to be coming out on the 50th anniversary of Star Trek, the 50th anniversary of paying tribute to Gene Roddenberry, the man whose vision it was carried us through half a century. Honor him and create a new character. I urged them. He left me feeling that that was going to happen," Takei says.
After that, all was quiet from Beyond until a few months ago, when Takei received an email from Pegg "praising me for my advocacy for the LGBT movement and for my pride in Star Trek," he says. "And I thought to myself, 'How wonderful! It’s a fan letter from Simon Pegg. Justin had talked to him!'" Takei was certain the creative team had rethought their decision to make Sulu gay.
That is until one month ago, when he received an email from Cho informing him that the actor was about to embark on an international media tour for Beyond. Cho said it was bound to come out that his character was gay, and "what should he do?" A disappointed Takei told Cho to go about his promotional duties, but that he was "not going to change" his mind on the matter.
"I really tried to work with these people when at long last the issue of gay equality was going to be addressed," Takei says. "I thought after that conversation with Justin that was going to happen. Months later, when I got that email from Simon Pegg, I was kind of confused. He thinks I’m a great guy? Wonderful. But what was the point of that letter? I interpreted that as my words having been heard."
Rating: Rotten:derp
Ultimately, Beyond is a movie about characters - and character. But that's half the battle. The other half of the battle is... battle. And Lin, who has such a strong track record with vehicular mayhem, doesn't bring his "A" game.
Chris Nashawaty
Entertainment Weekly
Top Critic
TBF they kind of ignore the the backwater space concept a few seasons in where the statement that they can't get more was the first season.They probably figured out that they could manufacture parts with the replicator, once power was no longer a primary concern.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1261188
:quark
I think I might like VI the most, but it's hard to tell. Wrath of Khan is just so classic, and there's no beating that James Horner score. But the plot for VI was quite a bit more layered and the cinematography was the best in the series - it looks guuuuud.VI is the best. Let it be known. Handles two plots without seeming like they're two clear plots (here's something actually more like a 1970s political thriller you Winter Soldier fan dopes) but loses none of the wit and TOS character stuff that the crew had going way back. Insurrection tries to do something similar and falls flat on its face.
Man I watched some DS9 with my son last night. That space station captain of whatever is one crazy dude.Avery Brooks can be a little...off...at times. He's operating on some other wavelengths.
I've now watched all six original Star Trek movies!
Classics: II, VI
Great: III, IV
OK: The Motion Picture
Bleh: V
I think I might like VI the most, but it's hard to tell. Wrath of Khan is just so classic, and there's no beating that James Horner score. But the plot for VI was quite a bit more layered and the cinematography was the best in the series - it looks guuuuud.
Insurrection and Nemesis are kinda garbo, unfortunately.
With TNG I think the problem is that all of the good ideas already got used in the series, so there just wasn't much left to do in the movies [except for a big-budget confrontation with the Borg]. TOS got cut short and then had a long stretch before the movies started, so they still had a lot of good ideas laying around.
Insurrection and Nemesis are kinda garbo, unfortunately.
The only 2 I have not seen as well.
I'm finding it hard to maintain my interest in the final stretch of DS9 so I just said fuck it and started watching voyager. I expanded my plan. I'm going to watch any episode that has a decent imdb rating or any episodes that makes any significant best of List that I can find. Probably also all the season finales and such. So I'll save the DS9 finale to finish up with the Voyager finale at the same time.
So I will end up watching hopefully a decent amount of the "better" episodes while utterly avoiding the absolute worst ones. In a way its a bit fun. I've never watched a show in such a mercenary way before and whatever I think about Voyager it is almost completely new to me so that's always a little interesting at first.
I completely skipped the first season. The only episode that seems to be well regarded there is the pilot which I saw when it originally came on.
I watched about 7 or 8 episodes in the second season. It's been okay. The show is highly flawed of course but it does occasionally hit the high themes trek is known for.
"Tuvix" is a surprisingly decent episode about rights. It's almost a poor man's Measure of a Man with a twist. "Prototype" is a classic style trek episode that would feel at home in TOS and works well because of that. And Death Wish is another take on Measure of a Man except with suicide being the right fought over. Those were sort of the high points so far.
I'm already at season 4 of voyager. You have to remember though I skipped a ton of episodes including the first season completely.
Season 4 seems a little more interesting so I'll probably slow down a bit and watch more episodes as 7 of 9 is an initially interesting character and I'm curious to see the development there.
Like I say I have a very skewed perspective so far on voyager because I've skipped the bulk of episodes and only watched decent or highly rated episodes in a relative sense.
As sort of an overview the big problem I see is that it was just traditionally too typically trek for a premise that needs a lot more.
The show shares a lot of similarities conceptually to firefly and battlestar galactica and while those shows are not completely perfect they feel fully realized. Voyager has its foot in two worlds. It wants to be old style trek and evoke those same emotions and feels but it also wants to try to be modern and more emotional and dark. It can never really find the proper footing to bridge that gap. That being said I've enjoyed most of the episodes I've actually watched so far but once again with the caveat that I've skipped a bulk of the episodes and skipped nearly all of the absolute shit episodes that would completely sour me on the experience.
About halfway through season 4. Things have slowed down considerably because I've watched every episode in Season 4. Once you actually start watching episodes at that frequency, the fatal flaw of the reset button because much more obvious and annoying. It's not like TOS or TNG don't have reset buttton episodes and hit them a lot. Even the finale episode of TNG is a reset button of sorts.
The problem is voyager's premise is much more dependent on the on-going nature of the situation. Things should matter a lot more from one episode to the next. And when they don't it becomes frustrating. There is a good 2 part episode I watched called Year of hell where a lot of dark and interesting stuff happens. But its all one big reset button because a time machine device resets everything. You can be sure when watching Voyager that if an episode has anything really provocative and interesting happen it will all be reset by the end of the episode by whatever plot device to reset things they come up with. You can't cheat people like that. It's like a continual dusty finish from wrestling or something to make a weird comparison.
I know this isn't an original observation about voyager because I had heard it myself before from many people but until I started watching continual episodes instead of just jumping around, I hadn't noticed it.
There were 172 voyager episodes. My guess is I probably ended up watching 100 to 110 of them give or take 10 on either side. I watched a lot of the later season episodes by comparison mainly because the show seemed to get better by then and I was invested in the characters by that point.(http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/1485272591-20170124.png)
caught the "second skin (http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Skin_(episode))" ep of DS9 recently and man, especially in full cardassian make up kira still the ds9 waifu
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dxe_ugmIVM
https://streamable.com/pmp54
http://deadline.com/2017/05/star-trek-discovery-order-increase-15-episodes-companion-show-talking-trek-cbs-all-access-1202096297/
on the other hand, this looks like it could be seth mcfarlane's galaxy quest :rejoice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yy9sKeCE8V0
So apparently Fox’s next to-be-cancelled SF series is “The Orville,” from and starring Seth MacFarlane. It basically seems to be “Galaxy Quest” as the TV series would have been.
The part I like the most is that the ship’s captain (MacFarlane) has, as his first officer, his ex. All I could think of is, Wow, I wish I had thought of that twenty years ago when I created the crew for the Excalibur in “New Frontier.” Would that I had made Calhoun’s first officer his ex.
Oh. Wait.
Peter David
May 17, 2017 at 4:26 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me, but honestly, I’m more flattered than anything.
Peter David
May 18, 2017 at 12:04 pm
Yup. I haven’t managed that since Bill Mumy and I cast Jewel Staite as an engineering genius on a space ship ten years before Firefly.
Anything is possible. Maybe it won't suck. But Macfarlane humour's is generally so obvious and scattershot that I have a feeling it will suck the enjoyment I want to have from the show.
I'd prefer a second season of Other Space although that ain't gonna happen.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4561950/
like how do we get more diverse in Star Trek
picture above in that tweet isn't the half of what DS9 was doing, Mirror Kira basically wanted to fuck her counterpart
TNG was doing genderless or multigender species
every relationship Harry Kim was involved in (ALSO THE FACT THAT HE DIED AND IT WAS SOME HARRY KIM FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE ON THE SHIP FOR THE REST OF THE SHOW AND NOBODY EVER BROUGHT IT UP LIKE HOW IS THIS NOT WEIRDING PEOPLE OUT)
Voyager was accidentally duplicated by a spatial scission phenomenon. Each ship was unaware of the others' existence, and both tried to stabilize their rapidly-draining antimatter supply with a series of proton bursts. One of the two ships, slightly phased apart from the other, fired the protons first, heavily damaging the other in the process; the damage also caused the infant Naomi Wildman to die in her failed delivery operation. The Harry Kim from the damaged Voyager was killed after being blown through a hull breach. When the undamaged ship was forced to self-destruct after being overrun by Vidiian forces, that ship's Harry Kim took the infant Naomi Wildman and transferred to the other ship. (VOY: "Deadlock")
Star Trek Beyond is up on Hulu.
O wait you said beyond not discovery. who cares.i don't come down to where you work and knock the multiple tentacles out of your mouth :bolo
looks so much better than discovery
we live in a trash timeline
Funny enough, Trek and wrasslin is a good comparison. Gene was basically Vince McMahon in that he wanted his say in everything related to Trek and had to be the final word. Even as the world of sci fi evolved around Gene, he refused to change and kept on the path that was correct to him even if it was corny/hacky/old fashioned. Sure, Gene had plenty of people around him to help guide things to be a bit better and he had plenty of solid as hell hits on his own. But his refusal to change lead to plenty of complaints and upset fans.Even funnier is that the Trek that people associate fondly with Gene, namely the TOS seasons, Gene immediately passed the buck on shortly after they started filming and he wasn't even involved in the show after the first season. He was a toxic micromanager who could not compromise with anyone, even when his fandom and the network barely saved the show for him the first time, Gene would still go on the warpath over HIS VISION and ditched the show. When he wasn't even showrunner in the first place, somebody who couldn't even be credited since she was a woman like Dorthy Fontana did more editing than he ever did. And then he spent decades taking shots at the third season when the thing got trashed by budgets as hard as the Batman TV series did.
Of course the Trek story was a bit different in that some excellent stuff came after Gene passed, but also Trek post-Gene hasn't been quite the same. It's definitely become a totally different product from his vision.
All Good Things is a better TNG movie than any of the actual TNG movies. Solid gold.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt3MVP3FizQ
Himu, that is what you should be comparing to the TOS movies IMO.spoiler (click to show/hide)The ending scene where Picard actually shows up for poker, after being absent for the show's entire run... :delicious Possibly my favorite Star Trek moment of all time. Possibly tied with the Best of Both Worlds cliffhanger.[close]
Nah. Ds9 has a more character focused thing. I love characters. I watched Trek in order. TOS first, then TNG, and then DS9. Has nothing to do with contrarianism. I just like what I like and I'm honest about it. :yeshrug
The TNG sucks thing was hyperbole for laughs. I don't think it sucks but I also don't think it's that good either.
Anyways, although it's crudely written with some typos and I can't edit it...but I don't feel like writing it again.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=193523987
Also, me on Lower Decks:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=189716585
My problems with TNG has nothing to do with contrarianism. I truly struggled to finish it. I blazed through DS9 like it was nothing.
Seems like contrarianism because TNG is so beloved and DS9 is more overlooked.
Galaxy Quest >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Star Trek
It's hilarious how poorly they explained Q not just sending Voyager home and also how he had more of a character arc in like six appearances than practically the entire cast. :lol
Nah. Ds9 has a more character focused thing. I love characters. I watched Trek in order. TOS first, then TNG, and then DS9. Has nothing to do with contrarianism. I just like what I like and I'm honest about it. :yeshrug
The TNG sucks thing was hyperbole for laughs. I don't think it sucks but I also don't think it's that good either.
Anyways, although it's crudely written with some typos and I can't edit it...but I don't feel like writing it again.
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=193523987
Also, me on Lower Decks:
http://m.neogaf.com/showpost.php?p=189716585
My problems with TNG has nothing to do with contrarianism. I truly struggled to finish it. I blazed through DS9 like it was nothing.
I definitely understand why you aren't into TNG as much as most fans considering what you want from Trek. It does have me curious on your opinions on Voyager and Enterprise though. For all its faults, Voyager feels to me like a show where you do get to know the characters and you can feel the crew grow closer together as a family. It's 100% not the normal type of Trek and truly has some awful episodes (the Rock vs Seven wat) but it has shows the extremes that a crew could go through and keep the ideals of the Federation intact, and how they fail at it as well. (thinking of episodes like Year of Hell) And it leads to the finale of Voyager being the best series finally they did. In the end Janeway will still sacrifice literally everything for her Voyager family.
Enterprise is a show with almost an entire crew that is exploring space for the first time and basically not having a goddamn thing to guide them. It's very rough but imo it's a fun take on Trek and I think it could have been so much better with more cash and more time invested into it.
It's hilarious how poorly they explained Q not just sending Voyager home and also how he had more of a character arc in like six appearances than practically the entire cast. :lol
(thinking of episodes like Year of Hell) ...I like Enterprise in part because it actually does these parts of Voyager better than Voyager did.
Enterprise is a show with almost an entire crew that is exploring space for the first time and basically not having a goddamn thing to guide them. It's very rough but imo it's a fun take on Trek and I think it could have been so much better with more cash and more time invested into it.
Q is a bad character.:mindblown :stahp
Yeah, I believe it. I think I remember it sucks for two seasons until seven is a regular? Idk
Yeah, I believe it. I think I remember it sucks for two seasons until seven is a regular? IdkSorta. After Seven shows up the show does change a bit. A lot more episodes become "How do we fit Seven into this episode?" :lol Astrometrics, fuck outta here. They even retconned shit to make NX-01 have astrometrics after that.
Q is a bad character.:mindblown :stahp
I like Enterprise in part because it actually does these parts of Voyager better than Voyager did.Phlox is so awesome too. Basically all Trek doctors are great characters. Pulaski is secret top tier as well in TNG :mynicca Queen you had to at least like her, right? She's basically Bones!
Year of Hell was proposed as an entire season of Voyager, and that's arguably what the third season of Enterprise became. Even if the Xindi were the worst idea ever.
There's an episode of Enterprise where they're headed through a nebula or something and the only thing that can protect them are the warp nacelles. Voyager did a similar episode but just had Seven and the Doctor active trying to make things creepy as everyone else slept. While on Enterprise they showed how they fit the entire crew into those, made a makeshift bridge to operate the ship, showed the chef going along handing out dinner, etc. and started to deal with how that kind of conditions would effect the crew, when they veer course wildly into some dumb action. Which was a real problem on Enterprise from day one.
Hell, Voyager even did as many "LOOK ITS KLINGONS YOU KNOW KLINGONS" and "LOOK ROMULANS!" and other garbage episodes of STUFF YOU RECOGNIZE ON TREK when they were supposed to be nowhere near any of those. (And Enterprise even at least took some concerns like never outright identifying the Ferengi, or getting a good look at them, etc.)
But then I also love the Bakula.
And Empress Hoshi. :uguu
And needing to decontaminate with T'Pol. :phil
Q is a bad character.:mindblown :stahp
Right, like I want to see Q try to court LuwaxannaI know, everyone knows that she's supposed to be with Odo
Phlox is so awesome too. Basically all Trek doctors are great characters. Pulaski is secret top tier as well in TNG :mynicca Queen you had to at least like her, right? She's basically Bones!Even Karl Urban's Bones has been immune from the Abramsverse!
TOS has "supernatural" stuff out the wazoo too though. 🤔
Humans turned gods, a time portal god, literal Greek pantheon gods. :lol
At some point between now and 2152 we lose headphones and volume control, just a heads up:blame apple
Consistency is great of course, but sometimes it can lead to homogenization. Some of the more "out there" ST plots probably wouldn't have been approved if the producers had a more strict hand of things (think Roddenberry, but for weird ideas instead of "the human ideal.")
Also this is dumb to say, but the sucky parts of ST make you appreciate the great stuff even more.
I see a lot of "this sucks because it's not this other thing I like" in this thread. TNG was reviving a beloved series for a then-modern audience, on a new network, at a time when geekery was not de rigueur like it is nowadays. It defined a good portion of what came after it, or at least set those parameters.
The first season sucks. The second season sucks slightly less. From the third season is when it really comes into its own, knows what it's about.
DS9 suffers similar stumbling blocks out of the gate. It's the grittier side of Federation Space, and it was meant to have a Casablanca or even Berlin during the Cold War feel to it. Eventually it gets there, and surpasses it, but it makes me feel like any Star Trek series struggles with itself except TOS, which is-what-it-is from the outset.
Also you never really made the claim for why TNG is good. You just supported why it is a historically significant show. Historically significant doesn't necessarily mean "still good."
Go in production order.
Do I start with the 1968 pilot and just keep watching until it feels right to watch another spin off or is there some other order I have to follow to get into this?
Just watched the TOS pilot. Interesting.
how so
Yes, The Cage.how so
The whole thing is rather sad. This race of super intelligent beings traps the captain in an attempt to use him for an Adam and Eve scenario with a disfigured woman who survived a shipwreck, and they're pretty much doomed to die because naturally, the captain won't stay under false pretense. Though I did enjoy how reality and illusion collided with each other (always have in fiction).
Also you never really made the claim for why TNG is good. You just supported why it is a historically significant show. Historically significant doesn't necessarily mean "still good."Stoney said what I'd hoped to say, except better and more concisely.
Also you never really made the claim for why TNG is good. You just supported why it is a historically significant show. Historically significant doesn't necessarily mean "still good."
It has iconic characters. A great captain. Its unique in relation to TOS after it finds its wings. And has a decent size number of classic episodes.
And part of understanding and enjoying any tv show is being partially aware of the era and context it was born. TNG was a great show in its day. I don't care if a person watches it now and applies a modern filter to it because that is inevitable. But judging any piece of art relative to its era and restrictions is also important.
Same as with TOS. A personal pet peeve of mine is when people overly criticize tos without taking into account the era. Not that those criticisms can't exist or aren't valid. But without talking about the era and context, its kind of missing the point.
Also you never really made the claim for why TNG is good. You just supported why it is a historically significant show. Historically significant doesn't necessarily mean "still good."
I've mentioned it elsewhere, but the idea of continuity happening in a syndicated show blew my mind. I grew up watching shows which were designed to be re-run in syndication without a viewing order or context. There was never character growth, and references to previous happenings in the series were rare. Having TNG take place in a storyline with persistence was incredible for me and my fellow college geeks. Now that TV commercials even have their own continuity, and EVERYTHING on TV seems to be serialized, I think it's impossible to appreciate its origins.
Parallels - another "everything is changing on the enterprise but I'm the only one who see it!" esque episode in the tradition of Remember Me and Phantasms. Not even my love for Worf saves this episode. I'm utterly fatigued with TNG and want it to end already. Episode is terrible. Solve the mystery! The mystery will be solved by the end of episode. Nothing matters.
I'm not sure if my idea of good Trek runs contrary to what others find to be good Trek or what, but I hated it. I've hated every episode I've seen in season 7 so far even going down the list of suggested episodes posted before.
I doubt your idea is totally removed from mine. You like strong characterization and ongoing story arcs that are given their just dues, right? Real "space opera" fare? That's me in a nutshell; there are just some assorted one-off TNG-style eps which I also dig
Yes!
One offs aren't inherently bad either. A good one off example would be The Survivors. Or the episode where there's a malfunction at a Federation monitoring post and an alien civilization thinks they're Gods. Or the one where Data has to convince a planet that is going to die to evacuate. Where the mystery is worth solving and isn't just a bunch of random bullshit.
Sometimes you need them to pad and give the universe texture, but it rarely ever really does. Honestly, I can't blame some people for thinking Star Trek is boring.
The Pegasus - solid episode with some chips in its armor. It is fully willing to grand stand and navel gaze a moral high ground despite the fact that the very illegal technology they moralize is so awful, actually saved them from doom. Never is this viewpoint considered with any authenticity and it fully encapsulates TNG's worst flaws: its pretentious view of order with zero consideration for opposing viewpoints despite its willingness to have philosophical episodes such as this. In this universe, black and white prevails under 100% certainty. Still a good episode despite that.
I have a long-term memory for everything related to Star Trek and it influences how I look at anything new. In this regard, I can explain the ratings as follows:
10 points: among the best Star Trek episodes ever, simply awesome
5 points: average Star Trek episode, quite a fun to watch but with some flaws
0 points: among the worst episodes ever, almost a waste of time but at least it's Star Trek
I go as low as one or zero points, because a rating system makes no sense if there is an accumulation in the upper half and the lowest ratings remain unused.
TNG is far too episodic.
And Ensign Ro.
Also you never really made the claim for why TNG is good. You just supported why it is a historically significant show. Historically significant doesn't necessarily mean "still good."
I've mentioned it elsewhere, but the idea of continuity happening in a syndicated show blew my mind. I grew up watching shows which were designed to be re-run in syndication without a viewing order or context. There was never character growth, and references to previous happenings in the series were rare. Having TNG take place in a storyline with persistence was incredible for me and my fellow college geeks. Now that TV commercials even have their own continuity, and EVERYTHING on TV seems to be serialized, I think it's impossible to appreciate its origins.
This is actually one of my complaints about TNG. It felt like nothing matters. It feels like a procedural like Law in and Order but in space. I actually think lack of contuity is one of its biggest flaws. TOS I'll give you, because it's a 60's show. TNG came out a decade after something like Roots.
TOS is full of sad sci-fi stories like that. Part of why I love it. It can be depressing. Interested on your thoughts on The Man Trap. If you like The Cage, TOS may be your type of bag. I like The Cage as well.I think you nailed it earlier when you compared TOS to Twilight Zone. A lot of the stories feel like they'd be at home there. Interesting tales of sci-fi/supernatural with a moral backbone to them, or sometimes just a twist you didn't expect.
O'Brien's always been my favorite TNG character. In a sea of moral paragons of humanity, he's just this average, hell, lesser than average workaday schlub. He's so out of place, I love it.
Nah, Keiko sucks in DS9 too
"Miiiiiiiiiiiiiilllleeeessssssss"
Shaddup >:(
TNG is far too episodic.
I like TNG being very episodic in the same way I like TOS being episodic.
Which is different than saying I wish shows today were more episodic. I like that shows today are serial. That makes them much more entertaining to watch in the here and now when you watch them as binge tv which everybody does nowadays.
But the downside of that being I find serial TV makes me not watch the shows as much in the long term. I can randomly plop out an episode of TNG and TOS and sit and watch it for 45 minutes and thoroughly enjoy myself. I've always been able to do that since I was a kid. Some episodes I've seen dozens of times in that regard. I don't have to overly concern myself with the context of that episode within the big picture. They are nice simple short stories in that regard.
The more something becomes serial the less inclined I am to pull out random episodes just to watch and enjoy because watching one of those kind of episodes doesn't feel complete in the same way.
So I'm glad TOS and TNG existed in a highly episodic era of television, even though I'm happy the current era of television is highly serial by comparison.
O'Brien's always been my favorite TNG character. In a sea of moral paragons of humanity, he's just this average, hell, lesser than average workaday schlub. He's so out of place, I love it.
Also you never really made the claim for why TNG is good. You just supported why it is a historically significant show. Historically significant doesn't necessarily mean "still good."
I've mentioned it elsewhere, but the idea of continuity happening in a syndicated show blew my mind. I grew up watching shows which were designed to be re-run in syndication without a viewing order or context. There was never character growth, and references to previous happenings in the series were rare. Having TNG take place in a storyline with persistence was incredible for me and my fellow college geeks. Now that TV commercials even have their own continuity, and EVERYTHING on TV seems to be serialized, I think it's impossible to appreciate its origins.
This is actually one of my complaints about TNG. It felt like nothing matters. It feels like a procedural like Law in and Order but in space. I actually think lack of contuity is one of its biggest flaws. TOS I'll give you, because it's a 60's show. TNG came out a decade after something like Roots.
That's an absurd comparison. Roots was a TV miniseries, adapted from a novel. It had a planned endpoint. TNG is an open-ended series. The only TV shows which had continuity at the time were soap operas, which were never designed to be syndicated, just made on-the-cheap, and run endlessly, serially.
O'Brien's always been my favorite TNG character. In a sea of moral paragons of humanity, he's just this average, hell, lesser than average workaday schlub. He's so out of place, I love it.
I like O'Brien just fine, he's a relatable dude. He's good at his job, but he's not really got a stick up his ass about being on the Federation flagship.
His ball-and-chain, constantly hormonal, always angry wife — she can die in a fucking fire.
Which leads to my foremost complaint about TNG, which is that they're a bunch of yuppies who put their career before family, which I've found to be my ultimate source of personal fulfillment. They're always choosing to pursue their Federation career over any chance of real love, intimacy, or furthering their genetic or even memetic lineage. This, for me, is the worst message TNG can provide, particularly since their audience has its fair share of emotionally stunted or socially awkward viewers.
In a way, O'Brien and his happiness at work makes more sense when his shrew wife is the one waiting for him when he gets home.
FULL DISCLOSURE: I've not seen all of DS9. She may have suffered early character problems the same way Wesley Always Saves the Day, or Worf Always Gets Beat Up. Perhaps her bitchiness was meant to be a clever one-off by a writer and it instead turned up several times in a season…?
How are you liking Star Trek?
How are you liking Star Trek?
Very much after 9 episodes. Some of the stories are a lot more tragic than I expected (the nurse's fiancee episode for example), but it's very engaging. The 2 episodes I listed in particular are just (http://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/wow.png). Bringing everyone's biggest feelings and traits to the surface is one thing but learning that Kirk never really knew how to love and the only thing he has to resemble love being the ship is crazy. Then examining the dichotomy of his leadership with the ying and yang of his "good" and "evil" sides that ultimately need each other to be an efficient captain had me captivated.
Maybe I've been starved for some good TV to watch but I'm really enjoying this, and I might finish all 3 seasons before the month ends.
Late but Star Trek beyond was GREAT.
It has the Star Trek adventure that I crave so desperately for. I loved Kirk's monologue in his data entry. Classic Trek, there.
It has a few snags here or there but it seemed to understand Trek of at least a particular side of it.
How was it problematic? I feel like the Edison reveal came too late in the movie and there were some loose ends (like the chick who held on to the object was brutally murdered and no one cares). Also, I'm not sure how Krall's powers worked or why he looked like a lobster.
The Menagerie 1 and 2
All that just to give a mutilated Pike a send off to live with Veena in fantasy.
Goddamn this is depressing
https://www.avclub.com/new-trailer-confirms-star-trek-discovery-will-be-tv-ma-1798449704
:mindblown
Disney had to pay Paramount seven figures to allow JJ Abrams to direct Star Wars Episode IX, to compensate them for getting out of the $10 million/year deal he's under with that studio.:rofl :rofl :wag :doge
3 more days :hyperI mean, we know it's going to be shit why get hyped? :idont
IIRC, Queenie's current got a bug up her butt about Social Studies Warriors, but I loved this:
https://twitter.com/BlkNrdProblems/status/911762507907387392
like how do we get more diverse in Star Trek
picture above in that tweet isn't the half of what DS9 was doing, Mirror Kira basically wanted to fuck her counterpart
TNG was doing genderless or multigender species
every relationship Harry Kim was involved in (ALSO THE FACT THAT HE DIED AND IT WAS SOME HARRY KIM FROM ANOTHER UNIVERSE ON THE SHIP FOR THE REST OF THE SHOW AND NOBODY EVER BROUGHT IT UP LIKE HOW IS THIS NOT WEIRDING PEOPLE OUT)
Lt. Stamets, an astromycologist played by Anthony Rapp, will be the first openly gay character in Star Trek.
This sucked. It’s not Star Trek.
Let me introduce you to the Orville
It's a cheap Star Trek lite and is hitting on a lot of the cylinders. Someone with a lot of love for Star Trek has taken the time to make a better show for those of us that are looking for something like that.
I don't understand the logic. Enterprise was the last Star Trek tv show. It was a prequel and bombed. So why do a follow up show that's also a prequel? ??? Is cbs stupid?
I don't understand the logic. Enterprise was the last Star Trek tv show. It was a prequel and bombed. So why do a follow up show that's also a prequel? ??? Is cbs stupid?
Because Abramsverse was a prequel and did really well.
I don't understand the logic. Enterprise was the last Star Trek tv show. It was a prequel and bombed. So why do a follow up show that's also a prequel? ??? Is cbs stupid?
Because Abramsverse was a prequel and did really well.
Unfortunately, I think that was about the extent of the thought process that went into the setting.
When Fuller first met with CBS about the series, the company did not have a plan for what the new show would be. He proposed an anthology series with each season being a standalone, serialized show set in a different era, beginning with a prequel to the original series, then stories set during the original series, during Star Trek: The Next Generation, and then "beyond to a time in Trek that's never been seen before". Fuller compared this to what American Horror Story did for horror, and described the proposal as a platform for "a universe of Trek shows". However, CBS told Fuller to just start with a single serialized show and see how that performs first, and he began further developing the concept of a prequel to the original series.This would have allowed you to do something like say a season where the Federation first meets the Cardassians, who are arguably the most un-Federation/human like race, and it descends into war. Throw in some mentions about a Chief O'Brien or even cast somebody to be a young him and that's all the connections you need, the rest you can do all new, get your war story (one which clearly was intense enough that it affected people we saw on TNG) and shit.
Kurtzman later added that the Federation-Klingon War story arc of the first season would not continue in a second season, saying "each season needs to be about a different thing".[78] However, he was not interested in a full anthology series because "I wouldn't necessarily want to throw [the characters] away at the end of the season for a new show",[79] and instead felt that the aftereffects of the first season would be felt moving forward: "The results of the war are going to allow for a lot of new storytelling that will be the result of everything that happens and the people that are left behind; the casualties, the things that have grown in Starfleet as a result of the war. That's what we'll inherit in the second season."
By the end of August, Berg and Harberts had developed a "road map" for a second season, and "the beginnings of one" for a third. It was also revealed that an average episode of the first season had ultimately cost US$8–8.5 million, making it one of the most expensive series ever alongside successful shows like Game of Thrones and Westworld, but also infamous failures such as Marco Polo and The Get Down. This increase in budget outgrew the original Netflix deal, but CBS still considered the series to be paid for already due to the number of new All Access subscribers that the show was expected to draw.
"The defining factor of Roddenberry's vision is the optimistic view of the future ... Once you lose that, you lose the essence of what Star Trek is. That being said…we live in very different times. Every day we look at the news and it is hard. It is hard to see what we see. I think now more than ever Trek is needed as a reminder of what we can be and the best of who we can be. Star Trek has always been a mirror to the time it reflected and [the topical question now] is how do you preserve and protect what Starfleet is in the weight of a challenge like war and the things that have to be done in war. [That] is a very interesting and dramatic problem."
—Executive producer Alex Kurtzman on the balance between classic Star Trek and new elements in Discovery
Vulvan influenced human lead,
Vulvan influenced human lead,
So the lead is a Kirk/Riker archetype?
can someone explain the sandstorm opening to me?
they say they can't contact the ship because of the storm, so they trace the federation symbol (I think?) into the sand, which is supposed to alert the ship to their location... except 1. wouldn't the sandstorm blow away the footprints?? and 2. how could the ship even see it as the planet was covered in clouds (in the scene it shows the ship literally appearing through the clouds...)
did I miss something or was this just shitty writing?
Alex Kurtzman answered a question about balancing what to keep from classic Star Trek with what new elements to bring in for Discovery:I keep coming back to this Kurtzman quote, been turning it over on idle moments since I came across it while posting that post. There's something about it that is incredibly fascinating to me as to how he sums his vision of the dramatic concept of this series.QuoteFirst and foremost, the defining factor of Roddenberry’s vision is the optimistic view of the future. He envisioned a world where all species, all races came together to not only make our world better, but to make every world better. I think that is something that can never be lost in Trek. Once you lose that, you lose the essence of what Star Trek is.
That being said…we live in very different times. Every day we look at the news and it is hard. It is hard to see what we see. I think now more than ever Trek is needed as a reminder of what we can be and the best of who we can be. Star Trek has always been a mirror to the time it reflected and right now the idea that – the question is how do you preserve and protect what Starfleet is in the weight of challenge like war and the things that have to be done in war is a very interesting and dramatic problem. And it feels like a very topical one given the world where where we live now.
Noting that the Klingons historically represented the Soviet Union, becoming friendlier with the protagonists of Star Trek as the Cold War ended, Harberts stated that in Discovery they and Starfleet would represent different factions within the modern United States, explaining that "what we really wanted to do too is understand two differing points of view and really explore it ... I frankly love what they represent. Not in terms necessarily of all the messaging, but in terms of learning about them and learning why they are who they are and making sure they aren't just the enemy. And then finding a way to come together. How do we bring everyone back together? What do we do? What does it take? It is a big challenge for us, but that is what season one is all about."
Berg elaborated that "one of the themes we are exploring is universal and is a lesson I feel like as human beings we have to learn over and over again—is you think you know ‘the other,' but you really don't. You have to sort of cognitively re-frame or break or deviate from your own point of view to really understand. You have to forget what you knew before. One of the big steps in that journey is how to understand yourself. You have to understand yourself before you can better see others. The show is called Discovery and it is called Discovery for a reason, because our characters are on a journey."
"One of the driving forces of this war was to not vilify either side. The show is often told from both points of view ... there are significant sections of the narrative that are purely from the Klingon point of view and in Klingon. That allows the audience to participate in the debate of who is right and who is wrong."okay but what about the half of the season with harry mudd in it
—Executive producer Akiva Goldsman on approaching the Federation-Klingon war from both sides
the CONSTANT dutch anglesThe funny thing about this is that both TOS and Batman used these originally on purpose in a specific way. Batman used them to signify they were the villains scenes (Batman, Police HQ, etc. are straight) and Trek pulled them out for "weird science stuff is happening" to where even now I'm doubting my own memory as to how often they descended into them constantly by the third season.
IIRC their script for the third one got thrown in the trash and they broke up shortly after that, never to be heard from againKurtzman is co-creator of STD and one of the writers. The only reason he probably isn't the showrunner nor directed any episodes is because he had to go direct The Mummy.
The cast of "Star Trek: Discovery" caused controversy among their fans when they took a side on the heated #TakeaKnee debate.
One of the show's stars, Sonequa Martin-Green, posted the picture of the cast on Instagram earlier this week kneeling with the caption, "#StarTrekDiscovery #takeaknee."
The snap was met with a heated exchange from social media followers.
One user lashed out at the cast writing, "Hi! We are Star Trek Morons. We have no originality. We TakeAKnee because most NFL dimwits with 8th-grade level mentality do it too!"
Another said their actions turned them off from watching the series, "I'm a Star Trek fan but not of your show. #notwatching."
But someone defended the political stance, "Bravo Star Trek Discovery crew, I have a good feeling Gene Roddenberry would agree with you. And bye fake fans our show doesn't need you!"
kathyannsummers This is sad. I had looked forward to watching this series but can no longer plan to do so. Hello, goodbye.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RVf01en-YACOFFEE STAIN
Even if it becomes more of a clusterfuck, it's star trek, i'm a trekkie. I'll hate watch it so I can slander it online at the very least.As your attorney I'm required to inform you that it's only slander if it is not only damaging but also false.
As your attorney I'm required to inform you not to dispense legal advice to, let alone legally represent others on the internet as you don't possess a license to practice law in any "official" jurisdiction.Even if it becomes more of a clusterfuck, it's star trek, i'm a trekkie. I'll hate watch it so I can slander it online at the very least.As your attorney I'm required to inform you that it's only slander if it is not only damaging but also false.
In other news, The Orville continues to be great. Episode 3 and 4 are quite a bit better than the first two. Bore star trek thread #triggered
I decide to watch Star Trek, my only experience is some episodes from the final seasons of Voyager and DS9.
I decide to watch Star Trek, my only experience is some episodes from the final seasons of Voyager and DS9.
Watch TOS, TNG, DS9, Wrath of Kahn, and Voyage Home. Don't bother with the rest.
Then again, I feel like you could edit Nemesis down to a pretty enjoyable 45 minutes to an hour.
The opening shots (which are awesome), THE WEDDING, some inbetween crap to introduce Shinzon, cut out literally everything but the space battle, fin.spoiler (click to show/hide)Maybe insert a joke flashback when Picard sends an order to Troi at the conn and when she looks down it's her crashing the D in Generations.[close]
All of the Star Trrek VI are worth watching except maybe the first.
I can't even, you've gone too far here. It has the single greatest line ever scripted.All of the Star Trrek VI are worth watching except maybe the first.
Uh, V is straight garbage.
Oh god, that's right. You're religious so of course you like it. ::)
Sybok: Why? Why have you done this to my friend?Though arguably this whole plotline messes up another one that takes more after II and is seen in the camping scenes, all the Trio scenes throughout, etc. although they do backwards fit it in with Spock and McCoy's "visions from Sybok" both relating to their family. Kirk states early on that men like them, they don't have families, and that he knows he'll die alone. And at the end Kirk admits they do, when he calls Spock his brother and suggests McCoy is one too.
"God": He doubts me.
Spock: You have not answered his question. What does God need with a starship?
"God": [shoots Spock with lightning; then addresses McCoy] Do you doubt me?
McCoy: I doubt any God who inflicts pain for his own pleasure.
So wait, in the opening she's on a shuttle to a mining camp with a bunch of other scrubs? So starfleet both lack their own military prison, and are not just cool with slave labor but subject their own members to it?
Jonathon Frakes directed an orville episode last night.
It was not good....but to be fair it was not good in the exact same way that TNG episodes were not good when they would introduce a random one episode love interest type which is what the episode was.
Frakes has also directed a Discovery episode.
He also directed "Sub Rosa"
Colonel Thaddius Riker was a soldier in the Union Army during the American Civil War.:lawd making up phony canon
...
During the campaign, Colonel Riker was wounded at the Battle of Pine Mountain, Georgia, in late June 1864. He was carried back from the front line by another soldier who was actually discovered, in 2372, to be a Q who eventually referred to himself as "Quinn". They were photographed together shortly after this incident.
Without the actions of Quinn, there would have been no William T. Riker, which would have allowed the Borg to assimilate the Federation. (VOY: "Death Wish")
Liz Miller writing for IndieWire compared the series to Star Trek, calling it a rip-off and "Creatively, Morally, and Ethically Bankrupt". She criticized the lack of creativity, the blatant imitation, and was surprised that the show is "uninterested in being a comedy".:rofl
Orville got hurt by FOX's advertising which made it look more like a comedy than it is and got us Galaxy Questers probably too demanding, it's still kinda stuck with too many longer jokes I think which maybe Seth feels he needs to do
Why is not one talking about discovery :(
Good thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/759sa4/its_not_darker_its_just_serialized/
Said nothing of Orville. Just commenting that it feels like Stoney and I are the only people watching discovery and talking about it.To be more clear, Netflix is the channel for Discovery in Japan, so I'll be able to contribute shortly.
Why is not one talking about discovery :(
Good thread:
https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/759sa4/its_not_darker_its_just_serialized/
My other critique is one of my original ones. In such a strong serialized nature show, will they be able to create compelling side or one off content that the old trek was known for. With an impending timeline of destruction, its hard to spend the time and go off and do interesting side stuff. Everything is going to press into conflict with the Klingons. And maybe that will be the strong focus on this season. But at some point, I want there to be some down time, so they can do different kind of stories that aren't centered solely around conflict with the klingons.They don't intend on doing that. (That would not be fresh or exciting at all and give people a reason to skip episodes. It's also why they had Fuller leave for writing in too many distracting, allegorical or complex story elements.) This season is about the war with the Klingons. The downtime will be inbetween this season and next season. As next season, probably in mid-to-late 2019, will be a fully serialized season dealing with the outcome and effects of the war. The third season is intended to pick up from where that one ends.
came across the real new star trek release for the bore::teehee
(https://i.imgur.com/zPLtaUG.png)
I loved Trip, T'Pol, Hoshi, Malcolm and Travis from Enterprise.I liked this but then I realized you said Travis when you meant Phlox and had to unlike it.
the bridge crew chemistry is fabulousI still don't know if this was intentional. But it is very different from TNG/DS9/VOY where the crew has just gotten together and they meet each other as we meet them basically. And on the latter two we go through an extended period of SHOULD WE TRUST SO AND SO even though they never actually give reasons not to. (Except Garak. And Seska.)
Holy shit, tonight's Discovery was fantastic.
I like that Archer consults with T'Pol frequently, she gives him the information she's allowed, and it is RARELY the thing Archer wants to hear.One thing I thought they did well was setting up T'Pol's multiple and shifting loyalties, she starts off only telling them what they need to know and reporting back to the Vulcan's everything, but she slowly starts to recognize that she may have a more ideal and independent role to play. One of season four's better arcs is like the capstone of her character arc.
I never understood what Chakotay was supposed to be, other than having a cool face tattoo, which is quickly superseded by 7-of-9's badass FACE DEVICE. Okay, to be honest, Chakotay suffered from the same thing Worf did: "show how tough the _____ is by having it beat up Worf!" In this case, "Show how tough Janeway is, she can override even this handsomely tattooed Native American refrigerator!"Well, the whole Maquis crew thing was mostly ignored, they were supposed to disagree and provide conflict. But Janeway and Torres finish each others sentences in the second episode, she's made chief engineer, and it's never brought up again except for a random episode where Tuvok can order them around due to lack of discipline, and then Seska's arc which was just stupid. They never did any serious kind of mutiny episode despite Janeway's endless opportunities for the other 170 people on the ship to go hey, wait a minute here....just that reveal of Tuvok's entirely sensible simulation program.
I didn't really 'get' Discovery til the 3rd episode. I was still going to watch it, but ep. 3 really gave me hope i would genuinely enjoy the show.spoiler (click to show/hide)I really thought the Security officer had potential alongside Michael. Felt strange to get rid of her so unceremoniously. I wasn't sad to see Michelle Yeoh get the boot, stiff af in the first few eps.[close]
Due to my illness, it's been nothing but TV around here, and I'm up to episode 12 of Enterprise
Don't skip. Don't listen to anyone who tells you to skip.
Honestly if you care about orders, I suggest watching the original series first that's on you.
Don't skip. Don't listen to anyone who tells you to skip.
Honestly if you care about orders, I suggest watching the original series first that's on you.
Better you than me. I couldn't stomach even half a season of TOS.
dated and boring. tv was too heavily invested in shitty old stereotypes back then, and i couldnt deal with it. it was a long time ago i tried watching it, so i'm basing that judgement on old perceptions, but i was pretty convinced it was basement dweller nerd only material at the time (~2009 after watching TNG).
Phlox was a walking meme that's why I will always exclude him, feels like he was written to be liked and that made it so i never actually did. I get questioning Travis, he didn't do much but idk, something about his personality always brought a smile.I loved Trip, T'Pol, Hoshi, Malcolm and Travis from Enterprise.I liked this but then I realized you said Travis when you meant Phlox and had to unlike it.
I assume the Bakula love didn't need to be stated.
Was there no new episode of orville this week?No, I was pretty sad. Had to go out and party, WHAT KIND OF LIFE IS THIS :six:
The new installment of a decades-favorite franchise premiered at the end of Sept. on CBS Television Network’s digital subscription streaming service, breaking their single-day record for new subscriber sign-ups...It not doing that certainly would be one hell of a disaster.
“In just six episodes, ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ has driven subscriber growth...
Discovery got renewed already http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-renewal-season-2-cbs-all-access-1202596182/ (http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/star-trek-discovery-renewal-season-2-cbs-all-access-1202596182/)Surprised, but not surprised.
Certainly, there were like 20 subscribers before so the 20 they got now represents 100% growth! (p.s. i've been following the press releases RE numbers, most of it is weasel stats like % and 'in canada' :lol )QuoteThe new installment of a decades-favorite franchise premiered at the end of Sept. on CBS Television Network’s digital subscription streaming service, breaking their single-day record for new subscriber sign-ups...It not doing that certainly would be one hell of a disaster.
“In just six episodes, ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ has driven subscriber growth...
Netflix basically paid for the entire show, so what ever CBS get from subscribers is pure profit. Could just be 1 person and that's enough to get Les Moonves a coffee, and as long as Les Moonves get his coffee the show keeps running.Yeah, will be interesting to see if Netflix cuts the same deal for 2 and if not how fast CBS bails as they lose money.
Hopefully the internal metrics are good on the Netflix side, and it's not a secret Sense8. I actually think we'll get at least 4 seasons out of Discovery, just because CBS need it to keep people interested in All Access.Netflix basically paid for the entire show, so what ever CBS get from subscribers is pure profit. Could just be 1 person and that's enough to get Les Moonves a coffee, and as long as Les Moonves get his coffee the show keeps running.Yeah, will be interesting to see if Netflix cuts the same deal for 2 and if not how fast CBS bails as they lose money.
I don't really like how they have a holodeck already.http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/10/23/star-trek-discoverys-holodeck-has-fans-freaking-out
Netflix basically paid for the entire show, so what ever CBS get from subscribers is pure profit. Could just be 1 person and that's enough to get Les Moonves a coffee, and as long as Les Moonves get his coffee the show keeps running.
And, besides, the Klingons are not the same as the TOS-era Klingons so all bets are off.I'm fairly certain Ash Tyler is Voq so they are going to use him to spread the disease that makes Klingons tanned white people with mustaches.
Ep.7 trailer:I'll probably put this ep on in the background while I read comics tbh, I'm sick of this trope.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7AwbQrpF_A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7AwbQrpF_A)
Muddy timeloops.
In hindsight, I think it was more of a mixed episode. I loved the Lorca storyline but the Sarek/Michael storyline did nothing for me. But that Lorca story is fascinating. I ended up thinking he intentionally tried to get the admiral killed but at the end there, it shows he might have taken what she said to him to heart and he's trying to get better. I just don't know how to feel about the captain and I like that. Refreshing for Trek.
I just can't abide by what Phlox and Archer did. I like most of the episode until that point.Well, yeah, it's kind of a downer episode, which is what I liked about it.
I just can't abide by what Phlox and Archer did. I like most of the episode until that point.
I just can't abide by what Phlox and Archer did. I like most of the episode until that point.
I liked the episode but I didn't agree with their decision and I didn't see how saving them would have been any worse than any of the other times they decided to intervene in the affair of other races. I know they were trying to argue we were interfering with the natural evolution of their species but it still seems like the wrong call or at least not the moral one.
It's like seeing starving and sick people and going well that's evolution!
I know there was another species also involved in the equation but still.
Was looking up random trek videos on youtube and came across this one. Was aware of the ryan/mulgrew tensions but hadn't seen this specific video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-w7Fat3sM
I remember someone (here?) saying she had a big problem with how the show kinda shifted to focus a bit more on seven. I went through Voyager for the first time recently and it's pretty obvious when they pivoted. Don't really blame them though. Seven really boosted the show. Even later on when she started teaching the other pod kids.
Was looking up random trek videos on youtube and came across this one. Was aware of the ryan/mulgrew tensions but hadn't seen this specific video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je-w7Fat3sM
That's surprising. I mean, normally, actors keep that stuff pretty veiled. I guess with Twitter and cons, maybe people are more intent on being more transparent with the fans? I mean, I don't know the whole story, but I'm leaning toward the convention manager's stance: "That's a horrible idea. Why do you think Mulgrew will want to work out problems publicly at a paid event? Tell your anecdotes or don't, but don't put another one of our guests on the spot."
I’m still in season one of enterprise, and at the episode where the noncombatant members of the main foil Race are locked up in relocation camps. I got a nice giggle out of seeing Dean Stockwell and Scott Bakula on screen at the same time again in a new series.
I’m still in season one of enterprise, and at the episode where the noncombatant members of the main foil Race are locked up in relocation camps. I got a nice giggle out of seeing Dean Stockwell and Scott Bakula on screen at the same time again in a new series.
The funny thing is I've never seen a single episode of Quantum Leap despite it being sort of beloved among nerdom. Maybe I'll give that a try after I finish Enterprise.
You're ahead of me!
I'll likely continue falling behind, so I'm grateful for your largely spoiler-free reviews.
Just about to wrap up s1 of Enterprise. Probably tomorrow. I enjoyed the four-episode chain of trying to get to The Pleasure Planet of Risa for their shore leave. Thought the Vox Sola episode had a nice twist on the creepy, Alien-esque episode, including some nice literary mirroring with the offended aliens storming off due to a cultural difference about eating.
Stoney, what did you think of The Catwalk episode where they have to hide out in the nacille's to avoid a storm? I really like that episode for doing some "ship world building" until they find somebody else on the ship and have to go a hunting for the last ten minutes or whatever. I thought it would have been more interesting to just keep with the drama/frustrations from being in such cramped quarters. (When even their regular ship locations are dinky compared to Voyager or Enterprise-D.) Enterprise to me always kinda had this problem, much like Voyager, where they've got a good premise but at some point they have to add in more garbage and the whole plot tips over.
I'll check that site out, thanks.Just about to wrap up s1 of Enterprise. Probably tomorrow. I enjoyed the four-episode chain of trying to get to The Pleasure Planet of Risa for their shore leave. Thought the Vox Sola episode had a nice twist on the creepy, Alien-esque episode, including some nice literary mirroring with the offended aliens storming off due to a cultural difference about eating.
The episode about the alien monster was decent enough but I couldn't help thinking during most of the episode of those actors stuck in that silly looking webbing for the entire production lol.
Also here is a decent blog where they reviewed every single episode. Its fun to compare my thoughts to theirs after seeing an episde. And the good thing is that the reviews are done in the last couple of years. That's more interesting to me than what somebody thought when the shows first aired. The reviews are at the bottom of the page. Skip over the top portion as that is basically a review of the entire show overall.
https://them0vieblog.com/reviews-hub/star-trek-enterprise-reviews/
like DS9 did halfway through its run, Enterprise also changed its theme song (as well as adding "Star Trek" to the title) with one that has an altered tempo and uses different instrumentation for the third and fourth season, just used youdubber with that video:
http://www.youdubber.com/index.php?video=tof6DUdM7IY&video_start=0&audio=LBUEQVS8kbQ&audio_start=0
actually lines up a little bit better with the imagery, including a stray cymbal when the ship disturbs the orange worm thing :lol
lol yeah a lot of the fandom detest the episode apparently. I didn't but I understand why people have issues with it.It's just weirdly inconsistent! When I thought about the Kreetassans being offended about eating rituals, it made me think about how Korean youths can't drink in front of their elders, and have to go through a bit of dinnertable theater to "hide" their drinking, despite the fact that everyone knows they're drinking. Hell, the elders would be offended if they didn't drink; the younger people are relegated to this ritualized hiding.
Enterprise related so I'll spoiler it out for chronoThe show wasn't ready to go there thematically yet. Season three is a funny bird because it's serialized and introduces so much yet it's also when Berman and Braga were checking out of the series as both were starting to look at other projects to move onto, but also wanted to do all this 9/11-War stuff that the season is sucking hard on. Manny Coto had just jumped on and was starting to take the show over. They also had the episode order and budget cut after the season opened with poor ratings (that only got worse) which is why they start dropping out all the "we're on this mission, but there's also stuff along the way we'll see" aspects of the EXPANSE for what's a pretty dumb mcguffin plot in the first place.spoiler (click to show/hide)Pretty deep into Season 3. Just finished episode 19.
So the thing is I'm very mixed on season 3. I think the highs are high but the lows are really low. Overall I have a lot of issues with it and some of those are thematic issues.
I don't know that I liked this direction for this version of Trek. It seems so clear to me that, this is a show that was envisioned to be one thing and it wasn't working so it was retooled to be something else and something to fit the times. Both in the sense of post 9/11 and a serial world where shows like 24 were exploding.
I understand why people latched on to it. Enterprise was definitely meandering in season 2. The show was losing appeal. And to make it something completely different and dark like this was probably super fresh to the audience watching at that point.
But to me a lot of it feels like try harding to make something dark. But its still not being done in a correct way imo. Like BSG was dark. And they embraced the darkness. Trek wants to be dark here but still be trek in that old school way of being Trek. And the two don't mesh. Often these episodes just don't mesh to me from one to another tonally or even within the same episode. I think the new show, Discovery, does this pretty well because its relinquished that version of old school trek.It was never meant to be old school. But enterprise was and so it just feels schizophrenic.
I just got through watching this episode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damage_(Star_Trek:_Enterprise)
It's probably the best episode of this season so far. It has the enterprise crew do something horrible. Which is very powerful and brave in its way from a writing perspective because its not something you've ever seen a trek crew do. But because it still has that old school trek thing going on, it wants you to still view them as the heroes. Because ultimately they are doing the "greater good". It's not handled elegantly. The only person who challenges the captain is Tpol who apparently has been free-basing trellium to feel more human all of a sudden. It's the type of episode that BSG (Or Babylon 5) handled effortlessly but this show struggles on imo.
There is a lot of that this season. It's very clumsy in its attempts to be dark because it can't go full on. It's still that old Trek and its simply not a part of its DNA to be that morally grey. It wants to have its foot in both world without really sacrificing anything to get it. And ultimately that's unsatisfying in significant ways to me. If you want to do this kind of episode it has to have a cost. And not just the soul of Archer or the crew. That is a given. There has to be a tangible cost like someone dying on either side to drive it home. This show just can't go that far. So I kinda feel like if you can't go that far. Why even start to take the trip. Haven't finished the season of course so maybe that happens later....although I doubt it.[close]
Good mid-season finale episode. First episode they actually gave some character to the security chief to flesh him out. I hadn't care for him up to this point because he just seemed too perfect with no depth.
Discovery rules. Was keen to watch The Orville, but the number of idiots I've seen bitching about Discovery referncing how it's for Social Studies Warriors, then talking about how great The Orville is, isn't particularly selling me ::)
Yeah I'm not in favor of skipping entire seasons. Then you might as well ditch the show, especially if it's as serialized as you say it is. I just don't wanna waste my time with really bad or flat out boring episodes. So I was just wondering if there's guide listing those kinds of episodes so I can avoid them.
TNG early spoilers just in case some of you are bitches.That actress has recanted her grievances about TNG, and is happy about that time in her life now. She wanted to say something more than just "Hailing frequencies open," week after week. She had a fantastic character, and I wish we'd seen what a season three or four arc for her would have entailed.spoiler (click to show/hide)Well, didn't expect a major death so early on. Especially given some flashbacks show here and there.
R.I.P. Tasha Yar.[close]
Shatner's acting was some of the best stuff when I rewatched it last year or so, with Spock deliberately emotionless it sometimes seems like he's the only person who gives a shit about the stuff happening. Also you can use the budget cuts to create a fun meta-narrative that he's becoming increasingly unhinged from the fact that his ship keeps losing crew members and entire sections of it disappear and that all the planets look the same yet nobody on his Crew let alone anyone in Starfleet seems interested.I like your version of TOS universe. I'd happily read a benjiscreed if you put one together on the topic.
You can expand that into a fun little franchise meta narrative explaining all the insane Admirals are the result of them taking the insane captains and kicking them upstairs like they do Janeway when she comes back from terrorizing the Delta Quadrant.
Stuart Baird was brought in to film Nemesis by executive producer Rick Berman. ... He wanted to add energy to the action scenes and added some set pieces, such as the car chase. He called that scene a "signature piece" for the film which turns dark after the crew is put in danger by the inhabitants of the planet. ... Despite Frakes' being on the cast, and having directed the previous two Star Trek films, Baird decided not to seek his opinion on the direction of the film.
Actors LeVar Burton (Geordi La Forge) and Marina Sirtis (Deanna Troi) have spoken unflatteringly of director Stuart Baird, criticizing him for not watching any of the episodes of The Next Generation.[24] Sirtis has bluntly called Baird "an idiot."[25] Jonathan Frakes, while praising both the character of Shinzon and actor Tom Hardy (who played the role), said that if he himself had directed, as he had done with the previous two Trek films, he would have made the film less villain-centric and given more screen time to the regular Next Generation cast.
During production of Nemesis, a script developed by John Logan and Brent Spiner was in the works for a fifth and final film featuring the TNG cast that would have wrapped up the adventures of the Enterprise-E crew, with tie-ins to historical aspects of the Star Trek franchise. However, the poor performance of Nemesis at the box office convinced Paramount that the franchise was suffering from 'franchise fatigue', and the script was abandoned.ugh that would have been even worse probably, Data and B4 were the worst parts of Nemesis, especially because they're the reason Picard is driving all that crap.
"Damage report."
"Disruptors are down, and the cloaking device is lodged in the Enterprise's hull."
"What about the extremely delicate superweapon?"
"...Surprisingly, still operational, sir."
"Excellent. Activate it while I double over in the horrible pain that defines my existence."
"Yes, sir. Initiating Edgelord Array firing sequence."
According to Bennett, he was called in front of a group including Jeffrey Katzenberg and Michael Eisner and asked if he thought he could make a better film than The Motion Picture, which Bennett confessed he found "really boring".[22] When Bennett replied in the affirmative, Charles Bluhdorn asked, "Can you make it for less than forty-five-fucking-million-dollars?" Bennett replied that "Where I come from, I can make five movies for that."
Kirstie Alley was somewhat uncertain if other fans would accept a Vulcan female and she endeavored not to make the unemotional female character seem too much like "a bitch," by concentrating on the emotionality of Saavik's Romulan heritage, which accounts for her crying on screen at one point. (The Making of the Trek Films, 3rd ed., p. 170) Nichelle Nichols said about the performance decision to show Saavik shedding tears, "That was Kirstie's idea, a beautiful touch." (Beyond Uhura, p. 251) However, William Shatner was alarmed by this behavior during filming and asked Meyer if he was going to "let her do that." (The View from the Bridge - Memories of Star Trek and a Life in Hollywood, hardback ed., p. 118) The director related, "[Shatner] said, 'Well, Vulcans can't cry.' I said, 'Yeah, well, that's why it's going to be so distressing when this one does.'"
Have to say, Wesley Crusher is a lot less annoying in the second season. Maybe the hatred is overblown.I think there is a formal name for it in Star Trek fandom, but they had this problem with both Wesley and Worf. Several writer independently thought it would be a good idea to have Wesley save the ship. Several writers independently decided a good way to show how tough that monster is would be to have it beat up the Klingon security officer. And result: Wesley is insufferable, and Worf looks easy to beat, as it happens every other week.
I forgot they remastered all the old TOS episodes. That gives me a reason to watch some of my favorite episodes again along with the movies.They're pretty neat. The actual updates to effects are subtle, and completely in-line with the aesthetic. The only place I found them noticeable are in the final credits, where the type treatment over the episode's live-action still imagery is less crisp than the treatment displayed on still images of the effects.
For some reason I had completely erased that from my brain even though I remember being excited when it was announced all those years ago.
The TNG remasters did a lot of that kind of subtle stuff you wouldn't think of, along with the major impact from simply moving up the original film to HD, that made shit sparkle.
(http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/encounteratfarpoint/30b-encounteratfarpoint.jpg)(http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/observations/encounteratfarpoint/30b-encounteratfarpoint-r.jpg)
McCoy having Spock's mind is handled in a goofy manner.
Writers Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story to be used for season five of Enterprise which would have followed up on the events in "Regeneration". They intended to bring actress Alice Krige back to Star Trek as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg seen in this episode. This was to result in the creation of the Borg Queen first seen in First Contact, which was played by Krige
Enterprise didn't do it as badly as I feared they were going to, but it was still one of their more poorly handled reference to the lore episodes. Compare to the Ferengi one where they never really get a good look at them or anything, assume it's some kind of space pirates, etc.
BUT, they could have:QuoteWriters Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story to be used for season five of Enterprise which would have followed up on the events in "Regeneration". They intended to bring actress Alice Krige back to Star Trek as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg seen in this episode. This was to result in the creation of the Borg Queen first seen in First Contact, which was played by Krige
As much as I like Alice Krige, and I don't mind the Borg Queen, that episode would be a bit too fanwank or Small Universe for me. After reading a bunch of the episode synopses they were pitching, I feel ENT season 5 was going to approach fanfiction levels of callbacks. I wouldn't have expected a 2-part Code Of Honor prequel story to happen, but I'd be less surprised than I'd like to if it did happen.Enterprise didn't do it as badly as I feared they were going to, but it was still one of their more poorly handled reference to the lore episodes. Compare to the Ferengi one where they never really get a good look at them or anything, assume it's some kind of space pirates, etc.
BUT, they could have:QuoteWriters Judith and Garfield Reeves-Stevens pitched a story to be used for season five of Enterprise which would have followed up on the events in "Regeneration". They intended to bring actress Alice Krige back to Star Trek as a Starfleet medical technician who makes contact with the Borg seen in this episode. This was to result in the creation of the Borg Queen first seen in First Contact, which was played by Krige
That might've been cool. I've had a soft spot for Krige despite the Borg Queen misstep, because she got naked in a horror movie I saw as a kid, which affected my adolescence in unexpected ways.
Thanks for the spoiler-tag, Stoney. Someone had already spoiled that for me, even before benji danced too near it.
The real problem with The Borg is that they had to create an even more frightening and ruthless villain to ever seriously take them down, Kathryn Janeway.
Anytime I've heard Janeway brought up it's almost always to hate on her :lol I'm actually thinking of avoiding Voyager because it's the trek show that I remember seeing advertised, watched an episode of once and hated it to the point of avoiding watching Trek till now.
Then again, I was like 8 then.
I’m also noticing in season three that Captain Archer is being written as shorter tempered, less tolerant, and more obsessive.
Watched Enterprise's Twilight episode last night, effectively this series' Yesterday's Enterprise. Very enjoyable, through-and-through. I felt like I got a whole tour of those characters' lives and motivations. I'm sad that they didn't touch on Mayweather though.
One influence on the Ferengi was what Herb Wright described as Gene Roddenberry's "sex fetish." In early first season discussions between them about developing the Ferengi, Roddenberry let Wright know it was his intention to make the species well-endowed. "He wanted to put a gigantic codpiece on the Ferengi," Wright stated. "He spent 25 minutes explaining to me all the sexual positions the Ferengi could go through. I finally said, 'Gene, this is a family show, on at 7:00 on Saturdays. He finally said, 'Okay, you're right.'"
Rajin was really bad; like, really in-poor-faith fanservice bad. The slave merchant has just a bunch of females on display; my first thought honestly was, "Wait, all the races are male dominant? Why aren't there scantily clad buff dudes around?" Which is probably my UC Santa Cruz background working overtime, but still. The slave merchant also looked like he was cosplaying a Dragonball Z character, you know the one. They even had to put the woman in a different revealing suit in the final scene. It also had the weird bit where Archer enters the jail cell with someone who can disrupt brains, and with no other guards present he leaves the door open behind him. Baffling.Watched Enterprise's Twilight episode last night, effectively this series' Yesterday's Enterprise. Very enjoyable, through-and-through. I felt like I got a whole tour of those characters' lives and motivations. I'm sad that they didn't touch on Mayweather though.
Yeah that was a good episode. Jolene Blalock was really good with T'pol imo when she was given good material. (which wasn't always the case)
You also are fortunately by a few episodes I hated.
Rajiin was an embarrassing and sexist episode imo. Everybody comes off incredibly dumb in that one. One of the worst episodes of the show.
Impulse was the zombie vulcans they went to rescue on the ship. Silly episode.
Exile was a beauty and the beast episode but in this case, the beast was a stalker, harasser alien with not a single redeemable quality and predictable plotline.
I did not like those three episodes and it sourced me a bit on the early part of the season, but it never gets that bad again during the season imo.
In 2012, Ronald D. Moore remembered Gene Roddenberry performed a rewrite on "Ménage à Troi" and added a questionable description of fruit during the picnic scene on Betazed; "Mrs. Troi reaches into the picnic basket and brings out an oskoid, which is a long cylindrical piece of fruit with veins going down the side and offers it to Riker to take a bite."excellent
Director Robert Legato remembers, "The script was written by Gene Roddenberry's secretary [Susan Sackett, along with her partner, Fred Bronson], and Gene's wife [Majel Barrett] was in it, so he was on the set all the time. It made me nervous. The first day, when I had to get out there and tell everyone what to do, I looked out the corner of my eye to see how Gene was reacting. But they were so nice. Gene was so supportive, and Majel was great; if you want to try it three different ways, she will.
Came across what I thought was the first truly great episode of Enterprise. There have been plenty of good to very good episodes of the show but arguably not so many where I could easily put it in a time capsule and say this is as good as it gets for various reasons.
Dear Doctor was a very good episode and similar to the one I'm talking about. Shockwave both parts are very good episodes. But Cogenitor is to me what Trek is about. A good moral dilemma that is evenly balanced on both sides so its hard to feel good with whatever decision is made.
http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Cogenitor_(episode)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cogenitor
I have a weird tick where if a piece of entertainment makes me tense, sometimes I'll just pause it and come back to it later right in the middle of the episode. It's odd. I wish I didn't do it, but its my way of dealing with an overload of tension. Sometimes just a minute is enough. Sometimes it takes 10 minutes. Sometimes I'll stop and come back to it the next day. This episode made me take three of those little breaks. I think this episode tensed me up because it telegraphs where its going super early so the tension builds to an inevitable easy to see climax that is still satisfying. But dealing with the tension the whole episode causes my little tick to surface.
btw this might be the shittiest trailer of all time for anything. If this is how they advertised the show, no wonder people tuned out. Completely misses the point of the episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNYOdu59gew
If I wrote for The Orville, I'd find it hard not to mine these old episodes pages for rejected content.
Moore described Generations as a project with a number of required elements that the film "had to have".[13] Berman felt that including the original cast of the previous Star Trek films felt like a "good way to pass the baton" to the next series.[12] The studio wanted the original cast to only appear in the first minutes, with Kirk only recurring at the end of the film. Other requests included a big Khan Noonien Singh-like antagonist, Klingons, and a humorous Data plot.[13]
Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley declined to appear as Spock and Leonard McCoy. Nimoy (who was offered the job of directing the film) felt that there were story problems with the script and that Spock's role was extraneous[6]—"I said to everybody concerned [...] that if you took the dozen or so lines of Spock dialog and simply changed the name of the character, nobody would notice the difference."[7] The Next Generation producer Rick Berman said that "Both Leonard Nimoy and DeForest Kelley felt they made a proper goodbye in the last movie [Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country]".[8]
Watched "The Emissary" earlier and never expected to find a klingon girl to be so attractive.What's a clipshow?
On the first episode of the third season and TNG really improved. Didn't expect a clipshow to end the second season though.
"Shades of Gray" is the 22nd episode of the second season of the American science fiction television series Star Trek: The Next Generation, the 48th episode overall. It was originally broadcast on July 17, 1989, in broadcast syndication. It was the only clip show filmed during the series and was created due to a lack of funds left over from other episodes during the season.
Watched "The Emissary" earlier and never expected to find a klingon girl to be so attractive.What's a clipshow?
On the first episode of the third season and TNG really improved. Didn't expect a clipshow to end the second season though.
That Emissary actress is Suzie Plakson, and she is fantastic. She was also a Vulcan in TNG at one point, nails it, and goes on to play an Andorian in Enterprise, which is also pretty great.
File this under today's most unexpected news - a new rumor suggests Quentin Tarantino is planning to make a Star Trek movie at Paramount.
Sources close to Deadline say that Tarantino has cooked up a "great idea" for a Star Trek movie, and after sharing his idea with JJ Abrams (who 'rebooted' the series in 2009), a plan has reportedly been put in place to assemble a writer's room to begin building a script. If all goes to plan, Tarantino may direct the film, with Abrams attached to produce.
so any guesses to what charlie brooker and co. are gonna try to say with this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgTtyfgzGc0
so any guesses to what charlie brooker and co. are gonna try to say with this one?It'll be a holodeck episode.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgTtyfgzGc0
Just finished "Yesterday's Enterprise" and I loved it. Might be my favorite episode so far.:respect
so any guesses to what charlie brooker and co. are gonna try to say with this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgTtyfgzGc0
It's hard to imagine a Tarantino style approach in a Trek film (not a knock. I adore the man). But ANYTHING is better than what those last three films were going for.
Just finished "Yesterday's Enterprise" and I loved it. Might be my favorite episode so far.
It's hard to imagine a Tarantino style approach in a Trek film (not a knock. I adore the man). But ANYTHING is better than what those last three films were going for.
Those were serviceable SF action films.
They just weren't particularly Star Trek, despite two actors doing fabulous imitations of McCoy and Spock.
I don't usually care about that, though. The new movies absolutely made Star Trek more popular, and somewhat more acceptable fandom wise. Being the butt of the lol geeks joke for so long repelled people from ever wanting to touch the series, myself included. Trekkies themselves didn't help. I don't really care for the whole introducing a new generation angle anywhere mostly because when it comes to anything that has already been popular or somewhat popular for decades that's not all on whatever new installment reaped the benefits.
That's why reboots, soft reboots, etc. are an easy sell and are further relied upon by corporations. When something has gone on long enough it'll inevitably reach a point where less people are inclined to start because of the time sink. Why start Star Trek when there's 5 shows, a cartoon and ten movies to catch up on? A reboot with all the recognizable characters everybody has seen referenced and/or parodied everywhere without the decades long continuity but with high production values isn't the hardest sell.
Feels like it has less to do with the movie itself and falls more along the lines of praising the producers for knowing how well to sell a product.
I fully acknowledge I may be overly harsh on those new movies. Probably in a way that I'm generally not when it comes to fandom. Star Trek TOS is one of the few things I tend to be overly nerdy about in a purist kind of manner. Purist in tone I mean, not in lore canon and stuff like that.
I think those movies are fine for people new to the franchise or casual fans, (or if you just like them). The first one I went to see with my brother and my nephew and they fall into that casual/new group and they enjoyed it. So I understand they have appeal to people and those movies aren't just made for nerd purists like me.
My issue which is only reinforced after having re-watched the first 6 movies is that they don't reflect the things I value in TOS specifically and Trek in general. Oh, the names are there. The people acting like the characters are there. It's like watching an alien facsimile. It's certainly an approximation of TOS but it never feels like the spirit is there. The plots are complete throwaway. They are less diverse than the show or the old movies in tone. The relationships don't grip in the same way. They are decent/good modern circa 2010 action movies but poor trek movies to me. They are neither different enough to really seem fresh nor consistent enough where it feels like something actually like the tos show or movies were. They aren't bold movies that risk much even when they try to ala Vulcan genocide.
There are reboots that are new but capture the essence of what the old thing was or improve it. The new MST3k reboot for example. BSG re-imagining. I think Discovery is a better reboot of trek than those movies. It takes more chances.
The best thing I can say about Taratino coming in if he does, is however it turns out, is that I know whatever he does will have a vision. It will have a unique take on the world and not just feel like a cobbled together thing to try to please everybody.
I don't usually care about that, though. The new movies absolutely made Star Trek more popular, and somewhat more acceptable fandom wise. Being the butt of the lol geeks joke for so long repelled people from ever wanting to touch the series, myself included. Trekkies themselves didn't help. I don't really care for the whole introducing a new generation angle anywhere mostly because when it comes to anything that has already been popular or somewhat popular for decades that's not all on whatever new installment reaped the benefits.I mean, yeah, there's a reason they did Kirk/Spock/Scotty and all. Though I think TNG has almost reached a point now where you could do it.
That's why reboots, soft reboots, etc. are an easy sell and are further relied upon by corporations. When something has gone on long enough it'll inevitably reach a point where less people are inclined to start because of the time sink. Why start Star Trek when there's 5 shows, a cartoon and ten movies to catch up on? A reboot with all the recognizable characters everybody has seen referenced and/or parodied everywhere without the decades long continuity but with high production values isn't the hardest sell.
Feels like it has less to do with the movie itself and falls more along the lines of praising the producers for knowing how well to sell a product.
Do any of the deleted scenes explain why Shinzon hid B4 right next to Bartertown or why the away team forget to wear their spiked shoulder pads to the dune buggy chase?Yep, replicators can't make pig shit. Weird flaw nobody has worked out of the system.
I dunno, I'm new to Trek but I can definitely say neither Discovery nor The Orville appeal to me. If I were to be more honest neither Voyager nor DS9 are shows I'm keen on starting. I've reached the 6th season of TNG and plan on watching TOS plus all the old timeline movies(good or not) and I'm fine leaving it at that.
So when are they going to put Discovery, on netflix or hulu?
Deep Space Nine also reminds me a lot of Babylon 5 for whatever reason, and I much prefer Babylon 5 so that doesn't help either.why not both dot gif
So when are they going to put Discovery, on netflix or hulu?The real question is, when will DSC be a product and not a service? I want to be able to buy. A license to the season on iTunes or BDs eventually.
even though the Dominion storyline wound up doing as much development for the Klingons and Romulans as TNG had)
Deep Space Nine also reminds me a lot of Babylon 5 for whatever reason, and I much prefer Babylon 5 so that doesn't help either.why not both dot gif
the flame wars over those in the day :lawd
I am still trying to work my way into DS9 — I don't know why, it just doesn't resonate with me. It's difficult, coming off from the final season of Enterprise, which I enjoyed so much.
Watching Discovery now, just finished Lethe, gotta catch up with the rest of you dudes. Lorca appears to have some stability issues.
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I think this sort of thing made DS9 the most progressive Star Trek show. TNG would wax philosophical about how racism is bad, etc, but then depict every alien race as a really superficial monocultural stereotype of one or two character traits.
DS9 inverted this completely by breaking these molds in every way and doing the exact opposite of what you'd expect if you judged them by the stereotypes.
TNG, for all its high-mindedness, was frequently backwards, or maybe naive. Look at Worf. He's different. That's the basis of most of his storylines. To be fair they stress that 'different is okay' and that accepting difference is important. But honestly, Worf was raised by humans, he has all the education and experience a human has, but... he's different.
Imagine if this were a story about a black dude. Yeah, this black dude went to white people schools, and he got all this education and shit, but he's still a black dude and therefore different by nature. We should be accepting of his black dude ways, but let us never forget he's very different because he's a black dude.
TNG was almost there. The ideal of treating everyone as equals and respecting everyone's way of life is great. But they missed the mark by being accidentally racist, by creating these races and saying 'they behave like X or like X' which is, really, a very prejudiced thing to do.
Deep Space Nine is the most progressive show for these reasons. Feed DS9 a race that's supposed to be greedy capitalists, it spits out Ferengi Starfleet cadets, Rom selflessly joining a resistance and becoming a good father, and Quark time and time again choosing friendship and morality over profit (even if he never stops bitching about it).
Cardassians, they're all a race of tyrannical assholes, right? One of the finest episodes of Star Trek - ever - is in the first season of DS9, and everyone here knows what I'm talking about - it's Duet, and this 'typical Cardassian tyrant' turns out to be a low-level non-combatant that is so haunted by the atrocities of his government that he's willing to pretend to be basically Space Hitler just so he can be killed and let a lot of people rest easier knowing they beat the Bad Guy. And Dukat - the actual Hitler of the whole affair; he's broken and constantly seeks approval and forgiveness from everyone around him, leading, at one point, to him creating a cult just to gather around people who actually like him and don't think of him simply as a butcher and tyrant.
DS9 did this over and over, and it even inverted it with humans - Jake, son of the Sisko, he's gonna join Starfleet right, to please his old man? Nah. Jake's gonna be a journalist. Nog comes to Sisko, and it's squeaked out that he's doing this because he's afraid of being a loser like his father... so he's turning to Sisko, of course, as a father figure....
I'm rambling at this point, but yeah, you're right:
DS9 treated the Ferengi much more differently than TNG did.
Why; because TNG was high-minded with sci-fi concepts and used alien races to stand in for elements of humanity. Alien races were metaphors for human behavior.
But then DS9 came along... and it took those TNG stereotypes and broke the fuck out of them. It's Star Trek at its most progressive. And it wasn't even insulting about it... when you saw Nog breaking out of his greedy capitalism, you also saw him teaching Jake wisdom about the 'Great River of Commerce'. In TNG the Ferengi were portrayed as backward losers, but Nog brings wisdom that makes you respect other cultures and ways of thinking. TNG never would have done this, the Ferengi were merely representative of Bad Capitalistic Humans and that's where the nuance ends. DS9 basically unfolded and subverted racist ideas from TNG.
And that's why DS9 is really the best, smartest, most progressive, most thoughtful Star Trek.
TL:DR, TNG used foreign races as shortcuts for human nature. DS9 challenged the very idea of limiting someone based on their race. DS9 fucking rules and it's one of the best television shows ever made, and fuck anyone who disagrees.
Just finished Discovery episode. Slower set-up drama episode but I liked it. Sonequa Martin-Green really nails her scenes in general and in this episode in particular.
I wish there were two episodes left instead of one. I'm fine with the setup here for the finale but if that last episode is only like 45 minutes I feel like its going to be overly rushed. I'd prefer like a 2 in 1 episode or at least an especially long final episode. We'll see next week I guess.
Just finished Discovery episode. Slower set-up drama episode but I liked it. Sonequa Martin-Green really nails her scenes in general and in this episode in particular.
I wish there were two episodes left instead of one. I'm fine with the setup here for the finale but if that last episode is only like 45 minutes I feel like its going to be overly rushed. I'd prefer like a 2 in 1 episode or at least an especially long final episode. We'll see next week I guess.
Since they're being nonstandard in length, what chance is there that it may be a 90-minute finale?
lol. Discounting whether the game is any good or not, are there really enough fans to make something like this viable. I mean I know Star Trek online has been going for a long time now but this....this has been up on Steam/iOS/Google Play/etc. for a while: http://store.steampowered.com/app/600750/Star_Trek_Timelines/
“I don’t think Quentin is going to direct it,” Pegg told the Happy Sad Confused podcast. “Because he’s got his California movie [Once Upon A Time In Hollywood] to do and then I think only doing one more film after that. And I doubt, I don’t think he could get around to directing a Star Trek in two-three years.”
Quote“I don’t think Quentin is going to direct it,” Pegg told the Happy Sad Confused podcast. “Because he’s got his California movie [Once Upon A Time In Hollywood] to do and then I think only doing one more film after that. And I doubt, I don’t think he could get around to directing a Star Trek in two-three years.”
http://www.denofgeek.com/us/movies/star-trek/272338/quentin-tarantino-star-trek-movie-might-not-happen-says-simon-pegg
Kinda curious, how do north americans pronounce 'de Boer'?
The Bajoran/Cardassian conflict in DS9 is clearly an allegory for Palestine/Israel and i don't care what the writers say. Kira was talking about fasting because it's when the prophet did blablabla, shit was obvious.
This afternoon at the Discovery panel at San Diego Comic-Con’s Hall H, co-creator and current showrunner Alex Kurtzman announced Star Trek: Short Treks, a series of monthly short-form stories that will function like bonus content and air on CBS All Access in conjunction with the larger Star Trek: Discovery series. CBS says Short Treks, which will air in installments of about 10 to 15 minutes, is “an opportunity for deeper storytelling and exploration of key characters and themes that fit into… the expanding Star Trek universe.”
Among the planned episodes: a Harvey Mudd episode directed by (and, of course, starring) Rainn Wilson; a sidebar for Ensign Sylvia Tilly (Mary Wiseman); an episode starring Aldis Hodge (AKA Jack from the Black Mirror episode “Black Museum”) as a man stranded on a deserted ship; and, best of all, a much-needed deep dive into Lieutenant Commander Saru, the first (and evidently only) Kelpien in Starfleet.
“There is no shortage of compelling stories to tell in the Star Trek universe that inspire, entertain, and either challenge our preconceived ideas or affirm long held beliefs, and we are excited to broaden the universe already with Short Treks,” Kurtzman said in a press release. “Each episode will deliver closed-ended stories while revealing clues about what’s to come in future Star Trek: Discovery episodes. They’ll also introduce audiences to new characters who may inhabit the larger world of Star Trek.”
Full admission, I don't even watch trailers anymore including that one. They give away too much in all formats for my taste. I post them though because I know other people don't have my same sensibilities on that kind of stuff.
This is almost certainly going to turn out in way that nobody wants, but Patrick Stewart is great in anything so I'll watch it probably.
I just want goofy early-90s space adventures with Captain Picard, please.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCKQp1sGVRQ
Pine was due to reprise his role as iconic sci-fi hero Captain Kirk, which he has inhabited for three movies, while Hemsworth was to have played his father in a time-traveling adventure. (Hemsworth played the role in the prologue in the 2009 movie that rebooted the franchise.)
The deal points came down to the usual suspect: money. Pine and Hemsworth, among Hollywood’s A-list when starring in DC or Marvel movies, are said to be asking the studios to stick to existing deals. Paramount, according to insiders, contends that Trek is not like a Marvel or Star Wars movie and is trying to hold the line on a budget.
The actors, according to sources, insist they have deals in place and that the studios are reneging on them, forcing them to take pay cuts as they try to budget a movie that is following a mediocre performer.
Chris Pine's Kirk is pretty great, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take over the role.
Chris Pine's Kirk is pretty great, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take over the role.
No more Kirks please.
Make 👏🏻 new 👏🏻 things 👏🏻
Chris Pine's Kirk is pretty great, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take over the role.
No more Kirks please.
Make 👏🏻 new 👏🏻 things 👏🏻
I'm all for new things but let's be real. They aren't making new trek movies with crew no one has ever heard of. Trek movies only exist on the back of established characters.
Chris Pine's Kirk is pretty great, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take over the role.
No more Kirks please.
Make 👏🏻 new 👏🏻 things 👏🏻
I'm all for new things but let's be real. They aren't making new trek movies with crew no one has ever heard of. Trek movies only exist on the back of established characters.
This is exactly why Discovery should never have been a prequel. Goddamnit.
Yeah it's the farm ep with his brother and nephew, with that great heartwarming ending Generations proceeded to take a big steamy shit on.
I love the poker scene.
Yeah it's the farm ep with his brother and nephew, with that great heartwarming ending Generations proceeded to take a big steamy shit on.
I think Lower Decks is the better series finale. :yeshrug
I remember watching TNG series finale the night it premiered. I was very, very confused.
I wish I could talk like this about Buffy and Angel here with someone (other than benji.) :'(
I wanna do an Angel rewatch soon, maybe I'll make a thread.
I didn’t know Star Trek was that popular before the motion picture. I thought the motion picture is what made Star Trek mainstream. I thought Star Trek while having its fanbase wasn’t that popular in its initial run or even reruns?Could be wrong.The Motion Picture happened because Star Trek became popular enough for one.
Chris Pine's Kirk is pretty great, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take over the role.
Chris Pine's Kirk is pretty great, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take over the role.
I'd honestly like to see Abram's universe get expanded into TNG
Why not though? Why wouldn’t that work? Because it hasn’t been done before? Maybe the problem is that the movies have too much of a reliance on established characters. I think they should try a movie series with a movie only crew, but they won’t.Chris Pine's Kirk is pretty great, but I wouldn't mind seeing someone else take over the role.
No more Kirks please.
Make 👏🏻 new 👏🏻 things 👏🏻
I'm all for new things but let's be real. They aren't making new trek movies with crew no one has ever heard of. Trek movies only exist on the back of established characters.
Following the surprise resignation of Federation President Min Zife after the disastrous Tezwa affair, Nan Bacco of Cestus III has won a hotly contested election to become the new chief executive of over one hundred fifty planetary civilizations and their colonies. But no sooner does she take office than the Romulan Star Empire falls into chaos. With tensions already high, a Reman refugee ship is sighted approaching a Federation outpost, its intentions unknown.
As the first year of the Bacco Administration unfolds, the Federation Council is slow to work with its new president, and not always supportive of her policies or her appointments to key council positions; a successful first contact suddenly becomes a diplomatic disaster; and the sins of President Zife prove difficult to lay to rest...as one celebrated Starfleet officer's career reaches a turning point.
The President of The Federation is a main character in some of the post-Nemesis novels.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/4/47/Articles_of_the_federation.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050902062649)QuoteFollowing the surprise resignation of Federation President Min Zife after the disastrous Tezwa affair, Nan Bacco of Cestus III has won a hotly contested election to become the new chief executive of over one hundred fifty planetary civilizations and their colonies. But no sooner does she take office than the Romulan Star Empire falls into chaos. With tensions already high, a Reman refugee ship is sighted approaching a Federation outpost, its intentions unknown.
As the first year of the Bacco Administration unfolds, the Federation Council is slow to work with its new president, and not always supportive of her policies or her appointments to key council positions; a successful first contact suddenly becomes a diplomatic disaster; and the sins of President Zife prove difficult to lay to rest...as one celebrated Starfleet officer's career reaches a turning point.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Nanietta_Bacco
the "canon-ish" novels introduce like five of them altogether and I think four of them are assassinated/attempted, which is roughly the same percentage as the ones who appear in the show/films :lol
That if you really wanted to give Trek to a new generation you would do it just like TNG did, like VOY did, and like ENT tried. Each generation should get their own crew to "grow up" with.
The President of The Federation is a main character in some of the post-Nemesis novels.
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/4/47/Articles_of_the_federation.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20050902062649)QuoteFollowing the surprise resignation of Federation President Min Zife after the disastrous Tezwa affair, Nan Bacco of Cestus III has won a hotly contested election to become the new chief executive of over one hundred fifty planetary civilizations and their colonies. But no sooner does she take office than the Romulan Star Empire falls into chaos. With tensions already high, a Reman refugee ship is sighted approaching a Federation outpost, its intentions unknown.
As the first year of the Bacco Administration unfolds, the Federation Council is slow to work with its new president, and not always supportive of her policies or her appointments to key council positions; a successful first contact suddenly becomes a diplomatic disaster; and the sins of President Zife prove difficult to lay to rest...as one celebrated Starfleet officer's career reaches a turning point.
http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Nanietta_Bacco
the "canon-ish" novels introduce like five of them altogether and I think four of them are assassinated/attempted, which is roughly the same percentage as the ones who appear in the show/films :lol
I can't believe that you also follow IMAGINARY politics to this level of detail.
mariokarter13
1 week ago
A real headline from a real news outlet:
New 'Star Trek' reboot starring Patrick Stewart is CBS' latest All Access offering. But who's the audience? The show is a dream come true for many Next Generation fans, but something of a retreat from the progressivism of Star Trek: Discovery
And the media wonder why they're called out of touch.
Rich Mond
1 day ago
It's very sad that today, films and TV shows aren't made for entertainment, only profit.
QuoteRich Mond
1 day ago
It's very sad that today, films and TV shows aren't made for entertainment, only profit.
Benji plz read and give us your thoughtsI'm not sure about some of that gibberish or socialism jibber jabber, but it's Kurtzman. I think I pointed out here way back before Discovery even started that Kurtzman wanted to build up to a Klingon War in the films but JJ leaving and him breaking up with Orci derailed that thankfully, but then Kurtzman somehow got back into the franchise and then took over it. The article says it's not sure what Fuller wanted, but he was pretty clear on an anthology where it changed every season and could take place anywhere in Trek's timeline. Kurtzman wants KLINGON WAR.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/05/the-dismal-frontier
This last part—Trek’s utopianism—is likely the key to its continuing prominence. Modern media fandom really began with Star Trek: in the 60s and 70s, Trekkies, mostly female Trekkies, created fanzines and the first real pop culture conventions. People liked the Star Trek universe created by Gene Roddenberry so much that they wanted to live in it, or barring that, talk about it constantly with people who understood why the camaraderie of multicultural nerds in space meant so much to them. The fans fought to keep the original series from being cancelled (and failed); and yet the show remained popular in syndication, and has since spawned thirteen movies and five more TV shows: The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, Voyager, Enterprise—and now, in 2017-2018, Discovery, a show so odd, so off-putting, so vicious and violent and militaristic that it seems like an invader from another universe entirely.
"The defining factor of Roddenberry's vision is the optimistic view of the future ... Once you lose that, you lose the essence of what Star Trek is. That being said…we live in very different times. Every day we look at the news and it is hard. It is hard to see what we see. I think now more than ever Trek is needed as a reminder of what we can be and the best of who we can be. Star Trek has always been a mirror to the time it reflected and [the topical question now] is how do you preserve and protect what Starfleet is in the weight of a challenge like war and the things that have to be done in war. [That] is a very interesting and dramatic problem."
—Executive producer Alex Kurtzman on the balance between classic Star Trek and new elements in Discovery
felt that the aftereffects of the first season would be felt moving forward: "The results of the war are going to allow for a lot of new storytelling that will be the result of everything that happens and the people that are left behind; the casualties, the things that have grown in Starfleet as a result of the war. That's what we'll inherit in the second season."
But it seems like it belies a fundamental misunderstanding of not only Trek as a franchise (or really any series), but the history of the real world and also producing successful dramatic story. Even more than that his own notions of what Trek is supposed to be literally two seconds earlier.
I only have Kurtzman's Trek to go off of, but he comes off with desiring a fetishistic glamorization of war for its bad parts. "The things that have to be done in war." And in the other quote how the second season will bring with it from the war "the things that are left behind; the casualties, the things that have grown in Starfleet as a result of the war"
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"The things that have to be done in war." DS9 dealt with this, and in the only way possible, an endless tragedy for everyone. Everyone's morals and morale is broken, an entire species has nearly been wiped out and the show makes us feel for them despite them being the bad guys from day one (and despite their two representative characters for the end story arc being the most blatantly grey or worse characters on it), another race was targeted for deliberate genocide (let alone what the Federation was going to let happen in the Gamma Quadrant as a result from the Dominion collapsing), pretty much all the main characters relationships have been shattered during and by the war and personal sacrifices are made to the very end. The Romulans aren't friends now because of the war and don't stick around to celebrate. The Klingons are putting on a brave face, but as the show multiple times indicates they are finished as a power, maybe for generations, because of the war and their ways. (Their entire government was overthrown just recently in a conference room by their new Federation ambassador.)
There's no optimism and "a reminder of what we can be and the best of who we can be" in weighing the challenge of war and "the things that have to be done." There can't be. War is inherently a failure, a disaster. Especially an intergalactic one.
You have literally the universe given to you and you want to explore war? You'll never explore it even on the level of something like Homeland has done. You can't deal with the consequences like you claim other than to revel in the suffering of certain characters. Real war tears apart societies on a level you can never do on a show where you want to keep the main cast and keep the main premise well past it.
And again DS9 already did all this and pushed it to the brink of where it could go before we tumble over an event horizon of no return. The Federation was literally prepared to commit genocide and bring about the collapse of an entire civilization that had the potential to kill untold trillions because it could not fight the war indefinitely. (And they didn't even know what havoc Janeway was unleashing in the Delta Quadrant at the time.) An idea which, by the way, you'll recall was already less successfully attempted by two "bad" powers. And for all the wartime ethics "In A Pale Moonlight" toys around with which Garak rightly points out has been a line they've crossed many times in the past and Sisko knew he would be crossing from the start, in the end, Sisko risks literally everything, trillions upon trillions of lives, on Bashir successfully getting the cure from Sloane's mind AND Odo being able to convince the Founders to end the war in exchange. DS9 had to end because they couldn't cover the aftermath of what they DID do, especially on Cardassia, let alone wrestle with what they nearly did.
If your Trek is premised on exploring "the things that have to be done in a war" because we "live in very different times ... the news ... is hard" and your previous Trek films featured a faction of the Federation determined to be prepared for the next war (after untold billions died to a Romulan ship from a future alternate timeline) that is utterly ruthless and prepared to slaughter anyone to pursue this goal pre-emptively then I'm not sure how your Trek is going to ever be optimistic or about exploration or about really anything but just brutal terrible suffering for everyone in just crudely and clumsily handled ways.
Noting that the Klingons historically represented the Soviet Union, becoming friendlier with the protagonists of Star Trek as the Cold War ended, Harberts stated that in Discovery they and Starfleet would represent different factions within the modern United States, explaining that "what we really wanted to do too is understand two differing points of view and really explore it ... I frankly love what they represent. Not in terms necessarily of all the messaging, but in terms of learning about them and learning why they are who they are and making sure they aren't just the enemy. And then finding a way to come together. How do we bring everyone back together? What do we do? What does it take? It is a big challenge for us, but that is what season one is all about."
Berg elaborated that "one of the themes we are exploring is universal and is a lesson I feel like as human beings we have to learn over and over again—is you think you know ‘the other,' but you really don't. You have to sort of cognitively re-frame or break or deviate from your own point of view to really understand. You have to forget what you knew before. One of the big steps in that journey is how to understand yourself. You have to understand yourself before you can better see others. The show is called Discovery and it is called Discovery for a reason, because our characters are on a journey."
"One of the driving forces of this war was to not vilify either side. The show is often told from both points of view ... there are significant sections of the narrative that are purely from the Klingon point of view and in Klingon. That allows the audience to participate in the debate of who is right and who is wrong."
—Executive producer Akiva Goldsman on approaching the Federation-Klingon war from both sides
Benji it's not DIS it's STD.
No, that's Kurtzman.
Nah, he's basically herpes. You can learn to love her again but it's unlikely.
TNG
Episode 3 : Oups that's a bit racist ? :trumps "I should forcibly take Yar as my wife !"
Episode 4 : Ferengis are fucking obnoxious :quark "Yar should be nude !"
Episode 5 : Yar flashbacks to her CDPR wet dream of a rape planet. Is there any episode they won't bring her sordid sex life on ? :lol
Man, did Roddenberry have a weird sex fixation when they wrote S1 ?He had a weird sex fixation at all times, difference on TNG season one was that he didn't have as many censors/editors as he had in the past. The novelizations he wrote often added weird sex stuff to them that was never shown or even in the scripts.
TNG S1E9 Hide and QThe remaster even doubled up the number of foreground rocks and rock formations. :lol
Oh god you weren't joking about the set in that one. :neogaf "Were we supposed to composite something into all that background green ?" :picard
Man, did Roddenberry have a weird sex fixation when they wrote S1 ?He had a weird sex fixation at all times, difference on TNG season one was that he didn't have as many censors/editors as he had in the past. The novelizations he wrote often added weird sex stuff to them that was never shown or even in the scripts.
I'm pretty sure his ideal vision of everything off camera on the Enterprise-D was the other thousand people constantly boning in gender fluid ways. (Except Picard.)
Man, did Roddenberry have a weird sex fixation when they wrote S1 ?He had a weird sex fixation at all times, difference on TNG season one was that he didn't have as many censors/editors as he had in the past. The novelizations he wrote often added weird sex stuff to them that was never shown or even in the scripts.
I'm pretty sure his ideal vision of everything off camera on the Enterprise-D was the other thousand people constantly boning in gender fluid ways. (Except Picard.)
And Geordi.
You’re slipping buddy.
Man, did Roddenberry have a weird sex fixation when they wrote S1 ?He had a weird sex fixation at all times, difference on TNG season one was that he didn't have as many censors/editors as he had in the past. The novelizations he wrote often added weird sex stuff to them that was never shown or even in the scripts.
I'm pretty sure his ideal vision of everything off camera on the Enterprise-D was the other thousand people constantly boning in gender fluid ways. (Except Picard.)
And Geordi.
You’re slipping buddy.
Geordi fucked that hologram lady until the real her came on the ship and found the hologram sex doll version of herself. :lol
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I heard Voyager only gets good when Seven shows up
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I liked TNG, maybe I'll like Voyager too
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Voyager is okay. It's the show where you turn your brain off for more than half of the episodes. You know, like your Uncle Frankie that got in that car accident where that metal rod in the back of his truck speared through his head and the doctors had to remove half his skull? That Uncle Frankie.
Considering the Federation is usually corrupt and evil under their idealistic blanket, I agree.
TNG Up the long ladder Obnoxious Irish stereotypes !What's the matter - don't you like girls?
TNG Up the long ladder Obnoxious Irish stereotypes !What's the matter - don't you like girls?
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Started watching some TNG again for the first time in a while, decided to start with season 3 since I just wanted to get right to the good stuff.
First episode is a "Wesley does something stupid and nearly gets everyone killed" episode. :beli
Yep, I was all "I don't get how trekkies keep wanting to bang aliens" till she showed up.
She also finally got to keep her own face on Voyager, she's the Female Q.Yep, I was all "I don't get how trekkies keep wanting to bang aliens" till she showed up.
Suzie Plakson played the half-Klingon in TNG, a half-vulcan earlier than that, I think. Later, she was an Orion in Enterprise.
Super hot.
Started watching some TNG again for the first time in a while, decided to start with season 3 since I just wanted to get right to the good stuff.
First episode is a "Wesley does something stupid and nearly gets everyone killed" episode. :beli
Well it's ok because he admitted to it. And created a new lifeform. It's half the battle.(https://i.gifer.com/Lpcb.gif)
The PICARD ! The PICARD !
To be fair, she calls him out and it seems innocent enough. People just assume he fucks the hologram but he doesn’t seem to use it for that purpose.
- Janeway. She cares so fiercely for her crew. ...oh dear
It gleans into the crews lives. These feel like actual people unlike the TNG crew. ... They’ll have scenes having small talk going over their love lives and it feels natural in terms of chemistry compared to TNG’s bad chemistry between the characters. ...
- classic Trek adventures. Self explanatory. It has an adventure feel of the TOS and I like it.
Ah yes, Romulan Denise Crosby. Even out of the show, the character can't seem to escape RAPE. ::)I think they acknowledged this at the time because later the re-explanation is more consensual in its telling. :lol
The jacket owns and how tf are you going through this so fast? Wtf. 5 seasons in a damn week.
That ep is amazing :lol
What’d you think of Darmok? Imo the best Trek ep I’ve seen
Also, the people who said they drop the Macquis vs Federation plotline lied. They’ve built up for multiple episodes Seska and willingness to be a rebel and her loyalty to the Macquis and it comes to a riveting end in State of Flux. VOY isn’t serialized but it’s a complete misrepresentation to say it drops storylines. Its crew and stories don’t exist in a vacuum like TNG’s and this is just the first season. ...really gonna need ya to slow ya roll here sis
Voyager has done better with its side characters
So is Discovery good or what? Thinking about signing up for CBS All Access if it’s worth watching. :thinking
WTF is this Picard jacket in S5 ? :lol
Is the captain having a mid life crisis ?
Voyagers first holodeck episode is better than every TNG holodeck episode.
Def shaping up to be “TNG but better.”
Voyagers first holodeck episode is better than every TNG holodeck episode.
Def shaping up to be “TNG but better.”
Also it's really weird that families are traveling along on starships starting with TNG, even if the ship is to be sent fighting a Borg cube (!) (As per DS9 pilot intro). I'm sure there's some reason it might make sense in-universe : The dubious "we're not a military ship despite having over two hundred torpedoes" thing and keeping up morale in the strenuous long term postings imposed by space exploration... But it's not even like it is ever used for plots anyway save for a couple of small bits and drama, at least in TNG so far.
Despite its size, you would think the Enterprise-D is nothing but the bridge, a few turbolifts, a few rooms, engineering, sickbay, holodeck, Ten Forward, and the transporter room. Quite a little for small for a ship of that size, eh?
I think they do that only twice. Once in the pilot and another time...I'm not sure.
You will notice as you continue watching and talking that TNG gets a ridiculous number of free passes by its more hardcore fans that they criticize other series for that TNG does in leaps and bounds. For instance, they criticize Voyager for not living up to its premise when TNG does the same. Not having regular civilian cast members despite being a ship large enough to have civilians on it is but one example.
QuoteYou will notice as you continue watching and talking that TNG gets a ridiculous number of free passes by its more hardcore fans that they criticize other series for that TNG does in leaps and bounds. For instance, they criticize Voyager for not living up to its premise when TNG does the same. Not having regular civilian cast members despite being a ship large enough to have civilians on it is but one example.
Who are these rabid TNG hardliners you're constantly hanging out with? :confused
Cause it's nothing like the Trek fandom I know.
In the federation ensigns share rooms. Past that you get your own room I believe.
We know for a fact that ensigns do not get their own quarters (it's mentioned in "Lower Decks")
He did. It’s canon but not treated as serious depending on the show and the importance of the ensign. Harry is a main character so they probably found it best to give him his own room.I could be wrong, but I was under the impression Voyager was running a skeleton crew for its first mission, and even after the Maquis crew got folded in, there still wasn't a lot of people on the ship. So in that sense, everyone getting their own room was something I assumed. I don't remember if the show mentioned anyone bunking up. Even during that Lower Decks wannabe episode with Tom Morello.
Tilly and Michael share a room in DSC though.
When you're on a ship that can go a few thousand kilometres a second without faster than light drive, that's pretty close.
He did. It’s canon but not treated as serious depending on the show and the importance of the ensign. Harry is a main character so they probably found it best to give him his own room.I could be wrong, but I was under the impression Voyager was running a skeleton crew for its first mission, and even after the Maquis crew got folded in, there still wasn't a lot of people on the ship. So in that sense, everyone getting their own room was something I assumed. I don't remember if the show mentioned anyone bunking up. Even during that Lower Decks wannabe episode with Tom Morello.
Tilly and Michael share a room in DSC though.
What ep is this
I started watching TNG but started at season 3
good idea or bad? I already know I dislike Wesley Crusher.
I'm ready.
(https://media.comicbook.com/2018/10/star-trek-discovery-season-2-poster-1136659.jpeg)
13 episodes in, almost every episode features sex in some way lolGene Roddenberry was a horndog.
Rape gangs?
Data talking about sex
Riker trying to get it on with various women
The episode where everybody gets drunk and wants to fuck
This is a crazy ass star trek lemme tell you, its nothing like DS9 or VOY :lol
People love to hate the Trois and the Crushers but the worst recurring character in TNG by far is Lore. None of his episodes are good (the one where Data lockdown the ship has an ok first act but once we get to the meat of the episodes it's downright terrible.) It's not even good for Spiner hamming it up, he already does have quite some opportunities to do that as Data.
Speaking of there's this weird constant throughout the series : everyone seems in mild denial that Data already, for all intents and purposes, have feelings (or at the very least instincts). It's very common but to name a couple examples : his trust in Tasha's sister (or his attachment to Tasha), his compulsion to save the little girl in the doomed world where volcanoes are going crazy, trying to kill the mad smuggler / collectionneur, etc... It's probably just an effect of the status quo being sacred in episodic storytelling but it gets bizarre after a while, like if all the crew deluded themselves in not seeing it.
(or his attachment to Tasha)
On Data, I would add the insistence he's one of a kind... Even long after it's clear to all he's not.
https://youtu.be/x6eoD9rQHL4
Giddy
https://youtu.be/x6eoD9rQHL4
Giddy
That link didn't work for me, so I found another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zKf7pyxa1w
What about these uniforms Benji?
Solid black with a little color on the shoulders and gray collar.
I prefer it to the gray top one.
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/ae/77/d9/ae77d9e5a4b4b77ebc7cd76f7fedb21b.jpg)
Ideally I’d only like captains and admirals to have a gray top uniform.
That said the original Mirror Universe TOS episode is fantastic because TOS works as Twilight Zone-esque sci-fi storytelling and that ep has those particular finger prints all over it.
The Trek crew honed their craft nearly twenty years and the production/direction really shows in Enterprise’s pilot.
Chronic and Stoney might be right about ENT!
Huh? I typed Chrono. Blame autocorrect. Sorry.(https://i.imgur.com/zHj3Xwq.png)
Chrono... triggered.
That said the original Mirror Universe TOS episode is fantastic because TOS works as Twilight Zone-esque sci-fi storytelling and that ep has those particular finger prints all over it.
I dunno guys I really liked the mirror universe episodes in DS9
Trials & Tribbleations is a god tier episode
The O'Briens must be running obscene costs in shrinks :lolspoiler (click to show/hide)Miles : Possessed, replaced by an android, replaced by his future self after witnessing himself dies a couple of times, PTSD.
Keiko : Possessed.
I'm sure I'm forgetting a couple.[close]
DS9 best Trek by virtue of Jeffrey Combs.
Game Sack did an episode on Star Trek videogames. While I dislike Star Wars, SW games are mostly much better than the junk they show here. Best Star Trek game is Star Ocean 2.
https://youtu.be/Vh28YtsLVcg
ME AFTER STAR TREK VOYAGER SEASON 2
Hahaha Tuvix hahaha
Watching voyager has made me realize that most of my complaints with tng were nitpicks. I can’t stand the voyager crew after Tuvix. I find them completely unethical and have gone back to watching some TNG. I skipped most of season 7 so I’m going back to that.
Janeway is trash. She started out fine and then they fucked it up
Janeway is trash. She started out fine and then they fucked it up
Apparently there were two competing (if not opposing) ways to write her depending on who was in charge much to the frustration of Mulgrew. She ended up joking that she played Janeway as a bipolar person.
Janeway is trash. She started out fine and then they fucked it up
Apparently there were two competing (if not opposing) ways to write her depending on who was in charge much to the frustration of Mulgrew. She ended up joking that she played Janeway as a bipolar person.
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Apparently there were two competing (if not opposing) ways to write her depending on who was in charge much to the frustration of Mulgrew. She ended up joking that she played Janeway as a bipolar person.Mulgrew uses this almost as a standard joke line at conventions, really all the Voyager people have become increasingly savage to the show's writing as the years have gone on. Originally they were slightly more defensive about it outside of Robert Beltran, who bashed the show while it was on, and Garret Wang started up right after it ended. But they've all since gotten pretty savage on it, Tim Russ and Jeri Ryan have done some brutal stories about it because of how both their characters were being written as "emotionless" but what they thought was actually more stupid or ignorant. (Ryan, for example, has said she tried to point out multiple times that Seven shouldn't "regress to a child" doing basic things while also having all the Borg knowledge to save the ship every episode still in her brain. And that they never dealt appropriately with what should have been her serious "loss" emotionally and mentally being cut off from the Collective. Instead they just make her like a vulcan.)
You mean you don't like the Kazon? And all their multiple warring tribes that yet somehow always manage to be right where Voyager is despite two years of high warp travel?
Also I’m on season 2 finale of Voyager and nothing has happened plot wise. AT ALL. By this point in DS9 we met the dominion and the beginnings of the dominion war we’re starting to develop. Season 2 of voyager is SO BAD.I was waiting for this shoe to drop.
Dukat creeping on Kira :letsfukk
People are saying that maybe I’m sexist for hating Janeway and have some internal misogynyOh jeez, it's not because she's a woman, it's because of the writing. Yeah, all the captains make decisions based on their own ethics and violate Starfleet rules/Prime Directive/etc., but Janeway does things far beyond any captain, and does them when she doesn't have to while never truly considering the ramifications of her actions, but none of it has do with her being a woman.
Crazy Rich Asians star Michelle Yeoh is in talks to reprise her Star Trek Discovery role of Captain Emperor Georgiou for a stand-alone CBS All Access series, I’ve learned.
...
Still in the early planning stages, the spinoff looks likely to focus on a continuation of her Discovery Season 2 adventures in Starfleet’s Section 31 division.
the series is one of several ideas being pursued by Discovery EP Kurtzman’s Secret Hideout and David Stapf’s CBS TV Studios for the multi-project, multi-year Trekverse expansion, sources say. “My goal is that there should be a Star Trek something on all the time on All Access,” Stapf told Deadline in August.
Saw Yesterday's Enterprise for the first time yesterday, wow that was an awesome episode!!
Is this about the best it gets?
Saw Yesterday's Enterprise for the first time yesterday, wow that was an awesome episode!!
Is this about the best it gets? It was better than anything that came before it I think. Although I am a sucker for mixed timelines and shit.
https://boingboing.net/2018/11/20/cosplay-adjacent-2.html
A 1995 promotional image, featuring Jennifer Lien (right) with her Star Trek: Voyager co-stars Kate Mulgrew (center) and Roxann Dawson (left)
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Speaking with THR, Alex Kurtzman confirmed that the series will actually be set after the events of the 2009 Star Trek film (in the Prime Timeline, of course, rather than the Kelvin alt-reality), which revealed that the Romulan Empire had been torn apart by the destruction of Romulus, consumed by a star going supernova.
According to Kurtzman, the event will have a huge impact on Picard’s life and state of mind:
Picard’s life was radically altered by the dissolution of the Romulan Empire.
A prequel comic to the 2009 movie confirmed Picard was currently ambassador to Vulcan at the time and had long been a part of attempts to unify the Vulcan and Romulan peoples alongside Spock
I used to be a TNG hardliner but I've come to appreciate TOS a lot over the years, mostly thanks to my dad since it's what he grew up with...
We both agree s3 is pretty doodoo tho. I haven't seen TAS yet but he's a big fan, considering he's not much for cartoons either.
Only 9 episodes for the new season lol
So much for a little world/character building
Fuck this show
'Star Trek' Head Wants Franchise to Appeal to Kids Like 'Star Wars'
Star Trek exec Alex Kurtzman recently confirmed that he hopes to deliver more kid-friendly stories within the franchise that will appeal to younger audiences in the ways Star Wars has similarly done.
"I go back to my childhood and Luke Skywalker, the farm boy who looks out at the twin suns of Tatooine and imagines his future. Trek never gave me that. Trek was always fully formed adults, already in Starfleet and people who have decided who they are. And it never was aspirational that way," Kurtzman shared with The Hollywood Reporter. "It's important to me to find a way to go back and reach younger kids in a way that Trek should and never really has."
That said, I would like a Trek story about a character that dreams of starfleet, and we watch them go through the academy, and finally get assigned. That's untapped potential.
That said, I would like a Trek story about a character that dreams of starfleet, and we watch them go through the academy, and finally get assigned. That's untapped potential.
That's fucking gold Cindi. Let's make it happen?!
They're already fully-formed adults, living on the Upper West Side, who have already decided who they are. How can we better make this Seinfeld reboot appeal to kids?
They're already fully-formed adults, living on the Upper West Side, who have already decided who they are. How can we better make this Seinfeld reboot appeal to kids?
Now I just want to see Seinfeld Trek
People living a boring life on earth in the 23rd century
Jerry waiting in the coffee shop and George beams into the seat and gestures with a flourish
Jerry: "Well, look at you!"
George: "Whaddya think, Jerry? Dating a transporter technician has its perks, eh?"
All of George's possessions left at her apartment suddenly beam onto the table too
George's face falls
Jerry: "Well that's a shame."
(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/1/1e/Worf1stadventure.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060317231155)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/3/39/Lineoffirecover.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060813182413)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/6/61/Survival.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20060919095002)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/0/0a/Capture_the_Flag.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20070214232724)(https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/5/56/Atlantis_Station.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180309234717)That said, I would like a Trek story about a character that dreams of starfleet, and we watch them go through the academy, and finally get assigned. That's untapped potential.
That's fucking gold Cindi. Let's make it happen?!
But...like Trek often already appeals to kids. There are tons of kids who have grown up on Trek. Hell, many of the people associated with the franchise say it. I feel like probably even Kurtzman has said it. And then they come back around to it when older and see the plots and characters and stuff underneath the sci-fi and action and space fights.
They're already fully-formed adults, living on the Upper West Side, who have already decided who they are. How can we better make this Seinfeld reboot appeal to kids?
Now I just want to see Seinfeld Trek
People living a boring life on earth in the 23rd century
Jerry waiting in the coffee shop and George beams into the seat and gestures with a flourish
Jerry: "Well, look at you!"
George: "Whaddya think, Jerry? Dating a transporter technician has its perks, eh?"
All of George's possessions left at her apartment suddenly beam onto the table too
George's face falls
Jerry: "Well that's a shame."
are any of you still bothering with discovery?
What spoilers.
Lemme guess.
More cheap fanservice.
I'm probably going to be on-board with s3+ Discovery considering [spoilers], but that makes me even more nerd-annoyed they didn't stick to canon aesthetic. :lol :maf :expertthey literally can't use that aesthetic, star trek has two separate licences, one for the classic verse (tos - enterprise) and one for the new shit, this is licensed under the new licence so they actively have to make things look at least 25% different legally
I'm probably going to be on-board with s3+ Discovery considering [spoilers], but that makes me even more nerd-annoyed they didn't stick to canon aesthetic. :lol :maf :expertthey literally can't use that aesthetic, star trek has two separate licences, one for the classic verse (tos - enterprise) and one for the new shit, this is licensed under the new licence so they actively have to make things look at least 25% different legally
Increasingly unsure how I feel about DISCOVERY. I'm just not sure where they're going with it, oddly not a feeling I had during season 1. Despite a consistently presented arc through the season, and references to Starfleet, Section 31, the Klingon empire, etc. I feel oddly disconnected from the larger picture. I can't visualize the worlds that they're claiming are at risk, because I feel like we've almost never seen them, nor even had them described except to say they're imperiled.I'm just glad that they've moved ahead of conventional canon, hopefully they dont do too much 'oh that happened with that character in the past' crap. I can pretty much safely ignore this show now.
https://youtu.be/D4LPDX6uqSM
In theatres this month. Bought tickets.
Discovery fans might have the worst fanbase in Trek. Defending a mediocre show and accusing those who don’t like it of being incapable of accepting change.You’re gonna wanna be careful with rocks, in that glass house you got there.
Discovery fans might have the worst fanbase in Trek. Defending a mediocre show and accusing those who don’t like it of being incapable of accepting change.You’re gonna wanna be careful with rocks, in that glass house you got there.
I stumbled upon a Wiki entry recently that was talking about Will Ryker having a twin, created from a teleporting mishap.
:ryker :ryker
The twin was more inexperienced and had been marooned on an abandoned base for years and the TNG episode was kinda fun to watch, since he got to act like a different character and argue with himself. Then he popped up in an episode of DS9 as a bad guy, of sorts, acting like a terrorist against the federation. And that was it.
Are there any other episodes similar to this or any good mirror universe episodes to watch if I'm not that big into ST and don't know all the backstory?
I stumbled upon a Wiki entry recently that was talking about Will Ryker having a twin, created from a teleporting mishap.It was not it. YOU BETTER READ THE BOOKS AND COMICS BUDDY. :bolo
:ryker :ryker
The twin was more inexperienced and had been marooned on an abandoned base for years and the TNG episode was kinda fun to watch, since he got to act like a different character and argue with himself. Then he popped up in an episode of DS9 as a bad guy, of sorts, acting like a terrorist against the federation. And that was it.
Are there any other episodes similar to this or any good mirror universe episodes to watch if I'm not that big into ST and don't know all the backstory?
I mean, I defended it during season 1. It was the first season. I felt people were being too harsh towards a show in its first damn season.
(https://i.imgur.com/RWTfYL5.png)It might be the fever I’m nursing at the moment, but this reads like stream-of-consciousness ramblings from someone whose the type to have just had a third protection order placed against them.
lmao calm down
Just wanted to say thanks for posting this Cindi, I was able to grab tickets. It’s rare that I see documentaries in the theater on subjects I am passionate about (I think the last one for me was I Am Not Your Negro), so it’s always a treat when I get the chance.
In theatres this month. Bought tickets.
I mean, I defended it during season 1. It was the first season. I felt people were being too harsh towards a show in its first damn season.
Season 1 was amazing
(https://i.imgur.com/9uDWq4R.png)I mean, I defended it during season 1. It was the first season. I felt people were being too harsh towards a show in its first damn season.
Season 1 was amazing
am i the only person here who loved season 2? whatevsI enjoyed it even though the quality was a little inconsistent.
DS9 movie was goodI left the theater desperately wanting the season 8 they theorycrafted in the doc.
Is that just int'l or also domestic
No one's ever really gone.
Yeah right, as if this is going to be any good, or as good as TNG. Gonna be crap
Yeah right, as if this is going to be any good, or as good as TNG. Gonna be crap
Shits on Picard which was has award winning sci-fi writer attached to it, shills Game of Thrones season 8.
Checks out.
am i the only person here who loved season 2? whatevs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn4fW0EInqw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn4fW0EInqw
I don't get this. As I said in the other thread, almost nothing regarding Star Trek's science ever made any sense whatsoever.
Did it really take them 50 years to notice? It's always been deus ex machina whenever needed.
And the science isn't the only part of Star Trek that makes zero sense. Society, all those humanoid alien species, none of it does. So what, its degree of realism is not what makes Star Trek enjoyable.
Eh, if that's the worst criticism...
Maybe it was an allusion to The Martian. I actually think there are way too few people declaring their love for science in the world of today. Especially in America.
So, after really enjoying watching Discovery with my Trekkie mate, I am hyped for Picard, but feel the need to get familiar with the source material.
How much 90s sci fi tomfoolery am I in for if I attempt to watch TNG from start to finish?
I just started S1 and the cringe factor is pretty high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tIWYtcwp2I
:aah
Star Trek Enterprise is the horniest of the treks :noah
I doubt anybody's paying half a billion for anything to do with Trek, especially Film Trek
From that article I learned that Netflix apparently paid $100 million for the streaming rights to Friends...for one year. :mindblown
https://youtu.be/E4Fp9WeN7G4
https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18682802/jj-abrams-bad-robot-warnermedia-att-apple-netflix-streaming-wars
Great news star trek fans!
it's quite the opposite, bad robot won't be making star trek for paramount anymore and hopefully then cbs/paramount/shitty star trek friends can go forward and licence this shit sensibly going forward. Either make it themselves (kek) or give it to someone like Amazon who still has something to prove, some good talent signed up and money to spend.https://www.theverge.com/2019/6/17/18682802/jj-abrams-bad-robot-warnermedia-att-apple-netflix-streaming-wars
Great news star trek fans!
How is this great news?
Trek being two different entities will never be good for the franchise
Did you forget the /s?
http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/06/new-alex-kurtzman-star-trek-updates-picard-discovery-lower-decks-more/
rip
http://trekcore.com/blog/2019/06/new-alex-kurtzman-star-trek-updates-picard-discovery-lower-decks-more/
rip
This guy has no fucking clue what makes Star Trek great. Fucker still thinks its some kid show for 6 year olds. Jesus christ
https://twitter.com/LeeBinding/status/1143463240812453888
https://twitter.com/LeeBinding/status/1143463240812453888
https://youtu.be/5SHhySoXDcA
"Find the person that seems farthest from you, and reach for them... Reach for them :brazilcry"
WTF does that even mean? :lol
could also mean grow longer arms by stretching :ryker"Find the person that seems farthest from you, and reach for them... Reach for them :brazilcry "
WTF does that even mean? :lol
Set yourself high end goals and reach over the divide to every one.
Seems pretty self explanatory. Sounds a bit trite.
7. Galaxy Quest8)
You may have noticed this list began at 13 and that there are, to date, only 12 Star Trek films. That's because Galaxy Quest made the cut. Not only did Galaxy Quest make the cut, it was listed at NUMBER TWO early in the proceedings. And what's more, Mike and Denise Okuda - the graphic designers who created the GUI on all TNG era ships - lobbied for it to be considered the best film in the franchise. These are people who started working on Trek with The Voyage Home! The film's inclusion was met with largely happy replies, although one guy seemed offended it was listed at all. Eventually the film dropped from the second spot to nestle right here, dividing the halves of the list, coming right between the movies people like and the rest of them.
saintaugust • 6 years ago:ohhh
If GALAXY QUEST can make the list, I think MASTER & COMMANDER should at least be considered. It's the best STAR TREK story that happens to not be in a STAR TREK movie.
Apparently Picard did very badly at a test show. More JJ Trek than TNG according to rumors.
The rumor comes from Gary Buechler aka Nerdrotic. Buechler notes a Star Trek insider contacted him and told him, “Kurtzman has been fired. He is refusing to give up the title but there are 3 producers who have taken over as showrunners.”
The source adds, “He has been replaced. He is refusing to lose the title but there are three other producer who are exercising his functions. He is not even allowed on set. He has been Orci’ed.” (Ed. note: :lol)
...
However, Buechler’s insider notes the show is not screening well. His insider tells him the show has “75 to 80% negativity. The 20% who tested positive were people who labeled themselves Abrams fans like it.”
Because they fucking suck. >:( :punchNo u.
Lemme guess: they’re all racist MRA’s, right?
Why against Disco s1 haters? Btw that means nothing. I liked s1 of Disco and think s2 was rabid feces.
Why against Disco s1 haters? Btw that means nothing. I liked s1 of Disco and think s2 was rabid feces.
Why did you like s1 and not s2?
Just people who haven't watched Enterprise anytime recently.
Enterprise had Shran. :rejoice
https://www.startrek.com/news/every-star-trek-character-played-jeffrey-combs-ranked
https://www.startrek.com/news/every-star-trek-character-played-jeffrey-combs-rankedarticle makes a good point, GOG needs to save the Elite Force and Armada games from the memory hole
I know I'm new to this trekkie thing but nothing about that looks like what I'd want, unsurprisingly.
When 7 of 9 showed up I couldn't help but get extreme cringe bumps.
HighlandPhoenix
3 hours ago
Where's the 'Tea. Earl grey. Hot.'?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbXy0f0aCN0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbXy0f0aCN0
Brent Spiner's makeup is working extra hard in the clip.
but this old man needs to be the captain why exactly?Well let me tell you something. Don't! Don't let them promote you. Don't let them transfer you. Don't let them do anything that takes you off the bridge of that ship, because while you're there... you can make a difference.
found this on a totally hot twitter account and it probably was already in this thread but needs to be posted again anyway: http://www.memory-prime.de/barbecue/
Interesting theory.
https://old.reddit.com/r/DaystromInstitute/comments/cg85zf/regarding_the_the_new_star_trek_picard_trailer_i/
Brent Spiner Says Data Is A “Story Point” For ‘Star Trek: Picard’
Data is back, but not every episode
Speaking to the Las Vegas Review Journal promoting his upcoming appearance (and concert) at Star Trek Las Vegas this week, Brent Spiner also talked a bit about his appearance in Star Trek: Picard:
Data makes appearances in the show, I can say that. And Data is a story point in this season as well. But I’m not in every episode. I’m not a major character on the show.
According to the article, Spiner has read all the scripts for the first season of the show, describing them as “excellent.” The actor also offered this assessment of Picard:
I think people will be really, really excited about it, because it’s a great story.
Spiner’s comments to the LVRJ also confirm Spiner is appearing as Data, and not another Soong-type android, like B-4, who Spiner has suggested appears in the trailer as the non-functional android seen in a Starfleet lab. Spiner has also made clear that Data died in Star Trek Nemesis. This has led to speculation that Data’s appearances in Picard will be different than other returning characters like Seven (Jeri Ryan) and Hugh (Jonathan Del Arco).
They know how to make multiple Datas now. The tech exists. Why are star ships not filled with hundreds of them?
Though I guess at that point cut out the middle man and just make the entire ship one big AI, which it basically is anyways...
What do you mean they know how to make data's?Due to Data's work creating Lal, Starfleet has the knowledge and ability to make Soong-type androids.
They know how to make multiple Datas now. The tech exists. Why are star ships not filled with hundreds of them?
Though I guess at that point cut out the middle man and just make the entire ship one big AI, which it basically is anyways...
I don’t like this because now Data isn’t Data. He’s just one of many Data’s. Making more than one Data goes against his personhood.
It sounds like the Data in Picard will not be actual Data in their present time but seen in flashbacks/Picard's thoughts.
Or Star Trek Nemesis was just a bad dream.
It seems like this whole thing is basically Picard blaming himself for Data's death, becoming disillusioned with Starfleet and/or losing confidence in his ability to command (he sees himself as a totally different man that wasn't worthy of Captain Picard Day or whatever), and then whatever is going on with this girl is important enough that he wants to help her and atone for his past sins ("Completing this mission is what Data would have expected from Captain Picard" or some shit is bound to be said).
Kinda generic but if it leads to good character moments then it'll be okay.
It seems like this whole thing is basically Picard blaming himself for Data's death, becoming disillusioned with Starfleet and/or losing confidence in his ability to command (he sees himself as a totally different man that wasn't worthy of Captain Picard Day or whatever), and then whatever is going on with this girl is important enough that he wants to help her and atone for his past sins ("Completing this mission is what Data would have expected from Captain Picard" or some shit is bound to be said).
Kinda generic but if it leads to good character moments then it'll be okay.
Quoting myself but just realized this means Picard didn't give a shit about Tasha Yar cause he didn't skip a beat after that ho died :lol
The only bad dream of dubious canonical status is Star Trek V.Worth it alone just for
Of course, did she even play a single card game with him?
Of course, did she even play a single card game with him?
Picard didn't play a card game with any of those fuccbois until the last episode, what an aloof dick.
The only bad dream of dubious canonical status is Star Trek V.Worth it alone just for
"What does God need with a starship?" :hmm
It seems like this whole thing is basically Picard blaming himself for Data's death, becoming disillusioned with Starfleet and/or losing confidence in his ability to command (he sees himself as a totally different man that wasn't worthy of Captain Picard Day or whatever), and then whatever is going on with this girl is important enough that he wants to help her and atone for his past sins ("Completing this mission is what Data would have expected from Captain Picard" or some shit is bound to be said).
Kinda generic but if it leads to good character moments then it'll be okay.
Not just a Borg, the first ever BORG KINGBut he's already an android, so cyborging that shit makes him even more than Borg -- THE BORGER KING.
They cant keep getting away with it :goldberg
:lol
Fuck these producers, no clue what Star Trek should be about
:lol
Fuck these producers, no clue what Star Trek should be about
It's pretty clear to me we're heading straight into another Star Trek "crash" and we'll probably go ten years without anything except comics and videogames in the (Prime) series, just like after Enterprise was cancelled. Calling it now. Trek is like Ghostbusters in that there really isn't a ton of profit incentive there, so the big boys are going to ignore it, and an effects-heavy show is always going to need some kind of budget these days.
Further predictions: Discovery won't make it past season 3, the Section 31 show will bomb, Picard will do OK but I see it as more a limited series than an ongoing show? Stewart isn't going to want to do it forever.
CBS's non-ST shows will be ignored and die, CBS All Access will shutter, and CBS will go back to schlepping their wares on Netflix and Hulu or whatever package seems popular when this goes down.
I’d rather watch Star Trek V than most Nu-Trek tbh
Agreed. Just let Star Trek die.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Koxkg7C216c
I’d rather watch Star Trek V than most Nu-Trek tbh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbLWDbC1grE
tl;dr CBS could have made actual trek but didn't.
tl;dr CBS could have made actual trek but didn't.
So...? :dunno
"Real Trek" to me is a Star Trek TV show in the model of TOS/TNG/ENT/DS9.
We already know CBS could have been making that all along. Where is the controversy?
"Real Trek" to me is a Star Trek TV show in the model of TOS/TNG/ENT/DS9.
We already know CBS could have been making that all along. Where is the controversy?
Didn't this happen to Metroid too? :lol
Fusion hit and literally anyone who touched Metroid after that was like "Yeeeaaaahhh it would be neat to explore Samus, her new status, and how things have changed in this universe... but that seems like a lot of work. Hey look everyone, Ridley and Mother Brain!!" [crowd applauds]
More fuckery with the star trek license is the toy rights, Hasbro owns the pre-existing stuff currently and when CBS wanted to have them make Discovery toys they said fuck right off this shit wont sell, McFarlane picked up the licences going forward - discovery new movies etc and it's believed (no evidence) Hasbro didnt like the idea of having competing toys so told them to make theirs different, hence the different looks. Hasbro was right, new shit doesnt sell at all :lol
Did anyone watch the DS9 documentary? I haven't as of yet but they pitched a S8 for DS9 and it sounded interesting as fuck.spoiler (click to show/hide)What could have been. :'([close]
Let's wait till disney buys CBS :goldberg :yuckMore fuckery with the star trek license is the toy rights, Hasbro owns the pre-existing stuff currently and when CBS wanted to have them make Discovery toys they said fuck right off this shit wont sell, McFarlane picked up the licences going forward - discovery new movies etc and it's believed (no evidence) Hasbro didnt like the idea of having competing toys so told them to make theirs different, hence the different looks. Hasbro was right, new shit doesnt sell at all :lol
Still waiting for Star Trek Legos.
Let's wait till disney buys CBS :goldberg :yuckMore fuckery with the star trek license is the toy rights, Hasbro owns the pre-existing stuff currently and when CBS wanted to have them make Discovery toys they said fuck right off this shit wont sell, McFarlane picked up the licences going forward - discovery new movies etc and it's believed (no evidence) Hasbro didnt like the idea of having competing toys so told them to make theirs different, hence the different looks. Hasbro was right, new shit doesnt sell at all :lol
Still waiting for Star Trek Legos.
Let's wait till disney buys CBS :goldberg :yuckMore fuckery with the star trek license is the toy rights, Hasbro owns the pre-existing stuff currently and when CBS wanted to have them make Discovery toys they said fuck right off this shit wont sell, McFarlane picked up the licences going forward - discovery new movies etc and it's believed (no evidence) Hasbro didnt like the idea of having competing toys so told them to make theirs different, hence the different looks. Hasbro was right, new shit doesnt sell at all :lol
Still waiting for Star Trek Legos.
If anything it would need to be Warner Bros...
Arent Warner Bros selling DC comics or some shit? I recall a casual conversation with someone to the effect.
I would kill for Lego Star Trek games. :tocry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbLWDbC1grE
:confused
another goddamn 30 minute youtube video:nerds
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGK7i8XCis
thanks guys, now this dumbfuck is my recommends
idk man, I'd rather have 1 hour movie reviews and character analysis videos by Aleczandxr than go back to 10 minute pewdiepie meme videos.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LGK7i8XCis
thanks guys, now this dumbfuck is my recommends
As CBS All Access heads towards launching the much hyped Star Trek: Picard next year, the Trekverse may now be poised for an intensified expansion. Already in the pipeline are multiple animated series, more short films, and a Michelle Yeoh-led Discovery spinoff, and at Comic-Con International the Trek braintrust :brain was openly hinting about the possibilities of a Mr Spock series starring Ethan Peck (grandson of Gregory Peck).
The challenge will be creating a wider pantheon of recognizable characters that goes beyond the familiar core of Picard, Spock, Kirk, Dr. McCoy, Lt. Uhura, Lt. Commander Data, Lt. Commander Worf, and about a dozen others.
Saw a video about Lower Decks animated Star Trek series centered around cadets/enlisted on a non important ship, was kind excited until I found out it is basically done by Rick & Morty people. :brain
Saw a video about Lower Decks animated Star Trek series centered around cadets/enlisted on a non important ship, was kind excited until I found out it is basically done by Rick & Morty people. :brain
Watched the DS9 documentary, and am I alone in thinking it kinda sucked? I loved the whole S8 first episode pitch, and liked some of the ideas they had like reading bad reactions to DS9 and all that. But it felt a little to wanking themselves off to me, more so than most "we made this special thing" documentaries.
What if instead of a lot of shitty Trek, they made one good Trek? :thinking
Its comfy af. I am changing my favorite Captain to Kirk though.
Cardassians in DS9. :rejoice
Cardassians in DS9. :rejoice
Cardassians in general :rejoice
There wasn’t a single bad Cardassians episode in TNG. If it wasn’t good it was at least decent. Between Chain of Command, Ensign Ro, The Wounded they were master class episodes.
There was that one obnoxious Cardassian on Voyager though
I think Gul Dukat played a different cardassian on TNG right?
Insurrections pretty bad though :-\
Section 31 is kind of stretching how assholishearthgovthe federation can get while still being the federation, teaming up with mustache twirling pantomime villain F. Muray Abraham to steal a planets immortality potion is borderline an Asterix plot
Watched The Motion Picture and The Search for Spock on Amazon Prime this weekend. Both movies are flawed, but kinda cool in their own way. Also TSFP is the only time a middle-aged William Shatner beating up Doc Brown could ever count as an action scene.
Watched The Motion Picture and The Search for Spock on Amazon Prime this weekend. Both movies are flawed, but kinda cool in their own way. Also TSFP is the only time a middle-aged William Shatner beating up Doc Brown could ever count as an action scene.
I really like The Search for Spock.
Also I need order the Directors Edition of Motion Picture on dvd. I hear it's much better than regular TMP.
Star Fleet are somewhat unique in scifi as being idealistic and utopian; even where they're doing shady shit (eg Section 31) theres plausible deniability, and the implication is that most federation citizens would lose their shit if they ever found out about it as a complete betrayal of everything they stand for.
F Murray Abraham - apart from being fucking great in general - is a proper cartoon super villain in Insurrection. Like, you could take that character and have him ranting at Captain Planet, or working for Cobra Commander without skipping a beat. It's not subtle because it's not meant to be subtle. He's A Bad Guy. It's pretty clear to the audience right up front.
So hinging the entire plot on the federations willingness to team up with A Bad Guy to displace a settlement and steal their resources, isn't exactly a moral dilemma, like many of the episodes dealing with the nuance of things like the Prime Directive in theory versus testing those ideal in practice do. They're working with the Bad Guy. They're complicit in what the Bad Guy does.
e: I mean, I don't much like First Contact either :trumps
The only good Wesley episode is The First Duty.
I mean, that clip in a nutshell is the big flaw, and why its not really an ethical dilemma: starfleet man just goes "oh, yeah, well it would conflict with the prime directive, but that doesn't count because they weren't born there".
The Prime Directive is about not fucking about with another culture. Definitely not because they have assets you fancy grabbing and want to rationalise it. Definitely definitely definitely not pre-warp cultures.
Their plan is a straight up violation, in both 'spirit' and 'letter' of the law, and Picard is 100% in the right to call it out as such.
e: I mean, I don't much like First Contact either :trumps
We're talking about the same Federation that used Odo to send a disease to the shapeshifters. :yeshrug
We're talking about the same Federation that used Odo to send a disease to the shapeshifters. :yeshrug
Yeah, but that's Section 31, and when people find out about it they're fucking appalled by it - its why... Sloane, is it? gives his big speech to Bashir that he knows he's a monster doing terrible things, but he does it in secret so the rest of the Federation can live up to their own ideals.
I can buy into that as a realpolitik extension of federation ideals of 'playing fair' when most of the rest of the universe don't, and you've got things like romulan fuckery going all the way back to TOS.
It's just a step too far to me to have actual Federation going "Oh, hey, this planet has space oil, and we're teaming up with space-Halliburton to relocate them all when they're asleep. It's fine, we ran it through the lawyers and theres a loophole, because they weren't actually born there. We still cool though, right jean-luc?".
Rewatched Galileo Seven.
Watched Star Trek Insurrection. Haven't seen it since it came out.Some things you might want to check out:
I really liked it. Felt like another TNG episode. Helps a lot that some of my favorite episodes are first contact episodes.
half of First Contact's greatness is the stuff that happens on the planet at the same time, it's fucking brilliant movie making
Having a local leader/coordinator (there are multiple Borg Queens) for a hive makes sense and is rooted in nature.
It may be a disagreeable narrative decision, but I wouldn't say it completely clashes with the Borg concept as we knew it pre-First Contact.
I don't agree with this at all. The Borg are completely unlike insect drones. They have a collective mind that can use its individual biological components like drones, but each individual part adds to the collective consciousness.
Having an imperfect, narrow minded and flawed individual with personal ambition acting as queen is idiotic and makes no sense. A collective striving for perfection would get rid of this flaw instantly.
is idiotic and makes no sense
Janeway is such an awful captain.
Alien Vs Predator Vs Borg
Admiral Janeway :jeb
Alien Vs Predator Vs Borg
I...would see this. How can we make this happen? :obama
Okay, just watched the one where a hirogen and species super-8 are on the ship, and to save the ship Seven disobeys Janeways orders, and then takes a massive verbal-shit on Janeway about it. I wasn’t too keen about Seven at first, but she’s starting to grow on me.
Now I can’t wait for the show to later nonsensically turn things around and make it out as Janeway somehow being in the right there.
The thing that annoys me is Mulgrew is a really good actorShe's amazing in NTSF:SD:SUV.
Finished Voyager. Been stupid busy lately and am still collecting my thoughts on the show overall, but for now I’ll just say that I have some opinions about this show.if they are positive keep them to yourself!
Aron Eisenberg, who played Nog in Deep Space Nine, passed away. :tocry
(https://i.imgur.com/KhCSD6s.jpg)Hahahahaah holy fuckspoiler (click to show/hide)(https://i.imgur.com/pXkj5Vn.jpg)[close]
the promo for that episode is one of the best considering what actually happens in it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzFCBZCv85E
(https://i.imgur.com/7EYvN7r.jpg)Goddamn I just now realized what that picture was showing. Lol that’s fucking dark, that could almost fall under bad vibes.
:brazilcry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0
he's fucking whitehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0
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I don't get it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnlxugk3Qb0
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/rfqAkUXKT5Y/maxresdefault.jpg)
I don't get it.
...but steels heavier than feathers?
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Paramount Pictures is in final talks with Noah Hawley to write and direct a Star Trek film. Through his 26 Keys production banner he will produce along with JJ Abrams and his Bad Robot banner. I don’t have too much more to report on the film, but my understanding is Hawley will helm the fourth film in this iteration of the venerable franchise, with the Enterprise crew led by Chris Pine, Zachary Quinto, Zoe Saldana, Simon Pegg and Karl Urban.
In addition to his groundbreaking series Legion, Hawley serves as executive producer, writer, director and showrunner on FX’s Emmy-winning limited series Fargo.
The studio separately is working on a Star Trek spinoff that Quentin Tarantino is eyeing to direct and has been working on with Abrams. This one would likely carry an R rating, with a screenplay by The Revenant scribe Mark L. Smith.
It's from a webisode, not the main TV series.
It's from a webisode, not the main TV series.
On November 19th, Variety confirmed that Star Trek 4 is back in development, under the helm of writer/director Noah Hawley. However, this is but the most recent of several different iterations of Star Trek 4, a movie which was first announced more than three years ago. Could it actually move forward and happen this time, or are there still hurdles to overcome?
As you are about to find out, there are.
In this video, we will first look back at the earlier iterations of the proposed 4th Kelvin Star Trek movie, and why none of them made it to the big screen. Then we’ll see how Noah Hawley’s Star Trek 4 has to overcome the very same hurdles that sunk those, and how the imminent re-merger between Viacom and CBS plays into all of this.
Voyager's only interesting character is the doctor.
the only klingon thing about her is that she's vaguely pissed about something all the time :lol
Where no man has shilled before. :rykerMan they really don't care about the Prime Directive do they.
After a bit of searching, we were able to track down Pat Letsos – a senior marketing director at Boole & Babbage during the time this video was produced – and she took the time to speak with us about how this commercial came to be, how Jonathan Frakes got nabbed for the role, and the big question everybody asks: how much did this thing cost!?
https://io9.gizmodo.com/in-a-new-look-at-star-trek-picard-jean-lucs-a-man-on-1840555153
Long-haired vulcan with a samurai sword, Seven o' Ninetails full-on Halo 2 dual wielding PEW PEW, and chosen one girl who is almost certainly half-Borg or something doing Black Widow flips and shit...
No "spaceship hands" yet but a lot of Dominion-level space battle clusterfuckery, that's what I'm reminded of when I hear the name "Picard."
Trek is just as dead as Wars.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/in-a-new-look-at-star-trek-picard-jean-lucs-a-man-on-1840555153
Long-haired vulcan with a samurai sword, Seven o' Ninetails full-on Halo 2 dual wielding PEW PEW, and chosen one girl who is almost certainly half-Borg or something doing Black Widow flips and shit...
No "spaceship hands" yet but a lot of Dominion-level space battle clusterfuckery, that's what I'm reminded of when I hear the name "Picard."
Trek is just as dead as Wars.
https://io9.gizmodo.com/in-a-new-look-at-star-trek-picard-jean-lucs-a-man-on-1840555153
Long-haired vulcan with a samurai sword, Seven o' Ninetails full-on Halo 2 dual wielding PEW PEW, and chosen one girl who is almost certainly half-Borg or something doing Black Widow flips and shit...
No "spaceship hands" yet but a lot of Dominion-level space battle clusterfuckery, that's what I'm reminded of when I hear the name "Picard."
Trek is just as dead as Wars.
Profit & Lace : So bad :quark
But even with such terrible episodes, DS9 is more engaging on virtue of its characters than Voyager.
It's named after Pike in Star Trek TOS.
I know, but I'm not sure I saw what he did on Talos IV merited an award to his name.wow you just gonna ignore the rest of his storied and decorated career just for the one time he got a whole planet declared off limits
I know, but I'm not sure I saw what he did on Talos IV merited an award to his name.wow you just gonna ignore the rest of his storied and decorated career just for the one time he got a whole planet declared off limits
Where are you at right now?
Oh man somehow, despite being familiar with Andrew Robinson as an actor it only just hit me that he was Scorpio. :lol:ohhh
I personally love the Bajor-Cardassian conflict. It's my favorite storyline in Trek.
Oh wow they literally went Chariot of the Gods with First Nations people.
:brain :rethread
Oh wow they literally went Chariot of the Gods with First Nations people.
:brain :rethread
The 90's were very socially progressive despite what people say. :doge
The next Star Trek film is in some sort of development hell. It'll be pretty funny if they did another reboot.It's because they continue to believe Star Trek can be a blockbuster tentpole tier franchise instead of something they need to cut the budgets on down to at most $100 million and expectations on it to simply target a decent quarter billion box office. Star Trek II, the most important event in the franchise, one of the most beloved and best profitable films, Nicholas Meyer WAS ABLE TO BUILD IN A CAVE... with a box of scraps.
That's a total fridge thought but considering DS9 does touch on colonialism I wondered if it factored in the casting of Siddig El Fadil as Bashir. The character sort of has that vibe of the perfect Anglo-Indian (or "Anglo-Egyptian" I guess would be more appropriate here) subject and the writing in the initial bouts of the series sorta plays on that, as well as the later big character reveal of his parents being quite pushy for him to overachieve academically speaking.Bashir was supposed to be hispanic, but Siddig auditioned for Sisko and they liked him and asked him to be Bashir. Trek has a long history of someone auditioning for another part and getting a different one and going onto success with it. Andrew Robinson auditioned for Odo. Tim Russ auditioned for a ton of roles, including Geordi, before finally getting Tuvok. Those are just the ones I remember. I think on one of the shows the females auditioned for the others part and got switched. Might have been TNG?
Maybe just an happy accident of a diverse cast.
To delve into what really happened on the set of Galaxy Quest and beyond, The Hollywood Reporter spoke with director Dean Parisot, producer Mark Johnson and stars Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver, Sam Rockwell, Tony Shalhoub, Justin Long, Daryl “Chill” Mitchell, Enrico Colantoni and Missi Pyle, who reflect on the film’s legacy and future.:american
My bet is they jump to their own version of TNG. There seems to be more enthusiasm for TNG than the OT nowadays so from a business standpoint that's the thing they'll choose to reboot.
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/dreamworks-screwed-up-why-galaxy-quest-wasnt-a-bigger-hit-1264866QuoteTo delve into what really happened on the set of Galaxy Quest and beyond, The Hollywood Reporter spoke with director Dean Parisot, producer Mark Johnson and stars Tim Allen, Sigourney Weaver, Sam Rockwell, Tony Shalhoub, Justin Long, Daryl “Chill” Mitchell, Enrico Colantoni and Missi Pyle, who reflect on the film’s legacy and future.:american
Except that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
QuoteExcept that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
Not sure if this is better or worse than Tuvix. Tuvix makes me madder but this one is literally the worst idea for a Trek episode of all time, including the racist ones.
I'm on the tail end of Voyager S2 and it's getting... Better ? At least better bottle episodes.
Except that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
The Thaw is straight up TOS style garbage. I don't know if I like it or not.
QuoteExcept that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
Not sure if this is better or worse than Tuvix. Tuvix makes me madder but this one is literally the worst idea for a Trek episode of all time, including the racist ones.
Why doesn't anyone talk about ENTERPRISE though? I mean, seriously, out of nowhere, the final season of that is some of the best Trek to have ever Trekked.
Why doesn't anyone talk about ENTERPRISE though? I mean, seriously, out of nowhere, the final season of that is some of the best Trek to have ever Trekked.
QuoteExcept that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
Not sure if this is better or worse than Tuvix. Tuvix makes me madder but this one is literally the worst idea for a Trek episode of all time, including the racist ones.
JANEWAY MURDERED TUVIX
QuoteExcept that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
Not sure if this is better or worse than Tuvix. Tuvix makes me madder but this one is literally the worst idea for a Trek episode of all time, including the racist ones.
JANEWAY MURDERED TUVIX
Sadly we never had such a transporter fuck up in TOS that would have resulted in Captain Kock.
QuoteExcept that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
Not sure if this is better or worse than Tuvix. Tuvix makes me madder but this one is literally the worst idea for a Trek episode of all time, including the racist ones.
JANEWAY MURDERED TUVIX
Sadly we never had such a transporter fuck up in TOS that would have resulted in Captain Kock.
(https://i.imgur.com/wFiQmR4.gif)spoiler (click to show/hide)Captain Kick on the other hand sounds like a really lame superhero.[close]
Tuvix is a pretty good episode, simple premise but hard dilemma. I'm a bit dumbfounded people are reacting so strongly to it though. It's not the first time a Captain make a questionable decision, Sisko ethnic cleansed a whole planet to settle a score and Picard could get a bit flip floppy on Prime Directive even. The episode is clear of how cold and morally dubious the decision is though it's true the writers ducked out of having Tuvok and Neelix commenting on the situation. I guess some of the audience being disgusted with the plot resolution is proof the writing was efficient. That bridge scene at the end is a bit of a gut punch.
QuoteExcept that episode where Janeway and Paris evolve into lizards.
Not sure if this is better or worse than Tuvix. Tuvix makes me madder but this one is literally the worst idea for a Trek episode of all time, including the racist ones.
JANEWAY MURDERED TUVIX
Sadly we never had such a transporter fuck up in TOS that would have resulted in Captain Kock.
(https://i.imgur.com/wFiQmR4.gif)spoiler (click to show/hide)Captain Kick on the other hand sounds like a really lame superhero.[close]
Captain Spick :yikes
Tuvix is a pretty good episode, simple premise but hard dilemma. I'm a bit dumbfounded people are reacting so strongly to it though. It's not the first time a Captain make a questionable decision, Sisko ethnic cleansed a whole planet to settle a score and Picard could get a bit flip floppy on Prime Directive even. The episode is clear of how cold and morally dubious the decision is though it's true the writers ducked out of having Tuvok and Neelix commenting on the situation. I guess some of the audience being disgusted with the plot resolution is proof the writing was efficient. That bridge scene at the end is a bit of a gut punch.
JANEWAY TOOK TUVIX WITH ARMED GUARD AND KILLED HIM AS HE BEGGED FOR LIFE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT
I cant find a clip but I hate the way Janeway applied the precedure. Not one word despite someone crying that they don't want to die. Just a mean face. No comfort. Just force.
Truly the worst captain. God I hate her.
Tuvix is a pretty good episode, simple premise but hard dilemma. I'm a bit dumbfounded people are reacting so strongly to it though. It's not the first time a Captain make a questionable decision, Sisko ethnic cleansed a whole planet to settle a score and Picard could get a bit flip floppy on Prime Directive even. The episode is clear of how cold and morally dubious the decision is though it's true the writers ducked out of having Tuvok and Neelix commenting on the situation. I guess some of the audience being disgusted with the plot resolution is proof the writing was efficient. That bridge scene at the end is a bit of a gut punch.
JANEWAY TOOK TUVIX WITH ARMED GUARD AND KILLED HIM AS HE BEGGED FOR LIFE IN FRONT OF EVERYONE
WTF ARE YOU TALKING ABOUTI cant find a clip but I hate the way Janeway applied the precedure. Not one word despite someone crying that they don't want to die. Just a mean face. No comfort. Just force.
Truly the worst captain. God I hate her.
I felt it was portrayed for what it is. It's cold, there's no compassion and the whole crew is rolling with it though everyone know it's a bit of shitting the bed too. The Doctor making it clear it violated his oath is a big indictment. It does lack an epilogue (from Tuvok, probably) maybe.
The crew going from loving Tuvix to being quiet while under armed guard MADE NO SENSE
There is not one single shred of natural escalation.
Episode is AWFUL.
The crew going from loving Tuvix to being quiet while under armed guard MADE NO SENSE
There is not one single shred of natural escalation.
Episode is AWFUL.
Someone on Reddit mentioned that Kes was mostly the onscreen surrogate for that. I never got the impression the crew loved him. They warm up to him in the absence of an alternative and they like him, but it's not hard to imagine that most people would rather have Tuvok and Neelix, that they have known for quite some time. Tuvix and Janeway ("When did it stop being a Teleport accident and began being a person") gives all of the expected toolset in dialogue for the audience to grok at it.
To be honest, a "compassionate" procedure might have been softpedaling the decision and a bit hypocritical. The cruel ending does underline the diddiculty of the decision, I think.
:yeshrug
Oh no, did Ensign Kim get captured by a RAPE GANG ?Just you wait until you see what kind of trouble Ensign Kim gets himself into with ladies in the Delta Quadrant.
:existential
Oh no, did Ensign Kim get captured by a RAPE GANG ?Just you wait until you see what kind of trouble Ensign Kim gets himself into with ladies in the Delta Quadrant.
:existential
Those eps are good!!! :maf
Isn't the way warp works in the trekverse is that the nacelles hold the warp cores, and the warp cores create a bubble that lets anything inside it go to / stay at warp?
Because thats why you cant have a fire fight in warp. Because anything outside of the warp field isn't capable of warp speeds. So you're just spaffing phasers and shit into yourself the second they leave the warp bubble.
Like using a water pistol into a strong wind.
Yup. The s4 showrunners were allowed free reign, and it kicked ass. And then Berman and his lackeys came back and said, "You know what would make a great ENT finale? A half-assed TNG episode!"Why doesn't anyone talk about ENTERPRISE though? I mean, seriously, out of nowhere, the final season of that is some of the best Trek to have ever Trekked.
And then the series finale took a big ol' dump on all of it
Even as someone 100% on board with JJ Trek after the first movie... even I couldn't stomach Into Darkness. And I may have walked out of the theater thinking it was passable if they didn't pull that stupid fucking Kirk death fakeout and introduce Khan's Magic Super Blood to immediately undo it. (Super Blood that is never mentioned again, ever, even though it apparently cures 100% of the extremely aggressive cancer caused by being inside a warp core.)Yeah, that's one of the things I meant when I talked about JJ Abrams not really thinking things through about what he's breaking, and making the whole fiction more thin and less believable by his flippancy.
Then they're just like "Hey, tribbles!" and I'm just like "Hey, fuck off!"
Into Darkness does have one of my favorite scenes though, although it actually works best outside the movie with no context.Even though I knew it was coming, Robocop's ship coming up in warp with a Deeper Bass Evil Warp™ made me laugh again. Also the fact that they had her run all the way to the bridge but cut out the trip anyway so she still gets there within ten seconds.
I'm hesitating on starting ENT before finishing Voyager (not that I'm very invested... It's borderline background noise for me.).Don't, finish Voyager. You'll regret introducing Enterprise into the mix.
Deeper Bass Evil Warp™
which one was it? Nemesis with Chakotay? I remember that one as seemingly good until it's revealed and then the plot goes completely into the tank
every movie after first contact had them trying their hardest to blow up or wreck the enterprise
meanwhile i'm over here demanding more separations of the saucer section :maf
Gene Roddenberry would have preferred if, in Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, the Enterprise's saucer section had been blown up, rather than (as happens in the film) the entire ship. "If the saucer had been blown up, at the end of the picture," speculated Roddenberry, "we [could have] had a new saucer come down and reunite the two. Symbolic of the end of the story. They preferred to do it the other way." (The Making of the Trek Films, 3rd ed., p. 47)
Saucer separation was planned as a regular feature during the early days of Star Trek: The Next Generation. Several story lines, including a B-plot for "When The Bough Breaks", were to use saucer separation. (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion) However, budget limitations at the time did not allow for extensive footage of the separated components to be shot, and it was also felt that separation slowed the progress of the story. (Star Trek Encyclopedia) Unfortunately, this meant that the Enterprise was sent into a number of dangerous situations with saucer separation never being mentioned as an option.
The Enterprise-D saucer landing sequence was conceived in 1991 for the Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual. Writers Ronald D. Moore, Brannon Braga, and Jeri Taylor were inspired by that information and wanted to use a crash as a cliffhanger for the sixth season of TNG, but producer Michael Piller did not like the idea. Furthermore, it would have been too costly to film on a television budget with the VFX technology available at the time. Moore and Braga later wrote the scene into Generations. (Star Trek: The Next Generation Companion, The Art of Star Trek)
Vulcan neck pinch, apparently more universal than medical knowledge among all species.
Vulcan neck pinch, apparently more universal than medical knowledge among all species.
It's speculated that Vulcans have an energy they focus for that, not a nerve location, per se. That's why McCoy can't make it work in The Search for Spock; he's using the correct move, but humans don't have the correct energy.
:brain
I'd tell you to go ahead and watch the films inbetween if you want to, but ideally we'd be here trying to prevent you from having how Enterprise ends as the last Trek taste in your mouth for almost five years.
To be honest I don't find Neelix that terrible so far. He's not good but it's rare he's so omnipresent as to ruin episodes. But I'm already foggy on what happened in S1 when he was probably at peak presence.
Vulcan neck pinch, apparently more universal than medical knowledge among all species.
It's speculated that Vulcans have an energy they focus for that, not a nerve location, per se. That's why McCoy can't make it work in The Search for Spock; he's using the correct move, but humans don't have the correct energy.
:brain
Is that the same movie where Spock's soul gets transferred and reincarnated?
Vulcan neck pinch, apparently more universal than medical knowledge among all species.
It's speculated that Vulcans have an energy they focus for that, not a nerve location, per se. That's why McCoy can't make it work in The Search for Spock; he's using the correct move, but humans don't have the correct energy.
:brain
Is that the same movie where Spock's soul gets transferred and reincarnated?
...Yes.
:picard
Star Trek Voyager "Vis à Vis"spoiler (click to show/hide)Tom Paris so bland it takes days for his closest friends to notice he's not himself.[close]
O'Brien was killed later in 2371, after becoming infected with delta-series radioisotopes following an accident aboard the station. This, coupled with the presence of a cloaked Romulan Warbird nearby, had the effect of shifting him forward in time by several hours. His death occurred when he deliberately contaminated himself further in order to determine the exact cause of events he had witnessed. He was 'replaced' by his counterpart from the timeline he visited. Thus, events that occurred to O'Brien from this point on involved the future version, rather than the "original". (DS9: "Visionary")https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Miles_O%27Brien
How is it possible to go through 4 seasons of Voyager in a week?
Uh, no
Uh, no
“The Next Generation” presented a humanist future in which issues like poverty, race and class have long been sorted out, and conflicts are more often resolved through negotiation and problem-solving than at the point of a phaser pistol.[/size]Stewart had no desire to go there again.
[/size]“I think what we’re trying to say is important,” he says. “The world of ‘Next Generation’ doesn’t exist anymore. It’s different. Nothing is really safe. Nothing is really secure.”
I just want TNG/Voy/DS9 era Trek, The Orville without the fart jokes.spoiler (click to show/hide)Well I still have The Orville but the rumor is the 3rd season might be the last. :fbm[close]
“Picard” finds its hero living in near-isolation on a very un-cosmic French vineyard. He is retired and estranged from Starfleet, the interstellar navy to which he devoted most of his life. He’s haunted by a pair of catastrophes, one personal, the other societal — the death of his android colleague Lt. Cmdr. Data (as seen in “Nemesis”) and a refugee crisis spawned by the destruction of the planet Romulus (as seen in Abrams’ “Star Trek”). When those two seemingly disparate strands of his life cross, Picard returns to action, this time without the backing of a Starfleet whose moral center has shifted.
How the fuck does this even work timeline wise.
“In a way, the world of ‘Next Generation’ had been too perfect and too protected,” he says. “It was the Enterprise. It was a safe world of respect and communication and care and, sometimes, fun.” In “Picard,” the Federation — a union of planets bonded by shared democratic values — has taken an isolationist turn. The new show, Stewart says, “was me responding to the world of Brexit and Trump and feeling, ‘Why hasn’t the Federation changed? Why hasn’t Starfleet changed?’ Maybe they’re not as reliable and trustworthy as we all thought.”
Holy fuck :dead
JANEWAY MURDERED GARBAGE TRUCK DRIVER
JANEWAY MURDERED GARBAGE TRUCK DRIVER
Explain this reference to me? Been a while
tom paris is lame as hell
Tom Paris is the most boring "renegade" character I've ever seen. What a total bore.
Quote"By any definition"? An odd statement, considering there are several definitions by which it doesn't fit.QuoteIn Star Trek, almost everything that happens revolves around military officers. Military officers doubling as explorers, but military officers all the same. An unintended consequence of this is creating the (almost certainly unintentional) impression that the supposedly utopian Federation is a military society. For example, in the Deep Space Nine episode "Paradise Lost," there is an attempted military coup, which has no trouble with civilian resistance, but instead is only opposed by the good military officers. Why don't more people inside the Trek-verse notice this?Massive glorification of the military is a common theme in communist regimes. And the Federation is, by any definition, a communist regime.
tom paris is lame as hellTom Paris is the most boring "renegade" character I've ever seen. What a total bore.
captain proton episodes :holeup
I was a bit let down by Equinox, which is part of many lists of the best Voyager episodes. It's a good premise but the conclusion is really dealt in a hurry, I didn't like the moral escape hatch for the antagonist (and most of the ethical issues really). Janeway is so blatantly hypocritical it's hard to take it seriously... And the script glazes over that also anyway.
Wait a minute : Tom Paris is a discount, stale, William Riker... And the Equinox second in command is a discount, stale (no offence meant to Titus Welliver), Tom Paris ?
:mindblown
I was a bit let down by Equinox, which is part of many lists of the best Voyager episodes. It's a good premise but the conclusion is really dealt in a hurry, I didn't like the moral escape hatch for the antagonist (and most of the ethical issues really). Janeway is so blatantly hypocritical it's hard to take it seriously... And the script glazes over that also anyway.
Star Trek really has a grudge with the Irish, hasn't it ?
Star Trek really has a grudge with the Irish, hasn't it ?
In The Next Generation there's a throwaway line in an episode stating that Irish reunification took place in this decade thanks to the occasional efficacy of terrorism. That episode was censored on broadcasts in the UK until ~2008 because they're always having a normal one there and I don't think it's ever actually been aired by RTE.
confidence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pL8EJbBnbjY
tl;dr it's shite.spoiler (click to show/hide)Star TP indeed. :lol[close]
Shaddap faqqit.
not really, still sucks to think about
confidence
You still had some? ;)
it was pretty good?
it was pretty good?
plenty of torrent sites out there cmon bro
rarbg or something
you're telling me these people got in a gunfight on top of the starfleet archives and nobody noticed?
Voyager : Body & Soul is a delight. Jeri Ryan is having the time of her life (that's an awesome impression of the Doctor) and Picardo is pulling some insane faces in this.
you're telling me these people got in a gunfight on top of the starfleet archives and nobody noticed?
Jean Luc woke up at home. Sorry Starfleet wasn't there within 10 seconds and they didn't show the transport?
Baffling complaint.
you're telling me these people got in a gunfight on top of the starfleet archives and nobody noticed?
Jean Luc woke up at home. Sorry Starfleet wasn't there within 10 seconds and they didn't show the transport?
Baffling complaint.
Spoilers much?
There are transporter methods that are not commonly scanned for, and can even work through shields. Or it may be temporal. Who knows?
I imagine the production knew Season 7 was the last of Voyager, there's a commendable effort to wrap things up. There's also a very apparent theme about holographic people running through several of the episodes. Feel like a less interesting retread of the Data/Androids one they had in TNG but at least they're trying. Somehow feels like Voyager should have done that all along instead of stop-n-go a bunch of arcs they kept aborting because they didn't want to commit.
I imagine the production knew Season 7 was the last of Voyager, there's a commendable effort to wrap things up. There's also a very apparent theme about holographic people running through several of the episodes. Feel like a less interesting retread of the Data/Androids one they had in TNG but at least they're trying. Somehow feels like Voyager should have done that all along instead of stop-n-go a bunch of arcs they kept aborting because they didn't want to commit.
the problem with going too far down the lines of holographic people are actually real people if you leave the holodeck on long enough - which as a one off aberration with the doctor works if you don't think about it too much - is you're then basically saying the entire fucking federation are raping and murdering potentially sentient lifeforms in their millions on a fucking daily basis literally for shits and giggles.
which kinda undercuts that whole utopian future ideals thing.
I don't think it's an issue, "Starfleet as an utopia" has already lost a lot of shine through TNG to VOY. Holograms aren't that widespread yet apparently (the episode featuring the creator of holographic doctor says... 600 or so for the Mark 1 ? IIRC...) and it's only been 7 years. A legal and ethics gap is not inconceivable.
Though there's also the Moriarty precedent. But well the TNG crew wasn't particularly considerate despite acknowledging sentience.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfQdf93e63I
:rejoice
Voyager : Endgame is fucking lame. BOO. BOO.
Future rednecks with future Remington shotgunsI actually disliked that they already had handheld "phase pistols" at the start. I know lots of people had a similar response at the time as you did to that, but to me it's like we have been using our basic projectile guns for 400 years ourselves. This is only 150 years in the future.
Haven't watched the full video yet but have they acknowledged that so far at least they're in the minority and that many (most) Trekkies that are critical of Disco and JJ Trek loved the first episode? The reception is almost universal praise and it's the first time in decades I've seen Trekkies united about something.
Haven't watched the full video yet but have they acknowledged that so far at least they're in the minority and that many (most) Trekkies that are critical of Disco and JJ Trek loved the first episode? The reception is almost universal praise and it's the first time in decades I've seen Trekkies united about something.
https://youtu.be/jTwpoLLjpqg
https://youtu.be/jTwpoLLjpqg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da16Z33GyRw
Future rednecks with future Remington shotgunsI actually disliked that they already had handheld "phase pistols" at the start. I know lots of people had a similar response at the time as you did to that, but to me it's like we have been using our basic projectile guns for 400 years ourselves. This is only 150 years in the future.
Edit : Is Archer Country Music MAGA Captain ?
One last thing about the end of VoyagerIf you haven’t seen it, maybe give Stargate Universe a try. Despite some really dumb first season drama, I feel like they managed to sell the “stranded and isolated in space” vibe a whole lot better, even with the power creep that had occurred in the series by then.spoiler (click to show/hide)Being vaguely familiar with some of the plot points ahead, I kept expecting an episode about Tuvok entering early Vulcan senility at some point in S7. Didn't realize it was a C-plot crammed into the last episode.[close]
That ending note is really sour. Overall I'll probably remember Voyager as one long blur of mediocrity. Ultimately the show failed at conveying the feeling that they were really stranded and isolated. Minus the maintenance at star bases, it didn't look very different than Enterprise 5 year mission. I wasn't convinced at first but it's really a lesser version of TNG with a much lesser cast of characters.
One last thing about the end of VoyagerIf you haven’t seen it, maybe give Stargate Universe a try. Despite some really dumb first season drama, I feel like they managed to sell the “stranded and isolated in space” vibe a whole lot better, even with the power creep that had occurred in the series by then.spoiler (click to show/hide)Being vaguely familiar with some of the plot points ahead, I kept expecting an episode about Tuvok entering early Vulcan senility at some point in S7. Didn't realize it was a C-plot crammed into the last episode.[close]
That ending note is really sour. Overall I'll probably remember Voyager as one long blur of mediocrity. Ultimately the show failed at conveying the feeling that they were really stranded and isolated. Minus the maintenance at star bases, it didn't look very different than Enterprise 5 year mission. I wasn't convinced at first but it's really a lesser version of TNG with a much lesser cast of characters.
If you haven’t seen it, maybe give Stargate Universe a try. Despite some really dumb first season drama, I feel like they managed to sell the “stranded and isolated in space” vibe a whole lot better, even with the power creep that had occurred in the series by then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=da16Z33GyRw
Bbc has blocked that clip in my country, well fine you british cunts fuck off then
I’ve only just started watching BSG, so luckily I didn’t have that to color anything there. I really like the actors playing Young and Rush, though, so I had that to help me through some of the dumb stuff.
T'Pol is the hottest Star Trek actress next to Troi and I desperately want to eat her Vulcan pussy.only when she's brown, she's a weird looking white woman :fbm
I kinda like Enterprise (not yet Star Trek colon) actually ? The simplicity of it is a huge palette cleanser. Technobabble never bothered me in the moment but the contrast from coming directly from Voyager really make me feel in retrospect how the stories abused it. I'm sure I'll get mad at the Temporal Cold War thing already though.
https://youtu.be/M64voQEIY9k
i thought it was a few years but i just looked it up and it really was only 4 months after voyager ended. damn my brain really didn't want to believe that :lol
That has been my argument against the trek milking. They beat Trek to death. In the 90's and early 00's and they're doing it all over again. We do not need three to four different trek shows on at once and of course Trekkies don't want to hear it
fwiw the current crop of trek shows seem pretty different from each other compared to before
I also think those who are viewing it with rose tinted glasses may have skipped some viewing.
We've already seen members of the Federation happy to see a major species die from a disaster, and a conspiracy between the Federation and Romulans - The Undiscovered Country.
A lot of the stuff I've seen on the Star Trek sub singled out often angrily as just impossible from Trek was established in a Kirk film that came out in the middle of TNG's run.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PPm5l3o2zw&
one of the promo shots for the new picard episode show a flashback to post-Nemesis and what the uniforms looked likespoiler (click to show/hide)(https://i.imgur.com/5CxeAMj.jpg)[close]
:obama
Saw ep3 of Picard and it's poop.
Like I mentioned, I think Enterprise does better than Voyager are making "unexplored" space seem risky, dangerous and mysterious. "Dead Stop" is one of those episodes I remember, along with most of "The Catwalk" coming up, at creating a threat for the crew that doesn't have to be some other species, it can be a legit thing. And it can be restrained instead of drowning everything in technobabble.I just went and re-watched this episode, and was reminded how much I enjoyed it the first time. It does a good job on making the station feel strange and mysterious, and ultimately ends with very few of the raised questions answered. ENT got short shrift in general; it's a better series than VOY.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyDaystrom/comments/evgqyi/in_tng_brothers_riker_and_the_senior_staff_are/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyDaystrom/comments/evgqyi/in_tng_brothers_riker_and_the_senior_staff_are/)I'll have to check that one out next.
:hmm
voyager might have my favorite theme though
https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyDaystrom/comments/evgqyi/in_tng_brothers_riker_and_the_senior_staff_are/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/ShittyDaystrom/comments/evgqyi/in_tng_brothers_riker_and_the_senior_staff_are/)
:hmm
Is Riker retired in STP because Troi hit Betazoid menopause, quadrupling her sex drive, so now he's basically nothing more than a sex slave?
"Clarence Boddicker" plays the President of the Federation, who LOOKS like he is a Klingon, but for some reason is not.
Michael Dorn plays Kirk-and-McCoy's Klingon lawyerNamed Worf.
"Endgame", the finale of Voyager, also ended with the strong implication that the entire Borg Collective had been wiped out once and for all
Picard EP5 finally a halfway decent episode.
I just noticed that Maddox, looks like Jordan Peterson. :neogafspoiler (click to show/hide)Commodore Oh (https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/thekaratekid/images/0/0c/3iLQU4WFaclBOEQxGmWZ6cARhtX.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180119231646) (The head of Starfleet Security)[close]
She was also Jun Kazama in TekkenVoiceover or movie?
(https://preview.redd.it/0kesxvefjpi41.jpg?width=1024&auto=webp&s=8bd575ad7e76be5abe24b58be9a7111f78728a42)
I dun gettit :(
I dun gettit :(
Loss meme.
(https://i.imgur.com/s6N6S8K.png)
I dun gettit :(
The plot is explained but its nonsense.
Picard picked a fight with that Romulan Senator forcing Romulond to kill him that is not Picard, Picard would have been devastated that he caused that shit.
Picard Is About The Good In Flawed People In An Imperfect World
The Perfect Is The Enemy Of The Good
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-tng-ds9-morality-idealism-better-explainedQuotePicard Is About The Good In Flawed People In An Imperfect WorldQuoteThe Perfect Is The Enemy Of The Good
As per the article.
They've truly taken what was great about DS9 and are just exploring more of it :bow
why do you guys care what other people think?
why do you guys care what other people think?
It's just their network of transwarp shit being blowed up right?
https://youtu.be/edflm7Hh3hs
why do you guys care what other people think?
None of us should really care if someone dislikes/likes this stuff yet here we are. Can't get mad at people for liking it because I don't, I'm happy for you all.FUUUUCCCCCKKKK OOOOOOOOoooofffOOOFFFFFF
Already watched the episode, how so?
And yes the episode is garbage again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVlKqh6IRdo"Out of context?" No, I'm pretty sure I saw this episode.
This is beautiful.
https://youtu.be/nNNWWdsEYGg
Are people still using Red Letter Media as a barometer of what is good?
:heh
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.
I don't think TNG is the best Trek, to me it's TOS then DS9.
Ah the it's not as good as you remember fallacy...
I'll just leave this here.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH-wD-wMx54
Have only watched 3 episodes of Picard and liked what I saw so I won't comment but I know I disagree with RLM generally speaking as a source of authority (or people who can never seem to stop bringing them up) when it comes to this stuff so I doubt they have suddenly got better when it comes to what determines good from bad.
The idea that Picard also needs to be roughly the same show as TNG is also something I don't agree with at all. But I'll digress until I have time to watch the full season.
To each his own but I have no problem in general with "NuTrek". TNG was just as flawed as anything else once nostalgia goggles are removed. Which is not to say I don't generally speaking like TNG. I just don't put it on some pedestal as the only way to do Trek or even the best way to do Trek.
Who said they were flawless?okay pedantic ass :lol
TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.
Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.
The show has almost no continuity.
Who said they were flawless?okay pedantic ass :lol
they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.
TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.
Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.
The show has almost no continuity.
That's the whole Borg/PTSD arc that Picard forgot about specifically that he got over it in First Contact about the only thing the TNG movies did right.Who said they were flawless?okay pedantic ass :lol
they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.
TNG is still light years ahead of Nutrek garbage. :neogafspoiler (click to show/hide)Imagine trying to tear down something good so you can put a literal piece of shit on a pedestal. :sabu[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xFxTV21KhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZsbm7TDvUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wCvXh_1vtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwVEDvUegLw
Ok. Since you and the posters like you have shown you completely lack the ability to discuss, you can have this thread and I will post in the other one even if no one else posts in it.
"You cold blooded devil!"
McCoy's racism is fine.
Someone falling into delusion and depression after they lose their Starfleet commission and purpose in life? That's pushing things too far! :tocry
TNG is flawed as fuck and a product of its era. It's a classic but get real.
Picard is assimilated into the Borg, doesn't have PTSD at all and it's not even mentioned besides the episode where he goes back to the farm and First Contact.
The show has almost no continuity.
That's the whole Borg/PTSD arc that Picard forgot about specifically that he got over it in First Contact about the only thing the TNG movies did right.Who said they were flawless?okay pedantic ass :lol
they aren't as good as you remember. happy now? many of the episodes of the vaunted old trek shows suck balls.
TNG is still light years ahead of Nutrek garbage. :neogafspoiler (click to show/hide)Imagine trying to tear down something good so you can put a literal piece of shit on a pedestal. :sabu[close]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xFxTV21KhM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZsbm7TDvUQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wCvXh_1vtQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwVEDvUegLw
Are you able to articulate an opinion without posting a bunch of youtube videos?
I like Picard and I find it to be very optimistic. Trek usually reflects its era. I think Picard is doing a fine job reflecting the dark/scary times of today. If you don't find it dark or scary that's on you. But I find it to be very optimistic and gets argues that even during the hardest of times we should strive to do what's right. I find it very encouraging that such a broken group of people can find common cause to improve the universe and I'm sorry that it has:
cursing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrm8TV7K4zo
and smoking in it
Even Discovery, which has its flaws, has some good in it.
It's weird that some of the detractors from Picard argue it's not "real Trek" because there's alcoholics (!!!) in it as they pretend arguments between Synthol and real alcohol have never existed in Trek (O'Brien argues that synthol is nothing compared to a real beer) or that people don't drink actual alcohol regularly (remember Romulan Ale? What about Blood Wine?).
Then there's the argument that there's "too much brokenness" which is apparently impossible in Star Trek the same franchise that had a ensign get PTSD after he lost his leg in a battle, and refused to come out of a holodeck for days at a time because fantasy became better than the real thing. Or the time he was also on board a ship where members of the highest Federation cadet group reduced themselves to cultism as all of the higher ranking officials were murdered in battle.
Star Trek has never featured flawed people
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It has never had people with problems
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Remember the time Kirk became a racist towards Klingons because they killed his son? Star Trek can never be negative or showed character flaws. Better judge an entire show because the first season is even over.
Remember during TOS when people judged Spock harshly because of his non human values?
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A lot of these criticisms are baffling and have persisted in Star Trek before. It's most people that critique Picard in particular have never seen an episode of Star Trek. It's baffling, really.
characters not being likable within the first few episodes means TNG and DS9 are outta luck I guess. The first season of both those shows were pretty dire and didn't do a great job overall with the characters compared to later seasons.
To be fair I barely post in this thread anymore so its not like I actually care. I just saw the RLM stuff and that got me annoyed since among a certain group the opinions they carry seem to matter quite a lot.(which is quite odd to me) And it tends to be a lazy form of argumentation to parrot what they say instead of actually having an original opinion. Carry on until the next time I do a drive by.
The rise of authoritarian governments and fascism doesn't frighten you?
What a model Trekkie.
The conceit of the show is a commentary on the migrant crisis and peoples response to it. Greeks are growing increasingly intolerant of migrants and have turned to right wing politics in response.
Just the other day.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/07/world/europe/greece-turkey-migrants.html
So my impressions of Star Trek Picard:
- I really, really love it and look forward to it each week.
- I find it to be the successor to the old Star Trek formula.
- It gives me a lot of encouragement to fight in a cruel universe.
- It carries over the old Trekkian slow, deliberate pacing. So much of it is talking about feelings and stuff such as this scene.
To be fair I barely post in this thread anymore so its not like I actually care. I just saw the RLM stuff and that got me annoyed since among a certain group the opinions they carry seem to matter quite a lot.(which is quite odd to me) And it tends to be a lazy form of argumentation to parrot what they say instead of actually having an original opinion. Carry on until the next time I do a drive by.
So you didnt even bother to watch their videos critizing the dumbest shit in these episodes?
So you turn a blind eye to legitimate criticism under the veil of " oh they are just youtubers and have no authority to speak on Trek "
Sorry, but that is just hilarious.
I just think the new show isnt fun, the characters arent fun, they are all so negative and sour. I will continue to watch to see where the story goes, but at this point I have to already force myself to watch them.
I don't think they try to do that at all, they just express their opinions and feelings like anyone else. If people use their videos to "prove" their opinions as the right ones, that's not really on RLM.
I don't think they are a 'premium brand' for criticism, but I generally agree with their criticism of Picard.
I can totally understand not watching their videos if you havent seen all the new Picard stuff yet, I gave this a chance because I really grown to love TNG, yes it has its flaws and yes there are characters in that show that are unbearable, like lwaxana troi. But even in those episodes there is some fun to it, as Picard tries his best to dodge her :lol.
I just think the new show isnt fun, the characters arent fun, they are all so negative and sour. I will continue to watch to see where the story goes, but at this point I have to already force myself to watch them. D3ranged said the new episode is good, I fail to see why. I like the slower approach, but 8 episodes in this is already setting up some grand ' save the galaxy ' type plot that is fucking boring.
I wish Trek could just go back to individual episodes, where each episode has a story that is resolved at the end of the episode.
I might have read a quote chain wrong. But I take no responsibility at all :trumps
I might have read a quote chain wrong. But I take no responsibility at all :trumps
Since you're a moron, I think you're referring to the post where I posted the Data "oh shit" clip. I posted ONE. CLIP. to supplement my point. The rest of the post is nothing but text and images.
Deranged posted NOTHING. NOTHING. of substance. NOTHING. He just spammed a bunch of youtube links.
Because you're a moron you're going back on ignore taco
Imagine bitching about how I DON'T LIKE THE CHARACTERS on the first season of a Star Trek show.
Deranged and Mmarsu probably bitched when the captain was black in DS9 and captain was a woman in Voyager.
Outside of TOS, every single first to second season of a Trek show is flawed as fuck. Especially weird how we are talking about Picard, whose predecessor had the great and timeless character Wesley Crusher.
It's weird how such a pedestal people put on TNG. It's a great show. It's a goddamn classic, and some days it might even be my favorite Star Trek. But god fucking damn stop riding it and the rest of the franchises nuts. They've always been flawed, the new characters in Picard have more development some like Dr. Crusher ever had. We don't know what direction they'll take the series in season 2 so this is all moot.
You guys didn't even want to give Picard a chance. It's just endless bitching, even about the most banal of things likes smoking and cursing (who cares).
I personally think what's "trek" is it's fairly unique optimism about the future and the values that people adhere to in order to make that a bright future.
And as much as I like DS9, it veers into "not trek" as a result of rejecting that premise, which in itself I can't help but feel was a reaction to what Babylon 5 was doing.
DS9 being "trek" is that episode where Sisko refuses to take his uniform off because crazy luddite bitch is trying to break him and he refuses to give up on the principles of what the starfleet uniform represents.
DS9 being "not trek" is a fabricating casus belli to get the romulans to join the war against the dominion.
They're both good episodes. But one is "trek" in a way that the other demonstrably is not.
You might personally feel darkier edgier grimdark scifi is more interesting, or a more interesting way of exploring contemporary analogues, but its also pretty much dime a dozen scifi without that spark of hope and optimisim which - again - star trek is fairly unique in portraying.
DS9 is "not Trek" in that it can't escape consequences, all the rest get to warp away from them. Kirk on TOS breaks far more rules than everyone but Janeway. TOS leaves many planets in a no hope situation or without survivors.
If Picard isn't Trek neither is DS9.
Imagine bitching about how I DON'T LIKE THE CHARACTERS on the first season of a Star Trek show.
Deranged and Mmarsu probably bitched when the captain was black in DS9 and captain was a woman in Voyager.
Outside of TOS, every single first to second season of a Trek show is flawed as fuck. Especially weird how we are talking about Picard, whose predecessor had the great and timeless character Wesley Crusher.
Reading this, really makes me believe you havent read anything me or d3ranged wrote in here. In fact, it seems this entire 'discussion' is pointless. Feel free to like Picard, we won't shit on you for it. But at least have the decency to read the posts made in the discussion you are partaking in.
Also you spouting an entire post about character development, when that is not something that was focussed on with TNG at all. Yes some of them were very static in their personality throughout the entire show, and did not have any meaningful growth. But that is a show that focussed on an event, something happening in the episode that one or more characters have to solve in order to work through the issue at hand.
And although that's not very different from Picard in a sense that Picard is more reliant on it's plot than it's characters, it still presents zero new, interesting and believable characters. Their motivations make no sense most of the time. They are also all very sour and negative. There is barely any fun. Also making Seven of Nine a generic bounty hunter was really the best they could do?
But whatever, it seems pointless to discuss this with you, because you don't even know what the discussion is about. It's not about flawed characters, thats for sure. It's not about character development.QuoteIt's weird how such a pedestal people put on TNG. It's a great show. It's a goddamn classic, and some days it might even be my favorite Star Trek. But god fucking damn stop riding it and the rest of the franchises nuts. They've always been flawed, the new characters in Picard have more development some like Dr. Crusher ever had. We don't know what direction they'll take the series in season 2 so this is all moot.
You guys didn't even want to give Picard a chance. It's just endless bitching, even about the most banal of things likes smoking and cursing (who cares).
This proves my point. It is you that is coming in here with preconceived notions.
If you wanna discuss the show, discuss the show. The rest of this shit is just pathetic. Noone is saying TNG is perfect.
You're a looney
But at least have the decency to read the posts made in the discussion you are partaking in.
https://screenrant.com/star-trek-picard-tng-ds9-morality-idealism-better-explainedQuotePicard Is About The Good In Flawed People In An Imperfect WorldQuoteThe Perfect Is The Enemy Of The Good
As per the article.
They've truly taken what was great about DS9 and are just exploring more of it :bow
No.
I truly find no difference between their methodologies.
QuoteI truly find no difference between their methodologies.
Don't know how you can look at how DS9 portrays something like section 31, things like xenophobia, and you look at MAGA Starfleet from Picard, and see no difference.
Just because DS9 was dark doesn't mean it's bad for Star Trek. It means clumsily handling those themes is nad for star trek.
The main issue I have with the shady Federation storylines is that Kurtzman is a boring hack
Remember the time Picard gets orders from up high to escort Native Americans that emigrated to space from their new home because their planet sits on Cardassian territory after a new treaty? So he goes to the planet to tell them to leave their new homeland and will even do so be force? Then Wesley Crusher quits Starfleet because he thought they were better than this?
It feels like people who say "Federation would never act like this" have excised any negative portrayal of Starfleet from their brains. It's fucking baffling that a bunch of know it all nerds who can remember the specs of the Enterprise D doesn't remember important details like this shit. God fucking damn.
Remember the time Picard gets orders from up high to escort Native Americans that emigrated to space from their new home because their planet sits on Cardassian territory after a new treaty? So he goes to the planet to tell them to leave their new homeland and will even do so be force? Then Wesley Crusher quits Starfleet because he thought they were better than this?
It feels like people who say "Federation would never act like this" have excised any negative portrayal of Starfleet from their brains. It's fucking baffling that a bunch of know it all nerds who can remember the specs of the Enterprise D doesn't remember important details like this shit. God fucking damn.
Vom, did you get to the third season of Enterprise or take a break?
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This Picard shit sounds terrible.
This Picard shit sounds terrible.
Hi Tasty WB :)
I rewatched the pilot of TNG recently Picard is a total dick to Riker. :lolspoiler (click to show/hide)I feel sorry for O'brien that episode where his wife is nice too him and he's like that ain't my wife. :lol[close]
I rewatched the pilot of TNG recently Picard is a total dick to Riker. :lolspoiler (click to show/hide)I feel sorry for O'brien that episode where his wife is nice too him and he's like that ain't my wife. :lol[close]
s1, they were supposed to be antithetical to each other. The idea was that the first officer could go on Away Teams, but the captain could not. That didn't last long.
Also, O'Brien VS Keiko is always going to be welcome conversation to my ears. I could not believe what a horrible wife they straddled to such a stalwart cohort.
DeeeeeetsMike is literally going to collapse in a pool of convulsion vomit. I'm on my phone so it's annoying to type more but I will later
I need to know if Mike Stoklasa is gonna have a brain aneurysm
These spoilers... :thinkingI actually liked that part, it's annoying that it stems from a relationship that was never there, but yeah it's nicespoiler (click to show/hide)The final scene with Data sounds nice.[close]
The android gAve it to them
Yeah it was the one who got killed by getting stabbed in the eye :doge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTL1upt_Vak
The android gAve it to them
Yeah it was the one who got killed by getting stabbed in the eye :doge
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTL1upt_Vak
So do the holodecks safeties just not recognise data as a human and therefore don't protect him, and he still goes in all the time anyway?
:badass
I have begun rewatching The Orville
Aside from a few corny jokes that fall flat, its superb in that its a fun sci fi romp where shit makes sense.
I have begun rewatching The Orville
Aside from a few corny jokes that fall flat, its superb in that its a fun sci fi romp where shit makes sense.
It is on it's last season though... :fbm
"single parent" :gurl
my man worf is a deadbeat dad
I've got two more episodes left to watch on Picard. I really like it, particularly because it doesn't feel like a Trek show. Really does remind me of Mass Effect.
I've got two more episodes left to watch on Picard. I really like it, particularly because it doesn't feel like a Trek show. Really does remind me of Mass Effect.
You don't say...
I've got two more episodes left to watch on Picard. I really like it, particularly because it doesn't feel like a Trek show. Really does remind me of Mass Effect.
You don't say...
And?
I like the series so far and think they’ve got a lot to really build on for a great season 2, but I think I might detest that finale episode. Maybe not quite Nemesis hate, but it feels close.same, i enjoyed the first season and i'm looking forward to season 2 but that last episode was pretty awful. i could see how you could compare it to mass effect but that's not really an original story idea to begin with so eh, not too bothered.
And the far superior DS9 doesn't cut it why?
Honestly while watching the last 15 mins, I thought they were going to reveal that this whole season took place in the end moments of Nemesis, right when data saves Picard by beaming him off, Data put something on the beamer which would run this whole season as a simulation to force Daddy Picard to finally say I love you right before Data died.
Yeah it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EArdkwUyWa0
Starfleet : We need someone to command all these starships to one of the most important potential battles ever
Starfleet : Sends a retired old captain to command the fleet just because (fanservice)
Fans: WOOOO THIS IS SOOOO COOL (see comments)
I watched the finale, I take back what I said. The show was great until they got to the synth planet.I mean I didnt like the show, but I wasnt super hurt mad over it, that last two eps pissed me right off though.
I watched the finale, I take back what I said. The show was great until they got to the synth planet.I mean I didnt like the show, but I wasnt super hurt mad over it, that last two eps pissed me right off though.
I mean now you know how other people feel about the previous 8 eps and the entirety of Star Trek canon before :idontI watched the finale, I take back what I said. The show was great until they got to the synth planet.I mean I didnt like the show, but I wasnt super hurt mad over it, that last two eps pissed me right off though.
It didn’t piss me off or anything but it tonally felt like a different show and just hand waved everything away.
I mean now you know how other people feel about the previous 8 eps and the entirety of Star Trek canon before :idontoverly upset and babyraging over things not being an exact one to one clone of TNG forever across every show and movie for eternity? :lol
I mean now you know how other people feel about the previous 8 eps and the entirety of Star Trek canon before :idontoverly upset and babyraging over things not being an exact one to one clone of TNG forever across every show and movie for eternity? :lol
I mean if your complaint is the show doesnt follow it's own continuity/feel then this comparison is relevant :engelI mean now you know how other people feel about the previous 8 eps and the entirety of Star Trek canon before :idontoverly upset and babyraging over things not being an exact one to one clone of TNG forever across every show and movie for eternity? :lol
I mean if your complaint is the show doesnt follow it's own continuity/feel then this comparison is relevant :engelthat's not my complaint. i enjoyed the show. yet somehow this means something is wrong with me according to mmarsu. seems pointlessly aggressive to me.
I mean if your complaint is the show doesnt follow it's own continuity/feel then this comparison is relevant :engelthat's not my complaint. i enjoyed the show. yet somehow this means something is wrong with me according to mmarsu. seems pointlessly aggressive to me.
i just thinkotherwise i liked it.spoiler (click to show/hide)putting picard in a synth body is pretty goofy[close]
i think star trek fanboys need to get over themselves much like every other obsessive fandom out there. either way i'm done with the topic of Picard as it's clear this thread is just going to be posting nitpicky asspainy youtube videos in order for the complainers to prove themselves right on the subject. :zzz
:nope
i have no interest in trying to convert anyone to my side or prove some kind of point so we'll just agree to disagree.
Literally all I wanted in a new trek was that it takes place after voyager, and I got that. There is a lot of trashy stuff in this season but season 1 of TNG was pretty much trash too.
as far as the new stuff i like beyond and picard and i think the rest are varying levels of meh to bad. i just also think that old trek is probably never coming back the way people want so comparing everything to it seems sorta pointless.
If today there were a more classic type show running alongside a darker show (or shows... is Section 13 or whatever still happening? Did it already happen?), I don't think the ire would be pronounced. But this is metacommentary which I'm trying to avoid...
Star Trek: Picard Series Is a Psychological Character Study Says Producer Alex Kurtzman
I am going through DS9 as well man like half the season was pretty good and then shit episodes like that pop up and it never really recovers.Battle Lines was amazing. Vortex was alright. The rest of this series must be pretty good if this is considered the worst season.
I am going through DS9 as well man like half the season was pretty good and then shit episodes like that pop up and it never really recovers.Battle Lines was amazing. Vortex was alright. The rest of this series must be pretty good if this is considered the worst season.
I know there are people who don't like the Ferengi episodes, and they are wrong and should feel bad because those are great.
I have a soft spot for mirror universe cuz evil Kira. :whewspoiler (click to show/hide)Lwaxana actually has a decent episode in S1 of TNG where Diana was betrothed to some childhood friend ok that part was shit but Data saved that episode with his fascination of biologicals and their petty bickering.[close]
Duet was a great episode. I agree that #NotAllGermans were bad people.
I've heard the argument made the other way, that she can act fine but the writing wasn't up to the character, there's definitely the feeling she was the eye candy of the cast for the producers. It's maybe a bit of both. Shosta mentioned how jarring it was that apparently there was no jurisprudence of any kind about the host and/or symbiote responsibility in case of a crime and overall the background mythology is surprisingly vague. I was not impressed by the Trill aquarium in a cave, to take another example. Odo and Quark are much stronger characters with very heavy traits, Brooks is a scenery chewer and Visitor is by far the strongest actor in the core cast. Farrell is not there but I think she's on the level of Siddig.I think Farrell is a completely capable actor, it’s definitely possible that the actual scripting for her was weak, but for whatever reason I felt that she wasn’t able to fit/make work the role of Jadzia. Especially the Klingon stuff.
If Voyager is TNG methadone, does that make The Orville TNG Ketamine? :thinking
If TNG used Discovery's format every episode would be: Riker gets dressed down for bringing a strange space STI aboard the ship > Something happens that moves the season arc an inch and a half > Riker stares doe eyed out his window while wearing space pajamas > Something else happens that moves the season arc an inch and a half > Geordi and Troi tell him that he's doing a great job and mean old Picard and the Admirals just don't get it > Stuff blows up > Picard tells Riker that his reckless and impulsive space STI possibly saved the day > Roll credits.
I am ready for everybody who worked on that abomination to be fired. :-[
I am ready for everybody who worked on that abomination to be fired. :-[
My general impression is that you're not a positive thinker about many things. Which is fine. It does make me sad for you though.
The term "Cetacean Ops" was only heard in the "background chatter" during the episode. The facility might also exist in the regular timeline as dolphins are mentioned to be aboard the ship in "The Perfect Mate". To date, the facility has never been shown on screen. Conceptual artwork at Andrew Probert's website shows that the facility may be have been featured in the original version of Star Trek Online. The subtitles for the episode on streaming services including both Netflix and Amazon, as well as the TNG Season 3 Blu-ray release, give the facility's name as "station Ops."https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Dolphin
According to the 1996 reference book Star Trek: The Next Generation USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D Blueprints, lifeboats for the cetacean ops crew were located on deck 13. [1]
The dolphins aboard the Enterprise-D were originally to have been referenced in TNG: "Relics". In the first draft script of that outing, Geordi La Forge remarked to Montgomery Scott, "Wait until you see the dolphins." However, that statement, in the final draft of the script as well as the final edit of the installment, became, "Wait until you see the Holodeck." [1]
The Star Trek: The Next Generation Technical Manual indicates that the dolphins were part of the ship's complement, serving as navigational specialists. This would indicate that they are, in fact, a sentient species. They likely operated out of Cetacean Ops.
I assume it'd be easy enough for someone to check a copy of the TNG Technical Manual. The Okuda's and others weren't above putting obscure references on things that were never expected to be seen like computer screens and stuff so labeling a door out of something wacky in the Technical Manual sounds like the kinds of things they did all the time. These became recursive because the Okuda's then wrote the Chronology and Encyclopedia which referenced a ton of them. Then later series referenced them.
I finished Picard. I more-or-less binged it this time, and tried to pay better attention than my first attempt, when I was doing chores and stuff while it was playing. I got four episodes in that time, and had no idea what was going on. So... for me, that's a little bit anti-Trek: there aren't many other OST, TNG, or VOY episodes where I can't just tune-in halfway and have a decent idea of what's happening. Picard uses nonsequential storytelling and more of an adventure/quest storyline than the semi-procedural pattern of previous series.They could’ve saved that final episode for me if after
tl;dr: I liked Picard a bunch this time. It suffers from the same problem as the TNG movies, where Picard and Data are overwhelmingly the focus of the story. But it's not like the series own title and the very first shot in the show (Picard and Data playing poker) don't pretty much let you know that this will be the case. And in fairness, the new crew does get some reasonable amount of background and development over the course of this season's 10 episodes. I like it. I'm ready for more. And I say that as someone who probably won't ever go out of his way for more VOY or another season of DISCOVERY.
There are questions brought up which bear near-PKD levels of scrutinizing reality and the legitimacy of consciousness. There is a consistent presentation of the concept that life's preciousness is inherently tied to its limited nature. Death is what gives life meaning. That said, there are a couple of inherent missteps. Picard spoilers:spoiler (click to show/hide)The first synth, Dahj, is killed in front of Picard in the end of the first episode from whatever acidic spit-sac the Romulan assassins are using in place of cyanide capsules. She dies without ever mentioning her twin, Soji. It's likely that she never knew about Soji -- but Soji knew about Dahj. Sure, both of them were living lives that were couched in false memories, but why give one the memory, and not the other? And why is Dahj's life so casually tossed aside? And why is there a gold-skinned version of her which has no twin?
In the coda for Data, he requests that Picard turn off the quantum simulation in which Data remains conscious. This is the culmination of "life has meaning because it is finite." Data wants to benefit from that same awareness of limit, thus gaining further, final insight into the human condition. While it could be argued that, even with triple-redundancy on the quantum simulation, it is eventually going to fail. Nothing is forever, so this is less about awareness and finite-ness, and more about assisted suicide. I'm also OK with that.
What surprised me was pushing Picard's consciousness into an equally frail body, with a life expectancy of "more or less what you would've had if not for the brain tumor." Picard had his run, he lived a good life, has died of misadventure a couple of times -- but converting his consciousness into a new body seems to fly in the face of the series' main message. This is your one life. Use it as best you can because it is singular and precious. Unless you're Picard, in which case you'll be saved from a brain tumor, or a Nausicaan stabbing you through the heart, or whatever.[close]
One more thing, when they're in the bar andVajazzleBijayzl is first introduced, I thought she was Deanna Troi. I thought, "Holy hells, Marina Sirtis has held up well!" That was a hell of a bodysuit. Anyway, yeah, I'll be in my bunk.
http://twitter.com/Jwhitbrook/status/1230868218065104896
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/star-trek-series-anson-mount-ethan-peck-rebecca-romijn-cbs-all-access-1234607259/
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Good News for me.
Sad news for the rest of the thread.
:sabu
Although most will probably need to wait for an RLM video to form their opinion first.
three shows is a lot of shows. were tng, ds9, and voyager ever on all at the same time? if so it would have had to be right at the very tail end of tng.
Ew more Star Drek for the Drekkies.
My serious response is that three shows are a lot. But I also get hitting where the iron is hot. Trek on TV is hot for the first time in awhile so they are going to push it for all its worth.
I'm fine with it as long as the shows can keep a distinct separate focus and identity which is admittedly tough for trek.
Anson Mount was really good as Pike so I understand wanting to keep him around for stuff as was Peck as spock. Romijn was kinda meh imo but maybe she can up her game if given more to do.
At one point there was also talk of a Michelle Yeoh Spin off show. Not sure if that is dead in favor of this or not.
three shows is a lot of shows. were tng, ds9, and voyager ever on all at the same time? if so it would have had to be right at the very tail end of tng.
I don't think 3 or 4 shows is a lot when they are all like 10-13 episodes and seem to have longer times between seasons.
Damn yeah there's two other shows in development too, Lower Decks (two season pickup out of the gate??) and some cartoon show Nick is making maybe?
The thing is I'd be fine with a lot of Trek shows, but why are the majority of them Discovery-era? What about the people that don't like Discovery era or prequels? They're fucked if they don't like Picard either.
Strange New Worlds would be more interesting if its placing in the timeline was ambiguous. The temptation in these prequel shows to touch and smudge up TOS stories is too great for the writers, and they routinely cock it up IMO.
I am going through DS9 as well man like half the season was pretty good and then shit episodes like that pop up and it never really recovers.Battle Lines was amazing. Vortex was alright. The rest of this series must be pretty good if this is considered the worst season.
I like New Trek so I'm fine with this until I stop liking the shows. When that happens I will mention it personally. Everybody is of course entitled to their own opinion and preferences (once properly vetted by an RLM video of course)keeping on with this RLM shtick when everyone in this thread pretty much gives their opinions 5 mins after the show aired is distinguished mentally-challenged fellow fuel, but hey I guess it worked on me :shaking :engel
My secret wish for a trek show was the rumoured original pitch for Discovery and that it was going to be an anthology show where you focused on a different cast and experience each season. I loved that idea. But I also understand why from a business perspective it was shot down.
I like New Trek so I'm fine with this until I stop liking the shows. When that happens I will mention it personally. Everybody is of course entitled to their own opinion and preferences (once properly vetted by an RLM video of course)keeping on with this RLM shtick when everyone in this thread pretty much gives their opinions 5 mins after the show aired is distinguished mentally-challenged fellow fuel, but hey I guess it worked on me :shaking :engel
My secret wish for a trek show was the rumoured original pitch for Discovery and that it was going to be an anthology show where you focused on a different cast and experience each season. I loved that idea. But I also understand why from a business perspective it was shot down.
No he's not right, the people in this thread, ostensibly the readers of this thread have all shared their opinions well before RLM has given their opinions, that we laugh along with RLM later does in no way seed those opinions unless you've secretly discovered time travel.
love it. Triggering those RLM fanboys
:phil
love it. Triggering those RLM fanboysI'm not triggered, just hoping we can find jovial mutual disgust in each other's viewing habits without attributing it to third party puppet masters. I for one would rather be called a dumbass than a dumbass by proxy because I have standards dammit :quark
:phil
love it. Triggering those RLM fanboysI'm not triggered, just hoping we can find jovial mutual disgust in each other's viewing habits without attributing it to third party puppet masters. I for one would rather be called a dumbass than a dumbass by proxy because I have standards dammit :quark
:phil
watch year of hell and get back to me :ufup
:lol
look how the other autismos in here reacted to it and there's your answer
see i didn't even have to drop a name and they come flocking :lol
Ok, since I still haven't watched Picard, I guess I'll have to do it now. Is it really really bad? On a scale of 1-10?It's shit. If you have the ability to shut off your brain and just want to see familiar faces and be mildly entertained (about as much as when the kettle boils for tea) go ahead.
(No spoilers, please).
post some more rlm shit disguised as your own opinion, that will surely convince me that the parts of the show i liked aren't real :lol :lol :lol
i figured you needed some time to cool down. all that posting can't be good for your fat heart. just worried about your health ;)
i too just repeat slang i read on the internet. what an Rico Suave :lol :lol :lol
imagine having a full meltdown over every topic where people disagree with you. hopefully no one posts about epic today or you might completely lose it
like i said, unlike power tripping bore mods it wasn't a ban. prove me wrong.i figured you needed some time to cool down. all that posting can't be good for your fat heart. just worried about your health ;)
OK, one good turn deserves another!
like i said, unlike power tripping bore mods it wasn't a ban. prove me wrong.i figured you needed some time to cool down. all that posting can't be good for your fat heart. just worried about your health ;)
OK, one good turn deserves another!
"I am the culmination of one man's dream. This is not ego or vanity, but when Doctor Soong created me he added to the substance of the universe. If by your experiments I am destroyed, something unique, something wonderful will be lost. I cannot permit that, I must protect his dream." - Data, Star Trek TNG
"I would be profoundly grateful if you terminated my consciousness." - Data, Star Trek Picard
Quote"I am the culmination of one man's dream. This is not ego or vanity, but when Doctor Soong created me he added to the substance of the universe. If by your experiments I am destroyed, something unique, something wonderful will be lost. I cannot permit that, I must protect his dream." - Data, Star Trek TNGspoiler (click to show/hide)Quote"I would be profoundly grateful if you terminated my consciousness." - Data, Star Trek Picard[close]
Quote"I am the culmination of one man's dream. This is not ego or vanity, but when Doctor Soong created me he added to the substance of the universe. If by your experiments I am destroyed, something unique, something wonderful will be lost. I cannot permit that, I must protect his dream." - Data, Star Trek TNGspoiler (click to show/hide)Quote"I would be profoundly grateful if you terminated my consciousness." - Data, Star Trek Picard[close]
I like Picard.
I don't.
I'm sorry cindi, we have to kill each other now.
I like Picard.
I don't.
This bodysnatchers episode of DS9 is unbelievably bad :lol
That means Cardassians would be next up on shosta network. Garak episode. :hyperThis was a solid episode. I enjoy the intrigue... lately though I've been really disliking Bashir. Just an annoying character overall.
Bashir takes a while... they really didn't know what to do with the character and it shows.I wrote this in my post before I read yours so I'm glad I'm not just imagining this.
Rules of Acquisition is one of my favorite episodes. All of the Ferengi episodes are good. All of them.
I think you'd be hard pressed to find trekkies who hate the ds9 ferengi episodes...
I like when Bashir and O'Brien cure space aids and the government tries to have them murdered and she's all "My husband NEVER drinks coffee after midday!" and at the end he's all "what? I drink that shit all day long" :rofl
Its not like beverly crusher getting fucked by a ghost, which is near universally reviled as fucking awful trash
Dr. Crusher attends her grandmother's funeral, and spends time in her grandmother's haunted house, romanced by her grandmother's non-corporeal lover.
At the cemetery, Geordi and Data have found an energy source in Beverly's grandmother's grave. They open the grave, and the grandmother rises and attacks them. Beverly arrives and orders Ronin to get out of her grandmother's body. Ronin does so and tells Beverly to give him the candle. She has by now discovered that he is an anaphasic alien who can only survive because the plasma-based candle is his energy receptacle. Beverly destroys the candle with a phaser and vaporizes Ronin when he attempts to possess her body.
Remember in Saved by the Bell when Jesse developed an addiction to caffeine pills and has that big “druggie freak out”? Watching Sub Rosa is similar levels of embarrassment-by-proxy when you watch it.Its not like beverly crusher getting fucked by a ghost, which is near universally reviled as fucking awful trash
WTF? :lolQuoteDr. Crusher attends her grandmother's funeral, and spends time in her grandmother's haunted house, romanced by her grandmother's non-corporeal lover.
:whatisthisQuoteAt the cemetery, Geordi and Data have found an energy source in Beverly's grandmother's grave. They open the grave, and the grandmother rises and attacks them. Beverly arrives and orders Ronin to get out of her grandmother's body. Ronin does so and tells Beverly to give him the candle. She has by now discovered that he is an anaphasic alien who can only survive because the plasma-based candle is his energy receptacle. Beverly destroys the candle with a phaser and vaporizes Ronin when he attempts to possess her body.
:titus
Bashir starts off as horny frat boy, and then becomes IRL bond ??? because he has a british accent ??? and enjoys grey market Bond knock off holodeck novels ???
Bashirs fascination with Garak comes from his spyfic interests, and Garaks amusement at him comes from the discrepancy between what Bashir thinks spycraft is about and what it actually involves
I haven't rewatched recently, but its super early on that he goes to Sisko "I think that tailor might be a SPY I'm going to get closer to him" and sisko is all "whatevs doctor"
:idont
Remember in Saved by the Bell when Jesse developed an addiction to caffeine pills and has that big “druggie freak out”? Watching Sub Rosa is similar levels of embarrassment-by-proxy when you watch it.
bork the Trek virgin :uguu
the clock is now ticking till bork starts taking gold pressed latinum bribes for forum favours :quark
He thinks Garak might be a spy. True. This doesn't make it conclusive that Bashir himself has a fascination with spying or considers himself to be James Bond, which is your main point and something I've never seen an inkling regarding the character.
it will be very profitable for us both :moneyRemember in Saved by the Bell when Jesse developed an addiction to caffeine pills and has that big “druggie freak out”? Watching Sub Rosa is similar levels of embarrassment-by-proxy when you watch it.
I think I'm going to have to watch this episode now. :lolbork the Trek virgin :uguu
Yeah man, outside of some original series stuff, some TNG episodes, and the movies...I don't really know what's going on with it. Every time I find out about some weird or crazy shit, I have to check it out. :P Last time I went hunting for an episode or two was after finding out that Ryker had a clone or whatever who ended up doing his own thing.
:ryker :rykerthe clock is now ticking till bork starts taking gold pressed latinum bribes for forum favours :quark
:confused
Also FWIW I think Dr Phlox is best Trek Doctor (and Andy Dick is worst :yuck) in being the doctor I would most want to be treated by if I had something wrong
https://www.startrek.com/news/the-humbling-of-admiral-picard
Mother Fuck this show and anybody who worked on it.
Number One the dog represents a marginalized community(https://i.imgur.com/hun3hnG.png)
Ruth is a black/Latinx freelancer based in Istanbul who writes about culture, travel, and wellness. She still hasn't finished all of DS9.:mike
I understand where he is coming from but this outcome was expected. He says there's a bigger audience for old school Star Trek but I highly doubt that.
stuff like WestWorld is waaaaaaaaaay fucking better than Picard is.I really hate Picard, but let's not go wild :cenk
I think the issue is the combination of the setting and type of show.I understand where he is coming from but this outcome was expected. He says there's a bigger audience for old school Star Trek but I highly doubt that.
The problem with this assertion, is it's just assumed to be true because nobodies making that kind of show (except for the Orville, which was pretty much critically panned but was still getting decent ratings).
If you want darker, violent, highly serialized scifi there's literally dozens of options available to watch and stream right now.
And stuff like WestWorld is waaaaaaaaaay fucking better than Picard is.
You can see episodic TV still exists and is still successful in other genres - shit, the procedural has this down to a fine art by now with your mid season and whole season arcs but syndication friendly episodic format - and there's still a spread in tone between like, a Criminal Minds, an SVU or a Lethal Weapon.
What Star Trek had was a unique selling point; it had its own niche. What it is now is directly competing with your Expanses and your WestWorlds, and frankly, it needs to seriously up its writing game if it wants people to buy a CBS sub over an Amazon or HBO.
stuff like WestWorld is waaaaaaaaaay fucking better than Picard is.I really hate Picard, but let's not go wild :cenk
I like Q
I like Q
this goes in the hungrynoob thread
So what are our hopes for the planned Section 31 show? For me, I want the actions of their lead protagonist(s) to be fatalist and grimy (kind of like how Vic Mackey does his job, but with less selfishness), but tonally contrasted by constantly presenting us the utopian veneer of Starfleet and the Federation. Things like brutal assassinations of diplomats and their families against propaganda level backdrops of Starfleet as benevolent caretakers, research into biological warfare to be used against allied races like the Vulcans and Klingons, in the event they become “existential threats” to the good of the Federation. Shit like that.
Thread merges and closing threads like the skyler one because someone doesn’t like them, this place is a fucking prison on planet bullshit! :rage. All mods are cops
But they've now announced that the new Captain Pike series is going to be lighter in tone and more episodic, so I dunno if fling shit at wall and hope it sticks is an ongoing strategy as they churn through showrunners and keep announcing new spin offs, if the direction they've taken with discovery and Picard is actually generating business and CBS subs and validating their strategy, or if their continuing resistance to giving the fans what they've been clamouring for actually does just boil down to
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:idont
Who is the massive fa.ggot that merged my thread with this thread?
https://www.startrek.com/news/the-humbling-of-admiral-picard
Mother Fuck this show and anybody who worked on it.spoiler (click to show/hide)And anybody who likes it.[close]
While TNG positioned Captain Picard as an ally to marginalized groups, from Klingons to androids, Picard challenges him to check the privilege he’s enjoyed through various series as an able-bodied male Earthling of elevated Starfleet rank.
When Patrick Stewart started talking about Brexit in promotional material I knew we were in for some pain
When Patrick Stewart started talking about Brexit in promotional material I knew we were in for some pain
How come? A lot of the best Trek episodes are analogies for modern problems.
recent history, every show I've watched that's put our modern boogaloo shithole in their promo material instead of promoting how strong the writing is or such has usually been a preemptive shield against criticism. Picard is no differentWhen Patrick Stewart started talking about Brexit in promotional material I knew we were in for some pain
How come? A lot of the best Trek episodes are analogies for modern problems.
When Patrick Stewart started talking about Brexit in promotional material I knew we were in for some pain
How come? A lot of the best Trek episodes are analogies for modern problems.
Star Trek has always been progressive and tackled controversial real world issues. But Picard has the inherent flaw of both not understanding the Star Trek universe and the general hopefulness for the future that it has, and handling social issues with all the subtlety of a rabid Targ.
honest question, what in Picard had anything to do with Brexit?
honest question, what in Picard had anything to do with Brexit?I don't even know, nor do I care the show was bad. From where I stand they just used trump and brexit to distract from what they probably knew will be a poorly received show.
my question was for Momo who said Star Trek tackling Brexit - a modern issue - was inherently bad. I'm not talking about Picard's handling of it. I'm talking about Momo finding fault in real world issues placed in Trek
Trek has ALWAYS put progressive issues at the forefront and showed a spotlight in a futuristic analogy to modern problems. Always.
So now, as they support things like Brexit, they're personally attacked. Now, this isn't the case for every critic. But it is for a lot of them. Politics and Trek mingle like peas and carrots.
Again, you're talking about what's in Picard.
It's actually kinda nuts if you think about it, Patrick Stewart out there saying Star Trek can't be optimistic anymore because we live in a post brexit world. Like the 90s and the countless horrific civil wars was any better? Prolly was for him cause that shit happened somewhere else lmao
I was a pretty politically active teenager when TNG was on the air, I watched it with my super conservative father, who also loved the show. The writing in these new shows (the new Twilight Zone is the same) treats the source material as secondary to the "message" when it should be the other way around.
I posted that comment mostly in jest. Like we saw with Nacho, us Star Trek fans are always angry about something and lose sight of the ultimate truth: at least it’s not Star Wars.Who is the massive fa.ggot that merged my thread with this thread?
Your entire thread wasn't merged with this one. Just the few posts made today. I thought Tuckers Law bumped the wrong thread and figured I'd help. APOLOGIES FOR SUCH A MASSIVE ABUSE OF POWER AND DISRUPTION. ::)
What the fuck is with the hostility in this thread?
You're not even reading anyone's posts Cindi
You can tell a story while respecting lore, everyone is saying new Star Trek is so obsessed by making their points that they have to throw out lore to do so. I'm not sure what you didn't understand, but I am sure you aren't reading anyone's posts to try and understand what they are saying and just doing so in order to further whatever it is you're doing here. So goodday, I can't be arsed
I was a pretty politically active teenager when TNG was on the air, I watched it with my super conservative father, who also loved the show. The writing in these new shows (the new Twilight Zone is the same) treats the source material as secondary to the "message" when it should be the other way around.
That's fair. But Trek never treated message as secondary.
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Trek was never subtle.
Do you mind expounding? I mean, there's an entire analogy to Palestine and Israel in TNG/DS9.
Shosta, you might want to back out because of spoilers now.
What was the contemporary political analogue that Picard handled?
Throw out the concept that humanity has evolved into a more utopian society in a post-scarcity universe, and make them racist assholes?
But then the actual nazi-analogues who are the victims of the racist assholes are still even worse, and sort of brought all that shit on themselves anyway, making the racist assholes sort of justified?
I was a pretty politically active teenager when TNG was on the air, I watched it with my super conservative father, who also loved the show. The writing in these new shows (the new Twilight Zone is the same) treats the source material as secondary to the "message" when it should be the other way around.
That's fair. But Trek never treated message as secondary.
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Trek was never subtle.
Do you mind expounding? I mean, there's an entire analogy to Palestine and Israel in TNG/DS9.
Shosta, you might want to back out because of spoilers now.
That DS9 episode still respects the source material over the message. It talks about the hardships, the struggles of the past within the Star Trek timeline, and the optimism of a future that has moved past those hardships. It doesn't treat Sisco as a victim, it shows how far humans have come as a species. Star Trek has moved from "shit was hard, but we're better now and we want to show you how we deal with these ancient issues as an enlightened species" to "shit is hard NOW, and look how much we suffer for it, please suffer with us".
"But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
Still: Star Trek is and has always had both subtle and overt messaging in its stories, and I’m okay with it as long as they’re trying to say something about “us”, even if it’s hamfisted.
I'm not the one saying that Picard even had political analogies. I'm not the one saying political message overtook the lore of Star Trek or that Patrick Stewart talking about Brexit meant that the show was going to suck.
They've made the claim politics and message is overcoming the story. They're the ones saying injecting politics into Trek is bad. I'm just going with what they're saying. I never made any claims about Picard's political analogies at all.
That's other people. This entire time all I've done is counter that Trek injecting politics isn't inherently bad because it's something its always done. That's their argument. I'm refuting their argument.
I'm not the one saying that Picard even had political analogies. I'm not the one saying political message overtook the lore of Star Trek or that Patrick Stewart talking about Brexit meant that the show was going to suck.
They've made the claim politics and message is overcoming the story. They're the ones saying injecting politics into Trek is bad. I'm just going with what they're saying. I never made any claims about Picard's political analogies at all.
That's other people. This entire time all I've done is counter that Trek injecting politics isn't inherently bad because it's something its always done. That's their argument. I'm refuting their argument.
But that just begs the question, if you have nothing political to say and no analogous insights to make, why would you imply what you have created does exactly that before release?
Fucking love Quark :rejoiceQuote"But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
I agree that most shows/movies where the pre-hype media involves talking about hot button political issues instead of the show itself regardless of if the show touches or doesn't touch said issues usually aren't high quality in the end. That's not exactly the same thing as "media that uses current issues analogues are always bad", but they do tend to intertwine a lot.
Fucking love Quark :rejoiceQuote"But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time, and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people will become as nasty and violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon."
Continue, the Star Trek wars do
Mmm.
This is where I step in and defend Picard's politics and say that, yes, it does have something political to say. I'm not quite sure how Romulans hunting Synths because of what they are and killing them or Federation abandoning Romulans because of political pressure isn't political. Or that the show has no message at all.
It's funny you're arguing it's not stating these messages while others are saying these messages are too overt.
Quite a contradiction. Which is it?
Mmm.
This is where I step in and defend Picard's politics and say that, yes, it does have something political to say. I'm not quite sure how Romulans hunting Synths because of what they are and killing them or Federation abandoning Romulans because of political pressure isn't political. Or that the show has no message at all.
It's funny you're arguing it's not stating these messages while others are saying these messages are too overt.
Quite a contradiction. Which is it?
Well I was asking you what the message was for multiple posts and this is the closest you've come to answering that instead of just saying "but I didn't say they did!".
Fact Check: I'm liking everything I can that will annoy you because you still refuse to actually read anything I posted.
Off to mandark world for you :nope
I find most of the critiques of Picard's politics in the Federation are almost all flawed. They're so bad. Arguments like,"Federation would never be that xenophobic". A big flaw Picard makes is not referencing the Dominion War and its effects on post-war Federation. After the Cardassian border conflict, Dominion, shape shifter sabotage I think it would be fairly realistic for the Federation to grow more xenophobic after that war. The problem is that Michael Chabon and ilk said they didn't want new viewers to to get too wrapped up in lore. Big mistake. But I understand the reasoning and why the Federation is like this.
You say Picard makes no modern political analogies but I find the western world growing more xenophobic. This is directly in Picard. So the idea that Picard has no political relevance or commentary is baffling to me.
:idont
Who is the massive fa.ggot that merged my thread with this thread?
Your entire thread wasn't merged with this one. Just the few posts made today. I thought Tuckers Law bumped the wrong thread and figured I'd help. APOLOGIES FOR SUCH A MASSIVE ABUSE OF POWER AND DISRUPTION. ::)
What the fuck is with the hostility in this thread?
I find most of the critiques of Picard's politics in the Federation are almost all flawed. They're so bad. Arguments like,"Federation would never be that xenophobic". A big flaw Picard makes is not referencing the Dominion War and its effects on post-war Federation. After the Cardassian border conflict, Dominion, shape shifter sabotage I think it would be fairly realistic for the Federation to grow more xenophobic after that war. The problem is that Michael Chabon and ilk said they didn't want new viewers to to get too wrapped up in lore. Big mistake. But I understand the reasoning and why the Federation is like this.
You say Picard makes no modern political analogies but I find the western world growing more xenophobic. This is directly in Picard. So the idea that Picard has no political relevance or commentary is baffling to me.
:idont
But it's not like DS9 ended with the federation saying "nah, FUCK cardassia, collaborating assholes".
Mmm.
This is where I step in and defend Picard's politics and say that, yes, it does have something political to say. I'm not quite sure how Romulans hunting Synths because of what they are and killing them or Federation abandoning Romulans because of political pressure isn't political. Or that the show has no message at all.
It's funny you're arguing it's not stating these messages while others are saying these messages are too overt.
Quite a contradiction. Which is it?
Well I was asking you what the message was for multiple posts and this is the closest you've come to answering that instead of just saying "but I didn't say they did!".
We were arguing two different things at first. Then what we argued just intertwined.
I find most of the critiques of Picard's politics in the Federation are almost all flawed. They're so bad. Arguments like,"Federation would never be that xenophobic". A big flaw Picard makes is not referencing the Dominion War and its effects on post-war Federation. After the Cardassian border conflict, Dominion, shape shifter sabotage I think it would be fairly realistic for the Federation to grow more xenophobic after that war. The problem is that Michael Chabon and ilk said they didn't want new viewers to to get too wrapped up in lore. Big mistake. But I understand the reasoning and why the Federation is like this.
You say Picard makes no modern political analogies but I find the western world growing more xenophobic. This is directly in Picard. So the idea that Picard has no political relevance or commentary is baffling to me.
:idont
This makes no sense at all to me, the new viewers audience for Picard has to be under 5%. A nostalgia revival/spin off/continuation but you're more worried about the tiny fraction of viewers who have never seen Star Trek shows than the audience the show actually appeals to? :what
Is this an American thing? That because you see America getting more xenophobic that means the world is?
This is a very bad point to make.
Trekkies are so jaded now that they are they completely unwilling to give new shows a chance despite everyone knowing that every single first (and second) season of Trek (sans TOS) is flawed af.
This is a very hilarious point to make especially during a European refugee crisis.
Real talk: when we gonna get Nic Cage as Starfleet captain? Can you imagine?
Europe is so racist that we send our own naval ships to save drowning refugees scammed by Turkish smugglers and Somali pirates to cross over to Europe on a raft and provide them with food, shelter, welfare benefits and if fleeing from war a permanent invitation to stay and start a new life.
You know, just like Picard.
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If Picard wanted to do Brexit and Trump they shouldn't have made space Hillary Clinton the one to yell at Patrick Stewart about his fucking hubris.
:mindblown the fuck happened here
Europe is so racist that we send our own naval ships to save drowning refugees scammed by Turkish smugglers and Somali pirates to cross over to Europe on a raft and provide them with food, shelter, welfare benefits and if fleeing from war a permanent invitation to stay and start a new life.
You know, just like Picard.
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If Picard wanted to do Brexit and Trump they shouldn't have made space Hillary Clinton the one to yell at Patrick Stewart about his fucking hubris.
Nah man Europe is racist so Star Trek has to be as well!
How dare you criticize a show thats only been on for one season?
you fucking racists never even gave it a chance!
Leave Kurtzman Alone!
So, I just watched the first episode of Picard. When Dahj came to Picard, my first thought was that she was supposed to be Lal.
Heh.
Anyway, ignoring the nonsensical explanation how some of Data had survived and could be "cloned", I didn't hate it.
Seems like an ok continuation of Nemesis (which was the most awful Trek I had ever seen up to that point).
Back when Data "died" in Nemesis, I fully expected another Spock moment in the next movie, when we would learn he successfully transferred his consciousness to B4. Of course that never happened because Nemesis bombed just as badly as it deserved to, so there never was a sequel until now.
Should I quit while I'm ahead?
if Best of Both Worlds part 1 was the first episode of the season, and it stretched out for 14 more of Picard as Locutus tearing through the beta quadrant towards earth, while Riker and Shelby bicker the whole time about the best solution. what if Past tense was 10 episodes of Sisko and Bashir stuck in the sanctuary zone having to fight for scraps, while the complacency of the upper class is laid bare in Dax's story, and Kira and O'Brien become increasingly desperate to locate them while running low on resources and dealing with whatever dominant power exists in that timeline. consider Yesterday's Enterprise, The Drumhead, Hard Time, or For the Uniform stretched out with active consequences and repercussions as opposed to just being one and done. Voyager was going to have Year of Hell be an entire season, but then tptb decided it would be better as two episodes that ended with a reset button.
You have defended him by saying this show is worth a damn, or that the writing is good. Which honestly is pretty laughable.
Should I quit while I'm ahead?Personally I hated it, but watch it until such a point you don't want to anymore and if that point never comes, great! Not sure if you're into trek before, but the opinions in this thread mostly come from a deep history with the show, I imagine most normies would find the show meh - ok.
Saying the show that takes three or four episodes just for the cast to get to outer space, is too break neck and too pew pew.
Anyways, let's actually discuss the show.
Episode 6 was fantastic.
The reunion with Hugh, the Borg reclamation project scenes were the most positive Trek in DECADES, the tension and build up to Soji's dream. I like all of the characters and how it's a show about the struggle to find good in a harsh universe. I love this show and I'm excited as FUCK for the next episode.
It also looked like Soji's father looked sort of like Bashir. I'll be giddy if that's the case.
"These aren't monsters, they're victims."
:bow
RLM complainers: WHEN IS IT GOING TO BE POSITIVE TREK AGAIN reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Also reusing the old Hugh actor :hyper
And this week we get to see Riker and Troi :hyper
Should I quit while I'm ahead?
Furthermore, as someone wrote in a reddit post today, most struggle with the differences in format between classic Trek and Picard. Classic Trek is episodic; Picard is long form serialization.
A massive flaw with old Trek is that serious things happen and it's never followed up upon. If Star Trek TNG were made today and the MAIN CHARACTER becomes a bad guy do you honestly think the show wouldn't go in a dark place after the fact? In TNG after Lotocus, you've got the episode Family, where Picard goes to his home to heal from his experiences, and then his experiences as a mass murderer (although programmed by the Borg) are conveniently swept under the rug the rest of the franchise, a few mentions (DS9 ep1 and First Contact notwithstanding).
uptight fucking cunt:jeanluc :iface
distinguished mentally-challenged fellow
get that sand out of your cunt
you nasty bitch
Bitch
Because u are delusional.
u are a grade a chipolata cunt
Are we really gonna have to start banning people because of Star Trek again? :notlikethis
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
She started with the insults over a tv show fuck her
She started with the insults over a tv show fuck her
Fuck her? FUCK YOUUUUUUUU
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile. So you can stop memeing over declaring your love for a place that is shitty in its own right. This thread is a perfect example of it and there are plenty of others. Just saying. Just enjoy the downward spiral.
This forum is what you make it by who you interact with and how
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile. So you can stop memeing over declaring your love for a place that is shitty in its own right. This thread is a perfect example of it and there are plenty of others. Just saying. Just enjoy the downward spiral.
I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but I'm just tired of the negativity (happening everywhere) and am done with it. Don't need that crap and will stay positive.
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile. So you can stop memeing over declaring your love for a place that is shitty in its own right. This thread is a perfect example of it and there are plenty of others. Just saying. Just enjoy the downward spiral.
I don't know if this is what you're referring to, but I'm just tired of the negativity (happening everywhere) and am done with it. Don't need that crap and will stay positive.
I've stated my opinion on the board many times and the direction I think it has gone in the last couple of years so I won't rehash it. It is what it is. And I don't envy any of the mods. Outside of a few threads I don't really enjoy posting on the board. Maybe the gaming side is better at this point. Which is pretty crazy considering most of the entrenched fandom wars use to be on that side.
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile.
This forum is what you make it by who you interact with and how
It's time for the negativity and shit posting* to stop. We all have enough problems in real life as it is.
*Other forums thread doesn't count :P
This forum is what you make it by who you interact with and how
It's time for the negativity and shit posting* to stop. We all have enough problems in real life as it is.
*Other forums thread doesn't count :P
Just delete it, dummy. Respectable posters don’t go there :snob
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile.
:social2 Let's not get carried away.
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile.
:social2 Let's not get carried away.
I'll absolutely go there. I'd rather post there than here a million times over for various reasons. But you are of course entitled to your opinion. I see the same agenda posting bullshit over there that I see here. We are zero percent better and often worse.
It has its place — false
It stays quarantined — also false
Categorically untrue, my dude. All the shittiest posters on this board have been people drawn in by that shit show and then spilling over. You just like posting in there. People gonna be reee and leave if you delete, of course. That’s the point
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile.
:social2 Let's not get carried away.
I'll absolutely go there. I'd rather post there than here a million times over for various reasons. But you are of course entitled to your opinion. I see the same agenda posting bullshit over there that I see here. We are zero percent better and often worse.
Anyway, I’m starting Picard today. I’m sure to have some opinions that will make half of you upsetSign off every post with a picture of Necar Zadegan and no one will be upset :noah
feelings got hurt on a message board we might as well be ResetEra posters
Board is worse than that forum. Has been for quite awhile.
:social2 Let's not get carried away.
I'll absolutely go there. I'd rather post there than here a million times over for various reasons. But you are of course entitled to your opinion. I see the same agenda posting bullshit over there that I see here. We are zero percent better and often worse.
Even in a hypothetical situation where The Bore and RE are equally negative, just by sheer volume this place is more manageable and more enjoyable to post on. And yes, gaming side is fine.
Also, this place is better off than it was during the Dark Times 2-3 years ago. It goes up and down. But I have a RE account and I've lurked RE and there is no comparison. I know where I'd rather have a discussion.
Where did RLM touch you?
I swear to watch Picard today and add Star Trek content within the week:bolo
Rebooting the thread won't help bork, the words may disappear but these feels will stay. I don't have an answer either, for me personally I just disengage when I can tell shit's about to get hairy, I had a lovely arguement with Stoney the other day and I felt it ended okay, kinda bums me out to see how mad/sad everyone is tbh :fbm
Federation diplomacy requires compliance, Ferengi diplomacy only needs the will to make profit :quarkRebooting the thread won't help bork, the words may disappear but these feels will stay. I don't have an answer either, for me personally I just disengage when I can tell shit's about to get hairy, I had a lovely arguement with Stoney the other day and I felt it ended okay, kinda bums me out to see how mad/sad everyone is tbh :fbm
The answer is "talk about Star Trek and debating is OK, but stop shitting on each other for having differing opinions." Be like the federation and do it diplomatically or whatever. Sorry, I don't know enough about Trek for this.
I think a new thread with the following rules would be fine:
- No RLM discussion (can be touched on, but I'm fine with RLM videos being in the RLM thread, clearly it's become a distraction no matter how you feel about them)
- No personal attacks or saying shit like "You're an idiot if you like X"
For the latter, it's less about censorship of free speech and more that everyone has trotted that line out at least four different times in support of their "argument" except it doesn't support any argument and I'm sick of reading it.
I think this board could support a healthy Star Trek discussion and it wouldn't take much, just people not acting like fucking howler monkeys flinging shit at each other basically.
Cindi was on the right track with her separate thread. If it was allowed to stay separate and was retitled instead of merged, this mess would have been avoided.
I think a new thread with the following rules would be fine:
- No RLM discussion (can be touched on, but I'm fine with RLM videos being in the RLM thread, clearly it's become a distraction no matter how you feel about them)
- No personal attacks or saying shit like "You're an idiot if you like X"
For the latter, it's less about censorship of free speech and more that everyone has trotted that line out at least four different times in support of their "argument" except it doesn't support any argument and I'm sick of reading it.
I think this board could support a healthy Star Trek discussion and it wouldn't take much, just people not acting like fucking howler monkeys flinging shit at each other basically.
Cindi was on the right track with her separate thread. If it was allowed to stay separate and was retitled instead of merged, this mess would have been avoided.
I'm not allowed to have a separate thread because constant modding.
Can't have it both ways. We have people completely at odds with each other so I make a new Star Trek thread. It gets posts. Mod moves those goddamn posts and FORCES us to interact, when we all know we are volatile. THANKS MODS.
Also thanks bork for snitching on MMrasu. Now we know why mods are suddenly in this thread. It's because you're a PUSSY THAT REPORTS.
reading through the last few pages is making me regret ever submitting post on this thread :deadI actually read the first few pages of this thread yesterday, thread was banging back then :ryker
Also thanks bork for snitching on MMrasu. Now we know why mods are suddenly in this thread. It's because you're a PUSSY THAT REPORTS.I reported him :klob :biden